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Speaker 1: It is a football Friday Week nine edition, a TuneIn edition.

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Speaker 1: Perhaps welcome bird Gang. On today's show, Zach Gershman joins me,

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Speaker 1: Clayton tune or Kyler Murray probably tune and we'll explain

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Speaker 1: why we think that may be the case. Sunday in Cleveland.

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Speaker 1: Speaking of Cleveland, we'll head into enemy territory and speak

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Speaker 1: with Kelsey Russo. She covers the Browns for Cleveland Browns

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Speaker 1: dot Com. It's Cardinals Cover two, episode six ninety four,

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Speaker 1: and it starts now.

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Speaker 2: Welcome to Cardinals Cover two.

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Speaker 3: Booda Baker?

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Speaker 3: This guy's unbelievable.

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Speaker 3: He's a ten half of five. He's it again so

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Speaker 1: I'm not sure if you're aware of this, and to

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Speaker 1: be honest, I didn't realize it until earlier on Friday,

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Speaker 1: but we are one hundred days away from the Super

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Speaker 1: Bowl in Las Vegas.

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Speaker 3: Yes, I saw Adam Schefter tweeted that out. That's what

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Speaker 3: I saw as well. Yeah, good morning, Good morning Arizona.

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Speaker 3: You're one hundred days from Las Vegas. I mean, it's crazy.

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Speaker 3: This past year Arizona hosted the Super Bowl. I was

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Speaker 3: here for that just as a member of the media

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Speaker 3: with Penn State and to have that experience and then

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Speaker 3: the hometown team with the Eagles and Patrick Mahomes and

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Speaker 3: Andy Reid and the Kelsey Boys just doing everything. It

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Speaker 3: was an incredible A lot of storylines came into play

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Speaker 3: for that one. I mean, we're one hundred days away

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Speaker 3: from even more storylines coming to play.

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Speaker 1: One hundred days sounds like a long time, yet at

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Speaker 1: the same time, it seems like, wow, it's literally right

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Speaker 1: around the corner, meaning this season. We're in week nine

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Speaker 1: this season, in a typical normal sixteen game regular season schedule,

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Speaker 1: halfway through.

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Speaker 3: I mean, thinking about it. We talked about week one

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Speaker 3: though the law firm of pay sweat Young and now

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Speaker 3: that law firm has been demarched true And just to

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Speaker 3: think though, that feels like yesterday, and this season is

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Speaker 3: truly flying by in for a team that's one and seven,

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Speaker 3: it would feel like the season has been very stagnant

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Speaker 3: in a lot of different cases, but there have been

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Speaker 3: so many storylines that have kind of swarmed this team,

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Speaker 3: both positively and negatively. But I think in general, it's

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Speaker 3: been quite incredible to see, at least for my first season,

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Speaker 3: to see how an NFL season truly flies.

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Speaker 1: By speaking of storylines for Cardinals at Cleveland eleven AM

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Speaker 1: on Sunday six thirty AM. Pregame coverage begins a little

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Speaker 1: bit later on here on Cardinals Cover two presented by Hyundai,

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Speaker 1: probably partner of the Arizona Cardinals. We will head into

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Speaker 1: enemy territory and speak with Kelsey Russo, staff rider for

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Speaker 1: Cleveland Browns dot Com. But the main storyline, really the

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Speaker 1: main story line for both teams, is who's going to

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Speaker 1: be QB one. We'll talk about the Browns a little

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Speaker 1: bit later on, but as far as the Arizona Cardinals

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Speaker 1: are concerned, as we record here and speak on this Friday,

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Speaker 1: nothing has been announced officially. We will know though, by

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Speaker 1: one pm Arizona time on Saturday, whether it will be

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Speaker 1: Kyler Murray because he has to be activated by Saturday

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Speaker 1: So as we speak and based off what we have

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Speaker 1: my perspective, z act, nothing has changed over this week

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Speaker 1: gut feeling, we will see Clayton Tune get the start.

