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Speaker 1: welcome to games with names.

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Speaker 2: I'm Julian Edelman, and there Jack and Kyler, and we're

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Speaker 3: To find the greatest game of all time.

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Speaker 2: On today's episode, we're covering the duck rule game Patriots

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Speaker 1: One of the most pivotal, important and genuinely emotional games

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Speaker 3: This is an instant classic.

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Speaker 1: Let's Go Games and Names is a production of iHeartRadio.

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Speaker 1: January nineteen, two thousand and two.

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Speaker 4: The old Foxborough Stadium, Foxborough, Massachusetts.

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Speaker 1: Driving snow, the Patriots trail the Raiders thirteen to ten.

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Speaker 2: Today we are looking at the tuck Rull Game two

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Speaker 1: Game, The tuck Rull Game, the tuck Rull Game, the Snowballs, Snowball,

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Speaker 1: in a second here, here's the deal, games with names, right,

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Speaker 2: The first question we always ask our guests is, in

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Speaker 3: What's life looking like right now.

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Speaker 1: Life looks very different. We live nine months out of

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Speaker 2: and it's like, oh, it's gonna be even fucking harder

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00:22:29,920 --> 00:22:32,719
Speaker 2: like it was. Just every year is turn the page,

434
00:22:32,760 --> 00:22:36,360
Speaker 2: Bob Seeger, we got to go. It doesn't matter what happened,

435
00:22:36,680 --> 00:22:39,720
Speaker 2: it's only getting harder. Everyone's designing their team to beat you.

436
00:22:39,720 --> 00:22:42,280
Speaker 2: You have another year of film on you, so it's

437
00:22:42,359 --> 00:22:43,120
Speaker 2: just a grind.

438
00:22:43,160 --> 00:22:45,840
Speaker 1: And yeah, so I want to hit you back with

439
00:22:45,880 --> 00:22:47,679
Speaker 1: something on that though, like you mentioned the beginning of that,

440
00:22:48,040 --> 00:22:50,400
Speaker 1: your family, your friends, the people loved you the most

441
00:22:50,400 --> 00:22:53,479
Speaker 1: and you love the most. They all understood, right, because

442
00:22:53,600 --> 00:22:58,080
Speaker 1: they knew your maniacal self and you were not alone. Yeah. No,

443
00:22:58,200 --> 00:23:01,200
Speaker 1: And part of what I what I've talked about here

444
00:23:01,359 --> 00:23:05,680
Speaker 1: is this and again, I mean, you know, I've talked

445
00:23:05,680 --> 00:23:09,280
Speaker 1: about this life and this lifestyle and particularly the way

446
00:23:09,320 --> 00:23:13,040
Speaker 1: that we did it. Again including Parcels said one time

447
00:23:13,080 --> 00:23:15,919
Speaker 1: that this is like a narcotic and and this is

448
00:23:15,960 --> 00:23:19,879
Speaker 1: like a drug, man, And we end up having people

449
00:23:19,920 --> 00:23:23,159
Speaker 1: around us because we do stuff that's really dysfunctional. The

450
00:23:23,240 --> 00:23:25,520
Speaker 1: number of weddings that I missed, the number of births

451
00:23:25,520 --> 00:23:29,160
Speaker 1: that I missed, the number of holidays, and everyone just said, oh,

452
00:23:29,160 --> 00:23:31,159
Speaker 1: that's part of the lifestyle. That's part of it. And

453
00:23:31,280 --> 00:23:35,399
Speaker 1: people that love you actually start becoming enablers. And I

454
00:23:35,440 --> 00:23:39,119
Speaker 1: come from a family of addicts, so I've understood, I understand,

455
00:23:39,359 --> 00:23:45,280
Speaker 1: got a couple of the different it's it's same same

456
00:23:45,359 --> 00:23:47,919
Speaker 1: And you know, unfortunately I lost my sister to addiction

457
00:23:48,000 --> 00:23:51,200
Speaker 1: last year. But I say that because there's this life

458
00:23:51,200 --> 00:23:54,600
Speaker 1: in this lifestyle that is really in certain ways it's

459
00:23:54,600 --> 00:23:57,359
Speaker 1: so healthy. But I'm like looking at your eyes as

460
00:23:57,359 --> 00:23:59,399
Speaker 1: you're sitting there telling that story, man, there's like this

461
00:24:01,200 --> 00:24:04,280
Speaker 1: it gets us, man, and then the people around us like, oh,

462
00:24:04,320 --> 00:24:06,760
Speaker 1: it's okay that you missed that wedding. Oh it's okay.

463
00:24:06,920 --> 00:24:09,560
Speaker 1: You know. One of the things I swear as I was,

464
00:24:09,640 --> 00:24:12,399
Speaker 1: you know, when we had our daughter. My wife and

465
00:24:12,440 --> 00:24:13,960
Speaker 1: I were both thirty eight at the time, so we

466
00:24:13,960 --> 00:24:16,000
Speaker 1: were you know, late to start get to get married.

467
00:24:16,040 --> 00:24:17,320
Speaker 1: And because I was married to the.

468
00:24:17,240 --> 00:24:19,920
Speaker 2: Game first, and you know, he kind of married the

469
00:24:19,960 --> 00:24:30,000
Speaker 2: game too. Parcel's daughter, that's a long story.

470
00:24:30,400 --> 00:24:33,640
Speaker 1: She actually I met her at work and she actually

471
00:24:33,880 --> 00:24:38,800
Speaker 1: was working with my sister for years before. But but anyway,

472
00:24:38,880 --> 00:24:43,280
Speaker 1: like I'll never forget thinking, Okay, I'm going to normalize myself.

473
00:24:43,320 --> 00:24:45,680
Speaker 1: There's things, there's certain things I'm not going to miss.

474
00:24:45,800 --> 00:24:47,719
Speaker 1: I'm going to make sure that you know me as

475
00:24:47,800 --> 00:24:50,400
Speaker 1: first day of school, I'm gonna take her to school, kindergarten.

476
00:24:50,440 --> 00:24:52,520
Speaker 1: We're going to take it, you know, over rent them.

477
00:24:52,560 --> 00:24:56,120
Speaker 1: And and I had all these ideas, and this game

478
00:24:56,240 --> 00:24:59,120
Speaker 1: grabs you at the moment you don't have. The night

479
00:24:59,160 --> 00:25:01,920
Speaker 1: before her first day of school, where I was going

480
00:25:01,960 --> 00:25:03,520
Speaker 1: to be a good dad, it was the three of

481
00:25:03,560 --> 00:25:06,440
Speaker 1: us were going to go to school. Spy gate, spy gate.

482
00:25:06,880 --> 00:25:08,840
Speaker 1: Guess who didn't take little media first day of school

483
00:25:08,960 --> 00:25:13,040
Speaker 1: kindergarten Yeah, this game it sucks you in, man, you

484
00:25:13,080 --> 00:25:15,320
Speaker 1: know what I mean. And we and we find reasons

485
00:25:15,320 --> 00:25:17,760
Speaker 1: to justify the behaviors anyway. I don't mean to head down,

486
00:25:17,760 --> 00:25:20,680
Speaker 1: but no, but it's crazy. And then and you long

487
00:25:20,840 --> 00:25:23,639
Speaker 1: for it when it's gone. You want it. Yeah, you

488
00:25:23,640 --> 00:25:25,800
Speaker 1: always want what you can't have. Yeah, and the super

489
00:25:25,800 --> 00:25:30,000
Speaker 1: Bowl thing, man, Yeah, it's never enough. It's never It's

490
00:25:30,080 --> 00:25:31,160
Speaker 1: like a drug, it.

491
00:25:31,119 --> 00:25:35,200
Speaker 2: Is, and it's almost you know you hear. I don't

492
00:25:35,240 --> 00:25:38,240
Speaker 2: know if I like winning as much as I hate losing.

493
00:25:39,480 --> 00:25:42,760
Speaker 2: I just you can relate to that, right, No, I

494
00:25:43,000 --> 00:25:46,840
Speaker 2: you said that, I've heard it. Yeah, I feel I

495
00:25:46,920 --> 00:25:49,320
Speaker 2: live that like I live. That's like winning as much

496
00:25:49,320 --> 00:25:52,440
Speaker 2: as I just hate losing like you love winning. Yeah,

497
00:25:52,880 --> 00:25:55,120
Speaker 2: winning is fun, but it's only a short fun.

498
00:25:56,040 --> 00:25:59,800
Speaker 1: But the loss. I still think twenty sixteen, I still

499
00:25:59,800 --> 00:26:03,159
Speaker 1: think about the third down out of halftime drop, not

500
00:26:03,280 --> 00:26:04,159
Speaker 1: the fucking catch.

501
00:26:04,160 --> 00:26:06,960
Speaker 2: Everyone asked about the catch. I think I think about

502
00:26:07,359 --> 00:26:08,680
Speaker 2: being the raw rock guy.

503
00:26:09,000 --> 00:26:10,879
Speaker 1: In the in the locker room, it's gonna be a

504
00:26:10,880 --> 00:26:13,400
Speaker 1: hell of a story, and dropping the fucking third down

505
00:26:13,400 --> 00:26:15,640
Speaker 1: when I could have I could have kept it going,

506
00:26:15,720 --> 00:26:17,080
Speaker 1: you know where I was working there in that game

507
00:26:17,320 --> 00:26:20,120
Speaker 1: where were you working on that game? Boy? Really, we're

508
00:26:20,119 --> 00:26:20,399
Speaker 1: going here.

509
00:26:21,520 --> 00:26:23,919
Speaker 6: You brought it up, he brought it up.

510
00:26:24,480 --> 00:26:27,240
Speaker 1: You know where you're working where I was working for

511
00:26:27,280 --> 00:26:29,840
Speaker 1: the Falcons. I know exactly where you're working. I know

512
00:26:29,880 --> 00:26:32,879
Speaker 1: you're up in my mouth, jewels. That was That was

513
00:26:32,880 --> 00:26:34,920
Speaker 1: a tough one. Good for you though not everyone could

514
00:26:34,920 --> 00:26:40,840
Speaker 1: be winners. No, but tell us about another team that

515
00:26:40,880 --> 00:26:44,520
Speaker 1: you're associated with with this new women's uh Soccer league

516
00:26:44,640 --> 00:26:48,200
Speaker 1: that's coming here to Boston right there, n w s

517
00:26:48,359 --> 00:26:51,120
Speaker 1: L Boston. Man. We have not given the team yet

518
00:26:51,920 --> 00:26:55,880
Speaker 1: name yet, some people know it. It's going to be announced,

519
00:26:55,960 --> 00:26:59,960
Speaker 1: coming very soon. That'll be awesome. Yeah, yeah, it's you know,

520
00:27:00,160 --> 00:27:05,680
Speaker 1: there's this Jennifer Epstein who's the managing partner that it's

521
00:27:05,720 --> 00:27:11,159
Speaker 1: owned by by three women and it's just NWSL's you know,

522
00:27:11,240 --> 00:27:13,600
Speaker 1: is Boom. I've always been a huge women's soccer fan,

523
00:27:14,160 --> 00:27:16,200
Speaker 1: you know, even before the ninety nine ers at one

524
00:27:16,600 --> 00:27:17,359
Speaker 1: won the World Cup.

525
00:27:18,640 --> 00:27:20,760
Speaker 3: So is Brandy Chess stain to talk about that game

526
00:27:20,800 --> 00:27:21,440
Speaker 3: on here?

527
00:27:21,640 --> 00:27:26,359
Speaker 1: Did you have to watch? That's awesome? She's unbelievable. Santa

528
00:27:26,400 --> 00:27:28,720
Speaker 1: Monica Surf, that's my little daughter's team. We got to

529
00:27:28,720 --> 00:27:31,679
Speaker 1: get you guys going Let's go big, big game. They

530
00:27:31,680 --> 00:27:34,840
Speaker 1: had a big game, big turney last week. Let's keep

531
00:27:34,840 --> 00:27:39,159
Speaker 1: it going. Effort and attitude. Effort and attitude. See this

532
00:27:39,200 --> 00:27:41,920
Speaker 1: is parenting from from far away. I love it, and

533
00:27:42,400 --> 00:27:45,560
Speaker 1: I can't be at home. But hey, effort and attitude.

534
00:27:45,640 --> 00:27:50,119
Speaker 1: You can't teach that. The skills will come. Absolutely absolutely

535
00:27:50,119 --> 00:27:53,919
Speaker 1: so this uh so, it was an opportunity. You know,

536
00:27:53,960 --> 00:27:57,840
Speaker 1: it's mostly the entire ownership group is women. And then

537
00:27:58,760 --> 00:28:02,920
Speaker 1: I was connected with Jessica Berman, who was the commission

538
00:28:02,960 --> 00:28:05,879
Speaker 1: League is a dear friend from years ago. Connected me

539
00:28:05,920 --> 00:28:07,960
Speaker 1: with Jessica Gellman. I don't know if you remember Jessica

540
00:28:08,000 --> 00:28:09,960
Speaker 1: who was with the with us at the Patriots beginning

541
00:28:09,960 --> 00:28:13,199
Speaker 1: in two thousand and two. Very involved in soccer anyway,

542
00:28:13,359 --> 00:28:16,679
Speaker 1: So I've always been My two sisters, two older sisters,

543
00:28:16,720 --> 00:28:21,760
Speaker 1: both played soccer, loved women's soccer and studs. I mean

544
00:28:21,800 --> 00:28:23,600
Speaker 1: I watched. I was just at these little like I

545
00:28:23,640 --> 00:28:26,359
Speaker 1: go to I'm talking about my daughter, but I go

546
00:28:26,400 --> 00:28:30,040
Speaker 1: and watch these little girls, and I put her on

547
00:28:30,080 --> 00:28:33,879
Speaker 1: this one team and just to see the developmental of

548
00:28:33,920 --> 00:28:36,560
Speaker 1: these little girls, reminding me of my like Pop Warner teams,

549
00:28:36,600 --> 00:28:39,360
Speaker 1: and these little girls are studs. I mean, they're better

550
00:28:39,400 --> 00:28:41,120
Speaker 1: than me. I can't control the ball like some of

551
00:28:41,160 --> 00:28:41,920
Speaker 1: these little girls.

552
00:28:42,520 --> 00:28:46,200
Speaker 2: And and the way they coach them, the way it's

553
00:28:46,320 --> 00:28:51,240
Speaker 2: teaching these little girls communication, it's teaching them, you know, accountability,

554
00:28:51,280 --> 00:28:52,640
Speaker 2: all the things I took from football.

555
00:28:52,640 --> 00:28:55,200
Speaker 1: I'm seeing, you know, what they're learning in.

556
00:28:55,160 --> 00:28:59,240
Speaker 2: Soccer, you know, they which is so pivotal for these

557
00:28:59,320 --> 00:29:03,120
Speaker 2: younger kids of this generation to play a team sport,

558
00:29:03,280 --> 00:29:06,240
Speaker 2: so you can learn amen, that you need to rely

559
00:29:06,320 --> 00:29:08,920
Speaker 2: on other people and if you don't do your job, yeah,

560
00:29:08,960 --> 00:29:11,200
Speaker 2: you're gonna be embarrassed by your teammates who are doing

561
00:29:11,240 --> 00:29:14,000
Speaker 2: their job. So like there's all these little things that

562
00:29:14,080 --> 00:29:17,960
Speaker 2: you get to experience in team sport. I love soccer

563
00:29:18,000 --> 00:29:21,400
Speaker 2: for girls, any sports.

564
00:29:20,480 --> 00:29:23,040
Speaker 1: Soccer, lacrosse. I'm all about the team sports. And again,

565
00:29:23,240 --> 00:29:25,520
Speaker 1: this is the thing, you know, growing up my sisters,

566
00:29:25,880 --> 00:29:30,120
Speaker 1: you know, they're mid late seventies, early eighties, Title nine

567
00:29:30,240 --> 00:29:32,440
Speaker 1: was a thing, but it wasn't really a thing. I mean,

568
00:29:32,480 --> 00:29:35,560
Speaker 1: it's still not what it's supposed to be. And why

569
00:29:35,600 --> 00:29:39,040
Speaker 1: shouldn't young girls have the same opportunities to play in

570
00:29:39,040 --> 00:29:41,800
Speaker 1: team sports, to be athletes, to do And this is

571
00:29:41,840 --> 00:29:43,840
Speaker 1: you know, it's part I'm on the women's Sports Foundation.

572
00:29:44,360 --> 00:29:48,160
Speaker 1: These are all things that I believe in. I've in

573
00:29:48,200 --> 00:29:51,360
Speaker 1: the couple of years ago with the Women's World Cup

574
00:29:51,400 --> 00:29:53,800
Speaker 1: that was in France. My wife, daughter and I were

575
00:29:53,840 --> 00:29:57,320
Speaker 1: over there. We were we lost, oh but we won.

576
00:29:57,680 --> 00:30:01,800
Speaker 1: We beat France in Paris, and my wife and daughter

577
00:30:01,800 --> 00:30:05,680
Speaker 1: and I are with that game. Dude. It was I

578
00:30:05,720 --> 00:30:10,280
Speaker 1: thought I loved soccer, and well women's soccer, and after

579
00:30:10,320 --> 00:30:13,360
Speaker 1: that it was it was next level, Matt. It was this.

580
00:30:13,760 --> 00:30:20,400
Speaker 1: It was the best non football experience, live sport experience

581
00:30:20,560 --> 00:30:21,200
Speaker 1: I've ever had.

582
00:30:21,320 --> 00:30:25,960
Speaker 2: I tier right now when I watch women's sports, it's

583
00:30:25,960 --> 00:30:29,200
Speaker 2: almost like they're more fundamentally sound and they stay within

584
00:30:29,240 --> 00:30:31,880
Speaker 2: the system and the scheme better than what men do.

585
00:30:32,520 --> 00:30:34,760
Speaker 1: I completely agree with it, you know what I mean.

586
00:30:34,840 --> 00:30:38,200
Speaker 1: Like there, it's it's if you want to install an

587
00:30:38,240 --> 00:30:40,720
Speaker 1: offense or something, you should just have women do it

588
00:30:40,760 --> 00:30:42,800
Speaker 1: because it's going to be exactly how it's supposed to

589
00:30:42,800 --> 00:30:46,040
Speaker 1: be ran and the fundamentals are always going to be

590
00:30:46,040 --> 00:30:49,360
Speaker 1: crazy strong. It's it's it's in basketball too. So we

591
00:30:49,360 --> 00:30:53,320
Speaker 1: were fortunate when we were in KC. Our daughter played

592
00:30:53,320 --> 00:30:55,960
Speaker 1: basketball at that point in time, and every year they

593
00:30:56,040 --> 00:30:59,040
Speaker 1: used to have the Big twelve championship, not in the

594
00:31:00,040 --> 00:31:02,320
Speaker 1: Sprint Center. They had it in the smaller the old

595
00:31:02,360 --> 00:31:05,520
Speaker 1: auditorium in Kansas City that they still have. It's all

596
00:31:05,640 --> 00:31:09,040
Speaker 1: art Decko. It's had more final fours than any any

597
00:31:09,040 --> 00:31:12,240
Speaker 1: facility in the history. And those were the Britney Grinder years. Yeah,

598
00:31:12,360 --> 00:31:14,960
Speaker 1: so we got Bailor up there and our daughter was

599
00:31:15,080 --> 00:31:20,320
Speaker 1: Duncan uh it was. But talk about fundamentals and Kim

600
00:31:20,360 --> 00:31:23,760
Speaker 1: Maulkey was the head coach of Baylor basketball all the time.

601
00:31:24,080 --> 00:31:29,120
Speaker 1: They're fundamentals. They're passing this. There's just space something different. Yeah,

602
00:31:29,320 --> 00:31:36,440
Speaker 1: they're not five steps that the girls. Listen, I'll get

603
00:31:36,440 --> 00:31:36,840
Speaker 1: this one.

604
00:31:37,160 --> 00:31:39,880
Speaker 2: You know, they try to bring in their athleticism. But

605
00:31:40,320 --> 00:31:44,400
Speaker 2: let's let's transition this to you were talking about training camps.

606
00:31:44,840 --> 00:31:47,280
Speaker 2: I saw you went to the Patriots training camp. Now,

607
00:31:48,160 --> 00:31:50,800
Speaker 2: what are your thoughts on draw Mayo. When you draft

608
00:31:50,880 --> 00:31:53,040
Speaker 2: you were part of drafting drive. That was my last

609
00:31:53,120 --> 00:31:56,840
Speaker 2: drift him, Gerd and Matthews to some of the best

610
00:31:57,240 --> 00:32:02,200
Speaker 2: football guys. I know that like locker room guys, leader guys. Now,

611
00:32:02,240 --> 00:32:04,680
Speaker 2: when you drafted a guy like Giraw, could you tell

612
00:32:04,720 --> 00:32:09,680
Speaker 2: that he had head coaching qualities or he had qualities?

613
00:32:09,720 --> 00:32:11,840
Speaker 1: But you're not thinking at that point in time. But

614
00:32:11,880 --> 00:32:15,040
Speaker 1: the qualities that he had in terms of his intelligence,

615
00:32:15,600 --> 00:32:19,280
Speaker 1: his vision, his work ethic, he had to learn some

616
00:32:19,360 --> 00:32:25,160
Speaker 1: new work habits, but his his communication, his ability to communicate.

617
00:32:25,760 --> 00:32:28,240
Speaker 1: He had a lot of the tools, the skills and

618
00:32:28,280 --> 00:32:31,160
Speaker 1: the qualities of someone that would you know, could become

619
00:32:31,360 --> 00:32:33,400
Speaker 1: a head coach that I think that. I don't think

620
00:32:33,400 --> 00:32:35,600
Speaker 1: anyone us we're thinking, you know, you know how it

621
00:32:35,640 --> 00:32:37,680
Speaker 1: is in that moment, you're thinking about, Hey, as long

622
00:32:37,720 --> 00:32:39,440
Speaker 1: as he can get the other ten guys lined up

623
00:32:39,440 --> 00:32:42,160
Speaker 1: on defense and communicate the coverage.

624
00:32:42,160 --> 00:32:45,320
Speaker 2: And that's what the middle linebacker does. And you know

625
00:32:45,360 --> 00:32:47,960
Speaker 2: a lot of our system those that's quarterback of of

626
00:32:48,120 --> 00:32:52,320
Speaker 2: the defense. So the communicating is probably key. And that's

627
00:32:52,360 --> 00:32:54,160
Speaker 2: what we've been hearing out of camp said. He's a

628
00:32:54,200 --> 00:32:57,840
Speaker 2: great communicator with you know, the players. He's got players perspective,

629
00:32:57,880 --> 00:32:59,840
Speaker 2: but he also has you know, a lot of the

630
00:32:59,840 --> 00:33:02,560
Speaker 2: influence of what he was in. So I think it's

631
00:33:02,600 --> 00:33:05,080
Speaker 2: gonna be awesome. What do you think about this Drake

632
00:33:05,120 --> 00:33:09,640
Speaker 2: may situation? So you know, my my take on it is,

633
00:33:10,400 --> 00:33:13,480
Speaker 2: if you don't have the right guys around him to

634
00:33:13,600 --> 00:33:19,560
Speaker 2: let him flourish, you know, unless he's significantly better than Jacobi,

635
00:33:20,000 --> 00:33:22,280
Speaker 2: which I don't know because I'm not in practice. I

636
00:33:22,280 --> 00:33:24,280
Speaker 2: can't see how he's calling Mike points. I can't see

637
00:33:24,280 --> 00:33:26,160
Speaker 2: how he's in the huddle. I can't see how he's

638
00:33:26,440 --> 00:33:29,440
Speaker 2: you know, digesting defenses that are harder than what they're

639
00:33:29,440 --> 00:33:30,560
Speaker 2: seeing in the preseason.

640
00:33:31,080 --> 00:33:34,760
Speaker 1: I can't see that. But once you put him in,

641
00:33:34,800 --> 00:33:39,080
Speaker 1: you can't pull him right exactly. So when he's you

642
00:33:39,160 --> 00:33:41,479
Speaker 1: better measure a hundred times and cut once when you

643
00:33:41,560 --> 00:33:44,000
Speaker 1: go to that point where he's going to go, because

644
00:33:44,080 --> 00:33:46,960
Speaker 1: then if you're pulling him and then it becomes a

645
00:33:47,000 --> 00:33:47,880
Speaker 1: mind screw, I know.

646
00:33:47,920 --> 00:33:51,719
Speaker 2: But then right now they get the media behind behind

647
00:33:51,840 --> 00:33:54,520
Speaker 2: him right now because the preseason he was thirteen or

648
00:33:54,560 --> 00:33:58,440
Speaker 2: ten for thirteen and you know, it's so maybe they

649
00:33:58,440 --> 00:33:59,080
Speaker 2: feel that rush.

650
00:33:59,120 --> 00:34:00,400
Speaker 3: It depends on how confident.

651
00:34:01,040 --> 00:34:04,920
Speaker 1: But Jules, again, what are the important things about One

652
00:34:04,920 --> 00:34:08,440
Speaker 1: of the most important things about the preseason is it's

653
00:34:08,480 --> 00:34:12,279
Speaker 1: a chance to evaluate players. When you evaluate players, you

654
00:34:12,320 --> 00:34:14,680
Speaker 1: always have to look at things that you're not seeing

655
00:34:14,880 --> 00:34:18,120
Speaker 1: as a fan views it. And that's I don't say

656
00:34:18,160 --> 00:34:20,640
Speaker 1: that to be offensive in any way. Did they get

657
00:34:20,680 --> 00:34:22,759
Speaker 1: the right play call, did they get the check or

658
00:34:22,760 --> 00:34:24,520
Speaker 1: miss the check at the line of scrimmage. Did they

659
00:34:24,520 --> 00:34:26,640
Speaker 1: know where the mic was as you were saying they

660
00:34:26,800 --> 00:34:29,520
Speaker 1: can they do it? Did they know that when there

661
00:34:29,600 --> 00:34:32,120
Speaker 1: was something different happening that they needed to check out

662
00:34:32,160 --> 00:34:34,360
Speaker 1: of the play that was called and go to another play.

663
00:34:34,520 --> 00:34:37,200
Speaker 1: There's all those little details that matter. Do they know

664
00:34:37,239 --> 00:34:39,920
Speaker 1: how to call the protection or to help change protection

665
00:34:40,560 --> 00:34:44,239
Speaker 1: in order to give themselves more time? And there's all

666
00:34:44,280 --> 00:34:48,160
Speaker 1: these little details that you know, can you call the

667
00:34:48,200 --> 00:34:51,360
Speaker 1: goddamn play exactly? I mean in a huddle, there's so

668
00:34:51,360 --> 00:34:54,520
Speaker 1: many quarterbacks coming in now and I'm not sounded like

669
00:34:54,560 --> 00:34:56,800
Speaker 1: this old guy, get off of my lawn, but there's

670
00:34:56,840 --> 00:34:59,239
Speaker 1: a lot of quarterbacks. They just hold up signs on

671
00:34:59,280 --> 00:35:02,520
Speaker 1: the sideline and everyone sees the play and everyone goes.

672
00:35:02,840 --> 00:35:04,440
Speaker 1: You do have to come in to a huddle and

673
00:35:04,480 --> 00:35:07,480
Speaker 1: talk to ten other dudes that are grown men, and

674
00:35:08,440 --> 00:35:10,920
Speaker 1: there's a lot going on out there, and it's under pressure.

675
00:35:11,040 --> 00:35:13,920
Speaker 1: It's not just how smart you know. The other thing

676
00:35:13,960 --> 00:35:16,799
Speaker 1: is when you're evaluating, you have to consider the competition.

677
00:35:17,400 --> 00:35:19,799
Speaker 1: So when he was in games, how good was the

678
00:35:19,840 --> 00:35:22,680
Speaker 1: competition that he was playing against? Because that has something

679
00:35:22,680 --> 00:35:25,520
Speaker 1: to do with your ability to make decisions.

680
00:35:25,719 --> 00:35:29,640
Speaker 2: And as you know vanilla vanilla looks and you're playing

681
00:35:29,680 --> 00:35:32,680
Speaker 2: against twos and threes. So there's he did what you

682
00:35:32,760 --> 00:35:35,680
Speaker 2: want him to do in the pre season. You need

683
00:35:35,719 --> 00:35:39,640
Speaker 2: to see execution ten for thirteen is that's what you

684
00:35:39,680 --> 00:35:43,520
Speaker 2: want to see from your young quarterback. But he's not

685
00:35:43,719 --> 00:35:48,400
Speaker 2: seeing a Will week safety, exotic blitz and exotic front.

686
00:35:48,920 --> 00:35:53,160
Speaker 2: He's seeing literally four guys down, you know, your regular

687
00:35:53,320 --> 00:35:58,319
Speaker 2: base fronts or your nickel fronts, which is it's completely

688
00:35:58,360 --> 00:36:01,279
Speaker 2: different than when a team is gonna sit there and

689
00:36:01,680 --> 00:36:05,680
Speaker 2: study everything that that kid hasn't seen, and they're gonna

690
00:36:05,680 --> 00:36:09,200
Speaker 2: throw the whole kitchen sink at them until they see

691
00:36:09,400 --> 00:36:10,719
Speaker 2: it's blocked, you know what I mean.

692
00:36:10,880 --> 00:36:13,400
Speaker 1: And they know you're kryptonite. No one's game planning in

693
00:36:13,480 --> 00:36:16,120
Speaker 1: preseason game no one's game, and you're gonna get game

694
00:36:16,160 --> 00:36:17,680
Speaker 1: planned against. And that's one of the big things. And

695
00:36:18,000 --> 00:36:21,160
Speaker 1: that's when that's when you look for people's kryptonite, then

696
00:36:21,160 --> 00:36:22,000
Speaker 1: you go after it.

697
00:36:22,120 --> 00:36:26,160
Speaker 2: I'm excited to see what this Polk and uh who Robinson?

698
00:36:26,160 --> 00:36:30,720
Speaker 2: Who's the other receiver or for the Pats Baker.

699
00:36:30,400 --> 00:36:34,440
Speaker 5: And John Baker from Central Florida and who Jalen Polk

700
00:36:34,440 --> 00:36:35,160
Speaker 5: at Washington.

701
00:36:35,560 --> 00:36:37,960
Speaker 2: I'm excited. They've been making some decent plays. I've heard

702
00:36:38,000 --> 00:36:40,000
Speaker 2: some good stuff going on on them. You just got

703
00:36:40,000 --> 00:36:42,440
Speaker 2: to find some people to throw them, throw the ball to.

704
00:36:42,760 --> 00:36:44,960
Speaker 1: And throw and him to throw the ball. This is

705
00:36:45,880 --> 00:36:48,200
Speaker 1: and you get this more than anybody when you're developing

706
00:36:48,239 --> 00:36:51,279
Speaker 1: a quarterback. And this game that we're gonna talk about

707
00:36:51,560 --> 00:36:53,680
Speaker 1: is all about these kind of things. Part of the

708
00:36:53,760 --> 00:36:56,960
Speaker 1: quarterbacks development is you know, you can't give him everything

709
00:36:56,960 --> 00:36:59,280
Speaker 1: and expecting me throwing down the field the whole time.

710
00:36:59,600 --> 00:37:02,600
Speaker 1: You know, Tommy had that one. You know, he had

711
00:37:02,600 --> 00:37:04,800
Speaker 1: a year plus three games to set the bench and

712
00:37:04,880 --> 00:37:07,040
Speaker 1: when we brought him in. You know, the whole thing

713
00:37:07,080 --> 00:37:09,440
Speaker 1: about Brady those first couple of years. Abody can't throw

714
00:37:09,480 --> 00:37:12,000
Speaker 1: the deep ball. Can't throw the deep We didn't ask

715
00:37:12,080 --> 00:37:16,480
Speaker 1: him to. Charlie Weiss's play calling becomes a critical part

716
00:37:17,040 --> 00:37:20,960
Speaker 1: of player development. Tommy was doing everything short and sideways.

717
00:37:21,120 --> 00:37:23,520
Speaker 1: The number of screens we ran, Charlie Weiss was one

718
00:37:23,520 --> 00:37:26,959
Speaker 1: of the best screen coaches I've ever been around. Sidewalk

719
00:37:26,760 --> 00:37:33,200
Speaker 1: thank you, Yes, unbelievable. And Tommy the number of short

720
00:37:33,320 --> 00:37:37,320
Speaker 1: sideways underneath his use of the slot, his use of

721
00:37:37,400 --> 00:37:40,520
Speaker 1: the tight end, his use of the back we're gonna

722
00:37:40,520 --> 00:37:41,840
Speaker 1: see it here later. Yeah, he.

723
00:37:43,440 --> 00:37:45,600
Speaker 2: Takes what he gives you. I mean, if you got

724
00:37:45,640 --> 00:37:47,640
Speaker 2: an open guy, give you a look past. He just

725
00:37:47,640 --> 00:37:50,360
Speaker 2: wants to keep the offense moving forward, especially at this

726
00:37:50,440 --> 00:37:53,080
Speaker 2: point of his career. You know, we'll be right back

727
00:37:53,120 --> 00:38:01,879
Speaker 2: after this quick break. Let's jump back into time. Let's

728
00:38:01,960 --> 00:38:06,520
Speaker 2: go back to January nineteenth, two thousand and two. That's

729
00:38:06,520 --> 00:38:08,640
Speaker 2: when this game took place. Two thousand and one season.

730
00:38:08,680 --> 00:38:11,040
Speaker 2: But two thousand and two. That always messes me up.

731
00:38:11,400 --> 00:38:15,719
Speaker 6: Ohays time and then college football doesn't do it like

732
00:38:15,760 --> 00:38:18,319
Speaker 6: college football, like the bowl games or the year that's

733
00:38:18,320 --> 00:38:18,680
Speaker 6: played in.

734
00:38:18,719 --> 00:38:20,480
Speaker 1: Even though it's not that I know it's a mess,

735
00:38:20,320 --> 00:38:23,080
Speaker 1: it's the stuff that keeps us up in Number one

736
00:38:23,080 --> 00:38:27,040
Speaker 1: movie was a beautiful mind, great movie, great John Nashby. Yeah,

737
00:38:27,040 --> 00:38:27,800
Speaker 1: that was a great movie.

738
00:38:27,800 --> 00:38:30,480
Speaker 2: You got a bad bye, Ussher was the number one

739
00:38:30,600 --> 00:38:35,040
Speaker 2: song Orange County, the OC Jack Black or the movie

740
00:38:35,160 --> 00:38:38,840
Speaker 2: movie with Hanks' son, Not the Chet one, not Chet Not.

741
00:38:40,160 --> 00:38:45,040
Speaker 1: How high m are you eminem fan? Yes? Oh yeah,

742
00:38:45,160 --> 00:38:48,400
Speaker 1: but here here's the thing of the movies and TV shows.

743
00:38:49,480 --> 00:38:52,799
Speaker 1: Forget it. I went through like a thirty year peer,

744
00:38:52,920 --> 00:38:56,279
Speaker 1: twenty year Piero movies, my family clowns me about it. Oh,

745
00:38:56,360 --> 00:38:58,799
Speaker 1: you know, I got done, and you know, people say,

746
00:38:58,800 --> 00:39:00,880
Speaker 1: what was your you know your favorite I'm like, ash

747
00:39:01,000 --> 00:39:06,480
Speaker 1: was a good show. I remember happy days. Yeah. It's

748
00:39:06,480 --> 00:39:10,200
Speaker 1: because like once I started this business, like I when

749
00:39:10,200 --> 00:39:13,160
Speaker 1: I got done, I've watched like Seinfeld and all these

750
00:39:13,520 --> 00:39:16,040
Speaker 1: That was a funny show. I didn't see anything like

751
00:39:16,120 --> 00:39:20,040
Speaker 1: twenty twenty. I mean there was a funny show A

752
00:39:20,040 --> 00:39:23,080
Speaker 1: football guy. Yeah. Music I was always on top of

753
00:39:23,080 --> 00:39:26,359
Speaker 1: because the players always had what was current, right that

754
00:39:26,360 --> 00:39:28,160
Speaker 1: that's one thing you're always up on the music.

755
00:39:28,320 --> 00:39:31,920
Speaker 6: Music there saying he used to run the playlist for practice.

756
00:39:31,960 --> 00:39:32,440
Speaker 6: Is that true?

757
00:39:32,719 --> 00:39:36,879
Speaker 1: Yeah, there's oh yeah, but again, remember when I was there,

758
00:39:36,960 --> 00:39:40,840
Speaker 1: we were that that was pre playing music in practice. Yeah.

759
00:39:40,960 --> 00:39:44,160
Speaker 1: That came later on. Yeah yeah, I'm old man.

760
00:39:44,280 --> 00:39:45,799
Speaker 5: That must have been a while day. The first day

761
00:39:45,880 --> 00:39:47,040
Speaker 5: music got introduced at practice.

762
00:39:47,080 --> 00:39:48,879
Speaker 1: I was there. It was always there. It'd be loud

763
00:39:48,920 --> 00:39:52,760
Speaker 1: as fuck, you couldn't hear anything. Maybe right, that started

764
00:39:52,800 --> 00:39:54,799
Speaker 1: happened right when I was because my last year was

765
00:39:54,840 --> 00:39:57,840
Speaker 1: the eight season, and you came in O nine and

766
00:39:58,160 --> 00:40:00,960
Speaker 1: nine and that was my first year Kansas City. Yeah,

767
00:40:01,200 --> 00:40:04,200
Speaker 1: but I remember, I'm gonna say this so I was

768
00:40:04,239 --> 00:40:07,279
Speaker 1: there for the December draft meetings. Yeah, because I was

769
00:40:07,320 --> 00:40:09,800
Speaker 1: running the December draft meetings and there's no coaches involved

770
00:40:09,800 --> 00:40:12,279
Speaker 1: in and the scouts are all coming in and were

771
00:40:12,280 --> 00:40:15,400
Speaker 1: put and there was a scout that talked about this

772
00:40:15,560 --> 00:40:21,640
Speaker 1: quarterback from Kent State. And again, I know there's I've

773
00:40:21,680 --> 00:40:24,440
Speaker 1: heard some stories, but I know when the name was

774
00:40:24,480 --> 00:40:28,080
Speaker 1: brought up in Patriots draft meetings. Jim Naggy, who is

775
00:40:28,120 --> 00:40:31,920
Speaker 1: the executive director of the Senior Bowl, brought your name up.

776
00:40:32,040 --> 00:40:36,720
Speaker 1: I don't know what this guy is, but he's something, yeah,

777
00:40:37,280 --> 00:40:41,400
Speaker 1: talking about you, man, he's something, all right. No, No,

778
00:40:47,000 --> 00:40:49,680
Speaker 1: I remember that. You know that was Jim's aria. He

779
00:40:49,719 --> 00:40:50,840
Speaker 1: was our Midwest area scout.

780
00:40:51,120 --> 00:40:55,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't remember him, but uh yeah, I just

781
00:40:55,600 --> 00:40:58,640
Speaker 2: remember hiring my agent, Doan Ye the best.

782
00:40:58,840 --> 00:41:01,719
Speaker 1: He's the best. And I'm gonna tell you, I love

783
00:41:01,840 --> 00:41:04,720
Speaker 1: Don Ye. I love and respect Don Ye and Steve

784
00:41:04,800 --> 00:41:07,880
Speaker 1: Dubin as much as any agents in the industry.

785
00:41:07,920 --> 00:41:11,600
Speaker 2: They're straight shooters and they just let you do what

786
00:41:11,640 --> 00:41:14,400
Speaker 2: you're gonna do, and then they're not going to force anything.

787
00:41:14,400 --> 00:41:17,960
Speaker 1: They're gonna and and and they want They know their

788
00:41:17,960 --> 00:41:19,719
Speaker 1: players and they know what their players want. They know

789
00:41:19,760 --> 00:41:22,399
Speaker 1: what's important to their players. And it's funny because Don

790
00:41:22,440 --> 00:41:26,879
Speaker 1: and I had some interesting and some complicated conversations sometimes

791
00:41:27,160 --> 00:41:30,040
Speaker 1: because Brady, we'll talk about Brady's deal because I didn't

792
00:41:30,080 --> 00:41:33,480
Speaker 1: get to do your deals. So Brady's first deal was,

793
00:41:33,520 --> 00:41:38,319
Speaker 1: you know, the rookie contract. And I'll say this, Unfortunately,

794
00:41:38,360 --> 00:41:41,440
Speaker 1: we were doing business at that point in time, not

795
00:41:41,600 --> 00:41:46,120
Speaker 1: thinking long term and relationships. It was a very bottom

796
00:41:46,160 --> 00:41:48,080
Speaker 1: line way of doing things, and it was something Bill

797
00:41:48,080 --> 00:41:52,920
Speaker 1: and I weren't comfortable with. And and we so Tommy's

798
00:41:52,960 --> 00:41:55,880
Speaker 1: first deal he got lesson he should have for his slot.

799
00:41:56,200 --> 00:41:58,520
Speaker 1: There wasn't slotting back then, but everyone knew what the

800
00:41:58,560 --> 00:42:02,440
Speaker 1: slot wasn't called the lot, and we broke his shoes

801
00:42:02,480 --> 00:42:06,560
Speaker 1: a little bit. Unfortunately, the people that were doing the

802
00:42:06,560 --> 00:42:09,279
Speaker 1: contracts at that time. And then when it came time

803
00:42:09,360 --> 00:42:12,080
Speaker 1: for Tommy's next deal, I was doing the next deal

804
00:42:12,080 --> 00:42:14,799
Speaker 1: and then the next deal. And I'll never forget we

805
00:42:14,800 --> 00:42:16,360
Speaker 1: were at this one point in time. I think it

806
00:42:16,400 --> 00:42:20,560
Speaker 1: was maybe Tommy's third deal, it might have been, and

807
00:42:20,640 --> 00:42:24,160
Speaker 1: Don and I weren't making progress, and we were trying

808
00:42:24,160 --> 00:42:25,960
Speaker 1: to keep the team together, right, that was part of

809
00:42:26,000 --> 00:42:29,839
Speaker 1: our thing. We didn't expect people to take home team discounts.

