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Speaker 1: Broadcasting live from the Abraham Lincoln Radio Studio, the George

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Speaker 1: Washington Broadcast.

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Speaker 2: Center, Jack Armstrong and Joe Ketty Armstrong.

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Speaker 1: And Getty and he Armstrong and Getty.

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Speaker 3: The American Revolution is the most important event since the

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Speaker 3: birth of Christ in all of world history.

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Speaker 4: I loved hearing that, flipping on face. The nation got

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Speaker 4: back from vacation and they had ken Burns, the documentary filmmaker,

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Speaker 4: the most famous documentary filmmaker who's ever lived, on there

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Speaker 4: to talk about his new documentary about the American Revolution,

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Speaker 4: which is coming out in November. But they interviewed him

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Speaker 4: for Fourth of July weekend and him presenting it in

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Speaker 4: this is a fantastic thing that happened for world history terms.

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Speaker 4: It's just my whole life that was normal, but after

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Speaker 4: the last you know, four or five years of wokeness,

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Speaker 4: it kind of was a little.

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Speaker 1: Like knocked me down. WHOA people still think this.

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Speaker 4: Well.

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Speaker 2: I don't want to get off on this tangent too much,

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Speaker 2: but I find myself a little bit surprised, as ken

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Speaker 2: Burns has been a little howard zinish for me in

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Speaker 1: But I'm glad to hear it.

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Speaker 2: Maybe he's just a canny businessman, and he knows who's

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Speaker 2: going to watch these this documentary. But I love what

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Speaker 2: he's said. I hate to be that a cynical. Well,

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Speaker 2: that makes you a sap. Before we get into the

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Speaker 2: more of the interview, Well, I don't want to steal

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Speaker 2: this thunder.

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Speaker 1: We'll do that first.

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Speaker 2: Then I've got another great quote that's a similar sort

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Speaker 4: Yeah, we missed fourth of July with you while we

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Speaker 4: were gone on vacation, so we're catching up a little

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Speaker 4: on that sort of talk here.

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Speaker 1: And here's Ken Burns talking about his documentary.

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Speaker 5: You called the revolutionary period a civil war? Was that

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Speaker 5: always your conception of the rev How did you come

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Speaker 3: I think because there's no photographs and there's no newsreels,

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Speaker 3: Also are so proud, rightfully of the power of the

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Speaker 3: big ideas that we just don't want to get into

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Speaker 3: the fact that it was this bloody civil war patriots

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Speaker 3: against loyalists, disaffected people, native people, enslaved and free people

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Speaker 3: within it, foreign powers that are ultimately engaged in this

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Speaker 3: is a big world war. By the end, I think

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Speaker 3: we perhaps are fearful that those big ideas are diminished,

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Speaker 3: and they're not in any way. They're in fact become

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Speaker 3: even more inspiring that they emerge from the turmoil.

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Speaker 1: Why not roll on then we'll discuss, Michael, how should.

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Speaker 5: We think about the Declaration of independence this period in

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Speaker 3: First of all, I think the American Revolution is the

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Speaker 3: most important event since the birth of Christ in all

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Speaker 3: of world history. I mean, it turned the world upside down,

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Speaker 3: which is the cliche. Before this moment, everyone was a subject,

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Speaker 3: in this moment a very brand new thing called a citizen.

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Speaker 1: And this has had powerful effects.

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Speaker 3: It's going to set in motion revolutions for the next

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Speaker 3: all men are created equal, that they're endowed by their

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Speaker 4: Yeah, and hearing ken Burns say that and CBS, you know,

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Speaker 2: I remember when for a long time the notion, again,

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Speaker 1: And no, I mean it.

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Speaker 2: Instituted on earth an experiment in self governance and a

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Speaker 4: And to take it further than that, the fact that

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Speaker 4: your school's library. The idea that, no, the revolution was

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Speaker 2: Yeah, education and media it's an I've seen a suggestion

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Speaker 2: this real quickly from Jonah Goldberg. Then we can get

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Speaker 2: back to the interview. I just don't want to steal

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Speaker 2: all of its thunder. The birth of the United States

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Speaker 2: of America was not merely the most important geopolitical event

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Speaker 2: political event ever. Because Rome's fall wasn't exactly a planned

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Speaker 2: out exercise, it was the signature catalyst for the real

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Speaker 2: world realization of various Enlightenment principles like democracy, human rights,

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Speaker 2: free speech, and representative government. The unfolding success of that

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Speaker 2: America becoming the single most influential and powerful country in

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Speaker 2: the American founding, and it certainly ranks among the most

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Speaker 2: consequential events in all of human history, political and non

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Speaker 4: No doubt I mean to argue against that is well,

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Speaker 4: it's crazy.