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Speaker 3: I don't even think we see Kyler activated, to be honest,

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Speaker 3: I still think it's gonna be Jeff Dresscoll activated from

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Speaker 3: But when you have Miles Garrett busting through the offensive

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Speaker 3: that he plays. He's your franchise quarterback, and the closer

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Speaker 1: The likely scenario is Tune gets to start. You mentioned it, Jeff,

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Speaker 1: And you can correct me if I'm wrong, Zach, because

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Speaker 1: Drew Petsing when he address reporters on Tuesday, probably had

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Speaker 1: the biggest explanation for why this idea that, Okay, Kyler

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Speaker 1: Murray is healthy, just play him. It's not that simple. Yes,

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Speaker 1: he's one hundred percent healthy, but there's a difference between

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Speaker 1: And as Petsing mentioned, based on the number of practice

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Speaker 1: I've been saying now for a while. This is Kyler

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Speaker 3: And obviously Yell Defrohold has already had to snap to

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Speaker 3: He thought it was gonna be Colt McCoy during training camp.

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Speaker 3: Yet, or maybe that they're or maybe they've seen them

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Speaker 3: to be one hundred percent confident, as I said prior,

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Speaker 3: Murray could be able. One of those boxes is how

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Speaker 1: So again, the opinion here on Cardinals cover two without

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Speaker 1: What were the Seahawks doing to make sure that Garrett

436
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Speaker 1: didn't wreck what the Seahawks wanted to do?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, it's a great question. I think they're just the

438
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Speaker 4: way that they're their front their offensive line was playing

439
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Speaker 4: and kind of just really I don't know, like really

440
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Speaker 4: protecting geno and just kind of keeping the Browns from

441
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Speaker 4: being able to break through and penetrate like Miles wasn't

442
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Speaker 4: able to do that and when other games he's been

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Speaker 4: able to do so. And so I think that was

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Speaker 4: kind of the really big element to it all, as

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Speaker 4: it was a really sound front that they were facing

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Speaker 4: and it gave them a lot of challenges.

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Speaker 1: One other note on that Browns defense. Read an article

448
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Speaker 1: on Cleveland Browns dot com about as well as the

449
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Speaker 1: Browns are playing, it's the struggles inside the twenty yard

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Speaker 1: line that red zone issues where the Browns are allowing

451
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Speaker 1: opponents to score almost sixty seven percent of the time.

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Speaker 1: Obviously that's a focus going this week. But what has

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Speaker 1: been the problem for Cleveland when the ball has been

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Speaker 1: inside that red zone?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, Zach' something Jim Swartz talked about today in the

456
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Speaker 4: sense of going back to the run defense and really

457
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Speaker 4: just protecting and against the rush attack. And you know,

458
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Speaker 4: obviously in a in a in the in the red zone,

459
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Speaker 4: the shorter field or close to the end zone, and

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Speaker 4: so they just have to really protect and not mistackles

461
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Speaker 4: and really be on top of their game in the

462
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Speaker 4: red zone because it is just a shorter field, and

463
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Speaker 4: their run defense has to be really solid in those

464
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Speaker 4: moments to protect from guys breaking through, finding that mistackle,

465
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Speaker 4: finding that open hole. They have to be in their

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Speaker 4: gaps and really just working together as a unit to

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Speaker 4: eliminate the run.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, when you have a good defense, you start trying

469
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Speaker 1: to figure out where the holes are. And that's basically

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Speaker 1: the only hole that at least I can see from

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Speaker 1: the outside looking in. As far as what this Cleveland

472
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Speaker 1: Brown's defense is not able to do, at least on

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Speaker 1: a consistent basis, Cardinals have one five straight six to

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Speaker 1: seven over the Browns, whether potentially could be a factor

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Speaker 1: on Sunday. What are you hearing? What are you forecasting here?

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Speaker 1: For those of us coming from Arizona.

