1 00:00:01,400 --> 00:00:05,440 Speaker 1: This podcast is presented by Pacific Office Automation, proud partner 2 00:00:05,440 --> 00:00:08,760 Speaker 1: of the Arizona Cardinals and your one stop shop for 3 00:00:08,880 --> 00:00:13,360 Speaker 1: optimizing all your office technology. Visit Pacific Office dot Com. 4 00:00:13,520 --> 00:00:18,280 Speaker 1: Problem solved? Is it put? Is it pot? Bah? My goodness, 5 00:00:18,320 --> 00:00:22,200 Speaker 1: it's put. DeAndre Hopkins, he put it for a duckdown. 6 00:00:22,480 --> 00:00:26,160 Speaker 1: You've got to be joking me. Welcome to Cardinals Underground, 7 00:00:26,440 --> 00:00:30,800 Speaker 1: presented by the Pacific Office Automation. Visit Pacific Office dot Com. 8 00:00:31,000 --> 00:00:34,960 Speaker 1: Problems solved, tuck down Tyler Murray. That defender is in 9 00:00:35,120 --> 00:00:39,120 Speaker 1: multiple pieces. All that was nasty right there? Rights the 10 00:00:39,200 --> 00:00:42,160 Speaker 1: latest news and notes from the guys who cover the teams. 11 00:00:42,280 --> 00:00:45,400 Speaker 1: Rilled by Simmons. Isaiah Simmons is bawling, Bring it on, 12 00:00:45,520 --> 00:00:48,600 Speaker 1: Bring it on. Slam the ground by Fota Baker like 13 00:00:48,720 --> 00:00:52,080 Speaker 1: a torpedo. He came flying into the backfield. I scared 14 00:00:52,120 --> 00:00:58,680 Speaker 1: and nobody here's Paul Calvic I look right off the top. 15 00:00:59,120 --> 00:01:03,160 Speaker 1: I believe all were were truly willing to say about 16 00:01:03,280 --> 00:01:06,440 Speaker 1: the absence of Kyle o'deguard and Darren. You can back 17 00:01:06,480 --> 00:01:08,039 Speaker 1: me up on this. I don't know if there's any 18 00:01:08,080 --> 00:01:11,400 Speaker 1: official from management is that he's still a member of 19 00:01:11,520 --> 00:01:15,120 Speaker 1: Cardinals Underground right now, in the words of Sean McBay 20 00:01:15,240 --> 00:01:18,560 Speaker 1: right now, or maybe the Rams GM less Need. At 21 00:01:18,560 --> 00:01:21,520 Speaker 1: the moment, Kyle Odeguard is still a member of Cardinals Underground, 22 00:01:21,520 --> 00:01:26,000 Speaker 1: even though supposedly, Darren you granted him vacation. You're telling 23 00:01:26,080 --> 00:01:29,640 Speaker 1: me that working every single day since late July merits 24 00:01:29,720 --> 00:01:33,880 Speaker 1: vacation here in late January. Well, you know, again, as 25 00:01:34,160 --> 00:01:37,920 Speaker 1: less Sneed mentioned the fact that even in today's salary 26 00:01:37,959 --> 00:01:40,200 Speaker 1: cap world, Paul, you can make anything work if you 27 00:01:40,280 --> 00:01:43,760 Speaker 1: really wanted to. So you know, we'll see what direction 28 00:01:43,800 --> 00:01:46,920 Speaker 1: that all goes. Wow, that's cryptic. That truly is cryptic 29 00:01:47,000 --> 00:01:49,200 Speaker 1: right there. Maybe I better save Kyle at the moment 30 00:01:49,240 --> 00:01:51,600 Speaker 1: by mentioning we're brought to you by a Pacific Office Automation, 31 00:01:51,640 --> 00:01:54,400 Speaker 1: proud partner of the Arizona Cardinals and Cardinals Underground. Okay, 32 00:01:55,560 --> 00:01:59,320 Speaker 1: you know what, Kyle wasn't there at Super Bowl forty three, 33 00:01:59,440 --> 00:02:03,280 Speaker 1: just based on his age demo, we were, and that's 34 00:02:03,320 --> 00:02:05,360 Speaker 1: where the super Bowl is going back. So maybe if 35 00:02:05,400 --> 00:02:07,960 Speaker 1: there's if there's one week where it's fitting that we 36 00:02:08,040 --> 00:02:11,399 Speaker 1: revisit Tampa and his Super Bowl, this would be the one. 37 00:02:11,480 --> 00:02:16,200 Speaker 1: You're truly, Paul CALVC, Darren Urban and Bruce Arians at home. 38 00:02:16,520 --> 00:02:18,080 Speaker 1: Bucks gonna be the first team to play on their 39 00:02:18,080 --> 00:02:21,400 Speaker 1: home stadium in a Super Bowl. And yes, everybody now 40 00:02:21,480 --> 00:02:25,080 Speaker 1: Tom Brady against Patrick Mahomes, but it is amazing, at 41 00:02:25,120 --> 00:02:28,080 Speaker 1: least for me to see Bruce Arians. Everyone talks about 42 00:02:28,120 --> 00:02:30,120 Speaker 1: Tom Brady at age forty three, and I get in 43 00:02:30,160 --> 00:02:34,480 Speaker 1: and Patrick Mahomes is twenty five and momes father is fifty. Hey, 44 00:02:34,639 --> 00:02:36,760 Speaker 1: by the way, Darren, I don't know if this happened 45 00:02:36,800 --> 00:02:39,799 Speaker 1: to you. You're younger than me, but there's always this 46 00:02:39,880 --> 00:02:42,000 Speaker 1: sober in reality check. And this happened for the first 47 00:02:42,040 --> 00:02:44,880 Speaker 1: time two years ago when I found out the actually 48 00:02:44,880 --> 00:02:46,760 Speaker 1: the intern didn't hesitate to tell me that I was 49 00:02:46,800 --> 00:02:49,760 Speaker 1: older than his father. So there's always that that moment 50 00:02:49,800 --> 00:02:54,080 Speaker 1: when you're older than the interns parents. There is that moment. 51 00:02:54,360 --> 00:02:56,360 Speaker 1: You know, it's funny you bring that up. Not to 52 00:02:56,400 --> 00:03:00,720 Speaker 1: get too far afield here, Paul, but there is a 53 00:03:00,760 --> 00:03:06,120 Speaker 1: certain Meter relations member who I get along with famously, 54 00:03:06,760 --> 00:03:10,079 Speaker 1: first name of Chase, who I was having some discussion 55 00:03:10,120 --> 00:03:13,400 Speaker 1: a couple of years ago about I think it was 56 00:03:13,520 --> 00:03:16,880 Speaker 1: Christmas music or something, and somehow he's mentioned the fact 57 00:03:16,919 --> 00:03:19,720 Speaker 1: his mom liked a certain song, and somehow, for some 58 00:03:19,800 --> 00:03:22,440 Speaker 1: stupid reason, I decided to ask how old his mom was. 59 00:03:22,919 --> 00:03:24,919 Speaker 1: And this is somebody I've gone out with on the road. 60 00:03:24,960 --> 00:03:27,000 Speaker 1: We've hung out a little bit, and I found out 61 00:03:27,000 --> 00:03:29,920 Speaker 1: his mom was younger than me, and not by like 62 00:03:30,120 --> 00:03:32,520 Speaker 1: six months by it, but by a couple of years. 63 00:03:32,600 --> 00:03:36,040 Speaker 1: And it was you talk about sobering, but I got 64 00:03:36,080 --> 00:03:38,440 Speaker 1: to sobering, or Paul, you're not in this place yet, 65 00:03:38,480 --> 00:03:41,560 Speaker 1: but like I am now in a place where when 66 00:03:41,600 --> 00:03:43,760 Speaker 1: I go in the locker room, not this year, of course, 67 00:03:43,800 --> 00:03:45,400 Speaker 1: because of the pandemic, but when I go into the 68 00:03:45,400 --> 00:03:48,000 Speaker 1: locker room there are a couple of guys now that 69 00:03:48,120 --> 00:03:53,400 Speaker 1: are actually younger or the same exact age as my 70 00:03:53,440 --> 00:03:56,880 Speaker 1: oldest son. So I'm pretty much there, and it's it's 71 00:03:56,960 --> 00:04:00,760 Speaker 1: painful and I'm gonna weep later, but we'll get through it. 72 00:04:01,000 --> 00:04:03,200 Speaker 1: And that's the problem with the locker room and covering 73 00:04:03,240 --> 00:04:06,120 Speaker 1: the NFL is the meet the age in the locker room. 74 00:04:06,160 --> 00:04:10,440 Speaker 1: The meeting age really never changes. No everyone else ages, 75 00:04:10,920 --> 00:04:13,000 Speaker 1: but the locker room does not. The locker room might 76 00:04:13,000 --> 00:04:15,480 Speaker 1: always meet between like twenty one and thirty five for 77 00:04:15,480 --> 00:04:18,400 Speaker 1: the most part. Did you just go Matthew McConaughey. Uh 78 00:04:19,120 --> 00:04:22,680 Speaker 1: all there you stay the same when all the girls 79 00:04:22,760 --> 00:04:24,760 Speaker 1: get younger and you just stay the same or whatever 80 00:04:24,800 --> 00:04:27,440 Speaker 1: that line was. I'm trying to remember that line from 81 00:04:28,600 --> 00:04:30,960 Speaker 1: what was the movie. I'm drawing a blank on it, 82 00:04:31,000 --> 00:04:33,880 Speaker 1: which is horrible. But Matthew, I wish I had the 83 00:04:34,440 --> 00:04:37,320 Speaker 1: ability to quote of Matthew McConaughey right now, but no, 84 00:04:37,400 --> 00:04:41,279 Speaker 1: I stumbled into that one. If if that's indeed the case. See, 85 00:04:41,279 --> 00:04:43,680 Speaker 1: that's another reason Larry needs to come back. That's why 86 00:04:43,680 --> 00:04:45,640 Speaker 1: he needs to play this coming season at thirty eight. 87 00:04:45,720 --> 00:04:48,599 Speaker 1: That's why it's a small for the for the rest 88 00:04:48,640 --> 00:04:50,880 Speaker 1: of us. But how to me when I see Bruce 89 00:04:50,920 --> 00:04:55,720 Speaker 1: Arians and we all remember, right, is notable and entertaining 90 00:04:55,839 --> 00:04:58,920 Speaker 1: introductory press conference as head coach of the Arizona Cardinals 91 00:04:58,960 --> 00:05:00,560 Speaker 1: when he was named in two thousand thirteen. And what 92 00:05:00,600 --> 00:05:04,640 Speaker 1: was the famous quote, Darren sixty and sexy. Well that's 93 00:05:05,839 --> 00:05:08,400 Speaker 1: sixty eight, and well, I don't know about the four 94 00:05:08,480 --> 00:05:10,200 Speaker 1: letter S word. I don't know about that. But he's 95 00:05:10,200 --> 00:05:14,760 Speaker 1: sixty eight. And there's Bruce Arians And how many Cardinals 96 00:05:14,839 --> 00:05:17,400 Speaker 1: ties are there? Too many to list in this single 97 00:05:17,520 --> 00:05:20,720 Speaker 1: edition of Cardinals Underground put it that way. But you know, 98 00:05:21,040 --> 00:05:24,599 Speaker 1: to me, to see the storylines and to see Bruce 99 00:05:24,640 --> 00:05:29,320 Speaker 1: Arians and to see what he's done with a veteran quarterback, 100 00:05:29,440 --> 00:05:32,960 Speaker 1: albeit the greatest of all time. But to me, there 101 00:05:32,960 --> 00:05:35,680 Speaker 1: are a lot of parallels to what he did with 102 00:05:35,760 --> 00:05:40,400 Speaker 1: Carson Palmer in Arizona and changing things around. And look 103 00:05:40,440 --> 00:05:43,240 Speaker 1: at the Buccaneers their first playoff appearance. It's two thousand 104 00:05:43,240 --> 00:05:45,479 Speaker 1: and seven, and now they've secured the first playoff wins 105 00:05:45,480 --> 00:05:47,880 Speaker 1: since two thousand and two, and boom, it's Super Bowl 106 00:05:47,880 --> 00:05:51,360 Speaker 1: fifty five. Well, and you know I'm taking the parallel 107 00:05:51,400 --> 00:05:55,279 Speaker 1: even further, Paul. I mean, granted, this is be a 108 00:05:55,320 --> 00:05:57,839 Speaker 1: second year in Tampa, but it's obviously Brady's first game. 109 00:05:57,880 --> 00:06:00,480 Speaker 1: We all know the kind of the ups and downs 110 00:06:00,520 --> 00:06:03,000 Speaker 1: that first half of the first year Carson had trying 111 00:06:03,000 --> 00:06:05,800 Speaker 1: to learn Bruce Arians offense, and not just Carson, but 112 00:06:06,000 --> 00:06:09,040 Speaker 1: a lot of the receivers that year, to the point 113 00:06:09,080 --> 00:06:11,760 Speaker 1: where I had fans tweeting at me that year in 114 00:06:11,800 --> 00:06:14,800 Speaker 1: twenty thirteen saying they should be putting Drew Stanton in 115 00:06:14,880 --> 00:06:17,600 Speaker 1: a quarterback and get rid of Carson Palmer. And if 116 00:06:17,640 --> 00:06:21,280 Speaker 1: you recall, something clicked about mid season and they got 117 00:06:21,520 --> 00:06:23,839 Speaker 1: Super Red hot, and they won seven of the last 118 00:06:23,920 --> 00:06:26,120 Speaker 1: nine games, and they ended up with a ten and 119 00:06:26,160 --> 00:06:29,400 Speaker 1: six record, and they just missed the playoffs because the tiebreakers. 