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Speaker 2: Welcome to Cardinals Cover two.

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Speaker 3: Poona Baker, What Heart?

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Speaker 1: At the five hit the ends up for the Cardinal touchdown.

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Speaker 5: Drey McBride, he's been an absolute monster.

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Speaker 2: Here's Craig Grioler.

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Speaker 1: Good to be back. Good to be back in studio. Although,

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Speaker 1: In your most recent mock draft back in early January,

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Speaker 5: Why he's one of my favorite players in this year's

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Speaker 1: Tight End maybe not a need for the Arizona Cardinals,

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Speaker 5: So the great thing about this draft class, once again

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Speaker 4: Not having a heavy quarterback draft, how is that going

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Speaker 5: Well, I've been telling a lot of people this I

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Speaker 1: Quarterbacks always highlight that draft because there's just the one

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Speaker 3: Not at all.

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Speaker 1: One of one is Fernanda Mendoza. But what are the

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Speaker 5: Well, like I've been saying to everybody, if you're looking

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Speaker 5: But if you're looking for a developmental guy, a backup,

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Speaker 4: The top three edge rushers that everybody seemingly agrees on,

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Speaker 3: Different skill sets.

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Speaker 5: Right, you have Bain, who's more so of your versatile

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Speaker 4: Jordan Are there are a few players, I mean, we

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Speaker 1: By the way, Danny Wee buried the lead here with

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Speaker 3: Scouting Combine start it with this.

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Speaker 1: He is the most well dressed gentleman person I appreciate

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Speaker 4: So Jordan, when when can Cardinals fans keep an eye

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Speaker 3: Next mock draft?

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Speaker 5: It actually comes out next Wednesday, so be on the

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Speaker 1: So we had your colleague one earlier, Jordan Reid, and

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Speaker 1: I'll tell him what I tell you what I told him,

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Speaker 1: and that is one congratulations on NFL Draft Daily.

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Speaker 3: Thank you.

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Speaker 1: It is a must watch for fans of NFL teams

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Speaker 1: and obviously fans of the NFL Draft. My only question

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Speaker 1: is what took everyone so long?

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Speaker 7: You know, I don't get to make those decisions. I'm

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Speaker 7: just happy to be part of it. When they when

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Speaker 7: we got the phone call and they said, hey, we're

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Speaker 7: gonna do this daily draft show, it was like, oh cool,

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Speaker 7: Like yeah, we used to when I was a Bleach

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Speaker 7: sh Report we did this three times a week, like

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Speaker 7: for an hour every day. So I'm I'm just excited

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Speaker 7: that ESPN loves the draft and you know, getting the

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Speaker 7: budget to do a daily show is huge. And I,

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Speaker 7: like you said, for people like I still consider myself

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Speaker 7: a draft fan, Like I'm still a draft nerd, like

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Speaker 7: it's it's a show for us, you know, for those

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Speaker 7: people they just love the draft and want want those

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Speaker 1: Basically, It's funny. Jordan mentioned the same thing. He called

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Speaker 1: himself a draft nerd, So I think that's elective, like

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Speaker 1: the room of the job.

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Speaker 7: Right, Hey, do you want to sit in your office

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Speaker 7: by yourself and watch game film three hundred and sixty

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Speaker 7: days a year. Yeah, okay, yeah, there's a there's an

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Speaker 7: appropriate term for that.

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Speaker 1: And once again, like Jordan, dressed to the nines, because

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Speaker 1: now you're a TV guy, so you have to be

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Speaker 1: in full coat and tie.

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Speaker 7: Correct, Yeah, you have to for TV. Not always the tie,

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Speaker 7: but you gotta go, you know, I try to alternate.

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Speaker 7: Yesterday was no type to day's and tie.

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Speaker 6: We'll see how tomorrow goes.

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Speaker 1: All right, let's dive into this draft class as a

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Speaker 1: whole before we get specific about number three. But I say,

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Speaker 1: twenty twenty six NFL drafts, and you say, what.

