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Speaker 1: The San Antonio District judge resigns after a federal corruption probe.

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Speaker 2: A former San Antonio, Texas judge goes to federal prison

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Speaker 2: after pleading guilty to accepting bribes in exchange for rigging

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Speaker 2: cases in his court. Angus McGuinty committed the ultimate judicial sin.

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Speaker 3: Why did you do it?

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Speaker 1: I did it because I was foolish.

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Speaker 2: Listen to how to Bribe a Judge on Revolver podcast

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Speaker 1: The John Annick and Kenny Florian Podcast John Annick and

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Speaker 1: Kenny Florian.

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Speaker 3: I fucking love him.

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Speaker 4: I can't get enough of him.

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Speaker 5: Big job there could copy PreK beers fund out.

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Speaker 6: I believe there are a couple of absolutely self involved

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Speaker 6: bullshit artists.

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Speaker 2: Here are your hosts, John Annick and Kenny Florian.

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Speaker 7: Hey, thanks your patients. Five oh five pm Eastern. It's Monday,

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Speaker 7: June thirteenth. The year is twenty twenty two. It's episode

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Speaker 7: three point fifty two of the Anaconplorium podcast. Good to

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Speaker 7: be back State Side Kid. I mean, I feel pretty

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Speaker 7: blown right now. Let's be honest, But we got a

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Speaker 7: little say coffee in the system and we're rallying. Just

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Speaker 7: got back from Singapore, had four hours at lax I.

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Speaker 7: Actually was able to take a shower at the airport

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Speaker 7: and bang the red eye to Miami. Kiss the children,

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Speaker 7: kiss the fucking babies. And here we are putting our

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Speaker 7: priorities in order. Good to see your face, kid, how

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Speaker 7: you doing.

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Speaker 5: Good to see you as well.

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Speaker 3: Man.

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Speaker 5: It's amazing what a shower will do. Right, You kind

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Speaker 5: of feel human again. You're like, ah, that's exactly what

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Speaker 5: I needed.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, Like shower that guy off, that guy from Singapore.

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Speaker 5: People have no idea, you know, for when you're doing

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Speaker 5: something like broadcasting as a job and you're dealing with

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Speaker 5: a long ass flight, you're dealing with little to no sleep,

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Speaker 5: you're dealing with the time change on top of it.

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Speaker 5: You don't just show up to your job and just

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Speaker 5: kind of go about things right. You have to be

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Speaker 5: like yea, yeah, yah, but just guy for hours and

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Speaker 5: hours and hours. You can't just fall asleep on the job,

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Speaker 5: or you can't right now, I'm just gonna chill. You

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Speaker 5: cannot chill because you're on television.

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Speaker 7: And sometimes when we talk this way about our broadcasting

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Speaker 7: careers and registers as complaints to some people, you know,

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Speaker 7: but even like right now, whether I like it or not,

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Speaker 7: right I got to put on a shiny, happy, fat

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Speaker 7: face and pretend that this is where I want to be,

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Speaker 7: as opposed to with my children now. I just got

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Speaker 7: to hang out with them and babysit for a little bit.

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Speaker 7: So I can tell you with complete veracity, like there's

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Speaker 7: nowhere I'd rather be right now than recapping you have

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Speaker 7: to two seventy five just giving the magnitude up the card.

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Speaker 7: So I really do want to be here right now,

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Speaker 7: and we do have a lot to get to today.

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Speaker 7: MMA Reporter and content editor for TSN Sports Aaron Bronstetter

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Speaker 7: will be with us of course, Big Gun Brian Petree

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Speaker 7: for the main event challenge when we spin it forward

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Speaker 7: later in the show, and then Ray Long go schedule

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Speaker 7: to join us here at the bottom of the hour

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Speaker 7: and if if he is so inclined, so and one

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Speaker 7: thing too. We were flying back Singapore Airlines and you know,

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Speaker 7: the flight attendant I don't know if you can call

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Speaker 7: them stewardesses anymore, but you know she said to me

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Speaker 7: and Bruce like, oh you guys, you know you didn't

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Speaker 7: eat dinner, you slept the whole time, and you know,

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Speaker 7: it was weird sort of waking up at three am.

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Speaker 7: I do like that seven am first fight though, But

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Speaker 7: people got to understand this, right. UFC two seventy four

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Speaker 7: was fifteen fights, right, UFC two seventy five was eleven fights?

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Speaker 7: Right Now, we lost a couple, but had UFC two

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Speaker 7: seventy five held together or been scheduled for fifteen fights?

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Speaker 3: Right?

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Speaker 7: We start five am in Singapore instead of seven am,

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Speaker 7: which means I'm running through the streets at maybe one

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Speaker 7: thirty am, right, So the magnitude of that is huge.

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Speaker 5: Right.

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Speaker 7: We lost two hours of broadcast time going eleven fights

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Speaker 7: versus fifteen. So I think some of our listenership would

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Speaker 7: I mean, it's the front runner for Card of the Year.

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Speaker 7: I'm not the memory guy can flow when it comes

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Speaker 7: more compelling championship fight in my eleven years on a

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Speaker 7: So let us start there. We have a new undisputed

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Speaker 7: round five. It is pro Hoska by submission, as everybody expected. Yeah,

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Speaker 7: that's exactly right, dude, what what a fight?

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Speaker 5: Listen. I'll be the first one to say I've been

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Speaker 5: When it comes to the heavier weight classes. He gets

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Speaker 7: has long been the glamor division. You know, he's not

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Speaker 5: I had hoped that was the case. I had seen

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Speaker 5: And once again, he just put the stamp on it, right.

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Speaker 5: I mean, that's the cherry on top of the frosting

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Speaker 5: And I thought he showed a lot of intelligence and

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Speaker 5: sarcastically said, you know about the submissionhim winning by submission.

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Speaker 5: I mean, I don't think anybody right thought that was

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Speaker 5: be the Brazilian Jitsu black belt Clobe Sarah. And it

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Speaker 7: But in talking to John Hackelman after the fight, Glover

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Speaker 7: tweak a lot of fucking things in a fight like that, right,

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Speaker 7: old Yeah, But I think it was sort of more

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Speaker 7: Yeah, So Prohaska's defensive grappling, so obviously in our fighter

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Speaker 7: Back with your body locked down, compromising your breathing, or

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Speaker 5: I mean again, to take those kind of blows, a

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Speaker 7: So Glover to share a's six fight winning streak comes

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Speaker 7: I did spend some time with John Hackeman briefly after

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Speaker 7: Yes, many close up camera something today. Cody should have

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Speaker 5: didn't say Santos there, I think was telling because I

434
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Speaker 5: think she knew that was a really tough fight. Yeah,

435
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Speaker 5: and I don't know. I think Tyler has some adjustments

436
00:21:20,240 --> 00:21:22,520
Speaker 5: that she can make really in that fight to make

437
00:21:22,560 --> 00:21:24,400
Speaker 5: it a little bit easier for it, and then she's gonna

438
00:21:24,400 --> 00:21:26,080
Speaker 5: get that much more confidence to try to take that

439
00:21:26,119 --> 00:21:29,960
Speaker 5: fight to the ground. But anyways, and it said she

440
00:21:29,960 --> 00:21:32,199
Speaker 5: she mentioned mister Tate, who I love as well, and

441
00:21:32,240 --> 00:21:35,679
Speaker 5: I love what she has done. But I thought that

442
00:21:35,760 --> 00:21:38,800
Speaker 5: was interesting that she mentioned Misha when in reality, I

443
00:21:38,800 --> 00:21:40,680
Speaker 5: think the fight that you have to make at this point,

444
00:21:40,760 --> 00:21:44,120
Speaker 5: assuming Tyler is good to go and again with broken orbitals,

445
00:21:44,119 --> 00:21:47,280
Speaker 5: you never know. If you don't know, it can be

446
00:21:47,600 --> 00:21:49,800
Speaker 5: five months, it can be a long time. But to

447
00:21:49,960 --> 00:21:53,680
Speaker 5: Tyler Santos and Marcio Malco and that team, like great

448
00:21:53,720 --> 00:21:58,560
Speaker 5: fucking job, you know, and just totally unfazed and undeterred.

449
00:21:58,640 --> 00:22:01,440
Speaker 5: I mean, fight week is a indicate her fighter immediately,

450
00:22:01,440 --> 00:22:03,640
Speaker 5: like Tyler Santos. You know, it's like she ain't star

451
00:22:03,680 --> 00:22:06,040
Speaker 5: struck by Daniel Cormier, you know how, don't even think

452
00:22:06,040 --> 00:22:08,720
Speaker 5: she got a picture, you know, like she was just

453
00:22:08,760 --> 00:22:11,679
Speaker 5: totally locked in and uh and I love that on Tina.

454
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Speaker 5: And you know, I will say too as far as

455
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Speaker 5: the damages is concerned, because there were some maybe striking

456
00:22:17,200 --> 00:22:20,800
Speaker 5: situations early on in this fight upon which maybe this

457
00:22:20,920 --> 00:22:23,240
Speaker 5: fight swung because it looks like rounds one and two

458
00:22:23,560 --> 00:22:26,600
Speaker 5: there was some dissension, you know, but Valentina did not

459
00:22:26,680 --> 00:22:28,200
Speaker 5: have a scratch on her and looked like she could

460
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Speaker 5: have gone ten rounds. She just needed that strategy pivot

461
00:22:30,680 --> 00:22:33,920
Speaker 5: midfight from Pavela Fedetov and maybe needed needed the clash

462
00:22:33,960 --> 00:22:35,920
Speaker 5: of heads to give her a little little burst too.

463
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Speaker 5: Thank you for mentioning that. I think That was indicative

464
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Speaker 5: too of maybe why the decision went the way it

465
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Speaker 5: did too, because again, how many of those judges one

466
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Speaker 5: hundred percent knew that that was a clash of heads

467
00:22:48,280 --> 00:22:51,080
Speaker 5: that happened. That's swelling. Yeah, we don't know that. Maybe

468
00:22:51,080 --> 00:22:53,879
Speaker 5: maybe they did, maybe they didn't. But again, just perception wise,

469
00:22:53,960 --> 00:22:56,320
Speaker 5: as that fight goes on, you see her eyes start

470
00:22:56,359 --> 00:22:58,760
Speaker 5: to swell up, you see it start to close, and

471
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Speaker 5: the narrative changes in your mind, especially with chef Chenko's

472
00:23:02,440 --> 00:23:04,960
Speaker 5: pounding away at that left side or that right side

473
00:23:04,960 --> 00:23:08,080
Speaker 5: of sorry of Santos with that kick, and you're thinking, oh, well,

474
00:23:08,080 --> 00:23:10,640
Speaker 5: well this is Chepchenko's fight. She did that damage when

475
00:23:10,680 --> 00:23:14,520
Speaker 5: reality really started with that clash of heads. But anyways,

476
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Speaker 5: a fascinating fight. It was interesting to talk about, and

477
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Speaker 5: I hope we get a chance to see that that

478
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Speaker 5: fight again.

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Speaker 7: They did show the clash of heads in house. I

480
00:23:22,760 --> 00:23:25,199
Speaker 7: believe our guy Jason Herzog, who for my money is

481
00:23:25,240 --> 00:23:27,400
Speaker 7: as good as Mark Goddard and anybody else in the space.

482
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Speaker 7: I believe he was the referee in question. I'm not

483
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Speaker 7: sure he saw it lot. They did show a replay

484
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Speaker 7: in house, but you can't be sure that all three

485
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Speaker 7: judges picked up on that, But congratulations to Valentina Chevchenko.

486
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Speaker 7: Another Ruby on the belt. And at the very least,

487
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Speaker 7: you know, Tyler Santos is super relevant. People are going

488
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Speaker 7: to be very excited to see her future given that performance.

489
00:23:47,440 --> 00:23:52,880
Speaker 7: Man Chong Way Lee plus athlete, huh, she is unbelievable.

490
00:23:52,960 --> 00:23:54,800
Speaker 7: She's the best strawweight in the world right now with

491
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Speaker 7: respect to Carla Asparzos. She's gonna be a big favorite

492
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Speaker 7: in that championship fight after what she was able to

493
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Speaker 7: do here against j Wanta Mjcheck And obviously there's a

494
00:24:03,520 --> 00:24:05,560
Speaker 7: lot of time to be spent on this podcast on

495
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Speaker 7: Yoanna in retirement. But John Way Lee is a freak, man.

496
00:24:09,400 --> 00:24:11,960
Speaker 7: I mean she I you know, I don't know. I

497
00:24:12,000 --> 00:24:14,160
Speaker 7: sit here thinking in five years we're gonna be talking

498
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Speaker 7: about her as the greatest drawette of all time.

499
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Speaker 5: She's something else, man. You know, I remember people being

500
00:24:19,000 --> 00:24:22,439
Speaker 5: very excited about her, and while it was apparent that

501
00:24:22,480 --> 00:24:25,119
Speaker 5: she was a very good athlete, I don't think I

502
00:24:25,200 --> 00:24:28,399
Speaker 5: gave her enough credit of how damn good of an

503
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Speaker 5: athlete she really is. And it's becoming readily apparent, you know,

504
00:24:32,320 --> 00:24:34,359
Speaker 5: and a great student of the game. Every time we

505
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Speaker 5: see her John, I don't care if she loses, if

506
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Speaker 5: she wins, she's always better. She has some new wrinkle

507
00:24:40,160 --> 00:24:42,640
Speaker 5: to her game where I'm like, how about she looks

508
00:24:42,680 --> 00:24:44,719
Speaker 5: like she's been wrestling for a long time now. I mean,

509
00:24:44,760 --> 00:24:48,200
Speaker 5: it's unbelievable seeing you know, her adjustments, even her close

510
00:24:48,240 --> 00:24:52,240
Speaker 5: reigin boxing, her close range boxing, her kicking from the outside,

511
00:24:52,680 --> 00:24:56,000
Speaker 5: her her wrestling, her counters, her jiu jitsu, her positioning,

512
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Speaker 5: it's always getting better. And she just has the the

513
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Speaker 5: kind of movement in athleticism where I truly feel I mean,

514
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Speaker 5: she could be a professional soccer player, she could be

515
00:25:06,400 --> 00:25:09,280
Speaker 5: a gymnast. She probably dunk a basketball if you gave

516
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Speaker 5: her enough time. I mean, she's really impressive to watch, man,

517
00:25:13,200 --> 00:25:14,879
Speaker 5: and she did it against you on a young j

518
00:25:15,080 --> 00:25:17,919
Speaker 5: chech who I think I wasn't sure about how she

519
00:25:18,000 --> 00:25:19,920
Speaker 5: was going to come into this fight, but I thought

520
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Speaker 5: it was apparent that she was prepared for that fight,

521
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Speaker 5: that she did work hard, and that she truly wanted.

522
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Speaker 3: To be.

523
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Speaker 5: Ei there. And you know, sure she has some miles

524
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Speaker 5: on her, she's been fighting a long time, but the

525
00:25:32,720 --> 00:25:35,880
Speaker 5: fact that she beat that kind of Yuanna, I think

526
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Speaker 5: all the more telling I was really impressed with a

527
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Speaker 5: jeans Man, and watch out for anyone who has to

528
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Speaker 5: face her in the future. She's a damn problem.

529
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Speaker 7: And she's a solution for the promotion in so far

530
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Speaker 7: as she wants to compete. And I think this ain't

531
00:25:51,640 --> 00:25:53,359
Speaker 7: can be said for Carlos Bars. I don't know that

532
00:25:53,400 --> 00:25:56,399
Speaker 7: she's gonna milk this second championship reign per se. But

533
00:25:56,720 --> 00:25:59,040
Speaker 7: you know, Jean Wee Lee, obviously, in preparation for her

534
00:25:59,119 --> 00:26:01,959
Speaker 7: previous fight, the Ree match with Rose Nama Yunis trained

535
00:26:02,000 --> 00:26:05,520
Speaker 7: Fight Reddy in Arizona and extracted that, took that with her,

536
00:26:05,560 --> 00:26:08,000
Speaker 7: but whole training camp with her original coaches in Thailand

537
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Speaker 7: for this fight. And this was the best version of

538
00:26:10,640 --> 00:26:13,280
Speaker 7: Jeangwei Lee. And I'm not trying to get ahead of myself,

539
00:26:13,320 --> 00:26:15,280
Speaker 7: but our producer Cody Merrow just put in the chat

540
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Speaker 7: room Jeong versus shep Chenko in China next year is

541
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Speaker 7: the fight to make. And I don't need to go

542
00:26:20,200 --> 00:26:22,480
Speaker 7: to China necessarily, Cody, you know, I need to chill

543
00:26:22,520 --> 00:26:25,120
Speaker 7: out a little bit on the metal tubes. But that

544
00:26:25,320 --> 00:26:28,720
Speaker 7: just literally vaulted to the top of my wish list

545
00:26:28,840 --> 00:26:30,560
Speaker 7: for fights in mixed martial arts.

546
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Speaker 5: Men or women.

547
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Speaker 7: I need to see Shepchenko versus Jeanwei Lee and see

548
00:26:34,520 --> 00:26:38,119
Speaker 7: if Jong Wai Lee can become a two division champion.

549
00:26:38,160 --> 00:26:40,040
Speaker 7: She doesn't even have the strawweight belt right now, but

550
00:26:40,080 --> 00:26:44,280
Speaker 7: obviously she is a former strawweight champion. But she's incredible, man,

551
00:26:44,320 --> 00:26:47,000
Speaker 7: you know, doing just the no handed flip after the

552
00:26:47,000 --> 00:26:50,960
Speaker 7: fight and everything else, and the appetite for knowledge she's

553
00:26:51,119 --> 00:26:53,600
Speaker 7: just married to the game doesn't even begin to describe it.

554
00:26:54,720 --> 00:26:56,480
Speaker 7: As we wait for long ago, I guess let's get

555
00:26:56,480 --> 00:26:58,800
Speaker 7: to Yoanna, you and jcheck because Rose nama Unis and

556
00:26:58,800 --> 00:27:01,159
Speaker 7: Pat Barry are sitting somewhere or hopefully not listening to

557
00:27:01,200 --> 00:27:03,560
Speaker 7: this podcast and thinking what's Anik doing? San yoani I

558
00:27:03,640 --> 00:27:06,320
Speaker 7: and Jaichek retires as the greatest straweight of all time?

559
00:27:06,600 --> 00:27:09,080
Speaker 7: You know, rosdami Unis has two head to head wins

560
00:27:09,960 --> 00:27:12,920
Speaker 7: over Yoanna, She has two head to head wins over

561
00:27:13,000 --> 00:27:16,360
Speaker 7: Jean Way Lee, and has knocked both their heads off

562
00:27:16,440 --> 00:27:18,680
Speaker 7: once as well. And I'm gonna sit here and say

563
00:27:18,680 --> 00:27:21,359
Speaker 7: that rosnama Unis maybe isn't the greatest straweight of all time,

564
00:27:21,480 --> 00:27:24,480
Speaker 7: but I do have a historical framework for what Yoanna

565
00:27:24,520 --> 00:27:26,560
Speaker 7: has been able to accomplish. And the nature of her

566
00:27:26,600 --> 00:27:29,360
Speaker 7: five title defenses and the way she put this division

567
00:27:29,400 --> 00:27:31,760
Speaker 7: on her back, the way she won the belt against

568
00:27:31,760 --> 00:27:35,120
Speaker 7: Carlos Barza in twenty fifteen. You know, I do think

569
00:27:35,240 --> 00:27:39,560
Speaker 7: right now she's the greatest, She's the contentest, greatest UFC

570
00:27:39,720 --> 00:27:42,200
Speaker 7: strawweight champion as she retires. Now, if you want to

571
00:27:42,240 --> 00:27:44,200
Speaker 7: say pound for pound, maybe she's not the greatest straweight

572
00:27:44,200 --> 00:27:46,879
Speaker 7: of all time, but her title reign to me should

573
00:27:46,880 --> 00:27:49,400
Speaker 7: be put on a pedestal. And you know, we sort

574
00:27:49,400 --> 00:27:51,080
Speaker 7: of had an inkling in the fighter meeting that if

575
00:27:51,080 --> 00:27:52,800
Speaker 7: she didn't win this fight she was going to retire.

576
00:27:53,440 --> 00:27:55,200
Speaker 7: She said, if I win this fight, I'm the hottest

577
00:27:55,240 --> 00:27:57,800
Speaker 7: name in the sport. Right Like things can obviously turn

578
00:27:57,840 --> 00:27:59,360
Speaker 7: on a dime. I know I gave you a lot

579
00:27:59,400 --> 00:28:02,320
Speaker 7: to uh to sort of respond to there, but your

580
00:28:02,320 --> 00:28:04,200
Speaker 7: thoughts on you wanna hear in defeat.

581
00:28:05,440 --> 00:28:11,119
Speaker 5: I've always been really impressed with Yo wanna you know,

582
00:28:11,240 --> 00:28:14,879
Speaker 5: saw her fight and it was clear that she was

583
00:28:14,920 --> 00:28:17,400
Speaker 5: a very high level striker, but at the same time,

584
00:28:17,440 --> 00:28:19,600
Speaker 5: it wasn't sure how she was going to develop as

585
00:28:19,640 --> 00:28:22,520
Speaker 5: a grappler as a mixed martial artist. Uh and then

586
00:28:23,760 --> 00:28:26,920
Speaker 5: and did she turned one? She was another one who

587
00:28:27,240 --> 00:28:30,760
Speaker 5: always improved UH and then knew how to say the

588
00:28:30,800 --> 00:28:33,320
Speaker 5: right thing. She she really knew how to promote her fights,

589
00:28:33,359 --> 00:28:36,680
Speaker 5: and she truly took advantage of being on those fun

590
00:28:37,720 --> 00:28:40,320
Speaker 5: fight cards with some of the other big fights and

591
00:28:40,440 --> 00:28:42,880
Speaker 5: UH and just shined when she needed to at the

592
00:28:42,960 --> 00:28:45,200
Speaker 5: right time, which showed that she knew how to deal

593
00:28:45,240 --> 00:28:49,520
Speaker 5: with pressure and was always UH ready to to elevate

594
00:28:49,560 --> 00:28:53,920
Speaker 5: her game game. You know, she she brings an energy

595
00:28:53,960 --> 00:28:58,720
Speaker 5: into the octagon unlike many people. Again, there's a lot

596
00:28:58,720 --> 00:29:01,920
Speaker 5: of great fighters, but not everybody has that aura and

597
00:29:01,920 --> 00:29:05,960
Speaker 5: that energy about her that when she goes the carter,

598
00:29:06,120 --> 00:29:09,360
Speaker 5: when she walks into the octagon, things are different. You

599
00:29:09,440 --> 00:29:13,000
Speaker 5: feel it, you see it, and I think that that's

600
00:29:13,040 --> 00:29:15,560
Speaker 5: something that will always make her special and something I'll

601
00:29:15,560 --> 00:29:20,760
Speaker 5: always remember about her. It was sad to see her go, man,

602
00:29:20,840 --> 00:29:25,920
Speaker 5: because I really always enjoyed watching a She was a

603
00:29:25,960 --> 00:29:32,160
Speaker 5: phenomenal fighter, and I'm excited for her that she's going

604
00:29:32,240 --> 00:29:34,400
Speaker 5: into her touts. I want to be a mama now

605
00:29:35,440 --> 00:29:36,000
Speaker 5: was pretty good.

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Speaker 7: It's the end of an era, and even in our

607
00:29:37,720 --> 00:29:40,000
Speaker 7: fighter meeting, she said, you know, next year it'll be

608
00:29:40,040 --> 00:29:42,320
Speaker 7: twenty years of training. I'm thirty five years old, and

609
00:29:43,000 --> 00:29:45,720
Speaker 7: certainly she made a lot of money as champions. She

610
00:29:45,800 --> 00:29:47,400
Speaker 7: was on a lot of big pay per views, headlined

611
00:29:47,440 --> 00:29:49,600
Speaker 7: by the likes of Connor McGregor and George Saint Pierre,

612
00:29:49,600 --> 00:29:51,920
Speaker 7: making money with pay per viewpoints and everything else. But

613
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Speaker 7: we're gonna have plenty more on her, obviously coming up

614
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Speaker 7: later in the program of long Ago and with Brian

615
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Speaker 7: Petrie and everybody else. To that end, let us get

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Speaker 7: to the Ray Longo minutes.

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Speaker 6: It's now time for the Ray Longo Minutes, and I'm

618
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Speaker 6: gonna puts a hole.

619
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Speaker 5: In this fucking sets.

620
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Speaker 4: That's what I wanted.

621
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Speaker 1: The Ray Longo minute rang the.

622
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Speaker 4: John nik and Kenny Florian podcast.

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Speaker 7: Look alive out there, Raymond Longo is in your living room.

624
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Speaker 7: I mean, you look like a movie star, but I

625
00:30:21,200 --> 00:30:23,000
Speaker 7: understand your back has not held up.

626
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Speaker 5: What happened?

627
00:30:24,120 --> 00:30:26,080
Speaker 3: Holda hell knows.

628
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Speaker 8: I don't know, but I don't like not feeling good,

629
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Speaker 8: so it's kind of sucks.

630
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Speaker 7: It's one of those fucking Benjamin button aging and reverse,

631
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Speaker 7: so no button.

632
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Speaker 5: Tell us what happened to your back?

633
00:30:37,080 --> 00:30:40,320
Speaker 8: Oh, I don't know. I heard it bench pressing, but

634
00:30:40,360 --> 00:30:41,920
Speaker 8: I wasn't really doing a lot of weight, and I

635
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Speaker 8: don't know, just it's I strained it. I hope, hopefully

636
00:30:44,880 --> 00:30:48,600
Speaker 8: that's it. But I've been doing a lot of bike riding.

637
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Speaker 8: If anybody kids.

638
00:30:49,960 --> 00:30:53,040
Speaker 7: Yeah, well that can certainly hurt your lower back. I

639
00:30:53,040 --> 00:30:55,600
Speaker 7: know for me, after I bike fifteen or twenty miles,

640
00:30:55,640 --> 00:30:58,840
Speaker 7: my button, my burning is a lot.

641
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Speaker 3: I did six on Friday and I felt like a

642
00:31:01,800 --> 00:31:04,880
Speaker 3: million dollars. Man, good Man, who the hell knows?

643
00:31:05,040 --> 00:31:07,720
Speaker 5: Yeah, so, so how do we got?

644
00:31:08,040 --> 00:31:10,040
Speaker 7: How about this UFC two seventy five business?

645
00:31:10,280 --> 00:31:10,760
Speaker 5: What a show?

646
00:31:10,800 --> 00:31:11,880
Speaker 7: I mean, if you got to go all the way

647
00:31:11,880 --> 00:31:14,200
Speaker 7: to Singapore, beautiful country, don't get me wrong, just really

648
00:31:14,200 --> 00:31:17,719
Speaker 7: fucking far from South Florida, you know, great place. If

649
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Speaker 7: you're going to go that far, might as well have

650
00:31:19,560 --> 00:31:21,320
Speaker 7: one of the greatest fight cards, top to bottom in

651
00:31:21,320 --> 00:31:22,040
Speaker 7: the UFC history.

