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Speaker 1: From UFOs to psychic powers and government conspiracies. History is

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Speaker 1: riddled with unexplained events. You can turn back now or

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Speaker 1: learn the stuff they don't want you to know. A

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Speaker 1: production of iHeart Radio.

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Speaker 2: Hello, welcome back to the show. My name is Matt,

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Speaker 2: my name is Noah.

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Speaker 3: They call me Ben. We're joined as always with our

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Speaker 3: super producer Dyland, the Tennessee pal Fagan. Most importantly, you

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Speaker 3: argue you are here and that makes this the stuff

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Speaker 3: they don't want you to know. Let's all pause for

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Speaker 3: a moment and give ourselves a sniff, a sniff test.

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Speaker 3: How are we smelling? Guys? How we smell.

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Speaker 2: Fresh out of the shower? Baby? Say the little perfumeish

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Speaker 2: going on?

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Speaker 4: Did you put some of those pheromones on? I did

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Speaker 4: some of the musk. Since then you have described.

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Speaker 2: Directly into my pits otherwise.

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Speaker 3: From your crevassist the Australia, make sure it happens. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: and I still smell like an airplane. Do with that

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Speaker 3: what you will, folks, Uh jet fuel? No, the inside

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Speaker 4: Okay? Cool?

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Speaker 3: The passenger part. We've all encountered someone who, for one

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Speaker 3: reason or another, doesn't smell amazing and we're not. Look,

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Speaker 3: we're not better than anybody else. We're not immune to this.

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Speaker 3: Either after a workout or enough time without a shower

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Speaker 3: or toothbrush encounter. Pretty much everybody acquires some kind of

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Speaker 3: not entirely pleasant odor. I got to ask is, without

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Speaker 3: pulling out specifics, what's the weirdest smell you've ever encountered

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Speaker 3: from a person, a stranger, or a loved one, Like

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Speaker 3: the weirdest not pleasant smell.

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Speaker 4: That's a very personal question.

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Speaker 2: Then it's weird once you've had kids, because you know,

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Speaker 2: the kids make all the stuff that has the smells

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Speaker 2: when they're little, tiny babies, and you just kind of

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Speaker 2: you either get used to it or you know you're

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Speaker 2: gonna be vomiting in your mouth a little bit every while.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, a combination of the two. You know, they're not

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Speaker 5: mutually exclusive. We're not very pervious.

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Speaker 2: I don't know. Children smells are a thing.

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Speaker 5: I'm currently slung up with a little tiny puppy named Apollo,

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Speaker 5: and he was described to me as smelling like cotton candy.

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Speaker 5: I don't think I smell that, but who am I

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Speaker 3: Maybe you guys have different brands of cotton candy, you know,

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Speaker 3: what I mean. I wonder if there's barbecue cotton candy.

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Speaker 3: I wonder if there's flavored cotton candy. An idea would

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Speaker 4: Tejine, cotton candy.

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Speaker 2: Ben, what is the strangest smell you've ever smelled on somebody?

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Speaker 3: A sickly sweet medicinal aroma in a not quite cotton candy,

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Speaker 3: but cloying would say, and very strong. This wasn't in

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Speaker 3: this country, but it did fill up the bus we

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Speaker 3: were traveling on to the point where other people on

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Speaker 3: was this one elderly gentleman in the back and had

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Speaker 3: a conversation with him. Don't know what happened to him,

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Speaker 3: but we had to have that conversation outside because this aura,

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Speaker 3: his old factory aura, was so pervasive that it filled

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Speaker 3: up the bus. So it had really have medical condition, That's.

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Speaker 4: What I was gonna say, Man, I have I can't.

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Speaker 5: I'm spacing on the name, and they're probably multiple, but

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Speaker 5: I have heard of certain medical conditions causing someone to

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Speaker 5: have kind of a perma smell.

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Speaker 4: And I'm trying to think. I think it was like

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Speaker 4: a plot point. I know what it was. It was

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Speaker 5: Paul Giamatti Christmas movie that I'm forgetting the name of,

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Speaker 5: where he's like a kind of a curmudgeonly professor, came

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Speaker 5: out a couple years ago. It's like very hal Ashby,

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Speaker 5: kind of seventies, very good, and his character has this

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Speaker 5: condition where he's constantly smelly, and it comes up a

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Speaker 5: lot in terms of how it affects his social life.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that's rough. Actually, we have an update from Dylan

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Speaker 3: on this. That film is The Leftovers, Thank you, Tennessee.

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Speaker 4: Very good.

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Speaker 5: If you're into seventies movies like Harold and Maude, I

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Speaker 3: And this is a weird conversation. Always we are not doctors,

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Speaker 3: but I think we can all agree that what constitutes

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Speaker 3: a bad smell can be culturally dependent and in most cases,

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Speaker 3: thankfully unpleasant aromas can be easily addressed. But how far

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Speaker 3: While we were creating our earlier episode on human pheromones,

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Speaker 3: we ran into an incredibly strange question, which is this,

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Speaker 5: I mean, people always talk about the smell of death,

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Speaker 4: Right, but is this a step further than that, I

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Speaker 3: Here are the facts smell, the good, the bad, the ugly.

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Speaker 3: First things first, let's get it out there. Let's just

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Speaker 3: all be honest with each other together in this digital

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Speaker 3: room tonight. Earth kind of stinks, you, guys. Not always

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Speaker 3: in a bad way. It's just there's a lot of

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Speaker 2: There's a lot of stuff going on, guys. Look at

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Speaker 2: all the plant life around you, especially here in the

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Speaker 2: many trees and different kinds of trees and plants that

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Speaker 2: the smells of nature are generally considered pleasing. But I

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah, as Georgia Sagalum. I'm familiar with that. Matt.

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Speaker 3: Did you ever see the Mitchell and web sketch about

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Speaker 3: Queen Victoria? Yeah, yes, Okay, we're audios, So Matt's given

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Speaker 3: the best thought here, Nola. Are you familiar with that one?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, for sure, Big Mitchell and Webman.

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Speaker 2: Everything go out and watch that one if you haven't

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Speaker 3: Yes, yeah, yeah, well actually we'll probably each independently rewatch

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Speaker 3: it after this. What a banger. Yeah, The earth is filled.

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Speaker 3: Wherever you go in the natural environment, the earth is

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Speaker 3: filled with countless small molecules of odor that are responsible

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Speaker 3: millions and millions of receptor neurons that sit on a

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Speaker 2: And also think about that doggo that's currently sitting on

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Speaker 4: Hasn't happened yet, I haven't caught away. Well, yeah, I've

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Speaker 2: Well, what I mean is your dog is catching a

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Speaker 5: Does blow my mind sometimes how they're not just constantly overwhelmed,

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Speaker 4: So smell.

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Speaker 3: Everything's got the new car smell.

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Speaker 4: It's true, it's true.

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Speaker 5: He does do this funny thing though, where he'll like

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Speaker 5: and it's like re scared of you, which is cute

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Speaker 3: There's a lot of stuff going on, you know, and

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Speaker 3: dogs treat smell the way that humans treat site. It

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Speaker 3: is their primary way of experiencing the world, which makes

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Speaker 3: them interesting for a conversation later this evening anyway, Long

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Speaker 3: story short, These receptor cells catch wind of these molecules

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Speaker 5: Yeah, or even like you know, to the previous episode

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Speaker 2: Yeah, this is one of the reasons a lot of

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Speaker 2: There's a combination of a lot of these different molecules, right,

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Speaker 3: Right exactly.

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Speaker 3: novel on this remembrance of things past. Your brain is

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Speaker 3: and scientists call this olfaction associated memory. Cubans right now

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Speaker 3: can recognize about ten thousand different odors, which sounds like

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Speaker 3: a lot until we think about how many other smells

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Speaker 5: But it reminds me of the term sickly sweet people

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Speaker 4: Man, I appreciate that.

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Speaker 3: Kind of like New York described in spells. We'd love

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Speaker 4: Yeah, man, maybe a little horse manure if you're near

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Speaker 2: My favorites.

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Speaker 3: Alright, Well, more lemon bars for you guys.

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Speaker 2: I have a specific memory event well we'll get into it,

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Speaker 3: But that's the thing. It's it's somewhat arbitrary. It's case

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Speaker 3: If someone was around a lemon bar when something terrible

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Speaker 5: This party sucks, Ben, I have a feeling right again

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Speaker 2: Time just to say, on lemons for a second, I

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Speaker 4: But you can still strewn around Atlantic.

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Speaker 3: Are you traveling back there now?

