1 00:00:14,080 --> 00:00:17,119 Speaker 1: All right with us. Today we have Greg Barrel of 2 00:00:17,239 --> 00:00:20,440 Speaker 1: First Light. He's a white Tail product manager, and we're 3 00:00:20,440 --> 00:00:23,320 Speaker 1: going to dig into some new white Tail gear coming 4 00:00:23,320 --> 00:00:26,000 Speaker 1: out soon. Thanks for coming on, Greg, Yeah, thanks for 5 00:00:26,040 --> 00:00:29,240 Speaker 1: having me. I appreciate it. Yeah, what's new? What's coming 6 00:00:29,320 --> 00:00:34,400 Speaker 1: up coming up soon for the white Tail line? Well, um, 7 00:00:34,440 --> 00:00:39,720 Speaker 1: a few exciting additions. For two, I would say, most notably, 8 00:00:40,040 --> 00:00:42,800 Speaker 1: you know, something we've been working on for gosh over 9 00:00:42,840 --> 00:00:45,120 Speaker 1: three years now, um, is going to be the addition 10 00:00:45,400 --> 00:00:50,960 Speaker 1: of windproof membrane to our Solitude franchise of gear. Moving 11 00:00:51,000 --> 00:00:53,760 Speaker 1: that same membrane, which we can you know, talk more 12 00:00:53,800 --> 00:00:56,320 Speaker 1: about the kind of the tech and the exciting part 13 00:00:56,360 --> 00:01:00,720 Speaker 1: around that, but moving that into the Sanctuary franchise as well. Um. 14 00:01:00,760 --> 00:01:05,200 Speaker 1: And then we have some some pretty um exciting you know, 15 00:01:05,240 --> 00:01:08,880 Speaker 1: more active insulation pieces transitional layering pieces that we would 16 00:01:08,920 --> 00:01:11,560 Speaker 1: call them in both the source which is kind of 17 00:01:11,560 --> 00:01:14,960 Speaker 1: the white tailor's puffy jacket, if you will, and then 18 00:01:15,080 --> 00:01:19,080 Speaker 1: um also the Origin Hoodie, which is kind of a 19 00:01:19,360 --> 00:01:22,039 Speaker 1: you know, you're tried and true fleece mid layer you know, 20 00:01:22,080 --> 00:01:26,959 Speaker 1: another active insulation mid layer piece. UM. So yeah, that's 21 00:01:27,000 --> 00:01:30,080 Speaker 1: those are kind of the big hitters. For one, are 22 00:01:30,080 --> 00:01:32,720 Speaker 1: those going to be available. They're all available as of now. 23 00:01:32,840 --> 00:01:35,200 Speaker 1: There you go, we know what's what's coming down. Well, 24 00:01:35,200 --> 00:01:38,440 Speaker 1: well it's all available. Now let's dive in and talk 25 00:01:38,480 --> 00:01:41,440 Speaker 1: a little bit about what what it is. And I 26 00:01:41,480 --> 00:01:44,680 Speaker 1: think we should go talk about the windproofness of these, 27 00:01:44,720 --> 00:01:48,400 Speaker 1: the Solitude and the Sanctuary. I guess, like, tell me, 28 00:01:48,880 --> 00:01:53,480 Speaker 1: first of all, why wasn't the old Solitude and Sanctuary windproof? 29 00:01:53,840 --> 00:01:58,080 Speaker 1: That's a great question. So UM, you know, both of 30 00:01:58,120 --> 00:02:02,320 Speaker 1: those pieces UM and our original iterations, we would call 31 00:02:02,400 --> 00:02:05,400 Speaker 1: them highly wind resistant, and they were kind of wind 32 00:02:05,480 --> 00:02:09,280 Speaker 1: resistant UM by nature because of the makeup. There are 33 00:02:09,360 --> 00:02:13,360 Speaker 1: multiple layers of both textile and insulation, and as you 34 00:02:13,400 --> 00:02:15,320 Speaker 1: start to you know, layer those things put them on 35 00:02:15,400 --> 00:02:18,000 Speaker 1: top of each other, you're inherently creating a barrier for 36 00:02:18,040 --> 00:02:23,000 Speaker 1: things to pass through. UM. However, we have always listened 37 00:02:23,040 --> 00:02:25,520 Speaker 1: to customer feedback, We've always listened to you know, our 38 00:02:25,560 --> 00:02:29,880 Speaker 1: team's feedback, and found, especially in the Solitude franchise, that 39 00:02:29,919 --> 00:02:32,680 Speaker 1: just wasn't quite enough, which let us, you know, into 40 00:02:32,840 --> 00:02:37,160 Speaker 1: our search for how do you make UM a piece 41 00:02:37,200 --> 00:02:40,360 Speaker 1: like the Solitude not only windproof, which is really easy 42 00:02:40,400 --> 00:02:42,320 Speaker 1: to do. It's really easy to make piece windproof. But 43 00:02:42,360 --> 00:02:44,359 Speaker 1: where it gets where it gets hard, is how do 44 00:02:44,400 --> 00:02:49,040 Speaker 1: you make it windproof and quiet um Because inherently a 45 00:02:49,400 --> 00:02:52,800 Speaker 1: most windproof membranes, which is what you would use to 46 00:02:52,840 --> 00:02:55,840 Speaker 1: make it windproof, would be noisy. Correct. Yeah, so most 47 00:02:55,840 --> 00:02:59,800 Speaker 1: windproof membranes because they're they're they're a very shut down fabric, 48 00:02:59,840 --> 00:03:02,720 Speaker 1: which means the weave is really tight um or they 49 00:03:02,720 --> 00:03:06,280 Speaker 1: have some type of you know, post uh, we've finishing 50 00:03:06,320 --> 00:03:08,160 Speaker 1: done to them. Like if you think of a traditional 51 00:03:08,200 --> 00:03:11,520 Speaker 1: puffy jacket, you know, they're always kind of shiny um. 52 00:03:11,560 --> 00:03:13,239 Speaker 1: That's like a sea is what they call it. So 53 00:03:13,280 --> 00:03:15,960 Speaker 1: they essentially take a hot iron pressed on top of 54 00:03:15,960 --> 00:03:18,959 Speaker 1: the fabric. It melts the surface of it. Um makes 55 00:03:18,960 --> 00:03:20,760 Speaker 1: it a little more crispy, if you will, But it's 56 00:03:20,760 --> 00:03:25,080 Speaker 1: basically plugging all the pores, which is why it's windproof. However, Okay, 57 00:03:25,680 --> 00:03:29,000 Speaker 1: but we're talking more now about like the exterior fabrics, 58 00:03:29,040 --> 00:03:32,400 Speaker 1: not so much like a membrane inside of the jacket. 59 00:03:32,560 --> 00:03:35,240 Speaker 1: They're basically the same thing, right, So when somebody's putting 60 00:03:35,240 --> 00:03:39,680 Speaker 1: a windproof membrane into a into a jacket, it's not 61 00:03:39,840 --> 00:03:43,440 Speaker 1: dissimilar from most of the like the extr fabrics that 62 00:03:43,440 --> 00:03:47,440 Speaker 1: you would see on like a puffy jacket. Really mh. 63 00:03:48,600 --> 00:03:54,400 Speaker 1: But now you're gonna get a confused. But the exterior 64 00:03:54,440 --> 00:03:59,119 Speaker 1: of a jacket is not usually like a breathable lamb 65 00:03:59,200 --> 00:04:02,400 Speaker 1: in it or whatever they call it, right, Well, it depends, right, 66 00:04:02,440 --> 00:04:05,480 Speaker 1: So if you look at like um, like a waterproof 67 00:04:05,480 --> 00:04:09,400 Speaker 1: breathable for example, so a rain jacket that is inherently 68 00:04:09,400 --> 00:04:12,880 Speaker 1: windproof because it's waterproof, so it's it's shut down enough 69 00:04:12,960 --> 00:04:14,800 Speaker 1: that if water can't get through, wind's not going to 70 00:04:14,880 --> 00:04:17,479 Speaker 1: come through either. Now, the process of making a piece 71 00:04:17,560 --> 00:04:22,440 Speaker 1: like that, you're stacking layers of fabrics or membranes together. 72 00:04:22,600 --> 00:04:24,840 Speaker 1: You're such a gluing them together. Right at a very 73 00:04:24,920 --> 00:04:27,360 Speaker 1: high level, like simplistic way of thinking about it, You're 74 00:04:27,520 --> 00:04:31,760 Speaker 1: you're building a sandwich out of these different materials um. 75 00:04:31,800 --> 00:04:34,080 Speaker 1: But in like an outerwaar a piece like the Solitude 76 00:04:34,080 --> 00:04:36,760 Speaker 1: for example, you know, which we originally started talking about. 77 00:04:37,680 --> 00:04:41,080 Speaker 1: Most of the time, you know, people are accomplishing windproofness 78 00:04:41,080 --> 00:04:43,240 Speaker 1: and a jacket like that by putting you know, what 79 00:04:43,279 --> 00:04:45,920 Speaker 1: we call a membrane. But it's basically just a layer 80 00:04:45,960 --> 00:04:52,560 Speaker 1: of fabric that has those same windproof um capabilities inside 81 00:04:52,560 --> 00:04:55,479 Speaker 1: of that garment. So we call it technically a hanging membrane, 82 00:04:55,960 --> 00:04:58,080 Speaker 1: so it's sewn in into your sandwich. Try to give 83 00:04:58,120 --> 00:05:00,720 Speaker 1: a face fabric. You have insulation, you have this other 84 00:05:01,120 --> 00:05:03,960 Speaker 1: quote unquote membrane or other piece of fabric that's windproof, 85 00:05:04,080 --> 00:05:06,240 Speaker 1: and you have a liner and you put those together 86 00:05:06,279 --> 00:05:08,960 Speaker 1: in a configuration where you're trying to trap as much 87 00:05:09,000 --> 00:05:11,479 Speaker 1: heat as possible to keep yourself warm, and you're also 88 00:05:11,600 --> 00:05:16,560 Speaker 1: keeping the wind from coming through that garment. And yeah, 89 00:05:16,680 --> 00:05:20,200 Speaker 1: typically they're loud. So normally to get things windproof, like 90 00:05:20,240 --> 00:05:21,840 Speaker 1: I said, you know, you have to do some type 91 00:05:21,839 --> 00:05:25,599 Speaker 1: of finish that inherently makes it loud, or the type 92 00:05:25,640 --> 00:05:28,359 Speaker 1: of the way the fabric is actually put together. You know, 93 00:05:28,440 --> 00:05:31,080 Speaker 1: from the fiber level, it's done so in a way 94 00:05:31,120 --> 00:05:35,120 Speaker 1: that it's noisy because it's so it's so tightly woven, 95 00:05:35,760 --> 00:05:38,520 Speaker 1: or the nature of the fibers themselves, right, depending on 96 00:05:38,600 --> 00:05:41,800 Speaker 1: what they are, um, they're just a louder material in 97 00:05:41,920 --> 00:05:44,920 Speaker 1: order to get that windproof nows. So it's really kind 98 00:05:44,920 --> 00:05:46,960 Speaker 1: of the you know, it's it's the unicorn, right, like, 99 00:05:47,000 --> 00:05:49,480 Speaker 1: how do you get something to be windproof but not 100 00:05:49,760 --> 00:05:51,840 Speaker 1: have a bunch of noise added to the garment When 101 00:05:51,839 --> 00:05:56,799 Speaker 1: you added in there. Yeah, because anybody can just wear uh, 102 00:05:56,839 --> 00:05:59,240 Speaker 1: you know, like a slicker exactly, and it could be 103 00:05:59,240 --> 00:06:01,360 Speaker 1: completely wind roof, but it's gonna be hard hard to 104 00:06:01,400 --> 00:06:04,160 Speaker 1: draw your bow on a on a buck and that 105 00:06:04,200 --> 00:06:07,120 Speaker 1: thing exactly. And where it gets even worse is when 106 00:06:07,120 --> 00:06:09,919 Speaker 1: those garments get cold. Right, Typically when things get cold, 107 00:06:09,960 --> 00:06:15,440 Speaker 1: they get crunch here, right. Windproof membranes or textiles typically 108 00:06:15,440 --> 00:06:18,360 Speaker 1: do the same thing. So that's really the you know, 109 00:06:18,520 --> 00:06:20,520 Speaker 1: the hard nut to crack, and why it's taken us 110 00:06:20,560 --> 00:06:22,120 Speaker 1: as long as we did. I mean, it would have 111 00:06:22,120 --> 00:06:24,560 Speaker 1: been really easy just to grab a membrane off the 112 00:06:24,560 --> 00:06:26,880 Speaker 1: shelf and throw it in that piece. But I know 113 00:06:26,920 --> 00:06:28,800 Speaker 1: both of you guys have used the solitude before, and 114 00:06:28,839 --> 00:06:31,520 Speaker 1: I think I would hope you'd agree. It's it's extremely quiet. 115 00:06:31,560 --> 00:06:33,320 Speaker 1: I mean, that thing doesn't make any noise, right, So 116 00:06:33,360 --> 00:06:35,880 Speaker 1: how do we maintain that quiet nature of that piece 117 00:06:36,440 --> 00:06:39,600 Speaker 1: but yet add the windproof technology to it? Okay? So 118 00:06:39,600 --> 00:06:42,680 Speaker 1: how did you do it? So? You know, we started 119 00:06:42,720 --> 00:06:47,480 Speaker 1: with kind of these traditional membranes and just started plucking away, 120 00:06:47,480 --> 00:06:51,800 Speaker 1: trying different weaves, trying different densities, trying different finishing techniques. 121 00:06:52,040 --> 00:06:54,120 Speaker 1: You know. So we talked about like the cr A technique. 122 00:06:54,120 --> 00:06:56,440 Speaker 1: It's like, you know, if you see a of fabric, 123 00:06:56,480 --> 00:06:58,640 Speaker 1: what can you do to it after that? For example, 124 00:06:58,720 --> 00:07:00,719 Speaker 1: like you know kind of like sand master or brush 125 00:07:00,760 --> 00:07:03,000 Speaker 1: it to rough it back up right, because the more 126 00:07:03,080 --> 00:07:05,440 Speaker 1: loft of fabric has, the quieter it's going to be. 127 00:07:06,200 --> 00:07:08,479 Speaker 1: And we just started chipping away. It's like, okay, this works, 128 00:07:08,520 --> 00:07:12,320 Speaker 1: this doesn't you know, use a finer fiber, finer fibers 129 00:07:12,520 --> 00:07:14,880 Speaker 1: of you know, when you build a fabric out these fibers, 130 00:07:14,880 --> 00:07:17,200 Speaker 1: the finer they are, the quieter they normally are. One 131 00:07:17,240 --> 00:07:20,400 Speaker 1: of these. These fibers are mostly like a nylon fiber. 