WEBVTT - Arcane Series Finale 0:00:01.000 --> 0:00:02.160 Look Out for Yourself. 0:00:02.920 --> 0:00:16.400 Warning. Today's episode contained spoilers for the series for now, 0:00:16.440 --> 0:00:19.680 the final three episodes, the last chapter. 0:00:20.200 --> 0:00:22.400 The last time you will ever listen to Enemy by 0:00:22.440 --> 0:00:26.560 Imagine Dragons, it's gonna happen. Hold on this time. Maybe 0:00:27.720 --> 0:00:28.960 that's it for Arcane. 0:00:29.200 --> 0:00:32.199 So if you haven't watched that, then really listen to 0:00:32.240 --> 0:00:35.360 Dan Reynolds to Imagine Dragons look Out for Yourself, Go 0:00:35.440 --> 0:00:36.240 back watch. 0:00:36.000 --> 0:00:56.560 Those and come back here. Hello. My name is Jason Concepcion. 0:00:57.000 --> 0:01:00.560 And I'm Rosy Night, and welcome back to Revision of 0:01:00.560 --> 0:01:01.320 the podcast, where. 0:01:01.200 --> 0:01:04.720 We dive deep into your favorite shows, movies, colleagues, and 0:01:04.840 --> 0:01:05.440 pop culture. 0:01:05.440 --> 0:01:08.040 Coming from IRA podcast will bring you three episodes a week, 0:01:08.120 --> 0:01:13.960 every Tuesday, every Thursday, with an extra episode every single Wednesday. 0:01:14.640 --> 0:01:18.119 Whoa And In today's episode, we are looking at the 0:01:18.240 --> 0:01:22.200 Arcane season two finale, episode seven A and nine at three, 0:01:22.400 --> 0:01:24.440 But really we'll be talking about feelings of full seasons 0:01:24.480 --> 0:01:26.919 and of course we'll be tapping in the producer panel 0:01:27.000 --> 0:01:29.360 coming straight from Kilt Over or Zo one, depending on 0:01:29.400 --> 0:01:32.960 how they're feeling. Well, are you lighting now now United? 0:01:33.040 --> 0:01:36.479 Now spoilers, but yeah, first we're gonna do some speed 0:01:36.520 --> 0:01:38.960 recaps and then we're gonna be talking about our feelings 0:01:39.000 --> 0:01:41.360 about this absolutely wild show and. 0:01:41.440 --> 0:01:42.200 What we feel now. 0:01:42.240 --> 0:01:44.479 It's it's come to an end for now. 0:01:46.319 --> 0:01:51.760 Next up the recap Okay Arcane Season two, the final chapter, 0:01:51.880 --> 0:01:54.320 the last three episodes. Episode seven, Pretend like It's the 0:01:54.360 --> 0:01:58.520 first time. Episode eight, Killing is a cycle an Episode 0:01:58.600 --> 0:02:00.800 nine The Dirt under Your Nail. 0:02:01.360 --> 0:02:05.440 Starting with episode seven, Echo awakens in an alternate timeline 0:02:05.880 --> 0:02:08.600 where being the Gang's heights from episode one was successful 0:02:08.720 --> 0:02:12.160 and the Hex tech was never invented. But get ready 0:02:12.200 --> 0:02:16.000 to be sad, guys, Violet died on the job. Himerdinger 0:02:16.040 --> 0:02:18.760 has already been there for like a thousand plus days. 0:02:18.639 --> 0:02:19.880 So he's doing. 0:02:23.680 --> 0:02:26.520 He's like, He's like, don't worry, Echo, You'll love it here. 0:02:26.560 --> 0:02:29.080 And why will he love it here? Well, this is 0:02:29.160 --> 0:02:33.520 essentially a world where both Zorn and Powder are in 0:02:33.560 --> 0:02:36.440 a very good place. Band is still alive. There's all 0:02:36.520 --> 0:02:38.240 kinds of people here that Echo hasn't seen for a 0:02:38.280 --> 0:02:44.679 long time, and Echo and Powder share a connection here 0:02:44.680 --> 0:02:48.000 that we didn't necessarily get to see, which I was 0:02:48.040 --> 0:02:56.560 definitely discussing. But basically, Echo finds shards of hex crystals 0:02:56.600 --> 0:02:59.880 and gets Powder to help him and Heimdinger create a 0:03:00.000 --> 0:03:02.200 machine that allows him to go back in time four seconds, 0:03:02.240 --> 0:03:04.760 which is Echo's game power. So that was a big 0:03:04.800 --> 0:03:05.880 deal to have a z drive. 0:03:06.200 --> 0:03:07.920 I want to shed out a very funny moment in 0:03:07.919 --> 0:03:11.440 which Echo realizes the four seconds is the limit because 0:03:11.480 --> 0:03:14.679 Heimerdinger gets blown up every time they go past four seconds. 