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Speaker 1: Look Out for Yourself.

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Speaker 2: Warning. Today's episode contained spoilers for the series for now,

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Speaker 2: the final three episodes, the last chapter.

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Speaker 2: So if you haven't watched that, then really listen to

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Speaker 2: Dan Reynolds to Imagine Dragons look Out for Yourself, Go

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Speaker 1: Those and come back here. Hello. My name is Jason Concepcion.

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Speaker 2: And I'm Rosy Night, and welcome back to Revision of

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Speaker 2: the podcast, where.

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Speaker 1: We dive deep into your favorite shows, movies, colleagues, and

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Speaker 2: Coming from IRA podcast will bring you three episodes a week,

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Speaker 2: every Tuesday, every Thursday, with an extra episode every single Wednesday.

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Speaker 3: Whoa And In today's episode, we are looking at the

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Speaker 3: Arcane season two finale, episode seven A and nine at three,

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Speaker 3: But really we'll be talking about feelings of full seasons

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Speaker 3: how they're feeling. Well, are you lighting now now United?

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Speaker 3: Now spoilers, but yeah, first we're gonna do some speed

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Speaker 3: Starting with episode seven, Echo awakens in an alternate timeline

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Speaker 3: Mark of our finale, I believe of our but I

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Speaker 7: gonna be fleshed out later, to have a space where

433
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Speaker 7: I jump off into.

434
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Speaker 1: Also, am Bessa is the one character from the show,

435
00:23:50,280 --> 00:23:50,880
Speaker 1: so I was.

436
00:23:50,800 --> 00:23:55,000
Speaker 3: Going to say the game because everyone else is getting.

437
00:23:55,320 --> 00:23:59,400
Speaker 3: My understanding is they've already started adding skins for everyone else,

438
00:23:59,440 --> 00:24:01,640
Speaker 3: but am best is actually a fully blown.

439
00:24:01,359 --> 00:24:03,680
Speaker 1: Character introduced like last month or something.

440
00:24:03,760 --> 00:24:04,080
Speaker 7: Yeah.

441
00:24:04,160 --> 00:24:07,120
Speaker 3: Yeah, I was like, that's an interesting choice. I'm very intrigued.

442
00:24:07,280 --> 00:24:11,480
Speaker 3: And then I saw Ambssa in the finale battle with

443
00:24:11,600 --> 00:24:17,200
Speaker 3: those like crazy like cars on chains, and I was like, oh, okay, no,

444
00:24:17,320 --> 00:24:19,360
Speaker 3: I get it, Like this is like who wouldn't want

445
00:24:19,359 --> 00:24:22,320
Speaker 3: to play as that character? Okay, Jason and Joel, I

446
00:24:22,359 --> 00:24:24,800
Speaker 3: know you two both have like heavy critiques on pacing,

447
00:24:24,880 --> 00:24:27,240
Speaker 3: so let's talk about that, like you two go go

448
00:24:27,359 --> 00:24:28,200
Speaker 3: deep into it.

449
00:24:28,760 --> 00:24:31,920
Speaker 2: Listen when the producers tell you, as they have in

450
00:24:32,000 --> 00:24:37,399
Speaker 2: numerous interviews since the kind of bombshell Hollywood Reporter story

451
00:24:37,440 --> 00:24:40,560
Speaker 2: came out, it was a variety, sorry forget, I.

452
00:24:40,480 --> 00:24:42,159
Speaker 3: Think it was. I think it was THHL. But anyway,

453
00:24:42,200 --> 00:24:43,760
Speaker 3: that was a trade expose.

454
00:24:43,720 --> 00:24:47,159
Speaker 2: Yeah, correct saying that, No, it was always going to

455
00:24:47,200 --> 00:24:50,920
Speaker 2: be two seasons. That's come on, there's no. I don't

456
00:24:51,520 --> 00:24:55,359
Speaker 2: believe it. I don't believe that to be the case.

457
00:24:55,600 --> 00:24:59,359
Speaker 2: I think they were clearly thinking there was going to

458
00:24:59,440 --> 00:25:02,800
Speaker 2: be more, and I think it tells in the storytelling.

459
00:25:02,960 --> 00:25:08,520
Speaker 2: I think that they saved it with incredible emotional home runs,

460
00:25:08,840 --> 00:25:12,800
Speaker 2: like it's interesting that to me, the stuff that was

461
00:25:12,840 --> 00:25:16,960
Speaker 2: surprising was more the misses, like the diversions, the time jumps, yeah,

462
00:25:17,080 --> 00:25:20,919
Speaker 2: the alternate universes, and the stuff that was not surprising

463
00:25:21,040 --> 00:25:22,919
Speaker 2: was also kind of like the most for me, the

464
00:25:22,960 --> 00:25:26,520
Speaker 2: most resonant and emotionally satisfying, because it just tells you

465
00:25:26,560 --> 00:25:30,560
Speaker 2: they're like they recognized, Okay, we have to land the

466
00:25:30,600 --> 00:25:36,159
Speaker 2: Ambassa plane. Okay, we have to land the Kate and

467
00:25:36,280 --> 00:25:40,199
Speaker 2: V plane. Okay, we have to land the JINX and

468
00:25:40,359 --> 00:25:43,560
Speaker 2: V plane, and just understanding, like we have to give

469
00:25:43,600 --> 00:25:47,360
Speaker 2: people resolutions to these stories. Victor and Jason and they

470
00:25:47,359 --> 00:25:51,919
Speaker 2: did it, and to me, that was that managed to

471
00:25:52,160 --> 00:25:56,320
Speaker 2: overcome any issues that they had with the pac which

472
00:25:56,520 --> 00:25:58,360
Speaker 2: is really if you want to talk about like kind

473
00:25:58,400 --> 00:26:03,920
Speaker 2: of a master it's like accomplishing time is accomplishing that

474
00:26:03,960 --> 00:26:06,920
Speaker 2: because it really was, like you do, the more you

475
00:26:07,000 --> 00:26:10,439
Speaker 2: think about it, you really do feel how rushed it was,

476
00:26:10,480 --> 00:26:13,200
Speaker 2: but it was. It's the hard stuff, it's the gut

477
00:26:13,240 --> 00:26:15,600
Speaker 2: punch stuff. It's the emotional stuff that really carries. And

478
00:26:15,640 --> 00:26:20,200
Speaker 2: I keep thinking about for me, the theme that forgiveness

479
00:26:20,240 --> 00:26:22,960
Speaker 2: were moving on. Theme I think is why it's so

480
00:26:23,119 --> 00:26:26,280
Speaker 2: resonant to me is I've been watching a lot of

481
00:26:27,600 --> 00:26:32,840
Speaker 2: couple's therapy on Showtime on the Bleared Showtime Network, and

482
00:26:34,320 --> 00:26:38,359
Speaker 2: Orna the Therapist at one point there's she has a

483
00:26:38,400 --> 00:26:41,080
Speaker 2: line that I can't stop thinking about in the in

484
00:26:41,119 --> 00:26:46,199
Speaker 2: the current season where there's like a polyque triplet and

485
00:26:46,240 --> 00:26:51,800
Speaker 2: they come in and uh and the main the anchor

486
00:26:51,920 --> 00:26:59,120
Speaker 2: guy of that trio is like airing all these grievances.

487
00:26:59,240 --> 00:27:01,520
Speaker 2: You know, she did this to me first, and then

488
00:27:01,600 --> 00:27:04,320
Speaker 2: I did this, and then of course Ben and she

489
00:27:04,440 --> 00:27:07,120
Speaker 2: stops him and she's like, it doesn't matter who did

490
00:27:07,160 --> 00:27:10,200
Speaker 2: what first, and he's like, but I think it does,

491
00:27:10,240 --> 00:27:12,720
Speaker 2: and he's and she's like, no, it you know, in

492
00:27:12,760 --> 00:27:15,600
Speaker 2: a court of law it matters, But in a relationship,

493
00:27:16,840 --> 00:27:19,439
Speaker 2: trying to unwind who did what to who first is

494
00:27:19,480 --> 00:27:23,520
Speaker 2: actually tremendously toxic, and you can't ever escape what's happening.

495
00:27:23,200 --> 00:27:25,680
Speaker 3: Because then you're basically always trying to get the uppa hand.

496
00:27:25,840 --> 00:27:28,359
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I think that message in this show to

497
00:27:28,440 --> 00:27:31,520
Speaker 2: me just you know, in a show about two like

498
00:27:31,720 --> 00:27:35,200
Speaker 2: warring societies who can't get it out of each other's

499
00:27:35,240 --> 00:27:39,120
Speaker 2: way and can't stop thinking, well, they're doing this to us,

500
00:27:39,160 --> 00:27:41,400
Speaker 2: so we have to do this and they and then

501
00:27:41,400 --> 00:27:43,320
Speaker 2: the other society is like, well, they attacked us, so

502
00:27:43,400 --> 00:27:46,119
Speaker 2: clearly we must respond. And the only way out of

503
00:27:46,119 --> 00:27:49,840
Speaker 2: that is to just go you know, I'm not I'm

504
00:27:49,880 --> 00:27:52,800
Speaker 2: not saying what happened was okay, and I'm never going

505
00:27:52,880 --> 00:27:54,480
Speaker 2: to get over it, but I'm also not going to

506
00:27:54,520 --> 00:27:57,239
Speaker 2: be bound by the rules of like responding to that.

