Speaker 1: R and B Money. Well, take val we are the
Speaker 1: authority on all things R and B. What's going on,
Speaker 1: ladies and gentlemen, I am tanking, Valentine, and this is
Speaker 1: the R and B Money podcast. Is the authority what
Speaker 1: athority when they go to the high boy on all
Speaker 1: things R and B in the building today to day.
Speaker 1: This is a real family member. This is a real
Speaker 1: little brother. Really taps in with the army, really taps
Speaker 1: in with the R and B nuances. He's a finisher. Um,
Speaker 1: he's a super producer, super super producer. Also in our teeth.
Speaker 1: There are very few people that are who sensitive about
Speaker 1: the sensitive about this ship. Ladies and gentlemen, our little
Speaker 1: brother in the building, give it up a coat Signmano
Speaker 1: Felsio sad Well you know the lord I see by
Speaker 1: the Miami right that. Yeah, come R and B sexy five,
Speaker 1: you know, sexy sexy bo bos All, blooding glass. Valentino. No, no, no, no, no, no,
Speaker 1: I'm like okay, no, y'all, Niggs, come on back, real
Speaker 1: is back on end Um. First of all, man, thank
Speaker 1: you brother for pulling up. Man. This is a necessity. Um,
Speaker 1: you know it wasn't a matter of if just a
Speaker 1: matter of when we get the we get the bro hand.
Speaker 1: What what I tried to do was to not be
Speaker 1: too thirsty. Right as soon as I've seen it, it
Speaker 1: was like it was like coast, calm down, gotta get
Speaker 1: Jamie out the way, coast overwhere? So what you think
Speaker 1: you're thinking next week? Like what you're thinking? Like, tell
Speaker 1: me exactly the time the time front. Yeah, I had
Speaker 1: had the real and back. Not be so thirsty. Let
Speaker 1: it happen and shout out to my sister who you know.
Speaker 1: She saw a couple of guests and it was like, Okay,
Speaker 1: it's time now they he told you, they didn't got
Speaker 1: She's telling me who he got? Eric been on there,
Speaker 1: I've seen hit make on. It's time. It's time that
Speaker 1: you called take yet and then sent me pages of
Speaker 1: talking boards shout out tonight, my sister not. I rocked
Speaker 1: with that. She told me down. She's a huge fan
Speaker 1: of the podcast. Huge what's her favorite episode? I think
Speaker 1: her favorite is Steve Mackie. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: I think she just loved the insight, you know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying? And great, yeah, yeah, but with you brothers, man,
Speaker 1: I gotta give your brothers y'all flowers to first because
Speaker 1: being an l a transplant. You know what I'm saying,
Speaker 1: It's all about choosing your friends wisely. And the divine
Speaker 1: brotherhood council that has come from both of y'all down
Speaker 1: through the years has been clutched, you know what I'm saying,
Speaker 1: because historically I've been a wild cowboy, you know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying, and sometimes sometimes unassuming, but a wild cowboy,
Speaker 1: especially when I think about my brother Jay Man demand
Speaker 1: didn't talk me off the ledge so many times. Man.
Speaker 1: And then when I think about then Rique Dragon here,
Speaker 1: when I wanted to get out there as an artist,
Speaker 1: the encouragement to let it fly, let it fly, let
Speaker 1: it fly, man, you know, wanted you to be the
Speaker 1: dragon uninhibited. Man. They got a new show about you
Speaker 1: now d House of Dragons too. May or may not
Speaker 1: be a ghost writer on that show. You know what,
Speaker 1: They got Black dragons bag real dragons again. But now
Speaker 1: I just wanted to put that on record, and just
Speaker 1: I said, I appreciate you brothers, man, because man, you know,
Speaker 1: even y'all showing up to the wind, thank you singing man. Man.
Speaker 1: I could go on all day, you know, yeah, I
Speaker 1: know I get more than thing I was thinking about,
Speaker 1: like trying to figure out some type of invoice for
Speaker 1: for what I ended up having to do. You had
Speaker 1: to wing it. We have some some technical difficulty. It
Speaker 1: was technical difficult. People didn't show up, man, Like, So
Speaker 1: where's the DJ? What DJ chords was missing? J that's
Speaker 1: supposed to do? You think you can? You know what?
Speaker 1: For my brother? I absolutely can. What's the going out song? Oh?
Speaker 1: You don't have them? Alright? Cool? Give me the microphone again.
Speaker 1: Do the thing. We'll figure it out. You know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying. I had to usher the people into you
Speaker 1: know that, did you usher? But then you gave him
Speaker 1: a few bars walking in which was always played in Chicagoy.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying, people walking back. I feel
Speaker 1: like he gave Jeff a few months and snacks, snacks
Speaker 1: and snacks. Don't nobody's singing snacks but me. You know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying, yo. And it's so funny because listening
Speaker 1: to my family prepared to come to l A for
Speaker 1: the first time, right, it's a lot of Panamlians that
Speaker 1: came to Los Angeles for the first time, and they like,
Speaker 1: you know, we have to get ready to dress like
Speaker 1: potato salad because this is our really celebrity wedding mardical.
Speaker 1: We're coming and this is that really celebrity. We're ready.
Speaker 1: So it's just like, guys, you gotta dress like oh yeah,
Speaker 1: you know that's slay. That's Panamanian slang right there. Man,
Speaker 1: what does that mean? I mean you fly if you
Speaker 1: dress like salad? Oh man, you like, yeah salad. We
Speaker 1: wouldn't come dressed like slid modicle. I'm like, okay, I'm
Speaker 1: to use that. You know. I think I'm gonna let
Speaker 1: your have I'm gonna let your guy man what you
Speaker 1: have on. You know, I had to potato salad, you
Speaker 1: know that I had with the freshly cut, hard boiled
Speaker 1: eggs on top of a little little Papa Rika has said,
Speaker 1: you see where you're gonna go. Wait, he'll turn into
Speaker 1: a full song all right, man, um your family to us.
Speaker 1: But that's not how we rock. Um. We want to
Speaker 1: we want to dig into the beginning of of co sign.
Speaker 1: We want to dig into the beginning of modicles, the
Speaker 1: beginning of the modic, the beginning like where was the
Speaker 1: day in time where you either made the decision that
Speaker 1: this is what I want to do or somebody told you, hey,
Speaker 1: this is what you should be doing. Mm hmm. And
Speaker 1: and to add to that, to give you some more
Speaker 1: talking talking space, what was your influence to even get
Speaker 1: to the dang man? I gotta say the influence. Man,
Speaker 1: I got made fun of for this, bro. I got
Speaker 1: made fun of in high school for this man, I
Speaker 1: mean know in college. Uh. Well, first, it's all credit
Speaker 1: to my mom, the late bed a Lie Celestine Johnson.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying, man, little salute man. We
Speaker 1: definitely moms held it down for real. Um, single black mother,
Speaker 1: west side of Chicago, Maywood, brav you to be specific. Um,
Speaker 1: originally from Panama and my main't play no games. You
Speaker 1: know what I'm not gonna do is lose my son
Speaker 1: to gang violence. Um, I won't raise a disrespectful child.
Speaker 1: And she just really instilled education and practice. Those were
Speaker 1: like cornerstone. So so was she a musician? Wasn't a musician?
Speaker 1: My grandfather used to sing solos in church, you know, pops,
Speaker 1: he's originally from Jamaica. We call him uh and um.
Speaker 1: But it was just like the way I can I
Speaker 1: can protect my child is to always keep him busy.
Speaker 1: So it was saxophone, it was piano, it was baseball, basketball,
Speaker 1: it was gone too, right, which is Panamanian dance class
Speaker 1: on the weekend, they have Panamanian class in Chicago. What
Speaker 1: the name of the club was called? On my peck right?
Speaker 1: And I used to be have to be in parades
Speaker 1: like I used to be my mom, Mom, You're gonna
Speaker 1: they're gonna beat me up there if I'm doing like
Speaker 1: you was doing car involved in Chicago. What you hear
Speaker 1: that music? Come on fifth the fifth there behind your
Speaker 1: back on the Yeah, yeah, what what you wanna do?
Speaker 1: They want to go? You want to go party? Right now?
Speaker 1: It was a little club called the Fuego Fuego, I
Speaker 1: know what that means. It's on fire, yeah, okay. And
Speaker 1: I remember being at them parties, man, and it might
Speaker 1: be like twelve one am and the kids section we'd
Speaker 1: already did our dad, so that we're just on the side,
Speaker 1: sleep tired, and it's just really your Southland going on.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying that you see pants with
Speaker 1: the sides opening me my, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: It just like yeah, bro, So she really was big
Speaker 1: on the culture. You will know about your panaman your
Speaker 1: roots um and be well rounded as well. In eighth grade,
Speaker 1: I started playing the drums at church. I was the
Speaker 1: third string drummer. You know what I'm saying. Happened so
Speaker 1: so you got man like like sports. Yeah, absolutely, you
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying, and really use the backup, backup
Speaker 1: drummer like th quarterbacks. So you got the sanctuary choir,
Speaker 1: the youth choir, and then when the kids quire come
Speaker 1: up goes they'd be like, oh, all these blessings come
Speaker 1: from God. It's either it's either it's either the junior
Speaker 1: choir or before before the praising worship was a big
Speaker 1: thing as it is right now. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: You would do like the beginning of service. You know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. That's what the third string guy was.
Speaker 1: But one service started getting serious, then the guys off.
Speaker 1: Everybody here, Okay, buddy, come on, buddy, come on now.
Speaker 1: The best part was when the lead drummer uh and
Speaker 1: the second drumming is And this only happened a few
Speaker 1: times in the lead second they ain't there. Now baby,
Speaker 1: you get play for the for the big choiring off
Speaker 1: beating loud. You see the quiet director. Just I'm trying
Speaker 1: to find it grade eighth grade. I'm thirteen thirteen this time,
Speaker 1: and so yeah, I'm playing sacks, I'm playing drums and
Speaker 1: playing keys. And then high school was like all of
Speaker 1: them kind of coming together. I was I was rapping.
Speaker 1: I was in an R and B group and we
Speaker 1: had no lead singer. What y'all saying? Union? I think
Speaker 1: the group probably only lasts about ninety days, okay, because
Speaker 1: it was one guy that just every week was just
Speaker 1: selling wolf tickets is what we call them. And it's like, yeah,
Speaker 1: we're gonna be shooting a video. We gotta we gotta
Speaker 1: auditions for the video. Girls coming. He was in the
Speaker 1: group where he was the man in the group, and
Speaker 1: oh but he was managing too though he was selling
Speaker 1: y'all wolf tickets. Yeah, selling us the wolf tickets. None
Speaker 1: of the things that he ever talked about ever came
Speaker 1: in the group. What you're selling the wolf ticket? And
Speaker 1: it was just just another nis just like everybody now
Speaker 1: here in the group and kind of and kind of
Speaker 1: is claiming lead singer. But I can't give him that
Speaker 1: because you can't see none of us, none of us
Speaker 1: get really, you know, I'm trying to be noticing. I'm
Speaker 1: trying to be you know, Cosavante in the group. You
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying, producer in the back, and so yeah,
Speaker 1: that I was a disaster, but it was shots up.
Speaker 1: All of this stuff was just getting shots up. I
Speaker 1: went to a Catholic all boy high school, same school
Speaker 1: at the Isaiah Thomas went to St. Joe's. Evan Turner
Speaker 1: as well, and uh Man, I played in the Lassalian Instrumentalists.
Speaker 1: I want the Louis B. Armstrong Jazz Award. So I
Speaker 1: was cutting up man, I was playing at youth services,
Speaker 1: starting to get a little little is all for you?
Speaker 1: Just being a purist in terms of just being a
Speaker 1: musician and just loving it and just doing I'm having
Speaker 1: a good time. What I noticed was rapping. I wasn't
Speaker 1: a huge fan of the attention because Chicago they will
Speaker 1: fry you. The jokes that my friends have were so
Speaker 1: lead though that getting on that stage and the spotlight
Speaker 1: was a little hot. So it's like, how can I
Speaker 1: be close to it but not all the way into producer?
Speaker 1: And when I saw that, that made me just want
Speaker 1: to just know all of the different aspects about music,
Speaker 1: you know. And so so it was your mother, your
Speaker 1: first investor because obviously, as being a producer was for
Speaker 1: sure got to have equipment. My mama bought that PM
Speaker 1: for keyboard PEV. Yeah, so for the keyboard. Uh, I
Speaker 1: kind of just gotta just lead that off. How I
Speaker 1: got my first keyboard. That ain't nobody being, uh, what
Speaker 1: you want to tell us? You know what happened? You
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying that you have to sell, you
Speaker 1: have to sell something. I had to sell nothing, but
Speaker 1: you know I just laid something down to get it.