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Speaker 7: It is a meat and potatoes draft, which I think

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Speaker 7: I maybe said last year too. It's like it's it's

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Speaker 7: a good draft for offensive tackle, it's a good draft

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Speaker 7: for edgereshers. The cool thing about this year is it's

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Speaker 7: good for wide receivers, it's good for linebackers, it's good

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Speaker 7: for safeties. We have a good wide receiver draft basically

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Speaker 7: every year. That's not new, but having a good linebacker

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Speaker 7: and safety draft is pretty new, and this year is

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Speaker 7: I was talking to general manager Yes Jennings to you know,

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Speaker 7: this is like a non traditional draft in that some

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Speaker 7: of the best players are just running backs and guards

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Speaker 7: and linebackers and safeties and positions you don't normally see

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Speaker 7: drafted early. But this year has so many of them

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Speaker 7: that we might see position of value.

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Speaker 6: Get thrown out a little bit.

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Speaker 1: Not premiere positions because they don't get that top ten selection.

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Speaker 3: But could you.

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Speaker 1: See those positions that are still valuable but not in

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Speaker 1: the category of quarterback, tackle, edge rusher that you might

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Speaker 1: see more of in the first round or early second round.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, I think so.

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Speaker 7: Not running back just because the value the talent level

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Speaker 7: isn't there. Jeremi left Notre Dame will go early. Jenerarian

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Speaker 7: price of Notre Dame will go early.

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Speaker 6: Ish. I think guard. We could see, you know, a

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Speaker 6: couple of guys in the top forty. Safety, we could see.

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Speaker 7: Three going the first round. Linebacker in terms of a

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Speaker 7: true off ball linebacker. We could see three going the

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Speaker 7: first round, depending on how you view RVL resent Ohio

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Speaker 7: State potentially four in the first round. So I do

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Speaker 7: think just the way that this class has shaped up,

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Speaker 7: where there's there's one quarterback, right, there's Fernada Mendoza, then

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Speaker 7: there's everyone else. There's one running back, there's not that

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Speaker 7: elite wide receiver prospect. There's some really good ones, but

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Speaker 7: there's not that elite guy. And I think that goes

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Speaker 7: across the board at a lot of positions, where there's

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Speaker 7: a cluster of good players instead of one elite guy.

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Speaker 7: I think that's where you have the window for those

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Speaker 7: non premium positions to say, well, there's an elite player

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Speaker 7: of safety in Caleb Downs. You know there's an elite

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Speaker 7: player at linebacker and sunny styles and it elevates those

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Speaker 7: guys a little bit more.

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Speaker 1: Is this draft being hurt at least perspective wise because

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Speaker 1: it doesn't have the quarterbacks? Whether it could be one, two,

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Speaker 1: three within the first five picks.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, So our job is a lot easier when you

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Speaker 7: can say, hey, look there's Caleb Williams and Jayden and

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Speaker 7: Daniels and Drake May and Michael Pennox and bo Nicks.

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Speaker 7: The job's lot easier when you have five quarterbacks. But

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Speaker 7: they here's the thing about it, like these teams still

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Speaker 7: have to make the picks. And every draft ever has

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Speaker 7: produced an All Pro, Most drafts have produced a Hall

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Speaker 7: of Famer at this point, right, The job is to

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Speaker 7: go find those players. And that's what's exciting for me

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Speaker 7: as someone who watches these players and then shares that

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Speaker 7: information with fans, is hey, let's go find these players.

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Speaker 5: You know.

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Speaker 6: That's that's now. The job is who is going to

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Speaker 6: be that All.

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Speaker 7: Pro at linebacker, who's going to be that All Pro

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Speaker 7: at guard, who's going to be that you know, who's

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Speaker 7: the hidden running back that's going to be drafted on

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Speaker 7: three like common un guy, and you know, help fuel

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Speaker 7: the team's playoff runt. I think that's the fun part

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Speaker 7: of the job is trying to no, maybe there's not

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Speaker 7: a rock Party, right, but maybe there is a George Kittle,

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Speaker 7: you know, or maybe there is that Day three player

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Speaker 7: that's going to become great at their position.