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Speaker 3: Lemon pepper wet rules the day. It does taste better

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Speaker 5: Yes, it is apparently at its best made with dried

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Speaker 3: So this also shows us that old factory associated memory

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Speaker 4: You'll see you'll see mark my words.

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Speaker 5: But y'all, sharks can smell blood in concentrations as low

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Speaker 2: just when your heart stops beating or when your brain

440
00:25:00,320 --> 00:25:05,879
Speaker 2: stop sending certain electrical signals anymore, or is it something else?

441
00:25:06,840 --> 00:25:07,080
Speaker 4: Right?

442
00:25:07,359 --> 00:25:12,720
Speaker 3: Yeah, humans don't really know the spiritual, philosophical, or consciousness

443
00:25:12,760 --> 00:25:17,480
Speaker 3: based aspects of the dying process, but humans have an

444
00:25:17,560 --> 00:25:23,960
Speaker 3: increasingly solid understanding of the physical process, and even without smell, right,

445
00:25:24,000 --> 00:25:27,760
Speaker 3: even in this post COVID or long COVID world, humans

446
00:25:27,800 --> 00:25:32,160
Speaker 3: can generally tell what another person is dead. I think

447
00:25:32,200 --> 00:25:36,280
Speaker 3: that's fair, but there's still mistakes. I think maybe a

448
00:25:36,320 --> 00:25:42,119
Speaker 3: better question is can humans smell impending death? Can you

449
00:25:42,160 --> 00:25:47,879
Speaker 3: sense medical conditions that could lead to a mortality event?

450
00:25:48,720 --> 00:25:51,119
Speaker 3: Have you, guys ever had this experience? Have you ever

451
00:25:51,440 --> 00:25:57,679
Speaker 3: caught a whiff of someone's aroma or their secretions to

452
00:25:57,840 --> 00:26:02,520
Speaker 3: use the ferromonic term, and then thought, something's wrong with

453
00:26:02,560 --> 00:26:03,119
Speaker 3: this person.

454
00:26:04,960 --> 00:26:09,439
Speaker 5: I've heard it described like in fiction and you know

455
00:26:09,840 --> 00:26:10,639
Speaker 5: TV and film.

456
00:26:11,160 --> 00:26:13,760
Speaker 4: I don't want to say, like in the show.

457
00:26:13,640 --> 00:26:17,560
Speaker 5: Deadwood, like there there's a doc character and he sometimes

458
00:26:17,600 --> 00:26:20,440
Speaker 5: refers to like the Reek of Putrification, or I think

459
00:26:20,480 --> 00:26:23,800
Speaker 5: there's a because the plot line where the saloon owner

460
00:26:23,880 --> 00:26:27,600
Speaker 5: Al Swearingen has really really really really crazy bad kidney

461
00:26:27,600 --> 00:26:32,080
Speaker 5: stones and like his urine has a smell of blood

462
00:26:32,240 --> 00:26:35,159
Speaker 5: because of you know, what's happening in his body. And

463
00:26:35,240 --> 00:26:38,800
Speaker 5: that maybe is a little bit more general than what

464
00:26:38,840 --> 00:26:42,000
Speaker 5: you're describing, but it is not something I've ever personally experienced.

465
00:26:42,359 --> 00:26:43,280
Speaker 3: I think that counts.

466
00:26:43,760 --> 00:26:48,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, I've had multiple family members in hospice, and it's

467
00:26:48,119 --> 00:26:51,439
Speaker 2: difficult for me to know whether I was smelling something

468
00:26:51,560 --> 00:26:55,399
Speaker 2: specific about what they were going through individually, or if

469
00:26:55,440 --> 00:26:58,680
Speaker 2: what I smelled was, you know, a part of the

470
00:26:58,720 --> 00:27:01,280
Speaker 2: care that they had to go through, you know, where

471
00:27:01,320 --> 00:27:05,040
Speaker 2: they're being cleaned and taken to the bathroom and all

472
00:27:05,080 --> 00:27:07,119
Speaker 2: that other stuff, and like, is it a combination of

473
00:27:07,160 --> 00:27:10,720
Speaker 2: that stuff or is it actually something emanating from a

474
00:27:10,760 --> 00:27:14,440
Speaker 2: loved one, you know that smells of them passing soon.

475
00:27:15,320 --> 00:27:18,960
Speaker 3: Right, Yeah, And you've hit upon one of the big

476
00:27:19,080 --> 00:27:25,919
Speaker 3: questions here, because first, in the hospice situation, as the

477
00:27:26,000 --> 00:27:30,240
Speaker 3: four of us all unfortunately know, the hospice situation can

478
00:27:30,359 --> 00:27:33,480
Speaker 3: make it difficult to isolate a smell to a specific

479
00:27:33,560 --> 00:27:38,879
Speaker 3: person because there are so many people who are going

480
00:27:38,960 --> 00:27:43,040
Speaker 3: through some very difficult things, right, and the cleaning regimen

481
00:27:43,280 --> 00:27:50,280
Speaker 3: of the hospice is going to make some noise, smell wise,

482
00:27:50,280 --> 00:27:53,159
Speaker 3: some olfactory noise, so it can be very difficult to

483
00:27:53,200 --> 00:27:55,800
Speaker 3: kind of cut through the noise and figure out this

484
00:27:55,840 --> 00:27:59,359
Speaker 3: is what's happening to this person in particular. But we

485
00:27:59,480 --> 00:28:02,480
Speaker 3: do know when a person approaches the end of their

486
00:28:02,520 --> 00:28:06,400
Speaker 3: life and death is looming on the horizon, the body

487
00:28:07,400 --> 00:28:13,399
Speaker 3: starts shutting down slowly. The you know, it doesn't shut

488
00:28:13,440 --> 00:28:18,520
Speaker 3: down all at once. Pretty often, unless there's a super traumatic,

489
00:28:18,880 --> 00:28:23,280
Speaker 3: sudden injury, your body will start closing down multiple systems

490
00:28:23,320 --> 00:28:26,840
Speaker 3: and internal processes or processes if you want to put

491
00:28:26,840 --> 00:28:30,480
Speaker 3: a tie on it, and those shutdowns each can produce

492
00:28:31,000 --> 00:28:34,639
Speaker 3: distinct smells. You were saying, No, the change in the

493
00:28:34,680 --> 00:28:39,080
Speaker 3: smell of urine, right, I actually had. I was that

494
00:28:39,240 --> 00:28:44,400
Speaker 3: stranger a couple times, once where I violated the social

495
00:28:44,480 --> 00:28:47,480
Speaker 3: compact and asked someone to go to a doctor that

496
00:28:47,600 --> 00:28:50,120
Speaker 3: I a person I didn't know from a can of paint.

497
00:28:50,520 --> 00:28:54,080
Speaker 5: Because we also know that you have some sensitivities to

498
00:28:54,160 --> 00:28:56,920
Speaker 5: certain smells in your general life. So I do wonder

499
00:28:56,920 --> 00:29:00,920
Speaker 5: if maybe you might be blessed with the powers of

500
00:29:01,000 --> 00:29:04,840
Speaker 5: smell beyond you know, the average the average folks.

501
00:29:04,880 --> 00:29:07,960
Speaker 3: Oh, I'll tell you who is. No, uh, this is

502
00:29:08,080 --> 00:29:10,800
Speaker 3: a bit of trivia. I think it's okay for us

503
00:29:10,840 --> 00:29:14,360
Speaker 3: to disclose on air. But you guys, remember when we

504
00:29:14,560 --> 00:29:19,600
Speaker 3: learned that none other than our own Jerry Roland is

505
00:29:19,640 --> 00:29:21,280
Speaker 3: what's called a super taster.

506
00:29:21,840 --> 00:29:27,520
Speaker 5: Supertaster have to impact smell since they're so linked.

507
00:29:27,560 --> 00:29:34,600
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, So if Jerry's kids ever tried to sneak cigarettes.

508
00:29:34,920 --> 00:29:36,520
Speaker 3: She's gonna bust them so quickly.

509
00:29:37,360 --> 00:29:41,400
Speaker 5: No, Mama Jerry will bring down the iron fist of

510
00:29:41,520 --> 00:29:42,440
Speaker 5: judgment upon them.

511
00:29:43,320 --> 00:29:46,200
Speaker 3: There are other things that can affect what we will

512
00:29:46,280 --> 00:29:52,080
Speaker 3: call the smell of death. Infections from injuries, right, necrosis

513
00:29:52,120 --> 00:29:55,920
Speaker 3: of your tissue, changes in bowel and fece smell. That's

514
00:29:55,960 --> 00:30:01,400
Speaker 3: when you know your digestive process isn't firing on all cylinders.

