1 00:00:05,160 --> 00:00:08,200 Speaker 1: This is what happens when the fourth Turning meets fifth 2 00:00:08,200 --> 00:00:10,760 Speaker 1: generation warfare. 3 00:00:09,320 --> 00:00:20,520 Speaker 2: A commentator, international social media sensation and former Navy intelligence veteran. 4 00:00:20,400 --> 00:00:24,040 Speaker 3: This is Human Events with your host Jack Pisovic christ 5 00:00:24,360 --> 00:00:24,880 Speaker 3: Is King. 6 00:00:25,280 --> 00:00:28,600 Speaker 4: Than two hundred thousand protesters gathered in the Ukrainian capital 7 00:00:28,680 --> 00:00:32,600 Speaker 4: of Kiev today, furious over the government's refusal to sign 8 00:00:32,600 --> 00:00:35,800 Speaker 4: a trade agreement with the European Union. Police use tear 9 00:00:35,840 --> 00:00:39,120 Speaker 4: gas and clubs to beat back demonstrators who surrounded President 10 00:00:39,200 --> 00:00:43,440 Speaker 4: Viktor Yanukovich's office. They are demanding his resignation, saying the 11 00:00:43,479 --> 00:00:46,600 Speaker 4: government is corrupt and too tied to Russia. 12 00:00:46,680 --> 00:00:52,240 Speaker 5: The United States stands with you in your search for justice, 13 00:00:52,760 --> 00:00:58,840 Speaker 5: for human dignity, for security, for economic health, and for 14 00:00:58,920 --> 00:01:01,560 Speaker 5: the European future. Sure that you have chosen and that 15 00:01:01,680 --> 00:01:02,200 Speaker 5: you deserve. 16 00:01:02,320 --> 00:01:05,920 Speaker 6: After those deadly protests, the government firing back. The president 17 00:01:05,920 --> 00:01:07,880 Speaker 6: tonight is in hiding. And just look at the images 18 00:01:07,920 --> 00:01:10,759 Speaker 6: coming in now. Families wandering the grounds of his luxury 19 00:01:10,800 --> 00:01:13,720 Speaker 6: home outside the capitol today taking turns playing in his 20 00:01:13,800 --> 00:01:16,960 Speaker 6: private golf course, helping themselves to his golf clubs. And 21 00:01:17,000 --> 00:01:19,560 Speaker 6: now the former Prime minister is now free from prison, 22 00:01:19,600 --> 00:01:21,680 Speaker 6: where the president had put her reaching out to her 23 00:01:21,680 --> 00:01:22,800 Speaker 6: supporters right there. 24 00:01:23,080 --> 00:01:28,440 Speaker 7: Ukraine's billionaire presidential candidate Petro Poroshenko has declared victory, and 25 00:01:28,560 --> 00:01:31,800 Speaker 7: exit Pole suggests he got in off votes to avoid 26 00:01:31,920 --> 00:01:33,959 Speaker 7: a potentially divisive runoff. 27 00:01:34,319 --> 00:01:36,800 Speaker 8: A comedian with no political experience is one of the 28 00:01:36,840 --> 00:01:41,560 Speaker 8: first rounds of Ukraine's presidential elections. Vladimir Zelenski came in 29 00:01:41,680 --> 00:01:45,600 Speaker 8: comfortably ahead of the incumbent Petro Paroshenko. They'll face a 30 00:01:45,680 --> 00:01:47,160 Speaker 8: runoff votes in three weeks. 31 00:01:47,800 --> 00:01:51,680 Speaker 9: Vladimir Zelenski's win is a political game changer, and that 32 00:01:51,760 --> 00:01:54,600 Speaker 9: this Kiv Park today Ukrainians were talking about what the 33 00:01:54,640 --> 00:01:57,200 Speaker 9: new president's first moves might be. 34 00:01:57,680 --> 00:01:58,640 Speaker 10: Plasi Lemmion. 35 00:01:58,680 --> 00:02:01,320 Speaker 9: The good thing about Zelensky is he attracted young people, 36 00:02:01,360 --> 00:02:04,279 Speaker 9: says this man. Before that it was just the old guard, 37 00:02:04,440 --> 00:02:05,920 Speaker 9: and now there's no going back. 38 00:02:06,920 --> 00:02:10,880 Speaker 1: There's a nice opportunity to change everything, and maybe it's 39 00:02:10,880 --> 00:02:12,320 Speaker 1: something in our country. 40 00:02:13,200 --> 00:02:15,240 Speaker 10: I agree with this position. 41 00:02:16,320 --> 00:02:19,600 Speaker 9: But even as an astounding seventy three percent of voters 42 00:02:19,639 --> 00:02:22,400 Speaker 9: put their faith in the political rookie, his plans for 43 00:02:22,560 --> 00:02:28,320 Speaker 9: Ukraine remain unclear. Zelenski's only political experience is playing Ukraine's 44 00:02:28,360 --> 00:02:30,519 Speaker 9: president on television. 45 00:02:30,040 --> 00:02:35,399 Speaker 1: Ladies and gentlemen, welcome aboard for today's edition of Tales 46 00:02:35,680 --> 00:02:44,200 Speaker 1: of Regime Change Shadows over Ukraine, and Folks, I've been 47 00:02:44,200 --> 00:02:46,800 Speaker 1: saying this for years now, but it's clearer than ever. 48 00:02:47,400 --> 00:02:51,480 Speaker 1: The war in Ukraine isn't what the mainstream media and 49 00:02:51,560 --> 00:02:55,560 Speaker 1: neo Khans keeps shoving down our throats. Now we know 50 00:02:55,720 --> 00:02:59,640 Speaker 1: that this was a classic US regime change operation that 51 00:02:59,720 --> 00:03:05,919 Speaker 1: went horribly wrong. It backfired spectacularly, and now we're all 52 00:03:05,960 --> 00:03:09,880 Speaker 1: paying the price, with endless billions of dollars, the risk 53 00:03:10,040 --> 00:03:14,239 Speaker 1: of nuclear escalation. You've got the people, the good people 54 00:03:14,280 --> 00:03:18,000 Speaker 1: of Ukraine caught in the crossfire. They don't deserve this, 55 00:03:19,000 --> 00:03:24,200 Speaker 1: and you've got millions upon millions of people dead, and 56 00:03:24,240 --> 00:03:26,400 Speaker 1: you look at the catastrophe that goes on in there. 57 00:03:27,040 --> 00:03:30,560 Speaker 1: And our own diplomats, our own leaders, they knew about this, 58 00:03:30,840 --> 00:03:34,120 Speaker 1: they knew what would happen. This didn't start in twenty 59 00:03:34,160 --> 00:03:37,760 Speaker 1: twenty two. It goes back decades, right after the Soviet 60 00:03:37,840 --> 00:03:41,720 Speaker 1: Union collapsed. We had a chance for peace, Gorbachev, Yelton. 61 00:03:42,240 --> 00:03:44,960 Speaker 1: They were ready to partner with the West. But what 62 00:03:45,000 --> 00:03:48,120 Speaker 1: did the US do while they broke every promise? James Baker, Bush, 63 00:03:48,120 --> 00:03:51,280 Speaker 1: Senior's secretary of State told Gorbachev flat out that NATO 64 00:03:51,360 --> 00:03:55,160 Speaker 1: won't move one inch eastward if you let Germany reunify. 65 00:03:55,440 --> 00:03:58,520 Speaker 1: That was the deal. But then Clinton came in and boom, 66 00:03:58,680 --> 00:04:02,320 Speaker 1: NATO expanded. You got Hungary, you got the Baltics, you 67 00:04:02,400 --> 00:04:04,880 Speaker 1: got all the way up, and all the while Russia 68 00:04:04,960 --> 00:04:08,160 Speaker 1: was warning again and again, redline, redline, redline. George Kennan, 69 00:04:08,240 --> 00:04:11,560 Speaker 1: the architect, the literal architect of containment theory, called it 70 00:04:11,600 --> 00:04:14,280 Speaker 1: a fateful error to push NATO all the way up 71 00:04:14,480 --> 00:04:17,920 Speaker 1: to Russia's borders. Even Bill Burns, who was just CIA 72 00:04:18,040 --> 00:04:20,960 Speaker 1: director under Biden, wrote in two thousand and eight that 73 00:04:21,080 --> 00:04:24,719 Speaker 1: pushing NATO into Ukraine would cross Russia's deepest red line, 74 00:04:24,920 --> 00:04:28,600 Speaker 1: provoke a crisis and even of war over CRIMEA. That 75 00:04:28,680 --> 00:04:33,080 Speaker 1: might be Bill Burns calling me right now. But the 76 00:04:33,120 --> 00:04:35,760 Speaker 1: neo cons the regime changers in Washington, they didn't care. 77 00:04:36,040 --> 00:04:39,240 Speaker 1: They saw Russia weak and they thought, let's encircle them, 78 00:04:39,400 --> 00:04:43,000 Speaker 1: let's install puppets on their border. Well, fast forward to 79 00:04:43,320 --> 00:04:47,320 Speaker 1: twenty fourteen, the Midon protests, and look, we know that 80 00:04:47,360 --> 00:04:50,520 Speaker 1: protests happened, But what did our State Department, What did 81 00:04:50,600 --> 00:04:55,120 Speaker 1: Victoria Neuland do handing out her cookies, literally funning millions 82 00:04:55,200 --> 00:05:00,560 Speaker 1: through the nngos to fuel the uprising against the elected president. Yeah, Nikovich, 83 00:05:00,600 --> 00:05:04,000 Speaker 1: whom we know at the time was considered pro Russian, 84 00:05:04,279 --> 00:05:10,039 Speaker 1: but he was democratically chosen by the people of Ukraine. 85 00:05:10,160 --> 00:05:14,000 Speaker 1: The United States backed the overthrow. This was the Obama government. 