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Speaker 6: So trying to identify those guys with.

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Speaker 1: The quarterback position specifically, and we'll get the Cardinals at

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Speaker 1: number three, but obviously quarterback is something that is going

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Speaker 1: to be discussed with the Cardinals for a while until

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Speaker 1: we get a decision. But it's not a first round

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Speaker 1: selection because as you mentioned, it's one of one for

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Speaker 1: Nanda Mendoza. But are there potential quarterbacks that you see

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Speaker 1: day two, day three? There's always seems to be one

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Speaker 1: or two every so often that could slip through the

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Speaker 1: cracks and all of a sudden a year from now,

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Speaker 1: are like, well, how did that guy last until pick

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Speaker 1: forty five or whatever it is?

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Speaker 7: Yeah, I mean Jalen Hurts. It's a good example of

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Speaker 7: that Dak Prescott rock party. There's there's there's.

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Speaker 6: Enough of them right where you're always looking for that.

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Speaker 7: I find this, You're interesting because we were gonna see

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Speaker 7: Fernanda Mendoza go first, Tyson from Alabama go somewhere in

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Speaker 7: the first round. I think then it might be the

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Speaker 7: third round before we see Garrett nus Meyer from Melishu go,

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Speaker 7: before we see maybe Drew Aller from Penn State goes

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Speaker 7: in that range, maybe Carson Beck from Miami. But we

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Speaker 7: might actually see kind of the you know, revitalization of

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Speaker 7: the round three quarterback. Those went away for a while.

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Speaker 7: I know last year we had Della Gabriel.

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Speaker 5: But.

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Speaker 7: It seems like for a couple of years there it

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Speaker 7: was like there is no mid round quarterback, and guys

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Speaker 7: that we put mid round grades are we're going late

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Speaker 7: on Day three because teams said, well, we don't view

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Speaker 7: them as a potential starter, we'll just draft them late.

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Speaker 7: They're a backup. This where draft backups. I think this

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Speaker 7: year is a little different because you have some traitze

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Speaker 7: guys like Aler nuss Meyer Beck played Kid Club, Nick

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Speaker 7: Cole Payton. Like, there's some guys this year where you say, okay,

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Speaker 7: well maybe they do go in the third round because

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Speaker 7: there's a you know, there's been a dramatic drop off

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Speaker 7: of a play at quarterback for a lot of teams,

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Speaker 7: and like, why not try to develop one of these

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Speaker 7: guys at number three?

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Speaker 1: In your most recent at least what I saw post

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Speaker 1: Senior ball, you had the Cardinals picking Francis Mauiel. Why

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Speaker 1: one tackle?

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Speaker 3: Why Mali? Do so?

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Speaker 7: Finding someone opposite Paris Johnson Jr. I think is a

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Speaker 7: pretty important need for this team. When you have the

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Speaker 7: number three overall pick, you have a roster that has

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Speaker 7: some holes, right, and you do I think at the

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Speaker 7: top of the draft. You want to think about those

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Speaker 7: premium positions. So those must haves quarterback, tackle, pass rusher, corner.

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Speaker 7: So for the Cardinals, I think those are all in

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Speaker 7: the table, right, Quarterback, pass rusher, offensive tackle. For me,

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Speaker 7: Malno is my number five overall player. So I believe

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Speaker 7: I had Mendoza off the board. I think I probably

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Speaker 7: had rvl Reese off the board. So Malino it okay,

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Speaker 7: number five overall player. Premium position, solidify your offensive line.

