1 00:00:15,436 --> 00:00:23,436 Speaker 1: Pushkin. In the four decades since his death, Bob Marley 2 00:00:23,436 --> 00:00:26,076 Speaker 1: has become so iconic that it's hard to believe he 3 00:00:26,156 --> 00:00:30,796 Speaker 1: was ever a real person. Thankfully, in addition to the 4 00:00:30,836 --> 00:00:33,836 Speaker 1: wealth of music he left behind, there's also a trove 5 00:00:33,956 --> 00:00:39,916 Speaker 1: of photographs documenting his brief, impactful life. In twenty twenty, 6 00:00:39,996 --> 00:00:43,076 Speaker 1: to commemorate what would have been Bob's seventy fifth birthday, 7 00:00:43,476 --> 00:00:46,316 Speaker 1: Ziggy Marley curated a book of photographs of his dad 8 00:00:46,436 --> 00:00:50,916 Speaker 1: called Bob Marley Portrait of the Legend. Ziggy has of 9 00:00:50,916 --> 00:00:53,276 Speaker 1: course gone on to become a reggae icon in his 10 00:00:53,356 --> 00:00:56,436 Speaker 1: own right, and there's now an eight time Grammy winner, 11 00:00:56,716 --> 00:01:01,076 Speaker 1: a philanthropist, author, and keeper of his dad's legacy along 12 00:01:01,076 --> 00:01:04,756 Speaker 1: with the rest of the Marley family. Today we'll hear 13 00:01:04,796 --> 00:01:07,876 Speaker 1: Malcolm Goldwell and Ziggy talk about the turbulence and seventies 14 00:01:07,956 --> 00:01:13,236 Speaker 1: Jamaica by two opposing political parties. Ziggy recalls the night 15 00:01:13,236 --> 00:01:16,796 Speaker 1: gunman and ambushed the Marley house, shooting his mother and Bob, 16 00:01:17,236 --> 00:01:21,916 Speaker 1: both whom thankfully survived, and Ziggy answers the question we 17 00:01:21,956 --> 00:01:25,756 Speaker 1: all want to know, was it famously soccer obsessed Bob 18 00:01:25,796 --> 00:01:32,916 Speaker 1: Marley really any good on the field? This is broken 19 00:01:32,956 --> 00:01:36,316 Speaker 1: record liner notes for the digital Age. I'm justin Richmondon. 20 00:01:41,156 --> 00:01:45,116 Speaker 1: Here's Malcolm Gladwell and Ziggy Marley. This conversation was taped 21 00:01:45,236 --> 00:01:48,076 Speaker 1: live as part of the Live Talks Los Angeles series. 22 00:01:49,556 --> 00:01:52,556 Speaker 1: This book that you've done, with all of these photos 23 00:01:52,556 --> 00:01:55,556 Speaker 1: of your father, it had a kind of personal residence 24 00:01:55,556 --> 00:01:58,876 Speaker 1: for me because, as you may know, my mom as Jamaican, 25 00:01:59,196 --> 00:02:02,356 Speaker 1: and when I was growing up in the seventies, we 26 00:02:02,436 --> 00:02:05,596 Speaker 1: were good at Jamaica every year, every Christmas and all 27 00:02:05,636 --> 00:02:08,396 Speaker 1: these so many of these photos are from the Jamaica 28 00:02:08,476 --> 00:02:10,836 Speaker 1: that I remember as a kid. It's funny, It's like, 29 00:02:11,036 --> 00:02:13,116 Speaker 1: I mean, it's very personal for you, but in this 30 00:02:13,276 --> 00:02:16,516 Speaker 1: weird indirect way, HiT's personal for me too. You know 31 00:02:16,636 --> 00:02:18,436 Speaker 1: how when you look at the photo of Jamaica, you 32 00:02:18,436 --> 00:02:22,356 Speaker 1: can smell Jamaica. I could, I could smell I could 33 00:02:22,436 --> 00:02:25,716 Speaker 1: smell Jamaica again. It's just lovely, like took me back 34 00:02:25,756 --> 00:02:27,916 Speaker 1: to my childhood. What led you to want to do 35 00:02:27,956 --> 00:02:31,076 Speaker 1: this book? So over the years we've we've collected a 36 00:02:31,116 --> 00:02:35,116 Speaker 1: lot of photographs of Bob. I'm from different photographers and 37 00:02:35,156 --> 00:02:39,316 Speaker 1: stuff like that, and you know, usually I think the 38 00:02:39,316 --> 00:02:42,356 Speaker 1: photographs you see a Bob our iconic photographs, you know, 39 00:02:42,716 --> 00:02:47,196 Speaker 1: obviously the iconic images, and so for this we came 40 00:02:47,276 --> 00:02:50,596 Speaker 1: up on the same the fifth at birthday anniversary, and 41 00:02:50,636 --> 00:02:52,956 Speaker 1: I felt like, let's do some special for the seven fifth. 42 00:02:53,396 --> 00:02:55,516 Speaker 1: Let's take some of these photos we having our archives. 43 00:02:55,556 --> 00:02:58,356 Speaker 1: I'm put together a photo book. The family has them. 44 00:02:58,356 --> 00:03:00,756 Speaker 1: I've done one before, other people have done one. Then 45 00:03:00,756 --> 00:03:03,276 Speaker 1: I'm totally understand. Always when you're taught about you smell 46 00:03:03,316 --> 00:03:07,036 Speaker 1: Jamaica at the photo because doing the book like they 47 00:03:07,116 --> 00:03:09,596 Speaker 1: brought back to that time too, you know, when looking 48 00:03:09,596 --> 00:03:12,596 Speaker 1: at it, just it's like it's such a it's such 49 00:03:12,636 --> 00:03:16,916 Speaker 1: a real experience, a real thing that when I was 50 00:03:16,956 --> 00:03:19,316 Speaker 1: looking at the phot does it you know, everything else 51 00:03:19,396 --> 00:03:22,436 Speaker 1: kind of came back to me. Yeah. When you say, 52 00:03:22,796 --> 00:03:25,796 Speaker 1: I was just thinking logistically, you said, this is really 53 00:03:25,796 --> 00:03:28,276 Speaker 1: the family's book. There's so many of you. How on 54 00:03:28,316 --> 00:03:31,836 Speaker 1: earth did you guys? Did you guys coordinate picking all 55 00:03:31,876 --> 00:03:34,996 Speaker 1: of these photos? Did you have like a family council 56 00:03:35,036 --> 00:03:38,516 Speaker 1: where you're all sat down and went through them? No? No, 57 00:03:38,596 --> 00:03:41,316 Speaker 1: well I was given a task. I was given that 58 00:03:41,356 --> 00:03:43,716 Speaker 1: responsibility of going through the photos. That's all we do. 59 00:03:43,756 --> 00:03:47,396 Speaker 1: What kind of delegate responsibilities? Yeah, you know, everybody this 60 00:03:47,476 --> 00:03:50,436 Speaker 1: is your project. You have you have the family's approval 61 00:03:50,476 --> 00:03:52,596 Speaker 1: and blessing is your project. Go ahead and do it, 62 00:03:52,636 --> 00:03:55,876 Speaker 1: you know. Yeah, Well, tell me about your your memories 63 00:03:55,916 --> 00:03:58,476 Speaker 1: of your father. You so you're born in sixty eight, 64 00:03:58,556 --> 00:04:01,756 Speaker 1: so you when he dies, you're you're just a teenager. 65 00:04:02,356 --> 00:04:05,756 Speaker 1: Yeah it going on thirteen. Yeah, yeah, tell me tell 66 00:04:05,796 --> 00:04:07,716 Speaker 1: me a little bit about what you remember of your father. 67 00:04:08,636 --> 00:04:11,516 Speaker 1: Well everything, I mean, there's don't to forget really because 68 00:04:11,916 --> 00:04:15,356 Speaker 1: the limited experience we've had with him, you know, everything 69 00:04:15,436 --> 00:04:20,396 Speaker 1: was memorable and left her ever lasting impact on my psyche, 70 00:04:20,636 --> 00:04:22,716 Speaker 1: you know what I say. Everything. It was like going 71 00:04:22,756 --> 00:04:25,076 Speaker 1: to school, but a different type of school, you know. 72 00:04:25,156 --> 00:04:27,636 Speaker 1: Manna says like so growing up with Bob, I mean, 73 00:04:27,716 --> 00:04:31,036 Speaker 1: there was different elements. It was a fun side, happy side, 74 00:04:31,036 --> 00:04:33,356 Speaker 1: didn't player on the children. We would travel to the 75 00:04:33,356 --> 00:04:36,996 Speaker 1: countryside his hometown u every now and again. And it's 76 00:04:37,036 --> 00:04:38,876 Speaker 1: funny remember those days. They were no seat, bess, he 77 00:04:38,916 --> 00:04:40,916 Speaker 1: would have been a lap in the front seat or 78 00:04:40,996 --> 00:04:44,796 Speaker 1: seat that no, no, no, you're back. Yeah, I believe you. 79 00:04:44,836 --> 00:04:48,356 Speaker 1: I remember that. I'mbing started making the back of a 80 00:04:48,516 --> 00:04:53,756 Speaker 1: Volkswagen Beetle driven by my uncle. Yeah. Yeah, my mom 81 00:04:53,996 --> 00:04:56,116 Speaker 1: one of those two. She had one of those beatles too. 82 00:04:56,276 --> 00:05:00,116 Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, so um but I mean, and then there 83 00:05:00,156 --> 00:05:02,116 Speaker 1: was a serious side. It was what I saw was 84 00:05:02,276 --> 00:05:05,196 Speaker 1: another discipline. This money, a lot of work hard, this money, 85 00:05:05,156 --> 00:05:07,676 Speaker 1: a lot of discipline, this manner. He's from the countryside 86 00:05:08,236 --> 00:05:15,356 Speaker 1: and he's so rude rooted in his humility that for 87 00:05:15,436 --> 00:05:17,556 Speaker 1: him to come back to his home Toner, go back 88 00:05:17,556 --> 00:05:20,996 Speaker 1: to trench Stone in the ghetto, it was like, it's 89 00:05:20,996 --> 00:05:22,876 Speaker 1: just it's just Bob. This is just Bob. It's not 90 00:05:22,956 --> 00:05:27,036 Speaker 1: like Bob the Superstarabob or whatever, you know, It's just Bob. 91 00:05:27,716 --> 00:05:31,836 Speaker 1: So I mean lots of sucker, lots of football, sucker music, 92 00:05:31,876 --> 00:05:35,036 Speaker 1: sucker music. And the spiritual side of it was a 93 00:05:35,116 --> 00:05:38,716 Speaker 1: very powerful thing. And Babbabo's love having Bible, and he 94 00:05:38,756 --> 00:05:41,876 Speaker 1: would take me and my brother Stephen to these um 95 00:05:41,916 --> 00:05:43,876 Speaker 1: what you call him. It's like service, like you know 96 00:05:43,876 --> 00:05:46,116 Speaker 1: people go to church service, or people go to the 97 00:05:46,116 --> 00:05:48,636 Speaker 1: synical or the mosque. When we are these thing called 98 00:05:48,676 --> 00:05:50,556 Speaker 1: nia bingis and we would it would be like some 99 00:05:50,636 --> 00:05:53,396 Speaker 1: weird time at night. And it was such a mystical. 