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Speaker 3: Stu Gotts in company of course, with no Stu Gotts

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Speaker 3: when I'm talking to Taylor twelve and Taylor thanks so

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Speaker 3: much for joining us.

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Speaker 3: The MLS season felt like it just ended yesterday, but

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Speaker 4: Twenty first Taylor. Let me just start there.

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Speaker 3: With some interesting storylines from MLS this season.

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Speaker 4: Like what is sort of at the top of your

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Speaker 5: Well, one, you're going into almost less, you know, a

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Speaker 4: So Taylor quick quest the other day a quick story.

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Speaker 3: Rather, I was out of the house at six thirty

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Speaker 6: That doesn't mean we haven't grown.

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Speaker 5: That doesn't mean we don't have thirty plus Americans playing.

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Speaker 6: The reality is this is that.

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Speaker 5: They win their group because of forty eight teams being

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Speaker 6: Is he it's a good question.

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Speaker 6: Action speak louder than word.

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Speaker 6: But I'm not a doctor.

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Speaker 3: Here, go a little lighter because you're a big golfer

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Speaker 3: and I think you've said in the past golf has

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Speaker 8: I've been telling people all read tailors, Tolman, your tournament's

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Speaker 4: I don't know if you saw that, but you can

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Speaker 3: And by the time you went to my man, you

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Speaker 4: Do you remember that, by any chance?

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Speaker 6: I absolutely remember that. You gotta remember guys.

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Speaker 5: So like, when I'm playing in these celebrity tournaments, I

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Speaker 5: and so naturally when people are like, hey, Taylor, I'm

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Speaker 6: Hell is that? How did he get into this tournament?

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Speaker 5: Why if Taylor Twelman's playing in the tournament, can I

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Speaker 6: Taylor said, Hi. I was like, oh, that's pretty good.

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Speaker 5: And by the way, I remember that hole because I

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Speaker 6: Because I'm sure you have a clip on that too somewhere.

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Speaker 4: No, we actually do.

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Speaker 7: No. I was gonna say, this is the year, Taylor,

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Speaker 7: I'm putting the ticket in already.

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Speaker 6: Yeah.

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Speaker 5: The problem is, Taylor, last year was the year because

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Speaker 6: But here we are today. I'm still living.

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Speaker 4: Well, it's do you have any more clips of you? Hippolis?

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Speaker 3: Because Taylor, you were not the only person who he

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Speaker 7: So I had seen a Bob does sports video like

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Speaker 7: So I was like, let me go to Tahoe. Let

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Speaker 7: It might be your year, hopefully.

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Speaker 5: Rob.

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Speaker 7: If this was based on how good you look in

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Speaker 7: at polo, you'd be in first place.

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Speaker 6: Baby.

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Speaker 8: I've been telling people all well, how many your tournaments

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Speaker 6: Braves?

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Speaker 7: You are rocking those red pants.

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Speaker 8: You're right in this thing, Alfonso, let's get hot.

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Speaker 5: I cannot wait to chirp him after I get off

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Speaker 7: I didn't have Rabel as a red pants guy.

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Speaker 3: Taylor, Thanks so much for joining us. Just want to

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Speaker 5: Yep, and both of my daughters would tell you there's

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Speaker 3: MLS season starts Saturday tomorrow, the twenty first, and.

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Speaker 4: This is Apple TV's lead TV analyst, Taylor Twelman. Thanks

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