120 00:06:30,080 --> 00:06:31,720 Speaker 1: But there was a lot of people that felt like, I, 121 00:06:31,920 --> 00:06:34,479 Speaker 1: had that team gotten into the playoffs, they could have 122 00:06:34,480 --> 00:06:37,640 Speaker 1: done some real damage because they really hit their stride. 123 00:06:37,640 --> 00:06:40,400 Speaker 1: And I keep thinking of that whole thing when it 124 00:06:40,400 --> 00:06:42,760 Speaker 1: comes to the Buccaneers. They were very much up and 125 00:06:42,800 --> 00:06:45,040 Speaker 1: down early in the season. Brady didn't look great all 126 00:06:45,040 --> 00:06:47,480 Speaker 1: of the time, and they seemed to have hit their 127 00:06:47,480 --> 00:06:50,600 Speaker 1: stride at the perfect time. They were seven and five, 128 00:06:51,320 --> 00:06:55,120 Speaker 1: and Tom Brady told the story recently that yeah, there 129 00:06:55,200 --> 00:06:58,640 Speaker 1: was some serious unrest internally with the Buccaneers. They were 130 00:06:58,640 --> 00:07:02,679 Speaker 1: beating themselves, there were some bad penalties. Guys certainly weren't 131 00:07:02,680 --> 00:07:06,159 Speaker 1: playing to the standards that tom Brady had in mind. 132 00:07:06,200 --> 00:07:10,040 Speaker 1: And I mentioned Tom Brady because that's what Bruce Arians mentioned. 133 00:07:10,080 --> 00:07:13,000 Speaker 1: You know, BA was the one talking about tom Brady's 134 00:07:13,000 --> 00:07:16,480 Speaker 1: impact here this week and saying, quote the belief he 135 00:07:16,520 --> 00:07:20,000 Speaker 1: gave everybody in this organization that this could be done. 136 00:07:20,520 --> 00:07:23,600 Speaker 1: It only took one man. And that was interesting to 137 00:07:23,600 --> 00:07:27,280 Speaker 1: hear BA actually give that sort of credit to Tom Brady. 138 00:07:27,320 --> 00:07:29,280 Speaker 1: But then again, if you go back to those years 139 00:07:29,280 --> 00:07:32,640 Speaker 1: and you know it, Darren, for example, Carson Palmer would 140 00:07:32,720 --> 00:07:34,880 Speaker 1: run practices on a Friday. He would run the offensive 141 00:07:34,880 --> 00:07:36,680 Speaker 1: side of the ball on a Friday. And that was 142 00:07:36,720 --> 00:07:40,640 Speaker 1: the other quote that BA gave the Fox commentators before 143 00:07:40,680 --> 00:07:44,560 Speaker 1: the NFC Championship game that unlike what they were doing 144 00:07:44,640 --> 00:07:48,160 Speaker 1: in New England, he has given Tom Brady rain to 145 00:07:48,240 --> 00:07:51,560 Speaker 1: run things. And that's all part of that culture that 146 00:07:51,720 --> 00:07:54,640 Speaker 1: to me, you tell me, you know, I've been following 147 00:07:54,680 --> 00:07:56,680 Speaker 1: the NFL since I was covering those forty nine er 148 00:07:56,720 --> 00:07:58,880 Speaker 1: teams in the eighties when I was an intern in college. 149 00:07:58,880 --> 00:08:00,960 Speaker 1: An interview in Joe Monte and Ronnie Lott and all 150 00:08:00,960 --> 00:08:04,760 Speaker 1: those guys. But the culture and the accountability of any 151 00:08:04,840 --> 00:08:07,080 Speaker 1: NFL team to me is two fold. It's always the 152 00:08:07,080 --> 00:08:10,400 Speaker 1: head coach and it's always the quarterback. There are exceptions, 153 00:08:10,760 --> 00:08:14,280 Speaker 1: but for the most part, it's that combo that ensures 154 00:08:14,320 --> 00:08:17,480 Speaker 1: if you can get leadership and accountability from those two positions, 155 00:08:17,960 --> 00:08:20,680 Speaker 1: then you know, that's the most direct path to a 156 00:08:20,720 --> 00:08:24,440 Speaker 1: Super Bowl. I would agree with that to a certain well, yeah, 157 00:08:24,440 --> 00:08:26,680 Speaker 1: I would agree with that, but you know, I do 158 00:08:26,760 --> 00:08:29,480 Speaker 1: think some things have come together at the perfect time. 159 00:08:29,520 --> 00:08:32,800 Speaker 1: I mean, I don't think you. I don't think you 160 00:08:32,880 --> 00:08:38,679 Speaker 1: can underestimate how important Brady himself is not just about 161 00:08:38,679 --> 00:08:41,280 Speaker 1: being a leader, but being Tom Brady. I mean, you 162 00:08:41,280 --> 00:08:44,520 Speaker 1: could have brought in a lot of quarterbacks this year 163 00:08:44,600 --> 00:08:46,640 Speaker 1: and I don't think it clicks all together. And there's 164 00:08:46,720 --> 00:08:49,360 Speaker 1: other parts to it too. I mean, just this past weekend, Paul, 165 00:08:49,840 --> 00:08:52,880 Speaker 1: I mean, Tom Brady few three picks and for some reason, 166 00:08:54,200 --> 00:08:57,280 Speaker 1: the Packers, whether it was Todd Bowles putting together a 167 00:08:57,280 --> 00:08:59,760 Speaker 1: great defense or the Packers just not coming up the 168 00:08:59,800 --> 00:09:02,560 Speaker 1: way they wanted to. The Packers got six points out 169 00:09:02,559 --> 00:09:04,640 Speaker 1: of that, they end up losing by a single score, 170 00:09:05,280 --> 00:09:09,120 Speaker 1: and it just feels like the Packers had their chances. 171 00:09:09,120 --> 00:09:11,200 Speaker 1: And if we're sitting here and the Packers come back 172 00:09:11,240 --> 00:09:14,560 Speaker 1: to win that game, it doesn't necessarily negate everything that 173 00:09:14,640 --> 00:09:17,400 Speaker 1: Brady and Arians did. But it goes back to you 174 00:09:17,720 --> 00:09:20,200 Speaker 1: need some things to fall right for you, beyond just 175 00:09:21,600 --> 00:09:24,240 Speaker 1: having everything perfect. And that's why when you talk about 176 00:09:24,280 --> 00:09:27,560 Speaker 1: having the right culture, to me, that's the most important part, 177 00:09:27,640 --> 00:09:31,080 Speaker 1: not just to get you there, but it's to put 178 00:09:31,120 --> 00:09:34,080 Speaker 1: you in a position that when things do fall into 179 00:09:34,120 --> 00:09:36,960 Speaker 1: place for you, you are able to take advantage of it. 180 00:09:37,000 --> 00:09:39,320 Speaker 1: I think that's ultimately it. I don't think I don't 181 00:09:39,320 --> 00:09:41,720 Speaker 1: think something like that gets you to the super Bowl 182 00:09:41,760 --> 00:09:44,200 Speaker 1: per se, but it puts you in a position to 183 00:09:44,240 --> 00:09:49,160 Speaker 1: take advantage when you have those chances. And look, that game, 184 00:09:49,200 --> 00:09:52,360 Speaker 1: you're right, had the earmarks of Bruce Arians, no risk 185 00:09:52,400 --> 00:09:54,680 Speaker 1: at no biscuit. I just looked before halftime. It was 186 00:09:54,720 --> 00:09:58,400 Speaker 1: fourth and fourth at the Tampa what fourth and goal 187 00:09:58,920 --> 00:10:01,360 Speaker 1: at the checked out it was four than four from 188 00:10:01,360 --> 00:10:05,080 Speaker 1: the Green Bay forty five? Yeah, and and boom they 189 00:10:05,200 --> 00:10:08,199 Speaker 1: ran the quick swing pass the Leonard Fournette and then 190 00:10:08,360 --> 00:10:10,280 Speaker 1: after picking up the first down, it was the very 191 00:10:10,360 --> 00:10:13,800 Speaker 1: next snap obviously that went thirty nine yards at Scottie Miller. 192 00:10:13,800 --> 00:10:17,440 Speaker 1: And then after the game there was Matt Lafleur afterwards saying, quote, yeah, 193 00:10:17,440 --> 00:10:20,080 Speaker 1: it was man coverage, definitely not the right call for 194 00:10:20,160 --> 00:10:24,760 Speaker 1: this situation, but it was at aggressiveness of Bruce Arians 195 00:10:24,800 --> 00:10:28,000 Speaker 1: and the chunk play at Grande in that moment that 196 00:10:28,120 --> 00:10:30,720 Speaker 1: might have been the key play of the game clearly, 197 00:10:30,880 --> 00:10:33,560 Speaker 1: And this is where Bruce looks at it like that 198 00:10:33,720 --> 00:10:35,520 Speaker 1: was that's one where you're trying to stay ahead of 199 00:10:35,520 --> 00:10:40,520 Speaker 1: the next coach and in that situation, the Buccaneers had 200 00:10:40,559 --> 00:10:43,680 Speaker 1: so little time left that the only thing that made 201 00:10:43,679 --> 00:10:45,800 Speaker 1: sense to run enough to get a field goal was 202 00:10:45,800 --> 00:10:48,520 Speaker 1: to run a short pass on the sideline because they 203 00:10:48,520 --> 00:10:51,160 Speaker 1: were out of time out. And that's what the Packers 204 00:10:51,160 --> 00:10:52,959 Speaker 1: played for that they were going to try and run 205 00:10:53,000 --> 00:10:54,480 Speaker 1: this and gain a few more yards to get the 206 00:10:54,520 --> 00:10:57,160 Speaker 1: first down and try a long field goal. And the 207 00:10:57,200 --> 00:10:59,480 Speaker 1: Buck said, well, you know, if that's how you're going 208 00:10:59,520 --> 00:11:01,480 Speaker 1: to play it, fine, that we're gonna go for it all. 209 00:11:01,559 --> 00:11:04,800 Speaker 