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Speaker 1: Welcome back to Cutting the Distance. Today we're going to

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Speaker 1: jump into elk hunting tactics techniques. But if you've missed

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Speaker 1: part one of this, it's preparing for elk season. That's

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Speaker 1: how do you find a tag, how do you figure

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Speaker 1: out what unit you want to hunt, how do you

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Speaker 1: find elk within that unit? And then things such as

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Speaker 1: equipment that matters, you know, getting boots broken, getting in

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Speaker 1: shape for these Western hunts, what packs may work, how

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Speaker 1: you go about calling biologists and get information that maybe

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Speaker 1: others aren't getting, you know, call the property owner, whether

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Speaker 1: it's force or a's PLM. That's all in Unit thirty eight.

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Speaker 1: Now we're going to jump into this, well, we're going

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Speaker 1: to talk about you've now got to spot the hunt.

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Speaker 1: We've now got to elk season, We've did our scouting,

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Speaker 1: and we're going to jump into how to put the

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Speaker 1: odds in your favor this season gets close. We're going

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Speaker 1: to start here like we do every episode of Cutting

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Speaker 1: This time, I didn't have any come in as we're

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Speaker 1: kind of quickly going through these two parts. So I'm

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Speaker 1: gonna take two questions that I get a lot of

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Speaker 1: the live seminars that I do and just kind of

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Speaker 1: So I apologize. We didn't pull any questions. I just

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Speaker 1: decided to take two questions that we get quite often.

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Speaker 1: So as we go through here this episode. A little

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Speaker 1: and one question we always get as I talk about

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Speaker 1: it go into more detail on a location bugle. They

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Speaker 1: in my opinion, and I want to preface this whole

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Speaker 1: entire episode with a lot of this comes from my experience,

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Speaker 1: of what I've did to find success, and then some things.

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Speaker 1: To be honest, I've found some of this working by

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Speaker 1: a lot of failures. I've failed more times than I've

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Speaker 1: been successful in the Elkwood. So I've learned a lot

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Speaker 1: of this through failures. What works the majority of time

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Speaker 1: and I forgot to mention if you have questions of

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Speaker 1: your own for any future podcasts, whether it's turkey hunting,

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Speaker 1: spring bear hunting, elk, whitetail, Dear, Blacktail Dear, whatever it is,

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Speaker 1: make sure you email us at CTD at Phelpsgame Calls

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Speaker 1: and we'll try to get your questions included. So back

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Speaker 1: to location bugles. In my opinion, this is the bugle

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Speaker 1: know I've said it over and over. Ninety percent of

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Speaker 1: So I use this call, and what I want to

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Speaker 1: It's it's two to three note high pitched bugle. And

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Speaker 1: may screwed it up for other people, but it's kind

427
00:21:50,400 --> 00:21:52,520
Speaker 1: of like your last ditch effort, which I think everybody's

428
00:21:52,560 --> 00:21:55,480
Speaker 1: gonna you know, do. You're not necessarily saving those elk

429
00:21:55,520 --> 00:21:58,000
Speaker 1: for anybody else, But still hunting is a high risk,

430
00:21:58,080 --> 00:22:00,159
Speaker 1: high reward to get in tight. You can pretend she

431
00:22:00,200 --> 00:22:03,199
Speaker 1: pushed those elk out of their bedding, but you can

432
00:22:03,359 --> 00:22:07,480
Speaker 1: still hunt and work your way in close. Especially we've

433
00:22:07,480 --> 00:22:09,359
Speaker 1: resorted to this at times when there's just not a

434
00:22:09,400 --> 00:22:12,679
Speaker 1: lot of biggling early in the season. Seems to be

435
00:22:12,680 --> 00:22:14,320
Speaker 1: a way we can we can kind of sneak in

436
00:22:14,960 --> 00:22:19,920
Speaker 1: and locate out. So, now that you've located elk, what's

437
00:22:19,920 --> 00:22:21,440
Speaker 1: your next move? Going to be And that's kind of

438
00:22:21,440 --> 00:22:23,560
Speaker 1: the question we need to ask ourselves. We need to

439
00:22:23,600 --> 00:22:26,440
Speaker 1: be educated hunters, make good decisions and feel like we've

440
00:22:26,520 --> 00:22:30,960
Speaker 1: kind of walked ourselves through everything that's going to affect

441
00:22:31,359 --> 00:22:34,679
Speaker 1: our next move. So the first thing I like to

442
00:22:34,680 --> 00:22:37,520
Speaker 1: ask myself for what are the elk doing and what

443
00:22:37,640 --> 00:22:43,160
Speaker 1: are their plans? If I wasn't to intervene, are are

444
00:22:43,160 --> 00:22:46,959
Speaker 1: they going from feed to betting? Are they just milling around?

445
00:22:47,119 --> 00:22:52,120
Speaker 1: And does is there a herd bowl with multiple satellites

446
00:22:52,320 --> 00:22:57,800
Speaker 1: or is there a lopsided balance? Is there like a

447
00:22:57,840 --> 00:23:00,879
Speaker 1: great herd buwl with satellites that are smaller or is

448
00:23:00,920 --> 00:23:04,280
Speaker 1: there a herd bowl that's maybe barely you know, that

449
00:23:04,440 --> 00:23:07,479
Speaker 1: much bigger or better or stronger than the satellite bowls

450
00:23:08,200 --> 00:23:10,119
Speaker 1: around him like that. Some of that stuff's going to

451
00:23:10,200 --> 00:23:12,520
Speaker 1: lead lead to it because the competition is different and

452
00:23:13,800 --> 00:23:17,280
Speaker 1: you know, are are they got running activity? We're looking

453
00:23:17,359 --> 00:23:20,400
Speaker 1: at all of that before we even consider our approach.

454
00:23:20,480 --> 00:23:22,720
Speaker 1: The other thing I do like to and you know,

455
00:23:22,760 --> 00:23:25,720
Speaker 1: hunting public land for elk, you always have to answer

456
00:23:25,920 --> 00:23:29,200
Speaker 1: this question to figure out how quick you need to

457
00:23:29,520 --> 00:23:32,280
Speaker 1: make these decisions and move is what's the pressure like

458
00:23:32,320 --> 00:23:35,600
Speaker 1: in the area are these elk going to sit here

459
00:23:35,640 --> 00:23:37,720
Speaker 1: and do what they want to do without being bothered

460
00:23:37,760 --> 00:23:39,560
Speaker 1: by somebody else before I get there? Or do I

461
00:23:39,600 --> 00:23:42,760
Speaker 1: need to move quicker? Or sometimes we may spot elk

462
00:23:42,760 --> 00:23:46,320
Speaker 1: in areas where the effort or the ability to get

463
00:23:46,359 --> 00:23:48,679
Speaker 1: there is so great and it's going to take us

464
00:23:48,720 --> 00:23:51,280
Speaker 1: a long time. We know there's a lot easier ways

465
00:23:51,320 --> 00:23:53,320
Speaker 1: to get in there from a different road, whatever it

466
00:23:53,359 --> 00:23:56,359
Speaker 1: may be, we may elect to leave those alone because

467
00:23:56,800 --> 00:24:02,920
Speaker 1: our chances of becoming successful or so low. So you're

468
00:24:02,960 --> 00:24:06,760
Speaker 1: asking these questions to yourself. What's the wind doing at

469
00:24:06,760 --> 00:24:09,680
Speaker 1: this time? Let's say at seven o'clock in the morning,

470
00:24:09,680 --> 00:24:12,600
Speaker 1: we can almost guarantee the wind's going to be going downhill,

471
00:24:13,720 --> 00:24:15,639
Speaker 1: But how long is it going to take me to

472
00:24:15,680 --> 00:24:17,920
Speaker 1: get there? If it's two hours and you're going to

473
00:24:17,960 --> 00:24:19,520
Speaker 1: be over there at nine and you know the sun's

474
00:24:19,600 --> 00:24:22,679
Speaker 1: hitting that slope all right now as I approach, the

475
00:24:22,720 --> 00:24:24,760
Speaker 1: wind's going to be potentially going uphill, how does that

476
00:24:24,840 --> 00:24:27,240
Speaker 1: change my approach? Do I need to walk a finger

477
00:24:27,320 --> 00:24:30,359
Speaker 1: ridge over or whatever it may be. You got to

478
00:24:30,359 --> 00:24:33,480
Speaker 1: ask yourself these questions. The other thing, if it's a

479
00:24:33,560 --> 00:24:35,520
Speaker 1: long stalk and you can't just run there and be

480
00:24:35,560 --> 00:24:38,439
Speaker 1: there in fifteen minutes. Where are those elk ultimately going

481
00:24:38,520 --> 00:24:39,800
Speaker 1: to be by time I can get there? Do you

482
00:24:39,880 --> 00:24:42,280
Speaker 1: got to get enough read on the direction they're going

483
00:24:42,440 --> 00:24:44,840
Speaker 1: or can you foresee which patch of timber they're going

484
00:24:44,920 --> 00:24:47,399
Speaker 1: to go bed in or the flat? So I'm trying

485
00:24:47,400 --> 00:24:50,000
Speaker 1: to figure all this out without really knowing the answer.