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Speaker 7: If there's not a quarterback there to draft, why not

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Speaker 7: build the foundation for one. And this is like a

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Speaker 7: I think an argument you're gonna hear a lot this

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Speaker 7: year is set the table for when you do get

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Speaker 7: that quarterback, because maybe it's who knows, Kyler, Jakobe Brissett,

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Speaker 7: maybe they bring in someone else, right, set the table

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Speaker 7: for whoever that's gonna be, and hope that you can

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Speaker 7: kind of funnel things that way, build the team that way,

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Speaker 7: and say, okay, well, whoever the quarterback is, now we

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Speaker 7: got the guys.

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Speaker 6: We got the guys that can protect.

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Speaker 7: You know, you're hoping that Marvin Harrison Junior, you know,

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Speaker 7: becomes the player that he was drafted to be. You've

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Speaker 7: got Wilson on the other side, who's a good player.

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Speaker 7: Fixing the offensive line is going to solve a lot

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Speaker 7: of problems.

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Speaker 1: Is that explain why you wrote one of the most

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Speaker 1: seamless fits in the first round?

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Speaker 7: Man, three year starter right tackle. He's agile, he's mean

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Speaker 7: in the run game, he's physical, and I think we

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Speaker 7: can look at, you know, what Lafleur is bringing to

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Speaker 7: the table offensively. I think you know it fits that

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Speaker 7: just because of you know, some of that violent play style.

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Speaker 7: How well he gets to the second level in the

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Speaker 7: run game. I think he gave up one sack the

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Speaker 7: last two years. I mean, just incredible production. And he's

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Speaker 7: coming off a seventeen game season at Miami where he

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Speaker 7: was flawless. And I think, you know, it's funny to

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Speaker 7: go back in September and people are saying, oh, maybe

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Speaker 7: he's a guard, Maybe he's a guard, and then you watch.

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Speaker 6: Him just kick butt all season. I don't think he's

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Speaker 6: talking about that.

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Speaker 7: You know, it's say, okay, no, he's just a plug

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Speaker 7: and play really really high end right tackle.

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Speaker 6: And in the NFC West, you know you're going.

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Speaker 7: Against some teams that have pretty good pass rushers. You know,

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Speaker 7: we just saw what Seattle did on that run. Nick

639
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Speaker 7: Bosa will be back healthy. We know San Francisco is

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Speaker 7: going to prioritize that. And then the Rams obviously have

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Speaker 7: you know, players like Jared Versus who are so good

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Speaker 7: players up there. So I think solving the offensive line

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Speaker 7: issues it kind of creates a trickle down effect to

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Speaker 7: the rest of the offense.

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Speaker 1: You bring up the rest of the division and then

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Speaker 1: those pass rushers. So I could understand why some people

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Speaker 1: will tell right, if it's not a tackle, look for

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Speaker 1: that edge rusher so you can go after and get

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Speaker 1: the quarterback.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, there are three.

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Speaker 1: Names that people discuss when it comes to those edge

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Speaker 1: rushers is there. Do you have a hierarchy or an

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Speaker 1: order or does it matter depending on what defensive scheme

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Speaker 1: you play?

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Speaker 7: Yeah, I think scheme and team matter because they're all

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Speaker 7: so different. But this week will help figure some of

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Speaker 7: that out, right, because we want real heightweight, arm length,

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Speaker 7: agility times on these guys. If I had to rank them,

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Speaker 7: I would say rbl Reese from Ohio State would be

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Speaker 7: at the top just because of potential. He only had

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Speaker 7: ninety seven pass rush snaps last year, so it is

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Speaker 7: very much about potential and upside. That can be scary,

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Speaker 7: that can be dangerous thing. But if you believe in

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Speaker 7: your development, you believe in your coaching staff, he could

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Speaker 7: become the next Michael Parksons. He could be you know,

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Speaker 7: a player like Abdul Carter who had like fifty pressures

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Speaker 6: Ruben Bain would be.