100 00:05:53,556 --> 00:05:55,156 Speaker 1: That's why I said it left such an impression on 101 00:05:55,236 --> 00:05:58,796 Speaker 1: me as a child, because it was such a ni 102 00:05:58,916 --> 00:06:03,756 Speaker 1: being was such a mystical thing, you know, smoke, fire, drums, singing, chanting, 103 00:06:04,196 --> 00:06:07,916 Speaker 1: and a whole spiritual vibe. So yeah, you know, we'll 104 00:06:07,956 --> 00:06:10,636 Speaker 1: go up that kind of environe where every memory really 105 00:06:10,796 --> 00:06:12,836 Speaker 1: is stuck with us, and the memory is stuck with 106 00:06:12,916 --> 00:06:15,076 Speaker 1: us more than just a memory. It stuck with us 107 00:06:15,116 --> 00:06:20,836 Speaker 1: as like I experience that as kind of mounded us 108 00:06:20,876 --> 00:06:24,436 Speaker 1: into who we are today. You know, who is are 109 00:06:24,436 --> 00:06:27,196 Speaker 1: really a heavy thing, you know, it's heavy. Yeah. The 110 00:06:27,276 --> 00:06:29,676 Speaker 1: other part of it that's fastened to me, as I 111 00:06:29,716 --> 00:06:33,916 Speaker 1: said earlier, was the Jamaica of that period, which is 112 00:06:34,036 --> 00:06:36,156 Speaker 1: Jamaica in the seventies. So many of these photos are 113 00:06:36,156 --> 00:06:39,076 Speaker 1: about Jamakaan the seventies and Jamaica the seventies is an 114 00:06:39,156 --> 00:06:45,236 Speaker 1: intense place. I mean, politics is manly in Siaga, and 115 00:06:45,276 --> 00:06:49,396 Speaker 1: there's violence, and there's gun cord and there's reggae, and 116 00:06:49,436 --> 00:06:53,156 Speaker 1: there's you know, Don Quarry winning gold medal. I mean, 117 00:06:53,196 --> 00:06:55,596 Speaker 1: it's just sort of like there's somber go, there's a kid. 118 00:06:55,596 --> 00:06:58,876 Speaker 1: It's just like so much was coming from rural Canada 119 00:06:58,916 --> 00:07:03,356 Speaker 1: where nothing happened, to a place where everything was happening. Talk. 120 00:07:03,436 --> 00:07:04,796 Speaker 1: Can you talk a little bit about that I mean 121 00:07:04,836 --> 00:07:07,756 Speaker 1: you're in the epicenter of this because your father was 122 00:07:07,756 --> 00:07:11,196 Speaker 1: at the was the kind of in the middle of 123 00:07:10,996 --> 00:07:14,476 Speaker 1: the of the Maelstrom. Yeah, there were certain minor posts 124 00:07:14,556 --> 00:07:17,356 Speaker 1: that I can like remember about the seventies, especially the 125 00:07:17,996 --> 00:07:22,556 Speaker 1: more um turbulent times politics. So we can't go back. 126 00:07:22,676 --> 00:07:27,276 Speaker 1: I remember, um, the night my appearance were a shot, right. 127 00:07:28,076 --> 00:07:30,316 Speaker 1: I remember before my mother left to go to rearses, 128 00:07:30,356 --> 00:07:32,396 Speaker 1: I were like, yo, moment tapent to earth. I wanted 129 00:07:32,436 --> 00:07:34,156 Speaker 1: to go. I wanted to go to resta and said no, one, 130 00:07:34,196 --> 00:07:36,596 Speaker 1: like you have school tomorrow. And I was like very 131 00:07:36,636 --> 00:07:38,716 Speaker 1: like angry that she didn't let me go to rearses. 132 00:07:39,476 --> 00:07:41,956 Speaker 1: And then, you know, looking back after you the shooter, 133 00:07:42,116 --> 00:07:44,556 Speaker 1: I think she probably it was a good decision, right. 134 00:07:44,836 --> 00:07:48,396 Speaker 1: So I remember that night. I remember she leaving and 135 00:07:49,636 --> 00:07:52,396 Speaker 1: we went to bed, right, But in the middle of 136 00:07:52,396 --> 00:07:54,516 Speaker 1: the night, some police came to the house and like 137 00:07:54,996 --> 00:07:57,636 Speaker 1: grabbed us up and like there's a lot of you know, 138 00:07:57,756 --> 00:08:00,436 Speaker 1: like kiosk and like let's go move through, let's go, 139 00:08:00,556 --> 00:08:02,036 Speaker 1: let's go get the kids and mout to the house 140 00:08:02,076 --> 00:08:04,996 Speaker 1: and they drove us to wherever we're going. We don't know. 141 00:08:05,036 --> 00:08:09,996 Speaker 1: I was just like this, I was like, what is 142 00:08:10,116 --> 00:08:13,156 Speaker 1: seventy seventy six, but you're about getting the assassination the 143 00:08:13,356 --> 00:08:17,876 Speaker 1: seventy six ye. So another more impactful experience I was 144 00:08:17,916 --> 00:08:20,036 Speaker 1: with my mom. Actually we're talking about the seventies and 145 00:08:20,116 --> 00:08:22,756 Speaker 1: what was going on there, the political upheaval and just 146 00:08:22,996 --> 00:08:26,676 Speaker 1: you know, the drama everything. So my so, my mother 147 00:08:26,716 --> 00:08:28,596 Speaker 1: pick us up from school. This was during the height 148 00:08:28,716 --> 00:08:31,316 Speaker 1: of the There was a big protest going on political 149 00:08:31,396 --> 00:08:34,596 Speaker 1: They were blocking the roads, fire burning, tires burning in 150 00:08:34,636 --> 00:08:37,356 Speaker 1: the streets. So my mom pick us up from school 151 00:08:37,396 --> 00:08:40,276 Speaker 1: in in the beetle, in the VW. She's driving us 152 00:08:40,356 --> 00:08:44,236 Speaker 1: home and we'll come up on a road back. Okay, okay, 153 00:08:44,236 --> 00:08:46,236 Speaker 1: I'll get home. We're not too far from home, but 154 00:08:46,956 --> 00:08:50,036 Speaker 1: we can't pass because these guys there, there's tires burning, 155 00:08:50,396 --> 00:08:53,076 Speaker 1: and these guys are like and I remember being in 156 00:08:53,156 --> 00:08:55,116 Speaker 1: the back seat. I'm watching my mother. She came over 157 00:08:55,156 --> 00:08:57,396 Speaker 1: to the car and she confronted these guys in a 158 00:08:57,556 --> 00:09:00,796 Speaker 1: very bridge brave. I mean it's brave what she did. 159 00:09:00,876 --> 00:09:02,996 Speaker 1: She like stand up, I say, yo, and I feel 160 00:09:02,996 --> 00:09:04,956 Speaker 1: you know what if I did? She cursed or chel 161 00:09:05,516 --> 00:09:07,276 Speaker 1: and she talked them down and they're kind of like 162 00:09:07,396 --> 00:09:09,676 Speaker 1: okay and kind of part of part of the road 163 00:09:09,756 --> 00:09:12,316 Speaker 1: back and we drove toe. So that's a that's another 164 00:09:12,396 --> 00:09:16,356 Speaker 1: memory that's like from from member that time and the 165 00:09:16,636 --> 00:09:21,036 Speaker 1: turbulent political situation. Those two my post is what I 166 00:09:21,156 --> 00:09:24,116 Speaker 1: go back to. But I mean there was good times too, man, 167 00:09:24,276 --> 00:09:26,276 Speaker 1: you know what I mean. I mean going back to 168 00:09:26,396 --> 00:09:29,516 Speaker 1: Change Stone playing football. You know, it was a very 169 00:09:30,236 --> 00:09:32,236 Speaker 1: double edged sword that period of time because it was 170 00:09:32,276 --> 00:09:36,156 Speaker 1: so good too divide the energy of the music. There's 171 00:09:36,236 --> 00:09:39,636 Speaker 1: so much life and there's so much revolutionary like change, 172 00:09:39,676 --> 00:09:42,076 Speaker 1: you know, Like it's the same time Bob and Claud 173 00:09:42,236 --> 00:09:45,316 Speaker 1: mass Up, who was a strong man or a strong 174 00:09:45,436 --> 00:09:49,276 Speaker 1: arm for the political function and booking Marshall, they came 175 00:09:49,316 --> 00:09:52,236 Speaker 1: together and we're starting for kind of this on the politics. 176 00:09:52,276 --> 00:09:54,036 Speaker 1: And I was there too. I met I met all 177 00:09:54,076 --> 00:09:56,476 Speaker 1: of these guys take life, and I knew who. I 178 00:09:56,556 --> 00:09:59,436 Speaker 1: knew what was happening um and and I kind of 179 00:09:59,596 --> 00:10:01,556 Speaker 1: but actually when I got later and I kind of 180 00:10:01,636 --> 00:10:04,036 Speaker 1: understand who these guys were because I just saw them 181 00:10:04,076 --> 00:10:06,756 Speaker 1: as guys as Bob's friends, and I know they were 182 00:10:06,836 --> 00:10:09,436 Speaker 1: meeting and talking and blah blah blah. But when I 183 00:10:09,516 --> 00:10:11,916 Speaker 1: grew up with area as these guys were some dangerous men. 184 00:10:12,276 --> 00:10:14,956 Speaker 1: They were just like some la. These guys were some 185 00:10:15,076 --> 00:10:18,716 Speaker 1: serious guys, you know. So that is yeah, that is 186 00:10:18,756 --> 00:10:20,476 Speaker 1: the world. That is the world, you know, marking at 187 00:10:20,516 --> 00:10:23,236 Speaker 1: the seventies. I remember, it's funny you talk about your 188 00:10:23,276 --> 00:10:26,516 Speaker 1: mother and that roadblock. My grandfather telling me that he'd 189 00:10:26,556 --> 00:10:28,276 Speaker 1: be driving down the road and they'd be a roadblock, 190 00:10:28,476 --> 00:10:30,196 Speaker 1: and he got really good at guessing whether it was 191 00:10:30,276 --> 00:10:33,996 Speaker 1: JLP or p NP, the two two parties. So he 192 00:10:34,676 --> 00:10:38,756 Speaker 1: take a look, he's take that's JLP. Wavers fished out 193 00:10:38,796 --> 00:10:44,596 Speaker 1: the window JLP. They're like waving through next BNP. But 194 00:10:47,476 --> 00:10:50,476 Speaker 1: you know, to your point, it's the world that bursts 195 00:10:51,476 --> 00:10:54,076 Speaker 1: this extraordinar amount of your father's music. I mean, it's 196 00:10:54,156 --> 00:10:59,276 Speaker 1: what gave his music such immediacy and urgency and power. 197 00:10:59,516 --> 00:11:01,316 Speaker 1: Did your father talk a lot about the cut of 198 00:11:01,356 --> 00:11:03,756 Speaker 1: the politics of Jamaica? Not, I mean not to me. 199 00:11:03,876 --> 00:11:06,196 Speaker 1: I mean I've I've overheard stuff and i've you know, 200 00:11:06,396 --> 00:11:09,716 Speaker 1: but never directed to us. Um. Yeah, I mean he's 201 00:11:09,716 --> 00:11:14,156 Speaker 1: spoken about it. Obviously, he's not a political person to say, 202 00:11:14,276 --> 00:11:17,516 Speaker 1: well him decide these politics are that political party or whatever. 