652
00:31:22,120 --> 00:31:23,280
Speaker 3: Right, Yeah, it was that.

653
00:31:23,440 --> 00:31:25,800
Speaker 8: That was a great card. But I think those days

654
00:31:25,800 --> 00:31:28,360
Speaker 8: are gone for me. Man, Just that scares me at

655
00:31:28,360 --> 00:31:32,200
Speaker 8: this point. What you did, he actually scares me, Like

656
00:31:32,200 --> 00:31:34,000
Speaker 8: when you were in Vegas saying you still had to

657
00:31:34,040 --> 00:31:35,880
Speaker 8: stay there and then you're flying to Singapore.

658
00:31:37,240 --> 00:31:40,600
Speaker 7: Yeah, I I honestly don't know how much sense I

659
00:31:40,640 --> 00:31:42,880
Speaker 7: have made over the last forty minutes. So I'm glad

660
00:31:42,920 --> 00:31:45,440
Speaker 7: that I take up some of the real estate. You know,

661
00:31:45,560 --> 00:31:47,720
Speaker 7: some of our listeners are a little bit disappointed today,

662
00:31:47,720 --> 00:31:50,680
Speaker 7: but because this was supposed to be the peatree longo.

663
00:31:50,880 --> 00:31:55,040
Speaker 7: Ken Flow, Oh so, I don't know what happened. You know,

664
00:31:55,160 --> 00:31:57,800
Speaker 7: I think Ken Flow kind of likes having his security blanket.

665
00:31:57,800 --> 00:31:59,200
Speaker 7: I don't think he wants to do that.

666
00:32:00,720 --> 00:32:02,880
Speaker 8: Support you know, well, I'll tell you one thing he

667
00:32:02,960 --> 00:32:05,120
Speaker 8: wasn't getting with me was a security blanket.

668
00:32:05,160 --> 00:32:07,160
Speaker 5: That's what all.

669
00:32:07,440 --> 00:32:10,959
Speaker 7: So I don't even necessarily know where to begin, you know,

670
00:32:11,240 --> 00:32:15,800
Speaker 7: it definitely was emotional for me when Yo Wanna retired

671
00:32:15,840 --> 00:32:19,040
Speaker 7: and then seeing Glover and that. I mean, dude, there's

672
00:32:19,080 --> 00:32:21,080
Speaker 7: so much to unpack. What would you what would you

673
00:32:21,120 --> 00:32:22,960
Speaker 7: want to lead with? You want to talk about Yuri

674
00:32:23,000 --> 00:32:24,160
Speaker 7: pro Hoska in the main event?

675
00:32:24,680 --> 00:32:27,280
Speaker 8: Uh, yeah, let's do it, man, Let's do it. First off,

676
00:32:27,320 --> 00:32:29,560
Speaker 8: I texted you I thought the interview would glove. It

677
00:32:29,720 --> 00:32:33,280
Speaker 8: was fantastic. I just think he got such a down

678
00:32:33,360 --> 00:32:38,720
Speaker 8: to earth good guy. Yeah, he really is. To me,

679
00:32:38,880 --> 00:32:40,800
Speaker 8: that's what you want out of a champion. He walks

680
00:32:40,840 --> 00:32:43,360
Speaker 8: in a room and he doesn't make a big stink

681
00:32:43,440 --> 00:32:46,360
Speaker 8: about anything. He's just one of those just I don't know, just.

682
00:32:48,000 --> 00:32:52,120
Speaker 7: Day in Connecticut, like and of course he was twelve

683
00:32:52,160 --> 00:32:55,720
Speaker 7: minutes early, right, you know, I mean how many fighters

684
00:32:55,760 --> 00:32:58,640
Speaker 7: Kemplo can attest, right, if you had an interview with

685
00:32:58,640 --> 00:33:01,960
Speaker 7: a fighter, how many of our seven hundred fighters show

686
00:33:02,040 --> 00:33:05,600
Speaker 7: up at least one second late? I would say like

687
00:33:05,640 --> 00:33:08,040
Speaker 7: eighty five percent of the fucking roster, plus.

688
00:33:08,200 --> 00:33:13,120
Speaker 3: Plus for a Brazilian guy. That's really good, right time.

689
00:33:13,680 --> 00:33:16,560
Speaker 7: I welcome that stereotype Brazilian time.

690
00:33:16,640 --> 00:33:17,320
Speaker 5: Yeah.

691
00:33:17,560 --> 00:33:20,680
Speaker 7: So yeah, an amazing main event. Glover was an amazing

692
00:33:20,720 --> 00:33:23,400
Speaker 7: champion obviously. I mean, he's a legend. I do hope

693
00:33:23,440 --> 00:33:25,400
Speaker 7: that he gets into that modern era of the UFC

694
00:33:25,480 --> 00:33:27,680
Speaker 7: Hall of Fame at the very least this fight is

695
00:33:27,720 --> 00:33:30,280
Speaker 7: going in. Uh what did you make of this back

696
00:33:30,280 --> 00:33:31,600
Speaker 7: and forth? Where were you watching?

697
00:33:32,200 --> 00:33:32,360
Speaker 3: Uh?

698
00:33:32,400 --> 00:33:34,719
Speaker 8: No, I watched it at the house and came out

699
00:33:34,800 --> 00:33:36,480
Speaker 8: of my seat when he had the guy hurt and

700
00:33:36,480 --> 00:33:37,560
Speaker 8: he went for the guillotine.

701
00:33:37,600 --> 00:33:39,480
Speaker 3: My heart goes out to him. I thought he.

702
00:33:39,480 --> 00:33:42,480
Speaker 8: Made he made some I love the guy, but man,

703
00:33:42,520 --> 00:33:46,080
Speaker 8: he made some mistakes. That man, he should have won

704
00:33:46,160 --> 00:33:48,880
Speaker 8: that fight. I mean, and I think when we at

705
00:33:48,880 --> 00:33:50,560
Speaker 8: the end of the day, when we look at Glover

706
00:33:50,720 --> 00:33:53,320
Speaker 8: in the years he missed in his prime and how

707
00:33:53,320 --> 00:33:55,560
Speaker 8: he became a champion at an older age.

708
00:33:55,560 --> 00:33:56,760
Speaker 3: I don't think. I don't think.

709
00:33:56,760 --> 00:33:58,360
Speaker 8: I think he's going to be hard to beat him

710
00:33:58,360 --> 00:34:01,000
Speaker 8: as a heavyweight champion for certain reasons.

711
00:34:01,040 --> 00:34:02,239
Speaker 3: You know a lot of times you just look at

712
00:34:02,240 --> 00:34:03,440
Speaker 3: the record, you look at this.

713
00:34:03,760 --> 00:34:05,440
Speaker 8: But you know, the guy's had like an eighty five

714
00:34:05,440 --> 00:34:07,680
Speaker 8: percent finish rate in his career.

715
00:34:07,760 --> 00:34:10,239
Speaker 3: He's the guy. Is just I don't know.

716
00:34:10,280 --> 00:34:12,279
Speaker 8: I just I'm a big fan of love Is And uh,

717
00:34:12,880 --> 00:34:15,360
Speaker 8: I thought he had that fight one. I thought he

718
00:34:15,440 --> 00:34:18,880
Speaker 8: made a couple of mistakes that drive me nuts, especially

719
00:34:18,920 --> 00:34:20,960
Speaker 8: because he's got knocked out power. It's not like he's

720
00:34:20,960 --> 00:34:23,640
Speaker 8: a he's a wrestler. He could he could beat the

721
00:34:23,640 --> 00:34:26,360
Speaker 8: crap out of his standing up. I mean, yeah, last

722
00:34:26,360 --> 00:34:28,080
Speaker 8: thing to go is power, and you had the guy

723
00:34:28,120 --> 00:34:32,640
Speaker 8: on wobbly legs. I just just actually broke my heart

724
00:34:32,680 --> 00:34:33,200
Speaker 8: to see.

725
00:34:33,480 --> 00:34:35,959
Speaker 7: You know, Kenny, I know you sort of leaned into

726
00:34:35,960 --> 00:34:38,160
Speaker 7: that a little bit too. There were some tactical things

727
00:34:38,200 --> 00:34:40,879
Speaker 7: that that I think even Glover and his coaches and

728
00:34:41,239 --> 00:34:44,879
Speaker 7: his manager acknowledged to me that maybe would have would

729
00:34:44,920 --> 00:34:47,240
Speaker 7: have resulted in a different term events.

730
00:34:49,120 --> 00:34:51,680
Speaker 5: Yeah, like Ray. I don't think he there was any

731
00:34:51,719 --> 00:34:55,000
Speaker 5: reason for him to try to Mean, if you have

732
00:34:55,080 --> 00:34:57,840
Speaker 5: someone on the ropes like that, why would you willing

733
00:34:58,280 --> 00:35:01,960
Speaker 5: willingly go to your back less you're in a scramble,

734
00:35:02,000 --> 00:35:04,640
Speaker 5: you're already on your back or on your knees. Why

735
00:35:04,680 --> 00:35:08,239
Speaker 5: would you go to an inferior position? And for who

736
00:35:08,280 --> 00:35:10,400
Speaker 5: Glover is as a fighter, why would he do that?

737
00:35:10,600 --> 00:35:13,120
Speaker 5: Just go for a take like I mean, at least

738
00:35:13,120 --> 00:35:15,520
Speaker 5: go for a takedown, get on top or something finishing.

739
00:35:16,840 --> 00:35:19,279
Speaker 5: But he had Uri hurt, and I don't think there

740
00:35:19,360 --> 00:35:23,600
Speaker 5: was any any reason joke and losing position a couple

741
00:35:23,600 --> 00:35:25,600
Speaker 5: of times, like he had his back and got too

742
00:35:25,600 --> 00:35:28,880
Speaker 5: far forward, which just seemed like more of a rookie

743
00:35:28,960 --> 00:35:31,839
Speaker 5: mistake in that regard. But again, I do think those

744
00:35:31,880 --> 00:35:35,160
Speaker 5: body shots really hurt him, and I don't think that

745
00:35:35,239 --> 00:35:37,879
Speaker 5: properly and had him moving properly. I think I think

746
00:35:37,880 --> 00:35:40,280
Speaker 5: he was dealing with some pain of some body issues

747
00:35:40,320 --> 00:35:42,719
Speaker 5: there because of those body shots from Uri. But it

748
00:35:42,800 --> 00:35:44,239
Speaker 5: was unfortunate. Yeah, he had that.

749
00:35:44,160 --> 00:35:47,040
Speaker 7: Fight, and he even acknowledged some of the body shots

750
00:35:47,040 --> 00:35:48,879
Speaker 7: in his post fight interview with with DC.

751
00:35:49,000 --> 00:35:50,640
Speaker 3: Go ahead, right, yeah, no question about it.

752
00:35:50,640 --> 00:35:53,040
Speaker 8: But he is a big puncher also, you know what

753
00:35:53,120 --> 00:35:55,440
Speaker 8: I mean, Like, I get it if you're a wrestler

754
00:35:55,840 --> 00:35:57,920
Speaker 8: and you don't really have the stand up, but he

755
00:35:58,040 --> 00:36:03,399
Speaker 8: has the ability to finish that fight, like unequivocally has

756
00:36:03,440 --> 00:36:06,719
Speaker 8: no deality to finish that fight. So I just hope

757
00:36:06,719 --> 00:36:09,200
Speaker 8: he doesn't, you know, I mean, you know, I think

758
00:36:09,200 --> 00:36:11,440
Speaker 8: he's going to look back on that and understand it.

759
00:36:11,920 --> 00:36:14,799
Speaker 8: But uh, I was pulling for the guy so much

760
00:36:14,880 --> 00:36:16,560
Speaker 8: that it's just the kind of killed me.

761
00:36:16,600 --> 00:36:18,560
Speaker 3: But you know, the other guy did a great job.

762
00:36:18,600 --> 00:36:22,719
Speaker 8: He's he's a loose cannon obviously, but he makes his

763
00:36:22,760 --> 00:36:24,720
Speaker 8: style work for him. So it was a great fight.

764
00:36:25,320 --> 00:36:27,680
Speaker 8: What I think, a lot of mistakes made on both sides,

765
00:36:29,080 --> 00:36:31,360
Speaker 8: but one guy, one guy purposely making him and the

766
00:36:31,360 --> 00:36:33,680
Speaker 8: other guy right purposely making him.

767
00:36:33,920 --> 00:36:37,480
Speaker 7: So when you're watching Valentina Shevchenko and Tyler Santos, given

768
00:36:37,520 --> 00:36:40,840
Speaker 7: how dominant a champion Shepchenko has been, even sometimes for

769
00:36:41,000 --> 00:36:44,160
Speaker 7: us on the commentary side, sometimes there can be a

770
00:36:44,400 --> 00:36:47,840
Speaker 7: subconscious tendency to sort of lean into the underdog challenger

771
00:36:49,040 --> 00:36:52,320
Speaker 7: because of that backdrop. Are you watching that fight thinking

772
00:36:52,400 --> 00:36:55,560
Speaker 7: that that Santos is up and Shepchenko potentially needs to

773
00:36:55,640 --> 00:36:58,319
Speaker 7: finish in round five. What were your thoughts as you're

774
00:36:58,680 --> 00:36:59,879
Speaker 7: watching that fight play out?

775
00:37:00,600 --> 00:37:02,880
Speaker 8: You know, in hindsight, it's the same thing as Rays

776
00:37:03,000 --> 00:37:07,480
Speaker 8: Jones one two three go to Santos. She out wrestled,

777
00:37:07,480 --> 00:37:11,440
Speaker 8: the out scrambled, the controlled the I don't I don't

778
00:37:11,480 --> 00:37:14,480
Speaker 8: even you know. I'm gonna address something else later, but uh,

779
00:37:14,600 --> 00:37:17,320
Speaker 8: I thought it was one two three for Santos. Yeah,

780
00:37:17,360 --> 00:37:21,080
Speaker 8: and and the story she needed to finish. The most

781
00:37:21,200 --> 00:37:24,240
Speaker 8: damaged she did was was the headbutt, the accidental headbult

782
00:37:24,239 --> 00:37:28,680
Speaker 8: which broke her orbital I heard, now, so I don't know.

783
00:37:28,800 --> 00:37:31,160
Speaker 8: I mean, Valentine is a great fighter, has nothing to

784
00:37:31,239 --> 00:37:34,040
Speaker 8: you know, Jones is John Jones is a great fighter,

785
00:37:34,080 --> 00:37:36,200
Speaker 8: but he lost that fight to Rays. And those are

786
00:37:36,320 --> 00:37:39,120
Speaker 8: those are fights that you you trained for and that

787
00:37:39,160 --> 00:37:42,279
Speaker 8: you just hope the judges get it right. I'm not

788
00:37:42,320 --> 00:37:45,440
Speaker 8: saying I'm not no means a robbery, nothing like that,

789
00:37:45,480 --> 00:37:47,640
Speaker 8: but I just it's just my opinion.

790
00:37:47,680 --> 00:37:49,000
Speaker 5: I'm not no no.

791
00:37:49,400 --> 00:37:51,359
Speaker 8: And you kind of knew what was gonna happen, and

792
00:37:51,360 --> 00:37:54,520
Speaker 8: that's what drives me more crazy than anything.

793
00:37:54,880 --> 00:37:56,160
Speaker 3: You know what's gonna happen.

794
00:37:57,160 --> 00:37:59,800
Speaker 7: I'd actually have to go back. I actually thought Tiago

795
00:37:59,840 --> 00:38:02,720
Speaker 7: Santo speak John Jones. But I did not think dominic

796
00:38:02,800 --> 00:38:06,040
Speaker 7: rayspe John Jones, you know, but that is very much

797
00:38:06,120 --> 00:38:10,920
Speaker 7: neither here nor there, dude, John Way Leebro, Yeah, I

798
00:38:11,000 --> 00:38:14,200
Speaker 7: was never seen anything like John like. I love the

799
00:38:14,239 --> 00:38:17,280
Speaker 7: strawights man like I with respect to to the Kenny

800
00:38:17,280 --> 00:38:19,880
Speaker 7: Florian era in the uf c's lightweight division and one

801
00:38:19,960 --> 00:38:22,279
Speaker 7: hundred and fifty five pound mail fighters, like I think

802
00:38:22,320 --> 00:38:25,439
Speaker 7: straweight's my favorite division historically and right now.

803
00:38:25,960 --> 00:38:26,759
Speaker 3: Yeah, well there's a.

804
00:38:26,719 --> 00:38:29,440
Speaker 8: Lot of great strawweight fighters, first of all, but she was,

805
00:38:29,560 --> 00:38:33,000
Speaker 8: she was. She's a powerhouse, that little girl. Oh you know,

806
00:38:34,239 --> 00:38:39,480
Speaker 8: uh because technically to spin Bakfast wasn't even correctly thrown.

807
00:38:39,520 --> 00:38:42,720
Speaker 3: But she's got so much power that she faced planted

808
00:38:43,000 --> 00:38:43,239
Speaker 3: like that.

809
00:38:43,280 --> 00:38:46,080
Speaker 8: And obviously the element of surprise is a huge, you

810
00:38:46,120 --> 00:38:48,560
Speaker 8: know factor in there. But uh, even the way she

811
00:38:48,680 --> 00:38:50,880
Speaker 8: man handled her on the floor, she was. She was

812
00:38:50,920 --> 00:38:53,879
Speaker 8: on fire that night. And I thought Joanna came out,

813
00:38:53,920 --> 00:38:55,799
Speaker 8: you know, for not having fought. I thought she did

814
00:38:55,840 --> 00:38:57,879
Speaker 8: a great job. I thought she was in there to fight.

815
00:38:58,000 --> 00:39:00,719
Speaker 8: She wasn't in there, you know, to have a retlument things.

816
00:39:00,719 --> 00:39:02,520
Speaker 8: She was fighting, right, you know what I mean, She

817
00:39:02,680 --> 00:39:05,560
Speaker 8: just got caught. That's the definition of just getting cought

818
00:39:05,560 --> 00:39:09,400
Speaker 8: because you know, for a girl that you know was

819
00:39:09,440 --> 00:39:11,759
Speaker 8: out for so long, I thought she did a fantastic

820
00:39:11,840 --> 00:39:12,319
Speaker 8: job too.

821
00:39:12,320 --> 00:39:14,440
Speaker 3: And you know, it actually brought a.

822
00:39:14,360 --> 00:39:16,319
Speaker 8: Tear in my eye when she retired and the way

823
00:39:16,320 --> 00:39:18,640
Speaker 8: she did it, and she's such a sweetheart and she

824
00:39:18,760 --> 00:39:20,799
Speaker 8: was great for the sport. I just wish your role

825
00:39:20,880 --> 00:39:24,399
Speaker 8: the best of luck in the future. But uh, yeah

826
00:39:24,440 --> 00:39:26,759
Speaker 8: it was. But that was another great fight.

827
00:39:28,320 --> 00:39:30,680
Speaker 7: So ken Flow might hop out for a minute and

828
00:39:30,719 --> 00:39:32,560
Speaker 7: try to get to some of his technical issues. So

829
00:39:32,600 --> 00:39:35,600
Speaker 7: if you are solely listening to this podcast for ken Flow,

830
00:39:36,000 --> 00:39:37,880
Speaker 7: this might not be the best ten minutes in the

831
00:39:37,920 --> 00:39:40,080
Speaker 7: history of the program. I go as I go one

832
00:39:40,120 --> 00:39:42,080
Speaker 7: on one with my guy Ray Longa, like we used

833
00:39:42,120 --> 00:39:45,440
Speaker 7: to do on the Instagram lives. So you know, as

834
00:39:45,480 --> 00:39:47,840
Speaker 7: far as Joanna, I just have so much respect for

835
00:39:47,880 --> 00:39:52,640
Speaker 7: the wait out this week and her career. You know,

836
00:39:52,680 --> 00:39:55,040
Speaker 7: I married into a Polish family, but that's not why

837
00:39:55,080 --> 00:39:57,440
Speaker 7: I have just like buckets of love for this woman

838
00:39:57,520 --> 00:39:59,520
Speaker 7: and everything she accomplished in the UFC.

839
00:40:00,400 --> 00:40:02,040
Speaker 3: Yeah no, what can you say.

840
00:40:02,280 --> 00:40:05,360
Speaker 8: I mean, she really ruled that division. She was great

841
00:40:05,400 --> 00:40:08,000
Speaker 8: for the you know, for the straw weights, and.

842
00:40:09,560 --> 00:40:10,399
Speaker 3: You like again, just.

843
00:40:10,320 --> 00:40:12,520
Speaker 8: Wish it a best of luck because I really thought

844
00:40:12,520 --> 00:40:14,719
Speaker 8: she was she was she was aggressive, she was in

845
00:40:15,160 --> 00:40:15,800
Speaker 8: she was in there.

846
00:40:15,719 --> 00:40:16,359
Speaker 3: To win that fight.

847
00:40:16,400 --> 00:40:17,480
Speaker 5: I like, no doubt about it.

848
00:40:17,480 --> 00:40:20,359
Speaker 8: I love the way she even though like the way

849
00:40:20,360 --> 00:40:22,799
Speaker 8: she lost was an ideal, obviously, I loved the way

850
00:40:22,840 --> 00:40:26,040
Speaker 8: she was fighting before that. She wasn't deterred by what

851
00:40:26,239 --> 00:40:28,680
Speaker 8: happened at all with the wrestling, and she got back

852
00:40:28,719 --> 00:40:31,600
Speaker 8: to what she wanted to do and she just got caught,

853
00:40:31,760 --> 00:40:32,000
Speaker 8: you know.

854
00:40:32,200 --> 00:40:33,440
Speaker 3: So it's a shame.

855
00:40:34,040 --> 00:40:36,719
Speaker 7: So Joanna was asked about a lot of things at

856
00:40:36,719 --> 00:40:38,680
Speaker 7: her post by press conference, but one of the things

857
00:40:38,719 --> 00:40:41,680
Speaker 7: she was asked about was the fight forthcoming now between

858
00:40:41,719 --> 00:40:44,800
Speaker 7: Carla Esparza and John way Lee. All indications are, I

859
00:40:44,840 --> 00:40:47,080
Speaker 7: don't even think it's breaking news right that John way

860
00:40:47,160 --> 00:40:49,279
Speaker 7: Lee is the number one contender and it's going to

861
00:40:49,280 --> 00:40:52,640
Speaker 7: get the opportunity to challenge Carla Esparza. Even if she

862
00:40:52,680 --> 00:40:54,160
Speaker 7: didn't have the number one next to her name, I

863
00:40:54,200 --> 00:40:59,480
Speaker 7: guess that might be Rosnama uniss with respect, Johanna said

864
00:40:59,800 --> 00:41:02,759
Speaker 7: she thinks Jean way Lee knocks Carla Asparza out in

865
00:41:02,880 --> 00:41:05,759
Speaker 7: round one. Jean way Lee is going to be a

866
00:41:05,920 --> 00:41:08,160
Speaker 7: huge betting favorite against Carla Asparza.

867
00:41:08,280 --> 00:41:08,600
Speaker 5: Is she not?

868
00:41:08,680 --> 00:41:10,200
Speaker 7: Like I'm not gonna sit here and say it's gonna

869
00:41:10,200 --> 00:41:14,839
Speaker 7: be minus six hundred, but what I mean, do you like, dude,

870
00:41:14,840 --> 00:41:16,479
Speaker 7: she's got to be a three to one favorite against

871
00:41:16,520 --> 00:41:17,200
Speaker 7: Carlos Sparza.

872
00:41:17,280 --> 00:41:19,600
Speaker 3: Now at least the two to one. But I think,

873
00:41:19,680 --> 00:41:22,120
Speaker 3: what's not gonna happen what happened in the last fight.

874
00:41:23,160 --> 00:41:25,399
Speaker 5: Oh god, let.

875
00:41:25,360 --> 00:41:27,720
Speaker 3: Me tell you, that's definitely not this girl's coming forward.

876
00:41:28,200 --> 00:41:32,239
Speaker 8: I think, uh, you know, look, it's how they how

877
00:41:32,280 --> 00:41:33,640
Speaker 8: they're going to match up into wrestling.

878
00:41:33,719 --> 00:41:36,560
Speaker 3: But I thought, uh, I thought her.

879
00:41:36,480 --> 00:41:39,600
Speaker 8: Wrestling looked way better at this fight against Johanna, you

880
00:41:39,640 --> 00:41:40,200
Speaker 8: know what I mean.

881
00:41:40,280 --> 00:41:43,920
Speaker 3: So I don't know that that would be a good

882
00:41:43,960 --> 00:41:46,160
Speaker 3: fight though I think I think carl is tough.

883
00:41:46,000 --> 00:41:49,120
Speaker 8: And again she she can go back to her wrestling,

884
00:41:49,239 --> 00:41:50,920
Speaker 8: But this girl's got it all.

885
00:41:50,960 --> 00:41:52,000
Speaker 3: I think for that fight.

886
00:41:52,480 --> 00:41:54,960
Speaker 7: You know, I want to get to some other performances

887
00:41:54,960 --> 00:41:57,400
Speaker 7: at UFC two seventy five, but real quickly to circle

888
00:41:57,440 --> 00:42:00,080
Speaker 7: back pro Haska to Shaa in a rematch, is that

889
00:42:00,160 --> 00:42:02,600
Speaker 7: what you would do in maybe November Madison Square Garden

890
00:42:02,640 --> 00:42:06,080
Speaker 7: or not necessarily, Oh.

891
00:42:05,680 --> 00:42:07,880
Speaker 3: I would like that fight at the garden Yeah, I

892
00:42:08,000 --> 00:42:08,279
Speaker 3: like that.

893
00:42:08,320 --> 00:42:08,960
Speaker 9: I don't.

894
00:42:09,000 --> 00:42:10,279
Speaker 3: I don't know if they're gonna do that.

895
00:42:10,480 --> 00:42:13,160
Speaker 7: I think you think too soon or oh you think

896
00:42:13,160 --> 00:42:14,440
Speaker 7: they'll go in a different job.

897
00:42:14,719 --> 00:42:17,840
Speaker 8: Yeah, it depends on where they think the numbers are going,

898
00:42:17,960 --> 00:42:20,919
Speaker 8: you know, like can they do something with Yuri? And look,

899
00:42:21,120 --> 00:42:24,399
Speaker 8: unfortunately for Glover, he's forty three, So how much can

900
00:42:24,400 --> 00:42:25,480
Speaker 8: they squeeze out of him?

901
00:42:25,600 --> 00:42:27,319
Speaker 3: Right? And I think that's the way they go. Look

902
00:42:27,320 --> 00:42:28,320
Speaker 3: at it like a business.

903
00:42:28,400 --> 00:42:31,840
Speaker 8: Right, we got a young guy who's you know, flashy

904
00:42:32,000 --> 00:42:34,560
Speaker 8: and up and coming and you know all of that stuff.