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Speaker 1: You can't.

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Speaker 4: I hope it's over, but you can't look at enough

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Speaker 4: that period. We just came through the whole George Floyd

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Speaker 4: just craziness. We lost our minds. Thank god that didn't

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Speaker 4: win the day. At the time, it felt like it

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Speaker 1: The day, right, right, And if you were fighting against it,

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Speaker 4: And I'm so excited that Ken Burns thought, you know,

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Speaker 4: I'm gonna do a documentary about the American Revolution and

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Speaker 4: present it as a good thing, like a great thing,

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Speaker 4: like one of the greatest things that ever happened to

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Speaker 2: Right, As I've said many, many times about religion and

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Speaker 2: That's the way we are. But that doesn't diminish the

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Speaker 2: greatness the wonder of the founding of the country and

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Speaker 2: the principles on which it was founded. Yeah, human beings

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Speaker 2: do the other one or the other clipper now, all.

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Speaker 1: So, what happens here.

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Speaker 3: Is I suppose you could, you know, miss the point

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Speaker 3: and say it's a quarrel between Englishmen. But it is

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Speaker 3: that is something to celebrate and to understand. Two that

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Speaker 3: it comes out of so much division that's going on

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Speaker 3: they're from different countries, they believe different things. That you

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Speaker 3: figure out a way to come together.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, making the point that we've always been divided, very

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Speaker 4: divided over various subjects of various times, and so what

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Speaker 4: we're doing now is not something new. They do get

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Speaker 4: into a conversation that I really liked about the importance

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Speaker 4: I think that's the different thing that people are missing

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Speaker 4: we're arguing about things in a nonsensical way that I

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Speaker 4: don't feel like was always.

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Speaker 1: Our nation's history.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't know. Politics is always grubbier in the

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Speaker 2: and more stupid. The thing that troubles me, and I

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Speaker 2: was just going to say to set up the next segment,

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Speaker 2: is if you think, well, ken Burns is back to

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Speaker 2: being a patriot so everything's fine.

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Speaker 1: Absolutely not.

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Speaker 2: There's a new Gallop poll out about patriotism pride in

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Speaker 4: I had brought my self up listening to the ken

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Speaker 4: on network television, that they're even okay saying out loud

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Speaker 4: the American Revolution was a good thing and the founding

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Speaker 4: fathers did something great for humanity, because I can't remember

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Speaker 4: the last time anybody said that out loud on network TV.

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Speaker 1: I was so excited about that. Now you're gonna bring

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Speaker 2: Jack, I'm gonna slap down your childlike enthusiasms, and then

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Speaker 1: Move it there.

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Speaker 2: But then at the end, at the end, Michael, we'll

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Speaker 2: be moving up. I thought that was clear as the

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Speaker 2: commuters and again say I'm gonna take a flamethrower to

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Speaker 1: So I was.

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Speaker 4: I mentioned this earlier as at the Museum of Natural

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Speaker 4: I was asking my kids. They got really tired of

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Speaker 4: my rants over vacation, But like, did that help a

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Speaker 4: I'm looking for one human being that was damaged by

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Speaker 4: the existence of that statue.

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Speaker 1: No, I could make a counter argument.

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Speaker 2: It's so crazy, Yeah, that it actually benefited people, many people,

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Speaker 5: Wow.

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Speaker 4: Anyway, Joe's got his poll to bring us down, and

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Speaker 4: then he's going to bring his back up next.

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Speaker 3: The American Revolution is the most important event since the

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Speaker 3: birth of Christ in all of world history.

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Speaker 4: I love hearing that from Ken Burns about his new

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Speaker 4: documentary because it's true, and it's amazing how little we

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Speaker 4: teach it anymore. I remember when David McCullough, the historian

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Speaker 4: who wrote the real popular books John Adams in seventeen

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Speaker 4: he said, we can never learn enough about these people

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Speaker 1: I mean, it's the whole thing, it's the whole ball

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Speaker 2: Let, especially our education system and some other of the

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Speaker 2: institutions run by the left, pervert that story and teach

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Speaker 2: it's regrettable and it should have never happened. I mean,

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Speaker 2: it's an obscene thing to teach the young people of

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Speaker 2: All great change in America begins at the dinner table.

