WEBVTT - Ziggy Marley Reminisces About Jamaica and His Father 0:00:15.436 --> 0:00:23.436 Pushkin. In the four decades since his death, Bob Marley 0:00:23.436 --> 0:00:26.076 has become so iconic that it's hard to believe he 0:00:26.156 --> 0:00:30.796 was ever a real person. Thankfully, in addition to the 0:00:30.836 --> 0:00:33.836 wealth of music he left behind, there's also a trove 0:00:33.956 --> 0:00:39.916 of photographs documenting his brief, impactful life. In twenty twenty, 0:00:39.996 --> 0:00:43.076 to commemorate what would have been Bob's seventy fifth birthday, 0:00:43.476 --> 0:00:46.316 Ziggy Marley curated a book of photographs of his dad 0:00:46.436 --> 0:00:50.916 called Bob Marley Portrait of the Legend. Ziggy has of 0:00:50.916 --> 0:00:53.276 course gone on to become a reggae icon in his 0:00:53.356 --> 0:00:56.436 own right, and there's now an eight time Grammy winner, 0:00:56.716 --> 0:01:01.076 a philanthropist, author, and keeper of his dad's legacy along 0:01:01.076 --> 0:01:04.756 with the rest of the Marley family. Today we'll hear 0:01:04.796 --> 0:01:07.876 Malcolm Goldwell and Ziggy talk about the turbulence and seventies 0:01:07.956 --> 0:01:13.236 Jamaica by two opposing political parties. Ziggy recalls the night 0:01:13.236 --> 0:01:16.796 gunman and ambushed the Marley house, shooting his mother and Bob, 0:01:17.236 --> 0:01:21.916 both whom thankfully survived, and Ziggy answers the question we 0:01:21.956 --> 0:01:25.756 all want to know, was it famously soccer obsessed Bob 0:01:25.796 --> 0:01:32.916 Marley really any good on the field? This is broken 0:01:32.956 --> 0:01:36.316 record liner notes for the digital Age. I'm justin Richmondon. 0:01:41.156 --> 0:01:45.116 Here's Malcolm Gladwell and Ziggy Marley. This conversation was taped 0:01:45.236 --> 0:01:48.076 live as part of the Live Talks Los Angeles series. 0:01:49.556 --> 0:01:52.556 This book that you've done, with all of these photos 0:01:52.556 --> 0:01:55.556 of your father, it had a kind of personal residence 0:01:55.556 --> 0:01:58.876 for me because, as you may know, my mom as Jamaican, 0:01:59.196 --> 0:02:02.356 and when I was growing up in the seventies, we 0:02:02.436 --> 0:02:05.596 were good at Jamaica every year, every Christmas and all 0:02:05.636 --> 0:02:08.396 these so many of these photos are from the Jamaica 0:02:08.476 --> 0:02:10.836 that I remember as a kid. It's funny, It's like, 0:02:11.036 --> 0:02:13.116 I mean, it's very personal for you, but in this 0:02:13.276 --> 0:02:16.516 weird indirect way, HiT's personal for me too. You know 0:02:16.636 --> 0:02:18.436 how when you look at the photo of Jamaica, you 0:02:18.436 --> 0:02:22.356 can smell Jamaica. I could, I could smell I could 0:02:22.436 --> 0:02:25.716 smell Jamaica again. It's just lovely, like took me back 0:02:25.756 --> 0:02:27.916 to my childhood. What led you to want to do 0:02:27.956 --> 0:02:31.076 this book? So over the years we've we've collected a 0:02:31.116 --> 0:02:35.116 lot of photographs of Bob. I'm from different photographers and 0:02:35.156 --> 0:02:39.316 stuff like that, and you know, usually I think the 0:02:39.316 --> 0:02:42.356 photographs you see a Bob our iconic photographs, you know, 0:02:42.716 --> 0:02:47.196 obviously the iconic images, and so for this we came 0:02:47.276 --> 0:02:50.596 up on the same the fifth at birthday anniversary, and 0:02:50.636 --> 0:02:52.956 I felt like, let's do some special for the seven fifth. 0:02:53.396 --> 0:02:55.516 Let's take some of these photos we having our archives. 