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Speaker 1: your hosts, Mickey's Fagnola, Brian brought us Taylor Stern and
Speaker 1: Rob Phillips. Hello everyone, and welcome into Talking Cowboys of course,
Speaker 1: always joined by the great Mickey, Rob Brian, myself inside
Speaker 1: the SWBC Mortgage studio, and we've got to get into
Speaker 1: the Green Bay game. It's time to turn our attention
Speaker 1: away from the loss and to this week. As Garrett said,
Speaker 1: he's not even focused on last year's game. It's all
Speaker 1: about this week, this week, this week. But how are
Speaker 1: you guys doing. I know Mickey's watching up there to see.
Speaker 1: The NFC Offensive Player of the Week was was none
Speaker 1: other than Todd Gurley. Shocking, absolutely shocking when you get
Speaker 1: two hundred and fifteen yards from scrimmage. I think we
Speaker 1: called that at the end of the game. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: think that wasn't surprising to not at all breaking news.
Speaker 1: He was outstanding. He was outstanding. And the NFC defensive
Speaker 1: Player of the Week last year, again to the Packers,
Speaker 1: was David Irving. Of course, returning this week after his
Speaker 1: four game suspension, he does not have to be activated
Speaker 1: to the fifty three man roster until Saturday at three pm.
Speaker 1: So you know, guys, one day down, you were in
Speaker 1: the locker room yesterday you heard a little bit from Garrett.
Speaker 1: Do you think you have a better idea of what
Speaker 1: might be a change there. I know we talked maybe
Speaker 1: Nolan Carroll, but Garrett said he's practicing him today. I
Speaker 1: think they're gonna go with Ben Wickery myself. That's just
Speaker 1: that's just me as the cut irving. Yeah, as he
Speaker 1: made it easier kind of with well he just get
Speaker 1: done much, Yeah, exactly, and these other guys are getting healthy.
Speaker 1: You know, he was at it his insurance for initially
Speaker 1: for Jordan Lewis. So you know, if you had to
Speaker 1: go light at a corner, I'd say he might be
Speaker 1: the guy. I'd say Carroll's experience, I would still want
Speaker 1: him as part of this group with so many he
Speaker 1: was your starter again science, Yeah, so that's probably why
Speaker 1: they would keep him around. Yeah, you don't want to
Speaker 1: let him go now. Ben Wickery, of course wasn't active
Speaker 1: the first two games active or was he active? No,
Speaker 1: it was week three that was his first week active
Speaker 1: and didn't do a whole lot like Mickey, Special teams, yeah,
Speaker 1: special teams only, but positive news, positive news. We do
Speaker 1: know that a Woozier and Carol will be practicing today.
Speaker 1: We don't know exactly how much. I know, you know,
Speaker 1: we're kind of looking out there seeing what was going on.
Speaker 1: We can't see too much, but at least they're back
Speaker 1: out there in a Woozier. Do you guys feel like
Speaker 1: that was enough time for him to rest that hamstring
Speaker 1: the two weeks. If he gets into full practice today,
Speaker 1: I think you feel good about him going Sunday. Can
Speaker 1: you dress him? You dress him over Carol? Is that
Speaker 1: what you would do? Carroll? You still don't know about Yeah,
Speaker 1: but if they both were healthy, if both were healthy,
Speaker 1: would you dress him over Carol? In this game? I
Speaker 1: know we'll get into that. I would lean towards Woozier. Yes, yeah,
Speaker 1: make you Why do you say yes? I just think
Speaker 1: that he's pretty good and they want to get him
Speaker 1: on the field, and um, you know Carol. So Jason
Speaker 1: kind of skirted the question about if he'd been cleared
Speaker 1: from his concussion protocol, and I still think he's got
Speaker 1: to have a full practice and feel good the next day. Yeah. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I feel like on Friday he had a full practice
Speaker 1: and didn't feel good the next day. That's why he
Speaker 1: was inactive. So he's still he's still got a ways
Speaker 1: to go before he's cleared to play. So yeah, I
Speaker 1: think Woozier, you know, regardless. Yeah, I mean, it's the
Speaker 1: Packers and it's Aaron Rodgers, but it's the Packers. But
Speaker 1: these young guys, the only way they're going to get
Speaker 1: better is to play. These young guys in the secondary Lewis,
Speaker 1: Woozier Woods, all of them. They need to play. This
Speaker 1: is good experience. This is really good experience. Hey can
Speaker 1: test your metal a little bit, test you guys. And
Speaker 1: this is the last game before the Cowboys bye week,
Speaker 1: which will happen in week six. But going back to it,
Speaker 1: Shaun Lee and Hitchens will be limited in practice today.
Speaker 1: What do you guys think that that translates to? I
Speaker 1: don't think Sean Lee is gonna practice myself. Okay, I
Speaker 1: think that I think that just watching that, did you
Speaker 1: go outside, He's gonna go go out there and do
Speaker 1: the drills. Yeah, the warm up. Um. And when I
Speaker 1: talked to him yesterday, he said he was close. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm not there yet. I'm close, And he said, we'll
Speaker 1: see how the week goes. And then I mentioned, does
Speaker 1: close mean you gotta buy coming up? Because we got
Speaker 1: to consider that. Yeah, he goes. So I know I
Speaker 1: can't go out there and and reinjure this. So he goes.
Speaker 1: I've I can do a lot, but I'm not if
Speaker 1: he reinjures it. It's like seeing Thanksgiving. Yeah, you know
Speaker 1: that's the risk. Yeah, I think they'll be very careful
Speaker 1: with that one. I think Hitchens may be ready to go.
Speaker 1: Hitchens and walking out here, Hitchens and Smith, we're inside
Speaker 1: linebackers doing their blitz card stuff. Hitchens was playing it
Speaker 1: was playing inside along with along with Smith, and they
Speaker 1: had when they went and they had ninety five and
Speaker 1: they're practicing at the one with ninety six. So they
Speaker 1: were playing. They were playing Urban a defensive tackle and
Speaker 1: they were playing Uh Collins next him at the three.
Speaker 1: I didn't see Steven Paya, so I was more curious
Speaker 1: about what they were going to do. Thirty three was
Speaker 1: on the field, like you said, that's a woozier Uh.
Speaker 1: And Nolan Carroll was coming on with the second group,
Speaker 1: so they're practicing him right now. So they were in
Speaker 1: base Lee wasn't out there, no, but Hitchens was taking
Speaker 1: his play absolutely and Smith And when I talked when
Speaker 1: I walked off yesterday with David Irving and we're talking
Speaker 1: about where he's gonna play, Dotto, this and that, and
Speaker 1: finally he goes, you know one technique and I said, seriously,
Speaker 1: go Yeah, he goes. I think they're serious about it,
Speaker 1: So we'll see if they are. But why not? Yeah?
Speaker 1: I mean when he was most effective against the Packers
Speaker 1: that game, he was inside the majority of the time.
Speaker 1: He mentioned inside yesterday, Yes, but he said maybe all
Speaker 1: over too. So he's so he's an option everywhere, really
Speaker 1: having anywhere. So having said that and knowing they got
Speaker 1: to release somebody to get him on Brian Price, Brian Price,
Speaker 1: a name a guy from If they're thinking he can
Speaker 1: play inside, I would I would put this is what
Speaker 1: I would do. I'd put Stephen Pie on ir is
Speaker 1: what I would do. Wow, you think he's really that limited?
Speaker 1: Is that he's not going to practice all week, so
Speaker 1: he hadn't practiced the last two weeks. Stephen Pie is
Speaker 1: not going to help you in this. And he didn't
Speaker 1: play like he was playing in training he's not. He's
Speaker 1: not this This would be a way that you keep him,
Speaker 1: You pay him, and it's it's kind of a nice thing.
Speaker 1: You don't have to let somebody go like you don't
Speaker 1: think this is something they can get better. Well, maybe
Speaker 1: they're they're trying. They're trying to keep they try to
Speaker 1: rest him in in his it's not any better. No, yeah,
Speaker 1: I don't. I think they they they they they took
Speaker 1: care of him during training camp two and he never
Speaker 1: got better. It's one of the preseason games. Yeah, never
Speaker 1: got better. This is you need now to move on.
