WEBVTT - Talkin' Cowboys: Matching Up With Green Bay 0:00:01.800 --> 0:00:07.360 This he is Talking Cowboys, screaming live on Dallas Cowboys 0:00:07.400 --> 0:00:16.119 dot com and the official Dallas Cowboys as one no 0:00:16.640 --> 0:00:21.560 your hosts, Mickey's Fagnola, Brian brought us Taylor Stern and 0:00:22.160 --> 0:00:26.960 Rob Phillips. Hello everyone, and welcome into Talking Cowboys of course, 0:00:27.000 --> 0:00:30.680 always joined by the great Mickey, Rob Brian, myself inside 0:00:30.760 --> 0:00:34.480 the SWBC Mortgage studio, and we've got to get into 0:00:34.479 --> 0:00:37.080 the Green Bay game. It's time to turn our attention 0:00:37.159 --> 0:00:40.040 away from the loss and to this week. As Garrett said, 0:00:40.280 --> 0:00:42.919 he's not even focused on last year's game. It's all 0:00:42.960 --> 0:00:45.760 about this week, this week, this week. But how are 0:00:45.760 --> 0:00:48.720 you guys doing. I know Mickey's watching up there to see. 0:00:48.760 --> 0:00:51.440 The NFC Offensive Player of the Week was was none 0:00:51.440 --> 0:00:55.279 other than Todd Gurley. Shocking, absolutely shocking when you get 0:00:55.320 --> 0:00:57.960 two hundred and fifteen yards from scrimmage. I think we 0:00:58.080 --> 0:01:00.400 called that at the end of the game. Yeah, I 0:01:00.440 --> 0:01:03.360 think that wasn't surprising to not at all breaking news. 0:01:03.520 --> 0:01:06.760 He was outstanding. He was outstanding. And the NFC defensive 0:01:06.800 --> 0:01:09.160 Player of the Week last year, again to the Packers, 0:01:09.560 --> 0:01:12.240 was David Irving. Of course, returning this week after his 0:01:12.360 --> 0:01:15.640 four game suspension, he does not have to be activated 0:01:15.680 --> 0:01:19.319 to the fifty three man roster until Saturday at three pm. 0:01:19.480 --> 0:01:22.520 So you know, guys, one day down, you were in 0:01:22.520 --> 0:01:24.880 the locker room yesterday you heard a little bit from Garrett. 0:01:25.240 --> 0:01:27.360 Do you think you have a better idea of what 0:01:27.480 --> 0:01:29.960 might be a change there. I know we talked maybe 0:01:29.959 --> 0:01:34.319 Nolan Carroll, but Garrett said he's practicing him today. I 0:01:34.360 --> 0:01:37.160 think they're gonna go with Ben Wickery myself. That's just 0:01:37.319 --> 0:01:40.120 that's just me as the cut irving. Yeah, as he 0:01:40.160 --> 0:01:43.479 made it easier kind of with well he just get 0:01:43.560 --> 0:01:46.399 done much, Yeah, exactly, and these other guys are getting healthy. 0:01:46.520 --> 0:01:48.960 You know, he was at it his insurance for initially 0:01:49.000 --> 0:01:51.520 for Jordan Lewis. So you know, if you had to 0:01:51.560 --> 0:01:53.600 go light at a corner, I'd say he might be 0:01:53.640 --> 0:01:56.880 the guy. I'd say Carroll's experience, I would still want 0:01:56.960 --> 0:01:59.080 him as part of this group with so many he 0:01:59.200 --> 0:02:01.880 was your starter again science, Yeah, so that's probably why 0:02:01.880 --> 0:02:04.040 they would keep him around. Yeah, you don't want to 0:02:04.080 --> 0:02:07.360 let him go now. Ben Wickery, of course wasn't active 0:02:07.400 --> 0:02:10.280 the first two games active or was he active? No, 0:02:10.360 --> 0:02:12.720 it was week three that was his first week active 0:02:13.360 --> 0:02:16.280 and didn't do a whole lot like Mickey, Special teams, yeah, 0:02:16.360 --> 0:02:20.240 special teams only, but positive news, positive news. We do 0:02:20.560 --> 0:02:23.800 know that a Woozier and Carol will be practicing today. 