Speaker 1: I had to get a creative right to get that. Yamaham,
Speaker 1: you had seven to Yeah, yeah your shirt, I see
Speaker 1: your shirt. You did something? Yeah, did you get the
Speaker 1: way to get I got the seven? I got to seven.
Speaker 1: But it was crazy because I remember my mom being like, Michael,
Speaker 1: how did you get that? And I had to tell
Speaker 1: one of my homies to say that he bought it
Speaker 1: from me. You know what I'm saying, like like my mama,
Speaker 1: because I was like, I was one of the guys
Speaker 1: in the group, was a producer, and so I told mom.
Speaker 1: I was like, mom, he got a deal. And because
Speaker 1: I've been spending that time in the studio with him,
Speaker 1: he just got me my own keyboard. So she was like,
Speaker 1: oh my, really, Michael, I have to I have to
Speaker 1: at least it call him so I can say thank
Speaker 1: you shot. So I had to finesse called him and
Speaker 1: say hey, act like you got me. Yeah, Mom about
Speaker 1: to call you can say thanks for the keyboard. This
Speaker 1: is senior year of high school. Make seventeen, senior year
Speaker 1: in high school? A little what did you do? Man?
Speaker 1: I can't talk about it. I mean, the statue of
Speaker 1: limitations is probably over. Probably over. Huh, you've grown out,
Speaker 1: go to jail for something you did from high school
Speaker 1: and high school. But but I but I gave back though.
Speaker 1: This is what I did. I gave back to the organization, organization.
Speaker 1: I get back to the organization that he took him for,
Speaker 1: the boys and Girls club. He's stolen church. Church, there's
Speaker 1: still the churches. Gave onout the church. But it was
Speaker 1: it was it was something I'm not because it's funny
Speaker 1: because I was talking to somebody and I was thinking
Speaker 1: about that, like wait, how did that? And I was like,
Speaker 1: oh my god, that was a one time in my
Speaker 1: life where I got active. Oh my god, I had
Speaker 1: to have it, had to. And and so I think
Speaker 1: about how sometimes in the past I've been judging on
Speaker 1: how people get to it, not really putting that mirror
Speaker 1: on myself and really looking at my story through a
Speaker 1: fine tooth comb, Like you have to do some hustling too, sir. Yeah.
Speaker 1: And I was like, alright, cool, I gotta relax. H Um. Yes,
Speaker 1: you kind of poked a hole in the kindom he's gonna.
Speaker 1: He's gonna do that throughout throughout the whole, just for yourself.
Speaker 1: This is before this, before he's gonna everybody. This is
Speaker 1: before we started getting up, started getting moisted, it slippery.
Speaker 1: But so you start making your first tracks that motif. Yeah.
Speaker 1: And then I got an MPC two thousand right after
Speaker 1: from a mentor of mine, got by the name of
Speaker 1: the Sick One. Um. And it's funny too, because I
Speaker 1: just knew he was gonna give it to me. It
Speaker 1: got a four thousand, and I was just like, oh,
Speaker 1: the two thouars of mine and he was like, not,
Speaker 1: it's a thousand, and I was like, sir, please, He's
Speaker 1: like nah. So that's when I started shouting to que
Speaker 1: biller Man as a guy west side q billing Man.
Speaker 1: He bought my first track. He bought three of them
Speaker 1: for two hundred dollars, six hundred dollars. I think my
Speaker 1: mama might have gave me the other Yeah, you know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. So three bats for two hundred dollars
Speaker 1: to Q Builing and man the rest was hitting once
Speaker 1: that MPC and that motif was together in that basement.
Speaker 1: Oh we are so listen before we before you can
Speaker 1: go any further, we have to take a shot. We're
Speaker 1: gonna take a shot, and this shot is too. Not
Speaker 1: disappointing the investors. Your mama, your mama, my daddy, this
Speaker 1: is just my my listen, my o G. Bill Haney,
Speaker 1: father of Devin Haney, world champion. This is his saying,
Speaker 1: do not disappoint the investors. Straight up. This is why
Speaker 1: we're This is why we're here. We did not disappoint
Speaker 1: the investors. Your mama gave you that extra poe, man,
Speaker 1: the extra poe like I used to drive my mama crazy. Yoh,
Speaker 1: like I would be as an only child. I'll be
Speaker 1: in my room. I remember one time I got out
Speaker 1: the shower and I supposed to put my clothes on
Speaker 1: and come outside to my family was in a living room.
Speaker 1: But it was like, ain't nothing stopping me from going
Speaker 1: to the NBA. And I had a little ram in
Speaker 1: my room. Wait just you just talked about a whole
Speaker 1: bunch of instruments and playing instruments and now you're jumping
Speaker 1: out of hoop dreams while it was life. So I
Speaker 1: was on my all start and they all started elementary
Speaker 1: school and so so at that young age, I remember that.
Speaker 1: I never forget that day. I came out the shower
Speaker 1: and said, I'm going to leave through my tower off
Speaker 1: and started training but ass necking in my room. Asshole
Speaker 1: going to funk off. And my cousin walked in the room.
Speaker 1: So like my cousin, I remember seeing her, like, yeah,
Speaker 1: my cousin, Jazz cousin. Y yes, I remember seeing her
Speaker 1: and I just instantly started tearing up because I knew
Speaker 1: she was gonna tell and I saw. I was like no, no, no,
Speaker 1: and she was like you you're playing basketball, but brow
Speaker 1: Marcus and my family called me Marcus markets here playing
Speaker 1: basketball next year. I'm oh, please, no to get so
Speaker 1: distracted and then get engulf you know what I'm saying,
Speaker 1: Get distracted and getting golf, man, that's worth in leon
Speaker 1: and above the basketball without the ball bro the only child.
Speaker 1: The only child life is so crazy because you're so lonely. Bro,
Speaker 1: You're so lonely, You're so in your head, and it's
Speaker 1: like you create this world of just like being by yourself,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. And you got your imaginary
Speaker 1: friends and the reasoning, you know what I'm saying, work
Speaker 1: Where your imaginary friends that you were whooping, were they
Speaker 1: naked to they were work. And then so my mom
Speaker 1: would hear me doing Goddos one in the room and
Speaker 1: shut it down. And that's when practiced being because she's
Speaker 1: just be like Monico, sit when the last time you
Speaker 1: practice piano, you're not jumping around. And we lived in
Speaker 1: an apartment, so you have people that would call the
Speaker 1: police and do all kind of wild ship because they
Speaker 1: heard and then you know, pick up piano or saxophone
Speaker 1: the next you know, two three hours ago by and
Speaker 1: I wouldn't even really think about it. And she was
Speaker 1: a head nurse of a dialysis unit a Loyola hospital
Speaker 1: and she would do her schedule. She always had to
Speaker 1: do that weekly schedule, so that was a good time
Speaker 1: for her to zone out and knock out the schedule
Speaker 1: for everybody practicing, you know, what I'm saying. And then
Speaker 1: the Disney movies came out, so I always had the
Speaker 1: play alongs to all the movie. So Steve Mackie was
Speaker 1: talking about doing the Disney movie. I was like, why
Speaker 1: can't I relate? I don't want to have to be
Speaker 1: able to relate to this. But I remember that I
Speaker 1: had my horn like dee do dee do do do
Speaker 1: do do? Just be like I said. That was the
Speaker 1: early years and her favorite uh for one of her
Speaker 1: favorite musicians was Kenny g So I'm in the in
Speaker 1: the crib. That was my style. Black women love Kenny.
Speaker 1: They love Kenny Ken, John b Yeah, what's the uh.
Speaker 1: Michael Bolton and Michael bow Yes, and Michael Bolton love
Speaker 1: at Michael bo So when I got to fam you
Speaker 1: and there's sixties freshman Michael McDonald, don't leave you. We
Speaker 1: will not leave out my movie. That's a very so
Speaker 1: oh my god. He was cold. He was cold in
Speaker 1: real life. Oh my god, Oh my goodness. So I
Speaker 1: used to So I was in a program called Upward
Speaker 1: Bound and that was the college prep local program at
Speaker 1: the community college Triton College. That it was for the poor,
Speaker 1: smart kids, right, and because my mama made too much
Speaker 1: money for me to be in the program. I never
Speaker 1: got stipends. They used to get stipends every week. But
Speaker 1: my cousin, she was in the program, and she her people,
Speaker 1: my uncle, they get put in a good word, threw
Speaker 1: me in there. It's just like, you can be here,
Speaker 1: but you can't get paid. Mama be cooking, yeah saying.
Speaker 1: And we used to do college tours all around. So
Speaker 1: I've seen Duke, and I really wanted to go to
Speaker 1: Duke for a second till I got there and it
Speaker 1: was like, oh, y'all tightened ass. I love a basketball team,
Speaker 1: but y'all live tighten ask. But what I'm looking for
Speaker 1: coming from St. Joe's, which is like Catholic all boy,
Speaker 1: you know, turned up, I need it. I need to
Speaker 1: be dipped in black again, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: I went to black from preschool to aid grade and
Speaker 1: then my high school is pretty diverse. But then there's like,
Speaker 1: I need black again, and so and I know, and
Speaker 1: I knew I needed music too, and he's like, well,
Speaker 1: you're talking about the best black band in the country.
Speaker 1: You're talking about family. You are you sure that's the best?
Speaker 1: A kick that off? Not because they don't want to smoke.
Speaker 1: I'm just asking. No, I'm just I'm just asking. I mean,
Speaker 1: because human juke pak No, I mean they're cute, They're cute,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. He was Sonic Boom or
Speaker 1: something like that, right, and look their dancer girls pristine. Hey,
Speaker 1: but when it comes to talk to sound talk to
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying, it's the Marching one hundred
Speaker 1: and so y'all who they made the movie of course,
Speaker 1: and our band would have been in the movie, but
Speaker 1: they wrote in the script that we lose and we
Speaker 1: don't lose. So fun that movie, you know what I'm saying. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that drumline what not in real life, but that's how
Speaker 1: our band director felt. You know what I'm saying, We
Speaker 1: don't lose, we don't lose. Script, You're not going to
Speaker 1: create that, no, you know, telling people that, no, no, no,
Speaker 1: that's not the energy that you're gonna put out about us,
Speaker 1: and that then they rewrote it and made it a tie,
Speaker 1: and it was like, oh yeah, think it's a game,
Speaker 1: and me being I'm like, god, I want to be
Speaker 1: the movie so bad, like band director please, when I
Speaker 1: was really so there were and there were a lot
Speaker 1: of players from our band. That's a couple one offs
Speaker 1: that they use, like the sticks. The actual nick cannon
Speaker 1: Hands in the band was one of our drummers and
Speaker 1: fans Hands was one of them, so they're still were
Speaker 1: And then I think they ended up using Southwestern Cow
Speaker 1: but their band director is from fam you you know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying, saxophone player too, So yeah, it was
Speaker 1: it was deep. It was really deep, and I really
Speaker 1: was happening because you're talking about two one so band
Speaker 1: is damn their gangs what and there's gangs inside of
Speaker 1: every section too. Yeah, absolutely, absolutely, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: So of course you got the white T shirt on crab,
Speaker 1: you know. And on top of being a crab, I
Speaker 1: was the weakest link out of sixty freshman saxophone players.
Speaker 1: And I'm just like, also, y'all didn't play football and
Speaker 1: basketball and had girlfriends and just played instruments. Y'all just
Speaker 1: really was about that. So that's where I learned about
Speaker 1: even practicing, Like coach, you don't practice for I didn't
Speaker 1: even I didn't even get a scholarship the first semester.
Speaker 1: My scholarship didn't happen until the second semester, so I
Speaker 1: really had to get my ship together. But it was
Speaker 1: a cultural for me because I just was the man
Speaker 1: at home. But then I get to fam and these
Speaker 1: guys are playing fly to the Bumblebee? Where I at?
Speaker 1: Where am I at? And I'm there's Nicki Minaje. Anaconda
Speaker 1: does not happen without fan bum Yeah you're still poor,
Speaker 1: but still we're still poor. But then I was a
Speaker 1: that was a forward flash of how that happens. Because
Speaker 1: I learned about arrangement, I learned about blend. You know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. I learned so much musicality just being there,
Speaker 1: being in the jazz man beating a symphonic man. You
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. Having a teacher say, yeah, you're
Speaker 1: playing saxophone, but I wanted to to hit me like
Speaker 1: a French horn. Yeah, you know what I'm saying. So
Speaker 1: that's a different mouthpiece as a different armiship is. It's
Speaker 1: the real training. I'm taking class piano, taking voice, I'm
Speaker 1: taking brass techniques. I was a music education major while
Speaker 1: I was at FAN to force semesters of theory with
Speaker 1: dr horn. So this is like damn the music rocket
Speaker 1: science yea and it's the best shot ever. And after
Speaker 1: my sophomore year, my mom gets diagnosed with cancer. After
Speaker 1: my freshman year, my mom gets diagnosed with cancer. After
Speaker 1: my sophomore year, my mom passed away from cancer. And
Speaker 1: that's when I moved back to Chicago from Tallahassee. And
Speaker 1: that was just such a crazy time because I never
Speaker 1: really wanted to go to college like that. College wasn't
Speaker 1: really my twist. I wanted to be a rock star,
Speaker 1: go to the league, or definitely not school. But that
Speaker 1: was my mom's first and last wish. She said, Marcos Monico.