905
00:42:34,600 --> 00:42:38,000
Speaker 8: I think they're gonna lean towards probably matching that guy

906
00:42:38,080 --> 00:42:40,600
Speaker 8: up with a couple of fights he could, you know,

907
00:42:40,960 --> 00:42:43,520
Speaker 8: do his thing with I think. But if you're asking

908
00:42:43,600 --> 00:42:45,759
Speaker 8: me what the right thing to do is put him

909
00:42:45,800 --> 00:42:49,200
Speaker 8: back at the garden in November or whenever that fight is.

910
00:42:49,640 --> 00:42:51,040
Speaker 7: By the way, I don't know if you were on

911
00:42:51,120 --> 00:42:54,640
Speaker 7: social media early to earlier today as we're rejoined by

912
00:42:54,680 --> 00:42:58,000
Speaker 7: the legend ken Flow, So did you guys see the

913
00:42:58,080 --> 00:43:02,239
Speaker 7: parade for Uri pro Haska in the Czech Republic? I mean,

914
00:43:02,480 --> 00:43:05,080
Speaker 7: we're not forty eight hours removed from this fight. Maybe

915
00:43:05,080 --> 00:43:07,920
Speaker 7: we are because I've been on an airplane. But I

916
00:43:07,920 --> 00:43:11,240
Speaker 7: mean he had seven thousand plus parading in the Czech Republic,

917
00:43:11,360 --> 00:43:15,640
Speaker 7: like within hours of him winning this title. I mean, yeah,

918
00:43:15,719 --> 00:43:18,440
Speaker 7: we're rolling in the video here courtesy of his manager

919
00:43:18,480 --> 00:43:19,120
Speaker 7: Tim Simpson.

920
00:43:19,160 --> 00:43:20,200
Speaker 5: This is incredible stuff.

921
00:43:21,760 --> 00:43:22,440
Speaker 3: Oh my god.

922
00:43:23,440 --> 00:43:26,080
Speaker 8: Unfortunately, John, I'm still off for social media because that

923
00:43:26,360 --> 00:43:28,239
Speaker 8: fucking hacking piece of shit.

924
00:43:28,360 --> 00:43:31,880
Speaker 3: I still haven't got much my account back. Ah. I

925
00:43:31,920 --> 00:43:34,759
Speaker 3: believe what a matter if you offered a bounty for

926
00:43:34,840 --> 00:43:35,160
Speaker 3: this guy.

927
00:43:35,239 --> 00:43:37,640
Speaker 5: At this point, we need to have someone find that guy.

928
00:43:37,880 --> 00:43:42,000
Speaker 8: I mean I thought, yeah, I just can't, you know whatever.

929
00:43:42,320 --> 00:43:44,600
Speaker 8: But so, Doc, glad you showed me that looks great.

930
00:43:44,840 --> 00:43:45,200
Speaker 5: All right.

931
00:43:45,320 --> 00:43:47,239
Speaker 7: I want to get to some of these other performances,

932
00:43:47,239 --> 00:43:49,600
Speaker 7: and I want to keep the shot on Jake Matthews,

933
00:43:49,680 --> 00:43:52,759
Speaker 7: the Celtic Kid, for this win over Andre Fialio by

934
00:43:52,840 --> 00:43:55,200
Speaker 7: knockout in round two. But I think there are may

935
00:43:55,200 --> 00:43:57,479
Speaker 7: be more talking points on the Filio side. I will

936
00:43:57,560 --> 00:43:59,920
Speaker 7: just tell you. You know, Jake Matthews was a now

937
00:44:00,440 --> 00:44:02,520
Speaker 7: prick on the regional scene. He was only seven to

938
00:44:02,600 --> 00:44:04,439
Speaker 7: zher when he signed with the UFC at nineteen years

939
00:44:04,440 --> 00:44:06,920
Speaker 7: of age. And you know he did at times in

940
00:44:06,960 --> 00:44:10,160
Speaker 7: his UFC career fight safety first and in our fighter meeting,

941
00:44:10,200 --> 00:44:13,759
Speaker 7: he kept talking about getting away from fighting, safety first, right,

942
00:44:13,800 --> 00:44:17,840
Speaker 7: and how he aligned with this legendary boxing coach, Big Jase,

943
00:44:17,880 --> 00:44:20,719
Speaker 7: who worked with Mark Hunt for years and proof is

944
00:44:20,719 --> 00:44:23,200
Speaker 7: in the pudding. But I mean, this is Jake Matthews

945
00:44:23,200 --> 00:44:24,960
Speaker 7: two point zero ken flow to say the least.

946
00:44:25,520 --> 00:44:27,719
Speaker 5: He's been working in the offseason. He's been working on

947
00:44:27,760 --> 00:44:30,319
Speaker 5: his striking. He looked totally different. And you know, we

948
00:44:30,440 --> 00:44:33,760
Speaker 5: talked about his potential, or I talked about his potential

949
00:44:33,760 --> 00:44:37,720
Speaker 5: when we first saw him, and last night, I feel

950
00:44:37,719 --> 00:44:40,320
Speaker 5: like he really is fulfilling that potential. He was always

951
00:44:40,360 --> 00:44:43,359
Speaker 5: yeah grappler. He's putting it all together right now. And

952
00:44:44,440 --> 00:44:48,200
Speaker 5: not only was he offensively amazing, but Fiajo was really

953
00:44:48,239 --> 00:44:51,359
Speaker 5: ineffective with his striking. I mean he was moving really well,

954
00:44:51,400 --> 00:44:54,959
Speaker 5: he was cutting angles. This was a completely different type

955
00:44:54,960 --> 00:44:58,440
Speaker 5: of Jake Matthews. And I'm really excited for this kid. Man.

956
00:44:59,400 --> 00:45:01,880
Speaker 5: He's going to do some serious damage. He's fighting like that.

957
00:45:01,960 --> 00:45:04,760
Speaker 5: He's gonna give a lot of people trouble and wouldn't

958
00:45:04,800 --> 00:45:06,359
Speaker 5: be surprised if he fights for the belt one day.

959
00:45:07,000 --> 00:45:09,920
Speaker 8: Wait, I'm confused because I think I was at I

960
00:45:09,920 --> 00:45:14,040
Speaker 8: think I had a Equinta fighting in Australia for his debut.

961
00:45:14,080 --> 00:45:16,200
Speaker 3: But I thought he always had good hands. Am I

962
00:45:16,280 --> 00:45:16,920
Speaker 3: wrong with that?

963
00:45:17,160 --> 00:45:19,600
Speaker 5: Or it was okay? It was okay. He was more

964
00:45:19,640 --> 00:45:21,080
Speaker 5: known as a grappler, you know.

965
00:45:21,040 --> 00:45:23,360
Speaker 8: Oh wow, all right, because I thought when I remember

966
00:45:23,440 --> 00:45:25,600
Speaker 8: him from back then, go way, I thought his hands

967
00:45:25,600 --> 00:45:27,880
Speaker 8: were good. He looked great. But this this fight he

968
00:45:28,000 --> 00:45:30,799
Speaker 8: really showcases. Look, it was a great matchup for him.

969
00:45:30,840 --> 00:45:33,120
Speaker 8: The other guy throws punches from his ass.

970
00:45:33,160 --> 00:45:33,799
Speaker 3: You know what I mean.

971
00:45:33,880 --> 00:45:36,480
Speaker 8: He throws hard and if he hits, he's gonna get

972
00:45:36,520 --> 00:45:38,680
Speaker 8: at it. But I think he learned a lesson to

973
00:45:38,840 --> 00:45:42,799
Speaker 8: that against a little slicker guy, you have to be

974
00:45:42,880 --> 00:45:45,280
Speaker 8: a little tighter than that and typing up your offense.

975
00:45:45,320 --> 00:45:49,880
Speaker 8: You know, he's he's just winging that guy and he's.

976
00:45:49,160 --> 00:45:52,640
Speaker 7: And I think Henry Hoof too, you know, probably isn't

977
00:45:52,680 --> 00:45:56,200
Speaker 7: getting the developmental time that he would like with Andre Fialio.

978
00:45:56,320 --> 00:45:58,359
Speaker 7: And again, I'm not a fighter. I don't know how

979
00:45:58,400 --> 00:46:00,600
Speaker 7: sustainable this is. I understand for a lot of guys

980
00:46:00,600 --> 00:46:03,279
Speaker 7: they want to feel that UFC canvas and when they're

981
00:46:03,280 --> 00:46:05,720
Speaker 7: in an active competition schedule, they compete better.

982
00:46:05,800 --> 00:46:07,360
Speaker 5: But how sustainable is this?

983
00:46:07,440 --> 00:46:10,680
Speaker 7: Kenfully fought in January, right then he fought in April May,

984
00:46:10,760 --> 00:46:13,520
Speaker 7: and now June. You know, he had just fought five

985
00:46:13,560 --> 00:46:16,279
Speaker 7: weeks ago. You travel all over the world, you know.

986
00:46:16,400 --> 00:46:18,279
Speaker 7: I think a lot of it is working on a

987
00:46:18,320 --> 00:46:21,719
Speaker 7: cardiovascular base and cutting weight and everything else. You know,

988
00:46:21,800 --> 00:46:24,319
Speaker 7: confidence is off the charts, But I just don't know

989
00:46:24,400 --> 00:46:27,120
Speaker 7: that this is like how you go about winning a

990
00:46:27,239 --> 00:46:28,279
Speaker 7: UFC championship.

991
00:46:28,440 --> 00:46:31,120
Speaker 5: Yeah, list, I think you and Ray are spot on,

992
00:46:31,320 --> 00:46:34,799
Speaker 5: and it is it. It's tough. You want it. You

993
00:46:34,800 --> 00:46:36,799
Speaker 5: want your fighters to want to stay active, but at

994
00:46:36,800 --> 00:46:39,680
Speaker 5: the same time, camp after camp a lot of times

995
00:46:39,800 --> 00:46:42,640
Speaker 5: is worse than having fight after fight, and that will

996
00:46:42,719 --> 00:46:46,000
Speaker 5: drain you. Also, it's hard to get better when you're

997
00:46:46,000 --> 00:46:47,840
Speaker 5: fighting every month, you know what I mean, what what

998
00:46:48,040 --> 00:46:51,319
Speaker 5: what are you working on that's new? You know, if

999
00:46:51,400 --> 00:46:54,279
Speaker 5: you're staying busy and fighting every few weeks, it's hard

1000
00:46:54,320 --> 00:46:56,960
Speaker 5: to develop new skills because you're always getting ready for

1001
00:46:57,000 --> 00:47:01,239
Speaker 5: that next challenge. So I think Andre should take some

1002
00:47:01,360 --> 00:47:05,239
Speaker 5: time off, you know, especially after a knockout loss like that.

1003
00:47:05,360 --> 00:47:08,120
Speaker 5: He took a lot of damage, give his body his

1004
00:47:08,200 --> 00:47:13,239
Speaker 5: brain time to recover, work on some new skills defensively, offensively, uh,

1005
00:47:13,680 --> 00:47:16,759
Speaker 5: and just get more technically sound, and I think he'll

1006
00:47:16,800 --> 00:47:18,880
Speaker 5: be okay. But he's got some work to do, and

1007
00:47:18,920 --> 00:47:21,200
Speaker 5: I think there's a good lesson. You can stay busy,

1008
00:47:21,520 --> 00:47:23,840
Speaker 5: but you have to be able to be ready for

1009
00:47:23,840 --> 00:47:25,799
Speaker 5: for you know that risk when you do that.

1010
00:47:26,920 --> 00:47:28,640
Speaker 3: Yeah, I couldn't. I couldn't agree more.

1011
00:47:28,680 --> 00:47:31,000
Speaker 8: I mean, and you know what, he's got the toughness,

1012
00:47:31,040 --> 00:47:34,040
Speaker 8: and that's something you can't teach. So man, just tighten

1013
00:47:34,120 --> 00:47:36,839
Speaker 8: him up a little bit. I think you know he'll

1014
00:47:36,880 --> 00:47:38,040
Speaker 8: he'll come back pretty good.

1015
00:47:38,840 --> 00:47:41,440
Speaker 7: So hostile ken flow was allowed out a little bit

1016
00:47:41,480 --> 00:47:43,600
Speaker 7: on social media. I mean not really, you know, but

1017
00:47:43,680 --> 00:47:46,720
Speaker 7: it is hard because people with the effective grappling stuff,

1018
00:47:46,719 --> 00:47:50,360
Speaker 7: but ken flow, Uh, Jack Della Mattelena had your frown

1019
00:47:50,480 --> 00:47:53,080
Speaker 7: turn an upside down there a little bit, right, Nothing

1020
00:47:53,200 --> 00:47:54,879
Speaker 7: like escape in a choke and then putting a guy

1021
00:47:54,880 --> 00:47:57,000
Speaker 7: away with the body shot. And that's Ramazan and Meve

1022
00:47:57,040 --> 00:48:00,160
Speaker 7: who nobody had put away in seven UFC fights. That

1023
00:48:00,239 --> 00:48:03,480
Speaker 7: is the Dagaistani wrestler test as Jack Dela Madelena put

1024
00:48:03,480 --> 00:48:05,400
Speaker 7: it in our fighter meeting and he was able to

1025
00:48:05,400 --> 00:48:09,480
Speaker 7: pass it. Camflow, what do you have on Jack Dela Madeleana.

1026
00:48:09,320 --> 00:48:14,040
Speaker 5: Dela Madelena dude, I love this kid. Listen. Not only

1027
00:48:14,120 --> 00:48:16,440
Speaker 5: is he a fantastic striker and knows how to put

1028
00:48:16,440 --> 00:48:18,640
Speaker 5: it all together really well and mixed martial arts, but

1029
00:48:19,280 --> 00:48:22,160
Speaker 5: he just seems at ease and comfortable when it's fight time.

1030
00:48:22,200 --> 00:48:24,960
Speaker 5: It's almost like he he just relaxes, like this is

1031
00:48:25,040 --> 00:48:27,480
Speaker 5: exactly where that kid needs to be at that point

1032
00:48:27,480 --> 00:48:29,879
Speaker 5: in time. So to me, it shows he's got ice

1033
00:48:29,920 --> 00:48:34,239
Speaker 5: in his veins. He's a performer, and he's got a

1034
00:48:34,239 --> 00:48:37,320
Speaker 5: tremendous amount of talent. Man it Listen, that was probably

1035
00:48:37,320 --> 00:48:40,320
Speaker 5: out of all those guys in that range, that's probably

1036
00:48:40,400 --> 00:48:43,400
Speaker 5: the worst matchup for him stylistically, like who wants to

1037
00:48:43,520 --> 00:48:46,080
Speaker 5: who raises their hand and he's like, yes, please, I

1038
00:48:46,120 --> 00:48:50,280
Speaker 5: want the Dagistani wrestler. You know, if a promoter doesn't

1039
00:48:50,440 --> 00:48:53,680
Speaker 5: like you, they give you a Dagastani wrestler. And Nila

1040
00:48:53,760 --> 00:48:57,200
Speaker 5: Madelena went out there and just took him out. Man again,

1041
00:48:57,480 --> 00:49:00,200
Speaker 5: his boxing in tight. I always I'm always impressed with

1042
00:49:00,200 --> 00:49:02,520
Speaker 5: the striker when they can hit you to the body,

1043
00:49:02,640 --> 00:49:05,480
Speaker 5: when they can slip and then cut angles and they're countering,

1044
00:49:05,840 --> 00:49:07,880
Speaker 5: and he was doing all that, Man, he didn't in

1045
00:49:07,880 --> 00:49:10,839
Speaker 5: the fight before that. I love this kid. Watch out

1046
00:49:10,880 --> 00:49:12,760
Speaker 5: for him. He's gonna do big things.

1047
00:49:14,239 --> 00:49:17,200
Speaker 7: Ray Sometimes actually, I think promotionally they give you this

1048
00:49:17,320 --> 00:49:19,520
Speaker 7: test because they do believe in you. And maybe they

1049
00:49:19,520 --> 00:49:23,000
Speaker 7: don't give you Cubevenrmago Medov right, but they want to

1050
00:49:23,040 --> 00:49:25,840
Speaker 7: see how you can handle this challenge. And it's amazing

1051
00:49:25,880 --> 00:49:30,360
Speaker 7: to me when people talk about star cultivation and UFC

1052
00:49:30,440 --> 00:49:33,480
Speaker 7: stars and you know, taking the torch in a certain country.

1053
00:49:33,640 --> 00:49:35,400
Speaker 7: There's gonna be so much talent in all of these

1054
00:49:35,480 --> 00:49:37,200
Speaker 7: regions coming up in the US. Everybody wants to be

1055
00:49:37,239 --> 00:49:38,759
Speaker 7: a fighter right now. It's like the thing to do,

1056
00:49:38,880 --> 00:49:42,280
Speaker 7: you know. But when you talk about Israel, Lota Sonya

1057
00:49:42,280 --> 00:49:45,080
Speaker 7: emerging from that region, I know he's a New Zealand guy.

1058
00:49:45,080 --> 00:49:48,000
Speaker 7: And Alexander Volkanovsky obviously is maybe the greatest featherweight we've

1059
00:49:48,040 --> 00:49:51,160
Speaker 7: ever seen. And now you have this welterweight out of Perth,

1060
00:49:51,560 --> 00:49:54,359
Speaker 7: which is even further away than Singapore from Miami, by

1061
00:49:54,400 --> 00:49:57,160
Speaker 7: the way, but now you've got Western Australia on the map.

1062
00:49:57,200 --> 00:49:59,279
Speaker 7: This dude's won like a dozen fights in a row.

1063
00:49:59,320 --> 00:50:01,880
Speaker 7: What'd you think of Della Maddelena over the weekend?

1064
00:50:02,120 --> 00:50:04,480
Speaker 8: No, well, could you tell me? He handled the adversity

1065
00:50:04,560 --> 00:50:06,759
Speaker 8: great I thought that choke was tight. Kenny would know

1066
00:50:07,280 --> 00:50:09,880
Speaker 8: better than me, but that thing looked like he was

1067
00:50:09,880 --> 00:50:12,960
Speaker 8: definitely gonna tap. And then to overcome that and to

1068
00:50:13,040 --> 00:50:14,680
Speaker 8: do what he did, I think is just a great

1069
00:50:14,680 --> 00:50:15,399
Speaker 8: look for him.

1070
00:50:15,760 --> 00:50:16,879
Speaker 3: And uh, we'll see.

1071
00:50:16,880 --> 00:50:19,759
Speaker 8: I'm not as high on him as Kenny is right now,

1072
00:50:19,880 --> 00:50:22,160
Speaker 8: but it was a great fight for him.

1073
00:50:22,440 --> 00:50:23,400
Speaker 3: You know, I'd have to see.

1074
00:50:23,480 --> 00:50:26,279
Speaker 8: Uh, I gotta see a little more, because you know,

1075
00:50:26,800 --> 00:50:30,000
Speaker 8: normally those wrestlers control you first. You know, this guy

1076
00:50:30,080 --> 00:50:32,480
Speaker 8: just went right for the choke and you know, so

1077
00:50:33,880 --> 00:50:34,960
Speaker 8: I don't know, I'd have to see.

1078
00:50:34,960 --> 00:50:35,480
Speaker 3: I gotta see.

1079
00:50:35,560 --> 00:50:37,200
Speaker 8: I have to see a little more. But he looked

1080
00:50:37,200 --> 00:50:39,800
Speaker 8: great and his first test, that's for sure.

1081
00:50:40,200 --> 00:50:44,680
Speaker 7: Well, before we let you go, you're nice, Sarah BJJ

1082
00:50:44,880 --> 00:50:46,320
Speaker 7: logo there on your T shirt?

1083
00:50:46,320 --> 00:50:47,240
Speaker 5: What is that T shirt?

1084
00:50:47,280 --> 00:50:48,839
Speaker 7: The quiet man that I'm looking at right.

1085
00:50:48,800 --> 00:50:53,440
Speaker 8: That's Dylan Montello. Just had a big win in Kabeb's promotion.

1086
00:50:54,160 --> 00:50:58,080
Speaker 8: He had a huge win. He's doing great congression.

1087
00:50:58,800 --> 00:51:01,920
Speaker 7: Anything else that you want to get to before we

1088
00:51:02,040 --> 00:51:04,120
Speaker 7: let you go? It's coming up on six pm. E Stern,

1089
00:51:04,120 --> 00:51:06,279
Speaker 7: We've taken up enough of your time. Anything else before

1090
00:51:06,320 --> 00:51:08,960
Speaker 7: we let you fly? What a fucking show man. But so, yeah,

1091
00:51:09,000 --> 00:51:11,160
Speaker 7: so you're not going to Asia anymore. You're you can

1092
00:51:11,200 --> 00:51:13,319
Speaker 7: sit here tell you you're not going to Asia nor

1093
00:51:13,360 --> 00:51:16,560
Speaker 7: Australia ever again. Unless Chris Widman's return fight.

1094
00:51:18,320 --> 00:51:19,160
Speaker 5: We all fuck it.

1095
00:51:19,160 --> 00:51:23,040
Speaker 3: Up, right, that's gonna be tough, man.

1096
00:51:23,680 --> 00:51:26,120
Speaker 8: Yeah, I swear to god, I felt your pain on

1097
00:51:26,160 --> 00:51:27,399
Speaker 8: that when you told me that in Vega.

1098
00:51:27,480 --> 00:51:28,120
Speaker 3: I'm not joking.

1099
00:51:28,200 --> 00:51:31,799
Speaker 8: I said, this is people don't realize the commitment.

1100
00:51:31,840 --> 00:51:33,560
Speaker 3: And then, you know, I did the show with TJ

1101
00:51:33,719 --> 00:51:34,040
Speaker 3: that night.

1102
00:51:34,160 --> 00:51:36,560
Speaker 8: He was even saying all three of you guys had

1103
00:51:36,560 --> 00:51:38,560
Speaker 8: to be in the arena by like six in the morning.

1104
00:51:39,160 --> 00:51:41,880
Speaker 3: I mean, that's a to me, that's a death sentence almost.

1105
00:51:42,000 --> 00:51:42,960
Speaker 3: That's how bad it is.

1106
00:51:43,040 --> 00:51:45,120
Speaker 7: So well, what I said Ray off the top of

1107
00:51:45,120 --> 00:51:48,480
Speaker 7: the show, I believe is that UFC two seventy four

1108
00:51:48,520 --> 00:51:50,840
Speaker 7: in Phoenix, our last pay per view had fifteen fights.

1109
00:51:50,920 --> 00:51:54,000
Speaker 7: This card got trimmed down to eleven, you know, thank

1110
00:51:54,080 --> 00:51:57,239
Speaker 7: the damn heavens. Right, Yeah, you're talking about two more

1111
00:51:57,280 --> 00:52:00,080
Speaker 7: hours of prelims on the front end, you know, And

1112
00:52:01,200 --> 00:52:03,360
Speaker 7: it's tough. And again, if the listeners and the viewers,

1113
00:52:03,360 --> 00:52:05,520
Speaker 7: I think this is a complain honestly, you know, you

1114
00:52:05,560 --> 00:52:09,800
Speaker 7: can pounding because I work my fucking ass off right

1115
00:52:10,520 --> 00:52:13,359
Speaker 7: a shack and you're talking about sixty fighters in two weeks, right,

1116
00:52:14,120 --> 00:52:16,920
Speaker 7: No matter what I do, right, run five miles that

1117
00:52:17,080 --> 00:52:19,000
Speaker 7: morning right in the street to Singapore. You're trying to

1118
00:52:19,000 --> 00:52:20,840
Speaker 7: put yourself in a position to be able to perform

1119
00:52:20,840 --> 00:52:23,920
Speaker 7: over eight hours and when you have ten prelimbs before

1120
00:52:24,000 --> 00:52:26,080
Speaker 7: I have to blow the veins through my neck out

1121
00:52:26,320 --> 00:52:28,759
Speaker 7: with you. It's not ideal, you know, And I don't

1122
00:52:28,800 --> 00:52:30,640
Speaker 7: care what you have to fucking say, so thank you

1123
00:52:30,680 --> 00:52:33,880
Speaker 7: for acknowledging you. No, I got to take it seriously

1124
00:52:33,960 --> 00:52:35,080
Speaker 7: or I'm gonna be fucked.

1125
00:52:35,280 --> 00:52:38,959
Speaker 3: You know, No, No, it isn't. I think that's well put.

1126
00:52:39,120 --> 00:52:39,560
Speaker 3: I really do.

1127
00:52:39,680 --> 00:52:42,719
Speaker 8: I think that's beautifully put. So gives a ship with

1128
00:52:42,800 --> 00:52:44,800
Speaker 8: anybody has to think anyway, John, come.

1129
00:52:44,680 --> 00:52:47,000
Speaker 7: On, you know well no, I mean if I could

1130
00:52:47,040 --> 00:52:49,680
Speaker 7: get that extra rounds money, you know, I just say that.

1131
00:52:50,680 --> 00:52:53,560
Speaker 8: You know, TJ gave it up to you. He brought

1132
00:52:53,560 --> 00:52:55,720
Speaker 8: it up. He was said, that is not an easy

1133
00:52:55,760 --> 00:52:58,520
Speaker 8: thing to do. And that's and I agree with I'm

1134
00:52:58,520 --> 00:53:01,319
Speaker 8: one hundred percent. People they take it for granted, you

1135
00:53:01,360 --> 00:53:03,560
Speaker 8: know what I mean. They have no idea to listen,

1136
00:53:03,600 --> 00:53:05,880
Speaker 8: everybody watching those fights thought it was whatever time it

1137
00:53:05,960 --> 00:53:06,360
Speaker 8: was when.

1138
00:53:06,200 --> 00:53:07,000
Speaker 3: They were watching them.

1139
00:53:07,120 --> 00:53:09,560
Speaker 8: Sure they have no clue that you know at six

1140
00:53:09,640 --> 00:53:12,319
Speaker 8: in the morning. I remember in Australia we had to

1141
00:53:12,320 --> 00:53:13,960
Speaker 8: be on the bus at six in the morning. I

1142
00:53:14,000 --> 00:53:17,280
Speaker 8: was like, this is insane, but I was I was youngest,

1143
00:53:17,280 --> 00:53:18,200
Speaker 8: so it didn't really matter.

1144
00:53:18,360 --> 00:53:22,359
Speaker 7: But what I have respect for is our fans in Europe, right,

1145
00:53:22,600 --> 00:53:25,719
Speaker 7: because if you are a Rabbit MMA fan and you

1146
00:53:25,760 --> 00:53:27,680
Speaker 7: want to watch all of these live events, you have

1147
00:53:27,760 --> 00:53:30,640
Speaker 7: to like totally change your life around. And I obviously

1148
00:53:30,640 --> 00:53:32,359
Speaker 7: fly a lot of red eyes after these shows, so

1149
00:53:32,560 --> 00:53:35,880
Speaker 7: I understand what it's like to pull all nighters several

1150
00:53:35,920 --> 00:53:37,879
Speaker 7: times a month. So that part of our fan base

1151
00:53:37,880 --> 00:53:40,759
Speaker 7: certainly has my respect, all right, Ray long ago, get

1152
00:53:40,800 --> 00:53:44,320
Speaker 7: the social media things situated, and yeah, well we're back.