507
00:27:57,880 --> 00:28:00,360
Speaker 2: And that worked on a societal level and the show

508
00:28:00,400 --> 00:28:03,440
Speaker 2: and it worked on an interpersonal level. And I thought

509
00:28:03,480 --> 00:28:09,680
Speaker 2: that was just a tremendously trenchant and resonant emotional beat

510
00:28:09,720 --> 00:28:12,960
Speaker 2: that they just nailed and managed to overcome the piecing

511
00:28:12,960 --> 00:28:13,760
Speaker 2: issues for me.

512
00:28:13,760 --> 00:28:16,680
Speaker 3: And I'm gonna set up I just want people to understand.

513
00:28:16,720 --> 00:28:20,000
Speaker 3: You know Joel from the New Girl podcast, You know

514
00:28:20,119 --> 00:28:23,479
Speaker 3: Joel from Fake Doctor's Real Friends, But do you know

515
00:28:23,800 --> 00:28:28,280
Speaker 3: that Joel is also like a storied entertainment critic who

516
00:28:28,280 --> 00:28:31,160
Speaker 3: has been watching TV for a very long time, who

517
00:28:31,200 --> 00:28:34,639
Speaker 3: is on MPR talking about movies. So believe when she

518
00:28:34,720 --> 00:28:37,040
Speaker 3: comes into this and tells you the show has pacing issues,

519
00:28:37,280 --> 00:28:40,280
Speaker 3: She's got the chops, She's done the work, and she

520
00:28:40,440 --> 00:28:44,280
Speaker 3: does have the juice. So Joel, tell us what did

521
00:28:44,280 --> 00:28:46,760
Speaker 3: it work? From a television critic level?

522
00:28:47,520 --> 00:28:49,360
Speaker 4: First Wow, introduction?

523
00:28:49,480 --> 00:28:49,760
Speaker 3: Thank you?

524
00:28:50,680 --> 00:28:51,040
Speaker 4: Okay.

525
00:28:51,120 --> 00:28:53,840
Speaker 7: So I will say I agree with everybody that it's

526
00:28:53,880 --> 00:28:56,160
Speaker 7: sort of a miracle that what they pulled off managed

527
00:28:56,200 --> 00:28:59,280
Speaker 7: to be as entertaining as it did. Right, Like, I'm

528
00:28:59,320 --> 00:29:01,760
Speaker 7: giving you impossible too, Like I'd get back in the

529
00:29:01,760 --> 00:29:04,400
Speaker 7: boat with these characters even though this was a train wreck.

530
00:29:04,560 --> 00:29:05,400
Speaker 3: I like that.

531
00:29:07,760 --> 00:29:09,360
Speaker 1: Absolutely the same. It's fun.

532
00:29:09,400 --> 00:29:11,000
Speaker 4: You're like, oh, these characters are so exciting.

533
00:29:11,040 --> 00:29:14,280
Speaker 7: Even if the film structurally doesn't quite work, I'm still

534
00:29:14,360 --> 00:29:17,200
Speaker 7: invested in this world and in these characters, and that's great.

535
00:29:17,520 --> 00:29:19,160
Speaker 7: I think if I take a step back as like

536
00:29:19,160 --> 00:29:22,080
Speaker 7: a person who loves video games haven't played this video game,

537
00:29:22,120 --> 00:29:24,840
Speaker 7: but I do love video game then for a long time, especially,

538
00:29:24,880 --> 00:29:29,080
Speaker 7: I think mid As kids were like, Hey, wouldn't it

539
00:29:29,080 --> 00:29:31,320
Speaker 7: be great if all these cut scenes were actually a movie.

540
00:29:31,520 --> 00:29:33,680
Speaker 7: That would be really exciting cut scenes look so cool?

541
00:29:34,000 --> 00:29:36,320
Speaker 7: Star Wars the Old Republic Knights of the Eternal Throne

542
00:29:36,480 --> 00:29:38,400
Speaker 7: did it and it was amazing. But they did it

543
00:29:38,440 --> 00:29:41,600
Speaker 7: really well because you didn't get a lot of vocal acting.

544
00:29:41,640 --> 00:29:43,560
Speaker 7: What it was was like, here are these really cool

545
00:29:43,600 --> 00:29:45,920
Speaker 7: characters you like in a very dope setting, giving you

546
00:29:45,960 --> 00:29:49,160
Speaker 7: emotional beat after emotional beat that you can understand that's

547
00:29:49,240 --> 00:29:53,520
Speaker 7: really intrinsic to the lore of Star Wars, and it

548
00:29:53,600 --> 00:29:54,480
Speaker 7: was fabulous.

549
00:29:54,800 --> 00:29:56,960
Speaker 4: I frequently rewatched this movie. It's so good.

550
00:29:57,800 --> 00:30:00,440
Speaker 7: I think our kne sort of struggled with bringing a

551
00:30:00,640 --> 00:30:03,200
Speaker 7: story to the forefront. Like they have the dope scenery,

552
00:30:03,320 --> 00:30:06,600
Speaker 7: they have amazing characters who you love, who are vibrant

553
00:30:06,600 --> 00:30:09,080
Speaker 7: and fun, but then when you put them on a story,

554
00:30:09,440 --> 00:30:12,680
Speaker 7: it's really difficult to you know, you gotta articulately, you

555
00:30:12,680 --> 00:30:14,400
Speaker 7: gotta be saying one thing. It's it's a lot of

556
00:30:14,400 --> 00:30:16,600
Speaker 7: effort and work, and I think they developed a really

557
00:30:16,600 --> 00:30:19,040
Speaker 7: good job with a lot of this, but like, my god,

558
00:30:19,520 --> 00:30:21,320
Speaker 7: you can't and I'm sorry, you can't put a music

559
00:30:21,360 --> 00:30:24,400
Speaker 7: video in every episode. It just completely derails the pacing time.

560
00:30:24,440 --> 00:30:26,240
Speaker 7: If they had just removed those, I have four extra

561
00:30:26,280 --> 00:30:29,400
Speaker 7: minutes in every single episode to tell story as opposed

562
00:30:29,400 --> 00:30:31,760
Speaker 7: to a montage of images. It's such a freaking train

563
00:30:31,800 --> 00:30:34,320
Speaker 7: wrecktor show. And the songs were not good enough to

564
00:30:34,360 --> 00:30:37,680
Speaker 7: support stopping the show to be like, oh, sometimes I'm sorry.

565
00:30:37,560 --> 00:30:41,040
Speaker 4: There's like two or three good songs arose. Yeah, but.

566
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Speaker 7: Missus iffy for me, and I think my biggest takeaway

567
00:30:46,480 --> 00:30:48,600
Speaker 7: if I were, you know, to come in and give

568
00:30:48,640 --> 00:30:51,600
Speaker 7: critique before finalization, I would say, you don't need every

569
00:30:51,640 --> 00:30:53,480
Speaker 7: sci fi trope in your final act.

570
00:30:53,720 --> 00:30:57,680
Speaker 4: We got robots, time travel, well.

571
00:30:57,600 --> 00:31:00,760
Speaker 7: Were some of the other Oh, we got multiverses, Like

572
00:31:00,800 --> 00:31:04,880
Speaker 7: it was just so much to shoehorn in four episodes,

573
00:31:04,920 --> 00:31:09,000
Speaker 7: and also you're introducing new characters across the final act

574
00:31:09,080 --> 00:31:12,320
Speaker 7: of see this the second season of the show, it

575
00:31:13,000 --> 00:31:15,960
Speaker 7: felt it was too much to juggle successfully. We could

576
00:31:16,000 --> 00:31:17,880
Speaker 7: never throw all of those elements in and have a

577
00:31:17,960 --> 00:31:21,720
Speaker 7: storyline that makes sense. I mean, and because it's so

578
00:31:21,720 --> 00:31:26,640
Speaker 7: close to everything we've already compared it to Marvel and Ultron,

579
00:31:26,800 --> 00:31:29,680
Speaker 7: but you could also do a Spider Man, especially because

580
00:31:29,720 --> 00:31:32,440
Speaker 7: Echo looks a lot like malth Rollison character designed like

581
00:31:32,440 --> 00:31:34,000
Speaker 7: every time something new came up, I was like, Oh,

582
00:31:34,040 --> 00:31:36,080
Speaker 7: it feels like you're just sort of tipping into this.

583
00:31:36,160 --> 00:31:38,600
Speaker 7: It felt like you were feeling a Netflix algorithm, which

584
00:31:38,600 --> 00:31:40,320
Speaker 7: I don't know if that's the case or not, but

585
00:31:40,360 --> 00:31:43,600
Speaker 7: that was really an issue for me. I'll say, like I,

586
00:31:43,680 --> 00:31:45,640
Speaker 7: this level of lesbians is what I demand from all

587
00:31:45,640 --> 00:31:49,240
Speaker 7: of my TV so Aces you really nailed it, but

588
00:31:49,280 --> 00:31:51,960
Speaker 7: I do think it suffered for that. But surprisingly I

589
00:31:52,040 --> 00:31:53,400
Speaker 7: could see myself rewatching this.