0:03:14.760 --> 0:03:18.959 And heimer Dinger and he's like, okay, so that's the limit. 0:03:19.040 --> 0:03:20.440 Ye Like, how did you know? 0:03:21.200 --> 0:03:23.520 And he's like, ah, and you We've just seen his 0:03:23.600 --> 0:03:29.880 face be like melted off in the most So Powder 0:03:29.919 --> 0:03:32.960 and Echo share a romantic night and they kiss, which 0:03:33.040 --> 0:03:37.120 in this world they are clearly already romantically entangled. But 0:03:37.280 --> 0:03:40.920 as the title of the episode is, Echo says to Powder, 0:03:41.160 --> 0:03:44.200 pretend it's the first time they go and have a party, 0:03:44.240 --> 0:03:47.040 which is kind of like a it's to celebrate innovators 0:03:47.080 --> 0:03:50.080 within Zorn. And while they do that, Himerdinger is on 0:03:50.160 --> 0:03:53.400 his usual wild shit like just upgrading the machine on 0:03:53.400 --> 0:03:56.960 his own, ends up sacrificing himself, not in the most 0:03:57.000 --> 0:03:59.480 terrific way possible. So this is the first of many 0:03:59.520 --> 0:04:02.200 people in this three recaps that I will ask are 0:04:02.200 --> 0:04:04.640 they dead or are they in the multiverse. I'm saying 0:04:04.640 --> 0:04:06.520 it may be multiverse because I love this little guy. 0:04:06.600 --> 0:04:08.240 He disappears. I think he's in the moment. 0:04:08.280 --> 0:04:12.200 He disappears, and he sends echo back to the right 0:04:12.240 --> 0:04:16.320 timeline after the Arcane anomaly. We then see that Jace 0:04:16.400 --> 0:04:20.760 has been in a different timeline where Hextech has destroyed 0:04:20.839 --> 0:04:24.640 all of Piltover and a hooded Mage leads him through 0:04:24.640 --> 0:04:27.680 this kind of crumbling as Aaron put in this little 0:04:27.800 --> 0:04:32.720 cheeky eldermring joke here Fara Mizzoula to a corpse and 0:04:32.839 --> 0:04:35.600 Jason's own warped tammer. So he is like, what is 0:04:35.640 --> 0:04:38.719 going on? And this is bad? And then he knows 0:04:38.760 --> 0:04:41.640 like I've got to stop my bff slash maybe boyfriend 0:04:41.680 --> 0:04:44.400 Victor at any cost. And we're on to episode eight. 0:04:45.000 --> 0:04:48.680 We see mel awakening. She's glowing gold. She's got this 0:04:48.839 --> 0:04:52.080 really cool kind of markings all over her. She meets 0:04:52.080 --> 0:04:54.400 the Sorcerer from the Black Rose, who says, well, guess 0:04:54.400 --> 0:04:58.000 what you are? Actually a mage? Very rare, we love, 0:04:58.040 --> 0:05:01.280 it's very rare. You're in the gym half made. You 0:05:01.320 --> 0:05:04.359 can basically reflect other people, you can see what they're thinking, 0:05:04.480 --> 0:05:08.160 you can use their powers. And your mom sucks in 0:05:08.160 --> 0:05:10.320 case you didn't realize your mum. And Bessa has actually 0:05:10.360 --> 0:05:12.440 been hiding and protecting you because she sees you as 0:05:12.480 --> 0:05:14.960 like the ultimate weapon, and she's like the arcane is 0:05:15.000 --> 0:05:17.840 waking up, people are messing with it, and you gotta 0:05:17.880 --> 0:05:20.120 go back and help save your city. Am Bessa and 0:05:20.160 --> 0:05:25.160 Victor joined forces because now uh hex Tech. Victor wants 0:05:25.200 --> 0:05:28.680 to get to the hextgates, get to the anomalies and 0:05:29.279 --> 0:05:32.000 for some mysterious reason, and am Bessa wants an army, 0:05:32.279 --> 0:05:35.000 and thankfully, Victor's actually turned his followers into like an 0:05:35.040 --> 0:05:36.000 I robot army. 0:05:36.279 --> 0:05:38.240 He's like Ultron exactly. 