486
00:24:50,080 --> 00:24:53,040
Speaker 1: Unless it's elk that you've got patterned or elk that

487
00:24:53,119 --> 00:24:55,919
Speaker 1: you've got a good idea, there's only certain spots they

488
00:24:55,960 --> 00:24:58,880
Speaker 1: can get to. You're trying to figure all it out

489
00:24:58,920 --> 00:25:02,760
Speaker 1: before you take off, and then ultimately I'm already trying

490
00:25:02,760 --> 00:25:05,520
Speaker 1: to figure out a general vicinity of where I'm going

491
00:25:05,600 --> 00:25:07,800
Speaker 1: to set up when I get there. It's very tough

492
00:25:07,840 --> 00:25:09,760
Speaker 1: to do. It's taken a lot of time. But if

493
00:25:09,800 --> 00:25:12,639
Speaker 1: I see an elk, you know, across the way, I

494
00:25:12,680 --> 00:25:14,320
Speaker 1: know it's going to be an hour to get down

495
00:25:14,359 --> 00:25:16,040
Speaker 1: and across by that time, I think the elk should

496
00:25:16,040 --> 00:25:18,880
Speaker 1: be here my plan and a lot of times I'll

497
00:25:18,880 --> 00:25:21,080
Speaker 1: just put a waypoint on on X. Of course we

498
00:25:21,119 --> 00:25:23,040
Speaker 1: may need to make changes, but this is where I

499
00:25:23,119 --> 00:25:26,560
Speaker 1: intend to interact with the elk, you know, my ideal spot,

500
00:25:27,080 --> 00:25:28,920
Speaker 1: and then I will change from there, and that's one

501
00:25:28,960 --> 00:25:32,040
Speaker 1: thing in this A lot of times when we if

502
00:25:32,080 --> 00:25:35,720
Speaker 1: we have to make a stock, that's our approach is

503
00:25:36,560 --> 00:25:39,680
Speaker 1: you know, seven hundred one thousand yards away or two

504
00:25:39,720 --> 00:25:42,560
Speaker 1: thousand yards away. It's a long, long track. A lot

505
00:25:42,560 --> 00:25:44,119
Speaker 1: of times things change when you get over there, and

506
00:25:44,200 --> 00:25:46,120
Speaker 1: you might get a little confused on what finger ridge

507
00:25:46,160 --> 00:25:49,600
Speaker 1: you're on. Put an on x pin where the elk

508
00:25:49,640 --> 00:25:51,840
Speaker 1: are at, where you think they're going, and then that

509
00:25:51,840 --> 00:25:54,320
Speaker 1: can help you kind of just plan your route and

510
00:25:54,320 --> 00:25:55,560
Speaker 1: you don't have to second guess if you're in the

511
00:25:55,640 --> 00:26:00,960
Speaker 1: right spot or where they're going. And then ultimately we

512
00:26:01,320 --> 00:26:04,760
Speaker 1: make small little changes as we approach, and my goal

513
00:26:04,840 --> 00:26:07,080
Speaker 1: is to get as close to that bowl or his

514
00:26:07,200 --> 00:26:14,159
Speaker 1: cows as I can without getting busted. Ideally, you know

515
00:26:14,200 --> 00:26:17,320
Speaker 1: we talk. We coined the term shock and awe. We

516
00:26:17,680 --> 00:26:22,159
Speaker 1: use that strategy. Once we approach, I try not to

517
00:26:22,160 --> 00:26:25,679
Speaker 1: make a sound until I'm within one hundred yards. That's ideal. Now,

518
00:26:27,160 --> 00:26:29,680
Speaker 1: what helps us out and accomplishing that is if that

519
00:26:29,720 --> 00:26:33,360
Speaker 1: bull continues to bugle on his own as we approach,

520
00:26:34,320 --> 00:26:37,120
Speaker 1: that gives us the confidence of reassurance we can track

521
00:26:37,160 --> 00:26:40,240
Speaker 1: his movement versus if you're if you're making that approach

522
00:26:40,280 --> 00:26:41,680
Speaker 1: and you don't get a whole lot out of that elk.

523
00:26:42,840 --> 00:26:47,240
Speaker 1: You're really just having to guess on the speed that

524
00:26:47,280 --> 00:26:50,400
Speaker 1: they were in the direction they were heading and try

525
00:26:50,400 --> 00:26:53,960
Speaker 1: to make all that work. Ninety five percent of the

526
00:26:54,000 --> 00:26:56,560
Speaker 1: herd bulls will not come into calls from more than

527
00:26:56,640 --> 00:26:59,280
Speaker 1: one hundred and twenty hundred and fifty yards out, And

528
00:26:59,320 --> 00:27:01,159
Speaker 1: I'll explain that a little bit. But in my opinion,

529
00:27:01,200 --> 00:27:03,399
Speaker 1: needs to represent a threat to that bowl. These bulls

530
00:27:03,400 --> 00:27:08,400
Speaker 1: are out there to you know, breed, recreate, reproduce, and

531
00:27:08,640 --> 00:27:13,000
Speaker 1: they don't want to potentially lose their opportunity to breed

532
00:27:13,080 --> 00:27:17,560
Speaker 1: these cows. And so why would they willfully walk away

533
00:27:17,600 --> 00:27:19,760
Speaker 1: from cows when there are other satellite bowls around to

534
00:27:19,800 --> 00:27:23,680
Speaker 1: come look for this bull or cow that's calling to him.

535
00:27:23,720 --> 00:27:26,800
Speaker 1: When in nature, that bowl beagles lets the cows know

536
00:27:27,560 --> 00:27:29,680
Speaker 1: that that bowl's in the area and the cow should

537
00:27:29,680 --> 00:27:31,359
Speaker 1: walk to them. So in order to we're kind of

538
00:27:31,400 --> 00:27:33,600
Speaker 1: reversing this a little bit and creating a threat to

539
00:27:33,640 --> 00:27:36,800
Speaker 1: that bowl that I'm within his area, I'm within a

540
00:27:36,840 --> 00:27:39,800
Speaker 1: certain distance of his cows. I'm now a threat to him,

541
00:27:39,800 --> 00:27:41,879
Speaker 1: and he needs to come and protect you know what,

542
00:27:42,480 --> 00:27:45,600
Speaker 1: He's got his cows, his hair, and whatever it may be.

543
00:27:46,840 --> 00:27:48,679
Speaker 1: So now that we're close, let's say we've did all

544
00:27:48,720 --> 00:27:51,240
Speaker 1: this successful, We've got the wind in our face, we're

545
00:27:51,240 --> 00:27:53,520
Speaker 1: doing things right. You need to figure out where to

546
00:27:53,560 --> 00:27:56,679
Speaker 1: set up, and there's there's a lot of opinions like

547
00:27:56,680 --> 00:27:58,760
Speaker 1: what's the most important, like any one piece of this.

548
00:27:58,840 --> 00:28:00,920
Speaker 1: If you can't locate a bull, then it's the most

549
00:28:00,960 --> 00:28:02,719
Speaker 1: important because you don't ever get to the stage. If

550
00:28:02,760 --> 00:28:05,359
Speaker 1: you can't approach and get in the right spot to

551
00:28:05,400 --> 00:28:07,200
Speaker 1: set up, then you're never going to be in the action.

552
00:28:07,320 --> 00:28:10,840
Speaker 1: But talking to enough people it shows, and listening to

553
00:28:10,920 --> 00:28:14,719
Speaker 1: hunting stories and scenarios, I feel that setting up is

554
00:28:14,760 --> 00:28:19,080
Speaker 1: maybe one of the biggest reasons of non success or

555
00:28:19,080 --> 00:28:22,959
Speaker 1: people coming up a little bit short. Then maybe anything

556
00:28:22,960 --> 00:28:25,280
Speaker 1: else that we talk about when it comes to calling

557
00:28:25,280 --> 00:28:43,920
Speaker 1: an elk. So how do I set up when I

558
00:28:43,920 --> 00:28:46,520
Speaker 1: get to an area? Well, another thing that I like

559
00:28:46,600 --> 00:28:48,600
Speaker 1: to gauge. If we've did everything right and we've got

560
00:28:48,600 --> 00:28:53,040
Speaker 1: the wind in our face and the elker or upwind

561
00:28:53,080 --> 00:28:57,160
Speaker 1: of us, we should be able to smell elk right

562
00:28:57,160 --> 00:28:59,600
Speaker 1: elkorist thinking creator. Most of the time, as I approach,

563
00:29:00,080 --> 00:29:02,680
Speaker 1: I almost use their stink. Their stench is like a

564
00:29:03,600 --> 00:29:06,040
Speaker 1: indicator that I'm close enough or I'm getting close enough,

565
00:29:06,120 --> 00:29:08,800
Speaker 1: especially if they're not talking. So that's when I start

566
00:29:08,840 --> 00:29:12,480
Speaker 1: to look for spots to set up. The very first

567
00:29:12,560 --> 00:29:16,640
Speaker 1: thing I look for is these fringes. We talked about

568
00:29:16,640 --> 00:29:19,120
Speaker 1: fringes earlier, but now we're looking at it on more

569
00:29:19,200 --> 00:29:24,080
Speaker 1: of a micro you know, kind of in the micro

570
00:29:24,200 --> 00:29:27,120
Speaker 1: scale of the micro lens. We want to look for.