Speaker 1: My job as a parent, it's done when you graduate college, Monica.
Speaker 1: And even though I won't be there with you in
Speaker 1: the physical, Monica, please this on her deathbed. These are
Speaker 1: last words. So I registered for Columbia College Chicago September nine,
Speaker 1: and my mom passed away September ten, and I remember
Speaker 1: reading her my schedule and that's how I know. She
Speaker 1: was like, all right, cool, he's registered for school. He
Speaker 1: going to school. I'm out. And three years later, I'm
Speaker 1: in my uh my counselor's office, and I'm like, I
Speaker 1: cannot believe I'm about to graduate. I can't believe it.
Speaker 1: And she was like, yeah, and it's crazy with you
Speaker 1: know this year being on Mother's Day. Wow. Three years later. Wow.
Speaker 1: I walked out the office, walked to the President's office
Speaker 1: for the first time in three years of being at Columbia.
Speaker 1: See the lady there, I say, ma'am, um, hey speak
Speaker 1: to the president. She said, the President's book through the summer.
Speaker 1: I said, well, you're about to watch me sleep on
Speaker 1: the floor in this office until I talk to him.
Speaker 1: And she had a headset on hispanic lady. I remember
Speaker 1: her taking her head set off, like, what you're not
Speaker 1: gonna do is sleep in the office. How can I
Speaker 1: help you? And I told her everything and she just
Speaker 1: so happened to be a single mother. Hispanic over still
Speaker 1: where I was coming from, and I said, I need
Speaker 1: to speak. I need to say something in graduation. I
Speaker 1: know I'm not the validatorian. She cried her eyes out,
Speaker 1: asked me to leave, made some calls to this day,
Speaker 1: I'm the only person to speak at Columbia College graduation
Speaker 1: not be the validatorian. I dedicated that degree to my mama.
Speaker 1: That was my first grammy. Come on, man, come on,
Speaker 1: my first grammy. Oh he's still flossed into that's my
Speaker 1: first Grammy. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah yeah. It's not a
Speaker 1: floss that I never want to gramm me. I got
Speaker 1: nine nominations. Oh you think no one? Yeah, I got
Speaker 1: nine nominations. I got nine nominations and a win people,
Speaker 1: Jennifer Hudson one. Therefore, I want you. Did you did
Speaker 1: R and B album up the year? Sure? We got
Speaker 1: damn grabbed. Then I'll show you the certificate. I could
Speaker 1: show you my driver's license to hate on it was hating.
Speaker 1: You got to change now though, they change the rule now,
Speaker 1: So now R and B album can get if you are,
Speaker 1: if you're a part of it, you can. That should
Speaker 1: be retroactive. Should that should be retroactive? Make the call,
Speaker 1: you know I am make the call. You can go
Speaker 1: right there next to the R and B money thing.
Speaker 1: Until then you don't respecting that's what you're doing. Cool,
Speaker 1: Jake bro At least you should. That's crazy. I went
Speaker 1: through college, I graduated, I dedicated that degree with my mama.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying, Like now I'm making mix
Speaker 1: tapes in the basement hood hood you and now you're
Speaker 1: doing street music for paper bag money and teaching Look
Speaker 1: and teach him to so the head of my department.
Speaker 1: I brought him three contracts. One was to I think
Speaker 1: red Zone read something might be like tricking them in
Speaker 1: that line. The other one was Barry Hankerson. I forget
Speaker 1: who the other one was, but I brought him all
Speaker 1: three contracts. Right. I still had that basketball mentality, like
Speaker 1: all right, tiping when you go to the NBA. And
Speaker 1: he was like he kind of saw the thirst on
Speaker 1: me a little bit and was like, coach, don't feel
Speaker 1: like you gotta run to l A right away. If
Speaker 1: you want to stay home and get your stuff together,
Speaker 1: you know, get your house in order, you can do that,
Speaker 1: you know, and and if you want, you can teach here.
Speaker 1: I was like, teach what he said, I've never had
Speaker 1: a student like you make up a class left out
Speaker 1: his office because I was like, he might take that back.
Speaker 1: He only think you know what he said, left out
Speaker 1: the office. Took my favorite three syllabus from all five
Speaker 1: years of college and wrote a curriculum called hip Hop
Speaker 1: Beat Making and then Out of Tune at Columbia University
Speaker 1: Columbia College, Chicago. So just lean away this. Jeremiah Kanye
Speaker 1: is downtown and uh. He made a couple of edits
Speaker 1: and they offered me another class, and you know, I
Speaker 1: want you to teach my other class, Producing Recording Music three,
Speaker 1: and I'm gonna teach four. So I taught two classes
Speaker 1: hip Hop be making and Producing Recordings three for two
Speaker 1: years and you're what. And I remember the first day
Speaker 1: of class. It was at the Rhythm Cafe, is a
Speaker 1: studio in Chicago where we had the class, and they
Speaker 1: hadn't opened it up yet. So the students are there.
Speaker 1: I'm there, but I'm dressed like how it was dressed
Speaker 1: last semester. And they're like, man, where the fund the
Speaker 1: teacher at man, how the fund this? They ain't open
Speaker 1: up the building, blah blah blah, man this is and
Speaker 1: they're just going crazy and I'm sitting there looking like
Speaker 1: and then the guy comes opens the door and they
Speaker 1: were like, oh, man, what's your name. I was like, yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm the teacher, and y'all cuting my class. You're gonna
Speaker 1: get a f you know what I'm saying. And it's
Speaker 1: and it's normally on the first day because I don't
Speaker 1: like y'all attitude. How we walked in on their gass
Speaker 1: and every week I used to play all the beats
Speaker 1: I made all week and just punch them in the nose.
Speaker 1: They'd be like, Professor, you did this this week because
Speaker 1: I was man, I was to You're not though, It's
Speaker 1: not like you can teach your beat this week. You
Speaker 1: want us to wrap over this. Not only is the
Speaker 1: Beast not weak, but I'm inviting Damn. They're all the
Speaker 1: guests from Kanye College dropout to because it's Chicago. He
Speaker 1: comes GLC and Loupe Fiasca comes, uh Prolific, you know,
Speaker 1: brin Fest. I'm bringing all of the guys to my
Speaker 1: class and we had a mixtape at the end of
Speaker 1: the semester, like it was. Mikey Rocks from the Cool
Speaker 1: Kids was in my first class. So to this day,
Speaker 1: mighty be like Professor co Sign, like a lot of
Speaker 1: people know me as professor. No, no, he was a student.
Speaker 1: He's my first student too, Professor Professor Cosign still to
Speaker 1: this day, you know what I'm saying. So, yeah, I
Speaker 1: think that that's where I really put together that. I
Speaker 1: think that's where I got the formula. You know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying, might have been you might be our first professor. Yeah,
Speaker 1: we've had on the show bro right right, we've had
Speaker 1: a sir. We had to serve personal sides. I'm a
Speaker 1: doctor Church, so a doctor of music. Oh you got
Speaker 1: the honorary doctor doctor Church from where harvest? Harvest? Okay,
Speaker 1: Hey Dallas, I'm sipping one more time. I'm sitting one
Speaker 1: more time to the well schooled church. It's just us
Speaker 1: in the streets. Now, you know what, I feel safe
Speaker 1: around you with me. You know you've been in the
Speaker 1: streets with me. Man, that's crazy. So you're the professor
Speaker 1: with the fire beats, completely tapped in, completely immersed in
Speaker 1: the Chicago culture, music culture. M hmm. What does the break?
Speaker 1: Where does the break happen? Because from everything you've just said,
Speaker 1: like you're ready, You're ready for the big league, You're
Speaker 1: ready for the NBA. When does someone recognize your potential?
Speaker 1: And I'm moderating a panel at school, right, and so
Speaker 1: we have guest speakers that come in and talk to
Speaker 1: the students. One of those guest speakers was a guy
Speaker 1: by the name of c l And he had a
Speaker 1: DJ pool called Digi Wax Wax and so on the
Speaker 1: panel he was talking that ship. I'm like afterward, I
Speaker 1: went up to him, like, Yo, you were talking to
Speaker 1: this ship man, how long are you in town? You're like,
Speaker 1: I'm just here for the night man, and I'm like, well,
Speaker 1: it's cool. I want to take you to the West Side.
Speaker 1: Give you some Uncle Remus chicken. I don't know if
Speaker 1: you had Uncle Remus, but that mouth sauce is crazy.
Speaker 1: I know we know him for Heralds, but as a
Speaker 1: West Side er Uncle Remus, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: And then my studio was on Sacramento. Drove h the
Speaker 1: Uncle Remus drove him to the studio, played them some beats.
Speaker 1: He said, all right, cool. So on that panel, I
Speaker 1: know I said I got DIGIAX, but I'm actually partners
Speaker 1: with MS. And he's coming off of this is why
Speaker 1: I'm hot Global Smash smash, and we don't need the
Speaker 1: big producers that the labels are introducing us to. We
Speaker 1: need just something different. I'm not looking for the name.
Speaker 1: I just want a different sound and Yo, Ship is different.
Speaker 1: And so I'm gonna fly you to Atlanta to work
Speaker 1: with MS. I'm like, oh, Ship, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: So the next day my homie comes to the studio
Speaker 1: and say, you ain't the hottest producer in Chicago. Bro,
Speaker 1: It's another nigger. That got you, and I said the
Speaker 1: next day, next day, one of my homies, I said,
Speaker 1: all right, okay, we'll play me to beat that says
Speaker 1: that he's nicer than me. He played the beat in
Speaker 1: the light bulb went off on my head. I said, Oh,
Speaker 1: he liked the beat because it's a hook on it,
Speaker 1: and I don't put hooks on my beat. I just
Speaker 1: be making. I'm a beat maker. I said, look that
Speaker 1: beat that you love. Put that on my on my
Speaker 1: desktop in the studio, and tomorrow'm gonna come in here
Speaker 1: and make that beat, daddy, okay, because you got me
Speaker 1: fucked up. Came in the next day, made the beat, daddy,
Speaker 1: but then set a hook on there. Move if you
Speaker 1: want to, if you want to, if you want to move, move,
Speaker 1: if you want to, just put something there. Sent that
Speaker 1: to At least he jumped right on it. That's my
Speaker 1: first goal. It's my first goal record. Wow, it's my
Speaker 1: first competitive You don't don't come in here and tell
Speaker 1: me I'm not the nicest in are you? Yeah? Are
Speaker 1: you stupid? He dumb? He's stupid, He dumb. I was
Speaker 1: so offended. Took a Jordan and that netflix. I took
Speaker 1: the fence to that. I took offense to that, say
Speaker 1: that bro and went crazy bro. And then I ended
Speaker 1: up executive producing the album. I didn't know that. I
Speaker 1: like seven records on there. Wow, I'm gonna tell you
Speaker 1: how I do. I'm another past are shout out to
Speaker 1: LaToya Lucky. I produced a song with LaToya and M's
Speaker 1: called Love roller Coaster. Yeah, actually you didn't. Did you
Speaker 1: did what you didn't? I didn't because I did her vocals.
Speaker 1: And this is how I find out who the interns are,
Speaker 1: because listen, LaToya, I love you. She wasn't going in
Speaker 1: the studio with some new guys. She had never heard
Speaker 1: of it. And this is when we're doing Regret and
Speaker 1: ye good good to me. Yeah, this is the same
Speaker 1: exact time. She's on Capitol at the Times as well,
Speaker 1: and I remember was it was, and I remember he
Speaker 1: came in there and he's like, Toya, we needs you
Speaker 1: on this man's record and blah blah blah blah, and
Speaker 1: I need you to go in with the producers who
Speaker 1: did it. Their name is the interns. And she's like,
Speaker 1: oh yeah, And I'm literally a fly on the wall,
Speaker 1: like because we're doing we're doing her altum and she like,
Speaker 1: I do JA do my vocals? I'm like, what, it's
Speaker 1: not my song. I don't know that that. Yeah, you
Speaker 1: didn't have to do it. You know tanks on tours.
Speaker 1: You know what I mean tanking. We did our work
Speaker 1: and tanks gone and I end up cutting the vocals.
Speaker 1: That's crazy. So that's how I who Yeah, I credit
Speaker 1: for that. Neither. You won't give me some that's you.
Speaker 1: She should have gave you that out of her piece.