1: And if this pass isn't complete, oh well, we won't 210 00:11:04,800 --> 00:11:07,200 Speaker 1: get any points here, but we're gonna go for it. 211 00:11:07,280 --> 00:11:11,160 Speaker 1: And they they outsmarted what the Packers did for sure. 212 00:11:11,360 --> 00:11:15,960 Speaker 1: And still even with all that, the Packers weren't a 213 00:11:16,000 --> 00:11:19,600 Speaker 1: position to come back. And again, just so many things 214 00:11:19,679 --> 00:11:24,080 Speaker 1: have to go, even that game itself. Paul harken back 215 00:11:24,120 --> 00:11:27,920 Speaker 1: to me of the NFC Championship where the Cardinals did 216 00:11:27,920 --> 00:11:30,120 Speaker 1: everything right in the first half against the Eagles and 217 00:11:30,200 --> 00:11:32,600 Speaker 1: still fell behind in the second half before having to 218 00:11:32,600 --> 00:11:34,560 Speaker 1: come in. I kind of felt like there was a 219 00:11:34,559 --> 00:11:39,120 Speaker 1: little deja vu. Obviously not with the Cardinals being involved, 220 00:11:39,200 --> 00:11:41,320 Speaker 1: but you know, there was a it looked like the 221 00:11:41,320 --> 00:11:44,800 Speaker 1: Buccaneers had broken the Packers spirit with that playwright before 222 00:11:44,800 --> 00:11:48,400 Speaker 1: the half, and yet the Packers had every opportunity to 223 00:11:48,400 --> 00:11:50,959 Speaker 1: take a lead at some point. Well, and then, as 224 00:11:51,000 --> 00:11:54,080 Speaker 1: I was referencing earlier incorrectly, you know, you get the 225 00:11:54,120 --> 00:11:56,120 Speaker 1: Green Bay decision. Obviously at the end of the game, 226 00:11:56,120 --> 00:11:57,880 Speaker 1: just more than two minutes to play, and that's fourth 227 00:11:57,880 --> 00:12:00,800 Speaker 1: and goal to Tampa eight, and they I did go 228 00:12:00,920 --> 00:12:04,920 Speaker 1: for the field goal instead of your MVP quarterback taking 229 00:12:04,960 --> 00:12:07,640 Speaker 1: a shot on fourth down with the number one red 230 00:12:07,720 --> 00:12:10,319 Speaker 1: zone offense during the regular season in Green Bay. And 231 00:12:10,480 --> 00:12:13,560 Speaker 1: that reminded me diferent of the first half of Super 232 00:12:13,640 --> 00:12:18,200 Speaker 1: Bowl forty three and the Cardinals conservative game plane. A 233 00:12:18,240 --> 00:12:21,839 Speaker 1: year or two later, Todd Hailey came out and said, yeah, 234 00:12:21,880 --> 00:12:24,199 Speaker 1: if I had one to regret, it was not opening 235 00:12:24,200 --> 00:12:27,040 Speaker 1: it up earlier. It was not unleashing Kurt Warner earlier 236 00:12:27,040 --> 00:12:30,040 Speaker 1: in Super Bowl forty three. Well, I know that when 237 00:12:30,080 --> 00:12:33,600 Speaker 1: I did my big oral history of Fitz's fantastic playoff 238 00:12:35,800 --> 00:12:39,160 Speaker 1: stretch there, which is still up oneasy Cardinals dot com 239 00:12:39,160 --> 00:12:41,520 Speaker 1: if you want to read it. But I know one 240 00:12:41,559 --> 00:12:43,640 Speaker 1: of the things Hailey told me at the time was 241 00:12:44,240 --> 00:12:48,200 Speaker 1: the conservativeness wasn't so much that they didn't think that 242 00:12:48,280 --> 00:12:51,200 Speaker 1: opening up, Kurt Warner could do some things, but Haley 243 00:12:51,200 --> 00:12:54,840 Speaker 1: and wizzenhow were scared to death that that really, really 244 00:12:54,880 --> 00:12:58,959 Speaker 1: good Steelers pass rush would basically obliterate Kurt Warner. They 245 00:12:58,960 --> 00:13:01,720 Speaker 1: did not have the past blockers to hold up the 246 00:13:01,760 --> 00:13:04,480 Speaker 1: whole game, and they were afraid it was only going 247 00:13:04,559 --> 00:13:07,080 Speaker 1: to take one hit against an older Kurt Warner, and 248 00:13:07,160 --> 00:13:08,800 Speaker 1: if you had to go to Matt Leiner, you were 249 00:13:08,840 --> 00:13:12,360 Speaker 1: probably done. So that's kind of I think was the 250 00:13:12,400 --> 00:13:14,959 Speaker 1: thought process. I get that. It's funny going back though, 251 00:13:15,920 --> 00:13:19,400 Speaker 1: when you talk about that Packer's decision one. I still 252 00:13:19,400 --> 00:13:21,600 Speaker 1: don't have any idea why Aaron Rodgers didn't run on 253 00:13:21,640 --> 00:13:24,079 Speaker 1: third down. It looked like he was gonna get in 254 00:13:24,080 --> 00:13:25,480 Speaker 1: the end zone. And even if he doesn't get in 255 00:13:25,520 --> 00:13:28,160 Speaker 1: the end zone, he's at least within one or two 256 00:13:28,240 --> 00:13:29,600 Speaker 1: yards of the end zone, which would have made a 257 00:13:29,600 --> 00:13:32,199 Speaker 1: fourth down attempt a lot You would add a lot 258 00:13:32,240 --> 00:13:37,000 Speaker 1: more options. But are we even talking about them not 259 00:13:37,240 --> 00:13:39,360 Speaker 1: going forward on fourth down kicking the field goal if 260 00:13:39,360 --> 00:13:42,920 Speaker 1: they don't flag King for the penalty, because they would 261 00:13:42,920 --> 00:13:45,000 Speaker 1: have gotten the ball back and they would have had 262 00:13:45,400 --> 00:13:49,760 Speaker 1: an okay amount of time ninety seconds with Aaron Rodgers 263 00:13:50,000 --> 00:13:54,760 Speaker 1: I don't know. I get both things. I personally would 264 00:13:54,760 --> 00:13:56,880 Speaker 1: have gone for it. I just I didn't like any 265 00:13:56,920 --> 00:14:00,880 Speaker 1: of the plays that developed on the first three for 266 00:14:00,920 --> 00:14:03,079 Speaker 1: the Packers, and I thought that put him in a 267 00:14:03,160 --> 00:14:06,040 Speaker 1: rough spot for fourth down. And that's a valid point 268 00:14:06,080 --> 00:14:08,400 Speaker 1: about the PI call. There's no doubt about it. What 269 00:14:08,480 --> 00:14:11,600 Speaker 1: if that wasn't indeed thrown and they had let that 270 00:14:11,640 --> 00:14:13,640 Speaker 1: go most of the game until the very end, so 271 00:14:13,679 --> 00:14:16,600 Speaker 1: there was some serious blowback on that, no doubt about it. 272 00:14:16,640 --> 00:14:19,600 Speaker 1: But if you're gonna go for the two point conversion 273 00:14:19,720 --> 00:14:22,640 Speaker 1: earlier in the fourth quarter and be that aggressive at 274 00:14:22,680 --> 00:14:24,560 Speaker 1: that moment when you didn't need to go for that 275 00:14:24,600 --> 00:14:27,760 Speaker 1: two point conversion, then why not go for it on 276 00:14:27,880 --> 00:14:32,560 Speaker 1: the fourth and goal at the Tampa eight, And you 277 00:14:32,560 --> 00:14:36,640 Speaker 1: know it's for the third down where he didn't run it. 278 00:14:37,400 --> 00:14:40,240 Speaker 1: That always looks so tantalizing. I agree in the replay, 279 00:14:40,440 --> 00:14:43,520 Speaker 1: But there was a dB who was basically at the 280 00:14:43,560 --> 00:14:46,160 Speaker 1: HASH on the goal line, and you know how quickly 281 00:14:46,200 --> 00:14:49,040 Speaker 1: those guys can come off a block and close that gap, 282 00:14:49,840 --> 00:14:53,080 Speaker 1: so I'm sure you know he was trying to assess him. 283 00:14:53,080 --> 00:14:56,640 Speaker 1: So what's interesting as well, is is you look at 284 00:14:57,800 --> 00:15:01,280 Speaker 1: the run game or lack there of the two teams 285 00:15:01,280 --> 00:15:03,320 Speaker 1: in the Super Bowl, right, And we had talked about 286 00:15:03,360 --> 00:15:05,440 Speaker 1: this a little bit earlier, and it refers to me 287 00:15:05,760 --> 00:15:08,680 Speaker 1: to Super Bowl forty three. Now, what most people don't remember, 288 00:15:08,680 --> 00:15:10,960 Speaker 1: and you do a good job of reminding everybody, is 289 00:15:10,960 --> 00:15:13,360 Speaker 1: I guess what. Edgar and James was a force. Unlike 290 00:15:13,360 --> 00:15:16,160 Speaker 1: the regular season two thousand and eight, he was effective. 291 00:15:16,160 --> 00:15:18,840 Speaker 1: The Cardinals did have a balanced offense in the postseason, 292 00:15:19,280 --> 00:15:21,400 Speaker 1: and they had a run game. But you look at 293 00:15:21,480 --> 00:15:24,280 Speaker 1: Kansas City and you look at Tampa and the lack 294 00:15:24,320 --> 00:15:26,320 Speaker 1: of a run game and their ability to get into 295 00:15:26,360 --> 00:15:28,720 Speaker 1: the big game now, and it does make you wonder 296 00:15:28,800 --> 00:15:31,800 Speaker 1: to Kyle stinkin point he's not here, he's even here 297 00:15:31,840 --> 00:15:35,560 Speaker 1: when he's not here, about how it is a passing league. 298 00:15:35,920 --> 00:15:40,320 Speaker 1: You know you can't help, but wonder if the Cardinals 299 00:15:40,480 --> 00:15:43,720 Speaker 1: view that as somewhat of a takeaway right now? Well, ay, 300 00:15:43,880 --> 00:15:46,840 Speaker 1: even the Bills don't even exactly have this great running 301 00:15:46,880 --> 00:15:49,040 Speaker 1: game either, and that was their first loss since the 302 00:15:49,120 --> 00:15:52,600 Speaker 1: Hell Murray. The Packers had a little bit better of 303 00:15:52,640 --> 00:15:54,480 Speaker 1: a run game, but at the same time they also 304 00:15:54,520 --> 00:15:58,440 Speaker 1: had an MVP quarterback who did some amazing things to 305 00:15:58,640 --> 00:16:02,560 Speaker 1: a All Pro wide receiver. I'm you know, I've been 306 00:16:02,560 --> 00:16:06,760 Speaker 1: on this board with Kyle the whole time, and I 307 00:16:06,920 --> 00:16:08,760 Speaker 1: totally see it that way. Do you need to be 308 00:16:08,840 --> 00:16:11,240 Speaker 1: able to run the ball sometimes? You absolutely do. Was 309 00:16:11,240 --> 00:16:13,440 Speaker 1: it important in two thousand and eight that Edrin James 310 00:16:13,800 --> 00:16:17,120 Speaker 1: was a little bit more effective running the ball? It 311 00:16:17,200 --> 00:16:20,840 Speaker 1: absolutely is. But what happened in the Super Bowl Edrin 312 00:16:20,920 --> 00:16:23,800 Speaker 1: James got shut down. They weren't aggressive enough, as you 313 00:16:23,800 --> 00:16:26,320 Speaker 1: were just talking about, and when the Cardinals came alive, 314 00:16:26,360 --> 00:16:29,040 Speaker 1: when they started throwing the ball over the park. And 315 00:16:29,160 --> 00:16:33,280 Speaker 1: I just feel like just with everything going on, you know, 316 00:16:33,760 --> 00:16:37,280 Speaker 1: notwithstanding some of the penalties that weren't called in the 317 00:16:37,280 --> 00:16:41,520 Speaker 1: Packers Bucks game, but it's it still behooves you to 318 00:16:41,680 --> 00:16:44,000 Speaker 1: throw the ball. You get just bigger chunks of yards. 