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Speaker 4: h He said, what's your what's your name, Henry?

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Speaker 1: What's your rating, Henry?

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Speaker 4: And Henry told him I don't know whatever his number

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Speaker 4: is on his rating, because you get a chest rating

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Speaker 4: when you're on chest dot com. Oh yo, beginner, Okay, Henry,

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Speaker 4: Well then I won't play you. I will give you

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Speaker 4: a lesson. Five dad, five dollars for a lesson.

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Speaker 1: Okay, fine, and he says, is on there.

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Speaker 4: And it was just one of the most amazing, interesting

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Speaker 4: things I've ever witnessed. Henry walked away from it saying,

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Speaker 4: this is the coolest thing I've ever done in my life.

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Speaker 1: But it was so strange. The guy was so drunk.

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Speaker 4: For one thing, he had the really drunk guy eyes

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Speaker 4: you know where they're like really good, yes, and watery,

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Speaker 4: and he kept sho shoveling these. He had a paper

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Speaker 4: bag with him. He'd brought sandwiches from home. This gets

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Speaker 4: to the I don't know what these people are doing,

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Speaker 4: if they make money doing this or is this your job?

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Speaker 4: I mean, I guess you play them for money.

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Speaker 1: I don't know.

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Speaker 2: A good friend of the show is a friend of

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Speaker 2: mine just texted the New York chess hustlers usually play

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Speaker 2: for a few bucks.

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Speaker 1: They're usually very good.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, I mean it was unbelievable. As drunk as

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Speaker 4: this guy was, he started, I'm gonna give you a lesson, Henry.

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Speaker 1: You remember this arrest of your life.

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Speaker 4: First of all, number one, get one thousand and one

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Speaker 4: chess moves. Get the book, and he names the guy Dad,

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Speaker 4: buy him that book. Okay, And they set up the

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Speaker 4: chess pieces and they start to play. Let me see

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Speaker 4: how good you are, Henry. So they play for a

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Speaker 4: little bit, and Henry would go to make a movie.

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Speaker 1: He put it back, Henry. Henry put it back.

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Speaker 4: No, Henry, think about it, Henry, And so then we

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Speaker 4: do that. It's okay, So let me give you a lesson,

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Speaker 4: And so then he gives him a lesson. And he's

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Speaker 4: sitting by and he's shoveling this sandwich that he made

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Speaker 4: into his mouth, and parts of it are getting in

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Speaker 4: his mouth, but most of it's not, and the rest

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Speaker 4: of it's just like falling on his shirt and onto

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Speaker 4: the chessboard, and he'd have to wipe the chunks and

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Speaker 4: sandwich away as he's moving the chessboarder. At one point,

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Speaker 4: he kicks over his half a bottle of Miller Lite

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Speaker 4: and it tips over and rolls between my legs. I mean,

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Speaker 4: he's just he's a drunk like he seems like a

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Speaker 4: homeless guy. Yeah, I don't even know what's going on there, Henry.

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Speaker 4: I'm gonna give you a lesson.

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Speaker 3: Now.

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Speaker 4: The best guy in the park, that guy over there

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Speaker 4: with the sunglasses on, he's the best player in the

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Speaker 4: park right now. Nobody will play him again, Which gets

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Speaker 4: to my if nobody will play you because you're so good,

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Speaker 4: how do you make any money.

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Speaker 1: I'm not sure how this works.

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Speaker 2: Hey, you gotta wait for somebody strong. My chest playing

501
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Speaker 2: friend also pointed out that it's a thing among chest enthusiasts.

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Speaker 2: There are there are videos of grand masters going under

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Speaker 2: cover and playing these guys and appreciating how good someone.

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Speaker 4: Oh yeah, this dude was amazing when Henry was actually

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Speaker 4: playing him, how fast he would move and how he

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Speaker 4: saw the whole board was, to be as drunk as

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Speaker 4: he was in the hot sun was really quite amazing.

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Speaker 1: Was he really drunk or do you think this was

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Speaker 1: part of the hustle?