0:02:55.556 --> 0:02:58.356 I'm put together a photo book. The family has them. 0:02:58.356 --> 0:03:00.756 I've done one before, other people have done one. Then 0:03:00.756 --> 0:03:03.276 I'm totally understand. Always when you're taught about you smell 0:03:03.316 --> 0:03:07.036 Jamaica at the photo because doing the book like they 0:03:07.116 --> 0:03:09.596 brought back to that time too, you know, when looking 0:03:09.596 --> 0:03:12.596 at it, just it's like it's such a it's such 0:03:12.636 --> 0:03:16.916 a real experience, a real thing that when I was 0:03:16.956 --> 0:03:19.316 looking at the phot does it you know, everything else 0:03:19.396 --> 0:03:22.436 kind of came back to me. Yeah. When you say, 0:03:22.796 --> 0:03:25.796 I was just thinking logistically, you said, this is really 0:03:25.796 --> 0:03:28.276 the family's book. There's so many of you. How on 0:03:28.316 --> 0:03:31.836 earth did you guys? Did you guys coordinate picking all 0:03:31.876 --> 0:03:34.996 of these photos? Did you have like a family council 0:03:35.036 --> 0:03:38.516 where you're all sat down and went through them? No? No, 0:03:38.596 --> 0:03:41.316 well I was given a task. I was given that 0:03:41.356 --> 0:03:43.716 responsibility of going through the photos. That's all we do. 0:03:43.756 --> 0:03:47.396 What kind of delegate responsibilities? Yeah, you know, everybody this 0:03:47.476 --> 0:03:50.436 is your project. You have you have the family's approval 0:03:50.476 --> 0:03:52.596 and blessing is your project. Go ahead and do it, 0:03:52.636 --> 0:03:55.876 you know. Yeah, Well, tell me about your your memories 0:03:55.916 --> 0:03:58.476 of your father. You so you're born in sixty eight, 0:03:58.556 --> 0:04:01.756 so you when he dies, you're you're just a teenager. 0:04:02.356 --> 0:04:05.756 Yeah it going on thirteen. Yeah, yeah, tell me tell 0:04:05.796 --> 0:04:07.716 me a little bit about what you remember of your father. 0:04:08.636 --> 0:04:11.516 Well everything, I mean, there's don't to forget really because 0:04:11.916 --> 0:04:15.356 the limited experience we've had with him, you know, everything 0:04:15.436 --> 0:04:20.396 was memorable and left her ever lasting impact on my psyche, 0:04:20.636 --> 0:04:22.716 you know what I say. Everything. It was like going 0:04:22.756 --> 0:04:25.076 to school, but a different type of school, you know. 0:04:25.156 --> 0:04:27.636 Manna says like so growing up with Bob, I mean, 0:04:27.716 --> 0:04:31.036 there was different elements. It was a fun side, happy side, 0:04:31.036 --> 0:04:33.356 didn't player on the children. We would travel to the 0:04:33.356 --> 0:04:36.996 countryside his hometown u every now and again. And it's 0:04:37.036 --> 0:04:38.876 funny remember those days. They were no seat, bess, he 0:04:38.916 --> 0:04:40.916 would have been a lap in the front seat or 0:04:40.996 --> 0:04:44.796 seat that no, no, no, you're back. Yeah, I believe you. 0:04:44.836 --> 0:04:48.356 I remember that. I'mbing started making the back of a 0:04:48.516 --> 0:04:53.756 Volkswagen Beetle driven by my uncle. Yeah. Yeah, my mom 0:04:53.996 --> 0:04:56.116 one of those two. She had one of those beatles too. 0:04:56.276 --> 0:05:00.116 Yeah yeah, so um but I mean, and then there 0:05:00.156 --> 0:05:02.116 was a serious side. It was what I saw was 0:05:02.276 --> 0:05:05.196 another discipline. This money, a lot of work hard, this money, 0:05:05.156 --> 0:05:07.676 a lot of discipline, this manner. He's from the countryside 0:05:08.236 --> 0:05:15.356 and he's so rude rooted in his humility that for 0:05:15.436 --> 0:05:17.556 him to come back to his home Toner, go back 0:05:17.556 --> 0:05:20.996 to trench Stone in the ghetto, it was like, it's 0:05:20.996 --> 0:05:22.876 just it's just Bob. This is just Bob. It's not 0:05:22.956 --> 0:05:27.036 like Bob the Superstarabob or whatever, you know, It's just Bob. 0:05:27.716 --> 0:05:31.836 So I mean lots of sucker, lots of football, sucker music, 0:05:31.876 --> 0:05:35.036 sucker music. And the spiritual side of it was a 0:05:35.116 --> 0:05:38.716 very powerful thing. And Babbabo's love having Bible, and he 0:05:38.756 --> 0:05:41.876 would take me and my brother Stephen to these um 0:05:41.916 --> 0:05:43.876 what you call him. It's like service, like you know 0:05:43.876 --> 0:05:46.116 people go to church service, or people go to the 0:05:46.116 --> 0:05:48.636 synical or the mosque. When we are these thing called 0:05:48.676 --> 0:05:50.556 nia bingis and we would it would be like some 0:05:50.636 --> 0:05:53.396 weird time at night. And it was such a mystical. 