571
00:29:28,560 --> 00:29:30,720
Speaker 1: You know, it might just be groups of trees that

572
00:29:30,760 --> 00:29:33,040
Speaker 1: are sixty or seventy yards ahead of us. And if

573
00:29:33,080 --> 00:29:35,960
Speaker 1: that elk gets to that, like, are they willing to

574
00:29:36,080 --> 00:29:38,880
Speaker 1: stop because they should be able to see the cow

575
00:29:39,000 --> 00:29:41,760
Speaker 1: or the bowl also known as ourselves doing the calling.

576
00:29:42,160 --> 00:29:44,640
Speaker 1: Can they see that elk from that location and expect

577
00:29:45,320 --> 00:29:48,840
Speaker 1: for that cower bowl to come to them? Or how

578
00:29:48,840 --> 00:29:51,320
Speaker 1: do we prevent that? We set ourselves up next to

579
00:29:51,400 --> 00:29:54,920
Speaker 1: that break. We set ourselves up next to that terrain break,

580
00:29:54,920 --> 00:29:58,480
Speaker 1: that vegetation break, so that when that elk does get

581
00:29:58,520 --> 00:30:01,440
Speaker 1: to that hold up spot within shooting distance and we

582
00:30:01,600 --> 00:30:05,880
Speaker 1: don't run into that situation scenario where and this is

583
00:30:05,880 --> 00:30:07,280
Speaker 1: what I see A lot, you know, a lot of

584
00:30:07,320 --> 00:30:09,120
Speaker 1: people like to show me their phone on a you know,

585
00:30:09,160 --> 00:30:11,040
Speaker 1: somebody had a cell phone running when they were calling

586
00:30:11,080 --> 00:30:13,640
Speaker 1: an elk, and those elk holed up at sixty or

587
00:30:13,680 --> 00:30:16,680
Speaker 1: seventy yards and they they bugle a little bit, or

588
00:30:16,720 --> 00:30:19,160
Speaker 1: they hang out, maybe pace a little bit, and then

589
00:30:19,200 --> 00:30:22,960
Speaker 1: they leave. Well, I always ask those guys, like, what

590
00:30:23,040 --> 00:30:25,400
Speaker 1: do you think happened there? And in my opinion, a

591
00:30:25,400 --> 00:30:28,680
Speaker 1: lot of times that bull gets to a location where

592
00:30:28,680 --> 00:30:31,880
Speaker 1: he could see very clearly the cow, the bull that

593
00:30:31,880 --> 00:30:36,720
Speaker 1: should be calling to him, and doesn't see what he likes,

594
00:30:37,040 --> 00:30:39,120
Speaker 1: and we'll turn around and go back to his cows.

595
00:30:40,040 --> 00:30:41,960
Speaker 1: Or even satellite bulls will do this. They don't see

596
00:30:41,960 --> 00:30:44,000
Speaker 1: what you know, they're they're not going to walk right

597
00:30:44,040 --> 00:30:47,280
Speaker 1: in to an elk that doesn't exist. They will get

598
00:30:47,320 --> 00:30:49,760
Speaker 1: to a spot where they can see well, they should

599
00:30:49,760 --> 00:30:51,440
Speaker 1: be able to see the cow or the bull, and

600
00:30:51,720 --> 00:30:55,560
Speaker 1: they'll turn away. So I'm looking at terrain and cover,

601
00:30:56,680 --> 00:30:59,760
Speaker 1: and let's try to paint a picture here through words.

602
00:31:00,080 --> 00:31:03,400
Speaker 1: Let's say you have a hillside that's forty five degrees up,

603
00:31:03,400 --> 00:31:05,760
Speaker 1: fairly steeped the whole way up, and there's there's one

604
00:31:05,760 --> 00:31:08,760
Speaker 1: little bench in the middle of it. Let's say you're

605
00:31:08,760 --> 00:31:11,960
Speaker 1: calling the bowl uphill and he's coming up the hill,

606
00:31:12,040 --> 00:31:15,760
Speaker 1: but that bench is a hundred yards wide, and you

607
00:31:15,880 --> 00:31:17,400
Speaker 1: are a little hesitant because you don't want to be

608
00:31:17,440 --> 00:31:19,200
Speaker 1: right at the edge, But so you set up way

609
00:31:19,240 --> 00:31:20,760
Speaker 1: at the back edge of it, so you're now one

610
00:31:20,840 --> 00:31:22,960
Speaker 1: hundred yards from where that elk will be. Because you

611
00:31:23,120 --> 00:31:25,400
Speaker 1: like the spot and you got good shooting lanes or something.

612
00:31:26,000 --> 00:31:27,880
Speaker 1: But I'm here to tell you when that bowl gets

613
00:31:27,960 --> 00:31:30,400
Speaker 1: to that break where it goes flat to forty five

614
00:31:30,440 --> 00:31:32,479
Speaker 1: degrees and steps up there, a lot of times you

615
00:31:32,520 --> 00:31:34,480
Speaker 1: only get a view of his head or you know,

616
00:31:34,520 --> 00:31:36,920
Speaker 1: maybe half of his body link because he can now

617
00:31:36,960 --> 00:31:40,800
Speaker 1: see that entire flat or most of that flat. You're

618
00:31:40,840 --> 00:31:44,040
Speaker 1: now one hundred yards away, right, Why wouldn't we have

619
00:31:44,080 --> 00:31:46,440
Speaker 1: set up twenty to thirty yards away. He's going to

620
00:31:46,520 --> 00:31:48,400
Speaker 1: hang up with that same spot, whether you're calling from

621
00:31:48,400 --> 00:31:50,080
Speaker 1: twenty to thirty yards away from the edge or if

622
00:31:50,120 --> 00:31:52,440
Speaker 1: you're calling from eighty to one hundred yards away from

623
00:31:52,480 --> 00:31:55,000
Speaker 1: that edge. So we need to think about things like

624
00:31:55,040 --> 00:31:59,480
Speaker 1: that as well as how the vegetation. The ideal set

625
00:31:59,520 --> 00:32:01,600
Speaker 1: up is when you can kind of combine that vegetation

626
00:32:01,800 --> 00:32:04,600
Speaker 1: break with terrain brakes, but either one of these will

627
00:32:04,600 --> 00:32:07,959
Speaker 1: work kind of individually on their own. Terrain breaks like

628
00:32:08,040 --> 00:32:11,960
Speaker 1: I love nothing more than setting up. I've got good

629
00:32:12,000 --> 00:32:14,560
Speaker 1: shooting lanes. Let's say twenty to thirty yards in the clean,

630
00:32:15,080 --> 00:32:17,680
Speaker 1: But that bull's coming out of a giant brush pile.

631
00:32:18,200 --> 00:32:20,560
Speaker 1: He can't see. He can't really be visible. You know,

632
00:32:20,560 --> 00:32:22,320
Speaker 1: there's bits and pieces. I can see the elk coming,

633
00:32:22,320 --> 00:32:24,479
Speaker 1: but he can never truly see out of the brush

634
00:32:24,920 --> 00:32:27,800
Speaker 1: or the timber or whatever it may be. He's got

635
00:32:27,840 --> 00:32:29,800
Speaker 1: to get to that edge in order to identify the

636
00:32:29,840 --> 00:32:32,240
Speaker 1: elk or the bowl or the cow, whatever it may be,

637
00:32:32,320 --> 00:32:34,920
Speaker 1: whatever calling style you use, he needs to get to

638
00:32:34,960 --> 00:32:36,640
Speaker 1: there in order to see. And then ideally, if I've

639
00:32:36,680 --> 00:32:39,000
Speaker 1: set up right, I've now got a very good shot

640
00:32:39,360 --> 00:32:42,760
Speaker 1: when he gets there. The next thing I'm looking at,

641
00:32:42,800 --> 00:32:45,840
Speaker 1: let's say we've picked an ideal spot. Where is that

642
00:32:45,880 --> 00:32:50,600
Speaker 1: bowl most likely to come in. We're looking at trail systems,

643
00:32:50,840 --> 00:32:54,200
Speaker 1: openings in trees. You know they I don't want to

644
00:32:54,200 --> 00:32:57,160
Speaker 1: sound like Captain Obvia's here, but the bowl can't walk

645
00:32:57,200 --> 00:33:00,400
Speaker 1: through trees. He doesn't really want to walk right through

646
00:33:01,200 --> 00:33:03,280
Speaker 1: the limbs of those trees. You know. If there's small

647
00:33:03,320 --> 00:33:05,640
Speaker 1: gaps and openings, they're going to walk typically like we do.

648
00:33:05,720 --> 00:33:07,400
Speaker 1: They're going to try to find the path of least

649
00:33:07,440 --> 00:33:10,680
Speaker 1: resistance to get there. So I'm now looking where's that

650
00:33:10,760 --> 00:33:13,880
Speaker 1: bowl going to approach? Which direction Willy come in from?

651
00:33:14,200 --> 00:33:16,840
Speaker 1: As a right handed shooter, Once I've identified those, I

652
00:33:16,920 --> 00:33:20,680
Speaker 1: will typically put my left shoulder towards where I think

653
00:33:20,680 --> 00:33:22,840
Speaker 1: he's going to come from. And if I need to

654
00:33:22,960 --> 00:33:26,120
Speaker 1: give myself a little bit of margin of air, I

655
00:33:26,280 --> 00:33:28,280
Speaker 1: you know, as a right handed shooter, I can swing

656
00:33:28,960 --> 00:33:31,480
Speaker 1: you know, ninety one hundred and twenty degrees to my left.

