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Speaker 1: Here we go, it's hour two. You know, I was

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Speaker 1: going to introduce some new technology today. At this time,

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Speaker 1: I was very, very excited for it. We tested it yesterday,

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Speaker 1: we tested it before the show, and there's just a

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Speaker 1: little bug we got to get out of it, and

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Speaker 1: just just a tiny little bug that I got to

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Speaker 1: get out of this new futuristic technology which I'm going

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Speaker 1: to present. So that's where we are. I was saying

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Speaker 1: to start last hour. The Laker game last night was great.

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Speaker 1: Lakers played Orlando. Lakers was great in the first quarter.

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Speaker 1: Austin Reeves was really had a great night, tough shot making.

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Speaker 1: Luca didn't shoot particularly well. But you know the thing

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Speaker 1: with Luca is, you know he's got the he's a

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Speaker 1: little bit of a tech stock. He's going to outperform

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Speaker 1: the market. But there's a lot of volatility. This constant

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Speaker 1: haranguing with the officials. It's exhausting. It just never ends.

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Speaker 1: And it would be one thing if he was a

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Speaker 1: consistently great defensive player, but he's not. He's a liability.

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Speaker 1: So when he's barking at the officials, he's just adding,

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Speaker 1: you know, to the element of his game that is

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Speaker 1: a huge liability, which is getting back on defense and

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Speaker 1: squaring people up and making them uncomfortable. Zach Lowe recently

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Speaker 1: on The Ringer, exhausted by Luca having another thirteen plus

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Speaker 1: technical foul season. Here's Zach. The whining is back.

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Speaker 3: It just peak slash the dear Dallas levels. It's every play,

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Speaker 3: just play man, not everything is a foul, and it's

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Speaker 3: almost like are you playing to draw a foul or

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Speaker 3: are you playing basketball?

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Speaker 1: Like which one are you doing?

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Speaker 3: Are you playing one on one and like with the

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Speaker 3: refs or are you playing a game? It's every single

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Speaker 3: possession now it's completely out of control. It's back to

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Speaker 3: Dallas levels. It's just unwatchable.

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Speaker 1: And I'm not saying I mean magic Johnson complained to

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Speaker 1: the refs a lot, so did Michael Jordan. But Lebron's

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Speaker 1: always been about a four to five technical guy. I

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Speaker 1: think Lebron had one technical year that he was like ten.

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Speaker 1: That's big for Lebron. He's not a big complainer. I

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Speaker 1: mean he says it kind of walking away. He's not

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Speaker 1: real confrontational as a player with teammates, with coaches, with officials.

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Speaker 1: Luca's thirteen plus. It's growing, and it's troubling because he

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Speaker 1: spends a lot of time arguing and talking to the refs,

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Speaker 1: and he's not a good defensive player. So it's like, Bro,

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Speaker 1: you got to get back. This has never been a

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Speaker 1: faster game and you've never aged more quickly. So it's

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Speaker 1: like it's a problem, and nobody disputes. The Lakers are

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Speaker 1: going to be in business with him for the next

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Speaker 1: seven eight years. But I would say that he's had

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Speaker 1: ninety nine Lebron Lucas had ninety nine techts in eight years.

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Speaker 1: Lebron's had seventy six and twenty three years. And Lebron's

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Speaker 1: a much better defender and gets back. So it's a

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Speaker 1: problem and it's irritating, and you know, that's where we

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Speaker 1: are really really entertaining game. But I do think this

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Speaker 1: week the new Dodger owners took former Laker execu Lonrosen

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Speaker 1: I think what's going to happen? And I think it's

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Speaker 1: fairly obvious they're going to move off Lebron. They should

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Speaker 1: because Lebron and Luca don't really work together. You think

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Speaker 1: now at a high level and Lebron, you know, it

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Speaker 1: just it doesn't it should work. It sounds like I

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Speaker 1: work more efficiently than it does now. Lebron's way past

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Speaker 1: his prime. That's why so many are Lebron's best quarters

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Speaker 1: And with that, Albert Breer at the NFL Combine it

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I'd say things have definitely changed, like the first

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Speaker 4: that effect. There was a RAMS impact here, and I

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Speaker 4: think the RAMS impact was like they felt like sometimes

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Speaker 4: these fifteen minute interviews can be deceiving and can change

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Speaker 4: are you throwing seven or eight months of research out

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Speaker 4: the window based on a fifteen minute talk with somebody,

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Speaker 4: so that's a factor too. And then yeah, I think

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Speaker 4: convention for all NFL people. So all the agents are here,

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Speaker 4: that setting up for free agency. Now, I'd say it

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Speaker 4: there was a point when free agency would start right

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Speaker 4: Now there's a little separation. But I do think like

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Speaker 4: markets are set here, right. Trade markets are set, the

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Speaker 4: financial market for free agency is set.