810
00:42:30,000 --> 00:42:33,080
Speaker 1: We were hopeful that people would want to spread it

811
00:42:33,120 --> 00:42:35,520
Speaker 1: and keep the winning because we felt, you know, high

812
00:42:35,560 --> 00:42:38,600
Speaker 1: tides raised all boats, and the more that we won,

813
00:42:39,000 --> 00:42:43,000
Speaker 1: there was all these other opportunities, marketing, et cetera, et cetera.

814
00:42:43,520 --> 00:42:46,400
Speaker 1: And I'll never forget Don and I couldn't get anywhere,

815
00:42:46,400 --> 00:42:48,640
Speaker 1: and Tommy was getting annoyed because he was getting distracted,

816
00:42:48,800 --> 00:42:51,080
Speaker 1: not annoyed with anyone. He just wanted to think about ball.

817
00:42:51,480 --> 00:42:53,680
Speaker 1: And I'll never forget. One morning he comes up to

818
00:42:53,680 --> 00:42:56,319
Speaker 1: my office and he knocks, and he comes in and

819
00:42:56,360 --> 00:42:58,319
Speaker 1: he closes the door and he says, hey, can we

820
00:42:58,320 --> 00:43:01,360
Speaker 1: talk about this contract. I'm like, Tommy, we can't have

821
00:43:01,400 --> 00:43:04,319
Speaker 1: a negotiation. That's against the rules. We're not allowed. Hey listen.

822
00:43:04,360 --> 00:43:05,960
Speaker 1: We got to talk. But he and I had a

823
00:43:06,000 --> 00:43:09,960
Speaker 1: really good and close relationship. And he said, where are

824
00:43:09,960 --> 00:43:12,520
Speaker 1: you guys at? So I told him where we were at,

825
00:43:12,760 --> 00:43:14,920
Speaker 1: told him where you guys are at? And he says,

826
00:43:15,440 --> 00:43:18,640
Speaker 1: what's the drop dead number? Tommy, we can't have this conversation.

827
00:43:18,920 --> 00:43:21,239
Speaker 1: I got to talk to Don about this, and I'll

828
00:43:21,239 --> 00:43:23,759
Speaker 1: never forget. It was the deal when he signed, It

829
00:43:23,800 --> 00:43:25,279
Speaker 1: was the I want to say, it was the six year,

830
00:43:25,400 --> 00:43:28,560
Speaker 1: ten million a year deal. Think about that, six years,

831
00:43:28,600 --> 00:43:32,839
Speaker 1: sixty mill. It was like, and I'll never forget. I said,

832
00:43:33,040 --> 00:43:36,919
Speaker 1: that's probably our our choke point. But we're playing this game, Don,

833
00:43:36,960 --> 00:43:39,400
Speaker 1: and I that it's not a game. I shouldn't call

834
00:43:39,400 --> 00:43:41,839
Speaker 1: it that we're having this negotiation where one team's low,

835
00:43:42,000 --> 00:43:44,000
Speaker 1: one side's low, one team's high, and you're trying to

836
00:43:44,040 --> 00:43:47,399
Speaker 1: find the middle spot. And I'll never forget. Tommy looks

837
00:43:47,440 --> 00:43:51,160
Speaker 1: at me, shakes his head, looks away. He goes, if

838
00:43:51,200 --> 00:43:54,440
Speaker 1: I can't live the rest of my life over sixty

839
00:43:54,480 --> 00:44:00,239
Speaker 1: million dollars and my family, he says, I've got problems, like,

840
00:44:00,280 --> 00:44:03,920
Speaker 1: get Don on the phone, like, Tom, we can't, we can't,

841
00:44:04,000 --> 00:44:05,960
Speaker 1: we can't do this. He is, get him on the phone.

842
00:44:06,480 --> 00:44:09,240
Speaker 1: We got on the phone and put it on speaker

843
00:44:09,920 --> 00:44:13,399
Speaker 1: and Tommy goes, hey, Don, it's tom. He goes, hey,

844
00:44:13,440 --> 00:44:16,000
Speaker 1: how you doing today? He goes and you know, Don's

845
00:44:16,000 --> 00:44:18,920
Speaker 1: all up beat and he goes, I got you on speakerphone.

846
00:44:18,920 --> 00:44:23,920
Speaker 1: I'm in Scott's office. Dead silence, dead silence because and

847
00:44:23,960 --> 00:44:27,239
Speaker 1: Don's like, what are you doing there? He's like, Don, listen, man,

848
00:44:27,320 --> 00:44:30,400
Speaker 1: this is ridiculous. He says, I'm talking to Scott and

849
00:44:30,719 --> 00:44:34,000
Speaker 1: I'm like sweating because it wasn't a negotiation, he was

850
00:44:34,040 --> 00:44:37,800
Speaker 1: just asking. And anyway, tom He's like, listen, you guys,

851
00:44:37,920 --> 00:44:41,520
Speaker 1: just get this done. And I go, I'm bringing this

852
00:44:41,520 --> 00:44:44,200
Speaker 1: story up because I go back to Don. Don and

853
00:44:44,280 --> 00:44:48,719
Speaker 1: Steve could have made so much more money. Yeah, if

854
00:44:48,760 --> 00:44:52,759
Speaker 1: they didn't do what their client wanted. And tom you know,

855
00:44:52,880 --> 00:44:56,120
Speaker 1: Don and Steve have left money on the table year

856
00:44:56,160 --> 00:44:59,120
Speaker 1: after year after year after year by doing what their

857
00:44:59,160 --> 00:45:02,640
Speaker 1: clients wanted and maybe not trying to talk their clients

858
00:45:02,680 --> 00:45:06,080
Speaker 1: into something that would pay them greater three percent. Anyway,

859
00:45:06,160 --> 00:45:07,719
Speaker 1: I don't mean to make that a long story, but

860
00:45:07,760 --> 00:45:10,000
Speaker 1: it's just I think the world of Don Ye.

861
00:45:09,960 --> 00:45:14,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, Donye's we call them the dragon, bro. He just calm,

862
00:45:14,239 --> 00:45:19,799
Speaker 2: cool and collect the dragon. You can't call him that.

863
00:45:19,800 --> 00:45:22,480
Speaker 1: That's what Tommy. That's what Tommy told me to call

864
00:45:22,520 --> 00:45:25,120
Speaker 1: and I wasn't gonna go there. There's only only a

865
00:45:25,160 --> 00:45:27,640
Speaker 1: select few that can call them dragon. It's like in Step.

866
00:45:27,400 --> 00:45:29,640
Speaker 5: Brothers when they meet each other the first time.

867
00:45:29,640 --> 00:45:33,560
Speaker 1: Remember that day. He's like, go me dragon, great movie?

868
00:45:33,800 --> 00:45:35,200
Speaker 1: He great movie?

869
00:45:35,320 --> 00:45:37,560
Speaker 6: You watch that time? Did you watch that last week?

870
00:45:38,600 --> 00:45:41,279
Speaker 1: Let's get back in this sports world two thousand and one,

871
00:45:41,320 --> 00:45:43,120
Speaker 1: two thousand and two Super Bowl champs.

872
00:45:43,160 --> 00:45:45,480
Speaker 2: Patriots go on do it after this? That was a

873
00:45:45,480 --> 00:45:50,640
Speaker 2: good one. Kurt Warner, NFL MVP. Man from grocery bagger

874
00:45:50,680 --> 00:45:51,280
Speaker 2: to MVP.

875
00:45:51,640 --> 00:45:56,360
Speaker 1: How about that? That was crazy? National champions were the

876
00:45:56,400 --> 00:46:03,359
Speaker 1: Miami Hurricanes? Was that? Ken Dorsey at those I used

877
00:46:03,400 --> 00:46:04,400
Speaker 1: to love those teams?

878
00:46:04,400 --> 00:46:08,480
Speaker 2: Heisman Trophy winner Eric kout Crouch out of Nebraska. How

879
00:46:08,520 --> 00:46:11,240
Speaker 2: about that Winter Olympics were in Salt Lake City?

880
00:46:12,280 --> 00:46:16,040
Speaker 1: My Olympics that year? Yeah? What I mean? Yeah? Yeah,

881
00:46:16,800 --> 00:46:19,880
Speaker 1: that's all the Olympics this year. But the Olympics have

882
00:46:19,960 --> 00:46:22,800
Speaker 1: gotten I think the ratings of the Olympics have gotten

883
00:46:23,360 --> 00:46:23,960
Speaker 1: a lot better.

884
00:46:24,040 --> 00:46:25,680
Speaker 6: Social media helps it a lot.

885
00:46:25,600 --> 00:46:27,880
Speaker 2: Way more because you can only watch it on one network.

886
00:46:28,320 --> 00:46:32,240
Speaker 2: Michael Vick was drafted over one overall. Patriots drafted Richard

887
00:46:32,360 --> 00:46:35,480
Speaker 2: Seymour Hall of Famer Richard.

888
00:46:36,200 --> 00:46:39,640
Speaker 1: Do you know who he drafted right after Richard? Matt Light?

889
00:46:40,400 --> 00:46:43,839
Speaker 1: Another than round a steal?

890
00:46:43,120 --> 00:46:45,200
Speaker 6: What's he's stealing from you?

891
00:46:45,400 --> 00:46:47,359
Speaker 1: Do you know what he's stolen from you? Does het

892
00:46:47,520 --> 00:46:48,080
Speaker 1: anything from you?

893
00:46:48,480 --> 00:46:50,920
Speaker 6: We're still trying to find you.

894
00:46:50,920 --> 00:46:55,120
Speaker 1: Got any Matt Lights stories? Oh my gosh, oh my god.

895
00:46:55,200 --> 00:46:58,239
Speaker 1: She called me one time with his voice throw thing

896
00:46:58,760 --> 00:47:01,200
Speaker 1: from the Pro Bowl wait voice thing so where he

897
00:47:01,200 --> 00:47:05,120
Speaker 1: could like change his boy and left me a message

898
00:47:06,480 --> 00:47:12,759
Speaker 1: Belichick just like he's such a tool sometime. But I'll

899
00:47:12,760 --> 00:47:15,200
Speaker 1: tell you so, No, I'll tell you what. So I

900
00:47:15,239 --> 00:47:20,280
Speaker 1: saw both Seymour, saw him play live at the University

901
00:47:20,280 --> 00:47:22,400
Speaker 1: of Kentucky the day before. I want to say, we

902
00:47:22,400 --> 00:47:24,480
Speaker 1: were playing in Indianapolis that weekend. So that was one

903
00:47:24,520 --> 00:47:26,399
Speaker 1: of my things when we had road games. I would

904
00:47:26,400 --> 00:47:28,560
Speaker 1: always try to go out and do a live game

905
00:47:28,719 --> 00:47:31,480
Speaker 1: the day before, get into the hotel team meeting at

906
00:47:31,480 --> 00:47:36,480
Speaker 1: the night. Saw Seymour and Stroud was the other guy.

907
00:47:36,520 --> 00:47:38,359
Speaker 1: They were coming out the same year. They were both

908
00:47:38,360 --> 00:47:41,160
Speaker 1: first round picks. Richard Seymour. When I saw him in

909
00:47:41,200 --> 00:47:44,200
Speaker 1: person down on the field in pregame, he would do

910
00:47:44,280 --> 00:47:47,080
Speaker 1: this thing after they did the one on ones and

911
00:47:47,080 --> 00:47:51,320
Speaker 1: all their stuff, he would go by himself against the uprights,

912
00:47:51,840 --> 00:47:54,880
Speaker 1: the the goalpost and the padded part and do the

913
00:47:55,040 --> 00:47:58,000
Speaker 1: swat swim thing on it and swat rip. You know.

914
00:47:58,000 --> 00:48:04,080
Speaker 1: I learned from Steve Belichick, Bill's dad, the original Steve Beliche,

915
00:48:05,040 --> 00:48:06,960
Speaker 1: about one of the things in scouty you have to

916
00:48:07,040 --> 00:48:11,000
Speaker 1: use your eyes and your ears and it was teaching

917
00:48:11,000 --> 00:48:14,279
Speaker 1: me how to listen to hear hunters and quarterbacks. You

918
00:48:14,280 --> 00:48:17,359
Speaker 1: could hear the ball, leave their fingertips, stand behind and

919
00:48:17,400 --> 00:48:20,000
Speaker 1: be silent, close your eyes. Puntered, you could hear punters

920
00:48:20,040 --> 00:48:22,960
Speaker 1: and kickers hit the ball. One of the other things

921
00:48:23,080 --> 00:48:25,560
Speaker 1: and in doing that I learned was sometimes you can

922
00:48:25,600 --> 00:48:28,799
Speaker 1: hear explosion. And yeah, they had all these devices that

923
00:48:28,840 --> 00:48:33,080
Speaker 1: measure when when Richard Seymour hit that padded upright, it

924
00:48:33,120 --> 00:48:37,080
Speaker 1: was a sound like a good golf hit or a

925
00:48:37,120 --> 00:48:39,279
Speaker 1: good baseball hit. It was like the sound. I was like,

926
00:48:39,320 --> 00:48:42,319
Speaker 1: oh my gosh. And then I saw I was out

927
00:48:42,320 --> 00:48:46,360
Speaker 1: at Purdue. They're Matt Light for a practice. Drew Brees

928
00:48:46,400 --> 00:48:48,120
Speaker 1: was a quarterback and went to the Rose Bowl.

929
00:48:48,760 --> 00:48:54,080
Speaker 2: Matt Light was I mean energy man energy, but Matt

930
00:48:54,160 --> 00:48:59,120
Speaker 2: Light for his position was like really undersized and to

931
00:48:59,760 --> 00:49:02,560
Speaker 2: have the career he had, like he's a big man,

932
00:49:02,640 --> 00:49:05,840
Speaker 2: don't get me wrong, but he was short for a tackle.

933
00:49:06,320 --> 00:49:08,520
Speaker 2: To have that, you had to be like a technician

934
00:49:08,560 --> 00:49:11,719
Speaker 2: with your fundamentals. And that's what Matt Lighte was and.

935
00:49:11,680 --> 00:49:14,880
Speaker 1: People didn't people had him be that said that he

936
00:49:14,920 --> 00:49:16,759
Speaker 1: was going to be a guard in the Yeah, he

937
00:49:16,800 --> 00:49:19,359
Speaker 1: could play tackle because here's the thing. He was so

938
00:49:19,440 --> 00:49:22,279
Speaker 1: smart smart. It's like anything, right, if you have some

939
00:49:22,320 --> 00:49:25,440
Speaker 1: physical limitations, you find other ways you figure it out,

940
00:49:26,160 --> 00:49:29,279
Speaker 1: whether it's you know, and he height wise, he was

941
00:49:29,600 --> 00:49:33,960
Speaker 1: shorter than the norm. Length wise, shorter than the norm.

942
00:49:34,480 --> 00:49:36,839
Speaker 1: People are like, oh, they're gonna get the edge on him.

943
00:49:37,000 --> 00:49:39,279
Speaker 1: But he was so smart, he was so good. Were

944
00:49:39,320 --> 00:49:41,279
Speaker 1: there times he was on the edge. But he was

945
00:49:41,280 --> 00:49:43,800
Speaker 1: a heck of a football. He was one of the best.

946
00:49:43,960 --> 00:49:46,440
Speaker 1: But here's the other thing about the whole Patriot thing

947
00:49:46,440 --> 00:49:49,160
Speaker 1: that people don't understand. When you have players with limitations,

948
00:49:49,600 --> 00:49:53,520
Speaker 1: that's where great coaching comes in. And and and yes,

949
00:49:53,600 --> 00:49:57,520
Speaker 1: Bill's i will say, the greatest coach of all time,

950
00:49:57,560 --> 00:50:01,200
Speaker 1: head coach of all time, but Charlie weis ante scarnecks

951
00:50:01,600 --> 00:50:05,200
Speaker 1: those and you know, in terms of protection and knowing

952
00:50:05,239 --> 00:50:08,440
Speaker 1: who and when to protect based on matchups and situations

953
00:50:08,440 --> 00:50:11,359
Speaker 1: and circumstances, and then having a quarterback that knows how

954
00:50:11,360 --> 00:50:15,240
Speaker 1: to figure that stuff out and and when and who slide,

955
00:50:15,280 --> 00:50:17,520
Speaker 1: when to chip, when you keep the tight end, and

956
00:50:17,560 --> 00:50:20,440
Speaker 1: having those things helped matt Light become a better player.

957
00:50:20,760 --> 00:50:24,000
Speaker 1: That being said, without matt Light, we can't do what

958
00:50:24,040 --> 00:50:28,839
Speaker 1: we did. Terrific player. Anyway, we got him that year too.

959
00:50:29,120 --> 00:50:31,480
Speaker 6: So Matt lighte told us a story about when he

960
00:50:31,560 --> 00:50:34,799
Speaker 6: was drafted. I'd love to hear your your side of that.

961
00:50:35,440 --> 00:50:41,520
Speaker 1: It was how we screwed the Jets epic. I mean here,

962
00:50:41,640 --> 00:50:44,000
Speaker 1: it never gets all beaten the Jets, right, never never,

963
00:50:44,360 --> 00:50:46,640
Speaker 1: So here's what happens. So I just got a deal

964
00:50:46,680 --> 00:50:48,480
Speaker 1: taking off the table to go to a Jets game

965
00:50:48,520 --> 00:50:51,439
Speaker 1: because the Jets didn't want me there. No way, it's

966
00:50:51,480 --> 00:50:54,520
Speaker 1: better that way. A little nightmare. It was some company.

967
00:50:54,560 --> 00:50:57,160
Speaker 1: I was gonna do something, go to the New York

968
00:50:57,200 --> 00:50:58,440
Speaker 1: hates me. I went.

969
00:50:58,520 --> 00:50:59,759
Speaker 2: I tried to go to I tried to go to

970
00:50:59,760 --> 00:51:02,080
Speaker 2: a game once and I got some floor seats.

971
00:51:02,840 --> 00:51:06,000
Speaker 5: What's his name, Dolan Dolan Nolan or Dolan James Dolan.

972
00:51:06,160 --> 00:51:10,960
Speaker 1: James Dolan heard and took him away. What because the

973
00:51:10,960 --> 00:51:12,440
Speaker 1: Celtics are coming in town.

974
00:51:12,640 --> 00:51:15,680
Speaker 2: There's some ship we'll get back to Matt Light draft day.

975
00:51:16,000 --> 00:51:20,080
Speaker 1: Draft that's that's dirty, you know, I just marked that here. Yeah,

976
00:51:20,239 --> 00:51:20,960
Speaker 1: he's dead to me.

977
00:51:24,120 --> 00:51:27,560
Speaker 2: It's a tribe man, right, family, it's a fuck do

978
00:51:27,600 --> 00:51:30,160
Speaker 2: that to the evil empire the So.

979
00:51:30,160 --> 00:51:33,520
Speaker 1: Matt Light so we are, we're loving Matt Light and

980
00:51:33,640 --> 00:51:35,600
Speaker 1: We're thinking, now we can get him in the second round,

981
00:51:35,600 --> 00:51:37,440
Speaker 1: and we need a left tackle at this point in time, right,

982
00:51:38,120 --> 00:51:43,120
Speaker 1: So we've kind of got him targeted, and we are

983
00:51:43,719 --> 00:51:46,120
Speaker 1: again this is where I trying to remember the numbers,

984
00:51:46,120 --> 00:51:49,920
Speaker 1: exactly fifty one, two three in and around there and

985
00:51:50,480 --> 00:51:55,040
Speaker 1: for fifty and we're the Jets are picking right before us,

986
00:51:55,080 --> 00:51:58,520
Speaker 1: the pick right before us, and about three or four

987
00:51:58,640 --> 00:52:04,120
Speaker 1: picks before. You know, we had this thing where part

988
00:52:04,120 --> 00:52:05,680
Speaker 1: of the strategy, you know, you always talk about the

989
00:52:05,719 --> 00:52:08,719
Speaker 1: evaluation process. Then there's a strategy, then there's the execution.

990
00:52:09,400 --> 00:52:10,680
Speaker 1: So one of the things that we would do if

991
00:52:10,680 --> 00:52:12,920
Speaker 1: there was a player that we wanted and we were targeting,

992
00:52:13,520 --> 00:52:16,680
Speaker 1: we would call that player a couple of picks early

993
00:52:16,719 --> 00:52:19,120
Speaker 1: if he was still on the board. And you know,

994
00:52:19,160 --> 00:52:22,319
Speaker 1: so I picked up the phone, called Matt. I say, hey, Matt,

995
00:52:22,360 --> 00:52:24,400
Speaker 1: it's Poli. How you doing. I had known Matt because we,

996
00:52:24,960 --> 00:52:27,719
Speaker 1: you know, done a lot of preparations. You see his

997
00:52:27,760 --> 00:52:31,960
Speaker 1: phone voice changes change right there, and you got to

998
00:52:31,960 --> 00:52:33,719
Speaker 1: get you got to stay quiet as you want him

999
00:52:33,760 --> 00:52:36,200
Speaker 1: to be quiet because he's got people around, like, hey, Matt,

1000
00:52:36,280 --> 00:52:39,520
Speaker 1: this is Poli. I said, You're hear him from anybody,

1001
00:52:39,600 --> 00:52:42,200
Speaker 1: right now because you know, we're thinking, we love that

1002
00:52:42,239 --> 00:52:44,400
Speaker 1: you're in range. And he goes, oh yeah. As a

1003
00:52:44,440 --> 00:52:46,839
Speaker 1: matter of fact, it's back in the call waiting right

1004
00:52:46,880 --> 00:52:48,880
Speaker 1: because he says, I just had to click over, so

1005
00:52:49,360 --> 00:52:51,160
Speaker 1: you know it was you guys. I had to click over.

1006
00:52:51,400 --> 00:52:53,640
Speaker 1: I was on with the Jets. They're picking me when

1007
00:52:53,640 --> 00:52:56,360
Speaker 1: they come up, When are you guys picking? I said, Matt,

1008
00:52:56,400 --> 00:52:58,839
Speaker 1: here we go, hang up, but don't tell the Jets

1009
00:52:58,880 --> 00:53:01,480
Speaker 1: who just called them. Just say someone else just called in,

1010
00:53:01,640 --> 00:53:04,120
Speaker 1: wrong number, whatever. Don't tell the Jets that I just called.

1011
00:53:05,000 --> 00:53:07,280
Speaker 1: He said, okay, so just trust me on this one.

1012
00:53:07,800 --> 00:53:10,359
Speaker 1: He hangs up. I hang up. I look at Bill.

1013
00:53:10,680 --> 00:53:13,799
Speaker 1: I said. The Jets pick right before us. They have

1014
00:53:13,920 --> 00:53:16,080
Speaker 1: them on the phone. They're holding because that's who they're taking.

1015
00:53:16,160 --> 00:53:17,879
Speaker 1: So we got to move from I want to say,

1016
00:53:17,880 --> 00:53:21,719
Speaker 1: from fifty one to forty nine. So we're but I

1017
00:53:21,719 --> 00:53:23,920
Speaker 1: think it's at like forty six or forty seven on

1018
00:53:23,960 --> 00:53:27,000
Speaker 1: the pick. So we start calling everybody before that before

1019
00:53:27,040 --> 00:53:30,080
Speaker 1: the Jets pick, not not getting any action, not getting

1020
00:53:30,080 --> 00:53:33,520
Speaker 1: any action. Call my boy Matt Millen at the Lions,

1021
00:53:33,520 --> 00:53:38,120
Speaker 1: who's one pick ahead of the Jets, and said say, hey, Matt,

1022
00:53:38,280 --> 00:53:40,520
Speaker 1: we want to move up. He says, yeah, our guy

1023
00:53:40,680 --> 00:53:44,280
Speaker 1: just went, you know, give us a ham sandwich. We'll swat.

1024
00:53:44,280 --> 00:53:48,000
Speaker 1: It was. We were moving two spots. Sure enough. We

1025
00:53:48,040 --> 00:53:51,520
Speaker 1: make the trade right before, right as the Lions went

1026
00:53:51,680 --> 00:53:55,120
Speaker 1: on the clock, call Matt light. I said, Matt, they

1027
00:53:55,120 --> 00:53:58,000
Speaker 1: still got you on hold. He's like yeah, I said,

1028
00:53:58,000 --> 00:54:01,120
Speaker 1: well screw them. We just traded up your New England page.

1029
00:54:02,719 --> 00:54:05,439
Speaker 1: It was awesome number forty eight. Forty eight there, yeah,

1030
00:54:05,719 --> 00:54:08,280
Speaker 1: it was in that yeah, forty eight, Thank you geez.

1031
00:54:08,440 --> 00:54:11,880
Speaker 5: And the Jets took Lamont Jordan's Yeah, running back Maryland.

1032
00:54:13,040 --> 00:54:16,799
Speaker 1: I love the front office. That's front I had to

1033
00:54:16,800 --> 00:54:20,400
Speaker 1: take tenth grade math twice, right, but you give me

1034
00:54:20,400 --> 00:54:24,560
Speaker 1: a player, I'll give their hometown. That's love. And tenth

1035
00:54:24,600 --> 00:54:27,120
Speaker 1: grade math wasn't really math, man, that was geometry.

1036
00:54:27,480 --> 00:54:30,279
Speaker 2: I like the geometry until we got to you know,

1037
00:54:30,360 --> 00:54:32,800
Speaker 2: and until we got to proofs and stuff.

1038
00:54:32,840 --> 00:54:34,520
Speaker 1: That's when I was fucking struggling.

1039
00:54:34,920 --> 00:54:36,279
Speaker 3: Until when the numbers.

1040
00:54:36,520 --> 00:54:40,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's like pre Coch proof series. I was probably

1041
00:54:40,360 --> 00:54:42,839
Speaker 1: supposed to be taking that the second time I took geometry. Yeah,

1042
00:54:43,040 --> 00:54:45,920
Speaker 1: but I can manage a salary cap and I want

1043
00:54:45,920 --> 00:54:46,720
Speaker 1: to hear about that.

1044
00:54:46,840 --> 00:54:49,840
Speaker 2: We'll have to get into that XFL was founded in

1045
00:54:49,840 --> 00:54:52,400
Speaker 2: two thousand and one. Now, did you guys when you

1046
00:54:52,480 --> 00:54:55,320
Speaker 2: got when the XFL came, You're you're part of a player,

1047
00:54:55,360 --> 00:54:58,560
Speaker 2: You're you're the head of the player department, player personal department.

1048
00:54:59,120 --> 00:55:02,120
Speaker 2: Does do you do you guys assign a scout to

1049
00:55:02,239 --> 00:55:04,640
Speaker 2: look at these guys? Because I know we have regional

1050
00:55:04,640 --> 00:55:08,400
Speaker 2: scouts that take like this area, this area, that area

1051
00:55:08,480 --> 00:55:11,279
Speaker 2: for college when one of these new leagues comes in,

1052
00:55:11,800 --> 00:55:14,920
Speaker 2: like even right now with the USFL, are these teams

1053
00:55:14,960 --> 00:55:18,120
Speaker 2: having a department just or a guy dedicated to looking

1054
00:55:18,160 --> 00:55:20,120
Speaker 2: at these teams.

1055
00:55:19,400 --> 00:55:22,560
Speaker 1: Probably a couple of people. So again most of my

1056
00:55:22,719 --> 00:55:27,120
Speaker 1: I had some college scouting background, but my scouting background

1057
00:55:27,160 --> 00:55:29,360
Speaker 1: as I came up, starting off as a slappy with

1058
00:55:29,400 --> 00:55:32,680
Speaker 1: the Browns and then working my way up was primarily

1059
00:55:32,719 --> 00:55:33,480
Speaker 1: pro personnel.

1060
00:55:33,640 --> 00:55:37,080
Speaker 2: So in pro personnel, two different departments for the listener.

1061
00:55:37,160 --> 00:55:39,920
Speaker 2: Also there's pros. You have your pro scouts that are

1062
00:55:40,000 --> 00:55:43,239
Speaker 2: scouting everyone in the league. So like free agency, this

1063
00:55:43,280 --> 00:55:45,640
Speaker 2: guy gets cut, this guy, and then you have your

1064
00:55:45,800 --> 00:55:46,640
Speaker 2: college scouts.

1065
00:55:46,719 --> 00:55:48,759
Speaker 1: They do all the college guys right, and then within

1066
00:55:48,800 --> 00:55:51,280
Speaker 1: college you've got an area scout, you've got a regional scout,

1067
00:55:51,400 --> 00:55:56,000
Speaker 1: national scout. It's usually separated geographically, but in the pro

1068
00:55:56,040 --> 00:55:58,879
Speaker 1: personnel department again where I kind of cut my teeth.

1069
00:55:58,920 --> 00:56:02,640
Speaker 1: For the most part, we scouted the NFL and you

1070
00:56:02,680 --> 00:56:06,239
Speaker 1: had to do not only free agents, but you had

1071
00:56:06,239 --> 00:56:08,919
Speaker 1: to do the advanced scouting. So like during my time

1072
00:56:08,920 --> 00:56:12,280
Speaker 1: at the Jets, I was a one man pro personnel department.

1073
00:56:12,360 --> 00:56:15,080
Speaker 1: I did every advanced scout for three years. Always on

1074
00:56:15,200 --> 00:56:18,720
Speaker 1: what's an advanced scout? So you go and scout. Every

1075
00:56:18,760 --> 00:56:22,279
Speaker 1: team is allowed to go see the team that they're

1076
00:56:22,280 --> 00:56:24,000
Speaker 1: getting ready to play. So if we're playing the Bills

1077
00:56:24,000 --> 00:56:26,319
Speaker 1: next week, I can go see the Buffalo Bills, sit

1078
00:56:26,360 --> 00:56:29,000
Speaker 1: in the press box and watch the game and view

1079
00:56:29,040 --> 00:56:32,319
Speaker 1: the game one or two weeks before, but you can

1080
00:56:32,400 --> 00:56:35,360
Speaker 1: only go one time. So advanced scouting was when you

1081
00:56:35,360 --> 00:56:38,920
Speaker 1: would go see your future opponent. So you're doing the

1082
00:56:38,960 --> 00:56:41,279
Speaker 1: advanced scouting. So that was that was one of the

1083
00:56:41,320 --> 00:56:44,600
Speaker 1: ways that mine and Bill's relationship really grew at the

1084
00:56:45,080 --> 00:56:46,680
Speaker 1: New York Jets. So I was the pro director for

1085
00:56:46,719 --> 00:56:51,080
Speaker 1: three years. He was the defensive coordinator. Anyway, so we

1086
00:56:52,239 --> 00:56:56,360
Speaker 1: watch the CFL XFL. The other thing is, you know,

1087
00:56:56,360 --> 00:56:59,359
Speaker 1: you get the advanced scouting, so as a pro personnel guy.

1088
00:56:59,400 --> 00:57:02,600
Speaker 1: Which goes back to the time that that Parcel's mother

1089
00:57:02,680 --> 00:57:04,359
Speaker 1: after me and told me to just do my job.

1090
00:57:04,480 --> 00:57:06,440
Speaker 1: Was when he asked me a couple of questions about

1091
00:57:06,719 --> 00:57:09,040
Speaker 1: he wanted to know who the gunner was, the right

1092
00:57:09,080 --> 00:57:12,640
Speaker 1: gunner on the Detroit Lions, a team that we hadn't

1093
00:57:12,680 --> 00:57:15,480
Speaker 1: played that year, and I didn't know who it was,

1094
00:57:15,560 --> 00:57:17,280
Speaker 1: and he mother after me. He said, if you you know,

1095
00:57:17,880 --> 00:57:19,480
Speaker 1: why don't you just do your job, because if you

1096
00:57:19,480 --> 00:57:21,080
Speaker 1: were an expert in your job, you know who the

1097
00:57:21,160 --> 00:57:23,680
Speaker 1: right gunner. It's a bill. We didn't play the Detroit Lions,

1098
00:57:23,880 --> 00:57:27,680
Speaker 1: so that sounds like an excuse to me a whole anyway,

1099
00:57:28,160 --> 00:57:30,439
Speaker 1: So you need to know the league inside and out.

1100
00:57:31,320 --> 00:57:43,320
Speaker 1: So Lee's abuse was allowed. Yeah, so yeah, you're doing

1101
00:57:43,320 --> 00:57:47,760
Speaker 1: the leagues. You're doing every league and uh so that's

1102
00:57:47,760 --> 00:57:50,320
Speaker 1: a big part of it. Yeah, I mean it's who

1103
00:57:50,360 --> 00:57:54,920
Speaker 1: there's a quarterback. I'm sorry. So when you ask that questions,

1104
00:57:55,280 --> 00:57:59,400
Speaker 1: usually the pro personnel departments are understaffed. So the entry

1105
00:57:59,440 --> 00:58:01,360
Speaker 1: level scout. All right, I mentioned some of these guys.

1106
00:58:01,360 --> 00:58:05,400
Speaker 1: Brian Flores was one of those. Brian Farrens was Monte

1107
00:58:05,440 --> 00:58:09,920
Speaker 1: Austin for you know, Adam Peters all these young guys

1108
00:58:10,000 --> 00:58:12,880
Speaker 1: when they came in, Mike Disner, when they came in,

1109
00:58:13,080 --> 00:58:14,959
Speaker 1: part of their job was to do the college stuff

1110
00:58:14,960 --> 00:58:17,360
Speaker 1: that need to be done in house. But I would

1111
00:58:17,360 --> 00:58:20,760
Speaker 1: give them some of the other leagues to do that

1112
00:58:20,960 --> 00:58:24,000
Speaker 1: to kind of train them and help them and get

1113
00:58:24,040 --> 00:58:26,400
Speaker 1: them familiar with writing reports and what to look for

1114
00:58:26,480 --> 00:58:28,160
Speaker 1: and what to look for. So it was all hands

1115
00:58:28,160 --> 00:58:29,080
Speaker 1: on deck for these leagues.

1116
00:58:29,160 --> 00:58:34,360
Speaker 2: Now, yeah, it's it's crazy. You know, Uh, who's that quarterback.

1117
00:58:35,000 --> 00:58:37,400
Speaker 2: There's a quarterback that's a three right now. It just

1118
00:58:37,600 --> 00:58:43,040
Speaker 2: saw that came. He was the USFLA Martin Martinez. He's

1119
00:58:43,240 --> 00:58:45,640
Speaker 2: I mean, he's a backup on one of the teams

1120
00:58:45,680 --> 00:58:45,960
Speaker 2: right now.

1121
00:58:45,960 --> 00:58:49,080
Speaker 1: He's playing in the preseason. I want to say Martinez.

1122
00:58:49,400 --> 00:58:52,360
Speaker 6: But from the first round of XFL, we had Rod Smart, he.

1123
00:58:52,440 --> 00:58:58,120
Speaker 1: Robs Smart, he hate me Maddox with Tom Pinsburgh Sailors. Yeah,

1124
00:58:58,200 --> 00:59:01,520
Speaker 1: Tommy went. He was working backwards. Yeah yeah, yeah, he

1125
00:59:01,560 --> 00:59:04,600
Speaker 1: was going. He was flip flopping. Yeah, no, no, he.

1126
00:59:04,480 --> 00:59:07,480
Speaker 6: Was because he had an NFL and then then Slash

1127
00:59:07,520 --> 00:59:07,960
Speaker 6: got him.

1128
00:59:08,160 --> 00:59:10,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, but that was NFL Europe too, I mean that

1129
00:59:10,480 --> 00:59:13,600
Speaker 1: was you know what I almost wish NFL Europe was

1130
00:59:13,680 --> 00:59:15,840
Speaker 1: around when I was a player. Hey man, that's how

1131
00:59:15,880 --> 00:59:18,800
Speaker 1: we've That's that was where we got to evaluate Joe

1132
00:59:18,880 --> 00:59:20,160
Speaker 1: and Drusy. Yeah.

1133
00:59:20,280 --> 00:59:23,040
Speaker 2: If I would have had like my first two years

1134
00:59:23,200 --> 00:59:25,360
Speaker 2: in NFL Europe, I would have got I never been

1135
00:59:25,400 --> 00:59:27,200
Speaker 2: outside of the country at that point in my life.

1136
00:59:27,280 --> 00:59:28,760
Speaker 1: I was like, man, it would have been so cool

1137
00:59:28,760 --> 00:59:33,360
Speaker 1: to be in Frankfurt or somewhere played football. Let me

1138
00:59:33,400 --> 00:59:36,560
Speaker 1: ask you this, though, would the young Julian Edelman without

1139
00:59:36,600 --> 00:59:40,400
Speaker 1: the structure of the Patriots have been able to handle Yeah,

1140
00:59:40,600 --> 00:59:41,600
Speaker 1: because I wasn't there yet.

1141
00:59:41,680 --> 00:59:45,440
Speaker 2: I was a hungry guy and I was still hungry

1142
00:59:45,440 --> 00:59:47,600
Speaker 2: to make the prioritize.

1143
00:59:47,640 --> 00:59:50,720
Speaker 1: Yeah, I could prioritize that I was prioritizing. I mean

1144
00:59:50,760 --> 00:59:52,000
Speaker 1: I remember, you know.

1145
00:59:52,040 --> 00:59:56,439
Speaker 2: Right when I hired Don and Steve, I went into

1146
00:59:56,480 --> 00:59:59,640
Speaker 2: such a crazy, rigorous routine that was like my first

1147
00:59:59,680 --> 01:00:02,600
Speaker 2: time because I was a quarterback. I never really lifted weights.

1148
01:00:03,280 --> 01:00:06,720
Speaker 2: I did all the running and everything. But like I

1149
01:00:07,040 --> 01:00:10,480
Speaker 2: did everything where I cooked all my meals. I got

1150
01:00:10,560 --> 01:00:13,080
Speaker 2: up at five and I would go work out before

1151
01:00:13,200 --> 01:00:16,600
Speaker 2: class in Euclid, Ohio, so I could you know, get

1152
01:00:16,640 --> 01:00:20,240
Speaker 2: my get my fucking workout in. Then I'd drive back,

1153
01:00:20,520 --> 01:00:22,960
Speaker 2: drive back to Akron with Charlie Fry and I would

1154
01:00:22,960 --> 01:00:25,680
Speaker 2: throw with him because I had that dream, you know

1155
01:00:25,680 --> 01:00:27,600
Speaker 2: what I mean. And that was one of the biggest

1156
01:00:27,600 --> 01:00:29,920
Speaker 2: things for me when I was coming out is working

1157
01:00:29,960 --> 01:00:33,080
Speaker 2: with Charlie Fry, who was He was a pro quarterback.

1158
01:00:33,600 --> 01:00:36,280
Speaker 2: So if you had a pro quarterback talking to you

1159
01:00:36,480 --> 01:00:38,680
Speaker 2: on what he wants to see a receiver do. I

1160
01:00:38,680 --> 01:00:40,640
Speaker 2: didn't know how to run routes, but if you have,

1161
01:00:41,160 --> 01:00:43,880
Speaker 2: you know, Charlie Fry coming over say well, you gotta

1162
01:00:43,960 --> 01:00:44,560
Speaker 2: roll out.

1163
01:00:44,400 --> 01:00:46,400
Speaker 1: And you can't. You can't. You can't have an out

1164
01:00:46,520 --> 01:00:48,200
Speaker 1: like that. You can't there's too much time at the

1165
01:00:48,200 --> 01:00:51,480
Speaker 1: top of the route or you know. That helped me tremendously.

1166
01:00:51,640 --> 01:00:54,120
Speaker 1: So I think I would have had at that time

1167
01:00:54,120 --> 01:00:57,280
Speaker 1: in my life been able to go to Frankfurt because

1168
01:00:57,320 --> 01:00:59,360
Speaker 1: I still had that dream of playing in the league,

1169
01:01:00,120 --> 01:01:03,520
Speaker 1: you know. So you just you keep saying things like that,

1170
01:01:03,600 --> 01:01:07,480
Speaker 1: all these other thoughts that the whole idea of Like

1171
01:01:07,600 --> 01:01:11,480
Speaker 1: Charlie frye, I am such a believer in player development,

1172
01:01:12,000 --> 01:01:13,880
Speaker 1: and when you got to the league, you had a

1173
01:01:13,960 --> 01:01:19,720
Speaker 1: quarterback who loved player development, whether it was you, David Gibbons,

1174
01:01:19,800 --> 01:01:23,240
Speaker 1: Dion Branch, all these guys who were certain types of

1175
01:01:23,280 --> 01:01:27,200
Speaker 1: people that worked and could pay attention. We're willing they

1176
01:01:27,480 --> 01:01:29,240
Speaker 1: that have really strong work ethic. He was going to

1177
01:01:29,280 --> 01:01:32,600
Speaker 1: teach maybe some of the work habits, the idea of

1178
01:01:32,640 --> 01:01:34,720
Speaker 1: having a guy like Charlie Frye. I got a quarterback

1179
01:01:34,760 --> 01:01:38,400
Speaker 1: who was a true professional and how important the quarterback's

1180
01:01:38,480 --> 01:01:41,240
Speaker 1: role is along with the coaching's dad in the play.