515
00:30:01,720 --> 00:30:04,720
Speaker 3: And then the build up of waste that a healthy

516
00:30:04,760 --> 00:30:09,360
Speaker 3: body would normally take care of, producing ammonia as a

517
00:30:09,480 --> 00:30:10,480
Speaker 3: very distinct smell.

518
00:30:10,960 --> 00:30:13,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, and failing kid in these that's how you get

519
00:30:12,960 --> 00:30:16,000
Speaker 2: the urine smell when you're like, WHOA, something is off

520
00:30:16,040 --> 00:30:16,680
Speaker 2: there and.

521
00:30:17,160 --> 00:30:19,920
Speaker 5: A darker color I'm not mistake and that can be

522
00:30:20,000 --> 00:30:22,680
Speaker 5: a bad sign and often accompanied by a stronger smell.

523
00:30:22,840 --> 00:30:26,560
Speaker 3: And if your bubble this is so specific talking from

524
00:30:26,600 --> 00:30:30,040
Speaker 3: experience here, if the bubbles in your urine are not

525
00:30:30,880 --> 00:30:35,360
Speaker 3: popping quickly, like if they're not too fizzlicious and they're

526
00:30:35,400 --> 00:30:38,960
Speaker 3: taking too long, it may mean that there is possibly

527
00:30:39,040 --> 00:30:42,960
Speaker 3: blood in your urine or something worth getting looked at. Again,

528
00:30:43,000 --> 00:30:44,280
Speaker 3: we're not doctors.

529
00:30:44,240 --> 00:30:46,800
Speaker 5: Also, y'all, to just to take the opportunity every chance

530
00:30:46,800 --> 00:30:50,000
Speaker 5: I get to quote Josh Clark, our buddy from stuff

531
00:30:50,000 --> 00:30:50,520
Speaker 5: you should know.

532
00:30:50,800 --> 00:30:53,479
Speaker 4: Your poop should resemble a rope y s.

533
00:30:55,240 --> 00:30:58,920
Speaker 5: Thanks Josh, just say hey, we're talking about keeping an

534
00:30:58,960 --> 00:31:00,000
Speaker 5: eye on your body feet.

535
00:31:00,760 --> 00:31:02,840
Speaker 3: That's one to look out for as well. And happy

536
00:31:02,920 --> 00:31:06,040
Speaker 3: belated birthday, Josh. May or poops always be a rope

537
00:31:06,280 --> 00:31:09,520
Speaker 3: s indeed from your friends, it's stuff they don't want

538
00:31:09,560 --> 00:31:12,160
Speaker 3: you to know. Don't make that face back. We're getting

539
00:31:12,200 --> 00:31:12,920
Speaker 3: away with this one.

540
00:31:13,640 --> 00:31:15,480
Speaker 2: Shooting ropes into a toilet.

541
00:31:16,600 --> 00:31:19,520
Speaker 4: Not ropes. Don't shoot ropes, not how we shoot ropes. Man,

542
00:31:20,000 --> 00:31:23,040
Speaker 4: Ropes are different. That's shooting es is something very different.

543
00:31:23,200 --> 00:31:27,480
Speaker 3: What oh wait, oh I just now got it different.

544
00:31:29,520 --> 00:31:31,280
Speaker 4: It's a different fluid entirely.

545
00:31:32,840 --> 00:31:34,360
Speaker 3: Nature is beautiful.

546
00:31:37,080 --> 00:31:40,200
Speaker 4: Spider Man from your nether regions.

547
00:31:40,240 --> 00:31:44,760
Speaker 3: With apologies to everybody listening with their family. Yes, this

548
00:31:44,920 --> 00:31:47,720
Speaker 3: is on top of all these other common odors, you know,

549
00:31:47,880 --> 00:31:51,480
Speaker 3: like bad breath or sweat, the stuff that will naturally

550
00:31:51,520 --> 00:31:54,520
Speaker 3: accrete if you are not super mobile or you're not

551
00:31:54,640 --> 00:31:58,240
Speaker 3: capable of being as hygienic as you usually would be.

552
00:31:59,640 --> 00:32:02,360
Speaker 3: Breath is a huge indicator, and just like we talked

553
00:32:02,360 --> 00:32:07,040
Speaker 3: about with pheromones, it's really difficult to study breath. I

554
00:32:07,080 --> 00:32:11,480
Speaker 3: will also add, since we apply critical thinking to conspiracies,

555
00:32:12,160 --> 00:32:15,240
Speaker 3: what do you guys think about the idea that holatosis

556
00:32:15,440 --> 00:32:17,720
Speaker 3: was made up to sell mouthwash?

557
00:32:17,920 --> 00:32:19,600
Speaker 4: I mean, it's certainly real.

558
00:32:19,800 --> 00:32:21,680
Speaker 5: If you don't brush your teeth, then you get kind

559
00:32:21,720 --> 00:32:25,240
Speaker 5: of this like kind of poop poo smell. Like it's

560
00:32:25,360 --> 00:32:26,840
Speaker 5: very much a real thing. I don't know that it's

561
00:32:26,840 --> 00:32:28,920
Speaker 5: a condition though, is.

562
00:32:28,880 --> 00:32:31,760
Speaker 2: It howlatosis was made up? Right? But the concept of

563
00:32:31,800 --> 00:32:34,240
Speaker 2: having a ton seal stone or something like that, I

564
00:32:34,240 --> 00:32:34,840
Speaker 2: mean that's.

565
00:32:34,680 --> 00:32:38,840
Speaker 5: Real, absolutely, and and it's a kind of companying smell. Yeah,

566
00:32:38,960 --> 00:32:41,280
Speaker 5: I guess I didn't realize that the term was more

567
00:32:41,280 --> 00:32:43,000
Speaker 5: of a marketing ploy, but it makes sense.

568
00:32:43,240 --> 00:32:45,600
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think they needed a name to hang it on.

569
00:32:45,720 --> 00:32:49,080
Speaker 3: There's a great article in the Smithsonian from back in

570
00:32:49,160 --> 00:32:53,720
Speaker 3: twenty fifteen by Laura Clark how holatosis became a medical

571
00:32:53,760 --> 00:32:58,760
Speaker 3: condition with a cure, that breath always existed, it just

572
00:32:58,880 --> 00:32:59,920
Speaker 3: wasn't monetized.

573
00:33:00,400 --> 00:33:03,840
Speaker 2: Yeah. Well, thank goodness they did monetize it, because I

574
00:33:03,920 --> 00:33:06,080
Speaker 2: enjoy everybody going around with minty fresh breath.

575
00:33:07,320 --> 00:33:07,719
Speaker 4: You know what.

576
00:33:07,840 --> 00:33:10,280
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm not even the biggest fan of mint it's

577
00:33:10,400 --> 00:33:13,160
Speaker 3: just better than the alternative. You know what I mean.

578
00:33:13,320 --> 00:33:14,640
Speaker 3: It's it's better than.

579
00:33:15,160 --> 00:33:16,360
Speaker 2: Coffee and cigarettes.

580
00:33:17,160 --> 00:33:19,160
Speaker 4: Yeah, okay, breakfast and champions.

581
00:33:19,200 --> 00:33:22,280
Speaker 5: Also check out a water pick if you're a floss averse,

582
00:33:22,440 --> 00:33:25,080
Speaker 5: a water pick is a great alternative and it will

583
00:33:25,360 --> 00:33:27,920
Speaker 5: just using it a couple of times, you know, a week,

584
00:33:28,080 --> 00:33:30,720
Speaker 5: it will definitely go a long way and you will

585
00:33:30,760 --> 00:33:33,160
Speaker 5: smell that smell that we're talking about. If you need

586
00:33:33,200 --> 00:33:35,200
Speaker 5: to use a flaw situation and you have not.

587
00:33:36,840 --> 00:33:41,760
Speaker 3: That. Yeah, the smell of someone on the way to

588
00:33:41,880 --> 00:33:46,280
Speaker 3: the grave can still exist no matter what kind of

589
00:33:46,920 --> 00:33:51,640
Speaker 3: sanitary regimen that individual has, and from what we've seen

590
00:33:51,640 --> 00:33:57,120
Speaker 3: in research, generally, the smells of someone who are on

591
00:33:57,200 --> 00:34:01,200
Speaker 3: the way from this mortal veil they become more distinct

592
00:34:01,280 --> 00:34:05,240
Speaker 3: and noticeable towards the last one to two weeks of life,

593
00:34:05,760 --> 00:34:09,200
Speaker 3: and those smells can improve, but they can also worsen

594
00:34:09,760 --> 00:34:14,319
Speaker 3: depending on a number of factors. Caretakers who are some

595
00:34:14,400 --> 00:34:18,000
Speaker 3: of you know a lot of caretakers are just unsung heroes.