657
00:33:31,640 --> 00:33:33,720
Speaker 1: If I try to draw my bow and swing much

658
00:33:33,720 --> 00:33:36,160
Speaker 1: to the right, I'm limited by maybe fifteen to twenty

659
00:33:36,200 --> 00:33:39,600
Speaker 1: degrees before my you know, my my shot and my

660
00:33:39,720 --> 00:33:44,320
Speaker 1: form falls apart. So I'm looking for that. I'm putting

661
00:33:44,320 --> 00:33:47,920
Speaker 1: my left shoulder towards it. And one thing, there are times,

662
00:33:47,960 --> 00:33:50,080
Speaker 1: so I want to point this out where i will

663
00:33:50,080 --> 00:33:52,000
Speaker 1: set up on my knees if I've got lots of

664
00:33:53,040 --> 00:33:55,720
Speaker 1: If I'm in an area where trees allow shots to

665
00:33:55,800 --> 00:33:58,600
Speaker 1: happen underneath of their bottom branches, or if they're dead,

666
00:33:58,840 --> 00:34:03,360
Speaker 1: or you know, things if branches and trees, if my

667
00:34:03,440 --> 00:34:08,719
Speaker 1: shot dictates lower, shooting to be a lot more probable

668
00:34:09,080 --> 00:34:11,480
Speaker 1: than getting a shot if I'm standing up. But I ideally,

669
00:34:11,560 --> 00:34:15,200
Speaker 1: if I don't believe it changes my shot opportunity. I

670
00:34:15,239 --> 00:34:17,799
Speaker 1: will typically stand up. It gives me more freedom to move.

671
00:34:18,280 --> 00:34:20,719
Speaker 1: I can grab sticks and beat trees, whatever it may be.

672
00:34:20,800 --> 00:34:22,279
Speaker 1: We'll get into tactics here in a little bit. I

673
00:34:22,280 --> 00:34:26,279
Speaker 1: prefer to stand up. Knees limits me. A lot of

674
00:34:26,320 --> 00:34:29,160
Speaker 1: times my feet go dead, my feet go to you know,

675
00:34:29,200 --> 00:34:31,920
Speaker 1: whatever it might beat, my legs go numb, go to sleep,

676
00:34:31,920 --> 00:34:33,719
Speaker 1: whatever it may be. And it's a lot of times

677
00:34:33,719 --> 00:34:36,160
Speaker 1: it's uncomfortable, and I'm a lot more comfortable when I

678
00:34:36,160 --> 00:34:40,400
Speaker 1: can stand. Can I move in this position without making

679
00:34:40,480 --> 00:34:45,600
Speaker 1: noise or moving brush? Avoid if possible, setting up in

680
00:34:45,640 --> 00:34:47,160
Speaker 1: the middle of a brush pile. A lot of times

681
00:34:47,160 --> 00:34:49,879
Speaker 1: people don't think about having, you know, twenty inches of arrow,

682
00:34:50,040 --> 00:34:51,719
Speaker 1: twenty five inches of arrow hanging out in front of

683
00:34:51,760 --> 00:34:55,320
Speaker 1: their bow or their stabilizer, or if a bowl doesn't

684
00:34:55,320 --> 00:34:58,239
Speaker 1: come in exactly where they want. It's it's very tough

685
00:34:58,280 --> 00:35:01,680
Speaker 1: to make movements. So I typically will set up in

686
00:35:01,680 --> 00:35:03,359
Speaker 1: front of a large tree, in front of a pile

687
00:35:03,360 --> 00:35:06,280
Speaker 1: of brush, and let let that break up my outline,

688
00:35:07,840 --> 00:35:11,960
Speaker 1: and and you know, don't don't set up in the

689
00:35:11,960 --> 00:35:14,200
Speaker 1: middle of a brush pile. I made some airs very

690
00:35:14,200 --> 00:35:17,279
Speaker 1: early on and I've had great success just trying to

691
00:35:17,280 --> 00:35:18,759
Speaker 1: blend in on the side of a tree, in front

692
00:35:18,760 --> 00:35:21,839
Speaker 1: of a tree, in front of brush. So the last

693
00:35:21,840 --> 00:35:24,200
Speaker 1: thing setting up you've got there the wind should be correct.

694
00:35:25,040 --> 00:35:26,880
Speaker 1: One thing I do want to mention is I prefer

695
00:35:26,960 --> 00:35:31,880
Speaker 1: to call bowls on on contour or slightly downhill. I

696
00:35:31,920 --> 00:35:35,200
Speaker 1: believe elk like to feel like they've got gravity on

697
00:35:35,200 --> 00:35:37,480
Speaker 1: their side. A bowl that may be getting into confrontation

698
00:35:37,520 --> 00:35:41,080
Speaker 1: would rather come downhill if not on contour, which also

699
00:35:41,120 --> 00:35:43,759
Speaker 1: gives you the ability to deal with some maybe some

700
00:35:43,800 --> 00:35:46,200
Speaker 1: swirling winds. It's a little bit of a conservative play.

701
00:35:46,600 --> 00:35:51,439
Speaker 1: And then the last way, but sometimes situations don't allow

702
00:35:51,480 --> 00:35:54,399
Speaker 1: anything different, is to call a bowl uphill. But if

703
00:35:54,440 --> 00:35:56,480
Speaker 1: I have my preference, that's where I like to set up,

704
00:35:57,280 --> 00:36:01,440
Speaker 1: to call a bowl slightly downhill or on contour. Now

705
00:36:01,880 --> 00:36:04,520
Speaker 1: we're dealing with the wind. If you set up with

706
00:36:04,560 --> 00:36:06,480
Speaker 1: the wind perfect, so let's say the wind's hitting you

707
00:36:06,520 --> 00:36:09,680
Speaker 1: directly in the nose, that's ideally a perfect wind setup

708
00:36:09,719 --> 00:36:14,120
Speaker 1: that gives you the most the highest factor of being conservative.

709
00:36:14,160 --> 00:36:16,719
Speaker 1: That bowl can now approach. You know, swing way to

710
00:36:16,760 --> 00:36:18,720
Speaker 1: the left, swing way to the right, and you've still

711
00:36:18,719 --> 00:36:23,800
Speaker 1: got good wind in your favor. But what I've found,

712
00:36:23,880 --> 00:36:26,040
Speaker 1: especially doing a lot of solo calling or even calling

713
00:36:26,040 --> 00:36:31,239
Speaker 1: for buddies, is if that bowl comes straight on, you're

714
00:36:31,320 --> 00:36:33,239
Speaker 1: left with the frontel shot, or you're left with that

715
00:36:33,280 --> 00:36:36,319
Speaker 1: bowl becoming a little bit nervous and turning broadside. He

716
00:36:36,400 --> 00:36:39,879
Speaker 1: doesn't typically turn broadside on his own when you've got

717
00:36:39,880 --> 00:36:43,520
Speaker 1: the wind too perfect. So let's use that wind to

718
00:36:43,600 --> 00:36:46,040
Speaker 1: our advantage and use it kind of as a steering wheel,

719
00:36:47,640 --> 00:36:50,040
Speaker 1: kind of a half moon wind approach. So if I

720
00:36:50,040 --> 00:36:52,600
Speaker 1: can now get that wind not being on my nose,

721
00:36:52,640 --> 00:36:55,359
Speaker 1: but let's say that wind's hitting my right cheek at

722
00:36:55,400 --> 00:36:58,080
Speaker 1: a forty five even up to a ninety degree angle

723
00:36:58,440 --> 00:37:01,080
Speaker 1: forty five, hit my right cheet, creeve my right ear,

724
00:37:01,840 --> 00:37:04,040
Speaker 1: so that winds hitting me in on the right side,

725
00:37:04,560 --> 00:37:09,480
Speaker 1: I can almost with very good probability now dictate or

726
00:37:09,600 --> 00:37:12,279
Speaker 1: guess that that bowl is now going to swing to

727
00:37:12,360 --> 00:37:16,120
Speaker 1: my left or the left of the caller's position. So

728
00:37:16,160 --> 00:37:17,560
Speaker 1: you can see how we can start to use that

729
00:37:17,600 --> 00:37:19,879
Speaker 1: to our own advantage where we call and maybe move

730
00:37:20,000 --> 00:37:21,799
Speaker 1: up to our left if we're not going to make

731
00:37:21,800 --> 00:37:24,440
Speaker 1: any more calling, or if we're calling for a buddy

732
00:37:24,520 --> 00:37:27,200
Speaker 1: or hunting partner. I would want to be down to

733
00:37:27,280 --> 00:37:29,839
Speaker 1: the right so that when that bowl does start to

734
00:37:29,920 --> 00:37:32,520
Speaker 1: half circle me and start to try to get the

735
00:37:32,560 --> 00:37:34,960
Speaker 1: wind on me, I pull him right into the shooter.