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Speaker 5: A lot of agents and.

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Speaker 4: Teams are going to leave here knowing, you know, what

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Speaker 4: a guy like Kenneth Walker might make on the free

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Speaker 4: as well. But you're certainly right there are fewer head

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Speaker 4: kind of a shame because I do feel like it

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Speaker 5: Out of it a little bit.

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Speaker 1: If I had the guess of a team that would

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Speaker 1: move up, it would be the Kansas City Chiefs to

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Speaker 1: And Brett Veach has discussed that that we have to

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Speaker 1: be better at running the football. I don't care if

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Speaker 1: you're Ma Homes, I don't care if you're Herbert. Everybody's

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Speaker 1: better with a good, solid run game period. Brady was

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Speaker 1: as well, if what do you hear about Kansas City Love?

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Speaker 1: It's such a natural fit. It's a week running back draft.

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Speaker 1: He's a Jamier Gibbs type, home run hitting running back,

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Speaker 4: if something like that could happen, Like you know, there

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Speaker 4: Brice Hall looks like he's going to be tagged. But

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Speaker 4: if Brice Hall weren't tagged, that'd be an option too.

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Speaker 4: And I think one thing Brett Feach is really good

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Speaker 4: at is looking at this stuff globally. So it's like,

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Speaker 4: to view it. I want to do more around Patrick Mahomes,

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Speaker 4: whether Kelsey's back or not, this year, we need to

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Speaker 5: So, like how do you look at it.

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Speaker 4: Do you look at it like we're better off getting

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Speaker 4: But if Alec Pierce were to become available, then would

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Speaker 4: it be Alec Pierce and Jeremiah Love versus say, Kenneth

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Speaker 5: You know, so, yeah, I think you have.

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Speaker 4: To look at it that way, and a lot of

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Speaker 4: free agency is going to be dictated again, does Brice

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Speaker 5: Does Alec Pierce get tagged?

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Speaker 4: Like there are some good names out there right now,

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Speaker 4: are those names still going to be available a couple

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Speaker 4: you know, obviously there's an opportunity there for the Chiefs

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Speaker 1: So Mac Jones. We got into this discussion about twenty

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Speaker 1: careful about mac Jones. Matt shab was a pro bowler.

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Speaker 1: Kyle Shanahan leaves him, he goes six and ten. Matt

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Speaker 1: when Shanahan leaves. The following year, Garoppolo gets to a

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Speaker 1: Super Bowl, flops when he's by himself and the Raiders.

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Speaker 1: Mac Jones is an interesting player, but his passer rating

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Speaker 4: I think teams will call and here's the thing that's

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Speaker 4: not just trading the player to trade the contract.

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Speaker 6: Right.

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Speaker 5: So Kyler Murray and.

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Speaker 4: Tua Tugabaloa are complicated by their contract situations. For Tua,

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Speaker 4: it's fifty four million dollars lump some this year. Obviously,

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Speaker 4: if the Dolphins were gonna trade them, they would have

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Speaker 4: he gets cut. Maybe he's available for the minimum. Kyler

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Speaker 4: got thirty six guaranteed this year and eighteen guaranteed next year.

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Speaker 4: So how do you resolve that to make him attractive

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Speaker 4: books for US than five million dollars next year. Colin,

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Speaker 4: it was brilliant of the Niners to get the second

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Speaker 4: the Vikings for nothing. And so I think the Niners

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Speaker 4: if you want to come to us and make us

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Speaker 5: We're more than willing to talk.

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Speaker 4: And so like the price tag goes up based on

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Speaker 4: the fact that the financial number.

