WEBVTT - That Makes You A Sap.

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<v Speaker 1>Broadcasting live from the Abraham Lincoln Radio Studio, the George

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<v Speaker 1>Washington Broadcast.

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<v Speaker 2>Center, Jack Armstrong and Joe Ketty Armstrong.

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<v Speaker 1>And Getty and he Armstrong and Getty.

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<v Speaker 3>The American Revolution is the most important event since the

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<v Speaker 3>birth of Christ in all of world history.

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<v Speaker 4>I loved hearing that, flipping on face. The nation got

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<v Speaker 4>back from vacation and they had ken Burns, the documentary filmmaker,

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<v Speaker 4>the most famous documentary filmmaker who's ever lived, on there

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<v Speaker 4>to talk about his new documentary about the American Revolution,

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<v Speaker 4>which is coming out in November. But they interviewed him

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<v Speaker 4>for Fourth of July weekend and him presenting it in

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<v Speaker 4>this is a fantastic thing that happened for world history terms.

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<v Speaker 4>It's just my whole life that was normal, but after

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<v Speaker 4>the last you know, four or five years of wokeness,

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<v Speaker 4>it kind of was a little.

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<v Speaker 1>Like knocked me down. WHOA people still think this.

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<v Speaker 4>Well.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't want to get off on this tangent too much,

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<v Speaker 2>but I find myself a little bit surprised, as ken

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<v Speaker 2>Burns has been a little howard zinish for me in

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<v Speaker 2>recent years.

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<v Speaker 1>But I'm glad to hear it.

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<v Speaker 2>Maybe he's just a canny businessman, and he knows who's

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<v Speaker 2>going to watch these this documentary. But I love what

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<v Speaker 2>he's said. I hate to be that a cynical. Well,

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<v Speaker 2>that makes you a sap. Before we get into the

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<v Speaker 2>more of the interview, Well, I don't want to steal

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<v Speaker 2>this thunder.

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<v Speaker 1>We'll do that first.

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<v Speaker 2>Then I've got another great quote that's a similar sort

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<v Speaker 2>of sentiment.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, we missed fourth of July with you while we

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<v Speaker 4>were gone on vacation, so we're catching up a little

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<v Speaker 4>on that sort of talk here.

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<v Speaker 1>And here's Ken Burns talking about his documentary.

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<v Speaker 5>You called the revolutionary period a civil war? Was that

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<v Speaker 5>always your conception of the rev How did you come

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<v Speaker 5>to think of it that way?

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<v Speaker 3>I think because there's no photographs and there's no newsreels,

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<v Speaker 3>and they're in stockings and breaches and powdered wigs, there's

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<v Speaker 3>a sense of distance from them.

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<v Speaker 1>I think we.

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<v Speaker 3>Also are so proud, rightfully of the power of the

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<v Speaker 3>big ideas that we just don't want to get into

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<v Speaker 3>the fact that it was this bloody civil war patriots

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<v Speaker 3>against loyalists, disaffected people, native people, enslaved and free people

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<v Speaker 3>within it, foreign powers that are ultimately engaged in this

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<v Speaker 3>is a big world war. By the end, I think

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<v Speaker 3>we perhaps are fearful that those big ideas are diminished,

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<v Speaker 3>and they're not in any way. They're in fact become

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<v Speaker 3>even more inspiring that they emerge from the turmoil.

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<v Speaker 1>Why not roll on then we'll discuss, Michael, how should.

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<v Speaker 5>We think about the Declaration of independence this period in

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<v Speaker 5>America in our present day.

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<v Speaker 3>First of all, I think the American Revolution is the

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<v Speaker 3>most important event since the birth of Christ in all

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<v Speaker 3>of world history. I mean, it turned the world upside down,

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<v Speaker 3>which is the cliche. Before this moment, everyone was a subject,

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<v Speaker 3>essentially under the rule of somebody else. We had created,

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<v Speaker 3>in this moment a very brand new thing called a citizen.

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<v Speaker 1>And this has had powerful effects.

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<v Speaker 3>It's going to set in motion revolutions for the next

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<v Speaker 3>two plus centuries all around the world, all attempting to

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<v Speaker 3>sort of give a new expression to this idea that

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<v Speaker 3>all men are created equal, that they're endowed by their

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<v Speaker 3>creator with certain unalienable rights. And that's a big, big

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<v Speaker 3>deal in world history.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, and hearing ken Burns say that and CBS, you know,

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<v Speaker 4>going along with it. It shouldn't be like cold water

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<v Speaker 4>being splashed in my face, but it was, and I

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<v Speaker 4>was happy to hear it.

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<v Speaker 2>I remember when for a long time the notion, again,

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<v Speaker 2>the Howard Zinish down with American notion was it wasn't

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<v Speaker 2>a revolution. It was just a rebellion. I mean, theists

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<v Speaker 2>not happy with the crown, and they decided they wanted

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<v Speaker 2>a different government and it came to blows.

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<v Speaker 1>And no, I mean it.

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<v Speaker 2>Instituted on earth an experiment in self governance and a

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<v Speaker 2>lot of other incredibly important fundamentals like free speech that

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<v Speaker 2>had not been tried. Yeah, it was a rebellion against

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<v Speaker 2>the crown, but in favor of trying something wildly new,

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<v Speaker 2>which is perhaps the most successful experiment that's ever been

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<v Speaker 2>done well.