596
00:34:18,360 --> 00:34:20,760
Speaker 3: They don't get paid enough. They go above and beyond.

597
00:34:21,120 --> 00:34:23,520
Speaker 3: They do their best to mitigate some of these odors.

598
00:34:23,920 --> 00:34:28,120
Speaker 3: But as a person reaches the end of their life,

599
00:34:28,239 --> 00:34:34,080
Speaker 3: the smells will inevitably worsen. A change in smell is

600
00:34:34,760 --> 00:34:38,680
Speaker 3: actually one of the big flags to a lot of caretakers.

601
00:34:39,000 --> 00:34:43,000
Speaker 3: You know, you've attuned yourself to a person's body for

602
00:34:44,280 --> 00:34:48,920
Speaker 3: months or years and then something changes. That is a

603
00:34:48,960 --> 00:34:51,759
Speaker 3: flag for you, and a lot of caretakers take that

604
00:34:51,920 --> 00:34:52,600
Speaker 3: very seriously.

605
00:34:54,080 --> 00:35:01,239
Speaker 2: Yeah, when sepsis sets in, it's not long from them. Yeah.

606
00:35:01,400 --> 00:35:04,000
Speaker 3: And the thing is all of this that we've described,

607
00:35:04,080 --> 00:35:08,000
Speaker 3: these are all very real things. They're all case by case.

608
00:35:08,719 --> 00:35:12,080
Speaker 3: There's a lot of proven science here. But this is

609
00:35:12,120 --> 00:35:16,120
Speaker 3: not necessarily the smell of death itself. It's the spell

610
00:35:16,239 --> 00:35:22,400
Speaker 3: of things associated with troubling medical conditions. One question that

611
00:35:22,440 --> 00:35:25,720
Speaker 3: we started asking was why do so many people encounter

612
00:35:26,320 --> 00:35:31,479
Speaker 3: this intense visceral reaction near the diet, Like you walk

613
00:35:31,520 --> 00:35:35,560
Speaker 3: into a hospital. We all know, unfortunately, as Nola is saying,

614
00:35:35,560 --> 00:35:39,360
Speaker 3: the smell of hospitals. Uh somewhere after three am.

615
00:35:39,440 --> 00:35:45,680
Speaker 6: Oh my god, Oh my gosh, they got to me,

616
00:35:46,760 --> 00:35:49,960
Speaker 6: They got to us all, buddy, oh man.

617
00:35:50,360 --> 00:35:53,279
Speaker 3: But I think you're on the money there, because it

618
00:35:53,360 --> 00:35:58,080
Speaker 3: is such a universal experience for people. You can walk

619
00:35:58,160 --> 00:36:02,120
Speaker 3: in and you can feel that death is nearby, even

620
00:36:02,160 --> 00:36:05,080
Speaker 3: if you don't know the person who is passing or

621
00:36:05,120 --> 00:36:08,879
Speaker 3: you can't see them. There's something about being in proximity

622
00:36:10,120 --> 00:36:14,240
Speaker 3: to death that puts so many people on edge. Maybe

623
00:36:14,239 --> 00:36:18,880
Speaker 3: it's memory. Maybe we just have these unpleasant associations in

624
00:36:18,920 --> 00:36:23,560
Speaker 3: the past. But could that account for everything or could

625
00:36:23,560 --> 00:36:27,640
Speaker 3: there be a deeper mechanism at play. What do you

626
00:36:27,680 --> 00:36:30,799
Speaker 3: say we take a break for a word from our sponsors. Yes,

627
00:36:36,600 --> 00:36:41,440
Speaker 3: all right, we've returned. Let's introduce to the stage now.

628
00:36:41,880 --> 00:36:43,640
Speaker 3: Something called putra sine.

629
00:36:44,280 --> 00:36:50,120
Speaker 2: Mmm, putra sine a four carbon alkaline alpha omega diamine.

630
00:36:50,680 --> 00:36:56,120
Speaker 5: I mean alpha omega alpha omega diamine. It's the beginning

631
00:36:56,160 --> 00:37:03,080
Speaker 5: and the end scene also sounds like a Futurama product.

632
00:37:03,320 --> 00:37:04,279
Speaker 4: I don't know what it does.

633
00:37:04,920 --> 00:37:08,200
Speaker 3: I was also thinking of it feels like it would

634
00:37:08,239 --> 00:37:13,640
Speaker 3: be a band that has the black metal graphic font

635
00:37:13,840 --> 00:37:18,280
Speaker 3: on a T shirt, you know, like possible to read. Yeah,

636
00:37:18,440 --> 00:37:20,920
Speaker 3: it would be something's got to metal.

637
00:37:21,000 --> 00:37:21,200
Speaker 2: Guy.

638
00:37:21,560 --> 00:37:25,600
Speaker 3: Oh, you like Future Scene? Name three of their previous

639
00:37:25,640 --> 00:37:26,360
Speaker 3: bass players.

640
00:37:26,719 --> 00:37:30,800
Speaker 5: I couldn't possibly Future Scene have died under mysterious circumstances.

641
00:37:30,920 --> 00:37:36,080
Speaker 2: I bet you like decarboxylation too, man, right, Oh you

642
00:37:36,160 --> 00:37:36,960
Speaker 2: like brittalism?

643
00:37:37,239 --> 00:37:38,920
Speaker 3: Name three concrete examples.

644
00:37:39,160 --> 00:37:42,400
Speaker 4: But oh yeah, what's your favorite carcass song? Is it

645
00:37:42,520 --> 00:37:44,640
Speaker 4: manifestation of varicos urethra?

646
00:37:47,280 --> 00:37:50,880
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's right. Yeah, I'm a fan. We are fun

647
00:37:51,000 --> 00:37:55,760
Speaker 3: at parties. It does appear that there is a deeper

648
00:37:55,960 --> 00:37:59,640
Speaker 3: mechanism at play. If the smell of death does exist

649
00:37:59,680 --> 00:38:03,200
Speaker 3: for humans, it may well be attributed to putre scene.

650
00:38:03,280 --> 00:38:08,880
Speaker 3: In twenty fifteen, there was a fascinating study that delved

651
00:38:09,040 --> 00:38:09,600
Speaker 3: into this.

652
00:38:10,400 --> 00:38:16,920
Speaker 5: Researchers Arenault Wisman and Elan Schrirah, Wow, okay, that's correct. Shrira,

653
00:38:17,760 --> 00:38:20,920
Speaker 5: a psychologist University of Kent and a behavioral scientist at

654
00:38:20,960 --> 00:38:25,839
Speaker 5: Arkansas Tech University, respectively, delved into this very mystery. In

655
00:38:25,880 --> 00:38:29,960
Speaker 5: their study, The Smell of Death Evidence and puture scene

656
00:38:30,239 --> 00:38:33,719
Speaker 5: illicits threat management mechanisms, which in and of itself could

657
00:38:33,760 --> 00:38:38,280
Speaker 5: be a death metal song. They found that this excretion,

658
00:38:38,480 --> 00:38:41,760
Speaker 5: the substance putre scene, a chemical compound emitted by fatty

659
00:38:41,760 --> 00:38:45,239
Speaker 5: acids breaking down when dead tissues decay, is a hardwired,

660
00:38:45,640 --> 00:38:49,280
Speaker 5: old factory threat indicator, like what we were talking about earlier,

661
00:38:49,480 --> 00:38:52,200
Speaker 5: Certain things that kind of like hip your brain to

662
00:38:52,320 --> 00:38:56,920
Speaker 5: an impending negative situation, similar to how some other organisms

663
00:38:56,960 --> 00:38:59,399
Speaker 5: secrete alarm pheromones.

664
00:38:58,800 --> 00:39:01,239
Speaker 4: Which we talked about our previous episode.

665
00:39:01,320 --> 00:39:03,960
Speaker 5: So in the study, they conducted four separate tests that

666
00:39:04,080 --> 00:39:08,120
Speaker 5: exposed people to putre sine. They found time and time

667
00:39:08,280 --> 00:39:12,160
Speaker 5: and time again that people encountering this substance were edgy,

668
00:39:12,560 --> 00:39:16,520
Speaker 5: were stressed, were under duress. Just sensing it created a

669
00:39:16,560 --> 00:39:22,320
Speaker 5: cognitive reaction that related to a fight or flight mechanism.