203 00:11:17,876 --> 00:11:20,556 Speaker 1: I think he was a trait because his thing was Rastafari, 204 00:11:20,716 --> 00:11:22,876 Speaker 1: which is another thing. He says, need a P and 205 00:11:22,916 --> 00:11:26,036 Speaker 1: p r GP. It's like it's own thing. And what 206 00:11:26,276 --> 00:11:29,236 Speaker 1: was happening was that I love the mentioned cloud, the 207 00:11:29,316 --> 00:11:31,996 Speaker 1: master of Bocking, Marshal. These were the strong arms, they were, 208 00:11:32,276 --> 00:11:35,836 Speaker 1: These were the enforcers of the political party, the lead enforcers. 209 00:11:36,756 --> 00:11:39,356 Speaker 1: These guys was coming over at the Bob side. So 210 00:11:39,556 --> 00:11:41,956 Speaker 1: there was a whole other thing going on that the 211 00:11:42,076 --> 00:11:46,916 Speaker 1: political powers were losing their their muscle to this other 212 00:11:47,036 --> 00:11:50,076 Speaker 1: idea of rastafar Rai, and that a waso bubble was 213 00:11:50,116 --> 00:11:52,796 Speaker 1: really about really if it, I mean, if if he 214 00:11:52,956 --> 00:11:55,876 Speaker 1: was about politics, it was the political party of Rastafari, 215 00:11:56,356 --> 00:12:00,036 Speaker 1: which is the spiritual movement, you know, change, change how 216 00:12:00,116 --> 00:12:03,316 Speaker 1: things are. So I think that was his politics. Rastafari 217 00:12:03,596 --> 00:12:06,116 Speaker 1: was his politics. We could say, you know, yeah, I 218 00:12:06,396 --> 00:12:10,516 Speaker 1: was trying to think whether there's another musical artist who 219 00:12:10,636 --> 00:12:14,116 Speaker 1: has had the same kind of status in his or 220 00:12:14,156 --> 00:12:17,116 Speaker 1: her home country as your father did. I mean, I'm 221 00:12:17,156 --> 00:12:22,676 Speaker 1: remember that famous concert where the two political figures of 222 00:12:22,756 --> 00:12:26,716 Speaker 1: the day, Siaga and Manly didn't they shake hands on 223 00:12:26,956 --> 00:12:30,236 Speaker 1: stage at a at a Bob Marley concert, Yeah, the 224 00:12:30,276 --> 00:12:34,756 Speaker 1: One Love Peace concert. Yeah. I mean the analogy would 225 00:12:34,756 --> 00:12:38,556 Speaker 1: be as if Donald Trump and Joe Biden had kind 226 00:12:38,596 --> 00:12:41,796 Speaker 1: of hugged on stage at a Bruce Springsteen concert. Right, 227 00:12:41,836 --> 00:12:44,476 Speaker 1: that's the that's the clothes, I mean, but it doesn't 228 00:12:44,516 --> 00:12:46,876 Speaker 1: need that doesn't even capture it. I mean, this is 229 00:12:46,916 --> 00:12:49,196 Speaker 1: why I love the book so much, because it takes 230 00:12:49,276 --> 00:12:53,596 Speaker 1: us back to the time and the place. Yeah, there's 231 00:12:53,876 --> 00:12:57,116 Speaker 1: wonderful photos of the One Love concert with Siaga and 232 00:12:57,636 --> 00:13:01,196 Speaker 1: Michael Manley. Yeah, I remember that it was brother went 233 00:13:01,236 --> 00:13:03,556 Speaker 1: on stage because that's what we usually do. Like me, 234 00:13:03,636 --> 00:13:06,796 Speaker 1: I'm Stephen, Stephen, you would go on stage. We would 235 00:13:06,796 --> 00:13:09,036 Speaker 1: go on stage in that last time, which is usually 236 00:13:09,156 --> 00:13:13,156 Speaker 1: exdus those times was tough to the One of Peace concert. 237 00:13:13,596 --> 00:13:15,996 Speaker 1: So I remember, let me let me. I don't think 238 00:13:16,036 --> 00:13:18,316 Speaker 1: we're having the photos that appeared. But when Bob after 239 00:13:18,396 --> 00:13:21,116 Speaker 1: that assassination attempt, and Bob had come home for the 240 00:13:21,196 --> 00:13:23,756 Speaker 1: One of Peace concert, so we all went to the 241 00:13:23,836 --> 00:13:26,396 Speaker 1: airport and you know, there was totals of people at 242 00:13:26,436 --> 00:13:28,916 Speaker 1: the airport because no Bubo is coming back. And the 243 00:13:29,036 --> 00:13:33,076 Speaker 1: thing is that political strongmen for the parties, political parties 244 00:13:33,116 --> 00:13:36,196 Speaker 1: now we're on the CMPH as Bob, and so everyone 245 00:13:36,276 --> 00:13:40,556 Speaker 1: that supports these political parties now was supporting Bob and 246 00:13:40,836 --> 00:13:43,516 Speaker 1: and and these these guys who know have their own 247 00:13:43,596 --> 00:13:48,196 Speaker 1: ideas of peace and less political violence. So the airport 248 00:13:48,356 --> 00:13:50,836 Speaker 1: was full. And then I was there and I remember 249 00:13:51,236 --> 00:13:54,756 Speaker 1: the crowd and then pulled Bob and I'm there. I'm 250 00:13:54,836 --> 00:13:58,076 Speaker 1: outside now in this crowd, all mixed up with everybody. 251 00:13:58,396 --> 00:14:00,876 Speaker 1: And Bob get pulled into a car and I'm by 252 00:14:00,916 --> 00:14:05,196 Speaker 1: the window like this bub bub Why not he pulled 253 00:14:05,236 --> 00:14:08,996 Speaker 1: me through the window. Well, you knew you got left behind. 254 00:14:10,276 --> 00:14:11,876 Speaker 1: I got mixed up in a cart and it was 255 00:14:11,916 --> 00:14:14,036 Speaker 1: like there's could no and there was no one. I 256 00:14:14,116 --> 00:14:18,796 Speaker 1: had no nannier and no one body watching me. It's 257 00:14:18,876 --> 00:14:22,716 Speaker 1: important to remember in this moment in Jamaican history, it's 258 00:14:22,756 --> 00:14:25,636 Speaker 1: almost like the country is in a state of civil war. 259 00:14:26,276 --> 00:14:29,476 Speaker 1: There is violence everywhere. You know, the people are leaving 260 00:14:29,796 --> 00:14:32,316 Speaker 1: Jamaica in droves to come to the United States or 261 00:14:32,436 --> 00:14:35,516 Speaker 1: Canada to escape. It's a kind of a crazy period. 262 00:14:35,956 --> 00:14:38,356 Speaker 1: Well it's funny, not only as civil war is like 263 00:14:38,436 --> 00:14:40,716 Speaker 1: a geopolitical world going on too at the same time, 264 00:14:40,796 --> 00:14:44,516 Speaker 1: between the United States and Russia and Cuba. Because that 265 00:14:44,716 --> 00:14:47,876 Speaker 1: was the thing. That's why Edwards Siaga he was a buston. 266 00:14:47,956 --> 00:14:50,836 Speaker 1: He guarded from Boston University, and so there was the 267 00:14:50,916 --> 00:14:56,876 Speaker 1: geopolitical situation even elevated the stakes even more. Yeah and Bob, 268 00:14:57,156 --> 00:15:00,436 Speaker 1: I mean, Bob was in a serious position and nobody knew, 269 00:15:00,636 --> 00:15:03,556 Speaker 1: but he was in a serious position because of the 270 00:15:03,636 --> 00:15:09,356 Speaker 1: geopolitical element. Would would America allow a socialist government who 271 00:15:09,516 --> 00:15:13,076 Speaker 1: has tied with Cuba to have another which would then 272 00:15:13,436 --> 00:15:17,076 Speaker 1: mean Russia having a a more influenced in that region. 273 00:15:17,836 --> 00:15:20,116 Speaker 1: You know, America didn't want that. I would not allow that. 274 00:15:20,596 --> 00:15:22,836 Speaker 1: I know. There was this guy, this singer guy who 275 00:15:23,356 --> 00:15:25,876 Speaker 1: who people were drawn to and he was like she 276 00:15:25,996 --> 00:15:31,076 Speaker 1: had some political power too, because the political strong men 277 00:15:31,196 --> 00:15:33,596 Speaker 1: and their people were no drawn to this singer guy. 278 00:15:33,716 --> 00:15:36,196 Speaker 1: Who who's this singer guy? You know what I'm saying. 279 00:15:36,236 --> 00:15:40,156 Speaker 1: So the stakes are really high beyond what I think 280 00:15:41,036 --> 00:15:43,876 Speaker 1: we realized, or even Bob might have realized at the time, 281 00:15:44,276 --> 00:15:46,916 Speaker 1: our people around him. You know. We'll be back with 282 00:15:47,036 --> 00:15:54,316 Speaker 1: Malcolm Gladwell and Ziggy Marley after a break. We're back 283 00:15:54,356 --> 00:15:57,796 Speaker 1: with more from Ziggy Marley and Malcolm Gladwell. Can you 284 00:15:57,916 --> 00:16:00,516 Speaker 1: think of a musical figure who is an analogous to 285 00:16:00,596 --> 00:16:06,556 Speaker 1: your father? Yeah? I think more Fella Cut from Nigeria. Yeah, 286 00:16:07,036 --> 00:16:10,236 Speaker 1: and him he was. He was another one of my 287 00:16:10,436 --> 00:16:14,396 Speaker 1: I met him once, um chica, but he was he 288 00:16:14,556 --> 00:16:16,796 Speaker 1: was serious. He was really and I mean what he 289 00:16:16,876 --> 00:16:20,836 Speaker 1: didn't in Nigeria starting up against the government, the brutality 290 00:16:20,876 --> 00:16:24,316 Speaker 1: and the songs he wrote about that. Really he just 291 00:16:24,476 --> 00:16:27,276 Speaker 1: like my father had assassination and m I mean they 292 00:16:27,316 --> 00:16:29,756 Speaker 1: would read him and beat him and beat his mother 293 00:16:29,836 --> 00:16:33,116 Speaker 1: and you know type of things. So fella co would 294 00:16:33,116 --> 00:16:36,316 Speaker 1: be a good analogy to Bob, I think, yeah, yeah, 295 00:16:36,356 --> 00:16:38,396 Speaker 1: And there are a couple maybe a couple of South 296 00:16:38,436 --> 00:16:42,796 Speaker 1: African um maybe it would be a good analogy. But 297 00:16:43,476 --> 00:16:46,596 Speaker 1: when do you become aware that you want to make 298 00:16:46,676 --> 00:16:48,876 Speaker 1: your life in music? Is that something that comes to 299 00:16:48,916 --> 00:16:51,276 Speaker 1: you very young and looking at your father or afterwards 300 00:16:51,356 --> 00:16:53,996 Speaker 1: after his death? Now it come? It come before that. 301 00:16:54,116 --> 00:16:56,196 Speaker 1: I mean the first concert would play was a