0:05:38.480 --> 0:05:41.120 He's using a hive mind to turn his followers into 0:05:41.200 --> 0:05:47.560 sexy like slick white and gold Hextech robots. Victor attacks 0:05:47.640 --> 0:05:49.800 Jason Mell in the chamber with one of his eye 0:05:49.880 --> 0:05:52.520 robots and like they can even though Jas is now 0:05:52.600 --> 0:05:55.240 sexy bearded, Jace with a big hammer and he's got 0:05:55.279 --> 0:05:58.520 a cool leg after he fought through his alternate timeline, 0:05:58.520 --> 0:06:01.559 which I have to say, going just skipping back quickly 0:06:01.600 --> 0:06:04.560 to episode one, Jace is in his own timeline and 0:06:04.600 --> 0:06:07.600 he is like being tormented in that time. I saw 0:06:07.920 --> 0:06:10.080 I saw this in a room with like two thousand 0:06:10.080 --> 0:06:14.080 people at least like probably sixty percent were women, and 0:06:14.200 --> 0:06:16.520 believe that every single one of them was like cheering 0:06:16.560 --> 0:06:19.840 on as this man got tort Absolutely, he was just 0:06:19.960 --> 0:06:21.280 absolutely struggling. 0:06:22.160 --> 0:06:24.200 You know, in the scene where he makes his pitch 0:06:24.320 --> 0:06:27.920 to the leaders have piltover and so on, there's a gasp. 0:06:28.279 --> 0:06:31.440 And the gasp I think is not because he's unveiled, 0:06:32.040 --> 0:06:35.400 you know, Victor's one of Victor's army soldiers, and what 0:06:35.440 --> 0:06:37.080 it looks like. I think it's because they're like, damn, 0:06:37.240 --> 0:06:39.640 he's looking good. He's looking hot. 0:06:40.080 --> 0:06:42.600 Landry, my friend who is the number one Jace hater, 0:06:43.000 --> 0:06:45.080 when he came out with that long hair and the beard, 0:06:45.160 --> 0:06:47.400 she was like, uh oh, he's kind of eating and 0:06:47.440 --> 0:06:49.240 I was like, no, I know it's true. 0:06:49.320 --> 0:06:49.880 He sucks. 0:06:50.320 --> 0:06:53.080 How can he do this to us? But Melon, Victor, 0:06:53.200 --> 0:06:56.599 I mean, Jason Mel they can barely combine, like their 0:06:56.640 --> 0:06:59.920 powers are not anything against I robot. So we're gonna 0:06:59.920 --> 0:07:04.279 see what happens next. Jinks turns out she's alive, Buye's 0:07:04.360 --> 0:07:06.640 very happy, goes to see Caitlyn. Why the fuck is 0:07:06.760 --> 0:07:09.920 Junior Officer Maddy Nolan? Then Or wants to see her. 0:07:10.440 --> 0:07:13.720 Turns out more on her later. Jinks gave herself up 0:07:13.760 --> 0:07:17.080 to be arrested and is in a prison cell. And 0:07:17.080 --> 0:07:18.880 I have to say I did not appreciate how many 0:07:19.120 --> 0:07:21.880 weird shots they were of Jinkx's gross feet in this section, 0:07:22.080 --> 0:07:24.520 Like I will rewatched this so many times, and for 0:07:24.600 --> 0:07:27.239 some reason there's so many shots of her dirty feet. 0:07:27.680 --> 0:07:31.760 Ve goes to free Jinks and is like, Caitlyn, go away, 0:07:31.880 --> 0:07:34.880 I'm sick of you. Obviously, Jinks gets one up on 0:07:34.920 --> 0:07:37.520 her sister, beats her up leaves and she's like, I'm done. 0:07:37.640 --> 0:07:40.920 I'm walking out. I've been speaking to my dead silkoa 0:07:41.040 --> 0:07:43.200 dad in my head, and he basically said, sometimes you've 0:07:43.200 --> 0:07:46.120 got to walk away and stop fighting. Kate comes in 0:07:46.160 --> 0:07:48.520 and she's like, hey, I knew your sister was going 0:07:48.600 --> 0:07:51.760 to lock you in this prison, and you know what, 0:07:51.960 --> 0:07:53.960 I gotta tell you something. I've been kind of like 0:07:54.040 --> 0:07:57.640 sleeping and buyers like I don't fucking care, come over 0:07:57.680 --> 0:08:00.480 here and my muscly arms covered in tattoos, and then 0:08:00.520 --> 0:08:06.360 we get and quite extended and unexpected. We were wondering 0:08:06.400 --> 0:08:09.720 are they gonna kiss? Well? Guess what. More than that, 0:08:10.400 --> 0:08:13.880 it was great, and I would I was sweat I know, 0:08:14.000 --> 0:08:15.720 it's like they go for it. And I will tell 0:08:15.720 --> 0:08:19.400 you something, I've maybe never felt more powerful than being 0:08:19.480 --> 0:08:22.400 in that room that my friend correctly called the lesbian Convention. 