670
00:39:22,360 --> 00:39:24,960
Speaker 2: This isn't used in smelling salts, is it? Or one

671
00:39:25,000 --> 00:39:29,440
Speaker 2: of those things that make you just go, you know,

672
00:39:29,640 --> 00:39:34,000
Speaker 2: adrenaline into action. It looks like it's not a common

673
00:39:34,280 --> 00:39:37,200
Speaker 2: additive or ingredient in smelling salts that are available, at

674
00:39:37,280 --> 00:39:42,279
Speaker 2: least commercially. That would just be alcohol and ammonia, which

675
00:39:42,400 --> 00:39:46,400
Speaker 2: many of us lovingly know as cat pep. But you know,

676
00:39:46,600 --> 00:39:50,040
Speaker 2: or at least the scent of it, the loft of

677
00:39:50,160 --> 00:39:52,160
Speaker 2: the cat pep, it is oppressive.

678
00:39:52,280 --> 00:39:55,239
Speaker 4: Yeah, the litterbox napal one percent.

679
00:39:55,920 --> 00:39:59,400
Speaker 5: I do wonder though, if putre scene has any interesting

680
00:39:59,480 --> 00:40:02,280
Speaker 5: uses for Maybe some folks from that death metal community

681
00:40:02,360 --> 00:40:04,120
Speaker 5: might want to like bottle it up and sell it

682
00:40:04,160 --> 00:40:05,120
Speaker 5: as a scent.

683
00:40:05,560 --> 00:40:09,320
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, you know. On that note, there does seem

684
00:40:09,400 --> 00:40:15,560
Speaker 3: to be an opportunity in the market for repellent fragrance

685
00:40:16,880 --> 00:40:22,319
Speaker 3: alarm warning go away kind of stuff. I'm interested to

686
00:40:22,400 --> 00:40:26,120
Speaker 3: see the research DARPA over to you. Okay, guys, so

687
00:40:26,280 --> 00:40:27,080
Speaker 3: hop too on that.

688
00:40:28,000 --> 00:40:29,480
Speaker 2: Sprinkle it all around the bunker.

689
00:40:30,000 --> 00:40:34,200
Speaker 3: Sprinkle it all around. Please. If you are a high

690
00:40:34,320 --> 00:40:37,640
Speaker 3: level diplomat and you're going to have a difficult conversation,

691
00:40:38,239 --> 00:40:42,600
Speaker 3: just slap some of that on your pits because they'll

692
00:40:42,600 --> 00:40:44,960
Speaker 3: say he has to get out of the room. So

693
00:40:45,280 --> 00:40:48,359
Speaker 3: in this trial, this is interesting. So they have these

694
00:40:48,400 --> 00:40:52,040
Speaker 3: four different tests that we're describing. In one trial, they

695
00:40:52,080 --> 00:40:56,319
Speaker 3: have sixty people open a jar. Open the jar and

696
00:40:56,360 --> 00:40:59,040
Speaker 3: snarf it, give it a huff. Some of these people

697
00:40:59,560 --> 00:41:03,719
Speaker 3: encounter or ammonia smelling salts. It's a gross but not

698
00:41:03,840 --> 00:41:10,120
Speaker 3: terrifying odor. Others met the smell of putracine or met

699
00:41:10,160 --> 00:41:14,480
Speaker 3: the molecules of puture scene. And afterwards they sit in

700
00:41:14,520 --> 00:41:17,400
Speaker 3: front of a screen, these participants and they have to

701
00:41:17,480 --> 00:41:21,160
Speaker 3: stare at the screen until a red dot randomly and

702
00:41:21,360 --> 00:41:27,279
Speaker 3: unpredictably appears. The folks who huffed putre scene were consistently

703
00:41:27,440 --> 00:41:31,359
Speaker 3: quicker to react to clock and identify the dot, and

704
00:41:31,400 --> 00:41:35,239
Speaker 3: this indicates to the scientists that something about encountering this

705
00:41:35,400 --> 00:41:40,400
Speaker 3: smell makes people more vigilant. It's a weird performance.

706
00:41:39,800 --> 00:41:44,160
Speaker 2: Buff That's so strange because the the the ammonia in

707
00:41:44,239 --> 00:41:47,120
Speaker 2: spelling salt is meant to do the same thing, right,

708
00:41:47,400 --> 00:41:50,480
Speaker 2: that's the theoretical use of those is to take a

709
00:41:50,560 --> 00:41:53,799
Speaker 2: huff and then go work out or then go you know,

710
00:41:53,880 --> 00:41:56,400
Speaker 2: fighting in the octagon and that kind of thing. Like,

711
00:41:57,080 --> 00:41:59,640
Speaker 2: I mean really like that's what they're use because it

712
00:41:59,680 --> 00:42:02,960
Speaker 2: gets your drone pumping, and it theoretically makes you ready

713
00:42:03,000 --> 00:42:05,799
Speaker 2: for war or ready to take on anything that's coming

714
00:42:05,840 --> 00:42:06,160
Speaker 2: at you.

715
00:42:06,600 --> 00:42:07,160
Speaker 4: Dude.

716
00:42:07,200 --> 00:42:09,359
Speaker 5: Not to keep harping on the death metal stuff, but

717
00:42:09,400 --> 00:42:14,120
Speaker 5: I distinctly remember this this feature in Spin magazine back

718
00:42:14,120 --> 00:42:16,160
Speaker 5: in the day when I was like a teenager about

719
00:42:16,200 --> 00:42:18,839
Speaker 5: the Norwegian black metal scene, and there was this one

720
00:42:18,960 --> 00:42:22,360
Speaker 5: dude who had this like dead crow carcass that he

721
00:42:22,480 --> 00:42:24,360
Speaker 5: kept in a bag and he would huff a whiff

722
00:42:24,400 --> 00:42:27,120
Speaker 5: of it before every show and he described it as

723
00:42:27,120 --> 00:42:29,880
Speaker 5: getting the putrification of death in his nostrils and it

724
00:42:29,880 --> 00:42:32,000
Speaker 5: would give him like a pump, a pumped up kind

725
00:42:32,040 --> 00:42:35,040
Speaker 5: of vibe to perform, to perform the metals.

726
00:42:35,480 --> 00:42:38,160
Speaker 2: Well, thinking about this experiment and then the way they're

727
00:42:38,200 --> 00:42:41,319
Speaker 2: testing it with that red dot, you guys, what does

728
00:42:41,360 --> 00:42:44,640
Speaker 2: that make you think about just identifying a red dot in.

729
00:42:44,719 --> 00:42:48,880
Speaker 3: Darkness, Oh right, like eyes of predators.

730
00:42:49,160 --> 00:42:51,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's what it makes me think about it at least.

731
00:42:51,239 --> 00:42:55,000
Speaker 2: So then I imagine, you know this need, this evolutionary

732
00:42:55,080 --> 00:42:57,480
Speaker 2: need to be able to look out into you know,

733
00:42:57,520 --> 00:43:00,279
Speaker 2: the forest or something and just pick out when set

734
00:43:00,320 --> 00:43:03,719
Speaker 2: of eyes is illuminated by the fire or something because.

735
00:43:03,520 --> 00:43:06,560
Speaker 3: You've smelled the carcass, which means a predator may be nearby.

736
00:43:06,920 --> 00:43:10,520
Speaker 3: Also shout out to that reference the name of the

737
00:43:10,600 --> 00:43:14,160
Speaker 3: musician you're talking about. No, what like the stage name

738
00:43:14,480 --> 00:43:18,320
Speaker 3: was actually dead that's from the band Mam, Yeah.

739
00:43:18,120 --> 00:43:21,680
Speaker 4: That's right from Ayem. Yeah, I remember Spooky Dude, I

740
00:43:21,719 --> 00:43:22,439
Speaker 4: remember too.

741
00:43:22,560 --> 00:43:26,920
Speaker 3: Like, it makes it makes sense that future scene would

742
00:43:26,960 --> 00:43:33,839
Speaker 3: elicit this instinctual, unconscious reaction. And you know, we have

743
00:43:33,880 --> 00:43:36,279
Speaker 3: to wonder how much more testing can be done here.

744
00:43:36,719 --> 00:43:40,319
Speaker 3: There is another weird test they did, by the way,

745
00:43:40,320 --> 00:43:42,240
Speaker 3: and I think you're on the money, Matt, with the

746
00:43:42,280 --> 00:43:46,960
Speaker 3: concept of predator identification. So we said they have four studies.