132 00:07:20,520 --> 00:07:22,960 Speaker 1: Nylon Paul's yeah, I mean depending on the membrane you're 133 00:07:22,960 --> 00:07:27,560 Speaker 1: talking about, they vary um and just you know, tried 134 00:07:27,640 --> 00:07:30,040 Speaker 1: one variable at a time. It's like, okay, this finer 135 00:07:30,120 --> 00:07:33,760 Speaker 1: fiber created a quieter membrane. Great, that's one step in 136 00:07:33,760 --> 00:07:37,560 Speaker 1: the right direction. You know, adding some type of brushing 137 00:07:37,600 --> 00:07:40,720 Speaker 1: to it um or or blasting to it after you 138 00:07:40,760 --> 00:07:42,640 Speaker 1: know it was c or a Great, that's quieter. Let's 139 00:07:42,640 --> 00:07:44,960 Speaker 1: put these two things together up. You know that didn't work. 140 00:07:45,000 --> 00:07:47,000 Speaker 1: Back to the drawing board and just piece by piece 141 00:07:47,040 --> 00:07:51,320 Speaker 1: by piece we worked with um you know, that textile manufacturer, 142 00:07:51,320 --> 00:07:53,040 Speaker 1: and it took a couple of years to get to 143 00:07:53,120 --> 00:07:56,640 Speaker 1: a point where we were happy with the windproofness and 144 00:07:56,680 --> 00:07:59,880 Speaker 1: we were happy with the noise. So can you say 145 00:08:00,120 --> 00:08:03,960 Speaker 1: you were working with that matter. Yeah, yeah, it's it's 146 00:08:04,000 --> 00:08:08,760 Speaker 1: that's not something we would necessarily share with the world. So, 147 00:08:08,920 --> 00:08:11,239 Speaker 1: but you but that that's cool that they would work 148 00:08:11,280 --> 00:08:14,880 Speaker 1: with you for that long because so they didn't have 149 00:08:14,920 --> 00:08:18,240 Speaker 1: a product, but they're like, okay, we'll try to make 150 00:08:18,320 --> 00:08:21,280 Speaker 1: what you're looking for. And so you guys just kept 151 00:08:21,280 --> 00:08:23,760 Speaker 1: going back and forth and finally they came up with it. Yeah, 152 00:08:23,760 --> 00:08:25,720 Speaker 1: And I mean they had a ton of options. Right 153 00:08:25,760 --> 00:08:28,600 Speaker 1: when we first went down this road, they had a 154 00:08:28,640 --> 00:08:33,079 Speaker 1: whole deck of windproof membranes. You know, they're very used 155 00:08:33,120 --> 00:08:37,440 Speaker 1: to working with high end outdoor apparel companies. They have 156 00:08:37,559 --> 00:08:39,679 Speaker 1: other companies they work with in that high end outdoor 157 00:08:39,760 --> 00:08:44,120 Speaker 1: space that use those other membranes. Just for us, we 158 00:08:44,120 --> 00:08:46,400 Speaker 1: we couldn't. We had to we had to dial in 159 00:08:46,440 --> 00:08:49,240 Speaker 1: the noise component of it, and that wasn't something that 160 00:08:49,480 --> 00:08:52,040 Speaker 1: you know a lot of people ask for. Um, you know, 161 00:08:52,080 --> 00:08:54,559 Speaker 1: even in like Western like you don't want to be 162 00:08:54,720 --> 00:08:56,120 Speaker 1: if you're a Western hunter, you don't want to be 163 00:08:56,200 --> 00:08:58,960 Speaker 1: super loud, but the noise just doesn't matter as much, 164 00:08:59,679 --> 00:09:03,040 Speaker 1: right because you're not typically as close to these critters. Um, 165 00:09:03,040 --> 00:09:05,640 Speaker 1: it's a different you know critter, it's a different pursuit, 166 00:09:06,400 --> 00:09:08,920 Speaker 1: so it's a little less important. Where for the white 167 00:09:08,920 --> 00:09:11,640 Speaker 1: tail guy or gal it's paramount like noises, you know, 168 00:09:11,720 --> 00:09:16,400 Speaker 1: one of the most important things. So tell me if 169 00:09:16,480 --> 00:09:19,240 Speaker 1: when when you guys had those early iterations and you 170 00:09:19,240 --> 00:09:21,360 Speaker 1: guys would put it into a jacket and put it on, 171 00:09:21,800 --> 00:09:27,160 Speaker 1: how how would that noise um present itself? Like what 172 00:09:27,200 --> 00:09:29,280 Speaker 1: did it sound like if you had where you're like, man, 173 00:09:29,320 --> 00:09:30,920 Speaker 1: this is no good. But what what like what was 174 00:09:30,920 --> 00:09:33,160 Speaker 1: it like? Because you were still like wearing a soft, 175 00:09:33,280 --> 00:09:37,800 Speaker 1: puffy solitude jacket, but inside there was this like yeah, 176 00:09:37,840 --> 00:09:40,160 Speaker 1: I mean was it like saran rap inside your jacket? 177 00:09:40,520 --> 00:09:42,080 Speaker 1: I mean it can present itself in a number of 178 00:09:42,080 --> 00:09:44,880 Speaker 1: different ways. So you know, one of the noise issues 179 00:09:45,000 --> 00:09:47,440 Speaker 1: we run into is like, yeah, like you think about 180 00:09:47,440 --> 00:09:50,640 Speaker 1: like a Frido's or like a Derrito's bag rapper, right 181 00:09:51,640 --> 00:09:54,559 Speaker 1: as you kind of manipulate that thing in your hand 182 00:09:54,600 --> 00:09:56,440 Speaker 1: when you're trying to open it or you're grabbing chip 183 00:09:56,440 --> 00:09:58,840 Speaker 1: side of it, has that crinkly, crunchy noise to it. 184 00:09:59,559 --> 00:10:01,440 Speaker 1: So so membranes when you put them, even though you're 185 00:10:01,440 --> 00:10:04,320 Speaker 1: putting them inside of a soft, puffy jacket, that noise 186 00:10:04,440 --> 00:10:07,600 Speaker 1: is still you know, penetrating through the other textiles and 187 00:10:07,600 --> 00:10:10,320 Speaker 1: you're hearing it. The other issue that you can run 188 00:10:10,320 --> 00:10:14,960 Speaker 1: into UM is like a surface to surface we call it. 189 00:10:15,040 --> 00:10:17,160 Speaker 1: So like when you go to draw your bow, the 190 00:10:17,200 --> 00:10:20,800 Speaker 1: forearm of your jacket sleeve might rub against the chest 191 00:10:20,920 --> 00:10:22,720 Speaker 1: of your jacket right as you're bringing that ball up 192 00:10:22,800 --> 00:10:25,760 Speaker 1: or drawing it. And depending on where that membrane is, 193 00:10:25,800 --> 00:10:28,040 Speaker 1: because it's a more typically a more rigid or like 194 00:10:28,160 --> 00:10:33,400 Speaker 1: bordy um textile UM, as it scrapes against itself or 195 00:10:33,440 --> 00:10:35,520 Speaker 1: there's contact there, you can get like a surface to 196 00:10:35,679 --> 00:10:40,120 Speaker 1: surface noise as well. So the like from the feel 197 00:10:40,320 --> 00:10:43,000 Speaker 1: of the old version of it, I guess to the 198 00:10:43,000 --> 00:10:45,439 Speaker 1: new version with the windproof in it. Can you can 199 00:10:45,480 --> 00:10:48,520 Speaker 1: you tell a difference, like when you the end user 200 00:10:48,600 --> 00:10:51,319 Speaker 1: is going to fuel the outside the untreined gear. No. 201 00:10:51,760 --> 00:10:55,000 Speaker 1: I mean if somebody like you know, for example, myself, 202 00:10:55,040 --> 00:10:57,880 Speaker 1: I have spent thousands and thousands of dollars with these garments. 203 00:10:57,880 --> 00:11:00,840 Speaker 1: If I'm in a room with no other background noise, right, 204 00:11:00,840 --> 00:11:02,440 Speaker 1: and it's just me and the two jackets. I could 205 00:11:02,440 --> 00:11:05,280 Speaker 1: probably pick out which one was which. But if you 206 00:11:05,320 --> 00:11:07,439 Speaker 1: get in the field, there's always a little bit of 207 00:11:07,440 --> 00:11:10,160 Speaker 1: ambient noise right leaves, their rustling is a little bit 208 00:11:10,200 --> 00:11:13,600 Speaker 1: of wind. You know, squirrels are making noise, whatever birds 209 00:11:13,600 --> 00:11:16,320 Speaker 1: are chirping. I can't tell the difference when I get 210 00:11:16,320 --> 00:11:18,680 Speaker 1: out in the field, but just touching it you wouldn't 211 00:11:18,679 --> 00:11:22,800 Speaker 1: feel difference either. Sweet, So you're just so when you 212 00:11:22,840 --> 00:11:24,680 Speaker 1: buy the new jacket, you're just gonna have to trust 213 00:11:24,720 --> 00:11:26,480 Speaker 1: greg that's in there because you're not going to be 214 00:11:26,559 --> 00:11:29,880 Speaker 1: able to tell well. And the other thing too, write 215 00:11:29,960 --> 00:11:32,800 Speaker 1: wind proof is great, especially at those temperatures in which 216 00:11:32,840 --> 00:11:35,520 Speaker 1: you're wearing the solitude. If wind is permeating your garment, 217 00:11:36,040 --> 00:11:38,880 Speaker 1: it's always gonna make you feel colder than the actual 218 00:11:39,040 --> 00:11:43,079 Speaker 1: thermometer is reading. Right, So that's an important aspect for 219 00:11:43,120 --> 00:11:46,559 Speaker 1: a garment that's supposed to be worn like the solitude 220 00:11:46,559 --> 00:11:49,080 Speaker 1: for example. You know I always tell people like, once 221 00:11:49,080 --> 00:11:51,679 Speaker 1: it gets below fifty down to like kind of that 222 00:11:51,760 --> 00:11:54,920 Speaker 1: freezing point, you know, that's your sweet spot for that garment. 223 00:11:55,440 --> 00:11:58,120 Speaker 1: And in those temperatures, winds matters, right, because a windy 224 00:11:58,200 --> 00:12:00,880 Speaker 1: day when it's forty five feels a whole colder than 225 00:12:01,120 --> 00:12:03,800 Speaker 1: a calm day when it's forty five. But the other 226 00:12:03,840 --> 00:12:07,440 Speaker 1: cool thing about these membranes, um, and the other improvement 227 00:12:07,480 --> 00:12:10,360 Speaker 1: that people are going to notice is obviously, if if 228 00:12:10,400 --> 00:12:14,520 Speaker 1: the membrane is keeping wind from coming in, it's also 229 00:12:14,640 --> 00:12:17,480 Speaker 1: keeping things from going out, right, So that garment is 230 00:12:17,520 --> 00:12:20,520 Speaker 1: actually gonna hold more of your body heat. It's going 231 00:12:20,600 --> 00:12:22,880 Speaker 1: to protect that, it's going to utilize your own you know, 232 00:12:22,880 --> 00:12:25,800 Speaker 1: your body is a furnace, so it's utilizing that heat 233 00:12:25,840 --> 00:12:29,640 Speaker 1: that you're producing to actually make the garment warmer as well. 234 00:12:30,320 --> 00:12:32,920 Speaker 1: So it's kind of a two fold benefit. Right, you're 235 00:12:32,960 --> 00:12:37,040 Speaker 1: keeping wind from coming in, you're also trapping, protecting, holding 236 00:12:37,480 --> 00:12:39,480 Speaker 1: more of that heat that your body is generating to 237 00:12:39,559 --> 00:12:42,679 Speaker 1: keep yourself warm while you're in the stand. Does it 238 00:12:42,800 --> 00:12:46,200 Speaker 1: breathe like? Is it breathable as well? It does breathe, 239 00:12:46,240 --> 00:12:49,280 Speaker 1: it's not going to breathe as much right as like 240 00:12:49,360 --> 00:12:53,160 Speaker 1: its predecessor. Which that's where those pieces like the source 241 00:12:53,280 --> 00:12:55,160 Speaker 1: or the origin. You know that I mentioned that white 242 00:12:55,200 --> 00:12:58,720 Speaker 1: Tailor's puffey jacket or those fleece pieces really coming handy 243 00:12:59,320 --> 00:13:01,680 Speaker 1: um because it's a one to punch, right, you have 244 00:13:01,760 --> 00:13:06,640 Speaker 1: like your active insulation. So when you're walking into the stand, right, 245 00:13:06,720 --> 00:13:09,920 Speaker 1: like sometimes people have a long walk in. Sometimes it's short. 246 00:13:09,960 --> 00:13:12,319 Speaker 1: You know, in certain parts of the country it's bluff country. 