Speaker 1: She should have gave you some pub out of her
Speaker 1: She should have gave your fire something. Some things we
Speaker 1: do for the coaching man. This is how I find
Speaker 1: out who these guys are. Many and that was enough
Speaker 1: pipeline to um do a publishing deal with only a
Speaker 1: TV and Vincent Herbert has signed an artist from Chicago
Speaker 1: by the name of Fieve. Him and Barry Hankerson. And
Speaker 1: it's crazy, but I say Barry was like he was
Speaker 1: the churches to come on, man, come on man, so
Speaker 1: uh shouting, yeah, I got some man. Barry Haggison, he's
Speaker 1: the first Ergin. I remember being in his office two
Speaker 1: days after graduation and he said, so, I heard the
Speaker 1: track stars wanted to sign you, but I don't understand.
Speaker 1: Why would you want to sign to some niggas that
Speaker 1: signed to me. Why woun't you just want to come home?
Speaker 1: Why don't you just come home? I s all right,
Speaker 1: what I'm saying, like wait what and no, no? This
Speaker 1: after me him, So maybe I'm like twenty five now,
Speaker 1: and uh I remember him playing, playing him some beats
Speaker 1: and and some songs, and he was listening. He was like,
Speaker 1: you're real talented, man, it's just you'll beat a little
Speaker 1: light in the ass. And when I tell you about
Speaker 1: one of my ribs cracked when he said, you know,
Speaker 1: say like nothing like that. It beats a little light
Speaker 1: in the ass. But don't worry. Don't worry. I'll get
Speaker 1: you with him. I get you with him, man, and
Speaker 1: then get that together. But that was the beginning of
Speaker 1: me formulating the disrespectful away because you're not gonna tell
Speaker 1: me my beast is light in the ass man, that
Speaker 1: she used to haunt me. And heavy from now on,
Speaker 1: Heavy from now on. I'm saying, yeah, you took everything personally,
Speaker 1: it's looked like nass. He told me. I wasn't a producer.
Speaker 1: So you're you're song right, You're you're a good songwriter.
Speaker 1: You're an amazing vocalist, You're an amazing singer. You're a
Speaker 1: good songwriter, but you're you're not a producer. So we're
Speaker 1: gonna get this. Maybe I deserve produced the right way.
Speaker 1: I just watched you at Love Records in full tank
Speaker 1: tanky production mode. I don't know if you realized how
Speaker 1: much you was in your bag last week. I wasn't
Speaker 1: even Bro, that was until you said it, and then
Speaker 1: Stacy called me. Stacy Barth called me and was like,
Speaker 1: I mean like he said the same thing you said.
Speaker 1: You were just quarterback is it's chaos. It was absolutely
Speaker 1: you saw that there was a leader that needed to
Speaker 1: be somebody need to lead. And how you lead that
Speaker 1: set you got lucky day, you know what I'm saying, Camper, Camper,
Speaker 1: Tim Kelly. It was it was a zoo in the room.
Speaker 1: It was a zoo and I was like, Nana, I
Speaker 1: gotta and the orchestration and then because people have so
Speaker 1: much respect for you the way, everybody just kind of
Speaker 1: fell in line. Bro. I just it was real general
Speaker 1: ship though, and I grew as a producer. You hit
Speaker 1: me the next day. I was like, uh, I agree,
Speaker 1: I didn't because you and it your business in your
Speaker 1: natural habits, set living life. But it's like Barry Hikerson
Speaker 1: telling me I'm not a producer. That's crazy. I'll take
Speaker 1: that personally. I wanted to beat Camping Yes you did,
Speaker 1: Yes you did, and the song he told me that
Speaker 1: wasn't good for production that production state. Yeah, and it
Speaker 1: ended up being the song that was the foundation of
Speaker 1: my career. Shout out listen, shout out to Bara Hankinson
Speaker 1: for applying the pressure absolutely, applying the pressure absolutely because
Speaker 1: if you don't have somebody, because all he's doing is
Speaker 1: telling his truth, right, if you don't have somebody that
Speaker 1: you know that. One of my favorite proverbs, iron Sharper
Speaker 1: is iron. You know what I'm saying, You don't got somebody.
Speaker 1: And that's why I feel like Jay is a cheat code.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying for you, because Jake gonna
Speaker 1: talk that ship and goddamn trying to tell you down
Speaker 1: without I'm not without love, but the words would be like,
Speaker 1: you gotta have tough skin, you you gotta be, you
Speaker 1: gotta down, you gotta have tough alligator skin, you gotta
Speaker 1: have Detroit gator skin to deal with. I love it.
Speaker 1: I love it. It's perfect. But but I'm I'm a product.
Speaker 1: You're a product. You're a product of tough teachings. Everything
Speaker 1: was tough love for me. Nothing was nothing was cuddling
Speaker 1: and coddling and and and oh this is because I
Speaker 1: love none of that, straight up, none of it. The
Speaker 1: Interns formed in college, right, so now I'm alone, you know,
Speaker 1: to have a three bedroom home, to bathroom, a couple
Speaker 1: of cards. My mom really set me up while she
Speaker 1: was here, and even after she was here, my mom
Speaker 1: set me up, bro and I paid off the house.
Speaker 1: I paid for my tuition, and I put a studio
Speaker 1: in my basement, and I changed my major to music
Speaker 1: business with a concentration and production. And in this art
Speaker 1: of entreprene newership class, I incorporated this company, the Interns,
Speaker 1: because I met An A and R through a guy
Speaker 1: by the name of Kevin Sean A and R in
Speaker 1: the city name too to to Clark and shout my
Speaker 1: brother man, because he was the one that was like,
Speaker 1: n we don't We're not gonna sign to Barry Hankerson.
Speaker 1: Now that's not the that's not the play. The play
Speaker 1: is let's build it from scratch on our own, out
Speaker 1: the mud. I've always had an idea for the interns,
Speaker 1: and I just thought that name was perfect, especially being
Speaker 1: in college, like hell yeah. And so I did a
Speaker 1: business plan on that company in college when we said
Speaker 1: we were going to produce, manage, and market, and so
Speaker 1: too was the manager. I was the producer. And then
Speaker 1: we shared the marketing. We should throw parties and ship
Speaker 1: like that. In Chicago, we shared that together and after MS,
Speaker 1: after we moved to l A, one of your l
Speaker 1: A parties. I left early. I got about it there.
Speaker 1: It's a good time Chicago. Niggas wild Bro, the niggas
Speaker 1: wild Bro. It's a good time. First days, they do
Speaker 1: that rain dance. They do the rain dance. Chill. I
Speaker 1: think it's called like footworking. Yes, yeah, Footwork's telling footworking
Speaker 1: the rain dance. She is a monster because it has
Speaker 1: a rain see and you gotta and if you really footworking,
Speaker 1: abody has to do this to you. This is when
Speaker 1: you go hypermode when you're dancing and your foot working too.
Speaker 1: Ski ski and you feel somebody do this, then you
Speaker 1: go fast, get me, you got me? Old feel that
Speaker 1: happens if body grab your shirt in the party. Oh man,
Speaker 1: So y'all throwing parties y'all produces, and y'all managing some
Speaker 1: people too, too, started managing feed that the artist I
Speaker 1: was signed the bell, you know what I mean. And
Speaker 1: we uh, we were doing sessions out here, like as
Speaker 1: soon as we get this sony, they just started putting
Speaker 1: us on the blind date. Y'all living in Chicago still, No,
Speaker 1: we moved in uh oh nine, so after Him's happened,
Speaker 1: I see it. We got about it there, moved to
Speaker 1: Woodland Hills. Um. I moved family and my mama's house
Speaker 1: so that I could just come home and kind of,
Speaker 1: you know, go back and forth. And I remember one
Speaker 1: of our first sessions, not our first session was with
Speaker 1: the Jackie Boys too, yes, sir, and they was like
Speaker 1: it was a session with us. They had to leave
Speaker 1: early because they had to go work with Shaun Kingston
Speaker 1: and it was burnt out there, like yo, even on
Speaker 1: the Shaun Kinson album. I have no more ideas, Coach,
Speaker 1: please come with us to this session. And I was like,
Speaker 1: why y'all want me? You know what I'm saying. You
Speaker 1: got Benny Blanco as the producer. You know what I'm saying,
Speaker 1: I'm a producer, and no, you're a writer, coach, and
Speaker 1: even if you don't feel like writing, at least just
Speaker 1: come and talk have fun. So I go there, they
Speaker 1: pull up the song and it's like it's almost like
Speaker 1: a look. You know, Shaun Kingston kind of had like
Speaker 1: a little Caribbean twang too. So I'm just making making
Speaker 1: jokes like she's indecisive, luking my eyes. Girl, come up
Speaker 1: with the closa. I'm like just like doing wild ship,
Speaker 1: just cracking jokes that the jokes turned into Shaun Kingston
Speaker 1: featuring Justin Bieber, Any Meeting shot any Meani might need
Speaker 1: more love. Yo, that's my first co wrote it with
Speaker 1: the Jackie Boards. It's my first multi platinum plaque. Wow,
Speaker 1: just by the homies saying come and crack jokes, come
Speaker 1: crack jokes with us nicking. The song is called any Meeting,
Speaker 1: So I mean, I get it, I get it. It's
Speaker 1: I said, she's in decisive. So I remember thinking that
Speaker 1: I was supposed to be cool now, like on a
Speaker 1: whole another level because I got MS, I got Justin
Speaker 1: Bieber and a gold plack, got a platinum plaque. I
Speaker 1: should be the nigga out here. I wasn't I know,
Speaker 1: I've gotten you into the club. I was struggling. I'm
Speaker 1: still struggling. Hurry up, so we're about to walk in
Speaker 1: struggle okay, coach fixing the jacket and shirt and ship,
Speaker 1: still trying to get across the street coast. Hurry up,
Speaker 1: you're not gonna get in. Get in, coach. Once we're
Speaker 1: in it, you're done. So like, it was like trying
Speaker 1: to get over the hump of why don't you let
Speaker 1: me in the club? Off my face? Car? Why is
Speaker 1: it not? Why is this not enough? Because A hunting
Speaker 1: niggas with the placement. Man, it's true. So at the
Speaker 1: time my manner, it was Troy Carter and he had
Speaker 1: Lady gott got signed. So I'm like, all right, that's
Speaker 1: it man, I'm gonna get on this guy album. It's
Speaker 1: a lay up. And I started making the beats right
Speaker 1: all right? I do. I call him glow stick music.
Speaker 1: There you can glow stick. I started. Yeah, I started
Speaker 1: trying to because it's like floor, Yeah, your tank sets
Speaker 1: for on the floor because you know he's a it's
Speaker 1: gonna step about front. When you hear that, you think
Speaker 1: Nix is coming out of nowhere. All right, it's time
Speaker 1: for me trying to leave me on my birthday Vegas.
Speaker 1: After our meeting. I took him. I took him. It
Speaker 1: was a bunch of us we went. It was we
Speaker 1: left at his house and went to this club and
Speaker 1: it was fall on the floor and it was jumping
Speaker 1: because it's New Years New Year's Path, and and they're
Speaker 1: sitting there. I'm having the time of my life. First
Speaker 1: of I'm a little hot, and these things sitting let's
Speaker 1: go mad, go with me, come out? Why don't your party?
Speaker 1: And Jay, it's good. I was sitting just like this,
Speaker 1: just listen to So I never got a really gut guy.
Speaker 1: I never got the studio with what I'm saying. I
Speaker 1: never even got in the studio with lady. Did you
Speaker 1: meet her? I met her? Big all the little cool
Speaker 1: that don't do speak on and So Katie Welly, Katie Welly,
Speaker 1: Katie shout out a couple of times on this podcast
Speaker 1: because Katie Welly is the reason why I can't let
Speaker 1: It show. Katie has something to do with kat let
Speaker 1: it show because of the sample sample helping us get
Speaker 1: to Kate Bush, Katie Welly, big John, Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: we wanted a mad dash Katie Wow. Katie Welly had
Speaker 1: one of the most uncomfortable conversations of her life because
Speaker 1: I saw her struggling trying to tell me what she
Speaker 1: wanted to tell me. She was like, CO signed. It's
Speaker 1: when we signed you guys. We were hoping that we
Speaker 1: would get some of that like Chicago ghetto bounce, like
Speaker 1: the Boom, like the aid. Like. I was like, you
Speaker 1: want some you want the ship ship huh, you want
Speaker 1: the boom, Katie? She couldn't. It's tough when you gotta
Speaker 1: make white people talk like that. This is snickering, but
Speaker 1: she was. She was trying to it's your fault. I like,
Speaker 1: given her what she signed you for. I wasn't. I
Speaker 1: was not. I was not. She had our logo in
Speaker 1: her office, and I was just She mentioned us in
Speaker 1: her thirty for thirty under Billboard. That touched me. I
Speaker 1: was like, Yo, we just met you. You don't had
Speaker 1: to drop our name and Billboard. That was a big
Speaker 1: look for us, for her to for her to drop
Speaker 1: our drop our names in her article. And so she
Speaker 1: was like just trying to expe ass like I want
Speaker 1: the old you back. I don't want the Lady Gaga
Speaker 1: chaser after broke that. Bro, that's when you can tell
Speaker 1: the motherfucker, Like, stop chasing that lot of take it
Speaker 1: right there, because a lot of times in this business,
Speaker 1: we choose our business partnerships by who people work with
Speaker 1: or for thinking they're gonna get us in those rooms
Speaker 1: or put us in and it's like, that's not your path,
Speaker 1: that's not even what you do. Why are you chasing like, man,
Speaker 1: I've watched so many um you know, being politically correct
Speaker 1: as I am never um urban artists, go get white management.
