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Speaker 2: Oh fucked.

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Speaker 3: Welcome to I'm Fucking the Future. I'm Chris Turney, a

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Speaker 3: day and age, with all the bad news, even I

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Speaker 3: can't help but think we're fucked. But that thinking is

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Speaker 3: are people out there who have got some really big

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Speaker 3: ideas for how to turn things around. They inspire me

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Speaker 3: to keep going, and over this podcast series, I want

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Speaker 3: them to inspire you too, or at least make you

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Speaker 3: feel a little less terrible about our future. So in

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Speaker 3: each episode, we're going to hear the story of a scientist,

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Speaker 3: an entrepreneur, an activist, or someone else who is fighting

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Speaker 3: the climate crisis in a surprising but positive way, We're

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Speaker 3: going to learn how they got started, how they're making

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Speaker 3: a difference too. I still believe that together we can

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Speaker 3: fix this all mighty mess. So let's get started.

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Speaker 2: We're fucking future.

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Speaker 1: I feel very grateful to be a woman right now.

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Speaker 4: I feel very proud, and I want to thank my

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Speaker 1: Every day I want to be more like you.

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Speaker 3: Oh my god. That's a clip of Billie Eilish speaking

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Speaker 3: She's being honored for a song from the Barbie soundtrack,

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Speaker 3: and the woman she's thanking her mom, is our guest today.

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Speaker 3: Maggie bed is not only the mother of two of

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Speaker 4: I'm so proud of her every day and I want

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Speaker 3: Maggie is the founder of Support and feed and nonprofit

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Speaker 3: But that's a conclusion Maggie came to early in life.

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Speaker 1: We didn't have much a lot of money. My dad

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Speaker 3: Animal agriculture is simply the farming of animals for food production.

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Speaker 1: address this issue, and why not why address this issue

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Speaker 1: without adding on all the issues that touch that.

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Speaker 2: We're on fucking the future. We're on fucking the future.

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Speaker 3: In twenty twenty, Maggie's passions for plant based food, equity,

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Speaker 3: and music all came together. She founded a nonprofit called

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Speaker 3: Support and Feed. The organization provides narishing meals and education

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Speaker 3: to historically marginalized communities, driving global demand, acceptance, and accessibility

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Speaker 3: of plant based food. And they're using a call to

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Speaker 3: action at concert tours to each new places and inspire

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Speaker 3: more people to embrace a plant based diet.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Support and Feed and the name is like been,

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Speaker 1: I think it turned out to be more more accurate

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Speaker 1: than we ever dreamed, you know, because we really are

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Speaker 1: feeding people. But we're supporting community organizations, we're supporting small businesses,

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Speaker 1: we're supporting activists, we're supporting the work. We are very

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Speaker 1: much an all boats rise organization. We are trying to

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Speaker 1: get this word out.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Now we're bigger than ever. We are in eleven cities

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Speaker 1: in the country in a regular presence and that means

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Speaker 1: regular food deliveries and regular education which means community conversations,

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Speaker 1: cooking classes, experiential. We were able to have Support and

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Speaker 1: Feed be a presence on that tour, and you know,

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Speaker 1: when we were in Australia, we were able to partner

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Speaker 1: with oz Harvest to add fifty three thousand plant based

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Speaker 1: meals to their amazing work already. We also did the

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Speaker 1: same with Paramore's tour, and we've been festivals for Pharrell,

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Speaker 1: Something in the Water and Lallapalooza, Dave Matthews Band, Coldplay,

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Speaker 1: plant Based Food Drive. So getting the word out with

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Speaker 1: Support and Feed, you know, we have a large impact

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Speaker 1: with the you know, the people we're feeding and then

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Speaker 1: also people who are here to learn about how what

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Speaker 1: they eat impacts climate change and how what they eat

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Speaker 1: is impacting someone across their town, across their state, across

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Speaker 1: the world.

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Speaker 3: I had a.

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Speaker 1: Woman one time on a panel I was on say

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Speaker 1: something to me in a quite snide manner, like we

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Speaker 1: can't eat our way out of climate change, And I thought, well,

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Speaker 1: you know it's not you know, we kind of can

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Speaker 1: It's not the only solution. Plant based diet is not

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Speaker 1: the only solution to climate change, but there's no solution

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Speaker 1: that doesn't include that.

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Speaker 3: It's easy to feel powerless in the face of a

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Speaker 3: problem as big as global heating. But what I love

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Speaker 3: about Maggie's story is that this shows us but there's

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Speaker 3: something meaningful we can do as individuals right now, which

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Speaker 3: brings us to our final segment, which we call what

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Speaker 3: the fuck Can I Do?

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Speaker 2: What the fuck can I do?

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Speaker 3: Okay, Maggie, I thought we could end the show by

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Speaker 3: highlighting something our listeners can do to help stop the

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Speaker 3: climate crisis, And so I want to ask you about

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Speaker 3: the thirty day Pledge. What is it and what's the

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Speaker 3: idea behind it.