1181
01:01:41,320 --> 01:01:44,800
Speaker 1: How important was that for you in terms of your

1182
01:01:44,880 --> 01:01:46,600
Speaker 1: development as a player being with Tommy?

1183
01:01:46,880 --> 01:01:48,320
Speaker 3: Oh, I mean that was huge.

1184
01:01:49,240 --> 01:01:53,160
Speaker 2: I would say the time away from the facility was

1185
01:01:53,200 --> 01:01:56,320
Speaker 2: the biggest part for me and tom because he was

1186
01:01:56,360 --> 01:01:58,320
Speaker 2: at a different part of his career in my career

1187
01:01:58,320 --> 01:02:01,280
Speaker 2: than when when you saw him, he was already Tom

1188
01:02:01,320 --> 01:02:02,320
Speaker 2: motherfucking Brady.

1189
01:02:03,000 --> 01:02:05,280
Speaker 1: You know, by that time, he wasn't Tommy anymore. It

1190
01:02:05,320 --> 01:02:06,920
Speaker 1: wasn't Tom anymore, you know, and it.

1191
01:02:07,000 --> 01:02:10,840
Speaker 2: Was this is tom This is two years removed from seven,

1192
01:02:11,000 --> 01:02:16,080
Speaker 2: so like they had this electrifying air attack by then.

1193
01:02:16,400 --> 01:02:20,760
Speaker 2: And you know, for me, it was so hard to

1194
01:02:20,800 --> 01:02:25,000
Speaker 2: gain his trust because he at that point of his career,

1195
01:02:25,040 --> 01:02:27,680
Speaker 2: he's ten years in, He's seen a lot of receivers,

1196
01:02:28,320 --> 01:02:31,760
Speaker 2: so it took him time and he's no, he's seen

1197
01:02:31,800 --> 01:02:34,840
Speaker 2: the situation where you know, he throws to a young

1198
01:02:34,960 --> 01:02:38,160
Speaker 2: receiver and the guy doesn't come flat to downhill and

1199
01:02:38,240 --> 01:02:41,840
Speaker 2: the dB undercuts it and so he gets scarred and

1200
01:02:41,880 --> 01:02:45,240
Speaker 2: he remembers that. So for a younger player, if you

1201
01:02:45,360 --> 01:02:47,960
Speaker 2: ever get an opportunity to get a ball to you,

1202
01:02:47,960 --> 01:02:51,360
Speaker 2: you have to do a good thing. You can't fuck

1203
01:02:51,480 --> 01:02:56,000
Speaker 2: up the fundamental coaching point or whatever tom said in

1204
01:02:56,040 --> 01:02:58,880
Speaker 2: the team meeting or whatever he said to Wes. Even

1205
01:02:58,920 --> 01:03:01,880
Speaker 2: if he said it to Wes or Randy, he's expecting

1206
01:03:01,960 --> 01:03:05,680
Speaker 2: you to listen. So you know, it wasn't until I

1207
01:03:05,800 --> 01:03:08,680
Speaker 2: started training with him in the offseason where he was

1208
01:03:08,800 --> 01:03:11,280
Speaker 2: learning my body behavior on how I got in and

1209
01:03:11,280 --> 01:03:14,040
Speaker 2: out of breaks. I was learning things that he would

1210
01:03:14,080 --> 01:03:17,920
Speaker 2: be mad at. That's when we really, you know, started connecting.

1211
01:03:18,040 --> 01:03:20,040
Speaker 1: But that's part of the pressure rights and this is

1212
01:03:20,080 --> 01:03:22,560
Speaker 1: exactly what I'm talking about. So it was the scars

1213
01:03:22,560 --> 01:03:25,280
Speaker 1: that you were starting to get from Tommy because he

1214
01:03:25,440 --> 01:03:27,959
Speaker 1: was letting you know what was acceptable and what wasn't

1215
01:03:28,000 --> 01:03:32,120
Speaker 1: act unacceptable, and if you weren't. It's interesting because I

1216
01:03:32,200 --> 01:03:37,000
Speaker 1: felt like our entire team at different positions. Part of

1217
01:03:37,000 --> 01:03:41,840
Speaker 1: the Patriots magic was that players would run other players off.

1218
01:03:42,480 --> 01:03:44,800
Speaker 1: And if you weren't buying in. But the fact that

1219
01:03:44,840 --> 01:03:49,200
Speaker 1: you bought in because you got scar scarred by Tommy

1220
01:03:49,320 --> 01:03:51,240
Speaker 1: saying no, this is the way we're doing it. Do

1221
01:03:51,360 --> 01:03:56,800
Speaker 1: its scars from previous receivers that have you know, So

1222
01:03:56,880 --> 01:03:59,480
Speaker 1: then to draft choices that we had that you know,

1223
01:03:59,520 --> 01:04:02,240
Speaker 1: guys who two receivers I know that we drafted this

1224
01:04:02,480 --> 01:04:06,720
Speaker 1: in the second round different years who had weight, speed tools,

1225
01:04:07,760 --> 01:04:10,120
Speaker 1: but they weren't buying into the program. And then you

1226
01:04:10,160 --> 01:04:12,600
Speaker 1: get another second round like Dion Branch who was all

1227
01:04:12,640 --> 01:04:15,840
Speaker 1: in on the program, and David Gibbons, and people forget

1228
01:04:15,840 --> 01:04:18,240
Speaker 1: guys like David Gibbons, and then so many of the

1229
01:04:18,280 --> 01:04:21,480
Speaker 1: players that came to us that there was a way

1230
01:04:21,520 --> 01:04:23,240
Speaker 1: that we were doing business and the way that tom

1231
01:04:23,320 --> 01:04:25,120
Speaker 1: was going to do a business. And if you did

1232
01:04:25,160 --> 01:04:28,480
Speaker 1: it again, you became part of the tribe. Yeah.

1233
01:04:28,520 --> 01:04:31,240
Speaker 2: And I always tell people that everyone talks about this

1234
01:04:31,400 --> 01:04:35,360
Speaker 2: Patriot way thing in man of that I'm not either,

1235
01:04:35,680 --> 01:04:38,920
Speaker 2: But when you have to define it, I define it

1236
01:04:39,040 --> 01:04:45,040
Speaker 2: like this bill and the coaches were basically Congress. They

1237
01:04:45,080 --> 01:04:48,000
Speaker 2: made the fucking rules, they made the laws. It was

1238
01:04:48,120 --> 01:04:51,680
Speaker 2: up to the players to go out and police them.

1239
01:04:51,880 --> 01:04:53,920
Speaker 2: So they were like the sheriffs and stuff, you know

1240
01:04:53,960 --> 01:04:56,320
Speaker 2: what I mean, because they were put they put the

1241
01:04:56,360 --> 01:04:59,280
Speaker 2: rules in place. But you didn't have to tell Tom

1242
01:04:59,400 --> 01:05:02,400
Speaker 2: Teddy Kevin Falk. You didn't have to tell them what

1243
01:05:02,480 --> 01:05:04,400
Speaker 2: to do. They were police, they didn't They got on

1244
01:05:04,440 --> 01:05:07,720
Speaker 2: the motherfuckers, the vrabels. They got on guys if you

1245
01:05:07,720 --> 01:05:10,760
Speaker 2: weren't doing or holding up to your standard. And that's

1246
01:05:10,800 --> 01:05:14,320
Speaker 2: what everyone talks about the page. It's it's just accountability,

1247
01:05:14,440 --> 01:05:18,960
Speaker 2: accountability on a level where you're embarrassed if you if

1248
01:05:19,000 --> 01:05:21,760
Speaker 2: you don't do your job, you're gonna get ridiculed and

1249
01:05:22,040 --> 01:05:23,600
Speaker 2: guys are gonna give it to you if you didn't

1250
01:05:23,640 --> 01:05:25,680
Speaker 2: give your one hundred percent. If you gave a hundred

1251
01:05:25,680 --> 01:05:27,800
Speaker 2: percent and you didn't get the job done, guys will

1252
01:05:27,840 --> 01:05:30,520
Speaker 2: feel for you. But if you're not doing everything it

1253
01:05:30,640 --> 01:05:34,040
Speaker 2: takes to get the job done and and you fuck up,

1254
01:05:34,800 --> 01:05:37,440
Speaker 2: that's when a guy is gonna fucking go in and

1255
01:05:38,400 --> 01:05:39,000
Speaker 2: destroy you.

1256
01:05:39,480 --> 01:05:42,320
Speaker 1: And that multiple guys you're nailing at Julian And that

1257
01:05:42,480 --> 01:05:45,200
Speaker 1: was part of it. And in the early years, you know,

1258
01:05:45,320 --> 01:05:49,800
Speaker 1: we moved into the new stadium and the you know,

1259
01:05:49,840 --> 01:05:53,160
Speaker 1: the lockers were done numerically, that one set of lockers

1260
01:05:53,160 --> 01:05:55,960
Speaker 1: where you came in that one main door, not the one.

1261
01:05:56,160 --> 01:05:58,720
Speaker 1: William McGinnis on one side, Teddy Bruski on the other.

1262
01:05:59,040 --> 01:06:01,760
Speaker 1: Then you had Is and then you had Rabel. You

1263
01:06:01,800 --> 01:06:04,960
Speaker 1: had and you had to walk the gauntlet and if

1264
01:06:05,000 --> 01:06:07,440
Speaker 1: you were late, if you screwed something up. I mean

1265
01:06:08,040 --> 01:06:11,240
Speaker 1: there was a time, you know, Iszoe used to have

1266
01:06:11,320 --> 01:06:13,440
Speaker 1: his own There was brad Seely would have the special

1267
01:06:13,480 --> 01:06:17,160
Speaker 1: teams meetings, but before brad Seely's meetings, there was the

1268
01:06:17,200 --> 01:06:20,480
Speaker 1: meeting before the meeting, and certain players, veteran players, would

1269
01:06:20,520 --> 01:06:23,160
Speaker 1: have their own meetings and there would be like a

1270
01:06:23,160 --> 01:06:25,360
Speaker 1: fine rule, the player find thing. I know, we're not

1271
01:06:25,400 --> 01:06:27,800
Speaker 1: allowed to talk about this. It's something that used to

1272
01:06:27,880 --> 01:06:31,000
Speaker 1: exist everywhere where Bill. You know how Bill always asked

1273
01:06:31,040 --> 01:06:33,880
Speaker 1: those questions, you know, in the meetings and if you

1274
01:06:33,920 --> 01:06:36,120
Speaker 1: didn't know the answer to question in the discounty report,

1275
01:06:36,160 --> 01:06:38,840
Speaker 1: you better know the kangaroo Court of players would would

1276
01:06:38,920 --> 01:06:41,200
Speaker 1: find you and they would collect and the players, you know,

1277
01:06:41,200 --> 01:06:43,360
Speaker 1: there were a couple that I won't name all of

1278
01:06:43,120 --> 01:06:45,800
Speaker 1: the players that were involved, they know who they are.

1279
01:06:47,360 --> 01:06:51,600
Speaker 3: Down but the league's actually gotten a little cooler.

1280
01:06:52,000 --> 01:06:57,480
Speaker 1: This is this is where it got sticky. So there

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01:06:57,520 --> 01:07:00,280
Speaker 1: was this whole fine system, and Larry is a would

1282
01:07:00,280 --> 01:07:03,880
Speaker 1: have special teams meetings. Before the special teams meetings, rookies,

1283
01:07:04,200 --> 01:07:06,440
Speaker 1: practice squad players. They had to show up for these

1284
01:07:06,440 --> 01:07:08,640
Speaker 1: player meetings that were going on, and if you didn't

1285
01:07:08,640 --> 01:07:10,760
Speaker 1: show up, you screwed something up. There was these fines.

1286
01:07:11,160 --> 01:07:14,480
Speaker 1: So there were these players that collected the fines, and

1287
01:07:15,080 --> 01:07:17,240
Speaker 1: I was aware of the fine system. And what happened

1288
01:07:17,320 --> 01:07:19,720
Speaker 1: was there was a game again certain players the name

1289
01:07:20,160 --> 01:07:25,760
Speaker 1: unnamed remained unnamed, had a big play and after the

1290
01:07:25,760 --> 01:07:27,840
Speaker 1: game and the interview says, yeah, I just got myself

1291
01:07:27,840 --> 01:07:31,600
Speaker 1: a Ben Franklin, meaning that he was getting one hundred

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01:07:31,600 --> 01:07:35,680
Speaker 1: dollars for from the kangaroo court, that is the locker

1293
01:07:35,760 --> 01:07:40,120
Speaker 1: room kangaroo court. But the league start to investigation the

1294
01:07:40,160 --> 01:07:44,720
Speaker 1: real leaders of this group, the Bruskis, the Vrabels, and

1295
01:07:45,560 --> 01:07:48,040
Speaker 1: they were the collectors, and then there were the redistributors.

1296
01:07:48,120 --> 01:07:51,240
Speaker 1: But here's what happened. The league started an investigation because

1297
01:07:52,040 --> 01:07:56,560
Speaker 1: they had found out they heard this and the redistribution

1298
01:07:56,760 --> 01:07:59,320
Speaker 1: of money, even though it was for all good reasons,

1299
01:07:59,440 --> 01:08:05,520
Speaker 1: all good purposes. All if you're redistributing money, they said,

1300
01:08:05,520 --> 01:08:08,640
Speaker 1: that falls under the bounty rule. Yeah, but our players

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01:08:08,680 --> 01:08:10,680
Speaker 1: and you know this locker room. Here's the thing. Our

1302
01:08:10,720 --> 01:08:14,240
Speaker 1: players were never about hurting seven. It was never that

1303
01:08:14,360 --> 01:08:17,840
Speaker 1: kind of yeah, a big block, right, it was that

1304
01:08:17,920 --> 01:08:20,000
Speaker 1: kind of stuff. But the league so I ended up

1305
01:08:20,000 --> 01:08:24,240
Speaker 1: getting fined because I was aware it was. It was unbelievable.

1306
01:08:24,320 --> 01:08:27,920
Speaker 1: Another gate. I don't know if we can put this gate.

1307
01:08:28,600 --> 01:08:30,960
Speaker 1: But again, but the point in that is what I remember,

1308
01:08:31,200 --> 01:08:32,880
Speaker 1: you know, talking to the folks to the league saying,

1309
01:08:33,520 --> 01:08:37,680
Speaker 1: here's what you don't understand. This kind of accountability is

1310
01:08:37,680 --> 01:08:40,760
Speaker 1: is what this team needs. This is peer accountability. This

1311
01:08:40,840 --> 01:08:44,080
Speaker 1: is people holding one another to a certain standard. And

1312
01:08:44,280 --> 01:08:47,800
Speaker 1: you're gonna break up this kangaroo court. That really is

1313
01:08:47,840 --> 01:08:50,360
Speaker 1: a core part of our the fiber of our locker room.

1314
01:08:50,880 --> 01:08:53,240
Speaker 1: It's camaraderie. Yeah, you know, but.

1315
01:08:53,760 --> 01:08:55,880
Speaker 5: We cut that guy for running his mouth to the media.

1316
01:08:55,960 --> 01:08:58,320
Speaker 5: But the Benjamin Franklin.

1317
01:08:58,000 --> 01:09:03,559
Speaker 1: We didn't. Oh we didn't. I remember. It was just

1318
01:09:03,880 --> 01:09:06,840
Speaker 1: kangaroo court. You gotta have it, yeah, you know.

1319
01:09:07,360 --> 01:09:09,680
Speaker 2: Then by the time I got there, we we just

1320
01:09:09,720 --> 01:09:11,920
Speaker 2: made like sweatshirts.

1321
01:09:11,320 --> 01:09:15,920
Speaker 1: And ship with slogans on it. Yeah, like special team unit.

1322
01:09:16,479 --> 01:09:18,160
Speaker 1: I have like a fighter pilot.

1323
01:09:18,439 --> 01:09:21,519
Speaker 5: Wasn't Joe Judge, a sick fashion designer Joe.

1324
01:09:21,760 --> 01:09:23,120
Speaker 3: Is always designing some ship.

1325
01:09:23,200 --> 01:09:26,640
Speaker 1: Bro Im like, Joe, we don't need another fucking hoodie.

1326
01:09:27,520 --> 01:09:31,040
Speaker 1: But let's jump into these Raiders. Break them down. Raiders.

1327
01:09:31,240 --> 01:09:37,680
Speaker 5: What do you mean, don't you mean the All right,

1328
01:09:38,000 --> 01:09:41,120
Speaker 5: let's get into these Raiders. These are John Gruden's Raiders,

1329
01:09:41,280 --> 01:09:44,360
Speaker 5: the second seed in the AFC this year eleven and five.

1330
01:09:44,760 --> 01:09:48,360
Speaker 5: Speaking of European football, John Gruden, right now, advisor to

1331
01:09:48,360 --> 01:09:49,080
Speaker 5: the Milanos.

1332
01:09:49,080 --> 01:09:54,240
Speaker 1: Seamen Milano. That's right, it's Italy. Yes, yeah, it's well,

1333
01:09:54,280 --> 01:09:57,960
Speaker 1: so look at you, well done, and it's the c

1334
01:09:58,640 --> 01:10:04,760
Speaker 1: s e A. Yes see men men two separate words. Yeah, man,

1335
01:10:04,880 --> 01:10:10,080
Speaker 1: you're a lair to him. You will that's waterman. Back

1336
01:10:10,120 --> 01:10:13,559
Speaker 1: to the sorry see.

1337
01:10:13,880 --> 01:10:16,920
Speaker 5: Then and uh, this was Bill Callahan was running the

1338
01:10:16,960 --> 01:10:18,639
Speaker 5: offense the OC this year.

1339
01:10:19,040 --> 01:10:21,479
Speaker 3: Callahan is his son's a head coach.

1340
01:10:21,560 --> 01:10:23,439
Speaker 1: Right, yeah, look at it's so.

1341
01:10:23,600 --> 01:10:26,080
Speaker 2: I always love going in. I love going down these

1342
01:10:26,120 --> 01:10:29,000
Speaker 2: old like games. And then you start to see the

1343
01:10:29,040 --> 01:10:31,160
Speaker 2: lineage of who comes from where?

1344
01:10:31,320 --> 01:10:34,920
Speaker 1: Bill Callahan one of the best offensive line coaches all time,

1345
01:10:35,280 --> 01:10:36,920
Speaker 1: one of the best. I've heard that all the time.

1346
01:10:37,040 --> 01:10:39,839
Speaker 5: Speaking of great coaches, Fred Blittnikoff was running the wide receivers.

1347
01:10:40,080 --> 01:10:42,200
Speaker 5: You know, It's not bad having a coach with an

1348
01:10:42,240 --> 01:10:45,040
Speaker 5: award named after him. Come on now, uh, David Shaw,

1349
01:10:45,080 --> 01:10:47,479
Speaker 5: you remember him at Stanford head coach for all those years.

1350
01:10:47,520 --> 01:10:52,080
Speaker 1: Quarterback coach Chuck Bresnahan. Don't skip that name, because Chuck

1351
01:10:52,120 --> 01:10:56,120
Speaker 1: Bresnahan worked at the Naval Academy with Bill Bill's dad

1352
01:10:56,320 --> 01:10:58,800
Speaker 1: and then was actually a quality control guy with us

1353
01:10:58,880 --> 01:10:59,880
Speaker 1: at the Browns.

1354
01:10:59,600 --> 01:11:04,479
Speaker 5: Under Bills running the defense DC this year crazy and

1355
01:11:04,520 --> 01:11:07,639
Speaker 5: they brought in uh talking about pro personnel Jerry Rice

1356
01:11:07,680 --> 01:11:10,240
Speaker 5: in the r Ice a thirty nine year old Jerry Rice.

1357
01:11:10,560 --> 01:11:14,519
Speaker 1: He had a thousand yards at inty eight unbelievable, insane.

1358
01:11:14,120 --> 01:11:14,920
Speaker 6: Nine touchdowns.

1359
01:11:14,960 --> 01:11:18,559
Speaker 1: This was two thous couple of gold jackets. Unbelievable. Joey

1360
01:11:18,600 --> 01:11:20,960
Speaker 1: Porter was no slouch either. No, no, wa.

1361
01:11:21,200 --> 01:11:23,240
Speaker 3: Charlie Gardner, like we already talked.

1362
01:11:23,000 --> 01:11:23,679
Speaker 1: I love charge.

1363
01:11:23,720 --> 01:11:25,520
Speaker 5: This was a great veteran Rosscannon.

1364
01:11:26,200 --> 01:11:26,360
Speaker 4: Uh.

1365
01:11:26,400 --> 01:11:28,240
Speaker 5: This team started out hot ten and three.

1366
01:11:28,280 --> 01:11:31,000
Speaker 2: Who was there defensive guys that you had to worry about.

1367
01:11:31,640 --> 01:11:34,160
Speaker 2: You always look at this Raiders team and you think

1368
01:11:34,200 --> 01:11:37,480
Speaker 2: of the Gruden Raiders as an offensive juggernaut.

1369
01:11:37,600 --> 01:11:39,880
Speaker 1: Rod Coleman was a really good player, I'll tell you.

1370
01:11:40,120 --> 01:11:44,920
Speaker 1: And Chris Cooper was was an interesting player. He wasn't

1371
01:11:44,920 --> 01:11:47,680
Speaker 1: a top name, but he was a situational guy that

1372
01:11:47,800 --> 01:11:52,040
Speaker 1: was a bit of a handful. Grady Jackson outstanding, Reagan Upshaw,

1373
01:11:52,560 --> 01:11:55,559
Speaker 1: Elijah Alexander, those guys. Beaker was a heck of a player.

1374
01:11:56,040 --> 01:11:58,439
Speaker 1: But again, the corners, are you kidding me? Eric Allen,

1375
01:11:59,280 --> 01:12:04,599
Speaker 1: Eric Allen right and Charles Woodson Woods Young, Charles Woodson. Yeah, yeah,

1376
01:12:04,640 --> 01:12:07,639
Speaker 1: so they were, they were, They were a good teammate.

1377
01:12:07,720 --> 01:12:10,960
Speaker 1: We do Fox Kickoff together. Yeah, he beat beat He

1378
01:12:11,000 --> 01:12:14,360
Speaker 1: beat me in a tug of war. Fucking guys still

1379
01:12:14,400 --> 01:12:15,559
Speaker 1: got it. Wow.

1380
01:12:15,960 --> 01:12:17,519
Speaker 3: We did this finals thing.

1381
01:12:17,560 --> 01:12:20,600
Speaker 2: We went on like a Fox recruit trip or a

1382
01:12:20,640 --> 01:12:21,719
Speaker 2: Fox retreat trip.

1383
01:12:22,120 --> 01:12:24,040
Speaker 1: And we got down to the final two guys is

1384
01:12:24,080 --> 01:12:26,360
Speaker 1: me and Chuck and and uh, you had to be

1385
01:12:26,400 --> 01:12:29,759
Speaker 1: on a stump with a fucking tug war pool whatever.

1386
01:12:30,720 --> 01:12:34,320
Speaker 1: And he's got he's got good length. He did like

1387
01:12:34,360 --> 01:12:37,760
Speaker 1: a little fake thing and then he lanked me. Oh

1388
01:12:38,600 --> 01:12:40,240
Speaker 1: then it got me off the stump. So he got

1389
01:12:40,360 --> 01:12:41,200
Speaker 1: he got in your head.

1390
01:12:42,960 --> 01:12:44,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't know, because he started pulling. I was

1391
01:12:44,960 --> 01:12:47,120
Speaker 2: letting it go because you know, you pull it, you

1392
01:12:47,439 --> 01:12:49,400
Speaker 2: let him go and then maybe he'll go back.

1393
01:12:50,040 --> 01:12:53,479
Speaker 1: There was some he kind of he he got me. Wow.

1394
01:12:53,920 --> 01:12:55,519
Speaker 1: It was kind of like the old Terry tape mine

1395
01:12:56,840 --> 01:13:03,320
Speaker 1: full mind game off linebacker. Yeah, all the mine game

1396
01:13:03,360 --> 01:13:06,400
Speaker 1: shout out rebox Terry Tate off. We had a Terry

1397
01:13:06,479 --> 01:13:10,400
Speaker 1: Tate jersey that was during the big rebox in the

1398
01:13:10,479 --> 01:13:12,960
Speaker 1: draft room. What I would do for that jersey? Oh

1399
01:13:13,000 --> 01:13:16,439
Speaker 1: my god, Terry, I might still have it. As you

1400
01:13:16,479 --> 01:13:19,639
Speaker 1: guys see, there's a lot of stuff that I brought

1401
01:13:19,680 --> 01:13:21,880
Speaker 1: in here. It's a I mean, did you have a

1402
01:13:21,960 --> 01:13:24,679
Speaker 1: did you have one of these books dedicated to these

1403
01:13:24,800 --> 01:13:27,880
Speaker 1: Raiders or is this just straight general full book not

1404
01:13:27,960 --> 01:13:29,920
Speaker 1: a full book? You know there's the weekly game plan

1405
01:13:29,960 --> 01:13:30,519
Speaker 1: and stuff and.

1406
01:13:30,479 --> 01:13:33,240
Speaker 3: The now what we'll jump into it. What do you

1407
01:13:33,320 --> 01:13:34,240
Speaker 3: how do you prepare?

1408
01:13:34,320 --> 01:13:37,400
Speaker 2: What do you do during game week as general manager

1409
01:13:37,479 --> 01:13:39,360
Speaker 2: when you're jumping into a playoff game?

1410
01:13:39,439 --> 01:13:41,160
Speaker 3: Like, what's your day to day role?

1411
01:13:41,240 --> 01:13:41,559
Speaker 1: Is?

1412
01:13:41,560 --> 01:13:43,840
Speaker 2: Is Bill giving you certain things to look at? Or

1413
01:13:43,840 --> 01:13:46,000
Speaker 2: are you giving Bill to certain things to look at?

1414
01:13:46,120 --> 01:13:48,400
Speaker 1: When when it comes to in the role that I

1415
01:13:48,439 --> 01:13:50,280
Speaker 1: was at that point in time, we had pro scouts

1416
01:13:50,280 --> 01:13:53,280
Speaker 1: that were responsible for the advanced scouting, which would have

1417
01:13:53,479 --> 01:13:57,040
Speaker 1: all the information on the team and that would include

1418
01:13:57,080 --> 01:13:59,120
Speaker 1: signals and I know that's going to trigger some people,

1419
01:13:59,439 --> 01:14:01,400
Speaker 1: but here's a signals that we all had to do

1420
01:14:01,640 --> 01:14:04,160
Speaker 1: the personnel groupings right because back in the day, there

1421
01:14:04,240 --> 01:14:08,040
Speaker 1: wasn't the helmet to player communications. So as you know

1422
01:14:08,560 --> 01:14:12,840
Speaker 1: one one one, you know he's talking on defense. So

1423
01:14:12,880 --> 01:14:16,400
Speaker 1: you would have to get the offense of identify who

1424
01:14:16,439 --> 01:14:19,559
Speaker 1: the coach was on the sideline as the advanced scout person,

1425
01:14:20,040 --> 01:14:23,040
Speaker 1: identify who was the coach giving the personnel grouping signals

1426
01:14:23,240 --> 01:14:26,960
Speaker 1: because that was just time right is so actually during

1427
01:14:27,040 --> 01:14:31,439
Speaker 1: games in my decade with the Patriots, I sat in

1428
01:14:31,479 --> 01:14:35,080
Speaker 1: the booth right next to Ernie Adams and would identify

1429
01:14:35,280 --> 01:14:38,839
Speaker 1: the personnel groupings or you talking, whether it was twelve,

1430
01:14:38,880 --> 01:14:41,880
Speaker 1: whether it's twenty two, and so we could match, you know,

1431
01:14:42,000 --> 01:14:42,679
Speaker 1: the defense.

1432
01:14:42,760 --> 01:14:45,360
Speaker 2: And it's gotten different I think by this time where

1433
01:14:45,400 --> 01:14:47,960
Speaker 2: the defense has time to match, right, you know.

1434
01:14:48,000 --> 01:14:49,960
Speaker 1: But I don't know if it was like that back then. No.

1435
01:14:50,439 --> 01:14:52,600
Speaker 1: So if I would see one one one, that was

1436
01:14:52,680 --> 01:14:55,800
Speaker 1: usually you know, regular. So if I would see that

1437
01:14:56,240 --> 01:14:59,280
Speaker 1: in the game, I'm regular. We so we would know

1438
01:14:59,320 --> 01:15:01,680
Speaker 1: what defensive personnel have on the field if they were

1439
01:15:01,720 --> 01:15:06,000
Speaker 1: going thirteen, you know, or three receivers. It's funny because

1440
01:15:06,160 --> 01:15:09,080
Speaker 1: I still have Their team for us was always three

1441
01:15:09,120 --> 01:15:14,960
Speaker 1: tight end sorry eleven was three receivers, and it's sometimes

1442
01:15:15,040 --> 01:15:19,759
Speaker 1: we have colors in Cleveland, yeah, red blue and all that. Yeah. Yeah,

1443
01:15:19,840 --> 01:15:21,439
Speaker 1: So that that was part of what I would do.

1444
01:15:21,640 --> 01:15:24,519
Speaker 1: So but really what I would do during the season

1445
01:15:24,760 --> 01:15:27,960
Speaker 1: is again just do your job. My job was looking

1446
01:15:27,960 --> 01:15:30,439
Speaker 1: at players for the draft, looking at players. What I

1447
01:15:30,439 --> 01:15:32,040
Speaker 1: would do every week when we were getting ready to

1448
01:15:32,080 --> 01:15:34,160
Speaker 1: play the Raiders, for instance, I would be looking at

1449
01:15:34,160 --> 01:15:36,320
Speaker 1: all their players during the week that We're going to

1450
01:15:36,320 --> 01:15:38,719
Speaker 1: be free agents that off season. So I was doing

1451
01:15:38,720 --> 01:15:41,080
Speaker 1: the early work to prepare for free agency. So I

1452
01:15:41,080 --> 01:15:44,639
Speaker 1: would have my evaluation done. But you know, during the season,

1453
01:15:44,880 --> 01:15:48,000
Speaker 1: and during this season is a perfect example. You have injuries,

1454
01:15:48,000 --> 01:15:50,679
Speaker 1: you have things going on, there's teams that are cutting players.

1455
01:15:51,040 --> 01:15:54,960
Speaker 1: You're you know, you're having to pay attention to the roster.

1456
01:15:55,439 --> 01:15:58,519
Speaker 1: I mean this year alone, you know, we I want

1457
01:15:58,520 --> 01:16:00,320
Speaker 1: to say it was in November of this season, in

1458
01:16:00,320 --> 01:16:02,479
Speaker 1: two thousand and one season where we moved on from

1459
01:16:02,520 --> 01:16:05,599
Speaker 1: Lee Johnson, our punter, and brought in Kenny Walter. You know,

1460
01:16:05,760 --> 01:16:09,360
Speaker 1: Kenny Walter. People don't realize how important he was for

1461
01:16:09,400 --> 01:16:11,880
Speaker 1: that football team and this team that beat the Raiders

1462
01:16:11,920 --> 01:16:14,160
Speaker 1: and won the Super Bowl. Not only as a punter,

1463
01:16:14,680 --> 01:16:18,000
Speaker 1: but as a holder. He was our holder. So you know,

1464
01:16:18,400 --> 01:16:22,759
Speaker 1: where do you go to school? Where do you go

1465
01:16:22,800 --> 01:16:28,799
Speaker 1: to Kent State? Guy? Yeah, So here's the funny story.

1466
01:16:29,080 --> 01:16:32,519
Speaker 1: He was a clique. You know, fact checked me there.

1467
01:16:32,560 --> 01:16:38,320
Speaker 1: But but he's from Ohio. Well here's the deal. But

1468
01:16:38,680 --> 01:16:42,000
Speaker 1: here's the thing. Kenny. Kenny was a ball boy for

1469
01:16:42,080 --> 01:16:44,360
Speaker 1: us at the Cleveland Browns. This was one of the

1470
01:16:44,400 --> 01:16:46,000
Speaker 1: things that we used to do. We would bring in

1471
01:16:46,040 --> 01:16:50,320
Speaker 1: guys that were either high school or college punters and

1472
01:16:50,479 --> 01:16:54,439
Speaker 1: backup quarterbacks to be an extra arm practice and also

1473
01:16:54,520 --> 01:16:57,680
Speaker 1: to be an extra leg for punt So Kenny, so

1474
01:16:58,280 --> 01:17:00,240
Speaker 1: that was part of what I would have to do

1475
01:17:00,400 --> 01:17:02,800
Speaker 1: is you know, we're paying attention to the roster. That

1476
01:17:02,920 --> 01:17:06,080
Speaker 1: was my job. I'm not a coach. You know, coaches

1477
01:17:06,120 --> 01:17:08,320
Speaker 1: did their job that they did. I always had to

1478
01:17:08,360 --> 01:17:10,960
Speaker 1: make sure that we had eyes on the players that

1479
01:17:11,000 --> 01:17:12,920
Speaker 1: could improve the roster during the season.

1480
01:17:13,680 --> 01:17:16,600
Speaker 2: Let's let's jump into that Cleveland Browns like, how was

1481
01:17:17,880 --> 01:17:18,879
Speaker 2: how was that operation?

1482
01:17:18,920 --> 01:17:23,040
Speaker 3: Because that's where you got your your your start.

1483
01:17:22,320 --> 01:17:26,280
Speaker 1: As a slappy that's actually known as the Slappies. You see,

1484
01:17:26,320 --> 01:17:27,800
Speaker 1: I'm not the only one who says it. You know,

1485
01:17:28,120 --> 01:17:31,400
Speaker 1: I call as you know, it has a different name.

1486
01:17:31,520 --> 01:17:36,559
Speaker 1: But we were just slap dick yeah podcast podcast yeah yeah.

1487
01:17:36,680 --> 01:17:40,720
Speaker 1: But you know, like, how is is that where you

1488
01:17:40,800 --> 01:17:45,400
Speaker 1: guys basically developed your formula and that book that you

1489
01:17:45,520 --> 01:17:47,280
Speaker 1: have right to the right of you, and how to

1490
01:17:47,360 --> 01:17:50,720
Speaker 1: scout and and and what.

1491
01:17:50,800 --> 01:17:53,960
Speaker 2: A team supposed to look like literally at every position

1492
01:17:54,000 --> 01:17:56,680
Speaker 2: where you guys starting that in Cleveland and then the

1493
01:17:56,680 --> 01:17:59,920
Speaker 2: band broke up, and then you reunited in New England

1494
01:18:00,000 --> 01:18:01,880
Speaker 2: and then that's kind of where you did you.

1495
01:18:01,920 --> 01:18:06,720
Speaker 1: Just so so again. In Cleveland, I was an entry

1496
01:18:06,760 --> 01:18:10,280
Speaker 1: level guy. I had coached for four years. I knew

1497
01:18:10,320 --> 01:18:12,800
Speaker 1: Bill Beck when I had met him when I was

1498
01:18:12,800 --> 01:18:14,439
Speaker 1: in college. I was a sophomore in college. I think

1499
01:18:14,439 --> 01:18:17,680
Speaker 1: he was a deepens coordinator the Giants. We cultivated this relationship,

1500
01:18:17,720 --> 01:18:19,439
Speaker 1: we stayed in touch. So when he got to Cleveland,

1501
01:18:20,080 --> 01:18:22,120
Speaker 1: he hired me, and I wasn't sure if I was

1502
01:18:22,160 --> 01:18:23,880
Speaker 1: going to be a quality control guy or scouting. I

1503
01:18:23,960 --> 01:18:27,720
Speaker 1: ended up being in scouting. And the manual that we

1504
01:18:27,800 --> 01:18:32,000
Speaker 1: put together for the Patriots was very It was different

1505
01:18:32,040 --> 01:18:34,160
Speaker 1: and it was different from the rest of the league

1506
01:18:34,320 --> 01:18:37,640
Speaker 1: because scouting at that point in time, there was a

1507
01:18:37,680 --> 01:18:42,120
Speaker 1: base formula of what scouting was about, and it was this,

1508
01:18:42,960 --> 01:18:45,839
Speaker 1: and it had grading systems that were all very similar.

1509
01:18:46,360 --> 01:18:49,320
Speaker 1: But what a lot of teams did. They scouted really

1510
01:18:49,360 --> 01:18:53,679
Speaker 1: based on the league right. And one of the things

1511
01:18:53,720 --> 01:18:57,320
Speaker 1: that I remember happened during the time working with Bill,

1512
01:18:57,400 --> 01:19:00,240
Speaker 1: having known Bill again for as long as I did

1513
01:19:00,240 --> 01:19:03,600
Speaker 1: personally and before I went to work with him, you know,

1514
01:19:03,680 --> 01:19:05,760
Speaker 1: one of the interesting things was when I when I

1515
01:19:05,760 --> 01:19:09,479
Speaker 1: got to Cleveland, there were very there weren't that many

1516
01:19:09,560 --> 01:19:13,080
Speaker 1: people on the staff and within the entire football operation

1517
01:19:13,200 --> 01:19:17,080
Speaker 1: that had actually worked with Bill. Al grow was our

1518
01:19:17,120 --> 01:19:20,559
Speaker 1: linebacker coach for a short time. You know, Nick and

1519
01:19:20,600 --> 01:19:23,800
Speaker 1: Bill knew Saban knew one another. But Nick had actually

1520
01:19:23,840 --> 01:19:26,960
Speaker 1: worked with I want to say, with Bill's dad at

1521
01:19:26,960 --> 01:19:29,439
Speaker 1: one point in time. So there were Ernie, Ernie had

1522
01:19:29,479 --> 01:19:32,479
Speaker 1: worked with Bill, so and Ernie one of my all

1523
01:19:32,560 --> 01:19:34,880
Speaker 1: time favorite people. I'll tell you a cool Ernie story

1524
01:19:34,880 --> 01:19:39,200
Speaker 1: a little later on. It's uh, you know, So, there

1525
01:19:39,240 --> 01:19:41,559
Speaker 1: weren't that many people that that knew Bill and and

1526
01:19:41,640 --> 01:19:45,680
Speaker 1: part of what what happened with the scouting was we

1527
01:19:45,680 --> 01:19:47,960
Speaker 1: were big on tools like a lot of teams height, weight,

1528
01:19:48,080 --> 01:19:53,519
Speaker 1: speed and anyway as important as that stuff is. You know,

1529
01:19:54,040 --> 01:19:58,360
Speaker 1: I think Bill's operations different in the sense that some

1530
01:19:58,400 --> 01:20:02,240
Speaker 1: people think it's really difficult. I don't think it is

1531
01:20:02,800 --> 01:20:05,240
Speaker 1: really his big rules. And when we were in Cleveland,

1532
01:20:05,280 --> 01:20:07,439
Speaker 1: we'll be on time, pay attention, work hard. If you

1533
01:20:07,560 --> 01:20:10,000
Speaker 1: do those three things. It really kind of manifested itself

1534
01:20:10,760 --> 01:20:15,360
Speaker 1: in every way for the program thirty years later. So

1535
01:20:16,320 --> 01:20:18,600
Speaker 1: there were some things that we started, I think, to

1536
01:20:18,720 --> 01:20:22,599
Speaker 1: realize that we were more important and weren't really a

1537
01:20:22,640 --> 01:20:26,880
Speaker 1: big part of our player acquisition and our player evaluation

1538
01:20:27,160 --> 01:20:30,439
Speaker 1: in Cleveland that we didn't focus on enough. That we

1539
01:20:30,560 --> 01:20:33,439
Speaker 1: focused on quite a bit more. And go into that

1540
01:20:33,520 --> 01:20:36,000
Speaker 1: manual that I brought, you know, that was Ernie and I.

1541
01:20:36,680 --> 01:20:39,280
Speaker 1: Can you pick that up and show how big big

1542
01:20:39,320 --> 01:20:42,840
Speaker 1: these these arego sports fans when you look at a

1543
01:20:42,840 --> 01:20:45,639
Speaker 1: lot of scouting manuals are like that thick and it's

1544
01:20:45,680 --> 01:20:49,760
Speaker 1: like I think, sometimes people try to make this more

1545
01:20:49,800 --> 01:20:53,920
Speaker 1: complicated than it is. And when we got done, this

1546
01:20:54,040 --> 01:20:59,040
Speaker 1: is this is our entire scouting manual and who developed

1547
01:20:59,040 --> 01:21:02,960
Speaker 1: this manual? Ernie and I. But there's the two thousand

1548
01:21:03,000 --> 01:21:05,040
Speaker 1: and one. I've got the original, I've got the original

1549
01:21:05,040 --> 01:21:08,200
Speaker 1: two thousands. This is the two thousand and one. But really,

1550
01:21:08,520 --> 01:21:10,120
Speaker 1: you know, like here at the bottom, I could even

1551
01:21:10,160 --> 01:21:12,679
Speaker 1: say this without even looking at the bottom of every page,

1552
01:21:13,080 --> 01:21:16,519
Speaker 1: every single page this book. We're building a big, strong, fast, smart,

1553
01:21:16,640 --> 01:21:21,360
Speaker 1: tough and disciplined football team that consistently competes for championships.

1554
01:21:21,960 --> 01:21:22,080
Speaker 5: Right.

1555
01:21:22,120 --> 01:21:24,920
Speaker 1: We weren't going to we weren't throwing this word salad

1556
01:21:24,960 --> 01:21:26,960
Speaker 1: out there that we're gonna be champions every year. We

1557
01:21:26,960 --> 01:21:29,560
Speaker 1: were going to consistently put ourselves in a position to compete.