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Speaker 4: No, he was drunk. I know, I know a drunk guy,

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Speaker 4: and he was very drunk. And there were many people

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Speaker 4: playing chess. It was mostly dude sitting at empty chess

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Speaker 4: tables waiting for somebody to come play him for whatever. Anyway,

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Speaker 4: So his lesson was, Henry, let me ask you a question.

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Speaker 4: You're a home by yourself. And outside the door there

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Speaker 4: was a gorilla and two dogs. Okay, a gorilla and

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Speaker 4: two dogs. Wow, they knocked down the door and they

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Speaker 4: come into the house. What do you do, Henry, I

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Speaker 4: don't know. I called my dad.

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Speaker 1: You don't have a phone, Henry.

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Speaker 4: What do you do when the gorilla and the two

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Speaker 4: dogs coming home?

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Speaker 1: And it was just like this the whole time, so

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Speaker 1: wild the dogs and punched the gorilla.

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Speaker 4: No, I guess I worry about the dogs because I

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Speaker 4: can't fight a gorilla. No, Henry, Henry, that is wrong.

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Speaker 4: What is the biggest threat, Henry?

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Speaker 1: The gorilla?

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Speaker 4: That's right, The gorilla is the biggest threat. So do

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Speaker 4: you see where my queen is right now? That is

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Speaker 4: your biggest threat. Get rid of the gorilla, Henry. And

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Speaker 4: so Henry moved and got rid of the queen. Now

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Speaker 4: you don't have to worry about the gorilla. Do you

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Speaker 4: see where my two dogs are?

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Speaker 1: Henry? And it was just like that through the whole thing.

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Speaker 1: He went on for like forty five minutes.

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Speaker 4: It was incredibly entertaining and really interesting imagery to try

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Speaker 4: to figure out some chess strategy.

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Speaker 1: For a few bucks.

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Speaker 2: For five bucks place, that's the best money you've ever

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Speaker 2: spent in your life.

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Speaker 4: And did the entertainment alone, let alone the chess lesson.

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Speaker 4: It was really so it was like out of a

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Speaker 4: freaking movie. And I thought, what are you? I mean,

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Speaker 4: his clothes he looked like a homeless person. I mean,

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Speaker 4: his shoes had holes in him. He smelled bad, he's

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Speaker 4: spinning his sandwich all over, he's hammered, drunk, but brilliant

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Speaker 4: at chess. I just so, I don't know what's going

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Speaker 4: on there.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: I think we've all known people like that, whether they're

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Speaker 2: musicians or writers or what have you, that they have

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Speaker 2: an incredible level of capability at one thing, but not

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Speaker 2: so much on life skills or hanging on to a

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Speaker 2: job for instance, or don't want to right for whatever reason.

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Speaker 1: God dang it, that was interesting.

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Speaker 4: Like I said, Henry walked away from saying that was

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Speaker 4: the greatest thing I've ever done in my life.

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Speaker 1: He really really liked it.

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Speaker 4: Both the chess lesson and just the entertaining flare of

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Speaker 4: the whole thing was so well again, like straight out

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Speaker 4: of a flip and movie.

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Speaker 2: Well, the downside was you didn't get a chance to

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Speaker 2: talk about the big beautiful bill on the air since

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Speaker 2: you were on your vacation.

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Speaker 4: On our vacation didn't come up in conversation with anyone.

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Speaker 4: I'll tell you that a round up.

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Speaker 2: Of different people, many of them conservatives, and their takes

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Speaker 2: on that message.

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Speaker 1: In your home. You're gonna worry about the dogs first.

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Speaker 1: Think about it, Henry.

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Speaker 7: To try to imagine that anyway, So he keep spitting

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Speaker 7: sandwich all over I don't know what to say. The

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Speaker 7: dogs are happy with the sandwich leavings, so a bunch

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Speaker 7: of different folks, especially on the right side of the aisle.

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Speaker 2: What they think of the big, beautiful bill. I found

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Speaker 2: it interesting. I think you will too, say with us.

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Speaker 8: The bill fulfilled some of the president's key campaign pledges,

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Speaker 8: like no taxes on tips and overtime, and it extends

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Speaker 8: Trump's twenty seventeen tax cuts at a cost of four

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Speaker 8: trillion dollars, much of that going to the wealthiest Americans.