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Speaker 1: We want people to understand that what they eat matters,

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Speaker 1: and it affects people. It affects not only their personal health,

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Speaker 1: but their community and people all around the world. The

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Speaker 1: Support and Feed Pledge is to eat at least one

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Speaker 1: fully plant based meala day for thirty days. And get this,

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Speaker 1: that one small action makes such a huge difference. For example,

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Speaker 1: if we were all to take it together, say ten

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Speaker 1: thousand people eate one plant based meala day, for thirty days.

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Speaker 1: That is seven million gallons of water saved. Is that incredible?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that is incredible, That really is.

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Speaker 1: And then support feed will offer you resources and support,

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Speaker 1: recipes and guidance as you do it till hopefully this

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Speaker 1: one meal a day that you're eating will become second

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Speaker 1: nature and you can add more and more plant based

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Speaker 1: foods to your diet and really make an impact on

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Speaker 1: the climate crisis.

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Speaker 3: Look, plant based diets are the gold standard. Someone with

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Speaker 3: a plant based diet has less than seventy five percent

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Speaker 3: of the emissions from that of a heavy meat eater.

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Speaker 3: But for a lot of people, me included, it can

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Speaker 3: feel impossible to make a full switch in one go.

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Speaker 3: But the good news is eating a low meat diet

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Speaker 3: can have a similar effect because for difference and emissions

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Speaker 3: between a low meat diet, say around forteen ounces a week,

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Speaker 3: which is about two chicken breasts and a vegetarian or

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Speaker 3: pescatarian diet is pretty nominal. In fact, low meat diets

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Speaker 3: around half the emissions of a heavy meat eater, the

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Speaker 3: same as a vegetarian diet. Hal's to say, we don't

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Speaker 3: need to change a f every thing about our diet

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Speaker 3: right now, but Maggie says, we can make small steps

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Speaker 3: today to get on the path towards an environmentally friendly diet.

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Speaker 1: The Support and Feed Pledge has gone worldwide. We've been

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Speaker 1: at concerts, arenas and stadiums around the world with musical

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Speaker 1: acts and at live events getting people to sign up

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Speaker 1: to take this pledge to know that what they do

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Speaker 1: every day makes a difference. It's that kind of change

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Speaker 1: that is really going to be impactful.

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Speaker 3: That's amazing. So if you're interested, head on over to

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Speaker 3: Support Andfeed dot org and sign up for the thirty

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Speaker 3: day Pledge. And that's one thing you can do right

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Speaker 3: now to help fight the climate crisis.

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Speaker 2: What fuck can I know?

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Speaker 3: Since Maggie founded it back in twenty twenty, Support and

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Speaker 3: Feed has become a hugely impactful organization. They've distributed over

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Speaker 3: four hundred thousand plant based meals and pantry items.

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Speaker 1: I'm not the first person to say this, but I

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Speaker 1: think the antidote for egoings it is action. Knowing that

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Speaker 1: you're doing something is what keeps me going. And hope

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Speaker 1: is in the people that join with you, the people

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Speaker 1: working alongside of you and caring. A lot of people say, well,

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Speaker 1: young people, give us hope. But you know, there's enough

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Speaker 1: people out there, and there are enough technological advances and

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Speaker 1: enough people really working towards this, and it gives me

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Speaker 1: hope to you know, if nothing else, we're not in

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Speaker 1: and alone.

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Speaker 3: And I often reflect on the fact that it's not

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Speaker 3: really the science it gives me hope. That's actually the opposite.

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Speaker 3: A lot of time, it's people. It's what people can

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Speaker 3: do and what they are doing, and that gives me

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Speaker 3: real hope. And I find that inspirre and just talking

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Speaker 3: to you, Maggie about hearing what you're doing and how

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Speaker 3: it can scale a level you know, actually, gosh, we

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Speaker 3: can make a difference.

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Speaker 1: I mean, that's really that's really why food is so

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Speaker 1: special in this category, because it's like, you can do this,

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Speaker 1: this one you got right in your hands. You know,

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Speaker 1: we can do it.

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Speaker 3: We certainly can't.

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Speaker 5: Fucked.

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Speaker 3: That's all for this episode. Next time on I Fucking

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Speaker 3: the Future, we'll be speaking with comedian, writer and director

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Speaker 3: Adam McKay. He's been doing his part to fight the

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Speaker 3: climate crisis in his own unique way for storytelling. He's

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Speaker 3: the director of a twenty twenty one film, Don't Look Up,

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Speaker 3: which is an environmental allegory and a comedy.

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Speaker 6: We're dealing with just a gargantuan force, you know, changing

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Speaker 6: the livable climate, and it's amazing how much it just

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Speaker 6: bats you around emotionally. So yeah, it's a wild, wild experience,

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Speaker 6: there's no question. And the number one thing I've been

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Speaker 6: trying to do through the whole thing is just keep

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Speaker 6: my sense of.

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Speaker 3: Humor, spreading climate awareness, food humor. That's coming up on

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Speaker 3: Fucking the Future. I'm Chris Turney. See you next time.

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Speaker 2: Fucking the Future.

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Speaker 3: I'm Fucking the Future is produced by Imagine Audio and

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Speaker 3: Awfully Nice for iHeart Podcasts and hosted by me Chris Turney.

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