Speaker 1: There you go the funk are you doing? Funk are
Speaker 1: you doing? Get with the people who understand what you
Speaker 1: do and be great, know where to take and be great. Relax, Relax.
Speaker 1: You're not getting on those projects and you're not getting
Speaker 1: in those rooms. And if you get in that room,
Speaker 1: in that room, it's going to be what you call
Speaker 1: it earlier, the photo op and other ship that's not
Speaker 1: going to touch that does not touch your bank account.
Speaker 1: Straight up. So man, big shout to Katie for this
Speaker 1: conversation of like, yeah, after she says, get back to you.
Speaker 1: One of my partners from Chicago dialer, Man, you know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. He worked with Dirk Oh TF you
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. He was He was a role
Speaker 1: managing Big Sean and he introduced me to him and
Speaker 1: I remember playing him some beats. And this is before
Speaker 1: I started smoking weekly. I used to be allergic. That's
Speaker 1: a whole another story. I want to touch that before
Speaker 1: stay and you were allergic to it were past tense
Speaker 1: that used to be allergic to weed, and way like,
Speaker 1: what was your reaction? Like hitch, Like as soon as
Speaker 1: I tap it, my whole face is Sweller in real life.
Speaker 1: And so that was I remember in high school. I
Speaker 1: gave it a try and my mama being like because
Speaker 1: I wasn't allergic to anything, you know what I'm saying,
Speaker 1: and my mama being like Medicael, and I was like, man,
Speaker 1: I went to Long John Silva's. It was the fish
Speaker 1: at Long John Silva's. You know what I'm saying. She's like, Minicael,
Speaker 1: you have to stay away from that. I don't. I've
Speaker 1: never taken you there. Why are you figured that? The
Speaker 1: whole time? Mr Weed? And it wasn't until I broke
Speaker 1: up with my first baby Mama that I was on
Speaker 1: some real depression. And I also was working with James
Speaker 1: Foller Roy a lot. So between the depression, between the
Speaker 1: depression and the curiosity, and he's gonna make it look
Speaker 1: fun too. I just stayed in the house and built
Speaker 1: up a tolerance, like my face would be swollen, and
Speaker 1: I just fought through it. I fought through it until
Speaker 1: my body knew it's gonna to kill me. So my
Speaker 1: body was like, all right, we got it. We got it.
Speaker 1: Like the kid who eats dirt, really what that is.
Speaker 1: It was a lot of ship happening to my body,
Speaker 1: and I just was like, we can get through this.
Speaker 1: Nigga conditioned himself to smoke weed. You can't get through this.
Speaker 1: You like the Chronicles of Riddick. No, bro, you are wild, insane.
Speaker 1: So you meet Big Sean. So I mean Big Sean.
Speaker 1: He hit in the weed and he stopped and said,
Speaker 1: am I high? Or are these beats really good? I
Speaker 1: took offense to that, you know what I'm saying, like
Speaker 1: because I don't even know what that even means, Like
Speaker 1: you mean, are you hot? And I remember leaving, I
Speaker 1: was with my homie, Aaron Michael Cox, alright, my my
Speaker 1: younger brother, and dialer was like, yo, look man, calm down,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna have him come by your studio. Came by
Speaker 1: the studio and I was working on the track. The
Speaker 1: first track that I was working on was a little
Speaker 1: like light in the ass, like what Barry was saying.
Speaker 1: And then um, he kind of stopped the session and
Speaker 1: was like, all right, what hold on? If I got
Speaker 1: to beat in my head though, I got an idea
Speaker 1: in my mind, can you make something to something I have?
Speaker 1: I'm like, yeah, go for it, like what you got
Speaker 1: that man said ass ass ass ass ass ass as
Speaker 1: as as as as as as as as as as
Speaker 1: as as as stopped. I make that motherfucker Hammertime in
Speaker 1: roll And in the moment I was like, yo, that
Speaker 1: is I started clapping. I remember myself clapping like so poetic,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. I wanted the keyboard like
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. Then I thought about him
Speaker 1: saying make that motherfucking hammertime. I said, oh, let me
Speaker 1: get that guy damn hammer download. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And
Speaker 1: I remember in Hammertime when he said now broke it down, now,
Speaker 1: didn't I remember that it was a time where the
Speaker 1: record went somewhere else because he said now broke it down.
Speaker 1: That so when we said make that motherfucker hammertons Barry
Speaker 1: James Brown as I had to go to that piece
Speaker 1: of the sample when he said break it down that
Speaker 1: in its inn dropped that bitch right there, my eight
Speaker 1: oh eight that said Mr Barry Hackerston, you don't know me, Katie, Katy,
Speaker 1: this for you baby, And now man, we now we
Speaker 1: now we double platinum. Now we're in the club finally
Speaker 1: feeling what we want to feel in the club. I
Speaker 1: felt felt like I made it with you. You had that.
Speaker 1: I was like, hols, my young nigga did Dad would
Speaker 1: come on? They got great? So yeah, that was that.
Speaker 1: That gave me the feeling I was. I was, man,
Speaker 1: I was looking for that feeling. And then Nicky jumped
Speaker 1: on the remix and said, in the Islands of Wikiki,
Speaker 1: it's like, oh, we're going again. We're going again more.
Speaker 1: And this was like the beginning of the fucking the run, bro,
Speaker 1: This was the beginning of like those guys got it,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying, So give us a rundown
Speaker 1: of that. And then with that, what that turns into
Speaker 1: what the what the records that come after the like
Speaker 1: how does how this plays out? When you get those
Speaker 1: phone calls now that are like I need that because
Speaker 1: that is a that's a very real thing in this industry.
Speaker 1: They don't want variety, they want that. They want what's proven.
Speaker 1: And you into found a space, this proven space for
Speaker 1: the interns where y'all niggas cooked and made a lot
Speaker 1: of money and had a lot of success. So after
Speaker 1: ask give us yeah, I mean, that was it. It
Speaker 1: was just like one. It was like all of the
Speaker 1: political the fight that we was trying to get just
Speaker 1: literally scooted to the side. Like it turned into I
Speaker 1: didn't even care who I was working with. Every day,
Speaker 1: I knew somebody popping was gonna be at the studio,
Speaker 1: and I knew he was going to deliver. I looked
Speaker 1: at my ask cap uh the other day and it's
Speaker 1: three hundred seventeen joints in there. Three seven. My goal
Speaker 1: is six hundred, So I'm halfway home, you know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying. But a lot of the beef was in
Speaker 1: this era. So after that, I remember having a meeting
Speaker 1: wood Karen Quak, dropping off some beasts to Karen what
Speaker 1: she gave those beats too. A good friend of hers
Speaker 1: by the name of the Dream. The Dream was on
Speaker 1: tour with Rihanna and going through beats wrote her a song.
Speaker 1: The last song on her album. He wrote a song
Speaker 1: called Kate Kate, Kate, Kate, Kate Kate, And I remember
Speaker 1: when I made that bet because I originally made that
Speaker 1: beat for Christina Aguilera and Eric Belinger wrote the song.
Speaker 1: It's a song called Mary Go Around. And in typical
Speaker 1: like industry fashion, you do a record that you love
Speaker 1: and they don't pay for it. It never comes out.
Speaker 1: And I'm just like, you know what, man, I'm about
Speaker 1: to start moving these beats around. You won't pay me
Speaker 1: for the beat. I'm giving it to somebody else. That
Speaker 1: somebody else was Rehanna, and that's a good brod. I
Speaker 1: remember when we first got the news that the song
Speaker 1: was going on the album. They told he it was
Speaker 1: an interlude, and me and to him, we got into
Speaker 1: a fist fight because I was so mad that we
Speaker 1: finally won the Rihanna Sweepsteaks and they were talking about
Speaker 1: we weren't gonna get publishing because it was just the
Speaker 1: interlude and you know, we will pay your feed but
Speaker 1: and I'm just like, come on, man, like this is
Speaker 1: this is one of these is it? Like? You know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying this one? And I remember to being like,
Speaker 1: but you gotta relax, man, this is the best on
Speaker 1: the album. All this ship is gonna go like chill
Speaker 1: like he knew, knew the whole time. He was like chilled.
Speaker 1: I'm like the funk that man sick at it, you
Speaker 1: know what? Full and he was he was like a
Speaker 1: little trade with with dope. Boy. Guys, why are you
Speaker 1: being in my head like that? Why are you just
Speaker 1: getting say the joke before me? I'm trying to get
Speaker 1: to the world. What are you talking about? Swing trying
Speaker 1: to knock the air out? Because I was Coast so well, like, listen, guys,
Speaker 1: Coast Coast is the nicest guy ever. He doesn't want
Speaker 1: to fight, he doesn't want to do those things. So
Speaker 1: to get him to that point, man to really make
Speaker 1: it mad and and he's still gonna just punch the air.
Speaker 1: That's it. So I'm swinging trying to knock the air out,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying too, like trying to call
Speaker 1: me down. And then like a few weeks later, I'm
Speaker 1: in Greatstone and I hear the DJ say like we
Speaker 1: got Rihanna in the building, blah blah blah BLAHM Like yo,
Speaker 1: I'm on this lady album. She got me as an interlude.
Speaker 1: I ain never even met this lady, and I saw
Speaker 1: Chris and a coute. I'm just like Chris Man. I
Speaker 1: just heard the DJ saying Rihanna was here. I produced
Speaker 1: birthday cake and I never even met her. He's like, oh,
Speaker 1: you ain't never met Rihanna. Come on, man walks me
Speaker 1: over there to the section. Bro c we re. He says, Rihanna,
Speaker 1: this is CoA signed from the interns. They did. They
Speaker 1: did a birthday cake for you. She said, Oh my god,
Speaker 1: you did? You did? I love that song? Dive into
Speaker 1: my arms. I've seen the pictures flashing. I envisioned myself
Speaker 1: on media take out as her new boyfriend. I knew
Speaker 1: they was going right. Who was the mystery man with Rihanna?
Speaker 1: So I'm I'm actually holding onto the hug a little
Speaker 1: longer so that I can have this moment of her
Speaker 1: new nigga. You know what, I'm saying that happy and
Speaker 1: we're happy, and we're happy and we have this funny
Speaker 1: because the media takeout article that I ended up getting
Speaker 1: was with Angela Simmons and they named they put somebody
Speaker 1: else name on top of man. They didn't put my name.
Speaker 1: It was like a basketball player it was like Angela
Speaker 1: was such a such she just like, guys, we're supposed
Speaker 1: to do this for Rihanna man and actually used my name.
Speaker 1: But anyway, she said, I have the idea. Though, I
Speaker 1: have an idea. I think I'm gonna put Chris Brown
Speaker 1: on the remix. So I want you to come by
Speaker 1: because my fans are asking for the Rihanna Navy wants
Speaker 1: the whole song. I'm just like Chris Brown on this,
Speaker 1: y'all back to y'all going to get back together for this.
Speaker 1: So I'm not your boyfriend. So I'm not your boyfriend.
Speaker 1: But the people for me to take out any ship,
Speaker 1: they don't write this up because I'm not. Because she
Speaker 1: can get why and yeah, she called Chris and that
Speaker 1: remix came out and went to number one. And when
Speaker 1: I tell you, I had never got a performance check different.
Speaker 1: It's different the performance when it's on radio, when the
Speaker 1: song performs, when performed, every song does not perform. Every song.
Speaker 1: Don't dance for you. Yeah, so don't dance for you
Speaker 1: now watch this though. It's crazy because to this day,
Speaker 1: that version of the song is not available in iTunes
Speaker 1: or Spotify and it's never been sold. So I've had
Speaker 1: this conversation with Dream a few times, like, bro, like,
Speaker 1: how much money didn't we get because we never sold
Speaker 1: it and people can't stream it. He was like, it
Speaker 1: ain't nothing crazy, goes like four or six million? Nothing
Speaker 1: crazy though, he's too rich, he's too rich. Understand because
Speaker 1: he understand. He to understand where no, no, no, no,
Speaker 1: he understand. He understands. It's I respected slapped you upside
Speaker 1: your head. It's nothing crazy six million like you like
Speaker 1: you're like, but then, yeah, there was a there was
Speaker 1: a there was a different thing that that went along
Speaker 1: with that record. So I get it. I get it,
Speaker 1: But I will say that record couldn't come out. I
Speaker 1: will say if at any point because this year is
Speaker 1: the tenuere anniversary of talk that talk of that album
Speaker 1: tenor anniversary this year two she ever puts that version
Speaker 1: up in the streaming UM until my wife's packard ship
Speaker 1: we moved them removing that day. It's out of here.