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Speaker 4: And I do think like a team like Minnesota, where

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Speaker 1: you're like, man, that's painful, and then you'll wake up

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Speaker 1: and you're like John Harbaugh is like, well, Jackson darts

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Speaker 1: free for the next three years, and Scataboo is free,

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Speaker 1: and Neighbors is free, and Abdull Carter is free. The

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Speaker 1: Giants are in a space that John Harball was going

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Speaker 1: to be financially trapped in Baltimore, and he's not in

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Speaker 1: New York. He's got all sorts of freedom. So it's

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Speaker 1: one of those where you look and you feel bad

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Speaker 1: for John Harball, and I'm like, now the Giants thing,

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Speaker 1: the Giants thing. When you don't have to pay your

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Speaker 1: quarterback for three years, man, you have a lot of

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Speaker 1: options as a GM and a head coach. And John Harball,

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Speaker 1: like his brother Jim, is pretty damn good at personnel.

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Speaker 1: He's one of those head coaches. He knows personnel.

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Speaker 8: So it's interesting. I love that point you made about

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Speaker 8: Harball maybe getting lucky.

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Speaker 7: So you remember the.

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Speaker 8: Website that I started way back in the day. I

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Speaker 8: had a job offer two years in from ESPN the

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Speaker 8: magazine before it was done, and I nearly stopped doing

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Speaker 8: the website to go work for a magazine.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, a lot of people do stuff, and by the

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Speaker 1: end way it was better that you didn't get.

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Speaker 7: It thousand percent.

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Speaker 5: I think you're right.

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Speaker 8: I think Harball kind of. I don't know if Dodge

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Speaker 8: the bullet is.

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Speaker 1: That too strong, And both Ravens are so well owned

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Speaker 1: and so smart. I'm not going to insinuate he was trapped.

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Speaker 1: But Jesse Mintter is going to figure this out. You

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Speaker 1: got to navigate some cap issues because Linderbaum the center

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Speaker 1: is great, can't lose, can't lose. He's great. Arguably the

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Speaker 1: second best center to Creed Humphrey in the league. He's great,

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Speaker 1: and then Lamar Jackson wins seventy six percent of his games,

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Speaker 1: and they're both due the bag. Well, they've also got

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Speaker 1: several other veteran players. Who are you know Kyle Hamilton

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Speaker 1: now is moving into his prime. Well, they've got like

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Speaker 1: six Pro Bowls.

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Speaker 8: They need a new cornerback. Marlon Humphrey's kind of done,

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Speaker 8: I will say mintor. They don't have a lot of

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Speaker 8: talent on that defense, but he can work magic with

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Speaker 8: not great talent. As we start at the charges, he's outstanding.

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Speaker 8: I also the wide receiver room, what's going on there?

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Speaker 8: What do we do with Dereck Henry, who who kind

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Speaker 8: of struggled a lot at times last season. I think

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Speaker 8: the Ravens have a lot of questions. I currently don't

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Speaker 8: have them as a playoffs.

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Speaker 1: In the same way, and I love the organization. I

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Speaker 1: love it. I don't have him as a playoff team.

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Speaker 1: I think they have too many things to navigate financially.

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Speaker 8: All right, here's a team we both have as a

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Speaker 8: playoff team. That's the Denver Broncos. They should bounce back

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Speaker 8: strong once again. Bo Nick still in the rookie deal.

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Speaker 8: Who knows bo Nicks could have been in the Super

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Speaker 8: Bowl if he didn't suffer that fluke injury on like

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Speaker 8: the second and last play of the game. Anyways, the

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Speaker 8: big news out of Denver you alluded to this earlier,

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Speaker 8: is Sean Payton is giving up play calling duties and

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Speaker 8: handing the baton to a thirty one year old named

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Speaker 8: Davis Webb who you may remember as a backup quarterback

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Speaker 8: just a few years ago.

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Speaker 1: Here's Peyton.

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Speaker 10: With regards to play calling. It's something that you know,

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Speaker 10: I think he'll be really good at him And I

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Speaker 10: know that's like, man, are you going to give up

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Speaker 10: play calling? And I would only do that if I

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Speaker 10: felt like would help our team. I'll still be involved

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Speaker 10: with what we do offensively, just like what we do defensively.