Speaker 1: Now you got to think about Okay, Mickey got you
Speaker 1: some good intel there. Put ninety five at the one,
Speaker 1: putting ninety six. You can flip flop him. Scheme wise,
Speaker 1: you could put at the three and put ninety six
Speaker 1: to one. You can move it around. You don't have
Speaker 1: to keep it that way. And it looks Crawford inside.
Speaker 1: You put Crawford inside, it looks like Crawford's He was
Speaker 1: in the first group. He was staying. He was at
Speaker 1: right end. So they're not thinking about moving him out
Speaker 1: of that spot. I know Mickey wants to get somebody
Speaker 1: over there. They can rush the passer. I totally agree
Speaker 1: with him on that. So but you know, I saw
Speaker 1: some fan questions after we were talking about Stevenpie yesterday
Speaker 1: and a couple of people were just wanting to clear
Speaker 1: up when Steven Pie actually injured his knee. He didn't.
Speaker 1: He's always had this interdicious it's okay, So that's probably
Speaker 1: why the conclusion was there. Yeah, it's it's a degenerative.
Speaker 1: I don't know the official where I'll ask somebody, but
Speaker 1: to me, if you're not practicing and you're playing games
Speaker 1: and you're not really helping the team playing games, then
Speaker 1: they need to make a move there. And if it
Speaker 1: if it costs you, if you're keeping him around because
Speaker 1: you know you're worried about you've got enough bodies to
Speaker 1: handle the rotation. I wouldn't want to put somebody on
Speaker 1: the street that actually could help you, man. I just
Speaker 1: I just hate to hear that because of the camp
Speaker 1: he had, and you have this bye week coming up,
Speaker 1: and it's like maybe a week off, but so you
Speaker 1: can get mad. But if it's not going to be
Speaker 1: a week and then you know you need David Irving back,
Speaker 1: what do you want more David Irving back there doing
Speaker 1: the things he was able to do it one tech
Speaker 1: last year, or do you want a fifty percent Stephen Boy,
Speaker 1: I think it's gonna come down. I think it's gonna
Speaker 1: come down to him or Ben Wicker. Yeah, I really do. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I think it's gonna come down to Paya or Ben Wickery.
Speaker 1: It could come down to Carol if Mickey, like Mickey says,
Speaker 1: if Carol practices and they say, well, wow, I'm still
Speaker 1: having headaches and I'm the lights bothering me and all
Speaker 1: that stuff like that, then maybe they make that move.
Speaker 1: But I just don't know how you could sit there
Speaker 1: and you know it just you know, you're thinking, you're
Speaker 1: kind of hoping, Oh, the kneed's gonna get better, the
Speaker 1: kneed's gonna get they're resting him, he's playing games, and yeah,
Speaker 1: Jason Garrett says, hey, we want all our guys to practice. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you know. So I don't know. I don't. I don't.
Speaker 1: I don't think that that might be an option for
Speaker 1: you to look at. How did David Irving look to
Speaker 1: you yesterday? Macy looked good, he looked in shape, or
Speaker 1: what was what were your observations of him in person yesterday? Well,
Speaker 1: he had his clothes on. So hey, he looked good
Speaker 1: in his clothes. That's good. Locker room. Yeah. Yeah, he
Speaker 1: said he'd been working out, right, he's been boxing. He
Speaker 1: does looking out Michael Johnson's Performance Center or whatever they
Speaker 1: call it. Yeah, McKinney, yes, very close, yes, yes, uh.
Speaker 1: And he said that was kind of his normal day.
Speaker 1: He'd go in the morning and lift, run, do the workouts.
Speaker 1: And I said, yeah, but how about caring your pads
Speaker 1: And he showed me a picture he was working out
Speaker 1: with his shoulder pads and helmet on, right, so, you know,
Speaker 1: as much as you can do, it seemed like he
Speaker 1: was doing it. It sounds like his weight was about
Speaker 1: the same, maybe five pounds heavier than when he left,
Speaker 1: but he kind of controlled his weight and sounded like
Speaker 1: he was trying to eat better. So um, you know,
Speaker 1: we'll see after he goes out there. But usually the
Speaker 1: hard part is when you're off like that, he carrying
Speaker 1: your pads. Yeah, but he did the right thing. And
Speaker 1: the way those guys are pretty sharp at that, Michael Johnson,
Speaker 1: they are a good job. So you know, we'll see
Speaker 1: and then and the good part is now he can
Speaker 1: play because normally when you haven't played that long and
Speaker 1: had had any contact after the game. Man, you feel
Speaker 1: like you've been in a car accident, right, you're sore. Well,
Speaker 1: he's got to buy to recover from it. Right, that's
Speaker 1: pretty fortunate. So just get him out there. Right, Maybe
Speaker 1: we can get twenty five thirty plays out of him,
Speaker 1: and they need quality plays out of him. I mean,
Speaker 1: they need to find something. They need to they need
Speaker 1: to get something going inside. We thought coming out of
Speaker 1: camped at Paia and Collins would be that they've gotten
Speaker 1: They've gotten some out of Collins. I think he's helped
Speaker 1: Lawrence on that left side, but they need David Irvan,
Speaker 1: and David Irvan doesn't have It would be nice to
Speaker 1: say he would play like he did against Green Bay
Speaker 1: in that game last year. But if he could help them.
Speaker 1: You know, as you get into this, as we get
Speaker 1: into the to the Packers, to me, rushing Aaron Rodgers
Speaker 1: is not the right thing to do. That's not the
Speaker 1: right thing to do. Contain you got to con contain him.
Speaker 1: And if it means playing deacon where David Urban can
Speaker 1: help you as a nose, and maybe Malie Collins can
Speaker 1: help you as a nose, and you get a good rotation,
Speaker 1: taking advantage of the green Bay offensive line that's in
Speaker 1: a little bit of disarray. They're getting a couple of
Speaker 1: the tackles back, but they've had some issues there. You know,
Speaker 1: if you could take advantage of those things and find
Speaker 1: a way to keep Aaron Rodgers in the pockets when
Speaker 1: he gets outside, then you have to when you chase him,
Speaker 1: and then now you're chasing receivers. That's the problem. Yeah,
Speaker 1: Thurt and twenty. I know, great insight for Mickey telling
Speaker 1: you about him practicing with pads and shoulder, you know,
Speaker 1: his helmet and everything. I wonder you know, I know
Speaker 1: that these guys probably do just because they're so in
Speaker 1: tune with it. But I'd love it if he just
Speaker 1: watches like NFL game Pass and gets to watch his
Speaker 1: watch the coaches film on his own, and I see that.
Speaker 1: I asked him, like, what do you do watching these
Speaker 1: first four games? And he said, I just sit and
Speaker 1: sit at my house alone and watch it and take
Speaker 1: notes and make mental He said. He was like a loaner.
Speaker 1: You know, it's been tough being out so being away
Speaker 1: from the guys is what he said. And he's such
Speaker 1: a social guy. Yeah, hopefully a fresh body though. That's
Speaker 1: what you fresh legs, right, fresh body, fresh legs, fresh
Speaker 1: spirit too. You know, go out there and he was
Speaker 1: a difference maker at lambeau Field can really he won that.
Speaker 1: He won the award and he get three forced fumbles
Speaker 1: in nineteen snaw. Oh my god, that would be you know,
Speaker 1: that was an incredible game at night. He only had
Speaker 1: nineteen plays, righteen snaps. The Packers know who he is.
Speaker 1: I think I remember, and you guys correct me if
Speaker 1: I'm wrong, but I remember the you know, one critique
Speaker 1: of him last season was, hey, he has these flashes
Speaker 1: of brilliance and you see him be so dominant on
Speaker 1: nineteen snaps, but then he's not consistent enough. And you know,
Speaker 1: I wonder how he was able to work on that
Speaker 1: in the off season. That might be something we go
Speaker 1: and ask him later this week. Yeah. The fact that
Speaker 1: he went through all through training camp, you know, and
Speaker 1: got that work I think will help. But you're right
Speaker 1: when you talk with with coach Marinelli about him, they
Speaker 1: were they were like, yo, I need him to be
Speaker 1: that way every week. You asked him after the after
Speaker 1: the player of the week he was he was, he said, Hey,
Speaker 1: he played well, But I need him to do that
Speaker 1: every week. You don't need David or any of these
Speaker 1: defensive linemen to play well three or four games in
Speaker 1: a row and then disappear for five games. That's that's
Speaker 1: the that's a that's a big issue right there. Physically,
Speaker 1: he's got every tool you need to play at any
Speaker 1: position on the line. He's got the long arms, he's
Speaker 1: got the power, he's quick for a guy who's six seven,
Speaker 1: six eight, I mean he really you watch him and
Speaker 1: you see him in person, You're like, this guy could
Speaker 1: be a Pro Bowl caliber player. Yeah, just watching looking
Speaker 1: at him and seeing some of the flashes that he has.