86 00:05:14,279 --> 00:05:17,599 Speaker 1: This was Hillary and her people when they were there 87 00:05:17,600 --> 00:05:23,400 Speaker 1: installing this, pushing this Victoria Newland. And then a new 88 00:05:23,560 --> 00:05:27,560 Speaker 1: pro Western government was installed with no election whatsoever. And 89 00:05:27,640 --> 00:05:32,080 Speaker 1: suddenly Ukraine is talking NATO membership. So what did Russia 90 00:05:32,120 --> 00:05:36,599 Speaker 1: look at it? They saw an existential threat, American missiles 91 00:05:36,839 --> 00:05:41,600 Speaker 1: minutes from Moscow, a hostile regime in Kiev, funded by 92 00:05:41,640 --> 00:05:44,880 Speaker 1: the United States. That's the regime change part. The United 93 00:05:44,880 --> 00:05:48,480 Speaker 1: States and the West wanted to flip Ukraine, pull it 94 00:05:48,520 --> 00:05:54,039 Speaker 1: into our orbit. Weakened Russia permanently, but the people of 95 00:05:54,120 --> 00:05:56,880 Speaker 1: Ukraine didn't vote the right way, so we backed an 96 00:05:56,920 --> 00:06:02,200 Speaker 1: overthrow of a president. Turns out it went wrong. Russia 97 00:06:02,440 --> 00:06:06,000 Speaker 1: didn't just roll over. What did they do? They went 98 00:06:06,160 --> 00:06:09,200 Speaker 1: right back into Crimea, where their Black Sea fleet is based. 99 00:06:09,200 --> 00:06:12,280 Speaker 1: They would never have given that up. They worked with 100 00:06:12,520 --> 00:06:16,200 Speaker 1: groups in the Donbass, and then after years of ignored warnings, 101 00:06:16,440 --> 00:06:21,360 Speaker 1: Minsk agreements, sabotaged shelling in the East. Russia invaded in 102 00:06:21,400 --> 00:06:24,679 Speaker 1: twenty twenty two, and now it's a meat grinder, hundreds 103 00:06:24,680 --> 00:06:29,400 Speaker 1: of thousands of dead, millions dead, trillions wasted, Europe decentralized 104 00:06:29,400 --> 00:06:32,320 Speaker 1: without Russian gas, and we are closer to World War 105 00:06:32,640 --> 00:06:38,400 Speaker 1: three than ever. This was bipartisan Democrats Republicans prolonged the slaughter. 106 00:06:38,720 --> 00:06:42,719 Speaker 1: It was not inevitable. But folks, perhaps there was a 107 00:06:42,760 --> 00:06:48,200 Speaker 1: way to end the bleeding and stop poking the bear. 108 00:06:48,800 --> 00:06:52,480 Speaker 1: See what happens, Jack Pisovic coming up more Human Events. 109 00:06:52,320 --> 00:07:00,760 Speaker 10: Daily top story. 110 00:07:00,839 --> 00:07:05,080 Speaker 3: Soviet President Mikhail Gorbachev has been removed from power and 111 00:07:05,160 --> 00:07:08,560 Speaker 3: there are tanks now in the streets of Moscow. Vice 112 00:07:08,560 --> 00:07:11,680 Speaker 3: President ghanada Ya Naiov says he has taken over as 113 00:07:11,760 --> 00:07:14,440 Speaker 3: acting president as the head of state of a special 114 00:07:14,480 --> 00:07:15,360 Speaker 3: State Committee. 115 00:07:15,480 --> 00:07:19,920 Speaker 1: All right, Jack Wizoker back here, Human Events, special tales 116 00:07:20,000 --> 00:07:27,840 Speaker 1: of regime change shadow over Ukraine. And to really understand 117 00:07:28,040 --> 00:07:30,320 Speaker 1: how the Ukraine War began, you have to go all 118 00:07:30,360 --> 00:07:32,280 Speaker 1: the way back to the end of of the Cold 119 00:07:32,280 --> 00:07:39,239 Speaker 1: War and the way that US policy towards Russia. Russia 120 00:07:39,400 --> 00:07:42,600 Speaker 1: changed if you remember, see I can remember this. I'm 121 00:07:42,640 --> 00:07:45,400 Speaker 1: old enough certainly to have remembered the fall of the Wall. 122 00:07:45,600 --> 00:07:47,880 Speaker 1: I remember the fall of the Soviet Union. I can 123 00:07:47,960 --> 00:07:51,280 Speaker 1: even remember when the Soviet Union was the government of Russia. 124 00:07:51,840 --> 00:07:55,160 Speaker 1: And one thing that we were told early on was 125 00:07:55,160 --> 00:07:58,440 Speaker 1: that this meant peace, This meant friendship with the Russian people. 126 00:07:58,560 --> 00:08:01,800 Speaker 1: This meant that we would be able to work potentially 127 00:08:01,840 --> 00:08:05,920 Speaker 1: with Russia as a partner country on various issues, policing 128 00:08:06,080 --> 00:08:12,120 Speaker 1: international criminals, international trafficking organizations, international terrorism, all of these 129 00:08:12,160 --> 00:08:15,840 Speaker 1: transnational threats, and that the United States essentially had become 130 00:08:16,000 --> 00:08:18,440 Speaker 1: the new superpower and that we really were going to 131 00:08:18,440 --> 00:08:20,880 Speaker 1: get what was called the peace dividend. And Clinton talked 132 00:08:20,880 --> 00:08:24,080 Speaker 1: about this for years. But then something else happened in 133 00:08:24,080 --> 00:08:26,240 Speaker 1: the nineties. And what did the US do in terms 134 00:08:26,360 --> 00:08:29,320 Speaker 1: of foreign policy, Well, the Clintons and a ken this 135 00:08:29,400 --> 00:08:32,240 Speaker 1: goes this is why it all revolves around them and 136 00:08:32,280 --> 00:08:37,600 Speaker 1: really the forces that propped them up in government, as 137 00:08:37,640 --> 00:08:43,000 Speaker 1: specifically Hillary, that they broke the deal by expanding NATO forward, 138 00:08:43,559 --> 00:08:48,560 Speaker 1: and they pushed so that every vestige of any type 139 00:08:48,679 --> 00:08:53,720 Speaker 1: of Russian relationship had to be removed from all of Europe, 140 00:08:53,840 --> 00:08:58,120 Speaker 1: or at least all of Western Europe, and in doing so, 141 00:08:58,600 --> 00:09:03,080 Speaker 1: They also pushed with the called shock therapy economics inside 142 00:09:03,120 --> 00:09:06,520 Speaker 1: of Russia. And this was when the Clintons actually went 143 00:09:06,640 --> 00:09:11,400 Speaker 1: and interfered directly in Russian presidential elections. When they were 144 00:09:11,440 --> 00:09:16,000 Speaker 1: attempting to institute democracy. It was the Clintons who went in. 145 00:09:16,400 --> 00:09:20,240 Speaker 1: And so you see this, this move of the Clintons 146 00:09:20,360 --> 00:09:23,760 Speaker 1: working with various of these new oligarchs that sprung up 147 00:09:23,800 --> 00:09:26,920 Speaker 1: throughout Russia to loot the place. They were just looting 148 00:09:27,120 --> 00:09:31,120 Speaker 1: everything they could from Russia, from the Soviet Union, from 149 00:09:31,160 --> 00:09:34,720 Speaker 1: these industries, and using it to enrich themselves. You saw 150 00:09:34,720 --> 00:09:36,920 Speaker 1: this later with the Clinton Foundation. And then what did 151 00:09:36,960 --> 00:09:41,880 Speaker 1: they also do the same thing to any Russian area 152 00:09:40,760 --> 00:09:45,240 Speaker 1: of part of Europe, so Yugoslavia, the Balkans, et cetera. 153 00:09:45,320 --> 00:09:47,839 Speaker 1: At any time that anyone didn't want to go along 154 00:09:47,840 --> 00:09:51,480 Speaker 1: with this, whether it be the Serbians or otherwise, what 155 00:09:51,520 --> 00:09:54,440 Speaker 1: do they use. They used the power of NATO and 156 00:09:54,559 --> 00:09:58,320 Speaker 1: NATO's military to go in and show that they meant business. 157 00:09:58,400 --> 00:10:01,640 Speaker 1: Someone who knows all about this all too well is, 158 00:10:01,679 --> 00:10:05,840 Speaker 1: of course Mike Benz from the Foundation of Freedom Online, 159 00:10:05,880 --> 00:10:09,920 Speaker 1: though I'm told he also wears another hat these days. Interestingly, 160 00:10:10,240 --> 00:10:13,680 Speaker 1: Mike Benz joins the program just again Howry Mike, Hey, 161 00:10:13,840 --> 00:10:17,079 Speaker 1: great to see Jack good c as well. So we're 162 00:10:17,120 --> 00:10:20,120 Speaker 1: doing these tales of regime change we're walking through. You 163 00:10:20,160 --> 00:10:23,000 Speaker 1: know why it was, at least in this first part 164 00:10:23,360 --> 00:10:26,439 Speaker 1: that the US was so focused on Russia. And I 165 00:10:26,440 --> 00:10:29,080 Speaker 1: guess my point is it wasn't the US, you know, 166 00:10:29,120 --> 00:10:31,120 Speaker 1: in the wake of the Cold War, it was the Clintons, 167 00:10:31,120 --> 00:10:33,920 Speaker 1: and it was NATO and the idea that NATO would 168 00:10:34,040 --> 00:10:41,280 Speaker 1: actually become this new sort of international force for Brussels 169 00:10:41,360 --> 00:10:44,800 Speaker 1: for this globalism, which is the system of globalism is 170 00:10:44,840 --> 00:10:46,560 Speaker 1: what we're talking about. They didn't have the name for 171 00:10:46,600 --> 00:10:50,120 Speaker 1: it back then, and that NATO would become essentially the 172 00:10:50,160 --> 00:10:52,280 Speaker 1: military force in any country that didn't want to go 173 00:10:52,320 --> 00:10:56,360 Speaker 1: along with this, like the Balkans or Yugoslavia was basically smashed, 174 00:10:56,440 --> 00:10:58,839 Speaker 1: was smashed under NATO force and was told that they 175 00:10:58,880 --> 00:11:01,280 Speaker 1: had to go along with this. Now, people might say 176 00:11:01,280 --> 00:11:04,520 Speaker 1: I'm crazy, but Mike, does this follow with what we 177 00:11:04,559 --> 00:11:05,600 Speaker 1: see in terms of history. 