WEBVTT - Your Mom’s Cousin’s Dog with Emily Ehman

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<v Speaker 1>Welcome to good Game with Sarah Spain, where we can't

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<v Speaker 1>stop looking at photos and videos of Wilma Jean Wrinkles

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<v Speaker 1>celebrating Rose levels one hundred caps at the US women's

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<v Speaker 1>national team game on Wednesday. On today's show, we'll be

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<v Speaker 1>battling whatever the hell evil virus is inhabbiting my body

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<v Speaker 1>while talking all things college volleyball with Emily Emont, former

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<v Speaker 1>Northwestern libero and current broadcaster, reporter and producer. Plus some

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<v Speaker 1>first time goals, injuries that provide context, and tons of

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<v Speaker 1>puppy love. It's all coming up right after this Welcome

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<v Speaker 1>back slices. Here's what you need to know today. In soccer,

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<v Speaker 1>the US women's national team wrapped up the international window

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<v Speaker 1>against Argentina on Wednesday night. Center Back Naomi Germa scored

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<v Speaker 1>her first international goal and then her second in the

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<v Speaker 1>three nail win, with Argentina also contributing an own goal.

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<v Speaker 1>The US women's national team debuted a time totally new lineup,

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<v Speaker 1>with only three regulars starting the game, and goalkeeper Mandy

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<v Speaker 1>HoTT and defenders Eva Gatino and Alyssa Milanson starting and

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<v Speaker 1>earning their first caps at the same time and of

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<v Speaker 1>the game, Rose level was honored for her one hundredth cap,

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<v Speaker 1>which she achieved back in June, and she made sure

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<v Speaker 1>her English bulldog, will Ma Jean Wrinkles got her shine too.

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<v Speaker 1>Wilma showed up in Louisville wearing noise canceling headphones and

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<v Speaker 1>roses number sixteen Jersey Even head coach Emma Hayes shouted

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<v Speaker 1>out the pup, saying she was delighted that Rose got

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<v Speaker 1>to be honored quote in front of her family, most

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<v Speaker 1>importantly in front of Wilma. In NWSL news, it's officially

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<v Speaker 1>the last weekend of the regular season and teams are

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<v Speaker 1>still fighting for position in the playoffs. The top eight

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<v Speaker 1>teams advance, and right now there's a battle at the

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<v Speaker 1>bottom of the table. The number seven, eight and number

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<v Speaker 1>nine teams Portland Thorns, BFC and Racing Louisville are fighting

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<v Speaker 1>for the final two playoff spots. Portland and BAFC control

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<v Speaker 1>their destinies. Both teams secure a spot with a win

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<v Speaker 1>or a draw, regardless of what else happens. If either

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<v Speaker 1>team loses, well, that's where things get interesting and the

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<v Speaker 1>door opens for Racing Louisville to nab that last spot.

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<v Speaker 1>If Bay loses and Louisville wins. Louisville is in full stop.

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<v Speaker 1>Portland's currently beating Racing Louisville by three in goal differential,

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<v Speaker 1>so if Portland loses and Louisville wins, Racing also needs

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<v Speaker 1>to defend well and score some goals to close that

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<v Speaker 1>gap in advance. Wait, there's still more. The Washington Spirit, GOTHAMFC,

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<v Speaker 1>and Kansas City Current have all clinched spots, but they

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<v Speaker 1>could finish second, third, or fourth depending on how the

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<v Speaker 1>weekend goes. And the Chicago Red Stars. That club sits

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<v Speaker 1>at number six right now, but could finish as low

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<v Speaker 1>as the eighth spot. It's a lot, we know, which

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<v Speaker 1>is why we're going to link to our fave data

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<v Speaker 1>viz wiz Alison Gale's playoff scenario breakdowns in our show notes.

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<v Speaker 1>All the action starts tonight with GOTHAMFC paying a visit

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<v Speaker 1>to the Utah Royals at nine to thirty pm Eastern

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<v Speaker 1>on NWSL Plus and Portland hosting Angel City at ten

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<v Speaker 1>pm Eastern on Prime V. On Saturday, we got three games.

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<v Speaker 1>We'll be paying special attention to BAFC at the Houston

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<v Speaker 1>Dash on Ion at nine thirty pm Eastern and Finally,

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<v Speaker 1>on Sunday, two games, including a potentially pivotal matchup between

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<v Speaker 1>Racing Louisville and the San Diego Wave at five thirty

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<v Speaker 1>pm Eastern on ESPN and ESPN plus some WNBA news.

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<v Speaker 1>ESPN's Alexa Philippoo reported that New York Liberty stars Sabrina

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<v Speaker 1>and Escu sustained a hand injury during Game four of

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<v Speaker 1>the WNBA Finals. Per Philipoo, it was a high grade

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<v Speaker 1>ulner collateral ligament tear on her right hand aka her

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<v Speaker 1>shooting hand. Unescu went on to shoot one for nineteen

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<v Speaker 1>in the decisive Game five, with New York still managing

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<v Speaker 1>to pull out the win. Since lifting the trophy, Unescu

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<v Speaker 1>has been spotted with her hand wrapped and a splint

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<v Speaker 1>on her thumb. We'll link to the full ESPN story

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<v Speaker 1>in our show notes. In volleyball News, we got a

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<v Speaker 1>huge matchup on deck tonight between number two Nebraska and

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<v Speaker 1>number seven Wisconsin. The Badgers host their Big Ten rivals

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<v Speaker 1>at nine pm Eastern on Big Ten Network. We'll talk

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<v Speaker 1>more about the history between those teams, and we'll preview

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<v Speaker 1>that game with Emily Emon in just a few minutes.

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<v Speaker 1>In the meantime, a pretty cool moment for the Wisconsin squad.

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<v Speaker 1>Ahead of that game, Vice President Kamala Harris spent some

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<v Speaker 1>time with the Badger's team while stopping in Madison for

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<v Speaker 1>one of her final rallies before election day. So awesome

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<v Speaker 1>and a great time to remind you once again to

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<v Speaker 1>make your voting plan. Election day is Tuesday, November fifth.

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<v Speaker 1>We got to pay the bills when we come back.

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<v Speaker 1>We talked college volleyball with Emily Emon. She's a former

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<v Speaker 1>Northwestern volleyball player, a sports broadcaster for ESPN and Big

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<v Speaker 1>Ten Network, and reporter and producer for Volleyball mag dot com.