Speaker 1: I never wanted him to play for the Cowboys more
Speaker 1: than last week when there were seven field goals, because
Speaker 1: he was the last Cowboys player to block a field
Speaker 1: goal against the Seahawks in twenty fifteen. Well in this
Speaker 1: game too, and you make a point not so much
Speaker 1: about the field goals, which is your absolutely right, but
Speaker 1: the way Aaron Rodgers throws the ball in the middle
Speaker 1: of the field, he'll side arm things to try and
Speaker 1: find gaps, swat it down. Yeah, if you know, if
Speaker 1: you if you can get a little bit of a push,
Speaker 1: get up in his face. That's where I think Cincinnati
Speaker 1: did some good. Tack the middle of the pocket, squeeze
Speaker 1: him and then make him have to throw out of
Speaker 1: the middle of it. But he'll throw us a ball
Speaker 1: side arm on you. And you know, you get a
Speaker 1: guy like David Irvin gets hands up, maybe you get
Speaker 1: a couple passes knocked down that might have gone to
Speaker 1: an open tight end or somebody in the middle of
Speaker 1: the field that they like to attack with. Absolutely. And
Speaker 1: Ryan Switzer also talked yesterday in the locker room. Of course,
Speaker 1: everyone wanted to ask about the muffed punt and how
Speaker 1: he was able to handle that and what he'll do
Speaker 1: moving forward. I thought it was interesting how he said, Okay,
Speaker 1: I've dealt with this before. He fumbled a punt as
Speaker 1: a freshman at North Carolina in a game against Virginia Tech.
Speaker 1: Then in the next eight games of that year, Switzer
Speaker 1: not only remained as the punt returner, but had a
Speaker 1: nation leading five punt returns for a touchdown and seven
Speaker 1: overall and his whole time at college. So you know,
Speaker 1: I think that's great. That's college football, completely different animal, right,
Speaker 1: but he at least has the mentality seen him do it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you've seen him do it. North Carolina is on a
Speaker 1: high level. I mean you're playing acc football. He had,
Speaker 1: he had the fumble. I hope it doesn't take his
Speaker 1: aggressiveness away because one of the things I appreciated about
Speaker 1: him in the Arizona game was his willingness to take
Speaker 1: the ball and go forward and try and make something happen.
Speaker 1: Even now, you're gonna have mistakes and games you're gonna have.
Speaker 1: It was a it was a It was a terrible
Speaker 1: mistake to happen at that particular time because it gave
Speaker 1: the Rams momentum. You know, Mickey was right about that.
Speaker 1: That was really a turning point in the game. But
Speaker 1: if you if you all of a sudden, now he
Speaker 1: turns into a fair catch machine, you might as well
Speaker 1: put Cole Beasley back there. Yeah he went into that game. Yeah,
Speaker 1: everybody will see eighty eight back there. He went into
Speaker 1: that game aggressive and maybe overly aggressive. Even those two
Speaker 1: early kickoff returns. You probably could have just taken a
Speaker 1: knee there and and taken the touch back. He wants
Speaker 1: to be a difference, and so give me that guy
Speaker 1: over a guy who's hesitant and tiptoeing back there. But
Speaker 1: there's a line and you've got to make You've got
Speaker 1: to make good decisions, and he didn't. You know, that
Speaker 1: was a bad decision on the punt return. Did he
Speaker 1: have another punt return after that? No? They never punted again. No,
Speaker 1: never punted again. Or did they punt the first possession
Speaker 1: of the second half? Second half? I need to look
Speaker 1: back at that. They did They caused the phone when
Speaker 1: it was a third down? Yeah, they didn't. I left
Speaker 1: my play by play upstairs. Oh wait, maybe i'll do.
Speaker 1: You remember him being back there and it was just
Speaker 1: like I brought my play by play about that. What
Speaker 1: are you doing? Yep? But it does happen, and you know,
Speaker 1: I think he's taken full ownership of this, which is
Speaker 1: a nice thing to see, especially as a rookie who's
Speaker 1: who's going to be blamed for a lot if you're
Speaker 1: ever going to be a punt returner or doing those
Speaker 1: types of things where it could make that kind of
Speaker 1: difference in a game. Yeah, they punted sixty two yards.
Speaker 1: It was a sixth. It was the one that went
Speaker 1: over his head. He didn't have a chance to catch.
Speaker 1: You can't chance to catch you hadn't backed up. Yeah,
Speaker 1: they punted. The Rams punted from their own twenty four
Speaker 1: and it's sixty two yards. Ryan's exactly right, Like you
Speaker 1: need him to stay aggressive because we keep talking about
Speaker 1: this Cowboys offense. Okay, if they're they're stalling here, they're
Speaker 1: stalling there, they need they need some juice to get
Speaker 1: them fuel position, get them in better spots to be
Speaker 1: able to score points. Yeah. I think it's also interesting
Speaker 1: to talk to Dan Bailey this weekend and ask him, like,
Speaker 1: just kick it through all the way through on kickoff return.
Speaker 1: Don't even let him have a chance here, because that
Speaker 1: made a difference in the game too. Oh well, that
Speaker 1: was that was their guy chaking a chance to look
Speaker 1: at you know, yeah, absolutely, you know when you have Yeah,
Speaker 1: Farrell Cooper is you know, he's an aggressive player too,
Speaker 1: and he you know, he saw an opportunity. It was
Speaker 1: a well executed play it by them too. I think
Speaker 1: they were trying to get too fancy with the kickoff,
Speaker 1: like leaving it purposely short and going down and covering it,
Speaker 1: and they didn't cover it, didn't cover it very well
Speaker 1: because if you think about it, his return was sixty
Speaker 1: six yards and it was to the thirty four or
Speaker 1: thirty five. So he was sketching that ball to go
Speaker 1: ahead and put it through the uprights. Yeah yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: especially at home, especially at home where you know you
Speaker 1: can control the environment exactly. Hey, I'm sure he'll be
Speaker 1: looking at Mason Crosby this week. I'm gonna have a
Speaker 1: good game this week. Absolutely. Hey, we'll get more into
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Speaker 1: at one point. I don't know that. I don't think
Speaker 1: I did. We were just about the first half. It
Speaker 1: was like, how about the fifty three yard run? What
Speaker 1: did you do when you saw the fifty three yard run?
Speaker 1: I just shook my head. I know, when we saw
Speaker 1: the seventy yard ride by Alfred Morris, we're like, see,
Speaker 1: oh Morris, who is that Morris? Who's coming at you? Whney? Yeah,
Speaker 1: we were like that slow running back yeah, and we're
Speaker 1: like nope, that's Alfred what oh forty six? Couldn't White
Speaker 1: make it? And then you know, I think maybe we
Speaker 1: looked at each other or not. But Todd Gurley trying
Speaker 1: to do the hurdle in at and T Stadium, Jeff
Speaker 1: Heath's not about to have that right. Jeff Heath was
Speaker 1: standing up completely. I mean, but that's all you want
Speaker 1: to do it because if he put his head down,
Speaker 1: he would have hurtled right over. I'll tell you who
Speaker 1: needed some Tommy John's last night, that Yankee catcher. See
Speaker 1: that he had a contour pouch. He needed something in
Speaker 1: the control. Oh foul tips idea what this is about?
Speaker 1: But it's scary. It was a foul tip and it
Speaker 1: caught him right where you don't want. I mean, they
Speaker 1: had it on TV about that. As a matter of fact,
Speaker 1: when they showed the replay of the picture, the picture
Speaker 1: saw it and he put his glove over his face
Speaker 1: because he was going, oh oh boy. Hey. You know
Speaker 1: who won't need any adjustments this week is Chaz Green.
Speaker 1: He's back out there at practice. It's good he say
Speaker 1: what he does. Yeah some hip sword ups, Yeah, flare
Speaker 1: up since no one can tell we're waving at the
Speaker 1: people coming through here. If you take a tour here
Speaker 1: between eleven thirty and twelve thirty, you can wave at us.
