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Speaker 1: Mother Knows Dad starring Nicole and Jemmy and Maria qk.

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Speaker 2: Hi.

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Speaker 1: Everyone welcome the mother to his death. On today's episode,

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Speaker 1: we're going to talk about a couple of freak accidents,

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Speaker 1: a woman who incidentally found out that she had advanced

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Speaker 1: cancer the night before her wedding, and diagnosing yourself on TikTok.

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Speaker 1: All that and more on today's episode.

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Speaker 2: So over the weekend, a seventeen month old at Sue

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Speaker 2: America somehow climbed under a fence, made its way over

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Speaker 2: to the wolf enclosure and got injured after sticking their

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Speaker 2: hand through the barrier.

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Speaker 1: So apparently the parents just got charged with this for

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Speaker 1: neglecting their child. They were on their phone or something.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I was gonna say, like, obviously kids could wander

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Speaker 2: and things that happened really fast and everything, but this

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Speaker 2: is totally unacceptable. They said they have enough evidence to

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Speaker 2: show that both of the parents, one of which was

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Speaker 2: forty three the other was sixty one, walk twenty five

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Speaker 2: to thirty feet away from this fence where they're eight

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Speaker 2: or seventeen month old baby climbed under the fence, were

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Speaker 2: sitting on a bench and playing on their phones while

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Speaker 2: this whole thing went down and then by standards had

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Speaker 2: to go get the kid after. They didn't specify exactly

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Speaker 2: what happened. They said it was injured.

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Speaker 1: By the wolf. It bit the kid.

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Speaker 2: Okay, that's what I was wondering, because they said the

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Speaker 2: injury was minor, it wasn't anything crazy, and that wolf

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Speaker 2: wasn't acting aggressive. But you think of like that little

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Speaker 2: chunky hand coming through a fence, and you don't think

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Speaker 2: that looks like attractive to a wolf.

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Speaker 1: It's kind of badass though, to grow up and be

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Speaker 1: like I got bit by a wolf. Yeah, but I

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Speaker 1: still like, listen, we have like a major phone parenting

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Speaker 1: situation happening. Did I tell you we when we went

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Speaker 1: We went to New York last week to see Stranger

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Speaker 1: Things on Broadway. It was the best. There's like this

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Speaker 1: little Italian restaurant right across the street that's really good

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Speaker 1: that we go to whenever we go to a theater.

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Speaker 1: There right, and this mom and her son sat next

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Speaker 1: to us. The mom looked to be around my age.

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Speaker 1: The sun was about I would say, twelve thirteen, fourteen

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Speaker 1: fifteen ish, like around that age, like a young teenager kid.

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Speaker 1: They didn't talk to each other. The entire dinner. They

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Speaker 1: sat right next you know, in New York, the restaurants

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Speaker 1: so close, so they were like right up next to us,

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Speaker 1: and they each played on their phone the entire time

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Speaker 1: and did not say a word to each other the

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Speaker 1: entire dinner. It was like so sad to what is

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Speaker 1: really said. It just was really like I just was like,

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Speaker 1: this is what's happening, And when you look around, it's

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Speaker 1: just like it's like that everywhere we were at we

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Speaker 1: were going to Statue a Liberty and there was like

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Speaker 1: some school trip there and there was all of these

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Speaker 1: benches lined up before you got on the boat, and

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Speaker 1: there were boys that looked like like teenagers maybe seventh, eighth,

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Speaker 1: ninth grade like around there, and every one of them

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Speaker 1: was on their phone and no one was talking to

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Speaker 1: each other. It was it was just like the weirdest

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Speaker 1: thing ever, Like how are you even friends at that point?

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Speaker 1: I don't know, It's just so weird. So anyway, I

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Speaker 1: see it a lot because I go to like a

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Speaker 1: lot of doctor's appointments with one of my kids. That's sick.

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Speaker 1: It's just like you go to these like children's only

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Speaker 1: ones and the parents are just zoned out on their phones,

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Speaker 1: whether kids are just crawling around. But the most upsetting

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Speaker 1: one is when there's not even two siblings that could

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Speaker 1: just sit like too little for a phone, Like a

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Speaker 1: five or six year old that's just sitting there like board, unentertained,

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Speaker 2: Well, yeah, this is kind of what I was trying

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Speaker 2: to touch on. I wrote an article last week for

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Speaker 2: The Grosser Room about social media addiction because we didn't cover.

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Speaker 1: It on this show.