0:02:23.840 --> 0:02:26.160 We don't know exactly how much. I know, you know, 0:02:26.200 --> 0:02:28.440 we're kind of looking out there seeing what was going on. 0:02:28.480 --> 0:02:30.639 We can't see too much, but at least they're back 0:02:30.639 --> 0:02:32.880 out there in a Woozier. Do you guys feel like 0:02:32.919 --> 0:02:35.119 that was enough time for him to rest that hamstring 0:02:35.200 --> 0:02:39.040 the two weeks. If he gets into full practice today, 0:02:39.080 --> 0:02:43.079 I think you feel good about him going Sunday. Can 0:02:43.120 --> 0:02:45.760 you dress him? You dress him over Carol? Is that 0:02:45.800 --> 0:02:48.520 what you would do? Carroll? You still don't know about Yeah, 0:02:48.919 --> 0:02:51.040 but if they both were healthy, if both were healthy, 0:02:51.080 --> 0:02:54.760 would you dress him over Carol? In this game? I 0:02:54.760 --> 0:03:00.000 know we'll get into that. I would lean towards Woozier. Yes, yeah, 0:03:00.200 --> 0:03:02.280 make you Why do you say yes? I just think 0:03:02.360 --> 0:03:05.120 that he's pretty good and they want to get him 0:03:05.160 --> 0:03:10.120 on the field, and um, you know Carol. So Jason 0:03:10.400 --> 0:03:14.160 kind of skirted the question about if he'd been cleared 0:03:14.280 --> 0:03:17.960 from his concussion protocol, and I still think he's got 0:03:17.960 --> 0:03:20.919 to have a full practice and feel good the next day. Yeah. Yeah, 0:03:20.919 --> 0:03:23.560 I feel like on Friday he had a full practice 0:03:23.600 --> 0:03:25.639 and didn't feel good the next day. That's why he 0:03:26.080 --> 0:03:30.440 was inactive. So he's still he's still got a ways 0:03:30.480 --> 0:03:33.079 to go before he's cleared to play. So yeah, I 0:03:33.120 --> 0:03:36.240 think Woozier, you know, regardless. Yeah, I mean, it's the 0:03:36.280 --> 0:03:39.480 Packers and it's Aaron Rodgers, but it's the Packers. But 0:03:39.560 --> 0:03:41.560 these young guys, the only way they're going to get 0:03:41.600 --> 0:03:44.640 better is to play. These young guys in the secondary Lewis, 0:03:44.840 --> 0:03:47.520 Woozier Woods, all of them. They need to play. This 0:03:47.600 --> 0:03:50.440 is good experience. This is really good experience. Hey can 0:03:50.560 --> 0:03:53.520 test your metal a little bit, test you guys. And 0:03:53.640 --> 0:03:56.000 this is the last game before the Cowboys bye week, 0:03:56.040 --> 0:03:59.440 which will happen in week six. But going back to it, 0:03:59.520 --> 0:04:02.640 Shaun Lee and Hitchens will be limited in practice today. 0:04:03.000 --> 0:04:05.800 What do you guys think that that translates to? I 0:04:05.800 --> 0:04:09.320 don't think Sean Lee is gonna practice myself. Okay, I 0:04:09.360 --> 0:04:11.240 think that I think that just watching that, did you 0:04:11.280 --> 0:04:14.240 go outside, He's gonna go go out there and do 0:04:14.360 --> 0:04:19.520 the drills. Yeah, the warm up. Um. And when I 0:04:19.560 --> 0:04:24.280 talked to him yesterday, he said he was close. Yeah, 0:04:24.320 --> 0:04:26.640 I'm not there yet. I'm close, And he said, we'll 0:04:26.680 --> 0:04:29.560 see how the week goes. And then I mentioned, does 0:04:29.640 --> 0:04:33.039 close mean you gotta buy coming up? Because we got 0:04:33.040 --> 0:04:35.720 to consider that. Yeah, he goes. So I know I 0:04:35.760 --> 0:04:40.080 can't go out there and and reinjure this. So he goes. 0:04:40.120 --> 0:04:45.280 I've I can do a lot, but I'm not if 0:04:45.279 --> 0:04:48.600 he reinjures it. It's like seeing Thanksgiving. Yeah, you know 0:04:48.720 --> 0:04:51.960 that's the risk. Yeah, I think they'll be very careful 0:04:52.040 --> 0:04:54.839 with that one. I think Hitchens may be ready to go. 0:04:55.040 --> 0:04:59.239 Hitchens and walking out here, Hitchens and Smith, we're inside 0:04:59.240 --> 0:05:03.720 linebackers doing their blitz card stuff. Hitchens was playing it 0:05:03.839 --> 0:05:07.360 was playing inside along with along with Smith, and they 0:05:07.400 --> 0:05:09.680 had when they went and they had ninety five and 0:05:09.680 --> 0:05:12.520 they're practicing at the one with ninety six. So they 0:05:12.520 --> 0:05:15.880 were playing. They were playing Urban a defensive tackle and 0:05:15.920 --> 0:05:18.799 they were playing Uh Collins next him at the three. 