319 00:16:44,320 --> 00:16:48,880 Speaker 1: It's just everything says throw the ball, and I get it. 320 00:16:49,200 --> 00:16:51,120 Speaker 1: You know, it's not the same game. We know where 321 00:16:51,120 --> 00:16:53,440 Speaker 1: it's evolving, where it has evolved at the same time, 322 00:16:53,480 --> 00:16:58,359 Speaker 1: Sean McDermott on Tuesday and is sort of season assessment 323 00:16:58,440 --> 00:17:01,400 Speaker 1: press conference said, and I WHOA. I can start off 324 00:17:01,400 --> 00:17:03,280 Speaker 1: by saying we've got to be able to run the 325 00:17:03,320 --> 00:17:06,760 Speaker 1: football better. End quote Sean McDermott about the Bills offense, 326 00:17:07,240 --> 00:17:10,280 Speaker 1: because keep in mind, Josh Allen was their leading rusher 327 00:17:10,359 --> 00:17:12,680 Speaker 1: in three playoff games. He had one hundred and forty 328 00:17:12,680 --> 00:17:15,159 Speaker 1: five yards rushing to lead the Bills of rushing. It 329 00:17:15,200 --> 00:17:18,399 Speaker 1: can't be that stark, it can't be that outside it. 330 00:17:18,800 --> 00:17:20,960 Speaker 1: And if you have Aaron Rodgers and he's thirty seven 331 00:17:21,000 --> 00:17:23,359 Speaker 1: and he's seen it all and he can dissect it 332 00:17:23,440 --> 00:17:27,080 Speaker 1: all instantly by looking at a defense, sure, go at 333 00:17:27,080 --> 00:17:30,280 Speaker 1: the passing game. If you have Patrick Mahomes and he's elite, 334 00:17:30,520 --> 00:17:33,639 Speaker 1: Tom Brady, I get it. But even if you have 335 00:17:33,680 --> 00:17:36,640 Speaker 1: a Pro Bowl quarterback like the Cardinals, you can't tell 336 00:17:36,640 --> 00:17:39,479 Speaker 1: me the Cardinals weren't a much better offense when they 337 00:17:39,480 --> 00:17:41,680 Speaker 1: had the thread of the run game and wait for it, 338 00:17:42,080 --> 00:17:45,760 Speaker 1: the threat of play action to set up the passing game. 339 00:17:46,240 --> 00:17:50,359 Speaker 1: So now, especially with Sean Coogler being officially named the 340 00:17:50,480 --> 00:17:53,119 Speaker 1: run game coordinator, what do you think where do you 341 00:17:53,160 --> 00:17:57,679 Speaker 1: think the Cardinals offense trends as we go into next season? 342 00:17:57,720 --> 00:18:00,200 Speaker 1: How similar or dissimilar will it look based and what 343 00:18:00,240 --> 00:18:03,280 Speaker 1: we've seen in Cliff Kingsbury's first two years. Well, there's 344 00:18:03,280 --> 00:18:04,960 Speaker 1: a couple of points I want to make here, Paul. 345 00:18:05,000 --> 00:18:07,440 Speaker 1: First of all, I would like to channel my inner 346 00:18:07,520 --> 00:18:14,199 Speaker 1: Kyle and make the point that multiple analytical studies have 347 00:18:14,320 --> 00:18:20,240 Speaker 1: shown that play action works whether your running game is 348 00:18:20,240 --> 00:18:23,400 Speaker 1: working or not. Play action works just on its own. 349 00:18:23,760 --> 00:18:25,760 Speaker 1: So you don't necessarily have to have a great running 350 00:18:25,800 --> 00:18:28,280 Speaker 1: game to have play action work. So I'm agreeing with you. 351 00:18:28,280 --> 00:18:31,159 Speaker 1: You need to have play action. You don't necessarily have 352 00:18:31,240 --> 00:18:34,119 Speaker 1: to have a really good running game to scared defenses 353 00:18:34,119 --> 00:18:37,679 Speaker 1: with it, because it's a natural instinct. I believe. Again, 354 00:18:37,720 --> 00:18:39,800 Speaker 1: those are the numbers. So I always found that kind 355 00:18:39,800 --> 00:18:42,879 Speaker 1: of interesting when it comes to Sean Coogler and what 356 00:18:42,920 --> 00:18:44,399 Speaker 1: it means. I mean, let's face to Paul, you and 357 00:18:44,440 --> 00:18:47,040 Speaker 1: I both know this. I mean, Cliff Kingsbury spent the 358 00:18:47,119 --> 00:18:51,480 Speaker 1: last two years here and there every time the run 359 00:18:51,520 --> 00:18:54,760 Speaker 1: game comes up, he's talking about how Sean Coogler is 360 00:18:54,800 --> 00:18:57,640 Speaker 1: the one kind of figuring that out and designing that. 361 00:18:57,720 --> 00:19:01,119 Speaker 1: So this feels a lot more like the title change 362 00:19:01,200 --> 00:19:05,040 Speaker 1: than anything that actually has changed internally. It feels like, Okay, 363 00:19:05,080 --> 00:19:06,879 Speaker 1: we're going to reward this guy with a title of 364 00:19:06,960 --> 00:19:09,800 Speaker 1: something he might have been doing already. At least that's 365 00:19:09,800 --> 00:19:14,040 Speaker 1: the vibe we've gotten from Cliff Kingsbury. So I do 366 00:19:14,160 --> 00:19:17,040 Speaker 1: think it gives you a little bit more in terms 367 00:19:17,080 --> 00:19:21,159 Speaker 1: of having sway at what you might be able to 368 00:19:21,200 --> 00:19:25,080 Speaker 1: do offensively. But I think it also will be interesting 369 00:19:25,080 --> 00:19:27,520 Speaker 1: to see how they build this personnel wise. We know 370 00:19:27,600 --> 00:19:29,520 Speaker 1: Chase Edmonds is going to be here, but we don't 371 00:19:29,560 --> 00:19:31,800 Speaker 1: know what the rest of that running back room might 372 00:19:31,800 --> 00:19:33,240 Speaker 1: look like. I mean, are you going to get a 373 00:19:33,240 --> 00:19:36,720 Speaker 1: bigger back, maybe a little bit of thunder and lightning 374 00:19:37,800 --> 00:19:40,240 Speaker 1: that you know was once upon a time the big 375 00:19:40,280 --> 00:19:41,879 Speaker 1: thing in the in the league, just so that you 376 00:19:41,920 --> 00:19:44,800 Speaker 1: have a little bit bigger of a back somewhere, hopefully 377 00:19:44,800 --> 00:19:48,520 Speaker 1: a younger, bigger back. But I think that's going to 378 00:19:48,600 --> 00:19:51,400 Speaker 1: be a fascinating way to see how that turns out, 379 00:19:51,440 --> 00:19:53,720 Speaker 1: because I think there's a lot of things you have 380 00:19:53,760 --> 00:19:56,199 Speaker 1: to address with his offense, and I will have to 381 00:19:56,200 --> 00:19:59,240 Speaker 1: see how much it is impacted by a title change 382 00:19:59,240 --> 00:20:02,680 Speaker 1: at this point. Yeah, and I agree with that. There's 383 00:20:02,720 --> 00:20:05,240 Speaker 1: the run game, and then there's the style of the 384 00:20:05,320 --> 00:20:08,199 Speaker 1: run game. How much impact wills Sean Kugler have on 385 00:20:08,240 --> 00:20:11,240 Speaker 1: the ladder. I'm gonna now channel my inner Roun willfully 386 00:20:11,240 --> 00:20:13,880 Speaker 1: and make the sound effect. There's the run game, right 387 00:20:13,920 --> 00:20:17,359 Speaker 1: and with the fist into your hands straight ahead, or 388 00:20:17,400 --> 00:20:20,480 Speaker 1: there's the lateral run game where you know the stretches, 389 00:20:20,560 --> 00:20:22,560 Speaker 1: the zone stretch or what have you. You're looking for 390 00:20:22,640 --> 00:20:24,879 Speaker 1: a lane and maybe at some point you might go north. 391 00:20:25,320 --> 00:20:27,080 Speaker 1: Or there's just we're gonna come off the ball, we're 392 00:20:27,080 --> 00:20:29,760 Speaker 1: gonna maul you, and we're gonna take three yards and 393 00:20:29,840 --> 00:20:31,320 Speaker 1: by the time we get the fourth quarter, guess what, 394 00:20:31,440 --> 00:20:33,639 Speaker 1: it'll have taken its toll and we're gonna have our 395 00:20:33,680 --> 00:20:36,119 Speaker 1: way and try and set the tone throughout the entirety 396 00:20:36,160 --> 00:20:39,600 Speaker 1: of the game. So I wonder if Sean Kugler with 397 00:20:39,760 --> 00:20:44,520 Speaker 1: the title, has more say in the style of run 398 00:20:44,600 --> 00:20:48,919 Speaker 1: game the Cardinals employ. Because you're right, and that makes sense. Okay, 399 00:20:48,960 --> 00:20:52,240 Speaker 1: play action, whether you have league's leading rusher or the 400 00:20:52,320 --> 00:20:54,359 Speaker 1: dead last rusher, you got to respect the run if 401 00:20:54,359 --> 00:20:57,119 Speaker 1: you're those linebackers, for example, on play action. At the 402 00:20:57,160 --> 00:20:59,840 Speaker 1: same time, if you're going empty, guess what, that makes 403 00:20:59,880 --> 00:21:04,120 Speaker 1: it real easy and there's zero threat. So will there 404 00:21:04,160 --> 00:21:09,080 Speaker 1: be changes in personnel groups in play design to always 405 00:21:09,160 --> 00:21:13,480 Speaker 1: present the threat or possibility of the run. That's to 406 00:21:13,560 --> 00:21:16,199 Speaker 1: me that that's what I wonder if that's where the 407 00:21:16,200 --> 00:21:20,600 Speaker 1: Cardinals offense might evolve. Perhaps I would love to see 408 00:21:20,640 --> 00:21:23,760 Speaker 1: that I would love to see some more play action 409 00:21:23,800 --> 00:21:26,520 Speaker 1: boots for Kyler Murray and the kind of some of 410 00:21:26,520 --> 00:21:28,480 Speaker 1: the stuff we've seen from the forty nine ers of RAMS. 411 00:21:28,480 --> 00:21:30,639 Speaker 1: I would love to see that. Whether we do, I 412 00:21:30,680 --> 00:21:33,400 Speaker 1: don't know how much is it going to be able 413 00:21:33,400 --> 00:21:36,560 Speaker 1: to change now that we basically know that there's not 414 00:21:36,680 --> 00:21:39,639 Speaker 1: going to be an off season again and they're not 415 00:21:39,680 --> 00:21:41,960 Speaker 1: going to be able to rep this until training camp again. 416 00:21:42,680 --> 00:21:44,680 Speaker 1: You know, it's just like, oh goodness, gracious, are you 417 00:21:44,800 --> 00:21:46,760 Speaker 1: going to how much you're gonna be able to change? 