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<v Speaker 4>And to take it further than that, the fact that

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<v Speaker 4>the sixteen nineteen project eld sway there for a couple

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<v Speaker 4>of years and unfortunately still does in your freaking schools,

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<v Speaker 4>your school's library. The idea that, no, the revolution was

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<v Speaker 4>to found slavery and make sure we could keep the

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<v Speaker 4>whole slavery thing going. That was the point of the revolution,

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<v Speaker 4>and that was the prevailing view there for like a year,

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<v Speaker 4>along to people with the megaphones of society.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, education and media it's an I've seen a suggestion

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<v Speaker 2>absolutely obscene. You know I'm going to hit you with

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<v Speaker 2>this real quickly from Jonah Goldberg. Then we can get

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<v Speaker 2>back to the interview. I just don't want to steal

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<v Speaker 2>all of its thunder. The birth of the United States

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<v Speaker 2>of America was not merely the most important geopolitical event

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<v Speaker 2>since the Fall of Rome, or the most important intentional

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<v Speaker 2>political event ever. Because Rome's fall wasn't exactly a planned

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<v Speaker 2>out exercise, it was the signature catalyst for the real

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<v Speaker 2>world realization of various Enlightenment principles like democracy, human rights,

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<v Speaker 2>free speech, and representative government. The unfolding success of that

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<v Speaker 2>experiment over the subsequent two and a half centuries, with

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<v Speaker 2>America becoming the single most influential and powerful country in

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<v Speaker 2>the world, lends even more weight to the momentousness of

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<v Speaker 2>the American founding, and it certainly ranks among the most

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<v Speaker 2>consequential events in all of human history, political and non

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<v Speaker 2>political alike.

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<v Speaker 4>No doubt I mean to argue against that is well,

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<v Speaker 4>it's crazy.

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<v Speaker 1>You can't.

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<v Speaker 4>I hope it's over, but you can't look at enough

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<v Speaker 4>that period. We just came through the whole George Floyd

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<v Speaker 4>sixteen nineteen project tearing down the statues, which I saw

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<v Speaker 4>some of in New York. All that sort of stuff,

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<v Speaker 4>just craziness. We lost our minds. Thank god that didn't

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<v Speaker 4>win the day. At the time, it felt like it

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<v Speaker 4>was gonna win.

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<v Speaker 1>The day, right, right, And if you were fighting against it,

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<v Speaker 1>good for you.

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<v Speaker 4>And I'm so excited that Ken Burns thought, you know,

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<v Speaker 4>I'm gonna do a documentary about the American Revolution and

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<v Speaker 4>present it as a good thing, like a great thing,

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<v Speaker 4>like one of the greatest things that ever happened to

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<v Speaker 4>human beings.

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<v Speaker 2>Right, As I've said many, many times about religion and

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<v Speaker 2>a dozen other subjects, if you ask human beings to

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<v Speaker 2>be in charge of something, it's gonna get screwed up.

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<v Speaker 2>That's the way we are. But that doesn't diminish the

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<v Speaker 2>greatness the wonder of the founding of the country and

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<v Speaker 2>the principles on which it was founded. Yeah, human beings

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<v Speaker 2>were in charge. So we did a bad job of it,

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<v Speaker 2>but it's still a wondrous thing. Do you want to

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<v Speaker 2>do the other one or the other clipper now, all.

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<v Speaker 1>So, what happens here.

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<v Speaker 3>Is I suppose you could, you know, miss the point

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<v Speaker 3>and say it's a quarrel between Englishmen. But it is

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<v Speaker 3>the beginning of something absolutely new in the world, and

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<v Speaker 3>that is something to celebrate and to understand. Two that

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<v Speaker 3>it comes out of so much division that's going on

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<v Speaker 3>between the states. People in New Hampshire and Georgia are

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<v Speaker 3>they're from different countries, they believe different things. That you

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<v Speaker 3>could have the divisions of loyalists and patriots, you could

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<v Speaker 3>have this, all the things that are roiling in these

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<v Speaker 3>colonies and understand that out of that we could still

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<v Speaker 3>figure out a way to come together.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, making the point that we've always been divided, very

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<v Speaker 4>divided over various subjects of various times, and so what

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<v Speaker 4>we're doing now is not something new. They do get

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<v Speaker 4>into a conversation that I really liked about the importance

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<v Speaker 4>of people, you know, being into this, caring about it, Yes,

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<v Speaker 4>paying attention to what's going on, and you know, so

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<v Speaker 4>I think that's the different thing that people are missing

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<v Speaker 4>is the lack of civic engagement that we have. So

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<v Speaker 4>we're arguing about things in a nonsensical way that I

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<v Speaker 4>don't feel like was always.

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<v Speaker 1>Our nation's history.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I don't know. Politics is always grubbier in the

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<v Speaker 2>moment than when we look back on it in history

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<v Speaker 2>and more stupid. The thing that troubles me, and I

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<v Speaker 2>was just going to say to set up the next segment,

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<v Speaker 2>is if you think, well, ken Burns is back to

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<v Speaker 2>being a patriot so everything's fine.

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<v Speaker 1>Absolutely not.

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<v Speaker 2>There's a new Gallop poll out about patriotism pride in

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<v Speaker 2>the United States, and the numbers particularly are going to bring.

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<v Speaker 4>I had brought my self up listening to the ken

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<v Speaker 4>Burns interview thing and Wow, I can't believe this is

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<v Speaker 4>on network television, that they're even okay saying out loud

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<v Speaker 4>the American Revolution was a good thing and the founding

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<v Speaker 4>fathers did something great for humanity, because I can't remember

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<v Speaker 4>the last time anybody said that out loud on network TV.

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<v Speaker 1>I was so excited about that. Now you're gonna bring

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<v Speaker 1>me and it's gonna be like a good movie.

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<v Speaker 2>Jack, I'm gonna slap down your childlike enthusiasms, and then

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<v Speaker 2>we'll bring it back around.

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<v Speaker 1>Move it there.

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<v Speaker 2>But then at the end, at the end, Michael, we'll

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<v Speaker 2>be moving up. I thought that was clear as the

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<v Speaker 2>commuters and again say I'm gonna take a flamethrower to

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<v Speaker 2>that thing. I swear to God, Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>So I was.

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<v Speaker 4>I mentioned this earlier as at the Museum of Natural

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<v Speaker 4>History in New York, and they first time I'd been

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<v Speaker 4>there since they took down the Teddy Roosevelt statue. That

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<v Speaker 4>was like the iconic front view of that very famous museum,

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<v Speaker 4>Teddy Roosevelt on his horse and the fact that they

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<v Speaker 4>took it down because they were like Native people walking

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<v Speaker 4>along the horse and that symbolized white men. Did my question?