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Speaker 2: But Meta and Google in particular got hit with this

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Speaker 2: kind of groundbreaking lawsuit where this at the time when

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Speaker 2: the lawsuit was filed, a seventeen year old fought a

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Speaker 2: lawsuit against them, claiming that she became addicted to the

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Speaker 2: products such as like Google's YouTube that they own, and

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Speaker 2: she also went after TikTok, Snapchat and then Meta for

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Speaker 2: That's like pennies to these people. It's like doesn't even

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Speaker 2: conversation in the grocery room and I was being very transparent.

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Speaker 2: I don't know if you read my full article I wrote,

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Speaker 2: but I opened it up being like every day I

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Speaker 2: go on Instagram, TikTok, YouTube, like all check all my stuff,

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Speaker 2: and how like pathetic the behavior is. And somebody left

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Speaker 2: a comment on it being like, well, don't worry because

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Speaker 2: you won't have time to when your baby's born, and

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Speaker 2: I'm like, thank god, Like I don't like being like this.

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Speaker 2: It's it's something that is a behavior that I think

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Speaker 2: is unacceptable at my age that I act like that.

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Speaker 2: And obviously it's like a little harder for me to

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Speaker 2: get off too, because a lot of the work we

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Speaker 2: do is on my phone, but it is unacceptable the

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Speaker 2: amount of time I'm on it. I can't wait to

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Speaker 2: seriously cannot.

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Speaker 1: But the thing is is that the addiction part of

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Speaker 1: it is exactly what we're talking about with this story

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Speaker 1: is just like like in regular life, before phone time,

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Speaker 1: it was just like this, what this obviously would have

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Speaker 2: What I'm saying, like, what kind of parent are you

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Speaker 2: that you don't realize your baby, this a seventeen month

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Speaker 2: not with you long enough that it got under a

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Speaker 1: I think, like I think that a lot of people,

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Speaker 1: Like I definitely do feel like I have low grade

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Speaker 1: addiction to the phone, Like I feel like everybody could

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Speaker 1: say that, because I physically have to say to myself,

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Speaker 1: like I've made a decision that when I'm sitting in

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Speaker 1: and just like do it when we're at dinner, for example,

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Speaker 1: like the phones are away, all of them because we

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Speaker 1: need to talk to each other dinner every night. We

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Speaker 1: I have to physically be like I'm doing this and

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Speaker 1: the same thing what you're saying in the morning, like

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Speaker 1: I wake up in the morning and if it's five o'clock,

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Speaker 1: five point fifteen. I make a a time and say

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Speaker 1: if you don't do that, you you you could be

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Speaker 1: there for two freakin' hours. Like it's it's very easy.

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Speaker 1: So everybody goes through that, and you just like as

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Speaker 1: a parent, you really have to force yourself to you know,

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Speaker 1: it's just a lot of different things that I you know,

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Speaker 1: you're you experience when you go to Disney or you

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Speaker 1: go anywhere. When you're with the kids. It's just like,

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Speaker 1: live in the moment and be with the kids. You

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Speaker 1: don't need to record every single thing. You don't need

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Speaker 1: to take a million pictures, like just like I have

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Speaker 1: five pictures from when I was a child, right like

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Speaker 1: and guess what, like we all survived and all got

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Speaker 1: through it. How often do you go back through videos

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Speaker 1: just like, be there with your kids and experience it

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Speaker 1: in real life, Like no, that's it's just like the

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Speaker 1: weird thing anymore. It's the weirdest phenomenon that everybody constantly

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Speaker 1: just has. You're like watching concerts with through a phone

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Speaker 1: it's a very weird thing.

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Speaker 2: It is, And I agree they were charged with child

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Speaker 2: and dangermin I have to agree in this case, I

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Speaker 2: don't think it's one of those mishaps where babies could

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Speaker 2: seriously in like half a second. I think of the

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Speaker 2: time Lubert ran out of the hair salon, right, and

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Speaker 2: like how terrifying that wasn't how quick it happened, But like,

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Speaker 2: this wasn't one of those cases where you literally turned

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Speaker 1: So now like let's talk about Hershey, though, I mean,

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Speaker 1: why do they why is their access to get that close?

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Speaker 1: I feel like even if there's two enclosures, but that's second,

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Speaker 1: the second barrier should also be people proof.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean there definitely has to be criticism on

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Speaker 2: their part too, because like, how was there even who

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Speaker 2: I guess some people like I don't really like annimals,

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Speaker 2: so I don't understand somebody who would be going there

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Speaker 2: without a child. Right, But if your demographic is mostly

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Speaker 2: young children going to see animals, how is your security

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Speaker 1: I mean, because this is adults being adults. Like they

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Speaker 1: put up a fence and they're just like, Okay, clearly

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Speaker 1: nobody could jump over this fence whatever. But like they

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Speaker 1: don't think that there's going to be a child crawling

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Speaker 1: that's kind of their job. I just think that I

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Speaker 1: don't think that Hershey should be completely eliminated from fault here.