247 00:13:12,320 --> 00:13:14,640 Speaker 1: You've gotta climb a little bit elevation. Maybe you're hanging 248 00:13:14,640 --> 00:13:17,120 Speaker 1: a tree stand, you're doing like a hanging hunt. During 249 00:13:17,120 --> 00:13:22,280 Speaker 1: those activities, your body is generating heat and moisture, right, 250 00:13:22,480 --> 00:13:25,240 Speaker 1: is the killer of staying warm. So if you're wearing 251 00:13:25,280 --> 00:13:28,880 Speaker 1: a jacket that doesn't breathe really well um to do 252 00:13:28,960 --> 00:13:31,120 Speaker 1: those activities, you're gonna soak yourself from the inside out. 253 00:13:31,120 --> 00:13:32,920 Speaker 1: And it doesn't matter what you do. You know, as 254 00:13:32,920 --> 00:13:34,800 Speaker 1: soon as you become static and you're sitting there, you're 255 00:13:34,800 --> 00:13:39,360 Speaker 1: gonna get cold. Where those you know, transitional um or 256 00:13:39,440 --> 00:13:42,360 Speaker 1: active insulation pieces, that's what you can wear into the 257 00:13:42,440 --> 00:13:45,280 Speaker 1: stand and like that's your outer wear for more mild 258 00:13:45,559 --> 00:13:48,000 Speaker 1: temperatures or maybe even the first half an hour that 259 00:13:48,040 --> 00:13:50,760 Speaker 1: you're in there, because your body temperature is up, that's 260 00:13:50,760 --> 00:13:54,560 Speaker 1: gonna allow that heat to move away from your body, right, 261 00:13:54,600 --> 00:13:56,959 Speaker 1: so that moisture moves away from your body. And then 262 00:13:57,000 --> 00:13:59,560 Speaker 1: you pair that with a piece like the solitude like 263 00:13:59,559 --> 00:14:02,080 Speaker 1: we're talking king about which is the static insulation piece 264 00:14:02,800 --> 00:14:05,560 Speaker 1: UM that goes over top. And now what was your 265 00:14:05,559 --> 00:14:09,719 Speaker 1: outerwear for your you know, higher exertion activity becomes like 266 00:14:09,760 --> 00:14:11,319 Speaker 1: your mid layers. So that's why I was called like 267 00:14:11,360 --> 00:14:15,080 Speaker 1: transitional outerwear because it can be both UM and the 268 00:14:15,160 --> 00:14:17,959 Speaker 1: combination of those two pieces and a kit is what's 269 00:14:17,960 --> 00:14:20,720 Speaker 1: going to keep you the most comfortable, you know, during 270 00:14:20,800 --> 00:14:23,520 Speaker 1: a hunt both walk in than the static period of 271 00:14:23,560 --> 00:14:26,840 Speaker 1: sitting there right and then your walk out. Yeah, I 272 00:14:26,840 --> 00:14:31,080 Speaker 1: would say that, like unless you're just like a super skinny, 273 00:14:31,640 --> 00:14:38,320 Speaker 1: just like a like a Stephen ronnella type bony dude, right, Like, 274 00:14:38,400 --> 00:14:42,640 Speaker 1: You're not gonna hike in anywhere with the solitude jacket on, right. 275 00:14:42,720 --> 00:14:45,520 Speaker 1: You got to know how to use that gear properly exactly. 276 00:14:45,560 --> 00:14:47,800 Speaker 1: I mean, if I have let's call it a two 277 00:14:48,280 --> 00:14:50,960 Speaker 1: yard walk to a stand that's already set, then I 278 00:14:51,000 --> 00:14:52,840 Speaker 1: don't have to hang it. I may walk in with 279 00:14:52,880 --> 00:14:57,479 Speaker 1: that jacket and the zipper open right, walking very slowly exactly, 280 00:14:57,680 --> 00:15:00,000 Speaker 1: you know. And if I have the bibbs on, I'm 281 00:15:00,000 --> 00:15:02,720 Speaker 1: probably have those side zippers all oil. Because what I 282 00:15:02,760 --> 00:15:04,200 Speaker 1: don't want to do is I don't want to build 283 00:15:04,240 --> 00:15:07,320 Speaker 1: up a bunch of moisture within that clothing system that 284 00:15:07,440 --> 00:15:10,720 Speaker 1: can't permeate out, because that's what's gonna make me colder 285 00:15:10,800 --> 00:15:13,520 Speaker 1: sooner once I get to the static portion, which is 286 00:15:15,040 --> 00:15:18,040 Speaker 1: of a white tail hunt. And man, that's it just 287 00:15:18,120 --> 00:15:23,000 Speaker 1: comes down to moisture management, you know. And uh, it's uh. 288 00:15:23,000 --> 00:15:24,640 Speaker 1: I think it's still something that a lot of people 289 00:15:24,640 --> 00:15:27,520 Speaker 1: are still like learning and figuring out. It's probably something 290 00:15:27,640 --> 00:15:29,640 Speaker 1: we'll I'll work on for the rest of my life, 291 00:15:29,720 --> 00:15:33,120 Speaker 1: right is just trying to like dial it in because 292 00:15:33,160 --> 00:15:35,280 Speaker 1: it just depends on like, yeah, are you gonna do 293 00:15:35,320 --> 00:15:38,720 Speaker 1: that two yards in two minutes or maybe you have 294 00:15:38,800 --> 00:15:42,320 Speaker 1: time to take twenty minutes and like literally not bring 295 00:15:42,320 --> 00:15:45,560 Speaker 1: your body tamp up at all, you know. But there's 296 00:15:45,640 --> 00:15:49,400 Speaker 1: I've talked to mountaineers that go up, you know, mountains 297 00:15:49,440 --> 00:15:51,680 Speaker 1: in the winter and they're literally wearing one bass player 298 00:15:51,720 --> 00:15:54,000 Speaker 1: as you're doing that, because it's like they's they say, 299 00:15:54,040 --> 00:15:56,680 Speaker 1: it doesn't matter if I'm gonna get wet from my 300 00:15:56,840 --> 00:15:59,640 Speaker 1: sweat or I'm gonna get wet from the rain or 301 00:15:59,680 --> 00:16:02,880 Speaker 1: from snow. Like I'm generating so much heat that like 302 00:16:03,080 --> 00:16:05,400 Speaker 1: sure if it gets like crazy winding and stuff, you 303 00:16:05,400 --> 00:16:07,520 Speaker 1: have to put a shell on, but like that basically 304 00:16:07,720 --> 00:16:09,560 Speaker 1: is going to be soaking no matter what, and so 305 00:16:09,640 --> 00:16:11,720 Speaker 1: they just like their way to manage it is like 306 00:16:12,320 --> 00:16:14,400 Speaker 1: it's soaked, but they're working in it, and as soon 307 00:16:14,440 --> 00:16:17,440 Speaker 1: as they stop, they'll actually just take that off and 308 00:16:17,480 --> 00:16:19,480 Speaker 1: put on like a dry one or a dry mid 309 00:16:19,560 --> 00:16:21,680 Speaker 1: lighter or whatever and then put on their insulation, right, 310 00:16:21,680 --> 00:16:24,440 Speaker 1: And that's how they manage it. For hunters, I think 311 00:16:24,480 --> 00:16:27,800 Speaker 1: it's a little bit different because you often like that 312 00:16:28,520 --> 00:16:33,040 Speaker 1: doing that is too much movement, too much noise. You know, 313 00:16:33,120 --> 00:16:34,960 Speaker 1: you have to your system has to be able to 314 00:16:35,000 --> 00:16:37,280 Speaker 1: basically work on the go, and then all of a 315 00:16:37,280 --> 00:16:39,720 Speaker 1: sudden you get stopped for whatever reason, maybe on your 316 00:16:39,760 --> 00:16:42,240 Speaker 1: way to the stand, you know, you run into a 317 00:16:42,240 --> 00:16:44,400 Speaker 1: box or whatever, or do you see some eyes in 318 00:16:44,440 --> 00:16:46,160 Speaker 1: the dark, and you just have to stand there for 319 00:16:46,200 --> 00:16:49,400 Speaker 1: ten minutes and let those deer pass on by. Your 320 00:16:49,440 --> 00:16:52,040 Speaker 1: system has to keep you warm for those ten minutes, 321 00:16:52,120 --> 00:16:55,440 Speaker 1: you know. Um So anyways, a lot to like all 322 00:16:55,480 --> 00:16:57,520 Speaker 1: of us will be figuring that out for some time 323 00:16:57,560 --> 00:17:02,560 Speaker 1: to come. But when it's sixty plus first week in November, 324 00:17:02,600 --> 00:17:05,520 Speaker 1: it does not make me a happy white tail hunter, no, no, 325 00:17:05,800 --> 00:17:09,040 Speaker 1: And it's it's so hit or miss right, like you 326 00:17:09,119 --> 00:17:12,240 Speaker 1: get that maybe that's sixty especially, you know, I think 327 00:17:12,280 --> 00:17:15,720 Speaker 1: you're spending the first week in November in Wisconsin. Um, 328 00:17:15,760 --> 00:17:17,440 Speaker 1: you know, we'll get one of those every three years 329 00:17:17,480 --> 00:17:19,880 Speaker 1: where that happens. But man, I tell you what when 330 00:17:19,880 --> 00:17:22,600 Speaker 1: that if it is sixty, when that kind of warm 331 00:17:22,640 --> 00:17:27,480 Speaker 1: front breaks and it gets cold, But you live in Wisconsin, 332 00:17:27,520 --> 00:17:30,960 Speaker 1: so you'll be there for it, be heading home already. 333 00:17:31,000 --> 00:17:34,119 Speaker 1: But well, and I think to your point, Yeanhni, I 334 00:17:34,160 --> 00:17:37,879 Speaker 1: think it's something that hunters are continuing to try and 335 00:17:37,920 --> 00:17:40,199 Speaker 1: figure out, and especially in the white tail space, I 336 00:17:40,240 --> 00:17:44,119 Speaker 1: think that concept might be more foreign because our walks 337 00:17:44,119 --> 00:17:47,320 Speaker 1: in are typically shorter, we don't have as long of 338 00:17:47,400 --> 00:17:50,240 Speaker 1: high exertion periods. But it doesn't make it any less 339 00:17:50,280 --> 00:17:53,000 Speaker 1: important right to manage that moisture. And I think that's why, 340 00:17:53,359 --> 00:17:56,480 Speaker 1: you know, while wind provadwear is super exciting, I get 341 00:17:56,520 --> 00:17:59,399 Speaker 1: almost as excited and more excited about pieces like the 342 00:17:59,480 --> 00:18:02,479 Speaker 1: Origin right that like mid layer fleece piece, or the 343 00:18:02,560 --> 00:18:05,320 Speaker 1: source jacket like the white tailor's puffy jacket, because those 344 00:18:05,320 --> 00:18:09,720 Speaker 1: are pieces that I get to utilize my entire season, 345 00:18:10,080 --> 00:18:11,720 Speaker 1: you know, like the beginning of the season, that's my 346 00:18:11,760 --> 00:18:14,440 Speaker 1: outerwear they're always with me as I move into the 347 00:18:14,440 --> 00:18:15,800 Speaker 1: middle of the season or the even the end of 348 00:18:15,800 --> 00:18:17,960 Speaker 1: the season. It's like that's when I'm wearing from the 349 00:18:17,960 --> 00:18:21,399 Speaker 1: truck into the stand and I stay super comfortable and dry, 350 00:18:21,480 --> 00:18:23,800 Speaker 1: and then I get to really put those outerwear pieces 351 00:18:24,440 --> 00:18:27,240 Speaker 1: UM together with them to build this like kind of 352 00:18:27,280 --> 00:18:30,960 Speaker 1: bulletproof system that you know, when you're only sitting two hours. 353 00:18:31,200 --> 00:18:32,800 Speaker 1: If you do make a mistake and you get wet 354 00:18:32,800 --> 00:18:34,280 Speaker 1: and get cold, it's not the end of the world. 355 00:18:34,320 --> 00:18:36,879 Speaker 1: You can tough it out, but it's just not as enjoyable. 356 00:18:37,440 --> 00:18:39,960 Speaker 1: You're mentally not there as much right because you're thinking 357 00:18:39,960 --> 00:18:42,919 Speaker 1: about being cold. Um. You know, it's harder to execute 358 00:18:42,920 --> 00:18:45,440 Speaker 1: a shot. So any of those things that can tip, 359 00:18:46,080 --> 00:18:48,480 Speaker 1: you know, or change the percentage of your comfort, even 360 00:18:48,480 --> 00:18:51,199 Speaker 1: just a little bit, can be a big deal, especially 361 00:18:51,200 --> 00:18:52,960 Speaker 1: in the first week in November when you know you 362 00:18:53,000 --> 00:18:55,879 Speaker 1: should be sitting in the stand all day going into 363 00:18:55,920 --> 00:18:59,200 Speaker 1: like the Sanctuary. Is there a point at what point 364 00:18:59,240 --> 00:19:02,800 Speaker 1: would you recommend then people purchase the Sanctuary over the 365 00:19:02,880 --> 00:19:07,359 Speaker 1: Solitude UM or transition to that if they are able 366 00:19:07,400 --> 00:19:09,800 Speaker 1: to have both pieces. That's a great question. I mean 367 00:19:09,920 --> 00:19:13,640 Speaker 1: my cut off as always like right about freezing. So 368 00:19:13,800 --> 00:19:17,320 Speaker 1: if it's below you know, thirty two degrees fahrenheit and 369 00:19:17,359 --> 00:19:20,080 Speaker 1: I have the sanctuary available, that's what I'm going for. Like, 370 00:19:20,160 --> 00:19:22,800 Speaker 1: that's the high. Yeah, that's the high, right, So anything 371 00:19:23,040 --> 00:19:26,639 Speaker 1: above that, I don't even touch it. Um however, you 372 00:19:26,640 --> 00:19:28,200 Speaker 1: know what I do tell people as well as like, 373 00:19:28,240 --> 00:19:31,240 Speaker 1: if you want to build a really versatile system, you know, 374 00:19:31,280 --> 00:19:33,800 Speaker 1: if you add call it the source puffy jacket which 375 00:19:33,840 --> 00:19:37,320 Speaker 1: we've been talking about, to the solitude, that's essentially bringing 376 00:19:37,320 --> 00:19:40,440 Speaker 1: it to the level of the sanctuary. So if you 377 00:19:40,560 --> 00:19:42,679 Speaker 1: paired those two pieces together in a kit, it's like 378 00:19:42,760 --> 00:19:44,840 Speaker 1: you kind of have that source jacket, which is your 379 00:19:44,880 --> 00:19:49,000 Speaker 1: earlier season ottaware piece. You transition to the solitude by 380 00:19:49,040 --> 00:19:51,439 Speaker 1: itself for kind of your super Bowl, right that like 381 00:19:51,760 --> 00:19:55,199 Speaker 1: rut Ish time and most Midwest states. And then if 382 00:19:55,200 --> 00:19:57,240 Speaker 1: you do end upending hunting some late season, you can 383 00:19:57,240 --> 00:19:59,679 Speaker 1: pare that back with the solitude to get it to 384 00:19:59,680 --> 00:20:01,879 Speaker 1: the level the sanctuary. If you're doing a lot of 385 00:20:01,960 --> 00:20:05,880 Speaker 1: late