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Speaker 1: Hey, folks.

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Speaker 2: It is Tuesday, February third, and developments overnight and the

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Speaker 2: search for today's show host Savannah Guthrie's missing mother. The

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Speaker 2: sheriff now says he believes she was abducted, and with that,

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Speaker 2: welcome to this episode of Amy and TJ.

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Speaker 1: Robes.

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Speaker 2: This was kind of a fast moving, fast developing story

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Speaker 2: yesterday and late last night, the sheriff finally come out.

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Speaker 2: He looks he was using words like crime scene, grave concern,

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Speaker 2: abduction is now coming out.

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Speaker 1: Of his mouth.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and just you and I both looked at each

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Speaker 3: other and thought, what the hell?

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Speaker 4: This woman is dropped off, this.

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Speaker 3: Eighty four year old woman by her family just before

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Speaker 3: ten pm on Saturday night, and she is abducted in

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Speaker 3: the overnight hours in her own home and.

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Speaker 4: Is nowhere to be found.

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Speaker 3: And whatever left behind was obvious enough for police to

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Speaker 3: immediately pretty much immediately call her home a crime scene

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Speaker 3: that is beyond bizarre and puzzling and deeply concerning.

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Speaker 2: Let's tell you where we are right now in this investigation. Again,

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Speaker 2: fast moving story you just mentioned, Robes. This was Saturday night,

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Speaker 2: the last time anybody saw her, and she didn't show

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Speaker 2: up for church on Sunday, and that's when calls of

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Speaker 2: concerns started coming in and police were called about a

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Speaker 2: missing person. Now missing person immediately and pretty quickly, Like

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Speaker 2: you said, Robes went from missing person to a crime.

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Speaker 2: Now they're not just out there with volunteers and search

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Speaker 2: dogs and drones walking through feels randomly like they were.

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Speaker 2: This was not a dementia situation. He has from this first,

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Speaker 2: the outset. He wants everybody to understand, this woman is

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Speaker 2: sharp as she can be. He keeps using the quote

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Speaker 2: sharp attack, keeps using that saint once. She did not

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Speaker 2: wander off. This is not a situation. And Robes, they're saying,

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Speaker 2: the family is telling us just how limited she is

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Speaker 2: in mobility. She it's virtually impossible for her to just

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Speaker 2: have walked out on her own.

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Speaker 3: Yes, so that has been completely ruled out. And yes,

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Speaker 3: the sheriff said, quote, I believe she was abducted. She

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Speaker 3: didn't walk from there, She didn't go willingly. And we

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Speaker 3: heard the sheriff ad earlier that she couldn't walk fifty yards,

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Speaker 3: so she couldn't have left her home on her own.

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Speaker 3: She couldn't have gotten far had she even tried. So

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Speaker 3: that and look it helps in the investigation to know

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Speaker 3: you can rule something completely out, and they have ruled

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Speaker 3: that she left on her own volition, completely out.

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Speaker 2: This so you start piecing and we don't know what happened,

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Speaker 2: but the swear it just fake. Frankly, it doesn't happen.

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Speaker 2: We don't have generally speaking folks that go in and

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Speaker 2: abduct elderly folks, senior citizens who have medical issues that

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Speaker 2: you're going to have to deal with, who can't move,

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Speaker 2: and you're going to have to deal with move.

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Speaker 1: You just don't see it.

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Speaker 2: The question has to be asked, is this some connection

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Speaker 2: to Savannah Guthrie.

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Speaker 1: They don't seem to have that answer yet.

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Speaker 3: Yes, and it has been asked repeatedly. You and I

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Speaker 3: were even going over what could possibly be behind her abduction.

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Speaker 3: Either you're thinking the motivation would be money or revenge,

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Speaker 3: or some sort of political statement, or some sort of.

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Speaker 4: Deranged person who's obsessed with Savannah.

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Speaker 3: I mean, there really are a couple, but none of

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Speaker 3: them really actually fit. It's hard to get our heads

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Speaker 3: around with the limited information we have, and police obviously

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Speaker 3: keep details close to the vest. They have been asked specifically,

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Speaker 3: was their blood at the crime scene that you've described

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Speaker 3: her home. Was there, broken furniture, what was there? What

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Speaker 3: was left behind that led you all so quickly to

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Speaker 3: determine that a crime has happened and that she has

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Speaker 3: been abducted. They didn't give those details. We understand that's

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Speaker 3: pretty typical in a lot of police investigations. They don't

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Speaker 3: want to show their hand because they're always thinking ahead

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Speaker 3: to prosecuting whoever is responsible for taking Savannah's mom.