Speaker 1: Sound the upgrade. Any point you want to put that
Speaker 1: song up in streamings, streamings, streaming for the fans to
Speaker 1: listen to. Chris Brown and Rihanna. My family greatly appreciated
Speaker 1: the pilocios is I would love that. So, yes, that's
Speaker 1: telve Is. I can't I can't believe I really did
Speaker 1: get it into All my songs come from a fence.
Speaker 1: So Anthony Sele comes to the studio. He was partners
Speaker 1: with Troy Carter and managing no still manages Naza this day,
Speaker 1: and he said he came by to just trying to
Speaker 1: figure O, all right, what you know what's next for
Speaker 1: the interns, Like what y'all what y'are working on? And
Speaker 1: I'm like, bro, like you are manager, Bro, like though
Speaker 1: something off the glass? You know what I'm saying? What
Speaker 1: you got? He was like, it's crazy because I was
Speaker 1: just about to call here boy and seeing him these
Speaker 1: NAS vocals. Man, I'm just like looking at too, like,
Speaker 1: who man is this? Bro? Who man is this? Because
Speaker 1: he in our studios about to send somebody else. He's
Speaker 1: our co manager. He boy, just he fresh off niggas
Speaker 1: in Paris, signed to Kanye, my Chicago hero bro. And
Speaker 1: so he was like, oh, you know what, my bad man,
Speaker 1: I'm seeing that. I'm seeing the fouls coach I got.
Speaker 1: But it's it's not that much though. It's just a
Speaker 1: vocal from Nas, a baseline from Salam remy and sample
Speaker 1: that heavy D. Gave us a late heavy D. Alright
Speaker 1: pete and salute to the legend. Absolutely, so he gave
Speaker 1: me that pro to a session with those three sounds
Speaker 1: in there, and I remember talking to Fab about it, like, man,
Speaker 1: you know what he said he was gonna do? And
Speaker 1: she said, coach, but it's Nas though, right, and you
Speaker 1: know your beats are kind of shiny. Mm hm. You've
Speaker 1: been You've been offended twice the time and just on
Speaker 1: one song, I said, mhm mm hmm. I went through
Speaker 1: my hard drive to find the filthiest, dirtiest fun they
Speaker 1: can put up. What give me the dirtiestre What is
Speaker 1: the dirtiest snare that I owned? You can't that thing? Thing?
Speaker 1: I'm going through the hard drive. And that's how NASA
Speaker 1: don comes about. New York girls know my dude, not
Speaker 1: another man if she doesn't give me that your beats
Speaker 1: of shiny pep talk. And I remember sending the beat
Speaker 1: to Anthony Sile and recording him the first time he
Speaker 1: heard it and he was just like, shit, you know
Speaker 1: what I mean that. I remember being in the studio
Speaker 1: with Nas right like now we're building doing other records,
Speaker 1: and I remember this man. I remember him being the
Speaker 1: coolest man I have ever met. Yo, because I'm funny
Speaker 1: bro and I'm cracking jokes and people are laughing, but
Speaker 1: nos w and be like hilarious laughing. That's how he
Speaker 1: laughed at me. He laughed cools, a little scratchy, little hilarious.
Speaker 1: I'm just like, come back to the beach, Get back
Speaker 1: to the beach. And then uh um Astrid was on
Speaker 1: our management team, Astrid and she called and said, Nicky
Speaker 1: want to I want to work with y'all. And we
Speaker 1: got up with Nikki and Nicky was like, I need
Speaker 1: a song that makes my dancers feel like how they
Speaker 1: felt when ass came mouth, because I remember being on
Speaker 1: tour and I remember just watching them going, I need
Speaker 1: I need one of those, you know, I need my
Speaker 1: own ass. I'm like, I got you, Nikki. And so
Speaker 1: she had a verse in this sample idea um the
Speaker 1: boom boom boom boom boom from Polo Polo down. And
Speaker 1: so she was like, I have this idea that I like,
Speaker 1: and I like it a lot. I know you can
Speaker 1: make me love it. I was like, all right, So
Speaker 1: we got in the room. The first thing we did
Speaker 1: was listen to the whole so makes a lot of sample.
Speaker 1: Just listen to the whole songs. Vibe to the song
Speaker 1: for a second. When he got to that part where
Speaker 1: he was like, my Ana Conda, don't won't none it,
Speaker 1: she was like, that's how you need to start the
Speaker 1: ship if you're gonna do. If I'm you and I'm
Speaker 1: making it me, I'm starting with that. You say less
Speaker 1: than me, You say less than me, You shut your
Speaker 1: mouth while you talk to you my anda kind of
Speaker 1: bom my and the kind of boom and that's what
Speaker 1: I was saying, smart as bam, you thunk like the
Speaker 1: arrangement of the that it was like an opportunity for
Speaker 1: me to do this track and then pay homage and
Speaker 1: then put the school bell usually to put the school
Speaker 1: at the beginning. I'm putting the school bell every time
Speaker 1: that break happens. I'm over at school bell this mother player.
Speaker 1: So people know, you know what I'm saying that this
Speaker 1: is me. You know what I mean Because even on
Speaker 1: the NOAs the Dog song, I feel like Jason Josh
Speaker 1: would turn my bill down in the mix and it
Speaker 1: was like in the second verse area, it's like you
Speaker 1: turned my bill down, So shout the Jason Joshua, because
Speaker 1: that's and that's who makes the ask and the gang
Speaker 1: of my records man, Jason Joshua got it. But he
Speaker 1: turned your bell down. He turned my bill down on
Speaker 1: the nods. I don't know why he did that. It
Speaker 1: was too shiny. No, it's too shiny for the it happens.
Speaker 1: Jason knows, he knows. He took the lead on it.
Speaker 1: He'll take the lead to the league. He got me.
Speaker 1: He took the lead on one of our songs, remember
Speaker 1: keeping one hundred and And we walked in the studio
Speaker 1: and he starts playing keep It one Hunting and I'm like,
Speaker 1: as soon as it starts, I'm like, what I make
Speaker 1: his face right and he says, wait for it, wait
Speaker 1: on it, nigga, Oh my god, oh my doing started
Speaker 1: over even that suspense for you. You know what, Jason's right.
Speaker 1: He's gonna make sure you know that he's right. You're
Speaker 1: gonna make sure you know a hundred times over. You
Speaker 1: guys gotta funk with me. You funk with me and
Speaker 1: funk with me only bro that ship. I was like,
Speaker 1: you are amazing, Yeah, because Jason and Jason and hits
Speaker 1: you with a little bit of like co production on
Speaker 1: your mix. No, it's not like, it's not like, it's
Speaker 1: not like Jason is definitely producing Nigga's record. Absolutely listen
Speaker 1: when we send a Canada the show and Cana the
Speaker 1: show is done. Like just do what you do. Get
Speaker 1: a mix I got, can't let a show back with
Speaker 1: a snare on the hook. I was like, did you
Speaker 1: He said, absolutely needed it. I like it. I like it.
Speaker 1: I like it a lot, like it a lot. Thanks me,
Speaker 1: thank you, sir. You know, Jason called me before he
Speaker 1: makes asks. It was like, what you want the basis
Speaker 1: sound like? I was like, I want to sound like
Speaker 1: a distorted bass guitar the rumble on that motherfucker that
Speaker 1: he put on that bitch so um so. Yeah, we
Speaker 1: started a conda off with that Maana. So that's how
Speaker 1: he even got the name. It wasn't called anaconda, it
Speaker 1: was called an kind of after you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: The intro happened, and I just remember that song like
Speaker 1: going to the Moon, like that was the most intentional
Speaker 1: hit that I had had where it was just like, okay, nikky, this,
Speaker 1: I know that I'm recognizing in the times that this
Speaker 1: is about to be a lot of things are going
Speaker 1: to be different after this. Brian had another proud moment
Speaker 1: for you. We're in Seattle, Jamal Crawford's wedding tanks performing
Speaker 1: and who's there? Who else is going to perform? Seattle's
Speaker 1: own Sir mix a lot? And I'm like, Yo, my guys, right,
Speaker 1: my guys did that? Man? He got a lot and
Speaker 1: I had it for that m he took a lot
Speaker 1: of that pub you start the song off with it,
Speaker 1: you mean you know, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, but no.
Speaker 1: It was a really proud moment being able to just
Speaker 1: be like, man, miss my guys, that did that right,
Speaker 1: and he he was like, man that I love it. Man.
Speaker 1: I was a moment. Then next year we're nominated for
Speaker 1: the Rap Song of the Year, bro, and you know,
Speaker 1: to me, that's the coolest award and the rap song
Speaker 1: of the year like ship Man. And I remember being
Speaker 1: so hype and then like lying to myself saying, I
Speaker 1: don't care about if we winner lose. I'm already a winner.
Speaker 1: And then we lost. I wouldn't do a deep depression
Speaker 1: to move back. We lost, I funked up the bag,
Speaker 1: then went back to my auntie house. I just see
Speaker 1: myself right now in the backyard. I'm in the backyard
Speaker 1: crame because I know that as many times as people
Speaker 1: have been like, your mother must be so proud, in
Speaker 1: that moment, she was not proud the bag. I was
Speaker 1: out here whiling, having way too much fun, indulging in
Speaker 1: things that don't happen in my local neighborhood where I'm from,
Speaker 1: and the Hollywood sauce had gotten to my bloodstream. But
Speaker 1: I needed a real time out. You put yourself on
Speaker 1: time No, I fought it, but when you definitely the
Speaker 1: rent I'm asking, I'm just asking a few work. I
Speaker 1: wasn't strong enough. Now, how did time out happen for you?
Speaker 1: Because I can tell your time out happened for me.
Speaker 1: Family members flew in town two just paid to put
Speaker 1: my whole house and storage and they were just like,
Speaker 1: come on, come on, buddy, for intervention, come on and look.
Speaker 1: It was wild because what I didn't realize was people
Speaker 1: didn't understand what I was going through. But I was
Speaker 1: having a moment of not really all the way dealing
Speaker 1: with moms. In the midst of all of this, I
Speaker 1: had an artist that I got a pub deal at
Speaker 1: Universal and was about to do his artists deal at Colombia.
Speaker 1: They had just signed Adele, and Columbia was like, this
Speaker 1: is our mail Adele. And then he passed away a
Speaker 1: testicular cancer. A brother by the name of Aaron Michael Cox.
Speaker 1: He was twenty two years old, extremely talented, extremely talented,
Speaker 1: and it just it shook my world, you know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying, Like it literally shook two blocks away from
Speaker 1: like the studio. I'm like, wait what And and then
Speaker 1: my son's mother and I, you know, we are broke up,
Speaker 1: was like official. Our breakup was official. So I just
Speaker 1: was in. I was in Shamble's brother. I was not
Speaker 1: doing the self work, you know what I'm saying. And
Speaker 1: I remember going home and I remember my family just
Speaker 1: being so confused, like and I remember my cousin the
Speaker 1: older sisters, and my cousin Jazz, that's the one that
Speaker 1: seen me playing basketball. But her older sister drove me
Speaker 1: to a rehab center and I was just like so
Speaker 1: taken back, like wait, this is what y'all think I
Speaker 1: need if you don't get me out of here, you
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying, Like, And then I realized, like
Speaker 1: that was how I realized that the energy were Damn,
Speaker 1: this is motherfucker's think I'm full on strong outbout this
Speaker 1: bit like oh ship. And I remember being home and
Speaker 1: feeling so low, but the love that I was getting
Speaker 1: at the crib was so rejuvenating but confusing at the
Speaker 1: same time. So I could think of his one brother.
Speaker 1: I used to be on the corner man, my next
Speaker 1: door neighbor. His name is Toriano, and I remember growing
Speaker 1: up for my mom everybody to be like, you stay
Speaker 1: away from Toriano. You know you yang banging and I
Speaker 1: don't want to see you on the corner with him.
Speaker 1: And now with all the decorations, for the first time
Speaker 1: in my life, I'm in Maywood on the corner with
Speaker 1: Toriana hit the weed. I'm telling him about got there, Micki,
Speaker 1: minajs Rihanna, And he telling me, Bro, when I was
Speaker 1: locked up and you was doing your thing, do you
Speaker 1: know they didn't believe that I knew you, man, And
Speaker 1: I'm telling them, that's a little bro right there. Man,
Speaker 1: I'm telling him, I'm like, man, y'all better get out
Speaker 1: of here, and that's a little bro. And it was
Speaker 1: just like, damn, they told me to stay away from
Speaker 1: me my whole life and here I am with you,
Speaker 1: and this is the love that you. I didn't I didn't,
Speaker 1: I didn't know. I didn't even know. You know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying. He had been locked up while the room
Speaker 1: was happening, you know what I'm saying. But the rejuven
Speaker 1: nation of Chicago love bro got me together that because
Speaker 1: I turned effected to come from too. Were you live?