0:05:53.556 --> 0:05:55.156 That's why I said it left such an impression on 0:05:55.236 --> 0:05:58.796 me as a child, because it was such a ni 0:05:58.916 --> 0:06:03.756 being was such a mystical thing, you know, smoke, fire, drums, singing, chanting, 0:06:04.196 --> 0:06:07.916 and a whole spiritual vibe. So yeah, you know, we'll 0:06:07.956 --> 0:06:10.636 go up that kind of environe where every memory really 0:06:10.796 --> 0:06:12.836 is stuck with us, and the memory is stuck with 0:06:12.916 --> 0:06:15.076 us more than just a memory. It stuck with us 0:06:15.116 --> 0:06:20.836 as like I experience that as kind of mounded us 0:06:20.876 --> 0:06:24.436 into who we are today. You know, who is are 0:06:24.436 --> 0:06:27.196 really a heavy thing, you know, it's heavy. Yeah. The 0:06:27.276 --> 0:06:29.676 other part of it that's fastened to me, as I 0:06:29.716 --> 0:06:33.916 said earlier, was the Jamaica of that period, which is 0:06:34.036 --> 0:06:36.156 Jamaica in the seventies. So many of these photos are 0:06:36.156 --> 0:06:39.076 about Jamakaan the seventies and Jamaica the seventies is an 0:06:39.156 --> 0:06:45.236 intense place. I mean, politics is manly in Siaga, and 0:06:45.276 --> 0:06:49.396 there's violence, and there's gun cord and there's reggae, and 0:06:49.436 --> 0:06:53.156 there's you know, Don Quarry winning gold medal. I mean, 0:06:53.196 --> 0:06:55.596 it's just sort of like there's somber go, there's a kid. 0:06:55.596 --> 0:06:58.876 It's just like so much was coming from rural Canada 0:06:58.916 --> 0:07:03.356 where nothing happened, to a place where everything was happening. Talk. 0:07:03.436 --> 0:07:04.796 Can you talk a little bit about that I mean 0:07:04.836 --> 0:07:07.756 you're in the epicenter of this because your father was 0:07:07.756 --> 0:07:11.196 at the was the kind of in the middle of 0:07:10.996 --> 0:07:14.476 the of the Maelstrom. Yeah, there were certain minor posts 0:07:14.556 --> 0:07:17.356 that I can like remember about the seventies, especially the 0:07:17.996 --> 0:07:22.556 more um turbulent times politics. So we can't go back. 0:07:22.676 --> 0:07:27.276 I remember, um, the night my appearance were a shot, right. 0:07:28.076 --> 0:07:30.316 I remember before my mother left to go to rearses, 0:07:30.356 --> 0:07:32.396 I were like, yo, moment tapent to earth. I wanted 0:07:32.436 --> 0:07:34.156 to go. I wanted to go to resta and said no, one, 0:07:34.196 --> 0:07:36.596 like you have school tomorrow. And I was like very 0:07:36.636 --> 0:07:38.716 like angry that she didn't let me go to rearses. 0:07:39.476 --> 0:07:41.956 And then, you know, looking back after you the shooter, 0:07:42.116 --> 0:07:44.556 I think she probably it was a good decision, right. 0:07:44.836 --> 0:07:48.396 So I remember that night. I remember she leaving and 0:07:49.636 --> 0:07:52.396 we went to bed, right, But in the middle of 0:07:52.396 --> 0:07:54.516 the night, some police came to the house and like 0:07:54.996 --> 0:07:57.636 grabbed us up and like there's a lot of you know, 0:07:57.756 --> 0:08:00.436 like kiosk and like let's go move through, let's go, 0:08:00.556 --> 0:08:02.036 let's go get the kids and mout to the house 0:08:02.076 --> 0:08:04.996 and they drove us to wherever we're going. We don't know. 0:08:05.036 --> 0:08:09.996 I was just like this, I was like, what is 0:08:10.116 --> 0:08:13.156 seventy seventy six, but you're about getting the assassination the 0:08:13.356 --> 0:08:17.876 seventy six ye. So another more impactful experience I was 0:08:17.916 --> 0:08:20.036 with my mom. Actually we're talking about the seventies and 0:08:20.116 --> 0:08:22.756 what was going on there, the political upheaval and just 0:08:22.996 --> 0:08:26.676 you know, the drama everything. So my so, my mother 0:08:26.716 --> 0:08:28.596 pick us up from school. This was during the height 0:08:28.716 --> 0:08:31.316 of the There was a big protest going on political 0:08:31.396 --> 0:08:34.596 They were blocking the roads, fire burning, tires burning in 0:08:34.636 --> 0:08:37.356 the streets. So my mom pick us up from school 0:08:37.396 --> 0:08:40.276 in in the beetle, in the VW. She's driving us 0:08:40.356 --> 0:08:44.236 home and we'll come up on a road back. Okay, okay, 0:08:44.236 --> 0:08:46.236 I'll get home. We're not too far from home, but 0:08:46.956 --> 0:08:50.036 we can't pass because these guys there, there's tires burning, 0:08:50.396 --> 0:08:53.076 and these guys are like and I remember being in 0:08:53.156 --> 0:08:55.116 the back seat. I'm watching my mother. She came over 0:08:55.156 --> 0:08:57.396 to the car and she confronted these guys in a 0:08:57.556 --> 0:09:00.796 very bridge brave. I mean it's brave what she did. 0:09:00.876 --> 0:09:02.996 She like stand up, I say, yo, and I feel 0:09:02.996 --> 0:09:04.956 you know what if I did? She cursed or chel 0:09:05.516 --> 0:09:07.276 and she talked them down and they're kind of like 0:09:07.396 --> 0:09:09.676 okay and kind of part of part of the road 0:09:09.756 --> 0:09:12.316 back and we drove toe. So that's a that's another 0:09:12.396 --> 0:09:16.356 memory that's like from from member that time and the 0:09:16.636 --> 0:09:21.036 turbulent political situation. Those two my post is what I 0:09:21.156 --> 0:09:24.116 go back to. But I mean there was good times too, man, 0:09:24.276 --> 0:09:26.276 you know what I mean. I mean going back to 0:09:26.396 --> 0:09:29.516 Change Stone playing football. You know, it was a very 0:09:30.236 --> 0:09:32.236 double edged sword that period of time because it was 0:09:32.276 --> 0:09:36.156 so good too divide the energy of the music. There's 0:09:36.236 --> 0:09:39.636 so much life and there's so much revolutionary like change, 0:09:39.676 --> 0:09:42.076 you know, Like it's the same time Bob and Claud 0:09:42.236 --> 0:09:45.316 mass Up, who was a strong man or a strong 0:09:45.436 --> 0:09:49.276 arm for the political function and booking Marshall, they came 0:09:49.316 --> 0:09:52.236 together and we're starting for kind of this on the politics. 0:09:52.276 --> 0:09:54.036 And I was there too. I met I met all 0:09:54.076 --> 0:09:56.476 of these guys take life, and I knew who. I 0:09:56.556 --> 0:09:59.436 knew what was happening um and and I kind of 0:09:59.596 --> 0:10:01.556 but actually when I got later and I kind of 0:10:01.636 --> 0:10:04.036 understand who these guys were because I just saw them 0:10:04.076 --> 0:10:06.756 as guys as Bob's friends, and I know they were 0:10:06.836 --> 0:10:09.436 meeting and talking and blah blah blah. But when I 0:10:09.516 --> 0:10:11.916 grew up with area as these guys were some dangerous men. 0:10:12.276 --> 0:10:14.956 They were just like some la. These guys were some 0:10:15.076 --> 0:10:18.716 serious guys, you know. So that is yeah, that is 0:10:18.756 --> 0:10:20.476 the world. That is the world, you know, marking at 0:10:20.516 --> 0:10:23.236 the seventies. I remember, it's funny you talk about your 0:10:23.276 --> 0:10:26.516 mother and that roadblock. My grandfather telling me that he'd 0:10:26.556 --> 0:10:28.276 be driving down the road and they'd be a roadblock, 0:10:28.476 --> 0:10:30.196 and he got really good at guessing whether it was 0:10:30.276 --> 0:10:33.996 JLP or p NP, the two two parties. So he 0:10:34.676 --> 0:10:38.756 take a look, he's take that's JLP. Wavers fished out 0:10:38.796 --> 0:10:44.596 the window JLP. They're like waving through next BNP. But 0:10:47.476 --> 0:10:50.476 you know, to your point, it's the world that bursts 0:10:51.476 --> 0:10:54.076 this extraordinar amount of your father's music. I mean, it's 0:10:54.156 --> 0:10:59.276 what gave his music such immediacy and urgency and power. 