178 00:11:06,880 --> 00:11:11,360 Speaker 10: Actually, it's exactly what George Soros wrote in a book 179 00:11:11,400 --> 00:11:14,600 Speaker 10: called The Future of NATO in nineteen ninety five as 180 00:11:14,679 --> 00:11:18,520 Speaker 10: exactly what NATO's role in the world should be as 181 00:11:18,800 --> 00:11:27,319 Speaker 10: the institutional force that would be capable of effectively dominating 182 00:11:27,559 --> 00:11:34,640 Speaker 10: the twenty first century and serving to essentially route out 183 00:11:34,920 --> 00:11:41,560 Speaker 10: political opposition inside of post Soviet Europe. This is written 184 00:11:41,600 --> 00:11:45,480 Speaker 10: about if you go to some my I think there's 185 00:11:45,600 --> 00:11:47,640 Speaker 10: videos on my X timeline breaking it down. But if 186 00:11:47,679 --> 00:11:50,640 Speaker 10: anyone just goes and looks up George Soros the Future 187 00:11:50,640 --> 00:11:53,520 Speaker 10: of NATO. I believe it was nineteen ninety five that 188 00:11:53,600 --> 00:11:55,840 Speaker 10: he wrote that May in ninety three, but I think 189 00:11:55,880 --> 00:11:56,480 Speaker 10: it was ninety. 190 00:11:56,320 --> 00:11:59,520 Speaker 1: Well, and Ben's we should even say, and I'm remiss 191 00:11:59,559 --> 00:12:01,960 Speaker 1: for not even saying it at first, that it's out 192 00:12:02,040 --> 00:12:06,199 Speaker 1: of this sort of post communist soup, this milieu. This 193 00:12:06,240 --> 00:12:09,160 Speaker 1: is where Soros comes from. This is where Soros gets 194 00:12:09,240 --> 00:12:13,800 Speaker 1: his power in this convert and Soros becomes probably the 195 00:12:13,840 --> 00:12:17,120 Speaker 1: first oligarch that the Clintons begin to work with. There's others, 196 00:12:17,200 --> 00:12:20,400 Speaker 1: Victor Pinchuk and a variety of others, but he arises 197 00:12:20,480 --> 00:12:22,880 Speaker 1: out of Hungary and he says, I'm going to work 198 00:12:22,880 --> 00:12:25,359 Speaker 1: with the West. I'm going to work with the Clintons 199 00:12:25,400 --> 00:12:29,480 Speaker 1: to create a new system. This is where George Soros 200 00:12:29,600 --> 00:12:33,520 Speaker 1: originally got his power from. And so to understand Soros 201 00:12:33,520 --> 00:12:35,319 Speaker 1: the way we talk about him today, You've got to 202 00:12:35,360 --> 00:12:37,360 Speaker 1: go all the way back to the start, and that 203 00:12:37,640 --> 00:12:40,840 Speaker 1: was the fall the Soviet Union, the fall of the 204 00:12:40,880 --> 00:12:43,800 Speaker 1: Iron Curtain, and people like Soros and the Clintons who 205 00:12:43,800 --> 00:12:46,560 Speaker 1: saw it as a way to ride themselves to riches 206 00:12:46,640 --> 00:12:47,120 Speaker 1: and power. 207 00:12:48,280 --> 00:12:51,720 Speaker 10: In fact, there's a great clip I have it on 208 00:12:51,760 --> 00:12:56,080 Speaker 10: my X timeline, but it's George Soros openly bragging that 209 00:12:56,679 --> 00:13:00,200 Speaker 10: the Soros Empire was built out of the ashes the 210 00:13:00,240 --> 00:13:05,560 Speaker 10: Soviet Empire, and that as the Soviet Empire receded, the 211 00:13:05,600 --> 00:13:09,640 Speaker 10: Soros Empire picked up the pieces, was his phrase, and 212 00:13:09,720 --> 00:13:13,840 Speaker 10: this is quite literally true. The assets of the Soviet 213 00:13:13,960 --> 00:13:20,199 Speaker 10: government and the European governments that were under Soviet effective 214 00:13:21,520 --> 00:13:26,200 Speaker 10: vassalage were quite literally sold off to the George Soros 215 00:13:26,240 --> 00:13:31,560 Speaker 10: Management Fund. This happened inside of Russia, it happened in Ukraine. 216 00:13:32,760 --> 00:13:36,880 Speaker 10: This was done in tandem with USAID in the United States, 217 00:13:36,880 --> 00:13:40,720 Speaker 10: as well as institutions like the Harvard Institute for International Development. 218 00:13:41,240 --> 00:13:45,800 Speaker 10: But it was the George Soros Open Society Foundation that 219 00:13:45,920 --> 00:13:50,640 Speaker 10: played a key role in actually breaking up the Soviet 220 00:13:50,720 --> 00:13:57,400 Speaker 10: Union inside of Hungary, inside of Poland, inside of Romania. 221 00:13:57,600 --> 00:13:59,960 Speaker 10: And this was done in tandem with the US govern 222 00:14:00,320 --> 00:14:04,600 Speaker 10: with the National Endowment for Democracy, with USAID, with the 223 00:14:04,720 --> 00:14:08,320 Speaker 10: US embassies in the region. The same way that in 224 00:14:08,360 --> 00:14:12,960 Speaker 10: the United States, Soros incubates these student groups and young 225 00:14:13,040 --> 00:14:17,839 Speaker 10: people and unemployed people and criminals. The same was done 226 00:14:19,200 --> 00:14:22,600 Speaker 10: in the nineteen eighties, and you can argue that it 227 00:14:22,720 --> 00:14:27,400 Speaker 10: had a positive result on the world in that case, 228 00:14:27,680 --> 00:14:31,320 Speaker 10: whatever your view on the morality of the tactics used, 229 00:14:31,560 --> 00:14:36,000 Speaker 10: was that there was brutal Soviet domination in those countries. 230 00:14:36,040 --> 00:14:39,360 Speaker 10: But the fact is is what ended up happening was 231 00:14:39,520 --> 00:14:45,400 Speaker 10: power corrupts absolute. Power corrupts absolutely, and Soros absolutely corrupted 232 00:14:45,440 --> 00:14:48,520 Speaker 10: these countries and we are now living in the aftermath 233 00:14:48,720 --> 00:14:49,280 Speaker 10: of it. 234 00:14:49,320 --> 00:14:51,840 Speaker 1: As these well, and let me just let to just 235 00:14:51,840 --> 00:14:54,680 Speaker 1: point this out too, because there's a lot of people 236 00:14:54,720 --> 00:14:57,920 Speaker 1: that I see when they encounter some of these histories, 237 00:14:57,920 --> 00:14:59,680 Speaker 1: they'll say, wait a minute, so Soros was a good 238 00:14:59,680 --> 00:15:03,360 Speaker 1: guy first, etc. Well, it's almost like saying that you know, 239 00:15:03,600 --> 00:15:07,120 Speaker 1: you have communism, but then you also have globalism, and 240 00:15:07,400 --> 00:15:11,960 Speaker 1: neither of them are actually producing freedom, and they are 241 00:15:12,000 --> 00:15:16,080 Speaker 1: not open societies, as George Soros calls them. They are 242 00:15:16,200 --> 00:15:21,400 Speaker 1: in fact a different form of tautalitarianism. It is shadow totalitarianism. 243 00:15:21,520 --> 00:15:25,200 Speaker 1: It is shadow communism that is put under the guise 244 00:15:25,320 --> 00:15:27,920 Speaker 1: of globalism and the guys of the World Economic Forum, 245 00:15:27,920 --> 00:15:31,840 Speaker 1: and they create all these supernational institutions and organizations to 246 00:15:31,880 --> 00:15:35,440 Speaker 1: be able to claim that this is the new freedom. 247 00:15:35,520 --> 00:15:37,760 Speaker 1: But we know, we know from the fruits of it 248 00:15:38,000 --> 00:15:40,480 Speaker 1: that it is not freedom. So just because you were 249 00:15:40,520 --> 00:15:43,400 Speaker 1: against the Soviet Union doesn't mean you're not peddling a 250 00:15:43,440 --> 00:15:46,040 Speaker 1: new form of communism. It's almost like, you know, it's 251 00:15:46,080 --> 00:15:49,880 Speaker 1: almost like the difference between the communism and the democratic socialism, if. 252 00:15:49,760 --> 00:15:54,040 Speaker 10: You will, right, No, that's exactly true. There's nothing open 253 00:15:54,240 --> 00:15:58,680 Speaker 10: about the open society concept. When you dissent, look how 254 00:15:58,720 --> 00:16:03,160 Speaker 10: fast the system apps shut around you. Just today, it was, 255 00:16:03,480 --> 00:16:06,040 Speaker 10: it was, as we're recording this, it was announced that 256 00:16:06,480 --> 00:16:11,400 Speaker 10: multiple journalists inside the European Union have been sanctioned for 257 00:16:11,640 --> 00:16:15,760 Speaker 10: merely suggesting that Russia was going to win the war. 258 00:16:15,960 --> 00:16:20,200 Speaker 10: For jeezure journalists for simply having an opinion about the war. 259 00:16:20,360 --> 00:16:23,560 Speaker 10: There's nothing open about the open society. It just means 260 00:16:23,640 --> 00:16:28,920 Speaker 10: open to our control. The moment, the moment that control 261 00:16:29,040 --> 00:16:33,840 Speaker 10: is threatened, watch how quickly the open society closes around you. 262 00:16:34,520 --> 00:16:36,800 Speaker 10: But the fact is is that that was a that 263 00:16:36,920 --> 00:16:40,440 Speaker 10: was a pretext. It was was a ruse. It was 264 00:16:40,640 --> 00:16:43,080 Speaker 10: so to open it up to our to our influence 265 00:16:43,160 --> 00:16:46,360 Speaker 10: and to our markets and to our control. It doesn't 266 00:16:46,720 --> 00:16:50,040 Speaker 10: doesn't mean they want it. Genuinely opened means open to 267 00:16:50,160 --> 00:16:54,200 Speaker 10: us now. And Ukraine is was the crown jewel of 268 00:16:54,880 --> 00:16:59,360 Speaker 10: these maneuvers because Ukraine has fourteen trillion dollars worth of 269 00:16:59,440 --> 00:17:03,320 Speaker 10: natural res sources. It is the gateway between East and West. 270 00:17:03,520 --> 00:17:07,439 Speaker 10: It is the main point of transit for gas natural 271 00:17:07,520 --> 00:17:13,199 Speaker 10: gases entry into Europe. It has unbelievable quantities of wheat 272 00:17:13,240 --> 00:17:18,880 Speaker 10: and agriculture and arable land. It has the third largest 273 00:17:19,760 --> 00:17:24,440 Speaker 10: petroleum reserves in all of Europe. It is just an 274 00:17:24,440 --> 00:17:28,040 Speaker 10: incredible bounty, as well as hosting the only warm water 275 00:17:28,160 --> 00:17:34,000 Speaker 10: port to Russia through the Black Sea and Crimea. So tactically, 276 00:17:34,040 --> 00:17:37,360 Speaker 10: if you want to control Russia, having control over Ukraine 277 00:17:37,840 --> 00:17:41,320 Speaker 10: gets you there. That's in Russia's seventy five trillion dollars 278 00:17:41,320 --> 00:17:44,399 Speaker 10: worth of natural resources. And for a brief time, the 279 00:17:44,520 --> 00:17:48,359 Speaker 10: United States foreign policy establishment had a kind of vassal 280 00:17:48,400 --> 00:17:53,680 Speaker 10: state control over Russia in the early to mid nineteen nineties, 281 00:17:53,680 --> 00:17:56,879 Speaker 10: at the same time that Ukraine was having its so 282 00:17:57,040 --> 00:18:01,160 Speaker 10: called opening. Now, there were two color revolutions that were 283 00:18:01,200 --> 00:18:04,399 Speaker 10: done to Ukraine, first in two thousand and four through 284 00:18:04,440 --> 00:18:08,440 Speaker 10: the Orange Revolution, and then again in twenty fourteen through 285 00:18:08,440 --> 00:18:13,200 Speaker 10: the Euromidon Square Revolution, which is now being rebranded as 286 00:18:13,240 --> 00:18:16,520 Speaker 10: the so called Revolution of Dignity. But if you go 287 00:18:16,680 --> 00:18:21,959 Speaker 10: to BBC News and you look at the before and 288 00:18:22,000 --> 00:18:26,840 Speaker 10: after pictures of the Euromidon Square, I think nothing quite 289 00:18:27,800 --> 00:18:30,920 Speaker 10: shows in such vivid colors as the before and after 290 00:18:31,040 --> 00:18:34,960 Speaker 10: pictures of what the square around the Parliament building of 291 00:18:35,040 --> 00:18:39,399 Speaker 10: Ukraine looked like before and after the George Floyd style 292 00:18:39,520 --> 00:18:45,159 Speaker 10: protests that were galvanized by John McCain and by Mike. 293 00:18:45,200 --> 00:18:47,280 Speaker 1: We're coming up on a quick break, but that's exactly 294 00:18:47,320 --> 00:18:49,160 Speaker 1: where I want to go. In the very next segment, 295 00:18:50,359 --> 00:18:58,520 Speaker 1: Jack PASOBC Mike bends the Shadow over Ukraine Tales Regime Change. 296 00:19:00,200 --> 00:19:03,520 Speaker 11: In the very early morning, unidentified shooters open fire on 297 00:19:03,600 --> 00:19:09,000 Speaker 11: the protesters and on law enforcement. Tensions were very high 298 00:19:09,040 --> 00:19:11,159 Speaker 11: and both sides were furious. 299 00:19:12,200 --> 00:19:16,040 Speaker 1: Or Jack sokerback with Mike Ben's Shadow Over Ukraine Tales 300 00:19:16,240 --> 00:19:20,919 Speaker 1: of Regime Change. Benz talk to me about Demidon Revolution. 301 00:19:21,320 --> 00:19:23,239 Speaker 1: There's a lot of people who have heard about this 302 00:19:23,400 --> 00:19:26,800 Speaker 1: there's a lot of people who have heard reference to it. 303 00:19:26,800 --> 00:19:30,000 Speaker 1: We've seen pictures, But what was it like Going back 304 00:19:30,400 --> 00:19:33,760 Speaker 1: to really the end of twenty thirteen beginning of twenty fourteen, 305 00:19:33,840 --> 00:19:35,440 Speaker 1: when all of this kicked off. 306 00:19:37,480 --> 00:19:42,919 Speaker 10: If folks remember the scale and scope of the terror 307 00:19:42,960 --> 00:19:45,440 Speaker 10: that happened during Black Lives Matter in the summer of 308 00:19:45,520 --> 00:19:51,639 Speaker 10: twenty twenty, imagine if that Black Lives Matter lawless mob 309 00:19:52,240 --> 00:19:56,919 Speaker 10: going around looting, throwing molotov cocktails and police cars burning 310 00:19:56,920 --> 00:20:01,159 Speaker 10: down police precincts. Imagine if that had actually toppled the 311 00:20:01,280 --> 00:20:06,720 Speaker 10: US government and installed without an election, a new head 312 00:20:06,760 --> 00:20:09,639 Speaker 10: of state in America. That is what was done in 313 00:20:09,800 --> 00:20:14,000 Speaker 10: Ukraine in twenty fourteen in the Maidan Square. Now, what 314 00:20:14,080 --> 00:20:16,679 Speaker 10: had happened was there was a tug of war in 315 00:20:16,800 --> 00:20:22,160 Speaker 10: Ukraine between the US government and its Democrats and Ukraine's 316 00:20:22,240 --> 00:20:28,600 Speaker 10: democratically elected president, Viktor Yanikovich. Victor Yanikovich was not a 317 00:20:28,880 --> 00:20:35,640 Speaker 10: Russian vassal leader. Russia at the time was split between 318 00:20:35,800 --> 00:20:47,359 Speaker 10: a largely Ukrainian ethnic, more pro EU pro Euroatlantic Axis 319 00:20:47,400 --> 00:20:54,639 Speaker 10: West and a Russian ethnic, more pro Russian East, and 320 00:20:55,720 --> 00:21:01,440 Speaker 10: the two basically demographic blocks of the country tree resulted 321 00:21:01,600 --> 00:21:05,280 Speaker 10: in there being a mostly middle of the way president 322 00:21:05,640 --> 00:21:09,480 Speaker 10: in the form of Viktor Yanikovich, who tried to play 323 00:21:09,560 --> 00:21:14,480 Speaker 10: nice with both sides. That is, while the still maintained 324 00:21:14,560 --> 00:21:19,600 Speaker 10: gas transit and in a sort of cozy economic relationship 325 00:21:19,720 --> 00:21:25,960 Speaker 10: with Russia, still signed multi billion dollar deals with every 326 00:21:26,000 --> 00:21:29,960 Speaker 10: manner of Western company, including a ten billion dollar deal 327 00:21:30,200 --> 00:21:34,639 Speaker 10: with Chevron, a ten billion partnered with NAFTA Gas, the 328 00:21:34,720 --> 00:21:37,520 Speaker 10: main gas giant Ukraine, which is responsible for most of 329 00:21:37,600 --> 00:21:42,399 Speaker 10: Ukraine's internal revenue, a ten billion dollar gas deal with Shell, 330 00:21:42,880 --> 00:21:46,679 Speaker 10: the British petroleum giant, as well as many others. But 331 00:21:47,080 --> 00:21:50,159 Speaker 10: at the time, the US government as well as the 332 00:21:50,160 --> 00:21:54,440 Speaker 10: Brits were trying to pull Ukraine into an economic treaty 333 00:21:55,080 --> 00:22:00,640 Speaker 10: that would have foreclosed on effectively any economic activity with Russia, 334 00:22:00,960 --> 00:22:04,640 Speaker 10: and the terms of this were very brutal on Ukraine, 335 00:22:05,359 --> 00:22:11,520 Speaker 10: and Ukraine rejected this deal in late twenty thirteen. About 336 00:22:11,560 --> 00:22:15,680 Speaker 10: December twenty thirteen, after dragging its feet for a long 337 00:22:15,760 --> 00:22:18,760 Speaker 10: time about who it was going to go to prom 338 00:22:18,800 --> 00:22:24,320 Speaker 10: with effectively in terms of its economic pact, either the 339 00:22:24,359 --> 00:22:29,000 Speaker 10: West or Russia, ultimately decided to sign this economic deal 340 00:22:29,080 --> 00:22:35,000 Speaker 10: with Russia, and within two months of that, the Americans 341 00:22:35,080 --> 00:22:40,639 Speaker 10: and the Brits organized probably the most significant other than 342 00:22:40,720 --> 00:22:44,040 Speaker 10: nine to eleven, you could argue with the most significant 343 00:22:44,359 --> 00:22:49,480 Speaker 10: event in twenty first century history geopolitically, which was the 344 00:22:49,560 --> 00:22:54,359 Speaker 10: Maidan Square Revolution, which set in motion the war we 345 00:22:54,400 --> 00:22:56,840 Speaker 10: are now in today happened. 346 00:22:56,880 --> 00:23:00,680 Speaker 1: And then let's also point out listen names names here, 347 00:23:00,720 --> 00:23:03,439 Speaker 1: because this wasn't just happening in a vacuum. You had 348 00:23:03,480 --> 00:23:06,680 Speaker 1: people like Victoria Newland handing out cookies. Hillary Clinton was 349 00:23:06,720 --> 00:23:09,840 Speaker 1: of course fanning the flames of his all along as 350 00:23:09,880 --> 00:23:13,240 Speaker 1: she was, she'd stepped down from the Obama administration, but 351 00:23:13,280 --> 00:23:16,080 Speaker 1: you know, really setting all this in motion and then 352 00:23:16,600 --> 00:23:19,760 Speaker 1: then working to run for president, So she was extremely blank. 353 00:23:19,880 --> 00:23:22,399 Speaker 1: Jake Sullivan, who someone was there? To any Blincoln who 354 00:23:22,480 --> 00:23:24,800 Speaker 1: someone was involved? But we hear some We look at 355 00:23:24,800 --> 00:23:25,960 Speaker 1: some of the names that are on the ground. It 356 00:23:26,000 --> 00:23:28,480 Speaker 1: was a little bit bipartisan, wasn't it, in terms of 357 00:23:28,480 --> 00:23:29,920 Speaker 1: Americans who traveled over there. 358 00:23:30,560 --> 00:23:35,080 Speaker 10: Oh, absolutely bipartisan. You had John McCain on the ground. 359 00:23:35,119 --> 00:23:38,479 Speaker 10: There's a footage you can look up of him actually 360 00:23:38,520 --> 00:23:43,800 Speaker 10: recording out of his window in Ukraine as the Ukrainian 361 00:23:43,880 --> 00:23:47,680 Speaker 10: rioters were taking over the Parliament building in the square. 