0:08:22.840 --> 0:08:26.200 When they played this scene on the big screen, the 0:08:26.360 --> 0:08:28.920 screams were so powerful that I felt like I could 0:08:28.920 --> 0:08:31.000 have powered myself up for like twenty years. 0:08:31.160 --> 0:08:33.640 It was it was It was steamy, it was crazy. 0:08:33.920 --> 0:08:35.640 It was steamy, And I think they did a nice 0:08:35.720 --> 0:08:39.960 job of being steamy without being like explicit, because they 0:08:39.960 --> 0:08:42.079 still understand who the audience is for this show. 0:08:42.880 --> 0:08:43.160 Jase. 0:08:43.400 --> 0:08:45.439 Then we get him making his plea to the leaders 0:08:45.440 --> 0:08:46.920 have piled over and so on, and he's like, you 0:08:47.000 --> 0:08:51.960 gotta fight the fighters coming here, and we can't keep 0:08:52.000 --> 0:08:53.880 fighting each other. Even though I did think that was 0:08:53.880 --> 0:08:55.439 the point of the show. Just side note there. We'll 0:08:55.440 --> 0:08:56.040 talk about that more. 0:08:56.040 --> 0:08:59.160 Late to the point of the game game as well. 0:08:59.679 --> 0:09:02.760 No, now we gotta come together to fight cool Victor 0:09:02.960 --> 0:09:07.040 and his sw is like evil robots. Some people leave, 0:09:07.080 --> 0:09:10.640 some people don't. We then start the final episode with 0:09:10.760 --> 0:09:13.840 Jinx and she has got one of her iconic little 0:09:13.880 --> 0:09:16.880 grenades and she just keeps trying to blow herself up 0:09:17.040 --> 0:09:19.559 in the last drop, but echoes turns up and he's like, bro, 0:09:20.200 --> 0:09:22.600 don't do this, and we see him like rewind time 0:09:22.640 --> 0:09:24.640 a few times and he eventually is like. 0:09:24.679 --> 0:09:25.320 Let's talk. 0:09:26.240 --> 0:09:28.840 We then just go straight into the battle. They are like, 0:09:28.920 --> 0:09:32.440 we need some war we need some enemies, and it's happening. 0:09:32.559 --> 0:09:35.560 Caitlyn and her team attempt to ambush am Bessa and 0:09:35.600 --> 0:09:40.560 her kind of Noxy and warriors. They're captured because guess why. 0:09:40.840 --> 0:09:44.400 Turns out Junior Officer Maddy Nolan, who's been keeping Caitlin 0:09:44.480 --> 0:09:47.520 warm at night, has been working for AMBSSA all alone. 0:09:48.320 --> 0:09:53.680 Oh baby, Mel arrives, saves Caitlyn and in doing so 0:09:54.000 --> 0:09:57.200 kill like Maddy Nolan is gonna shoot Caitlyn in the 0:09:57.240 --> 0:10:01.720 head after saying I appreciated your and Mel puts up 0:10:01.720 --> 0:10:05.360 a shield and it ricochets and shoots Junior Officer Maddie 0:10:05.360 --> 0:10:09.640 Nolan in the head. And wow, the way people were 0:10:09.720 --> 0:10:12.960 cheering when this young woman died. You couldn't believe it. Ah. 0:10:13.280 --> 0:10:16.600 Caitlin and Mel have this great battle where they battle 0:10:16.640 --> 0:10:19.880 and Bessa. I love that Mel overcomes am Bessa and 0:10:19.920 --> 0:10:22.320 Bessa gets sent to the Black Rose dimension, where we're 0:10:22.400 --> 0:10:25.360 kind of seeing her chained up very hell raiser, very 0:10:25.400 --> 0:10:29.079 center bite style, but Mel actually manages to save her 0:10:29.120 --> 0:10:33.160 mother from that dimension she passes away, but finally she 0:10:33.240 --> 0:10:35.880 says to her, you are the wolf, like you are 0:10:35.920 --> 0:10:39.280 the next Noxie and leader. Then, just when things are 0:10:39.320 --> 0:10:43.240 looking really bad, we've already lost bearded best friend of VI, 0:10:43.440 --> 0:10:46.320 who we learned his name was Louris rip Lorris. We 0:10:46.360 --> 0:10:50.480 barely knew yee, we barely knew ye. We're seeing lots 0:10:50.480 --> 0:10:54.440 of deaths from Piltover, the brave people who came up 0:10:54.440 --> 0:10:57.000 from Zorn to fight alongside the people who've been oppressing them. 0:10:57.200 --> 0:11:01.280 They're dying. But guess what. Then we get huge moment 0:11:01.679 --> 0:11:04.400 where Jink shows up in her little air machine with 0:11:04.480 --> 0:11:06.679 echo in the firelights and they telling the tide of 0:11:06.720 --> 0:11:09.720 the battle. We at a lot of great echo moments. 