season stuff like consistently sitting twenty and below, you're 386 00:20:05,920 --> 00:20:08,280 Speaker 1: not going to be the sanctuary. It's just insanely warm. 387 00:20:08,280 --> 00:20:10,520 Speaker 1: It's the best piece out there. But there are some 388 00:20:10,560 --> 00:20:14,000 Speaker 1: ways to kind of accomplish that level of insulation with 389 00:20:14,080 --> 00:20:17,080 Speaker 1: a more of a system or a kit, right, But 390 00:20:17,119 --> 00:20:19,200 Speaker 1: that's kind of always, you know, to answer your original question, 391 00:20:19,200 --> 00:20:21,440 Speaker 1: that's kind of always my like, my cut off point 392 00:20:21,560 --> 00:20:25,400 Speaker 1: is like below freezing sanctuaries obviously the best bet anywhere 393 00:20:25,480 --> 00:20:28,040 Speaker 1: before that, you know, you can kind of use the 394 00:20:28,080 --> 00:20:33,040 Speaker 1: Solitude with other basin mid layers to accomplish what you need. Yeah, 395 00:20:33,040 --> 00:20:35,560 Speaker 1: that's exactly what I wore last year the day I 396 00:20:35,680 --> 00:20:38,040 Speaker 1: killed my buck, because I had a like a wig 397 00:20:38,080 --> 00:20:42,600 Speaker 1: bass layer. I had my source jacket and then I 398 00:20:42,640 --> 00:20:45,960 Speaker 1: put on once I dried out, you know from my 399 00:20:46,000 --> 00:20:47,760 Speaker 1: walk and I had a good walk, Like I thought 400 00:20:47,800 --> 00:20:50,120 Speaker 1: it was gonna be like half an hour forty five 401 00:20:50,119 --> 00:20:51,600 Speaker 1: minutes and I think it ended up being like an 402 00:20:51,600 --> 00:20:55,800 Speaker 1: hour fifteen and uh was plenty warm enough by the 403 00:20:55,840 --> 00:20:57,440 Speaker 1: time I got to the tree, which then I had 404 00:20:57,440 --> 00:20:59,760 Speaker 1: to you know, put sticks in and climb up into. 405 00:20:59,800 --> 00:21:02,760 Speaker 1: So what Yeah, once I dried out, I put my 406 00:21:02,840 --> 00:21:06,560 Speaker 1: Solitude on. Was comfy all day. Yeah, that's a super 407 00:21:06,600 --> 00:21:08,600 Speaker 1: I mean what you just mentioned is, I mean that's 408 00:21:09,080 --> 00:21:11,159 Speaker 1: kind of my go to. You know, that's a really 409 00:21:11,280 --> 00:21:14,200 Speaker 1: versatile kit that's going to take up the majority of 410 00:21:14,280 --> 00:21:17,080 Speaker 1: your season as a white tail hunter. All right, let's 411 00:21:17,080 --> 00:21:18,800 Speaker 1: move on because we gotta we're gonna need to know 412 00:21:18,840 --> 00:21:24,240 Speaker 1: more about the source jacket. Um, the fleece. To me, 413 00:21:24,280 --> 00:21:26,760 Speaker 1: it's like a fleece. I mean, you can check it out. 414 00:21:26,800 --> 00:21:29,000 Speaker 1: It's we've had it out for a whole year now, 415 00:21:29,080 --> 00:21:32,280 Speaker 1: right since last of all. Right, the origin just just 416 00:21:32,400 --> 00:21:35,439 Speaker 1: spring it came out, just dropped the sprints, right, Okay, 417 00:21:35,600 --> 00:21:39,560 Speaker 1: we've been using it for for that long. But it's cool. 418 00:21:39,640 --> 00:21:41,680 Speaker 1: It's got like a built in face mask, it's got 419 00:21:41,680 --> 00:21:45,240 Speaker 1: the hoodie's got built in thoam loops, it's got little 420 00:21:45,320 --> 00:21:48,439 Speaker 1: kangaroo pocket for keeping your hands warm. But to me, 421 00:21:48,480 --> 00:21:50,959 Speaker 1: it's not as exciting as a source jacket. So tell me, like, 422 00:21:51,880 --> 00:21:56,680 Speaker 1: tell me the build on this source jacket. Yeah, so, um, 423 00:21:56,720 --> 00:21:59,920 Speaker 1: it's the white tailor's puffy jacket. Right. Puffy jackets are great. 424 00:22:00,119 --> 00:22:03,080 Speaker 1: We all know them because of their warmth and weight ratio, 425 00:22:03,359 --> 00:22:06,320 Speaker 1: meaning that they're very light, they're very pacable, but they 426 00:22:06,359 --> 00:22:09,120 Speaker 1: provide a lot of warmth, you know, for that smaller, 427 00:22:10,040 --> 00:22:14,280 Speaker 1: lightweight package. Inherently, if you think about the characteristics of 428 00:22:14,280 --> 00:22:17,320 Speaker 1: a traditional puffy jacket, they're not great for white tail 429 00:22:17,400 --> 00:22:20,719 Speaker 1: hunting because they're not super durable UM, and they're loud. 430 00:22:20,960 --> 00:22:23,480 Speaker 1: Those are two things that as white tail hunters we need. 431 00:22:23,520 --> 00:22:25,480 Speaker 1: We need durability in our gear and we need to 432 00:22:25,480 --> 00:22:29,199 Speaker 1: be quiet. So what we did with the source is 433 00:22:29,320 --> 00:22:33,400 Speaker 1: solve both of those problems. UM. We built a synthetically 434 00:22:33,400 --> 00:22:36,520 Speaker 1: insulated puffy jacket UM and as eight E Grahams of 435 00:22:36,520 --> 00:22:40,040 Speaker 1: Primu off gold stretch insulation in it. UM. We used 436 00:22:40,080 --> 00:22:43,280 Speaker 1: a really durable face fabric so you don't have to 437 00:22:43,280 --> 00:22:46,000 Speaker 1: worry about walking through brush. Um. You know, if you 438 00:22:46,040 --> 00:22:47,679 Speaker 1: get caught in a thicket on your way into the 439 00:22:47,720 --> 00:22:49,760 Speaker 1: stand in the dark, or you're dragging a deer out 440 00:22:49,880 --> 00:22:52,800 Speaker 1: where you're hanging a stand. Um, it's meant to do 441 00:22:52,840 --> 00:22:55,600 Speaker 1: all those things. It's gonna hold up to it UM. 442 00:22:55,680 --> 00:22:57,800 Speaker 1: So that's where the durability comes in. It's a really 443 00:22:57,920 --> 00:23:02,240 Speaker 1: quiet face fabric UM. And then you know stretch insulation, 444 00:23:02,320 --> 00:23:05,760 Speaker 1: stretch lining, so you get a piece that can pack down, 445 00:23:06,119 --> 00:23:08,480 Speaker 1: you know, pretty small. It can live in your pack 446 00:23:08,760 --> 00:23:11,680 Speaker 1: all season. Um, it's your outerwear kind of early season 447 00:23:11,720 --> 00:23:14,240 Speaker 1: and more mild temperatures. And then you know, like you said, 448 00:23:14,320 --> 00:23:17,600 Speaker 1: yahning in November last year, it's like a solitude goes 449 00:23:17,640 --> 00:23:19,600 Speaker 1: great over it when you get into some of those 450 00:23:19,600 --> 00:23:22,600 Speaker 1: colder temperatures. So the best way I can describe it 451 00:23:22,680 --> 00:23:26,600 Speaker 1: is like it's a quiet durable, you know, versatile like 452 00:23:27,000 --> 00:23:30,240 Speaker 1: mid layer in the early season and then or excuse me, 453 00:23:30,280 --> 00:23:32,080 Speaker 1: outer wear in the early season and mid layer in 454 00:23:32,119 --> 00:23:34,920 Speaker 1: the late season. Where do you because where do you 455 00:23:34,920 --> 00:23:39,040 Speaker 1: think it falls sort of on like a wind resistant scale. Yeah, 456 00:23:39,440 --> 00:23:41,560 Speaker 1: that's a great question. So you know I was talking 457 00:23:41,560 --> 00:23:46,440 Speaker 1: about static versus active insulation. You know, static you want 458 00:23:46,480 --> 00:23:48,560 Speaker 1: to trap all of your body heat. You want it 459 00:23:48,600 --> 00:23:51,159 Speaker 1: to be shut down because you're not moving, so you 460 00:23:51,160 --> 00:23:53,760 Speaker 1: really need to conserve and save all that body heat. 461 00:23:53,840 --> 00:23:57,120 Speaker 1: Were like an active insulation piece you wanted to keep 462 00:23:57,119 --> 00:23:59,879 Speaker 1: you warm because it's you know, it's cold enough that 463 00:24:00,000 --> 00:24:04,080 Speaker 1: you're wearing insulation, but you need it to breathe. Now, 464 00:24:04,280 --> 00:24:06,960 Speaker 1: this is really a pursuit specific jacket. I would say, 465 00:24:07,000 --> 00:24:10,120 Speaker 1: like if you're a Western hunter, your active insulation needs 466 00:24:10,119 --> 00:24:14,440 Speaker 1: to be extremely breathable because you're doing a very high 467 00:24:14,440 --> 00:24:18,160 Speaker 1: exertion activity like climbing up a mountain, you know, putting 468 00:24:18,200 --> 00:24:22,280 Speaker 1: on a lot of miles. For white tailors, we need 469 00:24:22,320 --> 00:24:26,440 Speaker 1: our active insulation to breathe, but not quite as much. Right, 470 00:24:26,680 --> 00:24:29,520 Speaker 1: it's almost like it needs to be breathable, but it 471 00:24:29,680 --> 00:24:32,399 Speaker 1: still needs to block some wind, it still needs to 472 00:24:32,400 --> 00:24:34,760 Speaker 1: be a little bit more shut down. So what we 473 00:24:34,800 --> 00:24:36,760 Speaker 1: really did is we didn't target, We didn't try and 474 00:24:36,760 --> 00:24:38,720 Speaker 1: build this piece for a Western hunter. We built this 475 00:24:38,760 --> 00:24:42,520 Speaker 1: piece to be breathable enough for white tail hunts, but 476 00:24:42,640 --> 00:24:45,119 Speaker 1: also be you know, somewhat shut down enough where when 477 00:24:45,119 --> 00:24:47,720 Speaker 1: you're wearing it his outerwear, you're not feeling the slightest 478 00:24:47,720 --> 00:24:50,800 Speaker 1: breeze come through that piece. So I really call this 479 00:24:50,840 --> 00:24:55,760 Speaker 1: like white tailor's active insulation. Like I would agree with 480 00:24:55,760 --> 00:24:58,560 Speaker 1: that too, Like where in a Wisconsin I had it 481 00:24:58,640 --> 00:25:01,399 Speaker 1: was it worked perfect I did. I did test it, 482 00:25:01,680 --> 00:25:04,399 Speaker 1: you know what cat hunting this winner and did some 483 00:25:04,480 --> 00:25:08,200 Speaker 1: like mega hikes in it, and definitely, like I could 484 00:25:08,200 --> 00:25:11,320 Speaker 1: tell that I was putting more moisture into it than 485 00:25:11,400 --> 00:25:15,320 Speaker 1: it could handle, you know, drying out or breathing. As 486 00:25:15,359 --> 00:25:16,919 Speaker 1: we say, you know, I can know that it's a 487 00:25:16,920 --> 00:25:19,560 Speaker 1: good way to look at like breatheability is basically you're saying, 488 00:25:19,600 --> 00:25:22,399 Speaker 1: like how far fast a garment will dry? Is that 489 00:25:22,440 --> 00:25:27,040 Speaker 1: safe to say? Um? Because it's just like how much 490 00:25:27,080 --> 00:25:31,040 Speaker 1: air will will move through it? Right? And uh, yeah, 491 00:25:31,160 --> 00:25:33,479 Speaker 1: so it's like, yeah, I did. If you're gonna go 492 00:25:34,000 --> 00:25:36,679 Speaker 1: like still hunting all day and plan on putting like 493 00:25:36,760 --> 00:25:39,000 Speaker 1: miles and miles in, I guess it always depends on 494 00:25:39,040 --> 00:25:41,840 Speaker 1: just how much you're exerting. Right. If you're not doing 495 00:25:41,880 --> 00:25:44,520 Speaker 1: a lot of exertion, it's great, But like if you're 496 00:25:44,520 --> 00:25:47,120 Speaker 1: gonna like be like huffing and puffing, like you're saying, 497 00:25:47,119 --> 00:25:49,199 Speaker 1: going up a mountain, you probably want to look at 498 00:25:49,240 --> 00:25:52,159 Speaker 1: something that's a little more breathable. Right. Well, that's what's 499 00:25:52,200 --> 00:25:54,320 Speaker 1: cool about this piece too, because like it was built 500 00:25:54,440 --> 00:25:57,399 Speaker 1: for that specific hunter, right, Like this is built for 501 00:25:58,280 --> 00:26:01,520 Speaker 1: the amount of exertion a white tail hunter is gonna do. 502 00:26:01,520 --> 00:26:03,720 Speaker 1: And like I hunt in western Wisconsin a lot too. 503 00:26:03,720 --> 00:26:07,720 Speaker 1: It's you know, driftless area, bluff country, and I can 504 00:26:07,800 --> 00:26:10,320 Speaker 1: easily you know, hike up and down a few ridges 505 00:26:10,600 --> 00:26:12,400 Speaker 1: in this thing, hang a set in it, and I'm 506 00:26:12,440 --> 00:26:16,200 Speaker 1: not soaked through because it's breathable enough for those activities. 