747
00:43:47,120 --> 00:43:51,320
Speaker 3: In two more of these experiments on a university campus,

748
00:43:51,760 --> 00:43:57,279
Speaker 3: they randomly stopped something like one hundred ish people. So

749
00:43:57,360 --> 00:44:00,360
Speaker 3: a guy walks up to you and they say, do

750
00:44:00,400 --> 00:44:03,719
Speaker 3: you have time to help us out. We'll do it.

751
00:44:03,880 --> 00:44:05,040
Speaker 2: I really got to get a class.

752
00:44:05,080 --> 00:44:08,360
Speaker 3: But yeah, okay, okay, yeah, it's just real quick. Okay,

753
00:44:08,600 --> 00:44:12,120
Speaker 3: so will you uh, will you start? Will you lean

754
00:44:12,200 --> 00:44:15,279
Speaker 3: into this jar and just huff it real quick? It's

755
00:44:15,360 --> 00:44:17,320
Speaker 3: it's fine, we work for the college.

756
00:44:17,520 --> 00:44:18,600
Speaker 2: Can you only live once?

757
00:44:21,560 --> 00:44:22,960
Speaker 4: Dom?

758
00:44:23,239 --> 00:44:23,759
Speaker 2: I gotta go?

759
00:44:24,120 --> 00:44:25,880
Speaker 3: Could you describe always walking away?

760
00:44:26,239 --> 00:44:26,840
Speaker 4: I was running.

761
00:44:27,239 --> 00:44:29,279
Speaker 3: He's right, okay, get the next one, Get the next one,

762
00:44:29,320 --> 00:44:33,560
Speaker 3: ted ted, get the next one. That's literally what happened.

763
00:44:33,920 --> 00:44:37,880
Speaker 3: They went up to people with these jars, uh, and

764
00:44:38,000 --> 00:44:40,680
Speaker 3: some of these jars had puture scene, and they asked

765
00:44:40,760 --> 00:44:43,839
Speaker 3: random folks to huff from the jar, and just like

766
00:44:43,920 --> 00:44:49,080
Speaker 3: you so beautifully depicted Matt, after snarfing the future scene,

767
00:44:49,360 --> 00:44:53,920
Speaker 3: people walked away faster than the folks who had smelled ammonia.

768
00:44:54,880 --> 00:44:58,080
Speaker 3: And still the folks who smelled ammonia were properly thinking,

769
00:44:58,480 --> 00:45:01,680
Speaker 3: you guys are what I have to go to poly

770
00:45:01,880 --> 00:45:03,840
Speaker 3: side in four minutes.

771
00:45:04,640 --> 00:45:07,080
Speaker 2: This is not cool. This is not cool.

772
00:45:08,800 --> 00:45:11,759
Speaker 3: It's also a moment to ask, I mean, you're a

773
00:45:11,800 --> 00:45:15,400
Speaker 3: college student, and portrayed that so well, Matt, what would

774
00:45:15,400 --> 00:45:20,719
Speaker 3: you what would we do if a random person came

775
00:45:20,840 --> 00:45:23,640
Speaker 3: up to you and asked you to huff from an

776
00:45:23,719 --> 00:45:24,839
Speaker 3: unidentified jar.

777
00:45:26,719 --> 00:45:30,439
Speaker 2: You just I think you walk away before you hear

778
00:45:30,600 --> 00:45:31,520
Speaker 2: the whole thing out.

779
00:45:32,200 --> 00:45:33,680
Speaker 4: I don't think. I don't think I give him time

780
00:45:33,680 --> 00:45:34,760
Speaker 4: to give me the full spiel.

781
00:45:35,080 --> 00:45:38,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, there's an episode of Radio Rental that just came

782
00:45:38,640 --> 00:45:42,719
Speaker 2: out recently where there's a story about jars filled with

783
00:45:42,840 --> 00:45:46,080
Speaker 2: the stuff in them. It was like a true story.

784
00:45:47,920 --> 00:45:51,160
Speaker 2: This reminder to go listen to Radio Rental you a chance,

785
00:45:51,160 --> 00:45:54,880
Speaker 2: because you'll hear real stories like about this. But guys,

786
00:45:55,280 --> 00:45:58,399
Speaker 2: I didn't know that future scene is, at least from

787
00:45:58,440 --> 00:46:03,919
Speaker 2: what I'm reading, a solid which is cross to think

788
00:46:03,960 --> 00:46:07,280
Speaker 2: about first of all, But then even worse is thinking

789
00:46:07,320 --> 00:46:11,319
Speaker 2: about cadaverine, which is it's a it's very similar. They

790
00:46:11,360 --> 00:46:14,640
Speaker 2: call it a homologue of future scene, but it is

791
00:46:14,840 --> 00:46:16,400
Speaker 2: like the go.

792
00:46:17,680 --> 00:46:22,759
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's the gag, it's the gunk. Yeah, the uh,

793
00:46:22,960 --> 00:46:24,720
Speaker 3: it's the gushy stuff.

794
00:46:26,040 --> 00:46:33,280
Speaker 4: Oh that is absolutely to be fair.

795
00:46:33,680 --> 00:46:36,520
Speaker 3: But they're talking about different gushy stuff to be to

796
00:46:36,640 --> 00:46:39,440
Speaker 3: be fair as well. Yeah, cadavering, get it, like a

797
00:46:39,480 --> 00:46:44,400
Speaker 3: cadaver da da da da. Puture scene and cadavering are responsible,

798
00:46:44,760 --> 00:46:50,360
Speaker 3: we believe for the odor of putrefying flesh across multiple organisms.

799
00:46:50,680 --> 00:46:55,000
Speaker 3: These were first described by Ludwig Braeger back in eighteen

800
00:46:55,040 --> 00:47:00,880
Speaker 3: eighty five, but science didn't really understand how these molecules

801
00:47:01,080 --> 00:47:05,279
Speaker 3: affected healthy human beings until much much later. So that

802
00:47:05,520 --> 00:47:10,240
Speaker 3: proves to us, yes, death has a smell. In some cases,

803
00:47:10,400 --> 00:47:15,600
Speaker 3: impending death has a smell that other people can clock

804
00:47:16,040 --> 00:47:19,239
Speaker 3: before the dying person can, because it can be very

805
00:47:19,239 --> 00:47:23,200
Speaker 3: difficult to smell yourself, which is just another you know,

806
00:47:23,480 --> 00:47:27,640
Speaker 3: stuff they don't want you to know. Hygiene tip. We're

807
00:47:26,800 --> 00:47:31,520
Speaker 3: not we're not busting anybody's bones here. We're not being judgmental.

808
00:47:31,960 --> 00:47:35,919
Speaker 3: But if you spell yourself, your breath, your body scent,

809
00:47:36,440 --> 00:47:40,839
Speaker 3: and you think it's unpleasant, get these to a washroom.

810
00:47:41,080 --> 00:47:46,320
Speaker 4: Everyone else certainly can't. Yeah, yeah, no question, guys.

811
00:47:46,320 --> 00:47:49,880
Speaker 2: Before we move on to the next stuff, can we

812
00:47:49,920 --> 00:47:52,440
Speaker 2: talk about cadaver dogs really fast?

813
00:47:53,320 --> 00:47:54,760
Speaker 4: Always a fascinating subject.

814
00:47:55,080 --> 00:47:57,359
Speaker 2: We brought them up many times, and as we talked

815
00:47:57,360 --> 00:48:00,480
Speaker 2: about on the top of the show, dogs came just

816
00:48:00,520 --> 00:48:03,439
Speaker 2: have this incredible sense of smell and they can pick

817
00:48:03,440 --> 00:48:07,680
Speaker 2: stuff out and they could be trained pretty easily. It's

818
00:48:07,719 --> 00:48:11,799
Speaker 2: not easy to train a dog to hunt for anything, right.

819
00:48:11,920 --> 00:48:15,640
Speaker 2: A drug sniffing dog cadaverdog anything or you know some

820
00:48:15,800 --> 00:48:18,160
Speaker 2: a dog that hunts for missing persons or things like that.