1558
01:21:29,720 --> 01:21:31,160
Speaker 1: And people say, what kind of players are you going

1559
01:21:31,200 --> 01:21:33,880
Speaker 1: to look at? Well? Big, strong, fast, smart, tough and

1560
01:21:33,920 --> 01:21:36,519
Speaker 1: disciplined football players, right, And that's why I said to

1561
01:21:36,560 --> 01:21:39,040
Speaker 1: you as we were getting going here, you got Jules,

1562
01:21:39,479 --> 01:21:42,519
Speaker 1: you were that guy. I wasn't big, strong, fast, You

1563
01:21:42,600 --> 01:21:45,640
Speaker 1: were strong. I was very fast, tough and discipline. But

1564
01:21:45,640 --> 01:21:48,599
Speaker 1: here's the thing. If they're are maybe you weren't tall,

1565
01:21:49,439 --> 01:21:50,519
Speaker 1: but you didn't play small.

1566
01:21:50,720 --> 01:21:51,400
Speaker 4: No.

1567
01:21:51,800 --> 01:21:54,360
Speaker 1: And that's the thing. Just because someone's height isn't a

1568
01:21:54,400 --> 01:21:58,040
Speaker 1: certain level doesn't mean they can't play big. Yeah, I

1569
01:21:58,120 --> 01:22:01,920
Speaker 1: get yeah. So anyway, I always argue that to everyone is, oh,

1570
01:22:01,920 --> 01:22:06,800
Speaker 1: you're so small like that. I'm two hundred pounds not small, solid.

1571
01:22:07,320 --> 01:22:09,960
Speaker 2: Right, as you think about it in my in my matchup,

1572
01:22:10,000 --> 01:22:12,920
Speaker 2: I'm going against guys that are anywhere from one hundred

1573
01:22:12,920 --> 01:22:15,839
Speaker 2: and seventy five on a low side like a small

1574
01:22:15,880 --> 01:22:17,280
Speaker 2: corner to two ten.

1575
01:22:18,160 --> 01:22:20,679
Speaker 1: No one's ever really bigger than that, but for longer.

1576
01:22:21,320 --> 01:22:24,160
Speaker 1: And people love the big receivers, right, height, weight, speed receivers.

1577
01:22:24,720 --> 01:22:29,479
Speaker 1: But let me tell you something. Could you get open? Always? Yeah,

1578
01:22:29,560 --> 01:22:34,439
Speaker 1: branch got open? You guys probably near the same height. Yeah, yeah, No,

1579
01:22:34,479 --> 01:22:36,360
Speaker 1: it's true, right, I mean, that's what I'm thinking about.

1580
01:22:36,400 --> 01:22:39,840
Speaker 1: We drafted Chad Jackson second round, and I'm not throwing

1581
01:22:39,840 --> 01:22:43,519
Speaker 1: shade at Chad. Shade at Chad. It's just the other

1582
01:22:43,560 --> 01:22:47,080
Speaker 1: things that were important weren't necessarily he wasn't able to

1583
01:22:47,080 --> 01:22:49,559
Speaker 1: develop maybe like you did, because he was willing to do.

1584
01:22:49,800 --> 01:22:52,920
Speaker 1: Bethel Johnson, we took him in the second round, big, tall, fast,

1585
01:22:53,600 --> 01:22:57,719
Speaker 1: So in building that and building the football team, we

1586
01:22:57,800 --> 01:23:00,439
Speaker 1: did a little bit more nuanced than we had the

1587
01:23:00,439 --> 01:23:03,479
Speaker 1: previous in Cleveland. Here was another thing that we had

1588
01:23:03,560 --> 01:23:05,920
Speaker 1: so when Ernie and I, Ernie and I literally sat

1589
01:23:06,040 --> 01:23:11,040
Speaker 1: in meetings together, when I tell you, days upon days

1590
01:23:11,120 --> 01:23:13,640
Speaker 1: upon days, and we didn't have a we joke about it.

1591
01:23:13,640 --> 01:23:16,280
Speaker 1: Now still Ernie and I we didn't have a vacation

1592
01:23:16,400 --> 01:23:19,960
Speaker 1: that summer because we literally finished the scouting manual and

1593
01:23:20,680 --> 01:23:22,640
Speaker 1: typed that with a little help from Nancy Meyer. But

1594
01:23:22,760 --> 01:23:24,280
Speaker 1: I wanted it on my computer. I was a little

1595
01:23:24,280 --> 01:23:27,120
Speaker 1: bit cooky about that, just meaning, you know, I want

1596
01:23:27,200 --> 01:23:29,320
Speaker 1: to put in details where I want to put in details.

1597
01:23:29,360 --> 01:23:33,360
Speaker 1: And but the other person really helped us was a

1598
01:23:33,400 --> 01:23:35,880
Speaker 1: guy who Ernie learned how to scout from, and that

1599
01:23:36,000 --> 01:23:40,920
Speaker 1: was Bucko Kilroy, God rest his soul. Ernie loves Buckle.

1600
01:23:41,040 --> 01:23:43,360
Speaker 1: I love Buckle. When we got there, we made sure

1601
01:23:43,400 --> 01:23:45,920
Speaker 1: I made sure up in the scouting department that Bucco

1602
01:23:46,000 --> 01:23:50,599
Speaker 1: had an office. I learned so much from Bucco. Ernie

1603
01:23:50,640 --> 01:23:53,280
Speaker 1: learned from Bucco. The other person that Parcels tells me

1604
01:23:53,320 --> 01:23:56,599
Speaker 1: the person that taught him scouting was Bucko Kilroy when

1605
01:23:56,600 --> 01:23:59,920
Speaker 1: he was when Parcels was the linebackers coach under Coach

1606
01:24:00,040 --> 01:24:04,960
Speaker 1: Air Banks one hundred years ago. And so Bucco had

1607
01:24:05,000 --> 01:24:09,439
Speaker 1: this this big picture sense. He was part of building

1608
01:24:09,680 --> 01:24:12,920
Speaker 1: the blessed O grading scale and the national grading scale,

1609
01:24:12,960 --> 01:24:16,160
Speaker 1: and there was so we used part of that, but

1610
01:24:16,240 --> 01:24:22,120
Speaker 1: we tailored it to be organizationally specific for what we wanted.

1611
01:24:22,400 --> 01:24:25,200
Speaker 1: Every position, the right guard had a description, the left

1612
01:24:25,200 --> 01:24:28,800
Speaker 1: guard had a description, the center did every position had specifics,

1613
01:24:28,840 --> 01:24:31,120
Speaker 1: and a lot of that came from Bill and the

1614
01:24:31,120 --> 01:24:33,320
Speaker 1: coaches we were working with. But then the other thing

1615
01:24:33,360 --> 01:24:35,080
Speaker 1: that we paid a lot of attention to is when

1616
01:24:35,080 --> 01:24:37,160
Speaker 1: we were building the team was making sure that we

1617
01:24:37,240 --> 01:24:40,720
Speaker 1: had players that were going to be able to respond

1618
01:24:40,880 --> 01:24:44,280
Speaker 1: to the head coach. Every program is different, right, There's

1619
01:24:45,520 --> 01:24:48,760
Speaker 1: our way was our way. Bill's way was hit his way.

1620
01:24:49,120 --> 01:24:52,280
Speaker 1: That didn't mean that a player that couldn't be successful

1621
01:24:52,320 --> 01:24:55,160
Speaker 1: with us couldn't go somewhere else and be successful under

1622
01:24:55,200 --> 01:24:58,400
Speaker 1: a different Hey, Pete Carroll want to Bill and Pete

1623
01:24:58,439 --> 01:25:03,040
Speaker 1: Carroll are in anyways different, but they both respect the game,

1624
01:25:03,160 --> 01:25:06,719
Speaker 1: loved the game, and respect football people. They did things differently.

1625
01:25:06,800 --> 01:25:12,000
Speaker 1: They both won championships, but stylistically they could they wanted

1626
01:25:12,000 --> 01:25:13,679
Speaker 1: different types of people. I don't know if I'm making

1627
01:25:13,720 --> 01:25:14,240
Speaker 1: any sense.

1628
01:25:15,080 --> 01:25:17,000
Speaker 6: I've got a question for you with regards to you

1629
01:25:17,000 --> 01:25:20,320
Speaker 6: guys having a different like grading system or a different

1630
01:25:20,320 --> 01:25:22,000
Speaker 6: thing you're looking at than the rest of the league.

1631
01:25:22,120 --> 01:25:25,040
Speaker 6: When it comes to like drafting, you're drafting against other teams,

1632
01:25:25,160 --> 01:25:28,479
Speaker 6: so your board might look very different from one. How

1633
01:25:28,520 --> 01:25:30,360
Speaker 6: are you trying to find value but still get your

1634
01:25:30,400 --> 01:25:32,280
Speaker 6: guys in that draft room.

1635
01:25:33,240 --> 01:25:35,599
Speaker 1: That is an awesome question because we ran a two

1636
01:25:35,640 --> 01:25:38,160
Speaker 1: gap defense when we were first there still so the

1637
01:25:38,240 --> 01:25:40,720
Speaker 1: way that we valued, but when they started playing a

1638
01:25:40,760 --> 01:25:43,400
Speaker 1: little bit more one yeah, yeah, but what we valued

1639
01:25:44,640 --> 01:25:50,080
Speaker 1: in terms of defensive linemen and or outside linebackers, Mike

1640
01:25:50,240 --> 01:25:54,519
Speaker 1: Rabel was more valuable to us than some other teams,

1641
01:25:54,840 --> 01:26:01,080
Speaker 1: you know, the big noses that could truly two gap guys.

1642
01:26:01,640 --> 01:26:04,040
Speaker 1: That was a different value of that, which for our

1643
01:26:04,400 --> 01:26:07,800
Speaker 1: Here's here's the crazy thing. When we first started that

1644
01:26:07,880 --> 01:26:10,559
Speaker 1: actually played to our advantage because there was a lot

1645
01:26:10,560 --> 01:26:13,000
Speaker 1: of players that other teams weren't interested because they didn't

1646
01:26:13,000 --> 01:26:16,320
Speaker 1: fit their philosophy, their circumstance, their situation, how they wanted

1647
01:26:16,360 --> 01:26:20,080
Speaker 1: to do things, but they fit for us. And part

1648
01:26:20,120 --> 01:26:21,639
Speaker 1: of what I hope we get into here is talking

1649
01:26:21,680 --> 01:26:25,479
Speaker 1: about that that two thousand and one free agent crew

1650
01:26:25,520 --> 01:26:28,599
Speaker 1: where we signed twenty three free agents for a total

1651
01:26:29,439 --> 01:26:32,360
Speaker 1: of two point five million dollars in signing bonus. Wow,

1652
01:26:33,479 --> 01:26:36,920
Speaker 1: here's and it's not like you know that players that

1653
01:26:36,960 --> 01:26:39,160
Speaker 1: were throwaways for other organizations.

1654
01:26:40,240 --> 01:26:43,880
Speaker 2: My generation would be the Rob Nikovich is the you

1655
01:26:43,920 --> 01:26:47,439
Speaker 2: know guys that he was a long snapper. Who else

1656
01:26:47,560 --> 01:26:52,400
Speaker 2: was someone we always got other treasures or other guys trash.

1657
01:26:52,479 --> 01:26:57,200
Speaker 1: One man's trash is another welker. Yeah, he was balling.

1658
01:26:57,320 --> 01:26:59,840
Speaker 1: He was balling and he was just starting to Yeah,

1659
01:27:00,120 --> 01:27:01,719
Speaker 1: the up trade. I think it was the second round

1660
01:27:01,960 --> 01:27:06,920
Speaker 1: pick for him. But Roman Pfeiffer, Bobby Hamilton, there's a

1661
01:27:07,000 --> 01:27:10,559
Speaker 1: great Bobby Hamilton and Anthony Pleasant, two guys that were

1662
01:27:10,600 --> 01:27:14,960
Speaker 1: linear type, built high hip. They really should have been

1663
01:27:15,439 --> 01:27:17,880
Speaker 1: one gap type of guys, which Ap was when he

1664
01:27:17,920 --> 01:27:20,920
Speaker 1: came out of Tennessee State. Bobby Hamilton, both of those

1665
01:27:20,920 --> 01:27:23,919
Speaker 1: guys were such good technicians and they were rule followers

1666
01:27:23,920 --> 01:27:25,560
Speaker 1: and they did exactly what they were supposed to do.

1667
01:27:25,680 --> 01:27:28,960
Speaker 1: Rule followers, rule followers. When I say rule followers, I'm

1668
01:27:28,960 --> 01:27:31,240
Speaker 1: talking about rule followers when it comes to your job

1669
01:27:31,479 --> 01:27:34,160
Speaker 1: on the field and playing discipline football.

1670
01:27:34,280 --> 01:27:37,479
Speaker 2: But there is always there's always one special guy like

1671
01:27:37,720 --> 01:27:42,439
Speaker 2: Lawrence Taylor. He wouldn't necessarily follow the rule, but he

1672
01:27:42,600 --> 01:27:45,320
Speaker 2: was never wrong when he broke the rule. You know,

1673
01:27:45,479 --> 01:27:47,800
Speaker 2: Jamie Collins did that for a few years where he

1674
01:27:47,840 --> 01:27:50,120
Speaker 2: would break a rule, but he would make an interception

1675
01:27:50,240 --> 01:27:52,840
Speaker 2: or sack, sack, fumble the quarterback and pick it up

1676
01:27:52,840 --> 01:27:55,760
Speaker 2: and run for it. Like there's there's those exceptions, but

1677
01:27:56,120 --> 01:27:57,640
Speaker 2: rule followers are usually.

1678
01:27:57,880 --> 01:28:01,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, and again when we say rule follow or you

1679
01:28:01,120 --> 01:28:04,760
Speaker 1: talk about scheme in their job, in their scheme. So like,

1680
01:28:04,920 --> 01:28:09,120
Speaker 1: if you're a defensive end and we're playing against you know,

1681
01:28:09,280 --> 01:28:13,040
Speaker 1: Russell Wilson, you can't get past the quarterback. You got

1682
01:28:13,040 --> 01:28:15,320
Speaker 1: to keep him in the pocket, so he delivers the

1683
01:28:15,320 --> 01:28:18,320
Speaker 1: ball in his weakest area across the middle of the field.

1684
01:28:18,720 --> 01:28:21,439
Speaker 1: If we give him a gaping hole and get behind

1685
01:28:21,520 --> 01:28:23,200
Speaker 1: him and we're trying to run the hump as a

1686
01:28:23,200 --> 01:28:25,519
Speaker 1: defensive end and we're not getting pressure from the middle

1687
01:28:25,520 --> 01:28:27,920
Speaker 1: of the pocket, you're just giving this guy a running

1688
01:28:28,000 --> 01:28:30,599
Speaker 1: lane or a throwing lane. So like there's those are

1689
01:28:30,640 --> 01:28:33,439
Speaker 1: the things that we're talking about when it's a rule follower,

1690
01:28:33,920 --> 01:28:36,080
Speaker 1: you know. Like that's why a lot of times dns

1691
01:28:36,120 --> 01:28:38,120
Speaker 1: would come to our team when I was there. We'd

1692
01:28:38,120 --> 01:28:41,040
Speaker 1: have guys sign that had a big SAT guys and

1693
01:28:41,040 --> 01:28:44,200
Speaker 1: they would hate coming to our system because we didn't

1694
01:28:44,240 --> 01:28:47,520
Speaker 1: necessarily do that. We set the edge, we would.

1695
01:28:47,200 --> 01:28:49,800
Speaker 2: Make the quarterback make the throw and try to get

1696
01:28:49,800 --> 01:28:52,160
Speaker 2: that pressure in the middle of the pocket and play

1697
01:28:52,160 --> 01:28:54,320
Speaker 2: to our corners and our safeties. And there was so

1698
01:28:54,439 --> 01:28:57,320
Speaker 2: much more for the flow of the defense, for the

1699
01:28:57,479 --> 01:29:00,519
Speaker 2: to execute. Then just just try to take the quarterback

1700
01:29:00,520 --> 01:29:03,640
Speaker 2: out with the defensive end, which you can, but that

1701
01:29:03,720 --> 01:29:06,280
Speaker 2: guy can also run like That's why you have these

1702
01:29:06,360 --> 01:29:09,679
Speaker 2: third and twenties where quarterback takes off and runs because

1703
01:29:09,720 --> 01:29:09,960
Speaker 2: you know.

1704
01:29:10,880 --> 01:29:14,240
Speaker 1: And the room followers weren't robots either, no, because you

1705
01:29:14,280 --> 01:29:18,559
Speaker 1: know Brian Cox was not. He followed the base rules,

1706
01:29:19,120 --> 01:29:22,759
Speaker 1: but he played nuanced defense. He knew when to take chances,

1707
01:29:22,760 --> 01:29:26,599
Speaker 1: how to take chances. Same thing with Raves again, Roman Pfeiffer.

1708
01:29:27,200 --> 01:29:30,200
Speaker 2: It's like high tower for us and the Jamie Collins

1709
01:29:30,240 --> 01:29:32,759
Speaker 2: and the Rob Nikovich is which they're all.

1710
01:29:32,720 --> 01:29:35,680
Speaker 1: They're kind of same guys. If you look at there,

1711
01:29:36,360 --> 01:29:39,840
Speaker 1: Willie McGinnis, Willie mack Willy, Willy did what he was

1712
01:29:39,880 --> 01:29:42,599
Speaker 1: supposed to do that when he was Oh he ate

1713
01:29:42,800 --> 01:29:47,080
Speaker 1: that dude. Long arm and those hands he had similar

1714
01:29:47,160 --> 01:29:49,120
Speaker 1: to Carl Banks that I've never found the one which

1715
01:29:49,439 --> 01:29:51,680
Speaker 1: we're getting into the New England Patriots right now, but

1716
01:29:51,720 --> 01:29:55,120
Speaker 1: go ahead, we just keep going. Willy had a strength

1717
01:29:55,520 --> 01:30:00,320
Speaker 1: hands from his fingertips to his elbow that I I

1718
01:30:00,880 --> 01:30:03,160
Speaker 1: and I remember the first time I noticed it and

1719
01:30:03,280 --> 01:30:06,280
Speaker 1: saw it and watched up close, it was Carl Banks.

1720
01:30:06,800 --> 01:30:09,879
Speaker 1: Carl Banks had this ability. You know, Carl's a thin, linear,

1721
01:30:10,080 --> 01:30:12,960
Speaker 1: lean guy and had this length with his hand strength

1722
01:30:13,000 --> 01:30:15,120
Speaker 1: and grip strength kind of like you got, which is

1723
01:30:15,120 --> 01:30:19,120
Speaker 1: why you could catch the ball. He had this what

1724
01:30:19,200 --> 01:30:25,200
Speaker 1: I called snatchability where he could grab someone and get separation,

1725
01:30:25,720 --> 01:30:28,040
Speaker 1: but without having to do this and get his shoulders

1726
01:30:28,040 --> 01:30:30,320
Speaker 1: out of whack. He could snatch a guy like this

1727
01:30:31,160 --> 01:30:33,599
Speaker 1: and that was such an important part for guys who

1728
01:30:33,640 --> 01:30:36,240
Speaker 1: had to set the edge. Willie McGinnis had that same thing,

1729
01:30:36,640 --> 01:30:38,000
Speaker 1: really had rare strength.

1730
01:30:38,040 --> 01:30:40,680
Speaker 2: And why that's so good is because when you when

1731
01:30:40,760 --> 01:30:43,320
Speaker 2: you shed a blocker and you're out here, your feet

1732
01:30:43,320 --> 01:30:45,120
Speaker 2: are in a different area, so you can only go

1733
01:30:45,240 --> 01:30:47,720
Speaker 2: one way. If you can hold the guy and have

1734
01:30:47,840 --> 01:30:50,000
Speaker 2: that grip strength right in front of you and you

1735
01:30:50,040 --> 01:30:52,800
Speaker 2: can slash him, or you can slide them with just

1736
01:30:52,840 --> 01:30:55,080
Speaker 2: your wrist or whatever, you have two ways to go

1737
01:30:55,160 --> 01:30:57,840
Speaker 2: with your feet, so then you can make a play exactly.

1738
01:30:58,600 --> 01:31:00,280
Speaker 1: And if you're set in the edge and I'm the

1739
01:31:00,360 --> 01:31:02,840
Speaker 1: right side and I got it shot a guy on

1740
01:31:02,840 --> 01:31:05,120
Speaker 1: the inside, but if I have to do this that

1741
01:31:05,240 --> 01:31:07,760
Speaker 1: a little bit, they get the edge on it. So

1742
01:31:07,840 --> 01:31:10,120
Speaker 1: it's a it's a fine line. And that's and that's

1743
01:31:10,720 --> 01:31:13,040
Speaker 1: that's like a big rule on our team. You know,

1744
01:31:13,720 --> 01:31:17,000
Speaker 1: I position I heard set the edge.

1745
01:31:17,040 --> 01:31:19,080
Speaker 3: There's no edge. I mean because we did do all the.

1746
01:31:19,520 --> 01:31:21,920
Speaker 1: Film in front of everyone, so and you know, there

1747
01:31:22,000 --> 01:31:24,840
Speaker 1: was one time it was it was an interesting team

1748
01:31:24,920 --> 01:31:27,280
Speaker 1: chemistry thing too. And and again this is not throwing

1749
01:31:27,840 --> 01:31:30,439
Speaker 1: shade a player where we went outside of our system

1750
01:31:31,160 --> 01:31:34,800
Speaker 1: and signed to Dahlius Thomas who was a big free

1751
01:31:34,840 --> 01:31:37,640
Speaker 1: agent at time, a really good player, tremendous player in

1752
01:31:37,680 --> 01:31:41,240
Speaker 1: the Baltimore Ravens system and the raven system. I think

1753
01:31:41,360 --> 01:31:43,760
Speaker 1: Rex Ryan was the coordinator at that point in time

1754
01:31:44,000 --> 01:31:47,760
Speaker 1: for the Ravens and just things were different where he

1755
01:31:47,840 --> 01:31:51,439
Speaker 1: had to come in and do our things. That wasn't

1756
01:31:51,720 --> 01:31:53,880
Speaker 1: That was a mistake by us because we brought in

1757
01:31:53,960 --> 01:31:58,559
Speaker 1: this tremendous talent who wasn't the right fit scheme wise,

1758
01:31:58,600 --> 01:32:01,320
Speaker 1: he wasn't the right fit locker room, you know, the

1759
01:32:01,400 --> 01:32:04,559
Speaker 1: chemistry with him and Rabel and and some of it

1760
01:32:04,720 --> 01:32:09,080
Speaker 1: just wasn't right. So sometimes, yeah, you know, just find

1761
01:32:09,120 --> 01:32:12,879
Speaker 1: the right tools and the right makeup is a critical

1762
01:32:12,920 --> 01:32:14,200
Speaker 1: part of the team chemistry.

1763
01:32:14,320 --> 01:32:18,200
Speaker 2: Team chemistry is everything. It can't just be the the

1764
01:32:18,240 --> 01:32:21,400
Speaker 2: extrinsic tools. It has to be the intrinsic tools for

1765
01:32:22,240 --> 01:32:25,200
Speaker 2: that heartbeat to go. Yeah, Jackie, can you break down

1766
01:32:25,240 --> 01:32:25,919
Speaker 2: these Patriots?

1767
01:32:25,960 --> 01:32:27,800
Speaker 1: And yeah, that was Rex Ryan. By the way, we're

1768
01:32:27,840 --> 01:32:31,200
Speaker 1: gonna blind squirrel man. Rex. Hey, don't don't ask me

1769
01:32:31,240 --> 01:32:35,680
Speaker 1: the Pythagorean theorem though, Man square. Yeah, that's the only

1770
01:32:35,680 --> 01:32:38,880
Speaker 1: one I know about that.

1771
01:32:38,920 --> 01:32:41,240
Speaker 5: I care about coordinators and where they were in the

1772
01:32:41,280 --> 01:32:44,280
Speaker 5: early two thousands. Baby, let's get into these Patriots.

1773
01:32:44,360 --> 01:32:45,240
Speaker 1: Huh. All right?

1774
01:32:45,360 --> 01:32:48,840
Speaker 5: Eleven and five the second seed. This was an this

1775
01:32:48,960 --> 01:32:53,280
Speaker 5: coaching staff rocks. Bill Belichick is the head coach, Baby,

1776
01:32:53,479 --> 01:32:56,080
Speaker 5: Charlie Weiss, O c DC.

1777
01:32:56,040 --> 01:32:58,559
Speaker 1: Romeo, Crennell all time. Guys.

1778
01:32:58,720 --> 01:33:01,839
Speaker 5: We talked about some of those notable rookies earlier, Richard Seymour,

1779
01:33:01,960 --> 01:33:04,479
Speaker 5: Matt Light. This was Brady's second year in the league.

1780
01:33:04,800 --> 01:33:07,559
Speaker 5: And just to flashback a little bit prior to this season,

1781
01:33:07,920 --> 01:33:11,599
Speaker 5: Bledsoe gets the ten year, one hundred and three million

1782
01:33:11,680 --> 01:33:13,160
Speaker 5: dollar contract.

1783
01:33:14,080 --> 01:33:17,959
Speaker 1: Man. That was a big one, Man, that's a big one. Yeah,

1784
01:33:18,080 --> 01:33:21,000
Speaker 1: what's say I look for? No, that was a huge contract.

1785
01:33:21,000 --> 01:33:23,000
Speaker 2: And it was the first one hundred million dollar contract

1786
01:33:23,040 --> 01:33:24,960
Speaker 2: in the history of the and that was.

1787
01:33:25,360 --> 01:33:29,920
Speaker 1: Actually agreed to before we came in two thousand, Okay,

1788
01:33:30,320 --> 01:33:33,479
Speaker 1: and and and and again this is it was agreed to,

1789
01:33:33,560 --> 01:33:35,920
Speaker 1: and it was something we were married to, and from

1790
01:33:35,960 --> 01:33:41,160
Speaker 1: a cap perspective, it became really complicated to try to

1791
01:33:41,240 --> 01:33:43,639
Speaker 1: work around, yeah, at that time because it was such

1792
01:33:43,680 --> 01:33:46,040
Speaker 1: a huge portion of the cap at the time.

1793
01:33:46,439 --> 01:33:49,439
Speaker 5: And Brady would take over in week two after the

1794
01:33:49,479 --> 01:33:52,400
Speaker 5: mo Lewis hit that we all remember against the Jets

1795
01:33:52,560 --> 01:33:54,760
Speaker 5: on Week two that year. Brady to go eleven and

1796
01:33:54,800 --> 01:33:57,320
Speaker 5: three as a starter in the regular season and h

1797
01:33:57,600 --> 01:34:01,960
Speaker 5: this was, as Scott talked about earlier, the all time

1798
01:34:02,439 --> 01:34:05,360
Speaker 5: maybe the most impactful group of free agents to come

1799
01:34:05,400 --> 01:34:07,759
Speaker 5: in that season. Just to name a few, we talked

1800
01:34:08,000 --> 01:34:12,240
Speaker 5: Brian Cox, Mike Compton, Mark Edwards, Damon Huet, Larry Izzo,

1801
01:34:12,640 --> 01:34:19,160
Speaker 5: David Patton, Patton Pleasant, unbelievable. Would you say, is it

1802
01:34:19,240 --> 01:34:21,800
Speaker 5: fair to say this is probably the most impactful group

1803
01:34:21,800 --> 01:34:26,439
Speaker 5: of sam They're worth saying, Antoine Smith and Mike Rabel.

1804
01:34:27,080 --> 01:34:29,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, that that that that list goes on and on.

1805
01:34:30,280 --> 01:34:32,479
Speaker 1: It was a It was a big part and it

1806
01:34:32,560 --> 01:34:35,559
Speaker 1: was not only who they were and what they were,

1807
01:34:36,160 --> 01:34:39,759
Speaker 1: it was the price. Again, it was all these players

1808
01:34:39,760 --> 01:34:43,599
Speaker 1: that other teams didn't want or didn't value like we've

1809
01:34:43,640 --> 01:34:46,000
Speaker 1: I mean, Larry Izzo. I'm gonna say this, I think

1810
01:34:46,040 --> 01:34:49,040
Speaker 1: one of the most important free agents of that entire

1811
01:34:49,120 --> 01:34:53,360
Speaker 1: class Mike Compton and Mike Compton is not talked. I

1812
01:34:53,360 --> 01:34:55,840
Speaker 1: get emotional talking about Mike because I loved Mike. So

1813
01:34:55,880 --> 01:34:58,120
Speaker 1: I was a GA at Syracuse when Mike played. They

1814
01:34:58,120 --> 01:35:01,040
Speaker 1: had at West Virginia and and I saw Mike Compton

1815
01:35:01,120 --> 01:35:04,760
Speaker 1: Adrian Morell, the two starting true freshmen. Mike Compton was

1816
01:35:04,800 --> 01:35:07,080
Speaker 1: a hell of a football player, brilliant. If any of

1817
01:35:07,120 --> 01:35:10,160
Speaker 1: you guys have met Mike, you know, Mike sounds real country, yeah,

1818
01:35:10,320 --> 01:35:13,599
Speaker 1: and he's you know, I think he's People don't realize

1819
01:35:13,600 --> 01:35:17,280
Speaker 1: how smart he is. So I, as a pro personnel guy,

1820
01:35:17,360 --> 01:35:20,559
Speaker 1: had watched Compton his whole career at the Lions. Compton

1821
01:35:20,600 --> 01:35:24,920
Speaker 1: had started legitimately at left tackle, left guard, center, right guard,

1822
01:35:25,240 --> 01:35:28,479
Speaker 1: right tackle. He had started I want to say, double

1823
01:35:28,520 --> 01:35:31,760
Speaker 1: digit games or close to double digit games at all

1824
01:35:31,840 --> 01:35:36,160
Speaker 1: five positions. He was primarily a center, All American at

1825
01:35:36,000 --> 01:35:39,800
Speaker 1: a West Virginia. Tremendous player. And when he became available,

1826
01:35:39,800 --> 01:35:42,920
Speaker 1: I want to say, we gave Compton like two hundred

1827
01:35:42,920 --> 01:35:45,800
Speaker 1: grand to sign. But here's the thing and if you

1828
01:35:45,840 --> 01:35:48,960
Speaker 1: want and this is it's so funny when I listened

1829
01:35:49,000 --> 01:35:52,800
Speaker 1: to people talk about these early teams and how much

1830
01:35:52,880 --> 01:36:00,400
Speaker 1: they don't understand some of the truth and the accuracy. Mikempton.

1831
01:36:00,840 --> 01:36:05,559
Speaker 1: Our starting center was Damien Woody. Wood Do you know

1832
01:36:05,600 --> 01:36:08,479
Speaker 1: that every time that we went into shotgun that season,

1833
01:36:08,560 --> 01:36:11,880
Speaker 1: including this game, Woody had to move to left guard

1834
01:36:11,920 --> 01:36:14,600
Speaker 1: and Compton had to move to center and couldn't do

1835
01:36:14,640 --> 01:36:17,320
Speaker 1: the snap because wood He couldn't shotgun snap. He had

1836
01:36:17,320 --> 01:36:23,439
Speaker 1: the knob blocks. Remember, you guys are so so wood

1837
01:36:23,439 --> 01:36:28,679
Speaker 1: he couldn't shotgun snap. So every time Mike Compton's value

1838
01:36:28,720 --> 01:36:32,040
Speaker 1: to that football team and his, you know, our two

1839
01:36:32,080 --> 01:36:35,840
Speaker 1: starting centers. The more you can do this exit, the

1840
01:36:35,880 --> 01:36:37,640
Speaker 1: more you can do. That's what Bill said to me

1841
01:36:37,680 --> 01:36:39,400
Speaker 1: when he hired me. The more you can do that.

1842
01:36:39,439 --> 01:36:41,439
Speaker 1: He just looked at me and I thanked this. Don't

1843
01:36:41,479 --> 01:36:43,160
Speaker 1: thank me, just remember the more you can do, the

1844
01:36:43,160 --> 01:36:45,400
Speaker 1: more you can do. And I was like, Okay, I

1845
01:36:45,400 --> 01:36:48,120
Speaker 1: didn't know what the heck you meant value eat where

1846
01:36:48,120 --> 01:36:50,679
Speaker 1: you can do, the more value you bring to a team. Amen.

1847
01:36:51,400 --> 01:36:53,479
Speaker 1: So those guys, like a guy like Mike Compton for

1848
01:36:53,560 --> 01:36:57,000
Speaker 1: two hundred grand, his the fact that he was so

1849
01:36:57,040 --> 01:37:00,720
Speaker 1: smart and and could shotgun snap. He's the reason we

1850
01:37:00,720 --> 01:37:03,800
Speaker 1: could go to shotgun that year. Now, But can I

1851
01:37:03,840 --> 01:37:06,360
Speaker 1: had one other thing there on the on not a

1852
01:37:06,400 --> 01:37:09,920
Speaker 1: fun fact, but another fact that was, you know, you

1853
01:37:09,960 --> 01:37:13,439
Speaker 1: have the Terry Glenn suspension, there was another awful, awful

1854
01:37:14,080 --> 01:37:18,200
Speaker 1: the chaos that surrounded this football team during training camp,

1855
01:37:18,240 --> 01:37:21,520
Speaker 1: not only because of Terry Glenn's suspension, but our quarterback

1856
01:37:21,560 --> 01:37:27,280
Speaker 1: coach Dick Raybin god Rest, the wonderful coach pastor August

1857
01:37:27,320 --> 01:37:30,960
Speaker 1: eighth of that year, August the third or eighth it was,

1858
01:37:31,479 --> 01:37:34,960
Speaker 1: and had a heart attack. He was run on treadmill,

1859
01:37:35,120 --> 01:37:38,720
Speaker 1: was a day off, gets hospitalized, you know, they think

1860
01:37:38,720 --> 01:37:41,599
Speaker 1: he's going to be okay, and passed the next day.

1861
01:37:42,160 --> 01:37:44,360
Speaker 1: And that was Brady's position coach, right, That was bl

1862
01:37:44,760 --> 01:37:47,120
Speaker 1: He was the quarterback coach, good friend. He was a

1863
01:37:47,120 --> 01:37:49,519
Speaker 1: big reason why we Also he was with the Giants

1864
01:37:49,560 --> 01:37:55,000
Speaker 1: prior to that in two thousand and one. He knew

1865
01:37:55,080 --> 01:37:58,120
Speaker 1: David Patton inside and out because David had been to

1866
01:37:58,160 --> 01:38:01,759
Speaker 1: the Giants previously. So this is where it was important

1867
01:38:01,800 --> 01:38:03,479
Speaker 1: that we not only knew the players, but we knew

1868
01:38:03,479 --> 01:38:05,879
Speaker 1: the makeup of the players. Where we use this village

1869
01:38:05,880 --> 01:38:10,960
Speaker 1: of people to gather and collect information. So the number

1870
01:38:11,080 --> 01:38:15,040
Speaker 1: yes and Terry lenn suspensions plural. It happened. I mean

1871
01:38:15,080 --> 01:38:17,680
Speaker 1: there was so much chaos and what had to be

1872
01:38:17,760 --> 01:38:20,519
Speaker 1: overcome that entire season was it was and then Drew

1873
01:38:20,520 --> 01:38:22,599
Speaker 1: getting hurt. I mean it was a lot. Man. Yeah.

1874
01:38:22,760 --> 01:38:26,080
Speaker 2: I mean we'll get into that, that whole decision and everything,

1875
01:38:26,680 --> 01:38:29,080
Speaker 2: but I really want you to when we come back

1876
01:38:29,080 --> 01:38:31,559
Speaker 2: to Boston, just because this episode is amazing, I really

1877
01:38:31,600 --> 01:38:33,479
Speaker 2: want to have you come back up another time and

1878
01:38:33,520 --> 01:38:37,559
Speaker 2: do the Patriots Browns five playoff round.

1879
01:38:39,439 --> 01:38:42,360
Speaker 6: Yeah, oh yeah, one of the last times the Browns

1880
01:38:42,360 --> 01:38:44,839
Speaker 6: won a playoff game. We have seen that football life.

1881
01:38:44,640 --> 01:38:47,479
Speaker 1: Real quickly saving things. So at that time, the Slappies

1882
01:38:47,520 --> 01:38:54,720
Speaker 1: that the Browns were Phil Savage, Jim Schwartz, myself and

1883
01:38:55,240 --> 01:39:00,720
Speaker 1: Schwartzy and George Coquens and Nick and a sober for

1884
01:39:00,960 --> 01:39:05,920
Speaker 1: We think it's going to be a barbecue. Saint Nick, right,

1885
01:39:06,280 --> 01:39:08,559
Speaker 1: he needs to bring us over. We get there and

1886
01:39:08,600 --> 01:39:12,479
Speaker 1: Miss Terry, his wife, who's like the best. They got

1887
01:39:12,479 --> 01:39:14,640
Speaker 1: all these trees lined up, we had the want us

1888
01:39:14,640 --> 01:39:16,000
Speaker 1: to dig holes and plant trees.

1889
01:39:19,080 --> 01:39:22,080
Speaker 5: You can't even make it up, man, Oh my gosh,

1890
01:39:22,240 --> 01:39:23,240
Speaker 5: so we were like gunshy.

1891
01:39:23,360 --> 01:39:26,960
Speaker 1: So we got invited over for Easter Sunday dinner. Georgie

1892
01:39:26,960 --> 01:39:28,559
Speaker 1: and I are like, are we sure we want to

1893
01:39:28,600 --> 01:39:32,679
Speaker 1: do this? And the ground might still be frozen? Oh,

1894
01:39:32,760 --> 01:39:39,400
Speaker 1: I hope you didn't have your fucking saving.

1895
01:39:39,800 --> 01:39:41,479
Speaker 5: Was he still eating his Little Debbies back then?

1896
01:39:41,560 --> 01:39:44,519
Speaker 1: Oh? He a little Debbie guy. He loves Little Debbie.

1897
01:39:44,560 --> 01:39:47,880
Speaker 1: I was a hostess kid, I was, I wasn't anything.

1898
01:39:48,000 --> 01:39:54,519
Speaker 1: I mean, well whatever it was on sale. All right, Jackie,

1899
01:39:54,560 --> 01:39:56,320
Speaker 1: let's get into the game. Lead up. Let's get into

1900
01:39:56,320 --> 01:39:57,559
Speaker 1: the lead up. This game wrapped up.

1901
01:39:57,600 --> 01:40:00,080
Speaker 5: The pats uh Patriots were coming off a by They

1902
01:40:00,120 --> 01:40:03,000
Speaker 5: had the second seed, so they gotta buy Oakland had

1903
01:40:03,040 --> 01:40:05,719
Speaker 5: to get in the wild card round crush the Jets

1904
01:40:05,720 --> 01:40:08,200
Speaker 5: after losing to him in the final week of the season.

1905
01:40:08,560 --> 01:40:12,559
Speaker 5: During the day, pretty clear weather, gold but clear. Then

1906
01:40:13,160 --> 01:40:17,479
Speaker 5: as nightfall comes, that thick, thick, thick stuff starts falling,

1907
01:40:17,680 --> 01:40:20,360
Speaker 5: big old thick flakes. And this was, believe it or not,

1908
01:40:20,400 --> 01:40:24,639
Speaker 5: I believe the NFL's first ever primetime playoff game. Wow,

1909
01:40:24,840 --> 01:40:27,240
Speaker 5: which sounds nuts.

1910
01:40:26,840 --> 01:40:28,400
Speaker 1: They were always in the day.

1911
01:40:28,760 --> 01:40:31,640
Speaker 5: Yeah, up until that point. We gotta quadruple check that.

1912
01:40:31,720 --> 01:40:34,519
Speaker 5: But after three checks it's it's what they're saying, which

1913
01:40:34,560 --> 01:40:37,519
Speaker 5: is nuts to me. And in a building that would

1914
01:40:37,560 --> 01:40:40,679
Speaker 5: be the last game at Foxborough Stadium.

1915
01:40:40,800 --> 01:40:43,160
Speaker 1: This guy was it as gross as people said it was.

1916
01:40:43,280 --> 01:40:46,120
Speaker 1: I don't want to say gross, but as bad. It

1917
01:40:46,160 --> 01:40:49,320
Speaker 1: was pretty bad. Pepper Johnson, our defensive line coach, Pepe

1918
01:40:49,600 --> 01:40:53,960
Speaker 1: so pep was down in his meeting room because there

1919
01:40:53,960 --> 01:40:58,040
Speaker 1: wasn't enough meeting rooms was the visitor's locker, and there

1920
01:40:58,040 --> 01:41:01,640
Speaker 1: were a couple of some we couldn't determine if there

1921
01:41:01,640 --> 01:41:03,439
Speaker 1: were rats or mice, but it was kind of like

1922
01:41:03,680 --> 01:41:07,920
Speaker 1: Michael Jackson where he had names for the rats, had

1923
01:41:07,920 --> 01:41:11,000
Speaker 1: a couple of the rats name, but a couple of

1924
01:41:11,000 --> 01:41:12,920
Speaker 1: things on these facts. So you talk about the bye week,

1925
01:41:13,320 --> 01:41:17,080
Speaker 1: what's crazy was we had a bye week before our

1926
01:41:17,120 --> 01:41:20,240
Speaker 1: final regular season game played, I want to say the

1927
01:41:20,280 --> 01:41:21,200
Speaker 1: Panthers last.

1928
01:41:21,080 --> 01:41:24,479
Speaker 3: Week of the September eleventh season.