590
00:31:54,280 --> 00:31:56,880
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, I definitely think that. I also speaking for

591
00:31:57,000 --> 00:31:59,920
Speaker 3: sure speaking of tropes, I want to bring in Arrow

592
00:32:00,040 --> 00:32:06,120
Speaker 3: and Aaron give us your theory on how like how

593
00:32:06,520 --> 00:32:10,240
Speaker 3: we have Star Wars being done in our arcane.

594
00:32:10,320 --> 00:32:13,240
Speaker 6: Season two is basically the original trilogy of Star Wars.

595
00:32:13,960 --> 00:32:17,200
Speaker 6: Act one is episode four, Act two is episode five,

596
00:32:17,760 --> 00:32:21,120
Speaker 6: Act three is episode six, and I think everyone almost

597
00:32:21,320 --> 00:32:25,640
Speaker 6: entirely agrees that the strongest of the OG trilogy is Empire.

598
00:32:26,400 --> 00:32:28,560
Speaker 6: I think Act two was all of our favorite. We

599
00:32:29,320 --> 00:32:31,320
Speaker 6: had a lot of critiques at the end of Act

600
00:32:31,360 --> 00:32:33,520
Speaker 6: one and then Act two came in and we were like,

601
00:32:33,640 --> 00:32:36,720
Speaker 6: everything that we were worried about has been fixed. We

602
00:32:36,800 --> 00:32:41,200
Speaker 6: loved it the end with Warwick and the family coming together.

603
00:32:41,560 --> 00:32:44,160
Speaker 6: And then I think Act three had a lot of

604
00:32:44,200 --> 00:32:47,280
Speaker 6: resumes every empire. Yeah, and Act three had all this

605
00:32:47,440 --> 00:32:52,080
Speaker 6: resolution that was very nice and maybe not necessary. Also

606
00:32:52,120 --> 00:32:55,640
Speaker 6: we have like, you know, the bad guy saves like

607
00:32:55,720 --> 00:32:57,720
Speaker 6: turns around and saves the good guys.

608
00:32:58,280 --> 00:33:00,080
Speaker 1: Very Darth Empire.

609
00:33:00,040 --> 00:33:02,680
Speaker 6: But like there was a lot that just felt like

610
00:33:02,720 --> 00:33:07,320
Speaker 6: it resolved for the sake of resolving. And also Heimer

611
00:33:07,400 --> 00:33:10,120
Speaker 6: Dinger gets fridged in the beginning of Act three al

612
00:33:10,120 --> 00:33:12,720
Speaker 6: a Yoda, but you know, there's a lot there.

613
00:33:16,000 --> 00:33:20,200
Speaker 1: To die rather than just like can I just put

614
00:33:20,240 --> 00:33:21,360
Speaker 1: himself in the fridge?

615
00:33:21,920 --> 00:33:24,600
Speaker 4: All men who are like, I'm done, It's fine.

616
00:33:25,040 --> 00:33:25,960
Speaker 1: Oh that is true.

617
00:33:26,000 --> 00:33:30,680
Speaker 2: I'm also what about the reveal that we're listening to

618
00:33:30,800 --> 00:33:38,480
Speaker 2: a Heimer Dinger. Yeah, okay, wait a second, this is hydrogen.

619
00:33:39,600 --> 00:33:41,120
Speaker 1: The guitar that.

620
00:33:41,200 --> 00:33:44,200
Speaker 3: Is like, if you guys have not seen the James

621
00:33:44,240 --> 00:33:48,400
Speaker 3: Wand classic Aquaman, there is a similar visual musical gag

622
00:33:48,480 --> 00:33:52,040
Speaker 3: in that that literally just killed me and the and

623
00:33:52,120 --> 00:33:54,520
Speaker 3: in the movie when it in the movie that when

624
00:33:54,560 --> 00:33:57,360
Speaker 3: we realized that Heimerdinger was playing that guitar, I absolutely

625
00:33:57,440 --> 00:33:59,800
Speaker 3: lost my ship, Like that is one of the best

626
00:34:00,280 --> 00:34:02,840
Speaker 3: for me, okay a boo. I just want to know,

627
00:34:02,920 --> 00:34:06,400
Speaker 3: like what you are the one who like understands this

628
00:34:06,480 --> 00:34:08,960
Speaker 3: world the most, I think, and like, what are the

629
00:34:09,040 --> 00:34:11,279
Speaker 3: stories you want to see coming out of this? Now

630
00:34:11,320 --> 00:34:13,120
Speaker 3: we're here, now we're at the end, and we know

631
00:34:13,200 --> 00:34:15,480
Speaker 3: there's going to be more shows. What do you think

632
00:34:15,560 --> 00:34:18,240
Speaker 3: are the most likely things we're going to see coming

633
00:34:18,239 --> 00:34:20,760
Speaker 3: out of this and what do you personally want to see?

634
00:34:21,000 --> 00:34:23,080
Speaker 5: Well, I think Jason, you put it perfectly. As someone

635
00:34:23,120 --> 00:34:27,359
Speaker 5: who loved both seasons of Arcane, I am still walking

636
00:34:27,400 --> 00:34:30,400
Speaker 5: away from episode nine going ugh, I wanted more, Where's

637
00:34:30,440 --> 00:34:33,759
Speaker 5: the rest of it? And I think that some of

638
00:34:33,800 --> 00:34:38,160
Speaker 5: that is very intentional. Naxis, for example, is almost guaranteed

639
00:34:38,600 --> 00:34:40,440
Speaker 5: going to be a part of this universe we're going

640
00:34:40,480 --> 00:34:45,520
Speaker 5: to explore further. In fact, I think Mel's storyline was

641
00:34:45,600 --> 00:34:50,120
Speaker 5: one that I was wanting left wanting with this that

642
00:34:50,200 --> 00:34:53,160
Speaker 5: was kind of the point next season because it felt.

643
00:34:53,000 --> 00:34:54,920
Speaker 3: That feels like an obvious spill.

644
00:34:55,200 --> 00:34:58,239
Speaker 6: It feels like mostly storyline was put in here to

645
00:34:59,239 --> 00:35:00,239
Speaker 6: introduce us the.

646
00:35:00,239 --> 00:35:01,759
Speaker 5: Next show, to set up Axis.

647
00:35:03,200 --> 00:35:05,719
Speaker 3: Naxis show the showrunner, who's also one of the co

648
00:35:05,800 --> 00:35:09,280
Speaker 3: creators a Christian link from Riot Games. He did say

649
00:35:09,960 --> 00:35:14,600
Speaker 3: that in upcoming shows it will be nooxus Ionia and

650
00:35:14,719 --> 00:35:16,719
Speaker 3: Dematia are the places they want to explore. And I

651
00:35:16,719 --> 00:35:21,160
Speaker 3: think obviously a mal show, Naxia show, a Naxist show

652
00:35:21,239 --> 00:35:24,200
Speaker 3: that that seems like the obvious first stop for what

653
00:35:24,239 --> 00:35:25,040
Speaker 3: they would do next.

654
00:35:25,480 --> 00:35:27,839
Speaker 5: I think so too. There's also a couple of other

655
00:35:27,960 --> 00:35:31,200
Speaker 5: easter eggs that I was finding. Again I have to

656
00:35:31,239 --> 00:35:33,440
Speaker 5: credit mostly Twitter and Reddit for this. I have not

657
00:35:33,480 --> 00:35:35,759
Speaker 5: played League of Legends in like over a decade, so

658
00:35:36,280 --> 00:35:38,279
Speaker 5: my knowledge is very out of date. But at the

659
00:35:38,440 --> 00:35:41,920
Speaker 5: end we see like the three eyed Raven not brand

660
00:35:42,040 --> 00:35:47,200
Speaker 5: that's actually hints towards another character, another hint toward a potential,

661
00:35:47,360 --> 00:35:49,040
Speaker 5: huge popular League of Legends character that.

662
00:35:49,040 --> 00:35:50,000
Speaker 3: Might show up in the future.

663
00:35:50,320 --> 00:35:53,120
Speaker 5: So I think a lot of this season airing to

664
00:35:53,160 --> 00:35:56,399
Speaker 5: your point, especially with mel was seating like a League

665
00:35:56,440 --> 00:36:00,799
Speaker 5: of Legends cinematic universe, television universe of sorts.

666
00:36:01,600 --> 00:36:04,200
Speaker 6: Helped by the fact that they don't show Jinx's body,

667
00:36:04,239 --> 00:36:07,480
Speaker 6: they don't show Jason Victor's body, Heimerdinger's body, like they're

668
00:36:07,520 --> 00:36:09,880
Speaker 6: all out there, right, they can come back.

669
00:36:09,719 --> 00:36:12,480
Speaker 2: For and again once they figured out how to budget

670
00:36:12,600 --> 00:36:14,320
Speaker 2: a show responsibly.