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<v Speaker 1>She's a diehard Hoosiers fan, a Southern barbecue plate, hates

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<v Speaker 1>this see year coming, and she's determined to run, hike, canoe, bike,

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<v Speaker 1>skifish and whitewater raft her way through life. It's Emily Emon.

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<v Speaker 1>What's up, Emily? I good.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm excited to be here. That was heck of an intro.

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<v Speaker 2>Let's go.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. I saw those pictures of those barbecue plates and

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<v Speaker 1>some proof of the skiing, canoeing, hiking, biking triathlon. And

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<v Speaker 1>you're very active. You played volleyball at Northwestern quite recently actually,

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<v Speaker 1>but things have already changed so much in the college

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<v Speaker 1>and pro space in the sport since you graduated. What

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<v Speaker 1>stands out to you about the growth of volleyball lately?

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<v Speaker 1>The growth of volleyball has been exponential. It's crazy thinking

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<v Speaker 1>back to when I played. I mean, I graduated in

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<v Speaker 1>twenty twenty, and.

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<v Speaker 2>The growth that this sport has seen is astronomical. From

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<v Speaker 2>a viewership standpoint, we've seen the most viewed matches ever

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<v Speaker 2>happen every single year. The networks are getting more viewers

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<v Speaker 2>every year, the matches are getting more eyeballs on them.

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<v Speaker 2>And then from an attendance standpoint, I mean, we're breaking

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<v Speaker 2>records left and right. You know, most people saw last

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<v Speaker 2>season Nebraska volleyball packed ninety two thousand people into a

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<v Speaker 2>football stadium. But it's not even just that big event.

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<v Speaker 2>It's been happening at every single school. It feels like

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<v Speaker 2>every week we've seen attendance records all So, thinking back

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<v Speaker 2>to when I played, it's been crazy to see the

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<v Speaker 2>growth of the sport in really growth of coverage in

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<v Speaker 2>the sport, to see more resources thrown in. The NCAA

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<v Speaker 2>tournament has become a bigger deal with more coverage every

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<v Speaker 2>single year, So those have just been a few things

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<v Speaker 2>that have been crazy night and day from even four

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<v Speaker 2>years ago, and I played, Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean it's the benefit of streaming more spaces for

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<v Speaker 1>things to air, but also just investment and coverage and

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<v Speaker 1>care for people to learn the stories and learn about

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<v Speaker 1>the players and teams and then want to come back

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<v Speaker 1>and watch more. And it's really been noticeable in attendance

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<v Speaker 1>and ratings and all those numbers. I want to set

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<v Speaker 1>the stage for this season of college volleyball, tell us

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<v Speaker 1>which teams are this year's standouts.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh, it's been so exciting. What's been really fun about

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<v Speaker 2>this year is there has been since the beginning of

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<v Speaker 2>the season more upsets than we've ever seen. But there's

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<v Speaker 2>also been a lot of dominance. So, for example, They've

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<v Speaker 2>been the number one team for essentially it feels like

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<v Speaker 2>the entire year for now. They went almost I think

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<v Speaker 2>seven weeks without losing a single set. So this is

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<v Speaker 2>a program that has been on the rise for a

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<v Speaker 2>few years. They're the number one team and they look

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<v Speaker 2>like it. And then there's Nebraska, who has won five

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<v Speaker 2>national championships. They are always a perennial powerhouse and in

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<v Speaker 2>contention for an NCAA title. They're definitely up there. Penn

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<v Speaker 2>State has been doing a phenomenal job, which has been

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<v Speaker 2>so exciting for that program. Of the dominance that we

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<v Speaker 2>saw about ten years ago continue to get better and

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<v Speaker 2>better under a new head coach and Katie Schumacher Colli,

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<v Speaker 2>who took over for the legendary Russ Rose. Louisville's been fantastic.

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<v Speaker 2>Stanford's been great. It's been really fun to see Creighton

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<v Speaker 2>really come up. This is a team that has a

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<v Speaker 2>really veteran core and their coach, Kirshenberg Galbooth, is one

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<v Speaker 2>of the best in the country, and it's been fun

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<v Speaker 2>to see that program now get their highest ranking in

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<v Speaker 2>program history. They've held onto that sixth spot for a

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<v Speaker 2>while now and then kind of a I don't want

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<v Speaker 2>to say dark horse because they're always in contention, but

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<v Speaker 2>Wisconsin has been doing a really good job as of late.

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<v Speaker 2>They dropped their first three matches of the season, lost

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<v Speaker 2>their first conference match to Minnesota, and since then have

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<v Speaker 2>been absolutely rolling. So those are kind of the top

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<v Speaker 2>ones right now that we're looking at that I would say,

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<v Speaker 2>I mean there's about six seven teams right now that

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<v Speaker 2>I think could contend for a national title, which in

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<v Speaker 2>years past hasn't always been the case.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it's really fun to see a bit more parody

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<v Speaker 1>in a sport that's had the kind of front runners

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<v Speaker 1>for a couple years or for decades in the case

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<v Speaker 1>of some of the programs. When you talk about some

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<v Speaker 1>of the programs that are newer to the top, how

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<v Speaker 1>does that happen in college volleyball? Is it one superstar

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<v Speaker 1>that helps change the fortunes of a team and then

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<v Speaker 1>it allows them to recruit better players in the years

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<v Speaker 1>after that. Is it a coach, is an investment from

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<v Speaker 1>the school? Is there a through line that you can

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<v Speaker 1>find to how teams sort of turn things over from

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<v Speaker 1>middle of the pack to joining those teams at the top.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, to be honest, a lot of it does come

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<v Speaker 2>down to coaching, and not even just their coaching, but

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<v Speaker 2>really those ability and that ability to get better recruits.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, you have one good year and all of

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<v Speaker 2>a sudden, maybe you're flipping a few of those recruits

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<v Speaker 2>that are freshman sophomores in high school that are going

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<v Speaker 2>to come up through the program later. So a lot

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<v Speaker 2>of that does start at the coaching level, and it

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<v Speaker 2>helps when you get you know, some superstar into your program,

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<v Speaker 2>that's definitely going to turn a few heads. But for example,

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<v Speaker 2>for a program like Pitt, you know, that was a

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<v Speaker 2>team that was always in contention for an ACC title.