concert 302 00:16:56,316 --> 00:16:59,756 Speaker 1: that U Baba was on was the International Year of 303 00:16:59,796 --> 00:17:03,476 Speaker 1: the Children, what I hear? That was seventy nine. So 304 00:17:03,756 --> 00:17:05,436 Speaker 1: he and he wrote the first song that we have 305 00:17:05,516 --> 00:17:08,516 Speaker 1: a song. Yeah, So we was out of his music 306 00:17:08,596 --> 00:17:11,276 Speaker 1: and bab always call us to sing when he's writing it. 307 00:17:12,036 --> 00:17:14,676 Speaker 1: It comes sing we're playing, we want to go play, 308 00:17:14,876 --> 00:17:18,516 Speaker 1: telling us to come sing. You know. We started very 309 00:17:18,556 --> 00:17:22,756 Speaker 1: young with music. The thing I get from Barba musically speaking, 310 00:17:24,116 --> 00:17:28,276 Speaker 1: is a discipline and the focus and the seriousness in 311 00:17:28,396 --> 00:17:31,156 Speaker 1: which you approach the music, the respect that you gave 312 00:17:31,196 --> 00:17:33,076 Speaker 1: the music. So you have to put in the work 313 00:17:33,636 --> 00:17:35,716 Speaker 1: that shows you respect the music. It's not like it 314 00:17:35,836 --> 00:17:37,796 Speaker 1: does better and you know you have a sing the 315 00:17:37,876 --> 00:17:40,796 Speaker 1: right now, you have a practice, you know. So really 316 00:17:40,836 --> 00:17:43,076 Speaker 1: when we used to see that Rorstie and watch Bob 317 00:17:43,116 --> 00:17:46,396 Speaker 1: the Mirs, and I think for some reason I grew 318 00:17:46,476 --> 00:17:49,716 Speaker 1: up taking that ethic of hard work and and and 319 00:17:49,876 --> 00:17:52,316 Speaker 1: putting it into my own music of my life in general, 320 00:17:52,396 --> 00:17:55,036 Speaker 1: you know, without they exercise and or whatever. I think 321 00:17:55,396 --> 00:17:59,716 Speaker 1: seeing him just you know, grinding and like, well I'm 322 00:17:59,756 --> 00:18:03,076 Speaker 1: making it right. And the discipline, the discipline, you know 323 00:18:03,396 --> 00:18:07,076 Speaker 1: said the discipline is really a strung impact. I mean 324 00:18:07,196 --> 00:18:09,956 Speaker 1: is seeing that discipline as as growing up around that. 325 00:18:10,916 --> 00:18:12,556 Speaker 1: Can you talk a little bit about the way he 326 00:18:12,716 --> 00:18:15,276 Speaker 1: made music? I mean, was there was there a kind 327 00:18:15,316 --> 00:18:18,716 Speaker 1: of an approach that a particular approaching. Can you can 328 00:18:18,796 --> 00:18:20,916 Speaker 1: you give a lovess of an example of how he 329 00:18:20,996 --> 00:18:24,036 Speaker 1: worked and how he created? Well what I saw and 330 00:18:24,196 --> 00:18:28,436 Speaker 1: this was probably in Miami at his mother's house. Yeah, 331 00:18:28,836 --> 00:18:31,316 Speaker 1: but he always had his guitar around and a lot 332 00:18:31,396 --> 00:18:33,476 Speaker 1: of time it's mumbling, you don't it's not a song. 333 00:18:33,636 --> 00:18:38,196 Speaker 1: He does her ideas coming out, And for me, he 334 00:18:38,236 --> 00:18:40,716 Speaker 1: would always have fun with it. It doesn't like I 335 00:18:40,836 --> 00:18:43,916 Speaker 1: see us like writing and you know, it was always 336 00:18:43,956 --> 00:18:48,556 Speaker 1: like something very joyful in the process, was very joyful 337 00:18:48,596 --> 00:18:52,276 Speaker 1: and happy and people are own and laughing and you know, 338 00:18:52,436 --> 00:18:55,356 Speaker 1: did you getting the lyrics? Making fun? There's this one 339 00:18:55,796 --> 00:18:57,836 Speaker 1: another one thing he remember did release this one. It 340 00:18:57,956 --> 00:19:00,116 Speaker 1: was really this kind of like he did as a demo. 341 00:19:00,196 --> 00:19:02,356 Speaker 1: Really it's kind of like a really good time and 342 00:19:02,716 --> 00:19:05,676 Speaker 1: I remember him beating in Miami in his bedroom with 343 00:19:05,836 --> 00:19:08,756 Speaker 1: his Ovision guitar, and it was just having fun with 344 00:19:08,836 --> 00:19:11,876 Speaker 1: you in a real good time, you know, and people 345 00:19:12,036 --> 00:19:14,556 Speaker 1: you know, I'm a smoke split fun. It's just a 346 00:19:14,676 --> 00:19:16,516 Speaker 1: good energy, just a good vibe. You know. I'm that 347 00:19:16,636 --> 00:19:18,876 Speaker 1: says like And then I you never hear when the 348 00:19:18,916 --> 00:19:20,956 Speaker 1: sound compete. You only hear when it come on the record. 349 00:19:21,276 --> 00:19:23,436 Speaker 1: You hear pieces of with ideas of things, you know, 350 00:19:23,756 --> 00:19:26,196 Speaker 1: and then you hear a record, So you never I 351 00:19:26,276 --> 00:19:30,076 Speaker 1: never really him compete one song writing a song completely. 352 00:19:30,556 --> 00:19:32,316 Speaker 1: You know you're already here a little bit sent pieces 353 00:19:32,396 --> 00:19:37,916 Speaker 1: here and there. When your father became ill, was there 354 00:19:37,916 --> 00:19:40,956 Speaker 1: a sense of urgency with him? Did his work take 355 00:19:41,036 --> 00:19:44,716 Speaker 1: on him a new kind of seriousness? No, he was 356 00:19:44,756 --> 00:19:47,796 Speaker 1: always urgent from him. I mean he was urgent from 357 00:19:47,836 --> 00:19:50,716 Speaker 1: the get go, because there are a few examples of 358 00:19:51,156 --> 00:19:54,596 Speaker 1: that kind of energy of his urgency, of his work, ethic, 359 00:19:54,716 --> 00:19:57,956 Speaker 1: of his determination. So he was in the band Win 360 00:19:58,036 --> 00:20:00,156 Speaker 1: that with with Bonnie and Peter the Street guys. Right, 361 00:20:00,196 --> 00:20:04,156 Speaker 1: they were in his band and obviously have a world code. 362 00:20:04,356 --> 00:20:07,876 Speaker 1: Because occurring to what he said in an interview is 363 00:20:08,196 --> 00:20:10,716 Speaker 1: like and him said these words, he used my name, 364 00:20:10,996 --> 00:20:14,076 Speaker 1: he says, if if you would think when Ziggie wants 365 00:20:14,116 --> 00:20:16,676 Speaker 1: to go to school that he can say blah black. 366 00:20:16,996 --> 00:20:18,356 Speaker 1: He didn't want to work, He didn't want to do 367 00:20:18,476 --> 00:20:21,436 Speaker 1: this what you know, So he wants to work, you know, 368 00:20:21,516 --> 00:20:24,036 Speaker 1: he he wants to get things done. There was always 369 00:20:24,036 --> 00:20:26,956 Speaker 1: an urgency. There was never a lap time. There was 370 00:20:27,036 --> 00:20:29,836 Speaker 1: named a lap time. There was always music. There was 371 00:20:29,916 --> 00:20:32,716 Speaker 1: never and the like all right, let me take a vacation, No, 372 00:20:33,276 --> 00:20:35,036 Speaker 1: I let me go chill out. No, there's no. It 373 00:20:35,196 --> 00:20:38,156 Speaker 1: was like thirty six I mean how much year in 374 00:20:38,396 --> 00:20:41,676 Speaker 1: thirty six years of like pushing you know, pushing and 375 00:20:41,796 --> 00:20:45,516 Speaker 1: pushing and pushing it touring, never stopping, so that urgency 376 00:20:45,636 --> 00:20:49,276 Speaker 1: fee was always there. Of all of his music, what 377 00:20:49,396 --> 00:20:52,116 Speaker 1: are the songs that speak to you? Do most? The 378 00:20:52,236 --> 00:20:56,636 Speaker 1: song that gets minimost redemption song? Because I remember shout 379 00:20:56,716 --> 00:20:58,916 Speaker 1: haf Empass that was the album that was this album. 380 00:20:59,076 --> 00:21:04,876 Speaker 1: That song was was the emotional spear, the emotional arrow. 381 00:21:04,956 --> 00:21:06,596 Speaker 1: You know when you hear that song like that in 382 00:21:06,716 --> 00:21:09,156 Speaker 1: that time it so that memory of that song I 383 00:21:09,276 --> 00:21:12,356 Speaker 1: related to that time period and it was him and 384 00:21:12,436 --> 00:21:16,316 Speaker 1: his guitar. It's so it's so soulful and just the 385 00:21:16,476 --> 00:21:20,316 Speaker 1: final thing is just Himan guitar, and so that song 386 00:21:20,396 --> 00:21:23,596 Speaker 1: always kind of have an emotional impact on me. Yeah, 387 00:21:23,876 --> 00:21:26,876 Speaker 1: I wanted to know more about your childhood. There's a 388 00:21:26,956 --> 00:21:30,636 Speaker 1: lot of moving around. Your family went to London right 389 00:21:30,716 --> 00:21:33,396 Speaker 1: after the shooting, is that right? Yeah, but we we 390 00:21:33,756 --> 00:21:36,876 Speaker 1: never got to land on so all right, So chrenchedtwne 391 00:21:37,036 --> 00:21:39,596 Speaker 1: right changedtone where I was born in Chrenstone. We grew 392 00:21:39,636 --> 00:21:42,596 Speaker 1: up in a chrenchedtone look a bit and then moved 393 00:21:42,636 --> 00:21:45,756 Speaker 1: to Delaware where his modad moved I'd migrated to. So 394 00:21:45,836 --> 00:21:48,596 Speaker 1: we lived in Delaware, Willimanton and Delaware. I went to 395 00:21:48,636 --> 00:21:51,396 Speaker 1: school elementary school in Delaware for maybe a year or so. 396 00:21:52,036 --> 00:21:54,876 Speaker 1: Then we'll move back to Jamaica, but we'll move out 397 00:21:54,916 --> 00:21:58,076 Speaker 1: a chrenchedtone and moving to a place called Bulb, which 398 00:21:58,156 --> 00:22:00,756 Speaker 1: is a much better standard of living. It's like, you know, 399 00:22:01,356 --> 00:22:03,916 Speaker 1: not poor, but not rich. It's like the middle like 400 00:22:04,036 --> 00:22:06,396 Speaker 1: middle class or something like that in Jamaica at the time. 401 00:22:07,276 --> 00:22:10,596 Speaker 1: But it's funny. Within that middle class community where my 402 00:22:10,676 --> 00:22:12,636 Speaker 1: mother live, we would still with our grand aunt and 403 00:22:12,716 --> 00:22:14,316 Speaker 1: it was like we had to walk up the road 404 00:22:14,356 --> 00:22:16,756 Speaker 1: and up the hill and she was living in a 405 00:22:16,836 --> 00:22:20,516 Speaker 1: poor a poor class house with no water and no toilet, 406 00:22:20,996 --> 00:22:24,076 Speaker 1: no nothing. So right, we didn't that middle class thing. 