0:11:10.280 --> 0:11:15.000 We get sadly, then we find Warwick, who has been 0:11:15.080 --> 0:11:19.360 victified and is like a giant hex tech werewolf now 0:11:19.800 --> 0:11:24.920 battles Jinks, and by then Victor arrives with his new redesign. 0:11:25.000 --> 0:11:27.880 It's really sick. It's reminiscent of the game, but in 0:11:27.920 --> 0:11:30.600 my opinion, I really love the choices they made with it. 0:11:30.679 --> 0:11:34.839 He's left his little galaxy space where he's been hanging 0:11:34.840 --> 0:11:38.560 out with Sky and talking about, you know, making everything perfect. 0:11:39.080 --> 0:11:42.200 Confronts Jason. He's like, bro, I gotta end all conflict 0:11:42.280 --> 0:11:45.040 and suffering. And even though you might no longer be 0:11:45.120 --> 0:11:47.559 part of this home erotic friendship, I am very glad 0:11:47.559 --> 0:11:51.240 to see you. I love you. Echo uses a zero 0:11:51.360 --> 0:11:56.160 drive to outmaneuver Victor in his army. He's going back 0:11:56.160 --> 0:12:00.240 in time, he's pulling things. Jason, Victor commune with not 0:12:00.400 --> 0:12:05.000 Arcane in this kind of galactic universal space, which I love. 0:12:05.080 --> 0:12:07.480 This is actually my favorite visuals of the season, or 0:12:07.520 --> 0:12:10.960 this part of the season, and it's revealed, of course, 0:12:11.000 --> 0:12:13.160 in case you didn't guess that the hooded Mage that 0:12:13.320 --> 0:12:17.320 saved Jase was actually an alternate timeline Victor and his 0:12:17.440 --> 0:12:21.120 pursuit of perfection just led to him being like endlessly lonely, 0:12:21.520 --> 0:12:24.600 and in all timelines, the only person he could trust 0:12:25.120 --> 0:12:28.440 to help convince him to stop was Jase because they're 0:12:28.440 --> 0:12:32.720 in love obviously. And then together they basically take the 0:12:32.760 --> 0:12:37.920 piece of hex tech that Jase and that Victored once 0:12:37.960 --> 0:12:40.520 given to Jace. They hold it together and Victor says, 0:12:40.520 --> 0:12:43.960 you gotta leave, and Jay says, no, we finish this together, 0:12:44.000 --> 0:12:46.800 and then they disappear into what seems into the gem. 0:12:46.920 --> 0:12:51.040 So again, are they dead? Is it multiversal? I'm saying 0:12:51.080 --> 0:12:53.400 it's multiversal. Also, guys, in case you haven't seen the 0:12:53.440 --> 0:12:57.960 Christopher Nolan Tenant movie, this is basically the Tenant I 0:12:58.000 --> 0:13:02.079 just want to say, it's just Tenant. Then Warick aka 0:13:02.200 --> 0:13:06.640 Vander aka Victified Vanda attacks me. They're in the kind 0:13:06.679 --> 0:13:10.840 of tunnel system of Piltover, and Jink saves her, but 0:13:11.480 --> 0:13:16.560 as Vi grabs her, Jinks takes the hex Tech out 0:13:16.600 --> 0:13:19.080 of her gauntlets, causing them to fall apart, and she 0:13:19.280 --> 0:13:23.520 falls down with Warwick into the kind of tunnels and says, 0:13:23.600 --> 0:13:27.160 you know, I will always be together in any world. 0:13:27.400 --> 0:13:29.960 Ye holds them and it doesn't It doesn't happen. And 0:13:30.000 --> 0:13:32.959 then this is the big question again, is Jink's really dead? 0:13:33.400 --> 0:13:37.880 Many people stopping this seeing her, seeing these kind of 0:13:37.920 --> 0:13:42.520 purple shooting out into the tunnels. We end with essentially 0:13:42.600 --> 0:13:45.040 like a prologue that lets us know mel is taking 0:13:45.040 --> 0:13:48.960 her mother's place. We see singed daughters still alive. Savika 0:13:49.080 --> 0:13:51.040 joins the council, and now I have to say, you 0:13:51.160 --> 0:13:54.200 don't know how much the lesbians loves Sevika bro Every 0:13:54.200 --> 0:13:56.560 time she's on screen, she never had one word, and 0:13:56.679 --> 0:13:59.959 every single cosplay girl in there is screaming. It was fantastic. 