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Speaker 2: No, And obviously the main people that should be held

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Speaker 2: accountable are the parents not watching this baby walking around.

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Speaker 2: But like, yes, I agree that it shouldn't have even

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Speaker 2: the baby shouldn't have even been able to get inside

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Speaker 2: of that security barrier, the quote unquote security barrier.

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Speaker 1: Do you think child endangerment is like a little harsh?

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Speaker 1: I just think, like, listen, like I think people people

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Speaker 1: I just think the child in endangerment is like some

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Speaker 1: of the stories that we talk about on here, when

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Speaker 1: people get charged with child endangerment, You're like, yeah, they

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Speaker 1: should get charged with child in dangerment. This is just

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Speaker 1: like this to me is like I don't know, I

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Speaker 1: just feel like it's a little bit it's just a

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Speaker 1: little bit different, like they were doing what, Like they're

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Speaker 2: It's just like, well, let's think, let's think about this

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Speaker 2: because is it the system that's messed up or what?

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Speaker 2: Because like, yes, they're not the only people doing this.

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Speaker 2: And I'm sure I'll have incidents in the future where

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Speaker 2: I'm not paying attention to my son for a couple

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Speaker 2: of minutes and then all of a sudden, he's doing

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Speaker 2: something bad. Right, So like I don't want to be

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Speaker 2: too harsh on that front. But at the same time,

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Speaker 2: I mean, this kid's arm could have got bit off

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Speaker 2: by a wolf for no reason because they weren't watching him.

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Speaker 2: But then if you think about it, like that treadmill

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Speaker 2: case we talked about this week, I'm pretty sure that's

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Speaker 2: what the dad got convicted of. Is child endangerment.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and there's a video of there's a video of

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Speaker 1: him forcing his child to run on a treadmill and

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Speaker 1: the kid keeps falling off, and the guy keeps making

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Speaker 1: him braun and run and braun and kit, the kid

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Speaker 1: Okay, so that God, this is a really tragic story.

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Speaker 1: like it's very suspicious. So they did a biopsy and

437
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Speaker 1: they weren't able to tell what it was, and then

438
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Speaker 1: she had to travel to MD Anderson, which is a

439
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Speaker 1: specialized cancer center, and she was diagnosed with something called

440
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Speaker 1: follicular dendritic cell carcinoma, which is super super rare. There's

441
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Speaker 1: there's only a few hundred cases around the world that

442
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Speaker 1: have been diagnosed of it. So when she got she

443
00:23:04,920 --> 00:23:08,000
Speaker 1: probably just went to like a regular hospital when she

444
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Speaker 1: had this accident, and they buy upsied it. And oftentimes

445
00:23:13,960 --> 00:23:18,000
Speaker 1: you get something in pathology that's very weird and you

446
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Speaker 1: don't the pathol just does special staining, special testing, and

447
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Speaker 1: they might know what it is, but they always want

448
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Speaker 1: to probably get another opinion from a place like m

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Speaker 1: D Anderson that sees the weird stuff. There's nothing abnormal

450
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Speaker 1: about that. That happens every single day, like doctors bouncing

451
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Speaker 1: ideas off of each other, just because when you know,

452
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Speaker 1: this isn't like a typical breast cancer. This is like

453
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Speaker 1: something weird that they don't They don't know what it is,

454
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Speaker 1: so they have to work it up in a different

455
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Speaker 1: kind of way to get exactly what it is. These

456
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Speaker 1: particular cells are these cells that are present on the

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Speaker 1: inside of the lymph nodes. So this cancer could really

458
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Speaker 1: start anywhere, and if it's caught early, it has a

459
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Speaker 1: pretty good prognosis. If it's caught later, then it has

460
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Speaker 1: a worse prognosis. Unfortunately, but since there's only a few

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Speaker 1: hundred cases, they don't one hundred percent know like what

462
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Speaker 1: the prognosis is. It's just hard to say when you

463
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Speaker 1: have such a small population size of people to survey.

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Speaker 1: So unfortunately, with the eighteen tumors that she has its

465
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Speaker 1: metastatic stage four, she still was just like I'm getting

466
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Speaker 1: married anyway, Like I'm not gonna let this stop me,

467
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Speaker 1: but she's gonna have to get a ton of treatment,

468
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Speaker 1: and honestly, like it might not have a good prognosis,

469
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Speaker 1: like who, we don't really know.