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<v Speaker 2>They've won it so many years now, but now we've

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<v Speaker 2>seen them make three final fours in the past, and

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<v Speaker 2>that really started with their head coach, Dan Fisher coming

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<v Speaker 2>in and just changing the way that his program thought

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<v Speaker 2>about success. You know, it's really difficult to come into

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<v Speaker 2>a culture, not that this was the case with Pitt,

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<v Speaker 2>but really any culture that isn't used to winning and

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<v Speaker 2>flip that switch with the athletes of Okay, we're walking

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<v Speaker 2>into these matches that maybe we're playing a top team

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<v Speaker 2>in the country. In the past, we might have just

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<v Speaker 2>handed them the win and come out flat. But it

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<v Speaker 2>really comes from the coach instilling that mindset in their

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<v Speaker 2>athletes of we can not only hang with the top teams,

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<v Speaker 2>but we have the ability to beat them and we're

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<v Speaker 2>not losing from the time we start the match at

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<v Speaker 2>the time we walk in the door.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, for sure, that kind of approach is hard to do,

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<v Speaker 1>but a coach that can do it, that will completely

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<v Speaker 1>change the fortunes of a team going forward. Are there

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<v Speaker 1>any unexpected teams, maybe some true dark horses making waves

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<v Speaker 1>this season that we should keep an eye maybe not

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<v Speaker 1>to win at all, but just it feels like the

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<v Speaker 1>start of a program making a move. Yeah, you know.

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<v Speaker 2>I feel like Creighton is a perfect example of that.

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<v Speaker 2>This is a program that in years past hasn't necessarily

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<v Speaker 2>had the massive names that you might think of. Of course,

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<v Speaker 2>they're not playing in a power conference, so it's obviously

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<v Speaker 2>a little bit different there, but they have some absolute

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<v Speaker 2>ballers on their team. They're not a top five team

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<v Speaker 2>right now, but they absolutely look like they could be.

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<v Speaker 2>They're coached again by one of who I think is

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<v Speaker 2>one of the best coaches in the country, cares in

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<v Speaker 2>birth All Booth, and they have a stud of a setter.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, she can just fling the ball around. She's

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<v Speaker 2>pretty undersized, but honestly probably one of the most athletic

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<v Speaker 2>setters in the entire country that we've seen in a

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<v Speaker 2>really fun outside to watch in. Nora assists that when

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<v Speaker 2>you have one of those X factor players that can

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<v Speaker 2>completely take over and go off for twenty five even

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<v Speaker 2>thirty kills in a match, it changes the way that

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<v Speaker 2>your program's thought about, because you have a player that

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<v Speaker 2>can just absolutely go off, and it's not even norrisis.

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<v Speaker 2>They have a lot of other pieces to that team

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<v Speaker 2>that can take over in different ways. And I would

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<v Speaker 2>say Creighton is a team that probably won't earn a

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<v Speaker 2>top four seed for the NCAA Tournament, meaning they're not

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<v Speaker 2>going to host a regional. But they're not a team

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<v Speaker 2>that you want to see in the regional semis or

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<v Speaker 2>the regional finals because they could absolutely steal one from you.

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<v Speaker 1>Let's talk Big Ten. We're halfway through conference playing. Nebraska

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<v Speaker 1>and Penn State are tied for first at ten, and oh,

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<v Speaker 1>how will their upcoming schedules play a role in who

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<v Speaker 1>might take and hold a lead?

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, it's crazy when you look at the Big

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<v Speaker 2>Ten title race right now you have Nebraska and Penn

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<v Speaker 2>State ten and oh you have Wisconsin right behind them

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<v Speaker 2>at nine to one. But the schedules are drastically different

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<v Speaker 2>when you put them on paper. So Nebraska's schedule is

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<v Speaker 2>heating up and Penn States gets a little bit lighter.

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<v Speaker 2>During Nebraska's first ten matches of Big Ten played, they

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<v Speaker 2>only saw two ranked opponents, and they had both of

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<v Speaker 2>them at home, and Nebraska has probably the best home

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<v Speaker 2>court advantage in all of NCAA volleyball. They sell out

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<v Speaker 2>nine thousand every single night, So when you're not playing

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<v Speaker 2>these ranked teams on the road, it's a massive difference

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<v Speaker 2>for the Nebraska program. So when you look at their

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<v Speaker 2>upcoming schedule, they have five ranked teams left and three

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<v Speaker 2>of those are on the road, so they have an

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<v Speaker 2>insanely tough schedule. Penn State, on the other hand, they

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<v Speaker 2>only have three more ranked opponents and two of them

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<v Speaker 2>are at home, and that's another environment that does really

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<v Speaker 2>make a difference, especially later on in the season when

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<v Speaker 2>there's a lot on the line. So you have two

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<v Speaker 2>teams ten and zero, Penn State has much easier road

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<v Speaker 2>to get there. And then you have a Wisconsin team

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<v Speaker 2>that is heating up at the right time. They lost

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<v Speaker 2>their first match of conference play, but they've really found

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<v Speaker 2>their rhythm. Every single statistical category you look at, I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>they're just exponentially better, leading or second in the conference

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<v Speaker 2>and pretty much everything. They still have five more ranked

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<v Speaker 2>opponents left and three or home, two or away, So

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<v Speaker 2>Wisconsin Nebraska much more difficult schedules than you see from

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<v Speaker 2>this Penn State team that you know it's been about

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<v Speaker 2>seven or eight years since they've won a Big Ten

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<v Speaker 2>title because it's gone to either Wisconsin or Nebraska for

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<v Speaker 2>the past few seasons. So the Nitney Lions feel like

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<v Speaker 2>they're in a good spot potentially to take it this year.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. One of those tests coming up for both Nebraska

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<v Speaker 1>and Wisconsin is when they face each other this weekend,

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<v Speaker 1>a huge matchup. What are the stakes and what are

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<v Speaker 1>the biggest storylines in this one?