Speaker 1: This guy, you know, in the sense off limits of
Speaker 1: your entire life for the streets is watching as they say,
Speaker 1: absolutely they are. And I'm sing there, I'm grown that
Speaker 1: you know it can't Nobody telling me I can't and
Speaker 1: now and I got the weed now And then he
Speaker 1: goes still down. So I'm and my cousin was there,
Speaker 1: and my cousin used to be cool. So we were
Speaker 1: on the corner. Bro, I'm on the corner in May,
Speaker 1: I'm on the corner. I know, on the coner because
Speaker 1: me and this fool used to be on the phone. Well,
Speaker 1: I mean you the reason why I ain't back, you
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. Like it was about it was
Speaker 1: about a good nine month time out and I remember
Speaker 1: Jay hit me like, man, what's something checking in? And
Speaker 1: I remember trying to tell him that everything was amazing.
Speaker 1: I was trying to paint Chicago to be the greatest
Speaker 1: thing that ever happened. Yeah, you know, I'm downtown with
Speaker 1: the sole Who membership at Columbia and you know they
Speaker 1: won't be doing tear talk man. You know I bed.
Speaker 1: He was like, hop's time to come back. What you
Speaker 1: what you doing? Bro? Come back to l A. Man,
Speaker 1: what are you doing? I was like, I'm coming. I
Speaker 1: was saying, came back. It's a little deeper than that.
Speaker 1: But I leave out because because our podcast is very real,
Speaker 1: and our podcast is cautionary at times, and you know
Speaker 1: in the information that we give and how we give it,
Speaker 1: and you know you're my brother. I lave you to death.
Speaker 1: I called you a loser ship. I left that part out,
Speaker 1: but I had to. Yeah, I had to because you
Speaker 1: had got into big fish in a small pond mode.
Speaker 1: You went home with all your accolades, and he was
Speaker 1: flossing into everybody on the corner and everybody at the
Speaker 1: Soho House of Chicago about what you had done in
Speaker 1: l A and how you you were in my I
Speaker 1: this is my opinion of me. Looking at it, I'm like, oh,
Speaker 1: he didn't win back home and not told him why
Speaker 1: he at home. He didn't went back home and say,
Speaker 1: you listen, the projectal Son is back and I'm cracking
Speaker 1: and black when I definitely didn't tell people why he
Speaker 1: was back right now, which I get it, I get it.
Speaker 1: But the people who know and the people who are
Speaker 1: there for those moments when two is getting your place
Speaker 1: packed up and your family is trying to have an intervention,
Speaker 1: and like, I was literally a part of all of
Speaker 1: that for you, and and so when you've given me
Speaker 1: the gloss over story about what was happening out there,
Speaker 1: and and I'm like, nah, nigga, you're You're a loser.
Speaker 1: You quit. Quit, you quit, because there's a thing like
Speaker 1: I respect the guys who do it what they're from.
Speaker 1: I respect y'all. If you can, if you can, if
Speaker 1: you can accomplish the great things that you can accomplish
Speaker 1: in major cities like New York and Los Angeles when
Speaker 1: it comes to music business in Atlanta now obviously, um,
Speaker 1: if you can accomplish those things and smaller cities and
Speaker 1: in places that the music isn't um put on a
Speaker 1: on a major scale every single day. Even though Chicago
Speaker 1: has amazing talent, has amazing people that have come out
Speaker 1: of Chicago and are still in Chicago. But for someone
Speaker 1: who had went and came to Los Angeles and made
Speaker 1: it for themselves to go back home and not on something.
Speaker 1: I'm just going back home, and I'm I'm cracking. I'm
Speaker 1: going back home because I got to. I'm like, na, bro,
Speaker 1: you can't. You can't let them push you out. Now.
Speaker 1: If you're gonna go back on your own and you're
Speaker 1: gonna open up a school of music and you got
Speaker 1: a label going and you got you signed an artist,
Speaker 1: salute to you. But if you're going home right because
Speaker 1: they took your basketball with your pockets, who you've lost?
Speaker 1: And I hated having to have that conversation with you,
Speaker 1: but I knew I couldn't get off the phone with
Speaker 1: you that way. I knew I couldn't get off the
Speaker 1: phone with you that way, and I had to, at
Speaker 1: the very least at least tell you how I felt.
Speaker 1: I had to offend you as you as you as
Speaker 1: you know how we do an R and by fashion,
Speaker 1: we have to get into your R and B mind.
Speaker 1: You know you spoke a lot of musicianship and a
Speaker 1: lot of creative genius um that is in you. You
Speaker 1: know it's in your blood. Um, I need to know
Speaker 1: your top five R and B artists, any era, of
Speaker 1: all time, of all times. Michael Jackson, m Stevie, wonder Ship.
Speaker 1: I'll be scared of the three. I don't be scared
Speaker 1: of the three. Let's do it, Just do it, do it.
Speaker 1: R Kelly Chaos. Uh, that's just as Chicago is just
Speaker 1: so unfortunate. And that's a whole another you don't even
Speaker 1: have to explain. Um, and ya got me on the spot,
Speaker 1: like Stevie, roh, this is gonna be a curveball. I
Speaker 1: might lose a lot of people here, but I gotta
Speaker 1: just beat music. Sold job Bronna lose nobody, no one
Speaker 1: that you didn't lose nobody in this room, cold bloody.
Speaker 1: And I'm putting my brother to Tank number five. Let's go,
Speaker 1: come on, come on, if it was a fifth, we
Speaker 1: all beat close it down with my motherfucking brother, motherfucking right.
Speaker 1: Let me tell you, Let me tell you that I
Speaker 1: can't explain to you the like the the shock that
Speaker 1: I feel with people when they're like thinking, you know
Speaker 1: Tank in real life, that's a thing that's a thing
Speaker 1: all in together in itself and that love and respect
Speaker 1: that you have the true fans of R and B.
Speaker 1: Bro blesses me, bro that blesses me dog. And it doesn't.
Speaker 1: It doesn't allow me to take this for granted. You
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying for real, Appreciate, appreciate Top five
Speaker 1: R and B songs, all time songs. Now Donald Jones
Speaker 1: where I want to be? Kick it off? Kick it off?
Speaker 1: He left his bag? Oh my god. Tough message. You
Speaker 1: don't have to message. This is a curveball, but I
Speaker 1: gotta put it in here. Um when we're deep in
Speaker 1: the crevices. This is um music, soul child, previous cats, right.
Speaker 1: I know that's like a way what are you talking about?
Speaker 1: But it's a good orientation song for relationships and reminding
Speaker 1: people to love like you've never been hurt because people
Speaker 1: bring a lot of baggage in the relationship music. So
Speaker 1: chat on that song. First things, First, girl recognized who
Speaker 1: is with you now? Second thing, you can't blame me
Speaker 1: for how you were treated before I came, So it
Speaker 1: really pushes towards that song was musically yeah, previous can't
Speaker 1: love like you've never been heard UM songs and I'm
Speaker 1: not I'm not gonna overthink. I'm gonna go Dave Hollister.
Speaker 1: Seeing you reminds me of Wow, all the nights that
Speaker 1: you still beating it up, man, get it. Yeah, come on,
Speaker 1: then I'm gonna go to my O. G. C. T.
Speaker 1: Carl Thomas. You have me on some Mike right now.
Speaker 1: Shout out to the guy, the guy, and let me
Speaker 1: tell you about my God. To tell you about Mike Cities.
Speaker 1: Because when I was a when I was in college
Speaker 1: at Columbia, they sent me out here for six weeks
Speaker 1: in two thousand and five, four the semester in l
Speaker 1: a program and one of my big homies out here.
Speaker 1: It's like, y'all want to take you this show. I
Speaker 1: want you want, I want you to introduce you to somebody.
Speaker 1: It was damn there and make a wish kid. He
Speaker 1: got a lot of moments, bro, They snuck him into
Speaker 1: the program. He was supposed to being like man a
Speaker 1: while too. It's got a while too, b because that
Speaker 1: the same teach you that hired me the project, the
Speaker 1: same teach that high I definitely get fired. But when
Speaker 1: I first got there, he was so mean. Bro. This
Speaker 1: man said, I don't know why they do this to me.
Speaker 1: Every semester and put a hunted students in this class.
Speaker 1: When I'm gonna fail eighty of you, and if I'm lucky,
Speaker 1: two years from now, I'll be able to send one
Speaker 1: of you to l A to represent the school. But
Speaker 1: what I won't do is let anybody in here embarrass
Speaker 1: the school. Two years later, I was the one Wow.
Speaker 1: And so when I came out here and make a
Speaker 1: Wish Coast Wow. When I came out here, they took
Speaker 1: me a Mike City studio and this is when Jojo died.
Speaker 1: Jojo was going and so I remember Mike planning about
Speaker 1: five records in in a row that made me want
Speaker 1: to stop producing. So I was like, oh never, Bean
Speaker 1: looks good. Yeah, and looked. Then he played one that
Speaker 1: was like kind of I and it was so encouraging.
Speaker 1: You know what, everyone makes mistakes? How to do that?
Speaker 1: I was like, I got I gotta be second dude. Wait,
Speaker 1: so you're not perfect, so it's possible and it you
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying, let me know, like the law
Speaker 1: averages how to go. So anyway, so yeah, shout to
Speaker 1: Mike City for real, for real? Four now, one more,
Speaker 1: one more r and b mm hmm mmmm uh let's
Speaker 1: suppose some to Joe to see in there. Take my money,
Speaker 1: my house, not card for you. You can't have it all, babe,
Speaker 1: because make it. Tell me, dude, this girl is worsting
Speaker 1: toru what because I'm an addict WU and you know
Speaker 1: that I can't leave you on you got me? Man?
Speaker 1: My god? Yeah him him, my god, sex him. Okay, Okay,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna do that's great. That was really good with
Speaker 1: that one. Yeah. Yeah, oh my god. Who bro he
Speaker 1: was a master. He was a master master producer. That's
Speaker 1: why I start calling myself coach like he's my hero.
Speaker 1: He's a man. He was a master for producer. Okay,
Speaker 1: we're making a voltron, making an R and B votron
Speaker 1: vocals style, performance, style and passion. Who you getting the
Speaker 1: vocals from Mike Michael Jackson? And if Mike wasn't available
Speaker 1: in Whitney, m you can't do that. But that's fine.
Speaker 1: I'll let you do that. It's fine. Um style what
Speaker 1: you want your artists to drip? Like? Who like a
Speaker 1: fashion stamp? Yeah for sure? Yeah, what's the aesthetic? Throw
Speaker 1: it on? Come on, man, Wh're gonna put it on April?
Speaker 1: May you know what I mean? You know, you know
Speaker 1: who's gonna put yeah, but who's so what are you
Speaker 1: looking for? An artist? Artist? That's a style that you artists.
Speaker 1: We shot out some stylis and you know who behind
Speaker 1: the drip, but who's gonna put it on them? It's
Speaker 1: I don't know if this is gonna work, but I
Speaker 1: gotta throw it out there. Rick James, Oh, absolutely work.
Speaker 1: You mean I tried to dress like Rick James wants
Speaker 1: you gotta be Rick James, addressed like Brick James. This.
Speaker 1: He was hurting for like a week, hurt he performed
Speaker 1: what what show was that? What's that show called? He
Speaker 1: perform this? Rick James? No, no, no, The brother was
Speaker 1: hurt for like at least a couple of days performing
Speaker 1: eels bro in the boot, in the in the high
Speaker 1: boot tights, the whole nine. And it was only Rick
Speaker 1: can do Rick? All right, you realize that's rock star ship. Yeah? OK,
Speaker 1: I like that, Mike, Rick James, Jesus Christ. I see
Speaker 1: where you're going. Not in the ro who you want
Speaker 1: to get like on stage? Who do you want to
Speaker 1: take that front? Performance style? Style? Performance style. The quick answer,
Speaker 1: quick and dirty is going back to Mike again, because
Speaker 1: from a performing standpoint. Yeah, but for the sake of
Speaker 1: this and moving around Chris Brown voice like Michael Jackson,
Speaker 1: close like Rick James perform like Chris Brown. That's all
Speaker 1: over the place, because Yeah, I love it, backflip in
Speaker 1: the bus with no problem with and with whose passion? Yeah,
Speaker 1: who's passion? Whose hard passion? James Brown? Hey, this is
Speaker 1: a killer James Brown. This is a killer is well
Speaker 1: huh you know, yeah, all of that. I need that stink.