0:05:19.200 --> 0:05:22.240 I didn't see Steven Paya, so I was more curious 0:05:22.240 --> 0:05:24.120 about what they were going to do. Thirty three was 0:05:24.160 --> 0:05:27.040 on the field, like you said, that's a woozier Uh. 0:05:27.120 --> 0:05:30.119 And Nolan Carroll was coming on with the second group, 0:05:30.520 --> 0:05:33.240 so they're practicing him right now. So they were in 0:05:33.360 --> 0:05:37.599 base Lee wasn't out there, no, but Hitchens was taking 0:05:37.640 --> 0:05:42.360 his play absolutely and Smith And when I talked when 0:05:42.360 --> 0:05:44.800 I walked off yesterday with David Irving and we're talking 0:05:44.839 --> 0:05:47.200 about where he's gonna play, Dotto, this and that, and 0:05:47.240 --> 0:05:52.440 finally he goes, you know one technique and I said, seriously, 0:05:52.520 --> 0:05:54.720 go Yeah, he goes. I think they're serious about it, 0:05:54.960 --> 0:05:58.760 So we'll see if they are. But why not? Yeah? 0:05:58.839 --> 0:06:01.960 I mean when he was most effective against the Packers 0:06:02.000 --> 0:06:04.920 that game, he was inside the majority of the time. 0:06:05.040 --> 0:06:07.960 He mentioned inside yesterday, Yes, but he said maybe all 0:06:08.000 --> 0:06:11.479 over too. So he's so he's an option everywhere, really 0:06:11.520 --> 0:06:15.360 having anywhere. So having said that and knowing they got 0:06:15.400 --> 0:06:19.720 to release somebody to get him on Brian Price, Brian Price, 0:06:19.800 --> 0:06:22.280 a name a guy from If they're thinking he can 0:06:22.320 --> 0:06:24.719 play inside, I would I would put this is what 0:06:24.720 --> 0:06:27.080 I would do. I'd put Stephen Pie on ir is 0:06:27.080 --> 0:06:29.160 what I would do. Wow, you think he's really that limited? 0:06:29.920 --> 0:06:31.880 Is that he's not going to practice all week, so 0:06:31.920 --> 0:06:34.440 he hadn't practiced the last two weeks. Stephen Pie is 0:06:34.480 --> 0:06:36.000 not going to help you in this. And he didn't 0:06:36.080 --> 0:06:39.080 play like he was playing in training he's not. He's 0:06:39.120 --> 0:06:42.000 not this This would be a way that you keep him, 0:06:42.000 --> 0:06:44.080 You pay him, and it's it's kind of a nice thing. 0:06:44.120 --> 0:06:46.479 You don't have to let somebody go like you don't 0:06:46.480 --> 0:06:49.080 think this is something they can get better. Well, maybe 0:06:50.080 --> 0:06:52.800 they're they're trying. They're trying to keep they try to 0:06:52.920 --> 0:06:55.920 rest him in in his it's not any better. No, yeah, 0:06:56.000 --> 0:06:59.600 I don't. I think they they they they they took 0:06:59.680 --> 0:07:02.520 care of him during training camp two and he never 0:07:02.560 --> 0:07:04.960 got better. It's one of the preseason games. Yeah, never 0:07:05.040 --> 0:07:07.560 got better. This is you need now to move on. 0:07:07.680 --> 0:07:09.760 Now you got to think about Okay, Mickey got you 0:07:09.840 --> 0:07:12.080 some good intel there. Put ninety five at the one, 0:07:12.120 --> 0:07:14.960 putting ninety six. You can flip flop him. Scheme wise, 0:07:15.040 --> 0:07:18.480 you could put at the three and put ninety six 0:07:18.600 --> 0:07:20.280 to one. You can move it around. You don't have 0:07:20.320 --> 0:07:22.760 to keep it that way. And it looks Crawford inside. 