407 00:22:24,116 --> 00:22:25,876 Speaker 1: There's right. If I went to my aunt, I was 408 00:22:25,916 --> 00:22:28,356 Speaker 1: I was like I was in another neighborhood. And so 409 00:22:28,476 --> 00:22:31,236 Speaker 1: we would stay with her a lot of times because 410 00:22:31,316 --> 00:22:33,276 Speaker 1: mommy and Daddy would go on tour and then we 411 00:22:33,356 --> 00:22:35,596 Speaker 1: would have to stay with grand and Auntie in that 412 00:22:35,836 --> 00:22:38,956 Speaker 1: hose there. And then after that we moved to an 413 00:22:39,036 --> 00:22:42,956 Speaker 1: upper middle class neighborhood now and then after after my 414 00:22:43,036 --> 00:22:45,476 Speaker 1: father passed up, when mother moved us into a more 415 00:22:45,596 --> 00:22:48,436 Speaker 1: upper class in the hills with a big hose and uh, 416 00:22:48,876 --> 00:22:52,636 Speaker 1: lots of rooms and stuff like that. So yeah, that 417 00:22:52,796 --> 00:22:56,036 Speaker 1: was a movement and we was fun as a child. 418 00:22:57,036 --> 00:22:59,756 Speaker 1: Everything was a great learning experience, you know, this life 419 00:23:00,196 --> 00:23:01,836 Speaker 1: with my family and my father and my mother and 420 00:23:02,036 --> 00:23:05,316 Speaker 1: what they were going through. I was also learning from. 421 00:23:05,316 --> 00:23:08,396 Speaker 1: At the same time, what's it like going back to 422 00:23:08,476 --> 00:23:12,236 Speaker 1: Jamaica now? Let down? I haven't been back in a 423 00:23:12,316 --> 00:23:14,396 Speaker 1: wire is still about going back when I went back 424 00:23:14,516 --> 00:23:16,516 Speaker 1: last time? Jamaica? I mean a lot, A lot has 425 00:23:16,636 --> 00:23:20,116 Speaker 1: changed another generation, A lot of the vibe has changed, 426 00:23:20,636 --> 00:23:22,596 Speaker 1: the oldlook has changed. You know. I'm I'm a lot 427 00:23:22,676 --> 00:23:28,476 Speaker 1: of more americanization of Jamaica. But the countryside is where 428 00:23:28,556 --> 00:23:32,356 Speaker 1: the magic still remains. You know. The city, the city's side, 429 00:23:32,476 --> 00:23:35,516 Speaker 1: I'm not so, I'm not. It's not a when we 430 00:23:35,636 --> 00:23:37,916 Speaker 1: when we were growing up in a city. It wasn't 431 00:23:37,956 --> 00:23:40,796 Speaker 1: like I met a big metropolitan turn city. It was 432 00:23:40,916 --> 00:23:42,836 Speaker 1: like a little town and it was still had that 433 00:23:43,156 --> 00:23:46,436 Speaker 1: vibe of like you're still in Jamaica, but no it 434 00:23:46,596 --> 00:23:49,596 Speaker 1: kind of city kind of get a little more hectic, 435 00:23:50,276 --> 00:23:53,116 Speaker 1: and so what the countryside is still weird. It's Jamaica 436 00:23:53,116 --> 00:23:56,036 Speaker 1: has a vibe to it. You don't really get anywhere 437 00:23:56,036 --> 00:24:00,116 Speaker 1: ees for me, you know, it's a very inspirational place. Um, 438 00:24:00,156 --> 00:24:03,636 Speaker 1: if you find the right spot, you know. Yeah, yeah, Fleming, 439 00:24:03,756 --> 00:24:06,796 Speaker 1: he wrote his ga bund stuff in Jamaica. Golden Eye, 440 00:24:07,636 --> 00:24:10,156 Speaker 1: Golden Eye is written in Jamaica. Well, and I new 441 00:24:10,196 --> 00:24:13,236 Speaker 1: pot Antonio. I think there's a there was a there 442 00:24:13,356 --> 00:24:16,156 Speaker 1: was a house he state at. Yes, that's right. Yeah, yeah, 443 00:24:16,436 --> 00:24:20,876 Speaker 1: so plenty inspiration. Yeah, it's easy to see why Jamaicans 444 00:24:20,916 --> 00:24:24,756 Speaker 1: have such an inflated sense of their own importance, because 445 00:24:24,836 --> 00:24:31,276 Speaker 1: the whole world comes running very very Yeah. We'll talk 446 00:24:31,276 --> 00:24:33,596 Speaker 1: about some of the photographs that mean the most to 447 00:24:33,596 --> 00:24:36,556 Speaker 1: you in this book. My first question was how many 448 00:24:36,556 --> 00:24:39,396 Speaker 1: of these photographs did you take, our other family members 449 00:24:39,476 --> 00:24:44,356 Speaker 1: take and how many of them are professional photographs? Well, um, 450 00:24:45,436 --> 00:24:48,276 Speaker 1: I didn't, We didn't take any. These aren't all photographs. 451 00:24:48,396 --> 00:24:51,796 Speaker 1: These are professional. There's there's this friend never who used 452 00:24:51,836 --> 00:24:53,836 Speaker 1: to do his lighting and designed his album, or don't 453 00:24:53,876 --> 00:24:56,556 Speaker 1: have some photos in there. But with the book, what 454 00:24:56,676 --> 00:24:59,036 Speaker 1: we what I try to do is um do a 455 00:24:59,116 --> 00:25:02,276 Speaker 1: balance of those type of professionals like iconic images and 456 00:25:02,396 --> 00:25:05,676 Speaker 1: with more like images of you know, just in real 457 00:25:05,836 --> 00:25:09,876 Speaker 1: life outside of the musician, outside of the stage, you know, 458 00:25:10,036 --> 00:25:13,316 Speaker 1: show some bad you know, show him beyond that and 459 00:25:14,636 --> 00:25:16,236 Speaker 1: as I said in the book, try and make people 460 00:25:16,596 --> 00:25:18,996 Speaker 1: even feel a deeper relationship too, because if you know 461 00:25:19,196 --> 00:25:22,116 Speaker 1: someone just as your eye can are as you as 462 00:25:22,156 --> 00:25:26,036 Speaker 1: a as a musician, I mean a singer, then that's 463 00:25:26,076 --> 00:25:27,556 Speaker 1: one we have known him. But if you can't get 464 00:25:27,796 --> 00:25:31,516 Speaker 1: a deeper understanding of his life during not seeing period 465 00:25:31,516 --> 00:25:34,396 Speaker 1: of time beyond that, then you can feel even more 466 00:25:34,476 --> 00:25:38,196 Speaker 1: connected to the person and that level. So that's what 467 00:25:38,356 --> 00:25:39,636 Speaker 1: I was trying to do with the book, you know, 468 00:25:39,756 --> 00:25:43,116 Speaker 1: but we never, unfortunate way at the time, we never 469 00:25:43,196 --> 00:25:45,556 Speaker 1: really do a letter. You know, we never have cameras 470 00:25:45,556 --> 00:25:47,876 Speaker 1: and we never have a camera. We never have a camera. Yeah, 471 00:25:48,156 --> 00:25:53,156 Speaker 1: you know, photographers have cameras. We don't have cameras. With 472 00:25:53,356 --> 00:25:57,596 Speaker 1: the process of going through all these photographs painful, what's 473 00:25:57,636 --> 00:25:59,996 Speaker 1: the brought back all kinds of memories, yah know, but 474 00:26:00,156 --> 00:26:03,396 Speaker 1: joyful not painful. I mean melan Calibo barbers are here. 475 00:26:04,076 --> 00:26:05,756 Speaker 1: And when you look at the photograph and say, oh, 476 00:26:05,796 --> 00:26:08,436 Speaker 1: what a young man, I'm fifty I'm fifty two, knows 477 00:26:08,436 --> 00:26:10,276 Speaker 1: so when I look at him, he's like, we get 478 00:26:10,316 --> 00:26:12,836 Speaker 1: this young guy, young kid, you know what I mean? 479 00:26:13,036 --> 00:26:15,036 Speaker 1: Why you know, it's so that is a sad thing. 480 00:26:15,636 --> 00:26:18,436 Speaker 1: But there's so much the joy overwear that. There's so 481 00:26:18,556 --> 00:26:23,036 Speaker 1: much joy. I'm just looking at him and seeing him 482 00:26:23,116 --> 00:26:25,956 Speaker 1: in that where where I know he was having a 483 00:26:25,996 --> 00:26:28,036 Speaker 1: good time while he was doing it too. You know, 484 00:26:28,116 --> 00:26:31,076 Speaker 1: he wasn't upstad he was having a good time. He enjoyed, 485 00:26:31,196 --> 00:26:33,676 Speaker 1: He enjoyed his experience, you know what I mean. I said, 486 00:26:33,716 --> 00:26:36,436 Speaker 1: So I feeling happier about that guy. I know he 487 00:26:36,556 --> 00:26:38,716 Speaker 1: was having a good time doing it. You know, there's 488 00:26:38,756 --> 00:26:40,876 Speaker 1: a fart we want to talk about the four Let's 489 00:26:40,876 --> 00:26:45,116 Speaker 1: go to the p ninety seven China ninety seven. If 490 00:26:45,156 --> 00:26:48,196 Speaker 1: you can't come from it seemed it seemed like at 491 00:26:48,236 --> 00:26:52,076 Speaker 1: his home, in his home in the countryside. Yes, so 492 00:26:52,316 --> 00:26:54,156 Speaker 1: this guy I used to we used to go to 493 00:26:54,236 --> 00:26:55,996 Speaker 1: the country to him. This is the same time we 494 00:26:56,116 --> 00:26:57,916 Speaker 1: used to go back with him and a chip and 495 00:26:58,076 --> 00:27:00,316 Speaker 1: this this is just a real barb. You know, I'm 496 00:27:00,316 --> 00:27:03,076 Speaker 1: gonna said, this is and these are the people, This 497 00:27:03,196 --> 00:27:05,676 Speaker 1: is where Bob come from. These are his people, this 498 00:27:05,836 --> 00:27:09,956 Speaker 1: is his roots. He was born on this land. And 499 00:27:10,516 --> 00:27:12,996 Speaker 1: I mean, you can't see the guys he's coming to. 500 00:27:13,316 --> 00:27:15,036 Speaker 1: He's either coming from the field. I go into the 501 00:27:15,076 --> 00:27:17,476 Speaker 1: field him have some properly yea my stuff in that 502 00:27:17,556 --> 00:27:21,436 Speaker 1: crocus bag you have there, and everybody. I mean, Bubba 503 00:27:21,516 --> 00:27:23,116 Speaker 1: is just one of the people. He was just one 504 00:27:23,196 --> 00:27:26,596 Speaker 1: of them. And as you can see, and he's talking, 505 00:27:26,716 --> 00:27:28,516 Speaker 1: he's eating a banner and I'm talking to some of 506 00:27:28,596 --> 00:27:30,676 Speaker 1: the kids them, you know, and