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Speaker 7: I think rub Bin and David Bailey are essentially tied

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Speaker 7: for me because they're so different. You know, Bailey's six three,

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Speaker 7: two fifty. He's speed, he's effort, he's relentless. Bain is

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Speaker 7: two seventy five and he's all power, you know, short arms,

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Speaker 7: but he just jackknife guys when he when he gets

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Speaker 7: his hands on them in the past game and he's

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Speaker 7: really good at it against the run. So they're different.

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Speaker 7: And I think for you know, Arizona with his new

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Speaker 7: coaching staff coming in and it's figuring out, okay, what

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Speaker 7: what do we want that to look like on the edge?

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Speaker 6: Are we are you.

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Speaker 7: Going more of a stand up guy on you know,

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Speaker 7: on a wide technique, then that's David Bailey. If you're

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Speaker 7: going with more of your traditional guy who's going to

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Speaker 7: be in a six technique and you know, head up

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Speaker 7: then that's Ruben Bain.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, I think after the combine you'll get some sixty

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Speaker 3: You know, it's just.

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Speaker 7: Running up against all the great programming ESPN has. Like

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Speaker 7: So that's like, you know, people are like, what do

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Speaker 3: Ties?

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Speaker 3: Appreciate it.

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Speaker 1: Matt, always a pleasure to speak with you here from

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Speaker 1: the scouting combine, of course, thanks so much. Always good

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Speaker 1: to catch up with both Jordan and Matt. By the way,

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Speaker 1: you can follow Jordan Reid it's at Jordan Underscore Read

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Speaker 1: and for Matt Miller it's at NFL Draft Scout.

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Speaker 3: Now.

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Speaker 1: Need to pay attention to Jordan because does he pay

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Speaker 1: off the tees that he gave us at the end

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Speaker 1: of his interview, because a new mock draft is expected

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Speaker 1: to drop early this week, I think Tuesday day or

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Speaker 1: Wednesday of this week. And just by the way he

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Speaker 1: talked about that mock drafts and the look in his eye,

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Speaker 1: do we see a position that's not offensive lineman or

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Speaker 1: edge rusher.

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Speaker 4: Yes, okay, let's talk through it. Quarterback, which had not

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Speaker 4: crossed my mind until our discussion with Field Yates. I

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Speaker 4: was a stunner, right. I don't think that's the direction

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Speaker 4: Jordan Breid would go though, So maybe running back with

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Speaker 4: the name Jeremiah Love out of Notre Dame. If you

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Speaker 4: want to take straight up best player available at three,

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Speaker 4: I think you and I have similar thoughts on that.

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Speaker 4: That is so great if the Cardinals are in a

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Speaker 4: different position, if you didn't need so much help with

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Speaker 4: offensive line, if there were possible question marks at quarterback.

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Speaker 4: I just think for where they are right now, I'm

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Speaker 4: not sure that makes the most sense. But as we're

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Speaker 4: talking this through, what if Maria's just decides to go

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Speaker 4: absolutely crazy and draft one of the other best players

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Speaker 4: in the draft, Caleb Downs, safety out of Ohio State.

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Speaker 1: Wow, right, I could talk myself more into quarterback and

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Speaker 1: running back, maybe running back more than quarterback, and then

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Speaker 1: way down the line lately is Caleb Downs. But if

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Speaker 1: you believe, because there are many people out there that

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Speaker 1: believe pound for pound best player, what they can do,

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Speaker 1: regardless of position is Caleb Downs.

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Speaker 4: Jalen Thompson is a pending free agent. Garrett Williams, who

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Speaker 4: plays your nickel, is going to miss a significant amount

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Speaker 4: of time suffering an achilles injury at the end of

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Speaker 4: last season, and Buddha Baker is still here. But if

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Speaker 4: you're going to try and build for the future with

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Speaker 4: the player as good and getting as high projections as

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Speaker 4: Downs is, I'm just saying it's a possibility. No, don't

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Speaker 4: don't come at me saying an he wants the Cardinals

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Speaker 4: to draft Caleb Downs or Jeremiah love It three. We

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Speaker 4: are just saying the teas from Jordan Reed to expect

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Speaker 4: a twist in his latest mock draft, which we have

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Speaker 4: not seen yet. It hasn't dropped at the time of

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Speaker 4: this recording. If we're going to start thinking outside the box,

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Speaker 4: that's where my mind.