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<v Speaker 2>The stakes are great because these two teams for the

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<v Speaker 2>past five seasons have won the Big Ten title. Wisconsin

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<v Speaker 2>won it four of the last five and then Nebraska

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<v Speaker 2>came in last season and kind of took it to

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<v Speaker 2>Wisconsin early on. So that's what's on the line. It's

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<v Speaker 2>a Big Ten title, and what a Big Ten title

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<v Speaker 2>normally means too, is you're earning one of those top

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<v Speaker 2>four seeds to host through the NCAA tournament. That's something

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<v Speaker 2>that selection committee. You know, they're not saying they're specifically

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<v Speaker 2>looking at, but it does make a difference if they're

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<v Speaker 2>winning titles in what is the best conference in college volleyball,

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<v Speaker 2>So you not only have the Big Ten title on

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<v Speaker 2>the line, hosting rights on the line, also these two

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<v Speaker 2>programs just hate each other in a great way. You know,

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<v Speaker 2>it's become this really fun rivalry in college volleyball. Of

0:13:59.600 --> 0:14:01.680
<v Speaker 2>they play against each other. In the twenty twenty one

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<v Speaker 2>NCAA Tournament, it was one of the most epic battles

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<v Speaker 2>that we've ever seen. Wisconsin ended up taking down Nebraska

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<v Speaker 2>in five sets. So you have that on the line.

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<v Speaker 2>We saw last year what was dubbed, you know, the

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<v Speaker 2>greatest college regular season game ever when Nebraska and Wisconsin met.

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<v Speaker 2>It was number one versus number two, undefeated. It was

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<v Speaker 2>a bloodbath, came down to literally the last play. So

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<v Speaker 2>it feels like every time these two teams meet, it's

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<v Speaker 2>a bloodbath. They want to get absolutely after it, and

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<v Speaker 2>it's always created one of the most fun environments in

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<v Speaker 2>college volleyball because also in Madison at the field House,

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, they're rock in that student section. They get

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<v Speaker 2>into it.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, you mentioned that you love covering this particular matchup.

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<v Speaker 1>Take us behind the scenes, tell us what makes it

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<v Speaker 1>so special?

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<v Speaker 2>That's fun. I think it's one of those rivalries that

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<v Speaker 2>it really feels like fans get into just as much

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<v Speaker 2>as the players. You know, on Twitter, you see constant

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<v Speaker 2>chatters throughout the year, like when Nebraska loses Wisconsin, fans

0:14:57.920 --> 0:14:59.960
<v Speaker 2>are jumping on them and vice versa, which makes it

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<v Speaker 2>is so much fun. The atmosphere of this match, it

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<v Speaker 2>feels like a national championship in a way because it

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<v Speaker 2>also has the level of play and the feel of

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<v Speaker 2>a national championship. So I mean, behind the scenes, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>you're talking to the coaches, you're talking to the players.

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<v Speaker 2>They have a different focus coming into this match than

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<v Speaker 2>at least what I've seen in the past from them

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<v Speaker 2>coming into different matchups. This one means just a little

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<v Speaker 2>bit more because the stakes are so high and because

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<v Speaker 2>the level of play is so high on both sides.

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<v Speaker 1>I love when you talk to athletes, they'll often be like,

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<v Speaker 1>we just take it one game at a time. They

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<v Speaker 1>all matter, and it's like, you're live. Have you circled

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<v Speaker 1>us on the calendar When the season starts, you get

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<v Speaker 1>up for this and it's so fun to watch. We're

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<v Speaker 1>going to make sure we put in the show notes

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<v Speaker 1>where people can watch that, and now that they've got

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<v Speaker 1>the storylines, it'll be all the more fun to catch

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<v Speaker 1>that on television and watch those teams go at it.

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<v Speaker 1>What do you think the best college volleyball atmosphere in

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<v Speaker 1>the game is is it still in Nebraska?

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<v Speaker 2>Oh? Best atmosphere? Yeah, it's Nebraska. You know, they have

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<v Speaker 2>the greatest home court advantage in NCUBA volleyball. There are

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<v Speaker 2>nine thousand fans consecutively sold out for the past I

0:16:05.440 --> 0:16:08.000
<v Speaker 2>think they're nearing it on three hundred and fifty sellouts,

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<v Speaker 2>which is the longest streak in Division one athletics, not

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<v Speaker 2>even just women's volleyball, Division one women's athletics. So that's

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<v Speaker 2>been so fun to see for this program and the

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<v Speaker 2>support that they get. And there might be environments that

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<v Speaker 2>are maybe a little bit louder. For example, if you're

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<v Speaker 2>at Texas, that's one of the craziest environments. If you're

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<v Speaker 2>playing in a really top team Perdue, they only pack

0:16:28.440 --> 0:16:31.520
<v Speaker 2>twenty five hundred people into Holloway Gym, But that's one

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<v Speaker 2>of the loudest environments that I've ever been a part of.

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<v Speaker 2>But there's something special about Nebraska and just the love

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<v Speaker 2>that those fans have for the sport because they're there

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<v Speaker 2>to watch of course Nebraska, but they also just love volleyball.

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<v Speaker 2>They are really intelligent about the sport. They understand what

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<v Speaker 2>high level volleyball is and so to me that makes

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<v Speaker 2>it the greatest in ncublea volleyball.

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<v Speaker 1>Is there a surprising place that's kind of taking big

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<v Speaker 1>leaps or becoming a big draw.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's been really fun to see over the last

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<v Speaker 2>I would say two or three years, because we're seeing

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<v Speaker 2>that those kind of situations pop up around the country

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<v Speaker 2>where maybe it wasn't a place that had a big

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<v Speaker 2>volleyball job before but now it is, or they're just

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<v Speaker 2>getting more fans there. I mean to be honest, every

0:17:14.960 --> 0:17:18.359
<v Speaker 2>week it feels like we're seeing records broken again. I

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<v Speaker 2>would say a place that you maybe wouldn't think of

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<v Speaker 2>as having a great volleyball atmosphere is Purdue and West Offia.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, again, it's not the most daunting crowd, it's

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<v Speaker 2>only twenty five hundred, but for the big matches they

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<v Speaker 2>always sell out. And I think they have the best

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<v Speaker 2>student section. Yeah, best dodent section in the country. I

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<v Speaker 2>mean they know everything about you, you know, they know

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<v Speaker 2>your mom's cousins, dogs, whatever's name, and they're yelling stuff

0:17:42.000 --> 0:17:44.399
<v Speaker 2>like it's so much fun. They do their homework just

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<v Speaker 2>as much as feels like the players in the court

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<v Speaker 2>do so that's a place, you know, if you're in

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<v Speaker 2>the Midwest in the area, touch a volleyball match there

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<v Speaker 2>because it's a load of fun.