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<v Speaker 4>I was asking my kids. They got really tired of

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<v Speaker 4>my rants over vacation, But like, did that help a

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<v Speaker 4>single human being? Taking down that statue? Did that help

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<v Speaker 4>one human in any way? Was there anybody ever by

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<v Speaker 4>the way, that ever walked by that statue and was

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<v Speaker 4>hurt by it?

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<v Speaker 3>One?

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<v Speaker 4>I'm looking for one human being that was damaged by

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<v Speaker 4>the existence of that statue.

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<v Speaker 1>No, I could make a counter argument.

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<v Speaker 2>It's so crazy, Yeah, that it actually benefited people, many people,

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<v Speaker 2>including a Native people.

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<v Speaker 5>Wow.

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<v Speaker 4>Anyway, Joe's got his poll to bring us down, and

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<v Speaker 4>then he's going to bring his back up next.

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<v Speaker 3>The American Revolution is the most important event since the

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<v Speaker 3>birth of Christ in all of world history.

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<v Speaker 4>I love hearing that from Ken Burns about his new

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<v Speaker 4>documentary because it's true, and it's amazing how little we

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<v Speaker 4>teach it anymore. I remember when David McCullough, the historian

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<v Speaker 4>who wrote the real popular books John Adams in seventeen

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<v Speaker 4>seventy six and those great, great books, very accessible, and

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<v Speaker 4>he said, we can never learn enough about these people

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<v Speaker 4>in this period.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, it's the whole thing, it's the whole ball

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<v Speaker 1>of acts. And yet we've.

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<v Speaker 2>Let, especially our education system and some other of the

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<v Speaker 2>institutions run by the left, pervert that story and teach

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<v Speaker 2>young people, most tragically the opposite that it was an

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<v Speaker 2>act to perpetuate slavery by evil people and racists, and

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<v Speaker 2>it's regrettable and it should have never happened. I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>it's an obscene thing to teach the young people of

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<v Speaker 2>this country.

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<v Speaker 4>Or you just leave out all the good stuff and

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<v Speaker 4>focus on the bad stuff, which is ken Burns actually

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<v Speaker 4>said that in his interview on CBS. He said, I'm

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<v Speaker 4>pretty sure that's where he said it is. Imagine if

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<v Speaker 4>you did that with your spouse or wherever. All you

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<v Speaker 4>do is you focus on their negatives as opposed to

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<v Speaker 4>all the positives that they'd bring.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>John Fund wrote a great piece for the National Review,

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<v Speaker 2>and it's entitled or wellianly enough, when we forget our history,

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<v Speaker 2>we risk our future. But it's based around the fact

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<v Speaker 2>that a new Gallup poll shows that the partisan gap

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<v Speaker 2>on basic patriotism is now the width of the Grand Canyon.

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<v Speaker 2>And more troubling than the partisan gap to me, although

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<v Speaker 2>that's truggling enough, is the youth gap we have. As

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<v Speaker 2>my athletic trainer Dave often says, you get what you

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<v Speaker 2>train for you sit around all day. That's what your

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<v Speaker 2>body's going to be good at sitting around all day. Well,

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<v Speaker 2>if you teach your young people to hate their country,

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<v Speaker 2>they're going to hate their country. Gallup reports that Americans

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<v Speaker 2>have become less patriotic over time. That difference is primarily

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<v Speaker 2>driven by Democrats. Only thirty six percent of them say

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<v Speaker 2>there extremely are very proud of America, the lowest number

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<v Speaker 2>ever recorded.

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<v Speaker 1>Sarely more than a third that is so crazy.

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<v Speaker 2>Among Generations Z, which is those adults born in nineteen

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<v Speaker 2>ninety seven or later, only twenty four percent of Democrats

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<v Speaker 2>are extremely or very proud of the United States.

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<v Speaker 1>Under a quarter.

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<v Speaker 2>More Gen Z Democrats say they have little or no

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<v Speaker 2>pride in being American that's thirty two percent to twenty

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<v Speaker 2>four over extremely or very Oh well, all there.

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<v Speaker 1>Are reasons for this. I was about to jump out.

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<v Speaker 1>We all know what the reasons for this.

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<v Speaker 4>We've created a culture, especially in our schools, where you

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<v Speaker 4>should be shunned or embarrassed to feel good about the

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<v Speaker 4>United States.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, you would be mocked and shamed for that.

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<v Speaker 4>I mean in your librarian told you this, and your

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<v Speaker 4>second grade teacher, and you know, it's just the culture.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>So only thirty six percent of Democrats say they're extremely

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<v Speaker 2>or very proud. By comparison, fifty three percent of Independence

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<v Speaker 2>express a great deal of pride in their country, though

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<v Speaker 2>that is seven points down from the most recent poll

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<v Speaker 2>before it. But again that is a what is that

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<v Speaker 2>a twenty seven percent at nine percent more than Democrats.

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<v Speaker 1>That's shocking.

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<v Speaker 2>National pride among Republicans registered at ninety two percent, which

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<v Speaker 2>is up from eighty five percent in Gallup's measurement last year.

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<v Speaker 2>So there's obviously a I don't know, five to ten

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<v Speaker 2>percent shift based on the politics in the direction of

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<v Speaker 2>the country at any given time.

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<v Speaker 1>I wish they could craft the question in a way

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<v Speaker 1>that got past that, but they haven't.

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<v Speaker 2>And then fun gets into the fact that there are

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<v Speaker 2>many possible explanations for the general decline patriotism from poor

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<v Speaker 2>economic prospects for young people the greater partisan ranker. But

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<v Speaker 2>surely one factor is at public schools. In many private

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<v Speaker 2>schools now rarely teach civics or a positive view of

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<v Speaker 2>America's America's founding. New Cato Institute poll reveals a shocking

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<v Speaker 2>level of ignorance about US history and our government. More

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<v Speaker 2>than half did not know why the American colonies adopted

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<v Speaker 2>the Declaration of Independence on July fourth, seventeen seventy six.

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<v Speaker 1>Couldn't even come up with a coherent explanation.

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<v Speaker 2>Young people the least likely to know, with two thirds

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<v Speaker 2>of eighteen to twenty nine year olds expressing ignorance. Maybe

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<v Speaker 2>that explains why fifty three percent of gen z also

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<v Speaker 2>support writing.