671
00:36:14,400 --> 00:36:18,040
Speaker 3: That was certainly I'm gonna look, I'm gonna say one thing. Yeah,

672
00:36:18,200 --> 00:36:20,040
Speaker 3: then this is They've said this a lot. They said

673
00:36:20,040 --> 00:36:22,080
Speaker 3: it at the premiere. I was actually very impressed by

674
00:36:22,080 --> 00:36:23,960
Speaker 3: how they came on stage of the premier and they

675
00:36:23,960 --> 00:36:26,719
Speaker 3: were like, yeah that article where they said we didn't

676
00:36:26,719 --> 00:36:28,919
Speaker 3: know what we were doing, we didn't And I was like, wow,

677
00:36:28,960 --> 00:36:31,000
Speaker 3: I think I love you guys. And then today I

678
00:36:31,040 --> 00:36:34,200
Speaker 3: was actually speaking to Christian Link for an IgM feature

679
00:36:34,200 --> 00:36:37,880
Speaker 3: that I'm doing, and he was saying, you know, honestly,

680
00:36:38,040 --> 00:36:41,120
Speaker 3: like the money all went to the animators, and they

681
00:36:41,120 --> 00:36:43,040
Speaker 3: want to keep making shows where the money goes to

682
00:36:43,120 --> 00:36:44,960
Speaker 3: the art. And I'm like, you know what, I want

683
00:36:44,960 --> 00:36:46,879
Speaker 3: you to have a better budget, but I also want

684
00:36:46,920 --> 00:36:50,080
Speaker 3: that mentality to be an animation and I want it.

685
00:36:50,200 --> 00:36:52,360
Speaker 3: I want people to keep getting paid. So I'm like,

686
00:36:52,400 --> 00:36:53,240
Speaker 3: can we do both?

687
00:36:53,520 --> 00:36:56,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, I listen. I love that sentiment. I also feel

688
00:36:57,000 --> 00:37:00,560
Speaker 2: like in Hollywood and entertainment and tech whatever, or when

689
00:37:00,560 --> 00:37:03,279
Speaker 2: people say, oh, the money's going to the workers, I

690
00:37:03,320 --> 00:37:08,120
Speaker 2: want the receipts. So while I I tip my hat

691
00:37:07,560 --> 00:37:13,799
Speaker 2: to that, the significance of that. I also want to

692
00:37:13,840 --> 00:37:16,480
Speaker 2: know if that's true, because I kind of don't believe

693
00:37:16,520 --> 00:37:19,759
Speaker 2: it one hundred percent. And this is also a world

694
00:37:19,760 --> 00:37:23,600
Speaker 2: in which Blue Eye Samurai exists and is similarly as

695
00:37:23,880 --> 00:37:27,680
Speaker 2: excellent visually and didn't cost a quarter of a fucking

696
00:37:27,680 --> 00:37:28,440
Speaker 2: billion dollars.

697
00:37:28,520 --> 00:37:30,960
Speaker 3: Very true. I will also say I do wonder if

698
00:37:31,000 --> 00:37:32,880
Speaker 3: part of the reason the money went to the animation

699
00:37:33,000 --> 00:37:35,759
Speaker 3: team and the people who created the visual language. It's

700
00:37:35,760 --> 00:37:38,880
Speaker 3: a French company, and I feel like the protections there,

701
00:37:38,920 --> 00:37:41,760
Speaker 3: like for Fortish and for those French workers, is probably

702
00:37:41,840 --> 00:37:44,719
Speaker 3: much higher, and as is probably the quality of life

703
00:37:44,760 --> 00:37:46,680
Speaker 3: from what we've heard of some of the FOURTIESH team.

704
00:37:46,960 --> 00:37:48,840
Speaker 3: But yeah, I mean I want them to learn how

705
00:37:48,880 --> 00:37:50,959
Speaker 3: to budget because I want to see loads more shows

706
00:37:50,960 --> 00:37:53,719
Speaker 3: in this universe. I also want to see, like I

707
00:37:53,760 --> 00:37:55,600
Speaker 3: always do, I want to know, like what does the

708
00:37:55,640 --> 00:37:58,360
Speaker 3: show look like when it has a budget closer to

709
00:37:58,719 --> 00:38:00,680
Speaker 3: Blue Eyed Samurai. What is it look like when you

710
00:38:00,760 --> 00:38:03,239
Speaker 3: let somebody who loves two D animation take it over?

711
00:38:03,320 --> 00:38:04,160
Speaker 1: What does it look like?

712
00:38:04,280 --> 00:38:07,120
Speaker 3: This has been a space for experimental animation, and I

713
00:38:07,120 --> 00:38:10,560
Speaker 3: would actually love to see each show have as much

714
00:38:10,600 --> 00:38:15,160
Speaker 3: of a unique visual language as Archett.

715
00:38:15,160 --> 00:38:18,760
Speaker 6: That's something I really agree with Rosie, Like they proved

716
00:38:18,960 --> 00:38:22,280
Speaker 6: so many times that they could do alternate animation styles

717
00:38:22,320 --> 00:38:23,400
Speaker 6: throughout this season.

718
00:38:23,640 --> 00:38:25,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, take that and run with it.

719
00:38:25,760 --> 00:38:28,560
Speaker 6: Don't feel every single show you put in this universe

720
00:38:28,640 --> 00:38:31,360
Speaker 6: has to have the exact same look as this, especially

721
00:38:31,360 --> 00:38:33,120
Speaker 6: if it's gonna cost a billion dollars.

722
00:38:33,320 --> 00:38:35,640
Speaker 3: Imagine if him Dinger is in like a two D

723
00:38:35,800 --> 00:38:37,520
Speaker 3: one of Us, because he looks like a two D

724
00:38:37,640 --> 00:38:39,879
Speaker 3: Disney creature, Like, I want to see that. And also

725
00:38:40,239 --> 00:38:43,480
Speaker 3: I would add, honestly, just take Ja like a maybe

726
00:38:43,480 --> 00:38:45,719
Speaker 3: a movie or like a mini series with like a

727
00:38:45,760 --> 00:38:48,799
Speaker 3: couple of episodes like in and intermedia episodes that we

728
00:38:48,880 --> 00:38:50,719
Speaker 3: got a lot during COVID where it's kind of not

729
00:38:50,800 --> 00:38:54,000
Speaker 3: a full season of just like Jason Victor in that

730
00:38:54,120 --> 00:38:58,120
Speaker 3: kind of galactic arcade space. Okay. Also, big question I

731
00:38:58,200 --> 00:38:59,920
Speaker 3: had after coming out of this. Now, I've done my

732
00:39:00,120 --> 00:39:05,840
Speaker 3: research and I understand more what arcane as like magic

733
00:39:06,000 --> 00:39:08,040
Speaker 3: means in this world. But did you feel like you

734
00:39:08,080 --> 00:39:10,200
Speaker 3: guys understood what the arcane was by the end.

735
00:39:10,200 --> 00:39:10,759
Speaker 1: Absolutely.

736
00:39:14,600 --> 00:39:17,080
Speaker 2: I think it's some sort of like a nexus or

737
00:39:17,120 --> 00:39:20,600
Speaker 2: a portal thing, but I don't really know.

738
00:39:21,080 --> 00:39:23,839
Speaker 3: They believe in like an arcane magic in this world

739
00:39:23,880 --> 00:39:26,640
Speaker 3: and arcane is about that kind of ancient magic with

740
00:39:26,760 --> 00:39:30,839
Speaker 3: a with a less modern understanding. But I did think

741
00:39:30,880 --> 00:39:32,879
Speaker 3: it was really funny. I was actually by the end,

742
00:39:32,920 --> 00:39:35,240
Speaker 3: I was like, this is such a great like fuck

743
00:39:35,280 --> 00:39:38,400
Speaker 3: you to everything you learn about storytelling in TV, because like,

744
00:39:38,640 --> 00:39:40,920
Speaker 3: nobody knows what that means, even if you're the biggest

745
00:39:40,960 --> 00:39:45,120
Speaker 3: deepest arcane kind of lover or League of Legends. Aboo,

746
00:39:45,280 --> 00:39:47,400
Speaker 3: what do you think about the arcane? Like do you

747
00:39:47,480 --> 00:39:49,680
Speaker 3: feel like that's like a mystery to be solved? Do

748
00:39:49,719 --> 00:39:52,319
Speaker 3: you feel like they want you to look into what

749
00:39:52,480 --> 00:39:54,520
Speaker 3: that term means within the games? Like how do you

750
00:39:54,520 --> 00:39:55,680
Speaker 3: feel about that part of it?

751
00:39:56,080 --> 00:39:58,000
Speaker 5: No, I don't think it's a mystery to be solved

752
00:39:58,040 --> 00:40:01,600
Speaker 5: at all, And I think expecting at all to ever

753
00:40:01,680 --> 00:40:03,960
Speaker 5: get answers about what the hurricane is is going to

754
00:40:04,040 --> 00:40:05,000
Speaker 5: leave you disappointed.

755
00:40:05,160 --> 00:40:08,480
Speaker 3: I love that we need more mysteries like that in

756
00:40:08,760 --> 00:40:10,200
Speaker 3: fiction and in life.