362 00:23:48,920 --> 00:23:52,080 Speaker 10: You can see him looking out his window, and they 363 00:23:52,080 --> 00:23:55,160 Speaker 10: appear to be toasting to it, him and Chris Murphy, 364 00:23:55,240 --> 00:24:00,920 Speaker 10: the Senator from Connecticut. I believe it was very much 365 00:24:00,960 --> 00:24:06,159 Speaker 10: a bipartisan thing, as is not uncommon in these regime 366 00:24:06,240 --> 00:24:09,200 Speaker 10: change operations. This is how you have institutions like the 367 00:24:09,280 --> 00:24:11,720 Speaker 10: National NAMA for Democracy on the ground with both of 368 00:24:11,760 --> 00:24:18,480 Speaker 10: its political cores, the NDI for Democrats, the IRI for Republicans. 369 00:24:19,680 --> 00:24:21,719 Speaker 10: The National Down for Democracy was set up by the 370 00:24:21,720 --> 00:24:26,640 Speaker 10: CIA in nineteen eighty two nineteen eighty three and was 371 00:24:26,960 --> 00:24:30,360 Speaker 10: even defunded by Congress in nineteen eighty four for being 372 00:24:30,400 --> 00:24:35,120 Speaker 10: too much of a CIA front. But you had economic 373 00:24:35,200 --> 00:24:39,560 Speaker 10: stakeholders from the donor class of both parties who had 374 00:24:39,600 --> 00:24:44,520 Speaker 10: a vested interest in taking over Ukraine and buying it 375 00:24:44,640 --> 00:24:48,560 Speaker 10: up and privatizing its assets and taking control of its 376 00:24:48,640 --> 00:24:53,399 Speaker 10: natural resources. And this is quickly what was installed in 377 00:24:53,440 --> 00:24:56,920 Speaker 10: the post twenty fourteen Ukraine government. You mentioned Victoria Newland, 378 00:24:57,119 --> 00:25:00,359 Speaker 10: who at the time was the Assistant Secretary for Europe 379 00:25:00,359 --> 00:25:03,119 Speaker 10: and Eurasian Affairs at the US State Department, as well 380 00:25:03,160 --> 00:25:05,240 Speaker 10: as Jeffrey Piatt, who at the time was the head 381 00:25:05,280 --> 00:25:08,880 Speaker 10: of the US Embassy in Kiev, and Victoria Newland bragged 382 00:25:08,880 --> 00:25:12,840 Speaker 10: on tape that in December twenty thirteen, as she's standing 383 00:25:13,000 --> 00:25:19,080 Speaker 10: in front of a sign for Chevron and Egxon mobiles, 384 00:25:19,200 --> 00:25:24,520 Speaker 10: She's literally right in back of her are signs for 385 00:25:24,640 --> 00:25:30,360 Speaker 10: Egxon and Chevron. As she's talking in twenty thirteen about 386 00:25:30,440 --> 00:25:36,800 Speaker 10: the USAID funding Ukrainian civil society institutions the tune of 387 00:25:36,880 --> 00:25:42,240 Speaker 10: five billion dollars. Now, those are assets. That's called capacity 388 00:25:42,280 --> 00:25:44,919 Speaker 10: building when you are I think of it like raising 389 00:25:44,960 --> 00:25:48,680 Speaker 10: a mercenary army five billion dollars, which goes a very 390 00:25:48,760 --> 00:25:52,720 Speaker 10: long way in the low GDB country like Ukraine, towards 391 00:25:52,800 --> 00:25:56,720 Speaker 10: being able to bribe people, towards being able to mobilize 392 00:25:56,720 --> 00:26:00,359 Speaker 10: people to take action. This is what Jeffrey Sach, the 393 00:26:00,440 --> 00:26:05,919 Speaker 10: Harvard economists now at Columbia said when he was brought 394 00:26:05,920 --> 00:26:09,960 Speaker 10: to Ukraine as an economic advisor in the immediate aftermath 395 00:26:10,359 --> 00:26:13,919 Speaker 10: the week after the Maidan kup that he was toured. 396 00:26:14,160 --> 00:26:17,280 Speaker 10: He was taken around to tour the Maidan Square and 397 00:26:17,400 --> 00:26:23,720 Speaker 10: was told about how USAID had effectively busted in protesters 398 00:26:24,240 --> 00:26:29,679 Speaker 10: to the capital. This was a playbook that worked very 399 00:26:29,720 --> 00:26:32,880 Speaker 10: effectively in Serbia. You can watch a documentary called from 400 00:26:33,760 --> 00:26:37,560 Speaker 10: Taking Down a Dictator that was produced I believe by PBS, 401 00:26:37,960 --> 00:26:43,119 Speaker 10: which shows in granular detail how these operations are are, right, j. 402 00:26:44,359 --> 00:26:48,679 Speaker 1: They were showing the operation because they were celebrating it. 403 00:26:48,720 --> 00:26:50,560 Speaker 1: But of course if we call it out and are 404 00:26:50,600 --> 00:26:53,080 Speaker 1: critical of it, they will claim that we are conspiracy 405 00:26:53,119 --> 00:26:55,760 Speaker 1: theorists and none of it happened. Jack pie CEVIEC, Mike 406 00:26:55,800 --> 00:26:56,480 Speaker 1: Bens right back. 407 00:27:00,240 --> 00:27:04,199 Speaker 12: He will not accept Russia's occupation and illegal annexation of 408 00:27:04,280 --> 00:27:07,880 Speaker 12: Crimea or any part of Ukraine. Ukraine must be free 409 00:27:07,920 --> 00:27:10,879 Speaker 12: to decide its own destiny, and this week NATO must 410 00:27:11,000 --> 00:27:14,600 Speaker 12: send an unmistakable message in support of Ukraine as well. 411 00:27:14,920 --> 00:27:18,359 Speaker 12: Today we are bound by our treaty Alliance. We have 412 00:27:18,480 --> 00:27:19,800 Speaker 12: a solemn duty to each other. 413 00:27:19,840 --> 00:27:22,879 Speaker 1: All right, Jack PROSOBC, Mike Bend, we are back live. 414 00:27:23,080 --> 00:27:27,720 Speaker 1: This is tales a regime chain shadow over Ukraine, and 415 00:27:27,760 --> 00:27:31,560 Speaker 1: Benz you're walking through how this Midon Revolution really was 416 00:27:31,680 --> 00:27:37,320 Speaker 1: a George Floyd style US government backed color revolution that 417 00:27:37,600 --> 00:27:42,720 Speaker 1: saw elements of John McCain and Democrats and George Soros 418 00:27:42,880 --> 00:27:45,000 Speaker 1: all working together to again. And I just want to 419 00:27:45,000 --> 00:27:47,040 Speaker 1: be very clear about this, I mean very very clear 420 00:27:47,080 --> 00:27:49,679 Speaker 1: about this to everybody out there that whether or not 421 00:27:49,880 --> 00:27:55,560 Speaker 1: you liked or supported Vikkyanikovich, the previous president of Ukraine. 422 00:27:55,680 --> 00:28:00,800 Speaker 1: He was a democratically elected president of the country. He 423 00:28:01,080 --> 00:28:05,399 Speaker 1: was elected by the people of Ukraine, and there was 424 00:28:05,480 --> 00:28:09,680 Speaker 1: no legal process to remove him from power. He was ousted, 425 00:28:10,000 --> 00:28:13,120 Speaker 1: he was forced to step down and flee the country 426 00:28:13,520 --> 00:28:17,400 Speaker 1: by elements of the US government, all in the name 427 00:28:17,680 --> 00:28:23,920 Speaker 1: of democracy and just that basic understanding that the US 428 00:28:24,000 --> 00:28:27,439 Speaker 1: government under Obama at the time, working with Hillary was 429 00:28:28,280 --> 00:28:33,840 Speaker 1: targeted and openly stating their hostility towards Russia. Then when 430 00:28:33,840 --> 00:28:36,720 Speaker 1: you see the response from Russia, you have to really 431 00:28:36,760 --> 00:28:42,840 Speaker 1: ask yourselves was this unprovoked or perhaps was there something 432 00:28:43,120 --> 00:28:46,920 Speaker 1: that caused them to react this way. So the Maidan 433 00:28:47,000 --> 00:28:50,680 Speaker 1: Revolution takes place, the US government gets their hooks in 434 00:28:50,840 --> 00:28:57,840 Speaker 1: US intelligence bends what happens next in Ukraine. 435 00:28:56,520 --> 00:29:00,120 Speaker 10: Well so on the topic of the intelligence state, New 436 00:29:00,200 --> 00:29:04,880 Speaker 10: York Times actually published that the very night of the 437 00:29:05,760 --> 00:29:10,880 Speaker 10: very morning after the Maidan Square toppled Viktor Yanikovich and 438 00:29:11,160 --> 00:29:16,520 Speaker 10: installed Yatsun Yuk in Ukraine. He was not elected. The 439 00:29:17,200 --> 00:29:20,800 Speaker 10: new head of state was literally selected in a joint 440 00:29:20,840 --> 00:29:24,640 Speaker 10: phone call by Victorian Newland and Jeff piet who in 441 00:29:24,760 --> 00:29:29,440 Speaker 10: very explicit terms picked the next president of Ukraine, not 442 00:29:29,520 --> 00:29:33,360 Speaker 10: the Ukrainian people, but the very next day, the New 443 00:29:33,480 --> 00:29:39,080 Speaker 10: York Times as a published in a piece I believe 444 00:29:39,120 --> 00:29:41,680 Speaker 10: it was last year or two years ago, they published 445 00:29:41,680 --> 00:29:47,760 Speaker 10: a reconstruction of Ukraine's intelligence state. They did this as 446 00:29:47,840 --> 00:29:52,320 Speaker 10: the funding for the CIA was potentially under pressure in Ukraine. 