1153
00:53:44,160 --> 00:53:45,080
Speaker 5: Next Sunday nights.

1154
00:53:45,080 --> 00:53:48,640
Speaker 7: So oh, Calvin Cator, Josh Emmittt who wins the main

1155
00:53:48,640 --> 00:53:50,040
Speaker 7: event in Austin, Texas this.

1156
00:53:50,040 --> 00:53:53,080
Speaker 3: Weekend, unequivocally Calvin Cata.

1157
00:53:53,000 --> 00:53:54,440
Speaker 5: All right, we like when the New York what's what's

1158
00:53:54,480 --> 00:53:57,000
Speaker 5: the what's the odds on that? Cater's a pretty big favorite.

1159
00:53:57,000 --> 00:54:00,480
Speaker 3: But my too, I think the fights tale of meta

1160
00:54:00,560 --> 00:54:01,400
Speaker 3: to be honest with you.

1161
00:54:01,560 --> 00:54:03,479
Speaker 7: All right, Hey, have a great day in a better evening.

1162
00:54:03,480 --> 00:54:04,480
Speaker 7: We'll talk to you Sunday night.

1163
00:54:04,480 --> 00:54:04,839
Speaker 5: Thank you.

1164
00:54:04,880 --> 00:54:05,919
Speaker 3: Take taking easy, guys.

1165
00:54:05,960 --> 00:54:10,080
Speaker 7: Sere right the Godfather Ray Longo every week here on

1166
00:54:10,120 --> 00:54:14,520
Speaker 7: the Anak and Florian Podcast. While you weren't with us

1167
00:54:14,520 --> 00:54:16,360
Speaker 7: for a minute there, Ken Flow, he sort of feels

1168
00:54:16,400 --> 00:54:18,760
Speaker 7: like for Uri pro Hoska, they're maybe going to find

1169
00:54:18,800 --> 00:54:22,440
Speaker 7: a stylistically more favorable matchup for the first title that that,

1170
00:54:22,560 --> 00:54:24,279
Speaker 7: you know, maybe give him a striker or something to

1171
00:54:24,600 --> 00:54:27,360
Speaker 7: see if you can highlight him. But we'll see what happens.

1172
00:54:27,400 --> 00:54:29,839
Speaker 7: But more coming up of course right now, as we

1173
00:54:29,840 --> 00:54:33,879
Speaker 7: welcome in. What a great journalist this guy is. He's

1174
00:54:33,880 --> 00:54:36,359
Speaker 7: got a good looking haircut today too, I can tell uh.

1175
00:54:36,760 --> 00:54:39,680
Speaker 7: MMA reporter and content editor for TSN Sports, the great

1176
00:54:39,680 --> 00:54:42,520
Speaker 7: Aaron Bronstetter is with us. Ay, be good to see you,

1177
00:54:42,600 --> 00:54:44,120
Speaker 7: my man with the mic on the shirt. Look at

1178
00:54:44,160 --> 00:54:44,799
Speaker 7: this fucking guy.

1179
00:54:44,880 --> 00:54:49,080
Speaker 9: Huh, professional stuff here, John, You know my guys, Ken Flow,

1180
00:54:49,440 --> 00:54:51,799
Speaker 9: John Anick. A couple of weeks ago, I was most

1181
00:54:51,800 --> 00:54:52,880
Speaker 9: to be hones with you, just to break down the

1182
00:54:52,880 --> 00:54:55,319
Speaker 9: fourth wall, right right, And I said, well, you wanted

1183
00:54:55,320 --> 00:54:56,600
Speaker 9: to come on, I couldn't do it because I had

1184
00:54:56,640 --> 00:54:58,000
Speaker 9: a family commitment. I said, why did I come on

1185
00:54:58,040 --> 00:54:59,719
Speaker 9: after two UFC two seventy five Because I knew it

1186
00:54:59,719 --> 00:55:01,440
Speaker 9: was gonna a good card. I didn't know it was

1187
00:55:01,440 --> 00:55:03,120
Speaker 9: gonna be this good of a card, though, but I'm

1188
00:55:03,120 --> 00:55:05,080
Speaker 9: happy that this is how it worked out.

1189
00:55:05,600 --> 00:55:05,799
Speaker 3: Well.

1190
00:55:05,800 --> 00:55:07,200
Speaker 5: No, and we appreciate your time.

1191
00:55:07,280 --> 00:55:09,839
Speaker 7: And it's a little tricky because when I was talking

1192
00:55:09,880 --> 00:55:11,279
Speaker 7: to you a couple of weeks ago, the Sunday is

1193
00:55:11,280 --> 00:55:13,360
Speaker 7: a little bit tricky, right, especially for parents, you know.

1194
00:55:13,480 --> 00:55:16,799
Speaker 7: So obviously we normally tape on Sundays, and we're gonna

1195
00:55:17,239 --> 00:55:19,640
Speaker 7: we're gonna interrupt your Sundays coming up probably once a month,

1196
00:55:19,640 --> 00:55:22,440
Speaker 7: because we like to get your insight. So you're watching

1197
00:55:22,440 --> 00:55:25,200
Speaker 7: this live event play out this to share a Prohaska fight,

1198
00:55:25,239 --> 00:55:27,839
Speaker 7: and I guess you're probably a good guy to try

1199
00:55:27,840 --> 00:55:30,520
Speaker 7: to put a legendary fight like this into proper context,

1200
00:55:30,600 --> 00:55:32,799
Speaker 7: even though it's probably not fair for me to ask

1201
00:55:32,840 --> 00:55:34,520
Speaker 7: you to do it. But when you're watching this main

1202
00:55:34,560 --> 00:55:37,680
Speaker 7: event play out, are you putting it on the pedestal

1203
00:55:37,719 --> 00:55:38,640
Speaker 7: that I'm now putting it on.

1204
00:55:39,400 --> 00:55:39,600
Speaker 3: Yeah?

1205
00:55:39,640 --> 00:55:42,200
Speaker 9: Absolutely, you can make the case it's the greatest title

1206
00:55:42,239 --> 00:55:45,759
Speaker 9: fight ever honestly you can. I thought, you know, for

1207
00:55:45,840 --> 00:55:48,160
Speaker 9: me it was John Jones and Gustulson because I was there,

1208
00:55:48,640 --> 00:55:50,640
Speaker 9: and then you look at Santo's and Chef Tenko. It's

1209
00:55:50,680 --> 00:55:52,480
Speaker 9: that same kind of vibe where you're like, wow, can

1210
00:55:52,520 --> 00:55:54,840
Speaker 9: this person do it? At the time, they're kind of

1211
00:55:54,840 --> 00:55:58,400
Speaker 9: an unknown, nobody really has gives them any chance of winning,

1212
00:55:58,600 --> 00:56:02,279
Speaker 9: and they're like wow, they're that adds something to the fight.

1213
00:56:02,640 --> 00:56:04,920
Speaker 9: But if you go back and watch Gustinson and Jones

1214
00:56:05,000 --> 00:56:08,320
Speaker 9: now it doesn't quite hold up in the same way

1215
00:56:08,520 --> 00:56:10,239
Speaker 9: as when you watched it live and you thought that

1216
00:56:10,280 --> 00:56:13,040
Speaker 9: this guy from Sweden who was on a little bit

1217
00:56:13,080 --> 00:56:16,840
Speaker 9: of a hot streak was going to potentially take out

1218
00:56:17,280 --> 00:56:18,560
Speaker 9: a guy who was in the running for being the

1219
00:56:18,560 --> 00:56:21,359
Speaker 9: greatest of all time, then right, I mean, look at

1220
00:56:21,360 --> 00:56:23,880
Speaker 9: the light heavyweight division that he ran through his murderer's

1221
00:56:23,960 --> 00:56:27,480
Speaker 9: row at the time, and I mean that adds to

1222
00:56:28,160 --> 00:56:31,839
Speaker 9: the fight. In this situation, This was a very even fight.

1223
00:56:31,880 --> 00:56:34,480
Speaker 9: In my opinion. I actually said it was a dogger

1224
00:56:34,520 --> 00:56:36,120
Speaker 9: pass if you were going to bet on it, because

1225
00:56:36,280 --> 00:56:40,000
Speaker 9: I think Glover is a phenomenal, phenomenal fighter. Obviously, that

1226
00:56:40,040 --> 00:56:41,600
Speaker 9: didn't end up being how it played out to me.

1227
00:56:41,680 --> 00:56:43,840
Speaker 9: It's like you can say you're on the right side,

1228
00:56:44,120 --> 00:56:45,800
Speaker 9: but if you lose, you're not on the right side.

1229
00:56:46,440 --> 00:56:48,759
Speaker 9: Glover did show that it was a very close fight,

1230
00:56:49,560 --> 00:56:53,080
Speaker 9: closer than the lines would indicate, but just watching it, it

1231
00:56:53,120 --> 00:56:55,479
Speaker 9: was a roller coaster. It was incredible the way it ended.

1232
00:56:55,520 --> 00:56:57,440
Speaker 9: I think that is really kind of the icing on

1233
00:56:57,480 --> 00:57:00,759
Speaker 9: the cake of an incredible fight. Hap out a guy

1234
00:57:01,239 --> 00:57:03,799
Speaker 9: as good as Glover to share on the ground and

1235
00:57:03,880 --> 00:57:04,920
Speaker 9: it's just unbelievable.

1236
00:57:06,280 --> 00:57:09,080
Speaker 5: Aaron couldn't agree more. Do you think the UFC is

1237
00:57:09,120 --> 00:57:10,879
Speaker 5: going to head in that direction as far as like

1238
00:57:11,000 --> 00:57:12,839
Speaker 5: putting on a rematch again, or do you think they're

1239
00:57:12,840 --> 00:57:14,280
Speaker 5: gonna do something completely different.

1240
00:57:15,320 --> 00:57:17,080
Speaker 9: The one thing I was really bummed about is when

1241
00:57:17,080 --> 00:57:20,600
Speaker 9: Glover got interviewed afterwards, he should have just said one

1242
00:57:20,680 --> 00:57:24,160
Speaker 9: last fight for me, MSG, let's run it back. I

1243
00:57:24,560 --> 00:57:27,040
Speaker 9: just think that that would have really that would have

1244
00:57:27,080 --> 00:57:28,960
Speaker 9: been the best way for him to go out. I'm

1245
00:57:28,960 --> 00:57:30,919
Speaker 9: sure he was at the time, of course, shocked about

1246
00:57:30,960 --> 00:57:33,640
Speaker 9: what happened, probably exhausted because he's forty two. I'm forty

1247
00:57:33,680 --> 00:57:36,160
Speaker 9: watching at home and I'm exhausted, So I think that

1248
00:57:36,280 --> 00:57:37,520
Speaker 9: and I'm not in a five round fight with a

1249
00:57:37,560 --> 00:57:40,120
Speaker 9: guy who's an absolute maniac. So I think that you

1250
00:57:40,520 --> 00:57:43,240
Speaker 9: look at that as a possibility, where Glover says, you

1251
00:57:43,280 --> 00:57:44,720
Speaker 9: know what, if I win, I hang him up. If

1252
00:57:44,720 --> 00:57:46,320
Speaker 9: I lose, I hang him up. But give me one

1253
00:57:46,320 --> 00:57:48,120
Speaker 9: more shot, one more ticket. That can kind of like

1254
00:57:48,120 --> 00:57:50,640
Speaker 9: when DC lost this DPA in their rematch. Just give

1255
00:57:50,640 --> 00:57:52,120
Speaker 9: me one last shot. It's gonna be my last fight

1256
00:57:52,120 --> 00:57:55,600
Speaker 9: either way. MSG Glover has expressed interest in fighting on

1257
00:57:55,600 --> 00:57:58,560
Speaker 9: that card. That's what I would do, because listen, I

1258
00:57:58,600 --> 00:58:01,320
Speaker 9: think Mago mad Anklive is a great prospect. Anthony Smith

1259
00:58:01,320 --> 00:58:03,880
Speaker 9: has always been a lot of fun to watch. Of Course,

1260
00:58:03,920 --> 00:58:06,400
Speaker 9: Jan Wohovitch, the former TAMP, just had a good performance,

1261
00:58:06,400 --> 00:58:08,560
Speaker 9: but of course it's kind of marred moneyed a little

1262
00:58:08,560 --> 00:58:10,640
Speaker 9: bit by the injury to Rocket, right. I think you

1263
00:58:10,720 --> 00:58:12,080
Speaker 9: got to I think you got to run it back,

1264
00:58:12,120 --> 00:58:13,760
Speaker 9: and I think it would also be great to run

1265
00:58:13,800 --> 00:58:15,720
Speaker 9: back Sev Tanko and Santos, But it looks like Sando's

1266
00:58:15,760 --> 00:58:16,720
Speaker 9: gonna be out for a little while.

1267
00:58:17,120 --> 00:58:19,360
Speaker 5: Yeah, Aaron, I want to actually talk about that fight

1268
00:58:19,440 --> 00:58:22,600
Speaker 5: as well, And you know John and I were discussing it.

1269
00:58:23,280 --> 00:58:25,560
Speaker 5: I don't think and I know you love to talk

1270
00:58:25,560 --> 00:58:28,920
Speaker 5: about rules, but I don't think they're scoring uh, you know,

1271
00:58:29,120 --> 00:58:33,200
Speaker 5: superior grappling positions the way they should and in particular submissions.

1272
00:58:33,400 --> 00:58:36,760
Speaker 5: You know, these are positions that could potentially end the fight.

1273
00:58:37,040 --> 00:58:39,600
Speaker 5: Why are they any different than a punch that could

1274
00:58:39,600 --> 00:58:41,600
Speaker 5: potentially end the fight? If I have a rear naked

1275
00:58:41,640 --> 00:58:44,640
Speaker 5: choke and you are making an effort to remove your

1276
00:58:44,680 --> 00:58:47,920
Speaker 5: hands because I am close to finishing the fight possission,

1277
00:58:48,800 --> 00:58:52,000
Speaker 5: Why is that different than say a shot that you

1278
00:58:52,000 --> 00:58:54,680
Speaker 5: know buckles you or you know trips you up. What

1279
00:58:54,880 --> 00:58:57,720
Speaker 5: why isn't any different and why are we scoring it differently?

1280
00:58:58,680 --> 00:58:58,840
Speaker 3: You know?

1281
00:58:58,880 --> 00:59:00,640
Speaker 9: I agree with you on that, Kenny, because I think

1282
00:59:00,800 --> 00:59:04,000
Speaker 9: the issue is that the language of the criteria in

1283
00:59:04,040 --> 00:59:07,040
Speaker 9: terms of effective gappling is very very great. I don't

1284
00:59:07,080 --> 00:59:10,240
Speaker 9: think that there's a very good definition of what counts

1285
00:59:10,360 --> 00:59:12,080
Speaker 9: in the eyes of the judges. For striking. It's easy.

1286
00:59:12,120 --> 00:59:14,600
Speaker 9: You hit somebody, they get hit. It shows damage. With

1287
00:59:15,320 --> 00:59:17,560
Speaker 9: a body triangle, for example, does that score in the

1288
00:59:17,560 --> 00:59:19,400
Speaker 9: eyes of the judges because it should. You're stuck in

1289
00:59:19,440 --> 00:59:21,720
Speaker 9: the wind out of somebody and making it very difficult

1290
00:59:21,720 --> 00:59:23,280
Speaker 9: for them to breathe while you're trying to at the

1291
00:59:23,320 --> 00:59:25,840
Speaker 9: same time simultaneously snatch their neck. So they have even

1292
00:59:25,840 --> 00:59:28,480
Speaker 9: more trouble breathing right, right, So does that score in

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00:59:28,480 --> 00:59:29,919
Speaker 9: the eyes of the criteria. And I think that that

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00:59:30,160 --> 00:59:32,600
Speaker 9: muddy water is something that they really need to sort out,

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00:59:32,680 --> 00:59:35,200
Speaker 9: because I think that the scoring criteria is great, and

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00:59:35,200 --> 00:59:37,800
Speaker 9: I think that the way that it's written is very simplistic,

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00:59:37,840 --> 00:59:39,880
Speaker 9: which is I think it's for the better that way,

1298
00:59:39,880 --> 00:59:42,400
Speaker 9: but I do think that the effective grappling needs a

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00:59:42,400 --> 00:59:45,520
Speaker 9: little bit more definition to it, and there should be

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00:59:45,560 --> 00:59:46,040
Speaker 9: a little.

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00:59:45,840 --> 00:59:49,760
Speaker 7: Bit more nuance. Why do you think a simplistic tone

1302
00:59:49,800 --> 00:59:51,720
Speaker 7: to the scoring criteria is the way it should be.

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00:59:51,760 --> 00:59:53,600
Speaker 5: I just am curious to follow up on what you

1304
00:59:53,640 --> 00:59:54,000
Speaker 5: just said.

1305
00:59:54,760 --> 00:59:56,200
Speaker 9: I think it's just easier to follow along. And I

1306
00:59:56,240 --> 00:59:58,800
Speaker 9: think if you're a judge, there's less for you to

1307
00:59:58,800 --> 01:00:01,280
Speaker 9: have to think about. And I know that sounds bad,

1308
01:00:01,640 --> 01:00:04,040
Speaker 9: but I think for the judges that are sitting cage side,

1309
01:00:04,240 --> 01:00:06,680
Speaker 9: if they can have something and view something through the

1310
01:00:06,760 --> 01:00:09,120
Speaker 9: lens of the criteria that's written in the simple fashion,

1311
01:00:09,360 --> 01:00:10,840
Speaker 9: it makes it easier for them to score fights. And

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01:00:10,840 --> 01:00:12,800
Speaker 9: you don't see a whole lot of Look again, through

1313
01:00:12,800 --> 01:00:14,200
Speaker 9: the lens of the criteria, you don't see a lot

1314
01:00:14,240 --> 01:00:16,960
Speaker 9: of really bad scorecards. This past weekend, I saw a

1315
01:00:16,960 --> 01:00:19,520
Speaker 9: couple and I usually I'm not quick to call them out,

1316
01:00:19,640 --> 01:00:21,240
Speaker 9: but there were a couple of scorecards that I actually

1317
01:00:21,320 --> 01:00:24,120
Speaker 9: vehemently disagreed with and thought that you almost couldn't make

1318
01:00:24,160 --> 01:00:24,800
Speaker 9: a case for them.

1319
01:00:25,320 --> 01:00:28,880
Speaker 7: Yeah, it was their one scorecard in particular that you

1320
01:00:28,920 --> 01:00:31,200
Speaker 7: thought was the worst singular scorecard of the night.

1321
01:00:32,360 --> 01:00:35,880
Speaker 9: Yeah, the first round of kool Abou versus CHOI. One

1322
01:00:35,920 --> 01:00:37,760
Speaker 9: of the judges scored that for toy. I don't understand

1323
01:00:37,760 --> 01:00:39,400
Speaker 9: how I like. I don't understand if you were to

1324
01:00:39,440 --> 01:00:41,480
Speaker 9: watch that back one hundred times I did that, That

1325
01:00:41,640 --> 01:00:43,280
Speaker 9: one round to me rub me the wrong way.

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Speaker 7: Well, and my issue too, right in a round like that,

1327
01:00:46,320 --> 01:00:49,360
Speaker 7: is that my daughters are downstairs. They're ten and nine.

1328
01:00:49,440 --> 01:00:51,320
Speaker 7: And if I said, girls, I just need you to

1329
01:00:51,360 --> 01:00:53,440
Speaker 7: watch these five minutes for me and just tell me

1330
01:00:53,440 --> 01:00:55,920
Speaker 7: who wins, you don't need to know what the rules are.

1331
01:00:55,960 --> 01:00:58,680
Speaker 7: And I don't think that they would have had anything

1332
01:00:58,720 --> 01:01:01,680
Speaker 7: but cool abou. But yeah, yeah, it's interesting. I mean,

1333
01:01:01,720 --> 01:01:04,360
Speaker 7: I largely I agree on the simple nature. I just

1334
01:01:04,400 --> 01:01:06,800
Speaker 7: feel like it just is poorly written.

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01:01:07,080 --> 01:01:08,800
Speaker 9: But that's anything you bring up A great point there,

1336
01:01:08,800 --> 01:01:10,800
Speaker 9: though I'm sort of cut you off. I think that's

1337
01:01:10,840 --> 01:01:12,920
Speaker 9: one of the issues with people getting upset with the

1338
01:01:13,000 --> 01:01:15,439
Speaker 9: judges is that that's the way they view a fight.

1339
01:01:15,760 --> 01:01:18,360
Speaker 9: And I actually have an example. It was the Contender

1340
01:01:18,480 --> 01:01:25,160
Speaker 9: series Carlos Candelario against Victor Altimarino, and I watched it

1341
01:01:25,280 --> 01:01:27,000
Speaker 9: and I said, the judges got that one right. It

1342
01:01:27,040 --> 01:01:29,120
Speaker 9: was a controversial decision. People thought that Candelaria should have

1343
01:01:29,120 --> 01:01:31,200
Speaker 9: won because he had top control for some time, but

1344
01:01:31,360 --> 01:01:35,080
Speaker 9: from bottom he was getting pieced up. Alti Marino was

1345
01:01:35,640 --> 01:01:37,920
Speaker 9: landing shots from bottom. And I said, I think the

1346
01:01:37,960 --> 01:01:42,800
Speaker 9: judges got that right. And Tyson Chartier, who manages Carlos Candelario, said,

1347
01:01:43,160 --> 01:01:44,880
Speaker 9: I think that if I showed my son that fight

1348
01:01:45,720 --> 01:01:47,760
Speaker 9: that he would if you showed a sort of a kid,

1349
01:01:47,760 --> 01:01:49,600
Speaker 9: I think, I said, if you showed a kid that fight,

1350
01:01:49,840 --> 01:01:51,360
Speaker 9: they would know who won the round. And I said,

1351
01:01:51,440 --> 01:01:53,400
Speaker 9: you know what, Tyson, I agree with you. I think

1352
01:01:53,440 --> 01:01:55,360
Speaker 9: that if you showed someone that round, they would score

1353
01:01:55,360 --> 01:01:57,480
Speaker 9: it for Candelario. But the problem is if you're not

1354
01:01:57,520 --> 01:02:00,080
Speaker 9: looking at it through the lens of the criteria that

1355
01:02:00,400 --> 01:02:02,120
Speaker 9: you and I think a lot of fans do that.

1356
01:02:02,160 --> 01:02:04,080
Speaker 9: They look at it and they say, how can somebody

1357
01:02:04,080 --> 01:02:06,960
Speaker 9: who has someone's back like Tylo Santos did for three

1358
01:02:07,000 --> 01:02:09,640
Speaker 9: and a half minutes or whatever it is, lose around

1359
01:02:09,680 --> 01:02:12,280
Speaker 9: on someone's scorecard and it's valid, right.

1360
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Speaker 7: Right, Yeah, And again I keep coming back to, like

1361
01:02:15,080 --> 01:02:18,080
Speaker 7: ken flow in DC, just feel like the effective grappling

1362
01:02:18,240 --> 01:02:21,320
Speaker 7: is not at all put in the proper context, either

1363
01:02:21,360 --> 01:02:24,200
Speaker 7: by the criteria or by the judges. And you know,

1364
01:02:24,280 --> 01:02:26,560
Speaker 7: I even talked to a high profile judge before you

1365
01:02:26,640 --> 01:02:29,040
Speaker 7: came on at the airport, and uh, you know, he

1366
01:02:29,160 --> 01:02:31,640
Speaker 7: was just saying, effective striking for our base of judges

1367
01:02:31,760 --> 01:02:33,840
Speaker 7: is just much easier to see and score, you know,

1368
01:02:34,440 --> 01:02:36,280
Speaker 7: And it kind of is what it is, a lot

1369
01:02:36,280 --> 01:02:38,800
Speaker 7: of things I want to get to with you, you

1370
01:02:38,840 --> 01:02:40,760
Speaker 7: know now that you want to Young Jit Check's MMA

1371
01:02:40,920 --> 01:02:44,400
Speaker 7: legacy is complete, we're all maybe jumping to put it

1372
01:02:44,440 --> 01:02:46,840
Speaker 7: into context. And it's sort of interesting that ros nama

1373
01:02:46,960 --> 01:02:50,680
Speaker 7: Unis can sit here and have lay claim to having

1374
01:02:50,680 --> 01:02:53,040
Speaker 7: two head to head wins over Yohanna and two head

1375
01:02:53,040 --> 01:02:55,080
Speaker 7: to head wins over Jeangwae Lee, who, in my opinion,

1376
01:02:55,120 --> 01:02:57,360
Speaker 7: is probably going to retire as the greatest strawweight and

1377
01:02:57,440 --> 01:03:01,160
Speaker 7: maybe by a significant margin. Perhaps that's a recency bias,

1378
01:03:01,200 --> 01:03:04,080
Speaker 7: but Yo Wanna is just such a unique champion and

1379
01:03:04,800 --> 01:03:08,000
Speaker 7: the nature of her title reign for me is going

1380
01:03:08,080 --> 01:03:10,200
Speaker 7: to be sort of the standard at one hundred and

1381
01:03:10,200 --> 01:03:12,560
Speaker 7: fifteen pounds. What were your thoughts on on Joan way

1382
01:03:12,600 --> 01:03:15,400
Speaker 7: Lee versus Yohanna and ultimately Yon Jai Chick's legacy as

1383
01:03:15,400 --> 01:03:16,080
Speaker 7: she steps away.

1384
01:03:17,120 --> 01:03:19,920
Speaker 9: Yeah, I think that Jong looked like she had she

1385
01:03:20,000 --> 01:03:21,640
Speaker 9: was kind of a step ahead of Yohanna in that fight.

1386
01:03:21,760 --> 01:03:23,640
Speaker 9: Yon looked pretty good. Actually, your timing was pretty good

1387
01:03:23,680 --> 01:03:25,840
Speaker 9: early on in that fight. But then Jong just started

1388
01:03:25,840 --> 01:03:28,800
Speaker 9: to pull away, And I think that she's stepping away

1389
01:03:28,960 --> 01:03:31,040
Speaker 9: really honestly at the right time. And I think you

1390
01:03:31,120 --> 01:03:32,600
Speaker 9: the two ken flow like. I think you look at

1391
01:03:32,640 --> 01:03:36,200
Speaker 9: it and you get to a point where for Joanna,

1392
01:03:36,360 --> 01:03:38,680
Speaker 9: she was saying all week, I'm not doing this for money.