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Speaker 4: Well, it is currently really cold here in Ohio and

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Speaker 4: it's forty six. But I think from what I see,

479
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Speaker 4: it's gonna be a little bit warmer, which will be

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Speaker 4: nice and hopefully sunny. So it'll still be a shock

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Speaker 4: for a lot of people from Arizona, but I think

482
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Speaker 4: it'll make for a really nice day of football here

483
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Speaker 4: in Cleveland because it won't be absolutely freezing and so well,

484
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Speaker 4: as long as there is no snow, I think we're

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Speaker 4: going to be a good shape.

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Speaker 1: Eleven am Arizona time is the kickoff on Sunday. Kelsey,

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Speaker 1: appreciate the information. I'd say, good luck this weekend, but

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Speaker 1: how about good luck after this weekend?

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Speaker 4: Sounds good you too.

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Speaker 1: So just looking by the way at what to expect

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Speaker 1: weatherwise on Sunday in Cleveland because there was snow one

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Speaker 1: on the ground earlier in the week. Rain was in

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Speaker 1: the forecast earlier in the week for Sunday, but now

494
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Speaker 1: cloudy skies, temperatures between forty five and fifty four. Rain

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Speaker 1: now not forecast until Monday. So for a Paul Calvic, A,

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Speaker 1: Danny Sirek, A, Chris Melvin and Midia relations all good

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Speaker 1: news for those that have to stand and watch the

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Speaker 1: game from the sideline.

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Speaker 3: Listen, they're gonna, let's going they're on near the jackets.

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Speaker 1: Well, yes, it will be a little bit.

501
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Speaker 3: It gets seventy one degrees out here and people are

502
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Speaker 3: walking around in hoodie and sweatpants. I mean, then again,

503
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Speaker 3: i've you were, I'd begun doing that. I'll enjoy you know,

504
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Speaker 3: ninety and sunny in Tempe, I'll enjoy it.

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Speaker 1: So that's what to expect on Sunday. And funny thing again,

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Speaker 1: that conversation with Kelsey was earlier in the week on Thursday,

507
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Speaker 1: and here on Friday morning, as they touched on earlier

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Speaker 1: on Cardinals Cover two presented by Hundai, proudly partner of

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Speaker 1: the Arizona Cardinals. Will he or won't he? Talking about

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Speaker 1: Deshaun Watson? He will, according to head coach Kevin Stefanski, Watson,

511
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Speaker 1: after being inactive last week and inactive three of the

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Speaker 1: last four weeks because of a shoulder injury, will start

513
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Speaker 1: for the Cardinals or excuse me, yeah, we'll start for

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Speaker 1: the Browns against the Cardinals on Sunday.

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Speaker 3: I'm surprised a little bit because I know he spoke

516
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Speaker 3: earlier in the week and said he kind of jumped

517
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Speaker 3: the gun a little bit in his return and he

518
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Speaker 3: wanted to slow play his recovery back into it. That

519
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Speaker 3: was about two days ago. Apparently he's jumping the gun

520
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Speaker 3: yet again, potentially. Obviously, you hope for the health and

521
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Speaker 3: safety of players all across the league. I definitely think though,

522
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Speaker 3: that it's unique. I feel like the Cardinals have openly

523
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Speaker 3: said they have multiple plans for preparing against multiple quarterbacks

524
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Speaker 3: depending on what it might be Kevin Stefanski eliminated two

525
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Speaker 3: of those plans. He gave the Cardinals their option of

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Speaker 3: what it's going to be, and it's going to be

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Speaker 3: Deshaun Watson who's expected to start. That's a coaching decision

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Speaker 3: right there. I know Johnathan Gannon has no interest in

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Speaker 3: revealing anything because he doesn't want to give that competitive

530
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Speaker 3: advantage over. Cleveland felt so inclined to do so, So

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Speaker 3: thank you, Cleveland.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly, you're kind of wondering why make that announcement

533
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Speaker 1: now you under no obligation to make that on it,

534
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Speaker 1: We're still we want to see how minutes before it's

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Speaker 1: when the Cardinals were going to find out, need to

536
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Speaker 1: see how walkthrough goes, need to see how they wake

537
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Speaker 1: up Sunday morning. But yeah, Deshaun Watson will get the start.