some of them have 507 00:27:30,796 --> 00:27:34,156 Speaker 1: shoes and some do have shoes on and they're laughing 508 00:27:34,276 --> 00:27:39,476 Speaker 1: subab well, you know, in communication with people, of good 509 00:27:39,516 --> 00:27:42,876 Speaker 1: communications skill with people, and you know, yeah, and just 510 00:27:43,036 --> 00:27:45,836 Speaker 1: having fun. He was an entry in life. He's sitting 511 00:27:45,876 --> 00:27:47,716 Speaker 1: and he's sitting on the stairs here on the next 512 00:27:47,796 --> 00:27:51,916 Speaker 1: page over their pictures, is I mean he's so you 513 00:27:51,996 --> 00:27:55,436 Speaker 1: can just tell how relacs and at home he is. Yeah, yeah, yeah, 514 00:27:55,996 --> 00:27:58,116 Speaker 1: but at the time this photo is taking, he's at 515 00:27:58,116 --> 00:28:01,876 Speaker 1: the height of his fame. Yeah, man, after the assassination 516 00:28:02,036 --> 00:28:04,796 Speaker 1: at him. So this is yeah, he's at the height 517 00:28:04,956 --> 00:28:07,956 Speaker 1: right here. And this is as you see this, he's 518 00:28:08,036 --> 00:28:09,956 Speaker 1: leaning on the other page, leaning up on the v 519 00:28:10,156 --> 00:28:12,196 Speaker 1: W Van. This is so we had my mother had 520 00:28:12,236 --> 00:28:14,796 Speaker 1: a beat her and he he would drive this v 521 00:28:15,036 --> 00:28:17,836 Speaker 1: W van. I think those are the only two kinds 522 00:28:17,836 --> 00:28:21,276 Speaker 1: of cars they were in Jamaica in those years, Vans 523 00:28:21,356 --> 00:28:27,676 Speaker 1: and VW Beatles. So yeah, and yeah, some of these people. 524 00:28:27,876 --> 00:28:30,476 Speaker 1: Some of them his cousins too. There's a couple of 525 00:28:30,516 --> 00:28:32,996 Speaker 1: cousins in here. This is at the home and then 526 00:28:33,356 --> 00:28:37,036 Speaker 1: this is the last further from that series. I think, um, 527 00:28:37,116 --> 00:28:38,796 Speaker 1: if you go to the next bit, is him sitting 528 00:28:38,836 --> 00:28:42,876 Speaker 1: down still in sentence, but he's alone, his guitars on 529 00:28:42,956 --> 00:28:45,316 Speaker 1: the floor here on the ground right here, and he's 530 00:28:45,596 --> 00:28:48,836 Speaker 1: he's beer foot also right there. This fortune always like, 531 00:28:49,596 --> 00:28:52,796 Speaker 1: this is Bob. I think Bob was always like Alona, 532 00:28:52,916 --> 00:28:54,796 Speaker 1: and he always felt alone although he had so many 533 00:28:54,876 --> 00:28:58,156 Speaker 1: people around him. This is Bob. This is him, and 534 00:28:58,236 --> 00:29:01,316 Speaker 1: he's like, this is his meditation. This is him like 535 00:29:01,476 --> 00:29:03,596 Speaker 1: in his space, you know what I'm saying, alone and 536 00:29:03,876 --> 00:29:05,956 Speaker 1: us vibing. I felt like he felt like he was 537 00:29:05,996 --> 00:29:09,596 Speaker 1: always alone, um in somewhere, you know. This kind of 538 00:29:09,636 --> 00:29:13,116 Speaker 1: represent that lundiness in a way. We'll be back with 539 00:29:13,276 --> 00:29:18,036 Speaker 1: more from Ziggy Marley after this quick break. We're back 540 00:29:18,076 --> 00:29:21,276 Speaker 1: with the rest of Malcolm's conversation with Ziggy Marley. As 541 00:29:21,276 --> 00:29:24,116 Speaker 1: an added bonus, you'll hear the Live Talks Los Angeles 542 00:29:24,276 --> 00:29:27,396 Speaker 1: moderator take questions from the audience at the end of 543 00:29:27,476 --> 00:29:30,996 Speaker 1: Malcolm's interview. I love some of these group shots there's 544 00:29:31,356 --> 00:29:35,396 Speaker 1: there's on page fifty there's this fantastic group shot with 545 00:29:35,516 --> 00:29:39,596 Speaker 1: the band. Yes, all right, this fourth done was taken 546 00:29:39,756 --> 00:29:42,596 Speaker 1: in in England. I was here. I was there. Oh 547 00:29:42,676 --> 00:29:47,356 Speaker 1: really we were I underway to Zimbabwe. Are coming from Zimbabwe. 548 00:29:48,156 --> 00:29:50,996 Speaker 1: That's why the next quarter of me, if you look 549 00:29:51,036 --> 00:29:53,196 Speaker 1: at next quarter, this is England too. So this is 550 00:29:53,396 --> 00:29:56,996 Speaker 1: this is a time period. We're there, um right before Zimbabwe. 551 00:29:57,036 --> 00:29:59,636 Speaker 1: Are after Zimbabwe. We were in. Yeah. And I had 552 00:29:59,676 --> 00:30:02,396 Speaker 1: went on the trip with him, and you know, football 553 00:30:02,436 --> 00:30:06,276 Speaker 1: as he was. I had not realized the extent to 554 00:30:06,316 --> 00:30:09,556 Speaker 1: which she was a soccer First of all, I know 555 00:30:09,636 --> 00:30:11,556 Speaker 1: you're a son, but I want you to be honest. 556 00:30:11,836 --> 00:30:14,316 Speaker 1: How good was he? That was good. I mean I 557 00:30:14,356 --> 00:30:17,316 Speaker 1: remember he played against me when I was in um, 558 00:30:18,156 --> 00:30:20,196 Speaker 1: you know, sometimes an appearance versus I was on a 559 00:30:20,236 --> 00:30:23,836 Speaker 1: soccer team in elementary school and I remember he came. 560 00:30:24,076 --> 00:30:26,796 Speaker 1: There was appearance versus you know, students, and you know, 561 00:30:26,916 --> 00:30:29,076 Speaker 1: so he came and I was like, yeah, I'm marked 562 00:30:29,116 --> 00:30:33,756 Speaker 1: this guy. I'm marked. I have this guy. I'll take him. Um. 563 00:30:33,836 --> 00:30:36,636 Speaker 1: He was fast, which is good. Yeah, and he had 564 00:30:36,636 --> 00:30:39,276 Speaker 1: a good kick and you're a good player. He was 565 00:30:39,276 --> 00:30:42,396 Speaker 1: a good player, man, because he he id alized soccer player. 566 00:30:42,436 --> 00:30:44,436 Speaker 1: One of his good friends was Alan Skillicode, who was 567 00:30:44,476 --> 00:30:46,596 Speaker 1: like the top Jamaican player at the time, and they 568 00:30:46,676 --> 00:30:50,196 Speaker 1: were good friends. So I mean he kept fit, he 569 00:30:50,356 --> 00:30:54,356 Speaker 1: kept his workout. Was like a professional soccer player work card. 570 00:30:54,876 --> 00:30:57,476 Speaker 1: You know, I've dominas, you know, running on the sand 571 00:30:57,556 --> 00:30:59,796 Speaker 1: playing soccer like that was that was That was a 572 00:30:59,876 --> 00:31:03,156 Speaker 1: work called there's a soccer player work called basically, and 573 00:31:03,316 --> 00:31:05,476 Speaker 1: his friends, all of his friends were soccer players. I 574 00:31:05,556 --> 00:31:09,316 Speaker 1: could play soccer. Yeah, he was drawn towards you know, 575 00:31:09,396 --> 00:31:11,996 Speaker 1: people like that. You know, but Ziggy, to be a 576 00:31:12,316 --> 00:31:17,356 Speaker 1: fan of Jamaican soccer, is it exercising masochism. It's like 577 00:31:17,516 --> 00:31:19,716 Speaker 1: the I know that from my cousins. Nothing is more 578 00:31:19,796 --> 00:31:24,596 Speaker 1: painful than this team that just loses and loses and loses. No, 579 00:31:24,756 --> 00:31:26,476 Speaker 1: but the funny And we have some of the best 580 00:31:26,596 --> 00:31:29,996 Speaker 1: players in the world. But I don't know. I think 581 00:31:30,036 --> 00:31:32,276 Speaker 1: we had some great players and um, but we have 582 00:31:32,316 --> 00:31:35,076 Speaker 1: the best runner. You always have the best runners, the 583 00:31:35,076 --> 00:31:38,276 Speaker 1: fastest runner. That's all. But that's been true forever. Um. 584 00:31:38,476 --> 00:31:41,076 Speaker 1: I want to talk a little bit about your own music, 585 00:31:42,076 --> 00:31:45,916 Speaker 1: and you must have thought about you had this extraordinary 586 00:31:45,996 --> 00:31:49,436 Speaker 1: gift which is the gift of your father and his legacy, 587 00:31:49,756 --> 00:31:53,636 Speaker 1: but it also presents a challenge to kind of carve 588 00:31:53,676 --> 00:31:56,316 Speaker 1: out your own identity and that how have you approached that? 589 00:31:57,516 --> 00:31:59,276 Speaker 1: When I go back and look at my history, right, 590 00:31:59,316 --> 00:32:03,356 Speaker 1: our family history, so we have musicians and artists on 591 00:32:03,436 --> 00:32:05,836 Speaker 1: both sides of my family. A lot of people always 592 00:32:05,876 --> 00:32:08,156 Speaker 1: talk about my father and legas and my mother was 593 00:32:08,156 --> 00:32:12,076 Speaker 1: also key in um in everything. My mother was actually 594 00:32:12,116 --> 00:32:14,916 Speaker 1: a keen. Bob's success wet my mother, Bob wouldn't be 595 00:32:14,956 --> 00:32:17,956 Speaker 1: as successful. I wouldn't even have bod he has. She 596 00:32:18,196 --> 00:32:20,716 Speaker 1: was the one who reintroduced him or introduced him to 597 00:32:20,716 --> 00:32:24,036 Speaker 1: the Rassafara and culture, which had a big impact on 598 00:32:24,196 --> 00:32:28,756 Speaker 1: him mentally and spirituality. She's the one who when they 599 00:32:28,916 --> 00:32:30,756 Speaker 1: didn't have nothing, She's the one who gave him somewhere 600 00:32:30,796 --> 00:32:32,956 Speaker 1: to sleep, and she was the one who slept on 601 00:32:32,996 --> 00:32:35,716 Speaker 1: the floor with him in the studios, who sold records 602 00:32:35,876 --> 00:32:39,796 Speaker 1: with him on their heads, riding their bicycles through through 603 00:32:39,876 --> 00:32:42,636 Speaker 1: the streets. She was the one who got shut in 604 00:32:42,676 --> 00:32:44,916 Speaker 1: her head the same time he got shut in her hand, 605 00:32:44,916 --> 00:32:47,036 Speaker 1: and still showed up for the concert when other people 606 00:32:47,076 --> 00:32:49,116 Speaker 1: are like, no, we're not going. She still had a 607 00:32:49,156 --> 00:32:53,676 Speaker 1: bullet in her head. So her impact and his legacy 608 00:32:53,716 --> 00:32:56,516 Speaker 1: and where we are is I always remember that too, 609 00:32:57,076 --> 00:33:00,436 Speaker 1: you know, when I think about my um, what you 610 00:33:00,556 --> 00:33:03,916 Speaker 1: just asked me about, you know, making my own way 611 00:33:03,996 --> 00:33:06,836 Speaker 1: or whatever, I remember that what I have is that 612 00:33:06,956 --> 00:33:09,956 Speaker 1: just coming in from my father's, coming from my mother, 613 00:33:10,756 --> 00:33:14,796 Speaker 1: her grandfather, her father. My grandfather was a saxophone player. 