1393
01:03:38,720 --> 01:03:42,280
Speaker 9: I'm not doing this for legacy anymore. I think my

1394
01:03:42,320 --> 01:03:44,200
Speaker 9: legacy is kind of set. I'm doing this because I

1395
01:03:44,240 --> 01:03:46,760
Speaker 9: want to get another shot at the championship. That loss

1396
01:03:46,800 --> 01:03:49,800
Speaker 9: sets her back three four fights away from getting back

1397
01:03:49,800 --> 01:03:51,800
Speaker 9: into the title picture. So does she want to toil

1398
01:03:51,840 --> 01:03:53,840
Speaker 9: away and have to face the likes of like a

1399
01:03:53,880 --> 01:03:59,919
Speaker 9: Marina Hadriguez Rose again? Androge again? I mean well Androge yeah,

1400
01:04:00,000 --> 01:04:03,400
Speaker 9: and rage again. I just I think that she stepped

1401
01:04:03,400 --> 01:04:08,000
Speaker 9: away at a time where you leave where you know,

1402
01:04:08,000 --> 01:04:10,760
Speaker 9: when you when your legacy is still good, and you

1403
01:04:10,800 --> 01:04:13,160
Speaker 9: don't leave, you can leave at the top, and very

1404
01:04:13,200 --> 01:04:15,560
Speaker 9: few people leave at the top. A lot more leave

1405
01:04:15,600 --> 01:04:17,240
Speaker 9: at the bottom. And that's what the problem is, I

1406
01:04:17,240 --> 01:04:18,920
Speaker 9: think with the sports sometimes, and she did not leave

1407
01:04:18,960 --> 01:04:21,600
Speaker 9: at the bottom. Her legacy is intact after that loss.

1408
01:04:21,600 --> 01:04:23,720
Speaker 9: I don't think it affects it whatsoever. To be honest,

1409
01:04:23,960 --> 01:04:26,160
Speaker 9: she gave she came back, gave it one good try

1410
01:04:26,480 --> 01:04:27,640
Speaker 9: and wasn't able to get it done.

1411
01:04:27,640 --> 01:04:30,600
Speaker 7: And that happens, right, Yeah, No, I mean Kenny was

1412
01:04:30,640 --> 01:04:33,840
Speaker 7: the same way. If there's not a championship trajectory, he's

1413
01:04:33,880 --> 01:04:37,520
Speaker 7: not sticking around. And she obviously made a lot of money.

1414
01:04:38,480 --> 01:04:41,200
Speaker 7: So as we spin it forward for jhoanwe Lee against

1415
01:04:41,240 --> 01:04:44,400
Speaker 7: Carla Asparza, you know, and I'm trying to be as

1416
01:04:44,440 --> 01:04:47,200
Speaker 7: respectful as possible, but I'm also trying to be analytical.

1417
01:04:47,440 --> 01:04:50,520
Speaker 7: How is jeongue Lee not minus three hundred against Carlo?

1418
01:04:50,880 --> 01:04:52,400
Speaker 9: I was going to say that should be the line

1419
01:04:52,400 --> 01:04:54,680
Speaker 9: minus three hundred. I was going to say that verbatim.

1420
01:04:55,080 --> 01:04:57,640
Speaker 7: I mean, and I think it'll get better up you know,

1421
01:04:58,680 --> 01:05:00,960
Speaker 7: our producer Cody Meer was talking about a dream fight

1422
01:05:01,000 --> 01:05:03,400
Speaker 7: with Valentina, Chefchenko and Jeongway Lee, and I'm not sure

1423
01:05:03,440 --> 01:05:06,640
Speaker 7: I would ever have been more excited for a flywaight

1424
01:05:06,920 --> 01:05:09,280
Speaker 7: title defense for Valentine. I know Tyler Santos is going

1425
01:05:09,320 --> 01:05:11,760
Speaker 7: to be heard from, but uh, that's a pretty interesting fight.

1426
01:05:11,800 --> 01:05:13,920
Speaker 5: Would would you think John Way Lee and Valentina?

1427
01:05:15,080 --> 01:05:16,840
Speaker 9: I would say so. But the problem is, I mean

1428
01:05:17,080 --> 01:05:20,000
Speaker 9: there's so many Straway contenders right now, well right, I mean,

1429
01:05:20,080 --> 01:05:22,000
Speaker 9: if yeah, if Jeong Villy's not she's not a champion

1430
01:05:22,080 --> 01:05:23,320
Speaker 9: right now, right, so she could move up to one

1431
01:05:23,360 --> 01:05:26,240
Speaker 9: twenty five challenge, right right. So I think that would

1432
01:05:26,240 --> 01:05:27,560
Speaker 9: be an awesome fight, and I know that it's been

1433
01:05:27,600 --> 01:05:30,000
Speaker 9: discussed in the past. But at the same time, Jean

1434
01:05:30,120 --> 01:05:32,440
Speaker 9: Valley's gonna get a title shot as Strawway next, right,

1435
01:05:32,520 --> 01:05:34,080
Speaker 9: So I think we have to see kind of how

1436
01:05:34,080 --> 01:05:35,840
Speaker 9: that plays out. And the thing with Karla is I

1437
01:05:35,920 --> 01:05:37,640
Speaker 9: think that if you took any of those challenges at

1438
01:05:37,680 --> 01:05:40,600
Speaker 9: the top right now, even I would say up until

1439
01:05:40,640 --> 01:05:43,560
Speaker 9: Mackenzie Dern, she's probably the underdog in all of those fights.

1440
01:05:43,640 --> 01:05:47,439
Speaker 7: Yeah, right, No, I think that's fair. So Aaron Brown

1441
01:05:47,520 --> 01:05:50,240
Speaker 7: Setter from TSN Sports, the Fine Reporter joining us here

1442
01:05:50,240 --> 01:05:52,440
Speaker 7: on the Anac Imploring podcast. So as far as the

1443
01:05:52,480 --> 01:05:55,040
Speaker 7: scoring for Valentina, Chef Chanko and Tyler Santos, you know,

1444
01:05:55,280 --> 01:05:57,280
Speaker 7: Sean she it obviously is my go to and you're

1445
01:05:57,360 --> 01:06:00,280
Speaker 7: right there, man, I know you're invested. I know, even

1446
01:06:00,320 --> 01:06:03,400
Speaker 7: more so than me sort of diving into the criteria

1447
01:06:03,560 --> 01:06:07,840
Speaker 7: and the education and everything else. So most of my contemporaries,

1448
01:06:07,960 --> 01:06:10,600
Speaker 7: Ken flow Feld, all these guys texting me, you know,

1449
01:06:10,720 --> 01:06:14,600
Speaker 7: three nil Santos after three? Where was your card after three?

1450
01:06:16,120 --> 01:06:18,200
Speaker 9: I had a two to one for Valentino chev Chanko

1451
01:06:18,240 --> 01:06:19,040
Speaker 9: after three rounds.

1452
01:06:19,280 --> 01:06:21,200
Speaker 7: Can you explain to us which route you had for

1453
01:06:21,280 --> 01:06:24,040
Speaker 7: Chepchenko up the first three and why I.

1454
01:06:23,960 --> 01:06:26,720
Speaker 9: Think I had one and two for Chef Chenko if

1455
01:06:26,720 --> 01:06:29,720
Speaker 9: I remember correctly. And the reason why is because Santo's

1456
01:06:29,840 --> 01:06:31,360
Speaker 9: And again this is the thing that Kenny has the

1457
01:06:31,360 --> 01:06:33,840
Speaker 9: big problem with. Santos is controlling, but she's not doing

1458
01:06:33,840 --> 01:06:36,160
Speaker 9: any damage. You know, she's going for chokes, she doesn't

1459
01:06:36,160 --> 01:06:38,160
Speaker 9: get it under the chin. So again in the eyes

1460
01:06:38,200 --> 01:06:41,080
Speaker 9: of the criteria, that doesn't really score, whereas Valentina is

1461
01:06:41,080 --> 01:06:44,600
Speaker 9: throwing these hammer fists backwards and actually hitting, actually connecting right.

1462
01:06:45,080 --> 01:06:47,840
Speaker 9: So the thing is, when I'm scoring these fights live,

1463
01:06:48,320 --> 01:06:49,720
Speaker 9: there's a time where I sit back and if you

1464
01:06:49,760 --> 01:06:51,720
Speaker 9: go on my Twitter, I didn't really score one and

1465
01:06:51,760 --> 01:06:55,680
Speaker 9: two publicly because and I can explain why, you and

1466
01:06:55,760 --> 01:06:58,920
Speaker 9: the commentary team do a phenomenal job of capturing the

1467
01:06:58,960 --> 01:07:03,040
Speaker 9: emotion of the fan, the watching at home and thinking. Santos,

1468
01:07:03,080 --> 01:07:06,360
Speaker 9: who's a complete unknown in the eyes of almost anybody

1469
01:07:06,400 --> 01:07:08,760
Speaker 9: who follows MMA in that fight. You might have watched

1470
01:07:08,760 --> 01:07:10,480
Speaker 9: her fight, you probably don't remember a lot of her

1471
01:07:10,520 --> 01:07:12,120
Speaker 9: fights going into that one, and if you're a casual fan,

1472
01:07:12,160 --> 01:07:15,920
Speaker 9: you have no clue she is. And she is throwing

1473
01:07:16,000 --> 01:07:19,040
Speaker 9: Valentina Chevchenko around, She's getting great positions on her. So

1474
01:07:19,120 --> 01:07:22,120
Speaker 9: I'm watching and you guys are really capturing those moments,

1475
01:07:22,480 --> 01:07:24,400
Speaker 9: and that's the way you should do it. And you know,

1476
01:07:24,520 --> 01:07:26,960
Speaker 9: people can say, well, they got to bring up the criteria.

1477
01:07:27,040 --> 01:07:29,720
Speaker 9: You guys are watching this firsthand and feeling the same

1478
01:07:29,760 --> 01:07:31,760
Speaker 9: emotions as those who are also watching a firsthand where

1479
01:07:31,760 --> 01:07:34,240
Speaker 9: it's like this person could pull up a monumental upset

1480
01:07:34,240 --> 01:07:37,120
Speaker 9: against perhaps the pound for pound best female fighter in

1481
01:07:37,120 --> 01:07:39,680
Speaker 9: the sport right now. So I don't blame you for that,

1482
01:07:40,280 --> 01:07:43,040
Speaker 9: but I think that people that want to score it

1483
01:07:43,040 --> 01:07:45,400
Speaker 9: in real time, you kind of need to go back

1484
01:07:45,640 --> 01:07:48,600
Speaker 9: rewatch it, shut the sound off, or there are some

1485
01:07:48,640 --> 01:07:51,880
Speaker 9: other people that like to watch it with foreign commentary

1486
01:07:51,880 --> 01:07:53,440
Speaker 9: that they don't understand that they can hear the impact

1487
01:07:53,480 --> 01:07:56,400
Speaker 9: of shots, which I guess, but go back and kind

1488
01:07:56,400 --> 01:07:58,360
Speaker 9: of watch it through the eyes of the criteria where

1489
01:07:58,440 --> 01:08:00,520
Speaker 9: damage is king, and I think that Valente was doing

1490
01:08:00,560 --> 01:08:03,720
Speaker 9: more damage in those first and second rounds. So a

1491
01:08:03,720 --> 01:08:05,520
Speaker 9: lot of people want crazy about the forty nine to

1492
01:08:05,600 --> 01:08:07,920
Speaker 9: forty six scorecard for Chef Tanko. I actually probably had

1493
01:08:07,960 --> 01:08:09,360
Speaker 9: it the same. I would have to go back and

1494
01:08:09,400 --> 01:08:12,440
Speaker 9: watch it to really give a definitive scorecard, but that's

1495
01:08:12,520 --> 01:08:13,840
Speaker 9: kind of how I felt watching it. Was like, I've

1496
01:08:13,880 --> 01:08:16,120
Speaker 9: got to step away from the commentary. I've got to

1497
01:08:16,160 --> 01:08:17,960
Speaker 9: just wash this through the eyes of the criteria if

1498
01:08:17,960 --> 01:08:19,600
Speaker 9: I want to be objective here, and that's kind of

1499
01:08:19,640 --> 01:08:21,280
Speaker 9: what I have to do. I did it about four

1500
01:08:21,280 --> 01:08:23,080
Speaker 9: minutes into the first round. That's where I kind of

1501
01:08:23,120 --> 01:08:25,160
Speaker 9: turned it on, like okay, let's step away.

1502
01:08:25,600 --> 01:08:27,320
Speaker 7: No, And that's a great answer. And Kenny, I think

1503
01:08:27,320 --> 01:08:29,599
Speaker 7: I'm a little bit stubborn when it comes to crediting

1504
01:08:29,640 --> 01:08:31,880
Speaker 7: a fighter who is striking off of their back, Like

1505
01:08:32,040 --> 01:08:35,680
Speaker 7: I'm sort of compelled after this podcast to get my

1506
01:08:35,880 --> 01:08:39,519
Speaker 7: strongest child right, and I'm going to put them underneath

1507
01:08:39,560 --> 01:08:42,040
Speaker 7: me and they can be inside my open guard, and

1508
01:08:42,080 --> 01:08:44,479
Speaker 7: I'm going to have them punch me in the face

1509
01:08:45,200 --> 01:08:48,120
Speaker 7: fifteen times as hard as they can off of their back,

1510
01:08:48,400 --> 01:08:50,559
Speaker 7: and I'm going to see the extent to which it hurts.

1511
01:08:50,600 --> 01:08:52,479
Speaker 7: You know, I guess for me, ab like, I just

1512
01:08:52,600 --> 01:08:56,439
Speaker 7: can't wrap my head around like giving Valentina even a

1513
01:08:56,479 --> 01:08:59,200
Speaker 7: fucking modicum of credit for those strikes. But I should

1514
01:08:59,200 --> 01:09:02,360
Speaker 7: probably go back and watch, you know, I don't know.

1515
01:09:02,400 --> 01:09:04,760
Speaker 7: I mean, we see situations where you know, fighters are

1516
01:09:05,200 --> 01:09:07,479
Speaker 7: you know, I thought Tyler Santos was had a position

1517
01:09:07,560 --> 01:09:09,519
Speaker 7: taken away prematurely in this fight.

1518
01:09:10,200 --> 01:09:12,320
Speaker 9: And you know, it's a close, close fight, because I

1519
01:09:12,320 --> 01:09:14,559
Speaker 9: don't think there's a real problem with scoring rounds one

1520
01:09:14,600 --> 01:09:17,840
Speaker 9: or two four Santos, right, I'm not saying that if

1521
01:09:17,880 --> 01:09:21,280
Speaker 9: you scored that fight for Santos, I understand how you

1522
01:09:21,280 --> 01:09:22,680
Speaker 9: could do that, and I understand how you can see

1523
01:09:22,720 --> 01:09:24,559
Speaker 9: it that way, because again, the effective grappling, I think

1524
01:09:24,600 --> 01:09:27,240
Speaker 9: again is the That's the thing. There's all just a

1525
01:09:27,280 --> 01:09:29,080
Speaker 9: lot of gray areas So if you're watching it as

1526
01:09:29,080 --> 01:09:31,679
Speaker 9: a judge and you have a different definition of what

1527
01:09:32,280 --> 01:09:35,479
Speaker 9: constitutes effective grappling, is another judge, you could score three

1528
01:09:35,560 --> 01:09:38,439
Speaker 9: to two for Santos. And really the big issue with

1529
01:09:38,439 --> 01:09:41,840
Speaker 9: that fight is the clash of heads, right, because that

1530
01:09:41,960 --> 01:09:43,920
Speaker 9: doctor after the fourth round, and I spoke to some

1531
01:09:43,920 --> 01:09:46,960
Speaker 9: people that were on location at you know, some officials

1532
01:09:47,000 --> 01:09:49,200
Speaker 9: that were there, and they said that they did look

1533
01:09:49,200 --> 01:09:51,439
Speaker 9: at the replay and they saw that it was from

1534
01:09:51,760 --> 01:09:54,559
Speaker 9: an accidental classic heads. Had the doctor after the fourth

1535
01:09:54,600 --> 01:09:57,639
Speaker 9: round say you can't continue, the referee could have come back,

1536
01:09:57,840 --> 01:10:01,280
Speaker 9: Jason Hurtzel could have said we're gonna do We're gonna

1537
01:10:01,280 --> 01:10:04,639
Speaker 9: go to a technical decision because the injury so to speak,

1538
01:10:04,680 --> 01:10:07,120
Speaker 9: that was caused that stopped the fight at that time

1539
01:10:07,520 --> 01:10:09,960
Speaker 9: was caused by an accidental headbutt. So if that would

1540
01:10:09,960 --> 01:10:12,840
Speaker 9: have happened, it would have been a split draw after

1541
01:10:12,880 --> 01:10:15,280
Speaker 9: the fourth round, right, And now then everybody's gonna be

1542
01:10:15,320 --> 01:10:17,960
Speaker 9: talking rematch, rematch, rematch, But right now it feels like

1543
01:10:18,240 --> 01:10:19,839
Speaker 9: not a whole lot of buzz for the rematch.

1544
01:10:20,880 --> 01:10:24,799
Speaker 7: So if Valentina had been found to have committed a foul,

1545
01:10:24,920 --> 01:10:27,559
Speaker 7: only then can you take away one or two points?

1546
01:10:27,640 --> 01:10:28,280
Speaker 5: Is that correct.

1547
01:10:28,800 --> 01:10:31,200
Speaker 9: Yes, yeah, it would have to be intentional in order

1548
01:10:31,240 --> 01:10:33,080
Speaker 9: to take away a point. No points would have been deducted,

1549
01:10:33,080 --> 01:10:34,360
Speaker 9: and it would have been a split draw, which is

1550
01:10:34,760 --> 01:10:35,400
Speaker 9: very interesting.

1551
01:10:36,160 --> 01:10:36,360
Speaker 5: Right.

1552
01:10:36,680 --> 01:10:38,640
Speaker 7: So, all right, a couple other things I want to

1553
01:10:38,680 --> 01:10:41,040
Speaker 7: get to before we get you on out of here.

1554
01:10:41,120 --> 01:10:43,519
Speaker 7: Have you heard anything about a return to Canada? You know,

1555
01:10:43,560 --> 01:10:46,080
Speaker 7: every time I hear a rumbling, and candidly, my bosses

1556
01:10:46,080 --> 01:10:48,479
Speaker 7: are pretty tight lift every time I hear a rumbling,

1557
01:10:48,520 --> 01:10:50,439
Speaker 7: it doesn't happen. Do you think that we're going to

1558
01:10:50,520 --> 01:10:52,759
Speaker 7: get back to Canada here at some point in twenty

1559
01:10:52,800 --> 01:10:53,439
Speaker 7: twenty two or what?

1560
01:10:54,240 --> 01:10:54,439
Speaker 3: Yeah?

1561
01:10:54,439 --> 01:10:55,840
Speaker 9: Speaking of your bosses, I spoke to one of them

1562
01:10:55,880 --> 01:10:57,920
Speaker 9: last week, Dana White, and I asked them this very

1563
01:10:58,000 --> 01:11:00,639
Speaker 9: question because there were rumors about the UFC coming back

1564
01:11:00,640 --> 01:11:03,800
Speaker 9: to Canada, rumors that he himself had said publicly as well.

1565
01:11:04,520 --> 01:11:06,960
Speaker 9: So this is the big issue, and this is why

1566
01:11:06,960 --> 01:11:08,360
Speaker 9: I don't think that the UFC is coming back to

1567
01:11:08,400 --> 01:11:10,920
Speaker 9: Canada for the foreseeable future until there's a certain law

1568
01:11:11,000 --> 01:11:14,880
Speaker 9: has changed. Right now, athletes cannot get into Canada unless

1569
01:11:14,880 --> 01:11:18,640
Speaker 9: they are fully vaccinated, fully vaccinated, and that would eliminate

1570
01:11:18,920 --> 01:11:21,599
Speaker 9: I think a chunk of the UFC roster in terms

1571
01:11:21,640 --> 01:11:24,240
Speaker 9: of what they can do for a card in Canada.

1572
01:11:24,640 --> 01:11:27,559
Speaker 9: And you know how they're operating right now at the

1573
01:11:27,560 --> 01:11:30,479
Speaker 9: top of the UFC. They don't like these restrictions that

1574
01:11:31,120 --> 01:11:34,800
Speaker 9: are telling them how to run their business. If the

1575
01:11:34,840 --> 01:11:38,520
Speaker 9: government of Canada doesn't change that or how allow exemptions

1576
01:11:38,680 --> 01:11:41,280
Speaker 9: or just throw the rule out the window altogether, which

1577
01:11:41,320 --> 01:11:43,120
Speaker 9: could happen who knows in the next couple of months.

1578
01:11:43,680 --> 01:11:45,240
Speaker 9: I don't think that the UFC is going to come

1579
01:11:45,240 --> 01:11:47,160
Speaker 9: back to Canada until that is figured out.

1580
01:11:47,600 --> 01:11:50,720
Speaker 5: Yeah, And that would be the case for employees of

1581
01:11:50,720 --> 01:11:52,400
Speaker 5: the UFC as well, right, I mean, they wouldn't be

1582
01:11:52,439 --> 01:11:54,759
Speaker 5: able to get in the country, right exactly.

1583
01:11:54,800 --> 01:11:56,679
Speaker 7: Well, yeah, I mean I can tell you I got

1584
01:11:57,439 --> 01:12:02,080
Speaker 7: boosted on December thirty four, twenty twenty one, and I

1585
01:12:02,160 --> 01:12:06,840
Speaker 7: needed that booster shot to get into Singapore, I believe. So, So,

1586
01:12:06,920 --> 01:12:09,160
Speaker 7: what's the monologue gonna beyond this week?

1587
01:12:09,560 --> 01:12:10,800
Speaker 5: Have you already done it?

1588
01:12:10,800 --> 01:12:13,240
Speaker 9: It's actually gonna be called the Yoanna Log this week,

1589
01:12:13,280 --> 01:12:15,599
Speaker 9: and it's going to be oh kind of a tribute

1590
01:12:15,640 --> 01:12:19,280
Speaker 9: to her career and talking about how really, while she

1591
01:12:19,280 --> 01:12:20,680
Speaker 9: gets a ton of credit of course for what she's

1592
01:12:20,680 --> 01:12:22,599
Speaker 9: done in the cage, what she does outside of the cage,

1593
01:12:22,600 --> 01:12:25,240
Speaker 9: I think is equally impressive. The amount of media commitments

1594
01:12:25,240 --> 01:12:26,800
Speaker 9: that she always did. She went above and beyond the

1595
01:12:26,800 --> 01:12:30,280
Speaker 9: amount of sponsorship commitments, promotional commitments, above and beyond. She

1596
01:12:30,320 --> 01:12:32,160
Speaker 9: always talks about the people behind the scenes at the

1597
01:12:32,240 --> 01:12:34,960
Speaker 9: UFC and how they are the machine that keeps this going.

1598
01:12:34,960 --> 01:12:36,320
Speaker 9: They are the end of the keep the machine going.

1599
01:12:36,360 --> 01:12:39,800
Speaker 9: Rather and she's talked about Susie than the makeup lady

1600
01:12:39,840 --> 01:12:41,679
Speaker 9: who I know you were very close with, who I met,

1601
01:12:42,000 --> 01:12:44,280
Speaker 9: you know a couple of times, who passed away. She

1602
01:12:44,320 --> 01:12:46,519
Speaker 9: talked about her at the press conference, like Yoanna is

1603
01:12:46,520 --> 01:12:48,439
Speaker 9: just assault of your human being. And I think that

1604
01:12:48,439 --> 01:12:52,759
Speaker 9: that part of Yoanna needs to be amplified in addition

1605
01:12:52,800 --> 01:12:53,920
Speaker 9: to what she did in the cage.

1606
01:12:54,520 --> 01:12:56,439
Speaker 5: Did she help you get over your fear of heights?

1607
01:12:56,479 --> 01:12:58,000
Speaker 5: Because I have a fear of heights as well. Did

1608
01:12:58,040 --> 01:12:59,640
Speaker 5: she help you? I didn't. I didn't get that end

1609
01:12:59,640 --> 01:13:00,799
Speaker 5: of the sh story, did.

1610
01:13:00,680 --> 01:13:04,519
Speaker 9: You, Kenny. I was in my garage today and I

1611
01:13:04,600 --> 01:13:07,160
Speaker 9: climbed up a ladder to get to the state. We

1612
01:13:07,200 --> 01:13:08,840
Speaker 9: have like a second level of our garage where we

1613
01:13:08,880 --> 01:13:11,360
Speaker 9: keep our stuff in storage. I climbed up that ladder

1614
01:13:11,760 --> 01:13:14,680
Speaker 9: and down that ladder without somebody holding that ladder, and

1615
01:13:15,040 --> 01:13:17,160
Speaker 9: five years ago, there's no chance I would have done

1616
01:13:17,160 --> 01:13:21,240
Speaker 9: that zero percent. It helped. She helped me. She helped me,

1617
01:13:21,320 --> 01:13:22,599
Speaker 9: She helped my life for the better.

1618
01:13:23,160 --> 01:13:23,680
Speaker 3: I love it.

1619
01:13:24,640 --> 01:13:27,600
Speaker 7: Do you do you consider real quickly? Because I have

1620
01:13:27,600 --> 01:13:31,960
Speaker 7: two more things? Do you consider Rose uh or Yoanna? Like,

1621
01:13:32,000 --> 01:13:35,040
Speaker 7: do you have the greatest strawweight right now in your mind?

1622
01:13:35,120 --> 01:13:37,639
Speaker 7: Or do you think it's just incomplete and the waste

1623
01:13:37,680 --> 01:13:38,439
Speaker 7: of air right now?

1624
01:13:39,080 --> 01:13:41,920
Speaker 9: I think it's Yohanna because of the strength of her

1625
01:13:41,960 --> 01:13:45,799
Speaker 9: championship run. There's there has not been a single strawweight

1626
01:13:45,840 --> 01:13:48,760
Speaker 9: champion outside of Johanna that has had more than one

1627
01:13:49,120 --> 01:13:51,840
Speaker 9: title defense during the reign. So Rose has had two

1628
01:13:51,880 --> 01:13:55,360
Speaker 9: title defenses and two separate wins, right, but you wanna

1629
01:13:55,439 --> 01:13:59,160
Speaker 9: have five title difference, right. So that's personally why I

1630
01:13:59,439 --> 01:14:01,160
Speaker 9: consider her be the greatest straway of all the time

1631
01:14:01,240 --> 01:14:03,000
Speaker 9: she was in her prime doing it. Roses still quite

1632
01:14:03,000 --> 01:14:05,439
Speaker 9: a bit younger than you and I believe, right, So yeah,

1633
01:14:05,560 --> 01:14:07,080
Speaker 9: Rose Tell has a lot of time and I think

1634
01:14:07,080 --> 01:14:08,559
Speaker 9: that that that as bar as a fight, I think

1635
01:14:09,080 --> 01:14:11,360
Speaker 9: really did a disservice to Rose in terms of her

1636
01:14:11,439 --> 01:14:15,240
Speaker 9: legacy because going into that fight, I think, and I

1637
01:14:15,240 --> 01:14:16,960
Speaker 9: think I think I was on your show after that event,

1638
01:14:17,320 --> 01:14:19,640
Speaker 9: but I just thought Rose could beat her everywhere if

1639
01:14:19,680 --> 01:14:21,400
Speaker 9: I went. In fact, I think if Carla took her down,

1640
01:14:21,479 --> 01:14:23,000
Speaker 9: Rose would have had a lot of answers on the ground.