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<v Speaker 1>A new constitution.

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<v Speaker 2>It's easy to want to scrap something when you don't

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<v Speaker 2>even know the value of what it is or what

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<v Speaker 2>it's about. Right, And then my favorite, maybe my favorite

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<v Speaker 2>part of this, and we could get more into the

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<v Speaker 2>poll numbers, because I've got the whole poll in front

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<v Speaker 2>of me. But then he gets into Ronald Reagan's farewell

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<v Speaker 2>address in nineteen eighty nine. There are a lot of

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<v Speaker 2>young folks on the right who who can't stand Reagan.

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<v Speaker 2>They think he's a relic of the past and his

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<v Speaker 2>ideas are irrelevant. Here are some of the things he said.

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<v Speaker 2>We've got to teach history based not on what's in fashion,

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<v Speaker 2>but what's in important. If we forget what we did,

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<v Speaker 2>we won't know who we are. I'm warning of an

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<v Speaker 2>eradication of the American memory that could result ultimately in

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<v Speaker 2>at in an erosion of the American spirit. And we're

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<v Speaker 2>absolutely feeling that, God, I would say, and then getting

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<v Speaker 2>back to his speech couple paragraphs later, he was far

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<v Speaker 2>too practical to believe that the job of reintroducing the

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<v Speaker 2>study of self government could be left to the schools alone.

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<v Speaker 1>Quote.

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<v Speaker 2>All great change in America begins at the dinner table.

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<v Speaker 2>And this is the part I really wanted to get to,

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<v Speaker 2>to bring everybody back up again. So tomorrow night in

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<v Speaker 2>the kitchen, I hope the talking begins. And children, if

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<v Speaker 2>your parents haven't been teaching you what it means to

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<v Speaker 2>be an American, let him know and nail them on it.

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<v Speaker 1>That would be a very American thing. To do.

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<v Speaker 2>Freedom is never more than one generation away from extinction.

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<v Speaker 2>We didn't pass it to our children in the bloodstream.

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<v Speaker 2>It must be fought for, protected and handed on for

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<v Speaker 2>them to do the same. Friends, were all in a

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<v Speaker 2>fight for the hearts of our children. Are young people

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<v Speaker 2>and are young adults who under our watch got indoctrinated

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<v Speaker 2>in this awful, poisonous anti American philosophy.

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<v Speaker 1>Fight back. Let's get him a lot more on the way.

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<v Speaker 4>If you miss a segment, get the podcast Armstrong and

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<v Speaker 4>Getty on demand.

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<v Speaker 6>Armstrong and Getty, big send off for the man who

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<v Speaker 6>called himself the Prince of Darkness. For fans packing a

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<v Speaker 6>British soccer stadium for Ozzy Osbourne, the seventy six year

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<v Speaker 6>old Black Sabbath lead singer in his final concert tribute

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<v Speaker 6>Saturday from rockers Metallica and Aerosmith Stephen Tyler, as well

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<v Speaker 6>as Dolly Parton and Sir Elton John Osbourne at the

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<v Speaker 6>end thanking fans for decades of support.

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<v Speaker 4>Dolly Parton, why is Ozzie such a big deal? He

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<v Speaker 4>just I don't know. He has no place in my life.

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<v Speaker 4>Ozzy Osbourne a.

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<v Speaker 2>Black Sabbath scene as kind of the founding fathers of

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<v Speaker 2>heavy metal. Okay, a lot of heavy rock that people

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<v Speaker 2>have loved ever since. You know it overstated to say

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<v Speaker 2>like a Chuck berry ish figure, but something like it.

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<v Speaker 1>It's all a bit much for me. Well, Dolly Marton

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<v Speaker 1>was there.

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<v Speaker 4>So we were on vacation on last week, which if

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<v Speaker 4>you're a fan of the show you probably noticed. I

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<v Speaker 4>went to Florida South Beach for a couple of days,

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<v Speaker 4>then went down to Key West, rented a house. We

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<v Speaker 4>were down there for a couple of days.

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<v Speaker 1>Interesting.

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<v Speaker 4>I talked to a number of people who worked at

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<v Speaker 4>restaurants and whatnot was in Florida, and they were talking

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<v Speaker 4>about how awesome it was during COVID in Florida to

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<v Speaker 4>be in their industry because people were coming from all

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<v Speaker 4>over the country because they didn't shut down. They shut

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<v Speaker 4>down for a couple of weeks total. Then we're up

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<v Speaker 4>and running like it was normal. Ron death sentence, I

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<v Speaker 4>remember that right. Well, the rest of the country was

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<v Speaker 4>acting like you can't do that, everyone will die.

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<v Speaker 1>They're talking about how awesome it was down.

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<v Speaker 4>There, and I doubt that these servers were like conservatives.

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<v Speaker 4>I mean they could have been, but they looked like liberals,

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<v Speaker 4>I mean their island hippies with you know, things through

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<v Speaker 4>their nose and uh and you know the usual. But

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<v Speaker 4>it's really interesting that that happened. Part of the country said, yeah,

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<v Speaker 4>we're gonna pretend it's not happening.

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<v Speaker 1>And everything was fine. It's just it's crazy.

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<v Speaker 2>Sometimes counties that are practically side by side took wildly

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<v Speaker 2>different approaches, and when one worked.

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<v Speaker 1>Way better than the other, the people who went with

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<v Speaker 1>the bad approach said nothing.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, drove or flew back up to New York because

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<v Speaker 4>it was too hot.

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<v Speaker 1>He just got too hot, too much beach sun.

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<v Speaker 4>Sam and I flipped our jet ski rented a jet

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<v Speaker 4>skis a double jet ski, and I somehow we flipped it.

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<v Speaker 4>He was driving, and that ended up costing me a

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<v Speaker 4>lot of money because if you flip it and ruin

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<v Speaker 4>the motor, then you got to pay for it part

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<v Speaker 4>of the deal you sign, and so that cost me

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<v Speaker 4>a lot. But so we flipped it, and I was

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<v Speaker 4>panicked about trying to get it turned back up forgetting

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<v Speaker 4>the warning they had made about all the barnacles in

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<v Speaker 4>the bottom and stay away from it. And sliced my

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<v Speaker 4>knee open so bad and was bleeding all over the place,

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<v Speaker 4>and I'm glad shark didn't come eat us because that

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<v Speaker 4>would have sucked.