0:10:59.516 --> 0:11:01.316 Did your father talk a lot about the cut of 0:11:01.356 --> 0:11:03.756 the politics of Jamaica? Not, I mean not to me. 0:11:03.876 --> 0:11:06.196 I mean I've I've overheard stuff and i've you know, 0:11:06.396 --> 0:11:09.716 but never directed to us. Um. Yeah, I mean he's 0:11:09.716 --> 0:11:14.156 spoken about it. Obviously, he's not a political person to say, 0:11:14.276 --> 0:11:17.516 well him decide these politics are that political party or whatever. 0:11:17.876 --> 0:11:20.556 I think he was a trait because his thing was Rastafari, 0:11:20.716 --> 0:11:22.876 which is another thing. He says, need a P and 0:11:22.916 --> 0:11:26.036 p r GP. It's like it's own thing. And what 0:11:26.276 --> 0:11:29.236 was happening was that I love the mentioned cloud, the 0:11:29.316 --> 0:11:31.996 master of Bocking, Marshal. These were the strong arms, they were, 0:11:32.276 --> 0:11:35.836 These were the enforcers of the political party, the lead enforcers. 0:11:36.756 --> 0:11:39.356 These guys was coming over at the Bob side. So 0:11:39.556 --> 0:11:41.956 there was a whole other thing going on that the 0:11:42.076 --> 0:11:46.916 political powers were losing their their muscle to this other 0:11:47.036 --> 0:11:50.076 idea of rastafar Rai, and that a waso bubble was 0:11:50.116 --> 0:11:52.796 really about really if it, I mean, if if he 0:11:52.956 --> 0:11:55.876 was about politics, it was the political party of Rastafari, 0:11:56.356 --> 0:12:00.036 which is the spiritual movement, you know, change, change how 0:12:00.116 --> 0:12:03.316 things are. So I think that was his politics. Rastafari 0:12:03.596 --> 0:12:06.116 was his politics. We could say, you know, yeah, I 0:12:06.396 --> 0:12:10.516 was trying to think whether there's another musical artist who 0:12:10.636 --> 0:12:14.116 has had the same kind of status in his or 0:12:14.156 --> 0:12:17.116 her home country as your father did. I mean, I'm 0:12:17.156 --> 0:12:22.676 remember that famous concert where the two political figures of 0:12:22.756 --> 0:12:26.716 the day, Siaga and Manly didn't they shake hands on 0:12:26.956 --> 0:12:30.236 stage at a at a Bob Marley concert, Yeah, the 0:12:30.276 --> 0:12:34.756 One Love Peace concert. Yeah. I mean the analogy would 0:12:34.756 --> 0:12:38.556 be as if Donald Trump and Joe Biden had kind 0:12:38.596 --> 0:12:41.796 of hugged on stage at a Bruce Springsteen concert. Right, 0:12:41.836 --> 0:12:44.476 that's the that's the clothes, I mean, but it doesn't 0:12:44.516 --> 0:12:46.876 need that doesn't even capture it. I mean, this is 0:12:46.916 --> 0:12:49.196 why I love the book so much, because it takes 0:12:49.276 --> 0:12:53.596 us back to the time and the place. Yeah, there's 0:12:53.876 --> 0:12:57.116 wonderful photos of the One Love concert with Siaga and 0:12:57.636 --> 0:13:01.196 Michael Manley. Yeah, I remember that it was brother went 0:13:01.236 --> 0:13:03.556 on stage because that's what we usually do. Like me, 0:13:03.636 --> 0:13:06.796 I'm Stephen, Stephen, you would go on stage. We would 0:13:06.796 --> 0:13:09.036 go on stage in that last time, which is usually 0:13:09.156 --> 0:13:13.156 exdus those times was tough to the One of Peace concert. 0:13:13.596 --> 0:13:15.996 So I remember, let me let me. I don't think 0:13:16.036 --> 0:13:18.316 we're having the photos that appeared. But when Bob after 0:13:18.396 --> 0:13:21.116 that assassination attempt, and Bob had come home for the 0:13:21.196 --> 0:13:23.756 One of Peace concert, so we all went to the 0:13:23.836 --> 0:13:26.396 airport and you know, there was totals of people at 0:13:26.436 --> 0:13:28.916 the airport because no Bubo is coming back. And the 0:13:29.036 --> 0:13:33.076 thing is that political strongmen for the parties, political parties 0:13:33.116 --> 0:13:36.196 now we're on the CMPH as Bob, and so everyone 0:13:36.276 --> 0:13:40.556 that supports these political parties now was supporting Bob and 0:13:40.836 --> 0:13:43.516 and and these these guys who know have their own 0:13:43.596 --> 0:13:48.196 ideas of peace and less political violence. So the airport 0:13:48.356 --> 0:13:50.836 was full. And then I was there and I remember 0:13:51.236 --> 0:13:54.756 the crowd and then pulled Bob and I'm there. I'm 0:13:54.836 --> 0:13:58.076 outside now in this crowd, all mixed up with everybody. 