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Speaker 1: PJ Walker, who actually the last time he faced the

539
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Speaker 1: Cardinals back in twenty two twenty one, beat the Cardinals

540
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Speaker 1: when he was with the Carolina Panthers. But Walker will

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Speaker 1: be your backup. And then you got dtr Dorian Thompson Robinson,

542
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Speaker 1: who does have one start under his belt, didn't go

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Speaker 1: well earlier this season. So yeah, a little bit of

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Speaker 1: that planning if we Nick rawlis okay at that announcement

545
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Speaker 1: it's been made on Friday. Well, we have all day Friday,

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Speaker 1: all day Saturday now to just focus on to Shaun Watson.

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Speaker 3: It's definitely going to be a huge I guess, like

548
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Speaker 3: monkey off, they're back in a sense because now they

549
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Speaker 3: don't have to worry. This is the first time all

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Speaker 3: season that the Cardinals had to go into it with

551
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Speaker 3: kind of a question mark surrounding an opposing player. Now

552
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Speaker 3: that question mark has been erased and Nick Rolis is

553
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Speaker 3: going to be able to draw up some schemes. The

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Speaker 3: Cardinals have had a lot of success. I understand that

555
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Speaker 3: pj's ha had that last game where he won against

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Speaker 3: the Cardinals, but the Cardinals have had a lot of

557
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Speaker 3: success against the Cleveland Browns, currently on a five game

558
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Speaker 3: win streak over them dating back to two thousand and seven.

559
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Speaker 3: So they've done a really solid job against Cleveland. It's

560
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Speaker 3: obviously seemed to work down in their favor. Now they

561
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Speaker 3: know who are going to be going against and what

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Speaker 3: they need to do in order to get that six

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Speaker 3: straight win.

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Speaker 1: Watson has excuse me, Watson has started four games this season.

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Speaker 1: He's averaging just about one hundred and seventy one passing

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Speaker 1: yards with four touchdowns. Turnovers have been the real issue

567
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Speaker 1: for whomever has played quarterback for Cleveland and that offense

568
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Speaker 1: overall seventeen giveaways that's the most in the league. Eleven

569
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Speaker 1: of those seventeen interceptions.

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Speaker 3: It definitely has not been turnover for football for them.

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Speaker 3: And for a defense like this that likes to they

572
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Speaker 3: do a really solid job at pass deflections. I would

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Speaker 3: say our Cardinals defense does, so this is going to

574
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Speaker 3: be their opportunity to get their hands on some footballs

575
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Speaker 3: over there and try to try to make some noise

576
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Speaker 3: the defensive line. Despite being dealt a bunch of injuries

577
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Speaker 3: throughout the season, they've done a really solid job getting

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Speaker 3: to the backfield. The cornerbacks. It has not been easy

579
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Speaker 3: for them, but when you have a guys like Buddha

580
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Speaker 3: Baker and Jalen Thompson now back there, it definitely adds

581
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Speaker 3: an extra blanket of security knowing that you have those

582
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Speaker 3: two stars back because they they definitely cover a lot

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Speaker 3: of ground. I know Nick Rlis called Buddha Baker eliminator

584
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Speaker 3: number one and then Jalen Thompson eliminator number two, just

585
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Speaker 3: for the simple fact that they're able to cut up

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Speaker 3: so much grass and make impacts on either side of

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Speaker 3: the field no matter where they are.