0:14:00.760 --> 0:14:04.680 Kaitlin and Bay are together. Caitlin is now got a 0:14:04.760 --> 0:14:08.400 cool eyepatch by is humming the song we first heard 0:14:08.440 --> 0:14:11.080 Powder singing in episode one, and it looks to me 0:14:11.160 --> 0:14:14.760 like Caitlyn is essentially looking at the plans of the 0:14:14.840 --> 0:14:18.360 Piltover tunnel system the Piltover. 0:14:18.200 --> 0:14:20.560 And they're going to do some sort of reforms to 0:14:20.640 --> 0:14:21.400 the structure. 0:14:21.760 --> 0:14:26.480 And I also wonder if she is looking for Jinks. Right, 0:14:27.400 --> 0:14:30.880 Jinks knows those tunnels as that was where Jinks fell, 0:14:31.000 --> 0:14:33.000 and maybe Kate is trying to find her. And then 0:14:33.040 --> 0:14:35.720 we get at the end, Kate asked Via, you're still 0:14:35.760 --> 0:14:37.920 in this battle. You're still in this fight, and then 0:14:38.000 --> 0:14:41.320 we see a kind of airship fly off, letting us 0:14:41.360 --> 0:14:43.280 know that there are like more tales to be told 0:14:43.400 --> 0:14:47.280 in this world. So they did not bury their gaze. 0:14:47.360 --> 0:14:49.680 Good for them, and we if you're worried about that, 0:14:49.720 --> 0:14:51.400 you know some of our discord word they did not. 0:14:51.520 --> 0:14:54.680 You do get a gay happy ending here, and yeah, 0:14:54.680 --> 0:14:57.480 that is the end of our recaps, and I have 0:14:57.520 --> 0:14:59.600 to say, obviously I got to watch this in the cinema. 0:14:59.680 --> 0:15:01.680 It was a amazing I will say I do think 0:15:01.720 --> 0:15:04.600 Netflix should have done like a Disney style Star Wars 0:15:04.920 --> 0:15:06.880 cinematic release for these I think they would have made 0:15:06.880 --> 0:15:08.320 a lot of money. I think people would have really 0:15:08.360 --> 0:15:11.360 gotten to enjoy some of the more epic moments. But yeah, 0:15:11.360 --> 0:15:13.440 it was great. And I guess we're going to toss 0:15:13.760 --> 0:15:18.360 to a message from our sponsors before we call in 0:15:18.480 --> 0:15:22.080 the newly united Piltover and so On producers Panel to 0:15:22.120 --> 0:15:25.520 talk about our feelings about the finale of. 0:15:26.200 --> 0:15:43.080 Okay, Yeah, and we're back. 0:15:44.560 --> 0:15:45.360 We're back, baby. 0:15:46.320 --> 0:15:50.640 Please welcome to the chamber the producer panel, abou Jowel 0:15:50.760 --> 0:15:57.240 and Aaron to discuss the series finale question. 0:15:57.040 --> 0:16:00.680 Mark of our finale, I believe of our but I 0:16:01.240 --> 0:16:03.800 think we know that there is going to be more 0:16:04.120 --> 0:16:07.640 stories in this kind of room, Terror, wild and clearly 0:16:07.760 --> 0:16:09.600 you know, a league of legends. 0:16:09.640 --> 0:16:13.280 Once they figure out their line producer issues and how 0:16:13.320 --> 0:16:17.440 to budget the show responsibly, I think they will create 0:16:17.480 --> 0:16:19.520 more shows. It only makes sense that they will do. 0:16:19.680 --> 0:16:24.760 So let's talk about our favorite Let's talk about. 0:16:24.560 --> 0:16:25.920 Like the what what worked? 0:16:25.960 --> 0:16:27.480 I think the pacing obviously is going to be a 0:16:27.480 --> 0:16:30.360 big point of conversation, but I think. 0:16:30.320 --> 0:16:31.960 For me it has been with the audience. 