0:13:58.396 --> 0:14:00.876 And Bob get pulled into a car and I'm by 0:14:00.916 --> 0:14:05.196 the window like this bub bub Why not he pulled 0:14:05.236 --> 0:14:08.996 me through the window. Well, you knew you got left behind. 0:14:10.276 --> 0:14:11.876 I got mixed up in a cart and it was 0:14:11.916 --> 0:14:14.036 like there's could no and there was no one. I 0:14:14.116 --> 0:14:18.796 had no nannier and no one body watching me. It's 0:14:18.876 --> 0:14:22.716 important to remember in this moment in Jamaican history, it's 0:14:22.756 --> 0:14:25.636 almost like the country is in a state of civil war. 0:14:26.276 --> 0:14:29.476 There is violence everywhere. You know, the people are leaving 0:14:29.796 --> 0:14:32.316 Jamaica in droves to come to the United States or 0:14:32.436 --> 0:14:35.516 Canada to escape. It's a kind of a crazy period. 0:14:35.956 --> 0:14:38.356 Well it's funny, not only as civil war is like 0:14:38.436 --> 0:14:40.716 a geopolitical world going on too at the same time, 0:14:40.796 --> 0:14:44.516 between the United States and Russia and Cuba. Because that 0:14:44.716 --> 0:14:47.876 was the thing. That's why Edwards Siaga he was a buston. 0:14:47.956 --> 0:14:50.836 He guarded from Boston University, and so there was the 0:14:50.916 --> 0:14:56.876 geopolitical situation even elevated the stakes even more. Yeah and Bob, 0:14:57.156 --> 0:15:00.436 I mean, Bob was in a serious position and nobody knew, 0:15:00.636 --> 0:15:03.556 but he was in a serious position because of the 0:15:03.636 --> 0:15:09.356 geopolitical element. Would would America allow a socialist government who 0:15:09.516 --> 0:15:13.076 has tied with Cuba to have another which would then 0:15:13.436 --> 0:15:17.076 mean Russia having a a more influenced in that region. 0:15:17.836 --> 0:15:20.116 You know, America didn't want that. I would not allow that. 0:15:20.596 --> 0:15:22.836 I know. There was this guy, this singer guy who 0:15:23.356 --> 0:15:25.876 who people were drawn to and he was like she 0:15:25.996 --> 0:15:31.076 had some political power too, because the political strong men 0:15:31.196 --> 0:15:33.596 and their people were no drawn to this singer guy. 0:15:33.716 --> 0:15:36.196 Who who's this singer guy? You know what I'm saying. 0:15:36.236 --> 0:15:40.156 So the stakes are really high beyond what I think 0:15:41.036 --> 0:15:43.876 we realized, or even Bob might have realized at the time, 0:15:44.276 --> 0:15:46.916 our people around him. You know. We'll be back with 0:15:47.036 --> 0:15:54.316 Malcolm Gladwell and Ziggy Marley after a break. We're back 0:15:54.356 --> 0:15:57.796 with more from Ziggy Marley and Malcolm Gladwell. Can you 0:15:57.916 --> 0:16:00.516 think of a musical figure who is an analogous to 0:16:00.596 --> 0:16:06.556 your father? Yeah? I think more Fella Cut from Nigeria. Yeah, 0:16:07.036 --> 0:16:10.236 and him he was. He was another one of my 0:16:10.436 --> 0:16:14.396 I met him once, um chica, but he was he 0:16:14.556 --> 0:16:16.796 was serious. He was really and I mean what he 0:16:16.876 --> 0:16:20.836 didn't in Nigeria starting up against the government, the brutality 0:16:20.876 --> 0:16:24.316 and the songs he wrote about that. Really he just 0:16:24.476 --> 0:16:27.276 like my father had assassination and m I mean they 0:16:27.316 --> 0:16:29.756 would read him and beat him and beat his mother 0:16:29.836 --> 0:16:33.116 and you know type of things. So fella co would 0:16:33.116 --> 0:16:36.316 be a good analogy to Bob, I think, yeah, yeah, 0:16:36.356 --> 0:16:38.396 And there are a couple maybe a couple of South 0:16:38.436 --> 0:16:42.796 African um maybe it would be a good analogy. But 0:16:43.476 --> 0:16:46.596 when do you become aware that you want to make 0:16:46.676 --> 0:16:48.876 your life in music? Is that something that comes to 0:16:48.916 --> 