757
00:40:10,440 --> 00:40:13,440
Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean, I in fact, I don't I quite

758
00:40:13,760 --> 00:40:15,160
Speaker 5: I don't mind it. You know, I don't want like

759
00:40:15,200 --> 00:40:17,640
Speaker 5: a midi chlorine explanation of what the arcane is. I'm

760
00:40:17,680 --> 00:40:21,239
Speaker 5: fine with it being this wild, unreliable, magical catch all

761
00:40:21,280 --> 00:40:22,840
Speaker 5: that lets them do whatever the first.

762
00:40:22,600 --> 00:40:26,840
Speaker 4: They want they want, you know, it keeps you with

763
00:40:26,840 --> 00:40:27,240
Speaker 4: the character.

764
00:40:27,360 --> 00:40:28,800
Speaker 5: I'm fine with the arcane being elusive.

765
00:40:28,840 --> 00:40:29,680
Speaker 4: They don't know what it is.

766
00:40:29,920 --> 00:40:32,640
Speaker 7: You don't know what it is, but it's impacting their world. Bam,

767
00:40:32,680 --> 00:40:34,920
Speaker 7: great mcguffin set.

768
00:40:34,719 --> 00:40:35,040
Speaker 4: Let's go.

769
00:40:37,320 --> 00:40:41,120
Speaker 6: Yes, speaking of characters, Jason, I think you need to

770
00:40:41,160 --> 00:40:41,880
Speaker 6: talk about Echo.

771
00:40:43,880 --> 00:40:46,360
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, yeah, yeah yeah, let's let's talk about Echo.

772
00:40:46,400 --> 00:40:47,239
Speaker 3: What do you feel like?

773
00:40:47,640 --> 00:40:47,719
Speaker 2: What?

774
00:40:47,920 --> 00:40:50,360
Speaker 3: Easily one of my favorite characters coming out of this

775
00:40:50,440 --> 00:40:53,359
Speaker 3: final seasons, but I felt like I'd missed like three

776
00:40:53,400 --> 00:40:55,799
Speaker 3: episodes or something like I didn't. I had to come

777
00:40:55,800 --> 00:40:58,640
Speaker 3: into the group chat and be like, so am I

778
00:40:58,840 --> 00:41:01,360
Speaker 3: like not up to there? Like one another.

779
00:41:01,239 --> 00:41:03,200
Speaker 5: Character who I think is getting his own show and

780
00:41:03,320 --> 00:41:06,040
Speaker 5: is intentionally why he got hero moments and.

781
00:41:06,680 --> 00:41:09,719
Speaker 2: Absolutely should because it just felt like so rich and

782
00:41:09,800 --> 00:41:13,400
Speaker 2: resonant when we when it really got moving in episode

783
00:41:13,440 --> 00:41:17,160
Speaker 2: eight with Echo's plot, I will say, you know, I

784
00:41:17,280 --> 00:41:21,319
Speaker 2: was like severely thrown when I put on episode seven

785
00:41:21,360 --> 00:41:23,560
Speaker 2: and I was like, yes, did I miss an episode?

786
00:41:23,600 --> 00:41:27,160
Speaker 2: Like what the fuck is happening? And it's not just

787
00:41:27,320 --> 00:41:32,160
Speaker 2: like the alternate universe stuff, It's that it seemed like

788
00:41:32,360 --> 00:41:38,120
Speaker 2: Echo and Powder Slash Jinks had a relationship that seemed

789
00:41:38,120 --> 00:41:41,120
Speaker 2: to me to like be based on stuff that I

790
00:41:41,280 --> 00:41:43,800
Speaker 2: had not seen and that I felt like I had missed.

791
00:41:44,480 --> 00:41:48,120
Speaker 2: And I mean, this is one of the examples of

792
00:41:48,200 --> 00:41:52,480
Speaker 2: the things that ultimately the show overcomes that, but that

793
00:41:52,480 --> 00:41:55,200
Speaker 2: that was specifically a moment that left me feeling like

794
00:41:55,280 --> 00:42:01,480
Speaker 2: and especially as Jinks as excuse me as echoes, you know,

795
00:42:01,600 --> 00:42:05,440
Speaker 2: skills and actions become crucial to turning the tide of

796
00:42:05,960 --> 00:42:12,160
Speaker 2: the conflict. It it it just felt like specifically that

797
00:42:13,480 --> 00:42:15,960
Speaker 2: I wanted I wanted more of it, Like where was

798
00:42:16,000 --> 00:42:18,719
Speaker 2: the rest of it? Where was that backstory? Like does

799
00:42:18,760 --> 00:42:22,200
Speaker 2: that exist anywhere? I want to know the basis of

800
00:42:23,200 --> 00:42:28,200
Speaker 2: those feelings between uh Echo and Powder. It's like that

801
00:42:28,400 --> 00:42:32,000
Speaker 2: is it? You know, there's certain like emotional motivational things

802
00:42:32,040 --> 00:42:35,680
Speaker 2: that I don't like Jace. What does Jace care about?

803
00:42:35,719 --> 00:42:38,160
Speaker 2: I don't actually know, and I don't give a shitt

804
00:42:38,840 --> 00:42:41,759
Speaker 2: that's it he cares about to the extent that it's like,

805
00:42:42,360 --> 00:42:46,279
Speaker 2: we need to stop Hexsteck, bro Hextech. The fucking barn

806
00:42:46,360 --> 00:42:49,640
Speaker 2: doors are open and Hexteck is running across the fields,

807
00:42:49,680 --> 00:42:52,160
Speaker 2: Like why are you still caring about stopping Hexteck?

808
00:42:52,239 --> 00:42:52,480
Speaker 3: Now you.

809
00:42:55,800 --> 00:42:59,280
Speaker 2: Fucking way past time that you stop caring about stopping

810
00:42:59,360 --> 00:43:00,720
Speaker 2: hexs deck just over.

811
00:43:00,640 --> 00:43:04,120
Speaker 3: Feel accountable to yourself. You were the way you started this, bro.

812
00:43:04,200 --> 00:43:08,400
Speaker 2: But with you know, when episode seven got underway and

813
00:43:08,440 --> 00:43:12,600
Speaker 2: then Echo and then it became clear what Echo's plan was,

814
00:43:13,440 --> 00:43:16,319
Speaker 2: I was just like, man, where has Echo been this

815
00:43:16,360 --> 00:43:21,200
Speaker 2: whole time? I feel like that's to me, the one

816
00:43:21,320 --> 00:43:24,680
Speaker 2: character where I'm just like criminally criminally low levels.

817
00:43:24,800 --> 00:43:26,840
Speaker 3: I went back to season one because I was like,

818
00:43:26,880 --> 00:43:29,799
Speaker 3: wait a minute, did I miss this being seeded? Then

819
00:43:29,840 --> 00:43:32,880
Speaker 3: I will say I did ask about this. It's in

820
00:43:32,920 --> 00:43:37,120
Speaker 3: the ign thing. But like that specific thing, that was

821
00:43:37,160 --> 00:43:39,239
Speaker 3: something that Christian told me, and I think this is

822
00:43:39,280 --> 00:43:43,040
Speaker 3: something that makes Arcane unusual for better for worse. Whatever

823
00:43:43,280 --> 00:43:44,960
Speaker 3: he did tell me, he was like, that was just

824
00:43:44,960 --> 00:43:47,479
Speaker 3: a storyline they wanted to see. So they just wanted

825
00:43:47,480 --> 00:43:49,240
Speaker 3: to see what happened with these characters in that world.

826
00:43:49,320 --> 00:43:51,319
Speaker 3: And I think in a way that is what made

827
00:43:51,320 --> 00:43:54,680
Speaker 3: the show so widely accessible because it does tap into

828
00:43:54,760 --> 00:43:56,960
Speaker 3: this notion of like, well, what if we just did this,

829
00:43:57,080 --> 00:43:57,840
Speaker 3: Like the show.

830
00:43:57,680 --> 00:44:01,239
Speaker 2: Doesn't, Here's here's what really works about. There's a lot

831
00:44:01,280 --> 00:44:03,879
Speaker 2: of things that really work, But to me, character wise,

832
00:44:03,960 --> 00:44:09,400
Speaker 2: what really works about this show is it's operatically a

833
00:44:09,520 --> 00:44:16,520
Speaker 2: soap like. It's so high opera like and it totally

834
00:44:16,640 --> 00:44:20,000
Speaker 2: commits to shit, like, hey, what if these two actually

835
00:44:20,080 --> 00:44:22,600
Speaker 2: you're deeply in love in this like altered universe and

836
00:44:22,640 --> 00:44:24,799
Speaker 2: we've we're just gonna throw that out there.

837
00:44:25,440 --> 00:44:28,200
Speaker 3: Yeah exactly, Like, well if you it's very soap opera

838
00:44:28,200 --> 00:44:30,719
Speaker 3: because it does feel like one of those episodes of

839
00:44:30,760 --> 00:44:33,160
Speaker 3: like Days of Our Lives where something completely crazy would

840
00:44:33,200 --> 00:44:35,000
Speaker 3: happen and then at the end they'd be like it

841
00:44:35,040 --> 00:44:37,239
Speaker 3: was all a dream and you're just like, well, I

842
00:44:37,320 --> 00:44:40,439
Speaker 3: love getting this like fan pic episode where you kind

843
00:44:40,480 --> 00:44:44,640
Speaker 3: of get to explore this nice version of this fucked

844
00:44:44,680 --> 00:44:45,200
Speaker 3: up well.