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Speaker 10: But I do think he has a gift. I think

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Speaker 10: he's real sharp. I'm glad he's on our staff.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, And if you don't let him do that, he's

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Speaker 1: gonna leave. So I think Sean Payton is you got

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Speaker 1: to do this sometimes. You know, it's like Sean mcvay's

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Speaker 1: really good people. Sometimes you have to you gotta trust him.

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Speaker 1: And my take is Sean Payton likes control. Even in

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Speaker 1: the draft. He likes to say he would not do

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Speaker 1: this if he didn't think Davis Webb was really special.

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Speaker 1: He didn't have to do this. I mean, he's choosing

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Speaker 1: to do.

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Speaker 5: This, Colin.

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Speaker 7: He was tight with Lombardi. They were tight forever.

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Speaker 5: Man.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, but a lot of times you can be tight

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Speaker 1: with a coach, but you don't necessarily the fit is good.

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Speaker 1: A lot of times you work with people and are

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Speaker 1: they as good as the guy across the street. Maybe not,

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Speaker 1: but you like the personality, you like the fit, you

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Speaker 1: trust them, and I think I think Sean Payton like

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Speaker 1: really liked Lombardi and trusted him, and they work well together,

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Speaker 1: and he was more than competent. But to relinquish the

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Speaker 1: play calling duties, that's next level. And I also think

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Speaker 1: Davis Webb has a reputation and the kind of aspirational growth,

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Speaker 1: Like if you don't do this, he's gonna move on,

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Speaker 1: and then Sean is stock calling plays for the rest

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Speaker 1: of his career.

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Speaker 8: I just hope you don't Lombardy me at some point. Fortunately,

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Speaker 8: I'm more Ben Johnson than Lombardi.

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Speaker 7: That's obvious. All right, let's go to the final story.

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Speaker 8: Kansas City Chiefs missed the playoffs for the first time

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Speaker 8: in the Mahomes era, and everybody's linking them to a

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Speaker 8: running back to kind of bolster a meek offense. So

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Speaker 8: we heard Jeremiah Love, we heard Travis Etn. I think

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Speaker 8: somebody was it Breer today floating Kenneth Walker. Here's GM

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Speaker 8: Brett Veach talking about the run game.

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Speaker 11: And we've talked about it and Coach has done an

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Speaker 11: amazing job with his staff cracking on that scheme, though,

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Speaker 11: But I think being more explosive in the running game

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Speaker 11: and really taking advantage of those interior three to kind

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Speaker 11: of impose your will on an opposing team's defense. But

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Speaker 11: the running game takes a lot of pressure off everybody.

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Speaker 11: So I think we can be more explosive and more

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Speaker 11: effective in the running game. I think obviously can take

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Speaker 11: a lot of pressure off bat, especially coming back early

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Speaker 11: in the season with the injury.

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Speaker 1: I think they're gonna go. I think they're going to

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Speaker 1: move up to get Loves. You know, it's funny. I

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Speaker 1: was looking at the mock drafts this morning. Everybody's got

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Speaker 1: their you've got your mock draft.

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Speaker 8: I'm sure I haven't put one out yet I'm waiting

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Speaker 8: for the combine to end.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a Love looks like he's going to go.

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Speaker 1: Chiefs have the ninth pick, and Love looks like he's

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Speaker 1: I mean, you have to look. So the Raiders aren't

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Speaker 1: taking him, the Jets aren't taking him, Arizona's not taking him.

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Speaker 1: I doubt that Tennessee's taken him. There's a lot of

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Speaker 1: good offensive tackles and edge rushers that are going to

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Speaker 1: gobble up the first seven or eight or nine picks.

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Speaker 1: Giants don't need a running back. They got Scataboo, so

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Speaker 1: Kansas City is. I could see them moving up a

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Speaker 1: spot if they worried about the Saints, but Jeremiah Love

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Speaker 1: changes their run game.

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Speaker 7: Trading or Gibbs trading up.

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Speaker 5: For a running back.

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Speaker 1: Colin, we got one spot, you give up a fourth round.

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Speaker 8: Pick, Okay scenario. So I'm looking at the Chiefs offensive line.

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Speaker 8: They have the young kids. Simmons out of Ohio State,

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Speaker 8: who had the major injury in college, missed a bunch

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Speaker 8: of games last year.

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Speaker 1: But he is talented and good to be played.

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Speaker 7: But he missed a bunch of games as a rookie.