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<v Speaker 1>Another big storyline this season in college volleyball has been

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<v Speaker 1>San Jose State University. Five teams have now forfeited matches

0:17:57.640 --> 0:18:01.280
<v Speaker 1>against the program. They haven't explicitly said why, but reportedly

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<v Speaker 1>the presence of a transgender athlete on the San Jose

0:18:03.680 --> 0:18:06.200
<v Speaker 1>step team is believed to be behind the decisions. San

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<v Speaker 1>Jose has said that every athlete is eligible to play

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<v Speaker 1>based on the rules established by the NCAA and the

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<v Speaker 1>Mountain West Conference. Are you hearing people in college volleyball

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<v Speaker 1>talk about this and how are they reacting to this

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<v Speaker 1>story and the forfeits.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, you know, it's obviously a massive story in CAA

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<v Speaker 2>volleyball right now. I think it's definitely being talked about,

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<v Speaker 2>But I don't know if it's necessarily being talked about

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<v Speaker 2>in the way of you know, x'es and o's volleyball.

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<v Speaker 2>It's more of a political discussion and where people fall

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<v Speaker 2>on that. And obviously everyone has their everyone has their beliefs,

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<v Speaker 2>and both are very valid and I completely understand, but

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<v Speaker 2>I think when it comes down to x's and o's.

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<v Speaker 2>What I think is also important to realize about this is,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, San Jose State isn't necessarily a top team,

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<v Speaker 2>so they're not getting talked about other than this. You know,

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<v Speaker 2>it's not like they're rolling through the conference and that's

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<v Speaker 2>a big, big deal. So I don't know, I think

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<v Speaker 2>it comes down to, at least from my perspective, give

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<v Speaker 2>what your political belief system is and where you fall

0:19:03.920 --> 0:19:07.520
<v Speaker 2>on that line in terms of actual volleyball. No, that

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<v Speaker 2>team and what's happening isn't necessarily being talked about.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it does feel like it's very much being centered

0:19:14.080 --> 0:19:17.480
<v Speaker 1>so that people can use it to argue what has

0:19:17.520 --> 0:19:21.400
<v Speaker 1>become sort of like a political cudgel. It's really unfortunate

0:19:21.440 --> 0:19:23.359
<v Speaker 1>for all the players on that team that aren't able

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<v Speaker 1>to play, and unfortunately because, like you said, that team

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<v Speaker 1>is not dominating in a way that stands out from

0:19:29.640 --> 0:19:33.040
<v Speaker 1>the rest of the volleyball in college and that player

0:19:33.040 --> 0:19:34.919
<v Speaker 1>has been on the team for multiple years without it

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<v Speaker 1>being an issue. So it does feel like it's being

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<v Speaker 1>manipulated for political gain in a way that's really just

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<v Speaker 1>harming the players, not only on that team, but the

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<v Speaker 1>ones that forfeit that don't end up playing matches. You

0:19:44.800 --> 0:19:47.160
<v Speaker 1>only get so much time as an athlete in college.

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<v Speaker 1>You and I both know that as former college athletes,

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<v Speaker 1>and so missing out on those opportunities to compete is

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<v Speaker 1>a real bummer in service of something that frankly, players

0:19:57.080 --> 0:20:00.600
<v Speaker 1>and teams shouldn't be used to argue. We just had

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<v Speaker 1>Cassie Lickman and Molly mckage from AU Volleyball on our show,

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<v Speaker 1>and I know you've worked with AU Volleyball. How are

0:20:07.160 --> 0:20:09.639
<v Speaker 1>you seeing college players be affected by the existence of

0:20:09.680 --> 0:20:12.480
<v Speaker 1>pro leagues like AU and PVF and the upcoming Love

0:20:12.520 --> 0:20:16.480
<v Speaker 1>Pro Volleyball League them seeing that those multiple opportunities exist

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<v Speaker 1>beyond the college game.

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<v Speaker 2>Sarah, It's so cool because when I was in college,

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<v Speaker 2>no one even really thought about playing pro unless you

0:20:23.680 --> 0:20:25.800
<v Speaker 2>are maybe the best on your team. And even so

0:20:26.320 --> 0:20:29.440
<v Speaker 2>you might not even know that pro volleyball exists outside

0:20:29.480 --> 0:20:33.640
<v Speaker 2>the USAGEM. You know, before five years ago, even four,

0:20:33.840 --> 0:20:35.959
<v Speaker 2>three years ago, if you wanted to play, you get

0:20:36.000 --> 0:20:38.080
<v Speaker 2>shifted off to Europe and then you maybe play for

0:20:38.080 --> 0:20:40.480
<v Speaker 2>two or three years, realize it kind of sucks, and you're,

0:20:40.600 --> 0:20:42.000
<v Speaker 2>you know, kind of on an island out there. And

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<v Speaker 2>you come back. The coolest thing ever has been talking

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<v Speaker 2>to these athletes now, and there are so many players

0:20:48.400 --> 0:20:50.320
<v Speaker 2>that say they want to play professionally, they want to

0:20:50.359 --> 0:20:53.160
<v Speaker 2>play for a league in the US, and they now

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<v Speaker 2>know this is an opportunity that either growing up or

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<v Speaker 2>even in high school, those opportunities didn't exist. And now

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<v Speaker 2>there's a clear trajectory of if you want to stay

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<v Speaker 2>in the sport, you know you can play for so

0:21:04.840 --> 0:21:07.440
<v Speaker 2>many years after college and stay in the US, which

0:21:07.760 --> 0:21:10.280
<v Speaker 2>is such a benefit to these players and kind of

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<v Speaker 2>I think it makes them more excited to play at

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<v Speaker 2>the college level because they're getting that exposure to these

0:21:15.520 --> 0:21:17.560
<v Speaker 2>leagues and saying, Okay, I want to play really well.

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<v Speaker 2>Of course for my teams, you know, to win a

0:21:19.119 --> 0:21:22.040
<v Speaker 2>title nationally like whatever it is, but also because you know,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm putting game film out now for these coaches and

0:21:25.280 --> 0:21:27.199
<v Speaker 2>scouts and people that are actually going to see it.