845
00:44:45,080 --> 00:44:46,319
Speaker 2: And I love that about it.

846
00:44:46,360 --> 00:44:46,480
Speaker 3: Now.

847
00:44:46,719 --> 00:44:49,520
Speaker 2: It does leave me wanting a lot more, particularly from Echo,

848
00:44:49,560 --> 00:44:51,640
Speaker 2: but there are little moments like that all throughout this,

849
00:44:51,800 --> 00:44:56,360
Speaker 2: like when Kate is talking about Junior Officer Maddy Nolan

850
00:44:57,040 --> 00:45:00,880
Speaker 2: and is like, yeah, that was fun dub like she

851
00:45:01,120 --> 00:45:03,719
Speaker 2: was I was just you know, I was just with

852
00:45:03,760 --> 00:45:07,680
Speaker 2: her and believing every fucking terrible fascistic thing that she

853
00:45:08,360 --> 00:45:10,640
Speaker 2: that she was espousing, and honestly I was doing it

854
00:45:10,680 --> 00:45:13,120
Speaker 2: for the sex, you know, Like yeah, I was like

855
00:45:13,480 --> 00:45:16,280
Speaker 2: it's those kind of moments that are great, but yeah,

856
00:45:16,360 --> 00:45:19,400
Speaker 2: it's like Echo more and more, Echo, Please.

857
00:45:20,200 --> 00:45:22,200
Speaker 6: When we did the rewatch of season one on extras,

858
00:45:22,239 --> 00:45:23,640
Speaker 6: A Boo and I and I think this was the

859
00:45:23,680 --> 00:45:25,720
Speaker 6: episode you were on, Rosie, we talked about the bridge

860
00:45:25,719 --> 00:45:28,520
Speaker 6: fight with Echo and Jinx and how it was this

861
00:45:28,560 --> 00:45:32,440
Speaker 6: beautiful recreation of them having a fight, like playing as kids.

862
00:45:32,840 --> 00:45:35,000
Speaker 6: But I was like, we didn't get that when they

863
00:45:35,000 --> 00:45:38,200
Speaker 6: were actually kids. And I wonder now if we had

864
00:45:38,440 --> 00:45:41,839
Speaker 6: replaced Milo and Clagger as much as I love them

865
00:45:42,280 --> 00:45:45,520
Speaker 6: with Echo early on and we got all that time

866
00:45:45,560 --> 00:45:47,880
Speaker 6: with Echo. I mean, Echo's the one who found the job.

867
00:45:47,960 --> 00:45:50,040
Speaker 6: We know that Echo could have gone on the job

868
00:45:50,080 --> 00:45:52,000
Speaker 6: with them and we could have gotten all this time.

869
00:45:52,040 --> 00:45:54,480
Speaker 6: I just wanted Echo and Powder like running around in

870
00:45:54,520 --> 00:45:56,600
Speaker 6: the background building stuff together.

871
00:45:56,719 --> 00:45:58,440
Speaker 1: Give me something like that exactly.

872
00:45:58,920 --> 00:46:01,920
Speaker 3: I did go back and was like, this was not seated.

873
00:46:01,960 --> 00:46:02,680
Speaker 3: I didn't miss it.

874
00:46:02,920 --> 00:46:03,640
Speaker 1: But I have to.

875
00:46:03,560 --> 00:46:05,880
Speaker 3: Say again, and I don't think I'm alone. I think

876
00:46:05,880 --> 00:46:08,880
Speaker 3: we're talking about this before we started recording. Episode seven

877
00:46:08,960 --> 00:46:11,160
Speaker 3: is probably gonna be the episode I rewatched the most

878
00:46:11,160 --> 00:46:14,160
Speaker 3: because it's just so beautiful to be in that Zorn

879
00:46:14,400 --> 00:46:17,640
Speaker 3: space and in this different vision of it and to

880
00:46:17,719 --> 00:46:20,360
Speaker 3: get to see Powder and to kind of get to

881
00:46:20,400 --> 00:46:22,920
Speaker 3: see what that world might have looked like. And I

882
00:46:22,920 --> 00:46:25,080
Speaker 3: think a lot of fans felt that way, So that

883
00:46:25,160 --> 00:46:28,000
Speaker 3: in itself, I guess, is a hint of like maybe

884
00:46:28,040 --> 00:46:30,400
Speaker 3: there is a world where we could have had a

885
00:46:30,400 --> 00:46:33,160
Speaker 3: whole season of that if this show had had five seasons.

886
00:46:33,160 --> 00:46:34,360
Speaker 3: You know, a boo, what do you think?

887
00:46:35,000 --> 00:46:37,680
Speaker 5: I also wanted to shout out the visual storytelling in

888
00:46:37,760 --> 00:46:40,120
Speaker 5: episode seven in particular, because I think there's a lot

889
00:46:40,160 --> 00:46:43,600
Speaker 5: of perhaps I texted to you this to you guys earlier,

890
00:46:43,680 --> 00:46:45,960
Speaker 5: perhaps too much showing and not enough telling, But like

891
00:46:46,719 --> 00:46:51,719
Speaker 5: there's a lot of really excellent, subtle visual storytelling. There's

892
00:46:51,719 --> 00:46:54,319
Speaker 5: some obvious ones. For example, Powder has a streak of

893
00:46:54,320 --> 00:46:58,800
Speaker 5: pink and her hair yes bye bye. Vander has a

894
00:46:58,880 --> 00:47:00,920
Speaker 5: Vye tattoo on his wrist. If you like pause at

895
00:47:00,960 --> 00:47:04,319
Speaker 5: a certain moment, you can see it. There's all these

896
00:47:04,320 --> 00:47:07,800
Speaker 5: really excellent I mean, she's wearing the jacket. Powder is

897
00:47:07,800 --> 00:47:10,839
Speaker 5: also wearing, like the necklace thing and the jacket that

898
00:47:10,920 --> 00:47:13,640
Speaker 5: like Young Vie we saw all the way back in

899
00:47:13,640 --> 00:47:17,440
Speaker 5: like season one, episode one was wearing. And I think

900
00:47:17,480 --> 00:47:20,000
Speaker 5: one of my favorite details, like I loved the dance

901
00:47:20,040 --> 00:47:22,320
Speaker 5: I got like really emotional during the slow mo dance,

902
00:47:22,880 --> 00:47:27,360
Speaker 5: and of course Twitter, the Twitter salutes out there realized

903
00:47:27,400 --> 00:47:30,960
Speaker 5: that the dance is shot at four frames per second,

904
00:47:31,000 --> 00:47:33,560
Speaker 5: which we know four seconds is the limit to echoes

905
00:47:33,600 --> 00:47:34,240
Speaker 5: time travel.

906
00:47:34,560 --> 00:47:36,960
Speaker 3: Also, as I would say, this show is definitely made.

907
00:47:37,760 --> 00:47:39,520
Speaker 3: This is like if you are the kind of person

908
00:47:39,520 --> 00:47:42,000
Speaker 3: who when the MCU films come out and you have

909
00:47:42,040 --> 00:47:44,120
Speaker 3: to go through and pause and be finding all the

910
00:47:44,160 --> 00:47:47,239
Speaker 3: different dates and like Stanley's birthday is like on a

911
00:47:47,280 --> 00:47:50,960
Speaker 3: screen during this. This is a show for that in

912
00:47:51,000 --> 00:47:53,319
Speaker 3: a way that I think is even more pleasant and

913
00:47:53,360 --> 00:47:54,960
Speaker 3: pleasurable because it looks so good.

914
00:47:55,040 --> 00:48:11,640
Speaker 1: We'll be right back up for quick brick and we're back.

915
00:48:11,719 --> 00:48:14,160
Speaker 3: Okay, guys, Aaron put a great question in the notes.

916
00:48:14,200 --> 00:48:15,640
Speaker 3: I want to ask you this because I think there's

917
00:48:15,640 --> 00:48:17,719
Speaker 3: a lot of fun to be had here. If you

918
00:48:17,760 --> 00:48:21,680
Speaker 3: are playing League of Legends now and you're playing solely

919
00:48:21,719 --> 00:48:23,920
Speaker 3: from characters who are in the show, who is your

920
00:48:24,000 --> 00:48:26,520
Speaker 3: main gonna be as we go off into this. Mine

921
00:48:26,560 --> 00:48:27,960
Speaker 3: is going to be hymendinga.

922
00:48:29,520 --> 00:48:30,360
Speaker 1: Playing guitar.

923
00:48:30,440 --> 00:48:36,600
Speaker 2: Baby, I'm playing a little guyers off the board go

924
00:48:36,640 --> 00:48:37,040
Speaker 2: from there?

925
00:48:37,200 --> 00:48:39,960
Speaker 1: Oh no, we can't, guys, I don't have to get

926
00:48:40,000 --> 00:48:40,879
Speaker 1: my little guy. I can't pick.

927
00:48:42,840 --> 00:48:43,879
Speaker 3: Okay, Aaron, who's yours?

928
00:48:43,920 --> 00:48:48,160
Speaker 1: Then I'm gonna go with you. You all know how

929
00:48:48,239 --> 00:48:49,000
Speaker 1: much I love Jace.