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Speaker 1: Goes and typically why you don't consider running back or safety.

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Speaker 1: That high is because there's value at these positions where

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Speaker 1: you select in the top five top ten, and typically

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Speaker 1: it's quarterback number one, and then after that it's some

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Speaker 1: order of tackle, edge rusher, cornerback, and then you kind

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Speaker 1: of filter what you need or what you believe could

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Speaker 1: be the better position at a higher value. So would

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Speaker 1: I be surprised if in a little over a month

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Speaker 1: from now, you and I are sitting right where we are,

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Speaker 1: right where we are, right now here in the Dignity

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Speaker 1: Health Arizona Cardinals training Center, and not the Arizona Cardinals,

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Speaker 1: but a team.

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Speaker 3: Shoot.

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Speaker 1: I've even seen potential at the jet set number two

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Speaker 1: maybe go wild card, meaning running back or safety. Because

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Speaker 1: you talk to enough people those particular players Jeremiah Love

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Speaker 1: and Caleb Downs, they are going to be selected in

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Speaker 1: the top ten because they are that good at what

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Speaker 1: they do.

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Speaker 4: I've seen top five for Love at least in two weeks.

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Speaker 4: This conversation could be drastically different if the Cardinals decide

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Speaker 4: to spend heavy money on multiple offensive linemen in free agency.

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Speaker 4: That could change the game. That could open up the

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Speaker 4: topic of Okay, maybe you take an Edgresher or maybe

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Speaker 4: you do go for one of these more wild cards

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Speaker 4: players not even just positions, but very specific and intentional players,

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Speaker 4: even if they do pump money in towards offensive line.

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Speaker 4: You can never have too many good offensive lineman on

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Speaker 4: a roster. But I think depending on some of the

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Speaker 4: moves we see early on in free agency, that could

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Speaker 4: change the conversations we're having with the first in the

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Speaker 4: first round.

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Speaker 1: I like what Matt Miller had to say with respects

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Speaker 1: to what the Cardinals are selecting and why he believes

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Speaker 1: it would be at least right now leaning more towards

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Speaker 1: offensive line. Quote, if you don't have AQB, why not

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Speaker 1: build the foundation for him? And that makes perfect sense. Yes,

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Speaker 1: you want the quarterback, but in this draft there's one.

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Speaker 1: Fernandaman does it, and then there's a drop off and

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Speaker 1: Ty Simpson. Although Field Jates brought it up, I just

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Speaker 1: don't see that as a realistic possibility. But if there

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Speaker 1: was a quarterback class from a year ago or two

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Speaker 1: years ago where you have two or three or four

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Speaker 1: that gets selected in the first fifteen picks, Okay, you

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Speaker 1: get your quarterback, but if you don't, how about you

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Speaker 1: build to where you are ready for that quarterback? Whether

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Speaker 1: that's this year or next year, meaning a solid offensive line,

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Speaker 1: you've got the skilled position players that tied it in

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Speaker 1: wide receiver, don't quite know about running back, but at

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Speaker 1: least should be able to put in a quarterback in

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Speaker 1: and say we've got someone that is going to be

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Speaker 1: able to stay up right into the pocket and certainly

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Speaker 1: throw to whomever he wants to. It's just a matter

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Speaker 1: of what else you do in the backfield.