1929
01:41:24,800 --> 01:41:28,160
Speaker 1: Julesy. That's the other thing. Yeah, thank you for bringing

1930
01:41:28,160 --> 01:41:29,320
Speaker 1: that up because I meant to bring that up here

1931
01:41:29,320 --> 01:41:32,680
Speaker 1: in New York or how did that hit you? That was?

1932
01:41:32,720 --> 01:41:35,599
Speaker 2: That's I mean for anyone that's a customer or anyone

1933
01:41:35,800 --> 01:41:38,880
Speaker 2: close to that city, you know, especially and then being

1934
01:41:38,920 --> 01:41:41,280
Speaker 2: a Patriot and then the run you guys are going

1935
01:41:41,320 --> 01:41:44,240
Speaker 2: on like this had to have some this is for America.

1936
01:41:44,280 --> 01:41:47,639
Speaker 1: It was so the whole We'll talk about this a little.

1937
01:41:48,040 --> 01:41:50,880
Speaker 1: So my hometown. I grew up in Washingtonville, New York.

1938
01:41:50,960 --> 01:41:53,960
Speaker 1: My hometown is one of the one of those nineteen

1939
01:41:54,080 --> 01:41:58,640
Speaker 1: sixties white flight communities where in the mid sixties a

1940
01:41:58,680 --> 01:42:01,760
Speaker 1: lot of white people were moving out of New York City.

1941
01:42:01,760 --> 01:42:04,160
Speaker 1: My dad's from Bronx, moms from Queens, they were living

1942
01:42:04,160 --> 01:42:06,680
Speaker 1: in the Bronx. They moved out in sixty four. This

1943
01:42:06,760 --> 01:42:13,360
Speaker 1: community of Washingtonville and blooming Grove was filled with civil

1944
01:42:13,400 --> 01:42:17,960
Speaker 1: servants because city cops, city fireman union workers really couldn't

1945
01:42:17,960 --> 01:42:20,600
Speaker 1: afford to live in the city and they wanted to

1946
01:42:20,640 --> 01:42:28,160
Speaker 1: move out. And m yeah, yeah, it's tough. Seven people

1947
01:42:28,160 --> 01:42:31,680
Speaker 1: from my hometown. Yeah, city cops, city fireman it was.

1948
01:42:32,280 --> 01:42:35,160
Speaker 1: And then just so many people. Here's here's the here's

1949
01:42:35,160 --> 01:42:36,680
Speaker 1: the crazy part. I want to loop back to someone

1950
01:42:36,680 --> 01:42:38,320
Speaker 1: we were talking about before. I remember we were talking about

1951
01:42:38,320 --> 01:42:42,559
Speaker 1: the dysfunction part, about this game being like a drug.

1952
01:42:43,000 --> 01:42:45,639
Speaker 1: I remember exactly what happened that morning, exactly where we were.

1953
01:42:46,200 --> 01:42:49,400
Speaker 1: There was something going on, and I think it was

1954
01:42:49,520 --> 01:42:52,040
Speaker 1: I think the conversation Bill and I were having. Bill's

1955
01:42:52,040 --> 01:42:54,160
Speaker 1: office was downstairs in the old Foxboro Stadium. We were

1956
01:42:54,200 --> 01:42:57,840
Speaker 1: upstairs and there was something going on, and I think

1957
01:42:57,840 --> 01:43:02,360
Speaker 1: it was Terry Glenn related, and it was early in

1958
01:43:02,400 --> 01:43:06,519
Speaker 1: the morning and it was intense. I was locked in

1959
01:43:07,080 --> 01:43:10,640
Speaker 1: and I came upstairs and the moon felt weird. But

1960
01:43:10,760 --> 01:43:15,200
Speaker 1: I was like so on track that I wasn't picking up.

1961
01:43:15,200 --> 01:43:17,280
Speaker 1: And this is where one of my shortcomings. I didn't

1962
01:43:17,479 --> 01:43:19,439
Speaker 1: there were times where I would get so focused so

1963
01:43:20,840 --> 01:43:24,240
Speaker 1: that I would miss cues. For the most part, I'm

1964
01:43:24,280 --> 01:43:25,679
Speaker 1: good at it, but this was one of those mornings

1965
01:43:25,680 --> 01:43:28,200
Speaker 1: I was missing CU's. I came upstairs, walked past Nancy,

1966
01:43:28,920 --> 01:43:32,439
Speaker 1: and there's something going on. I went back downstairs. We're

1967
01:43:32,479 --> 01:43:35,160
Speaker 1: getting amped up. Bill and I. We have no idea

1968
01:43:35,520 --> 01:43:38,240
Speaker 1: this had happened already. And I'm coming up the stairs

1969
01:43:38,280 --> 01:43:40,439
Speaker 1: and I walked by, and I see everyone's looking at

1970
01:43:40,439 --> 01:43:43,280
Speaker 1: their TVs. And it was always a pet peeve of

1971
01:43:43,320 --> 01:43:45,880
Speaker 1: mine when people at work would watch their TVs. Everyone's

1972
01:43:45,880 --> 01:43:48,720
Speaker 1: looking at TVs. And I walked by, nancey, I go, hey,

1973
01:43:48,800 --> 01:43:53,479
Speaker 1: is anyone working today? I said, why, what's on TV? Here?

1974
01:43:54,160 --> 01:43:56,479
Speaker 1: And I didn't see because all the TVs were turned

1975
01:43:56,520 --> 01:43:58,880
Speaker 1: so you couldn't see unless you were and it was

1976
01:43:59,000 --> 01:44:02,040
Speaker 1: other people in their office is too and Miss Nancy,

1977
01:44:02,160 --> 01:44:06,719
Speaker 1: who you know, is the sweetest lady. She's the longest

1978
01:44:06,800 --> 01:44:10,720
Speaker 1: tenor patriot in the organization. She was. She was there

1979
01:44:10,760 --> 01:44:13,160
Speaker 1: when Parcels was there as an assistant, then as a

1980
01:44:13,200 --> 01:44:16,240
Speaker 1: head coach. Miss Nancy just looks at me. She goes, Scott,

1981
01:44:16,479 --> 01:44:18,080
Speaker 1: do you know what's going on right now? And this

1982
01:44:18,160 --> 01:44:20,920
Speaker 1: is a apparently like an hour after this had happened,

1983
01:44:21,479 --> 01:44:23,000
Speaker 1: and she's I was like, what are you talking about?

1984
01:44:23,120 --> 01:44:25,680
Speaker 1: You know, I'm not very patient. She goes, I think

1985
01:44:25,720 --> 01:44:28,880
Speaker 1: you better look at this, and it was it was

1986
01:44:29,200 --> 01:44:32,120
Speaker 1: September eleventh, and I was like, it was. It was

1987
01:44:32,160 --> 01:44:34,240
Speaker 1: one of those moments. It kind of snapped me into

1988
01:44:34,400 --> 01:44:37,840
Speaker 1: like I need to get a grip here because there's

1989
01:44:37,920 --> 01:44:41,040
Speaker 1: more to do. Anyway, it was, it was. It was

1990
01:44:41,120 --> 01:44:44,080
Speaker 1: a really weird kind of you know that was.

1991
01:44:44,240 --> 01:44:46,240
Speaker 2: I mean, we all know where we were. I remember it,

1992
01:44:46,439 --> 01:44:48,040
Speaker 2: you know, being on the West coast, and it was

1993
01:44:49,120 --> 01:44:52,439
Speaker 2: it was. It was something that will never forget in

1994
01:44:52,520 --> 01:44:57,559
Speaker 2: our generation. It's this is our generation's Kennedy assassination. You know,

1995
01:44:57,680 --> 01:45:00,400
Speaker 2: Then the next generation they'll be thinking of cod and

1996
01:45:00,640 --> 01:45:03,519
Speaker 2: you know, like that that was one of the things

1997
01:45:03,600 --> 01:45:07,000
Speaker 2: that we were three thousand miles away and it was like, oh,

1998
01:45:07,040 --> 01:45:09,920
Speaker 2: this is crazy, Like it was just a scary time.

1999
01:45:09,960 --> 01:45:11,400
Speaker 1: You didn't know what was going on.

2000
01:45:12,120 --> 01:45:15,000
Speaker 2: The outlets of media were so much different in that

2001
01:45:15,320 --> 01:45:18,080
Speaker 2: day and age, where you were just glued to a

2002
01:45:18,160 --> 01:45:20,800
Speaker 2: TV instead of nowadays. We all would have saw that

2003
01:45:20,840 --> 01:45:23,880
Speaker 2: and had a buzzer alert on our phone, right, you

2004
01:45:23,960 --> 01:45:26,120
Speaker 2: know what I mean, And you would have known instantly.

2005
01:45:26,160 --> 01:45:28,479
Speaker 1: But yeah, my mind's going to a million miles because

2006
01:45:28,479 --> 01:45:31,160
Speaker 1: I'm thinking, like all my buddies I graduated, so many

2007
01:45:31,160 --> 01:45:33,680
Speaker 1: guys were they were city cops and city firemen, their

2008
01:45:33,760 --> 01:45:37,080
Speaker 1: parents were, and that's what they were doing now, and

2009
01:45:37,120 --> 01:45:42,160
Speaker 1: it was yeah, it was it was so then it.

2010
01:45:41,240 --> 01:45:43,519
Speaker 6: What was that moment? Like then the first came back

2011
01:45:43,680 --> 01:45:45,760
Speaker 6: against the Jets, the Joe and Drewsy.

2012
01:45:45,520 --> 01:45:48,320
Speaker 1: It were like the whole couple of weeks of surreal,

2013
01:45:48,600 --> 01:45:54,240
Speaker 1: you know, because Joey's Joe's brothers were city firemen and

2014
01:45:54,840 --> 01:45:58,040
Speaker 1: it was surreal, you know, and there was this whole thing.

2015
01:45:58,120 --> 01:46:00,559
Speaker 1: You're trying to focus on your job, yet your country

2016
01:46:00,560 --> 01:46:03,519
Speaker 1: had been attacked and you're trying to you're part of

2017
01:46:03,560 --> 01:46:08,000
Speaker 1: our program is you compartmentalize everything in order to get

2018
01:46:08,040 --> 01:46:10,599
Speaker 1: your job done. It's the blessing and the curse that

2019
01:46:10,640 --> 01:46:15,639
Speaker 1: we are right. And so it was tough. And when

2020
01:46:15,720 --> 01:46:18,120
Speaker 1: when they came out and you know, Joe, Joe had

2021
01:46:18,160 --> 01:46:21,680
Speaker 1: the flags of flags and it was just it was

2022
01:46:21,720 --> 01:46:23,799
Speaker 1: emotional on a lot of levels.

2023
01:46:24,160 --> 01:46:27,240
Speaker 2: Right, So did you guys feel going into this playoff?

2024
01:46:27,320 --> 01:46:30,040
Speaker 2: Did you guys have a like a feeling like it

2025
01:46:30,120 --> 01:46:33,720
Speaker 2: was bigger than the sport that the Patriots should win or.

2026
01:46:34,200 --> 01:46:39,559
Speaker 1: I know, the outside the because like you, well, let's

2027
01:46:39,560 --> 01:46:40,559
Speaker 1: get inside the building.

2028
01:46:40,600 --> 01:46:43,559
Speaker 2: You're you're not really thinking about all that stuff. You're

2029
01:46:43,600 --> 01:46:46,600
Speaker 2: literally thinking about your game plan and stuff. But you know,

2030
01:46:46,640 --> 01:46:49,120
Speaker 2: there's got to be there's guys talking in the locker room.

2031
01:46:49,160 --> 01:46:50,920
Speaker 1: So let's you and I give an honest answer here.

2032
01:46:51,640 --> 01:46:55,120
Speaker 1: Let's get know the reality is right, you focus, you

2033
01:46:55,280 --> 01:46:58,960
Speaker 1: lock down in the deep dark recesses. There's that thing

2034
01:46:59,000 --> 01:47:01,439
Speaker 1: playing around my course, course we're thinking about it. Of

2035
01:47:01,479 --> 01:47:03,720
Speaker 1: course it's being talked about, but you better not say

2036
01:47:03,760 --> 01:47:06,280
Speaker 1: it out loud, say it out loud, you know, because

2037
01:47:06,280 --> 01:47:09,320
Speaker 1: again then you're not and it's not even a fear

2038
01:47:09,479 --> 01:47:11,439
Speaker 1: of for the players, it's not even a fear of

2039
01:47:11,520 --> 01:47:13,679
Speaker 1: bill thing. It's your teammates too.

2040
01:47:13,760 --> 01:47:16,080
Speaker 2: You don't want to you don't want to fluster a guy.

2041
01:47:16,200 --> 01:47:18,320
Speaker 2: You don't know how someone else is going to react.

2042
01:47:18,439 --> 01:47:20,679
Speaker 2: You don't know if someone will tense up too much,

2043
01:47:20,720 --> 01:47:22,120
Speaker 2: it'll put more pressure on a guy.

2044
01:47:22,200 --> 01:47:25,400
Speaker 1: So everyone kind of does tries to do their own thing. Yeah,

2045
01:47:25,840 --> 01:47:28,559
Speaker 1: and you know, it's funny you mentioned too, the last

2046
01:47:28,560 --> 01:47:31,599
Speaker 1: game played at Foxboros Stadum. Here's a cool fact about that.

2047
01:47:32,360 --> 01:47:36,320
Speaker 1: The stadium, Foxborough Stadium was supposed to be demolished on

2048
01:47:36,400 --> 01:47:40,800
Speaker 1: December twenty third, the day after that last home game,

2049
01:47:41,320 --> 01:47:43,439
Speaker 1: and they could they couldn't do it because we didn't know,

2050
01:47:43,720 --> 01:47:45,040
Speaker 1: you know, there's a chance we're gonna have a home

2051
01:47:45,040 --> 01:47:49,599
Speaker 1: playoff game. So that Foxborough Stadium was amazing. That game,

2052
01:47:49,800 --> 01:47:52,200
Speaker 1: Like we talk about this game setting the stage for

2053
01:47:53,120 --> 01:47:56,920
Speaker 1: the Patriots, the beginning of the beginning of the dynasty.

2054
01:47:57,280 --> 01:48:00,200
Speaker 1: It was also like such an incredibly emotional game. Was

2055
01:48:00,280 --> 01:48:03,679
Speaker 1: nine to eleven. It was we weren't supposed to be there,

2056
01:48:04,040 --> 01:48:07,520
Speaker 1: it was the last home game, it was the holiday.

2057
01:48:07,560 --> 01:48:09,840
Speaker 1: You know, there's just like this whole thing, and then

2058
01:48:10,640 --> 01:48:13,360
Speaker 1: there's this one part I'll never forget. You know, when

2059
01:48:13,400 --> 01:48:15,120
Speaker 1: we were up in the press box and we're sitting

2060
01:48:15,120 --> 01:48:19,720
Speaker 1: next to Ernie, and Ernie had to had towels with him.

2061
01:48:19,760 --> 01:48:22,120
Speaker 1: This is Ernie was always prepared. I don't know if

2062
01:48:22,200 --> 01:48:25,000
Speaker 1: Ernie was ever a boy scout he was, but but

2063
01:48:25,240 --> 01:48:28,200
Speaker 1: I bet he is the most prepared the towels for

2064
01:48:28,800 --> 01:48:34,559
Speaker 1: because inside the press the coaches booth, the windows would

2065
01:48:34,560 --> 01:48:36,760
Speaker 1: fog up and steam up. So if there was ever

2066
01:48:37,000 --> 01:48:39,880
Speaker 1: rain or snow, because of the heat inside, the windows

2067
01:48:39,920 --> 01:48:43,360
Speaker 1: would fog up. He's up there doing the windows. Why

2068
01:48:43,400 --> 01:48:45,960
Speaker 1: he's watching the game curse and Ernie, Ernie is a

2069
01:48:45,960 --> 01:48:47,240
Speaker 1: great cursor.

2070
01:48:46,880 --> 01:48:51,640
Speaker 5: Because really Ernie on games with names but he no.

2071
01:48:51,760 --> 01:48:55,560
Speaker 7: But the thing is he's not. He's not a wasteful

2072
01:48:55,600 --> 01:49:01,200
Speaker 7: curse a right, yeah he when he emphasis, oh yeah,

2073
01:49:01,640 --> 01:49:03,559
Speaker 7: and he makes account but he he was.

2074
01:49:03,560 --> 01:49:05,280
Speaker 1: There was some cursing going on when he's trying to

2075
01:49:05,280 --> 01:49:07,880
Speaker 1: clean windows and do his job and look at things

2076
01:49:08,040 --> 01:49:10,800
Speaker 1: and be on the headset with Bill. Just but during

2077
01:49:10,840 --> 01:49:14,920
Speaker 1: that game, especially because the snow, you literally like the

2078
01:49:15,240 --> 01:49:17,280
Speaker 1: game tying field goal, I don't know if any of

2079
01:49:17,320 --> 01:49:21,719
Speaker 1: us really fully saw the ball the whole time across

2080
01:49:21,760 --> 01:49:24,639
Speaker 1: the crossbar. It was because it was a far away

2081
01:49:24,760 --> 01:49:26,400
Speaker 1: end zone and it was snowing.

2082
01:49:26,800 --> 01:49:30,800
Speaker 6: Yeah, now Ernie have like, hey, go on the field early, like, oh,

2083
01:49:30,840 --> 01:49:32,639
Speaker 6: we need to have the seven Steads or we need

2084
01:49:32,640 --> 01:49:33,280
Speaker 6: to have the like.

2085
01:49:33,439 --> 01:49:36,479
Speaker 1: Ernie, I'm telling you what. Ernie is one of my

2086
01:49:36,520 --> 01:49:39,800
Speaker 1: favorite people on the planet. Yeah he uh so, I'll

2087
01:49:39,800 --> 01:49:44,720
Speaker 1: tell you a quick story, Ernie Cleveland story. It was

2088
01:49:44,800 --> 01:49:47,639
Speaker 1: my second so I got to know. It was my

2089
01:49:48,200 --> 01:49:52,200
Speaker 1: my first year in Cleveland ninety two and there was

2090
01:49:52,240 --> 01:49:56,800
Speaker 1: like a group of us sharing this office, the Slappies.

2091
01:49:56,840 --> 01:49:59,759
Speaker 1: It was the Slappy Dead and it was one office,

2092
01:50:00,040 --> 01:50:01,880
Speaker 1: small office for normal people. They had three of us

2093
01:50:01,880 --> 01:50:03,800
Speaker 1: in it. I'll never forget. It was real. Early in

2094
01:50:03,800 --> 01:50:08,559
Speaker 1: the morning, Ernie shows up and it's March thirty first

2095
01:50:08,760 --> 01:50:12,080
Speaker 1: of nineteen ninety two, started leading New Year league. It's

2096
01:50:12,120 --> 01:50:12,719
Speaker 1: my birthday.

2097
01:50:12,840 --> 01:50:16,040
Speaker 6: Oh, March thirty first, it's my dad's birthday.

2098
01:50:16,040 --> 01:50:18,960
Speaker 1: I saw it. I realized, But you know who else's birthday?

2099
01:50:18,960 --> 01:50:22,920
Speaker 1: It is Ernie's. Ernie's we have the same birthday. Ernie

2100
01:50:23,000 --> 01:50:25,240
Speaker 1: walks in and again, Now mind you, I I was

2101
01:50:25,360 --> 01:50:27,479
Speaker 1: just getting to know Ernie. And Ernie is this guy

2102
01:50:27,520 --> 01:50:29,920
Speaker 1: that no one knew, even those of us who worked

2103
01:50:29,920 --> 01:50:32,000
Speaker 1: with him early on. He was this man of mystery,

2104
01:50:32,400 --> 01:50:37,400
Speaker 1: not international, just a domestic man of mystery. And he

2105
01:50:37,520 --> 01:50:41,400
Speaker 1: walks in. I'll never forget. And then Ernie he goes so,

2106
01:50:42,400 --> 01:50:45,160
Speaker 1: I say, it's your birthday and he puts a cupcake

2107
01:50:46,520 --> 01:50:51,200
Speaker 1: on my desk. He says happy birthday and walks out,

2108
01:50:52,080 --> 01:50:56,840
Speaker 1: and you're laughing. But I'm gonna tell you this, from

2109
01:50:56,840 --> 01:51:00,479
Speaker 1: that moment on, Ernie was my guy. That's because that's

2110
01:51:00,479 --> 01:51:02,799
Speaker 1: part of Ernie. And you worked with Ernie around. Ernie

2111
01:51:02,840 --> 01:51:08,559
Speaker 1: doesn't always show emotion. He doesn't always show Ernie. He

2112
01:51:08,640 --> 01:51:11,200
Speaker 1: is a dude. Man. Yeah, I'm getting emotional talking about it.

2113
01:51:11,840 --> 01:51:14,519
Speaker 1: I love Ernie. I love his wife Christine. I was

2114
01:51:14,520 --> 01:51:17,160
Speaker 1: at their wedding. You know, it's like that that moment

2115
01:51:17,200 --> 01:51:18,800
Speaker 1: was one of those things. It was like, Okay, here's

2116
01:51:18,800 --> 01:51:21,040
Speaker 1: this guy that and and here's what used to piss

2117
01:51:21,080 --> 01:51:23,519
Speaker 1: me off. And Ernie knows that some folks used to

2118
01:51:23,520 --> 01:51:27,519
Speaker 1: clown him and and and I never appreciated that. They

2119
01:51:27,560 --> 01:51:31,080
Speaker 1: never right, because I think people were afraid of him.

2120
01:51:31,080 --> 01:51:33,000
Speaker 1: They were intimidating. And what do people do when they're

2121
01:51:33,200 --> 01:51:37,719
Speaker 1: especially dudes football dudes, right, they kind of it's Yeah,

2122
01:51:37,760 --> 01:51:39,880
Speaker 1: So that that that that's like one of my favorite

2123
01:51:39,960 --> 01:51:43,439
Speaker 1: Ernie stories from that moment on I knew who Ernie was.

2124
01:51:44,760 --> 01:51:47,080
Speaker 1: He didn't know me, but he gave me a cupcake.

2125
01:51:47,880 --> 01:51:49,400
Speaker 1: He said, had this little place that he used to

2126
01:51:49,400 --> 01:51:51,360
Speaker 1: stop and he gave me cupcake on my birthday. I

2127
01:51:51,360 --> 01:51:54,360
Speaker 1: mean that is just again I probably sounds weird, but.

2128
01:51:56,080 --> 01:51:59,800
Speaker 2: Ernie and your Ernie impression, that's perfect. Spot how how

2129
01:52:00,040 --> 01:52:02,760
Speaker 2: how was watching this game? Like what's watching a game?

2130
01:52:02,920 --> 01:52:03,920
Speaker 2: Like a whole game?

2131
01:52:04,040 --> 01:52:07,759
Speaker 3: Like with Ernie, it's awesome.

2132
01:52:08,080 --> 01:52:12,120
Speaker 1: Killed. So we literally sat next to each other in

2133
01:52:12,160 --> 01:52:16,400
Speaker 1: the coach for those nine seasons, every single game. And

2134
01:52:18,000 --> 01:52:19,720
Speaker 1: you know he's on the phones and he had a

2135
01:52:19,800 --> 01:52:22,960
Speaker 1: special switcher. So here here's the thing. Ernie had his

2136
01:52:23,760 --> 01:52:26,400
Speaker 1: his headphones, but he has a special switcher where he

2137
01:52:26,439 --> 01:52:28,840
Speaker 1: could be on offense, defense or special teams like the

2138
01:52:28,880 --> 01:52:32,280
Speaker 1: head coach. He had a head coaching headset. Okay, but

2139
01:52:32,360 --> 01:52:35,320
Speaker 1: he also had the batphone. There's always you know how

2140
01:52:35,320 --> 01:52:39,360
Speaker 1: they have the sideline to phone, the red phone. Ernie had.

2141
01:52:39,360 --> 01:52:41,920
Speaker 1: The batphone was right in front of him and Ernie.

2142
01:52:43,320 --> 01:52:45,559
Speaker 1: So much of our situational football. And again, I don't

2143
01:52:45,560 --> 01:52:47,639
Speaker 1: know if this has ever been talked about. Maybe it has,

2144
01:52:47,920 --> 01:52:52,280
Speaker 1: but so much of our situational football and Bills attention

2145
01:52:53,080 --> 01:52:58,360
Speaker 1: on field, in game, attention to situational football and potential

2146
01:52:58,400 --> 01:53:04,320
Speaker 1: situations very and Ernie would say, hey, Bill, don't forget

2147
01:53:04,520 --> 01:53:07,639
Speaker 1: X y Z, you know when it came to the wind, Ernie.

2148
01:53:08,040 --> 01:53:10,080
Speaker 1: Because Bill's got so much going. It's not that Bill

2149
01:53:10,160 --> 01:53:14,760
Speaker 1: didn't know these things. He's doing so many things. That's

2150
01:53:14,760 --> 01:53:19,960
Speaker 1: why that in game partnership along with the coordinators and

2151
01:53:20,040 --> 01:53:23,479
Speaker 1: again not just you know, offense and defense. Like so,

2152
01:53:23,560 --> 01:53:25,479
Speaker 1: I watched this snowball game for the first time on

2153
01:53:25,560 --> 01:53:28,760
Speaker 1: TV ever before we're doing this, and there were just

2154
01:53:28,800 --> 01:53:32,200
Speaker 1: little things that you saw, Like right before the overtime

2155
01:53:33,120 --> 01:53:36,519
Speaker 1: coin toss, they cut to the sideline, they show Bill

2156
01:53:36,640 --> 01:53:39,920
Speaker 1: and who's talking with Bill, but brad Seely, who's a

2157
01:53:39,920 --> 01:53:42,479
Speaker 1: special teams coach. You know where we're gonna kick, you

2158
01:53:42,520 --> 01:53:45,720
Speaker 1: know if and I know in that moment, in my

2159
01:53:45,800 --> 01:53:48,840
Speaker 1: mind's eye, I know that that conversation going on. It's

2160
01:53:48,880 --> 01:53:52,160
Speaker 1: not just Bill and brad Seely, it's Ernie Adams, you know,

2161
01:53:52,240 --> 01:53:54,800
Speaker 1: on the headphones with Bill. So it's it's a he's

2162
01:53:55,680 --> 01:54:02,200
Speaker 1: Ernie Batman. He's Alfred clearly said this before that is

2163
01:54:02,640 --> 01:54:03,760
Speaker 1: standings on.

2164
01:54:03,920 --> 01:54:05,400
Speaker 2: You know, when Bill has to go out and do it.

2165
01:54:05,400 --> 01:54:07,720
Speaker 2: But Alfred's back in there. Hey you got a guy

2166
01:54:07,720 --> 01:54:08,080
Speaker 2: over here.

2167
01:54:08,800 --> 01:54:11,080
Speaker 1: Wow, look at you. It's kind of kind of what

2168
01:54:11,120 --> 01:54:13,360
Speaker 1: it is. But on you said you're not wordman, but

2169
01:54:13,439 --> 01:54:17,320
Speaker 1: you just pulled Alfred out that movie word movie word.

2170
01:54:17,400 --> 01:54:17,599
Speaker 5: See.

2171
01:54:17,600 --> 01:54:18,880
Speaker 1: I never saw the Batman movies.

2172
01:54:20,600 --> 01:54:20,840
Speaker 5: Books.

2173
01:54:20,840 --> 01:54:22,840
Speaker 1: You gotta you gotta listen. I saw the old the

2174
01:54:22,880 --> 01:54:25,640
Speaker 1: old series back in you know when you know with

2175
01:54:25,680 --> 01:54:26,439
Speaker 1: the po and the.

2176
01:54:28,920 --> 01:54:31,760
Speaker 2: Uh, you gotta watch the Christopher Nolan wants. We'll get

2177
01:54:31,760 --> 01:54:32,720
Speaker 2: into that around here.

2178
01:54:32,840 --> 01:54:34,960
Speaker 6: Jewels is more of a Robin to our Denny a Mandola,

2179
01:54:35,000 --> 01:54:35,760
Speaker 6: which is a Batman.

2180
01:54:38,280 --> 01:54:41,000
Speaker 1: There's a lot I see. I wasn't around for that time.

2181
01:54:41,560 --> 01:54:44,360
Speaker 1: There's a lot outside looking at who would you say?

2182
01:54:44,400 --> 01:54:48,520
Speaker 1: Is Batman? Kind of like not knowing Seinfeld? Right, I don't.

2183
01:54:48,520 --> 01:54:51,880
Speaker 1: There's certain things relationships of I was there for the

2184
01:54:51,880 --> 01:54:54,200
Speaker 1: first decade, right, and then there's this whole second day

2185
01:54:54,400 --> 01:54:57,320
Speaker 1: it is second decade that that I don't. There's there's

2186
01:54:57,360 --> 01:54:59,520
Speaker 1: a lot of stuff I can learn. There's but there's

2187
01:54:59,720 --> 01:55:02,920
Speaker 1: it's a a lot of it's the same. It's different,

2188
01:55:02,960 --> 01:55:05,160
Speaker 1: but it's the fucking characters are the same. The names

2189
01:55:05,160 --> 01:55:05,760
Speaker 1: are just different.

2190
01:55:06,240 --> 01:55:08,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, It's kind of like when Scar would go and

2191
01:55:08,200 --> 01:55:11,600
Speaker 2: we'd be Scarnekio would sit there and we'd be studying

2192
01:55:11,640 --> 01:55:12,200
Speaker 2: another team.

2193
01:55:12,320 --> 01:55:16,320
Speaker 1: All right, assholes, it's the same cars, just different license plates.

2194
01:55:16,440 --> 01:55:18,680
Speaker 1: I mean, the scheme is the exact same, just the

2195
01:55:18,760 --> 01:55:24,720
Speaker 1: number is different. Is the best man, So let's get back.

2196
01:55:24,880 --> 01:55:26,880
Speaker 6: Before we move on, Ernie, just one last thing. I'd

2197
01:55:26,880 --> 01:55:28,520
Speaker 6: be a bad proser if I just didn't ask, because

2198
01:55:28,560 --> 01:55:30,680
Speaker 6: ernieone ever tell us, do you know what pink stripe is?

2199
01:55:30,920 --> 01:55:31,640
Speaker 1: Pink stripes?

2200
01:55:32,240 --> 01:55:34,640
Speaker 6: Anything about that? It might be a later on thing.

2201
01:55:34,640 --> 01:55:38,560
Speaker 1: It was certain family businesses, family business. It's family business,

2202
01:55:38,600 --> 01:55:39,400
Speaker 1: family business.

2203
01:55:39,760 --> 01:55:41,920
Speaker 6: Except real answer. I just had to do my job that.

2204
01:55:42,640 --> 01:55:46,160
Speaker 1: I can't tell. He told me, but I can't tell. Yeah,

2205
01:55:46,160 --> 01:55:52,880
Speaker 1: he told me too. Oh fuck, all right, Jackie, let's go,

2206
01:55:52,880 --> 01:55:54,480
Speaker 1: come on, we gotta get in this, all right?

2207
01:55:54,600 --> 01:55:56,120
Speaker 5: Should we pop into the game here a little bit?

2208
01:55:56,600 --> 01:55:58,120
Speaker 5: I think we first got a talk. It's got we

2209
01:55:58,160 --> 01:56:01,440
Speaker 5: love on this pod. We love ref talk because there

2210
01:56:01,440 --> 01:56:06,280
Speaker 5: would be a little officiating nuance late in this one, foreshadowing.

2211
01:56:06,440 --> 01:56:10,600
Speaker 1: We got Walt Coleman for ye oh, Walt Coleman.

2212
01:56:10,200 --> 01:56:14,280
Speaker 5: Baby starting off, love you, Walt uh starting off on

2213
01:56:14,360 --> 01:56:17,960
Speaker 5: this one scoreless first quarter Patriots him up first down

2214
01:56:18,000 --> 01:56:21,520
Speaker 5: in the first quarter, then early to start the second quarter,

2215
01:56:22,080 --> 01:56:27,560
Speaker 5: a critical kick catch interference leads to a some better

2216
01:56:27,600 --> 01:56:30,000
Speaker 5: field position for Oakland. They get on the board first

2217
01:56:30,040 --> 01:56:32,480
Speaker 5: with a James Jet touchdown seven nothing.

2218
01:56:32,960 --> 01:56:34,240
Speaker 1: It would stay that way till a half.

2219
01:56:34,720 --> 01:56:36,240
Speaker 3: Now, what are you thinking about right now?

2220
01:56:36,360 --> 01:56:39,480
Speaker 1: When you're when you when he's going over these here's

2221
01:56:39,520 --> 01:56:41,800
Speaker 1: the thing that hits you in the head A couple things.

2222
01:56:41,840 --> 01:56:45,920
Speaker 1: So we prided ourselves. We one of our sayings, and

2223
01:56:45,960 --> 01:56:49,760
Speaker 1: you remember is more games are lost than they are

2224
01:56:49,880 --> 01:56:53,160
Speaker 1: one when you we made that had that penalty on

2225
01:56:53,280 --> 01:56:58,480
Speaker 1: the the interference, the kicker interference inference. Yeah, uh, it

2226
01:56:58,560 --> 01:57:01,440
Speaker 1: led to a touchdown because gave them the shorter field.

2227
01:57:01,520 --> 01:57:04,360
Speaker 1: That's how they scored their touchdown and their only touchdown

2228
01:57:04,400 --> 01:57:09,720
Speaker 1: in the game. And that was anti Patriot right. And

2229
01:57:09,760 --> 01:57:13,080
Speaker 1: the crazy thing is that game there were only five penalties.

2230
01:57:13,200 --> 01:57:15,880
Speaker 1: That was the only penalty that we had that game

2231
01:57:15,880 --> 01:57:18,040
Speaker 1: and it led to points and almost bit us in

2232
01:57:18,080 --> 01:57:20,560
Speaker 1: the butt. So when I'm thinking, I get it, it's crazy.

2233
01:57:20,840 --> 01:57:23,920
Speaker 1: Like when I was watching the TV, I literally got

2234
01:57:24,000 --> 01:57:27,720
Speaker 1: angry watching and Jord Cherry, who did it, was a

2235
01:57:27,800 --> 01:57:30,440
Speaker 1: terrific player. That was one of our other twenty three signings,

2236
01:57:30,760 --> 01:57:34,120
Speaker 1: terrific special teams player, important part. He made a mistake,

2237
01:57:34,520 --> 01:57:36,320
Speaker 1: but that that that's what I'm thinking about. And then

2238
01:57:36,320 --> 01:57:38,960
Speaker 1: I also think about how the other four penalties in

2239
01:57:39,000 --> 01:57:41,760
Speaker 1: the game were all pre snap penalties by the Raiders,

2240
01:57:42,040 --> 01:57:45,000
Speaker 1: and we know about free that's free money right there,

2241
01:57:45,720 --> 01:57:47,480
Speaker 1: and that's I was just thinking about the penalties. So

2242
01:57:47,880 --> 01:57:50,440
Speaker 1: you mentioned that first drive that I was so pissed

2243
01:57:50,480 --> 01:57:52,640
Speaker 1: off again watching it again. Come on.

2244
01:57:52,640 --> 01:57:55,240
Speaker 2: One of the first things you'll hear at one of

2245
01:57:55,240 --> 01:58:00,240
Speaker 2: the first team meetings of a new season is Bill

2246
01:58:00,240 --> 01:58:02,120
Speaker 2: addressed the team, and it'll say, you can't win until

2247
01:58:02,120 --> 01:58:08,600
Speaker 2: you keep from losing, meaning penalties, you know, bad football,

2248
01:58:08,760 --> 01:58:12,720
Speaker 2: negative plays, things that you can prevent happening.

2249
01:58:12,840 --> 01:58:14,000
Speaker 1: May not you do not.

2250
01:58:14,120 --> 01:58:17,440
Speaker 2: You don't have to do something superior or anything crazy.

2251
01:58:17,800 --> 01:58:20,040
Speaker 2: But if you just play the game the way it's

2252
01:58:20,080 --> 01:58:23,400
Speaker 2: supposed to be played, no emmys, no penalties, pre snap penalties,

2253
01:58:23,440 --> 01:58:28,240
Speaker 2: no freebies, you'll put yourself in such like dramatically, such

2254
01:58:28,320 --> 01:58:31,120
Speaker 2: a higher position to win. Yeah, you know, and that's

2255
01:58:31,160 --> 01:58:34,680
Speaker 2: something that was a premium. You look at the bottom

2256
01:58:34,760 --> 01:58:37,920
Speaker 2: of his page, of Scott's page, what do they say?

2257
01:58:37,960 --> 01:58:43,320
Speaker 2: We want tough, big song, fast, tough, smart football players.

2258
01:58:43,720 --> 01:58:47,520
Speaker 2: Smart football players meaning you know, being able to decipher

2259
01:58:47,560 --> 01:58:50,360
Speaker 2: these types of things, know your assignments, don't do stupid

2260
01:58:50,360 --> 01:58:53,640
Speaker 2: things that will hurt the team because like like like

2261
01:58:53,680 --> 01:58:56,160
Speaker 2: Bill says, most games are lost, not one. Yeah, it's

2262
01:58:56,160 --> 01:58:58,160
Speaker 2: a team that makes the least amount of mistakes that wins.

2263
01:58:58,200 --> 01:59:00,840
Speaker 2: If you can watch all these games, you know, and

2264
01:59:01,160 --> 01:59:02,840
Speaker 2: that's really what it is. It's not the team that

2265
01:59:02,880 --> 01:59:05,360
Speaker 2: makes the biggest plays, it's the team that doesn't make

2266
01:59:05,360 --> 01:59:07,480
Speaker 2: them the least amount of mistakes that wins.

2267
01:59:07,560 --> 01:59:11,960
Speaker 1: And we were a team that we prided ourselves by

2268
01:59:12,040 --> 01:59:16,840
Speaker 1: praying upon p R e Y, praying upon other team's mistakes.

2269
01:59:17,720 --> 01:59:21,320
Speaker 1: And you know, you ask, what's the other thing that

2270
01:59:21,040 --> 01:59:24,320
Speaker 1: hit that hit me? And this is I think if

2271
01:59:24,760 --> 01:59:26,960
Speaker 1: I hopefully folks will go back and watch this game,

2272
01:59:27,080 --> 01:59:30,160
Speaker 1: because I want to say that the first three passes

2273
01:59:30,680 --> 01:59:35,200
Speaker 1: that Brady through that game were screen passes and Charlie

2274
01:59:35,320 --> 01:59:38,840
Speaker 1: And there's this whole history again, this is part of

2275
01:59:38,880 --> 01:59:41,040
Speaker 1: the development of Tom Brady. And this is why I

2276
01:59:41,080 --> 01:59:44,280
Speaker 1: talk about this game encapsulating so the special teams plays

2277
01:59:44,280 --> 01:59:48,960
Speaker 1: we made, the defensive plit plays we made, and Tommy

2278
01:59:50,160 --> 01:59:54,640
Speaker 1: being coached and the play calling within Tommy's wheelhouse at

2279
01:59:54,680 --> 01:59:57,880
Speaker 1: the time. You know, Charlie Weiss learned a lot from

2280
01:59:57,960 --> 02:00:02,480
Speaker 1: Ron Earhart, who was again the Giants quarterback coach Phil Simms.

2281
02:00:02,720 --> 02:00:04,920
Speaker 1: And when when Phil Simms became a really good player

2282
02:00:04,920 --> 02:00:07,800
Speaker 1: in the league, Ron Earhart had become the offensive coordinator.

2283
02:00:07,840 --> 02:00:11,760
Speaker 1: Nicknames Fargo. He had been with Parcels one hundred years

2284
02:00:12,160 --> 02:00:16,080
Speaker 1: and then North Dakota or something. Uh North Dakota State

2285
02:00:16,400 --> 02:00:21,760
Speaker 1: maybe yeah, yeah, and uh so he so Ron Erhard.

2286
02:00:26,120 --> 02:00:29,800
Speaker 1: But Charlie Weiss when we go to the Jets, Charlie

2287
02:00:29,920 --> 02:00:34,640
Speaker 1: is the offensive coordinator. Fargo is our quarterbacks coach before

2288
02:00:34,720 --> 02:00:38,960
Speaker 1: Dan Henning gets there. And part of what the it

2289
02:00:39,080 --> 02:00:44,920
Speaker 1: helped Phil Simms short sideways, underneath swing passes, shortened sideways.

2290
02:00:45,000 --> 02:00:47,040
Speaker 1: The extended running game is what we called it, using

2291
02:00:47,040 --> 02:00:50,400
Speaker 1: the running backs, using the whole field, using the whole field.

2292
02:00:50,440 --> 02:00:52,560
Speaker 1: And it doesn't it doesn't have to be all the

2293
02:00:52,760 --> 02:00:55,120
Speaker 1: long ball doesn't win all the time. You be loved

2294
02:00:55,080 --> 02:00:55,640
Speaker 1: the long ball.

2295
02:00:56,520 --> 02:00:59,200
Speaker 2: But the more you make a defense have to defend

2296
02:00:59,320 --> 02:01:02,600
Speaker 2: the whole field field, the better chances you have when

2297
02:01:02,600 --> 02:01:05,560
Speaker 2: you're separating that defense and they got to think about

2298
02:01:05,560 --> 02:01:08,400
Speaker 2: that screen that then you get a twenty yard run

2299
02:01:08,480 --> 02:01:10,919
Speaker 2: or you get a deep ball because they're so focused.

2300
02:01:10,920 --> 02:01:14,360
Speaker 2: It's all like boxing. You got jabs, you got jobs.