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<v Speaker 1>AnyWho.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh agreed, Yeah, it would be a terrible thing to happen.

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<v Speaker 2>We just getting eaten by a shark. Yes, so we

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<v Speaker 2>uh just does it look? By the way, how's your

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<v Speaker 2>knee look?

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<v Speaker 1>Is it healing?

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<v Speaker 2>Okay?

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, it's the same knee I heard on my motorcycle wreck.

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<v Speaker 4>So I have no feeling in it because it damaged

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<v Speaker 4>it so much. In so I couldn't even tell.

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<v Speaker 1>That I got myself. I was bleeding all over.

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<v Speaker 2>I was gonna say, because refrash is a thing, and

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know if barnacles are similar, but if you like,

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<v Speaker 2>scrape yourself on a knee. Yeah, there's so much my

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<v Speaker 2>chrobia life in there. My brother, a healthy throng naval officer.

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<v Speaker 2>He got refreshed and it was horrible to get rid of.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 4>They told us about that some trip we took out

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<v Speaker 4>to see a reef in Key West. I remember they

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<v Speaker 4>were telling us about that. AnyWho, So we fly up

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<v Speaker 4>to New York because it was hot, and decide to

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<v Speaker 4>do something else and we go and we spend several

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<v Speaker 4>days in New York and we're at this park where

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<v Speaker 4>all the people are playing chess, just like I'd seen

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<v Speaker 4>in movies.

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<v Speaker 1>Do they do that in.

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<v Speaker 4>Cities all across the country or is that local in

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<v Speaker 4>New York? Do they do that in Chicago?

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<v Speaker 1>You're Chicago guy.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh gosh, it's when I picture it. I picture it

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<v Speaker 2>in New York.

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<v Speaker 6>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>I think it's a New York thing.

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<v Speaker 4>And I need to do some research because I don't

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<v Speaker 4>really know what it is or how it works, like

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<v Speaker 4>do they make how do they make money, or do

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<v Speaker 4>they make money or what's exactly going on there. I've

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<v Speaker 4>just seen in movies where all the people are playing

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<v Speaker 4>chess in these parks. Well, my son is obsessed by chess,

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<v Speaker 4>as I've talked about several times, although he's still a beginner,

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<v Speaker 4>and or the whole time on the trip, he said,

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<v Speaker 4>I want to play chess in the park with one

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<v Speaker 4>of the one of those guys I want to play

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<v Speaker 4>schis So you really wanted to do that. So we're

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<v Speaker 4>walking through Washington Square Park after we watched the weird

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<v Speaker 4>hippie chick dor Art that I talked about earlier. Get

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<v Speaker 4>the podcast if you didn't hear that, and uh, and

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<v Speaker 4>he said, there's a guy he's not doing I want

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<v Speaker 4>to go play chess, and I said, okay. So we

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<v Speaker 4>go over there and I very quickly figure out that

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<v Speaker 4>this guy, he's probably sixty old black guy. He sounds

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<v Speaker 4>exactly like Tracy Morgan from Saturday Night Live. So when

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<v Speaker 4>I'm doing my impersonation, if it sounds like that, that's why,

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<v Speaker 4>because that's what the guy's on like. He's hammered drunk,

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<v Speaker 4>just hammered drunk, sitting there at the chest table and

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<v Speaker 4>h He said, what's your what's your name, Henry?

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<v Speaker 1>What's your rating, Henry?

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<v Speaker 4>And Henry told him I don't know whatever his number

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<v Speaker 4>is on his rating, because you get a chest rating

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<v Speaker 4>when you're on chest dot com. Oh yo, beginner, Okay, Henry,

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<v Speaker 4>Well then I won't play you. I will give you

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<v Speaker 4>a lesson. Five dad, five dollars for a lesson.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, fine, and he says, is on there.

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<v Speaker 4>And it was just one of the most amazing, interesting

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<v Speaker 4>things I've ever witnessed. Henry walked away from it saying,

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<v Speaker 4>this is the coolest thing I've ever done in my life.

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<v Speaker 1>But it was so strange. The guy was so drunk.

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<v Speaker 4>For one thing, he had the really drunk guy eyes

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<v Speaker 4>you know where they're like really good, yes, and watery,

0:23:02.160 --> 0:23:05.199
<v Speaker 4>and he kept sho shoveling these. He had a paper

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<v Speaker 4>bag with him. He'd brought sandwiches from home. This gets

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<v Speaker 4>to the I don't know what these people are doing,

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<v Speaker 4>if they make money doing this or is this your job?

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<v Speaker 4>I mean, I guess you play them for money.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know.

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<v Speaker 2>A good friend of the show is a friend of

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<v Speaker 2>mine just texted the New York chess hustlers usually play

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<v Speaker 2>for a few bucks.

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<v Speaker 1>They're usually very good.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, yeah, I mean it was unbelievable. As drunk as

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<v Speaker 4>this guy was, he started, I'm gonna give you a lesson, Henry.

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<v Speaker 1>You remember this arrest of your life.

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<v Speaker 4>First of all, number one, get one thousand and one

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<v Speaker 4>chess moves. Get the book, and he names the guy Dad,

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<v Speaker 4>buy him that book. Okay, And they set up the

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<v Speaker 4>chess pieces and they start to play. Let me see

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<v Speaker 4>how good you are, Henry. So they play for a

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<v Speaker 4>little bit, and Henry would go to make a movie.

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<v Speaker 1>He put it back, Henry. Henry put it back.