Speaker 1: Yeah you're gonna give a tour. Yeah, I could give
Speaker 1: a tour. Tell me about Chas Brian Rodis No, you
Speaker 1: should be excited that Chaz Green's back. I think that
Speaker 1: clearly the weak link of the line last week watching
Speaker 1: the tape was was Jonathan Cooper. They had some issues
Speaker 1: there at that left guard spot. Chaz Green has not,
Speaker 1: in my opinion, been a problem there. Yeah, so it
Speaker 1: would be nice to have him back in there. I
Speaker 1: think though, you know, the Packers have got a couple
Speaker 1: of different things. Kenny Clark's a really good player for
Speaker 1: them who plays nose tackle, but they play a little
Speaker 1: bit like what the Rams did where they don't really
Speaker 1: play a true three four defense. So you're gonna see Clark,
Speaker 1: and if Mike Daniels plays as another one you need
Speaker 1: to kind of take care of Mike Daniels. I think
Speaker 1: Mike Daniels in and actually Zach Martin is going to
Speaker 1: be a really good matchup. Again, Mike Daniels is dealing
Speaker 1: with a little bit of an in tree himself, So
Speaker 1: we'll see if he plays this week. But yeah, it
Speaker 1: Chaz Green, you know, the hip and all that. It's
Speaker 1: something you just kind of with him. I never feel
Speaker 1: like we're out of the woods with him, but but
Speaker 1: he is. He is the best option you have playing
Speaker 1: that left guard spot right now. And so, you know,
Speaker 1: I think that that having him back will will surely
Speaker 1: help this line in that in that regard, you know,
Speaker 1: I think they got with Cooper. It looked like diminishing returns.
Speaker 1: They like the more he played, the worst he got. Yeah,
Speaker 1: or they figured something out after watching. Well you know this, Mickey,
Speaker 1: I mean, you're you're dealing with Aaron Donald. I know,
Speaker 1: and I know, and and and I'm not saying I'm
Speaker 1: not making any lie of that. You know, you're gonna
Speaker 1: have plays. You just you're gonna have plays where Aaron
Speaker 1: Donald's gonna beat you once or twice. But don't let
Speaker 1: Aaron Donald beat you five times. Don't don't don't you
Speaker 1: make don't become a handicap for the center. Don't become
Speaker 1: a handicap for the left tackle. Don't become a handicap
Speaker 1: for the the for the offensive line. And I felt
Speaker 1: like that he was And that's that's what you're a
Speaker 1: that's what you're up against. You're thinking a veteran guy,
Speaker 1: and he can handle the job. And you know, if
Speaker 1: you look at the first three games, Chaz Green was
Speaker 1: a better player. I mean just and again it's Aaron Donald,
Speaker 1: I get it. But you know, he didn't handle them
Speaker 1: consistently enough. And and they've got a tough matchup again
Speaker 1: this weekend. Yeah. Now this is the second straight week
Speaker 1: for the Cowboys that they will be playing a team
Speaker 1: that played on Thursday night. A little bit different this
Speaker 1: week because the Cowboys will have a full week of practice,
Speaker 1: not playing the Monday night game like they did last week.
Speaker 1: But I mean, guys, that helps these teams more than
Speaker 1: people really imagine, because now the Packers have a few
Speaker 1: extra days to get both of their starting offensive tackles back.
Speaker 1: Maybe Bacatari I never know how to pronounced. And Balaga
Speaker 1: have missed three of their four games this season, but
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, they were they were close, just
Speaker 1: like a Sean Lee type situation. And if you would
Speaker 1: have had ten days of rest, it's it helps, you know.
Speaker 1: And I hate to say that and blame the schedule here,
Speaker 1: but you know, you're talking about Chad's Green. You just
Speaker 1: hope he's had enough time to rest. Yeah, I think
Speaker 1: he has. I think being active for the game is
Speaker 1: a good sign that if he had to go play,
Speaker 1: they could have put him in. UM. But I think
Speaker 1: you said it yesterday, I didn't help Jonathan Cooper that
Speaker 1: he didn't get any reps that we know of, and
Speaker 1: then Friday, all of a sudden, now he's the starting
Speaker 1: left guard, veteran guy at the worst possible matchup. I
Speaker 1: think that's the rams you could have asked for. See.
Speaker 1: I think the good thing with Chads Green it wasn't
Speaker 1: an injury they Jason called it. He had a little
Speaker 1: bit of brass so they had soreness in that hip, right,
Speaker 1: So it wasn't like he had to overcome anything. And
Speaker 1: you can do stuff for versitis. UM. So you know,
Speaker 1: we'll see where it goes. But at least it's encouraging.
Speaker 1: It sounds like he's maybe good to go, and I
Speaker 1: think it from a trust factor, it eliminates somewhat the
Speaker 1: guessing that Frederick's got to do and my past, this
Speaker 1: guy off, there's no question and then all of a sudden,
Speaker 1: Oh no, I go yeah, yeah, there was. There was
Speaker 1: clearly there was clearly times when he felt like that
Speaker 1: he was in the right and when you watch him play,
Speaker 1: if there's just a clear bust and it's Travis Frederick,
Speaker 1: you're thinking, now, something else happened here, because Travis Frederick
Speaker 1: is one of the smartest players on this football team.
Speaker 1: He doesn't make mental mistakes. We make physical mistakes, yeah,
Speaker 1: he'll make physical mistakes, but mental mistakes, no, he won't.
Speaker 1: So you could tell that there was there were in
Speaker 1: a little bit, there was some problematic uh snaps there
Speaker 1: where he was thinking, Okay, this is taking care of. Well,
Speaker 1: now it's not taken care of. And then now he's thinking,
Speaker 1: now he's scramped, not over tore. He trusted, He trusted
Speaker 1: that Jonathan Cooper could handle what was being done and
Speaker 1: trust his offensive line play. Those five guys trust each other,
Speaker 1: and you could you could get coaches to talk about that.
Speaker 1: They do it sometimes not even saying it to each other.
Speaker 1: They just know by look, okay, this is what this
Speaker 1: guy is going to do. And even though they worked
Speaker 1: with Jonathan Cooper a lot during the training camp and
Speaker 1: OTAs and stuff, though there were still those snaps. Yeah.
Speaker 1: See the thing that you guys are saying you know,
Speaker 1: I guess makes people feel a little bit better. But
Speaker 1: unfortunately we won't get our official injury report for the
Speaker 1: Packers until later today. Obviously they're having to practice today,
Speaker 1: but a lot of their injured defensive tackles have kind
Speaker 1: of circled this game as a return date. Yeah, you know,
Speaker 1: you're talking about Mike Adams, a defensive tackle for them
Speaker 1: who was kind of beat up and now he's thinking
Speaker 1: this might be the game I'm ready for. Yeah, well,
Speaker 1: he's their best. He's our best defensive lineman, am I
Speaker 1: doubt and Kenny Clark would be the second best. So
Speaker 1: now once again you're talking about what controlled you know,
Speaker 1: your strength of your team is. You know, you talk
Speaker 1: about Frederick and you talk about Martin. You know, the
Speaker 1: week link was clearly Jonathan Cooper last week. The strength
Speaker 1: of the Packers, in my opinion, is what they have
Speaker 1: inside with Daniels and Clark. So who fully you match
Speaker 1: strength for strength right there? You know Tyrn Smith has
Speaker 1: had good success, you know working against Matthews. You know
Speaker 1: he has had success against him. You don't you don't
Speaker 1: worry about that, I mean last week, you really don't.