507 00:26:16,720 --> 00:26:18,960 Speaker 1: And then when I climb into the stand, it's not 508 00:26:19,000 --> 00:26:21,639 Speaker 1: gonna let every single bit of breeze come through. It 509 00:26:21,680 --> 00:26:24,720 Speaker 1: shuts that down a little bit. Um. It's really you know, 510 00:26:24,760 --> 00:26:29,720 Speaker 1: it's built for those activities. Wasn't there like another uh 511 00:26:30,040 --> 00:26:32,040 Speaker 1: layer in there, and maybe that's just part of the 512 00:26:32,080 --> 00:26:35,400 Speaker 1: premium loft goal, but another layer that actually like reflects 513 00:26:36,400 --> 00:26:38,800 Speaker 1: your heat back to you in that jacket, not in 514 00:26:38,880 --> 00:26:40,960 Speaker 1: that one. So in that not in that one. No. 515 00:26:41,160 --> 00:26:44,359 Speaker 1: So um, there are with you know, certain primu off 516 00:26:44,440 --> 00:26:47,560 Speaker 1: instulations or you can just add them in, like what's 517 00:26:47,600 --> 00:26:51,040 Speaker 1: called a scrim um. And what that scrim does is 518 00:26:51,080 --> 00:26:54,800 Speaker 1: two things, like to not to go too far into 519 00:26:54,800 --> 00:26:58,160 Speaker 1: the weeds. But even synthetic installations, they're built like a sheet, right, 520 00:26:58,200 --> 00:27:01,040 Speaker 1: So it's all these fibers that are woven together and 521 00:27:01,119 --> 00:27:02,800 Speaker 1: you can you know, it comes on a roll. You 522 00:27:02,800 --> 00:27:05,560 Speaker 1: can unroll it and essentially looks like a sheet of fabric, 523 00:27:05,760 --> 00:27:10,359 Speaker 1: but it's lofted. Um. Even those fibers, they'll migrate through 524 00:27:10,480 --> 00:27:12,960 Speaker 1: some textiles, like you know, in your down puffy jacket, 525 00:27:13,040 --> 00:27:15,199 Speaker 1: sometimes you get little feathers coming through at the seams 526 00:27:15,280 --> 00:27:18,479 Speaker 1: or whatever. Um, when you build a down jacket, you 527 00:27:18,520 --> 00:27:21,639 Speaker 1: have to have a downproof textile to keep those feathers 528 00:27:21,640 --> 00:27:25,639 Speaker 1: from migrating through. But even synthetic fibers can migrate through textiles. 529 00:27:25,680 --> 00:27:28,359 Speaker 1: So if you don't have you know, a textile that 530 00:27:28,480 --> 00:27:30,800 Speaker 1: is resistant to that migration, you have to put a 531 00:27:30,840 --> 00:27:33,639 Speaker 1: scrim in there to keep those fibers from migrating through, 532 00:27:33,960 --> 00:27:37,040 Speaker 1: and a scrim is basically just another layer, another layer. Yeah. 533 00:27:37,480 --> 00:27:40,919 Speaker 1: Some scrims like you just mentioned will actually reflect body 534 00:27:40,960 --> 00:27:43,360 Speaker 1: heat back to you as well, so you're capturing more 535 00:27:43,359 --> 00:27:45,320 Speaker 1: of that. But that gets more into like a static 536 00:27:45,359 --> 00:27:47,640 Speaker 1: installation piece, because you don't want to be capturing more 537 00:27:47,720 --> 00:27:50,639 Speaker 1: heat when you're trying to do something active in a piece. 538 00:27:52,119 --> 00:27:55,920 Speaker 1: Cool nice. Could you roll through those those insulations again 539 00:27:56,080 --> 00:27:58,159 Speaker 1: in that source jacket and talk about the Primo off 540 00:27:58,240 --> 00:28:00,919 Speaker 1: Gold a little bit more, Yeah, of course. So, um, 541 00:28:00,960 --> 00:28:03,679 Speaker 1: you know, basically the sandwich of that is kind of 542 00:28:03,720 --> 00:28:08,560 Speaker 1: a durable, um stretched face fabric. Then it's the Prema 543 00:28:08,600 --> 00:28:11,600 Speaker 1: off Gold insulation, so it's a prem off Gold stretch, 544 00:28:11,760 --> 00:28:15,119 Speaker 1: which is really important because this piece is meant to 545 00:28:15,160 --> 00:28:19,000 Speaker 1: move with you and not against you, especially because you're 546 00:28:19,080 --> 00:28:23,280 Speaker 1: layering it under other outerwear. You want that piece to 547 00:28:23,359 --> 00:28:25,920 Speaker 1: move and stretch so you don't get the like michelin 548 00:28:26,000 --> 00:28:29,280 Speaker 1: Man effect where you feel like you can't move your arms. Um, 549 00:28:29,320 --> 00:28:31,520 Speaker 1: So that stretch is really really important. The other thing 550 00:28:31,560 --> 00:28:35,399 Speaker 1: that is important with stretches because you're sometimes wearing that 551 00:28:35,480 --> 00:28:38,320 Speaker 1: as a mid layer and sometimes wearing it as outerwear. 552 00:28:38,400 --> 00:28:40,360 Speaker 1: You want to be able to put different amounts of 553 00:28:40,400 --> 00:28:42,640 Speaker 1: stuff underneath it, right, So Yanni mentioned that he just 554 00:28:42,680 --> 00:28:46,160 Speaker 1: had a wick underneath it. Um. You wanted to fit 555 00:28:46,240 --> 00:28:49,360 Speaker 1: comfortably UM and be you know, athletic and trim in 556 00:28:49,400 --> 00:28:51,320 Speaker 1: that situation, but you also want to be able to 557 00:28:51,320 --> 00:28:53,920 Speaker 1: say where you're wick and then maybe an Origin hoodie 558 00:28:54,320 --> 00:28:56,480 Speaker 1: or a Kiln hoodie and still be able to wear 559 00:28:56,520 --> 00:28:58,760 Speaker 1: that jacket on top. So that's where the stretch is 560 00:28:58,840 --> 00:29:01,920 Speaker 1: really really important in a like that UM, And I 561 00:29:01,920 --> 00:29:04,160 Speaker 1: guess kind of just for reference, so there's it's eighty 562 00:29:04,280 --> 00:29:06,520 Speaker 1: grams of insulation or a d g s M s 563 00:29:06,560 --> 00:29:11,200 Speaker 1: grands per square meter UM. So like the Solitude, for example, 564 00:29:11,400 --> 00:29:15,080 Speaker 1: has a hundred UM, the Sanctuary has two hundred. So 565 00:29:15,120 --> 00:29:16,800 Speaker 1: if you kind of put it in the spectrum of 566 00:29:16,880 --> 00:29:22,000 Speaker 1: those pieces, it's our most lightly insulated piece in our 567 00:29:22,320 --> 00:29:26,200 Speaker 1: in the category of white tail insulation. Does it come 568 00:29:26,240 --> 00:29:31,720 Speaker 1: in solids? It does not. Killing me Greg, I would 569 00:29:32,520 --> 00:29:34,640 Speaker 1: I'm gonna wear a little bit as my as just 570 00:29:34,680 --> 00:29:38,440 Speaker 1: the everyday jacket inspector, but you know, if you could 571 00:29:38,440 --> 00:29:41,320 Speaker 1: get me one in the gray, I wish I would 572 00:29:41,320 --> 00:29:43,480 Speaker 1: wear it even more is my everyday jacket, because I 573 00:29:43,520 --> 00:29:47,360 Speaker 1: think that jacket has the capability to because I wear 574 00:29:47,440 --> 00:29:49,840 Speaker 1: like basically a lightweight, like a lot of times I 575 00:29:49,880 --> 00:29:52,880 Speaker 1: wear the brooks, you know, and to be in something 576 00:29:52,920 --> 00:29:55,000 Speaker 1: a little bit softer to the hand, I think I 577 00:29:55,040 --> 00:29:57,640 Speaker 1: would like that better. You know, I wear mine a 578 00:29:57,640 --> 00:30:01,280 Speaker 1: lot as a everyday pete. Well not the one that 579 00:30:01,280 --> 00:30:02,640 Speaker 1: I wear into the woods, but I have one that 580 00:30:02,640 --> 00:30:04,360 Speaker 1: I wear is an everyday piece as well. But yeah, 581 00:30:04,400 --> 00:30:08,280 Speaker 1: I mean you're definitely towing the casual camel line, right 582 00:30:08,520 --> 00:30:10,760 Speaker 1: because we don't have it in solids, But you don't 583 00:30:10,760 --> 00:30:13,280 Speaker 1: wear the one you take in the woods because of scent. Correct, 584 00:30:13,960 --> 00:30:16,719 Speaker 1: you're pretty hardcore on the scent. I am. I am 585 00:30:16,920 --> 00:30:30,760 Speaker 1: very hardcore. Didn't you build build in some pretty specific 586 00:30:31,960 --> 00:30:37,960 Speaker 1: sent uh technology into these pieces? Yeah, So most of 587 00:30:38,000 --> 00:30:42,120 Speaker 1: our synthetic pieces in the white Tail line um have 588 00:30:42,280 --> 00:30:45,800 Speaker 1: what's called a high Q treatment. So high Q is 589 00:30:45,800 --> 00:30:48,719 Speaker 1: an anti microbial um. You know, some people have heard 590 00:30:48,800 --> 00:30:51,719 Speaker 1: like poly gen um. It's a very similar. So it's 591 00:30:51,720 --> 00:30:54,400 Speaker 1: a treatment um that goes onto these textiles and what 592 00:30:54,480 --> 00:30:59,000 Speaker 1: it does is inhibits the growth of bacteria. So when 593 00:30:59,000 --> 00:31:01,160 Speaker 1: you go out into the few you know, you sweat, 594 00:31:01,920 --> 00:31:05,520 Speaker 1: you're perspirating, whether it's actual you know, whether you're sweating 595 00:31:05,640 --> 00:31:08,080 Speaker 1: in the liquid form or whether you're putting off you know, 596 00:31:08,240 --> 00:31:10,880 Speaker 1: gaseous perspiration like maybe not the liquid form meet. It 597 00:31:10,880 --> 00:31:14,880 Speaker 1: creates a moisture rich environment that's good for bacteria to grow. 598 00:31:15,360 --> 00:31:19,160 Speaker 1: Bacteria is what inherently causes scent, right, So if you 599 00:31:19,160 --> 00:31:22,480 Speaker 1: can inhibit the growth of bacteria, you can limit or 600 00:31:22,600 --> 00:31:27,280 Speaker 1: prolong how long it takes before those garments start to smell. UM. 601 00:31:27,400 --> 00:31:30,720 Speaker 1: So that's one piece of technology that's gonna help with scent. 602 00:31:31,240 --> 00:31:33,680 Speaker 1: The other one is you know a lot of if 603 00:31:33,720 --> 00:31:36,040 Speaker 1: you go through and I'm not we don't need to 604 00:31:36,040 --> 00:31:37,680 Speaker 1: go through the whole list, but if you're, say you're 605 00:31:37,680 --> 00:31:40,840 Speaker 1: on the website looking at white tail pieces, if you 606 00:31:40,880 --> 00:31:46,080 Speaker 1: notice anything that's built with a thirty seven point five technology, UM, 607 00:31:46,160 --> 00:31:49,600 Speaker 1: that's a fiber that's used to build fabrics that we 608 00:31:49,640 --> 00:31:52,960 Speaker 1: build into these technolog or into these garments, and the 609 00:31:53,040 --> 00:31:56,400 Speaker 1: thirty seven five fibers essentially what they're doing is um, 610 00:31:56,440 --> 00:32:00,440 Speaker 1: they're actually also inhibiting the growth of bacteria or like 611 00:32:00,520 --> 00:32:04,120 Speaker 1: the attachment of odor at the particle level. So it's 612 00:32:04,200 --> 00:32:07,240 Speaker 1: kind of a one to punch with those technologies. Now, 613 00:32:08,000 --> 00:32:09,960 Speaker 1: that doesn't mean these garments are gonna be sent free. 614 00:32:10,080 --> 00:32:12,480 Speaker 1: Right at the end of the day, we as human 615 00:32:12,520 --> 00:32:16,800 Speaker 1: beings have a sent to us. We smell to animals, right, 616 00:32:17,520 --> 00:32:19,800 Speaker 1: and you can never eliminate that. I mean, I'm sure 617 00:32:19,800 --> 00:32:21,959 Speaker 1: you guys remember the days of like carbon suits and 618 00:32:22,000 --> 00:32:25,440 Speaker 1: things like that, right, Um, And I'm a firm believer 619 00:32:25,680 --> 00:32:29,960 Speaker 1: in scent control. I still don't think you can fool 620 00:32:30,000 --> 00:32:32,640 Speaker 1: the nose of a mature white tail. You know, if 621 00:32:32,680 --> 00:32:35,640 Speaker 1: the wind's blown right at them, they're still gonna smell you. 622 00:32:36,240 --> 00:32:39,640 Speaker 1: But I think you can do things to stack the 623 00:32:39,680 --> 00:32:41,320 Speaker 1: odds in your favor where maybe if you get like 624 00:32:41,360 --> 00:32:43,800 Speaker 1: a questionable wind and he would have picked you up 625 00:32:43,840 --> 00:32:45,880 Speaker 1: if he didn't do those things, you know, you might 626 00:32:45,880 --> 00:32:48,520 Speaker 1: get away with something. It buys you a second or 627 00:32:48,560 --> 00:32:51,400 Speaker 1: two exactly. Maybe that's all you need exact give me 628 00:32:51,440 --> 00:32:55,520 Speaker 1: the quick and dirty for your scent control system. Um. So, 629 00:32:55,720 --> 00:32:59,320 Speaker 1: first and foremost, it's not getting those garments into contact 630 00:32:59,360 --> 00:33:02,320 Speaker 1: with odors as much as possible, so storing them and 631 00:33:02,360 --> 00:33:05,080 Speaker 1: sent free containers. You know, I'm not taking these things 632 00:33:05,160 --> 00:33:08,120 Speaker 1: on and off in my Do you buy those like 633 00:33:08,440 --> 00:33:11,720 Speaker 1: actual like made for white tailors sent free containers. You 634 00:33:11,800 --> 00:33:14,520 Speaker 1: just use like a rubber made tote. I actually kind 635 00:33:14,520 --> 00:33:17,040 Speaker 1: of made my own, So I took a rubber maid 636 00:33:17,080 --> 00:33:20,840 Speaker 1: toe and essentially take like a rubber gasket, UM and 637 00:33:20,880 --> 00:33:23,080 Speaker 1: put it around the lid so it keeps air from 638 00:33:23,080 --> 00:33:26,120 Speaker 1: moving in and out. UM. So I do that, like 639 00:33:26,280 --> 00:33:28,200 Speaker 1: I always keep those in the back of my truck. 640 00:33:28,240 --> 00:33:31,000 Speaker 1: They never come in my truck with me. UM. I 641 00:33:31,040 --> 00:33:33,440 Speaker 1: always get dressed in the field. So I pull up 642 00:33:33,480 --> 00:33:36,800 Speaker 1: to my spot, I'm pulling that bin out of my truck. 