930
00:48:49,239 --> 00:48:53,000
Speaker 6: Just kidding, Hey, Jase, I'm gonna go the Violet, you know, like,

931
00:48:53,200 --> 00:48:57,239
Speaker 6: I think there's something beautiful about how her character. My

932
00:48:57,400 --> 00:48:59,680
Speaker 6: favorite parts of the show were the street level, the

933
00:48:59,719 --> 00:49:02,320
Speaker 6: ground elements. This is like Violet is kind of the

934
00:49:02,400 --> 00:49:06,200
Speaker 6: Daredevil with like this is a street brawler the entire time,

935
00:49:06,360 --> 00:49:09,840
Speaker 6: and my favorite actual scene in the whole thing was

936
00:49:09,840 --> 00:49:13,480
Speaker 6: a zero gravity fight where Jinx is propelling herself using

937
00:49:13,520 --> 00:49:16,560
Speaker 6: the minigun and Violet's propelling herself using the gauntlets, so

938
00:49:17,040 --> 00:49:19,040
Speaker 6: you got a little mobility and a little bit of

939
00:49:19,120 --> 00:49:20,640
Speaker 6: damage dealing. I'm gonna go with Violet.

940
00:49:21,200 --> 00:49:22,920
Speaker 1: Jason, I will pick.

941
00:49:23,280 --> 00:49:25,640
Speaker 2: I wanted to be cheeky and say Laura's the shield

942
00:49:25,680 --> 00:49:26,680
Speaker 2: guy because.

943
00:49:28,880 --> 00:49:33,160
Speaker 3: He's like the sickest Bram you could ever imagine, because

944
00:49:33,800 --> 00:49:38,120
Speaker 3: Vi says his name in this chapter, which I was delighted.

945
00:49:39,040 --> 00:49:40,799
Speaker 1: But I'm gonna pick because we actually have.

946
00:49:40,800 --> 00:49:43,400
Speaker 2: No idea if he's any good, you know, from anything

947
00:49:43,400 --> 00:49:47,440
Speaker 2: we've seen. I would pick am Bessa because because I

948
00:49:47,560 --> 00:49:51,719
Speaker 2: like her, he seems so overpowered and I don't. I've

949
00:49:51,800 --> 00:49:54,480
Speaker 2: never played League. I played a little Storecraft, which I

950
00:49:54,520 --> 00:49:57,919
Speaker 2: think is semi similar in terms of genre. So I'm

951
00:49:57,960 --> 00:50:01,960
Speaker 2: just guessing that am Bessa would be super super OK.

952
00:50:02,120 --> 00:50:04,359
Speaker 4: What I'm calling Jason mom, because I'm going with Mel.

953
00:50:05,080 --> 00:50:10,640
Speaker 7: I love a witch, I love a spellcaster, I love goods,

954
00:50:10,719 --> 00:50:14,040
Speaker 7: and she's got sixteen different great outfits throughout this show.

955
00:50:14,800 --> 00:50:18,919
Speaker 3: Hair, every time you do, like supero, whatever, she's gonna

956
00:50:18,920 --> 00:50:20,440
Speaker 3: have a fantastic I would like.

957
00:50:20,360 --> 00:50:25,280
Speaker 7: Her sailor moon transformation animation when I level up or whatever.

958
00:50:25,400 --> 00:50:26,640
Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm definitely playing a smell.

959
00:50:27,800 --> 00:50:30,160
Speaker 6: I have to admit I wanted to pick Mel Joel,

960
00:50:30,320 --> 00:50:34,560
Speaker 6: but I knew that if I did.

961
00:50:32,680 --> 00:50:33,840
Speaker 1: I would be in trouble.

962
00:50:33,920 --> 00:50:38,359
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's true, that's true friendship in the poll, boo,

963
00:50:38,400 --> 00:50:39,000
Speaker 3: how about you?

964
00:50:40,320 --> 00:50:42,640
Speaker 5: Not only did did Jason take my Laura's ship, but

965
00:50:42,680 --> 00:50:46,320
Speaker 5: he also took my ASTO pick. So I'm gonna pivot

966
00:50:46,480 --> 00:50:47,719
Speaker 5: last minute to.

967
00:50:49,719 --> 00:50:50,840
Speaker 1: Echo, oh nice.

968
00:50:51,800 --> 00:50:55,000
Speaker 5: I mean the skateboard, the cover skateboard, the sword, the

969
00:50:55,040 --> 00:50:59,120
Speaker 5: time travel power, everything about him is like the kind

970
00:50:59,120 --> 00:51:01,239
Speaker 5: of cool I wished I could be as a kid.

971
00:51:01,280 --> 00:51:04,360
Speaker 6: And Carmen just typed into the chat. Carmen said she

972
00:51:04,400 --> 00:51:06,480
Speaker 6: would take Junior officer Maddy Nolan.

973
00:51:14,320 --> 00:51:17,360
Speaker 3: Carmen said, Hey, cab Carmen said, do not put me

974
00:51:17,440 --> 00:51:22,080
Speaker 3: down like that. Dude. Aaron is shading everyone today because

975
00:51:22,120 --> 00:51:23,920
Speaker 3: Aaron also wrote that a Boo was going to pick

976
00:51:24,040 --> 00:51:25,080
Speaker 3: Jase before I.

977
00:51:29,480 --> 00:51:29,560
Speaker 7: Do.

978
00:51:29,719 --> 00:51:31,400
Speaker 3: I will. I do want to say, though, and I

979
00:51:31,800 --> 00:51:34,440
Speaker 3: hope that that I feel like our audience will appreciate this.

980
00:51:34,920 --> 00:51:36,920
Speaker 3: As someone who did not know a lot about the

981
00:51:37,000 --> 00:51:41,200
Speaker 3: law of arcane. My friend did make a point when

982
00:51:41,239 --> 00:51:43,800
Speaker 3: we were on the way home, My incredible friend Annie

983
00:51:43,840 --> 00:51:47,000
Speaker 3: Off just like showing me the original character designs of

984
00:51:47,040 --> 00:51:49,359
Speaker 3: a lot of these women in the game. And I

985
00:51:49,440 --> 00:51:52,160
Speaker 3: just want to thank for t and the animators because

986
00:51:52,800 --> 00:51:56,719
Speaker 3: they took a game that was definitely that more traditional

987
00:51:56,960 --> 00:51:58,560
Speaker 3: male gaze designs.

988
00:51:59,360 --> 00:52:01,320
Speaker 2: You can you and by the way, you can extend

989
00:52:01,320 --> 00:52:02,600
Speaker 2: that to all video games.

990
00:52:02,640 --> 00:52:04,120
Speaker 1: Don't don't don't.

991
00:52:04,400 --> 00:52:08,200
Speaker 2: Don't don't point the vigger specifically at League, because it's

992
00:52:08,239 --> 00:52:14,080
Speaker 2: really a problem across the space. Yeah, yeah, you know,

993
00:52:14,160 --> 00:52:16,759
Speaker 2: And I I love like a street fighter, right, so

994
00:52:16,880 --> 00:52:19,759
Speaker 2: like Chunley is my main Like I've seen a sexualized

995
00:52:19,800 --> 00:52:23,080
Speaker 2: woman in every game, and I but because my first

996
00:52:23,200 --> 00:52:26,080
Speaker 2: entry points to League was okay, and when you compare

997
00:52:26,080 --> 00:52:29,520
Speaker 2: the characters. I just think that something we need to

998
00:52:29,560 --> 00:52:32,760
Speaker 2: give Fotish and Ryat and whoever else made this show

999
00:52:33,320 --> 00:52:37,160
Speaker 2: credit for is like they created something that ended up

1000
00:52:37,440 --> 00:52:42,600
Speaker 2: reimagining these characters in a way that not only gave

1001
00:52:43,080 --> 00:52:45,759
Speaker 2: so many different kinds of people a fandom for them,

1002
00:52:45,880 --> 00:52:48,600
Speaker 2: but also like inspired like a ton of women to

1003
00:52:48,680 --> 00:52:50,759
Speaker 2: want to like play these characters.

1004
00:52:50,880 --> 00:52:53,040
Speaker 3: The amount of unreal cosplay I've seen.

1005
00:52:52,920 --> 00:52:55,880
Speaker 2: All this costplay is going to golah, It's.

1006
00:52:55,840 --> 00:52:58,960
Speaker 3: Unreal, no, no, no, believe, like seeing there was so

1007
00:52:59,080 --> 00:53:01,359
Speaker 3: many Vie and k And also can I just say

1008
00:53:01,400 --> 00:53:05,200
Speaker 3: the way that anime hair pieces have expanded since the

1009
00:53:05,280 --> 00:53:09,359
Speaker 3: more rat days of London to now like twenty years

1010
00:53:09,400 --> 00:53:13,200
Speaker 3: later or whatever, unbelievable. Every piece is perfect, every hair

1011
00:53:13,280 --> 00:53:17,200
Speaker 3: is incredible. But like I just love even things like

1012
00:53:17,719 --> 00:53:20,239
Speaker 3: Jinx riding the gun that is one of her game moves.