0:16:51.276 you very young and looking at your father or afterwards 0:16:51.356 --> 0:16:53.996 after his death? Now it come? It come before that. 0:16:54.116 --> 0:16:56.196 I mean the first concert would play was a concert 0:16:56.316 --> 0:16:59.756 that U Baba was on was the International Year of 0:16:59.796 --> 0:17:03.476 the Children, what I hear? That was seventy nine. So 0:17:03.756 --> 0:17:05.436 he and he wrote the first song that we have 0:17:05.516 --> 0:17:08.516 a song. Yeah, So we was out of his music 0:17:08.596 --> 0:17:11.276 and bab always call us to sing when he's writing it. 0:17:12.036 --> 0:17:14.676 It comes sing we're playing, we want to go play, 0:17:14.876 --> 0:17:18.516 telling us to come sing. You know. We started very 0:17:18.556 --> 0:17:22.756 young with music. The thing I get from Barba musically speaking, 0:17:24.116 --> 0:17:28.276 is a discipline and the focus and the seriousness in 0:17:28.396 --> 0:17:31.156 which you approach the music, the respect that you gave 0:17:31.196 --> 0:17:33.076 the music. So you have to put in the work 0:17:33.636 --> 0:17:35.716 that shows you respect the music. It's not like it 0:17:35.836 --> 0:17:37.796 does better and you know you have a sing the 0:17:37.876 --> 0:17:40.796 right now, you have a practice, you know. So really 0:17:40.836 --> 0:17:43.076 when we used to see that Rorstie and watch Bob 0:17:43.116 --> 0:17:46.396 the Mirs, and I think for some reason I grew 0:17:46.476 --> 0:17:49.716 up taking that ethic of hard work and and and 0:17:49.876 --> 0:17:52.316 putting it into my own music of my life in general, 0:17:52.396 --> 0:17:55.036 you know, without they exercise and or whatever. I think 0:17:55.396 --> 0:17:59.716 seeing him just you know, grinding and like, well I'm 0:17:59.756 --> 0:18:03.076 making it right. And the discipline, the discipline, you know 0:18:03.396 --> 0:18:07.076 said the discipline is really a strung impact. I mean 0:18:07.196 --> 0:18:09.956 is seeing that discipline as as growing up around that. 0:18:10.916 --> 0:18:12.556 Can you talk a little bit about the way he 0:18:12.716 --> 0:18:15.276 made music? I mean, was there was there a kind 0:18:15.316 --> 0:18:18.716 of an approach that a particular approaching. Can you can 0:18:18.796 --> 0:18:20.916 you give a lovess of an example of how he 0:18:20.996 --> 0:18:24.036 worked and how he created? Well what I saw and 0:18:24.196 --> 0:18:28.436 this was probably in Miami at his mother's house. Yeah, 0:18:28.836 --> 0:18:31.316 but he always had his guitar around and a lot 0:18:31.396 --> 0:18:33.476 of time it's mumbling, you don't it's not a song. 0:18:33.636 --> 0:18:38.196 He does her ideas coming out, And for me, he 0:18:38.236 --> 0:18:40.716 would always have fun with it. It doesn't like I 0:18:40.836 --> 0:18:43.916 see us like writing and you know, it was always 0:18:43.956 --> 0:18:48.556 like something very joyful in the process, was very joyful 0:18:48.596 --> 0:18:52.276 and happy and people are own and laughing and you know, 0:18:52.436 --> 0:18:55.356 did you getting the lyrics? Making fun? There's this one 0:18:55.796 --> 0:18:57.836 another one thing he remember did release this one. It 0:18:57.956 --> 0:19:00.116 was really this kind of like he did as a demo. 0:19:00.196 --> 0:19:02.356 Really it's kind of like a really good time and 0:19:02.716 --> 0:19:05.676 I remember him beating in Miami in his bedroom with 0:19:05.836 --> 0:19:08.756 his Ovision guitar, and it was just having fun with 0:19:08.836 --> 0:19:11.876 you in a real good time, you know, and people 0:19:12.036 --> 0:19:14.556 you know, I'm a smoke split fun. It's just a 0:19:14.676 --> 0:19:16.516 good energy, just a good vibe. You know. I'm that 0:19:16.636 --> 0:19:18.876 says like And then I you never hear when the 0:19:18.916 --> 0:19:20.956 sound compete. You only hear when it come on the record. 0:19:21.276 --> 0:19:23.436 You hear pieces of with ideas of things, you know, 0:19:23.756 --> 0:19:26.196 and then you hear a record, So you never I 0:19:26.276 --> 0:19:30.076 never really him compete one song writing a song completely. 