2301
02:01:14,400 --> 02:01:17,280
Speaker 2: You're not just gonna be throwing your haymaker every time, right,

2302
02:01:17,520 --> 02:01:19,800
Speaker 2: you know. But the best way to get your haymaker

2303
02:01:19,800 --> 02:01:22,880
Speaker 2: to actually land is to set it up with the jab.

2304
02:01:23,680 --> 02:01:26,160
Speaker 1: Here's the other thing that the short passing game does.

2305
02:01:26,400 --> 02:01:29,720
Speaker 1: It gets the defense running, It gets them tired. The

2306
02:01:29,760 --> 02:01:32,320
Speaker 1: other thing it does, and this is the most important part,

2307
02:01:32,320 --> 02:01:34,200
Speaker 1: and I remember listening to Ronnie Hart talk about it

2308
02:01:34,360 --> 02:01:37,400
Speaker 1: confidence when we got exactly when we got to the Jets.

2309
02:01:37,520 --> 02:01:41,000
Speaker 1: Vinnie Testaverdi had had this career and Vinnie had played

2310
02:01:41,080 --> 02:01:43,200
Speaker 1: pretty well with us at the Browns. We were doing

2311
02:01:43,280 --> 02:01:45,880
Speaker 1: shortened sideways with him using Vinnie comes to us at

2312
02:01:45,880 --> 02:01:48,839
Speaker 1: the Jets, and a lot of things were shortened sideways.

2313
02:01:48,880 --> 02:01:51,400
Speaker 1: Part of it was not only the quarterbacks confidence, but

2314
02:01:51,480 --> 02:01:54,920
Speaker 1: the team's confidence in the quarterback. Tommy was a kid.

2315
02:01:55,880 --> 02:01:58,240
Speaker 1: I mean, this is his first year as a starter,

2316
02:01:59,120 --> 02:02:02,560
Speaker 1: and Charlie Weiss was so smart in his play calling.

2317
02:02:02,600 --> 02:02:04,120
Speaker 1: He was one of the again, one of the best

2318
02:02:04,120 --> 02:02:07,760
Speaker 1: screen coaches I've ever been around. And the details and

2319
02:02:07,800 --> 02:02:11,960
Speaker 1: making things look good. So the beginning of this game

2320
02:02:11,960 --> 02:02:13,680
Speaker 1: in that first half. To me, there was so much

2321
02:02:13,720 --> 02:02:17,480
Speaker 1: importance in how he set up the game and building

2322
02:02:17,520 --> 02:02:21,600
Speaker 1: Tommy's conference and getting confidence throws. I mean, you always

2323
02:02:21,600 --> 02:02:25,040
Speaker 1: want to start the game with with because this is

2324
02:02:24,840 --> 02:02:27,760
Speaker 1: he's his second year quarterback at this point in his career.

2325
02:02:27,800 --> 02:02:28,760
Speaker 1: Tom right.

2326
02:02:28,880 --> 02:02:30,800
Speaker 2: Uh, you know, this is the biggest game in the

2327
02:02:30,920 --> 02:02:35,240
Speaker 2: organization's history at that point, you know, not including you know,

2328
02:02:35,320 --> 02:02:37,200
Speaker 2: eighty five and all that, but to this point it's

2329
02:02:37,240 --> 02:02:40,960
Speaker 2: been twenty years or whatever it is, thirty years. So

2330
02:02:41,080 --> 02:02:43,320
Speaker 2: to get him confident, you gotta get the young buck going.

2331
02:02:43,640 --> 02:02:46,520
Speaker 2: The screens and all the swings and the look passes,

2332
02:02:47,080 --> 02:02:49,000
Speaker 2: those are all designed to get him going.

2333
02:02:48,880 --> 02:02:50,480
Speaker 1: And give the receivers confidence.

2334
02:02:50,760 --> 02:02:53,160
Speaker 3: Yeah, I like catching the ball early na seas he won.

2335
02:02:53,480 --> 02:02:55,360
Speaker 6: There's fifty two pass attempts in this game.

2336
02:02:55,720 --> 02:02:56,400
Speaker 1: That's crazy.

2337
02:02:56,440 --> 02:02:57,840
Speaker 6: You know, you look at this game, you would ever

2338
02:02:57,880 --> 02:02:58,320
Speaker 6: expect you.

2339
02:02:58,400 --> 02:03:04,320
Speaker 1: Look at the I want to say ten passes Wiggans had. Wiggans, dude,

2340
02:03:04,360 --> 02:03:07,080
Speaker 1: he was Wiggins was making some plays. How about the

2341
02:03:07,520 --> 02:03:10,800
Speaker 1: catch off of the ball, the bounce side of the

2342
02:03:10,840 --> 02:03:13,480
Speaker 1: Fasten's hands and he caught on the sidelines and kept

2343
02:03:13,560 --> 02:03:17,680
Speaker 1: his feeding. He had an unbelieve he had a crazy

2344
02:03:17,680 --> 02:03:19,880
Speaker 1: third down too late in the game, but we'll chicken

2345
02:03:19,960 --> 02:03:20,960
Speaker 1: into it. Yeah, you were right.

2346
02:03:20,960 --> 02:03:24,160
Speaker 5: It'scot the the first three passes, Mark Edwards j R. Redmond,

2347
02:03:24,200 --> 02:03:27,400
Speaker 5: Kevin Folk all out of the backfield catching balls, which

2348
02:03:27,400 --> 02:03:29,920
Speaker 5: is awesome. Uh. Then in the third quarter, just to

2349
02:03:29,960 --> 02:03:32,880
Speaker 5: pivot after halftime, a little bit of a field goal fest,

2350
02:03:33,160 --> 02:03:35,600
Speaker 5: Janikowski knocked into, Adam knocked in.

2351
02:03:35,720 --> 02:03:39,880
Speaker 1: We talked about Vinit Terry being clutched. That old, that old.

2352
02:03:39,880 --> 02:03:42,320
Speaker 3: What is Sebastian Genakowski? Where is he from?

2353
02:03:42,360 --> 02:03:44,480
Speaker 5: He's old, by way of by way of.

2354
02:03:45,240 --> 02:03:46,280
Speaker 3: That guy loves sivodka.

2355
02:03:46,360 --> 02:03:47,840
Speaker 1: That dad was kicking him in there, bro.

2356
02:03:47,920 --> 02:03:50,160
Speaker 5: I heard he was an amazing high school soccer player,

2357
02:03:50,360 --> 02:03:52,360
Speaker 5: Like amazing dude. The guy played until he was like

2358
02:03:52,400 --> 02:03:53,640
Speaker 5: he was down there and.

2359
02:03:53,640 --> 02:03:55,440
Speaker 1: They got him be training a lick and he was

2360
02:03:55,520 --> 02:03:59,600
Speaker 1: kicking bombs that ball when you hurt you talking about

2361
02:03:59,760 --> 02:04:00,400
Speaker 1: you heard him.

2362
02:04:00,440 --> 02:04:03,520
Speaker 2: It was kind of like when you were talking about that.

2363
02:04:03,600 --> 02:04:05,760
Speaker 2: It reminded me when we were playing San Diego and

2364
02:04:05,840 --> 02:04:10,520
Speaker 2: Leckler was punting. Remember, yeah, I remember, because when I

2365
02:04:10,560 --> 02:04:12,680
Speaker 2: was you know, when you return, I would always go

2366
02:04:12,800 --> 02:04:16,120
Speaker 2: watch the punter. And when you hear a punter that

2367
02:04:16,480 --> 02:04:17,880
Speaker 2: can It sounds like a cannon.

2368
02:04:18,200 --> 02:04:21,720
Speaker 1: Absolutely, And that's how you evaluate kickers can do they

2369
02:04:21,760 --> 02:04:23,680
Speaker 1: hit the meat of the ball. It's like a baseball,

2370
02:04:23,960 --> 02:04:25,880
Speaker 1: you know, hitting the meat of the bat. You can

2371
02:04:26,280 --> 02:04:30,400
Speaker 1: it's evalulating kickers. Like how crazy of a game was

2372
02:04:30,440 --> 02:04:34,560
Speaker 1: this for Vin Terry? Like the clutch clutch ness, it

2373
02:04:34,600 --> 02:04:36,760
Speaker 1: was unbelievable. But again from where he came from. He

2374
02:04:36,800 --> 02:04:38,960
Speaker 1: was from the Dakota is he in his mind? I

2375
02:04:38,960 --> 02:04:41,600
Speaker 1: remember him talking about it. This was this was another

2376
02:04:41,640 --> 02:04:43,440
Speaker 1: day at the office for him, even though he had

2377
02:04:43,480 --> 02:04:46,080
Speaker 1: been out of it. He Adam was one of the

2378
02:04:46,120 --> 02:04:51,320
Speaker 1: most cool on the surface. Yeah, cool customers he was. Yeah,

2379
02:04:51,360 --> 02:04:54,080
Speaker 1: this game put him on. I mean what he did

2380
02:04:54,160 --> 02:04:56,400
Speaker 1: that season because again later on in the Super Bowl

2381
02:04:56,440 --> 02:04:59,480
Speaker 1: he kicks a game winner. Man, that's uh.

2382
02:04:59,680 --> 02:05:01,360
Speaker 6: Shane Player was a punter of this game too, and

2383
02:05:01,400 --> 02:05:04,280
Speaker 6: the Raiders, yesh.

2384
02:05:03,280 --> 02:05:04,160
Speaker 1: Yeah crazy.

2385
02:05:04,280 --> 02:05:08,840
Speaker 5: Uh So, then after the third thirteen to three, Oakland's up,

2386
02:05:08,960 --> 02:05:12,800
Speaker 5: and then what really turns the tides is this ten play,

2387
02:05:13,360 --> 02:05:16,400
Speaker 5: sixty seven yard drive eats up almost four and a

2388
02:05:16,440 --> 02:05:19,600
Speaker 5: half minutes that leads to a Brady Rushing touchdown cuts

2389
02:05:19,600 --> 02:05:20,560
Speaker 5: it to thirteen.

2390
02:05:20,280 --> 02:05:26,240
Speaker 2: Ten thirteen to ten. So at this point of the game.

2391
02:05:27,320 --> 02:05:33,800
Speaker 2: Are you nervous or are you confident? And going into

2392
02:05:33,840 --> 02:05:36,680
Speaker 2: the game, was the game plan to keep this high

2393
02:05:36,720 --> 02:05:41,560
Speaker 2: flying offense. You wanted to keep this this specific game

2394
02:05:41,640 --> 02:05:44,160
Speaker 2: close to the very end to give yourself or was

2395
02:05:44,200 --> 02:05:45,400
Speaker 2: it one of the what was that?

2396
02:05:46,280 --> 02:05:51,240
Speaker 1: I think it was Their offense was good, Gannon was good. So,

2397
02:05:51,320 --> 02:05:54,760
Speaker 1: as you know, sometimes the belief was that our best

2398
02:05:54,800 --> 02:05:58,160
Speaker 1: defense was going to be our offense. We also knew

2399
02:05:58,160 --> 02:06:00,600
Speaker 1: that we had Antoine Smith. We were we were in

2400
02:06:00,640 --> 02:06:05,400
Speaker 1: twenty two, you know, we we were big running back. Yeah, boy,

2401
02:06:05,720 --> 02:06:09,320
Speaker 1: So keeping the ball away from that, I mean, you

2402
02:06:09,320 --> 02:06:11,480
Speaker 1: look at the end of the game, the time of possession,

2403
02:06:11,480 --> 02:06:13,160
Speaker 1: I want to say, was we had forty minutes, they

2404
02:06:13,200 --> 02:06:16,480
Speaker 1: were twenty eight. We dominated time of possession. And again,

2405
02:06:16,960 --> 02:06:19,960
Speaker 1: when you're playing a really good offense and a fast

2406
02:06:20,040 --> 02:06:23,120
Speaker 1: striking offense, part of it is keeping you know, your

2407
02:06:23,160 --> 02:06:26,040
Speaker 1: defense off the field and their offense. So so running

2408
02:06:26,080 --> 02:06:29,120
Speaker 1: the ball was really important. And I'll say, you know,

2409
02:06:29,800 --> 02:06:33,360
Speaker 1: I wouldn't I don't know if nervous was I was

2410
02:06:33,360 --> 02:06:37,520
Speaker 1: certainly anxious. I mean I don't know a game that

2411
02:06:38,800 --> 02:06:42,720
Speaker 1: where I didn't feel anxious, you know what I mean,

2412
02:06:42,920 --> 02:06:45,480
Speaker 1: Even when we were up sometimes by twenty one points.

2413
02:06:46,240 --> 02:06:52,800
Speaker 1: You just oh wow, I had to go there. We

2414
02:06:52,920 --> 02:06:54,560
Speaker 1: had to do it just fun. I don't know, my

2415
02:06:54,600 --> 02:07:01,000
Speaker 1: bad bad that's wrong. I mean, real, real quick thing

2416
02:07:01,040 --> 02:07:02,600
Speaker 1: on that. People say, man, that had to be the

2417
02:07:02,640 --> 02:07:04,200
Speaker 1: worst loss of your life when I was with the

2418
02:07:04,240 --> 02:07:06,600
Speaker 1: Falcons and everything, oh seven had to be And I

2419
02:07:06,640 --> 02:07:09,240
Speaker 1: was just gonna say, no, I was eighteen. I was

2420
02:07:09,280 --> 02:07:12,840
Speaker 1: eighteen and one. So that's ded as much as that.

2421
02:07:12,840 --> 02:07:16,880
Speaker 1: That evening sucked. Anyway, thanks for bringing me down. What

2422
02:07:17,000 --> 02:07:22,600
Speaker 1: a buzz killed. It's like, yeah, it's kind of like Bill.

2423
02:07:22,680 --> 02:07:24,760
Speaker 1: It's kind of like Bill. I gotta say, I gotta,

2424
02:07:24,800 --> 02:07:26,800
Speaker 1: I gotta, I gotta, I gotta bring them back. I

2425
02:07:26,840 --> 02:07:32,560
Speaker 1: gotta bring them back. So a lot of anxiety because

2426
02:07:32,560 --> 02:07:35,680
Speaker 1: again the clock was ticking and we were not moving

2427
02:07:35,720 --> 02:07:39,040
Speaker 1: the ball quickly, but the defense was playing great, lights out.

2428
02:07:39,120 --> 02:07:42,760
Speaker 1: But again this is part of the again, and this

2429
02:07:42,840 --> 02:07:46,720
Speaker 1: is so important. I think the revisionist history of the

2430
02:07:46,800 --> 02:07:51,600
Speaker 1: development of Tommy. Our defense was so good, man, and

2431
02:07:51,720 --> 02:07:55,000
Speaker 1: it was so opportunistic, and this is what a good

2432
02:07:55,120 --> 02:07:58,600
Speaker 1: what a young quarterback needs, and you need special teams.

2433
02:07:58,640 --> 02:08:02,840
Speaker 1: So defense was lights out special teams. You know, again,

2434
02:08:03,000 --> 02:08:06,560
Speaker 1: Troy has those two muffed punts. Is os on it. Yeah,

2435
02:08:06,840 --> 02:08:09,080
Speaker 1: Adam's kicking out of it, you know, out of his mind.

2436
02:08:09,200 --> 02:08:12,240
Speaker 1: So there was there were a lot of things and

2437
02:08:12,320 --> 02:08:15,720
Speaker 1: people helping carry this game. Now. You know, Antoine Smith

2438
02:08:16,160 --> 02:08:18,640
Speaker 1: rushed for eleven hundred or twelve hundred yards I think

2439
02:08:18,720 --> 02:08:21,200
Speaker 1: that year. He didn't have a lot of yards at game,

2440
02:08:21,520 --> 02:08:25,720
Speaker 1: but his yards were important yards, particularly you know when

2441
02:08:25,720 --> 02:08:27,839
Speaker 1: we get to I don't want to steal your thunberl

2442
02:08:28,320 --> 02:08:31,120
Speaker 1: but Jack, but there you know, there's some stuff coming up.

2443
02:08:31,200 --> 02:08:34,200
Speaker 1: So yeah, that was very anxious.

2444
02:08:34,280 --> 02:08:36,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, you look at a game like this,

2445
02:08:37,560 --> 02:08:44,160
Speaker 2: low scoring weather factor, those long, methodical drives are so

2446
02:08:44,400 --> 02:08:50,280
Speaker 2: valuable because what Scott said, the time possession, that's that's when.

2447
02:08:50,120 --> 02:08:52,480
Speaker 1: You can really control a game. Absolutely.

2448
02:08:52,560 --> 02:08:54,280
Speaker 2: You know, even if you go down and you take

2449
02:08:54,360 --> 02:08:57,400
Speaker 2: five minutes off the clock, six minutes off the clock

2450
02:08:57,480 --> 02:08:59,640
Speaker 2: and you only get a field goal. You know, demoralizing

2451
02:08:59,680 --> 02:09:03,800
Speaker 2: that is for a team because then they're sitting there

2452
02:09:03,840 --> 02:09:05,720
Speaker 2: thinking like, you got the offense, haven't been on the

2453
02:09:05,720 --> 02:09:08,680
Speaker 2: field in twenty minutes. They're sitting there like, oh fuck,

2454
02:09:08,680 --> 02:09:11,440
Speaker 2: another third down conversion? Oh shit, are we gonna stop

2455
02:09:11,480 --> 02:09:13,920
Speaker 2: them on first? Can we get a goddamn negative play.

2456
02:09:13,960 --> 02:09:16,080
Speaker 2: That's what the offense is thinking. Well, the defense is

2457
02:09:16,120 --> 02:09:18,920
Speaker 2: out there on these long, methodical drives even though we

2458
02:09:18,920 --> 02:09:20,800
Speaker 2: should be thinking about But you know, when it's this

2459
02:09:20,920 --> 02:09:23,240
Speaker 2: type of game, Yeah, that takes a lot out of

2460
02:09:23,240 --> 02:09:26,880
Speaker 2: your offense because then it makes it more pressureful when

2461
02:09:26,920 --> 02:09:29,160
Speaker 2: you're out there, because you know that they just went

2462
02:09:29,240 --> 02:09:32,000
Speaker 2: this long and if you don't, then you're third down

2463
02:09:32,040 --> 02:09:33,760
Speaker 2: in law You're like, oh fuck.

2464
02:09:33,800 --> 02:09:36,880
Speaker 1: Well, here's you bring up great points. Because in the

2465
02:09:36,920 --> 02:09:39,600
Speaker 1: first half we do not have one third down conversion

2466
02:09:39,640 --> 02:09:43,120
Speaker 1: in the first half. That that's bad. But as soon

2467
02:09:43,160 --> 02:09:46,040
Speaker 1: as if you watch our first offensive drive in that game,

2468
02:09:46,800 --> 02:09:50,960
Speaker 1: in the second half, our offense is punking them. I

2469
02:09:50,960 --> 02:09:53,520
Speaker 1: mean Mark Edwards are full back. I mean the pushing

2470
02:09:53,600 --> 02:09:56,839
Speaker 1: and shoving that's going on, it's Mark Edwards, it's Compton,

2471
02:09:57,000 --> 02:09:58,320
Speaker 1: it's it's guys.

2472
02:09:59,080 --> 02:10:01,120
Speaker 3: What's going on a lot, what's going on in halftime?

2473
02:10:01,160 --> 02:10:03,480
Speaker 1: Then for these adjustments, I'm not down there, you know,

2474
02:10:03,600 --> 02:10:05,320
Speaker 1: you know, you know, Ernie and I stay up at

2475
02:10:05,360 --> 02:10:08,760
Speaker 1: the that that's coach. Coaches are coaching. You gave your

2476
02:10:08,800 --> 02:10:11,000
Speaker 1: notes and then they probably translated to the team or

2477
02:10:11,280 --> 02:10:13,400
Speaker 1: and you know what's going and when the coaches run

2478
02:10:13,440 --> 02:10:16,600
Speaker 1: down with it. They got five minutes decompressed. Then we

2479
02:10:16,680 --> 02:10:18,400
Speaker 1: break up O and D and then team at the end.

2480
02:10:18,760 --> 02:10:22,080
Speaker 1: So but if you that second half the tide and

2481
02:10:22,960 --> 02:10:26,600
Speaker 1: Julian great point, that long drive, the tide started turning

2482
02:10:27,000 --> 02:10:29,760
Speaker 1: in that first offensive drive, We're punching them in the mouth,

2483
02:10:30,080 --> 02:10:33,360
Speaker 1: We're pushing, We're playing with a different mentality, different attitude.

2484
02:10:33,400 --> 02:10:35,800
Speaker 1: In that second half. It was like, hey, there may

2485
02:10:35,840 --> 02:10:39,760
Speaker 1: be thirty minutes left in the season. It's go time. Yeah,

2486
02:10:39,800 --> 02:10:43,960
Speaker 1: And we built that team. You know, we were we

2487
02:10:43,960 --> 02:10:47,080
Speaker 1: were a we were not a fast football team, but

2488
02:10:47,120 --> 02:10:50,600
Speaker 1: we were big, strong, smart and tough, and we were

2489
02:10:50,640 --> 02:10:54,120
Speaker 1: built for that venue. We were built for grass in

2490
02:10:54,200 --> 02:10:55,520
Speaker 1: December and January?

2491
02:10:55,840 --> 02:10:58,040
Speaker 2: Did you design the teams like that? Did you think

2492
02:10:58,080 --> 02:11:01,080
Speaker 2: about that when you were going into a draft? Is

2493
02:11:01,120 --> 02:11:01,960
Speaker 2: that in the notebook.

2494
02:11:02,120 --> 02:11:05,520
Speaker 1: We always wanted to be faster, but speed is difficult

2495
02:11:05,560 --> 02:11:08,200
Speaker 1: to get. Sometimes we wanted to play fast, but it

2496
02:11:08,240 --> 02:11:09,840
Speaker 1: was part of you know, Belichick was a part of

2497
02:11:09,840 --> 02:11:14,160
Speaker 1: those big, tough, strong defenses at the Giants, and that

2498
02:11:14,280 --> 02:11:17,440
Speaker 1: was and and again, when you know part of what

2499
02:11:17,480 --> 02:11:19,480
Speaker 1: you're playing for is you do want to design your

2500
02:11:19,480 --> 02:11:22,839
Speaker 1: team around your venue. You know, the Colts looked completely

2501
02:11:22,880 --> 02:11:25,040
Speaker 1: different than we did because they played in that back

2502
02:11:25,080 --> 02:11:26,800
Speaker 1: when it was the RCAA Dome and it was the

2503
02:11:26,840 --> 02:11:31,480
Speaker 1: old fast turf. And but we were we were mutters.

2504
02:11:31,960 --> 02:11:34,640
Speaker 1: I mean we we whether it was intentional or we

2505
02:11:34,680 --> 02:11:36,480
Speaker 1: knew what we were because we also knew if we

2506
02:11:36,480 --> 02:11:40,880
Speaker 1: were playing home games in December and January like another season.

2507
02:11:40,920 --> 02:11:44,400
Speaker 1: But that big playoff game against the Colts years later,

2508
02:11:44,440 --> 02:11:48,520
Speaker 1: the AFC Championship game, we were built to win that game.

2509
02:11:48,640 --> 02:11:51,480
Speaker 1: In that circumstance, I fought.

2510
02:11:51,200 --> 02:11:55,200
Speaker 8: The law in the law one game, right, I saw

2511
02:11:55,360 --> 02:12:00,120
Speaker 8: the great electric electric everything's great except to have And

2512
02:12:00,160 --> 02:12:03,080
Speaker 8: I'm interviewing him at ten thirty in the morning and

2513
02:12:03,120 --> 02:12:04,600
Speaker 8: he's making his drink shots.

2514
02:12:05,240 --> 02:12:08,240
Speaker 1: That was the only thing I saw that like, So

2515
02:12:08,280 --> 02:12:10,080
Speaker 1: when we got here one of the first things I checked,

2516
02:12:10,120 --> 02:12:12,920
Speaker 1: I'm like, gosh, I hope this's not no, no, no,

2517
02:12:13,600 --> 02:12:17,600
Speaker 1: this is only That's why I was confused. Did he

2518
02:12:17,600 --> 02:12:18,160
Speaker 1: he brought that?

2519
02:12:18,360 --> 02:12:20,680
Speaker 6: Oh yeah, that was his company is his company, and

2520
02:12:20,680 --> 02:12:21,960
Speaker 6: they have a thing with the Hall of Fames. You

2521
02:12:22,000 --> 02:12:23,879
Speaker 6: actually do some really good work and they do some great.

2522
02:12:23,680 --> 02:12:25,080
Speaker 1: Thing for the Hall of Fame. Player. That was quite

2523
02:12:25,120 --> 02:12:27,800
Speaker 1: the episode. I was nervous I'm like, ohe we're only

2524
02:12:27,800 --> 02:12:32,000
Speaker 1: going with the Duncans this morning. I'm drinking dunk. I'm good,

2525
02:12:32,080 --> 02:12:33,160
Speaker 1: I'm good.

2526
02:12:33,680 --> 02:12:36,280
Speaker 5: We spoke about all three phases of the game, and

2527
02:12:36,320 --> 02:12:39,400
Speaker 5: the offense, the defense of special teams, the moments that

2528
02:12:39,480 --> 02:12:42,320
Speaker 5: preceded the moment we all remember the tuck roll moment.

2529
02:12:42,600 --> 02:12:44,640
Speaker 5: Were two great displays.

2530
02:12:44,160 --> 02:12:46,920
Speaker 1: Of that stop calling the time, I'm sorry, I'm sorry,

2531
02:12:46,920 --> 02:12:50,680
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, Snowbowl moment, so you're right. The snow Bowl moment,

2532
02:12:51,040 --> 02:12:54,640
Speaker 1: pardon me, Snowbowl moment that had the rule of tucking

2533
02:12:55,400 --> 02:12:56,520
Speaker 1: the whole Coleman moment.

2534
02:12:56,720 --> 02:13:00,320
Speaker 5: The correct call moment was a third and one one

2535
02:13:00,760 --> 02:13:03,520
Speaker 5: with just over two minutes left. If Oakland converts this,

2536
02:13:04,160 --> 02:13:07,480
Speaker 5: that might be game over against Brian Cox and Richard

2537
02:13:07,480 --> 02:13:09,920
Speaker 5: Seymour get in there and blow it up Force as

2538
02:13:10,000 --> 02:13:14,320
Speaker 5: Shane Leckler punt try Brown an amazing return thirty seven

2539
02:13:14,400 --> 02:13:19,080
Speaker 5: yard return fumbles Larry Izzo with the alert recovery ship

2540
02:13:19,160 --> 02:13:24,560
Speaker 5: on that sideline. Do you hear that story? We gotta

2541
02:13:24,800 --> 02:13:25,840
Speaker 5: can we hear this real quick?

2542
02:13:26,080 --> 02:13:26,800
Speaker 1: Well? I don't think we say.

2543
02:13:27,760 --> 02:13:30,240
Speaker 3: Is just contacted me. He said he wants to come on.

2544
02:13:30,760 --> 02:13:33,720
Speaker 2: I'm gonna have is fucking tell us when he's shipped

2545
02:13:33,720 --> 02:13:34,440
Speaker 2: on this, maybe he.

2546
02:13:34,360 --> 02:13:36,400
Speaker 1: Can do that game. The ship on the sideline game

2547
02:13:37,400 --> 02:13:38,320
Speaker 1: is you know.

2548
02:13:38,320 --> 02:13:38,560
Speaker 5: Is O.

2549
02:13:38,760 --> 02:13:42,440
Speaker 1: So the first ring party super bowling party is O.

2550
02:13:42,680 --> 02:13:49,800
Speaker 1: Rabel hammered nice and they're dipping Copenhagen, both of them, right,

2551
02:13:50,440 --> 02:13:54,040
Speaker 1: And they come up and we're talking and Rabel's contracts

2552
02:13:54,120 --> 02:13:56,880
Speaker 1: up or he has another year. So Rabel wants to

2553
02:13:56,920 --> 02:13:59,600
Speaker 1: talk contract while he's got some liquor in him. IS. Oh,

2554
02:13:59,640 --> 02:14:02,600
Speaker 1: they're but they're happy as all get out. And I

2555
02:14:02,680 --> 02:14:06,920
Speaker 1: have like a a beige suit on and a pink

2556
02:14:07,040 --> 02:14:09,520
Speaker 1: shirt and is It was kind of like a close talker.

2557
02:14:09,560 --> 02:14:12,400
Speaker 1: When he's got booze in and we get done talking,

2558
02:14:12,440 --> 02:14:14,320
Speaker 1: I go back to my table and my wife looks

2559
02:14:14,320 --> 02:14:16,920
Speaker 1: at me, what is all over your shirt? The two

2560
02:14:17,000 --> 02:14:20,520
Speaker 1: of them have been talking and dip like you know,

2561
02:14:20,560 --> 02:14:24,680
Speaker 1: the little I got flexa Copenhagen. I had to toss

2562
02:14:24,680 --> 02:14:28,040
Speaker 1: his shirt because they were that stuff stained. My wife's

2563
02:14:28,040 --> 02:14:31,000
Speaker 1: are like, what were you just doing? Like calling through

2564
02:14:31,000 --> 02:14:34,920
Speaker 1: the weeds or something. Freak it is Larry, He's awesome.

2565
02:14:34,960 --> 02:14:38,240
Speaker 5: Oh my goodness, Oh my goodness. So that brings us

2566
02:14:38,560 --> 02:14:42,600
Speaker 5: to a first down play that the NFL Rule three

2567
02:14:42,920 --> 02:14:46,880
Speaker 5: Section twenty two. Article two Note two comes into play

2568
02:14:48,000 --> 02:14:50,800
Speaker 5: and helps extend the drive, leads to the Adam Vinentarry

2569
02:14:50,920 --> 02:14:53,640
Speaker 5: field goal that ties it up sends it into ot.

2570
02:14:53,840 --> 02:14:57,480
Speaker 2: It was triple slant D slant trips right, triple triple

2571
02:14:57,480 --> 02:14:58,000
Speaker 2: slant D.

2572
02:14:58,000 --> 02:15:00,720
Speaker 1: Slap shoo, man, can you walk us? Tell me?

2573
02:15:00,800 --> 02:15:05,280
Speaker 2: Can we can we not see the your teammate, your roommate.

2574
02:15:06,920 --> 02:15:10,280
Speaker 1: He turns his face in that way. He's coming right here.

2575
02:15:10,680 --> 02:15:13,800
Speaker 1: Maybe I had a snowflake in his eye, but that's

2576
02:15:13,840 --> 02:15:16,120
Speaker 1: the young Tom Brady, Young Tom Brady. He learned from

2577
02:15:16,120 --> 02:15:16,840
Speaker 1: that situation.

2578
02:15:17,080 --> 02:15:18,520
Speaker 6: Can you he you walk us through that moment?

2579
02:15:19,960 --> 02:15:22,600
Speaker 1: Yeah? So are you?

2580
02:15:22,640 --> 02:15:25,000
Speaker 3: And Ernie in the press box like fucked it came's over.

2581
02:15:25,960 --> 02:15:29,800
Speaker 1: I was just like when deflated isn't a strong enough word.

2582
02:15:29,880 --> 02:15:33,000
Speaker 1: I mean, I was like, it was just I didn't

2583
02:15:33,000 --> 02:15:37,080
Speaker 1: know what to think. Ernie, We're just like we didn't

2584
02:15:37,120 --> 02:15:39,800
Speaker 1: know the rule right away. He was. He wasn't on

2585
02:15:39,840 --> 02:15:43,560
Speaker 1: the rule right away, but he was. He noticed the

2586
02:15:43,600 --> 02:15:46,880
Speaker 1: officials right and we're like, wait a second here, this

2587
02:15:47,080 --> 02:15:49,840
Speaker 1: might be a review. There's so many things that happened,

2588
02:15:49,840 --> 02:15:53,440
Speaker 1: like and watching the TV copy triggered some things here.

2589
02:15:54,600 --> 02:15:58,600
Speaker 1: There's something about the music at Patriots games. That is

2590
02:15:58,720 --> 02:16:01,640
Speaker 1: very unique. It's the same songs. You know, you're gonna

2591
02:16:01,640 --> 02:16:06,680
Speaker 1: hear Hell's bells, you know, and AD you're Phil calling

2592
02:16:06,760 --> 02:16:11,280
Speaker 1: Phil in the air tonight, so Bingo. During that time

2593
02:16:11,280 --> 02:16:14,040
Speaker 1: when they're doing a review, they played in the air

2594
02:16:14,040 --> 02:16:16,880
Speaker 1: tonight and I noticed it on the TV copy and

2595
02:16:16,920 --> 02:16:18,720
Speaker 1: you can hear it on the TV. You remember that,

2596
02:16:18,920 --> 02:16:21,840
Speaker 1: just like there's more during moments like that. Yeah, because

2597
02:16:21,840 --> 02:16:23,080
Speaker 1: there was a bunch of moments like that, and I

2598
02:16:23,120 --> 02:16:24,560
Speaker 1: was like, oh my god, I look at me. I'm

2599
02:16:24,560 --> 02:16:27,640
Speaker 1: gonna getting goosebumpy right now. And and there was also

2600
02:16:27,720 --> 02:16:30,320
Speaker 1: another time when Hell's Bells came on on the third

2601
02:16:30,440 --> 02:16:34,640
Speaker 1: down play. I mean, on the third down stop, you're

2602
02:16:34,680 --> 02:16:38,320
Speaker 1: hearing the dong of Hell's Bells from ac DC. It's

2603
02:16:38,760 --> 02:16:41,800
Speaker 1: but during that moment, oh my gosh, it was like

2604
02:16:42,200 --> 02:16:44,360
Speaker 1: it was you didn't want to believe it was over.

2605
02:16:45,440 --> 02:16:47,960
Speaker 1: And I remember what I remember at that moment was

2606
02:16:47,959 --> 02:16:52,160
Speaker 1: like looking up at the stadium and the snow and

2607
02:16:52,200 --> 02:16:55,760
Speaker 1: it's coming down, and I was just like, no, no, God, no.

2608
02:16:56,760 --> 02:16:56,959
Speaker 5: You know.

2609
02:16:57,720 --> 02:17:03,320
Speaker 1: And and here they start reviewing and it's overturned and

2610
02:17:03,959 --> 02:17:06,720
Speaker 1: or it's called the right way, called the right way,

2611
02:17:07,120 --> 02:17:09,879
Speaker 1: the book. It's in the rule book. That was textbook

2612
02:17:10,000 --> 02:17:14,360
Speaker 1: rule book, and yeah, we we were. It went from

2613
02:17:14,400 --> 02:17:16,560
Speaker 1: like this I want to throw up in your mouth

2614
02:17:16,640 --> 02:17:21,160
Speaker 1: moment to hopefulness. I had a situation. It wasn't tough rule.

2615
02:17:21,320 --> 02:17:23,800
Speaker 2: But remember when we were playing the Chiefs in eighteen

2616
02:17:24,520 --> 02:17:27,800
Speaker 2: and we threw the pick on the off sides. I

2617
02:17:27,840 --> 02:17:31,400
Speaker 2: didn't see the flag. So I'm down the field and

2618
02:17:31,480 --> 02:17:33,280
Speaker 2: it was one of their one one of their I

2619
02:17:33,320 --> 02:17:35,040
Speaker 2: don't know who. I forgot who it was, but he's

2620
02:17:35,120 --> 02:17:37,480
Speaker 2: running buy me on the Chiefs and he goes, oh,

2621
02:17:37,560 --> 02:17:38,920
Speaker 2: it's going to be a hell of a lot off

2622
02:17:38,959 --> 02:17:42,760
Speaker 2: season for you guys, because that was game. I'm sitting

2623
02:17:42,760 --> 02:17:45,680
Speaker 2: there and I was literally walking back then it's fucking

2624
02:17:45,720 --> 02:17:46,880
Speaker 2: off season, gonna suck.

2625
02:17:47,280 --> 02:17:50,879
Speaker 1: Fuck these motherfuckers. And then I saw that flag. I

2626
02:17:50,879 --> 02:17:51,879
Speaker 1: looked at him like, we.

2627
02:17:51,879 --> 02:17:56,680
Speaker 5: Got a flag, We got a f Sir d Ford.

2628
02:17:56,879 --> 02:17:58,960
Speaker 1: He here's the other thing though, and again talking to

2629
02:17:59,000 --> 02:18:03,160
Speaker 1: the emotions of oh my god, this is exactly where

2630
02:18:03,160 --> 02:18:06,039
Speaker 1: I'm headed next, the emotion of sports and in that moment.

2631
02:18:06,080 --> 02:18:07,959
Speaker 1: But here's you know how I talked about, this game

2632
02:18:08,040 --> 02:18:11,560
Speaker 1: has everything that is Patriots in it, situated for everything

2633
02:18:12,040 --> 02:18:15,600
Speaker 1: think about this Brady's a kid. You go from that

2634
02:18:15,680 --> 02:18:18,840
Speaker 1: moment of that happening, our entire team, the entire offense,

2635
02:18:18,959 --> 02:18:21,960
Speaker 1: goes to that moment, and then all of a sudden

2636
02:18:22,959 --> 02:18:25,800
Speaker 1: there's a ruling. We still got to go back out

2637
02:18:25,800 --> 02:18:27,840
Speaker 1: there and try to tie this game and win this game.

2638
02:18:28,520 --> 02:18:34,959
Speaker 1: You go from complete utter, absolutely being deflated to euphoria

2639
02:18:35,120 --> 02:18:38,520
Speaker 1: to compartmentalize. We got a job to do. And to me,

2640
02:18:38,600 --> 02:18:40,400
Speaker 1: that was one of the cool things too, is that

2641
02:18:40,920 --> 02:18:47,800
Speaker 1: how that football team refocused so quickly with their emotions.

2642
02:18:47,879 --> 02:18:53,480
Speaker 2: I mean, that's been evident numerous times for the Patriots.

2643
02:18:53,560 --> 02:19:00,400
Speaker 2: I believe, having the ability to compartmentalize when things are

2644
02:19:00,440 --> 02:19:05,920
Speaker 2: not looking good and refocusing on just doing your job.

2645
02:19:06,920 --> 02:19:08,480
Speaker 3: You know, that's literally like we did that.

2646
02:19:09,360 --> 02:19:11,280
Speaker 2: I'm not trying to bring it up to you know,

2647
02:19:11,320 --> 02:19:14,760
Speaker 2: the Atlanta game, but that game absolutely and in Seattle

2648
02:19:14,840 --> 02:19:18,120
Speaker 2: with my tea with in eight fourteen, we're down ten

2649
02:19:18,160 --> 02:19:22,480
Speaker 2: points in the fourth quarter. It's just like it says

2650
02:19:23,160 --> 02:19:27,080
Speaker 2: on that little page years tough, smart football teams that

2651
02:19:27,120 --> 02:19:28,800
Speaker 2: can perform under pressure.

2652
02:19:28,680 --> 02:19:31,640
Speaker 1: And discipline, right, And that's part of it. And you

2653
02:19:31,640 --> 02:19:34,119
Speaker 1: know it's funny and you talk about that, I don't

2654
02:19:34,120 --> 02:19:38,480
Speaker 1: know if you saw the Dynasty. Yeah, part part. Part

2655
02:19:38,520 --> 02:19:41,400
Speaker 1: of what I talked about, you know, in the couple

2656
02:19:41,440 --> 02:19:44,320
Speaker 1: of things I did was that moment when I was

2657
02:19:44,360 --> 02:19:46,320
Speaker 1: with the Falcons, and I talked about it from the

2658
02:19:46,320 --> 02:19:50,039
Speaker 1: Falcons standpoint. I was up in the press box and

2659
02:19:50,120 --> 02:19:53,080
Speaker 1: it's halftime and we're up. A couple of things happen.

2660
02:19:53,920 --> 02:19:58,800
Speaker 1: Rodney Harrison texts me, he said, Hey, Scott, Eric and

2661
02:19:58,840 --> 02:20:01,959
Speaker 1: I are leaving Kent. Stand this anymore? So happy for you,

2662
02:20:02,080 --> 02:20:05,360
Speaker 1: so proud of you. Congratulations. I remember reading text on

2663
02:20:06,160 --> 02:20:12,760
Speaker 1: oh my god, no Ron reverse reverse Reverse, and I

2664
02:20:12,840 --> 02:20:14,960
Speaker 1: still have that text us. But then there was this

2665
02:20:15,040 --> 02:20:18,600
Speaker 1: moment in there too where the the I was. We

2666
02:20:18,600 --> 02:20:21,240
Speaker 1: were in this suite and it was a bunch of

2667
02:20:21,240 --> 02:20:24,800
Speaker 1: people in personnel, the football operations folks, because I had

2668
02:20:24,800 --> 02:20:26,760
Speaker 1: a different role at that point in time as the

2669
02:20:26,760 --> 02:20:29,720
Speaker 1: assistant GM. And someone slapped me on it because I

2670
02:20:29,760 --> 02:20:31,680
Speaker 1: never get up out of my seat and everyone is

2671
02:20:31,720 --> 02:20:36,200
Speaker 1: like enjoying eating snacks and chicken fingers and and I'm

2672
02:20:36,400 --> 02:20:38,760
Speaker 1: and someone slaps me on the back like, hey, would

2673
02:20:38,800 --> 02:20:42,880
Speaker 1: you would you enjoy this for once? And I lost

2674
02:20:42,920 --> 02:20:46,400
Speaker 1: my crap and I said to myself, I said, you guys,

2675
02:20:46,400 --> 02:20:49,040
Speaker 1: don't understand what we're up against. I said that guy

2676
02:20:49,160 --> 02:20:53,520
Speaker 1: number twelve is e F and Freddy Krueger. He's coming back.