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Speaker 8: The bill dramatically increases funding for immigration enforcement, allowing the

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Speaker 8: administration to nearly double immigrant attention capacity and allocating more

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Speaker 8: than one hundred billion dollars to ice and border enforcement.

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Speaker 8: It also guts biden ear, clean energy protections and student

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Speaker 8: loan forgiveness programs.

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Speaker 4: Oh my god, there's so much, including the number that's

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Speaker 4: constantly thrown out of how much this is going to

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Speaker 4: add to the deficit, And I'm sure it is going

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Speaker 4: to add a lot of money to our national debt.

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Speaker 1: Rather, Hello, did everybody hear that or did I have? Okay,

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Speaker 1: just you.

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Speaker 4: Uh. One of Trump's guys was on I think face

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Speaker 4: the nation saying those numbers are from the CBO are wrong.

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Speaker 1: CIDEO is wrong all the time. They're wrong about Obamacare.

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Speaker 4: They are wrong about the Trumps tack cut the first

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Speaker 4: time around, and nobody ever holds them to account on

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Speaker 4: the fact that they're wrong.

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Speaker 1: I don't have any idea. So for what it's worth, that.

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Speaker 2: News report was the living embodiment of Twains, you know

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Speaker 2: statement that if you don't watch the news, you're uninformed.

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Speaker 2: If you do watch that stupid report, you're missing form R.

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Speaker 2: I mean, that was terrible. Virtually every phrase of it

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Speaker 2: was was prejudicial.

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Speaker 1: I thought this was interesting. This is the opposite.

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Speaker 2: The good folks that's free Press put out a delio

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Speaker 2: where they talked to a bunch of their their writers

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Speaker 2: and thinkers and people who are not under their umbrella,

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Speaker 2: but they reached for their overall impressions.

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Speaker 1: Of the so called big beautiful bill.

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Speaker 2: They touch on some of the main provisions and extension

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Speaker 2: of the twenty seventeen tax cuts, an increase in the

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Speaker 2: debt ceiling of five trillion dollars, tax deductions on tips, overtime,

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Speaker 2: and loans for cars made in America. Those they're limited.

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Speaker 2: They phase out their temporary blah blahah new work requirement

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Speaker 2: of eighty hours per month for Medicaid, and caps on

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Speaker 2: medicaid provider taxes, which is a giant, complicated scam, as

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Speaker 2: we've talked about, work requirements for food stamps. An additional

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Speaker 2: three hundred and fifty billion dollars in spending on defense

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Speaker 2: and border security, an end to some tax credits for

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Speaker 2: green energy but not enough, among other things. The salt

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Speaker 2: deductions has grown, which is disgusting.

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Speaker 1: Oh right, so where did they end up on the

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Speaker 1: salt deductions?

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Speaker 2: Forty grand with phaseouts after you make like half million

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Speaker 2: dollars a year.

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Speaker 4: There is no reason, no good reason. There are plenty

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Speaker 4: of bad reasons, including the fact that the bill passed.

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Speaker 4: There is no good reason to put all of this

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Speaker 4: disparate doesn't have anything to do with each other's stuff

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Speaker 4: in one bill.

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Speaker 1: There's just no good reason for it, right, agreed.

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Speaker 2: So they at the Free Press they asked a bunch

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Speaker 2: of thinkers what they thought of it.

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Speaker 1: In general.

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Speaker 2: I'm just going to read you the headline and like

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Speaker 2: the first two sentences of each for.

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Speaker 1: Time limitation reasons, among other things.

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Speaker 2: But Newt Gingrich President Trump's One Big, Beautiful Bill is

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Speaker 2: an amazing achievement on several grounds. First, it's an enormous

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Speaker 2: policy bill about taxes, regulatory processes, badly needed reforms, and

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Speaker 2: spending cuts. The sheer scale of the bill is stunningly audacious.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, politics wise, it's absolutely amazing. As I saw a

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Speaker 4: bunch of quotes from Democratic strategists who are like, man,

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Speaker 4: he is killing it. I mean, they basically say, I

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Speaker 4: don't like the guy, but he is killing it in

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Speaker 4: terms of this second term.