736
00:37:36,680 --> 00:37:39,200
Speaker 1: So this allows us to use the wind almost as

737
00:37:39,200 --> 00:37:44,000
Speaker 1: a steering wheel and put some unknowns into a bucket

738
00:37:44,000 --> 00:37:46,680
Speaker 1: of nones as we're as we're calling this bowl in,

739
00:37:47,160 --> 00:37:49,279
Speaker 1: and so as you set up, start to think about that,

740
00:37:49,320 --> 00:37:51,520
Speaker 1: if that bowl does start to circle my position a

741
00:37:51,520 --> 00:37:54,600
Speaker 1: lot of times from sixty seventy one hundred yards out,

742
00:37:54,760 --> 00:37:56,640
Speaker 1: what does this new approach now look like? Do I

743
00:37:56,680 --> 00:37:58,760
Speaker 1: have shooting lanes as he comes in on my left

744
00:37:59,560 --> 00:38:01,640
Speaker 1: or vice? Or so if if the wind's opposite coming

745
00:38:01,640 --> 00:38:04,759
Speaker 1: in on my right, think about that. Be an educated

746
00:38:04,880 --> 00:38:09,360
Speaker 1: hunter and use that to your advantage as you go

747
00:38:09,440 --> 00:38:13,560
Speaker 1: to set up. So earlier we talked about if we're

748
00:38:13,600 --> 00:38:17,000
Speaker 1: dealing with a herd bull versus a satellite bowl. Now

749
00:38:17,000 --> 00:38:20,480
Speaker 1: that we're set up, what's our what are we gonna call? Uh?

750
00:38:20,600 --> 00:38:23,120
Speaker 1: What's our what's our first call gonna be? And one

751
00:38:23,160 --> 00:38:25,600
Speaker 1: thing that I want to I want to start with

752
00:38:25,719 --> 00:38:28,239
Speaker 1: right out and even preface this whole conversation. This is

753
00:38:28,239 --> 00:38:30,719
Speaker 1: where we get into like individual tactics and techniques, and

754
00:38:30,760 --> 00:38:32,879
Speaker 1: there's there's a lot of ways to do it. You've

755
00:38:32,920 --> 00:38:35,880
Speaker 1: got guys out there that believe they understand elk language,

756
00:38:35,920 --> 00:38:38,560
Speaker 1: do a t and they can communicate with elk like

757
00:38:38,600 --> 00:38:41,560
Speaker 1: they're having a conversation. Some of those guys kill out

758
00:38:41,800 --> 00:38:45,680
Speaker 1: pretty routinely. There are guys like myself that call more

759
00:38:45,760 --> 00:38:49,240
Speaker 1: on a prescriptive, more of an attitude based calling, and

760
00:38:49,440 --> 00:38:52,439
Speaker 1: I find it to be very successful and a high

761
00:38:52,480 --> 00:38:55,160
Speaker 1: percentage of elk that we get to run the system

762
00:38:55,200 --> 00:38:58,120
Speaker 1: on we routinely call. And there's other guys out there.

763
00:38:58,440 --> 00:39:01,759
Speaker 1: You know, my buddy Brian Barney, Ryan Lamper. Some of

764
00:39:01,760 --> 00:39:04,320
Speaker 1: these guys that don't they do call well, Ryan calls,

765
00:39:04,360 --> 00:39:07,680
Speaker 1: Brian doesn't. But guys that don't call as much but

766
00:39:07,719 --> 00:39:12,520
Speaker 1: maybe use raking of trees and brush in in combination

767
00:39:12,640 --> 00:39:15,319
Speaker 1: with maybe a little bit less calling, they're also notching tag.

768
00:39:15,360 --> 00:39:16,719
Speaker 1: So I want to preface this, this is the way

769
00:39:16,760 --> 00:39:19,279
Speaker 1: I love to do it, and I want to I

770
00:39:19,320 --> 00:39:22,560
Speaker 1: want to give a little bit of why. So when

771
00:39:22,560 --> 00:39:25,680
Speaker 1: you and I'm not saying it's not as accomplished as

772
00:39:25,680 --> 00:39:27,640
Speaker 1: maybe even more accomplished, but when you kill an elk

773
00:39:27,680 --> 00:39:30,959
Speaker 1: that you've snuck in on. You didn't get to play

774
00:39:31,000 --> 00:39:35,319
Speaker 1: that chess match of me calling and interacting with the elk. Now,

775
00:39:35,360 --> 00:39:37,600
Speaker 1: it might be cool in its own sense that you,

776
00:39:37,600 --> 00:39:41,319
Speaker 1: you know, were able to get that close without being heard, smell, seen,

777
00:39:41,840 --> 00:39:45,480
Speaker 1: and still make a perfect shot. I'm out there. The

778
00:39:45,560 --> 00:39:48,000
Speaker 1: main reason is to interact with these elk. I love

779
00:39:48,080 --> 00:39:51,080
Speaker 1: nothing more than getting a bowl. You know, super pissed off,

780
00:39:51,920 --> 00:39:55,000
Speaker 1: eyes rolled back in his head, slobign you know, pi

781
00:39:55,080 --> 00:39:57,719
Speaker 1: and all over himself, just so pissed off at me.

782
00:39:58,120 --> 00:40:00,640
Speaker 1: And when he kind of turns that corner or push

783
00:40:00,760 --> 00:40:03,440
Speaker 1: us through some brush, his eyes rolled back in his

784
00:40:03,520 --> 00:40:05,319
Speaker 1: head and he hits me with that bigle from thirty

785
00:40:05,360 --> 00:40:08,879
Speaker 1: or forty yards away. That is the exact reason, all

786
00:40:08,880 --> 00:40:11,200
Speaker 1: bottled up into about ten seconds, that I'm out there

787
00:40:11,239 --> 00:40:13,239
Speaker 1: and why I love to archery elk hunt in the

788
00:40:13,320 --> 00:40:16,239
Speaker 1: rut so much. I'm out there for that experience. Yeah,

789
00:40:16,239 --> 00:40:18,040
Speaker 1: I could do it a bunch of different ways, but

790
00:40:18,080 --> 00:40:20,200
Speaker 1: that's what I want and that's why we're out there.

791
00:40:21,600 --> 00:40:24,400
Speaker 1: So we call and we play off of their temperament.

792
00:40:24,560 --> 00:40:27,080
Speaker 1: It's more of a I do this, he reacts this way.

793
00:40:27,160 --> 00:40:28,560
Speaker 1: Now I'm going to do this, and I'm going to

794
00:40:28,600 --> 00:40:32,040
Speaker 1: turn the temperature up on him, and it worked very,

795
00:40:32,160 --> 00:40:35,600
Speaker 1: very well. One other thing I want to talk about

796
00:40:35,640 --> 00:40:38,640
Speaker 1: before we get into actual calling tactics is don't get

797
00:40:38,719 --> 00:40:41,200
Speaker 1: hung up on being the absolute best caller. Yes, it

798
00:40:41,239 --> 00:40:43,799
Speaker 1: can help you gain volume, it can help you sound

799
00:40:43,840 --> 00:40:46,759
Speaker 1: more realistic, it can help you mimic elk, but all

800
00:40:46,800 --> 00:40:48,879
Speaker 1: oaks sound different. And there's been a few times where

801
00:40:48,880 --> 00:40:54,000
Speaker 1: real elk if really kind of got me or confused

802
00:40:54,000 --> 00:40:55,719
Speaker 1: me a little bit. I was ready to balance out

803
00:40:55,719 --> 00:40:57,400
Speaker 1: of a situation because I didn't want to feel like

804
00:40:57,400 --> 00:41:00,359
Speaker 1: I was being called in by somebody or give them

805
00:41:00,360 --> 00:41:04,759
Speaker 1: any of my energy, your effort. And you know, sure

806
00:41:04,800 --> 00:41:07,680
Speaker 1: as heck, those elk came right in what I thought

807
00:41:07,719 --> 00:41:10,040
Speaker 1: was a human. So so you don't have to be

808
00:41:10,040 --> 00:41:14,080
Speaker 1: the best elk caller ever. So let's say we know

809
00:41:14,200 --> 00:41:16,120
Speaker 1: we're on a herd bowl. We've confirmed it. We can

810
00:41:16,160 --> 00:41:18,799
Speaker 1: see cows, we can see herd bulls. He's he's doing

811
00:41:18,800 --> 00:41:22,560
Speaker 1: herd bowl things. Rounding up. What I like to do

812
00:41:22,960 --> 00:41:24,840
Speaker 1: is get close. We mentioned earlier, I want to be

813
00:41:24,840 --> 00:41:29,360
Speaker 1: within one hundred yards. I always make sure before I call,

814
00:41:29,440 --> 00:41:33,600
Speaker 1: especially in these close close quarters, you want to make

815
00:41:33,640 --> 00:41:37,680
Speaker 1: sure you've got your Aaron ocht and you've got your

816
00:41:37,880 --> 00:41:41,200
Speaker 1: release either on your bow or hooked up before you

817
00:41:41,239 --> 00:41:45,439
Speaker 1: start making calls. Sometimes this has happened very fast, where

818
00:41:45,719 --> 00:41:48,160
Speaker 1: elk for one reason or another come in very quickly,

819
00:41:48,560 --> 00:41:53,279
Speaker 1: very aggressively, and or happened very often that at the

820
00:41:53,280 --> 00:41:55,080
Speaker 1: time you set up, you couldn't see the bowl, but

821
00:41:55,080 --> 00:41:57,440
Speaker 1: maybe they're heading your direction, and within a second or

822
00:41:57,440 --> 00:42:00,640
Speaker 1: two he's now got a wide open he's got you pegged,

823
00:42:00,760 --> 00:42:02,560
Speaker 1: he knows where you're at, and his eyeballs are on

824
00:42:02,640 --> 00:42:05,600
Speaker 1: you or other cows are on you eyeball, so you

825
00:42:05,640 --> 00:42:07,279
Speaker 1: may not be able to get a chance to move

826
00:42:07,360 --> 00:42:10,960
Speaker 1: after that, So always be ready to shoot. So I

827
00:42:11,080 --> 00:42:14,680
Speaker 1: like to paint the scene that this bowl and he's

828
00:42:14,719 --> 00:42:16,279
Speaker 1: got a lot of work, right, He's got a lot

829
00:42:16,320 --> 00:42:19,279
Speaker 1: of times multiple cows, you know, smaller herds, I'd say

830
00:42:19,280 --> 00:42:21,520
Speaker 1: three four five, you know some of the bigger herds.

