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Speaker 1: The podcast where we dive deep, deep into the pockets

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Speaker 1: of black conspiracy theories and we finally work to prove

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Speaker 1: what we're gonna talk about today on the podcast. And

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Speaker 1: I assure you it's a good one. We got a

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Speaker 1: message from a person named Karence. Terrence sent me a

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Speaker 1: and it's it's something we're digging into. Let's see what

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Speaker 1: Terrence had to say. Hey, what's up like saying my

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Speaker 1: name is Terrence. I just want to say Number one,

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Speaker 1: I think you're uh, everything you're you're doing is just amazing.

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Speaker 1: I also want to say that me, probably like you

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Speaker 1: Fresh Prince. But you're a good looking guy. Uh. Number three,

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Speaker 1: Here's what my conspiracy is. At some point, this has

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Speaker 1: if they're willing to do that, then their career will

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Speaker 1: about that one? Okay, well, Darrence, First of all, what

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Speaker 1: Ain't nothing dry by my drawers, Terrence, and nothing in

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Speaker 1: I would love for you to review our podcast and

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Speaker 1: write comments. Beautiful comments, glowing comments, or even bigoted comments.

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Speaker 1: see what you have to say. So many warm comments

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Speaker 1: be coming in in the future. I don't know why

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Speaker 1: I lowered my voice that made it sexual in a

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Speaker 1: So I'm gonna leave, by bitch. Motherfucking many years, so

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Speaker 1: many years, so, motherfucking many years, so, motherfucking many years,

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Speaker 1: so many years, motherfucking many years. So