643 00:33:36,840 --> 00:33:40,080 Speaker 1: I'm getting dressed in the field. UM. And it's just 644 00:33:40,440 --> 00:33:43,320 Speaker 1: for me. It's eliminating as many touch points as possible 645 00:33:43,800 --> 00:33:48,960 Speaker 1: right where foreign odor could get in contact with those garments. UM. 646 00:33:49,000 --> 00:33:53,280 Speaker 1: I do treat my garments with ozone. Ozone OH three 647 00:33:53,600 --> 00:33:55,480 Speaker 1: is the chemical makeup of it. It's what you smell 648 00:33:55,560 --> 00:33:58,720 Speaker 1: like when it rains. Because I don't know how nerd 649 00:33:58,720 --> 00:33:59,920 Speaker 1: do you want to get in science here, but by 650 00:34:00,000 --> 00:34:03,920 Speaker 1: basically OH three or ozone, it's UM. It's not a 651 00:34:03,960 --> 00:34:08,120 Speaker 1: stable compound because oxygen likes to exist in O two 652 00:34:08,160 --> 00:34:12,240 Speaker 1: that's the oxygen we breathe. So NO three molecule basically 653 00:34:12,280 --> 00:34:16,040 Speaker 1: what happens like from the scientific standpoint is it doesn't 654 00:34:16,120 --> 00:34:18,440 Speaker 1: last very long as an ozone molecule. That's why, like 655 00:34:18,480 --> 00:34:21,600 Speaker 1: when it rains, you smell it, right, and then very 656 00:34:21,640 --> 00:34:24,440 Speaker 1: soon after you don't smell it anymore. Because what happens 657 00:34:24,480 --> 00:34:26,399 Speaker 1: is why do you smell it when it's raining? So 658 00:34:26,440 --> 00:34:29,279 Speaker 1: ozone has a like a scent to it, that's kind 659 00:34:29,280 --> 00:34:31,840 Speaker 1: of what you smell when it's raining. But why is 660 00:34:31,840 --> 00:34:34,600 Speaker 1: it present in the when it's raining. I think it 661 00:34:34,719 --> 00:34:37,960 Speaker 1: has to do and don't quote me on this, but 662 00:34:38,680 --> 00:34:41,680 Speaker 1: what's happening, especially when there's a thunderstorm and there's lightning, 663 00:34:42,360 --> 00:34:48,239 Speaker 1: you're putting energy into a system and it's causing some 664 00:34:48,400 --> 00:34:51,880 Speaker 1: of these molecules to bind together that normally wouldn't. I 665 00:34:51,880 --> 00:34:54,479 Speaker 1: don't know the exact science behind like the rain storm 666 00:34:54,560 --> 00:34:57,160 Speaker 1: or thunderstorm, but I know that something with putting energy 667 00:34:57,160 --> 00:35:02,560 Speaker 1: into that system. Three yea, you smell it, rainstorm goes away, 668 00:35:02,560 --> 00:35:04,759 Speaker 1: it goes back to being mostly O two. You don't 669 00:35:04,800 --> 00:35:07,319 Speaker 1: smell it because one of those auction molecules will come 670 00:35:07,320 --> 00:35:09,279 Speaker 1: off of that, right, so you end up with one 671 00:35:09,320 --> 00:35:11,879 Speaker 1: O two and one oxygen by itself, which it also 672 00:35:11,920 --> 00:35:14,480 Speaker 1: doesn't like to exist as so that's gonna bond to 673 00:35:14,520 --> 00:35:18,640 Speaker 1: another oxygen molecule or the same thing happened, right, But 674 00:35:18,880 --> 00:35:23,080 Speaker 1: that process of that one oxygen molecule kind of ripping 675 00:35:23,120 --> 00:35:26,719 Speaker 1: off O three and becoming O two, right, that one 676 00:35:26,760 --> 00:35:29,359 Speaker 1: that's it's like a radical, free radical, I believe it's 677 00:35:29,400 --> 00:35:31,960 Speaker 1: what it's called um because it doesn't like to be 678 00:35:32,040 --> 00:35:34,920 Speaker 1: by itself. It's trying to bind to things. And that 679 00:35:35,040 --> 00:35:39,640 Speaker 1: process of that free radical oxygen molecule, that's what's neutralizing 680 00:35:39,680 --> 00:35:43,200 Speaker 1: odors or killing bacteria. So you can use you know, 681 00:35:43,320 --> 00:35:46,480 Speaker 1: some people use ozone in their stand like an ozone generator, 682 00:35:46,880 --> 00:35:48,920 Speaker 1: and they try and use it to mask their scent. Right. 683 00:35:48,960 --> 00:35:51,320 Speaker 1: That's a little machine that goes above them and dumps 684 00:35:51,320 --> 00:35:55,120 Speaker 1: oxygen like in the windstream. So some mask their scent um. 685 00:35:55,160 --> 00:35:58,239 Speaker 1: But from a like treating of closed standpoint, it's going 686 00:35:58,280 --> 00:36:01,680 Speaker 1: to eliminate um or neutralize some of those odors that 687 00:36:01,760 --> 00:36:03,560 Speaker 1: might be in your garments. That's another thing. Is that 688 00:36:03,600 --> 00:36:06,520 Speaker 1: a wash in No, it's a little it's like a generator. 689 00:36:06,520 --> 00:36:10,080 Speaker 1: It's a little electronic machine so you can stick in 690 00:36:10,080 --> 00:36:12,000 Speaker 1: the bin with your clothes or or how do you 691 00:36:12,000 --> 00:36:14,120 Speaker 1: get it on into clothes? Yeah, Or there's like you know, 692 00:36:14,160 --> 00:36:18,279 Speaker 1: there's companies like um Ozonics that make like lockers right 693 00:36:18,400 --> 00:36:20,200 Speaker 1: where you can like hang all your clothes in there, 694 00:36:20,200 --> 00:36:22,800 Speaker 1: and then there's a bunch of companies that make systems. 695 00:36:23,239 --> 00:36:26,160 Speaker 1: I've kind of just made my own, um. So that's 696 00:36:26,200 --> 00:36:32,040 Speaker 1: one thing. I typically don't wash them unless they're like dirty, 697 00:36:32,560 --> 00:36:36,280 Speaker 1: um from getting blood on them or super muddy or 698 00:36:36,320 --> 00:36:38,239 Speaker 1: anything like that. Like I'll wash them maybe once or 699 00:36:38,280 --> 00:36:42,279 Speaker 1: twice a season. Um. But the reason for that is 700 00:36:42,600 --> 00:36:45,960 Speaker 1: just to basically enhance the performance of a textile. Like 701 00:36:46,040 --> 00:36:47,920 Speaker 1: I'm sure you guys have heard, like rainware, it doesn't 702 00:36:47,920 --> 00:36:50,840 Speaker 1: work great when it's dirty, right because mud is clogging 703 00:36:50,880 --> 00:36:53,359 Speaker 1: the pores and it doesn't allow the garment to work 704 00:36:53,400 --> 00:36:55,359 Speaker 1: as effectively. Some of the technologies that are in these 705 00:36:55,360 --> 00:36:57,200 Speaker 1: white tailed pieces the same thing. So you want to 706 00:36:57,280 --> 00:36:59,919 Speaker 1: keep your gear clean. But for me, that's a touch 707 00:37:00,000 --> 00:37:01,239 Speaker 1: point where it's like I have to bring it into 708 00:37:01,320 --> 00:37:04,040 Speaker 1: my house, I have to wash it right, so like 709 00:37:04,120 --> 00:37:07,359 Speaker 1: it's coming in contact with those other odors, which it's 710 00:37:07,400 --> 00:37:09,719 Speaker 1: more important for me to avoid than like having some 711 00:37:09,920 --> 00:37:11,760 Speaker 1: a little bit of mud or blood on my clothes. 712 00:37:11,800 --> 00:37:13,239 Speaker 1: So I try and limit that to just, you know, 713 00:37:13,280 --> 00:37:16,640 Speaker 1: maybe once or twice a season. I'm still on old school. 714 00:37:16,680 --> 00:37:19,440 Speaker 1: I still like to So right right now, my whole 715 00:37:19,560 --> 00:37:22,120 Speaker 1: solitude kit is in a duffel bag, which is probably 716 00:37:22,120 --> 00:37:23,920 Speaker 1: I should probably get a better BN for. But it's 717 00:37:23,920 --> 00:37:26,920 Speaker 1: in a duffel bag and there's like a couple of 718 00:37:26,960 --> 00:37:30,479 Speaker 1: pine bals and maybe like I don't know, a couple 719 00:37:30,480 --> 00:37:33,719 Speaker 1: of dozen oak leaves in it. And then when I 720 00:37:33,800 --> 00:37:36,400 Speaker 1: get it to camp that i'll probably I should probably 721 00:37:36,480 --> 00:37:39,120 Speaker 1: leave it at camp in Wisconsin, but I always feel 722 00:37:39,120 --> 00:37:41,359 Speaker 1: like something's gonna come up. I'm gonna need it out here. 723 00:37:41,440 --> 00:37:43,560 Speaker 1: But then when I get there, I put it on 724 00:37:43,600 --> 00:37:45,960 Speaker 1: a hangar and we have like a giant, like I 725 00:37:46,040 --> 00:37:49,360 Speaker 1: don't know, it's probably sixty by, you know, twenties some 726 00:37:49,440 --> 00:37:53,000 Speaker 1: foot deck, but it's covered. I just hang all my 727 00:37:53,000 --> 00:37:55,319 Speaker 1: stuff on hangars and then just let that's where it 728 00:37:55,320 --> 00:37:57,640 Speaker 1: just lives during the whole hunt. It's like it just 729 00:37:57,719 --> 00:37:59,839 Speaker 1: lives out on the deck. We don't cook out there, 730 00:38:00,040 --> 00:38:02,560 Speaker 1: no one's smoking these cigarettes, and so the breeze is 731 00:38:02,600 --> 00:38:05,399 Speaker 1: just constantly on it, and I just feel like it's 732 00:38:05,440 --> 00:38:09,040 Speaker 1: sort of just absorbs the environment around it. Yeah, it 733 00:38:09,080 --> 00:38:11,160 Speaker 1: smells like what's there, right, Yeah, I mean the woods 734 00:38:11,160 --> 00:38:13,560 Speaker 1: are like ten ft away when it's when it's sitting 735 00:38:13,600 --> 00:38:16,480 Speaker 1: there under that deck, you know. Yeah, I mean I 736 00:38:16,520 --> 00:38:18,719 Speaker 1: think everybody's got their system, and I'm not by any 737 00:38:18,719 --> 00:38:21,799 Speaker 1: means claiming that mine is right. It's just like I 738 00:38:21,840 --> 00:38:24,839 Speaker 1: think confidence going into the field is a big thing, 739 00:38:25,120 --> 00:38:27,400 Speaker 1: and this is what makes me the most confidence. Like 740 00:38:27,400 --> 00:38:30,759 Speaker 1: I'm trying to stack, you know, any little odd in 741 00:38:30,800 --> 00:38:32,880 Speaker 1: my favor, because like if you do a couple of 742 00:38:32,880 --> 00:38:35,839 Speaker 1: things and each thing maybe changes your odds like one 743 00:38:35,880 --> 00:38:39,799 Speaker 1: percentage point, it's like, well, after a while, you're five 744 00:38:39,840 --> 00:38:42,440 Speaker 1: percent better, right, and that could give you that extra 745 00:38:42,520 --> 00:38:45,440 Speaker 1: second or two seconds, Like you're just talking about, there's 746 00:38:45,480 --> 00:38:48,960 Speaker 1: nothing worse man than seeing like a dough, uh pick 747 00:38:49,080 --> 00:38:51,680 Speaker 1: up on your either like your trail that you walked 748 00:38:51,840 --> 00:38:54,600 Speaker 1: or had a dough two years ago. Walks like she 749 00:38:54,719 --> 00:38:56,880 Speaker 1: was coming in just fine, just fine, just fine, And 750 00:38:56,920 --> 00:39:00,840 Speaker 1: she literally got within you know, two feet maybe of 751 00:39:00,920 --> 00:39:03,280 Speaker 1: the tree I was in and I think she smelled 752 00:39:03,320 --> 00:39:06,480 Speaker 1: the step, or she smelled my boot on the step, 753 00:39:06,520 --> 00:39:09,600 Speaker 1: I don't know, or maybe she smelled just me climbing 754 00:39:09,719 --> 00:39:11,839 Speaker 1: up the tree. But she got so close to that tree, 755 00:39:11,840 --> 00:39:15,440 Speaker 1: that's something off the tree she smelled, and it like 756 00:39:16,480 --> 00:39:18,080 Speaker 1: I don't know for sure, if it cost me. But 757 00:39:18,160 --> 00:39:21,319 Speaker 1: she left and then like ten minutes later, I think 758 00:39:21,360 --> 00:39:23,799 Speaker 1: it was the same dough with a big buck behind her. 759 00:39:24,520 --> 00:39:29,280 Speaker 1: Is she's getting rutted down below me, and it looked 760 00:39:29,320 --> 00:39:31,480 Speaker 1: as though the buck was trying to push her towards me. 761 00:39:31,680 --> 00:39:34,879 Speaker 1: But she took a circuitous route and kind of left 762 00:39:34,920 --> 00:39:39,080 Speaker 1: the bowl. You know, we're normally I don't see deer moving, 763 00:39:39,120 --> 00:39:41,240 Speaker 1: and I just wonder if, like, man, that was it 764 00:39:41,719 --> 00:39:45,359 Speaker 1: it cost me. She smelled my step. You know, I've 765 00:39:45,360 --> 00:39:46,960 Speaker 1: had him even to where it's like, you know, you 766 00:39:47,000 --> 00:39:49,400 Speaker 1: bring four steps into the woods because you're gonna hang 767 00:39:49,440 --> 00:39:50,799 Speaker 1: a set and you don't know how many you'll need, 768 00:39:50,880 --> 00:39:53,239 Speaker 1: and you'll end up needing three and you make the 769 00:39:53,280 --> 00:39:55,320 Speaker 1: mistake of like leaving the fourth one at the base 770 00:39:55,360 --> 00:39:57,520 Speaker 1: of the tree. And I've had a dough come in 771 00:39:57,560 --> 00:40:00,200 Speaker 1: and like pegg that step at the base of the tree. 772 00:40:00,200 --> 00:40:02,120 Speaker 1: And you know, to your point too, it's like filter 773 00:40:02,239 --> 00:40:05,480 Speaker 1: off or whatever. But it's incredible. I