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<v Speaker 4>No, Henry, think about it, Henry, And so then we

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<v Speaker 4>do that. It's okay, So let me give you a lesson,

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<v Speaker 4>And so then he gives him a lesson. And he's

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<v Speaker 4>sitting by and he's shoveling this sandwich that he made

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<v Speaker 4>into his mouth, and parts of it are getting in

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<v Speaker 4>his mouth, but most of it's not, and the rest

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<v Speaker 4>of it's just like falling on his shirt and onto

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<v Speaker 4>the chessboard, and he'd have to wipe the chunks and

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<v Speaker 4>sandwich away as he's moving the chessboarder. At one point,

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<v Speaker 4>he kicks over his half a bottle of Miller Lite

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<v Speaker 4>and it tips over and rolls between my legs. I mean,

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<v Speaker 4>he's just he's a drunk like he seems like a

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<v Speaker 4>homeless guy. Yeah, I don't even know what's going on there, Henry.

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<v Speaker 4>I'm gonna give you a lesson.

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<v Speaker 3>Now.

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<v Speaker 4>The best guy in the park, that guy over there

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<v Speaker 4>with the sunglasses on, he's the best player in the

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<v Speaker 4>park right now. Nobody will play him again, Which gets

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<v Speaker 4>to my if nobody will play you because you're so good,

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<v Speaker 4>how do you make any money.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm not sure how this works.

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<v Speaker 2>Hey, you gotta wait for somebody strong. My chest playing

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<v Speaker 2>friend also pointed out that it's a thing among chest enthusiasts.

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<v Speaker 2>There are there are videos of grand masters going under

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<v Speaker 2>cover and playing these guys and appreciating how good someone.

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<v Speaker 4>Oh yeah, this dude was amazing when Henry was actually

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<v Speaker 4>playing him, how fast he would move and how he

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<v Speaker 4>saw the whole board was, to be as drunk as

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<v Speaker 4>he was in the hot sun was really quite amazing.

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<v Speaker 1>Was he really drunk or do you think this was

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<v Speaker 1>part of the hustle?

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<v Speaker 4>No, he was drunk. I know, I know a drunk guy,

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<v Speaker 4>and he was very drunk. And there were many people

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<v Speaker 4>playing chess. It was mostly dude sitting at empty chess

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<v Speaker 4>tables waiting for somebody to come play him for whatever. Anyway,

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<v Speaker 4>So his lesson was, Henry, let me ask you a question.

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<v Speaker 4>You're a home by yourself. And outside the door there

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<v Speaker 4>was a gorilla and two dogs. Okay, a gorilla and

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<v Speaker 4>two dogs. Wow, they knocked down the door and they

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<v Speaker 4>come into the house. What do you do, Henry, I

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<v Speaker 4>don't know. I called my dad.

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<v Speaker 1>You don't have a phone, Henry.

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<v Speaker 4>What do you do when the gorilla and the two

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<v Speaker 4>dogs coming home?

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<v Speaker 1>And it was just like this the whole time, so

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<v Speaker 1>wild the dogs and punched the gorilla.

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<v Speaker 4>No, I guess I worry about the dogs because I

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<v Speaker 4>can't fight a gorilla. No, Henry, Henry, that is wrong.

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<v Speaker 4>What is the biggest threat, Henry?

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<v Speaker 1>The gorilla?

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<v Speaker 4>That's right, The gorilla is the biggest threat. So do

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<v Speaker 4>you see where my queen is right now? That is

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<v Speaker 4>your biggest threat. Get rid of the gorilla, Henry. And

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<v Speaker 4>so Henry moved and got rid of the queen. Now

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<v Speaker 4>you don't have to worry about the gorilla. Do you

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<v Speaker 4>see where my two dogs are?

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<v Speaker 1>Henry? And it was just like that through the whole thing.

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<v Speaker 1>He went on for like forty five minutes.

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<v Speaker 4>It was incredibly entertaining and really interesting imagery to try

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<v Speaker 4>to figure out some chess strategy.

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<v Speaker 1>For a few bucks.

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<v Speaker 2>For five bucks place, that's the best money you've ever

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<v Speaker 2>spent in your life.

0:26:43.800 --> 0:26:47.000
<v Speaker 4>And did the entertainment alone, let alone the chess lesson.

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<v Speaker 4>It was really so it was like out of a

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<v Speaker 4>freaking movie. And I thought, what are you? I mean,

0:26:52.760 --> 0:26:56.560
<v Speaker 4>his clothes he looked like a homeless person. I mean,

0:26:56.600 --> 0:26:59.480
<v Speaker 4>his shoes had holes in him. He smelled bad, he's

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<v Speaker 4>spinning his sandwich all over, he's hammered, drunk, but brilliant

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<v Speaker 4>at chess. I just so, I don't know what's going

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<v Speaker 4>on there.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>I think we've all known people like that, whether they're

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<v Speaker 2>musicians or writers or what have you, that they have

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<v Speaker 2>an incredible level of capability at one thing, but not

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<v Speaker 2>so much on life skills or hanging on to a

0:27:23.080 --> 0:27:26.960
<v Speaker 2>job for instance, or don't want to right for whatever reason.

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<v Speaker 1>God dang it, that was interesting.

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<v Speaker 4>Like I said, Henry walked away from saying that was

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<v Speaker 4>the greatest thing I've ever done in my life.

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<v Speaker 1>He really really liked it.

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<v Speaker 4>Both the chess lesson and just the entertaining flare of

0:27:37.000 --> 0:27:40.520
<v Speaker 4>the whole thing was so well again, like straight out

0:27:40.520 --> 0:27:41.560
<v Speaker 4>of a flip and movie.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, the downside was you didn't get a chance to

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<v Speaker 2>talk about the big beautiful bill on the air since

0:27:46.840 --> 0:27:49.080
<v Speaker 2>you were on your vacation.

0:27:49.280 --> 0:27:51.879
<v Speaker 4>On our vacation didn't come up in conversation with anyone.

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<v Speaker 4>I'll tell you that a round up.

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<v Speaker 2>Of different people, many of them conservatives, and their takes

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<v Speaker 2>on that message.

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<v Speaker 1>In your home. You're gonna worry about the dogs first.

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<v Speaker 1>Think about it, Henry.