821
00:48:18,600 --> 00:48:21,879
Speaker 2: But it is easier than training any other animal, and

822
00:48:21,920 --> 00:48:23,600
Speaker 2: you can't train a human to do it because we

823
00:48:23,640 --> 00:48:26,240
Speaker 2: don't have the hardware. So it is kind of cool

824
00:48:26,560 --> 00:48:29,120
Speaker 2: just how it can be done. And just talking there

825
00:48:29,239 --> 00:48:34,520
Speaker 2: about what was that year eighteen eighty five, eighteen eighty five,

826
00:48:35,000 --> 00:48:40,560
Speaker 2: so like eighty years almost before that, the first theoretical

827
00:48:41,080 --> 00:48:44,160
Speaker 2: cadaver dog was born and didn't know it was going

828
00:48:44,200 --> 00:48:47,239
Speaker 2: into action, but it did when it sniffed around an

829
00:48:47,239 --> 00:48:51,600
Speaker 2: old shed and found that a police at the time

830
00:48:51,680 --> 00:48:54,840
Speaker 2: found two dead bodies buried beneath that shed, and it

831
00:48:54,920 --> 00:48:57,760
Speaker 2: was because the dog could just smell something was going

832
00:48:57,800 --> 00:49:02,160
Speaker 2: on in that shed top. Yeah, well after death. So

833
00:49:02,280 --> 00:49:06,719
Speaker 2: this is like smelling future scene and you know, all

834
00:49:06,760 --> 00:49:09,959
Speaker 2: the all the other stuff, all the hits, but again

835
00:49:10,000 --> 00:49:12,320
Speaker 2: but deep underground.

836
00:49:11,800 --> 00:49:13,560
Speaker 5: They don't even have to be fresh though, isn't the

837
00:49:13,600 --> 00:49:15,960
Speaker 5: thing that's There's a plot point in a Curb episode

838
00:49:16,160 --> 00:49:19,520
Speaker 5: where they're opening a restaurant where construction gets delayed because

839
00:49:19,560 --> 00:49:23,440
Speaker 5: of a corpse sniffing dog finds a body buried underneath

840
00:49:23,440 --> 00:49:24,720
Speaker 5: the foundation of the restaurant.

841
00:49:24,760 --> 00:49:26,040
Speaker 4: And they have to dig it up and then do

842
00:49:26,280 --> 00:49:27,759
Speaker 4: you know an investigation.

843
00:49:28,080 --> 00:49:29,520
Speaker 3: Oh, when Larry's coming back?

844
00:49:30,080 --> 00:49:33,280
Speaker 4: Just yeah, he's working with Obama. Obama.

845
00:49:33,440 --> 00:49:36,160
Speaker 3: Well, I think he's doing another season and Curbed too.

846
00:49:36,080 --> 00:49:38,640
Speaker 5: Well, I think it's called curb though there's something else.

847
00:49:38,760 --> 00:49:44,080
Speaker 5: It's a sketch thing. Yeah, like producer. That's what he

848
00:49:44,120 --> 00:49:44,719
Speaker 5: that's what he does.

849
00:49:45,320 --> 00:49:49,080
Speaker 2: Amazing. Well, but guys, I'm sorry, I'm sorry to go

850
00:49:49,560 --> 00:49:53,480
Speaker 2: back here, but just that led down a little rabbit

851
00:49:53,520 --> 00:49:56,080
Speaker 2: hole of the number of human beings that get buried

852
00:49:56,239 --> 00:50:01,719
Speaker 2: underneath a concrete slab or get incorporated into do the structures,

853
00:50:01,840 --> 00:50:07,160
Speaker 2: the concrete structures of buildings. Yes, there's way too much

854
00:50:07,200 --> 00:50:10,080
Speaker 2: stuff out there, way too many stories to even mention

855
00:50:10,280 --> 00:50:16,600
Speaker 2: right now. But this cadaver dogs specifically are the thing

856
00:50:16,680 --> 00:50:19,920
Speaker 2: you can use to find that kind of stuff because

857
00:50:20,000 --> 00:50:23,040
Speaker 2: the depth that a human body can be in a

858
00:50:23,080 --> 00:50:26,400
Speaker 2: state of decomposition is astounding. And then a dog can

859
00:50:26,440 --> 00:50:27,239
Speaker 2: still smell it.

860
00:50:28,640 --> 00:50:34,920
Speaker 3: Yes, absolutely, because they have such phenomenal sensory ability. And

861
00:50:35,360 --> 00:50:38,120
Speaker 3: you know, it brings us back to another point we

862
00:50:38,280 --> 00:50:46,719
Speaker 3: often discover in the widest of conversations. As human technology improves, right,

863
00:50:46,920 --> 00:50:52,880
Speaker 3: and as humans make breakthroughs on technological fronts, civilization just

864
00:50:52,960 --> 00:50:58,480
Speaker 3: gets closer and closer to existing organic mechanisms. Right, You

865
00:50:59,080 --> 00:51:02,759
Speaker 3: can't really like the reason people use cadaver dogs and

866
00:51:02,920 --> 00:51:07,040
Speaker 3: rescue dogs or land mind sensing rats, for example. And

867
00:51:07,360 --> 00:51:09,480
Speaker 3: I'm a huge proponent of that, as you guys know,

868
00:51:10,320 --> 00:51:16,480
Speaker 3: is because these creatures already do things better than the

869
00:51:17,640 --> 00:51:21,120
Speaker 3: mechanisms that people can build. That's a little bit of

870
00:51:21,160 --> 00:51:23,560
Speaker 3: a word salad, but it's an important point, you know.

871
00:51:24,520 --> 00:51:27,719
Speaker 3: We know it gets even weirder, right if we just

872
00:51:27,760 --> 00:51:31,319
Speaker 3: take it back to humans. A lot of these reactions

873
00:51:31,320 --> 00:51:34,400
Speaker 3: that you're going to have to the smell of a

874
00:51:34,480 --> 00:51:37,760
Speaker 3: medical condition or death, they're often going to be sub

875
00:51:38,040 --> 00:51:43,239
Speaker 3: or unconscious. Every time you smell another person, you are

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00:51:43,360 --> 00:51:47,560
Speaker 3: running a low key medical diagnostic on them. You are

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00:51:47,600 --> 00:51:52,080
Speaker 3: making a diagnosis of their what's the fancy word, their

878
00:51:52,160 --> 00:51:56,040
Speaker 3: odor print, you know, like how people have fingerprints, everybody

879
00:51:56,040 --> 00:51:58,839
Speaker 3: has an odor print as well. That was so weird

880
00:51:58,880 --> 00:52:01,719
Speaker 3: to me. I guess it felt more powerful because there

881
00:52:01,800 --> 00:52:03,799
Speaker 3: was a specific word associated.

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00:52:03,960 --> 00:52:05,880
Speaker 5: It's a cool word. It's not just like a little

883
00:52:05,920 --> 00:52:07,160
Speaker 5: catchy buzzphrase, right.

884
00:52:07,480 --> 00:52:11,359
Speaker 3: No, yeah, it is a It is an actual technical term.

885
00:52:11,880 --> 00:52:16,759
Speaker 3: It's a phrase encapsulating the sum of all the aromas

886
00:52:17,080 --> 00:52:21,799
Speaker 3: and individual emits, your breath, your blood, urine A. It's

887
00:52:21,840 --> 00:52:25,960
Speaker 3: a gestaltic snapshot of your age, your sex, your diet,

888
00:52:26,040 --> 00:52:30,360
Speaker 3: your metabolism, and of course your health. And multiple, multiple,

889
00:52:30,680 --> 00:52:35,400
Speaker 3: multiple studies show that people tend to smell more quote

890
00:52:35,480 --> 00:52:39,799
Speaker 3: unquote aversive when they're under the weather, not even when

891
00:52:39,840 --> 00:52:43,880
Speaker 3: you're dying. But sickness can have a smell. Different medical

892
00:52:43,880 --> 00:52:48,480
Speaker 3: conditions can have a smell that repels other people, even

893
00:52:48,600 --> 00:52:53,080
Speaker 3: if they are not aware of it consciously. A few examples.

894
00:52:53,360 --> 00:52:57,280
Speaker 3: Someone with yellow fever can smell like a butcher's shop,

895
00:52:58,239 --> 00:53:01,600
Speaker 3: like meat being chopped. Someone with typhoid can smell like

896
00:53:01,640 --> 00:53:07,000
Speaker 3: baked bread. Folks battling diabetes and we can confirm this

897
00:53:07,040 --> 00:53:11,400
Speaker 3: one firsthand, can smell faintly of rotting apples, and we

898
00:53:11,480 --> 00:53:14,600
Speaker 3: know why. It's because of the acetode released on the breath.

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00:53:15,680 --> 00:53:15,879
Speaker 2: WHOA.