Speaker 1: Last week in the game you know, you think about
Speaker 1: two with Robert Quinn. You know he Robert Quinn is
Speaker 1: a quality rusher and you know, and Tyrone was able
Speaker 1: to eliminate him for the most part. So yeah, you
Speaker 1: need you need that that a sureness inside with those
Speaker 1: three guys. It was an interesting week one, of course,
Speaker 1: when the Cowboys were taking on the Giants, the Packers
Speaker 1: were taking on the Falcons and they lost to the
Speaker 1: Falcons and everyone or was that week two that was
Speaker 1: took too, That's right, because it was after the Hes
Speaker 1: got beat by the Broncos and everyone's like, the Packers
Speaker 1: are getting beat by the the Falcons right now, and
Speaker 1: what's going on land there? Yeah, it was still going
Speaker 1: yeah when we landed, and so how war you know,
Speaker 1: Matt Ryan and those guys able to just kind of
Speaker 1: stall that defense. Yeah, I think that to me when
Speaker 1: you watched they've got so many playmakers in Atlanta and
Speaker 1: that with the Packers that they've had, they've had issues
Speaker 1: in their secondary. Matter of fact, their secondary, they're they're
Speaker 1: really not sure. I know Rob and I were talking
Speaker 1: about it today. They're really not sure of who they're
Speaker 1: gonna start. They they've had guys in the game They've
Speaker 1: had guys get benched. They've got guys have an injury problem.
Speaker 1: Devin House has a hamstring problem. Uh. They benched. Uh,
Speaker 1: they've benched Randall. Uh. You know, Quinton Rollins at times
Speaker 1: has looked really bad at the nickel. Uh. Kevin King
Speaker 1: has been the starter. He carried If you watched the
Speaker 1: Cincinnati game, you know he was the guy that carried Green.
Speaker 1: So they've they've got issues there. You know, with their
Speaker 1: safeties too, they haven't they haven't really tackled well, Clinton Dix,
Speaker 1: Morgan Burnett. They like to play them in the slots.
Speaker 1: There was certain kinds of packages that they run. So
Speaker 1: if when we went back and watched and I know
Speaker 1: I'm getting away from the Atlanta game, but if you
Speaker 1: go back and watch the playoff game last year, especially
Speaker 1: the championship game, or not the champion but the game
Speaker 1: it was played here, they really struggle a lot with
Speaker 1: the crossing stuff. The Cowboys were able to make some
Speaker 1: plays with movement crossing routes. They lost some guys one
Speaker 1: on one. They lost Dez Bryant, they lost Terrence Williams,
Speaker 1: they lost Jason Witten in some coverage. So the issues
Speaker 1: that the Packers have is their secondary now. The secondary though,
Speaker 1: when you play the Falcons, you need to have that
Speaker 1: is one of your strengths to match up with what
Speaker 1: the Falcons have. And they just did a really poor
Speaker 1: job of that. And so that's where you got to
Speaker 1: look at right now. The last two times the Cowboys
Speaker 1: played the Packers, the offense wasn't the problem. No, if
Speaker 1: I remember correctly with my notes here, they've scored thirty
Speaker 1: one and thirty points against them the last two games.
Speaker 1: Problem is they gave up thirty four points in the
Speaker 1: playoff game. So you got to do a better job
Speaker 1: of playing defense. They moved the ball they've scored so yeah,
Speaker 1: and if I mean even if you look back to
Speaker 1: you know, they had twenty one points in the playoff
Speaker 1: game in twenty fourteen with the ball looking like it
Speaker 1: was going to be at the three yard line, right,
Speaker 1: and then the time before that with Romo playing, they
Speaker 1: put up thirty six points, right. Problem was Matt Flynn
Speaker 1: put up thirty seven. Yeah, second half was the second
Speaker 1: half is like the Ram game. It was very much
Speaker 1: like the Ram game. It was an avalanche game. And yeah,
Speaker 1: I think that with the Packers, it's like Mickey said,
Speaker 1: it's it's the offense that you have to deal with
Speaker 1: with them. Yeah, and you find a way to slow
Speaker 1: down their offense, which will be very difficult to do.
Speaker 1: But their defense is can give up plays. I know
Speaker 1: we talked about the Rams ability. You know, the Rams
Speaker 1: started that game really poorly on defense, and all of
Speaker 1: a sudden, Cowboys couldn't you get any traction in the
Speaker 1: second half, run or pass. And now in a situation
Speaker 1: you start to not get ahead of these guys in
Speaker 1: Green Bay. You know they're not going to run the ball.
Speaker 1: That's their thing. I mean with Montgomery the way he is,
Speaker 1: and then their backups going out. Yeah, exactly, So there William,
Speaker 1: remember what happened, Remember what happened in the game at
Speaker 1: lambeau Field. They had running back questions there. Yeah, this team,
Speaker 1: this team, this team sixty percent of the time is
Speaker 1: going to throw the football. Montgomery's getting three point three
Speaker 1: yards of karage. They're leading rusher and after that is Rogers.
Speaker 1: So yeah, they've struggled running the football, so they may
Speaker 1: have to Is it it's a rookie, right, Adam Jones?
Speaker 1: Adam Jones, somebody tell me utep is that the guy
Speaker 1: from UTEP. That was tweet. I was trying to remember
Speaker 1: I did a show yesterday and somebody brought his name
Speaker 1: up as he could be there. It's Aaron Jones. Aaron Jones. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so do you think this will be a game? And
Speaker 1: speaking of uh Adams Adams right, they sounded like he
Speaker 1: may get out of the concussion protocol in time to
Speaker 1: play in this game. You're right, Mickey, he did come
Speaker 1: out the other day and say, hey, I might be
Speaker 1: able to play for this game. And now Danny Trevathian
Speaker 1: obviously got suspended at first for two games that's been
Speaker 1: reduced to just one game for that extremely hard hit
Speaker 1: he had all should have been four games. Yeah, it
Speaker 1: was absolutely aggressive. So to see him say that he
Speaker 1: might be able to play this week is you know,
Speaker 1: obviously we're looking out for the Cowboys, but looking out
Speaker 1: for his health. To see him back out there is
Speaker 1: always a positive. So getting into the Cowboys offense and
Speaker 1: talking about how they can take advantage of this Green
Speaker 1: Bay defense and you know, I know, Mickey just told
Speaker 1: you they've put up and a lot of points against
Speaker 1: these guys, but how can they continue to do so
Speaker 1: getting the ball to guys like Beasley and Witten. Is
Speaker 1: that a possibility more so in this game? Well, it
Speaker 1: depends on what they how they cover those guys. Beasley
Speaker 1: and Brian spoken to it, and go back and watch.
Speaker 1: He's been doubled a lot, He's been bracketed. So the
Speaker 1: ball's gotta go somewhere else. It's gotta go to Terence Williams,
Speaker 1: gotta go to Bryce Butler. Bryce Butler did a nice
Speaker 1: job on that touchdown and taking advantage of doubling both
Speaker 1: Beasley and Witton in that game. So to me, I'm
Speaker 1: interested to see a couple of different things. Is Kevin
Speaker 1: King the rookie gonna cover Dez? Yeah, because he shadowed,
Speaker 1: He didn't. He didn't carry him across the field, but
Speaker 1: they put him in slot. They didn't plead aj Green. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he was on Hulo Jones a little bit too. They
Speaker 1: have some confidence in this young guy six three long
Speaker 1: arms can cover. I want the Cowboys. We're gonna draft him,
Speaker 1: I really did. He ended up going early second round
Speaker 1: round early second round, Green Bay. Green Bay traded out
Speaker 1: of the round. They traded out of the round to
Speaker 1: get the opportunity to get another pick and then to
Speaker 1: take him. So I clearly thought this guy was on
Speaker 1: their radar because of the length and his ability at
Speaker 1: the University of Washington. Really good player. I'm interested in that,
Speaker 1: and I'm also interested in to see how the Packers
Speaker 1: run defense stacks up against the Cowboys, because they do
Speaker 1: a little it's not smoking mirrors, but it's some exotic
Speaker 1: type packages they do, and the Brams kind of had
Speaker 1: a similar type thing where you've got safeties acting as linebackers,
Speaker 1: this nitro package that the package. Yeah, it's interesting. I
Speaker 1: mean they've got basically four three safeties on the field,
Speaker 1: three corners, three linebackers, only two down linemen and so
Speaker 1: like on paper, you're thinking that sounds like a dream
Speaker 1: for Zeke, But they've done a decent job stop in
Speaker 1: the run at times this year with that, and the
Speaker 1: goal is to get fast, athletic guys on the field
Speaker 1: who can cover and play the run. Morgan Burnett's the
Speaker 1: guy that really stands out. He's their safety who can
Speaker 1: also play in the box and try to stop the run.