614 00:33:15,356 --> 00:33:19,796 Speaker 1: My father, mother and his family were all church people, singers, 615 00:33:19,916 --> 00:33:23,596 Speaker 1: they're singing churches, and so the spirit there there's you know, 616 00:33:23,676 --> 00:33:27,396 Speaker 1: so it's both sides. And for me, yes, I understand 617 00:33:27,436 --> 00:33:31,196 Speaker 1: the question of my father and his wit or his 618 00:33:31,796 --> 00:33:33,836 Speaker 1: impact and what it would mean to someone like me 619 00:33:33,956 --> 00:33:39,236 Speaker 1: or a son of any person like Bob, and and 620 00:33:39,436 --> 00:33:41,996 Speaker 1: how we kind of who we who choose to be 621 00:33:42,076 --> 00:33:44,196 Speaker 1: in the same line of where kind of have to 622 00:33:44,316 --> 00:33:48,596 Speaker 1: overcome whatever that thing is. So for me never really 623 00:33:48,716 --> 00:33:52,156 Speaker 1: wasn't the forefront of my mind, and it wasn't the peripherals. 624 00:33:52,636 --> 00:33:54,436 Speaker 1: And I heard it. I heard him thing, and I 625 00:33:54,516 --> 00:33:56,876 Speaker 1: heard it, but I never paid much attention to it. 626 00:33:57,556 --> 00:34:02,116 Speaker 1: I started seeking a spiritual part when I was a teenager. 627 00:34:02,956 --> 00:34:07,356 Speaker 1: So my whole mentors see it was if I've being 628 00:34:07,956 --> 00:34:10,796 Speaker 1: that because I was looking and it's because of my father. 629 00:34:10,876 --> 00:34:15,636 Speaker 1: I was looking, you know, because I've his spirituality led 630 00:34:15,676 --> 00:34:20,476 Speaker 1: me into search for my spirituality. And so for me, 631 00:34:21,596 --> 00:34:24,716 Speaker 1: I was were past my ego of trying are thinking about? 632 00:34:24,796 --> 00:34:29,196 Speaker 1: Are putting that persure and myself to leave up to 633 00:34:29,276 --> 00:34:32,276 Speaker 1: the legacy, are to make my own name or make 634 00:34:32,316 --> 00:34:33,836 Speaker 1: my own way. I don't need to make my own way. 635 00:34:33,956 --> 00:34:36,396 Speaker 1: I just need to be myself. That will That will 636 00:34:36,476 --> 00:34:38,716 Speaker 1: sound all the problem that I would start, the problem 637 00:34:38,796 --> 00:34:41,836 Speaker 1: that people is asking a question about. I don't need 638 00:34:41,876 --> 00:34:43,996 Speaker 1: to like try to do it. I just need to 639 00:34:44,076 --> 00:34:47,276 Speaker 1: be true and then that that is what that is 640 00:34:47,316 --> 00:34:50,436 Speaker 1: all it really is. And I also need to accept 641 00:34:50,476 --> 00:34:53,796 Speaker 1: and I do accept that my father there's a part 642 00:34:53,836 --> 00:34:56,316 Speaker 1: of me. There's gonna be similarities, There's going to be 643 00:34:56,396 --> 00:34:59,516 Speaker 1: things that is like you know, it's like Bob, you 644 00:34:59,556 --> 00:35:01,796 Speaker 1: know what I mean. So we're not trying to this 645 00:35:03,356 --> 00:35:05,836 Speaker 1: um this stand to ourself from him in that way either. 646 00:35:05,956 --> 00:35:08,516 Speaker 1: So there's no that's child that doesn't exist because I 647 00:35:08,556 --> 00:35:10,956 Speaker 1: don't want to self from him because I am a 648 00:35:11,076 --> 00:35:13,876 Speaker 1: part of him. Anyway, you cannot do that. Yeah, that 649 00:35:13,956 --> 00:35:16,396 Speaker 1: sound car running away, you're running away, but you can't 650 00:35:16,476 --> 00:35:20,036 Speaker 1: run away from yourself. You don't mess. So that is 651 00:35:20,076 --> 00:35:22,236 Speaker 1: the way. That is howhy I really try. That is 652 00:35:22,276 --> 00:35:25,556 Speaker 1: howhy I when I analyzed it myself after being asked 653 00:35:25,596 --> 00:35:29,236 Speaker 1: that question, that is how I see myself. I've been 654 00:35:29,356 --> 00:35:34,396 Speaker 1: dealt with it in that way, you know. And yeah, yeah, no, 655 00:35:34,556 --> 00:35:37,516 Speaker 1: that's beautifully part. Yeah. Well, thank you, Ziggy. I think 656 00:35:37,556 --> 00:35:40,036 Speaker 1: we have some questions, ted is that right? But this 657 00:35:40,236 --> 00:35:42,036 Speaker 1: is like I said, the book. The book was so 658 00:35:43,036 --> 00:35:48,036 Speaker 1: lovely and took me back to so many kind of 659 00:35:49,116 --> 00:35:52,236 Speaker 1: wonderful memories of that era in Jamaica. And it's a 660 00:35:52,316 --> 00:35:54,516 Speaker 1: real thrill to talk to you about it me too, 661 00:35:54,716 --> 00:35:57,956 Speaker 1: same thing. All right, thank you, Malcolm. The first question, 662 00:35:58,476 --> 00:36:02,716 Speaker 1: Ziggy is have you been to Ethiopia and can you 663 00:36:02,836 --> 00:36:08,236 Speaker 1: say something about your connection and your father's connection to Ethiopia. Yeah, 664 00:36:08,236 --> 00:36:10,396 Speaker 1: we were in Ethiope our years back to celebrate I 665 00:36:10,436 --> 00:36:12,796 Speaker 1: think it was a sixth tieth one of those birthdays 666 00:36:12,836 --> 00:36:18,476 Speaker 1: are Bob. Because obviously Ethiopia and it's history. We found 667 00:36:18,516 --> 00:36:22,836 Speaker 1: a strong connection to true um, the Rastafari culture. It's 668 00:36:22,836 --> 00:36:29,556 Speaker 1: a deep story because and I've probably living in Jamaica 669 00:36:30,316 --> 00:36:33,676 Speaker 1: during the times of after independence, you know, where it's 670 00:36:33,676 --> 00:36:36,516 Speaker 1: a post slaveryhere or whatever. The Christian faith and the 671 00:36:36,596 --> 00:36:41,796 Speaker 1: filth that was forced upon us by the colonist was 672 00:36:41,916 --> 00:36:45,596 Speaker 1: something that a sector of you know, Jamaica and started 673 00:36:45,636 --> 00:36:47,676 Speaker 1: to turn against, like, you know, this is a slave 674 00:36:47,836 --> 00:36:51,236 Speaker 1: master thing. You know, why God, why Jesus is a 675 00:36:51,316 --> 00:36:54,156 Speaker 1: white guy with blue eyes and blah blah blah. Whereas, oh, 676 00:36:54,476 --> 00:36:59,196 Speaker 1: who do we identify with it? And so Marcus Gather 677 00:36:59,316 --> 00:37:02,236 Speaker 1: really started our whole conversation and this someone and said 678 00:37:02,316 --> 00:37:04,436 Speaker 1: some stuff. You know, when Marcus was black thing and 679 00:37:04,516 --> 00:37:07,556 Speaker 1: the black one and you know your black identity, that 680 00:37:07,716 --> 00:37:12,236 Speaker 1: was a strong inspiration. And then when Rastafari start using 681 00:37:12,276 --> 00:37:15,556 Speaker 1: the same Bible that was given to them by the colonists, 682 00:37:15,596 --> 00:37:18,036 Speaker 1: to know, interpret it in a way that put an 683 00:37:18,076 --> 00:37:23,516 Speaker 1: emphasis on this king in Ethiopia as the real as 684 00:37:23,556 --> 00:37:29,036 Speaker 1: the common of another christ like individual in that philosophy, 685 00:37:29,076 --> 00:37:32,636 Speaker 1: and that in that idea, a lot of people in 686 00:37:32,676 --> 00:37:36,756 Speaker 1: Jamaica found are really independence, a full break from the 687 00:37:36,796 --> 00:37:41,676 Speaker 1: colonialist not only the political independence, but the mental independence. 688 00:37:42,916 --> 00:37:45,236 Speaker 1: And that was a rise of the Rastafaria culture and 689 00:37:45,316 --> 00:37:48,836 Speaker 1: the connection with Ethiopa, with this king who within the 690 00:37:48,956 --> 00:37:53,396 Speaker 1: Bible is still represented because he is a lineage of 691 00:37:53,516 --> 00:37:57,516 Speaker 1: King Salomon and in the Bible say he will come 692 00:37:57,556 --> 00:38:00,036 Speaker 1: again with the name King of Kings, Lord of Lord, 693 00:38:00,116 --> 00:38:03,516 Speaker 1: Cankernana Tribal Judah. And this was the title that this manner, 694 00:38:03,676 --> 00:38:06,956 Speaker 1: this manner has And so that strong connection to Ethiopia 695 00:38:07,076 --> 00:38:10,716 Speaker 1: is far true that because Exodus, you know Barbad Alum 696 00:38:10,756 --> 00:38:14,316 Speaker 1: called Exodus, and Exodus obviously is a relation to the 697 00:38:14,636 --> 00:38:17,996 Speaker 1: struggraph is the israel people coming over to Egypt. And 698 00:38:18,116 --> 00:38:20,276 Speaker 1: so we had a strong connection with that whole thing, 699 00:38:20,836 --> 00:38:25,476 Speaker 1: with David and Salomon and um. So Rastafari come through 700 00:38:25,556 --> 00:38:28,556 Speaker 1: that connection with its last i as a descent that 701 00:38:28,636 --> 00:38:33,036 Speaker 1: of Salomon, and so Eupia was a big It was 702 00:38:33,116 --> 00:38:37,356 Speaker 1: like oh um, Jerusalem or Mecca or whatever, you know, Yeah, 703 00:38:37,396 --> 00:38:40,636 Speaker 1: that was it was like that for for Rastafari culture. 704 00:38:42,556 --> 00:38:47,236 Speaker 1: So your siblings have crafted their own music careers. Um, 705 00:38:47,476 --> 00:38:51,756 Speaker 1: the questioner asks, what is the relationship between your siblings 706 00:38:52,116 --> 00:38:55,276 Speaker 1: both musically and and how you relate to each other today? 