1641
01:14:23,000 --> 01:14:25,439
Speaker 9: And I think that that kind of took away the

1642
01:14:25,520 --> 01:14:27,519
Speaker 9: tracks from a resume, but that would have been because

1643
01:14:27,640 --> 01:14:29,040
Speaker 9: if you would have looked at the resumes, if she

1644
01:14:29,040 --> 01:14:31,519
Speaker 9: had beaten Carla, she would have had have beaten every

1645
01:14:31,560 --> 01:14:33,960
Speaker 9: single former champion that the Straway Division had had, you know,

1646
01:14:34,040 --> 01:14:37,840
Speaker 9: has had, right, So I think that that is a

1647
01:14:37,880 --> 01:14:39,920
Speaker 9: big Yeah, that's a really big thing.

1648
01:14:40,400 --> 01:14:42,639
Speaker 7: Yeah, you put it into the perfect context. I'm glad

1649
01:14:42,640 --> 01:14:46,000
Speaker 7: I asked, right, the swing of that fight for Rose's legacy.

1650
01:14:46,120 --> 01:14:48,479
Speaker 7: You know, even if it was a good fight, right

1651
01:14:48,600 --> 01:14:52,640
Speaker 7: and a loss, that's a huge swing for her. And

1652
01:14:52,680 --> 01:14:54,920
Speaker 7: I think as far as featherweight, it's sort of similar, right.

1653
01:14:54,960 --> 01:14:56,800
Speaker 7: I mean, Jose Alda was a guy that I will

1654
01:14:56,840 --> 01:14:59,240
Speaker 7: put in that conversation, even though some people seem to

1655
01:14:59,240 --> 01:15:01,479
Speaker 7: want to make it a too horse race with with

1656
01:15:01,600 --> 01:15:05,160
Speaker 7: Volkanovsky and Max Holloway, but it's crazy, right, Like Volkanovsky's

1657
01:15:05,200 --> 01:15:08,320
Speaker 7: got two head to head wins over Max Holloway. But

1658
01:15:08,400 --> 01:15:10,120
Speaker 7: don't sit here and tell me right now the volcano.

1659
01:15:11,320 --> 01:15:14,840
Speaker 9: I mean Connor's running featherweight. People forget like you can

1660
01:15:15,040 --> 01:15:16,280
Speaker 9: get it, but he was.

1661
01:15:16,320 --> 01:15:18,280
Speaker 5: I know you got it on the belt.

1662
01:15:18,400 --> 01:15:21,160
Speaker 7: You have to for me to even open the discussion,

1663
01:15:21,160 --> 01:15:22,439
Speaker 7: you need at least one title of defense.

1664
01:15:22,479 --> 01:15:22,760
Speaker 5: All right.

1665
01:15:22,800 --> 01:15:26,760
Speaker 7: Last question, Uri Prohaska had a championship parade for the

1666
01:15:26,800 --> 01:15:29,519
Speaker 7: Ages and it did not take these people very long

1667
01:15:29,640 --> 01:15:33,800
Speaker 7: to congregate. Did George Saint Pierre ever have anything resembling

1668
01:15:33,800 --> 01:15:36,040
Speaker 7: what Uri pro Hoska just got for breaking through and

1669
01:15:36,080 --> 01:15:37,559
Speaker 7: win in the title? Please tell me he did.

1670
01:15:38,200 --> 01:15:39,640
Speaker 9: I don't think he did in the streets like I

1671
01:15:39,880 --> 01:15:41,040
Speaker 9: think that it was a big deal when he was

1672
01:15:41,080 --> 01:15:43,800
Speaker 9: the champion in Canada and the people of Quebec if

1673
01:15:43,800 --> 01:15:45,760
Speaker 9: you went to the shows. So here's the story for you.

1674
01:15:46,200 --> 01:15:49,559
Speaker 9: Matt Hamill, who's you know most people know is death,

1675
01:15:50,120 --> 01:15:51,760
Speaker 9: said that when he went to a show, he was

1676
01:15:51,800 --> 01:15:54,680
Speaker 9: a guest fighter for a show in Montreal. And I

1677
01:15:54,760 --> 01:15:56,400
Speaker 9: think you might have then done commentary for one of

1678
01:15:56,400 --> 01:15:57,479
Speaker 9: the shows in Montreal too.

1679
01:15:57,400 --> 01:15:59,040
Speaker 5: Kenny, Yeah, he did.

1680
01:15:59,320 --> 01:16:02,360
Speaker 9: He said that he felt the ground shaking like he

1681
01:16:02,360 --> 01:16:05,280
Speaker 9: he can't hear anything, but he says that he has

1682
01:16:05,320 --> 01:16:07,000
Speaker 9: never felt anything like that before. He was in the

1683
01:16:07,040 --> 01:16:10,680
Speaker 9: arena and he felt the ground shaking when GSP came out.

1684
01:16:10,760 --> 01:16:13,679
Speaker 9: That's that's what the ovation was like for him in Canada.

1685
01:16:14,680 --> 01:16:18,040
Speaker 7: And let me say this to piggyback on that about Canada. Okay,

1686
01:16:18,680 --> 01:16:21,479
Speaker 7: the loudest I have ever heard of mixed martial arts

1687
01:16:21,560 --> 01:16:25,000
Speaker 7: crowd with respect to England and Brazil and everybody else,

1688
01:16:25,680 --> 01:16:30,080
Speaker 7: was when Showgun knocked out Leoto Machidah in Montreal. Ken

1689
01:16:30,120 --> 01:16:31,880
Speaker 7: Flow and I were there, I think on the desk.

1690
01:16:32,640 --> 01:16:35,439
Speaker 7: George Pierre wasn't fighting that night, you know. So I

1691
01:16:35,479 --> 01:16:37,559
Speaker 7: know we haven't been to Canada for a while, but

1692
01:16:38,080 --> 01:16:41,679
Speaker 7: I'm telling you the loudest mixed martial arts crowds per

1693
01:16:41,800 --> 01:16:44,120
Speaker 7: capita are in the Great White North.

1694
01:16:44,240 --> 01:16:47,120
Speaker 9: And you called UFC two O six also, which had

1695
01:16:47,160 --> 01:16:50,640
Speaker 9: that crazy That was and the fans were crazy at

1696
01:16:50,640 --> 01:16:51,080
Speaker 9: that event.

1697
01:16:51,800 --> 01:16:55,840
Speaker 7: I UFC two O seven was when they passed me

1698
01:16:55,880 --> 01:16:56,439
Speaker 7: the baton.

1699
01:16:57,320 --> 01:16:57,519
Speaker 3: Ah.

1700
01:16:58,920 --> 01:17:01,439
Speaker 7: They're very thankful to to have you on and we're

1701
01:17:01,479 --> 01:17:02,960
Speaker 7: hoping to make this a monthly thing. If you have

1702
01:17:03,000 --> 01:17:04,920
Speaker 7: any creative names for a segment with a b let

1703
01:17:05,040 --> 01:17:07,519
Speaker 7: us know. But more from Aaron Bronsteare of course on

1704
01:17:07,560 --> 01:17:10,599
Speaker 7: social media. We obviously really appreciate your coverage and your

1705
01:17:10,640 --> 01:17:13,439
Speaker 7: time and get back to those boys, the children, and

1706
01:17:13,960 --> 01:17:15,559
Speaker 7: we will talk to you soon. My friend, thanks for

1707
01:17:15,600 --> 01:17:16,040
Speaker 7: hopping on.

1708
01:17:16,640 --> 01:17:18,600
Speaker 9: Hey, I always appreciate you guys having me on and

1709
01:17:18,880 --> 01:17:19,720
Speaker 9: enjoy the rest of the show.

1710
01:17:20,520 --> 01:17:23,479
Speaker 7: There he is Aaron Bronsteader with us here on the

1711
01:17:23,520 --> 01:17:28,360
Speaker 7: Anak and Florian podcast. Yeah, greatest featherweight of all time.

1712
01:17:28,400 --> 01:17:31,880
Speaker 7: I just brought it up because Michael Bispig said it

1713
01:17:31,960 --> 01:17:34,320
Speaker 7: was a holloway Volkanovsky race on the air, and it

1714
01:17:34,439 --> 01:17:36,360
Speaker 7: just got me thinking about Jose Aldo and certainly the

1715
01:17:36,360 --> 01:17:38,799
Speaker 7: Connor folks get sensitive when you bring up that discussion.

1716
01:17:38,920 --> 01:17:42,040
Speaker 7: So all right, good stuff there from my man Aaron Bronstetter,

1717
01:17:42,080 --> 01:17:45,719
Speaker 7: who is certainly a credit to the MMA journalistic space.

1718
01:17:45,800 --> 01:17:48,439
Speaker 7: All right, it's time for the main event challenge. I

1719
01:17:48,439 --> 01:17:50,760
Speaker 7: don't need any fancy drop. Where's my boy, big gun

1720
01:17:50,800 --> 01:17:53,080
Speaker 7: Brian Peach. I gotta think by six twenty three pm

1721
01:17:53,120 --> 01:17:53,559
Speaker 7: there he is.

1722
01:17:53,760 --> 01:18:03,599
Speaker 4: Hey, let's go boys, you heard.

1723
01:18:05,120 --> 01:18:05,719
Speaker 5: All right?

1724
01:18:06,280 --> 01:18:07,920
Speaker 7: Uh, we got a lot of things to get to

1725
01:18:08,040 --> 01:18:11,160
Speaker 7: with you, and then we will get to some predictions

1726
01:18:11,200 --> 01:18:14,639
Speaker 7: for UFC Fight nights cater versus Emmett.

1727
01:18:14,680 --> 01:18:16,439
Speaker 5: But Joanna J.

1728
01:18:16,640 --> 01:18:19,879
Speaker 7: Check in her post fight interview with Daniel Cormier acknowledged

1729
01:18:19,920 --> 01:18:22,120
Speaker 7: the UFC staff. And I think what a lot of

1730
01:18:22,120 --> 01:18:24,599
Speaker 7: people don't quite realize, you know, is that we're We're

1731
01:18:24,640 --> 01:18:27,599
Speaker 7: not a television network per se, but we run like one,

1732
01:18:27,720 --> 01:18:30,679
Speaker 7: and the kinship between fighters and staff is a really

1733
01:18:30,720 --> 01:18:33,000
Speaker 7: powerful thing. And you can be sure that our longtime

1734
01:18:33,040 --> 01:18:35,320
Speaker 7: listener and my dear friend, Heidi Dean, who is one

1735
01:18:35,360 --> 01:18:39,680
Speaker 7: of our UFC employees, is one of the people that Yo,

1736
01:18:39,680 --> 01:18:42,679
Speaker 7: Wanna j Check is referencing in that post fight interview.

1737
01:18:42,800 --> 01:18:45,400
Speaker 7: So Heidi got you, wanted to make you a video.

1738
01:18:45,439 --> 01:18:46,720
Speaker 7: I don't know if Cod is going to roll a

1739
01:18:46,800 --> 01:18:48,720
Speaker 7: day J Fanks for.

1740
01:18:48,840 --> 01:18:51,679
Speaker 1: The T shirt. You know, we all have a john

1741
01:18:52,040 --> 01:18:55,400
Speaker 1: great idea and one more step to go watch me tomorrow.

1742
01:18:57,040 --> 01:19:01,760
Speaker 7: So now you have that video of you across check, right,

1743
01:19:01,840 --> 01:19:05,640
Speaker 7: And it just so happened to to happen on the

1744
01:19:05,720 --> 01:19:08,680
Speaker 7: eve of like her retirement fight. Yo, and Heidi got

1745
01:19:08,760 --> 01:19:11,559
Speaker 7: that for you, and uh yeah, he's the best.

1746
01:19:11,960 --> 01:19:12,519
Speaker 5: She sent me that.

1747
01:19:12,560 --> 01:19:14,479
Speaker 4: It was so funny. I was I I usually watched

1748
01:19:14,479 --> 01:19:16,360
Speaker 4: the fights at home and I was going over my

1749
01:19:16,400 --> 01:19:18,680
Speaker 4: buddy's house and I'm like leaving and the wife was

1750
01:19:18,800 --> 01:19:21,599
Speaker 4: taking the kids and yadya YadA. I get the message.

1751
01:19:22,000 --> 01:19:23,800
Speaker 4: And my wife knows I have across from Yanna and

1752
01:19:23,920 --> 01:19:26,479
Speaker 4: she hears that, and my wife's like, who sent you that?

1753
01:19:28,200 --> 01:19:30,639
Speaker 4: And I'm like, oh, Heidi. You know my wife loves Heidi.

1754
01:19:30,760 --> 01:19:32,519
Speaker 4: She's like, oh, I was like, Hidi sentence and I'm

1755
01:19:32,560 --> 01:19:36,040
Speaker 4: like flabberg acid, like first time my life' fucking speechless.

1756
01:19:36,120 --> 01:19:38,120
Speaker 4: My wife's like, oh, are you gonna marry her?

1757
01:19:38,160 --> 01:19:38,280
Speaker 7: Now?

1758
01:19:38,280 --> 01:19:41,600
Speaker 4: I'm like, okay, let's legs. I said, Hi, Doi was

1759
01:19:41,640 --> 01:19:44,120
Speaker 4: just you know whatever, and then yeah, that was I mean,

1760
01:19:44,160 --> 01:19:46,360
Speaker 4: I I shared that with everyone. I could you know

1761
01:19:46,400 --> 01:19:48,120
Speaker 4: what I mean? I said, you know, I it was

1762
01:19:48,640 --> 01:19:51,320
Speaker 4: unbelievable that she did that, and uh yeah it was.

1763
01:19:51,439 --> 01:19:53,360
Speaker 4: It was a bittersweet that she went out there and

1764
01:19:53,640 --> 01:19:56,280
Speaker 4: did what she did and uh, entertaining fight, went out

1765
01:19:56,320 --> 01:19:58,920
Speaker 4: on the shield like no no other. And I agree,

1766
01:19:58,960 --> 01:20:01,120
Speaker 4: I think she's gonna be. She's she's the greatest right now,

1767
01:20:01,240 --> 01:20:03,360
Speaker 4: just because of the range she had and the excitement

1768
01:20:03,400 --> 01:20:05,040
Speaker 4: that she had. She never had a dud in there

1769
01:20:05,120 --> 01:20:07,960
Speaker 4: and the people she fought and I loved her just

1770
01:20:08,000 --> 01:20:09,640
Speaker 4: because of like she was the first, one of the

1771
01:20:09,680 --> 01:20:12,720
Speaker 4: first female MMA fighters that I could recall that really

1772
01:20:12,800 --> 01:20:15,320
Speaker 4: came in with this swagger, with this like confidence, with

1773
01:20:15,439 --> 01:20:18,080
Speaker 4: this ship talking that you know that only guys did.

1774
01:20:18,200 --> 01:20:20,439
Speaker 4: She came in and did that. And it puts some

1775
01:20:20,479 --> 01:20:22,639
Speaker 4: people off because maybe some you know, people were intimidated

1776
01:20:22,680 --> 01:20:24,120
Speaker 4: by that, but I loved it. I thought it was like,

1777
01:20:24,200 --> 01:20:25,679
Speaker 4: this girl's fucking a savage.

1778
01:20:26,000 --> 01:20:27,080
Speaker 5: This is what we need, you know.

1779
01:20:27,240 --> 01:20:29,320
Speaker 4: And uh yeah, She'll always have a special place in

1780
01:20:29,360 --> 01:20:30,920
Speaker 4: my heart. So she's the best too.

1781
01:20:31,479 --> 01:20:34,759
Speaker 5: I used to crush on her heart, not boyfriend.

1782
01:20:34,800 --> 01:20:38,200
Speaker 4: Now I'm married. I'm married too, But when was that boyfriend?

1783
01:20:38,240 --> 01:20:39,240
Speaker 4: He's like a soccer player or something.

1784
01:20:39,280 --> 01:20:46,800
Speaker 5: I don't know, the volleyball player.

1785
01:20:47,160 --> 01:20:51,559
Speaker 7: But thanks to to uh, thanks to our executive producer

1786
01:20:51,640 --> 01:20:53,680
Speaker 7: Cody Merrow for the quick turn on that video as well.

1787
01:20:53,760 --> 01:20:57,840
Speaker 7: Cody Marrow doesn't always get the credit he deserves, all right.

1788
01:20:57,880 --> 01:20:59,960
Speaker 7: So before we get to the predictions, I have to

1789
01:21:00,160 --> 01:21:03,280
Speaker 7: ask you about Uri Prohaska and over the share and

1790
01:21:04,280 --> 01:21:06,960
Speaker 7: it sort of warmed the cackles of my hat when

1791
01:21:07,000 --> 01:21:09,479
Speaker 7: Aaron Bronsteader suggested that maybe it was the greatest title

1792
01:21:09,520 --> 01:21:12,040
Speaker 7: fight UFC history, because you know, fuck if I didn't

1793
01:21:12,040 --> 01:21:14,080
Speaker 7: feel like it was walking out of the Singapore Indoor

1794
01:21:14,160 --> 01:21:16,760
Speaker 7: Stadium by what were you thinking about when you watch

1795
01:21:16,840 --> 01:21:19,840
Speaker 7: those two go at it for nearly twenty five unbelievable?

1796
01:21:19,840 --> 01:21:21,439
Speaker 4: I get I asked question a lot. I've been the

1797
01:21:21,560 --> 01:21:23,960
Speaker 4: MMA guy in my part of town since fifteen, and

1798
01:21:24,160 --> 01:21:26,160
Speaker 4: you get the same question when people don't know what

1799
01:21:26,439 --> 01:21:28,320
Speaker 4: they'll talk to you about. What's your favor fight? It's

1800
01:21:28,360 --> 01:21:30,840
Speaker 4: such a loaded question because I've seen them all that's

1801
01:21:30,960 --> 01:21:33,640
Speaker 4: up there, man, because it had everything. It literally did,

1802
01:21:33,800 --> 01:21:37,240
Speaker 4: had this this forty two, forty three year old man

1803
01:21:37,280 --> 01:21:39,160
Speaker 4: who's not willing to quit. He could have fucking quit

1804
01:21:39,200 --> 01:21:40,960
Speaker 4: in that fight and be like, hey, I won the title.

1805
01:21:41,240 --> 01:21:43,240
Speaker 4: He didn't. He had every chance to win. He made

1806
01:21:43,280 --> 01:21:46,439
Speaker 4: a few mistakes. It got sloppy, which listen, I don't

1807
01:21:46,520 --> 01:21:49,519
Speaker 4: love the real slober knocker brawls Leonard Garcia fights. Those

1808
01:21:49,560 --> 01:21:52,400
Speaker 4: aren't usually my favorite. This had enough sloppiness to it

1809
01:21:52,439 --> 01:21:55,240
Speaker 4: where it's both guys are exhausted and they're both trying,

1810
01:21:55,600 --> 01:21:57,000
Speaker 4: and then all of a sudden you see really high

1811
01:21:57,080 --> 01:21:59,800
Speaker 4: techniques compared to you know, some a little bit of

1812
01:21:59,800 --> 01:22:01,840
Speaker 4: slo happiness like glow. Everyone's going to go back to

1813
01:22:01,920 --> 01:22:03,120
Speaker 4: the Glover why do you go for Why do he

1814
01:22:03,160 --> 01:22:05,880
Speaker 4: go for the guillotine? Well, because he's fucking that's what

1815
01:22:05,960 --> 01:22:08,160
Speaker 4: he does. He's going for the finish. He wasn't thinking.

1816
01:22:08,240 --> 01:22:09,800
Speaker 4: He's like, I got this guy's neck and then it

1817
01:22:09,920 --> 01:22:12,240
Speaker 4: just slipped off. And then there's a beautiful pitcher on

1818
01:22:12,360 --> 01:22:16,040
Speaker 4: Twitter where it was like Glover had Yeerie mount it

1819
01:22:16,120 --> 01:22:18,280
Speaker 4: and was raining blows and Yeri's turned to the side.

1820
01:22:18,320 --> 01:22:19,639
Speaker 4: He had the huge cut. This was in the fifth

1821
01:22:19,720 --> 01:22:22,479
Speaker 4: round and it said seventy five seconds later, year is

1822
01:22:22,520 --> 01:22:23,000
Speaker 4: the champion.

1823
01:22:23,479 --> 01:22:25,160
Speaker 5: It is the craziest sport.

1824
01:22:25,320 --> 01:22:27,280
Speaker 4: I was so proud of being an MMA fan on

1825
01:22:27,320 --> 01:22:29,960
Speaker 4: Saturday night with this sport. I had buddies in the

1826
01:22:30,040 --> 01:22:31,920
Speaker 4: where I was watching with who were are not really

1827
01:22:32,000 --> 01:22:36,240
Speaker 4: MMA fans blown away. Yeah, it's just it's unbelievable what

1828
01:22:36,320 --> 01:22:38,799
Speaker 4: they what they what these guys did, and the respect

1829
01:22:38,840 --> 01:22:41,720
Speaker 4: they need for both athletes is is immeasurable.

1830
01:22:41,760 --> 01:22:45,439
Speaker 7: I mean, they're unbelievable, Jay, and you could be sure,

1831
01:22:45,560 --> 01:22:48,120
Speaker 7: like when we're talking about this fight afterwards and singing

1832
01:22:48,280 --> 01:22:49,559
Speaker 7: like I got I could all, I was just.

1833
01:22:49,640 --> 01:22:54,720
Speaker 4: Like, holy Holy, I mean it's crazy Yuri's I mean,

1834
01:22:54,720 --> 01:22:57,920
Speaker 4: they're both built different, but Yuri. I kept wondering what

1835
01:22:58,120 --> 01:22:59,960
Speaker 4: what the taps were? Right, I'm like, dude, this guy

1836
01:23:00,120 --> 01:23:03,320
Speaker 4: was playing with fucking fire. He keeps tapping and he

1837
01:23:03,520 --> 01:23:05,519
Speaker 4: told the ref. He told the ref like, oh, I'm

1838
01:23:05,560 --> 01:23:08,040
Speaker 4: just congratulating from hitting me with a big shot. He

1839
01:23:08,120 --> 01:23:10,160
Speaker 4: kept telling him that was that was big, but not

1840
01:23:10,200 --> 01:23:10,840
Speaker 4: big enough, you know.

1841
01:23:10,840 --> 01:23:11,160
Speaker 8: What I mean.

1842
01:23:11,200 --> 01:23:14,120
Speaker 4: And I'm like, this dude's fucking next level. We always

1843
01:23:14,160 --> 01:23:16,479
Speaker 4: knew he was next level. And then seeing the Czech

1844
01:23:16,520 --> 01:23:19,800
Speaker 4: Republic come out and support him, and then I kind

1845
01:23:19,800 --> 01:23:21,160
Speaker 4: of knew it was over. When they showed him walk

1846
01:23:21,160 --> 01:23:24,599
Speaker 4: in an arena with that kimono top on the Steven

1847
01:23:24,720 --> 01:23:27,920
Speaker 4: segall Special kimono top. I'm like, oh, this dude's fucking

1848
01:23:28,080 --> 01:23:31,360
Speaker 4: got it. Unbelievable fight. I mean literally, I just it

1849
01:23:31,439 --> 01:23:33,360
Speaker 4: blew me away. It took me forever to fall asleep.

1850
01:23:33,400 --> 01:23:34,200
Speaker 4: I kept thinking about it.

1851
01:23:34,280 --> 01:23:34,519
Speaker 3: It was.

1852
01:23:34,960 --> 01:23:35,599
Speaker 4: It was amazing.

1853
01:23:36,360 --> 01:23:36,640
Speaker 3: All right.

1854
01:23:36,640 --> 01:23:38,920
Speaker 7: Well, thanks to our intern Will Burger and Cody, we

1855
01:23:39,040 --> 01:23:41,200
Speaker 7: have been able to update the standing. So, Cody, I

1856
01:23:41,200 --> 01:23:43,040
Speaker 7: don't know if you want to four box this mother

1857
01:23:43,640 --> 01:23:49,040
Speaker 7: right now in here, but uh, the numbers are pretty.

1858
01:23:48,760 --> 01:23:55,800
Speaker 6: Close, really, yea, the numbers numbers Numbies Kid Fresh for

1859
01:23:55,920 --> 01:23:57,840
Speaker 6: fucking Waltham with some numbers for you.

1860
01:23:59,800 --> 01:24:03,439
Speaker 5: Well off the yeah, damn, damn.

1861
01:24:03,920 --> 01:24:06,040
Speaker 7: I mean you're your new I love when your New

1862
01:24:06,080 --> 01:24:08,400
Speaker 7: Hampshire comes out because you have so much fucking hate

1863
01:24:08,439 --> 01:24:10,920
Speaker 7: for the New York Rangers. As a Boston Brewers man

1864
01:24:11,000 --> 01:24:14,160
Speaker 7: like this, dude, I'm could have been fucking banging on

1865
01:24:14,240 --> 01:24:16,080
Speaker 7: the New York Rangers, banging on the Blue Shirts every

1866
01:24:16,160 --> 01:24:16,720
Speaker 7: chance he gets.

1867
01:24:16,760 --> 01:24:17,479
Speaker 5: But it's wallfam.

1868
01:24:17,920 --> 01:24:20,479
Speaker 6: Oh you say, not the Rangers. It's not the Rangers

1869
01:24:20,520 --> 01:24:22,680
Speaker 6: that I hate. It's the Rangers fans that came out

1870
01:24:22,720 --> 01:24:25,240
Speaker 6: of fucking nowhere and where you guys been the last

1871
01:24:25,280 --> 01:24:27,599
Speaker 6: ten year? I haven't seen you because I haven't heard

1872
01:24:27,640 --> 01:24:31,320
Speaker 6: of yet. Now everybody's a Rangers. So now what you

1873
01:24:31,439 --> 01:24:31,920
Speaker 6: came here for?

1874
01:24:32,560 --> 01:24:33,360
Speaker 9: What you came here for?

1875
01:24:33,560 --> 01:24:34,479
Speaker 6: Some stats updates?

1876
01:24:34,520 --> 01:24:35,320
Speaker 5: So do you want to guess?

1877
01:24:35,360 --> 01:24:36,400
Speaker 6: Does anyone want to guess?

1878
01:24:36,439 --> 01:24:36,800
Speaker 3: On who was?

1879
01:24:37,600 --> 01:24:38,479
Speaker 5: I think Kenny's ahead.

1880
01:24:38,520 --> 01:24:39,679
Speaker 4: I think Kenny's ahead for sure.

1881
01:24:40,040 --> 01:24:42,479
Speaker 5: Oh I have no idea, I really don't.