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<v Speaker 2>Whereas you know, if you want to go play in

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<v Speaker 2>Europe or Asia or another league overseas, it was really

0:21:33.520 --> 0:21:36.439
<v Speaker 2>hard to get connected right away, and you're probably unless

0:21:36.440 --> 0:21:38.320
<v Speaker 2>you're a top top player, which is normally not the

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<v Speaker 2>case coming out of college. You're playing on a team

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<v Speaker 2>that is probably pretty average. Maybe a handful of them

0:21:45.400 --> 0:21:47.760
<v Speaker 2>speak English. You might not be able to communicate with

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<v Speaker 2>your teammates, you might be halfway across the world the

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<v Speaker 2>time change that's in. It's not the most ideal situations.

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<v Speaker 2>A lot of college players have better resources than a

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<v Speaker 2>lot of professional players do, so just the conversations have

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<v Speaker 2>been really cool in eye opening to see these college

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<v Speaker 2>athletes now seeing that there's a path for them, and

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<v Speaker 2>watching it on TV and seeing it all over Twitter

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<v Speaker 2>and Instagram and all of these platforms. It has been

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<v Speaker 2>so so cool, even just in the last two seasons,

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<v Speaker 2>to see that as an option for these players.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and you know, NIL allows for the promotion of

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<v Speaker 1>players starting at the collegiate level. We get to hear

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<v Speaker 1>about them and see them, which then helps them try

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<v Speaker 1>to hopefully carry that brand over into the pros. It

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<v Speaker 1>also helps professionalized college players, so young athletes get to

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<v Speaker 1>see players at the college and professional level in advertisements

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<v Speaker 1>on television, in social media. How do you see or

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<v Speaker 1>do you see I guess youth players training differently. We

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<v Speaker 1>were just talking about this at the espnW Summit. High

0:22:46.400 --> 0:22:49.280
<v Speaker 1>school college or basketball players learning how to dunk and

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<v Speaker 1>trying to train to see the things that they're seeing

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<v Speaker 1>at the higher levels that didn't really exist the same

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<v Speaker 1>way in the past because it wasn't visible at the

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<v Speaker 1>highest levels. Is the volleyball actual game changing as a

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<v Speaker 1>result of you being able to see more of the

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<v Speaker 1>upper level players.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, I'm sure it changes just the way that

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<v Speaker 2>these players are learning about the game. For example, when

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<v Speaker 2>I was growing up, you know, there were a handful

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<v Speaker 2>of matches on TV. I remember watching Nebraska and Penn

0:23:14.600 --> 0:23:16.679
<v Speaker 2>State play every year, or of course I was watching,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, the national semifinals in the National Championship, but

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<v Speaker 2>there wasn't a way to really watch the sport the

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<v Speaker 2>same way that little boys grow up and watch NFL

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<v Speaker 2>or you know, the MBA, or now players have access

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<v Speaker 2>to the Wnbabor college basketball. It's very different in volleyball

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<v Speaker 2>because you don't have a way to learn about the

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<v Speaker 2>sport other than playing. So if you're playing a bunch

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<v Speaker 2>of twelve year olds, you know, you only know as

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<v Speaker 2>much as the other twelve year old next to you,

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<v Speaker 2>Whereas now these young players have the ability to watch

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<v Speaker 2>the sport and you know, have analysts and studio people

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<v Speaker 2>break it down for them. And explain to them what's

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<v Speaker 2>happening on the court and what they're seeing, which you know,

0:23:54.880 --> 0:23:56.560
<v Speaker 2>the more you watch something, the more you're going to

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<v Speaker 2>retain and the more you're going to learn about it.

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<v Speaker 2>So I think just the level and that volleyball IQ

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<v Speaker 2>that young players are having is probably exponentially better than

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<v Speaker 2>like when I was playing and growing up, because again,

0:24:08.320 --> 0:24:11.400
<v Speaker 2>I was learning from the twelve, thirteen, fourteen year olds

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<v Speaker 2>that I was playing next to. There wasn't anybody to

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<v Speaker 2>watch and really break it down for me.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and it's kind of strange, but I also feel

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<v Speaker 1>like I'm watching women's college, professional, every level. Really, athletes

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<v Speaker 1>of every sport have a different kind of swagger when

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<v Speaker 1>they play, and it's not just performative and fun to watch,

0:24:33.119 --> 0:24:36.399
<v Speaker 1>but I think it trickles down to the larger like

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<v Speaker 1>your confidence in yourself, your willingness to go all out,

0:24:39.440 --> 0:24:42.680
<v Speaker 1>your desire to be competitive. You're not worried about being

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<v Speaker 1>nice and friendly. You want to win, and being able

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<v Speaker 1>to witness that at the highest levels across women's sport now,

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<v Speaker 1>I think allows younger athletes to be more committed and

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<v Speaker 1>passionate and determined than before, where we didn't used to

0:24:55.160 --> 0:24:58.800
<v Speaker 1>see women that way anywhere, and we just used to

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<v Speaker 1>only see like male athletes behaving that way. And I

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<v Speaker 1>love watching the swagger. I love watching women athletes have

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<v Speaker 1>the same kind of reactions to their big plays and

0:25:10.200 --> 0:25:12.600
<v Speaker 1>get the crowd involved and get people to like hype

0:25:12.600 --> 0:25:14.159
<v Speaker 1>them up. Like all of that is a part of

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<v Speaker 1>a larger, I think transformation of women's sport, beyond some

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<v Speaker 1>of the rules or the expectations for women their behaviors

0:25:21.440 --> 0:25:25.199
<v Speaker 1>in the past. Women's volleyball in the US is bigger

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<v Speaker 1>than men's, Like there are more people watching college, there

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<v Speaker 1>are more professional opportunities. Women is sort of the default

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<v Speaker 1>for the US when it comes to volleyball, and yet

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<v Speaker 1>there are still cases where we see it sort of

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<v Speaker 1>as a stepping stone. Last week, USA Volleyball announced that

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<v Speaker 1>Karch Karai, who coached the US women to three state

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<v Speaker 1>Olympic medals, is taking over as head coach of the

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<v Speaker 1>men's national team for the twenty twenty eight LA Olympics.