418 00:21:46,760 --> 00:21:49,520 Speaker 1: How much you're gonna be comfortable changing knowing you really 419 00:21:49,560 --> 00:21:54,040 Speaker 1: can't do that much. I don't know how that's going 420 00:21:54,080 --> 00:21:59,800 Speaker 1: to go, but ultimately that you're right, the threat has 421 00:21:59,840 --> 00:22:03,159 Speaker 1: to be there. There's again when you talk about some 422 00:22:03,240 --> 00:22:06,680 Speaker 1: of the analytical twitter, it's it's also the choices that 423 00:22:06,720 --> 00:22:09,280 Speaker 1: are being made. You know, how much if everybody gets 424 00:22:09,320 --> 00:22:11,199 Speaker 1: frustrated if you try to pass on first down and 425 00:22:11,240 --> 00:22:14,440 Speaker 1: it's incomplete. I understand that, but the numbers say if 426 00:22:14,440 --> 00:22:16,720 Speaker 1: you just run it on first down every time, you're 427 00:22:16,800 --> 00:22:19,960 Speaker 1: you're being an idiot because that's just not how you 428 00:22:20,000 --> 00:22:23,160 Speaker 1: win in this league. And so when we talk about 429 00:22:23,200 --> 00:22:26,479 Speaker 1: the run game, it's got to be a little bit more. 430 00:22:26,520 --> 00:22:28,760 Speaker 1: I mean, if you're playing and again, the Chiefs are 431 00:22:28,800 --> 00:22:30,560 Speaker 1: the Chiefs, they're the best team in the league right now. 432 00:22:30,560 --> 00:22:33,919 Speaker 1: So I'm stretching this out a little bit, but if 433 00:22:33,920 --> 00:22:37,960 Speaker 1: you're playing the Chiefs, you're not going to be able 434 00:22:37,960 --> 00:22:40,199 Speaker 1: to or or a high power team. You're You're not 435 00:22:40,359 --> 00:22:42,879 Speaker 1: You're just not going to be able to establish the 436 00:22:42,960 --> 00:22:45,240 Speaker 1: run and run a guy up in the middle for 437 00:22:45,320 --> 00:22:47,000 Speaker 1: a quarter and a half to try and wear them 438 00:22:47,000 --> 00:22:48,560 Speaker 1: down by the fourth quarter, because by the time you 439 00:22:48,560 --> 00:22:50,560 Speaker 1: get to the fourth quarter, you're gonna be down by 440 00:22:50,560 --> 00:22:53,360 Speaker 1: two touchdowns because they're going to be throwing it over 441 00:22:53,440 --> 00:22:55,920 Speaker 1: you and scoring and you're gonna be trying to play 442 00:22:55,960 --> 00:22:57,960 Speaker 1: the field position game. And that's just not where this 443 00:22:58,080 --> 00:23:03,040 Speaker 1: league is right So you talk about the virtual offseason, 444 00:23:03,080 --> 00:23:06,960 Speaker 1: you just referenced it. That's the expectation right now, isn't it. 445 00:23:07,119 --> 00:23:10,040 Speaker 1: That it's going to be very akin to twenty twenty 446 00:23:10,040 --> 00:23:12,919 Speaker 1: at least at this point. Yeah, that's what the Players 447 00:23:12,960 --> 00:23:15,480 Speaker 1: Association has told the players at this point is to 448 00:23:15,640 --> 00:23:19,680 Speaker 1: expect essentially virtual meetings all off season. And you're gonna 449 00:23:19,680 --> 00:23:22,199 Speaker 1: have right now, you're gonna have to train on your 450 00:23:22,240 --> 00:23:25,520 Speaker 1: own and there's gonna be a lot of the rules 451 00:23:25,560 --> 00:23:29,000 Speaker 1: in place at these facilities that we're in place in 452 00:23:29,040 --> 00:23:31,879 Speaker 1: the offseason, and you know, would I'd be completely shocked 453 00:23:31,920 --> 00:23:35,240 Speaker 1: if we go into training camp with all or many 454 00:23:35,280 --> 00:23:38,800 Speaker 1: of the same protocols and rules for COVID that we 455 00:23:38,880 --> 00:23:41,640 Speaker 1: did all this season. It will not shock me. Now, 456 00:23:41,680 --> 00:23:45,399 Speaker 1: things can change, and obviously with the new administration in 457 00:23:45,440 --> 00:23:50,800 Speaker 1: the White House, perhaps the vaccine gets distributed quicker than 458 00:23:50,840 --> 00:23:53,760 Speaker 1: people are seeing right now, and maybe we are in 459 00:23:53,800 --> 00:23:56,800 Speaker 1: a better place, but there's a crop ton of people 460 00:23:56,800 --> 00:24:00,639 Speaker 1: in this world that need the vaccine, and you know, 461 00:24:01,000 --> 00:24:03,840 Speaker 1: thinking that it can all get distributed by August is 462 00:24:04,320 --> 00:24:08,919 Speaker 1: probably not realistic. And if that's the case there, this 463 00:24:09,040 --> 00:24:12,159 Speaker 1: league is going to be super careful. Again, speaking of 464 00:24:12,200 --> 00:24:14,680 Speaker 1: not being realistic in the offseason, that's my segue into 465 00:24:14,680 --> 00:24:17,199 Speaker 1: the NFC West. Let's look at the quarterback situation right now. 466 00:24:17,240 --> 00:24:21,159 Speaker 1: We already touched on the RAMS. My understanding is that 467 00:24:21,320 --> 00:24:25,760 Speaker 1: Jared Goffs one hundred thirty four million dollar extension one 468 00:24:25,880 --> 00:24:30,919 Speaker 1: hundred ten million guaranteed doesn't even kick in until this year. So, 469 00:24:31,760 --> 00:24:35,120 Speaker 1: speaking of being realistic, you know, Sean McVay, unless need 470 00:24:35,200 --> 00:24:38,760 Speaker 1: can make whatever comments they want about whether Jared Goff 471 00:24:38,840 --> 00:24:42,000 Speaker 1: is going to be the quarterback of the future. He 472 00:24:42,119 --> 00:24:44,960 Speaker 1: is quote right now quote at the moment. Each one 473 00:24:44,960 --> 00:24:48,800 Speaker 1: has made various comments about that. But Darren, realistically, in 474 00:24:48,880 --> 00:24:51,679 Speaker 1: terms of being feasible, there's no way the Rams are 475 00:24:51,680 --> 00:24:54,440 Speaker 1: going to be able to do anything beyond Jared Goff, 476 00:24:54,560 --> 00:24:56,359 Speaker 1: especially in an environment where the salary cap is going 477 00:24:56,400 --> 00:25:01,639 Speaker 1: to be reduced significantly. No. And what's super scary about 478 00:25:01,640 --> 00:25:05,000 Speaker 1: this if you're the Rams, is what exactly do you 479 00:25:05,119 --> 00:25:09,520 Speaker 1: do with a for instance, John Wafford, who apparently Sean 480 00:25:09,600 --> 00:25:13,399 Speaker 1: McVay likes and looked pretty decent. Now I know he 481 00:25:13,480 --> 00:25:16,680 Speaker 1: played because Jared Goff got hurt, But do you kill 482 00:25:16,720 --> 00:25:19,720 Speaker 1: that off altogether or did you see enough where you're 483 00:25:19,720 --> 00:25:21,959 Speaker 1: thinking I might want to watch them a little bit, 484 00:25:21,960 --> 00:25:26,000 Speaker 1: because I don't know what would be worse, Paul. What 485 00:25:26,080 --> 00:25:31,159 Speaker 1: would be worse is it taking a bath on getting 486 00:25:31,240 --> 00:25:34,239 Speaker 1: rid of a quarterback who you have so much invested in, 487 00:25:34,280 --> 00:25:36,280 Speaker 1: which I don't think is going to happen, but for 488 00:25:36,440 --> 00:25:40,320 Speaker 1: argument's sake, getting rid of him, or having another guy 489 00:25:40,320 --> 00:25:42,879 Speaker 1: in the roster who half the team or more is 490 00:25:42,920 --> 00:25:44,880 Speaker 1: looking at going I think he's better than the guy 491 00:25:44,880 --> 00:25:47,000 Speaker 1: who's starting and getting paid a crap ton of money, 492 00:25:47,160 --> 00:25:49,560 Speaker 1: and we could be winning more games or doing more 493 00:25:49,640 --> 00:25:52,159 Speaker 1: consistently if he was on the field. I mean, wouldn't 494 00:25:52,160 --> 00:25:54,400 Speaker 1: that fester a little bit too? I mean, it's it's 495 00:25:54,480 --> 00:25:56,879 Speaker 1: not a good situation. And it's funny with all this 496 00:25:56,920 --> 00:26:00,040 Speaker 1: talk of all these quarterbacks and possibly moving and the 497 00:26:00,040 --> 00:26:03,320 Speaker 1: contracts they have, is we're talking about doing it an 498 00:26:03,359 --> 00:26:08,440 Speaker 1: off season where there's very few potential moving spots because 499 00:26:09,240 --> 00:26:11,520 Speaker 1: teams aren't going to have any cap space. I mean 500 00:26:11,560 --> 00:26:14,399 Speaker 1: I looked at the cap numbers the other day and 501 00:26:14,600 --> 00:26:16,959 Speaker 1: it was, you know, there a third of the of 502 00:26:17,000 --> 00:26:21,320 Speaker 1: the league is underwater in terms of their cap going 503 00:26:21,359 --> 00:26:24,480 Speaker 1: into the offseason. And that's not even with you know, 504 00:26:24,600 --> 00:26:27,919 Speaker 1: fifty one players on the roster for the top fifty 505 00:26:27,960 --> 00:26:30,640 Speaker 1: one cap. I mean, they got to make cuts without 506 00:26:30,680 --> 00:26:33,840 Speaker 1: having anywhere close to ninety players. So I don't know 507 00:26:33,840 --> 00:26:35,879 Speaker 1: how they're going to do it. Less less neat is 508 00:26:35,920 --> 00:26:38,760 Speaker 1: made a call to the Lions unless the LA Rams 509 00:26:38,760 --> 00:26:41,560 Speaker 1: have called the Lions, and there might be a couple 510 00:26:41,600 --> 00:26:45,000 Speaker 1: of big names in big contracts just straight up traded 511 00:26:45,000 --> 00:26:47,400 Speaker 1: for each other, with the Lions saying they're gonna part 512 00:26:47,400 --> 00:26:51,719 Speaker 1: ways it's mutual with Matthew Stafford unless somehow they strike 513 00:26:51,800 --> 00:26:53,800 Speaker 1: a deal in that regard. That's about the only way 514 00:26:53,840 --> 00:26:56,600 Speaker 1: I can see the Rams really changing the franchise quarterback. Yeah. 515 00:26:56,640 --> 00:26:58,720 Speaker 1: I mean, like when you take that example, for instance, 516 00:26:58,760 --> 00:27:01,800 Speaker 1: if you're if you're the if you're the Lions, what's 517 00:27:01,840 --> 00:27:05,360 Speaker 1: the upside of taking Jared Goff? You inherit actually a 518 00:27:05,400 --> 00:27:09,920 Speaker 1: bigger contract than what Matthew Stafford has, and you can 519 00:27:09,960 --> 00:27:13,040 Speaker 1: make an easy argument that Matthew Stafford is a better quarterback, 520 00:27:13,080 --> 00:27:17,240 Speaker 1: So what's the There is no upside there. It reminds 521 00:27:17,280 --> 00:27:20,080 Speaker 1: me on a much greater scale of where the Cardinals 522 00:27:20,119 --> 00:27:22,440 Speaker 1: were last year with David Johnson, and they just lucked 523 00:27:22,480 --> 00:27:26,840 Speaker 1: into the best trade ever in Cardinals history to be 524 00:27:26,880 --> 00:27:29,560 Speaker 1: able to do what they did with the David Johnson deal. 525 00:27:29,600 --> 00:27:32,160 Speaker 1: But I look at the stuff. I mean, even Deshaun Watson. 