447 00:29:52,360 --> 00:29:55,000 Speaker 10: But what they said is that the new head of 448 00:29:55,120 --> 00:30:02,000 Speaker 10: Ukrainian intelligence walked into the building of Ukraine Intelligence Center 449 00:30:02,920 --> 00:30:06,360 Speaker 10: the day after the coup was complete, and the lights 450 00:30:06,360 --> 00:30:10,760 Speaker 10: were off and documents were scattered everywhere, and the first 451 00:30:10,760 --> 00:30:13,720 Speaker 10: thing he did is he placed two phone calls, one 452 00:30:13,880 --> 00:30:19,040 Speaker 10: to the chief, the CIA chief of station and one 453 00:30:19,120 --> 00:30:21,640 Speaker 10: to the mi I six chief of station in Ukraine. 454 00:30:22,280 --> 00:30:26,080 Speaker 10: And a three way partnership was struck the very day 455 00:30:26,120 --> 00:30:30,400 Speaker 10: after the coup to rebuild Ukraine's intelligence state from the 456 00:30:30,440 --> 00:30:34,280 Speaker 10: ground up, as a three way partnership between Ukraine, the 457 00:30:34,920 --> 00:30:40,960 Speaker 10: CIA and MI six. So not only did the Obama 458 00:30:41,000 --> 00:30:45,520 Speaker 10: administration and the British government overthrow the Democrat the elected 459 00:30:45,560 --> 00:30:50,240 Speaker 10: government of Ukraine, but then they immediately took control, through 460 00:30:50,280 --> 00:30:54,920 Speaker 10: the CIA and MI six of the intelligence services in 461 00:30:55,040 --> 00:30:59,200 Speaker 10: Ukraine from the ground up. Now, what's what's it's important 462 00:30:59,240 --> 00:31:03,200 Speaker 10: to I guess get a ground, granular view of the 463 00:31:03,320 --> 00:31:08,080 Speaker 10: terror that takes place during these the key moments of 464 00:31:08,080 --> 00:31:12,160 Speaker 10: a color revolution. Not only was five billion dollars funneled 465 00:31:12,400 --> 00:31:16,400 Speaker 10: to the Right sector mobs and protesters who took to 466 00:31:16,440 --> 00:31:19,760 Speaker 10: the streets in Ukraine, but he also had sequestions. 467 00:31:19,760 --> 00:31:23,640 Speaker 1: So hold on, hold on, what is right sector? When 468 00:31:23,680 --> 00:31:25,160 Speaker 1: you mentioned the right sector. 469 00:31:25,000 --> 00:31:29,560 Speaker 10: Who are they? What do they believe? Well, the problem is, 470 00:31:29,640 --> 00:31:33,080 Speaker 10: I think you're probably getting to, is that many of 471 00:31:33,080 --> 00:31:36,920 Speaker 10: these elements have been associated with Nazi elements in Ukraine, 472 00:31:37,600 --> 00:31:41,680 Speaker 10: and it was, but the right sector was is essentially 473 00:31:42,000 --> 00:31:47,640 Speaker 10: a hard right nationalist movement in Ukraine that comes out 474 00:31:47,680 --> 00:31:51,320 Speaker 10: of this anti Soviet milieu. There was a kind of 475 00:31:51,440 --> 00:31:58,600 Speaker 10: Nazi versus Communist civil war playing out in uh not 476 00:31:58,760 --> 00:32:01,400 Speaker 10: just during World War Two, but in the aftermath. Is 477 00:32:01,440 --> 00:32:05,040 Speaker 10: there was a struggle between hard right elements in Europe 478 00:32:05,040 --> 00:32:08,080 Speaker 10: and hard left elements in Europe. And in the same 479 00:32:08,160 --> 00:32:14,520 Speaker 10: way that the US government backed Islamo fascist elements like 480 00:32:14,560 --> 00:32:20,360 Speaker 10: the Mujahadeen and al Qaeda and isis when it's geopolitically useful, 481 00:32:21,080 --> 00:32:24,959 Speaker 10: the US government also supported factions like the asof Battalion 482 00:32:25,640 --> 00:32:27,080 Speaker 10: and hard right. 483 00:32:27,160 --> 00:32:28,600 Speaker 1: Wait wait, guys, I just want to. 484 00:32:30,120 --> 00:32:35,320 Speaker 10: No, sorry of the right sector in Ukraine, because they 485 00:32:35,320 --> 00:32:39,200 Speaker 10: were so virulently anti Soviet it was deemed as being 486 00:32:39,880 --> 00:32:44,200 Speaker 10: useful as a battering ram to take down Ukraine's democratically 487 00:32:44,200 --> 00:32:48,000 Speaker 10: elected governments as a pro Russian government. 488 00:32:48,920 --> 00:32:50,800 Speaker 1: And the only thing I wanted to add is that 489 00:32:50,920 --> 00:32:55,000 Speaker 1: so till you know, for folks watching these episodes, Mike 490 00:32:55,080 --> 00:32:57,520 Speaker 1: hasn't seen the other you know, go pull back the 491 00:32:57,560 --> 00:32:59,040 Speaker 1: fourth curtain here a little bit to go break the 492 00:32:59,040 --> 00:33:02,120 Speaker 1: fourth wall, as they say, Mike hasn't seen the other episodes, 493 00:33:02,160 --> 00:33:06,160 Speaker 1: because that's exactly what we talk about in those episodes 494 00:33:06,240 --> 00:33:09,440 Speaker 1: as well. So and in fact, the one in Afghanistan 495 00:33:09,840 --> 00:33:13,840 Speaker 1: was to take out the Russians. And so we took 496 00:33:13,880 --> 00:33:16,320 Speaker 1: this element that we said, oh, this can be a 497 00:33:16,360 --> 00:33:19,960 Speaker 1: good useful proxy for us, a proxy group. And yes 498 00:33:20,000 --> 00:33:24,400 Speaker 1: they may have these radical Islamic beliefs, but who cares. 499 00:33:24,480 --> 00:33:27,080 Speaker 1: What's prop them up and fund them and arm them, 500 00:33:27,080 --> 00:33:29,280 Speaker 1: and we can use them against Russia and then we 501 00:33:29,320 --> 00:33:31,880 Speaker 1: can do the same thing. And by the way, all 502 00:33:31,920 --> 00:33:34,560 Speaker 1: of this just go look at the timeframe. This was 503 00:33:34,600 --> 00:33:39,000 Speaker 1: happening almost concurrently with the Operation Timber Sycamore, which is 504 00:33:39,040 --> 00:33:41,720 Speaker 1: going on in Syria, where you're seeing the same elements 505 00:33:41,760 --> 00:33:45,720 Speaker 1: go up against USAD, who was also Russian, you know, 506 00:33:45,840 --> 00:33:49,560 Speaker 1: Russian back. So we broke this series down into different 507 00:33:49,720 --> 00:33:53,480 Speaker 1: elements people, but you need to understand that Syria and 508 00:33:53,680 --> 00:33:59,000 Speaker 1: Ukraine were happening at the exact same time. So twenty twelve, 509 00:33:59,320 --> 00:34:03,680 Speaker 1: twenty thirteen into twenty fourteen, these we're breaking it down 510 00:34:03,720 --> 00:34:06,440 Speaker 1: episodically as separate, but they weren't separate. 511 00:34:06,520 --> 00:34:07,560 Speaker 10: In reality. 512 00:34:07,600 --> 00:34:10,640 Speaker 1: It was the same people, the same CIA, the same 513 00:34:10,680 --> 00:34:13,560 Speaker 1: President of the United States, the same commanders, the same 514 00:34:14,000 --> 00:34:15,640 Speaker 1: chain of command if you look at it all the 515 00:34:15,680 --> 00:34:17,840 Speaker 1: way from top down. And then Libya of course was 516 00:34:17,920 --> 00:34:21,759 Speaker 1: right before the entire Arab spring, Benghazi the rest of it, 517 00:34:22,040 --> 00:34:26,240 Speaker 1: running guns, running nan pads. This is what the Obama administrations, 518 00:34:26,400 --> 00:34:29,640 Speaker 1: particularly the second half of his administration, were doing the 519 00:34:30,000 --> 00:34:33,200 Speaker 1: entire time. And what do they do. They find these 520 00:34:33,239 --> 00:34:35,719 Speaker 1: groups and they say, hey, so it was it was 521 00:34:35,880 --> 00:34:38,399 Speaker 1: radical Islamists in the Middle East and up in. 522 00:34:39,480 --> 00:34:40,160 Speaker 10: Up in Ukraine. 523 00:34:40,160 --> 00:34:41,799 Speaker 1: They found a bunch of neo Nazis to do their 524 00:34:41,800 --> 00:34:44,200 Speaker 1: dirty work for them, and they never considered what the 525 00:34:44,280 --> 00:34:48,960 Speaker 1: secondary consequences or effects might be, which is what it Sorry, Mike, 526 00:34:49,000 --> 00:34:51,200 Speaker 1: didn't mean to break your your flow there, but it's 527 00:34:51,360 --> 00:34:54,560 Speaker 1: it's just so endemic. And here you pointed out even 528 00:34:54,560 --> 00:34:56,200 Speaker 1: when you haven't even seen the other episodes. 