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Speaker 1: So the Browns will go with Deshaun Watson. The Cardinals,

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Speaker 1: we anticipate, expects forecasts it will be Clayton Tune and

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Speaker 1: that would be perhaps four rookies starting on offense. That is,

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Speaker 1: if Michael Wilson is okay to go, that is, if

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Speaker 1: Amario de Mercato is good to go, and then that

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Speaker 1: fourth name is Paris Johnson manning the right tackle spot.

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Speaker 1: And I know that's something that you wrote about earlier

595
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Speaker 1: this week on Easycardinals dot Com. Cardinals have twelve rookies

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Speaker 1: on their fifty three man roster. Only three teams have

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Speaker 1: more than that. But it's what those rookies are doing

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Speaker 1: when their name is called. Each one has at a contribution,

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Speaker 1: whether that's a major impact or just a minor impact.

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Speaker 1: But they've all had some kind of an impact on Sundays.

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Speaker 1: There been two that haven't, and it's because they just

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Speaker 1: haven't been given the opportunities. John Gains got injured during

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Speaker 1: the preseason, was on his way to trying to He

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Speaker 1: had a battle there a little bit with Yell defro

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Speaker 1: Hold in the beginning half of camp. Obviously, I think

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Speaker 1: yeldfro Hole kind of separate himself from the pack from

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Speaker 1: being that starting center. But John Gains had a place

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Speaker 1: on this team according to Jonathan Gann and when he

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Speaker 1: announced that Jonathan gane or that John Gains was going

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Speaker 1: to be out for the season. So John Gains is done.

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Speaker 1: But Clayton Tune's been the only other quarterback, the only

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Speaker 1: other rookie on this roster that hasn't had an opportunity

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Speaker 1: to try it out onto the field. Now he could

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Speaker 1: potentially have that opportunity. But from the top down, it's

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Speaker 1: quite impressive. You look at some of these later round

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Speaker 1: picks and you're like, okay, your six round picks. I

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Speaker 1: understand that t trou Clark has not been playing much,

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Speaker 1: but he started a lot of games that played one

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Speaker 1: hundred percent of snaps and a lot of games. Dante

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Speaker 1: Stills has been a menace down on the defensive line

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Speaker 1: and taking advantage of a lot of different opportunities with

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Speaker 1: that injured defensive line of embracing that next man up

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Speaker 1: in mentality. So it's been impressive. And even when the

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Speaker 1: undrafted rookies Starlink Thomas was claimed from Detroit, but he's

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Speaker 1: started a bunch of games and he's done a really

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Speaker 1: solid job out there, and a Mario Demarcatto is solidified

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Speaker 1: himself as RB one with James Connor sideline for at

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Speaker 1: least the next two games. I believe it is so.

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Speaker 3: Overall from the top down, they've done a really solid job,

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Speaker 3: and you could tell that they've earned the respect of

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Speaker 3: a lot of these veteran players as well.

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Speaker 1: Twenty seven starts by first year players, twenty four of

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Speaker 1: those twenty seven starts by the draft class, the most

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Speaker 1: recent draft class, and that's significant because all of last

635
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Speaker 1: year twenty twenty two's draft class twenty two starts total.

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Speaker 3: With Trey McBride being thirteen of them.

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Speaker 1: So already you're seeing the impact. And again we're halfway

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Speaker 1: through twenty twenty three and you already have twenty four

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Speaker 1: starts out of year draft class, twenty seven overall by

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Speaker 1: first year players.

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Speaker 3: I got that stat from you, so I got to

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Speaker 3: give you your flowers for that one. So I appreciate

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Speaker 3: thank you for that one. No, I mean, it's been

644
00:33:05,120 --> 00:33:08,080
Speaker 3: so incredible and so impressive to see how these guys

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Speaker 3: have gone into it, and I think Jeff Rodgers hit

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Speaker 3: on a point that was honestly pretty profound in my opinion.