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Speaker 2: Larry Summer's economist, former Treasury Secretary, of the biggest rollback

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Speaker 2: in the social safety net in our history. It's an

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Speaker 2: addition of trillions to the national debt. Slee risk certainly

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Speaker 2: does not guarantee of giving a million dollars on average

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Speaker 2: to the richest one in one thousand families and paying

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Speaker 2: for it by denying healthcare and basic social services like

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Speaker 2: rides to doctor appointments is grotesque, an expensive mistake. But

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Speaker 2: not the last words is Jason Furman, economics professor at

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Speaker 2: Harvard and former chairman of the White House Council of

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Speaker 2: Economic Advisors. Too much deficit and debt, not enough protecting

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Speaker 2: of the vulnerable, blah blah blah.

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Speaker 1: But it could all change.

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Speaker 4: Well, Mack Tyler, Yes, who on the politics of it again, though,

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Speaker 4: which is an enormous win. Even Dan Balls of the

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Speaker 4: Washington Post we've had on said, by any measure, passage

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Speaker 4: of the bill represents a major victory for our president,

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Speaker 4: whose influence and dominance continues to expand in a.

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Speaker 1: Matter of weeks.

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Speaker 4: Who has brought a ceasefire between Iran and Israel after

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Speaker 4: a massive bombing attack on Iran's nuclear sites, got a

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Speaker 4: pledge from NATO nations to increase their spending on defense,

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Speaker 4: has seen the financial markets hit record high, and now

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Speaker 4: can boast of legislation that fulfills many of his campaign promises.

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Speaker 1: He is a political colossus. Brit Hume called him.

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Speaker 4: He is one of the biggest deals in politics in

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Speaker 4: a century.

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Speaker 2: Agreed, yep, undeniably. Tyler Cowan, who's an economist in a

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Speaker 2: great free Press calumnist, says, one of the most radical

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Speaker 2: experiments in fiscal policy in my lifetime. I view the big,

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Speaker 2: Beautiful Bill of Trump as one of the most radical experiences.

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Speaker 2: In essence, Trump is deciding to push all of his

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Speaker 2: chips to the center of the table and bet on

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Speaker 2: the American economy. And he mentions run up some big

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Speaker 2: fat debts, but to bet that we can grow away

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Speaker 2: out of it.

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Speaker 4: Oh. The debt part of it is just when I

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Speaker 4: has listened to a podcast yesterday. When Reagan did his

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Speaker 4: big tax cuts, we were at fifty percent of GDP

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Speaker 4: debt to GDP. We're now one hundred and fifty percent.

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Speaker 1: Oh wow.

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Speaker 2: The president of the Manhattan Institute wants to know how

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Speaker 2: real are the cuts.

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Speaker 1: They're not.

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Speaker 2: He doesn't think that the fiscal sanity stuff is legit.

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Speaker 2: Kyle Scanlon, economic commentator. A lot of people know his

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Speaker 2: work online. Where's the strategy? The One Big Beautiful Bill

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Speaker 2: is a major restructuring of US fiscal policy. It combines

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Speaker 2: extended Trump here tax cuts with new deductions. Blah blah blah.

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Speaker 2: We have to look beyond its implications on just domestic policy.

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Speaker 2: And he talks about how and Elon Musk is big

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Speaker 2: on this. He's starting new political party. If you didn't

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Speaker 2: hear this, He's like, we're going to be a geopolitical

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Speaker 2: weakling if we spend ourselves into poverty.

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Speaker 1: Absolutely true.

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Speaker 4: And every president or politician decides, yeah, well, that's gonna

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Speaker 4: have to be somebody else's problem because I'm about getting

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Speaker 4: re elected.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Final headlines were pressed for time, disappointing in its bottom line,

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Speaker 2: promising in its details, promise in peril for Democrats. According

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Speaker 2: to a Democrat, fiscal responsibility is dead. That's Charles Lane,

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Speaker 2: Free Press column.

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Speaker 4: Clearly, yeah has been dead for quite some time. We

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Speaker 4: just were slow waking up to it.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, And now it just doesn't really have a constituency.

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Speaker 4: Well, Elon's gonna try. We should talk more about that.

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Speaker 4: When he claims his plans are how serious he is

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Speaker 4: about I don't know. After he made that announcement over

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Speaker 4: the weekend, Tesla stock dropped. I don't think they like

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Speaker 4: him getting involved in politics again. Got a lot more

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Speaker 4: in the way. If you missed a segment, get the

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Speaker 4: podcast Armstrong and Getty

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Speaker 1: On demand Armstrong and Getty