0:07:22.840 --> 0:07:25.880 You put Crawford inside, it looks like Crawford's He was 0:07:25.920 --> 0:07:27.680 in the first group. He was staying. He was at 0:07:27.760 --> 0:07:30.800 right end. So they're not thinking about moving him out 0:07:30.800 --> 0:07:33.560 of that spot. I know Mickey wants to get somebody 0:07:33.600 --> 0:07:35.520 over there. They can rush the passer. I totally agree 0:07:35.560 --> 0:07:38.320 with him on that. So but you know, I saw 0:07:38.360 --> 0:07:41.760 some fan questions after we were talking about Stevenpie yesterday 0:07:41.760 --> 0:07:43.800 and a couple of people were just wanting to clear 0:07:43.920 --> 0:07:47.640 up when Steven Pie actually injured his knee. He didn't. 0:07:47.760 --> 0:07:50.880 He's always had this interdicious it's okay, So that's probably 0:07:50.880 --> 0:07:53.920 why the conclusion was there. Yeah, it's it's a degenerative. 0:07:54.640 --> 0:07:57.040 I don't know the official where I'll ask somebody, but 0:07:57.320 --> 0:08:00.000 to me, if you're not practicing and you're playing games 0:08:00.240 --> 0:08:03.280 and you're not really helping the team playing games, then 0:08:03.360 --> 0:08:05.320 they need to make a move there. And if it 0:08:05.440 --> 0:08:08.840 if it costs you, if you're keeping him around because 0:08:09.520 --> 0:08:12.000 you know you're worried about you've got enough bodies to 0:08:12.040 --> 0:08:14.600 handle the rotation. I wouldn't want to put somebody on 0:08:14.640 --> 0:08:17.960 the street that actually could help you, man. I just 0:08:18.000 --> 0:08:20.200 I just hate to hear that because of the camp 0:08:20.200 --> 0:08:23.040 he had, and you have this bye week coming up, 0:08:23.040 --> 0:08:25.720 and it's like maybe a week off, but so you 0:08:25.760 --> 0:08:27.360 can get mad. But if it's not going to be 0:08:27.400 --> 0:08:29.920 a week and then you know you need David Irving back, 0:08:30.440 --> 0:08:33.079 what do you want more David Irving back there doing 0:08:33.240 --> 0:08:34.880 the things he was able to do it one tech 0:08:35.160 --> 0:08:38.000 last year, or do you want a fifty percent Stephen Boy, 0:08:38.120 --> 0:08:39.640 I think it's gonna come down. I think it's gonna 0:08:39.640 --> 0:08:41.720 come down to him or Ben Wicker. Yeah, I really do. Yeah, 0:08:41.720 --> 0:08:43.840 I think it's gonna come down to Paya or Ben Wickery. 0:08:44.120 --> 0:08:46.480 It could come down to Carol if Mickey, like Mickey says, 0:08:46.480 --> 0:08:49.280 if Carol practices and they say, well, wow, I'm still 0:08:49.320 --> 0:08:51.719 having headaches and I'm the lights bothering me and all 0:08:51.720 --> 0:08:54.200 that stuff like that, then maybe they make that move. 0:08:54.440 --> 0:08:56.000 But I just don't know how you could sit there 0:08:56.040 --> 0:08:59.160 and you know it just you know, you're thinking, you're 0:08:59.240 --> 0:09:01.280 kind of hoping, Oh, the kneed's gonna get better, the 0:09:01.360 --> 0:09:06.280 kneed's gonna get they're resting him, he's playing games, and yeah, 0:09:06.360 --> 0:09:09.160 Jason Garrett says, hey, we want all our guys to practice. Yeah, 0:09:09.200 --> 0:09:11.800 you know. So I don't know. I don't. I don't. 0:09:11.800 --> 0:09:13.720 I don't think that that might be an option for 0:09:13.800 --> 0:09:16.120 you to look at. How did David Irving look to 0:09:16.160 --> 0:09:19.040 you yesterday? Macy looked good, he looked in shape, or 0:09:19.080 --> 0:09:22.040 what was what were your observations of him in person yesterday? Well, 0:09:22.040 --> 0:09:24.679 he had his clothes on. So hey, he looked good 0:09:24.679 --> 0:09:27.599 in his clothes. That's good. Locker room. Yeah. Yeah, he 0:09:27.679 --> 0:09:32.360 said he'd been working out, right, he's been boxing. He 0:09:32.400 --> 0:09:36.160 does looking out Michael Johnson's Performance Center or whatever they 0:09:36.200 --> 0:09:40.439 call it. Yeah, McKinney, yes, very close, yes, yes, uh. 0:09:40.679 --> 0:09:43.000 And he said that was kind of his normal day. 0:09:43.000 --> 0:09:46.520 He'd go in the morning and lift, run, do the workouts. 