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Speaker 2: It's just really sad. I mean she did go obviously

471
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Speaker 2: she ended up getting married the next day, still, because

472
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Speaker 2: like what are you going to do at that point?

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Speaker 2: At least try to have a good day the next day.

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Speaker 2: But like it's almost do you think if she didn't

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Speaker 2: get in this car accident that she would have just

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Speaker 2: never found out and then died quickly.

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Speaker 1: Or she was having some symptoms. It's just like a

478
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Speaker 1: lot of times people don't realize it because especially women,

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Speaker 1: because we get her period every month, and it's just like,

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Speaker 1: you know, you really only have what three weeks of

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Speaker 1: your body feeling okay, not even because typically it's like

482
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Speaker 1: the week leading up to it is when stuff starts

483
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Speaker 1: getting bloated and like you just don't feel great. And

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Speaker 1: then while you have it, you don't always feel great.

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Speaker 1: So you know, if you have bloating and you don't

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Speaker 1: really pinpoint it to like this is only from my

487
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Speaker 1: period or something like that, it could really it could

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Speaker 1: be so vague that you really kind of just ignore it.

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Speaker 2: Well, I think that's what she was saying, was that

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Speaker 2: she had known autoimmune issues and back pain, but she

491
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Speaker 2: never thought anything of it, or she didn't want to

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Speaker 2: like be dramatic about it, so she never looked into

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Speaker 2: it further. But then that back pain ended up being

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Speaker 2: a result, I guess of the masses pushing on that.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and I mean, like think about that, like you walk,

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Speaker 1: your hip hurts, like whatever it is. As you get older,

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Speaker 1: it's even and she's pretty young, right, like yeah, I mean,

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Speaker 1: but as you get older and stuff, you just start

499
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Speaker 1: feeling this hurts, this hurts, and then you're just like ah, whatever,

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Speaker 1: you just kind of blow it off. It's not like

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Speaker 1: anything that was so major. She felt like it had

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Speaker 1: to be addressed right away, so eventually it would have

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Speaker 1: started causing problems. It seems like it's a slower growing

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Speaker 1: tumor that she didn't even realize that she had it. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: so hopefully all works out for her.

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Speaker 2: All right, People are over self diagnosing themselves with autism,

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Speaker 2: and it's all thanks to TikTok.

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Speaker 1: It's it's probably not just autism. It's like everything I

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Speaker 1: see videos for all the time. But let me give

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Speaker 1: you because I am diagnosed with TikTok autism for sure,

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Speaker 1: just based upon this difficulty with social communication. You you

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Speaker 1: and my husband told me over Easter dinner that I'm

513
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Speaker 1: I'm horrible in social situations, So that that's confirmed.

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Speaker 2: You can't even deny it.

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Speaker 1: I don't know what to say to people. I don't know.

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00:27:10,440 --> 00:27:13,960
Speaker 1: I don't know what to say. Difficulty with social communication,

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Speaker 1: not knowing when to jumping conversations, missing sarcasm, taking things literally,

518
00:27:20,960 --> 00:27:25,040
Speaker 1: struggling with eye contact and small talk. Okay, so yes.

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00:27:26,280 --> 00:27:32,720
Speaker 1: Check Sensory sensitivity is being overwhelmed by noise yes, light, texture,

520
00:27:32,920 --> 00:27:39,520
Speaker 1: crowd yes, clothing yes, food yes, over stimulation quickly yes,

521
00:27:40,359 --> 00:27:44,720
Speaker 1: hand movements, strong need for routine, and distress when plans

522
00:27:44,760 --> 00:27:49,879
Speaker 1: suddenly change, intense, are highly focused interest, and feeling socially

523
00:27:50,000 --> 00:27:53,040
Speaker 1: drained after acting in a normal social situation. That's like

524
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Speaker 1: probably my number one thing on this list, so so

525
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Speaker 1: like every person, but but like I also know almost

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Speaker 1: every single person in my life that has multiple things

527
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Speaker 1: on this list too.

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Speaker 2: Well, That's what I was gonna say. And it seems

529
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Speaker 2: like the experts reviewing this are saying, like, please note

530
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Speaker 2: that autism is a spectrum and that just because somebody's

531
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Speaker 2: listing off the same symptoms that you have doesn't mean

532
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Speaker 2: that you necessarily have it. And they're also saying like

533
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Speaker 2: we should all be approaching social media, that a lot

534
00:28:26,160 --> 00:28:29,960
Speaker 2: of these videos have misleading or inaccurate information, and that's

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Speaker 2: very important. And I feel like as a society we've

536
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Speaker 2: maybe forgotten that that's the thing, and that people could

537
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Speaker 2: go on there and make videos and claim whatever they want.