529 00:34:57,120 --> 00:34:58,960 Speaker 10: Oh, I'm glad you bring that up, because that was 530 00:34:59,000 --> 00:35:03,680 Speaker 10: part of the strategic Operation Timber Sycamore, the CIA operation 531 00:35:03,960 --> 00:35:10,399 Speaker 10: to arm effectively ISIS and al Qaeda elements who are 532 00:35:10,440 --> 00:35:14,400 Speaker 10: now in power today. Muhammad al Jilani was literally a 533 00:35:14,680 --> 00:35:19,799 Speaker 10: ISIS and al Qaeda commander being trained and funded by 534 00:35:19,960 --> 00:35:23,320 Speaker 10: the Central Intelligence Agency during Timber Sycamore was from twenty 535 00:35:23,440 --> 00:35:26,040 Speaker 10: to eleven to twenty sixteen, and part of the strategic 536 00:35:26,120 --> 00:35:31,080 Speaker 10: calculus around Ukraine was to weaken Russia's economic muscles so 537 00:35:31,160 --> 00:35:35,239 Speaker 10: it couldn't support Asad. This is part of the economic 538 00:35:35,880 --> 00:35:41,520 Speaker 10: deprivation strategy. It was Russia was providing S three hundred 539 00:35:41,600 --> 00:35:44,880 Speaker 10: and S four hundred air defense systems, which made a 540 00:35:45,080 --> 00:35:49,880 Speaker 10: bombs over Baghdad campaign not feasible in Syria in the 541 00:35:49,880 --> 00:35:54,160 Speaker 10: way that it was in Iraq. But what was happening 542 00:35:55,320 --> 00:35:59,520 Speaker 10: in the Maidan Square was a You had ninety percent 543 00:35:59,560 --> 00:36:04,040 Speaker 10: of Ukraine media ninety nine zero percent of Ukrainian media 544 00:36:04,040 --> 00:36:10,280 Speaker 10: institutions were funded by USAID, so the media inside Ukraine 545 00:36:10,840 --> 00:36:14,480 Speaker 10: was all telling these people your government is illegitimate. These 546 00:36:14,560 --> 00:36:19,399 Speaker 10: these these riots are mostly peaceful protests. Of course they 547 00:36:19,440 --> 00:36:25,600 Speaker 10: were armed. There were snipers shooting people, there were everything 548 00:36:25,680 --> 00:36:29,040 Speaker 10: was set on fire. It looks like it looks like 549 00:36:29,120 --> 00:36:33,600 Speaker 10: a total incineration of the main parliament square that was 550 00:36:33,760 --> 00:36:36,000 Speaker 10: if you look at the before and after pictures, it's 551 00:36:36,120 --> 00:36:40,600 Speaker 10: just it looks like Minneapolis. What was done to the 552 00:36:41,680 --> 00:36:46,600 Speaker 10: capital city of Ukraine at this time. Now, meanwhile, everyone 553 00:36:46,680 --> 00:36:51,120 Speaker 10: was being psyopped and gas lit into into the idea 554 00:36:51,160 --> 00:36:54,800 Speaker 10: that these were being these were peaceful protests or mostly 555 00:36:54,840 --> 00:36:58,839 Speaker 10: peaceful protests, and that cudgel, the idea that these were 556 00:36:58,920 --> 00:37:01,960 Speaker 10: peaceful protests, which they absolutely were not, in the same 557 00:37:02,000 --> 00:37:05,200 Speaker 10: way that the George Floyd riots were not, was used 558 00:37:05,280 --> 00:37:10,279 Speaker 10: as a economic cudgels. There's a very important lynchpin to 559 00:37:10,360 --> 00:37:14,560 Speaker 10: the idea to framing violence as being peaceful protests, because 560 00:37:14,640 --> 00:37:18,200 Speaker 10: that means if a government cracks down on the protests, 561 00:37:18,680 --> 00:37:22,480 Speaker 10: that can now be contextualized as a human rights violation 562 00:37:22,800 --> 00:37:25,480 Speaker 10: because they are peaceful. And this is exactly what the 563 00:37:25,560 --> 00:37:29,560 Speaker 10: US government did to Ukraine as it was funding the riots. 564 00:37:29,920 --> 00:37:34,480 Speaker 10: The US government threatened sanctions on the Democrat, the democratic, 565 00:37:34,520 --> 00:37:38,279 Speaker 10: the elected government at Ukraine if they fought back, if 566 00:37:38,320 --> 00:37:43,040 Speaker 10: they used police or military security forces to defend itself 567 00:37:43,160 --> 00:37:45,560 Speaker 10: from government, it was a hostile coup. 568 00:37:45,719 --> 00:37:47,640 Speaker 1: It was a hostile coup, and it needs to be 569 00:37:48,000 --> 00:37:51,120 Speaker 1: described in that way. Jack Kisovic might bens right back. 570 00:38:00,440 --> 00:38:03,839 Speaker 13: As the brutal war between Russia and Ukraine rages on, 571 00:38:04,680 --> 00:38:10,640 Speaker 13: fierce fighting persists across multiple fronts in a grim milestone. 572 00:38:10,960 --> 00:38:14,960 Speaker 13: Recent reports indicate that over one million lives have been 573 00:38:15,000 --> 00:38:19,759 Speaker 13: lost since the conflict escalated in February twenty twenty two. 574 00:38:20,080 --> 00:38:26,080 Speaker 1: Jack rezoviker back here, tales of regime change shadow over Ukraine, 575 00:38:26,080 --> 00:38:28,319 Speaker 1: and so I want to fast forward now in our 576 00:38:28,360 --> 00:38:32,919 Speaker 1: final segment two or we're currently at So look, I've 577 00:38:32,920 --> 00:38:36,200 Speaker 1: had the opportunity of a lifetime, and i want to 578 00:38:36,200 --> 00:38:41,040 Speaker 1: say I'm honored to be considered to have the ability 579 00:38:41,360 --> 00:38:45,400 Speaker 1: for the Trump administration to have a front row seat 580 00:38:45,560 --> 00:38:49,000 Speaker 1: to history in the making. Secretary Bess and Secretary of 581 00:38:49,040 --> 00:38:52,600 Speaker 1: Treasury took me on a train all the way to Kiev, 582 00:38:52,640 --> 00:38:56,120 Speaker 1: the night train to Kiev and traveled with him to 583 00:38:56,239 --> 00:38:59,120 Speaker 1: meet with Zelensky at the Presidential Palace of Ukraine to 584 00:38:59,280 --> 00:39:02,760 Speaker 1: be able to talk within the opening stages of Trump's 585 00:39:02,760 --> 00:39:06,399 Speaker 1: attempts to end the current Ukraine War. Regarding the mineral deal, 586 00:39:06,719 --> 00:39:10,400 Speaker 1: then President Trump himself asked if I would accompany the 587 00:39:11,239 --> 00:39:16,040 Speaker 1: Air Force one on the way to the Anchorage Accords 588 00:39:16,080 --> 00:39:19,920 Speaker 1: to sit down with Putin that was held in Anchorage, Alaska, 589 00:39:19,960 --> 00:39:22,319 Speaker 1: the first time at Russian president has ever set foot 590 00:39:22,360 --> 00:39:25,680 Speaker 1: or any Russian leader has ever set foot in Alaska, 591 00:39:25,880 --> 00:39:29,600 Speaker 1: even going back to the time when Alaska itself was 592 00:39:29,880 --> 00:39:36,719 Speaker 1: under Russian control, Russian imperial control. And these negotiations as 593 00:39:36,760 --> 00:39:42,279 Speaker 1: they've been progressing, as they've been continuing, that we need 594 00:39:42,320 --> 00:39:46,359 Speaker 1: to understand that when we're talking to the Russians. Now, 595 00:39:46,360 --> 00:39:48,120 Speaker 1: this is key, this is key where I say we 596 00:39:48,160 --> 00:39:52,279 Speaker 1: have mean the Americans. We need to understand that this 597 00:39:52,640 --> 00:39:57,040 Speaker 1: is their perception of events. Now you can disagree, and 598 00:39:57,080 --> 00:39:59,600 Speaker 1: you can say, well, you know, you know, Russia shouldn't 599 00:39:59,600 --> 00:40:01,839 Speaker 1: have done that and they shouldn't look at it that way, 600 00:40:01,880 --> 00:40:05,000 Speaker 1: and that's fine, but you need to understand this is 601 00:40:05,040 --> 00:40:09,040 Speaker 1: the perspective from which they are coming. And if you 602 00:40:09,200 --> 00:40:13,600 Speaker 1: disagree and discount and disavow their perspective, then guess what, 603 00:40:14,000 --> 00:40:16,719 Speaker 1: you won't have any idea what you're doing. You won't 604 00:40:16,760 --> 00:40:20,680 Speaker 1: be able to come to any solution, So Bens, I'll 605 00:40:20,680 --> 00:40:23,640 Speaker 1: bring you back in here when we talk to the 606 00:40:23,680 --> 00:40:27,480 Speaker 1: Russians when the US is going through these negotiations, these 607 00:40:27,600 --> 00:40:30,080 Speaker 1: are still the red lines for the Russians when it 608 00:40:30,120 --> 00:40:32,880 Speaker 1: comes down to it, because they don't want to see 609 00:40:32,880 --> 00:40:36,040 Speaker 1: something like this happen again, where Ukraine could then be 610 00:40:36,160 --> 00:40:40,719 Speaker 1: used as a launchpad for either a direct invasion or 611 00:40:40,920 --> 00:40:45,920 Speaker 1: military attack obviously into Russia, or even worse, another my 612 00:40:46,160 --> 00:40:50,000 Speaker 1: Don style revolution being launched in a place like Moscow 613 00:40:50,200 --> 00:40:55,239 Speaker 1: or say Saint Petersburg, where we remember that the original 614 00:40:55,320 --> 00:40:59,279 Speaker 1: Bolshevik revolution all the way back to nineteen seventy seventeen 615 00:40:59,760 --> 00:41:04,080 Speaker 1: was a German backed revolution, a color revolution if you will, 616 00:41:04,400 --> 00:41:06,040 Speaker 1: that started in Saint Petersburg. 617 00:41:07,160 --> 00:41:09,280 Speaker 10: Well, that's exactly right. And it was during the Obama 618 00:41:09,280 --> 00:41:12,840 Speaker 10: administration that USAID was kicked out of the country, the 619 00:41:12,920 --> 00:41:15,760 Speaker 10: National Damat for Democracy was kicked out of the country 620 00:41:16,120 --> 00:41:21,880 Speaker 10: precisely for fomenting color revolutions tactics inside of Moscow. The 621 00:41:22,239 --> 00:41:27,840 Speaker 10: US government was supporting Alexi Navalni, who was organizing riots 622 00:41:28,440 --> 00:41:32,760 Speaker 10: inside of Ukraine's even brought to the Yale Jackson School 623 00:41:32,880 --> 00:41:38,200 Speaker 10: the Maurice Greenberg World Fellows Program. Maurice Greenberg was asked 624 00:41:38,440 --> 00:41:42,080 Speaker 10: by Bill Clinton to be the Central Intelligence Agency Director. 625 00:41:42,680 --> 00:41:45,600 Speaker 10: This is literally a CIA incubator program that we brought 626 00:41:45,640 --> 00:41:52,640 Speaker 10: over for Hillary Clinton openly promoted this activity as Secretary 627 00:41:52,640 --> 00:41:55,960 Speaker 10: of State. Inside of Russia, you had the US government 628 00:41:56,320 --> 00:42:00,520 Speaker 10: funding through the National Damat for Democracy, the Pussy Riot 629 00:42:00,800 --> 00:42:04,440 Speaker 10: street protests. Pussy Riot was this music group that was 630 00:42:04,840 --> 00:42:10,640 Speaker 10: trying to incite violent protests against Putin inside of inside 631 00:42:10,640 --> 00:42:14,879 Speaker 10: of Russia. She met with Anthony Blincoln at the US 632 00:42:14,960 --> 00:42:20,040 Speaker 10: State Department. They were supported directly by the US embassy, 633 00:42:20,160 --> 00:42:22,920 Speaker 10: by the National Damut for Democracy or the CIA Front. 