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<v Speaker 7>To try to imagine that anyway, So he keep spitting

0:28:10.200 --> 0:28:12.879
<v Speaker 7>sandwich all over I don't know what to say. The

0:28:13.040 --> 0:28:17.040
<v Speaker 7>dogs are happy with the sandwich leavings, so a bunch

0:28:17.040 --> 0:28:19.679
<v Speaker 7>of different folks, especially on the right side of the aisle.

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<v Speaker 2>What they think of the big, beautiful bill. I found

0:28:21.800 --> 0:28:24.200
<v Speaker 2>it interesting. I think you will too, say with us.

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<v Speaker 8>The bill fulfilled some of the president's key campaign pledges,

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<v Speaker 8>like no taxes on tips and overtime, and it extends

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<v Speaker 8>Trump's twenty seventeen tax cuts at a cost of four

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<v Speaker 8>trillion dollars, much of that going to the wealthiest Americans.

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<v Speaker 8>The bill dramatically increases funding for immigration enforcement, allowing the

0:28:45.120 --> 0:28:49.200
<v Speaker 8>administration to nearly double immigrant attention capacity and allocating more

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<v Speaker 8>than one hundred billion dollars to ice and border enforcement.

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<v Speaker 8>It also guts biden ear, clean energy protections and student

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<v Speaker 8>loan forgiveness programs.

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<v Speaker 4>Oh my god, there's so much, including the number that's

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<v Speaker 4>constantly thrown out of how much this is going to

0:29:04.600 --> 0:29:07.080
<v Speaker 4>add to the deficit, And I'm sure it is going

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<v Speaker 4>to add a lot of money to our national debt.

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<v Speaker 1>Rather, Hello, did everybody hear that or did I have? Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>just you.

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<v Speaker 4>Uh. One of Trump's guys was on I think face

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<v Speaker 4>the nation saying those numbers are from the CBO are wrong.

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<v Speaker 1>CIDEO is wrong all the time. They're wrong about Obamacare.

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<v Speaker 4>They are wrong about the Trumps tack cut the first

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<v Speaker 4>time around, and nobody ever holds them to account on

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<v Speaker 4>the fact that they're wrong.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't have any idea. So for what it's worth, that.

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<v Speaker 2>News report was the living embodiment of Twains, you know

0:29:40.320 --> 0:29:43.920
<v Speaker 2>statement that if you don't watch the news, you're uninformed.

0:29:43.960 --> 0:29:47.200
<v Speaker 2>If you do watch that stupid report, you're missing form R.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, that was terrible. Virtually every phrase of it

0:29:49.880 --> 0:29:51.320
<v Speaker 2>was was prejudicial.

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<v Speaker 1>I thought this was interesting. This is the opposite.

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<v Speaker 2>The good folks that's free Press put out a delio

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<v Speaker 2>where they talked to a bunch of their their writers

0:29:59.360 --> 0:30:02.400
<v Speaker 2>and thinkers and people who are not under their umbrella,

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<v Speaker 2>but they reached for their overall impressions.

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<v Speaker 1>Of the so called big beautiful bill.

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<v Speaker 2>They touch on some of the main provisions and extension

0:30:09.560 --> 0:30:12.640
<v Speaker 2>of the twenty seventeen tax cuts, an increase in the

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<v Speaker 2>debt ceiling of five trillion dollars, tax deductions on tips, overtime,

0:30:16.640 --> 0:30:19.720
<v Speaker 2>and loans for cars made in America. Those they're limited.

0:30:19.720 --> 0:30:22.920
<v Speaker 2>They phase out their temporary blah blahah new work requirement

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<v Speaker 2>of eighty hours per month for Medicaid, and caps on

0:30:25.720 --> 0:30:28.600
<v Speaker 2>medicaid provider taxes, which is a giant, complicated scam, as

0:30:28.600 --> 0:30:32.080
<v Speaker 2>we've talked about, work requirements for food stamps. An additional

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<v Speaker 2>three hundred and fifty billion dollars in spending on defense

0:30:34.920 --> 0:30:37.560
<v Speaker 2>and border security, an end to some tax credits for

0:30:37.600 --> 0:30:40.960
<v Speaker 2>green energy but not enough, among other things. The salt

0:30:41.000 --> 0:30:43.200
<v Speaker 2>deductions has grown, which is disgusting.

0:30:43.440 --> 0:30:45.160
<v Speaker 1>Oh right, so where did they end up on the

0:30:45.160 --> 0:30:45.960
<v Speaker 1>salt deductions?

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<v Speaker 2>Forty grand with phaseouts after you make like half million

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<v Speaker 2>dollars a year.

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<v Speaker 4>There is no reason, no good reason. There are plenty

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<v Speaker 4>of bad reasons, including the fact that the bill passed.

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<v Speaker 4>There is no good reason to put all of this

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<v Speaker 4>disparate doesn't have anything to do with each other's stuff

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<v Speaker 4>in one bill.

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<v Speaker 1>There's just no good reason for it, right, agreed.

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<v Speaker 2>So they at the Free Press they asked a bunch

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<v Speaker 2>of thinkers what they thought of it.

0:31:13.000 --> 0:31:13.440
<v Speaker 1>In general.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm just going to read you the headline and like

0:31:15.640 --> 0:31:18.280
<v Speaker 2>the first two sentences of each for.

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<v Speaker 1>Time limitation reasons, among other things.

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<v Speaker 2>But Newt Gingrich President Trump's One Big, Beautiful Bill is

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<v Speaker 2>an amazing achievement on several grounds. First, it's an enormous

0:31:29.200 --> 0:31:32.720
<v Speaker 2>policy bill about taxes, regulatory processes, badly needed reforms, and

0:31:32.760 --> 0:31:36.000
<v Speaker 2>spending cuts. The sheer scale of the bill is stunningly audacious.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, politics wise, it's absolutely amazing. As I saw a

0:31:41.720 --> 0:31:44.520
<v Speaker 4>bunch of quotes from Democratic strategists who are like, man,

0:31:44.560 --> 0:31:47.960
<v Speaker 4>he is killing it. I mean, they basically say, I

0:31:47.960 --> 0:31:50.120
<v Speaker 4>don't like the guy, but he is killing it in

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<v Speaker 4>terms of this second term.