mean, obviously it's 774 00:40:05,520 --> 00:40:08,279 Speaker 1: their best asset in terms of keeping themselves safe. So 775 00:40:09,040 --> 00:40:13,040 Speaker 1: all right, transfer pack, about time, Greg, Yeah, we needed 776 00:40:13,040 --> 00:40:16,920 Speaker 1: a white tail pack, windproof and white tail pack, right. Yeah, 777 00:40:16,960 --> 00:40:20,560 Speaker 1: So this has been another one that's been to your 778 00:40:20,600 --> 00:40:23,560 Speaker 1: point a long time coming. We've been building this thing 779 00:40:23,640 --> 00:40:28,400 Speaker 1: for over two years now, um, and really we wanted 780 00:40:28,400 --> 00:40:31,960 Speaker 1: our foray into white tailed packs to check, you know, 781 00:40:33,239 --> 00:40:35,239 Speaker 1: of the boxes for the people that are going to 782 00:40:35,360 --> 00:40:38,360 Speaker 1: use it. I think packs are somewhat like boots where 783 00:40:38,840 --> 00:40:42,200 Speaker 1: they're specific to people, right, Like everybody has specific needs 784 00:40:42,239 --> 00:40:44,000 Speaker 1: or want. Some people want a wide boot, some people 785 00:40:44,000 --> 00:40:45,880 Speaker 1: want to narrow boot, you know. Some people want their 786 00:40:45,880 --> 00:40:47,440 Speaker 1: pack to be able to carry a tree stand, some 787 00:40:47,480 --> 00:40:50,799 Speaker 1: people don't. So figuring out a way where, you know, 788 00:40:50,880 --> 00:40:53,640 Speaker 1: we could build a pack that does all of those 789 00:40:53,680 --> 00:40:56,200 Speaker 1: things and then you can choose to utilize the features 790 00:40:56,200 --> 00:40:58,799 Speaker 1: that are important to you. If you need a day 791 00:40:58,800 --> 00:41:01,200 Speaker 1: pack right because you're walking into a pre hung set 792 00:41:01,239 --> 00:41:03,600 Speaker 1: or blind and it's not that far functions really well 793 00:41:03,640 --> 00:41:06,239 Speaker 1: as that if you're a guy that's you know, doing 794 00:41:06,280 --> 00:41:09,879 Speaker 1: a lot of hanging hunts um or a gal that's 795 00:41:09,920 --> 00:41:13,319 Speaker 1: running a saddle and you know, taking your sets in 796 00:41:13,360 --> 00:41:15,799 Speaker 1: and out every time, like, it's gonna function really well 797 00:41:15,840 --> 00:41:18,520 Speaker 1: for that too. So I would say it's it's the 798 00:41:18,560 --> 00:41:21,719 Speaker 1: most feature rich white tail pack on the market with 799 00:41:21,760 --> 00:41:23,520 Speaker 1: regards to what it can do. It can haul a 800 00:41:23,560 --> 00:41:27,719 Speaker 1: tree stand, it can haul sticks, it can haul your bow, UM, 801 00:41:27,760 --> 00:41:32,000 Speaker 1: but it can also UM car compartmentalize the stuff that 802 00:41:32,040 --> 00:41:33,759 Speaker 1: we as white tail hunters need to bring into the 803 00:41:33,800 --> 00:41:36,960 Speaker 1: field to keep yourself organized. UM. And really it was 804 00:41:37,040 --> 00:41:39,919 Speaker 1: designed around this process that we all do as white 805 00:41:39,920 --> 00:41:42,719 Speaker 1: tail hunters and making that process the most efficient. So, 806 00:41:43,160 --> 00:41:44,960 Speaker 1: you know, we pull into our spot, we get our 807 00:41:44,960 --> 00:41:47,680 Speaker 1: stuff out of our vehicle, and we're packing that pack 808 00:41:47,760 --> 00:41:50,800 Speaker 1: at the truck. Then we go into the woods and 809 00:41:51,280 --> 00:41:54,080 Speaker 1: whether we're hanging a tree stand, climbing up in new saddle, 810 00:41:54,120 --> 00:41:56,319 Speaker 1: or climb up in an existing set, we have to 811 00:41:56,320 --> 00:41:59,279 Speaker 1: get that pack into the tree right and then we 812 00:41:59,360 --> 00:42:03,200 Speaker 1: unpack it and then we reverse that process going out. 813 00:42:03,360 --> 00:42:06,000 Speaker 1: So what we want to do is design a tool 814 00:42:06,040 --> 00:42:09,440 Speaker 1: that was efficient for all those processes, and it was built, 815 00:42:09,960 --> 00:42:13,400 Speaker 1: you know, with that order of operations in mind, but 816 00:42:13,480 --> 00:42:16,240 Speaker 1: then also something that was a tool that was helpful 817 00:42:16,239 --> 00:42:19,160 Speaker 1: in all those situations. Because you can design something that 818 00:42:19,200 --> 00:42:21,800 Speaker 1: works really well for getting gear into the field and 819 00:42:21,840 --> 00:42:23,799 Speaker 1: out of the field, but if it doesn't help you 820 00:42:23,840 --> 00:42:25,959 Speaker 1: when you're in the tree, you know, what's the point 821 00:42:25,960 --> 00:42:29,520 Speaker 1: of bringing it in. So something that functioned as well 822 00:42:29,920 --> 00:42:33,120 Speaker 1: or as much became as much of a tool for 823 00:42:33,200 --> 00:42:35,319 Speaker 1: you while you were in the tree as it was 824 00:42:35,400 --> 00:42:37,800 Speaker 1: getting things in and out of out of the woods. 825 00:42:38,520 --> 00:42:43,040 Speaker 1: I like it, So tell me it'll carry You'll say 826 00:42:43,080 --> 00:42:47,160 Speaker 1: it's It'll carry my sticks in my platform, no problem, 827 00:42:47,520 --> 00:42:52,640 Speaker 1: and then inside it will carry my snacks, my coffee, 828 00:42:54,000 --> 00:42:58,800 Speaker 1: extra layer. Yep. Can I carry my solitude jacket and bibbs? 829 00:42:59,320 --> 00:43:02,640 Speaker 1: You in it? Somehow you can shove. You could squeeze 830 00:43:02,680 --> 00:43:05,480 Speaker 1: both your bibs and your jacket into it. It would 831 00:43:05,520 --> 00:43:08,520 Speaker 1: be tight. That's probably about max capacity if you didn't 832 00:43:08,520 --> 00:43:10,200 Speaker 1: have a lot of I'm gonna put my snacks in 833 00:43:10,239 --> 00:43:12,759 Speaker 1: my thermos. So what I would do, and I'm glad 834 00:43:12,760 --> 00:43:15,879 Speaker 1: you brought this up is um. There's also a bunch 835 00:43:16,040 --> 00:43:19,239 Speaker 1: of molly paneling on there, as well as some other 836 00:43:19,320 --> 00:43:21,759 Speaker 1: lashing points, because I like to actually walk in with 837 00:43:21,800 --> 00:43:24,760 Speaker 1: my layers not in my pack but outside my pack, 838 00:43:25,160 --> 00:43:27,360 Speaker 1: because that way, when I get to my spot, I 839 00:43:27,400 --> 00:43:29,040 Speaker 1: can put my layers on and I don't have have 840 00:43:29,160 --> 00:43:31,440 Speaker 1: to open my pack until I get up into the tree. 841 00:43:31,760 --> 00:43:35,640 Speaker 1: So we have some lashing straps that are attached for 842 00:43:35,800 --> 00:43:39,359 Speaker 1: multiple purposes, carrying layers, carrying your bow. But there's also 843 00:43:39,480 --> 00:43:42,640 Speaker 1: molly paneling on the sides and the bottom where you 844 00:43:42,640 --> 00:43:46,680 Speaker 1: could use like a gear strap UM to attach other 845 00:43:46,719 --> 00:43:48,160 Speaker 1: things as well, if you want the pack to be 846 00:43:48,239 --> 00:43:53,200 Speaker 1: more modular. Okay, does it have a load bearing hip belt? 847 00:43:53,400 --> 00:43:57,400 Speaker 1: It does, so it actually has an internal frame UM. 848 00:43:57,480 --> 00:43:59,479 Speaker 1: And one of the problems with you know, a lot 849 00:43:59,640 --> 00:44:02,120 Speaker 1: of white tail packs on the market is you can 850 00:44:02,160 --> 00:44:04,839 Speaker 1: attach say a bow or a tree stand to the 851 00:44:04,880 --> 00:44:08,320 Speaker 1: back of the pack, the outermost portion. But the problem 852 00:44:08,400 --> 00:44:11,040 Speaker 1: is you're then putting all of your weight at the 853 00:44:11,120 --> 00:44:13,720 Speaker 1: furthest point away from your body, and that pack becomes 854 00:44:13,760 --> 00:44:16,960 Speaker 1: really uncomfortable. So what we've done with this pack is 855 00:44:17,120 --> 00:44:19,920 Speaker 1: it actually has a back panel with an internal frame, 856 00:44:20,080 --> 00:44:24,000 Speaker 1: a load carrying frame, and you can actually remove the 857 00:44:24,080 --> 00:44:27,839 Speaker 1: bag from that frame with one zipper. You attach your 858 00:44:27,840 --> 00:44:30,920 Speaker 1: tree stand to the actual load bearing portion of it, 859 00:44:31,120 --> 00:44:34,520 Speaker 1: which that frame runs into a hip belt, and then 860 00:44:34,560 --> 00:44:38,080 Speaker 1: you can reattach the bag very simply. Um, you kind 861 00:44:38,080 --> 00:44:40,879 Speaker 1: of create the sandwich around the top of your stand. Yeah, 862 00:44:41,000 --> 00:44:43,440 Speaker 1: you can't create this sandwich. So it's like back panel 863 00:44:43,800 --> 00:44:47,319 Speaker 1: tree stand pack if you choose to carry one into 864 00:44:47,360 --> 00:44:49,480 Speaker 1: the field. If you don't, then that pack just always 865 00:44:49,560 --> 00:44:52,120 Speaker 1: lives right next to that back panel. And like I said, 866 00:44:52,160 --> 00:44:54,040 Speaker 1: it's one zipper to attach it. So it's not a 867 00:44:54,040 --> 00:44:56,319 Speaker 1: bunch of straps. It's not a bunch of you know, 868 00:44:56,360 --> 00:44:59,920 Speaker 1: clipping things shoe. It's a U shape zipp or the 869 00:45:00,080 --> 00:45:01,760 Speaker 1: is all the way. So if there's a tree stand 870 00:45:01,800 --> 00:45:05,000 Speaker 1: in there, though, how does the then close? So once 871 00:45:05,040 --> 00:45:08,360 Speaker 1: you so you separate the bag from the back panel, 872 00:45:08,520 --> 00:45:11,200 Speaker 1: you know there's straps to attach the tree stand to 873 00:45:11,360 --> 00:45:13,880 Speaker 1: that back panel. When you go to put the bag 874 00:45:13,920 --> 00:45:18,040 Speaker 1: back on, um, it attaches via a strap system at 875 00:45:18,080 --> 00:45:20,520 Speaker 1: that point. I see, So the zipper is really only 876 00:45:20,560 --> 00:45:26,520 Speaker 1: engaged when you're not using that function. Yep, exactly, sweet. Um. 877 00:45:26,560 --> 00:45:29,080 Speaker 1: But even when you go to the way the pack 878 00:45:29,160 --> 00:45:33,560 Speaker 1: is designed, um, and there's some quote unquote load lifters 879 00:45:33,640 --> 00:45:35,759 Speaker 1: that are part of the system. Even when you go 880 00:45:35,840 --> 00:45:38,320 Speaker 1: to put the pack back on, if you're using a 881 00:45:38,400 --> 00:45:40,960 Speaker 1: tree stand carrimo, you still have the ability to connect 882 00:45:41,000 --> 00:45:44,480 Speaker 1: those load lifters from the pack to the actual frame. 883 00:45:45,040 --> 00:45:48,000 Speaker 1: So all of that weight is being transferred to the 884 00:45:48,040 --> 00:45:50,719 Speaker 1: frame and the back panel, which makes it really comfortable 885 00:45:50,760 --> 00:45:54,200 Speaker 1: to carry a stand and sticks and gear. You don't 886 00:45:54,200 --> 00:45:56,279 Speaker 1: feel like that things constantly pulling your back and you're 887 00:45:56,280 --> 00:46:01,319 Speaker 1: fighting against it. Nice, So I got I stand or 888 00:46:01,360 --> 00:46:05,280 Speaker 1: maybe for me it would be my my, my sticks 889 00:46:05,280 --> 00:46:08,480 Speaker 1: in my platform in there, I get to the tree, 890 00:46:09,000 --> 00:46:12,960 Speaker 1: take those out of there. Then is that zipper quiet 891 00:46:13,040 --> 00:46:15,960 Speaker 1: enough or I can close that pack back up and 892 00:46:16,000 --> 00:46:19,000 Speaker 1: then not spook definitely any deer in the area. And 893 00:46:19,040 --> 00:46:21,359 Speaker 1: that's the great thing is once you take those things off. 894 00:46:21,920 --> 00:46:23,319 Speaker 1: I mean a lot of times we're at the base 895 00:46:23,360 --> 00:46:25,960 Speaker 1: of our tree and what it's dark because we're either 896 00:46:26,040 --> 00:46:28,960 Speaker 1: going in or coming out. So all you have to 897 00:46:29,000 --> 00:46:31,399 Speaker 1: do is one zipper and that things reattached. You're not 898 00:46:31,480 --> 00:46:35,000 Speaker 1: trying to loop straps through. Um, you're not trying to 899 00:46:35,200 --> 00:46:37,960 Speaker 1: you know, clip things back together. The other thing that 900 00:46:38,200 --> 00:46:40,879 Speaker 1: one of my favorite parts is um. Let's say you're 901 00:46:40,880 --> 00:46:43,600 Speaker 1: in tree stand carry mode, right, so you take your 902 00:46:43,680 --> 00:46:46,800 Speaker 1: stand off of their You always have all those straps 903 00:46:46,840 --> 00:46:49,120 Speaker 1: then that you use to attach that stand to the 904 00:46:49,160 --> 00:46:51,239 Speaker 1: back panel. What do you do with those when it's 905 00:46:51,280 --> 00:46:53,200 Speaker 1: cold and it's dark. It's always a pain trying to 906 00:46:53,320 --> 00:46:55,799 Speaker 1: roll them up, get them organized right, get them back 907 00:46:55,800 --> 00:46:58,400 Speaker 1: in there. So we actually built in it's like a 908 00:46:58,480 --> 00:47:02,759 Speaker 1: stretch pocket, like a big mess stretch pocket, and all 909 00:47:02,880 --> 00:47:05,080 Speaker 1: those straps you can just shove right in that pocket. 