Speaker 1: So how does that stack up against Zeke? That's an
Speaker 1: interesting chess. Well, they don't have Micah Hide anymore, and
Speaker 1: Micah Hyde, if I talked about yesterday had the interception
Speaker 1: in the playoff game. That was a great read on
Speaker 1: his part. But Micah Hyde is one of those guys
Speaker 1: that traditionally has played Cole Beasley in the slot and
Speaker 1: the game that went back in in Lambeau for the playoffs,
Speaker 1: you know, he was a guy that was involved in
Speaker 1: a lot of coverage, little different packages. No longer part
Speaker 1: of the Green Bay you know, their secondary. So yeah,
Speaker 1: they've struggled a little bit to replace him and his versatility.
Speaker 1: I think that's why there's so many questions. But the
Speaker 1: in the Bears game, we were talking about the nitro
Speaker 1: package and stuff. They felt like the fact that the
Speaker 1: Bears could run the football. Yeah, they said, we'll play
Speaker 1: more bass. That was their deal, to play more base defense,
Speaker 1: you know, more bass looks. And then and then because
Speaker 1: they felt like that they were going to run the football,
Speaker 1: and then Mike Glennon wasn't going to beat them now
Speaker 1: with Zeke, So you scrapped the nitro package against Zeke? Yeah,
Speaker 1: you think you probably might with scrapped the nitro package
Speaker 1: against him, just because you don't want to get into
Speaker 1: a situation where all of a sudden they're gashing you
Speaker 1: on the run, and then now you're having to try
Speaker 1: and scramble back to play run defense, and then that
Speaker 1: opens you up in the secondary. I don't I think they.
Speaker 1: I think they go into this thing trying to stop
Speaker 1: the run first and then saying, Okay, let's see if
Speaker 1: Prescott can beat me, uh throwing the football. He's had
Speaker 1: success against him last year in the playoffs and then
Speaker 1: at lambeau Field. So it's a dangerous a slope that
Speaker 1: the that the Packers are on right now if they
Speaker 1: don't match up in which direct that they go. See
Speaker 1: what the Cowboys have to do. Go back to your
Speaker 1: question about Beasley is quittin being in so many third
Speaker 1: and longs, because now if they leave a linebacker in
Speaker 1: the middle of the field, they're going they an't gotta
Speaker 1: hand it to Zeke on third and seven, it's a
Speaker 1: pass play. So now there's more congestion in the in
Speaker 1: the backfield there defensive backfield there for Beasley to run
Speaker 1: his little in and out. He can't go in if
Speaker 1: the linebacker standing there or whoever they are acting like
Speaker 1: playing linebacker. You know they've they've Would you like to
Speaker 1: see them though, run the ball more on second down?
Speaker 1: I don't have a problem with that. They got to
Speaker 1: get out of third and long. I looked it up again.
Speaker 1: They had they had thirty two attempts at third and
Speaker 1: six or more. They've only converted eight. Yeah, that's twenty
Speaker 1: five percent. Yeah. Well, last game, third and long is
Speaker 1: technically third and seven, third and six, Okay, nine of
Speaker 1: fourteen the other day was third and seven or worse. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and so we had seven fourteen overall. Yeah, we talked
Speaker 1: about him being more efficient, but they still Dak was
Speaker 1: still in positions where it's like, m this is not
Speaker 1: a true, oh, manageable situation necessarily. I was watching Tom
Speaker 1: Brady throw the ball the other night the other day
Speaker 1: against Carolina. He got in some situations and he was
Speaker 1: missing plays. I mean, we talk about the accuracy problems,
Speaker 1: and hey, one of the greatest in the league. You know,
Speaker 1: there's if you get guys in third and long situations,
Speaker 1: they're gonna miss throws. I mean, defenses, that's what they
Speaker 1: want you to do, because you know, we talk about it.
Speaker 1: I think that's why Jason Garrett when they asked about
Speaker 1: the third and nineteen, you know that in the playoff
Speaker 1: game that he kind of to himself like, my gosh,
Speaker 1: you had it right where you wanted. But you know,
Speaker 1: because quarterbacks. I think there. I think the Cowboys had
Speaker 1: two third and twenty situations last year and neither neither won.
Speaker 1: The offense converted a lot of times when you're get
Speaker 1: in that situation, if it's third and twenty, you're handing
Speaker 1: off in saying will yeah fight another day. I made
Speaker 1: a Hall of Fame play, But they gotta get out
Speaker 1: of those. So many third and long. That's too many,
Speaker 1: too many, too many problems there. But we can talk
Speaker 1: about it more. We can get over this in the
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Speaker 1: that the truth? Well, before we get to the phone,
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Speaker 1: to your poll and then we'll get to the phone line.
Speaker 1: So hit us with what the fans were saying. I got.
Speaker 1: We got a lot of votes on this one. And
Speaker 1: this is not a happy poll, guys. This is some
Speaker 1: of the toughest memories in this rivalry with the packers.
Speaker 1: And there's four of them, Okay, third and twenty last
Speaker 1: year Jared Cook, the Dez catched, it wasn't. And then
Speaker 1: we go all the way back to all the folks
Speaker 1: from nineteen sixty six who were on Twitter. I'm sure
Speaker 1: that Micky's won. Mickey, you were there nineteen sixty six
Speaker 1: NFL Championship game, Don Meredith the interception at the very end,
Speaker 1: or Bart Star in the Ice Bowl with the touchdown
Speaker 1: late to beat the Cowboys. Those were two painful losses
Speaker 1: in a row. Form anybody got it? As I was
Speaker 1: sitting on my couch churn for the Packers. I never
Speaker 1: I was three years old, but greater fifty years ago,
Speaker 1: right only. I never go down to the sidelines during
Speaker 1: the game. I usually stay sitting next to Mickey during
Speaker 1: the games. But of course playoffs you're a little bit different,
Speaker 1: and we thought we were going to do some Oh
Speaker 1: we'll get some videos of the players excited after the game.
Speaker 1: So I'm down there, I'm standing right there is like
Speaker 1: a third and twenty No way, Yeah, Jared Cook, just
Speaker 1: toe dragon, unbelievable play. Can I vote? Yeah, I'm gonna
Speaker 1: vote on the catch. You were there. It happened basically
Speaker 1: ten feet away from me and I and I that
Speaker 1: that one. I will never that play. I'll be at
Speaker 1: the old Folks Home in Costa Rica complaining about it
Speaker 1: and I'm sitting in a chair and Taylor walkin, goes, Brian,
Speaker 1: what bothers you that play in Lambeau? That was terrible?
Speaker 1: It was still it was a catch. So you will
Speaker 1: let me into your into your appreciate that. Will Mickey
Speaker 1: be allowed? Absolutely? Oh good oh goody, gonna have some
Speaker 1: old style beer. Well, Brian, the fandom agreed with you
Speaker 1: seventy say the death catch, and I agree because of
Speaker 1: all those plays, that's the most controversial. That's the one.
Speaker 1: People are still talking about what is a catch in
Speaker 1: the NFL and they use that one as the example.
Speaker 1: It's still discussed and it will be like Brian said,
Speaker 1: like thirty years from now nothing. It will be more
Speaker 1: devastating for Cowboy fans than the Ice Bowl because they
Speaker 1: had that game one. Even if that was a catch,
Speaker 1: they were still going to have to play defense against
Speaker 1: Aaron Rodgers for three more minutes. I did an injured
Speaker 1: a Yeah, who couldn't run. You know it's funny about though,
Speaker 1: do you feel like last year? You know, you had
Speaker 1: home field through the playoffs. I know from a from
Speaker 1: a practical stampoint. Yeah, you feel together, we're going over time. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you you know the catch. Now, I'll tell you what
Speaker 1: I do. Know this there making the catch. You know,
Speaker 1: you'd have to go into Seattle the next week, and
Speaker 1: Dallas had already won a big game at Seattle that year. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean you've Seattle was right Gold twice. Yeah, and
Speaker 1: if you remember, Seattle was awful the first half of
Speaker 1: that game against green Bay up there. And to me,
Speaker 1: it's what was your best shot to get to the
Speaker 1: super Bowl, to go to have Atlanta come home to
Speaker 1: beat him at home, or you go to Seattle and
Speaker 1: get to the super Bowl that way. I think if
Speaker 1: they had beat green Bay, and this is just an
Speaker 1: assumption here, if they beat green Bay in overtime in
Speaker 1: at and T Stadium, A lot of people just from
Speaker 1: talking to different folks who were going to travel down
Speaker 1: for the playoff games, said they were waiting, you know,
Speaker 1: for that NFC Championship game to be at at and
Speaker 1: T Stadium. They weren't going to go to the divisional game,
Speaker 1: just kind of right waited out, and then of course
Speaker 1: didn't go that way at D Stadium would have been bananas.