707 00:38:56,756 --> 00:38:58,396 Speaker 1: So we grew up, all right, So we grew up. 708 00:38:58,556 --> 00:39:01,036 Speaker 1: Let's come back home. We grew no. Because it's very 709 00:39:01,036 --> 00:39:03,796 Speaker 1: important because all right, my father was married to my mother, 710 00:39:03,916 --> 00:39:07,516 Speaker 1: but he had children with a wedlock, right, because obviously 711 00:39:08,396 --> 00:39:11,876 Speaker 1: the wedlock is a colonial thing, and we don't deal 712 00:39:11,916 --> 00:39:14,756 Speaker 1: with colonial things, you know, we're free or whatever. So 713 00:39:15,236 --> 00:39:18,796 Speaker 1: that was my father's you know philosophy. After you learned things, 714 00:39:18,876 --> 00:39:22,316 Speaker 1: they need us free yourself anyway. But so we always 715 00:39:22,396 --> 00:39:24,596 Speaker 1: grew up, you know, when my father would take us 716 00:39:25,076 --> 00:39:28,276 Speaker 1: to visit, like I'm the oldest son, right, so he 717 00:39:28,316 --> 00:39:31,036 Speaker 1: would take me and sometime my brother Stephen, you know 718 00:39:31,196 --> 00:39:32,916 Speaker 1: there's a new there was a new baby or a 719 00:39:32,996 --> 00:39:35,836 Speaker 1: new you know, he would drive us to the host 720 00:39:35,876 --> 00:39:38,876 Speaker 1: where where my brother, my other brother was who was 721 00:39:39,236 --> 00:39:42,436 Speaker 1: not of my mother, and you know, he would visit 722 00:39:42,556 --> 00:39:44,796 Speaker 1: and we would meet, you know, came on here, I 723 00:39:44,876 --> 00:39:48,796 Speaker 1: meet Robbie or meet Roan or whoever it was. And 724 00:39:49,036 --> 00:39:52,676 Speaker 1: my mother, now, which is the most important part of this, 725 00:39:53,636 --> 00:39:56,156 Speaker 1: was always she was like the mother of all of them, 726 00:39:56,596 --> 00:39:59,036 Speaker 1: like she was a mother of the children who she 727 00:39:59,116 --> 00:40:02,516 Speaker 1: wasn't the mother of basically, so everybody would come to us, 728 00:40:02,836 --> 00:40:04,676 Speaker 1: and you know, my mother would be the one who 729 00:40:05,356 --> 00:40:07,756 Speaker 1: kind of take care of bob children, whether it was 730 00:40:07,876 --> 00:40:10,676 Speaker 1: his child or not. And she is the one whenever 731 00:40:10,916 --> 00:40:13,236 Speaker 1: she never taught us to like be like vindictive, our 732 00:40:13,316 --> 00:40:16,036 Speaker 1: head full, our reason full of my father, are of 733 00:40:16,196 --> 00:40:19,156 Speaker 1: the other children in no way we were just one family. 734 00:40:19,676 --> 00:40:22,596 Speaker 1: So that's how we that's the lesson we have learned. Nobody. 735 00:40:22,836 --> 00:40:25,196 Speaker 1: Nobody taught us that. Or you shouldn't like that guy 736 00:40:25,316 --> 00:40:28,316 Speaker 1: because he's not your mother's son. We never learned that. 737 00:40:28,916 --> 00:40:31,516 Speaker 1: So that's all we still are today. We get together 738 00:40:31,556 --> 00:40:33,196 Speaker 1: every now and again, but we have a such a 739 00:40:33,236 --> 00:40:37,396 Speaker 1: strong connection that we don't have that emotion, that deep 740 00:40:37,516 --> 00:40:41,356 Speaker 1: emotional sadness are like oh I missed my thing or 741 00:40:41,436 --> 00:40:43,316 Speaker 1: my brother or something like that. You know, we never 742 00:40:43,356 --> 00:40:44,676 Speaker 1: grew up that way. We'll go up a little bit 743 00:40:45,236 --> 00:40:47,156 Speaker 1: less emotional, I would say. So we don't have that 744 00:40:47,276 --> 00:40:50,756 Speaker 1: in us. But we do have a connection um and 745 00:40:50,876 --> 00:40:53,636 Speaker 1: a love for each other and I respect for each other. 746 00:40:54,036 --> 00:40:56,916 Speaker 1: We never fight each other whenever, you know, we'll understanding 747 00:40:56,916 --> 00:41:01,276 Speaker 1: each other and everybody understand each other. So that's how 748 00:41:01,316 --> 00:41:04,036 Speaker 1: we live. Musically, me and my brother Steve, and we 749 00:41:04,116 --> 00:41:06,476 Speaker 1: share out of music Demon. Steve is the one who 750 00:41:06,596 --> 00:41:10,716 Speaker 1: nurtured Demon. We nurtured each other music basically, each of us. 751 00:41:11,156 --> 00:41:14,556 Speaker 1: I hope Steve when he was young, Steve that his 752 00:41:14,756 --> 00:41:17,516 Speaker 1: younger brother, and we just keep nurturing each other. So 753 00:41:17,636 --> 00:41:20,996 Speaker 1: that's how it is. Final question has to do and 754 00:41:21,036 --> 00:41:24,876 Speaker 1: there are several people who ask questions about musical collaborations. 755 00:41:25,516 --> 00:41:27,756 Speaker 1: Is there anyone you would have liked to see your 756 00:41:27,796 --> 00:41:31,036 Speaker 1: father have collaborated with that he did not get to 757 00:41:31,356 --> 00:41:34,676 Speaker 1: And how do you feel about musical collaborations? Who would 758 00:41:34,676 --> 00:41:38,676 Speaker 1: you like to collaborate with? No? Musical collaborations are good 759 00:41:38,716 --> 00:41:43,276 Speaker 1: thing right? In some ways it is expanding each of 760 00:41:43,436 --> 00:41:48,196 Speaker 1: the artists reach to other audiences, which is good. It 761 00:41:48,436 --> 00:41:52,076 Speaker 1: is showing a true example of unification in a way 762 00:41:52,156 --> 00:41:54,636 Speaker 1: where it can be two different types of music blending 763 00:41:54,716 --> 00:41:59,356 Speaker 1: together to bring to make something new. I'm a very 764 00:41:59,436 --> 00:42:03,596 Speaker 1: shy person, so I don't like to ask people a thing. 765 00:42:03,636 --> 00:42:05,396 Speaker 1: I don't want to really like to ask people, you know, 766 00:42:05,476 --> 00:42:07,716 Speaker 1: like hey can you do this something? You know? So 767 00:42:07,796 --> 00:42:12,436 Speaker 1: I'm very shy like that. But for some reason this year, UM, 768 00:42:12,756 --> 00:42:15,396 Speaker 1: during the COVID thing, I've done the most collaborations I've 769 00:42:15,436 --> 00:42:19,796 Speaker 1: ever done in ten years, which is very strange. It's 770 00:42:19,836 --> 00:42:22,996 Speaker 1: a very interesting time for me, um and how those 771 00:42:23,036 --> 00:42:26,716 Speaker 1: come about. Where the first collaborations that I did last 772 00:42:26,796 --> 00:42:29,956 Speaker 1: year was from my kids album, and I think when 773 00:42:29,996 --> 00:42:32,796 Speaker 1: I the children music, I find it's a different a 774 00:42:32,836 --> 00:42:36,996 Speaker 1: different state of mind. When I do the other other music. 775 00:42:37,516 --> 00:42:42,596 Speaker 1: I don't know. Somehow I feel more um more comfortable 776 00:42:42,636 --> 00:42:45,756 Speaker 1: with asking somebody to do something for children music, and 777 00:42:46,836 --> 00:42:48,716 Speaker 1: it has something to do with that we have a 778 00:42:48,836 --> 00:42:52,116 Speaker 1: charitable element to it, um, and so I'm much more 779 00:42:52,156 --> 00:42:54,156 Speaker 1: comfortable doing that. So I did. I did a few 780 00:42:54,236 --> 00:42:59,516 Speaker 1: big collaborations with Um being harp Sheryl Cruel, Alanis Morris said, 781 00:42:59,596 --> 00:43:04,796 Speaker 1: Angelie Kidjo, Tommarella, Bust Rhymes. So my Kids album over 782 00:43:04,876 --> 00:43:07,916 Speaker 1: like a bag of collaboration, which we really enjoy doing. 783 00:43:07,956 --> 00:43:10,356 Speaker 1: And how I work collaboration is that we have a 784 00:43:10,396 --> 00:43:13,996 Speaker 1: favorite connection. It can just be like a corporate deal. 785 00:43:14,076 --> 00:43:19,076 Speaker 1: It can't be like, you know, just have a contractual relationship. 786 00:43:19,436 --> 00:43:22,116 Speaker 1: It has to be something real. And that is why 787 00:43:22,196 --> 00:43:24,836 Speaker 1: I haven't done a lot of collaboration. But all of 788 00:43:24,916 --> 00:43:27,516 Speaker 1: these artists that are on that album I've done for years. 789 00:43:27,556 --> 00:43:30,516 Speaker 1: We've done music together. You know, we talk and we 790 00:43:30,636 --> 00:43:33,516 Speaker 1: take or whatever. So that's how I like to do collaborations. 791 00:43:33,796 --> 00:43:37,276 Speaker 1: For Bob, I can't speak of late and that I do. 792 00:43:37,396 --> 00:43:40,076 Speaker 1: I don't want to speak later. And that Bob, you know, 793 00:43:40,156 --> 00:43:42,396 Speaker 1: he was in a collaborative band the way as he 794 00:43:42,476 --> 00:43:46,916 Speaker 1: collaborated Peter and Bonny and I know, Um, Stephen won 795 00:43:46,956 --> 00:43:49,836 Speaker 1: the Johnleman stage. I think the collaboration and there was 796 00:43:49,876 --> 00:43:52,316 Speaker 1: also what's his name came back sage what the beatle 797 00:43:52,476 --> 00:43:57,916 Speaker 1: dynam George Harrison. So I feel like, um Bob collaboration, 798 00:43:58,516 --> 00:44:01,596 Speaker 1: collaborational spirit was one where if he was on stage 799 00:44:01,636 --> 00:44:03,596 Speaker 1: and somebody wanted to come up, he would well come 800 00:44:03,636 --> 00:44:06,716 Speaker 1: them up. Collab. He's a he's a social person, come 801 00:44:06,756 --> 00:44:09,796 Speaker 1: on up and seeing. I don't nature about caught in. Um, 802 00:44:10,316 --> 00:44:12,916 Speaker 1: I don't know about that, and there's no way I 803 00:44:12,996 --> 00:44:14,596 Speaker 1: can't imagine it. I can't have a speak of it 804 00:44:14,756 --> 00:44:18,556 Speaker 1: on that. Well, thanks for joining us, Ziggy Marley, and 805 00:44:18,756 --> 00:44:22,196 Speaker 1: thank you Malcolm Gladwell for chatting with Ziggy. All right, 806 00:44:22,236 --> 00:44:25,316 Speaker 1: welcome times, Well take care, let see if guys. Thanks you, Zicky, 807 00:44:25,476 --> 00:44:31,356 Speaker 1: bye bye. 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