2677
02:20:53,920 --> 02:20:56,039
Speaker 1: I just hope he doesn't come back and get us all.

2678
02:20:56,200 --> 02:20:58,920
Speaker 1: And I was dead serious, and I know there were

2679
02:20:58,920 --> 02:21:00,760
Speaker 1: some people that were working with it, though I thought

2680
02:21:00,760 --> 02:21:03,920
Speaker 1: I was a douche in that moment, But to the point,

2681
02:21:04,160 --> 02:21:08,440
Speaker 1: it was part of the mentality Jewels that nothing seemed

2682
02:21:08,440 --> 02:21:12,440
Speaker 1: out of reach if you stayed disciplined, because teams will

2683
02:21:12,440 --> 02:21:15,440
Speaker 1: lose games, and it's and.

2684
02:21:15,560 --> 02:21:20,160
Speaker 2: Especially at that point of Tom's career where he's seen

2685
02:21:21,480 --> 02:21:24,800
Speaker 2: he's already had twenty eight point comebacks and it may

2686
02:21:24,840 --> 02:21:26,520
Speaker 2: not have been in the Super Bowl, but if you

2687
02:21:26,640 --> 02:21:29,520
Speaker 2: have that under your belt, even if it's a regular

2688
02:21:29,600 --> 02:21:32,520
Speaker 2: season against the goddamn New Orleans Saints that had nothing

2689
02:21:32,520 --> 02:21:34,400
Speaker 2: to do in Week three.

2690
02:21:34,680 --> 02:21:37,879
Speaker 1: You felt it before. Hey, I was when we were

2691
02:21:38,120 --> 02:21:42,560
Speaker 1: that the nationally televised night game against the Broncos where

2692
02:21:42,560 --> 02:21:45,840
Speaker 1: we intentionally snapped the ball out of the end zone. Yeah,

2693
02:21:46,000 --> 02:21:48,560
Speaker 1: took the safety defense. Hey, you got to get us

2694
02:21:48,560 --> 02:21:52,360
Speaker 1: three and out, and then Tommy brought us back in

2695
02:21:52,400 --> 02:21:55,040
Speaker 1: that one, which is where this game is kind of similar.

2696
02:21:55,400 --> 02:21:58,160
Speaker 1: You know, we get the ball, you know we have

2697
02:21:58,200 --> 02:21:59,640
Speaker 1: to give it over. I think it's like two forty

2698
02:21:59,720 --> 02:22:04,440
Speaker 1: left in the game, and we got three timeouts in

2699
02:22:04,520 --> 02:22:06,640
Speaker 1: the fourth quarter. We got to get the ball back

2700
02:22:07,280 --> 02:22:12,800
Speaker 1: and we got to score. So what happens is, you

2701
02:22:12,840 --> 02:22:16,360
Speaker 1: know the defense, Jack, you mentioned the third down, third

2702
02:22:16,360 --> 02:22:18,920
Speaker 1: and one, because the first the first run of that

2703
02:22:18,959 --> 02:22:21,720
Speaker 1: first play, that drive, they pick up seven, then they

2704
02:22:21,760 --> 02:22:25,039
Speaker 1: pick up two. It's third and one, and again I

2705
02:22:25,080 --> 02:22:27,160
Speaker 1: know Cox makes it because we bring in the goal

2706
02:22:27,240 --> 02:22:31,720
Speaker 1: line defense. Seymour takes out the full back John Ritchie,

2707
02:22:31,760 --> 02:22:34,320
Speaker 1: and then Zach Crockett runs into the back him. We

2708
02:22:34,400 --> 02:22:37,119
Speaker 1: stop him, and then Cox hits them up high three

2709
02:22:37,160 --> 02:22:39,080
Speaker 1: and out. We burn the timeouts, and then on that

2710
02:22:39,120 --> 02:22:42,120
Speaker 1: third down play, we don't burn the time out. Well,

2711
02:22:42,480 --> 02:22:44,320
Speaker 1: at the end of that play, if you look at

2712
02:22:44,320 --> 02:22:47,680
Speaker 1: the at the TV copy, there's like six guys run

2713
02:22:47,720 --> 02:22:51,200
Speaker 1: into the officials time out after every single snap. But

2714
02:22:51,520 --> 02:22:55,000
Speaker 1: the officials stopped the clock, so we still got one

2715
02:22:55,040 --> 02:22:58,560
Speaker 1: in the pocket. But then soon the measurement, right, they

2716
02:22:58,560 --> 02:23:00,840
Speaker 1: do the measurement. Then as soon as that's a boom,

2717
02:23:00,920 --> 02:23:04,160
Speaker 1: time out gives you so much more time to think

2718
02:23:04,200 --> 02:23:07,200
Speaker 1: on what the situation's next. It was two nineteen left

2719
02:23:07,280 --> 02:23:09,320
Speaker 1: because at that moment we were still going to get

2720
02:23:09,360 --> 02:23:14,880
Speaker 1: the two minute for that fourth timeout three. So again,

2721
02:23:15,280 --> 02:23:18,320
Speaker 1: once again, that was the team was it was the

2722
02:23:18,400 --> 02:23:21,680
Speaker 1: defense helping the offense three and out and in those moments,

2723
02:23:22,800 --> 02:23:24,320
Speaker 1: you just never felt like you were out of it.

2724
02:23:24,480 --> 02:23:27,120
Speaker 2: Never feel like you're out of it. And this game

2725
02:23:28,200 --> 02:23:34,320
Speaker 2: started that. That whole feeling for this organization, like all

2726
02:23:34,920 --> 02:23:37,960
Speaker 2: the games that I was a part of, was because

2727
02:23:38,000 --> 02:23:41,240
Speaker 2: of this game. That's how important this game was, because

2728
02:23:41,280 --> 02:23:45,959
Speaker 2: this was an example of everything that the coaching staff

2729
02:23:46,720 --> 02:23:49,440
Speaker 2: was preaching to the team that a lot of the

2730
02:23:49,520 --> 02:23:52,760
Speaker 2: times sometimes got to like this never fucking happened. You're

2731
02:23:52,840 --> 02:23:54,200
Speaker 2: sitting up there in the auditory in.

2732
02:23:55,800 --> 02:24:00,440
Speaker 1: Games aren't lost, Special teams don't matter, Penalties don't fuck that.

2733
02:24:00,680 --> 02:24:01,280
Speaker 1: We just did.

2734
02:24:02,040 --> 02:24:05,920
Speaker 2: This game exemplified everything that you needed to do.

2735
02:24:06,160 --> 02:24:10,120
Speaker 1: But it wasn't just coaching. No players got no, it

2736
02:24:10,160 --> 02:24:14,800
Speaker 1: was players. It was coaching, but it was an organizational, institutional,

2737
02:24:15,640 --> 02:24:20,240
Speaker 1: cultural thing that existed there because that moment, being prepared

2738
02:24:20,280 --> 02:24:24,400
Speaker 1: for anything, everything and being ready to execute that happened

2739
02:24:25,080 --> 02:24:27,440
Speaker 1: eight months earlier in the NFL Draft. We were ready

2740
02:24:27,480 --> 02:24:31,800
Speaker 1: to make that Matt Light trade. It was everything about

2741
02:24:31,800 --> 02:24:35,760
Speaker 1: this organization That's what we were about. Everyone was dialed in.

2742
02:24:35,879 --> 02:24:38,840
Speaker 1: It was a way of life, you know. So, yeah,

2743
02:24:38,879 --> 02:24:40,640
Speaker 1: it was the coaches. Yeah, it was the head coach. Yeah,

2744
02:24:40,640 --> 02:24:44,600
Speaker 1: it was the personnel department, it was it was it

2745
02:24:44,680 --> 02:24:47,360
Speaker 1: was yeah everyone, It was Richard Miller being ready to

2746
02:24:47,400 --> 02:24:51,000
Speaker 1: help with the contracts. It was. There was this institutional buying.

2747
02:24:51,120 --> 02:24:54,600
Speaker 1: But to your point, I love what you're saying here.

2748
02:24:54,920 --> 02:25:00,520
Speaker 1: This validated all of the crazy. This validated all of

2749
02:25:00,560 --> 02:25:06,800
Speaker 1: the detail, all of the maniacal, borderline crazy stuff about

2750
02:25:07,000 --> 02:25:10,440
Speaker 1: every little thing mattering, because again it goes back to

2751
02:25:10,480 --> 02:25:12,600
Speaker 1: the matt Light trade and being ready for that, being

2752
02:25:12,640 --> 02:25:16,720
Speaker 1: ready to you know, sign Ken Walter in November, being

2753
02:25:17,200 --> 02:25:19,440
Speaker 1: ready to.

2754
02:25:18,520 --> 02:25:20,800
Speaker 2: Move on from your hundred million dollar quarterback for this

2755
02:25:20,879 --> 02:25:23,359
Speaker 2: Pip squeak guy in the sixth round.

2756
02:25:23,640 --> 02:25:28,520
Speaker 1: That how was that conversation? Yes, we gave come on,

2757
02:25:28,560 --> 02:25:32,360
Speaker 1: we're on a roll here, don't care, come on, quit

2758
02:25:32,440 --> 02:25:36,760
Speaker 1: bringing me over man, So Vinitarry goes out.

2759
02:25:37,080 --> 02:25:39,480
Speaker 5: It's two of the greatest kicks in NFL history. In

2760
02:25:39,600 --> 02:25:44,119
Speaker 5: twenty three yarder, in a forty five yarder twenty three.

2761
02:25:43,920 --> 02:25:46,000
Speaker 2: Sorry, Now what's it feel like when he hits that

2762
02:25:46,080 --> 02:25:50,920
Speaker 2: second one? And we've seen the we've seen the the footage,

2763
02:25:51,080 --> 02:25:53,640
Speaker 2: how crazy the footing was just another day at the

2764
02:25:53,680 --> 02:25:58,240
Speaker 2: office for all. For Vinitarry like, it's nothing like when

2765
02:25:58,280 --> 02:26:02,040
Speaker 2: that goes in. Is that when you were you guys

2766
02:26:02,080 --> 02:26:05,280
Speaker 2: like we could win a fucking super Bowl here because

2767
02:26:05,280 --> 02:26:08,480
Speaker 2: they were a huge Yeah, they were the favorite for

2768
02:26:08,560 --> 02:26:09,560
Speaker 2: the AFC.

2769
02:26:09,879 --> 02:26:12,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, I wasn't even thinking about the super Bowl. Here's

2770
02:26:12,840 --> 02:26:15,160
Speaker 1: what But here's like some of some of the wild

2771
02:26:15,240 --> 02:26:18,120
Speaker 1: stuff that leads even up to that. First of all,

2772
02:26:18,400 --> 02:26:23,160
Speaker 1: the game tying field goal was one of the most emotional, singular,

2773
02:26:23,280 --> 02:26:28,800
Speaker 1: emotional moments in my life. Lost the game snowball rule

2774
02:26:29,680 --> 02:26:33,320
Speaker 1: and I'll never forget Ernie. We're looking there's the fog

2775
02:26:33,400 --> 02:26:35,480
Speaker 1: in the window. You're looking to the far right because

2776
02:26:35,520 --> 02:26:37,879
Speaker 1: the press box in those days it wasn't at the

2777
02:26:37,879 --> 02:26:40,040
Speaker 1: fifty yard line it was, you know, because that's where

2778
02:26:40,560 --> 02:26:44,840
Speaker 1: those were the money making sweets. So we're at this

2779
02:26:45,800 --> 02:26:49,560
Speaker 1: point of vantage, point of disadvantage. And the angle that

2780
02:26:49,560 --> 02:26:51,640
Speaker 1: we were watching is the fox was saying it was low,

2781
02:26:52,120 --> 02:26:54,360
Speaker 1: and the ball looks like it was on a straight line,

2782
02:26:54,400 --> 02:26:57,120
Speaker 1: and I swear it looked like it went by the

2783
02:26:57,120 --> 02:27:00,400
Speaker 1: crossbar and dropped straight down. It looks like it's it

2784
02:27:01,600 --> 02:27:04,920
Speaker 1: and so that was crazy. But then for the second

2785
02:27:05,320 --> 02:27:07,600
Speaker 1: field goal, the game winner. Here's the other part that

2786
02:27:07,640 --> 02:27:12,200
Speaker 1: I remember distinctly was the whole icing the kicker thing.

2787
02:27:13,280 --> 02:27:17,959
Speaker 1: And I don't even know if the TV game captures this,

2788
02:27:18,080 --> 02:27:21,760
Speaker 1: but Bird's called time out. Gruden calls time out, and

2789
02:27:21,800 --> 02:27:24,120
Speaker 1: again this is like I get I'm like, try not

2790
02:27:24,160 --> 02:27:27,200
Speaker 1: to get emotional talking about this, but it was one

2791
02:27:27,240 --> 02:27:34,680
Speaker 1: of those organic moments of our team. The time out

2792
02:27:34,680 --> 02:27:39,280
Speaker 1: gets called, the linemen turn around, go back to where

2793
02:27:39,360 --> 02:27:43,280
Speaker 1: Kenny Walter is and start clearing the snow. No one

2794
02:27:43,280 --> 02:27:45,879
Speaker 1: told me to do that. They knew Adam needed a place.

2795
02:27:46,680 --> 02:27:49,040
Speaker 1: It was like, here's a time you talk about situation.

2796
02:27:49,320 --> 02:27:51,160
Speaker 1: They just all went do they help the guy clear

2797
02:27:51,560 --> 02:27:53,520
Speaker 1: the spot so he could kick the game winner. And

2798
02:27:53,560 --> 02:27:56,640
Speaker 1: again I get emotional, because I mean, this is what

2799
02:27:56,720 --> 02:27:59,440
Speaker 1: this game is about, right, this is what football is about.

2800
02:27:59,520 --> 02:28:03,920
Speaker 1: It's about the community, the brotherhood, the sisterhood, the whole

2801
02:28:04,640 --> 02:28:07,320
Speaker 1: all of us together doing something so we can all

2802
02:28:08,680 --> 02:28:12,680
Speaker 1: and and be rewarded and and have this lifetime thing together.

2803
02:28:12,720 --> 02:28:16,080
Speaker 1: And that's I mean, that was one of those moments.

2804
02:28:16,280 --> 02:28:18,720
Speaker 1: It was so even before the kick going in, it

2805
02:28:18,800 --> 02:28:21,160
Speaker 1: was just like I don't know, man, it's just it.

2806
02:28:22,200 --> 02:28:25,440
Speaker 1: That's that's football, that's ball, that's football. That's why we

2807
02:28:25,480 --> 02:28:27,840
Speaker 1: signed up. That's why we depend on one another. That's

2808
02:28:27,879 --> 02:28:30,320
Speaker 1: what That's why you're you're trying to get this collection

2809
02:28:30,360 --> 02:28:32,560
Speaker 1: of people and you're trying to build this thing that

2810
02:28:32,680 --> 02:28:35,440
Speaker 1: is your family, that is your community, that is your

2811
02:28:35,840 --> 02:28:38,879
Speaker 1: you know, people you'll know for life. That's why you

2812
02:28:38,920 --> 02:28:43,720
Speaker 1: watched all them tapes. That's why we lifted all them weights. Yeah.

2813
02:28:43,840 --> 02:28:46,120
Speaker 1: That was my daughter's quote, or our daughter's quote in

2814
02:28:46,160 --> 02:28:48,360
Speaker 1: her senior yearbook. You know, they had to have to

2815
02:28:48,400 --> 02:28:51,720
Speaker 1: have a quote. Of course, that's her father's line. She

2816
02:28:51,840 --> 02:28:55,039
Speaker 1: just wrote, that's why we lift all that money. If

2817
02:28:55,040 --> 02:28:56,840
Speaker 1: that's not somebody that knows, Baul, I don't know what

2818
02:28:56,959 --> 02:29:03,160
Speaker 1: is married again? Right? An all time? There? I got

2819
02:29:03,200 --> 02:29:06,400
Speaker 1: a little misty there. Oh, oh my god.

2820
02:29:06,560 --> 02:29:08,320
Speaker 6: How do you not get like the moneyball code? How

2821
02:29:08,360 --> 02:29:09,360
Speaker 6: do you not get emotional?

2822
02:29:09,920 --> 02:29:10,320
Speaker 1: Amen?

2823
02:29:10,840 --> 02:29:14,560
Speaker 5: And the Patriots win sixteen to thirteen. A dynasty is.

2824
02:29:14,520 --> 02:29:18,760
Speaker 1: Born, not yet on its way, on its way, on

2825
02:29:18,840 --> 02:29:19,600
Speaker 1: its way.

2826
02:29:19,680 --> 02:29:23,200
Speaker 5: And go on to beat Pittsburgh in the AFC Championship Game.

2827
02:29:23,360 --> 02:29:27,600
Speaker 5: Drew Bledsoe saves the day, and then how is the.

2828
02:29:27,520 --> 02:29:31,800
Speaker 2: Super Bowl aftermath, Drew bledsoe plays two great quarters. What's

2829
02:29:31,879 --> 02:29:33,160
Speaker 2: the conversation, Like, he.

2830
02:29:33,160 --> 02:29:35,600
Speaker 1: Saves the season, he saves the season. How do you

2831
02:29:35,600 --> 02:29:40,280
Speaker 1: go back to the team, because because you know in

2832
02:29:40,360 --> 02:29:42,440
Speaker 1: practice it was and you know, Tommy is the guy.

2833
02:29:43,040 --> 02:29:45,240
Speaker 1: You know, and you know and and and and at

2834
02:29:45,240 --> 02:29:48,039
Speaker 1: that point he was a guy. But again this goes back,

2835
02:29:48,080 --> 02:29:51,880
Speaker 1: when did he become the collective? When did you know

2836
02:29:51,920 --> 02:29:55,960
Speaker 1: that he was the guy going forward? Was like, so

2837
02:29:56,200 --> 02:29:59,040
Speaker 1: here's the thing again, let's go retro to two thousand,

2838
02:29:59,440 --> 02:30:04,720
Speaker 1: his rookie year. Again, people don't remember the details, like

2839
02:30:04,920 --> 02:30:08,320
Speaker 1: some of us remember the details of our fifty three

2840
02:30:08,360 --> 02:30:10,119
Speaker 1: man roster. And I think at that point in time

2841
02:30:10,160 --> 02:30:13,400
Speaker 1: there was only four practice squad players and bumped up

2842
02:30:13,440 --> 02:30:16,440
Speaker 1: to five. But that year there was a point in

2843
02:30:16,520 --> 02:30:19,680
Speaker 1: time where we had only fifty one players on our

2844
02:30:19,720 --> 02:30:20,880
Speaker 1: fifty three man roster.

2845
02:30:21,200 --> 02:30:21,640
Speaker 5: It was a.

2846
02:30:21,520 --> 02:30:25,080
Speaker 1: Combination of salary cap issues and because we were close

2847
02:30:25,080 --> 02:30:27,320
Speaker 1: to the cap, we were mugged up against it. But

2848
02:30:27,400 --> 02:30:31,440
Speaker 1: the other thing was there were certain players we were

2849
02:30:31,480 --> 02:30:35,200
Speaker 1: all in a certain way, and we said we're not

2850
02:30:35,240 --> 02:30:36,840
Speaker 1: going to keep someone on the roster just to have

2851
02:30:36,879 --> 02:30:39,520
Speaker 1: a player on the roster if they're not all in

2852
02:30:40,200 --> 02:30:42,640
Speaker 1: so we actually had fifty two players, fifty one players

2853
02:30:42,640 --> 02:30:45,320
Speaker 1: at one point in time, but we kept four quarterbacks

2854
02:30:46,040 --> 02:30:49,120
Speaker 1: on the fifty three man roster. Right we had we

2855
02:30:49,160 --> 02:30:53,879
Speaker 1: had Bledsoe. We had John Freeze, Michael Bishop and Tommy

2856
02:30:54,360 --> 02:30:57,240
Speaker 1: and we knew Tommy was We felt Tommy was developable.

2857
02:30:57,400 --> 02:31:00,480
Speaker 1: Is that a word? Depable? It is now? It is.

2858
02:31:00,959 --> 02:31:02,920
Speaker 1: I don't know whether that would get you to scrabble

2859
02:31:02,959 --> 02:31:10,120
Speaker 1: how many points? Yeah? Me? Neither monopoly like monopoly. But

2860
02:31:10,640 --> 02:31:13,320
Speaker 1: he developed and I remember thinking by so by two

2861
02:31:13,320 --> 02:31:15,920
Speaker 1: thousand and one, he's our backup quarterback Damon Hue. We

2862
02:31:15,959 --> 02:31:18,000
Speaker 1: have Damon Cube now we'd signed him in the off

2863
02:31:18,040 --> 02:31:21,520
Speaker 1: season as a as a free agent. Then there was

2864
02:31:21,959 --> 02:31:25,160
Speaker 1: there were internal conversations that we felt, you know, if

2865
02:31:25,240 --> 02:31:28,800
Speaker 1: and when the point comes, this guy might be our guy.

2866
02:31:29,000 --> 02:31:31,800
Speaker 1: Because the the other thing about Drew was you have

2867
02:31:31,840 --> 02:31:35,080
Speaker 1: to remember we knew what his kryptonite was because we

2868
02:31:35,160 --> 02:31:38,000
Speaker 1: had been in the Jets the three previous seasons, and

2869
02:31:39,040 --> 02:31:43,280
Speaker 1: what was his kryptonite pressure that he could see in

2870
02:31:43,280 --> 02:31:48,000
Speaker 1: his face between the guards and additional pocket. But that

2871
02:31:48,200 --> 02:31:50,640
Speaker 1: but here's the thing is, and I have so much

2872
02:31:50,680 --> 02:31:53,560
Speaker 1: respect for Drew. I like I think the world, drew

2873
02:31:53,560 --> 02:31:56,800
Speaker 1: it in respect for him and what had happened at

2874
02:31:56,800 --> 02:31:59,959
Speaker 1: that point in Drew's career. He had been hit literally

2875
02:32:00,120 --> 02:32:03,039
Speaker 1: in the mouth so many times from things that came

2876
02:32:03,120 --> 02:32:04,800
Speaker 1: up the middle, from the pressure of the middle.

2877
02:32:05,760 --> 02:32:09,240
Speaker 3: And and that means you don't look at when that happens.

2878
02:32:08,840 --> 02:32:09,680
Speaker 1: To a quarterback.

2879
02:32:10,560 --> 02:32:14,560
Speaker 2: You don't you're not processing processing the play anymore. You're

2880
02:32:14,560 --> 02:32:19,480
Speaker 2: feeling the rush and that half a millisecond, quarter millisecond,

2881
02:32:19,520 --> 02:32:22,120
Speaker 2: whatever it is, that's when the guy's open. So if

2882
02:32:22,160 --> 02:32:25,680
Speaker 2: you miss that, it doesn't matter how strong your arm is.

2883
02:32:25,879 --> 02:32:27,160
Speaker 2: That that's that's.

2884
02:32:27,040 --> 02:32:29,200
Speaker 1: What you get. A case of that, that's I don't

2885
02:32:29,240 --> 02:32:30,800
Speaker 1: know if that Yeah, And I used to get pissed

2886
02:32:30,800 --> 02:32:33,760
Speaker 1: off of people that would criticize Drew for that, because

2887
02:32:34,280 --> 02:32:37,520
Speaker 1: that's a human being being human. Yeah, he got he

2888
02:32:38,400 --> 02:32:41,520
Speaker 1: got hit and and and at some point in time.

2889
02:32:41,959 --> 02:32:44,880
Speaker 1: The key to being a quarterback is not just people

2890
02:32:44,959 --> 02:32:47,560
Speaker 1: oh he's smart, he's smart. It doesn't matter how smart

2891
02:32:47,640 --> 02:32:49,959
Speaker 1: they are. You can you know, you go up on

2892
02:32:50,000 --> 02:32:52,360
Speaker 1: the grease board and x'es and O is all day long,

2893
02:32:52,400 --> 02:32:54,600
Speaker 1: and you've got time. But when you add in the

2894
02:32:54,720 --> 02:32:57,120
Speaker 1: element of the intensity of a game, the speed of

2895
02:32:57,160 --> 02:32:59,840
Speaker 1: the game and getting punched in the mouth and can

2896
02:33:00,040 --> 02:33:03,200
Speaker 1: still make good decisions. It's about good decision making, not

2897
02:33:03,280 --> 02:33:06,120
Speaker 1: just being smart. And and and I'll tell you, man,

2898
02:33:06,280 --> 02:33:08,879
Speaker 1: Drew hung in that season and I had to be

2899
02:33:08,920 --> 02:33:13,440
Speaker 1: told I can't imagine, I can't imagine. And then to

2900
02:33:13,520 --> 02:33:17,320
Speaker 1: be ready and to to win the a f C

2901
02:33:17,520 --> 02:33:21,439
Speaker 1: Championship game. Man, and just you talk about a soldier

2902
02:33:21,480 --> 02:33:25,320
Speaker 1: about a war. My respect for Drew Bledsoe is tremendous.

2903
02:33:25,440 --> 02:33:28,440
Speaker 2: I think Tom phrased up the best. You know that

2904
02:33:28,520 --> 02:33:29,800
Speaker 2: that was the Patriot way.

2905
02:33:30,360 --> 02:33:30,520
Speaker 1: You know.

2906
02:33:30,600 --> 02:33:33,040
Speaker 2: It's the mental toughness, doing what's best for the team

2907
02:33:33,040 --> 02:33:35,040
Speaker 2: when it may not be best for you, you know.

2908
02:33:35,080 --> 02:33:38,240
Speaker 2: And Tom said that, I think Brady Day about Drew,

2909
02:33:39,040 --> 02:33:39,240
Speaker 2: you know.

2910
02:33:39,360 --> 02:33:40,840
Speaker 1: And and it's a.

2911
02:33:40,840 --> 02:33:45,680
Speaker 2: Business, it's crazy sport. There's always there's only one quarterback.

2912
02:33:46,120 --> 02:33:49,720
Speaker 2: But you know that that's that's how it goes sometimes.

2913
02:33:49,920 --> 02:33:51,360
Speaker 2: Drew had a hell of a career. He was a

2914
02:33:51,400 --> 02:33:55,240
Speaker 2: great quarter Andrew three top three quarterback.

2915
02:33:56,920 --> 02:34:00,440
Speaker 1: Behind him. He can still the g shake.

2916
02:34:00,600 --> 02:34:02,519
Speaker 6: Oh my god, he got big hands.

2917
02:34:02,200 --> 02:34:04,680
Speaker 1: Doesn't he have? He's got huge But I'll tell you what,

2918
02:34:04,760 --> 02:34:08,360
Speaker 1: Number twelve's got enormous hands. You know what you say, Hey,

2919
02:34:08,400 --> 02:34:10,160
Speaker 1: I don't know. You know what they say about big hands,

2920
02:34:10,200 --> 02:34:13,119
Speaker 1: big gloves exactly, big gloves. The thing is when when

2921
02:34:13,160 --> 02:34:15,360
Speaker 1: when Tommy's holding the ball, though, and you look at

2922
02:34:15,360 --> 02:34:18,800
Speaker 1: still shots of him holding the ball. I'm convinced that's

2923
02:34:18,840 --> 02:34:22,400
Speaker 1: a big part of the reason for his accuracy in

2924
02:34:22,480 --> 02:34:24,520
Speaker 1: the weather and the elements that he played in so

2925
02:34:24,520 --> 02:34:28,400
Speaker 1: many times. Yeah, in his career never phased him. We

2926
02:34:28,480 --> 02:34:31,360
Speaker 1: drafted Cliff Kingsbury and I remember Parcel said this to me,

2927
02:34:31,400 --> 02:34:35,440
Speaker 1: because do you how small his hands are? Cliff Kingsbury

2928
02:34:35,440 --> 02:34:39,320
Speaker 1: had small hands, and it was Yeah, I don't know

2929
02:34:39,320 --> 02:34:42,720
Speaker 1: if it played into his ability to control the ball

2930
02:34:42,879 --> 02:34:45,880
Speaker 1: in the anyway. Can you pick it this small hands

2931
02:34:45,920 --> 02:34:47,359
Speaker 1: turned into a good coach, good.

2932
02:34:47,160 --> 02:34:50,680
Speaker 6: Coach, they say, small hands, good offense.

2933
02:34:51,160 --> 02:34:53,120
Speaker 5: Can you pick it? Super Bowl winning coach in the

2934
02:34:53,160 --> 02:34:53,960
Speaker 5: next twenty years?

2935
02:34:54,080 --> 02:34:56,800
Speaker 1: Can we go on to the aftermath of this Jackie.

2936
02:34:56,520 --> 02:34:59,840
Speaker 5: All right, the Patriots going to win Super Bowl thirty six,

2937
02:35:00,240 --> 02:35:02,040
Speaker 5: beating the greatest show on turf?

2938
02:35:02,640 --> 02:35:05,800
Speaker 3: And like to say his favorite line of that.

2939
02:35:06,240 --> 02:35:10,680
Speaker 5: Dynasty, Yeah, to quote the great Ernie Adams.

2940
02:35:10,760 --> 02:35:13,279
Speaker 3: No, but he was quoting Adam Or was it Archieletta

2941
02:35:13,360 --> 02:35:14,520
Speaker 3: or is it Ricky prol.

2942
02:35:16,160 --> 02:35:19,600
Speaker 5: Yeah, and Ernie gave him the royal in your face.

2943
02:35:19,680 --> 02:35:24,800
Speaker 2: Ricky Gruden went to Tampa on that. I also had

2944
02:35:24,840 --> 02:35:28,320
Speaker 2: one more thing. Did in this game planning we didn't

2945
02:35:28,320 --> 02:35:31,800
Speaker 2: get into it for Gruden. Did Bill bring out a

2946
02:35:31,840 --> 02:35:34,000
Speaker 2: lot of the Giants forty nine.

2947
02:35:33,920 --> 02:35:36,280
Speaker 1: Ers tape because they probably had a lot of the

2948
02:35:36,360 --> 02:35:39,199
Speaker 1: similar schemes because.

2949
02:35:38,959 --> 02:35:42,039
Speaker 2: Gruden was under Home Green Home grin, you know, with

2950
02:35:42,040 --> 02:35:45,400
Speaker 2: with Walsh, Walsh, and I think he was even with

2951
02:35:45,520 --> 02:35:47,480
Speaker 2: Niners with Sea for ninety.

2952
02:35:47,640 --> 02:35:50,240
Speaker 1: You know, you know, I don't know specifically for that,

2953
02:35:50,320 --> 02:35:55,119
Speaker 1: but here's it's so funny an interesting question just from

2954
02:35:55,120 --> 02:35:59,240
Speaker 1: the standpoint where you know part of Bill's leadership that

2955
02:35:59,280 --> 02:36:02,200
Speaker 1: I always thought it was so important he was. Bill's

2956
02:36:02,200 --> 02:36:06,000
Speaker 1: a terrific listener. Yeah, I say that, And he knows

2957
02:36:06,040 --> 02:36:08,840
Speaker 1: how to and who to ask questions. And you know

2958
02:36:09,000 --> 02:36:11,440
Speaker 1: Ernie as you know, sometimes to be hey, Ernie, what's

2959
02:36:11,480 --> 02:36:14,120
Speaker 1: the and Ernie with d you know, he and it

2960
02:36:14,120 --> 02:36:17,039
Speaker 1: would just come out. But the other person I'll never

2961
02:36:17,040 --> 02:36:19,039
Speaker 1: forget is coming out of it. It was a staff meeting,

2962
02:36:19,160 --> 02:36:22,000
Speaker 1: and it was a personnel meeting, staff personnel with the

2963
02:36:22,040 --> 02:36:26,280
Speaker 1: coaching staff, and we're coming out of the meeting and

2964
02:36:26,280 --> 02:36:28,960
Speaker 1: and Bill and I are just standing in the hallway

2965
02:36:28,959 --> 02:36:32,879
Speaker 1: and he's waiting for Pepper. And Pepper comes out and

2966
02:36:33,040 --> 02:36:37,480
Speaker 1: he goes, hey, Pepper, remember the San Francisco game nineteen

2967
02:36:37,560 --> 02:36:42,039
Speaker 1: eighty and he and in the third quarter and Bill

2968
02:36:42,120 --> 02:36:45,280
Speaker 1: was trying to remember something and Pepper Johnson. This is

2969
02:36:45,280 --> 02:36:47,840
Speaker 1: one of the things I remember this too where I

2970
02:36:47,920 --> 02:36:51,520
Speaker 1: understood the value of Pepper Johnson. He was a chemistry guy,

2971
02:36:51,600 --> 02:36:55,039
Speaker 1: he was, but he was this recall guy. Also. Pepper

2972
02:36:55,080 --> 02:36:59,000
Speaker 1: just goes, oh yeah, and he spits out, oh yeah,

2973
02:36:59,040 --> 02:37:01,560
Speaker 1: it was a third quarter or third and seven. You know,

2974
02:37:01,560 --> 02:37:03,840
Speaker 1: he just makes up this it's third and whatever. We're

2975
02:37:03,879 --> 02:37:07,279
Speaker 1: on the right hash defensively, and he had the whole

2976
02:37:07,320 --> 02:37:10,160
Speaker 1: thing and they were in three by one or two

2977
02:37:10,160 --> 02:37:13,080
Speaker 1: by one, and he just repeated the like and but

2978
02:37:13,160 --> 02:37:15,200
Speaker 1: he looked away from Bill and it was almost like

2979
02:37:15,280 --> 02:37:18,320
Speaker 1: Rain managed Pepa Johnson. And he was just like and

2980
02:37:18,600 --> 02:37:21,240
Speaker 1: I was like, but that was part of the you know,

2981
02:37:21,560 --> 02:37:24,640
Speaker 1: you bring up something like that, did Bill. Bill not

2982
02:37:24,720 --> 02:37:27,840
Speaker 1: only had the tape and had his own recall, he

2983
02:37:27,959 --> 02:37:31,320
Speaker 1: had people around him that recalled, that had recall, and

2984
02:37:31,360 --> 02:37:34,000
Speaker 1: Pepper was never I'll never forget that moment with Pepper

2985
02:37:34,000 --> 02:37:37,320
Speaker 1: out in the Hallway, think wow, and and Pepper remember

2986
02:37:37,320 --> 02:37:39,560
Speaker 1: what the call was, what the adjustment was? I think

2987
02:37:39,600 --> 02:37:41,480
Speaker 1: I know that call because was it was it? The

2988
02:37:42,320 --> 02:37:46,000
Speaker 1: was it the oh he's making this?

2989
02:37:46,640 --> 02:37:49,680
Speaker 2: Was it a was it a trap play? A double

2990
02:37:49,760 --> 02:37:54,000
Speaker 2: trap play where he wanted to show Banks or lt

2991
02:37:54,280 --> 02:37:57,199
Speaker 2: blowing up what you had to do to the trap guy?

2992
02:37:57,360 --> 02:38:00,600
Speaker 1: Because if it was an adjustment call, will want to

2993
02:38:00,959 --> 02:38:04,640
Speaker 1: know what the adjustment was that we made when they

2994
02:38:04,680 --> 02:38:08,080
Speaker 1: motioned something, and it was. Bill used a lot of

2995
02:38:08,080 --> 02:38:12,519
Speaker 1: those old I mean a lot of these plays. Yeah,

2996
02:38:12,560 --> 02:38:15,360
Speaker 1: the game has evolved, but a lot of some of

2997
02:38:15,400 --> 02:38:18,640
Speaker 1: these route run plays and stuff they've been running since

2998
02:38:18,680 --> 02:38:21,520
Speaker 1: the eighties. It's the same shit. And here's a funny

2999
02:38:21,520 --> 02:38:24,080
Speaker 1: thing too, because I remember early on Bill used to

3000
02:38:24,160 --> 02:38:27,440
Speaker 1: show the linebackers, talk about the linebackers, and then show

3001
02:38:27,760 --> 02:38:31,080
Speaker 1: like giants film, and I remember Rabel came out one

3002
02:38:31,080 --> 02:38:37,200
Speaker 1: time to practice dressed in giants gear. He's like, are

3003
02:38:37,240 --> 02:38:40,119
Speaker 1: you effing happy now? Because Rabel could do stuff, and

3004
02:38:40,520 --> 02:38:45,560
Speaker 1: Rabel did. Rabel more than anybody pushed across the line

3005
02:38:46,080 --> 02:38:49,280
Speaker 1: where it got uncomfortable sometimes like oh, Rabes might have

3006
02:38:49,360 --> 02:38:52,760
Speaker 1: gone too far that time, right. He Rabel's one of

3007
02:38:52,800 --> 02:38:54,960
Speaker 1: a kind. That way. He did it with Tommy like

3008
02:38:55,120 --> 02:38:58,200
Speaker 1: all the time. Oh, but he did it with Bill sometimes. Ook.

3009
02:38:58,240 --> 02:38:59,920
Speaker 1: You may not have wanted to go there.

3010
02:39:00,720 --> 02:39:03,400
Speaker 3: He's a he's a vicious Matt Like.

3011
02:39:04,160 --> 02:39:08,000
Speaker 1: Oh, that's because Matt Light will get you uncomfortable in

3012
02:39:08,000 --> 02:39:10,840
Speaker 1: a jokingly fun way. Rabel will just go through your throat.

3013
02:39:11,680 --> 02:39:15,199
Speaker 1: When he comes straight for your throat, He'll talk about anything,

3014
02:39:15,440 --> 02:39:21,240
Speaker 1: any means necessary, wife, kids, fucking mom, dad, He doesn't care,

3015
02:39:21,959 --> 02:39:27,080
Speaker 1: and then no remorse afterwards. Zero what football's fucking football?

3016
02:39:27,200 --> 02:39:32,480
Speaker 1: Gross sack. Oh my gosh. But that's part, you know,

3017
02:39:32,560 --> 02:39:34,959
Speaker 1: And that's the thing is he would do things and

3018
02:39:34,959 --> 02:39:37,480
Speaker 1: say things. And here's the thing I remember talking when

3019
02:39:37,560 --> 02:39:40,840
Speaker 1: Rabel was coming out and getting to know a little bit.

3020
02:39:40,920 --> 02:39:43,480
Speaker 1: You know, who is college college drum was Luke Fickle,

3021
02:39:44,320 --> 02:39:48,800
Speaker 1: and Luke was like this epic wrestler, but Rabel was

3022
02:39:49,240 --> 02:39:51,240
Speaker 1: so there were these stories when you talk to the

3023
02:39:51,320 --> 02:39:54,959
Speaker 1: people at Ohio State, there were these epic stories of

3024
02:39:55,080 --> 02:39:58,880
Speaker 1: wrestling matches and fights that Rabel, like two brothers would

3025
02:39:58,920 --> 02:40:02,440
Speaker 1: have you know, where they're like destroying dorm rooms and

3026
02:40:02,840 --> 02:40:07,400
Speaker 1: just and to the death. Oh my god, but that's Rabel.

3027
02:40:08,160 --> 02:40:08,959
Speaker 1: Fucking raids.

3028
02:40:09,240 --> 02:40:11,440
Speaker 2: We gotta get them on here, got to Oh my god,

3029
02:40:11,680 --> 02:40:13,840
Speaker 2: we'll be right back after this quick break.

3030
02:40:19,080 --> 02:40:21,960
Speaker 3: Let's name the game. Oh, we know this one.

3031
02:40:22,000 --> 02:40:24,080
Speaker 1: We know this one. It's not the tuck roll game.

3032
02:40:24,480 --> 02:40:27,800
Speaker 1: It's the snowball game. It is the snowball game.

3033
02:40:28,160 --> 02:40:31,040
Speaker 2: Is this the greatest game of all time? Let's score

3034
02:40:31,080 --> 02:40:37,160
Speaker 2: it stinks zero to ten? Ten b eight highest ten

3035
02:40:37,400 --> 02:40:40,000
Speaker 2: because if not, the season's over, season's over.

3036
02:40:40,640 --> 02:40:43,400
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go nine. It's divisional round. I feel that.

3037
02:40:43,440 --> 02:40:44,040
Speaker 1: I feel okay.

3038
02:40:45,040 --> 02:40:46,840
Speaker 6: Jack has an eight point nine. I have an eight

3039
02:40:46,840 --> 02:40:47,440
Speaker 6: point seven.

3040
02:40:47,560 --> 02:40:50,560
Speaker 1: I just broke a rule. Actually, you know, Juel, what's

3041
02:40:50,560 --> 02:40:54,160
Speaker 1: the rule? Thank you? What you know? In our grading scale,

3042
02:40:55,400 --> 02:40:59,160
Speaker 1: there's no hyperbole, right, there's no hyperbole. And I went

3043
02:40:59,240 --> 02:41:01,480
Speaker 1: ten right out of the game. That was emotion right there.

3044
02:41:01,680 --> 02:41:03,840
Speaker 1: You can't make an emotional no, and I just did

3045
02:41:03,879 --> 02:41:06,240
Speaker 1: this shows you how long I've been out of the game. Hey,

3046
02:41:06,680 --> 02:41:09,400
Speaker 1: you don't use it, you lose it. Remember that, listener,

3047
02:41:10,120 --> 02:41:10,640
Speaker 1: I suck?

3048
02:41:11,640 --> 02:41:13,240
Speaker 6: Hey, hold on, do you want another take at it?

3049
02:41:13,280 --> 02:41:16,560
Speaker 6: Because everyone comes tens. I usually say ten and then

3050
02:41:16,640 --> 02:41:17,280
Speaker 6: we just move on.