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<v Speaker 1>What was your reaction to that news, especially knowing that

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<v Speaker 1>coach was paid more as head coach of the women's

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<v Speaker 1>team than the previous men's national team coach was paid,

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<v Speaker 1>so him taking this move isn't about money. So what

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<v Speaker 1>was your reaction to see that?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, my reaction was split. I was really excited for

0:26:03.880 --> 0:26:06.160
<v Speaker 2>Karch because he's such a good guy and just having

0:26:06.359 --> 0:26:08.680
<v Speaker 2>formed somewhat of a relationship with him over the last

0:26:09.480 --> 0:26:13.239
<v Speaker 2>few summers covering their tournaments. He's a person that is

0:26:13.280 --> 0:26:16.480
<v Speaker 2>constantly striving for more and more. You know, he's won

0:26:16.760 --> 0:26:19.080
<v Speaker 2>so many medals. He's one as a beach player, he's

0:26:19.080 --> 0:26:20.960
<v Speaker 2>one as a beach coach, he's one now as a

0:26:20.960 --> 0:26:23.159
<v Speaker 2>women's indoor coach. I mean, this is kind of his

0:26:23.200 --> 0:26:25.639
<v Speaker 2>opportunity to say, Okay, let's go get a medal in

0:26:25.720 --> 0:26:27.959
<v Speaker 2>another sport because he has the ability to do it.

0:26:27.960 --> 0:26:31.359
<v Speaker 2>He's one of not just the greatest volleyball coaching minds,

0:26:31.400 --> 0:26:34.400
<v Speaker 2>but really one of the greatest coaching minds in general period,

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<v Speaker 2>in the entire sport. So I was excited for Karch

0:26:38.480 --> 0:26:40.440
<v Speaker 2>of course, because I was like, Okay, it's another stepping stone,

0:26:40.440 --> 0:26:42.680
<v Speaker 2>and he'll probably go in a medal because he's Carch

0:26:42.720 --> 0:26:44.520
<v Speaker 2>and he could take a you know, he could take

0:26:44.520 --> 0:26:46.919
<v Speaker 2>class of preschoolers and go win an Olympic medal, like

0:26:46.960 --> 0:26:49.320
<v Speaker 2>he's that good of a coach. But then the other

0:26:49.359 --> 0:26:51.719
<v Speaker 2>side of me is Okay, of course I'm bummed because

0:26:52.160 --> 0:26:54.200
<v Speaker 2>I know with him in charge of the US women's

0:26:54.280 --> 0:26:56.600
<v Speaker 2>national team, they're not a shoe in for a medal,

0:26:56.640 --> 0:26:58.200
<v Speaker 2>but he's going to do their best to make sure

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<v Speaker 2>that they get it. So I wouldn't necessarily say I

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<v Speaker 2>think it's different case than of course most other sports,

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<v Speaker 2>because as you mentioned, the women's game in general, as

0:27:09.000 --> 0:27:11.399
<v Speaker 2>specifically mostly in the US, is a lot bigger than

0:27:11.400 --> 0:27:14.800
<v Speaker 2>the men's game that changes country to country overseas. But

0:27:14.840 --> 0:27:17.159
<v Speaker 2>I was excited that he had now has his opportunity

0:27:17.200 --> 0:27:19.200
<v Speaker 2>to coach the men and and to be honest, there's

0:27:19.520 --> 0:27:23.000
<v Speaker 2>so many great coaches coming up, either through the NCAA

0:27:23.119 --> 0:27:25.560
<v Speaker 2>game or elsewhere that are going to make a really

0:27:25.560 --> 0:27:27.920
<v Speaker 2>good coach for the women's national team. I would guess.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, in the US, we're breeding good coaches right now,

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<v Speaker 2>so I think we're in a pretty good spot still.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. And the one thing that's kind of cool about that,

0:27:37.720 --> 0:27:42.160
<v Speaker 1>if I step back, is we've seen in the women's

0:27:42.320 --> 0:27:45.919
<v Speaker 1>say basketball, that there are really high level women coaches

0:27:45.920 --> 0:27:49.320
<v Speaker 1>who have coached at the NBA level and then wanted

0:27:49.440 --> 0:27:52.040
<v Speaker 1>to be able to coach fellow women athletes. But needed

0:27:52.040 --> 0:27:53.800
<v Speaker 1>to wait for the game to catch up. Becky Hamon,

0:27:53.800 --> 0:27:56.520
<v Speaker 1>for instance, the first million dollar coach in the WNBA.

0:27:56.720 --> 0:27:58.680
<v Speaker 1>She was coaching on the men's side, making more money,

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<v Speaker 1>getting more status, having the kind of experience that she

0:28:01.400 --> 0:28:03.480
<v Speaker 1>deserved as the Kyle Burth coach that she is, and

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<v Speaker 1>when the w caught up and she was able to

0:28:05.480 --> 0:28:07.639
<v Speaker 1>go take her skill set to the women's game, she

0:28:07.680 --> 0:28:09.439
<v Speaker 1>could do that. And in some ways it's almost like

0:28:09.480 --> 0:28:11.639
<v Speaker 1>that with kirch Kuri and the men's game. He obviously

0:28:11.760 --> 0:28:13.840
<v Speaker 1>is a men's player. He grew up playing, and so

0:28:14.000 --> 0:28:17.240
<v Speaker 1>for him to get to let the men's game, I

0:28:17.240 --> 0:28:19.119
<v Speaker 1>guess catch up enough for him to decide that he

0:28:19.160 --> 0:28:22.280
<v Speaker 1>wants to go lead them and help them find some

0:28:22.400 --> 0:28:24.600
<v Speaker 1>glory is actually pretty cool for him as one of

0:28:24.600 --> 0:28:26.359
<v Speaker 1>the legends of the game, as someone who's been around

0:28:26.359 --> 0:28:28.920
<v Speaker 1>forever and has already done so much for the women's team.

0:28:29.200 --> 0:28:30.879
<v Speaker 1>So I guess it's less of a stepping stone if

0:28:30.880 --> 0:28:33.040
<v Speaker 1>you're stepping backwards. It's more of a I'm going to

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<v Speaker 1>use my influence to help raise the level of this

0:28:35.560 --> 0:28:38.480
<v Speaker 1>thing that hasn't gotten as much shine. Emily, thanks so

0:28:38.560 --> 0:28:40.880
<v Speaker 1>much for educating us on this We're so excited to

0:28:40.920 --> 0:28:43.720
<v Speaker 1>watch your coverage of the big game this weekend, and

0:28:43.760 --> 0:28:45.360
<v Speaker 1>we're going to keep checking in with you as we

0:28:45.360 --> 0:28:47.360
<v Speaker 1>get closer to the end of this season and we

0:28:47.400 --> 0:28:49.520
<v Speaker 1>see some of these big name teams battle it out

0:28:49.600 --> 0:28:53.360
<v Speaker 1>in a really truly, genuinely exciting season for college volleyball.