0:09:46.520 --> 0:09:48.600 And I said, yeah, but how about caring your pads 0:09:49.000 --> 0:09:51.160 And he showed me a picture he was working out 0:09:51.200 --> 0:09:54.360 with his shoulder pads and helmet on, right, so, you know, 0:09:54.440 --> 0:09:56.280 as much as you can do, it seemed like he 0:09:56.320 --> 0:09:58.760 was doing it. It sounds like his weight was about 0:09:58.800 --> 0:10:02.520 the same, maybe five pounds heavier than when he left, 0:10:03.400 --> 0:10:05.640 but he kind of controlled his weight and sounded like 0:10:05.679 --> 0:10:09.040 he was trying to eat better. So um, you know, 0:10:09.160 --> 0:10:12.040 we'll see after he goes out there. But usually the 0:10:12.040 --> 0:10:14.480 hard part is when you're off like that, he carrying 0:10:14.559 --> 0:10:17.599 your pads. Yeah, but he did the right thing. And 0:10:17.840 --> 0:10:20.640 the way those guys are pretty sharp at that, Michael Johnson, 0:10:20.760 --> 0:10:24.280 they are a good job. So you know, we'll see 0:10:24.320 --> 0:10:26.640 and then and the good part is now he can 0:10:26.760 --> 0:10:29.360 play because normally when you haven't played that long and 0:10:29.400 --> 0:10:33.720 had had any contact after the game. Man, you feel 0:10:33.720 --> 0:10:36.400 like you've been in a car accident, right, you're sore. Well, 0:10:36.440 --> 0:10:39.240 he's got to buy to recover from it. Right, that's 0:10:39.280 --> 0:10:41.360 pretty fortunate. So just get him out there. Right, Maybe 0:10:41.360 --> 0:10:43.320 we can get twenty five thirty plays out of him, 0:10:43.320 --> 0:10:45.440 and they need quality plays out of him. I mean, 0:10:45.480 --> 0:10:47.800 they need to find something. They need to they need 0:10:47.800 --> 0:10:50.280 to get something going inside. We thought coming out of 0:10:50.320 --> 0:10:53.840 camped at Paia and Collins would be that they've gotten 0:10:53.880 --> 0:10:56.520 They've gotten some out of Collins. I think he's helped 0:10:57.240 --> 0:11:00.600 Lawrence on that left side, but they need David Irvan, 0:11:00.640 --> 0:11:02.520 and David Irvan doesn't have It would be nice to 0:11:02.559 --> 0:11:05.240 say he would play like he did against Green Bay 0:11:05.240 --> 0:11:07.680 in that game last year. But if he could help them. 0:11:08.000 --> 0:11:10.400 You know, as you get into this, as we get 0:11:10.400 --> 0:11:13.920 into the to the Packers, to me, rushing Aaron Rodgers 0:11:14.000 --> 0:11:16.000 is not the right thing to do. That's not the 0:11:16.080 --> 0:11:18.600 right thing to do. Contain you got to con contain him. 0:11:18.640 --> 0:11:22.000 And if it means playing deacon where David Urban can 0:11:22.040 --> 0:11:25.079 help you as a nose, and maybe Malie Collins can 0:11:25.120 --> 0:11:26.960 help you as a nose, and you get a good rotation, 0:11:27.080 --> 0:11:29.960 taking advantage of the green Bay offensive line that's in 0:11:30.000 --> 0:11:31.760 a little bit of disarray. They're getting a couple of 0:11:31.800 --> 0:11:34.679 the tackles back, but they've had some issues there. You know, 0:11:34.760 --> 0:11:37.240 if you could take advantage of those things and find 0:11:37.280 --> 0:11:39.360 a way to keep Aaron Rodgers in the pockets when 0:11:39.400 --> 0:11:42.240 he gets outside, then you have to when you chase him, 0:11:42.280 --> 0:11:46.120 and then now you're chasing receivers. That's the problem. Yeah, 0:11:46.160 --> 0:11:48.520 Thurt and twenty. I know, great insight for Mickey telling 0:11:48.520 --> 0:11:51.200 you about him practicing with pads and shoulder, you know, 0:11:51.240 --> 0:11:54.040 his helmet and everything. I wonder you know, I know 0:11:54.080 --> 0:11:56.240 that these guys probably do just because they're so in 0:11:56.280 --> 0:11:58.240 tune with it. But I'd love it if he just 0:11:58.280 --> 0:12:00.760 watches like NFL game Pass and gets to watch his 0:12:01.120 --> 0:12:04.360 watch the coaches film on his own, and I see that. 0:12:04.559 --> 0:12:07.040 I asked him, like, what do you do watching these 0:12:07.080 --> 0:12:08.959 first four games? And he said, I just sit and 0:12:09.000 --> 0:12:11.960 sit at my house alone and watch it and take 0:12:12.040 --> 0:12:14.160 notes and make mental He said. He was like a loaner. 0:12:14.280 --> 0:12:16.640 You know, it's been tough being out so being away 0:12:16.640 --> 0:12:18.680 from the guys is what he said. And he's such 0:12:18.679 --> 0:12:21.319 a social guy. Yeah, hopefully a fresh body though. That's 0:12:21.320 --> 0:12:24.480 what you fresh legs, right, fresh body, fresh legs, fresh 0:12:24.520 --> 0:12:27.120 spirit too. You know, go out there and he was 0:12:27.160 --> 0:12:29.400 a difference maker at lambeau Field can really he won that. 0:12:29.400 --> 0:12:31.400 He won the award and he get three forced fumbles 0:12:31.400 --> 0:12:34.080 in nineteen snaw. Oh my god, that would be you know, 0:12:34.160 --> 0:12:36.920 that was an incredible game at night. He only had 0:12:37.040 --> 0:12:40.240 nineteen plays, righteen snaps. The Packers know who he is. 0:12:40.400 --> 0:12:42.360 I think I remember, and you guys correct me if 0:12:42.360 --> 0:12:45.119 I'm wrong, but I remember the you know, one critique 0:12:45.160 --> 0:12:47.960 of him last season was, hey, he has these flashes 0:12:48.000 --> 0:12:50.600 of brilliance and you see him be so dominant on 0:12:50.679 --> 0:12:53.880 nineteen snaps, but then he's not consistent enough. And you know, 0:12:53.920 --> 0:12:55.760 I wonder how he was able to work on that 0:12:55.840 --> 0:12:58.320 in the off season. That might be something we go 0:12:58.360 --> 0:13:00.880 and ask him later this week. Yeah. The fact that 0:13:00.880 --> 0:13:03.160 he went through all through training camp, you know, and 0:13:03.200 --> 0:13:05.160 got that work I think will help. But you're right 0:13:05.679 --> 0:13:09.320 when you talk with with coach Marinelli about him, they 0:13:09.360 --> 0:13:10.800 were they were like, yo, I need him to be 0:13:10.840 --> 0:13:12.920 that way every week. You asked him after the after 0:13:12.960 --> 0:13:16.520 the player of the week he was he was, he said, Hey, 0:13:16.520 --> 0:13:18.280 he played well, But I need him to do that 0:13:18.320 --> 0:13:21.240 every week. You don't need David or any of these 0:13:21.280 --> 0:13:24.000 defensive linemen to play well three or four games in 0:13:24.000 --> 0:13:26.920 a row and then disappear for five games. That's that's 0:13:26.920 --> 0:13:29.240 the that's a that's a big issue right there. Physically, 0:13:29.320 --> 0:13:31.600 he's got every tool you need to play at any 0:13:31.600 --> 0:13:33.559 position on the line. He's got the long arms, he's 0:13:33.559 --> 0:13:36.040 got the power, he's quick for a guy who's six seven, 0:13:36.160 --> 0:13:38.800 six eight, I mean he really you watch him and 0:13:38.800 --> 0:13:40.480 you see him in person, You're like, this guy could 0:13:40.480 --> 0:13:43.120 be a Pro Bowl caliber player. Yeah, just watching looking 0:13:43.120 --> 0:13:45.080 at him and seeing some of the flashes that he has. 0:13:45.280 --> 0:13:47.480 I never wanted him to play for the Cowboys more 0:13:47.480 --> 0:13:50.520 than last week when there were seven field goals, because 0:13:50.559 --> 0:13:53.280 he was the last Cowboys player to block a field 0:13:53.320 --> 0:13:56.800 goal against the Seahawks in twenty fifteen. Well in this 0:13:56.840 --> 0:13:58.600 game too, and you make a