1882
01:24:43,120 --> 01:24:46,160
Speaker 6: Kenny is ahead by a net of thirty nine picks

1883
01:24:46,200 --> 01:24:50,439
Speaker 6: to twenty two, but with the scoring system, Kenny is

1884
01:24:50,600 --> 01:24:53,160
Speaker 6: only up a net one hundred and seven dollars and

1885
01:24:53,240 --> 01:24:56,840
Speaker 6: thirteen cents so Keny's total is forty five ninety nine

1886
01:24:56,960 --> 01:25:00,759
Speaker 6: fifty seven. BP's total is forty four ninety two fourteen.

1887
01:25:00,960 --> 01:25:02,479
Speaker 5: So there was a huge swing.

1888
01:25:02,640 --> 01:25:05,320
Speaker 6: I believe it was the Blahovich fight was a huge

1889
01:25:05,360 --> 01:25:08,160
Speaker 6: swing for the odds. So that's the updated Man Event

1890
01:25:08,200 --> 01:25:08,920
Speaker 6: Challenge standings.

1891
01:25:09,200 --> 01:25:11,439
Speaker 4: I'm hi, good, lock in, I'm locking in. Now Here

1892
01:25:11,479 --> 01:25:12,800
Speaker 4: we go a little.

1893
01:25:12,960 --> 01:25:14,880
Speaker 7: I'm a little confused as to how we got that,

1894
01:25:14,960 --> 01:25:16,639
Speaker 7: but I know we have a database. And again, I'm

1895
01:25:16,680 --> 01:25:18,320
Speaker 7: half in the bag right now, but I'm gonna dive

1896
01:25:18,400 --> 01:25:20,160
Speaker 7: in and sort of give you some more numbers on

1897
01:25:20,280 --> 01:25:22,360
Speaker 7: that next week. But thanks to our guys behind the

1898
01:25:22,400 --> 01:25:25,479
Speaker 7: scenes for grabbing the bull by the proverbial horns and

1899
01:25:25,520 --> 01:25:27,280
Speaker 7: getting that done. First pick for US today is going

1900
01:25:27,360 --> 01:25:29,000
Speaker 7: to be at Midway, by the way, UFC in Austin,

1901
01:25:29,080 --> 01:25:32,560
Speaker 7: Texas this weekend. Main card on ESPN Albert Duajev or

1902
01:25:32,640 --> 01:25:37,120
Speaker 7: do Reev. I don't fucking know. Joaquin Buckley is plus

1903
01:25:37,200 --> 01:25:40,599
Speaker 7: one seventy. So Douayev one is UFC debut last October

1904
01:25:40,680 --> 01:25:43,200
Speaker 7: of UFC two sixty seven against a very tough Roman

1905
01:25:43,280 --> 01:25:46,839
Speaker 7: Koppolov was to fas Anthony Fluffy Hernandez. I think earlier

1906
01:25:46,880 --> 01:25:48,839
Speaker 7: this year, but he was forced out with a rib injury.

1907
01:25:49,280 --> 01:25:52,479
Speaker 7: Here he draws Joaquin Buckley, who has won two straight

1908
01:25:52,600 --> 01:25:55,719
Speaker 7: courtesy of a split decision nod against Abdul zach Alhassen

1909
01:25:55,760 --> 01:25:58,800
Speaker 7: back in February. Brian Petrie, you're going do Reev the

1910
01:25:58,840 --> 01:26:00,160
Speaker 7: favorite or Buckley.

1911
01:26:00,200 --> 01:26:03,280
Speaker 4: Dog classics striker verus grappler. We can't get away for

1912
01:26:03,320 --> 01:26:05,519
Speaker 4: it here in Mma. Durav is a guy who I

1913
01:26:06,280 --> 01:26:09,320
Speaker 4: circled when he came to the Contender series. His topology

1914
01:26:09,439 --> 01:26:11,240
Speaker 4: pictures all time. He's like in front of a car,

1915
01:26:11,400 --> 01:26:14,240
Speaker 4: like he looks fucking dope. But you know, he fought

1916
01:26:14,280 --> 01:26:17,240
Speaker 4: high Bitt in Court, who's just okay. Then he fought Romancopolov,

1917
01:26:17,280 --> 01:26:19,240
Speaker 4: who doesn't have a win UFC, and he looked good.

1918
01:26:19,680 --> 01:26:21,560
Speaker 4: But I'm just like, the straight of the schedule is

1919
01:26:21,600 --> 01:26:23,280
Speaker 4: just not there. And he's getting this big love from

1920
01:26:23,360 --> 01:26:25,960
Speaker 4: Vegas because he's the Russian raggall machine. Everyone loves the

1921
01:26:26,040 --> 01:26:27,960
Speaker 4: Russians that you know that they're hard to beat, and

1922
01:26:28,000 --> 01:26:30,280
Speaker 4: Joaquin Buckley is is typically a striker. But the problem

1923
01:26:30,360 --> 01:26:31,960
Speaker 4: with with Durre when you look at his record, you

1924
01:26:32,000 --> 01:26:33,639
Speaker 4: look at his fights, he's been lost, He's all three

1925
01:26:33,680 --> 01:26:36,400
Speaker 4: times by knockout. Ramins a viv knocked him out and

1926
01:26:36,400 --> 01:26:37,880
Speaker 4: that guy can't punch his way up a wet paper

1927
01:26:37,960 --> 01:26:40,160
Speaker 4: bag and he has a knockout. Sorry to me, but

1928
01:26:40,280 --> 01:26:41,160
Speaker 4: I don't mean the ship.

1929
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Speaker 3: Is a listener.

1930
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Speaker 4: Okay, Well, you know, let's go three named Jack Babe

1931
01:26:47,120 --> 01:26:50,320
Speaker 4: Buckley fought a grappler based in Antonio Royal and he

1932
01:26:50,400 --> 01:26:52,040
Speaker 4: had trouble in the beginning. It was a big guy

1933
01:26:52,080 --> 01:26:54,280
Speaker 4: for DY five, not the wrestling that we have, but

1934
01:26:54,360 --> 01:26:57,000
Speaker 4: he has jiu JITs it to and Buckley did okay

1935
01:26:57,000 --> 01:26:58,200
Speaker 4: and then finished him late in the fight. But the

1936
01:26:58,280 --> 01:27:00,200
Speaker 4: one fight to keep coming back with Buckley is as

1937
01:27:00,240 --> 01:27:02,720
Speaker 4: the capper does you go back to twenty nineteen fought

1938
01:27:02,720 --> 01:27:05,639
Speaker 4: logan story. He's a pure wrestler and any struggle mightily. However,

1939
01:27:05,720 --> 01:27:07,840
Speaker 4: Buckley has moved around a little bit left Michigan.

1940
01:27:07,560 --> 01:27:08,080
Speaker 5: With the vegas.

1941
01:27:08,280 --> 01:27:10,640
Speaker 4: He's expulsive, he's in shape, his cardio is good. He

1942
01:27:10,680 --> 01:27:13,760
Speaker 4: has some three round finishes, big expulsive guy. You know,

1943
01:27:13,840 --> 01:27:16,400
Speaker 4: that's not an easy fight to cap because you know, historically,

1944
01:27:16,439 --> 01:27:18,799
Speaker 4: and I'm making this completely up, I have no stats. Historically,

1945
01:27:18,880 --> 01:27:21,280
Speaker 4: you feel like the grappler gets the w most of

1946
01:27:21,280 --> 01:27:23,960
Speaker 4: the time. Over the striker typically. However, you know they

1947
01:27:24,000 --> 01:27:25,680
Speaker 4: don't call me dog about a huntre for nothing. I'm

1948
01:27:25,720 --> 01:27:26,519
Speaker 4: going to dog shot here.

1949
01:27:26,560 --> 01:27:27,400
Speaker 5: I'm chasing dogs.

1950
01:27:27,680 --> 01:27:29,400
Speaker 4: Give me the Buckley by Ko, I think is the

1951
01:27:29,439 --> 01:27:31,439
Speaker 4: only way he gets done by Ko. If he's a

1952
01:27:31,479 --> 01:27:33,200
Speaker 4: plus one to eighty, he's gonna have a nice little

1953
01:27:33,240 --> 01:27:35,479
Speaker 4: juicy plus number on the knockout as well. So give

1954
01:27:35,479 --> 01:27:37,400
Speaker 4: me Bucky by Ko. I think he happens maybe in

1955
01:27:37,439 --> 01:27:38,000
Speaker 4: the second round.

1956
01:27:39,000 --> 01:27:41,240
Speaker 7: I like to handicap kemp Fell. I do think some people,

1957
01:27:41,400 --> 01:27:43,080
Speaker 7: not just Brian Petere, you are going to be enticed

1958
01:27:43,120 --> 01:27:45,439
Speaker 7: at Buckley at that number. Others maybe will go shock.

1959
01:27:45,520 --> 01:27:47,479
Speaker 7: What do you think about do Rayah versus Buckley here

1960
01:27:47,520 --> 01:27:48,160
Speaker 7: on the main card?

1961
01:27:48,880 --> 01:27:51,519
Speaker 5: Did Patrick get the early evening espresso today?

1962
01:27:51,560 --> 01:27:54,000
Speaker 4: He's like, hey, I'm ready, I'm ready.

1963
01:27:55,640 --> 01:27:59,400
Speaker 5: Guess I was hesitant picking this one. I was actually

1964
01:27:59,439 --> 01:28:07,960
Speaker 5: going the way of dayah deraah whatever you want today, idiot. Yeah, So,

1965
01:28:08,520 --> 01:28:10,599
Speaker 5: but you know, I do I do know that Buckley

1966
01:28:10,640 --> 01:28:13,560
Speaker 5: obviously is a very dangerous guy. I think it's a

1967
01:28:13,640 --> 01:28:17,599
Speaker 5: tough matchup for him, But uh, I don't know. I mean,

1968
01:28:17,600 --> 01:28:19,640
Speaker 5: I guess I'm gonna go the way the grappler here

1969
01:28:19,960 --> 01:28:28,639
Speaker 5: uh Durraia Deia Rayah. Yeah, I got a little talk twister. Yeah,

1970
01:28:28,720 --> 01:28:29,880
Speaker 5: thanks all right.

1971
01:28:29,920 --> 01:28:31,920
Speaker 7: Also on the main card, we will have Ken Full

1972
01:28:32,000 --> 01:28:34,559
Speaker 7: lead us off here at welterweight Kevin Holland minus two

1973
01:28:34,640 --> 01:28:39,400
Speaker 7: twenty Tim Means Business plus one eighty Holland coming off

1974
01:28:39,439 --> 01:28:42,880
Speaker 7: the stoppage win of Alex Cowboy Olvera And this will

1975
01:28:42,920 --> 01:28:44,439
Speaker 7: be the first appearance on the other side of the

1976
01:28:44,520 --> 01:28:47,120
Speaker 7: year for Means after his belt with Jeremiah Wells in

1977
01:28:47,200 --> 01:28:50,200
Speaker 7: February was called off. I couldn't find out why, so

1978
01:28:50,320 --> 01:28:53,559
Speaker 7: it's like a year long layoff essentially for Timmy Means Business.

1979
01:28:54,040 --> 01:28:55,600
Speaker 7: But he's won three in a row Ken Flow and

1980
01:28:55,800 --> 01:28:59,200
Speaker 7: UFC appearance number twenty five for Tim Means. How do

1981
01:28:59,240 --> 01:29:02,360
Speaker 7: you think it goes again against the favored Kevin Holland.

1982
01:29:02,640 --> 01:29:05,000
Speaker 5: Man, I really like Tim Means. I've been watching him

1983
01:29:05,000 --> 01:29:07,519
Speaker 5: fight for a long time. I think he's a guy

1984
01:29:07,640 --> 01:29:11,719
Speaker 5: that is as tough as nails and you know, always

1985
01:29:11,800 --> 01:29:15,200
Speaker 5: fights really hard. But he's going to get the guy.

1986
01:29:15,240 --> 01:29:18,080
Speaker 5: And Kevin Holland, who has some really good momentum, he's

1987
01:29:18,120 --> 01:29:22,240
Speaker 5: been extremely active as of late. Also tall, lanky guy,

1988
01:29:23,400 --> 01:29:26,880
Speaker 5: you know, and I think that if you're gonna beat

1989
01:29:26,920 --> 01:29:29,200
Speaker 5: someone like a Tim Means who comes forward like he does,

1990
01:29:29,520 --> 01:29:31,360
Speaker 5: you have to have some good counter shots, and I

1991
01:29:31,400 --> 01:29:33,680
Speaker 5: think Kevin Holland has some of those shots in his

1992
01:29:33,800 --> 01:29:36,519
Speaker 5: arsenal where he can catch Tim Means maybe getting himself

1993
01:29:36,520 --> 01:29:39,400
Speaker 5: a little off balance coming forward a little bit too aggressively,

1994
01:29:39,439 --> 01:29:42,080
Speaker 5: where he can catch him there. And I also think

1995
01:29:42,120 --> 01:29:43,840
Speaker 5: Kevin has a good shot of beating him on the

1996
01:29:43,880 --> 01:29:46,559
Speaker 5: ground as well. I think if he can, if Kevin

1997
01:29:46,600 --> 01:29:49,479
Speaker 5: can weather that early storm, I think Kevin starts to

1998
01:29:49,520 --> 01:29:51,559
Speaker 5: pull away and maybe even gets a finish here against

1999
01:29:51,560 --> 01:29:53,320
Speaker 5: Tim me So I like I like Kevin for the win.

2000
01:29:53,880 --> 01:29:56,639
Speaker 7: Yeah, I think it's a pretty fascinating matchup. Brian Petrie.

2001
01:29:56,680 --> 01:29:58,439
Speaker 7: Who do you have here at Weltroy Kevin Holland minus

2002
01:29:58,439 --> 01:30:00,519
Speaker 7: two twenty or Tim Means plus one or so.

2003
01:30:01,080 --> 01:30:03,400
Speaker 4: I'm glad Kevin Holland can step away from being a

2004
01:30:03,479 --> 01:30:06,160
Speaker 4: superhero and stopping all the crime that he's doing to

2005
01:30:06,200 --> 01:30:08,160
Speaker 4: come back to fight. That's pretty dope. The move for

2006
01:30:08,240 --> 01:30:10,080
Speaker 4: one seventy I love for Kevin Hunt. I'm not a

2007
01:30:10,120 --> 01:30:12,360
Speaker 4: big advocate of weight cutting, but when you go in

2008
01:30:12,439 --> 01:30:14,160
Speaker 4: and fight these guys at one eighty five and you're

2009
01:30:14,200 --> 01:30:17,120
Speaker 4: wearing one eighty three on a full meal. You know,

2010
01:30:17,240 --> 01:30:19,200
Speaker 4: that might not be the best thing because Marvin Torrey

2011
01:30:19,240 --> 01:30:21,040
Speaker 4: and all these other guys, Derek Brunton, they're big fucking

2012
01:30:21,040 --> 01:30:22,679
Speaker 4: guys and they're gonna muscle you down and it's gonna

2013
01:30:22,680 --> 01:30:24,360
Speaker 4: be a problem. So I think one seventy is a

2014
01:30:24,439 --> 01:30:26,720
Speaker 4: really good spot for Kevin Holland. His biggest issue is

2015
01:30:26,800 --> 01:30:28,600
Speaker 4: is wrestling, which we all know he's trying to fix it,

2016
01:30:28,640 --> 01:30:30,439
Speaker 4: you know. But Tim Means isn't really gonna come in

2017
01:30:30,479 --> 01:30:32,360
Speaker 4: and wrestle. They're both very similar on the ground. The

2018
01:30:32,439 --> 01:30:34,920
Speaker 4: wrestling's gonna not be great, but they can take a neck.

2019
01:30:35,000 --> 01:30:37,920
Speaker 4: They have good submissions. But Tim Means this fucking guy.

2020
01:30:37,920 --> 01:30:40,280
Speaker 4: I mean, if you're a New Mexico, they should put

2021
01:30:40,360 --> 01:30:41,800
Speaker 4: up a picture in New Mexico. So is you gonna

2022
01:30:41,800 --> 01:30:43,640
Speaker 4: be a fucking fighter? Find this guy, because that's what

2023
01:30:43,720 --> 01:30:46,840
Speaker 4: this guy is. He's an absolute savage. He doesn't smile

2024
01:30:46,880 --> 01:30:48,960
Speaker 4: on the cage like Kevin Holland. He might talk to you,

2025
01:30:49,360 --> 01:30:51,120
Speaker 4: but he is an absolute savage. I've been a big

2026
01:30:51,160 --> 01:30:53,120
Speaker 4: fan of Tim Means for a while, you know, And

2027
01:30:53,200 --> 01:30:54,840
Speaker 4: I think it's gonna be a very competitive fight because

2028
01:30:54,840 --> 01:30:57,160
Speaker 4: they're both very built similarly, but and I want to

2029
01:30:57,200 --> 01:30:59,080
Speaker 4: go dog cutting again, trust me, I did. I like

2030
01:30:59,160 --> 01:31:01,840
Speaker 4: this number. Kevin Hands only had one parents at one

2031
01:31:01,880 --> 01:31:04,599
Speaker 4: seventy right now against Charles Cowboy all of air, which

2032
01:31:04,840 --> 01:31:06,240
Speaker 4: first round was a little rough, and then he came

2033
01:31:06,280 --> 01:31:09,000
Speaker 4: out and fish second round. But I think Kevin Hollands

2034
01:31:09,080 --> 01:31:12,120
Speaker 4: just could be the bigger explosive, more explosive guy here.

2035
01:31:12,120 --> 01:31:15,080
Speaker 4: I think he's better everywhere as well. I hate saying that.

2036
01:31:15,160 --> 01:31:16,639
Speaker 4: I think Tim Means is very good in the boxing,

2037
01:31:16,720 --> 01:31:18,439
Speaker 4: but I think he pushes a little bit. I think

2038
01:31:18,520 --> 01:31:21,360
Speaker 4: Kevin Holland's very explosive. I like Kevin Holland by Ko Laid.

2039
01:31:21,360 --> 01:31:23,240
Speaker 4: I think it's gonna be very competitive. And I think

2040
01:31:23,320 --> 01:31:25,880
Speaker 4: Kevin Hollands you to land one of his classic you

2041
01:31:25,960 --> 01:31:28,679
Speaker 4: know counters, not excuse me, kind of one of his straits,

2042
01:31:28,720 --> 01:31:31,120
Speaker 4: and he landed on like Buckley or something second third round.

2043
01:31:31,120 --> 01:31:32,720
Speaker 4: I'm looking at here. But I like Kevin Holland as well.

2044
01:31:33,400 --> 01:31:36,080
Speaker 7: All right, co made event Donald Soroni minus one sixty

2045
01:31:36,120 --> 01:31:38,719
Speaker 7: five Joe Loson plus one forty five. So the line

2046
01:31:38,800 --> 01:31:41,400
Speaker 7: on DraftKings sportsbook right now is pretty similar to what

2047
01:31:41,520 --> 01:31:44,400
Speaker 7: it was back in May when they were initially scheduled

2048
01:31:44,400 --> 01:31:46,200
Speaker 7: to engage. I don't know if you guys remember which

2049
01:31:46,240 --> 01:31:48,200
Speaker 7: way you predicted or if you are going to change,

2050
01:31:48,479 --> 01:31:50,679
Speaker 7: but I'll set it up very quickly. Thirty eighth UFC

2051
01:31:50,840 --> 01:31:53,680
Speaker 7: fight for Seroni. Last win, though, came against Raging Al

2052
01:31:53,760 --> 01:31:56,719
Speaker 7: that was May of twenty nineteen. On the other side,

2053
01:31:56,720 --> 01:31:58,920
Speaker 7: for los On, obviously he hasn't fought in a long time,

2054
01:31:58,960 --> 01:32:01,879
Speaker 7: but the last performance was a good one against Jonathan

2055
01:32:02,000 --> 01:32:05,120
Speaker 7: jsp Pierce that was almost three years ago, and it

2056
01:32:05,280 --> 01:32:10,240
Speaker 7: was fourteen years ago. Well, Kevin Flow absolutely fucking murked

2057
01:32:10,320 --> 01:32:14,719
Speaker 7: him and Broomfield Colorado, Brian Petris, Seroni here Loso.

2058
01:32:16,400 --> 01:32:18,240
Speaker 4: I was hoping you dropped that again because I remember

2059
01:32:18,280 --> 01:32:19,800
Speaker 4: picking this fight and it feels like it was like

2060
01:32:19,920 --> 01:32:22,000
Speaker 4: last week. But I'm not changing my pick. I pick

2061
01:32:22,080 --> 01:32:23,760
Speaker 4: lows On back then, I'm gonna do it again. I'm

2062
01:32:23,760 --> 01:32:26,360
Speaker 4: gonna keep the short and sweet. My reasoning was, Saroni

2063
01:32:26,439 --> 01:32:30,080
Speaker 4: starts slow, lows On starts fast, and you know, so

2064
01:32:30,240 --> 01:32:32,920
Speaker 4: Low's On jumping on him early. I see a TKO happening.

2065
01:32:33,520 --> 01:32:35,320
Speaker 4: I'm glad the USC rebooked this. I don't want to

2066
01:32:35,320 --> 01:32:37,519
Speaker 4: see either of these guys fight anybody else. Besides maybe

2067
01:32:37,560 --> 01:32:40,040
Speaker 4: this legend of vision that we're talking about. So good

2068
01:32:40,080 --> 01:32:41,800
Speaker 4: for the USC for keeping this fight on the books.

2069
01:32:42,320 --> 01:32:43,960
Speaker 4: But yeah, I like Low's on early here, and this

2070
01:32:44,080 --> 01:32:45,840
Speaker 4: is a good live betting. I can't lie bet my state.

2071
01:32:45,920 --> 01:32:47,800
Speaker 4: But if it gets out of the first round, you know,

2072
01:32:47,920 --> 01:32:50,479
Speaker 4: maybe maybe throw someone hedge out on Simoni here. But

2073
01:32:50,640 --> 01:32:52,160
Speaker 4: official pick lows On by TKO.

2074
01:32:52,720 --> 01:32:54,880
Speaker 7: So a lot of our listeners were seven or eight

2075
01:32:54,960 --> 01:32:57,439
Speaker 7: years old when Kenny fought Joe lows On, and so

2076
01:32:57,720 --> 01:32:59,880
Speaker 7: every now and again when I bring up some of Ken,

2077
01:33:01,080 --> 01:33:04,040
Speaker 7: these folks go on the UFC fight Pass and then

2078
01:33:04,120 --> 01:33:05,640
Speaker 7: they see that I just.

2079
01:33:05,680 --> 01:33:09,080
Speaker 4: Saw, yeah, yeah, I saw a comment. The guys like

2080
01:33:09,880 --> 01:33:11,760
Speaker 4: I didn't know Kenny, and they're like, he fo, he's

2081
01:33:11,800 --> 01:33:14,120
Speaker 4: a savage on the thrown bow and arrows, a k

2082
01:33:14,280 --> 01:33:16,760
Speaker 4: cope and Kemp playing with the broken arm, guys, a.

2083
01:33:16,880 --> 01:33:23,519
Speaker 7: Stud can flow. I know it looked like maybe at

2084
01:33:23,520 --> 01:33:25,479
Speaker 7: one point in time you would have fought Donald as well.

2085
01:33:25,560 --> 01:33:27,680
Speaker 7: That did not happen. But Serni or lows On for you.

2086
01:33:28,760 --> 01:33:31,320
Speaker 5: You know, there's a spot in my house that if

2087
01:33:31,400 --> 01:33:33,640
Speaker 5: I get the timing right and I say boo at

2088
01:33:33,680 --> 01:33:36,679
Speaker 5: the right time, I always scare my wife. And that's

2089
01:33:36,720 --> 01:33:38,840
Speaker 5: how I feel like I'm the idiot. Every time you

2090
01:33:38,960 --> 01:33:40,680
Speaker 5: set up a Joe Low's On fight, I feel like

2091
01:33:40,880 --> 01:33:44,040
Speaker 5: you're saying it rise me with my with my fight

2092
01:33:44,120 --> 01:33:49,720
Speaker 5: against them, every single time. Every not laugh, but anyways, unbelievable.

2093
01:33:49,920 --> 01:33:55,160
Speaker 5: I even rewrote it from weeks ago. He always throw

2094
01:33:55,240 --> 01:33:56,400
Speaker 5: me from every time.

2095
01:33:56,640 --> 01:33:57,120
Speaker 3: I love it.

2096
01:33:58,560 --> 01:34:02,040
Speaker 5: Yeah, listen, both these guys have so many fights, man,

2097
01:34:02,200 --> 01:34:04,920
Speaker 5: and I'm sure dealing with some injuries and and you know,

2098
01:34:05,000 --> 01:34:07,760
Speaker 5: some wear and tear over the years. So you know,

2099
01:34:08,400 --> 01:34:12,000
Speaker 5: a fascinating fight again. Serni tends to be a slow starter,

2100
01:34:12,200 --> 01:34:15,560
Speaker 5: los On fast starter. I like that for los On

2101
01:34:15,680 --> 01:34:18,080
Speaker 5: here and from what I hear, Loso has been been

2102
01:34:18,120 --> 01:34:20,360
Speaker 5: training well. He's been training year round. He's been keeping

2103
01:34:20,400 --> 01:34:24,400
Speaker 5: busy both as a coach and as a fighter. And uh,

2104
01:34:24,560 --> 01:34:26,639
Speaker 5: SERRONI I know, has kind of been busy with other things.

2105
01:34:26,680 --> 01:34:28,760
Speaker 5: It seemed like he has his hands in everything. He's

2106
01:34:28,960 --> 01:34:31,479
Speaker 5: filming a movie. I don't know where his focus is

2107
01:34:31,600 --> 01:34:35,000
Speaker 5: right now. I'm hoping he's healthy. I think this could

2108
01:34:35,000 --> 01:34:39,360
Speaker 5: be a fantastic fight for the fans. But I think

2109
01:34:39,439 --> 01:34:43,439
Speaker 5: Losan's gonna come hot and heavy in that early round

2110
01:34:44,240 --> 01:34:46,600
Speaker 5: one and and kind of bring it to Serny and

2111
01:34:46,720 --> 01:34:49,560
Speaker 5: maybe get a stoppage if it goes to distance. I

2112
01:34:49,680 --> 01:34:52,400
Speaker 5: like Serroni's chances, but I think los and Loson has

2113
01:34:52,560 --> 01:34:55,000
Speaker 5: enough to hold him off and at the very least

2114
01:34:55,040 --> 01:34:56,920
Speaker 5: get a decision to win here, all right, Joe los

2115
01:34:56,960 --> 01:34:58,680
Speaker 5: On plus one forty five. Right now, we'll see where

2116
01:34:58,680 --> 01:35:01,000
Speaker 5: it closes and finally are fed weight. Main event could

2117
01:35:01,120 --> 01:35:02,920
Speaker 5: just secure a title shot for the winner. Of course,

2118
01:35:03,000 --> 01:35:05,960
Speaker 5: Yehia Rodriguez Brian Ortega figure to have something to say

2119
01:35:06,040 --> 01:35:09,880
Speaker 5: about that on ABC next month. But fourth rank Calvin

2120
01:35:10,000 --> 01:35:13,080
Speaker 5: Cada minus two twenty five taking on the seventh rank

2121
01:35:13,160 --> 01:35:15,080
Speaker 5: Josh Emmett, who is plus one eighty five. As many

2122
01:35:15,120 --> 01:35:17,479
Speaker 5: of you know, Emmett return from a lengthy injury absence

2123
01:35:18,000 --> 01:35:21,080
Speaker 5: last December. His left leg was just mangled acl and

2124
01:35:21,200 --> 01:35:24,880
Speaker 5: that wasn't everything. He outpointed Dany Gay over three rounds

2125
01:35:25,360 --> 01:35:28,320
Speaker 5: Cater of course in a big way, muting his doubters

2126
01:35:28,360 --> 01:35:30,839
Speaker 5: with that. Main event went over Gigichi Kadz in January.