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Speaker 1: But bro too, it just doesn't make sense.

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Speaker 2: A crime like this on its own just doesn't happen,

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Speaker 2: But then for to happen to one of the most

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Speaker 2: prominent journalists we have in the country, It's just the

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Speaker 2: chances of them not being connected seems so far fetched.

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Speaker 1: But we just don't know.

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Speaker 2: It just seems impossible that this is a coincidence that

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Speaker 2: these folks are connected. Robes, a crime like this, who

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Speaker 2: is taking eighty elderly people? Why would you kidnap an

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Speaker 2: elderly person you spoke of? As well, the possibility maybe

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Speaker 2: someone was actually targeting her and not knowing who her

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Speaker 2: they find a way. We've seen cases where folks are

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Speaker 1: Geez.

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Speaker 3: It's interesting, though, yes, because you'd think when I was

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Speaker 3: just imagining that if you take someone to an ATM,

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Speaker 3: if you take someone anywhere in your vehicle and you

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Speaker 3: are getting you're trying to get something from them, you

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Speaker 3: would think money. There has to be some motivation behind

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Speaker 3: this subduction. There are cameras everywhere, and that's why we're

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Speaker 3: hearing from police asking neighbors, everyone, anyone to show and

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Speaker 3: look at their ring cameras, to go check their surveillance

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Speaker 3: footage to see if they may have inadvertently picked up

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Speaker 3: something that could put police on the trail of where

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Speaker 3: Nancy Guthrie may be. But right now it seems like

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Speaker 3: they don't have anything.

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Speaker 2: Begging pleading with the public. Go through all of your information,

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Speaker 2: go through your phone, go through your cameras, asking people

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Speaker 2: to take if you see something while you're out there

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Speaker 2: and you think it might be her, snap a photo

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Speaker 2: for us. So he's pleading in such a way that

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Speaker 2: it seems like they don't have much. And we saw

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Speaker 2: this with uh what was Brown University that shooting. They

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Speaker 2: immediately they had a put out every surveillance video they

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Speaker 2: were throwing like please help usn't it eventually work? It worked?

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Speaker 4: It worked.

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Speaker 3: Look, we now live in a time where pretty much everyone,

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Speaker 3: or at least every other house, has some sort of

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Speaker 3: camera placed on their home for security reasons, and this

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Speaker 3: is just a matter of folks going through their footage

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Speaker 3: because obviously for her to have left that home, look, they.

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Speaker 4: Said there were there was surveillance.

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Speaker 3: There were cameras at Nancy Guthrie's home, and we've seen

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Speaker 3: the outside of it on the news and it looks

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Speaker 3: like a lovely home of beautiful home in the foot

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Speaker 3: Hills of Tucson. So clearly they're going through that. They'll

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Speaker 3: have to be able to determine how she left her home.

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Speaker 3: If those cameras were working and rolling and recording, they'll

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Speaker 3: see how she left her home, whether it was on

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Speaker 4: They have to have some indication.

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Speaker 3: But clearly then they need cameras in the community to follow. However,

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Speaker 3: Nancy Guthrie left her home and with whoever she was

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Speaker 2: But she did not walk. They said, they're sure. They

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Speaker 2: said she was incapable of walking fifty yards. She just

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Speaker 2: had physical ailment. She's eighty four but she can't walk

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Speaker 2: that far. Why kidnap somebody that you're gonna have to

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Speaker 2: literally carry This is thy five foot five, one hundred

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Speaker 1: Woman by their discretion.

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Speaker 2: Rhaps that doesn't make sense until your if there's cameras,

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Speaker 2: you're going to see, if there's another person there, you're

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Speaker 2: going to see, if there's a vehicle there. They didn't

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Speaker 2: ask us to be on the lookout for this person,

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Speaker 2: this many people, this type of vehicle.

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Speaker 4: Nothing, nothing.

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Speaker 3: And the other thing that is interesting, obviously, time is

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Speaker 3: not on anyone's side when there's an abduction involved. It

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Speaker 3: doesn't matter who you are, but especially for Nancy Guthrie,

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Speaker 3: because she has medication that she needs to take daily,

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Speaker 3: and the sheriff was very quick to point out if

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Speaker 3: we do not get this medication to her within twenty

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Speaker 3: four hours, it could be fatal.

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Speaker 4: He said that yesterday.