0:19:30.556 --> 0:19:32.316 You know you're already here a little bit sent pieces 0:19:32.396 --> 0:19:37.916 here and there. When your father became ill, was there 0:19:37.916 --> 0:19:40.956 a sense of urgency with him? Did his work take 0:19:41.036 --> 0:19:44.716 on him a new kind of seriousness? No, he was 0:19:44.756 --> 0:19:47.796 always urgent from him. I mean he was urgent from 0:19:47.836 --> 0:19:50.716 the get go, because there are a few examples of 0:19:51.156 --> 0:19:54.596 that kind of energy of his urgency, of his work, ethic, 0:19:54.716 --> 0:19:57.956 of his determination. So he was in the band Win 0:19:58.036 --> 0:20:00.156 that with with Bonnie and Peter the Street guys. Right, 0:20:00.196 --> 0:20:04.156 they were in his band and obviously have a world code. 0:20:04.356 --> 0:20:07.876 Because occurring to what he said in an interview is 0:20:08.196 --> 0:20:10.716 like and him said these words, he used my name, 0:20:10.996 --> 0:20:14.076 he says, if if you would think when Ziggie wants 0:20:14.116 --> 0:20:16.676 to go to school that he can say blah black. 0:20:16.996 --> 0:20:18.356 He didn't want to work, He didn't want to do 0:20:18.476 --> 0:20:21.436 this what you know, So he wants to work, you know, 0:20:21.516 --> 0:20:24.036 he he wants to get things done. There was always 0:20:24.036 --> 0:20:26.956 an urgency. There was never a lap time. There was 0:20:27.036 --> 0:20:29.836 named a lap time. There was always music. There was 0:20:29.916 --> 0:20:32.716 never and the like all right, let me take a vacation, No, 0:20:33.276 --> 0:20:35.036 I let me go chill out. No, there's no. It 0:20:35.196 --> 0:20:38.156 was like thirty six I mean how much year in 0:20:38.396 --> 0:20:41.676 thirty six years of like pushing you know, pushing and 0:20:41.796 --> 0:20:45.516 pushing and pushing it touring, never stopping, so that urgency 0:20:45.636 --> 0:20:49.276 fee was always there. Of all of his music, what 0:20:49.396 --> 0:20:52.116 are the songs that speak to you? Do most? The 0:20:52.236 --> 0:20:56.636 song that gets minimost redemption song? Because I remember shout 0:20:56.716 --> 0:20:58.916 haf Empass that was the album that was this album. 0:20:59.076 --> 0:21:04.876 That song was was the emotional spear, the emotional arrow. 0:21:04.956 --> 0:21:06.596 You know when you hear that song like that in 0:21:06.716 --> 0:21:09.156 that time it so that memory of that song I 0:21:09.276 --> 0:21:12.356 related to that time period and it was him and 0:21:12.436 --> 0:21:16.316 his guitar. It's so it's so soulful and just the 0:21:16.476 --> 0:21:20.316 final thing is just Himan guitar, and so that song 0:21:20.396 --> 0:21:23.596 always kind of have an emotional impact on me. Yeah, 0:21:23.876 --> 0:21:26.876 I wanted to know more about your childhood. There's a 0:21:26.956 --> 0:21:30.636 lot of moving around. Your family went to London right 0:21:30.716 --> 0:21:33.396 after the shooting, is that right? Yeah, but we we 0:21:33.756 --> 0:21:36.876 never got to land on so all right, So chrenchedtwne 0:21:37.036 --> 0:21:39.596 right changedtone where I was born in Chrenstone. We grew 0:21:39.636 --> 0:21:42.596 up in a chrenchedtone look a bit and then moved 0:21:42.636 --> 0:21:45.756 to Delaware where his modad moved I'd migrated to. So 0:21:45.836 --> 0:21:48.596 we lived in Delaware, Willimanton and Delaware. I went to 0:21:48.636 --> 0:21:51.396 school elementary school in Delaware for maybe a year or so. 0:21:52.036 --> 0:21:54.876 Then we'll move back to Jamaica, but we'll move out 0:21:54.916 --> 0:21:58.076 a chrenchedtone and moving to a place called Bulb, which 0:21:58.156 --> 0:22:00.756 is a much better standard of living. It's like, you know, 0:22:01.356 --> 0:22:03.916 not poor, but not rich. It's like the middle like 0:22:04.036 --> 0:22:06.396 middle class or something like that in Jamaica at the time. 0:22:07.276 --> 0:22:10.596