0:16:32.080 --> 0:16:36.160 Has been with the audience. I think the a common 0:16:36.200 --> 0:16:40.320 thread in a lot of the comments about the end 0:16:40.400 --> 0:16:43.120 of season two the end of the series has been God, 0:16:43.160 --> 0:16:45.000 it felt really rush, and it did feel rushed. I 0:16:45.000 --> 0:16:47.640 will say that what worked for me, though, was that 0:16:48.560 --> 0:16:54.800 they concentrated on emotional climaxes and emotional beats. It's very 0:16:54.800 --> 0:16:56.720 interesting to me that like the plot beats and the 0:16:56.760 --> 0:16:59.560 emotional beats kind of never intersect, but the fact that 0:16:59.600 --> 0:17:03.280 they gave the emotional stuff such a balanced airing in 0:17:03.320 --> 0:17:07.840 the finale made it feel ultimately satisfying and overcome the 0:17:07.880 --> 0:17:14.440 pacing issues. And I also think that thematically the show 0:17:14.560 --> 0:17:20.560 really hangs together around a common idea which seems to 0:17:20.600 --> 0:17:24.359 me to be not quite forgiveness, but like letting go. 0:17:25.200 --> 0:17:27.879 You know, Yea, there's clearly a difference between forgiveness and 0:17:27.960 --> 0:17:31.560 letting go, but it's more about, Hey, bad stuff happened, 0:17:31.560 --> 0:17:36.480 we did bad stuff. I'm just gonna move past it now. 0:17:36.680 --> 0:17:39.640 There's certain things and maybe I can't forgive people before, yeah, 0:17:39.640 --> 0:17:41.640 but I'm but whatever that looks like to me, I'm 0:17:41.680 --> 0:17:45.480 going to move past that and move on. So I 0:17:45.480 --> 0:17:47.680 think that was what really carried it for me, and 0:17:48.040 --> 0:17:51.479 I was ultimately quite satisfied, even though I mean it's 0:17:51.960 --> 0:17:54.040 I feel like, if you like the show, it's impossible 0:17:54.080 --> 0:17:56.840 to come out of episode nine and not be like, 0:17:57.800 --> 0:17:59.119 we need more. 0:17:59.240 --> 0:18:00.320 Where's the rest of it? 0:18:00.440 --> 0:18:05.919 But ultimately I'm quite satisfied. Your favorite elements for you, Rosie. 0:18:06.000 --> 0:18:08.680 I would definitely say, just like, the emotional beats did 0:18:08.720 --> 0:18:11.159 really hit for me, and even some of the stuff 0:18:11.160 --> 0:18:13.840 that I know we will talk about, like that first episode. 0:18:13.880 --> 0:18:18.159 In this episode seven, I was definitely a little bit confused, 0:18:18.200 --> 0:18:19.760 and at first I thought it was a lack of 0:18:19.840 --> 0:18:22.240 understanding of the law, but actually I think everyone was 0:18:22.280 --> 0:18:25.880 a little bit confused with that kind of alternate universe episode. 0:18:25.880 --> 0:18:27.879 But for me, I think that is the episode I 0:18:27.920 --> 0:18:30.040 will go back and revisit the most, and I think 0:18:30.080 --> 0:18:32.760 it hammered home some emotional beats that would then come 0:18:32.800 --> 0:18:34.240 to the four later on. 0:18:34.400 --> 0:18:37.200 I inverted happy ending. They gave you the happy ending 0:18:37.200 --> 0:18:38.400 in the beginning. 0:18:38.480 --> 0:18:41.680 Exactly, and I was happy where Kate and Bayer's story ended. 0:18:41.960 --> 0:18:45.240 As somebody who was not particularly invested in Jake, I 0:18:45.359 --> 0:18:48.240 actually found the Jake and Victor stuff to be pretty 0:18:48.240 --> 0:18:53.000 profound by the end, and also like I am a Tenant. 0:18:53.080 --> 0:18:55.960 I'm a Tenant apologist because that movie is gay as 0:18:56.000 --> 0:18:57.840 hell and there's about two men who love each other 0:18:57.920 --> 0:19:00.280 and go through time to just be together, and this 0:19:00.359 --> 0:19:02.600 is the same thing. So that was good for me. 0:19:02.880 --> 0:19:04.400 I love Echo. I thought that. 0:19:04.920 --> 0:19:08.440 Yeah, criminally, criminally low amounts of eggs exactly. I needed 0:19:08.480 --> 0:19:10.000 so much more Echo in this series. 