526 00:27:32,160 --> 00:27:34,119 Speaker 1: I mean, what do you if you're the Texans and 527 00:27:34,200 --> 00:27:37,160 Speaker 1: you want to move him, you know, in terms of 528 00:27:37,200 --> 00:27:40,200 Speaker 1: absorbing dead space or all that stuff. I mean, these 529 00:27:40,200 --> 00:27:43,760 Speaker 1: are all things you've got to somehow juggle. When you 530 00:27:43,800 --> 00:27:45,399 Speaker 1: looked at the did you look at the Niners? You 531 00:27:45,400 --> 00:27:46,639 Speaker 1: mentioned you look at a lot of the teams in 532 00:27:46,680 --> 00:27:49,879 Speaker 1: their cap space, And yeah, I did right, because the 533 00:27:50,160 --> 00:27:53,280 Speaker 1: word in Jimmy Garoppolo is that they can get out 534 00:27:53,280 --> 00:27:55,520 Speaker 1: from under that contract with less than a four million 535 00:27:55,520 --> 00:27:58,320 Speaker 1: dollar cap hit. But what does the rest of the 536 00:27:58,320 --> 00:28:00,879 Speaker 1: their cap look like? Do they the ability to add 537 00:28:00,960 --> 00:28:05,160 Speaker 1: if they just slap their cap with Jimmy Garoppolo Right 538 00:28:05,200 --> 00:28:08,720 Speaker 1: now is they have about nine million in cap space, 539 00:28:08,800 --> 00:28:16,080 Speaker 1: which obviously isn't enough for some giant contract. But you know, 540 00:28:16,160 --> 00:28:18,920 Speaker 1: if you get rid of Jimmy Garoppolo, if you if 541 00:28:18,920 --> 00:28:22,240 Speaker 1: you say we're moving on and you say, okay, instead 542 00:28:22,280 --> 00:28:28,080 Speaker 1: of taking a twenty seven almost twenty seven million dollar 543 00:28:28,119 --> 00:28:31,080 Speaker 1: cap hit this season, you're you're only dealing with a 544 00:28:31,119 --> 00:28:34,440 Speaker 1: four million dollar cap hit. Obviously that adds a significant 545 00:28:34,480 --> 00:28:37,440 Speaker 1: amount of cap space. So could they do that, yes, 546 00:28:37,520 --> 00:28:41,040 Speaker 1: although you're in a position where you would have to 547 00:28:41,040 --> 00:28:44,000 Speaker 1: get rid of Jimmy Garoppolo before the trade is official. 548 00:28:44,280 --> 00:28:48,200 Speaker 1: And I don't know when Jimmy Garoppolo's contract officially kicks in, like, 549 00:28:48,880 --> 00:28:50,240 Speaker 1: is it got it? Do they have to make a 550 00:28:50,280 --> 00:28:52,880 Speaker 1: move by you know, the third day of the year 551 00:28:52,960 --> 00:28:55,120 Speaker 1: or whatever it is. The other problem with forty nine 552 00:28:55,160 --> 00:28:58,720 Speaker 1: ers have is there's way there's other teams that could 553 00:28:58,840 --> 00:29:03,120 Speaker 1: use to show on Watson or Matthew Stafford that quite 554 00:29:03,120 --> 00:29:06,720 Speaker 1: frankly looked like they could offer a better package in 555 00:29:06,760 --> 00:29:10,440 Speaker 1: a trade than the forty nine ers can. So I 556 00:29:10,520 --> 00:29:13,480 Speaker 1: don't know. I don't know if they're going to be 557 00:29:13,520 --> 00:29:16,480 Speaker 1: the first team people look at. That doesn't mean they 558 00:29:16,480 --> 00:29:20,120 Speaker 1: wouldn't offer the best package or whatever happens, But I 559 00:29:20,120 --> 00:29:23,800 Speaker 1: don't see them getting Deshaun Watson over another team. Maybe 560 00:29:23,840 --> 00:29:27,320 Speaker 1: Matthew Stafford, but I'm not one hundred percent sure. Matthew 561 00:29:27,360 --> 00:29:30,760 Speaker 1: Stafford at this point is that much better than Jimmy Garoppolo. 562 00:29:30,920 --> 00:29:34,840 Speaker 1: What about Matt Ryan. Matt Ryan, former Kyle Shanahan guy 563 00:29:35,280 --> 00:29:39,200 Speaker 1: in Atlanta obviously sort of be a bridge quarterback at 564 00:29:39,240 --> 00:29:43,080 Speaker 1: this point. Matt Ryan going to the Niners, I mean, 565 00:29:43,160 --> 00:29:45,920 Speaker 1: I've heard that before, but again, I guess it would 566 00:29:45,920 --> 00:29:49,080 Speaker 1: depend on, you know, where the Falcons are in terms 567 00:29:49,160 --> 00:29:51,240 Speaker 1: of what they want to do next year, who they're 568 00:29:51,240 --> 00:29:55,240 Speaker 1: going to draft, if they're in a position to get 569 00:29:55,280 --> 00:29:57,000 Speaker 1: a quarterback. I'm not even sure off the top of 570 00:29:57,000 --> 00:29:59,080 Speaker 1: my head where the Falcons are drafting, But are they 571 00:29:59,080 --> 00:30:00,640 Speaker 1: going to be in a position to get one of 572 00:30:00,640 --> 00:30:03,880 Speaker 1: the top quarterbacks? I mean, as we know, Paul, if 573 00:30:03,880 --> 00:30:07,400 Speaker 1: you're not getting the first or even second guy, then 574 00:30:07,600 --> 00:30:10,520 Speaker 1: you're you're starting to walk out on a plank of Okay, 575 00:30:10,640 --> 00:30:13,880 Speaker 1: is this guy gonna pan I mean they're all, is 576 00:30:13,920 --> 00:30:15,440 Speaker 1: this guy gonna pan out? But I mean look at 577 00:30:15,440 --> 00:30:20,360 Speaker 1: the Dolphins. The Dolphins just got tah and now everybody's thinking, wow, 578 00:30:20,360 --> 00:30:22,400 Speaker 1: if you deal two first round picks and two in 579 00:30:22,480 --> 00:30:24,479 Speaker 1: a Houston, you can get to Shaun Watson, which if 580 00:30:24,480 --> 00:30:26,800 Speaker 1: I'm the Dolphins, I do in a heartbeat. But what 581 00:30:26,960 --> 00:30:29,560 Speaker 1: happened to two of being the franchise? You know, you 582 00:30:29,640 --> 00:30:33,479 Speaker 1: just don't know Deshaun Watson's going to the Jets obviously anyway, 583 00:30:33,520 --> 00:30:36,440 Speaker 1: So you can just bet that's uh, you know. According 584 00:30:36,440 --> 00:30:39,280 Speaker 1: to the New York Post, let me throw this out, 585 00:30:39,320 --> 00:30:41,440 Speaker 1: what about the guy who said right after the NFC 586 00:30:41,560 --> 00:30:44,760 Speaker 1: Championship game, and I quote a lot of guys futures 587 00:30:44,760 --> 00:30:49,200 Speaker 1: are uncertain? Myself included what about Aaron Rodgers going back 588 00:30:49,240 --> 00:30:52,360 Speaker 1: home to the NorCal and his beloved forty nine ers? 589 00:30:52,600 --> 00:30:55,000 Speaker 1: Can we now rule that out? After a hot forty 590 00:30:55,040 --> 00:30:57,960 Speaker 1: eight hours when Aaron Rodgers went on the Pat McAfee 591 00:30:58,000 --> 00:31:01,200 Speaker 1: show and said, quote, I don't think there's any reason 592 00:31:01,840 --> 00:31:05,840 Speaker 1: I won't be back, meaning cooler heads seemingly have prevailed 593 00:31:06,200 --> 00:31:09,040 Speaker 1: in Green Bay, where my favorite quote was the CEO 594 00:31:09,200 --> 00:31:12,040 Speaker 1: Mark Murphy on local Green Bay radio who said Tuesday 595 00:31:12,120 --> 00:31:15,920 Speaker 1: morning quote, We're not idiots, Aaron Rodgers will be back. 596 00:31:16,080 --> 00:31:19,360 Speaker 1: He's our leader end quote. I mean, you know, I 597 00:31:19,440 --> 00:31:22,520 Speaker 1: didn't see his postgame press conference Aaron Rodgers, and I 598 00:31:22,600 --> 00:31:24,960 Speaker 1: just was kind of on Twitter and I saw a 599 00:31:25,080 --> 00:31:27,480 Speaker 1: national writer makes some kind of comment about maybe he 600 00:31:27,520 --> 00:31:29,080 Speaker 1: could end up in the forty nine ers where he 601 00:31:29,080 --> 00:31:31,680 Speaker 1: should have gone in two thousand and seven in the draft, 602 00:31:32,360 --> 00:31:36,120 Speaker 1: and I'm like, what, what? What did? What just happened? Here? 603 00:31:36,160 --> 00:31:38,560 Speaker 1: What we're talking about Aaron Rodgers leaving the Packers. He 604 00:31:39,440 --> 00:31:43,800 Speaker 1: was He's MVP, they just lost a close NFC championship 605 00:31:43,840 --> 00:31:49,120 Speaker 1: game and everything was relatively good, And well, Darren, you 606 00:31:49,160 --> 00:31:52,320 Speaker 1: gotta go with Jordan Love, who wasn't even second string. 607 00:31:52,600 --> 00:31:55,200 Speaker 1: He was actually third string on the Packers deep charts, 608 00:31:55,200 --> 00:31:56,920 Speaker 1: So that would make all the sense in the world. Yeah, 609 00:31:56,920 --> 00:31:58,920 Speaker 1: I just pulled the ripcord on Aaron Rodgers and go 610 00:31:58,960 --> 00:32:00,760 Speaker 1: with the rookie US never take in a regular season 611 00:32:00,840 --> 00:32:04,400 Speaker 1: Snappen is completely unproven. I know that there are people 612 00:32:04,440 --> 00:32:07,520 Speaker 1: out there who love some NFL offseason drama like you 613 00:32:07,600 --> 00:32:09,680 Speaker 1: have in the NBA, and you'd love for these players 614 00:32:09,720 --> 00:32:11,880 Speaker 1: to kind of push their way out and do these things. 