2127
01:35:30,920 --> 01:35:33,559
Speaker 5: That came on the heels of a year long layoff

2128
01:35:33,600 --> 01:35:36,960
Speaker 5: following the Max Holloway beating that is immortalized behind me

2129
01:35:37,720 --> 01:35:39,880
Speaker 5: Ken Flow lead us off on the main event, Calvin

2130
01:35:39,960 --> 01:35:43,479
Speaker 5: Cater the favorite and pretty pronounced here against Josh Emmon.

2131
01:35:44,120 --> 01:35:45,880
Speaker 5: I love this fight, you know, listen, I think Josh

2132
01:35:45,920 --> 01:35:49,519
Speaker 5: Emmittt is extremely dangerous. I think there's some good value

2133
01:35:49,600 --> 01:35:52,920
Speaker 5: on Josh. Just his power alone makes him a big

2134
01:35:53,000 --> 01:35:55,080
Speaker 5: time problem. He's not an easy guy to take down.

2135
01:35:55,120 --> 01:35:58,439
Speaker 5: He's short, he's stocky, always comes in focused and ready,

2136
01:35:59,280 --> 01:36:02,439
Speaker 5: has a lot of no outs on his record. But

2137
01:36:02,880 --> 01:36:04,839
Speaker 5: I think you know, he's dealt with some hand injuries,

2138
01:36:04,840 --> 01:36:07,960
Speaker 5: He's dealt with some other injuries which has been unfortunate

2139
01:36:08,040 --> 01:36:10,840
Speaker 5: over the years. Curious to see how he comes out

2140
01:36:10,880 --> 01:36:13,559
Speaker 5: for this one. But I think this is Calvin's fight

2141
01:36:13,680 --> 01:36:16,720
Speaker 5: to lose. I was just again blown away by not

2142
01:36:16,840 --> 01:36:19,000
Speaker 5: only his performance in that last fight, but how he

2143
01:36:19,120 --> 01:36:21,960
Speaker 5: came back and how he learned from that fight against Giga.

2144
01:36:22,720 --> 01:36:26,439
Speaker 5: So you know, I'm a little biased here. I've trained

2145
01:36:26,439 --> 01:36:30,960
Speaker 5: with Calvin in the past, and I think that he's

2146
01:36:31,040 --> 01:36:32,800
Speaker 5: a kid that is going to go out there have

2147
01:36:32,960 --> 01:36:35,400
Speaker 5: the right game plan. He's going to fight aggressively. He

2148
01:36:35,520 --> 01:36:37,280
Speaker 5: needs to use his reach and if he is on

2149
01:36:37,400 --> 01:36:42,519
Speaker 5: the inside, use those nasty elbows. Kid, And I think

2150
01:36:43,040 --> 01:36:45,920
Speaker 5: he takes this one here against a very tough Josh Emmont.

2151
01:36:46,320 --> 01:36:48,439
Speaker 5: I think Josh Emmittt might be thirty seven or thirty

2152
01:36:48,479 --> 01:36:50,400
Speaker 5: eight years old, and if he's able to beat Calvin

2153
01:36:50,439 --> 01:36:52,720
Speaker 5: Cator here as a near two to one underdog or

2154
01:36:52,720 --> 01:36:55,840
Speaker 5: about two to one, I think will be five straight

2155
01:36:55,920 --> 01:36:57,519
Speaker 5: wins and you gotta think you hold out for a

2156
01:36:57,600 --> 01:37:00,200
Speaker 5: title shot for Josh Emmon. I don't know, how do

2157
01:37:00,280 --> 01:37:02,040
Speaker 5: you see this man event playing LVP.

2158
01:37:02,720 --> 01:37:05,559
Speaker 4: Banger banger boys. I mean, tough to follow from last night,

2159
01:37:05,640 --> 01:37:07,320
Speaker 4: but I've been on the cater train for a while.

2160
01:37:07,360 --> 01:37:10,000
Speaker 4: I think this kid, specially he's thirty four, and I

2161
01:37:10,280 --> 01:37:12,240
Speaker 4: understand the year off and the Max fights. The Max

2162
01:37:12,280 --> 01:37:13,600
Speaker 4: fight was rough, but I would like to see if

2163
01:37:13,600 --> 01:37:15,800
Speaker 4: he gets a w here to turn and burn, stay healthy,

2164
01:37:15,920 --> 01:37:18,599
Speaker 4: get that shot season because he's right there, he's one

2165
01:37:18,680 --> 01:37:20,880
Speaker 4: or two fighters away. I think the kid's marketable was handsome,

2166
01:37:20,880 --> 01:37:23,840
Speaker 4: he's good looking, he can speak well, and you know,

2167
01:37:24,000 --> 01:37:25,880
Speaker 4: and he's from the City Champions. You boys like that.

2168
01:37:26,000 --> 01:37:27,760
Speaker 4: You know they get the duck boats out of whatever

2169
01:37:27,760 --> 01:37:30,600
Speaker 4: you guys say. But the one thing that impressed me

2170
01:37:30,720 --> 01:37:33,599
Speaker 4: the most is I went back and watched the Max

2171
01:37:33,640 --> 01:37:35,040
Speaker 4: in the Giga fight. In the Giga Fight, I was

2172
01:37:35,080 --> 01:37:37,400
Speaker 4: on Giga. I was very high on Giga and it

2173
01:37:37,560 --> 01:37:39,439
Speaker 4: was a really good fight. And the one thing that

2174
01:37:39,560 --> 01:37:42,479
Speaker 4: he learned from Max cater that is, was when Max

2175
01:37:42,560 --> 01:37:44,560
Speaker 4: hit him and Max pieks him up, he would he

2176
01:37:44,760 --> 01:37:46,479
Speaker 4: was the dog came out of him. He bit his

2177
01:37:46,520 --> 01:37:47,840
Speaker 4: mouth piece down, He's like, I need to get this

2178
01:37:47,880 --> 01:37:49,840
Speaker 4: one back. Made him a little emotional, made him open

2179
01:37:49,920 --> 01:37:51,880
Speaker 4: up a little more and Max pick him apart. In

2180
01:37:51,960 --> 01:37:54,080
Speaker 4: the Giga fight, Giga Land had some good shots and

2181
01:37:54,520 --> 01:37:57,160
Speaker 4: he just stayed calm. He didn't get emotional. He took

2182
01:37:57,200 --> 01:37:58,040
Speaker 4: a patron Max's.

2183
01:37:58,080 --> 01:37:58,200
Speaker 7: Well.

2184
01:37:58,240 --> 01:38:00,400
Speaker 4: Give a look at Max besides the pointing in the

2185
01:38:00,439 --> 01:38:02,160
Speaker 4: middle of the cage when he gets clipped, when he

2186
01:38:02,200 --> 01:38:04,000
Speaker 4: gets hit a lot in his fights, he stays calm.

2187
01:38:04,040 --> 01:38:04,920
Speaker 4: He stays within himself.

2188
01:38:05,120 --> 01:38:06,200
Speaker 3: Dustin Pourier, that's.

2189
01:38:06,040 --> 01:38:08,040
Speaker 4: Another thing that he's really learned in his career as well.

2190
01:38:08,080 --> 01:38:10,680
Speaker 4: He got clipped and put down early. He's a minute like, hey,

2191
01:38:10,720 --> 01:38:12,519
Speaker 4: when I thought Connor both times he hit me hard

2192
01:38:12,520 --> 01:38:14,919
Speaker 4: and I thought he was gonna swarm me. But you regroup,

2193
01:38:15,040 --> 01:38:17,080
Speaker 4: you stay lacked. Instead of biting down and letting that

2194
01:38:17,120 --> 01:38:18,800
Speaker 4: dog out you you kind of calm down and regroup,

2195
01:38:18,880 --> 01:38:20,800
Speaker 4: let your legs get back, let the ears up ringing,

2196
01:38:21,000 --> 01:38:23,160
Speaker 4: and Cater really did that in Jigo fighting dog walk ging,

2197
01:38:23,479 --> 01:38:25,599
Speaker 4: and I did not see that happen. He looked very impressive.

2198
01:38:25,920 --> 01:38:29,920
Speaker 4: Cardi on point, athleticisms, there, powers there and but Joshammosono pump.

2199
01:38:30,000 --> 01:38:32,280
Speaker 4: This guy's got big, big power. Every time I think

2200
01:38:32,280 --> 01:38:33,920
Speaker 4: I'm going to count him out against the Danny Gay

2201
01:38:34,200 --> 01:38:36,400
Speaker 4: or against whoever, because I still think about the Jeremy

2202
01:38:36,400 --> 01:38:38,800
Speaker 4: Stevens fight. Unfortunately, but the guy knocks everyone out.

2203
01:38:38,880 --> 01:38:39,080
Speaker 3: He does.

2204
01:38:39,160 --> 01:38:40,559
Speaker 4: He's got a big, big power. But he is thirty

2205
01:38:40,560 --> 01:38:42,479
Speaker 4: seven and he gets hurt a lot. It's like he fights,

2206
01:38:42,520 --> 01:38:44,040
Speaker 4: he's gone away for a year. He fights, he's gone

2207
01:38:44,040 --> 01:38:46,080
Speaker 4: away for you, So the time is taking. Fortunately, that's

2208
01:38:46,080 --> 01:38:47,920
Speaker 4: obviously not you know, something that he can control with

2209
01:38:47,960 --> 01:38:49,840
Speaker 4: blowing knee out and blowing an arm out or hand

2210
01:38:49,920 --> 01:38:51,920
Speaker 4: or whatever. So the powers on the m side of

2211
01:38:51,920 --> 01:38:53,160
Speaker 4: the Cater, I think is going to be a little

2212
01:38:53,240 --> 01:38:55,880
Speaker 4: more fighting from the outside. I think the X factor

2213
01:38:55,920 --> 01:38:57,400
Speaker 4: here is gonna be the wrestling. We haven't really seen

2214
01:38:57,479 --> 01:38:59,960
Speaker 4: Cater wrestle too too much. I think he has great

2215
01:39:00,400 --> 01:39:02,240
Speaker 4: take time offence and Emmett is a wrestler. He's coming

2216
01:39:02,280 --> 01:39:04,720
Speaker 4: from Team Alpha mel but I like Katie here.

2217
01:39:04,720 --> 01:39:05,360
Speaker 5: It's five rounds.

2218
01:39:05,360 --> 01:39:06,760
Speaker 4: I wish I would get him a little lower out,

2219
01:39:06,800 --> 01:39:08,720
Speaker 4: like minus one fifty five or something, but I'm all

2220
01:39:08,760 --> 01:39:10,680
Speaker 4: over Katy here. I can't go oppositely. Ken Flow, give

2221
01:39:10,720 --> 01:39:12,640
Speaker 4: me Calvinicator all right.

2222
01:39:12,680 --> 01:39:15,960
Speaker 7: The fellas like Calvin Cator. This weekend pretty interesting main event.

2223
01:39:16,200 --> 01:39:18,320
Speaker 7: You could see it on ESPN prelims prior I think

2224
01:39:18,360 --> 01:39:22,000
Speaker 7: on ESPN two at Brian Peatree MMA. If you want

2225
01:39:22,120 --> 01:39:23,960
Speaker 7: more big gun in your life. Great to see your brother.

2226
01:39:24,000 --> 01:39:25,800
Speaker 7: I think we're back in the Sunday slot next week,

2227
01:39:25,840 --> 01:39:29,360
Speaker 7: and obviously we got a stretch of ten consecutive Saturdays

2228
01:39:29,400 --> 01:39:30,880
Speaker 7: with the UFC Live Events. We'll talk to you in

2229
01:39:30,960 --> 01:39:32,080
Speaker 7: less than seven days, my man.

2230
01:39:32,560 --> 01:39:33,679
Speaker 4: Awesome, I'll see you boys.

2231
01:39:34,320 --> 01:39:34,479
Speaker 3: There.

2232
01:39:34,479 --> 01:39:38,439
Speaker 7: He is Brian Petrie with us here on the Anticiploring podcast.

2233
01:39:38,479 --> 01:39:41,960
Speaker 7: You can also check out his show, The MMA Takes Podcast.

2234
01:39:42,520 --> 01:39:45,479
Speaker 7: All right, we have arrived at the Marrow seconds, which

2235
01:39:45,560 --> 01:39:47,920
Speaker 7: means that I am going to go downstairs and probably

2236
01:39:47,960 --> 01:39:50,200
Speaker 7: eat about fifty five hundred calories as soon as this

2237
01:39:50,280 --> 01:39:50,960
Speaker 7: segment is over.

2238
01:39:51,720 --> 01:39:53,760
Speaker 5: It's good to see it, Cody. Good to see you.

2239
01:39:53,840 --> 01:39:55,760
Speaker 6: John. I'm glad the NBA held off for you. You

2240
01:39:55,800 --> 01:39:57,559
Speaker 6: know they weren't about to do that to you last night.

2241
01:39:57,880 --> 01:40:02,120
Speaker 6: Games tonight Celtics are gonna go and I actually think

2242
01:40:02,120 --> 01:40:03,800
Speaker 6: they're gonna lose. But that's neither here.

2243
01:40:03,960 --> 01:40:08,240
Speaker 7: I am going to have a massive four figure wager

2244
01:40:08,360 --> 01:40:10,519
Speaker 7: on the Golden State Warriors tonight to try to purchase

2245
01:40:10,560 --> 01:40:13,280
Speaker 7: a win for the seas. You may get me anxious

2246
01:40:13,360 --> 01:40:17,040
Speaker 7: now here. I was about your New York Rangers venom.

2247
01:40:17,160 --> 01:40:22,960
Speaker 6: You know, I'm telling you, I'm like, they sell out MSG.

2248
01:40:23,160 --> 01:40:25,599
Speaker 6: But I've never heard Rangers fans like they were this year.

2249
01:40:25,640 --> 01:40:28,320
Speaker 6: And I'm like, you got lucky, like you got hot

2250
01:40:28,320 --> 01:40:30,920
Speaker 6: at the wrong time and then he lost to the lightning.

2251
01:40:31,000 --> 01:40:32,479
Speaker 6: Like that's just the long and the short of it.

2252
01:40:32,520 --> 01:40:34,200
Speaker 6: You're not Boston, That's what I'm saying.

2253
01:40:34,560 --> 01:40:35,280
Speaker 5: All right, what what?

2254
01:40:35,479 --> 01:40:35,519
Speaker 1: What?

2255
01:40:37,000 --> 01:40:37,960
Speaker 3: Oh man? I love it?

2256
01:40:38,040 --> 01:40:40,240
Speaker 7: What do you have for us before we bounce on

2257
01:40:40,360 --> 01:40:40,720
Speaker 7: out of here?

2258
01:40:40,800 --> 01:40:43,479
Speaker 6: Kit Well, I would love to see Glover headline MSG.

2259
01:40:43,680 --> 01:40:45,160
Speaker 6: That's what I want to see, Like, just give it

2260
01:40:45,200 --> 01:40:46,240
Speaker 6: to him, just book it, all right?

2261
01:40:46,320 --> 01:40:46,920
Speaker 5: Can I just say so?

2262
01:40:47,200 --> 01:40:49,000
Speaker 7: When Aaron Brown said ter brought that up, I do

2263
01:40:49,200 --> 01:40:52,160
Speaker 7: believe that is the move, right because even though maybe

2264
01:40:52,280 --> 01:40:55,439
Speaker 7: Kenny Glover is in shape, enough and willing and hungry

2265
01:40:55,520 --> 01:40:58,920
Speaker 7: enough to fight like twice more. All he really wants

2266
01:40:59,040 --> 01:41:01,720
Speaker 7: is a chance to fight Madison Square Guard right now.

2267
01:41:02,040 --> 01:41:04,280
Speaker 7: And but I think it's sort of it's asking a

2268
01:41:04,320 --> 01:41:06,840
Speaker 7: lot of him in that moment, a moment after that fight,

2269
01:41:07,000 --> 01:41:09,080
Speaker 7: to say, let's run it back at Madison Square Guard.

2270
01:41:09,080 --> 01:41:10,880
Speaker 7: And I'm sure he's still putting all the pieces together.

2271
01:41:11,680 --> 01:41:14,040
Speaker 7: But I do hope that Glover, you know, tries to

2272
01:41:14,120 --> 01:41:16,120
Speaker 7: sort of advance that narrative in the next few days.

2273
01:41:16,160 --> 01:41:16,679
Speaker 5: Go ahead code.

2274
01:41:17,120 --> 01:41:19,240
Speaker 6: Well, So Kenny and I talked about that before the show,

2275
01:41:19,680 --> 01:41:22,479
Speaker 6: and I said, you gotta just tell him, listen, like

2276
01:41:22,840 --> 01:41:25,680
Speaker 6: you if you win at MSG, you only get one

2277
01:41:25,760 --> 01:41:28,120
Speaker 6: more and we're going to Brazil and we're gonna just

2278
01:41:28,439 --> 01:41:30,719
Speaker 6: blow it out like Glover and Minas.

2279
01:41:31,520 --> 01:41:31,760
Speaker 3: Why not.

2280
01:41:32,000 --> 01:41:35,000
Speaker 7: Yeah, Well, I think he's a little bit lukewarm to it.

2281
01:41:35,120 --> 01:41:36,280
Speaker 7: I think is the only reason.

2282
01:41:36,439 --> 01:41:38,600
Speaker 6: Well, he's an American now, he's more American than he

2283
01:41:38,720 --> 01:41:41,920
Speaker 6: is Brazilian now, right, yeah, maybe maybe not maybe from

2284
01:41:41,960 --> 01:41:43,840
Speaker 6: people from Brazil to have my head for that, But

2285
01:41:44,600 --> 01:41:47,559
Speaker 6: get into the Marrow seconds here, Yanni and jcheck fantastic

2286
01:41:47,680 --> 01:41:52,920
Speaker 6: career first and wins tied with Carla Rose and Tisha

2287
01:41:53,000 --> 01:41:55,560
Speaker 6: are in third with nine, so you feasibly think that

2288
01:41:55,640 --> 01:41:57,559
Speaker 6: those guys are probably gonna take over that number one

2289
01:41:57,600 --> 01:42:01,000
Speaker 6: spot in the flyway or strawweight division. Six title fight wins.

2290
01:42:01,080 --> 01:42:03,360
Speaker 6: Rose has four, She has the longest win streak of

2291
01:42:03,560 --> 01:42:07,320
Speaker 6: all time eight, Karla has six, Janon has six, and

2292
01:42:08,080 --> 01:42:11,080
Speaker 6: Suarez has five. Of the thirty two recorded categories that

2293
01:42:11,080 --> 01:42:13,200
Speaker 6: I spoke about last week for Glover, Yoana is in

2294
01:42:13,240 --> 01:42:15,920
Speaker 6: the top ten of eighteen of those categories, including the

2295
01:42:16,040 --> 01:42:19,519
Speaker 6: number one for takedown defense of all time in the division.

2296
01:42:19,640 --> 01:42:22,800
Speaker 7: So a lot of interesting stuff. That eight fight winning streak,

2297
01:42:22,840 --> 01:42:24,840
Speaker 7: sorry to interrupt, that counts for something, you know. And

2298
01:42:25,360 --> 01:42:27,759
Speaker 7: six and four in UFC title fights, right, she started

2299
01:42:27,840 --> 01:42:30,040
Speaker 7: six and oh in UFC title fights, won the belt

2300
01:42:30,080 --> 01:42:32,280
Speaker 7: defend at five times, and then lost four straight title

2301
01:42:32,360 --> 01:42:34,439
Speaker 7: fights Tudor Rose one to Jeong Wait Lee and of

2302
01:42:34,479 --> 01:42:36,360
Speaker 7: course up a division against Valentino ship.

2303
01:42:36,280 --> 01:42:39,080
Speaker 6: Check and a tough run for att too, I mean,

2304
01:42:39,200 --> 01:42:41,760
Speaker 6: championship wise, just not a very good stretch there. You

2305
01:42:41,760 --> 01:42:43,560
Speaker 6: hope they can get back on the course. But a

2306
01:42:43,720 --> 01:42:47,040
Speaker 6: very interesting stat that I got from Jpetree. J Petree,

2307
01:42:47,040 --> 01:42:48,200
Speaker 6: I don't know how to say his name over at

2308
01:42:48,240 --> 01:42:50,760
Speaker 6: shirt Dog, So you want to walk out to dream On?

2309
01:42:50,920 --> 01:42:52,920
Speaker 6: She usually doesn't walk out to that song. The second

2310
01:42:52,960 --> 01:42:55,160
Speaker 6: time she's walked out to the second time, she's lost.

2311
01:42:55,479 --> 01:42:57,760
Speaker 6: When fighters walk out to the song dream On, they

2312
01:42:57,800 --> 01:43:01,120
Speaker 6: only win twenty five percent of the time. Something worth

2313
01:43:01,160 --> 01:43:03,320
Speaker 6: thinking about there, Big Stephen Tyler fan he's got a

2314
01:43:03,360 --> 01:43:07,479
Speaker 6: house in Lake Sunapee. Uh but yeah, not a good

2315
01:43:07,560 --> 01:43:10,000
Speaker 6: walkout song if you're picking. So word to the wise.

2316
01:43:10,040 --> 01:43:10,760
Speaker 4: There fucking let me.

2317
01:43:10,800 --> 01:43:13,120
Speaker 7: He didn't think you were getting a Lake Sunapy reference

2318
01:43:13,200 --> 01:43:13,400
Speaker 7: on the.

2319
01:43:13,439 --> 01:43:19,160
Speaker 6: Podcast Miracle great movie too, if you want to pop

2320
01:43:19,240 --> 01:43:23,000
Speaker 6: that on Disney Plus. Jerry moves this ninety seven percent

2321
01:43:23,040 --> 01:43:24,600
Speaker 6: finish rate with the finish. He hasn't gone to a

2322
01:43:24,640 --> 01:43:28,360
Speaker 6: card since twenty sixteen. His victory with twenty eight seconds

2323
01:43:28,400 --> 01:43:31,120
Speaker 6: left is the fifth latest stoppage in UFC history, and

2324
01:43:31,280 --> 01:43:33,880
Speaker 6: unfortunately for Glover, he's the only fighter to ever lose

2325
01:43:33,960 --> 01:43:37,080
Speaker 6: twice in the fifth round of a UFC fight. Wow,

2326
01:43:37,800 --> 01:43:40,600
Speaker 6: so legendary. And that lost column too as well, So

2327
01:43:40,760 --> 01:43:43,040
Speaker 6: that's more power to him. Give him the MSG fight

2328
01:43:43,040 --> 01:43:46,200
Speaker 6: as the guys just makes records. John, you were you're

2329
01:43:46,240 --> 01:43:48,160
Speaker 6: on the road, you know, seemingly every weekend, but this

2330
01:43:48,240 --> 01:43:52,120
Speaker 6: one was tough. Boca Ratona, Singapore's ten four ninety seven miles.

2331
01:43:53,040 --> 01:43:55,720
Speaker 6: That's one in nine tenths times as long as the

2332
01:43:55,760 --> 01:43:56,559
Speaker 6: Great Wall of China.

2333
01:43:57,640 --> 01:43:57,840
Speaker 3: Wow.

2334
01:43:57,880 --> 01:43:59,680
Speaker 6: All right, that's two and a half times as long

2335
01:43:59,720 --> 01:44:00,800
Speaker 6: as the Amazon River.

2336
01:44:01,840 --> 01:44:02,040
Speaker 9: Wow.

2337
01:44:02,640 --> 01:44:05,000
Speaker 6: The pretenders would have to walk five hundred miles almost

2338
01:44:05,080 --> 01:44:09,880
Speaker 6: twenty one times. Yeah, get to you, oh man uh

2339
01:44:10,040 --> 01:44:14,120
Speaker 6: And that's tough, right, And it just comes around. If

2340
01:44:14,160 --> 01:44:17,360
Speaker 6: you've watched your Mother, it just comes back around. Last

2341
01:44:17,400 --> 01:44:19,880
Speaker 6: but not least. Uzman Edwards is official for UFC two

2342
01:44:19,880 --> 01:44:21,960
Speaker 6: seventy eight. It's relevant to this program because as we

2343
01:44:22,040 --> 01:44:25,599
Speaker 6: know Blah Mohammed top five UFC Walter wait, hopefully going

2344
01:44:25,640 --> 01:44:27,479
Speaker 6: to be some fights happening now in that division now

2345
01:44:27,520 --> 01:44:31,840
Speaker 6: that that's booked. You know, similar to most people in

2346
01:44:31,880 --> 01:44:34,280
Speaker 6: the UK, maybe lean Edwards stated today he doesn't know

2347
01:44:34,320 --> 01:44:38,040
Speaker 6: where Utah is, so you know America too, and oh

2348
01:44:38,160 --> 01:44:40,559
Speaker 6: against the UK and wars now going to be three

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Speaker 6: and oh and geography, I guess according to that, So Edwards,

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Speaker 6: where Utah is? Either, by the way, unless you're Mormon.

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Speaker 6: If your Mormon, you definitely know where Utah is. But yeah,

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Speaker 6: I might want to learn yourself up Leon. If you're

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Speaker 6: going to go there and I'll be I'll be interested

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Speaker 6: to see if that fight happens. It's coming up soon.

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Speaker 6: Who's mind off the hand history Hindri? Who knows if

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Speaker 6: he's at full So if you're a UFC welterweight, I'd

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Speaker 6: be ready. That's all I'm gonna say.

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Speaker 7: I like that good stuff, Cody, And if you are

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Speaker 7: going to Utah, not a great place for out alcoholics. Incidentally,

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Speaker 7: sometimes hard to get a drink out there, but it

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Speaker 7: is beautiful. I mean I went there for the Yeah

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Speaker 7: You're Rodriguez Alex Caserra's main event back in twenty sixteen,

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Speaker 7: is That's God's country. It is absolutely gorgeous. And I

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Speaker 7: think Leon's going to know where Utah is shortly. But

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Speaker 7: I'm glad he's getting the title fight, and certainly for

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