831
00:42:21,520 --> 00:42:23,600
Speaker 1: Some of these bulls are trying to run thirty forty

832
00:42:23,600 --> 00:42:26,080
Speaker 1: cows at once, and it becomes a full time job,

833
00:42:26,440 --> 00:42:30,719
Speaker 1: especially when you've got satellite bulls harassing them or kind

834
00:42:30,719 --> 00:42:32,760
Speaker 1: of pestering him. He's got a lot of work surrounding

835
00:42:32,800 --> 00:42:34,920
Speaker 1: his cows. So to paint this scene I want to

836
00:42:34,960 --> 00:42:37,600
Speaker 1: basically be a cow on the edge of his herd,

837
00:42:38,040 --> 00:42:41,320
Speaker 1: and I'm going to use some estrasty calls, some more wines,

838
00:42:41,360 --> 00:42:44,239
Speaker 1: you know, so your your typical cow call, Yeah, just

839
00:42:44,400 --> 00:42:50,560
Speaker 1: a mew an estrass wine is more up and down. Yeah.

840
00:42:50,600 --> 00:42:52,399
Speaker 1: So what I'm trying to let him do right off

841
00:42:52,400 --> 00:42:54,279
Speaker 1: the bat is that there's a cow on the edge

842
00:42:54,280 --> 00:42:57,440
Speaker 1: of your herd that you no longer have in your eyesight,

843
00:42:57,800 --> 00:43:01,160
Speaker 1: you have control over. And then very quickly after that,

844
00:43:01,640 --> 00:43:04,479
Speaker 1: I'm going to let a challenge bogle. Basically, I'm saying,

845
00:43:04,480 --> 00:43:06,200
Speaker 1: you have a cow on the edge of your herd

846
00:43:06,280 --> 00:43:09,000
Speaker 1: that needs some attention, but there's this new bowl that's

847
00:43:09,080 --> 00:43:12,359
Speaker 1: now right there on top of her. And a lot

848
00:43:12,400 --> 00:43:15,319
Speaker 1: of times why they're trying to we've set up this

849
00:43:15,520 --> 00:43:18,399
Speaker 1: you know, fight or flight type mentality during the run.

850
00:43:18,440 --> 00:43:20,000
Speaker 1: A lot of times you can take advantage of that

851
00:43:20,040 --> 00:43:22,799
Speaker 1: because that bold doesn't want to leave the opportunity to

852
00:43:22,840 --> 00:43:26,440
Speaker 1: breed that cow, pro create and whatnot. And I like

853
00:43:26,480 --> 00:43:31,560
Speaker 1: to use the analogy of what we're doing is is

854
00:43:31,640 --> 00:43:33,960
Speaker 1: let's say I'm I'm in a restaurant. Me and my

855
00:43:34,000 --> 00:43:37,200
Speaker 1: wife are eating in the back booth of a restaurant.

856
00:43:38,040 --> 00:43:40,239
Speaker 1: And why we get so close. And it's kind of

857
00:43:40,280 --> 00:43:43,319
Speaker 1: this shock and awe approach. If a guy walks in

858
00:43:43,400 --> 00:43:45,759
Speaker 1: the front door of the restaurant and yells my name

859
00:43:45,960 --> 00:43:48,920
Speaker 1: and some profanities or whatever he's gonna yell at and

860
00:43:48,920 --> 00:43:51,760
Speaker 1: basically say, I'm gonna take your wife, you know whatever,

861
00:43:51,800 --> 00:43:53,879
Speaker 1: you tick me off, whatever it may be, I've got

862
00:43:53,880 --> 00:43:56,520
Speaker 1: the opportunity, when you're that far away to just walk

863
00:43:56,520 --> 00:43:59,520
Speaker 1: out the back door, maybe maybe deflect, maybe get away

864
00:43:59,520 --> 00:44:01,240
Speaker 1: from the situation. So this is a lot of times

865
00:44:01,760 --> 00:44:04,239
Speaker 1: the biggest air hunters make is they call their way

866
00:44:04,239 --> 00:44:07,200
Speaker 1: into a setup, and that bull is not interested in

867
00:44:07,280 --> 00:44:10,480
Speaker 1: losing his cows. As a bull approaches, so we want

868
00:44:10,480 --> 00:44:13,279
Speaker 1: to be very very quiet, and so by painting this scene,

869
00:44:13,280 --> 00:44:14,719
Speaker 1: he's got a cow that's in need, and all of

870
00:44:14,760 --> 00:44:18,879
Speaker 1: a sudden, this bull hammers. He's made is he's been

871
00:44:18,920 --> 00:44:21,480
Speaker 1: able to approach silently and all of a sudden he's there.

872
00:44:21,480 --> 00:44:23,120
Speaker 1: A lot of times this is enough to turn that

873
00:44:23,160 --> 00:44:25,920
Speaker 1: bull's temperature up very very quickly, and a lot of

874
00:44:25,960 --> 00:44:28,000
Speaker 1: times that's been the only two calls I've had to make.

875
00:44:28,040 --> 00:44:30,640
Speaker 1: You can start to hear brush break, you can start

876
00:44:30,680 --> 00:44:34,120
Speaker 1: to hear approaches and a lot of times that's all

877
00:44:34,160 --> 00:44:36,040
Speaker 1: we need if we've got close enough. There are times

878
00:44:36,040 --> 00:44:37,480
Speaker 1: where you get in a little bit of a battle

879
00:44:37,520 --> 00:44:40,640
Speaker 1: where you need to pull that bowl off of the herd,

880
00:44:40,760 --> 00:44:43,239
Speaker 1: or you may need to follow him. And so if

881
00:44:43,239 --> 00:44:46,080
Speaker 1: we get into too much calling, I ideally want that

882
00:44:46,120 --> 00:44:49,680
Speaker 1: bull to make the next call after I've made those two.

883
00:44:50,280 --> 00:44:52,680
Speaker 1: If he does, I mimic him, or I walk right

884
00:44:52,719 --> 00:44:55,560
Speaker 1: on top of his bugle. So I typically have my

885
00:44:55,600 --> 00:44:58,000
Speaker 1: bugle handy. As soon as he bugles, I'm right back

886
00:44:58,080 --> 00:45:00,799
Speaker 1: on top of him, and I don't let him ever quote,

887
00:45:01,040 --> 00:45:03,960
Speaker 1: you know, kind of finish his his what he wants

888
00:45:04,000 --> 00:45:05,839
Speaker 1: to say. I'm always walking on top of him. I'm

889
00:45:05,840 --> 00:45:08,680
Speaker 1: always mimicking what he has to say, and I'm trying

890
00:45:08,719 --> 00:45:11,400
Speaker 1: to turn that temperature dial up, you know, turn his

891
00:45:11,480 --> 00:45:14,400
Speaker 1: dermos that make it higher and higher. So he's getting frustrated,

892
00:45:14,440 --> 00:45:20,120
Speaker 1: more angry, and and ideally he will continue to call,

893
00:45:20,160 --> 00:45:21,879
Speaker 1: and I will walk on top of him. I don't

894
00:45:21,960 --> 00:45:25,280
Speaker 1: necessarily want to control the conversation by me, by me talking,

895
00:45:25,440 --> 00:45:28,239
Speaker 1: but if I need to, if forty five seconds to

896
00:45:28,280 --> 00:45:30,279
Speaker 1: a minute, minute and a half's gone by and I

897
00:45:30,280 --> 00:45:33,200
Speaker 1: haven't heard Elk moving, I haven't heard other beagles. I

898
00:45:33,200 --> 00:45:37,000
Speaker 1: haven't heard other cow sillens. I will kind of see

899
00:45:37,719 --> 00:45:40,719
Speaker 1: what we need to do, and during this if this

900
00:45:40,800 --> 00:45:43,200
Speaker 1: is where mimicry comes in. If if this bowl's screaming,

901
00:45:43,239 --> 00:45:44,880
Speaker 1: I will scream back out of him. If he's got

902
00:45:44,920 --> 00:45:47,600
Speaker 1: a guttural grunt with some chuckles, I will do the

903
00:45:47,640 --> 00:45:50,600
Speaker 1: same thing. And I'll try to and I'll kind of

904
00:45:50,680 --> 00:45:52,880
Speaker 1: roll with that through the next uh, through the next

905
00:45:52,880 --> 00:45:55,400
Speaker 1: call and the next call, and try to amplify that

906
00:45:55,440 --> 00:45:59,200
Speaker 1: and really just get him more upset and more upset.