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Speaker 3: We are looking at twenty four hours, so time is

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Speaker 3: ticking and this is deeply concerning. He also said, I

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Speaker 3: don't know, I want to make sure I get his

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Speaker 3: words right, but we heard it and we looked at

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Speaker 3: each other. He said, basically, if you abduct someone and

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Speaker 3: you take them away from their medication that they need,

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Speaker 3: life saving medication. You could be charged with homicide. He

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Speaker 3: was putting out a warning basically to who ever took

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Speaker 3: Nancy Guthrie, if she dies on your watch because she

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Speaker 3: didn't have access to this medication that she needs, you

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Speaker 3: will be charged with homicide or you will be looking

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Speaker 2: I thought that was another sign of desperation as well,

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Speaker 2: just how little they have, meaning he's trying to get

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Speaker 2: a message to who might have her to plead with them, like, hey,

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Speaker 2: we can't plead with you humanity. Can we ap plead

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Speaker 2: to your common sense? You're gonna make this worse on

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Speaker 2: yourself as far as a possible prison sentence. Yeah, that

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Speaker 2: was the message he's putting out.

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Speaker 1: So I'm not sure how much they have.

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Speaker 2: This is a bizarre, a bizarre case, but it is

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Speaker 2: a case that made me think of another almost immediately,

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Speaker 2: another high profile case where a high profile person had

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Speaker 2: their parent taken, somebody disappeared and ended up dead. Stay here,

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Speaker 2: we'll explain why my mind went right back to nineteen

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Speaker 2: ninety three. Also, we will give you the latest. We

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Speaker 2: did hear messages from NBC News, message from the Guthrie

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Speaker 2: family yesterday as well as Savannah. But then we got

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Speaker 2: an updated message from Savannah Guthrie last night. Stay here,

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Speaker 2: we'll share that with you. All right, we continue here

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Speaker 2: on this Tuesday morning. Welcome back here to Amy and TJ.

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Speaker 2: Tuesday Morning.

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Speaker 1: Robes.

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Speaker 2: We are beyond forty eight hours now since the last

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Speaker 2: time Savannah Guthrie's mom, Nancy Guthrie, was seen known to

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Speaker 2: be seen on Saturday night. Forty eight hours, I said,

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Speaker 2: But Robes, they said, twenty four hours. She has to

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Speaker 2: have this daily medication or its life threatening.

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Speaker 4: Yes, she has a heart condition.

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Speaker 3: She's eighty four years old. She has mobility issues, nothing cognitive.

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Speaker 3: She as sharp as attack, as we pointed out, we've

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Speaker 3: head multiple times from the sheriff. But she does have

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Speaker 3: physical limitations at eighty four, and she needs her medicine.

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Speaker 3: And this is deeply concerning for her fa family. Who

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Speaker 3: I cannot I keep putting myself in Savannah's shoes and

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Speaker 3: imagining what this family must be going through to not

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Speaker 3: know where their mom is, what she is going through,

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Speaker 3: and how she may be feeling, how she is doing

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Speaker 2: And they know, obviously more than we do, what their

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Speaker 2: concerns are. They know what that house looked like. They

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Speaker 2: know what was in there, they know what to be

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Speaker 2: concerned about, and they know how much hope they should

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Speaker 2: can have right now for her safe return. But we

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Speaker 2: did hear from the family yesterday, I guess some basic stuff,

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Speaker 2: thank you for your thoughts and your prayers kind of

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Speaker 2: a thing. And they were absolutely blasting out the number.

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Speaker 2: If you see anything, send the information to this phone

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Speaker 2: number to the police. But then we heard from Savannah

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Speaker 2: again yesterday. This was a fairly extended or a longer

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Speaker 2: Instagram post, and I think the picture just said prayer

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Speaker 2: or pray or something.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, some image and look, Savannah is of deep faith,

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Speaker 3: and she's often and publicly credited her mother for that faith,

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Speaker 3: thanking her for bringing Jesus and God into her life.

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Speaker 3: And this post was in that same vein. This is

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Speaker 3: what Savannah put out late yesterday on Instagram.

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Speaker 4: This is the first I think we officially heard from

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Speaker 4: her on her social media.

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Speaker 3: No, and you pointed that out. We've covered enough crime.

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Speaker 1: I dread what. Look, this is not the biggest thing

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Speaker 2: You talk about how disruptive Michael Jordan retired, right when

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Speaker 4: Who are we focused on?

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Speaker 3: And now all of a sudden boom perspective, justice hits

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Speaker 4: My god.

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Speaker 3: Our hearts go out to Savannah and her family. This

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