634 00:42:23,360 --> 00:42:29,040 Speaker 10: That's what contemporaneous with the Ukraine coup. But Russia is 635 00:42:29,080 --> 00:42:32,759 Speaker 10: obviously not going to forget this. This is existential for 636 00:42:32,800 --> 00:42:36,720 Speaker 10: the Russian government, as it would be for any reasonable government. 637 00:42:36,800 --> 00:42:40,960 Speaker 10: I am all for US influence and global leadership, but 638 00:42:41,360 --> 00:42:45,400 Speaker 10: when you fight this dirty, when you stoop to these tactics, 639 00:42:45,840 --> 00:42:50,719 Speaker 10: there is blowback. There is always blowback. There is global resentment, 640 00:42:51,080 --> 00:42:55,080 Speaker 10: and the people on the streets remember it to this day. Jack, 641 00:42:55,320 --> 00:42:58,759 Speaker 10: when we mentioned Black Lives Matter and the terror that 642 00:42:58,760 --> 00:43:01,120 Speaker 10: we all felt in the summer of each twenty, we 643 00:43:01,160 --> 00:43:04,120 Speaker 10: are now over five years past that, and it is. 644 00:43:04,160 --> 00:43:07,920 Speaker 10: It still feels like a fresh memory. You can imagine 645 00:43:08,080 --> 00:43:10,880 Speaker 10: what that feels like for the people of Ukraine, for 646 00:43:10,920 --> 00:43:15,080 Speaker 10: the people of Russia in the aftermath of that, and 647 00:43:15,200 --> 00:43:19,360 Speaker 10: the aftermath created that situation we're in now. What happened 648 00:43:19,520 --> 00:43:23,080 Speaker 10: after the twenty fourteen after the Maidan Square coup was 649 00:43:23,120 --> 00:43:27,000 Speaker 10: a counter coup. The entire eastern half of the country 650 00:43:27,400 --> 00:43:31,320 Speaker 10: broke away, did not respect the newly installed voted government, 651 00:43:31,360 --> 00:43:35,640 Speaker 10: which was not voted on, so Luhansk and Dunnetsk declared 652 00:43:35,680 --> 00:43:39,120 Speaker 10: themselves breakaway republics. This would be like, for example, if 653 00:43:39,160 --> 00:43:43,880 Speaker 10: Black Lives Matter toppled the US government and installed like 654 00:43:44,200 --> 00:43:47,680 Speaker 10: you know, Letitia James or something as president without a vote. 655 00:43:48,000 --> 00:43:53,040 Speaker 10: If Florida broke away and Texas broke away, and then 656 00:43:53,160 --> 00:44:00,360 Speaker 10: Crimea voted in a democratic referendum to join the Russian Federation. Formally, 657 00:44:00,440 --> 00:44:05,000 Speaker 10: this would be like, you know, Florida and Texas deciding 658 00:44:05,080 --> 00:44:07,080 Speaker 10: that they are now a part of I don't know, 659 00:44:07,239 --> 00:44:11,000 Speaker 10: Hungary or Poland or something. As a way of creating 660 00:44:11,160 --> 00:44:11,680 Speaker 10: a kind of. 661 00:44:11,840 --> 00:44:14,279 Speaker 1: Here's here's here's one of the ones. Oh wait, here's 662 00:44:14,280 --> 00:44:16,359 Speaker 1: one of the ones that I like to say. Let's 663 00:44:16,400 --> 00:44:22,760 Speaker 1: say somehow, all right, you know, somehow like Texas gets taken, 664 00:44:22,920 --> 00:44:25,800 Speaker 1: you know, breaks away from the United States, and then 665 00:44:26,440 --> 00:44:31,440 Speaker 1: maybe elements of another country come in and form a 666 00:44:31,560 --> 00:44:35,920 Speaker 1: socialist revolution there and the socialists take over, and I know, 667 00:44:35,960 --> 00:44:37,640 Speaker 1: I know, people say it wouldn't happen. I get it, 668 00:44:37,920 --> 00:44:41,759 Speaker 1: but you know, then they come in and they say, oh, 669 00:44:41,800 --> 00:44:44,120 Speaker 1: we're going to be signing a deal with the Chinese 670 00:44:44,280 --> 00:44:47,440 Speaker 1: and the Mexicans so their military can come into Texas. 671 00:44:48,080 --> 00:44:50,279 Speaker 1: The United States would never allow that. They would just 672 00:44:50,640 --> 00:44:54,319 Speaker 1: never allow that. No serious leader would allow something like 673 00:44:54,360 --> 00:44:57,440 Speaker 1: that to ever occur. They would say, this is Texas, 674 00:44:57,560 --> 00:45:00,520 Speaker 1: this is ridiculous. That is our territory. It has been 675 00:45:00,560 --> 00:45:04,040 Speaker 1: our territory. We fought for that territory. And the Russians, 676 00:45:04,080 --> 00:45:05,799 Speaker 1: when they look at Ukraine, they say, we fought for 677 00:45:05,840 --> 00:45:11,520 Speaker 1: this territory and lost how many millions in World War 678 00:45:11,560 --> 00:45:14,160 Speaker 1: Two when they fought to defend Ukraine and force the 679 00:45:14,239 --> 00:45:16,640 Speaker 1: Nazis out of Ukraine. To your point, that's why there's 680 00:45:16,840 --> 00:45:20,400 Speaker 1: so many of these leave behind groups in Ukraine in 681 00:45:20,440 --> 00:45:22,560 Speaker 1: the first place. And also there could be an interesting 682 00:45:23,080 --> 00:45:25,880 Speaker 1: we could do a whole episode on who exactly was 683 00:45:25,920 --> 00:45:29,799 Speaker 1: funding those leave behind groups and working with them in 684 00:45:29,840 --> 00:45:33,480 Speaker 1: those places after World War Two because may have some 685 00:45:33,600 --> 00:45:37,960 Speaker 1: interesting elements that people might not like to know who 686 00:45:38,040 --> 00:45:41,160 Speaker 1: was working with the Neo Nazis after nineteen forty five 687 00:45:41,320 --> 00:45:44,960 Speaker 1: all across Europe. But the point being is that's how 688 00:45:45,080 --> 00:45:47,800 Speaker 1: the Russians see it, and if we want to approach 689 00:45:47,840 --> 00:45:52,520 Speaker 1: these negotiations with any degree of understanding what the other 690 00:45:52,680 --> 00:45:55,920 Speaker 1: side is trying to say, we have to understand that 691 00:45:56,040 --> 00:45:59,280 Speaker 1: this is their perspective, and in fact, much of it 692 00:45:59,280 --> 00:46:01,920 Speaker 1: brings true last two minutes events. 693 00:46:02,719 --> 00:46:05,640 Speaker 10: There should be a formal apology by the Trump administration 694 00:46:05,920 --> 00:46:09,840 Speaker 10: to the Russians as part of this peace process for 695 00:46:09,920 --> 00:46:14,080 Speaker 10: the actions undertaken by the Obama government and some sort 696 00:46:14,120 --> 00:46:17,120 Speaker 10: of assurance or I think that would go a long way. 697 00:46:17,360 --> 00:46:21,600 Speaker 10: We are sorry for overthrowing the democratically elected government in 698 00:46:21,640 --> 00:46:26,280 Speaker 10: a coup. That was a mistake not to be repeated. 699 00:46:26,480 --> 00:46:30,880 Speaker 10: It was done by a corrupt administration that was power 700 00:46:31,880 --> 00:46:37,279 Speaker 10: hungry and mad and over zealous, and we have disbanded 701 00:46:37,320 --> 00:46:41,000 Speaker 10: many of the institutions associated with that, including USAID and 702 00:46:41,080 --> 00:46:43,480 Speaker 10: I hope the National Endama for Democracy and the like. 703 00:46:43,840 --> 00:46:47,120 Speaker 10: I think that that sort of formal statement would go 704 00:46:47,200 --> 00:46:50,239 Speaker 10: a long way to saying that this administration does not 705 00:46:50,440 --> 00:46:56,880 Speaker 10: stand with those sort of tactics to destabilize, to destabilize 706 00:46:56,880 --> 00:46:59,560 Speaker 10: governments and put them in the ruin that they're in. 707 00:47:00,239 --> 00:47:03,959 Speaker 1: And exactly right, Mike Benz, we're just out of time. 708 00:47:04,120 --> 00:47:06,520 Speaker 1: I wish we could. We could do four hours on this, 709 00:47:06,640 --> 00:47:09,000 Speaker 1: and I'm sure you have tell people where they can 710 00:47:09,040 --> 00:47:11,560 Speaker 1: go and get access to your content at your invot. 711 00:47:12,320 --> 00:47:14,840 Speaker 10: You can find me on x at Mike Ben's cyber 712 00:47:14,960 --> 00:47:16,560 Speaker 10: also on YouTube and rumble. 713 00:47:17,800 --> 00:47:22,080 Speaker 1: Folks, this has been Jack Pasobic Mike Benz here on 714 00:47:22,480 --> 00:47:29,080 Speaker 1: Tales of Regime change shadow over Ukraine. We need to 715 00:47:29,320 --> 00:47:34,160 Speaker 1: understand these regime change operations, where they come from, who 716 00:47:34,200 --> 00:47:37,719 Speaker 1: the people are behind them, who's really benefiting from them, 717 00:47:38,000 --> 00:47:41,920 Speaker 1: and how they always fail up against the law of 718 00:47:42,120 --> 00:47:45,759 Speaker 1: unintended consequences. Ladies and gentlemen. As always, you have my 719 00:47:45,800 --> 00:47:48,440 Speaker 1: permission to lay sure we