615 00:32:12,520 --> 00:32:14,920 Speaker 1: I don't think it works quite like that in the NFL. 616 00:32:15,240 --> 00:32:19,240 Speaker 1: And there's a lot fewer games and a lot more 617 00:32:19,320 --> 00:32:22,320 Speaker 1: paychecks for every game you miss. And I just with 618 00:32:22,480 --> 00:32:25,040 Speaker 1: the guys were talking about, whether it's Aaron Rodgers or 619 00:32:25,080 --> 00:32:27,120 Speaker 1: Deshaun Watson, I don't see them the kind of guys 620 00:32:27,120 --> 00:32:28,680 Speaker 1: that are just gonna be like, well, I'm just gonna 621 00:32:28,720 --> 00:32:31,480 Speaker 1: sit out a season. Then. I don't know if that's 622 00:32:31,520 --> 00:32:36,000 Speaker 1: the most intelligent thing in the world. And I just don't. 623 00:32:36,360 --> 00:32:38,080 Speaker 1: I just don't see it happening. You know, I'm not 624 00:32:38,160 --> 00:32:41,320 Speaker 1: letting I mean the whole If you had to pick 625 00:32:41,440 --> 00:32:43,760 Speaker 1: one thing, Paul, of what teams are trying to do 626 00:32:43,800 --> 00:32:46,880 Speaker 1: in this league, it's trying to find that guy. If 627 00:32:46,920 --> 00:32:50,280 Speaker 1: you're the Texans, the one thing you're trying to get 628 00:32:50,360 --> 00:32:53,400 Speaker 1: over anything else, even over a good head coach is 629 00:32:53,720 --> 00:32:56,880 Speaker 1: a franchise quarterback who's proven it, who's like twenty five 630 00:32:56,960 --> 00:32:59,560 Speaker 1: years old. How do you how do you part with 631 00:32:59,640 --> 00:33:03,080 Speaker 1: that guy? I don't get it. The four the top 632 00:33:03,160 --> 00:33:06,760 Speaker 1: five highest graded quarterbacks scoring a Pro Football Focus played 633 00:33:06,760 --> 00:33:09,800 Speaker 1: in the NFC and AFC Championship games. The one outsider 634 00:33:10,120 --> 00:33:13,400 Speaker 1: DeShawn Watson. So leave it to the Texans who have 635 00:33:13,520 --> 00:33:17,120 Speaker 1: to part ways with that guy. You're right, that's the 636 00:33:17,200 --> 00:33:20,480 Speaker 1: only thing they have left in Houston for the Texans 637 00:33:21,520 --> 00:33:23,760 Speaker 1: at this point. Just to follow up, Paul and I 638 00:33:23,800 --> 00:33:25,520 Speaker 1: want to give profits to Holmes for looking it up 639 00:33:25,520 --> 00:33:28,440 Speaker 1: for us. The Falcons are picking four, so they should 640 00:33:28,440 --> 00:33:32,000 Speaker 1: be in a position to get a quarterback depending on 641 00:33:32,160 --> 00:33:34,280 Speaker 1: what kind of wheeling and dealing goes on up there 642 00:33:34,320 --> 00:33:38,880 Speaker 1: at the top. But you know, you never know, four 643 00:33:38,960 --> 00:33:40,800 Speaker 1: might not be it. There's there's some years were the 644 00:33:40,840 --> 00:33:44,160 Speaker 1: first four picks or quarterbacks depending on who's there and uh, 645 00:33:44,360 --> 00:33:46,240 Speaker 1: you know, and how it all goes. We know Trevor 646 00:33:46,320 --> 00:33:48,880 Speaker 1: Lawrence is going to go first to the Jaguars. Do 647 00:33:48,920 --> 00:33:51,680 Speaker 1: you like justin fields? Do you like? Is it Zach 648 00:33:51,760 --> 00:33:55,640 Speaker 1: Wilson from BYU Wilson? You know? Right now? The Jets 649 00:33:56,360 --> 00:34:01,160 Speaker 1: with a second pick, you know, are they keeping Donald? 650 00:34:01,240 --> 00:34:03,040 Speaker 1: Do they go in a different direction to the Jets 651 00:34:03,080 --> 00:34:07,440 Speaker 1: get Watson and then that Texans are picking second, and 652 00:34:07,560 --> 00:34:09,960 Speaker 1: do they take Darnald back to be their quarterback or 653 00:34:10,000 --> 00:34:12,680 Speaker 1: they drafted guy. I mean, there's just so many moving pieces. 654 00:34:12,719 --> 00:34:15,279 Speaker 1: It's so hard to know. I mean, if you would 655 00:34:15,320 --> 00:34:17,319 Speaker 1: have asked us at this point last year if the 656 00:34:17,360 --> 00:34:18,960 Speaker 1: Cardinals were going to spend a first round pick on 657 00:34:19,000 --> 00:34:20,920 Speaker 1: a wide receiver, I would have been like, there's a 658 00:34:21,000 --> 00:34:24,160 Speaker 1: very good chance of that. Then they traded for DeAndre Hopkins, 659 00:34:24,160 --> 00:34:27,400 Speaker 1: and yeah, that totally what up doing. That's true. The 660 00:34:27,719 --> 00:34:32,560 Speaker 1: only quarterback headline and that involso involves Houston. That was 661 00:34:32,600 --> 00:34:36,600 Speaker 1: a bigger eye opener was former Cardinals quarterback Josh McCown 662 00:34:36,680 --> 00:34:39,560 Speaker 1: getting a head coaching interview with the Texans. Was that 663 00:34:39,640 --> 00:34:42,480 Speaker 1: a rumor? Was that reality? No, the Texans actually have 664 00:34:42,600 --> 00:34:46,279 Speaker 1: been updating all their interviews and he got one. And 665 00:34:46,360 --> 00:34:48,960 Speaker 1: I love Josh, And we've talked about this a few times. 666 00:34:49,600 --> 00:34:51,960 Speaker 1: People that have listened to me or have watched read 667 00:34:52,000 --> 00:34:54,239 Speaker 1: my stuff over the years. Everybody knows how much I 668 00:34:54,280 --> 00:34:57,600 Speaker 1: love Josh McCown. He shouldn't be a head coach right now. 669 00:34:57,680 --> 00:35:01,040 Speaker 1: And besides that, it's I agree that it's not a 670 00:35:01,080 --> 00:35:05,560 Speaker 1: great look for a league that is struggling with its 671 00:35:05,600 --> 00:35:09,640 Speaker 1: minority hiring when it comes to head coaches and knowing 672 00:35:09,680 --> 00:35:12,359 Speaker 1: a guy like for instance, Eric b Enemy is out 673 00:35:12,400 --> 00:35:15,239 Speaker 1: there and might not even get a head coaching job 674 00:35:15,280 --> 00:35:19,120 Speaker 1: again this time, even with eight openings. Now, I don't 675 00:35:19,160 --> 00:35:22,040 Speaker 1: think Josh McCown is a realistic guy in Houston, and 676 00:35:22,200 --> 00:35:24,279 Speaker 1: from all the reports I've seen, it seems to be 677 00:35:24,320 --> 00:35:29,080 Speaker 1: trending towards a minority hire there, so we'll see where 678 00:35:29,080 --> 00:35:32,960 Speaker 1: that goes. So obviously it wouldn't be Josh. But you 679 00:35:32,960 --> 00:35:35,120 Speaker 1: know again, I think Josh McCown will make a great 680 00:35:35,160 --> 00:35:38,200 Speaker 1: coach in this league someday, but not right now. I mean, 681 00:35:38,280 --> 00:35:42,200 Speaker 1: they fired Bill O'Brien mid season and they're the last 682 00:35:42,239 --> 00:35:46,319 Speaker 1: team standing needing a head coach right now, the Houston Texans. 683 00:35:46,360 --> 00:35:49,560 Speaker 1: Something is broken in their process, it would seem it 684 00:35:49,560 --> 00:35:54,799 Speaker 1: would appear, and the process is also alienated their franchise quarterbacks, 685 00:35:54,840 --> 00:35:58,320 Speaker 1: So it could have been a bigger disaster their continued 686 00:35:58,400 --> 00:36:02,000 Speaker 1: search or a head coach coach the Houston Texans. By 687 00:36:02,000 --> 00:36:03,920 Speaker 1: the way, I was remiss and I'm mentioning. Speaking of 688 00:36:03,960 --> 00:36:07,160 Speaker 1: coaching changes, Cardinals made it official tell us about the 689 00:36:07,239 --> 00:36:11,680 Speaker 1: change with the receivers coach. Oh they hired Sean Jefferson. 690 00:36:11,800 --> 00:36:13,560 Speaker 1: It was out there for a while. They had moved 691 00:36:13,560 --> 00:36:17,160 Speaker 1: on from David Rye, and then they hired Sean Jefferson, 692 00:36:17,160 --> 00:36:18,880 Speaker 1: who the last couple of years has been the wide 693 00:36:18,880 --> 00:36:22,000 Speaker 1: receivers coach and the assistant head coach in New York 694 00:36:22,000 --> 00:36:23,920 Speaker 1: with the Jets. And obviously the Jets didn't have a 695 00:36:23,920 --> 00:36:28,160 Speaker 1: lot of success, but they did when they're healthy, had 696 00:36:28,160 --> 00:36:33,120 Speaker 1: a decent receiving corps. And this is a guy who's 697 00:36:33,160 --> 00:36:37,279 Speaker 1: been in the league for coaching for thirteen years now, 698 00:36:37,320 --> 00:36:39,600 Speaker 1: something like that, twelve or thirteen years, and he played 699 00:36:39,640 --> 00:36:43,839 Speaker 1: for nine. He's well regarded around the league. He's done 700 00:36:43,840 --> 00:36:46,680 Speaker 1: a fairly good job. And we know Paul and we've 701 00:36:46,680 --> 00:36:49,560 Speaker 1: talked about this, I think every podcast since the end 702 00:36:49,600 --> 00:36:52,719 Speaker 1: of the season, and we've talked about Rye moving on. 703 00:36:53,280 --> 00:36:56,760 Speaker 1: They want more out of their receivers, and I think, 704 00:36:57,000 --> 00:36:59,080 Speaker 1: you know, this is a guy they're hoping can work 705 00:36:59,120 --> 00:37:02,320 Speaker 1: a little magic with Andy Isabella and Keishawn Johnson and 706 00:37:02,960 --> 00:37:05,880 Speaker 1: maybe even a little bit with Christian Kirk and uh. 707 00:37:06,000 --> 00:37:08,080 Speaker 1: And we'll see what happens if they bring in a guy, 708 00:37:08,640 --> 00:37:12,840 Speaker 1: especially if it's a younger player, but he's uh, he'll 709 00:37:12,840 --> 00:37:15,719 Speaker 1: be he'll be good. I think. I mean, I like 710 00:37:15,840 --> 00:37:21,000 Speaker 1: David Rye. Unfortunately, you're gonna go by what the results were, 711 00:37:21,080 --> 00:37:24,640 Speaker 1: and DeAndre Hopkins was DeAndre Hopkins. Lara Fitzgerald was Lara Fitzgerald. 712 00:37:24,640 --> 00:37:25,960 Speaker 1: But they didn't get enough out of the rest of 713 00:37:26,000 --> 00:37:29,120 Speaker 1: the receivers, and that's that was a problem. And I 714 00:37:29,120 --> 00:37:31,960 Speaker 1: can understand why they did what they did, and so 715 00:37:32,000 --> 00:37:34,680 Speaker 1: we'll see where this goes. And then the other promotion 716 00:37:34,760 --> 00:37:39,640 Speaker 1: also was Cam Turner going to quarterbacks coach, which is 717 00:37:39,640 --> 00:37:42,080 Speaker 1: great for Cam. He's the guy everybody sees in the 718 00:37:42,080 --> 00:37:44,359 Speaker 1: green hat on the sideline so that Kyler can pick 719 00:37:44,440 --> 00:37:48,399 Speaker 1: him up quicker to see this signals and stuff. But um, 720 00:37:49,200 --> 00:37:51,360 Speaker 1: you know, Cam is a guy who's worked very closely 721 00:37:51,480 --> 00:37:54,680 Speaker 1: with Kyler and with Cliff, and I think this was 722 00:37:54,719 --> 00:37:59,200 Speaker 1: an inevitable promotion. I'd love to know the hours Cam 723 00:37:59,239 --> 00:38:01,640 Speaker 1: Turner put in this year. There were times I was 724 00:38:01,680 --> 00:38:03,880 Speaker 1: doing morning radio on the road and I'd get up 725 00:38:04,360 --> 00:38:07,560 Speaker 1: and I'd be in that room and he would already 726 00:38:07,600 --> 00:38:09,800 Speaker 1: be at four or five in the morning. He'd be 727 00:38:09,880 --> 00:38:13,000 Speaker 1: in there crunching film and working analytics or whatever he 728 00:38:13,080 --> 00:38:16,080 Speaker 1: was doing on that laptop and the video player. At 729 00:38:16,120 --> 00:38:19,440 Speaker 1: the hours that some of those guys put in just 730 00:38:19,680 --> 00:38:23,799 Speaker 1: utterly astounding. So now what about the other do you 731 00:38:23,840 --> 00:38:28,480 Speaker 1: see the Cardinals filling in passing game coordinator. Do you 732 00:38:28,680 --> 00:38:31,800 Speaker 1: think there is another addition to the offensive coaching staff, 733 00:38:31,840 --> 00:38:34,520 Speaker 1: and then subsequently, are there any changes to the defensive 734 00:38:34,560 --> 00:38:38,680 Speaker 1: side of the ball that you're staying tune for? You 735 00:38:38,719 --> 00:38:43,120 Speaker 1: know what, I think, I think that's a good question. 