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Speaker 1: I just don't I don't really understand the point of

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Speaker 1: the videos, to be honest with you. Like, let's say,

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Speaker 1: for example, I saw that and I was like, oh

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Speaker 1: my god, I really think I have autism. So I'm

542
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Speaker 1: gonna go to some doctor and get diagnosed. Why, Like

543
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Speaker 1: I'm forty six, I'm here, I've made it this far.

544
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Speaker 1: Why what's the diagnosis gonna what is it going to do? Like,

545
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Speaker 1: what's the point of any of this?

546
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Speaker 2: What was the point of On yesterday's episode that girls

547
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Speaker 2: seeing that tech talk about the pedophilic OCD, like sometimes.

548
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Speaker 1: Because she got, because she got, because her thing is

549
00:29:17,640 --> 00:29:21,600
Speaker 1: is that she get in treatment years later, Like what

550
00:29:21,720 --> 00:29:23,840
Speaker 1: kind of treatment do you get as a forty six

551
00:29:23,880 --> 00:29:26,040
Speaker 1: year old that's been living with this? They're entire like

552
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Speaker 1: what are you talking about right now?

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Speaker 2: I will say, like I feel like if you're a

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Speaker 2: parent that maybe as a kid that's acting out and

555
00:29:34,040 --> 00:29:36,040
Speaker 2: you don't know what it is, like, maybe this could

556
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Speaker 2: open your eyes to trying to provide them help or

557
00:29:39,600 --> 00:29:42,000
Speaker 2: maybe have a better understanding of how to work with

558
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Speaker 2: them if they actually are diagnosed autistic. But I've noticed

559
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Speaker 2: this with reality stars in particular, is that they're saying

560
00:29:50,080 --> 00:29:52,520
Speaker 2: they're diagnosed ly in life and then using that as

561
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Speaker 2: an excuse to agregious behavior they've committed in the past.

562
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Speaker 2: And I don't get down with it.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean I I do think that that that

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Speaker 1: that's part of it. Like for sure, it's just like

565
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Speaker 1: a like, oh I have this thing, So therefore excuse

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Speaker 1: I don't know, Like and like I said, I just

567
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Speaker 1: feel like if it's a spectrum, is it possible that

568
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Speaker 1: just like every person has some bit of the spectrum

569
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Speaker 1: at the very minor end to the very extreme end,

570
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Speaker 1: Like what who makes it? Since there's not like an

571
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Speaker 1: actual test for it, right, It's not like a blood

572
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Speaker 1: test that's like you have it or you don't. It's

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Speaker 1: it's interpretive based upon who's examining you and decides that

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Speaker 1: you have it.

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Speaker 2: Like truly, though, when we talk about this a lot,

576
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Speaker 2: like when are we gonna get to a point I'm

577
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Speaker 2: not even just talking about autism, talking about any condition, ADHD, narcisism,

578
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Speaker 2: everything like that, right, Like when are we gonna get

579
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Speaker 2: to a point where those things aren't excuses for bad

580
00:30:52,360 --> 00:30:56,760
Speaker 2: behavior anymore? Because like I think anybody has some form

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Speaker 2: of something going on in their brain, So like when

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Speaker 2: and is it not an excuse?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't know. I just don't really see the

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Speaker 1: point of it as an adult, like I'd see like,

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Speaker 1: you know, you have a very difficult or awkward life

586
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Speaker 1: and someone might say you're autistic, and then you're like,

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00:31:14,400 --> 00:31:18,520
Speaker 1: oh god, that explains everything. Now whatever, but like it

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00:31:18,560 --> 00:31:20,440
Speaker 1: doesn't really change anything.

589
00:31:20,280 --> 00:31:24,280
Speaker 2: And understanding of maybe why you don't act a certain way,

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Speaker 2: or like if you want it as an adult, for

591
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Speaker 2: understanding maybe why you've acted a certain way in the past,

592
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Speaker 2: or why you maybe don't act the same way as

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Speaker 2: people around you. I get that, but like I think,

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Speaker 2: I think not. I don't want to say a lot

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Speaker 2: of people, but I've been seeing it being used as

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Speaker 2: a way to develop some type of excuse for having

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Speaker 2: bad behavior, and that's why I don't like about it.

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Speaker 2: So hopefully that stops. And like I think the general

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Speaker 2: point of this is, we shouldn't be diagnosing ourselves with

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Speaker 2: anything via the internet. We should be going to professionals

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Speaker 2: who work in this field and actually know exactly all right, guys,

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Speaker 2: we have our live show coming up in well, I

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Speaker 2: you have your lecture tomorrow and night and then Saturday

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