907
00:45:59,239 --> 00:46:03,160
Speaker 1: And one thing. We a lot of times there are

908
00:46:03,239 --> 00:46:05,759
Speaker 1: multiple setups in order to get a bowl to turn,

909
00:46:05,800 --> 00:46:07,839
Speaker 1: you know. So sometimes it works on the first try.

910
00:46:07,960 --> 00:46:10,759
Speaker 1: Sometimes we need to move sixty seventy yards closer, or

911
00:46:11,640 --> 00:46:14,239
Speaker 1: that bowl will semi round up his cows and take

912
00:46:14,280 --> 00:46:16,360
Speaker 1: them in the opposite direction. As long as we've got

913
00:46:16,400 --> 00:46:19,920
Speaker 1: the wind right, we will move sixty seventy yards vegetation

914
00:46:20,000 --> 00:46:25,160
Speaker 1: and train allowing and reset up. So really we're just

915
00:46:25,280 --> 00:46:28,880
Speaker 1: trying to gauge him. And if if I get that

916
00:46:28,960 --> 00:46:31,200
Speaker 1: little bit of time between the estrous cow call and

917
00:46:31,280 --> 00:46:34,960
Speaker 1: let's say the bugle, the challenge bugle, that I'm kind

918
00:46:34,960 --> 00:46:37,080
Speaker 1: of throwing the whole kitchen sink at him. If that

919
00:46:37,120 --> 00:46:39,680
Speaker 1: bull hammers my cal call, I may just stay with

920
00:46:39,760 --> 00:46:43,919
Speaker 1: that and this and this is herd bowl tactics. Only

921
00:46:44,200 --> 00:46:47,000
Speaker 1: is being very aggressive with the bugle. Will now kind

922
00:46:47,000 --> 00:46:49,479
Speaker 1: of go into the satellite bowl. I know I'm dealing

923
00:46:49,520 --> 00:46:53,400
Speaker 1: with the satellite bowl. I will go to lots of

924
00:46:53,480 --> 00:46:56,880
Speaker 1: heavy sexy cow calling. There's no need to necessarily use

925
00:46:56,920 --> 00:47:01,160
Speaker 1: a bugle in this situation. If he's bonding the cow calls,

926
00:47:01,520 --> 00:47:03,640
Speaker 1: I'm going to stay with him. If I feel like

927
00:47:03,640 --> 00:47:05,319
Speaker 1: I'm losing him, I may throw in like a little

928
00:47:05,360 --> 00:47:07,640
Speaker 1: moan bugle to let him know like an immature bull's

929
00:47:07,680 --> 00:47:10,880
Speaker 1: got some cows down in here, but never really just

930
00:47:10,920 --> 00:47:13,600
Speaker 1: blast them with the herd bulls sound. Because these bulls

931
00:47:13,760 --> 00:47:16,160
Speaker 1: have established a pecking order, they kind of know based

932
00:47:16,200 --> 00:47:19,200
Speaker 1: on bugle what's what. And so we'll typically throw lots

933
00:47:19,200 --> 00:47:21,160
Speaker 1: of sexy cow calling at them. And we've been able

934
00:47:21,160 --> 00:47:24,200
Speaker 1: to call elkin and burns where we've been able to

935
00:47:24,280 --> 00:47:26,640
Speaker 1: watch as we throw more cow calls at him, the

936
00:47:26,680 --> 00:47:29,200
Speaker 1: faster that bull will move through. So we've got enough.

937
00:47:29,480 --> 00:47:32,280
Speaker 1: You almost can't cal call enough. You stop cal calling,

938
00:47:32,360 --> 00:47:34,399
Speaker 1: he'll slow down. You pick it up and that bowl

939
00:47:34,400 --> 00:47:40,120
Speaker 1: will approach faster. But with this said, I basically said,

940
00:47:40,120 --> 00:47:43,759
Speaker 1: there's these prescriptive, cookie cutter approaches, but I know as

941
00:47:43,760 --> 00:47:45,399
Speaker 1: soon as I go out in the field, I'm never

942
00:47:45,680 --> 00:47:47,719
Speaker 1: just doing these. These are kind of the standard that

943
00:47:47,760 --> 00:47:50,960
Speaker 1: we build off of. Let's say I'm walking along a

944
00:47:50,960 --> 00:47:53,120
Speaker 1: trail and I get a whiff of elk coming up

945
00:47:53,200 --> 00:47:55,040
Speaker 1: the hill and there's a nice little pocket or a

946
00:47:55,040 --> 00:47:58,319
Speaker 1: bench down there, I may elect to just cow call

947
00:47:59,320 --> 00:48:02,600
Speaker 1: a mune, not even an estress wine, nothing, just to yeah,

948
00:48:02,920 --> 00:48:05,239
Speaker 1: if I get a bowl to answer that, and I move,

949
00:48:06,000 --> 00:48:08,000
Speaker 1: Let's say I can't move far, but I go eighty

950
00:48:08,080 --> 00:48:09,880
Speaker 1: yards for the down the hill, and the bowl answers

951
00:48:09,920 --> 00:48:12,239
Speaker 1: that I don't even need to know if it's a

952
00:48:12,239 --> 00:48:13,960
Speaker 1: herd bull or a satellite bowl at that. If he's

953
00:48:14,000 --> 00:48:16,440
Speaker 1: being responsive and seems like he's approaching to a calcol,

954
00:48:16,840 --> 00:48:20,560
Speaker 1: I would be you know, it would be kind of

955
00:48:20,560 --> 00:48:22,719
Speaker 1: a stupid play for me to change to one of

956
00:48:22,760 --> 00:48:25,960
Speaker 1: my scenes or one of my prescriptions that I typically

957
00:48:26,040 --> 00:48:28,200
Speaker 1: call in. I'm gonna go ahead and stick with that

958
00:48:28,320 --> 00:48:30,640
Speaker 1: calmw until it doesn't work or until that bowl doesn't

959
00:48:30,640 --> 00:48:33,200
Speaker 1: get there, and then maybe, you know, escalate it to

960
00:48:33,360 --> 00:48:36,920
Speaker 1: a estress, wine or whatever it may be, but use

961
00:48:36,960 --> 00:48:39,360
Speaker 1: what works out there. People get too hung up on

962
00:48:39,480 --> 00:48:43,040
Speaker 1: doing things a specific or a certain way, or hey

963
00:48:43,040 --> 00:48:44,759
Speaker 1: I read this on the internet that I need to

964
00:48:44,760 --> 00:48:48,439
Speaker 1: do this, or it worked that one time. I think

965
00:48:48,480 --> 00:48:51,400
Speaker 1: one of the things that makes you a good l

966
00:48:51,480 --> 00:48:54,480
Speaker 1: hunter or somebody that finds success more times than not

967
00:48:54,680 --> 00:48:57,880
Speaker 1: is the ability to quickly reduce what the situation is

968
00:48:57,920 --> 00:48:59,600
Speaker 1: and what you need to do as far as sounds

969
00:48:59,600 --> 00:49:01,920
Speaker 1: you need to make. There are certain situations where I'm

970
00:49:01,960 --> 00:49:04,399
Speaker 1: just like this thing, elk doesn't care what I say

971
00:49:04,440 --> 00:49:07,080
Speaker 1: to him. He's only beagling every five or ten minutes

972
00:49:07,080 --> 00:49:09,279
Speaker 1: on his own. If that's the case, like I need

973
00:49:09,280 --> 00:49:11,160
Speaker 1: to shut up, I need to be more aggressive, I

974
00:49:11,160 --> 00:49:13,879
Speaker 1: need to use more spot in stock techniques. I need

975
00:49:13,880 --> 00:49:15,560
Speaker 1: to get in close and then maybe call when I

976
00:49:15,600 --> 00:49:17,319
Speaker 1: get closer, and then if it doesn't work, then then

977
00:49:17,320 --> 00:49:19,120
Speaker 1: you may need to finish it off with spot in stock.

978
00:49:19,200 --> 00:49:22,640
Speaker 1: So it's just being an educated hunter that kind of

979
00:49:23,040 --> 00:49:25,680
Speaker 1: knows what to do. And so I've kind of got

980
00:49:25,719 --> 00:49:28,400
Speaker 1: like the you know, the steal a cow scene where

981
00:49:28,440 --> 00:49:31,319
Speaker 1: there's that cow on the edge of the herd, a

982
00:49:31,360 --> 00:49:34,120
Speaker 1: new bowl shows up. He's there to take care care

983
00:49:34,160 --> 00:49:37,480
Speaker 1: of and you know, breed that cow and then satellite

984
00:49:37,480 --> 00:49:40,320
Speaker 1: bowl lots of sexy cow. But really just do what's working.

985
00:49:40,360 --> 00:49:43,799
Speaker 1: The other thing I like to take into account is

986
00:49:43,840 --> 00:49:47,680
Speaker 1: what's going on out in the elk woods without us intervening.