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Speaker 3: I asked him about Owen Papo and what he's seen

648
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Speaker 3: from him. Owen Papo recovered Matt Prater's on sidekick and

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Speaker 3: the game against the Baltimore Ravens the first and loan

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Speaker 3: on sidekick recovered so far this season. When I spoke

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Speaker 3: to Owen Poe's game, I told him that he's like really,

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Speaker 3: like genuinely was shocked and like you can see the

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Speaker 3: smile on his face because he's been waiting for that

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Speaker 3: moment to make a big time play on a big

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Speaker 3: time stage. Out of everybody in the draft class, he

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Speaker 3: probably's been the only person that has played up until

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Speaker 3: that game that hasn't really been able to make much noise.

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Speaker 3: But he was able to against Baltimore and he was

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Speaker 3: so happy about it. But I think Jeff Rodgers hit

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Speaker 3: on a point that was so interesting when he said,

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Speaker 3: these are guys you're going against. You're going against that

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Speaker 3: have their families on their line, their livelihood, everything about

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Speaker 3: them relies on that grid iron, between those white lines

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Speaker 3: and the one hundred yards down the field. That's where

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Speaker 3: their money is made. That's where they're able to put

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Speaker 3: food on the table for their families. And that's a

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Speaker 3: mindset adjustment for a lot of players, a lot of

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Speaker 3: players playing college in high school and you know Pop

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Speaker 3: Warner for the simple fact that they love the game,

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Speaker 3: but they might not be able to make it their jobs.

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Speaker 3: These guys and these rookies are starting to learn really

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Speaker 3: early on what it takes because you're not just going

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Speaker 3: against somebody in a different helmet. They have a last

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Speaker 3: name on the back of their jersey, and they're trying

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Speaker 3: to make an impact for themselves, for their legacy, for

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Speaker 3: their families. And to see this rookie class adapt to that,

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Speaker 3: Buddha Baker said, the way that they watch film, the

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Speaker 3: way that they prepare their next man out mentality is

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Speaker 3: beyond impressive. So this is just the beginning. And I

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Speaker 3: think with this being Mani Austin for it's first draft,

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Speaker 3: I'm eager to see what Draft number two and Draft

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Speaker 3: number three and so on look like, because if it's

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Speaker 3: anything like this one, the future is looking quite bright.

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Speaker 1: On that subject. As far as your conversation with Jeff Rogers,

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Speaker 1: he also added this about a lot of those rookies

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Speaker 1: that come into the league. Quote, it's foreign from every

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Speaker 1: player that comes into this league to play special teams

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Speaker 1: end quote, because if you're drafted, regardless of whether that's

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Speaker 1: the first round or the seventh round, most are all

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Speaker 1: conference players significance snaps offense or defense, but not used

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Speaker 1: on special teams on the college level because they're too

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Speaker 1: valuable to their specific part of the ball offense or defense.

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Speaker 1: And now here in the NFL, if you're not a

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Speaker 1: first round pick or a second round pick, you're gonna

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Speaker 1: need in order to play offense or defense to stand

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Speaker 1: out on special teams. And it's a brand new experience

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Speaker 1: for a lot of those players. And Rogers mentioned that

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Speaker 1: Owen Pappal came up to his office one day and said,

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Speaker 1: where am I? Where can I get better? What am

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Speaker 1: I doing right? What am I doing wrong? I want

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Speaker 1: to make sure that I have a uniform on being

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Speaker 1: active on Sunday so in the event something happens on defense,

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Speaker 1: I can run out there and play some defense as well.

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Speaker 3: I think it's funny because when I was talking with Owen.

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Speaker 3: Obviously it's very well documented my Penn State ties, but

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Speaker 3: here's the thing that really Yeah, really, I know that's

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Speaker 3: how that one coming. But there was one hit when

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Speaker 3: Penn State played Auburn. He hit now Green Bay Packers

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Speaker 3: backup quarterback Sean Clifford. Sean was scrambling out of the pocket.