736 00:38:44,640 --> 00:38:46,360 Speaker 1: I don't know. I don't know. If I know, a 737 00:38:46,400 --> 00:38:48,200 Speaker 1: lot of fans are asking, Okay, are they going to 738 00:38:48,280 --> 00:38:50,880 Speaker 1: get an offensive coordinator. They're not going to get an 739 00:38:50,880 --> 00:38:56,440 Speaker 1: offensive coordinator per se. I think Kogler being promoted to 740 00:38:56,680 --> 00:38:58,839 Speaker 1: run game coordinator, and you already have a head coach 741 00:38:58,840 --> 00:39:01,600 Speaker 1: who's very much into the passing game. I think that's 742 00:39:01,640 --> 00:39:04,160 Speaker 1: probably where you're going to end up. I know that 743 00:39:04,200 --> 00:39:07,759 Speaker 1: technically Tom Clements was called passing game coordinator, but I 744 00:39:07,800 --> 00:39:10,880 Speaker 1: think in a lot of ways Cliff was doing that anyways, 745 00:39:11,719 --> 00:39:13,279 Speaker 1: I don't know if they're going to add another body. 746 00:39:13,320 --> 00:39:16,880 Speaker 1: Obviously they have some room to put somebody else on staff, 747 00:39:16,880 --> 00:39:19,120 Speaker 1: but they have a couple of young coaches. They already 748 00:39:20,080 --> 00:39:24,319 Speaker 1: have a couple of guys in the quarterback room. Maybe 749 00:39:24,360 --> 00:39:27,120 Speaker 1: they readjust some stuff. It's just unfortunately, Paul, it's so 750 00:39:27,160 --> 00:39:29,719 Speaker 1: hard to know. I mean, you know, Cliff after the 751 00:39:29,760 --> 00:39:32,360 Speaker 1: season was very vague on what they might do with coaches, 752 00:39:32,400 --> 00:39:34,279 Speaker 1: and I don't know when the next time we might 753 00:39:34,320 --> 00:39:38,439 Speaker 1: get a chance to ask him, but as of right now, 754 00:39:38,480 --> 00:39:41,480 Speaker 1: those are the only coaching changes I'm anticipating. That doesn't 755 00:39:41,520 --> 00:39:45,120 Speaker 1: mean they won't happen, but you're getting to that point 756 00:39:45,120 --> 00:39:47,040 Speaker 1: in the offseason where if something was going to happen, 757 00:39:47,080 --> 00:39:49,120 Speaker 1: you would have thought it would have happened by now well, 758 00:39:49,160 --> 00:39:52,279 Speaker 1: and you don't know what coaching moves sometimes are necessitated. 759 00:39:52,520 --> 00:39:54,120 Speaker 1: There are reports that David Ry is going to be 760 00:39:54,160 --> 00:39:58,280 Speaker 1: the offensive coordinator at Vanderbilt, so you have no idea. 761 00:39:58,680 --> 00:40:01,520 Speaker 1: I will come full circle on Cardinals Underground, brought to 762 00:40:01,520 --> 00:40:03,600 Speaker 1: you by a Pacific Office automation prop partner in the 763 00:40:03,640 --> 00:40:07,440 Speaker 1: Arizona Cardinals, and we can't we can't hit the exit 764 00:40:07,480 --> 00:40:10,800 Speaker 1: button here, Darren without talking about speaking of assistant coaches 765 00:40:11,000 --> 00:40:15,040 Speaker 1: and former Cardinals assistants and now coordinators for Bruce Arians, 766 00:40:15,040 --> 00:40:19,360 Speaker 1: whether it's Todd Bowles Byron Left, which Harold Goodwin assistant 767 00:40:19,400 --> 00:40:23,040 Speaker 1: head coach, run game coordinator. You know, Keith Armstrong who 768 00:40:23,120 --> 00:40:26,680 Speaker 1: who was a long time guy for BA, former Temple 769 00:40:26,719 --> 00:40:29,560 Speaker 1: player just like Todd Bowles, but interviewed interviews for the 770 00:40:29,600 --> 00:40:32,799 Speaker 1: Cardinals head coaching job in twenty eighteen, Keith Armstrong did, 771 00:40:33,200 --> 00:40:34,880 Speaker 1: I did not know that, So there you go. I 772 00:40:34,920 --> 00:40:37,279 Speaker 1: mean there's just a lot. I mean, there's so fun 773 00:40:37,600 --> 00:40:39,719 Speaker 1: even going down to the position coaches. There's so many 774 00:40:39,719 --> 00:40:44,080 Speaker 1: but to see the coordinators, and obviously the immense respect 775 00:40:44,080 --> 00:40:46,040 Speaker 1: we both have for a Todd Bowles. We have intimate 776 00:40:46,080 --> 00:40:48,600 Speaker 1: knowledge with what he did back in the day under BA. 777 00:40:49,600 --> 00:40:55,120 Speaker 1: I just, you know, I'm probably in the realm of 778 00:40:55,200 --> 00:40:58,040 Speaker 1: fans that would rather not see Tom Brady win another 779 00:40:58,080 --> 00:41:01,799 Speaker 1: Super Bowl. I'm a little Tom Brady neat out, but 780 00:41:01,840 --> 00:41:06,200 Speaker 1: that's really ultimately I can't I you know, And again 781 00:41:06,239 --> 00:41:09,240 Speaker 1: this is where the personal part of the game gets involved. 782 00:41:09,320 --> 00:41:11,600 Speaker 1: I mean I got along great with Bruce Arens. I 783 00:41:11,680 --> 00:41:14,800 Speaker 1: love Todd Bulls. I got along great with Harold Goodwin, 784 00:41:15,160 --> 00:41:20,640 Speaker 1: I love Byron Leftwich, Larry Foote, Jason Light. I mean, 785 00:41:20,680 --> 00:41:22,480 Speaker 1: these are all guys that I got to know pretty 786 00:41:22,480 --> 00:41:25,120 Speaker 1: well when they were with the cardinalsh you know, I 787 00:41:25,640 --> 00:41:29,719 Speaker 1: actually DMed with Jason Light after the game the other 788 00:41:29,800 --> 00:41:32,600 Speaker 1: day just to say congratulations, and I just wanted to 789 00:41:32,640 --> 00:41:34,839 Speaker 1: let him know that, you know, some of us are 790 00:41:34,840 --> 00:41:36,640 Speaker 1: still rooting for him out here. And it's it's just 791 00:41:36,960 --> 00:41:39,520 Speaker 1: it's really cool to see. And I understand that there 792 00:41:39,520 --> 00:41:42,319 Speaker 1: are fans a little bit frustrated. There's kind of a 793 00:41:42,360 --> 00:41:43,839 Speaker 1: given and take, and there are some fans that are 794 00:41:43,840 --> 00:41:47,799 Speaker 1: frustrated to Ceba and even those coaches in Tampa doing this. 795 00:41:47,920 --> 00:41:51,160 Speaker 1: It goes back to what we were saying before. As 796 00:41:51,280 --> 00:41:53,000 Speaker 1: much as I love all those coaches, do I think 797 00:41:53,000 --> 00:41:55,440 Speaker 1: they're there with Jamis Winston if they don't instead of 798 00:41:55,440 --> 00:41:58,560 Speaker 1: Tom Brady, Absolutely, I do not so getting Tom Brady 799 00:41:58,719 --> 00:42:01,759 Speaker 1: was a big deal, but um, it is great to 800 00:42:02,200 --> 00:42:05,279 Speaker 1: see them have that success. I mean, everybody's trying to 801 00:42:05,320 --> 00:42:09,320 Speaker 1: get there, and uh, if the Cardinals can't be there, uh, 802 00:42:09,360 --> 00:42:11,279 Speaker 1: it's a group that I wouldn't mind seeing win it. 803 00:42:12,480 --> 00:42:14,319 Speaker 1: And once upon a time the Cardinals had a bunch 804 00:42:14,320 --> 00:42:18,040 Speaker 1: of transplants from the Steelers coaching when Ken Wizzena came over, 805 00:42:18,120 --> 00:42:20,960 Speaker 1: and so, uh, you know, sort of turn about at 806 00:42:20,960 --> 00:42:24,479 Speaker 1: this at this point and and so forth. So what's 807 00:42:24,480 --> 00:42:27,040 Speaker 1: interesting before we go any further, Paul, I just need 808 00:42:27,040 --> 00:42:30,360 Speaker 1: to I did look it up. Yeah, that's what I 809 00:42:30,440 --> 00:42:33,040 Speaker 1: love about these high school girls. Man, I get older, 810 00:42:33,080 --> 00:42:36,360 Speaker 1: they stay the same age. That's Matthew McConaughey and dazed 811 00:42:36,400 --> 00:42:42,920 Speaker 1: and confused. He's the I'm glad that was a movie line. Yes, 812 00:42:43,000 --> 00:42:45,520 Speaker 1: that's a movie, not a quote from Matthew McConaughey himself. 813 00:42:45,520 --> 00:42:46,960 Speaker 1: But no, no, no, no no, no, no, no no, that's 814 00:42:46,960 --> 00:42:49,960 Speaker 1: a that's a that's his character who is like out 815 00:42:49,960 --> 00:42:52,040 Speaker 1: of high school and he's still going to high school parties. 816 00:42:52,440 --> 00:42:53,800 Speaker 1: And that's what you made me think of when you 817 00:42:53,840 --> 00:42:57,000 Speaker 1: were talking about going in locker room and the ages 818 00:42:57,000 --> 00:43:00,359 Speaker 1: all stay the same while we get older. Yeah. Uh, 819 00:43:01,360 --> 00:43:03,680 Speaker 1: I'm not trying to make you uncomfortable. Are you blushing up? Paul? 820 00:43:03,680 --> 00:43:06,399 Speaker 1: I don't want you to do here. No, no, there 821 00:43:06,400 --> 00:43:09,200 Speaker 1: are two things that are reality check about going into 822 00:43:09,280 --> 00:43:11,800 Speaker 1: an NFL locker room. One, the age range never changes, 823 00:43:12,080 --> 00:43:15,120 Speaker 1: as we've already cited. And then be just the size 824 00:43:15,120 --> 00:43:17,279 Speaker 1: of these guys. And this is what I share with 825 00:43:17,320 --> 00:43:20,960 Speaker 1: all the baseball and football dads who think their kids 826 00:43:20,960 --> 00:43:23,640 Speaker 1: are going pro. And so we have the benefit there 827 00:43:23,760 --> 00:43:26,480 Speaker 1: to walking into a locker room every single day pre pandemic, 828 00:43:26,760 --> 00:43:30,920 Speaker 1: and you realize the freak factor that's going on, the size, 829 00:43:31,239 --> 00:43:35,640 Speaker 1: the speed, the ability you know of these guys who 830 00:43:35,640 --> 00:43:38,680 Speaker 1: are the point zero one percent. So as I tell 831 00:43:38,719 --> 00:43:41,120 Speaker 1: all these these dads, all these wannabes out on the 832 00:43:41,160 --> 00:43:44,640 Speaker 1: playing fields, just enjoy it while you can, because nobody's 833 00:43:44,719 --> 00:43:48,080 Speaker 1: going pro kapiche I think that's a good message to 834 00:43:48,120 --> 00:43:49,960 Speaker 1: put out their pall. We're gonna put out a PSA 835 00:43:50,239 --> 00:43:53,960 Speaker 1: sooner after the later, right, that's right. So there you go. 836 00:43:54,200 --> 00:43:57,520 Speaker 1: That's uh. 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