Speaker 1: It would have been rocking, would have been bananas. What
Speaker 1: do you think? I'm sorry, So I was just gonna
Speaker 1: say a rookie quarterback taking them like that. I'll still
Speaker 1: say the Ice Bowl you were winning, you were going
Speaker 1: to win the NFL championship. It was a championship. Thirteen
Speaker 1: seconds to go, you were going to the Super Bowl
Speaker 1: and they have no timeouts and they're going for it
Speaker 1: because if they if they don't score on that game's over. Yeah. Right,
Speaker 1: go ask Tex Shram what he thought of the call.
Speaker 1: Thomast call ever in the history of the NFL. He
Speaker 1: should have should should have kicked the field goal send
Speaker 1: it into overtime, but he was worried about kicking it
Speaker 1: because the field was so frozen. So think about it.
Speaker 1: You went to Green Bay and their Polar Bowl, Polar
Speaker 1: Bear Weather, and you had him beat I lived five
Speaker 1: years of my life and that Polar Bear you had
Speaker 1: him beaten to the last tween seconds BI game. You know,
Speaker 1: as Jason Garrett asked about third and twenty. Today, we're
Speaker 1: on to Wednesday's PA. No, that was your poll, I know,
Speaker 1: but we're supporting my sixty seven game. All right. I'll
Speaker 1: tell you what that you know what. That's He's not wrong, though,
Speaker 1: is a guy that people just don't remember it don't remember? Yeah, no,
Speaker 1: no it trust me. Every time I tell somebody when
Speaker 1: I lived there. When I lived there, I told people
Speaker 1: I'm from Dallas. That's the first thing people at a
Speaker 1: barroom spoon. Yeah. And you know what, there was only
Speaker 1: fifty thousand people at in the stadium, but they were
Speaker 1: all there. Right. But but anybody who lived in Green
Speaker 1: Bay was at that game. Seriously, but they must have
Speaker 1: had one hundred thousand people said they were there at
Speaker 1: stadium held fifty thousand people. I remember turning to my
Speaker 1: dad and going, what's he doing? I go, if they
Speaker 1: don't score, they're gonna lose. You can kick that field goal, Mickey.
Speaker 1: He couldn't make them. I don't think they could. I
Speaker 1: don't think they could have because there was no footing.
Speaker 1: Are you typing a fake story? I could have? Yeah.
Speaker 1: Where he realized his dream was to work alongside us
Speaker 1: one day. Yeah, and to get to phone lines here
Speaker 1: come a long way from that game to get to NEBBI, right,
Speaker 1: to get to Nebbi. Nebbi, we have you on the line.
Speaker 1: What is your question, sir? Hi? Everyone um listen quite honestly, uh,
Speaker 1: quite honestly. In order to beat the Green Bay Packers
Speaker 1: at home this and they uh uh uh uh uh,
Speaker 1: we have to maximize our possessions, uh controlled the clock
Speaker 1: and h. By maximize our possessions, I mean score touchdowns
Speaker 1: of course, and of course we have to make steps,
Speaker 1: uh when we need to somehow, some way. I take care,
Speaker 1: thanks for being patient with me, and have a great week.
Speaker 1: By maybe he always brings the knowledge here, bailed it too,
Speaker 1: because giveaway possessions. Green Bay's number one in red zone offense. Touchdown, Yeah,
Speaker 1: they score when they get down deep. I mean, you
Speaker 1: know we're talking about their running back questions and yeah,
Speaker 1: we know they've got Aaron Rodgers and he's just so dynamic.
Speaker 1: But do you have these like receivers that you just
Speaker 1: never know you can't really count on them, Okay, Marty B.
Speaker 1: Yeah of course, yeah, you know, Marty B. Yep, Marty B.
Speaker 1: He might be the difference maker in this game and
Speaker 1: come in with a little vengeance. Yeah against the Dallas Cowboys.
Speaker 1: He's gonna see Mickey and just tackle him. Can't wait
Speaker 1: to see him, Alty B and tell him high only
Speaker 1: the Cowboys only have three takeaways. There's only five teams
Speaker 1: in the league. They have fewer. They want that forty.
Speaker 1: So if if you're gonna make mistakes, you better cause
Speaker 1: the other team to make some mistakes too. And they're
Speaker 1: sitting there at minus one right now in turnover differential. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you got to be better than that. And yeah, they're
Speaker 1: not gonna get to forty at this rate, are they? Now? Well,
Speaker 1: it's amazing in three and four. So what does that
Speaker 1: come out to twelve? What is amazing about? You talk
Speaker 1: about turnover differential? And in that playoff game, there's another thing.
Speaker 1: Last year, you think, how did Rogers hold onto that ball?
Speaker 1: Jeff Heath hit him in the back. Oh, I've seen
Speaker 1: quarterbacks get hit less and that ball come flying out
Speaker 1: of there, you know. I asked Heath after the game
Speaker 1: and he said, no, I never felt like he was
Speaker 1: going to fumble the ball. But you watched the playing it.
Speaker 1: There's some violence when he hit him and Rogers, I
Speaker 1: mean you see his his hands like snapped forward and
Speaker 1: like and Scandrick was right there to pick it up.
Speaker 1: That's your game, right, I mean that that just shows
Speaker 1: you what you're doing. But you guys are right the
Speaker 1: turnover aspect of it. They just haven't got their hands on,
Speaker 1: you know, enough passes. They haven't the fumble the other day,
Speaker 1: they get a sack, striped sack and it's on the ground,
Speaker 1: and first play of the hat, he's looking forward. I mean,
Speaker 1: you know, he's trying to find the ball and then
Speaker 1: they fall on it. Those are those are frustrating things.
Speaker 1: And then if you can and then watching that Cincinnati game,
Speaker 1: I think in his career, Aaron Rodgers is only thrown
Speaker 1: two picks sixes, and he threw one in the Cincinnati game.
Speaker 1: So if he throws you one and the Cowboys took advantage,
Speaker 1: mean the Barry Church got one lasht year in the
Speaker 1: regular very. He was a terrible pass he threw Jeff Heath.
Speaker 1: If you remember, if they don't get the illegal contact
Speaker 1: by Brown, he's gonna make a second one back in
Speaker 1: the back end there, you know. So if he's gonna
Speaker 1: throw you one tavantage, take advantage of because you're not
Speaker 1: gonna get many of those opportunities. It's like Peyton Manning.
Speaker 1: You know, he wouldn't throw a lot at the end
Speaker 1: of his career, and then when he did, it was
Speaker 1: like these guys made it a mission to just Randall.
Speaker 1: Cobb fumbled two in the Bears game. The first they
Speaker 1: threw him a slating, one handed catch on the slant,
Speaker 1: he fumbles the ball. You know, you just the Packers
Speaker 1: don't make a lot of mistakes. But if you can
Speaker 1: get him to make one, don't don't. Don't let it go. Yeah,
Speaker 1: don't want Cofford is a good guy and he's a
Speaker 1: guy that will stand in front of his locker and
Speaker 1: take the hard questions. I think it would be interesting
Speaker 1: to talk to him this week about it is right there.
Speaker 1: Oh he couldn't. He just couldn't find it that Anthony
Speaker 1: Brown has to ask for a pick. Yeah, you know,
Speaker 1: miss ops is what they call him. It'll be thirty
Speaker 1: one sixteen to start the second half. Because Wall was right,
Speaker 1: they're at the five yard line. They're gonna, they're gonna,
Speaker 1: they're gonna run the ball with Zeke, and yeah it's
Speaker 1: gonna be you score the ball with Zeke. There has
Speaker 1: not been into we need one hundred and sixty five
Speaker 1: yard game from Zeke. Yeah, there's one in those regular season. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I need one of those games from Zeke. Yeah, some
Speaker 1: creative play calling. Two Tam I'm sorry to remember the
Speaker 1: thing with with Beasley, like he faked like that, he
Speaker 1: faked like he was gonna block, and then he speed out,
Speaker 1: you know, and and then you got the jet sweep
Speaker 1: that kept a drive. I think the I think the
Speaker 1: fact that the Cowboys were able to score right before half.