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<v Speaker 2>Larry Summer's economist, former Treasury Secretary, of the biggest rollback

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<v Speaker 2>in the social safety net in our history. It's an

0:31:57.720 --> 0:32:01.040
<v Speaker 2>addition of trillions to the national debt. Slee risk certainly

0:32:01.040 --> 0:32:04.920
<v Speaker 2>does not guarantee of giving a million dollars on average

0:32:04.920 --> 0:32:07.280
<v Speaker 2>to the richest one in one thousand families and paying

0:32:07.320 --> 0:32:10.240
<v Speaker 2>for it by denying healthcare and basic social services like

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<v Speaker 2>rides to doctor appointments is grotesque, an expensive mistake. But

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<v Speaker 2>not the last words is Jason Furman, economics professor at

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<v Speaker 2>Harvard and former chairman of the White House Council of

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<v Speaker 2>Economic Advisors. Too much deficit and debt, not enough protecting

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<v Speaker 2>of the vulnerable, blah blah blah.

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<v Speaker 1>But it could all change.

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<v Speaker 4>Well, Mack Tyler, Yes, who on the politics of it again, though,

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<v Speaker 4>which is an enormous win. Even Dan Balls of the

0:32:37.920 --> 0:32:41.480
<v Speaker 4>Washington Post we've had on said, by any measure, passage

0:32:41.520 --> 0:32:44.440
<v Speaker 4>of the bill represents a major victory for our president,

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<v Speaker 4>whose influence and dominance continues to expand in a.

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<v Speaker 1>Matter of weeks.

0:32:48.840 --> 0:32:51.440
<v Speaker 4>Who has brought a ceasefire between Iran and Israel after

0:32:51.480 --> 0:32:53.880
<v Speaker 4>a massive bombing attack on Iran's nuclear sites, got a

0:32:53.880 --> 0:32:56.719
<v Speaker 4>pledge from NATO nations to increase their spending on defense,

0:32:56.880 --> 0:32:59.520
<v Speaker 4>has seen the financial markets hit record high, and now

0:32:59.520 --> 0:33:02.600
<v Speaker 4>can boast of legislation that fulfills many of his campaign promises.

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<v Speaker 1>He is a political colossus. Brit Hume called him.

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<v Speaker 4>He is one of the biggest deals in politics in

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<v Speaker 4>a century.

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<v Speaker 2>Agreed, yep, undeniably. Tyler Cowan, who's an economist in a

0:33:14.240 --> 0:33:16.800
<v Speaker 2>great free Press calumnist, says, one of the most radical

0:33:16.840 --> 0:33:20.480
<v Speaker 2>experiments in fiscal policy in my lifetime. I view the big,

0:33:20.480 --> 0:33:23.200
<v Speaker 2>Beautiful Bill of Trump as one of the most radical experiences.

0:33:23.760 --> 0:33:25.680
<v Speaker 2>In essence, Trump is deciding to push all of his

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<v Speaker 2>chips to the center of the table and bet on

0:33:27.720 --> 0:33:31.120
<v Speaker 2>the American economy. And he mentions run up some big

0:33:31.160 --> 0:33:33.320
<v Speaker 2>fat debts, but to bet that we can grow away

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<v Speaker 2>out of it.

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<v Speaker 4>Oh. The debt part of it is just when I

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<v Speaker 4>has listened to a podcast yesterday. When Reagan did his

0:33:39.320 --> 0:33:45.000
<v Speaker 4>big tax cuts, we were at fifty percent of GDP

0:33:45.680 --> 0:33:49.479
<v Speaker 4>debt to GDP. We're now one hundred and fifty percent.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh wow.

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<v Speaker 2>The president of the Manhattan Institute wants to know how

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<v Speaker 2>real are the cuts.

0:33:55.960 --> 0:33:56.400
<v Speaker 1>They're not.

0:33:57.200 --> 0:33:59.880
<v Speaker 2>He doesn't think that the fiscal sanity stuff is legit.

0:34:00.840 --> 0:34:05.960
<v Speaker 2>Kyle Scanlon, economic commentator. A lot of people know his

0:34:06.040 --> 0:34:09.439
<v Speaker 2>work online. Where's the strategy? The One Big Beautiful Bill

0:34:09.480 --> 0:34:12.400
<v Speaker 2>is a major restructuring of US fiscal policy. It combines

0:34:12.480 --> 0:34:15.560
<v Speaker 2>extended Trump here tax cuts with new deductions. Blah blah blah.

0:34:15.800 --> 0:34:19.080
<v Speaker 2>We have to look beyond its implications on just domestic policy.

0:34:19.520 --> 0:34:22.359
<v Speaker 2>And he talks about how and Elon Musk is big

0:34:22.400 --> 0:34:24.600
<v Speaker 2>on this. He's starting new political party. If you didn't

0:34:24.680 --> 0:34:27.760
<v Speaker 2>hear this, He's like, we're going to be a geopolitical

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<v Speaker 2>weakling if we spend ourselves into poverty.

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<v Speaker 1>Absolutely true.

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<v Speaker 4>And every president or politician decides, yeah, well, that's gonna

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<v Speaker 4>have to be somebody else's problem because I'm about getting

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<v Speaker 4>re elected.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Final headlines were pressed for time, disappointing in its bottom line,

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<v Speaker 2>promising in its details, promise in peril for Democrats. According

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<v Speaker 2>to a Democrat, fiscal responsibility is dead. That's Charles Lane,

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<v Speaker 2>Free Press column.

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<v Speaker 4>Clearly, yeah has been dead for quite some time. We

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<v Speaker 4>just were slow waking up to it.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, And now it just doesn't really have a constituency.

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<v Speaker 4>Well, Elon's gonna try. We should talk more about that.

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<v Speaker 4>When he claims his plans are how serious he is

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<v Speaker 4>about I don't know. After he made that announcement over

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<v Speaker 4>the weekend, Tesla stock dropped. I don't think they like

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<v Speaker 4>him getting involved in politics again. Got a lot more

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<v Speaker 4>in the way. If you missed a segment, get the

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<v Speaker 4>podcast Armstrong and Getty

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<v Speaker 1>On demand Armstrong and Getty