1013
00:53:20,239 --> 00:53:22,399
Speaker 3: And in the game it's definitely a lot more like

1014
00:53:22,960 --> 00:53:26,239
Speaker 3: obviously like phallic and kind of like out there, but

1015
00:53:26,360 --> 00:53:29,120
Speaker 3: in this it became this like incredibly cool character moment,

1016
00:53:29,440 --> 00:53:32,200
Speaker 3: and I just think that that is something to be celebrated.

1017
00:53:32,200 --> 00:53:35,040
Speaker 3: Because both visions still exist. You can still play the

1018
00:53:35,080 --> 00:53:38,400
Speaker 3: game and have the super sexy like boob version of

1019
00:53:38,440 --> 00:53:40,799
Speaker 3: these characters. But then there are moments in this show

1020
00:53:40,840 --> 00:53:44,680
Speaker 3: that are so brilliantly for the female gaze or for

1021
00:53:44,760 --> 00:53:47,040
Speaker 3: a different kind of gaze, the queer gaze. I think

1022
00:53:47,080 --> 00:53:51,120
Speaker 3: a lot about the seat VI's back and her arms

1023
00:53:51,160 --> 00:53:56,400
Speaker 3: are so muscily, and her tattoos look so incredible, and

1024
00:53:56,480 --> 00:53:58,200
Speaker 3: I was like, oh, maybe I'm gonna get a back time,

1025
00:53:59,560 --> 00:54:01,759
Speaker 3: like I was just but I just think, I just

1026
00:54:01,800 --> 00:54:03,759
Speaker 3: think that that's another thing about this show. The show

1027
00:54:03,760 --> 00:54:05,759
Speaker 3: has so much to celebrate. But I was kind of

1028
00:54:05,760 --> 00:54:09,160
Speaker 3: blown away by how, in my opinion, how like different

1029
00:54:09,239 --> 00:54:11,720
Speaker 3: that is to a lot of adaptations that we've seen before.

1030
00:54:11,760 --> 00:54:13,719
Speaker 3: So I just wanted to shout them out and say

1031
00:54:13,760 --> 00:54:15,439
Speaker 3: thank you for the for the less.

1032
00:54:15,840 --> 00:54:17,840
Speaker 2: Just one more thing on that. I want to also

1033
00:54:17,880 --> 00:54:22,040
Speaker 2: shout out to the love scene between Cat and Vibe,

1034
00:54:22,080 --> 00:54:23,799
Speaker 2: because I think it I mean, you put your finger

1035
00:54:23,800 --> 00:54:25,839
Speaker 2: on it. It was like it was the perfectly beat.

1036
00:54:25,920 --> 00:54:31,440
Speaker 2: It was like super hot and not over the top, like.

1037
00:54:31,600 --> 00:54:36,239
Speaker 3: Yeah, the implications of that if you understanding.

1038
00:54:35,560 --> 00:54:38,840
Speaker 7: About the characters and not about your visually watching the characters,

1039
00:54:38,880 --> 00:54:40,600
Speaker 7: which I think often with lesbian seccines.

1040
00:54:41,640 --> 00:54:45,160
Speaker 2: This was about like when she's like when when Via

1041
00:54:45,239 --> 00:54:55,279
Speaker 2: is like I don't care. I mean that was like whoa,

1042
00:54:54,120 --> 00:54:59,640
Speaker 2: Like I started sweating, and.

1043
00:54:59,200 --> 00:55:01,799
Speaker 3: And also like it's like, well, that's also like that

1044
00:55:01,880 --> 00:55:04,440
Speaker 3: wish fulfilment element of like, oh, I've made a mistake,

1045
00:55:04,520 --> 00:55:06,680
Speaker 3: but my partner just wants me so bad and wants

1046
00:55:06,680 --> 00:55:08,319
Speaker 3: this thing that they're gonna overlook that.

1047
00:55:08,360 --> 00:55:12,319
Speaker 2: And speaking of that desire to end the visual storytelling

1048
00:55:12,520 --> 00:55:17,359
Speaker 2: that scene. Why it worked so well was because it

1049
00:55:17,400 --> 00:55:21,520
Speaker 2: was all about that like consensual desire, about being desired,

1050
00:55:21,600 --> 00:55:26,359
Speaker 2: Like it was all the other partner undressing the other person. Yeah,

1051
00:55:26,360 --> 00:55:30,280
Speaker 2: the two buttons being yeah, like that from the show,

1052
00:55:30,480 --> 00:55:34,200
Speaker 2: not explicit, but really is really.

1053
00:55:34,760 --> 00:55:38,560
Speaker 3: Just yunning yes, so yearning and the fulfillment.

1054
00:55:38,640 --> 00:55:39,000
Speaker 1: So yeah.

1055
00:55:39,000 --> 00:55:40,600
Speaker 5: I also wanted to call out there's a lot of

1056
00:55:40,640 --> 00:55:44,400
Speaker 5: people mad about that sex scene actually, because right before

1057
00:55:44,480 --> 00:55:47,720
Speaker 5: that is when Jinks tells her sister like I'm gonna

1058
00:55:47,719 --> 00:55:52,200
Speaker 5: go presumably like do something rash and die by suicide,

1059
00:55:52,920 --> 00:55:55,920
Speaker 5: and people are mad like, what is the whiplash I'm

1060
00:55:55,920 --> 00:55:58,400
Speaker 5: getting here? Why would I hear that from her sister

1061
00:55:58,440 --> 00:56:02,160
Speaker 5: and then immediately go have sex with Kate. I think

1062
00:56:02,400 --> 00:56:06,040
Speaker 5: people are missing that. That is not what I thinks

1063
00:56:06,440 --> 00:56:08,359
Speaker 5: Jinks is going to go do of course it's not.

1064
00:56:08,560 --> 00:56:10,879
Speaker 3: Also, I just want to say, like, have you I'm

1065
00:56:10,920 --> 00:56:13,360
Speaker 3: sorry to people on the internet, I I love this

1066
00:56:13,480 --> 00:56:15,359
Speaker 3: view if this is the case, But have you never

1067
00:56:15,400 --> 00:56:19,000
Speaker 3: been emotionally unstable? Have you never?

1068
00:56:21,920 --> 00:56:22,120
Speaker 6: Yeah?

1069
00:56:22,239 --> 00:56:23,479
Speaker 1: Exactly?

1070
00:56:23,880 --> 00:56:26,960
Speaker 3: I love that you happy, but you have you never

1071
00:56:27,000 --> 00:56:30,680
Speaker 3: gone bad news? And then tried to seek o dokamine.

1072
00:56:30,000 --> 00:56:32,799
Speaker 5: Like yeah, yeah, but to be clear, there was no

1073
00:56:32,840 --> 00:56:34,319
Speaker 5: indication that VI knew that.

1074
00:56:36,760 --> 00:56:38,480
Speaker 3: And she said like, you've got to walk away, and

1075
00:56:38,520 --> 00:56:41,200
Speaker 3: then literally walked away after locking her in a prison cell.

1076
00:56:41,280 --> 00:56:44,439
Speaker 3: I think I think that that is there, and also like, yeah,

1077
00:56:44,560 --> 00:56:46,640
Speaker 3: get to being in your mid thirties and you maybe

1078
00:56:46,719 --> 00:56:48,239
Speaker 3: will relate to that scene more.

1079
00:56:48,400 --> 00:56:50,759
Speaker 6: Also, King Princess just started playing, and there was like

1080
00:56:50,760 --> 00:56:51,759
Speaker 6: what else are we gonna do?

1081
00:56:51,800 --> 00:56:55,480
Speaker 1: We have to yeah, us here together? Yeah, come on.

1082
00:56:57,640 --> 00:56:59,640
Speaker 2: I mean we can get We can talk about Dune

1083
00:57:00,040 --> 00:57:02,680
Speaker 2: Prophecy episode two for sec thing that goes on too long,

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Speaker 2: carry character story beats at all, But that's not other episode.

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Speaker 2: Speaking of other episodes, Tomorrow we have a boot leading

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Speaker 2: us through Dune Prophecy episode.

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Speaker 1: One two, and on Thursday, we.

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Speaker 2: Celebrate Thanksgiving with our favorite Thanksgiving movies. And next week

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Speaker 2: we begin Robert egger Is retrospective with the weekly special

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Speaker 2: extra episode as we prepare for Nosferatu and begin our

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Speaker 2: year end roundups.

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Speaker 1: That's it for this episode.

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Speaker 2: Thanks for listening, Thanks for joining us, producer, thanks for

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Speaker 2: joining us.

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Speaker 3: Guys.

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Speaker 5: Bye, We enjoyed your one.

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Speaker 4: Oh God No.

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Speaker 2: X Ray Vision is hosted by Jason Consupson and Rosie

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Speaker 2: Knight and is a production of iHeart Podcasts. Our executive

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Speaker 2: producers are Joel Smith and Aaron Kaufman. Our supervising producer

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Speaker 2: is a Boo Zafar. Our producers are Carmen Laurent and

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Speaker 2: Mia Taylor. Our theme song is by Brian Basquez.

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Speaker 3: Special thanks to Soul Rubin and Chris Laude, Kenny Goodman

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Speaker 3: and Heidi our discord moderator.