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Speaker 3: Owen Papo laid the boom on him, and it was

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Speaker 3: a helicopter hit like I've never seen before. I remember

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Speaker 3: watching with some of my friends and roommates and we

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Speaker 3: all looked at each other's jaw dropped it. That was

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Speaker 3: the most vicious hit I've ever seen. So when I

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Speaker 3: saw his name on the draft board and you see

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Speaker 3: him coming to the Arizona Cardinals, you go into expecting

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Speaker 3: he's going to be a big time linebacker for them.

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Speaker 3: But he's going against some of the best in the NFL.

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Speaker 3: And even though the guys on their team in this

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Speaker 3: locker room are teammates, they're still healthy competition, which is good.

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Speaker 3: You want to be able to fight for yourselves and

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Speaker 3: for your families, as previously alluded to. So for him

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Speaker 3: to go in and to have the maturity to say,

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Speaker 3: all right, I'm gonna embrace this opportunity until I could

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Speaker 3: graduate to the defensive side of the ball and make

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Speaker 3: my name there and make an impact there, as you

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Speaker 3: know he hopes to do. There's a lot of guys

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Speaker 3: that go into it. Ezekiel Turner played a lot of

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Speaker 3: special teams in college. Owen Papo did play a song

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Speaker 3: at Auburn. He was on the kick return, so it

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Speaker 3: makes sense to see him out there. It's it's so

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Speaker 3: impressive to see this rookie class and even second you're

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Speaker 3: a third year players trying to make a name for

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Speaker 3: themselves doing whatever they can on any side of the ball.

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Speaker 1: Can I add another rookie to this impact group?

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Speaker 3: Please do?

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Speaker 1: Zach Gershman stop.

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Speaker 3: You know, it's funny because I was looking back in

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Speaker 3: my first Cover two episode earlier this week because I

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Speaker 3: like to reminisce and.

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Speaker 1: Four halfway into the first season.

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Speaker 3: You know what, It's just it's back in my day,

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Speaker 3: you know, in September, back in July, I mean we

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Speaker 3: were we are in a little like conference room looking

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Speaker 3: thing in the in State Farm Stadium and we are

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Speaker 3: able to put that that first podcast out there, and

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Speaker 3: I remember in the copy we wrote there, like you know,

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Speaker 3: in the Cardinals draft a bunch of rookies and now

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Speaker 3: they have a tenth rookie in Zach Gershman, I'm like, huh,

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Speaker 3: and now you know, now we're here and the rookies

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Speaker 3: trying to make and try to make his name just

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Speaker 3: like the other guys.

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Speaker 1: So far, so good.

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Speaker 2: I'll take that. Thank you.

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Speaker 1: And again that article up on Azcardinals dot com. Although

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Speaker 1: you did not put yourself in that article, you just

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Speaker 1: had the byeline, didn't You didn't think that.

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Speaker 3: I would really be able to just slide a line

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Speaker 3: in there, Slide it in and see if it can't

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Speaker 3: pass the editorial board.

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Speaker 1: I E.

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Speaker 3: Darren Urban Listen, Paris Johnson Junior and Zach Gerson have

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Speaker 3: started eight total games this uit.

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Speaker 1: Probably not Cardinals and the Browns. That is the matchup

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Speaker 1: on Sunday. Here week nine, eleven am is the kickoff

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Speaker 1: six thirty Pregame coverage begins on the Arizona Cardinals Radio Network.

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Speaker 1: Will it be Clayton Tone? Is there a chance it

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Speaker 1: is Kyler Murray? We do know that the Cleveland Browns

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Speaker 1: will start to Shaan Watson. And on that note, we'll

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Speaker 1: put a lid on this edition of Cardinals. Cover two,

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Speaker 1: presented by a Hundai, proud partner of the Arizona Cardinals,

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Speaker 1: has always special thanks to our executive producer Jim Mama Hunter,

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Speaker 1: our associate producer Cody Pincher. For Zach Gershman, I'm Craig.

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Speaker 1: Real'll do. We'll talk to you next time here on

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