point not so much 0:13:58.640 --> 0:14:01.240 about the field goals, which is your absolutely right, but 0:14:01.320 --> 0:14:03.280 the way Aaron Rodgers throws the ball in the middle 0:14:03.280 --> 0:14:05.400 of the field, he'll side arm things to try and 0:14:05.480 --> 0:14:07.720 find gaps, swat it down. Yeah, if you know, if 0:14:07.760 --> 0:14:09.559 you if you can get a little bit of a push, 0:14:09.600 --> 0:14:12.360 get up in his face. That's where I think Cincinnati 0:14:12.440 --> 0:14:15.000 did some good. Tack the middle of the pocket, squeeze 0:14:15.040 --> 0:14:16.719 him and then make him have to throw out of 0:14:16.760 --> 0:14:18.719 the middle of it. But he'll throw us a ball 0:14:18.800 --> 0:14:20.520 side arm on you. And you know, you get a 0:14:20.520 --> 0:14:22.880 guy like David Irvin gets hands up, maybe you get 0:14:22.920 --> 0:14:25.440 a couple passes knocked down that might have gone to 0:14:26.080 --> 0:14:28.080 an open tight end or somebody in the middle of 0:14:28.120 --> 0:14:30.440 the field that they like to attack with. Absolutely. And 0:14:30.600 --> 0:14:34.040 Ryan Switzer also talked yesterday in the locker room. Of course, 0:14:34.200 --> 0:14:36.840 everyone wanted to ask about the muffed punt and how 0:14:36.920 --> 0:14:38.760 he was able to handle that and what he'll do 0:14:38.840 --> 0:14:41.440 moving forward. I thought it was interesting how he said, Okay, 0:14:41.440 --> 0:14:44.000 I've dealt with this before. He fumbled a punt as 0:14:44.000 --> 0:14:46.880 a freshman at North Carolina in a game against Virginia Tech. 0:14:47.160 --> 0:14:50.160 Then in the next eight games of that year, Switzer 0:14:50.200 --> 0:14:52.880 not only remained as the punt returner, but had a 0:14:53.000 --> 0:14:55.880 nation leading five punt returns for a touchdown and seven 0:14:55.920 --> 0:14:59.120 overall and his whole time at college. So you know, 0:14:59.240 --> 0:15:03.960 I think that's great. That's college football, completely different animal, right, 0:15:04.160 --> 0:15:07.720 but he at least has the mentality seen him do it. Yeah, 0:15:07.720 --> 0:15:09.800 you've seen him do it. North Carolina is on a 0:15:09.880 --> 0:15:12.440 high level. I mean you're playing acc football. He had, 0:15:12.640 --> 0:15:15.480 he had the fumble. I hope it doesn't take his 0:15:15.520 --> 0:15:18.760 aggressiveness away because one of the things I appreciated about 0:15:18.840 --> 0:15:21.480 him in the Arizona game was his willingness to take 0:15:21.520 --> 0:15:24.200 the ball and go forward and try and make something happen. 0:15:24.280 --> 0:15:27.120 Even now, you're gonna have mistakes and games you're gonna have. 0:15:27.240 --> 0:15:29.040 It was a it was a It was a terrible 0:15:29.080 --> 0:15:32.240 mistake to happen at that particular time because it gave 0:15:32.360 --> 0:15:36.760 the Rams momentum. You know, Mickey was right about that. 0:15:36.760 --> 0:15:39.480 That was really a turning point in the game. But 0:15:39.680 --> 0:15:41.200 if you if you all of a sudden, now he 0:15:41.240 --> 0:15:43.160 turns into a fair catch machine, you might as well 0:15:43.200 --> 0:15:47.800 put Cole Beasley back there. Yeah he went into that game. Yeah, 0:15:47.880 --> 0:15:50.200 everybody will see eighty eight back there. He went into 0:15:50.240 --> 0:15:52.800 that game aggressive and maybe overly aggressive. Even those two 0:15:52.800 --> 0:15:56.600 early kickoff returns. You probably could have just taken a 0:15:56.640 --> 0:15:59.120 knee there and and taken the touch back. He wants 0:15:59.160 --> 0:16:01.520 to be a difference, and so give me that guy 0:16:01.920 --> 0:16:05.000 over a guy who's hesitant and tiptoeing back there. But 0:16:05.080 --> 0:16:06.840 there's a line and you've got to make You've got 