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<v Speaker 1>Thanks for the time.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, thanks for having me. I was going to say,

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<v Speaker 2>And if anyone's listening and hasn't watched college volleyball, it

0:28:58.840 --> 0:29:01.240
<v Speaker 2>hooks you in right away. It's a difficult sport to

0:29:01.280 --> 0:29:03.440
<v Speaker 2>turn off based on how fast pace is and how

0:29:03.480 --> 0:29:06.000
<v Speaker 2>fun it is, so definitely turn it on this Friday.

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<v Speaker 2>It's a big one. It'll be fun.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, once you get into it, it's it's kind of

0:29:09.960 --> 0:29:12.000
<v Speaker 1>hard not to love it. Yeah, and you're helping us

0:29:12.000 --> 0:29:14.280
<v Speaker 1>do that. So thank you, no, thanks for having me.

0:29:14.320 --> 0:29:14.880
<v Speaker 2>This is awesome.

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<v Speaker 1>Thanks so much to Emily for joining us. We got

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<v Speaker 1>to take another quick break when we come back. Prepare

0:29:21.440 --> 0:29:24.320
<v Speaker 1>the red carpet, hang the balloons. It's time for another

0:29:24.360 --> 0:29:35.080
<v Speaker 1>induction ceremony. Stick around welcome back slices in honor of

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<v Speaker 1>yesterday's incredible guest, Merrett Matthias and her retirement and the

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<v Speaker 1>end of the NWSL regular season this weekend, we have

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<v Speaker 1>a new entry into the Good Game Hall of Fame.

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<v Speaker 1>That's right, the Good Game Hall of Fame, where we

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<v Speaker 1>honor great moments and women's sports lore, the kind of

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<v Speaker 1>memorable performances and legendary stories you should know, just like

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<v Speaker 1>you know that MLB player Doc Ellis once through a

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<v Speaker 1>no hitter while on LSD, or that Michael Jordan scored

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<v Speaker 1>thirty eight points in the infamous Flu Game. Today we

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<v Speaker 1>induct Merret Matthias's tweets after she tore her ACL in

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<v Speaker 1>twenty nineteen, tweets that will forever live on in NWSL lore.

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<v Speaker 1>While playing for the North Carolina Courage, Matthias and Houston

0:30:14.840 --> 0:30:18.760
<v Speaker 1>dashboard Rachel Daily made contact. Matthias was initially whistled for

0:30:18.800 --> 0:30:20.760
<v Speaker 1>a foul on the play, but when it all shook out,

0:30:21.000 --> 0:30:23.720
<v Speaker 1>Daily was awarded a yellow card and Matthias had the

0:30:23.760 --> 0:30:26.080
<v Speaker 1>sub out of the game limping with a knee injury.

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<v Speaker 1>It turned out to be a torn ACL, which led

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<v Speaker 1>to this pair of tweets, along with a video of

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<v Speaker 1>Daily causing the injury. Matthias wrote, I did not tear

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<v Speaker 1>my ACL. My ACL was torn for me. I did

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<v Speaker 1>not misstep. My foot did not get stuck. It was

0:30:41.720 --> 0:30:45.280
<v Speaker 1>not a freak accident. My plant leg was intentionally kicked.

0:30:45.760 --> 0:30:48.880
<v Speaker 1>I was awarded a foul and Houston awarded a free kick.

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<v Speaker 1>It is due to a lack of respect that I

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<v Speaker 1>will not be finishing my season with the North Carolina Courage.

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<v Speaker 1>I will be getting surgery while my team takes on playoffs.

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<v Speaker 1>It is because of your lack of respect that I

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<v Speaker 1>can respectfully say fuck you. The tweets went instantly viral

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<v Speaker 1>and even inspired one dedicated nwslfan to do an interpretive

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<v Speaker 1>dance to a reading of Merit's words. We'll link to

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<v Speaker 1>the original tweets and to that dance in the show notes.

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<v Speaker 1>In her recent interview with the Athletics Meglenahan, Matthiah said

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<v Speaker 1>of posting the tweets, quote, listen, it was very much

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<v Speaker 1>an unhealed version of me. There's pre therapy merit and

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<v Speaker 1>post therapy merit. End quote. But she also said she

0:31:26.520 --> 0:31:29.080
<v Speaker 1>thinks players should get to show their personalities and not

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<v Speaker 1>always be nice and sweet. Quote. You get to choose

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<v Speaker 1>your favorite player is based on a full picture of

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<v Speaker 1>this person, not this very curated look. Some people might

0:31:37.480 --> 0:31:39.520
<v Speaker 1>love me for that tweet and some people might hate me,

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<v Speaker 1>but people are still talking about it, you know what

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, And that's okay. End quote. That's very okay.

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<v Speaker 1>Welcome to the Good Game Hall of Fame, merit. We

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<v Speaker 1>a walk through the desert amazing. But there's something about

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<v Speaker 1>pouring a glass and just letting it sit for a bit,

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<v Speaker 1>letting the glass sweat, finally taking a swig once it said.

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<v Speaker 1>It's chaotic, neutral temp, and it's different. It's also a

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<v Speaker 1>little easier on the digestive system. So true, unsung hero

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<v Speaker 1>in the hydration Game. Now it's your turn, rate and review.

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<v Speaker 1>Thanks for listening, slices, Have a great weekend and see

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<v Speaker 1>you next week. Good Game, Emily, Good Game, Wilma. Few

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<v Speaker 1>to folks manipulating and punishing college athletes in service of

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<v Speaker 1>political statements and false narratives around trans participation. Good Game

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<v Speaker 1>with Sarah Spain is an iHeart women's sports production in

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<v Speaker 1>partnership with Deep Blue Sports and Entertainment. You can find

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<v Speaker 1>us on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you

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<v Speaker 1>get your podcasts. Production by Wonder Media Network, our producers

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<v Speaker 1>are Alex Azzie and Misha Jones. Our executive producers are

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<v Speaker 1>Christina Everett, Jesse Katz, Jenny Kaplan, and Emily Rudder. Our

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<v Speaker 1>Editors are Emily Rutterer, Britney Martinez, Grace Lynch, and Lindsay Cradowell.

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