3051
02:41:17,360 --> 02:41:19,320
Speaker 1: But no, I just think I needed to say that

3052
02:41:19,320 --> 02:41:22,240
Speaker 1: out loud as kind of therapy. But now if I

3053
02:41:22,320 --> 02:41:24,560
Speaker 1: go where Jewels is going here? Then I look like

3054
02:41:24,600 --> 02:41:27,560
Speaker 1: that scout who's well, well, Julian said, I'm going with

3055
02:41:27,600 --> 02:41:29,360
Speaker 1: the nine. No, so I'm sticking with my stick.

3056
02:41:30,200 --> 02:41:30,560
Speaker 5: I like it.

3057
02:41:30,600 --> 02:41:32,160
Speaker 6: By Jack got a eight point nine out of eight

3058
02:41:32,160 --> 02:41:33,080
Speaker 6: point seven.

3059
02:41:33,080 --> 02:41:37,320
Speaker 1: Star power zero to ten decimals. Okay, well we're talking

3060
02:41:37,680 --> 02:41:41,160
Speaker 1: which teams all everywhere? Everywhere? I mean I think they've

3061
02:41:41,200 --> 02:41:45,080
Speaker 1: got the greatest Hall of famers on their roster in

3062
02:41:45,120 --> 02:41:45,440
Speaker 1: that game.

3063
02:41:45,480 --> 02:41:51,080
Speaker 9: I want to say, rich is Eric Allen, I don't

3064
02:41:51,080 --> 02:41:56,480
Speaker 9: believe no, Right, so he'll he'll be dam Al Davis

3065
02:41:56,640 --> 02:41:58,040
Speaker 9: is still He's still at the helm.

3066
02:41:58,080 --> 02:41:59,840
Speaker 1: So we're talking. There's a bunch of Hall of famers.

3067
02:42:00,720 --> 02:42:04,400
Speaker 1: Was a great coach, great coach, great coach, John Gruden.

3068
02:42:05,560 --> 02:42:08,800
Speaker 1: Then look at the Patriots, right thy Law, Richard Seymour,

3069
02:42:10,879 --> 02:42:13,720
Speaker 1: Tom Brady, Arry is gonna be there. You think Brady

3070
02:42:13,720 --> 02:42:17,040
Speaker 1: will get in? I think maybe you get places cards,

3071
02:42:17,120 --> 02:42:19,520
Speaker 1: right Bill? I mean Bill might be in next year

3072
02:42:19,840 --> 02:42:26,920
Speaker 1: based on this. So star power go nine nine solid,

3073
02:42:27,120 --> 02:42:28,440
Speaker 1: very solid. I couldn't go up.

3074
02:42:28,560 --> 02:42:32,680
Speaker 2: You know that's a I'm gonna go eight point nine respectable.

3075
02:42:33,040 --> 02:42:34,720
Speaker 1: It's a nine point one.

3076
02:42:35,160 --> 02:42:36,840
Speaker 6: So this is second year Brady too.

3077
02:42:36,959 --> 02:42:40,360
Speaker 1: So so here, by the way, So I'm gonna talk

3078
02:42:40,360 --> 02:42:42,640
Speaker 1: a little scouting grade grade. We had a scout on

3079
02:42:42,720 --> 02:42:45,720
Speaker 1: the on the staff, Jake Hallum. At the time, it

3080
02:42:45,800 --> 02:42:48,840
Speaker 1: was old school o G. And Jake was a great scout,

3081
02:42:49,040 --> 02:42:52,160
Speaker 1: you know, just had experience. But he would give a

3082
02:42:52,160 --> 02:42:54,320
Speaker 1: guy a grade and try to put in a decimal

3083
02:42:54,320 --> 02:42:57,480
Speaker 1: point and it's whole numbers, none of this nine point

3084
02:42:57,560 --> 02:43:00,160
Speaker 1: two stuff. And I go, Jake, do you like a

3085
02:43:00,160 --> 02:43:02,720
Speaker 1: guy or not? And you go, I like him, but

3086
02:43:03,120 --> 02:43:05,320
Speaker 1: he's a real country I like him, but I don't

3087
02:43:05,520 --> 02:43:08,959
Speaker 1: like like him. So really he's only so he would

3088
02:43:08,959 --> 02:43:12,680
Speaker 1: talk a like like like like or a little less like.

3089
02:43:12,840 --> 02:43:16,600
Speaker 1: He would say, so, can we go whole numbers here? Guys?

3090
02:43:16,600 --> 02:43:19,440
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm gonna make never mind. You can go

3091
02:43:19,520 --> 02:43:21,600
Speaker 1: home for the next I'm going.

3092
02:43:21,480 --> 02:43:25,720
Speaker 2: Whole numbers because a ninety two percent is different than

3093
02:43:25,720 --> 02:43:29,400
Speaker 2: a ninety percent and scaling of a grade. So if

3094
02:43:29,440 --> 02:43:32,440
Speaker 2: that's a a minus, that's that's a straight A.

3095
02:43:32,920 --> 02:43:35,840
Speaker 1: I was never in that stratus. Neither was I. I

3096
02:43:35,879 --> 02:43:36,960
Speaker 1: always looked at him.

3097
02:43:37,040 --> 02:43:40,400
Speaker 6: I had eight point four. My friends did nine point

3098
02:43:40,400 --> 02:43:41,080
Speaker 6: one from Jack.

3099
02:43:41,440 --> 02:43:44,720
Speaker 5: I gotta say I like, I like like like Scott's

3100
02:43:44,760 --> 02:43:47,920
Speaker 5: approach to this scoring. We're getting some good insight in

3101
02:43:47,959 --> 02:43:48,240
Speaker 5: the scout.

3102
02:43:48,320 --> 02:43:54,160
Speaker 1: He likes right there, I like like like him. Let's

3103
02:43:54,200 --> 02:43:56,320
Speaker 1: go and the scouts through the area. Of the scouts

3104
02:43:56,360 --> 02:43:59,039
Speaker 1: that were there, hear that they're gonna laugh their butts

3105
02:43:59,040 --> 02:44:01,959
Speaker 1: off because they know Jay. Gods, he was the best.

3106
02:44:02,240 --> 02:44:06,080
Speaker 1: Let's go Jay. Gameplay zero to ten. Gameplay, give me

3107
02:44:06,120 --> 02:44:09,600
Speaker 1: a definition back how the game went back and forth

3108
02:44:09,879 --> 02:44:15,840
Speaker 1: for the viewer last second? Field value entertainment? Enjoyable? Was

3109
02:44:15,879 --> 02:44:18,200
Speaker 1: it to watch? I think, you know, when you win,

3110
02:44:18,280 --> 02:44:22,280
Speaker 1: you think it's great. But even so, I'm again I'm

3111
02:44:22,840 --> 02:44:25,200
Speaker 1: I'm an emotional guy. I'm a sucker. I love that

3112
02:44:25,240 --> 02:44:27,400
Speaker 1: it was snow. I love that it was grass. I

3113
02:44:27,440 --> 02:44:29,680
Speaker 1: love that it was I love that it was a

3114
02:44:29,720 --> 02:44:31,959
Speaker 1: low scoring game. I know you're an offensive guy, but

3115
02:44:32,040 --> 02:44:33,080
Speaker 1: I love I.

3116
02:44:33,040 --> 02:44:35,000
Speaker 6: Love defense mattered.

3117
02:44:35,200 --> 02:44:37,840
Speaker 1: I'm going nine again. Man. All the guys that I

3118
02:44:37,959 --> 02:44:40,280
Speaker 1: worked with ore scouts are are like, they want to

3119
02:44:40,360 --> 02:44:42,600
Speaker 1: choke me out right now because I'm giving such high grades.

3120
02:44:42,760 --> 02:44:45,280
Speaker 2: I'm an offensive guy, so I gotta go with the

3121
02:44:45,840 --> 02:44:47,800
Speaker 2: There's a bunch of fumbles, and there's some bad you know.

3122
02:44:47,800 --> 02:44:49,680
Speaker 1: There are a couple of blues, a couple.

3123
02:44:49,400 --> 02:44:52,640
Speaker 5: Of muffs, and teamer.

3124
02:44:51,680 --> 02:44:54,240
Speaker 6: Controversial call, you know, like the refs getting in the mix.

3125
02:44:54,720 --> 02:44:58,240
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go with the seven point eight. So you're

3126
02:44:58,240 --> 02:45:01,000
Speaker 1: going on the quality of play when you're saying because

3127
02:45:01,040 --> 02:45:04,080
Speaker 1: of the fumbles, See, I wasn't looking at that scory.

3128
02:45:04,280 --> 02:45:06,760
Speaker 2: I mean, it's a great gameplay. This is I mean,

3129
02:45:06,760 --> 02:45:08,920
Speaker 2: it's we're still talking to it. We're talking about it

3130
02:45:08,959 --> 02:45:11,080
Speaker 2: twenty two years and not even a Super Bowl gave

3131
02:45:11,120 --> 02:45:13,119
Speaker 2: it an eight point four. I might have to make

3132
02:45:13,200 --> 02:45:16,440
Speaker 2: this and give this the Ernie Adams. I might need

3133
02:45:16,480 --> 02:45:20,200
Speaker 2: to go through this and redefine some of this scouting

3134
02:45:20,240 --> 02:45:20,959
Speaker 2: report here.

3135
02:45:20,959 --> 02:45:21,640
Speaker 1: We should be.

3136
02:45:21,920 --> 02:45:25,280
Speaker 6: It doesn't need a revamp. We need to event scoring.

3137
02:45:25,640 --> 02:45:27,160
Speaker 3: And if you're gonna do a binder, please keep it

3138
02:45:27,280 --> 02:45:28,039
Speaker 3: MLA format.

3139
02:45:28,080 --> 02:45:33,400
Speaker 1: Thank you. The name of the game, the Snowball. I

3140
02:45:33,440 --> 02:45:35,520
Speaker 1: wish we were together by it. I wish we were

3141
02:45:35,520 --> 02:45:36,560
Speaker 1: there the same time.

3142
02:45:37,120 --> 02:45:40,120
Speaker 2: I was the guy that like me and Ernie became

3143
02:45:40,240 --> 02:45:44,240
Speaker 2: close because I would see Ernie every day by himself

3144
02:45:44,240 --> 02:45:48,240
Speaker 2: eating a goddamn tomato, and I was just curious and

3145
02:45:48,280 --> 02:45:50,040
Speaker 2: I went up to him like, Hey, that was that tobato.

3146
02:45:50,920 --> 02:45:53,000
Speaker 2: And then it just became a thing where I would

3147
02:45:53,040 --> 02:45:55,840
Speaker 2: just joke with him and then he he give me nuggets.

3148
02:45:56,000 --> 02:45:58,160
Speaker 2: He'd be like, you know, look this punter, you gotta

3149
02:45:58,160 --> 02:46:01,680
Speaker 2: want to he give me some nuggets. Information is always good.

3150
02:46:01,720 --> 02:46:03,520
Speaker 6: Would he bring you a tomato on your birthday?

3151
02:46:03,840 --> 02:46:07,680
Speaker 1: No, he never brought me tomato. We weren't there, not yet.

3152
02:46:07,879 --> 02:46:09,360
Speaker 1: You may get something to mail this year.

3153
02:46:10,879 --> 02:46:11,040
Speaker 6: You know.

3154
02:46:11,480 --> 02:46:13,240
Speaker 1: He is a sweet human being.

3155
02:46:13,720 --> 02:46:16,400
Speaker 2: Ernie brought me a beautiful when he came and did

3156
02:46:16,480 --> 02:46:20,600
Speaker 2: our show. He brought me unbelievable book bag full of

3157
02:46:20,640 --> 02:46:22,439
Speaker 2: three books for my daughter Matilda.

3158
02:46:23,200 --> 02:46:24,039
Speaker 1: What was the other one?

3159
02:46:24,320 --> 02:46:27,520
Speaker 2: Rights Secret Garden, like these beautiful books from the Cambridge

3160
02:46:27,520 --> 02:46:30,680
Speaker 2: bookstore Brookline Brookline?

3161
02:46:30,720 --> 02:46:35,000
Speaker 1: Was it Brookline Brookline Bookstore? Yeah? It was. It was spectacular.

3162
02:46:35,480 --> 02:46:38,279
Speaker 1: That's Ernie and that's the stuff. See those of us.

3163
02:46:38,480 --> 02:46:41,440
Speaker 2: We that know, No, Ernie's definitely, I mean, you know,

3164
02:46:41,480 --> 02:46:43,240
Speaker 2: he's a sweet guy. He out kicked his coverage with

3165
02:46:43,280 --> 02:46:48,680
Speaker 2: his wife. Oh Christine, absolutely, I mean I love Ernie,

3166
02:46:48,720 --> 02:46:49,959
Speaker 2: but Ernie, you don't deserve that.

3167
02:46:50,080 --> 02:46:54,520
Speaker 6: Christine is the name of this game. Also is the

3168
02:46:54,560 --> 02:46:57,160
Speaker 6: cultural impact of this So we're talking about it, you know,

3169
02:46:57,280 --> 02:46:58,760
Speaker 6: twenty four to three years long.

3170
02:46:58,760 --> 02:47:01,080
Speaker 1: I'm going ten I don't even have but as long

3171
02:47:01,120 --> 02:47:05,840
Speaker 1: as the right name the snow Snowball. I'm going with

3172
02:47:05,959 --> 02:47:09,240
Speaker 1: a eight point nine. I knew you would. He's a

3173
02:47:09,400 --> 02:47:12,199
Speaker 1: D nine eight point nine, eight point nine, nine point five.

3174
02:47:13,600 --> 02:47:15,160
Speaker 1: You got to think about it though, man Like, it's

3175
02:47:15,240 --> 02:47:16,680
Speaker 1: kind of like when you go get a burger.

3176
02:47:17,879 --> 02:47:21,440
Speaker 2: Getting burgers, you know, when you create a burger. There's

3177
02:47:21,440 --> 02:47:25,200
Speaker 2: no such thing as a perfect burger. There's no such thing.

3178
02:47:25,520 --> 02:47:27,360
Speaker 2: There's never been a ten burger. There could be a

3179
02:47:27,440 --> 02:47:29,600
Speaker 2: nine point eight, there could be a nine, but there's

3180
02:47:29,920 --> 02:47:32,120
Speaker 2: It's kind of like surfing a wave. You may have

3181
02:47:32,160 --> 02:47:35,039
Speaker 2: got the biggest wave of all time, but it's not

3182
02:47:35,160 --> 02:47:35,880
Speaker 2: the next wave.

3183
02:47:36,480 --> 02:47:39,600
Speaker 1: It's kind of like Tommy says, which, Hey Tommy, what's

3184
02:47:39,640 --> 02:47:42,440
Speaker 1: your favorite ring? The next, the next one? What's your

3185
02:47:42,440 --> 02:47:44,640
Speaker 1: favorite burger? The next? Exactly?

3186
02:47:45,800 --> 02:47:46,720
Speaker 3: God, I could go for those.

3187
02:47:48,040 --> 02:47:50,760
Speaker 6: The final score is nine point three.

3188
02:47:51,040 --> 02:47:55,280
Speaker 1: Oh boy, number four. I feel like I number four

3189
02:47:55,400 --> 02:47:57,320
Speaker 1: all time all game.

3190
02:47:57,760 --> 02:48:01,039
Speaker 6: So it's right ahead of the two thousand for ALCS

3191
02:48:01,040 --> 02:48:03,160
Speaker 6: Game four Yankees Red Sox and the nineteen ninety nine

3192
02:48:03,200 --> 02:48:05,879
Speaker 6: Women's World Cup China versus the United States, and just

3193
02:48:05,959 --> 02:48:09,760
Speaker 6: below the Malcolm Butler game the Dynasty two. I call

3194
02:48:09,800 --> 02:48:10,520
Speaker 6: it the super Bowl.

3195
02:48:10,680 --> 02:48:11,039
Speaker 1: What is that?

3196
02:48:11,120 --> 02:48:13,760
Speaker 6: Forty nine Seattle versus Patriots.

3197
02:48:13,879 --> 02:48:16,000
Speaker 1: I right in love that the nineteen ninety nine Women's

3198
02:48:16,000 --> 02:48:20,280
Speaker 1: World Cup Finals. There, I remember watch that game. Did yeah,

3199
02:48:20,640 --> 02:48:24,199
Speaker 1: oh if I was grading with my See here here's

3200
02:48:24,200 --> 02:48:26,160
Speaker 1: the part of the problem, and this is this is

3201
02:48:26,200 --> 02:48:30,360
Speaker 1: why working with good people sometimes I over graded thing.

3202
02:48:30,480 --> 02:48:32,120
Speaker 1: That's why we did the average of all of our

3203
02:48:32,600 --> 02:48:34,360
Speaker 1: which is which is good. You guys kind of bring

3204
02:48:34,600 --> 02:48:36,360
Speaker 1: forty time. When you go to the combine, you know

3205
02:48:36,400 --> 02:48:39,039
Speaker 1: you got five scouts on it. The electronics we used

3206
02:48:39,080 --> 02:48:40,080
Speaker 1: to be really bad.

3207
02:48:40,160 --> 02:48:42,160
Speaker 6: We used to be real bad. Everything had tens, like

3208
02:48:42,400 --> 02:48:45,320
Speaker 6: wrestling matches for first overall we read changed the scoring

3209
02:48:45,520 --> 02:48:46,920
Speaker 6: so we add so we can help.

3210
02:48:46,959 --> 02:48:48,400
Speaker 1: But you guys talk wrestling on the show.

3211
02:48:48,560 --> 02:48:52,199
Speaker 6: Yeah, We've had Becky Lynch on for Michael Sean Michael.

3212
02:48:52,280 --> 02:48:55,480
Speaker 1: Yeah see I'm a different I'm rowdy roddy pipe. Yeah,

3213
02:48:56,800 --> 02:49:00,880
Speaker 1: love hole, but a rowdy roddy Pipe had one of

3214
02:49:00,959 --> 02:49:03,360
Speaker 1: the greatest lines Piper's Pit. You guys ever watched the

3215
02:49:03,360 --> 02:49:06,720
Speaker 1: old versions of Piper's Pit. There's one he has one

3216
02:49:06,720 --> 02:49:08,560
Speaker 1: of the greatest lines of all time that I still

3217
02:49:08,600 --> 02:49:11,440
Speaker 1: you say, just when you think you know the answer,

3218
02:49:12,400 --> 02:49:19,720
Speaker 1: I changed the question. That's that's how my dad used

3219
02:49:19,760 --> 02:49:20,279
Speaker 1: to do that.

3220
02:49:20,360 --> 02:49:23,200
Speaker 6: Why he was always right top five games, top five,

3221
02:49:24,240 --> 02:49:26,840
Speaker 6: so much heat that top four games are all Patriots games.

3222
02:49:27,800 --> 02:49:29,040
Speaker 1: Well, here's the thing is I was going to say

3223
02:49:29,080 --> 02:49:32,440
Speaker 1: about this. One of my concerns is this recency bias. Yes,

3224
02:49:33,000 --> 02:49:37,840
Speaker 1: there's and and there's bias. But that's why I wanted

3225
02:49:37,840 --> 02:49:41,040
Speaker 1: to bring some of that other stuff in there, Like

3226
02:49:41,080 --> 02:49:43,200
Speaker 1: you know this game that that that like the beginning

3227
02:49:43,200 --> 02:49:45,240
Speaker 1: of the Patriots and what the truth of the beginning

3228
02:49:45,680 --> 02:49:46,840
Speaker 1: of the Patriots thing was.

3229
02:49:47,160 --> 02:49:49,080
Speaker 2: But the first game is kind of the end of

3230
02:49:49,120 --> 02:49:52,039
Speaker 2: the Patriots, so it was kind of like the bow

3231
02:49:52,120 --> 02:49:55,480
Speaker 2: on the end of the get through. So we got

3232
02:49:55,760 --> 02:49:58,560
Speaker 2: they're both top five. We just need we need to

3233
02:49:58,600 --> 02:50:00,200
Speaker 2: have someone come in and try to change. Is that

3234
02:50:01,320 --> 02:50:03,480
Speaker 2: so so all you guessed out there that you know

3235
02:50:03,560 --> 02:50:07,040
Speaker 2: are anti Pats, you know, have someone else from another

3236
02:50:07,080 --> 02:50:11,160
Speaker 2: team that has some importance that have getting gotten in

3237
02:50:11,240 --> 02:50:11,840
Speaker 2: the same.

3238
02:50:11,720 --> 02:50:14,640
Speaker 1: Level of of what this is. Essentially, we could.

3239
02:50:14,440 --> 02:50:16,280
Speaker 5: See that here with the Chiefs get some good games.

3240
02:50:16,959 --> 02:50:19,199
Speaker 6: We could see that fishing for Travis Kelcey.

3241
02:50:19,440 --> 02:50:22,000
Speaker 1: I want Travis Kelcey. He'd be a great guests. I

3242
02:50:22,000 --> 02:50:23,039
Speaker 1: mean he's got I've gone on.

3243
02:50:24,800 --> 02:50:25,800
Speaker 6: Day on our channel.

3244
02:50:26,000 --> 02:50:28,520
Speaker 1: Huh was dming with him when our I know he's

3245
02:50:28,600 --> 02:50:32,600
Speaker 1: always played He's cool, cool, he smooth, smooth. What celebrities

3246
02:50:32,600 --> 02:50:34,400
Speaker 1: have you guys had on go back?

3247
02:50:34,600 --> 02:50:39,600
Speaker 6: Let's see like we had O'Neill, which was heard a

3248
02:50:39,600 --> 02:50:40,039
Speaker 6: couple off.

3249
02:50:40,879 --> 02:50:47,760
Speaker 1: Eric Stones outstanding, Mark Gardner. That's another show, by the

3250
02:50:47,800 --> 02:50:52,440
Speaker 1: way that I've seen now since I retired the Simpsons.

3251
02:50:52,480 --> 02:50:53,400
Speaker 6: The Simpsons is great too.

3252
02:50:53,440 --> 02:50:55,560
Speaker 1: You might have made he was a huge Simpsons guy.

3253
02:50:55,920 --> 02:50:57,960
Speaker 1: He was a huge are allowed to use his name?

3254
02:50:58,959 --> 02:51:02,600
Speaker 6: We even talk about there all human, you're gonna do

3255
02:51:02,640 --> 02:51:03,480
Speaker 6: another episode?

3256
02:51:04,080 --> 02:51:06,960
Speaker 1: I mean, you're Italian, though I thought we would know

3257
02:51:07,080 --> 02:51:09,520
Speaker 1: something you would is a family business. It stays in

3258
02:51:09,560 --> 02:51:14,320
Speaker 1: the family business. I'm very and I'm very Italian. And anyway,

3259
02:51:14,400 --> 02:51:17,480
Speaker 1: when you hear your family, you know.

3260
02:51:19,000 --> 02:51:21,720
Speaker 5: Casey Casey restaurant.

3261
02:51:23,560 --> 02:51:28,359
Speaker 6: He was sorry, used to sell sausages outside of Fenway

3262
02:51:28,760 --> 02:51:29,280
Speaker 6: as a kid.

3263
02:51:29,360 --> 02:51:33,240
Speaker 1: You know who made those sausages Beyonco and sons from Revere.

3264
02:51:33,400 --> 02:51:36,400
Speaker 1: Let's go Joey Bianco. We have sausage pests at our

3265
02:51:36,400 --> 02:51:40,800
Speaker 1: house every summer on Nantucky. Sounds like Jake's, sounds like

3266
02:51:40,879 --> 02:51:46,560
Speaker 1: Jackson on a Friday night and the boys a sausage

3267
02:51:46,600 --> 02:51:49,240
Speaker 1: Beest t shirt. But Beyonco and sons so Joey Bianco

3268
02:51:49,879 --> 02:51:52,600
Speaker 1: is cousins of my college teammate roommate Ralphie marsha On

3269
02:51:52,640 --> 02:51:56,240
Speaker 1: from Everett the Everett Boys, and uh, we should ask

3270
02:51:56,320 --> 02:52:00,440
Speaker 1: Casey if if he sold Bionco sausages some Let's hope

3271
02:52:00,480 --> 02:52:05,480
Speaker 1: he did. N we gotta hit him back. Can do

3272
02:52:05,600 --> 02:52:15,480
Speaker 1: the case? That dunkin Donuts commercial from the best outside

3273
02:52:14,280 --> 02:52:17,560
Speaker 1: the Do you think You're better than me?

3274
02:52:21,440 --> 02:52:22,359
Speaker 3: Se Instigators?

3275
02:52:22,560 --> 02:52:27,160
Speaker 1: Case is very incredible, fun movie fun. Yeah.

3276
02:52:27,959 --> 02:52:29,680
Speaker 3: I mean he's a cool dude too.

3277
02:52:29,800 --> 02:52:33,320
Speaker 1: You know, he's when you when you mess with these actors,

3278
02:52:33,360 --> 02:52:36,000
Speaker 1: they're all you know, actors are different, they.

3279
02:52:35,920 --> 02:52:38,800
Speaker 2: Got to play other people. But he's like a regular dude,

3280
02:52:38,800 --> 02:52:42,039
Speaker 2: that's an actor. How about Matt Damon you Yeah, we

3281
02:52:42,080 --> 02:52:44,119
Speaker 2: haven't had him on yet. I wish we're gonna get

3282
02:52:44,160 --> 02:52:49,039
Speaker 2: him here soon. That's Martian. Have you seen the great movie?

3283
02:52:49,600 --> 02:52:51,080
Speaker 2: Great movie? Underrated?

3284
02:52:51,120 --> 02:52:54,920
Speaker 1: But to me, Martian and that last part that he

3285
02:52:55,040 --> 02:52:59,440
Speaker 1: talks about is the Patriots just do the math, you

3286
02:52:59,520 --> 02:53:01,240
Speaker 1: figure it out, and you just try to get to

3287
02:53:01,280 --> 02:53:03,560
Speaker 1: the next play the next day. He doesn't say that,

3288
02:53:03,760 --> 02:53:05,840
Speaker 1: but that's what the whole marsh thing is you're just

3289
02:53:05,879 --> 02:53:09,320
Speaker 1: trying to get do enough to get to the next I.

3290
02:53:09,280 --> 02:53:11,400
Speaker 6: Could watch a whole movie, just the whole movie of

3291
02:53:11,480 --> 02:53:15,400
Speaker 6: him growing potatoes. It's I call it the type of

3292
02:53:15,400 --> 02:53:16,119
Speaker 6: movies I love.

3293
02:53:18,200 --> 02:53:18,640
Speaker 1: Watching this.

3294
02:53:19,600 --> 02:53:21,520
Speaker 2: You're pretty much the root of the Patriots, So why

3295
02:53:21,520 --> 02:53:27,760
Speaker 2: don't you come on and discuss the Martian? Basically, Running

3296
02:53:27,840 --> 02:53:30,000
Speaker 2: is still probably my all time.

3297
02:53:30,000 --> 02:53:31,680
Speaker 1: Love, all timer.

3298
02:53:32,120 --> 02:53:35,920
Speaker 6: It's Casey affleck Scott.

3299
02:53:36,000 --> 02:53:38,560
Speaker 2: We miss anything. We gotta have you come on because

3300
02:53:38,600 --> 02:53:40,879
Speaker 2: this is this was so fun. You got to come

3301
02:53:40,920 --> 02:53:42,920
Speaker 2: on and do another game. And Browns, I feel I

3302
02:53:42,920 --> 02:53:46,080
Speaker 2: feel like we've missed so much. This is going to

3303
02:53:46,120 --> 02:53:48,720
Speaker 2: turn out to be an unbelievable episode. People are gonna

3304
02:53:49,640 --> 02:53:51,200
Speaker 2: love this episode.

3305
02:53:51,400 --> 02:53:54,160
Speaker 1: Instant instant Brown's game.

3306
02:53:54,200 --> 02:53:56,439
Speaker 6: We need it so bad, the Browns.

3307
02:53:56,080 --> 02:54:02,480
Speaker 1: Game once again. Everyone. Get ready the nws L Boston team. Yeah.

3308
02:54:02,680 --> 02:54:05,040
Speaker 1: NWSL bors got a name coming soon. We got a

3309
02:54:05,120 --> 02:54:09,520
Speaker 1: name coming soon, and and and truly thank you to

3310
02:54:09,520 --> 02:54:10,280
Speaker 1: get out of here. Man.

3311
02:54:10,560 --> 02:54:13,879
Speaker 3: It's crazy that, like you know, we'll finish it with this.

3312
02:54:14,120 --> 02:54:15,920
Speaker 1: You're coming to a game. We're going to a game.

3313
02:54:15,959 --> 02:54:17,320
Speaker 1: I'm there. I'll bring my dog. I'll give you a

3314
02:54:17,360 --> 02:54:19,600
Speaker 1: shirt that has the team name on it too. With

3315
02:54:19,640 --> 02:54:20,320
Speaker 1: once we get that.

3316
02:54:20,360 --> 02:54:23,600
Speaker 2: Perfect perfect but you know this this goes to the

3317
02:54:23,640 --> 02:54:26,520
Speaker 2: point and to toot your horn one more time before

3318
02:54:26,560 --> 02:54:29,960
Speaker 2: you leave. You know, I never got to play with you,

3319
02:54:30,840 --> 02:54:35,120
Speaker 2: but your work that you did through your career in

3320
02:54:35,160 --> 02:54:38,520
Speaker 2: New England, Like I knew about it, and I felt

3321
02:54:38,520 --> 02:54:43,080
Speaker 2: that even ten years whatever how many years passed, I was,

3322
02:54:43,280 --> 02:54:45,760
Speaker 2: I was in it. So the impact that you had

3323
02:54:45,800 --> 02:54:49,959
Speaker 2: on the organization and to the pivotal game that we

3324
02:54:50,000 --> 02:54:53,039
Speaker 2: went over over in this divisional round against the Raiders,

3325
02:54:53,040 --> 02:54:56,440
Speaker 2: the snowball game, you know, it's been felt throughout the

3326
02:54:56,520 --> 02:54:59,920
Speaker 2: whole organization, through that whole twenty two years that we were,

3327
02:55:00,360 --> 02:55:01,360
Speaker 2: you know, at the top.

3328
02:55:01,520 --> 02:55:04,840
Speaker 1: So I appreciate it. I mean, we really you know

3329
02:55:05,360 --> 02:55:06,160
Speaker 1: I mean that too.

3330
02:55:06,240 --> 02:55:09,040
Speaker 2: And and you know, it was so awesome to have

3331
02:55:09,080 --> 02:55:13,320
Speaker 2: you come on here and explain the stories and give

3332
02:55:13,400 --> 02:55:16,800
Speaker 2: us the nitty gritty insides and outs of what the

3333
02:55:16,840 --> 02:55:18,560
Speaker 2: Patriots think about.

3334
02:55:19,000 --> 02:55:21,400
Speaker 3: You know, when it goes into drafting, when it goes into.

3335
02:55:21,240 --> 02:55:24,680
Speaker 2: The scenes, behind the scenes, you know that that's something

3336
02:55:24,720 --> 02:55:27,760
Speaker 2: that our listeners they really enjoy And this is going

3337
02:55:27,840 --> 02:55:28,959
Speaker 2: to be a very fun episode.

3338
02:55:29,000 --> 02:55:31,120
Speaker 1: Thanks for coming, Thanks for having me appreciate it. I

3339
02:55:31,120 --> 02:55:34,480
Speaker 1: appreciate the words that it means a lot here with

3340
02:55:35,000 --> 02:55:37,920
Speaker 1: me too, man awesome. No, I'm serious because one of

3341
02:55:37,920 --> 02:55:40,080
Speaker 1: the things I used to tell tell my wife was

3342
02:55:40,680 --> 02:55:43,039
Speaker 1: and again I'm not trying to be corny here is

3343
02:55:43,520 --> 02:55:47,120
Speaker 1: there was players after I left. I would say he

3344
02:55:47,200 --> 02:55:49,680
Speaker 1: could have been one of us. How you say about

3345
02:55:49,720 --> 02:55:53,720
Speaker 1: that you were, but you were that next that second half.

3346
02:55:53,800 --> 02:55:55,600
Speaker 1: I was like, you could have been a part of

3347
02:55:55,640 --> 02:55:58,560
Speaker 1: that first decade without a doubt. I appreciate that. I mean,

3348
02:55:58,720 --> 02:56:00,840
Speaker 1: for sure, that means a lot because I remember being

3349
02:56:00,840 --> 02:56:02,560
Speaker 1: the kid wanted to be that guy when I first

3350
02:56:02,640 --> 02:56:05,640
Speaker 1: got in there. And you're seeing Teddy Bruski, Kevin Fogg,

3351
02:56:06,200 --> 02:56:11,600
Speaker 1: Troy Brown, Tom Brady Rabel. Next time we come, Willie Mack,

3352
02:56:11,879 --> 02:56:14,400
Speaker 1: we'll talk about because this is part see and you

3353
02:56:14,480 --> 02:56:16,640
Speaker 1: mentioned that is and this is for the next show.

3354
02:56:16,640 --> 02:56:19,640
Speaker 1: But it's about that team. That locker room was built

3355
02:56:19,760 --> 02:56:25,800
Speaker 1: on having a larger number of selfless leaders than other teams.

3356
02:56:26,160 --> 02:56:29,120
Speaker 1: It was Anthony Pleasant who was in his twelfth, thirteen,

3357
02:56:29,200 --> 02:56:34,440
Speaker 1: fourteenth year when we drafted Jarvis Green, Richard Seymour, Armuth Green,

3358
02:56:35,080 --> 02:56:39,680
Speaker 1: hy Warren and him teaching those guys how to take

3359
02:56:39,720 --> 02:56:45,199
Speaker 1: his job. That crap's rare. Yeah right, it's Troy Brown

3360
02:56:45,280 --> 02:56:49,039
Speaker 1: sticking around for an extra year and teaching people how

3361
02:56:49,080 --> 02:56:52,920
Speaker 1: to take his job. No, but there were selfless leaders

3362
02:56:52,959 --> 02:56:56,680
Speaker 1: in there. It was Teddy Bruski teaching Gerrod Mao how

3363
02:56:56,680 --> 02:57:00,120
Speaker 1: to become the Mike linebacker. Yeah yeah, I mean, is

3364
02:57:00,160 --> 02:57:04,520
Speaker 1: you ultimately want to win and that's legacy stuff. Man,

3365
02:57:04,680 --> 02:57:07,959
Speaker 1: that's a legacy and that's real legacy stuff. I'm just

3366
02:57:07,959 --> 02:57:11,039
Speaker 1: glad you weren't around and to think because I you know,

3367
02:57:11,080 --> 02:57:15,040
Speaker 1: I was a crazy asshole in that building this. But

3368
02:57:15,080 --> 02:57:18,000
Speaker 1: there were different personalities. I mean, ty Law had a

3369
02:57:18,000 --> 02:57:22,520
Speaker 1: different personality, there were Rabel I mean, yeah what I

3370
02:57:22,600 --> 02:57:24,440
Speaker 1: what I understood. You were kind of like, this is

3371
02:57:24,760 --> 02:57:32,120
Speaker 1: dating me again. You're a little Eddie haskell Ish. But

3372
02:57:32,120 --> 02:57:40,720
Speaker 1: but again that's needed when you're building it. But you

3373
02:57:40,879 --> 02:57:43,080
Speaker 1: need different But here's the thing is that they want

3374
02:57:43,920 --> 02:57:47,560
Speaker 1: the successful teams weren't robots. Right. We talked about people

3375
02:57:47,680 --> 02:57:51,800
Speaker 1: being in but you can have different personalities. Look at

3376
02:57:51,800 --> 02:57:54,200
Speaker 1: how different Mind and Bill's personalities are, you know what

3377
02:57:54,200 --> 02:57:57,680
Speaker 1: I mean? And Ernie I mean, and Charlie Weiss and Romeo.

3378
02:57:58,000 --> 02:57:59,960
Speaker 1: There's a guy we didn't talk about enough. Romeo critics.

3379
02:58:00,280 --> 02:58:02,840
Speaker 6: My gosh, for the Browns episode.

3380
02:58:03,080 --> 02:58:09,200
Speaker 10: For the Browns episode, man, I feel like we we

3381
02:58:09,200 --> 02:58:11,760
Speaker 10: we talked about so much and we forgot so much,

3382
02:58:11,800 --> 02:58:16,680
Speaker 10: almost because he's a wealth of just stories, information and

3383
02:58:16,720 --> 02:58:18,080
Speaker 10: he could compute it to verbal.

3384
02:58:18,600 --> 02:58:21,400
Speaker 6: Incredible interview. He might be my new favorite person. We're

3385
02:58:21,400 --> 02:58:23,199
Speaker 6: already talking about doing another episode.

3386
02:58:23,280 --> 02:58:25,480
Speaker 5: Yeah you think you think I'm a glazer Bro, you

3387
02:58:25,480 --> 02:58:25,920
Speaker 5: were glazing?

3388
02:58:26,160 --> 02:58:26,200
Speaker 1: Was?

3389
02:58:26,440 --> 02:58:27,080
Speaker 6: I was full.

3390
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Speaker 3: Because it would also be really good.

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Speaker 2: I want to hit him when he was with the

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Speaker 2: Browns and then also the Chiefs, you know.

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02:58:37,400 --> 02:58:39,720
Speaker 6: Talk about the Chiefs at all at all? Yeah, and

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02:58:39,760 --> 02:58:41,240
Speaker 6: he was GM there for four years.

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02:58:41,440 --> 02:58:45,240
Speaker 1: Yeah, so we talked about the Falcons, talk about the Falcon.

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02:58:47,080 --> 02:58:48,520
Speaker 6: All right, let's keep this thing. This is such a

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02:58:48,560 --> 02:58:49,400
Speaker 6: long episode, about a.

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02:58:49,400 --> 02:58:50,920
Speaker 5: Thousand questions we got asked Hi when he comes on

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02:58:51,040 --> 02:58:51,360
Speaker 5: next time?

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Speaker 1: Was awesome?

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02:58:54,200 --> 02:58:56,119
Speaker 6: So fun, great episode.

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02:58:55,879 --> 02:59:02,320
Speaker 1: Great, great episode. Well what again, Aime? What a guest?

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02:59:02,440 --> 02:59:06,120
Speaker 1: Thanks again to Scott Poli and everyone. Go check out

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Speaker 1: the new Boston Professional soccer team n WS al Baby

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Speaker 1: n WS.

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Speaker 5: I wanted to ask him how hard is it to

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02:59:13,480 --> 02:59:16,160
Speaker 5: name Bro sports franchise?

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02:59:16,560 --> 02:59:17,080
Speaker 1: I mean, I bet you.

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02:59:17,200 --> 02:59:20,040
Speaker 2: Nowadays they do so many different like Uh, they probably

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02:59:20,080 --> 02:59:25,960
Speaker 2: do polls. Do they have like people that come in, yeah, agency.

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02:59:26,000 --> 02:59:29,520
Speaker 5: Specially Yeah, something that does Yeah, the metrics.

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02:59:29,560 --> 02:59:34,640
Speaker 2: What's a good name for a Boston girls soccer team,

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02:59:34,720 --> 02:59:35,879
Speaker 2: a women's soccer team?

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02:59:36,680 --> 02:59:37,040
Speaker 1: Something?

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02:59:38,480 --> 02:59:45,160
Speaker 2: Oh, the Boston tea parties they like No, maybe misogynistic.

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Speaker 2: I canceled obviously, like.

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Speaker 6: What the w n b A used to do where

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02:59:49,120 --> 02:59:52,879
Speaker 6: they're like women's teams were like similar to the men's teams.

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02:59:52,879 --> 02:59:55,480
Speaker 6: There are like a little like the revolution Commons.

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02:59:55,600 --> 02:59:56,760
Speaker 1: So the Lady.

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02:59:58,040 --> 02:59:59,360
Speaker 6: Nor Reesters would be a great name.

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02:59:59,400 --> 03:00:02,280
Speaker 1: The Nor'east Northeasters.

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Speaker 5: I want to I bet a storm, yeah, right, like

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Speaker 5: it could be a hurricane no easter.

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Speaker 1: No, it can't be a hurricane.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I might whet if they go the alliteration route

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Speaker 5: to I feel like a lot of you know what

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Speaker 5: I mean.

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Speaker 2: The New England perfect storm and just have like Wahlberg

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Speaker 2: and Clooney, it doesn't work.

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Speaker 5: I guess they are leaning into Boston instead of New England.

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Speaker 1: Will it be?

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03:00:23,320 --> 03:00:24,360
Speaker 5: I guess it will be Boston.

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03:00:24,480 --> 03:00:27,720
Speaker 6: So we're gonna find out just part of this episode.

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Speaker 1: Just don't go don't go.

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Speaker 5: Full we want to be English and try to.

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Speaker 6: Revolutionary or.

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Speaker 1: I like the FC stuff.

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Speaker 6: Now it's novelty in America, but we don't even say

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Speaker 6: football the Washington area.

3441
03:00:41,800 --> 03:00:42,119
Speaker 1: Stupid.

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03:00:42,320 --> 03:00:43,800
Speaker 5: Yeah, classic naming convention.

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03:00:43,920 --> 03:00:46,520
Speaker 2: The Washington football team was the best name, the nickname

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03:00:46,800 --> 03:00:50,480
Speaker 2: or the best team the name they had since our words.

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03:00:51,160 --> 03:00:52,800
Speaker 3: Washington Football Team was pretty cool.

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Speaker 1: I still like it, all right?

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Speaker 6: What an episode? What an episode?

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