910 00:47:05,080 --> 00:47:06,560 Speaker 1: You don't have to worry about rolling them up or 911 00:47:06,640 --> 00:47:10,000 Speaker 1: lashing them down. So it's really you know, all those 912 00:47:10,040 --> 00:47:12,399 Speaker 1: small parts and pieces. It's like, how can we do 913 00:47:12,440 --> 00:47:15,319 Speaker 1: this as easy as possible, as quite as possible in 914 00:47:15,360 --> 00:47:17,920 Speaker 1: the dark, on my way in her way out right, 915 00:47:18,320 --> 00:47:21,000 Speaker 1: And they were just those straps would just live in 916 00:47:21,080 --> 00:47:25,279 Speaker 1: that stretched pocket always, so then you're let's not get home. 917 00:47:25,280 --> 00:47:27,200 Speaker 1: You gotta then roll it up and talk them away. 918 00:47:27,280 --> 00:47:30,120 Speaker 1: That's just how they live. And their color coordinated. So 919 00:47:30,239 --> 00:47:33,960 Speaker 1: you have two horizontal straps, two vertical straps, their color coordinated, 920 00:47:34,000 --> 00:47:35,600 Speaker 1: so when you do pull them out of that pocket, 921 00:47:35,640 --> 00:47:38,160 Speaker 1: you know exactly which one goes to which You're not 922 00:47:38,200 --> 00:47:43,920 Speaker 1: trying to figure that out, and they just live there. Awesome, Okay. Next, uh, 923 00:47:44,080 --> 00:47:47,120 Speaker 1: this is really important for me is how does that 924 00:47:47,160 --> 00:47:50,200 Speaker 1: pack attached to the tree once I'm up in there? 925 00:47:50,880 --> 00:47:54,640 Speaker 1: Great questions see if two options UM. Option one, which 926 00:47:54,680 --> 00:47:57,160 Speaker 1: is the way I like to use it, is there's 927 00:47:57,160 --> 00:48:02,600 Speaker 1: a hanger loop, a reinforced loop on the um lid 928 00:48:02,640 --> 00:48:06,920 Speaker 1: of the pack, so basically the top point of the 929 00:48:07,000 --> 00:48:09,320 Speaker 1: lid UM. And you can do that in number of 930 00:48:09,320 --> 00:48:12,320 Speaker 1: ways you can. I've hung it off of my last stick. 931 00:48:13,120 --> 00:48:15,600 Speaker 1: I sometimes bring an extra tree step in or hook 932 00:48:15,680 --> 00:48:17,239 Speaker 1: that I screw into the tree. I can hang it 933 00:48:17,239 --> 00:48:21,319 Speaker 1: off of their UM. Certain companies UM make like a 934 00:48:21,360 --> 00:48:24,240 Speaker 1: strap system, you know, like Tethered has their hiss strap 935 00:48:24,719 --> 00:48:27,080 Speaker 1: and hang stuff off. Yeah, that's usually what I do. Yeah, 936 00:48:27,080 --> 00:48:28,800 Speaker 1: you can hang it right off of there with the carabiner. 937 00:48:29,320 --> 00:48:31,360 Speaker 1: And the cool thing about hanging it from that point 938 00:48:31,520 --> 00:48:34,840 Speaker 1: is that it's going to hold your lid open, and 939 00:48:34,880 --> 00:48:37,160 Speaker 1: the entire pack hangs off of that lid, so it 940 00:48:37,239 --> 00:48:40,879 Speaker 1: essentially turns into like a bucket in the tree, so 941 00:48:41,000 --> 00:48:43,400 Speaker 1: the inside of the pack is exposed. You have access 942 00:48:43,440 --> 00:48:47,600 Speaker 1: to all of these there's seven internal mesh pockets UM 943 00:48:47,680 --> 00:48:50,319 Speaker 1: for keeping stuff organized, so you can get into all 944 00:48:50,360 --> 00:48:53,759 Speaker 1: of those things very easily. Essentially just like reaching next 945 00:48:53,760 --> 00:48:57,600 Speaker 1: to you into this like bucket if you will UM 946 00:48:57,760 --> 00:49:00,040 Speaker 1: or if it's let's say it's you know, ray in 947 00:49:00,200 --> 00:49:03,160 Speaker 1: your light, snow and you don't want that precipitation getting 948 00:49:03,160 --> 00:49:07,319 Speaker 1: into that pack. There's another very similar hanger loop at 949 00:49:07,320 --> 00:49:09,640 Speaker 1: the base of the lid, closer to the back panel. 950 00:49:10,040 --> 00:49:12,160 Speaker 1: If you hang it from that, the little then naturally 951 00:49:12,239 --> 00:49:15,319 Speaker 1: cover up that bucket to keep your rain or snow 952 00:49:15,400 --> 00:49:18,080 Speaker 1: or precipitation out of your gear. That's inside of it. 953 00:49:18,560 --> 00:49:22,400 Speaker 1: What's the what's the closure for the lid? It's just 954 00:49:22,440 --> 00:49:27,960 Speaker 1: like a side release buckle. Yeah, and that's adjustable too. 955 00:49:28,120 --> 00:49:31,759 Speaker 1: So if you have, for like your earlier example where 956 00:49:31,800 --> 00:49:34,319 Speaker 1: you want to put your Solitude bibbs and jacket in there, 957 00:49:35,040 --> 00:49:38,839 Speaker 1: you can adjust um that lid closure to be as 958 00:49:38,840 --> 00:49:40,520 Speaker 1: tight or as loose as you want, so you can 959 00:49:40,520 --> 00:49:44,080 Speaker 1: actually add some volume or capacity to that or suck 960 00:49:44,120 --> 00:49:45,640 Speaker 1: it in. Right if you're just using as like an 961 00:49:45,640 --> 00:49:47,839 Speaker 1: early season day pack and done have much stuff in there, 962 00:49:48,320 --> 00:49:52,640 Speaker 1: So it does have some variability, and you know essentially 963 00:49:53,160 --> 00:49:55,279 Speaker 1: how much room you have in that thing based off 964 00:49:55,320 --> 00:49:57,239 Speaker 1: of you know, how you kind of suck that lid in, 965 00:49:57,320 --> 00:50:00,279 Speaker 1: as well as the compression straps on the side ice. 966 00:50:01,520 --> 00:50:04,480 Speaker 1: I'm excited to try it. Oh yeah, I can't wait. 967 00:50:05,440 --> 00:50:07,920 Speaker 1: Uh what about exterior fabric? I mean you must have 968 00:50:07,920 --> 00:50:11,120 Speaker 1: made it quiet, right, Yeah, So the exterior fabric is 969 00:50:11,160 --> 00:50:14,239 Speaker 1: actually the same face fabric that you'll see on the 970 00:50:14,280 --> 00:50:19,239 Speaker 1: Solitude or Sanctuary or Whitetail catalyst. So we all know 971 00:50:19,280 --> 00:50:21,799 Speaker 1: how quiet those pieces are. Your pack is gonna be 972 00:50:21,840 --> 00:50:24,840 Speaker 1: just as quiet whether you're brushing up against it. You know, 973 00:50:24,880 --> 00:50:27,120 Speaker 1: you're pulling things in and out of it. UM. You 974 00:50:27,160 --> 00:50:29,680 Speaker 1: know you're getting into the tree, that pack is essentially 975 00:50:29,680 --> 00:50:32,520 Speaker 1: as quiet as your outerwear, which is obviously hugely important 976 00:50:32,560 --> 00:50:36,040 Speaker 1: for for us when we're up in the tree, sweet 977 00:50:36,760 --> 00:50:39,359 Speaker 1: back to the back to the wind proving real quick, Greg, 978 00:50:39,360 --> 00:50:42,080 Speaker 1: are we going to see that in other garments? Yeah? 979 00:50:42,080 --> 00:50:45,320 Speaker 1: So right now, UM, as I mentioned, like, you're seeing 980 00:50:45,360 --> 00:50:49,600 Speaker 1: that in our outer wear systems are insulated outerwear systems 981 00:50:49,600 --> 00:50:54,000 Speaker 1: solitude and sanctuary. UM. But that being said, you know, 982 00:50:54,760 --> 00:50:58,560 Speaker 1: we're on a on a long term to your plus 983 00:50:58,600 --> 00:51:02,719 Speaker 1: development next cycle and I think you know it is 984 00:51:03,000 --> 00:51:06,200 Speaker 1: of utmost importance for me and for us to continue 985 00:51:06,200 --> 00:51:10,480 Speaker 1: to explore what other pieces that may be appropriate in UM. 986 00:51:10,520 --> 00:51:12,839 Speaker 1: And that's something that's you know, always on on top 987 00:51:12,880 --> 00:51:15,839 Speaker 1: of mind, UM, and that we're looking into. But for 988 00:51:15,960 --> 00:51:20,040 Speaker 1: right now, UM, it is in basically insulated outerwear. And 989 00:51:20,080 --> 00:51:22,040 Speaker 1: the reason for that is it kind of goes back 990 00:51:22,080 --> 00:51:25,760 Speaker 1: to what we talked about earlier, like those active versus 991 00:51:25,760 --> 00:51:28,800 Speaker 1: passive insulation pieces and time of year. You know, typically 992 00:51:28,880 --> 00:51:32,239 Speaker 1: if it's warm enough that you're not wearing a solitude UM. 993 00:51:32,320 --> 00:51:35,560 Speaker 1: You know, so it's fifty or above, that wind matters 994 00:51:35,560 --> 00:51:38,080 Speaker 1: a little less and being able to dump heat on 995 00:51:38,160 --> 00:51:41,319 Speaker 1: your way in because it is warmer matters more, right, 996 00:51:41,400 --> 00:51:44,239 Speaker 1: So it's it's choosing the appropriate places to have the 997 00:51:44,280 --> 00:51:47,239 Speaker 1: windproofing and the appropriate places to have you know, a 998 00:51:47,239 --> 00:51:50,960 Speaker 1: little bit more breathability and moisture management in those garments. 999 00:51:51,719 --> 00:51:55,120 Speaker 1: Got I'm gonna be pushing hard for a soft shell 1000 00:51:55,640 --> 00:51:59,440 Speaker 1: with the with your quiet windproof layer in it, windproof 1001 00:51:59,440 --> 00:52:03,160 Speaker 1: soft shell. Hmm, I'll add it to my notes. Yeah, 1002 00:52:03,280 --> 00:52:06,960 Speaker 1: you Matt Derosier's Ben Flandre. You guys aren't gonna hear 1003 00:52:07,120 --> 00:52:10,640 Speaker 1: the end of it here. Me quit squeaking until I 1004 00:52:10,680 --> 00:52:13,400 Speaker 1: get to try one of those on, so we'll know 1005 00:52:13,560 --> 00:52:26,680 Speaker 1: we did our job when he quit squeaking. That's right, perfect, Greg, 1006 00:52:26,800 --> 00:52:30,239 Speaker 1: thanks so much for coming onto the gear Talk podcast 1007 00:52:30,360 --> 00:52:34,399 Speaker 1: and tell us all about the brand new, exciting first 1008 00:52:34,480 --> 00:52:37,799 Speaker 1: Light white tail gear. I'm I'm really appreciative of the 1009 00:52:37,840 --> 00:52:40,160 Speaker 1: work you've done over there at first Light last few 1010 00:52:40,239 --> 00:52:45,160 Speaker 1: years in the white tail category. Man, we've, like, I 1011 00:52:45,200 --> 00:52:47,440 Speaker 1: hear a lot of people saying that they're really stoked 1012 00:52:47,480 --> 00:52:50,600 Speaker 1: with their first light white tail gear, and uh, it's 1013 00:52:50,600 --> 00:52:53,000 Speaker 1: all although I don't get to pound it as you know, 1014 00:52:53,160 --> 00:52:55,720 Speaker 1: in it as much as like Taylor Chamberlain. The little 1015 00:52:55,719 --> 00:52:57,120 Speaker 1: bit that I've gotten to use it, you know what, 1016 00:52:57,200 --> 00:52:59,840 Speaker 1: I've probably got thirty days in it, like I've definitely 1017 00:53:00,000 --> 00:53:02,879 Speaker 1: to have you with it too, So good work, um, 1018 00:53:02,920 --> 00:53:05,640 Speaker 1: But yeah, thanks for coming by and hopefully all you 1019 00:53:05,760 --> 00:53:10,280 Speaker 1: listen got to got to learn something, especially about moisture 1020 00:53:10,320 --> 00:53:15,800 Speaker 1: management and uh breathability and wind proofness. But if there 1021 00:53:15,840 --> 00:53:18,560 Speaker 1: are other things you want to hear Us Jordan and 1022 00:53:18,640 --> 00:53:22,640 Speaker 1: I talk about, you can send questions to via email 1023 00:53:22,960 --> 00:53:26,600 Speaker 1: gear talk at the meat eator dot com. 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And that will 1034 00:54:01,360 --> 00:54:03,839 Speaker 1: be the place too that once we start sort of 1035 00:54:03,880 --> 00:54:08,080 Speaker 1: asking you guys maybe to chip in on some of 1036 00:54:08,080 --> 00:54:10,759 Speaker 1: this upcoming white tail or any kind of first Light 1037 00:54:10,800 --> 00:54:13,160 Speaker 1: gear for that matter. Um, that will be the place 1038 00:54:13,239 --> 00:54:17,279 Speaker 1: where we're going to have this conversation about you know, 1039 00:54:17,600 --> 00:54:19,719 Speaker 1: what you guys might want to see as far as 1040 00:54:19,719 --> 00:54:23,080 Speaker 1: like features or pieces of gear that first Light doesn't 1041 00:54:23,120 --> 00:54:26,200 Speaker 1: offer you yet. So there you go, either gear talk 1042 00:54:26,280 --> 00:54:29,440 Speaker 1: at the meter dot com or go to the Mediator 1043 00:54:29,480 --> 00:54:33,840 Speaker 1: website and go to the podcasts tab and then find 1044 00:54:33,880 --> 00:54:37,719 Speaker 1: the gear talk page. Thanks for listening, See you next time.