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00:53:17,160 --> 00:53:20,240
Speaker 3: So, even if you're not a super smeller Jerry style,

901
00:53:21,000 --> 00:53:26,319
Speaker 3: you will likely be able to clock these sense and

902
00:53:26,600 --> 00:53:30,080
Speaker 3: everything instinctively inside you, even if you're not aware of it,

903
00:53:30,400 --> 00:53:33,640
Speaker 3: Everything instinctly inside you will be telling you to go away.

904
00:53:34,440 --> 00:53:37,919
Speaker 2: Yeah, you've probably experienced something like this when you've had

905
00:53:37,960 --> 00:53:41,719
Speaker 2: somebody you probably in your family, or a child or

906
00:53:41,760 --> 00:53:44,760
Speaker 2: a parent or something that just has a weird smell

907
00:53:44,760 --> 00:53:47,359
Speaker 2: about them all of a sudden and you notice that, oh,

908
00:53:47,400 --> 00:53:49,880
Speaker 2: they're starting to sneeze a lot, and then they get sick,

909
00:53:50,440 --> 00:53:53,400
Speaker 2: or you encounter someone who has a specific smell and

910
00:53:53,440 --> 00:53:56,960
Speaker 2: it's hard to even place, but it's to me, it's

911
00:53:57,000 --> 00:54:01,239
Speaker 2: the same kind of thing where you're smelling sickness, right,

912
00:54:01,320 --> 00:54:05,640
Speaker 2: You're attuned to sickness, not a specific virus or specific

913
00:54:05,680 --> 00:54:09,600
Speaker 2: infection or something. It's just your body. Your body knows

914
00:54:10,080 --> 00:54:13,160
Speaker 2: and senses, Oh this, I need to stay away from

915
00:54:13,160 --> 00:54:15,080
Speaker 2: this person where they're not going to sneeze on me.

916
00:54:15,760 --> 00:54:16,160
Speaker 4: Mm hmm.

917
00:54:16,480 --> 00:54:19,440
Speaker 3: Exactly. Yes, you can not only smell death, you can

918
00:54:19,480 --> 00:54:24,480
Speaker 3: smell sickness if all your mechanisms are functioning properly. And

919
00:54:24,520 --> 00:54:28,000
Speaker 3: there is a positive note that may surprise several of

920
00:54:28,080 --> 00:54:31,720
Speaker 3: us here in the audience today, when healthy people encounter

921
00:54:31,880 --> 00:54:35,520
Speaker 3: these sick smell signals, which are just kind of the

922
00:54:36,200 --> 00:54:40,480
Speaker 3: part and parcel of the six signals, right, the red eyes,

923
00:54:41,160 --> 00:54:46,040
Speaker 3: staggered movement, sweat and flim that kind of stuff. When

924
00:54:46,080 --> 00:54:49,839
Speaker 3: you encounter those six smell signals, your own body can

925
00:54:49,960 --> 00:54:54,840
Speaker 3: kick into gear and slightly but measurably increase your own

926
00:54:55,000 --> 00:54:59,360
Speaker 3: immune activity. So even if you can't explain it to yourself,

927
00:54:59,719 --> 00:55:03,240
Speaker 3: your body is taking action to protect you. That's person

928
00:55:03,360 --> 00:55:06,200
Speaker 3: smells sick, says your body to itself, but not to

929
00:55:06,239 --> 00:55:09,200
Speaker 3: you consciously. We got to get out of here. Also,

930
00:55:11,320 --> 00:55:13,880
Speaker 3: let's shift up the second gear real quick.

931
00:55:13,920 --> 00:55:18,359
Speaker 2: Yep, to rush away from these guys in their jars.

932
00:55:18,560 --> 00:55:22,799
Speaker 3: These tries. Why oh why did I smell that random jar?

933
00:55:23,120 --> 00:55:25,560
Speaker 3: I've got to stop listening to people just because they're

934
00:55:25,600 --> 00:55:26,800
Speaker 3: wearied lab coats.

935
00:55:27,280 --> 00:55:27,680
Speaker 4: Damn it.

936
00:55:28,880 --> 00:55:31,880
Speaker 3: So there we go. I mean, this is, I guess

937
00:55:32,000 --> 00:55:34,120
Speaker 3: less a case of stuff they don't want you to know,

938
00:55:34,200 --> 00:55:37,240
Speaker 3: a more case of stuff your body knows and doesn't

939
00:55:37,280 --> 00:55:41,800
Speaker 3: bother consciously telling you we owe a lot to Dogs

940
00:55:41,800 --> 00:55:44,600
Speaker 3: are residents, super smellers. They're going to play a big

941
00:55:44,680 --> 00:55:48,920
Speaker 3: role in early detection of medical conditions in the years

942
00:55:48,920 --> 00:55:52,839
Speaker 3: to come. There was actually research on creating an artificial

943
00:55:53,080 --> 00:55:58,200
Speaker 3: dog nose, and it's worthwhile research, but it solves a

944
00:55:58,280 --> 00:56:02,360
Speaker 3: problem humanity doesn't have because we already have dogs. Shout

945
00:56:02,360 --> 00:56:05,160
Speaker 3: out Apollo, who's being so good as we record.

946
00:56:05,160 --> 00:56:08,520
Speaker 4: Very kind of shocking right Oky forgetting he's there.

947
00:56:08,960 --> 00:56:13,640
Speaker 3: So we also have it mentioned false positives. So there

948
00:56:13,680 --> 00:56:16,480
Speaker 3: are times you can smell bad due to something positive,

949
00:56:16,760 --> 00:56:20,120
Speaker 3: like entering ketosis. If you're working out, you're on a

950
00:56:20,160 --> 00:56:24,960
Speaker 3: keto diet, or having a strenuous exercise or sex session,

951
00:56:25,320 --> 00:56:27,160
Speaker 3: you know you're gonna end up with a smell. But

952
00:56:27,400 --> 00:56:30,640
Speaker 3: death and sickness do have a smell. It's an invisible,

953
00:56:31,000 --> 00:56:36,400
Speaker 3: often unconscious, highly sophisticated warning system meant to safeguard the species.

954
00:56:37,480 --> 00:56:40,200
Speaker 3: And as we mentioned, you know a lot of us, unfortunately,

955
00:56:40,239 --> 00:56:43,680
Speaker 3: have firsthand experience with this. If you're comfortable sharing your

956
00:56:43,680 --> 00:56:48,080
Speaker 3: own stories times you have smelled mortality, we'd love to

957
00:56:48,080 --> 00:56:50,400
Speaker 3: hear them. You can send us an email, you can

958
00:56:50,480 --> 00:56:52,239
Speaker 3: give us a call. You can find us on the

959
00:56:52,280 --> 00:56:53,359
Speaker 3: lines that's right.

960
00:56:53,400 --> 00:56:57,040
Speaker 5: You can sniff us out at the handle Conspiracy Stuff,

961
00:56:57,080 --> 00:57:00,840
Speaker 5: where we exist on x FKA, Twitter, on YouTube with

962
00:57:00,920 --> 00:57:01,959
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964
00:57:04,160 --> 00:57:07,200
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965
00:57:07,200 --> 00:57:10,320
Speaker 5: gets crazy. On Instagram and TikTok. However, you'll have to

966
00:57:10,360 --> 00:57:12,719
Speaker 5: smell us at the handle Conspiracy Stuff show.

967
00:57:13,400 --> 00:57:16,280
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968
00:57:16,480 --> 00:57:20,439
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00:57:25,720 --> 00:57:27,760
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972
00:57:29,880 --> 00:57:32,760
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973
00:57:32,800 --> 00:57:35,520
Speaker 2: in word form, why not instead send us an email.

974
00:57:35,720 --> 00:57:38,880
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975
00:57:38,920 --> 00:57:42,120
Speaker 3: we receive. Be well aware, yet out of freid. Sometimes

976
00:57:42,160 --> 00:57:46,800
Speaker 3: the void writes back, please, please, please, folks help us out.

977
00:57:47,680 --> 00:57:51,920
Speaker 3: What on God's green earth is that fake limon chemical?

978
00:57:52,360 --> 00:57:54,000
Speaker 3: I can't get it out of the back of my

979
00:57:54,080 --> 00:57:54,760
Speaker 3: mouth right now.

980
00:57:55,000 --> 00:57:56,880
Speaker 4: It smells like cleaner, floor cleaner.

981
00:57:56,920 --> 00:58:00,280
Speaker 3: But why is it in food? What if you re

982
00:58:00,320 --> 00:58:01,800
Speaker 3: see at iHeartRadio dot.

983
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