Speaker 1: I need that holland ugly. I need to yeah him
Speaker 1: as a music director, because that's like damn in my
Speaker 1: new twists, right, like bringing my musicians in and really
Speaker 1: getting into the live show. I feel like, you know,
Speaker 1: being in the studio all this time, never being on
Speaker 1: tour and never really getting a chance to like really
Speaker 1: just share and get my musician bag. I'm studying James.
Speaker 1: I'm about to do a whole case study on James
Speaker 1: Brown and that performance in the band and the hits
Speaker 1: and that musicality. I need that. He was the only one.
Speaker 1: I need that. James was one of one, even musically,
Speaker 1: he was one of one. Nobody's ever even thought to that,
Speaker 1: Yeah he thought about it. You gotta leave all of
Speaker 1: that alone. This man woke up one day and said
Speaker 1: saying loud, I'm blocking, I'm proud like music. That the
Speaker 1: thing about this music is just gonna outlive us. Bro,
Speaker 1: that's the part that's gonna outlive us. So the responsibility
Speaker 1: that we have to do what we need to do
Speaker 1: during this very short period that we have this opportunity
Speaker 1: to go ahead and and and tap into what legacy
Speaker 1: is gonna look like for our family tree, Bro, talk
Speaker 1: about it. It's a huge, huge responsibility. Bro, sot have
Speaker 1: a little balance, you know. But that's I'm glad you
Speaker 1: said that. Though I'm glad you said that, I'm super
Speaker 1: glad you stop, because Yo, it's so funny. We had
Speaker 1: the show last week. We had a show this week
Speaker 1: last week, and I prayed before the show, and when
Speaker 1: I was done praying with the musicians before the show,
Speaker 1: feel smarter. As said, So you said you want people
Speaker 1: to see and feel God after we play ass ass
Speaker 1: ass And just like he mumbled back, because he was
Speaker 1: like walking to the keyboard, I was like, come on,
Speaker 1: come on, but but you're right. Look. I put out
Speaker 1: my my debut EP as an artist last year called
Speaker 1: Truth Serum and Hello World, Hello, world. But look King's
Speaker 1: right featuring Interest Elbow. And when I when I was
Speaker 1: approaching the artist album, I was thinking about Assid Kakekake
Speaker 1: Cake and one Time for the Birthday Bitch and Little
Speaker 1: Booties Matter and all the whole ratchet department. You actually
Speaker 1: have records that are going to play forever, forever, One
Speaker 1: time for the birthday and time for it dud Trap
Speaker 1: back dude, Monster Production, And let me tell you something.
Speaker 1: That song was done. Trap came to the studio and
Speaker 1: was like, yeah, I got this song I did with
Speaker 1: my homie. It's just could you could you put the
Speaker 1: beat on steroids? Did you put the beat on steroids
Speaker 1: for me? And he played the song for me and
Speaker 1: I was like this, I did the same thing when
Speaker 1: you played it for me. I was like, man, what man?
Speaker 1: That man? It's your birthday again? One time to play
Speaker 1: a birthday every single day, because two times for the
Speaker 1: birthday didn't fuck it up. If it's your birthday, bitch,
Speaker 1: I said, bro, do you have to file for that?
Speaker 1: I could not work on that track fast enough. And
Speaker 1: that man brought his first platinum record to Jacksonville. Man
Speaker 1: shout out to track backum man, that's just person Platinum.
Speaker 1: I know you've done enough good in these streets. Man,
Speaker 1: It's it's gonna be all right. It's gonna be all right.
Speaker 1: It's gonna gonna be all right. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1: Your balance is good. But while we're you know, we're
Speaker 1: here and we're talking about the goods you've done in
Speaker 1: the streets, we also have this important segment of the show.
Speaker 1: It's very important. It's card I ain't saying on names.
Speaker 1: And for the people who have just tuned in for
Speaker 1: the first time, it's a story that you tell us
Speaker 1: that gonna be either funny, are fucked up. Are funny
Speaker 1: and fucked up. The only rule to the game is
Speaker 1: you can't say no names. Cool cool, This is co signs.
Speaker 1: I ain't saying on name. I ain't saying names. Um,
Speaker 1: back to the state where you are, moment um. You're
Speaker 1: gonna put us in it where you are. So I
Speaker 1: wrote and produced that record, but the inspiration behind that
Speaker 1: record was me being in the studio, how having a
Speaker 1: TV on and seeing a young tender. You know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying that I used to I used to see,
Speaker 1: we used to, we used to date. Now she's on
Speaker 1: Jimmy Fallon and the first thing that I wanted to
Speaker 1: do what's called her because she was with the fake congratulations, yeah,
Speaker 1: because you live on another level. I was just I
Speaker 1: was just you know, I just wanted to make sure
Speaker 1: you knew. I always knew you was gonna make Jimmy fay.
Speaker 1: And she used to smoke weed before I started smoking weed,
Speaker 1: So I want to tell her, and you know, so
Speaker 1: if I beat the allergy, so so if you want
Speaker 1: to smoke together, you know, I'm here and I'm going
Speaker 1: through all these emotions looking at her her glory, and
Speaker 1: I said, nope, you know what, turning over a new leaf.
Speaker 1: Stay where you are. And that's where that line just
Speaker 1: keeps shining in my face, Like coach, it's certain. There's
Speaker 1: certain moments that ain't no going back. It was a
Speaker 1: moment in time I see shining baby, drive me crazy,
Speaker 1: and it's but just keep shining baby, riding up on
Speaker 1: some real player. I kept it. That was not pushing sand,
Speaker 1: you push pushing. That's a great collaborative, you know what.
Speaker 1: To a lot of the fellas out there, that's some
Speaker 1: real grown man ship. You missed your beat, Yeah, you
Speaker 1: just missed it. And after you stopped fucking with her.
Speaker 1: She was able to. She glowed up. She glowed up.
Speaker 1: She's to find it. Then you have to respect that
Speaker 1: from afar because if you get too close, it might
Speaker 1: do something to you too, especially if I'm a new nigger.
Speaker 1: You bet not you know what bad not pushing. This
Speaker 1: is part two of not saying no names. Right. So, uh,
Speaker 1: there was a situation where I did get too close.
Speaker 1: Of course you did. There's another situation. Another young lady
Speaker 1: was now because my sister said that ship. She was like,
Speaker 1: it's crazy. It just seemed like all women just glow
Speaker 1: up once they stopped working with you. I was like,
Speaker 1: you know how you you know how your sister just
Speaker 1: get that offend, hurt, hurt. I couldn't even say that back.
Speaker 1: There was no fight back from me. She laughs, crazy cursing.
Speaker 1: So anyway, I see this young lady, she's in her glow,
Speaker 1: and in my mind, I'm like, enough time has gone
Speaker 1: past to where you know what I'm saying. And look,
Speaker 1: And it wasn't even like I was trying to leave
Speaker 1: her alone, coach. I just was gonna give her hug
Speaker 1: and say congratulations. She pushed me because she punched you.
Speaker 1: She pushed me. She pushed you at the Awards series.
Speaker 1: Are you really try to go in for a hub?
Speaker 1: You said, because you when you say it, don't go
Speaker 1: too close. I was like, oh yeah, because because I
Speaker 1: wanted to go out thinking about it. She gave you that,
Speaker 1: and and so immediately I just started scanning the room
Speaker 1: to see if anybody. So immediately it was like what
Speaker 1: I'm saying, just walking, just walk. It's not sweet. It's
Speaker 1: not sweet. And I'm still mad. Dress off. I'm saying it.
Speaker 1: Stay where you are, stays you are you are, don't pressing, coach,
Speaker 1: don't pressing, don't press in. Would she go up? Oh? Ship,
Speaker 1: if he go up? Right? It is what it is.
Speaker 1: Let it be. You understand what you're saying, because it's
Speaker 1: it's it's probably better without you. Life, it's probably better
Speaker 1: without you. Oh my god. Everybody ain't for everybody. Everybody
Speaker 1: ain't for everybody. And some relationships are just for a season.
Speaker 1: The season you get what you needed that you get,
Speaker 1: you get your harvest of that season. They get the
Speaker 1: harvest of that season. You take your you know, you
Speaker 1: take your harvest and you go with it, keep it
Speaker 1: and whoever whoever that's supposed to feed next, that's what
Speaker 1: that is. Yeah, thank me for that. Yet somewhere enjoying
Speaker 1: the goodness. Welcome. Make sure you make sure you're telling
Speaker 1: them because if you find, if you find you a
Speaker 1: good one man, they do some good things for you.
Speaker 1: Those are new things, just like whoever taught you that.
Speaker 1: Come on, thank you, Come on, come on, nan man.
Speaker 1: You ain't gotta say it out loud. Just you seem
Speaker 1: to see me in the club by this man. Because
Speaker 1: you know what, though I can say this though honestly
Speaker 1: in relationships, I can't handle the truth of your past.
Speaker 1: So what that means is, let's just say hypothetically, you know,
Speaker 1: I use use my wife as an example. Say we
Speaker 1: go to dinner somewhere and there's a guy that she
Speaker 1: used to do everything with. I want to know my
Speaker 1: mario is, let me enjoy my steak, Let me enjoy,
Speaker 1: Let me enjoy. If we're cracking jokes, let me and
Speaker 1: let me go home and sleep and let me live
Speaker 1: and die. And I don't because in past situations, think
Speaker 1: about this situation, this young lady, and I can't. I
Speaker 1: gotta be light on the details. But let's just say
Speaker 1: once we was good and and in it we had
Speaker 1: an honest conversation. We were in the park. We're in
Speaker 1: the park, and I instantly had to boo boo when
Speaker 1: I heard when she starts the truth, noticed right away
Speaker 1: I was in the park lot in this because I
Speaker 1: remember the parks of I couldn't just be like, I'm
Speaker 1: going to bathroom. I remember being outside like wait, how
Speaker 1: how old were you? And how old was he? And
Speaker 1: you did what? And you were spending and all the details,
Speaker 1: bro the details, and I can't you can't go back.
Speaker 1: So a lot of brothers, y'all, these relationships with these ladies,
Speaker 1: worrying about the wrong fucking things. You got to know.
Speaker 1: It's just your turn now telling me. So I'm gonna
Speaker 1: previous cats, pous cats. I just think that don't walk
Speaker 1: me in Nowhere Blind. I want to be blind. I
Speaker 1: want to but he with the lady. I want to,
Speaker 1: like what the movie, Don't walk Me in Nowhere black,
Speaker 1: because because the past doesn't doesn't bother me. Just don't
Speaker 1: just don't let the past be be used against me. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna need to know why I nigger shook my
Speaker 1: hand that way? Yeah? Period? Yeah, why do you keep
Speaker 1: staying over here? That was a different kind of embrace. Yeah,
Speaker 1: don't let trouble beat you up. Yeah yeah, I don't care,
Speaker 1: but the's gonna change no dynamics. So let me get
Speaker 1: this right. No Name, Part three three, first ever on
Speaker 1: the Rybody podcast Keep going three names right Um talking
Speaker 1: to uh this young lady about a situation that had
Speaker 1: just occurred, right, and it had threw me off because
Speaker 1: the handshake, the greeting, everything she's speaking of. Because I
Speaker 1: was going to ask you for an example what you're
Speaker 1: talking about, But now I realize what the example was.
Speaker 1: So I'm telling her just like, yeah, you know, he was.
Speaker 1: He was with his homies. They was laughing, and I
Speaker 1: just didn't understand, Like that's crazy. I've been knowing him
Speaker 1: for some time. And she goes, Marco's it only happened once,
Speaker 1: And what I tell you, I'll tell you that is
Speaker 1: the farthest thing from my mind. I'm venting about my
Speaker 1: day in life. This is just my day marks It
Speaker 1: only happened once, alright in it it's not like how
Speaker 1: many you are. I was like, wait, wait, she told
Speaker 1: herself like the niggle House and Dragon she told on herself. Wait,
Speaker 1: I said, wait, you did what with hem? Yo. I
Speaker 1: was boiling. Oh yo, yo, I had to get out
Speaker 1: of here. Bro, I had to to get out of there. Man,
Speaker 1: no more, no nation. It's three and I feel like,
Speaker 1: did you keep telling these stories? I don't want you
Speaker 1: to go back down. Yo, you're traumatized. God, man, it's
Speaker 1: a great way. Oh my god, Oh my god. Bro. Listen,
Speaker 1: um ship I don't know my name at this point.
Speaker 1: Oh Ja Valentine and this and this has been the
Speaker 1: Army Money podcast. This has been interesting. Um listen, listen,
Speaker 1: man um for for lock. What is the blowback? Oh,
Speaker 1: this is gonna be People will be trying to figure
Speaker 1: out the characters. The only thing I can say at
Speaker 1: the end of this, my brother, is that we love you.
Speaker 1: You are really our famis and that's it. We love
Speaker 1: you and we will always appreciate you. And you already
Speaker 1: know the where I love I love you brothers more. There,
Speaker 1: I love you brothers more. Thank you for having me. Man.
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