0:16:06.840 --> 0:16:08.760 to make good decisions, and he didn't. You know, that 0:16:08.800 --> 0:16:11.040 was a bad decision on the punt return. Did he 0:16:11.040 --> 0:16:14.480 have another punt return after that? No? They never punted again. No, 0:16:14.600 --> 0:16:16.880 never punted again. Or did they punt the first possession 0:16:16.880 --> 0:16:20.200 of the second half? Second half? I need to look 0:16:20.200 --> 0:16:22.200 back at that. They did They caused the phone when 0:16:22.240 --> 0:16:24.520 it was a third down? Yeah, they didn't. I left 0:16:24.560 --> 0:16:27.240 my play by play upstairs. Oh wait, maybe i'll do. 0:16:27.280 --> 0:16:28.920 You remember him being back there and it was just 0:16:28.960 --> 0:16:31.080 like I brought my play by play about that. What 0:16:31.080 --> 0:16:34.360 are you doing? Yep? But it does happen, and you know, 0:16:34.480 --> 0:16:37.360 I think he's taken full ownership of this, which is 0:16:37.680 --> 0:16:40.040 a nice thing to see, especially as a rookie who's 0:16:40.280 --> 0:16:42.080 who's going to be blamed for a lot if you're 0:16:42.080 --> 0:16:44.040 ever going to be a punt returner or doing those 0:16:44.080 --> 0:16:46.560 types of things where it could make that kind of 0:16:46.600 --> 0:16:50.200 difference in a game. Yeah, they punted sixty two yards. 0:16:50.360 --> 0:16:52.320 It was a sixth. It was the one that went 0:16:52.360 --> 0:16:54.040 over his head. He didn't have a chance to catch. 0:16:54.320 --> 0:16:56.320 You can't chance to catch you hadn't backed up. Yeah, 0:16:56.320 --> 0:16:58.880 they punted. The Rams punted from their own twenty four 0:16:58.920 --> 0:17:01.520 and it's sixty two yards. Ryan's exactly right, Like you 0:17:01.560 --> 0:17:04.120 need him to stay aggressive because we keep talking about 0:17:04.119 --> 0:17:06.600 this Cowboys offense. Okay, if they're they're stalling here, they're 0:17:06.600 --> 0:17:09.720 stalling there, they need they need some juice to get 0:17:09.720 --> 0:17:11.760 them fuel position, get them in better spots to be 0:17:11.800 --> 0:17:14.480 able to score points. Yeah. I think it's also interesting 0:17:14.480 --> 0:17:16.520 to talk to Dan Bailey this weekend and ask him, like, 0:17:16.840 --> 0:17:19.960 just kick it through all the way through on kickoff return. 0:17:20.040 --> 0:17:22.720 Don't even let him have a chance here, because that 0:17:22.840 --> 0:17:24.679 made a difference in the game too. Oh well, that 0:17:24.760 --> 0:17:27.320 was that was their guy chaking a chance to look 0:17:27.320 --> 0:17:30.720 at you know, yeah, absolutely, you know when you have Yeah, 0:17:30.800 --> 0:17:33.399 Farrell Cooper is you know, he's an aggressive player too, 0:17:33.520 --> 0:17:35.359 and he you know, he saw an opportunity. It was 0:17:35.359 --> 0:17:37.480 a well executed play it by them too. I think 0:17:37.520 --> 0:17:39.840 they were trying to get too fancy with the kickoff, 0:17:39.960 --> 0:17:43.080 like leaving it purposely short and going down and covering it, 0:17:43.280 --> 0:17:45.240 and they didn't cover it, didn't cover it very well 0:17:45.240 --> 0:17:47.840 because if you think about it, his return was sixty 0:17:47.880 --> 0:17:49.919 six yards and it was to the thirty four or 0:17:50.000 --> 0:17:52.320 thirty five. So he was sketching that ball to go 0:17:52.320 --> 0:17:54.760 ahead and put it through the uprights. Yeah yeah, yeah, 0:17:54.880 --> 0:17:57.000 especially at home, especially at home where you know you 0:17:57.080 --> 0:17:59.600 can control the environment exactly. Hey, I'm sure he'll be 0:17:59.640 --> 0:18:03.240 looking at Mason Crosby this week. I'm gonna have a 0:18:03.280 --> 0:18:06.399 good game this week. Absolutely. 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