987
00:49:47,800 --> 00:49:51,160
Speaker 1: Are these elk super talkative? Does this bowl have a

988
00:49:51,239 --> 00:49:54,840
Speaker 1: lot of satellites around like those herd dynamics of the

989
00:49:54,920 --> 00:49:57,719
Speaker 1: area and the time, and the percent of cows that

990
00:49:57,719 --> 00:50:00,160
Speaker 1: are currently in estress. All of that plays into you

991
00:50:01,640 --> 00:50:03,239
Speaker 1: how talkative the elk are going to be. What my

992
00:50:03,320 --> 00:50:06,359
Speaker 1: response should be, And so I like to just let

993
00:50:06,400 --> 00:50:10,759
Speaker 1: the situation, the information I know, kind of call my

994
00:50:10,800 --> 00:50:15,359
Speaker 1: next move, even though we're pretty prescriptive and I need

995
00:50:15,400 --> 00:50:17,479
Speaker 1: to be able to adjust to what's happening in front

996
00:50:17,520 --> 00:50:20,520
Speaker 1: of me right now. And a lot of times we

997
00:50:20,520 --> 00:50:23,319
Speaker 1: get asked Solover's partner strategy. I mentioned you we use

998
00:50:23,360 --> 00:50:24,960
Speaker 1: the wind a little bit different. A lot of times

999
00:50:24,960 --> 00:50:27,360
Speaker 1: we can throw throw those callers up in front. But

1000
00:50:27,440 --> 00:50:30,200
Speaker 1: this isn't like some of the old truth videos I

1001
00:50:30,239 --> 00:50:32,600
Speaker 1: got to watch grown up. You know, public land elk,

1002
00:50:33,080 --> 00:50:35,839
Speaker 1: you can't typically set that caller one hundred yards back

1003
00:50:35,880 --> 00:50:39,400
Speaker 1: because you've now just disrupted that that threat bubble, or

1004
00:50:39,480 --> 00:50:42,680
Speaker 1: that that elk's ability to walk away from his cows,

1005
00:50:42,719 --> 00:50:46,319
Speaker 1: that his for sure thing to come find this new

1006
00:50:46,360 --> 00:50:48,840
Speaker 1: cow that showed up, that that's not coming his direction.

1007
00:50:49,040 --> 00:50:52,840
Speaker 1: So when we when we do partner strategies, our partners

1008
00:50:52,840 --> 00:50:54,640
Speaker 1: typically in our hip pocket. And the other reason I

1009
00:50:54,719 --> 00:50:56,400
Speaker 1: like to do that is a lot of times the

1010
00:50:56,440 --> 00:50:59,200
Speaker 1: shooter's got a better you know, he's got better optics

1011
00:50:59,600 --> 00:51:01,400
Speaker 1: of this situation and how it's playing out and what

1012
00:51:01,440 --> 00:51:04,200
Speaker 1: the bull is doing, and we can relay. We can

1013
00:51:04,239 --> 00:51:07,200
Speaker 1: give hand signs back to our caller. Hey, maybe you

1014
00:51:07,239 --> 00:51:08,960
Speaker 1: do need to fade back because he's now hung up

1015
00:51:08,960 --> 00:51:10,879
Speaker 1: at seventy yards, like we didn't make a good enough

1016
00:51:10,880 --> 00:51:14,400
Speaker 1: decision on his hang up point, or like, man, this

1017
00:51:14,480 --> 00:51:17,520
Speaker 1: thing is just tearing up brush. Every time you hit

1018
00:51:18,200 --> 00:51:20,319
Speaker 1: a bugle like beagle a little bit more or more

1019
00:51:21,040 --> 00:51:24,080
Speaker 1: frequently versus stay away from cal calls, whatever it may be,

1020
00:51:24,320 --> 00:51:27,840
Speaker 1: we can at least communicate. And one other thing I

1021
00:51:27,960 --> 00:51:32,680
Speaker 1: like to add to the calling natural sounds is brush breaking.

1022
00:51:34,040 --> 00:51:37,799
Speaker 1: I always always set up with a tree branch it's

1023
00:51:37,840 --> 00:51:39,400
Speaker 1: you know, two two and a half three inches in

1024
00:51:39,440 --> 00:51:42,600
Speaker 1: diameter next to me, and ideally, if the if the

1025
00:51:42,640 --> 00:51:46,120
Speaker 1: spot allows I want to be next to a tree

1026
00:51:46,200 --> 00:51:49,439
Speaker 1: with with dry bark or broken you know, dried out

1027
00:51:49,480 --> 00:51:51,239
Speaker 1: limbs that I can just beat the heck out of

1028
00:51:51,280 --> 00:51:54,680
Speaker 1: and create that that imitation, because a lot of bulls,

1029
00:51:54,719 --> 00:51:57,719
Speaker 1: as we call them in especially on what I would say,

1030
00:51:57,719 --> 00:52:00,560
Speaker 1: your your longer call ins that that take a little

1031
00:52:00,560 --> 00:52:03,440
Speaker 1: more time to develop. That bull will typically find a

1032
00:52:03,480 --> 00:52:06,759
Speaker 1: tree somewhere between you and him the rake and kind

1033
00:52:06,760 --> 00:52:09,080
Speaker 1: of show off his dominance and get his horn, you know,

1034
00:52:09,239 --> 00:52:11,279
Speaker 1: put his scent down on that tree, whatever it may be,

1035
00:52:11,400 --> 00:52:16,200
Speaker 1: establishing his area. We like to mimic that, and if

1036
00:52:16,200 --> 00:52:18,000
Speaker 1: you can beat the heck out of a tree, it

1037
00:52:18,080 --> 00:52:20,839
Speaker 1: just adds to the realism of the situation that yeah,

1038
00:52:20,840 --> 00:52:23,239
Speaker 1: there's a bull bugling, but he's also raking, and it

1039
00:52:23,320 --> 00:52:29,399
Speaker 1: kind of puts all that together. So that's really I mean,

1040
00:52:29,840 --> 00:52:32,319
Speaker 1: as much as I would like to say calling is

1041
00:52:32,360 --> 00:52:35,080
Speaker 1: a it is very important to my success and getting

1042
00:52:35,080 --> 00:52:37,040
Speaker 1: the game started. As far as how you call, elkin,

1043
00:52:37,400 --> 00:52:40,400
Speaker 1: I feel your setup, in your approach or so much more,

1044
00:52:42,719 --> 00:52:46,200
Speaker 1: so much more important to the outcome and your success

1045
00:52:46,280 --> 00:52:50,280
Speaker 1: than the actual calling. And it's really just taking their temperature.

1046
00:52:50,320 --> 00:52:52,799
Speaker 1: Does this call work? Yes or no? And I guess

1047
00:52:52,840 --> 00:52:56,799
Speaker 1: I should say in certain situations, there's level of threats, right,

1048
00:52:56,840 --> 00:52:59,880
Speaker 1: like a big challenge beagle like right in the bulls

1049
00:53:00,320 --> 00:53:02,239
Speaker 1: is probably the highest level of threat you can throw

1050
00:53:02,280 --> 00:53:06,040
Speaker 1: at them right out of the gate, versus a kafir calmew,

1051
00:53:06,800 --> 00:53:11,879
Speaker 1: very non threatening, very just elk communicating to each other

1052
00:53:12,320 --> 00:53:15,000
Speaker 1: versus like, hey, let's maybe do a spike squeal or

1053
00:53:15,040 --> 00:53:17,160
Speaker 1: an immature bowl bugle and then you may be a

1054
00:53:17,200 --> 00:53:20,800
Speaker 1: squeal and then maybe some moans and maybe some chuckles.

1055
00:53:20,800 --> 00:53:23,280
Speaker 1: Like there are ways to build up to the full blown,

1056
00:53:25,000 --> 00:53:27,279
Speaker 1: you know, challenge bugle that you're gonna throw at them.

1057
00:53:27,320 --> 00:53:30,439
Speaker 1: And so there are times where if the rout doesn't

1058
00:53:30,440 --> 00:53:32,560
Speaker 1: seem to be just going crazy and maybe the challenge

1059
00:53:32,600 --> 00:53:35,040
Speaker 1: bugle isn't the right thing, I might I might just

1060
00:53:35,400 --> 00:53:39,560
Speaker 1: start at a lower threat level and then slowly build.

1061
00:53:39,719 --> 00:53:44,319
Speaker 1: So that's kind of my strategy. I highly recommend to everybody, like,

1062
00:53:44,440 --> 00:53:49,120
Speaker 1: go find a strategy, a system that you like, and

1063
00:53:49,239 --> 00:53:51,440
Speaker 1: put it to use. But that that's going to kind

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Speaker 1: of wrap it up on part two of the elk

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Speaker 1: hunting this is a little bit different. This is kind

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Speaker 1: of what I go through during my seminars a little

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Speaker 1: bit semi you know, We've reduced it a little bit

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Speaker 1: so it can it can fit in the confines of

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Speaker 1: a podcast. But that is really my strategy. It's really

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Speaker 1: really simple. Like people want to overcomplicate it, they want

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Speaker 1: to make it so you have to read books and

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Speaker 1: books on how to do this, and I honestly keep

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Speaker 1: it very, very simple. We run the same thing over

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Speaker 1: and over the progressions, and I think you go out

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Speaker 1: there and put some of this to use and be

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Speaker 1: confident in your approach, be confident in your calling. You're

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Speaker 1: gonna find some success this year. So thanks a lot

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Speaker 1: listening to part two of el Hunting. Good luck to

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Speaker 1: everybody out there, and once again you have questions for us,

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Speaker 1: feel free to email us at ctdapp colbsgamecalls dot com.

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Speaker 1: Thank you very much for listening.