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Speaker 4: Blessing and a curse is I could sit here and

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Speaker 4: I could give reason for all of these positions and

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Speaker 4: or specific players running backs room. James Connor is going

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Speaker 4: to be thirty one years old, and I'm not saying

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Speaker 4: that's old, but when you're playing football, it is on

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Speaker 4: the side where you're nearing the end of your career

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Speaker 4: rather than the peak typically. Now, Connor has been fantastic

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Speaker 4: the last few years, I mean the last full seasons

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Speaker 4: back to back thousand yard rushing seasons. He had a

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Speaker 4: really gnarly ankle injury at the beginning of this past year.

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Speaker 4: What is that going to look like with his recovery?

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Speaker 4: What is his coaching staff in a vision with Connor?

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Speaker 4: And what do you have in Trey Benson who hasn't

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Speaker 4: had a full season in his first two years. You

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Speaker 4: could make an argument of why Jeremiah Love could make

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Speaker 4: sense at number three. You don't ever want a full

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Speaker 4: worse a player or position, especially with quarterback. You also

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Speaker 4: have to remember, though it's not a guarantee, you can't

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Speaker 4: always just say we'll address it in next year's draft.

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Speaker 4: The draft class is supposed to be so much better.

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Speaker 4: Look at the Cardinals picking at number three. Is there

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Speaker 4: a quarterback that's expected to be there available worth that

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Speaker 4: hive a pick at starting at number two. No, So,

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Speaker 4: just because it's going to be a better draft class

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Speaker 4: and because you might have a high pick doesn't guarantee

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Speaker 4: that there's going to be a quarterback. And Ty Simpson

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Speaker 4: is a great example of somebody who this time last

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Speaker 4: year probably would have had a much higher draft stock

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Speaker 4: than where he is right now.

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Speaker 1: And that's the key in all of this is because

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Speaker 1: things can change drastically from one year to the next. Heck,

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Speaker 1: in the NFL, it's week to week, day to day.

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Speaker 1: Cardinals experience that this past season, given the number of

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Speaker 1: injuries that hit them on a daily basis, it seemed

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Speaker 1: especially early in the season. So yeah, there's going to

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Speaker 1: be plenty of time to dissect and discuss all of this,

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Speaker 1: But it is fascinating to hear others talk, not when

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Speaker 1: I say others meaning outside of our little bubble here

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Speaker 1: in Arizona.

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Speaker 4: Let's take a guess who we think Jordan reads teaser

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Speaker 4: is going to be on three. Say that, say the

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Speaker 4: player name ready, one, two, three, Jeremiah Love Yep, okay,

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Speaker 4: we'll see you right.

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Speaker 1: Based off of his reaction, and yeah, I think that's

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Speaker 1: that's where I'm leaning towards now Again, it's you do

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Speaker 1: enough mock drafts, Eventually you're going to mock. Unless you're

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Speaker 1: mocking the Las Vegas Raiders, you're gonna hear and see

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Speaker 1: different names attached to that number three.

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Speaker 6: Overall.

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Speaker 4: I don't know I've seen a mock draft where the

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Speaker 4: Las Vegas Raiders don't even pick Fernando Mendo's number one. Craig,

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Speaker 4: I believe you've seen a mock draft like that too.

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Speaker 3: I do.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's just it's unrealistic. Sorry, boss, Look forward to

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Speaker 1: the rest of the week. Yeah, quick program, I mean note,

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Speaker 1: Because Dan and I spoke to so many people last week,

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Speaker 1: we will continue to bring those interviews here this week.

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Speaker 1: And of course should news break, yeah, we'll be here

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Speaker 1: as well because we are all waiting and we continue

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Speaker 1: to wait for what the Arizona Cardinals may or may

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Speaker 1: not do at the quarterback position. And on that note,

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Speaker 1: we will put a lid on this edition of Cardinals.

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Speaker 1: Cover two, presented by Hyundai, proud partner of the Arizona Cardinals,

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Speaker 1: has always special thanks to our executive producer Jim am Andre,

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Speaker 1: our associate producer Coddy Fincher. For Danny Sirek, I'm Pragrie Lou.

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Speaker 1: We'll talk to you next time here on Cardinals Cover

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