Speaker 1: You know, they get they convert a Keith third down
Speaker 1: and then all of a sudden, now they're driving the
Speaker 1: ball and he throws the Bryce Butler for a touchdown.
Speaker 1: You know those are that's and I'm just looking at
Speaker 1: the Packers. They're one of the worst teams in the
Speaker 1: league so far in allowing end a half points. So
Speaker 1: keep that in mind too. That's a positive here for
Speaker 1: the Dallas Cowboy get a shot. We're gonna get to
Speaker 1: our phone lines. We have Stanley from New Jersey on
Speaker 1: the line. Stanley, what's your question? Hey guys, man, I
Speaker 1: watch you guys all the time. Man, I just want
Speaker 1: to know, because I'm down in the dumps. I want
Speaker 1: to know, do you think we really can make a
Speaker 1: push to go deep into the playoffs? Okay, and I'll
Speaker 1: just listen to you guys once again. I listen to
Speaker 1: you guys all the time. And I live in Camden,
Speaker 1: New Jersey. I'm across the bridge and Philly, so I
Speaker 1: get all the Philly Not easy, Yeah, not easy. Well, hey,
Speaker 1: I like that. He's just getting a little bit excited
Speaker 1: about this. Maybe some of the packer talk gets in back. Family.
Speaker 1: Let's focus on winning the NFC East again. Yeah, and
Speaker 1: they and you get into the playoffs, then happens, right,
Speaker 1: you got to get in first. Let me ask you this, though,
Speaker 1: who's the best team in the NFC? Who do you
Speaker 1: have the most confidence in? No, I'm just saying though,
Speaker 1: I'm just I'm just trying to think about just to
Speaker 1: try and answer this question, Mickey, But you're absolutely right.
Speaker 1: Is there really a dominant team Kansas City? I think?
Speaker 1: Is there is there a really dominant team in football
Speaker 1: right now? In football? Other than Alabama the Chiefs. I mean,
Speaker 1: they're undefeated, but I think in the AFC still look
Speaker 1: at Tom Brady in New England, think they'll get it together.
Speaker 1: So two and two, yeah, well it's it's still I mean,
Speaker 1: you can get it together at two and two. I
Speaker 1: don't know. Are the Buffalo Bills for real? Are they
Speaker 1: a contender? They went to Adds. I'm saying, though, there's
Speaker 1: a lot of teams you're kind of thinking, you know,
Speaker 1: could could have been you know, and it's only to
Speaker 1: the quarter pole. But yeah, if you if you can,
Speaker 1: it's gonna take. It's gonna take going and win in
Speaker 1: some game. I mean, the RAM game is a terrible
Speaker 1: game because now you've got to find a way to
Speaker 1: make up a game. You're gonna have to find a
Speaker 1: way to beat a Green Bay. You're gonna have to
Speaker 1: find a way to be to Kansas City. You're gonna
Speaker 1: have to find a way to beat in Atlanta. You
Speaker 1: know you're gonna have to win your division. But yeah,
Speaker 1: you're you're gonna need You're gonna need to go win
Speaker 1: one of those games to kind of put you into
Speaker 1: position where you know you can you can have another
Speaker 1: run at it. I know they got a lot of
Speaker 1: injuries on their defense the other night, but the Redskins
Speaker 1: look for real. I mean, I enjoy watching Kirk Cousins
Speaker 1: play their offense. Ye offense looks strong. Um Now, Doxon
Speaker 1: got his shoulder injury on that last final catch, no
Speaker 1: catch there for him, and I was surprised how well
Speaker 1: they played in Kansas City. I thought they played could
Speaker 1: beat to beat Oakland and Mickey's don't go to sleep
Speaker 1: on Detroit by the way. Yeah that's another Yeah, that
Speaker 1: is another one. The Lion doesn't sleep at night. Yes,
Speaker 1: that that, to me is I kind of think about
Speaker 1: that of a transition. I think of the Lions, though.
Speaker 1: The quarterback has done a great job, and they've won
Speaker 1: some really really some tough games, some gritty games. Beat
Speaker 1: Arizona in a gritty game. Uh. They beat Minnesota in
Speaker 1: a gritty game last week? Yeah they did so. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you know, I mean I'm kind of thinking about Stafford
Speaker 1: showing you why I got paid. Yeah about the Rams, Oh,
Speaker 1: the Ram. And that's the other thing. It's like everybody
Speaker 1: feels like the Cowboy should have won that game. Maybe
Speaker 1: you should give credit to the Rams to some degree.
Speaker 1: Putting up thirty five points, which is their average this year.
Speaker 1: It's not like they're average in ten points a game,
Speaker 1: and then they let them. I mean, they're pretty talented
Speaker 1: play Seattle this weekend, don't they. I believe they did.
Speaker 1: That's the other team I was going to mention the
Speaker 1: NFC is you know, you're get a playoff situation where
Speaker 1: you got to go to Seattle against that defensively. No,
Speaker 1: that's another team that by the end of Seattle, though,
Speaker 1: and you play him in November at home and mean
Speaker 1: December at home. So I'm just trying to answer the
Speaker 1: man's question. There's a lot of good teams in the NFC,
Speaker 1: and I think the Cowboys get back to what they
Speaker 1: do well, they're gonna be part of that. Mitch check
Speaker 1: with us at Thanksgiving, that's what part are, right. I
Speaker 1: also would always say that you know me at Thanksgiving
Speaker 1: check thank Yeah. I mean, you look at this team
Speaker 1: from last year at Week four, after a week four
Speaker 1: they played San Francisco, beaten the Bears, beaten Redskins, and
Speaker 1: obviously lost to the Giants in Week one, but you
Speaker 1: still were a little bit unsure if this was for
Speaker 1: real or not. At least I'm speaking for myself. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you know, because there were so many questions with the
Speaker 1: forty nine ers. The Bears looked to be not as
Speaker 1: good as it wore. The Jay Cutler was out that game, right, Yeah,
Speaker 1: it it's it's it's it's how the schedule falls. Sometimes
Speaker 1: when you get guys, you know, guys coming back, guys
Speaker 1: not coming back. I can look at the Packers, well,
Speaker 1: just don't evaluate this year off of last year. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: analyze what you're seeing this year, not what teams did
Speaker 1: last year, because it's not the same team. Yeah, not
Speaker 1: the same If you think though that you could if
Speaker 1: you're having some success on some plays, you might now
Speaker 1: the other team will say, well, listen, we gotta worry
Speaker 1: about these. But with the Cowboys, I think it's a
Speaker 1: lot about offensive execution. It really really is not the
Speaker 1: same team. But it's the same philosophy. They still want
Speaker 1: to do the same things offensive. Oh I understand, but
Speaker 1: you still gotta do you gotta still execute philosophy, and
Speaker 1: you got different personnel. And it's right, not the same team.
Speaker 1: It's not the same team. It's just it's easy to
Speaker 1: look at you see, like, okay, patterns here t Yeah.
Speaker 1: Let me think how long last year everybody was waiting
Speaker 1: for the next shoe to fall, like, yeah, this is
Speaker 1: to so dad can't put, dad can't play play at
Speaker 1: some point he's gonna fall apart. And then as soon
Speaker 1: as they lose one and then don't play as well
Speaker 1: against Minnesota, it's like, oh see, here we go. And
Speaker 1: I think the opponents they've played on defensive had a
Speaker 1: lot to do with what we've seen. That's just me.
Speaker 1: It's funny though. You know we're gonna have to end
Speaker 1: this show soon. But the Rams, it's like about time
Speaker 1: you have about every draft pick you want it over there. Well,
Speaker 1: finally we have a game that somebody could say, Okay,
Speaker 1: there's the first place schedule. Yeah, because the reason they're
Speaker 1: playing Green Bay is because they finished in first place,
Speaker 1: and all the other games other than Atlanta are all
Speaker 1: everybody else playing the same team, same teams. And then
Speaker 1: we'll be in the bye week next week. Just desperate
Speaker 1: to talk about a Cowboys game again. And understand it
Speaker 1: also was the last time they lost two in a row.
Speaker 1: If yeah, lost a lot of the last two games row,
Speaker 1: I think at one time. Thanks for joining us today.
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