0:19:10.680 --> 0:19:13.280 I do feel like by the end, I was like, 0:19:13.320 --> 0:19:15.080 I feel like if you're if, the show is a 0:19:15.119 --> 0:19:17.320 journey of them kind of learning what works and what 0:19:17.400 --> 0:19:19.439 doesn't work or what they want to see. I do 0:19:19.520 --> 0:19:21.639 think that by the end, having Echo getting to be 0:19:21.720 --> 0:19:25.960 that big hero that really worked for me. I love drinks, 0:19:26.000 --> 0:19:29.440 so I'm definitely of the mind of like there's fun 0:19:29.480 --> 0:19:31.160 to be had looking at whether or not she died 0:19:31.160 --> 0:19:33.280 while still getting that emotional beat. So for me, it 0:19:33.359 --> 0:19:35.600 was the emotional beats. And I really want to ask 0:19:35.600 --> 0:19:37.359 a Boot because we didn't have you on the last 0:19:38.080 --> 0:19:40.920 part and you're desperately missed by our discord users, how 0:19:40.920 --> 0:19:44.360 do you feel about the final three episodes? 0:19:45.480 --> 0:19:49.560 I loved it so so, so so much, like I'm 0:19:49.600 --> 0:19:53.159 working away with it, just still processing my feelings. Like 0:19:53.200 --> 0:19:54.960 I tweeted yesterday, I was like, I'm going to need 0:19:55.160 --> 0:19:57.439 a couple of weeks and a couple of rewatches to 0:19:57.480 --> 0:19:59.760 figure out how I actually feel about the show, because 0:19:59.760 --> 0:20:04.280 I'm left just astounded. I think the visual storytelling is 0:20:04.320 --> 0:20:06.520 top notch stuff, some of the best I've ever seen. 0:20:06.640 --> 0:20:12.160 I think the emotional gut punches rushed, sure, effective, very 0:20:12.000 --> 0:20:16.600 very I've walked away just feeling quite blown away, you know, 0:20:17.680 --> 0:20:21.520 by the show. You know, the more I think about it, 0:20:22.640 --> 0:20:27.960 the more knits I can pick. But the feelings I 0:20:28.000 --> 0:20:31.200 walked away with after watching these last three episodes were 0:20:31.800 --> 0:20:35.200 unlike any other animated show I can think of in 0:20:35.280 --> 0:20:38.680 recent memory. So I don't know. I'm a total stand 0:20:38.760 --> 0:20:42.600 for this show despite its faults, and I loved nearly 0:20:42.640 --> 0:20:44.200 every aspect of at top to bottom. 0:20:44.720 --> 0:20:46.840 I do have to say I did come at the end. 0:20:46.960 --> 0:20:49.040 I did like look at my friend and be like, Okay, 0:20:49.080 --> 0:20:53.199 I do think it's a really interesting situation because I 0:20:53.240 --> 0:20:55.439 do feel like by the end of the episode, I 0:20:55.480 --> 0:20:57.960 was like, you can go back to calling Arcane the 0:20:58.000 --> 0:21:00.760 show a masterpiece, just because of the they managed to 0:21:00.800 --> 0:21:03.560 get emotional beats to hit. But it's interesting because it 0:21:03.600 --> 0:21:05.440 is also not a perfect show. So I think there's 0:21:05.440 --> 0:21:08.560 an interesting conversation to be had around it can both 0:21:08.840 --> 0:21:12.160 be a masterpiece that really works and just absolutely hits, 0:21:12.400 --> 0:21:14.240 but it can also be something where you're like, oh, 0:21:14.280 --> 0:21:16.199 what would it have been like to do this? But 0:21:16.280 --> 0:21:21.080 I think part of that is actually why this show 0:21:21.520 --> 0:21:24.080 is so unique because there's never been a show like this. 0:21:24.160 --> 0:21:26.320 So there is gonna be those growing pains, and there's 0:21:26.320 --> 0:21:28.399 gonna be things that are like, the highs are so 0:21:28.520 --> 0:21:30.639 high and then you're like, wait a minute, but a 0:21:30.680 --> 0:21:32.920 normal show would do this. But you're like, but also 0:21:32.960 --> 0:21:34.840 if this show had been made normally, it would have 0:21:34.920 --> 0:21:37.040 never been the show that we got. So it's like 0:21:37.080 --> 0:21:39.800 this really complex space, Aaron, how about you? 0:21:40.520 --> 0:21:42.160 So one of the reasons I think a Boo your 0:21:42.560 --> 0:21:46.440 your comments spot on with the emotional storytelling really hit 0:21:46.560 --> 0:21:49.359 even despite the pacing, is because this show did an 0:21:49.359 --> 0:21:53.200 incredible job of building character and focusing on characters and 0:21:53.440 --> 0:22:00.280 making you care about damaged, imperfect characters. Jinx someone who 0:22:00.800 --> 0:22:03.359