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Speaker 7: So the right tackle was the worst position.

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Speaker 5: On the offensive line. Want Taylor terrible.

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Speaker 8: So let's say something happens to the left tackle during

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Speaker 8: the season. You're now up to San Diego, not San Diego,

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Speaker 8: You're up the Chargers Creek. You've got to shuffle the

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Speaker 8: deck on. I think the Chiefs have to look offensive

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Speaker 8: line at nine. You absolutely cannot go in a next

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Speaker 8: season with Simmons, Taylor.

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Speaker 7: And question Mark.

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Speaker 1: That's not enough.

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Speaker 8: Or you're gonna remember the Super Bowl against the Bucks

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Speaker 8: Colin where Brady had no tackle. Sorry now, Brady Mahomes

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Speaker 8: had no tackles and got annihilated. This is the big problem.

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Speaker 8: Mahomes is coming off in injury. Is he going to

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Speaker 8: be running as much? I think I know everybody loves love,

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Speaker 8: loves love to the Chiefs. I would look offensive tackle. Yeah,

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Speaker 8: at nine, I think that's.

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Speaker 7: Got to be the move.

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Speaker 1: Well, in the history of the last thirty years of

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Speaker 1: the draft, last fifty years, you can get running back

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Speaker 1: talent to your point, everywhere, Yep, the great offensive tackles

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Speaker 1: are almost universally first round or early second Like if

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Speaker 1: you look at the thirtieth thirty best left tackles in

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Speaker 1: league history, it's like twenty eight our first round picks.

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Speaker 1: Running Backs come in all shapes in size. Now, it's

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Speaker 1: not a good running back class and Love is exceptional.

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Speaker 1: He's like, like, it's not a great quarterback class. I

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Speaker 1: think Mendoza is elite. It's not a good running back class.

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Speaker 1: I think Love is elite. This class has depth at tackle,

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Speaker 1: edge rusher, a corner, but it doesn't have it at

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Speaker 1: running backs. So to your point, that's what Albert Breer said,

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Speaker 1: they may go after Kenneth Walker and not worry about

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Speaker 1: the draft.

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Speaker 8: And you see how teams when they lose a Trent

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Speaker 8: Williams goes down for four games, forty nine ers are screwed.

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Speaker 8: Eagles lose Lane Johnson for a few games. It's a

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Speaker 8: major issue offensive line. Like, let's not underestimate it. Plus,

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Speaker 8: the free agent market for running backs is not terrible.

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Speaker 8: I'd say the free agent market is actually better for

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Speaker 8: running backs. You know, the Chiefs have no money because

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Speaker 8: they're broke. But we'll see what happens with with Kelsey.

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Speaker 8: And sounds like they're moving off like Dana if they

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Speaker 8: didn't already on the defensive line, they got some more

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Speaker 8: moves to me.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Jmack with the News, Well that's the news and

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Speaker 1: thanks for stopping by the line. J Mack will love

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Speaker 1: our guest next hour, Jeff Goodman's coming in. It's a

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Speaker 1: massive draft and the three top players are all elite talent.

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Speaker 1: This draft was very good. We've talked about that the NIL,

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Speaker 1: not that it's saved college basketball, but the ratings are

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Speaker 1: up significantly over the last three years. There was about

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Speaker 1: a twenty year cycle in college basketball.

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Speaker 2: Now.

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Speaker 1: The Florida Gators with Billy Donovan had back to back championships.

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Speaker 1: They had four NBA guys, but there was a big

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Speaker 1: gap in college basketball. It felt like fifteen years where

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Speaker 1: I mean you may have one NBA guy and a

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Speaker 1: team a second guys at second rounder a college basketball

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Speaker 1: wasn't very good at low scoring games. I mean, Butler's

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Speaker 1: making it, you know, to the final four, Y're like

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Speaker 1: not very good. Since the Yukon Huskies won that title

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Speaker 1: a few years ago and had like seven Stefan Castle,

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Speaker 1: seven guys that were going to make the NBA college

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Speaker 1: basketball the NIL twenty guys are coming from overseas, the

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Speaker 1: Nils buying the best European kids, and another twenty guys

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Speaker 1: are staying another year in college. This past draft excellent

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Speaker 1: upcoming draft sensational Jeff Goodman Final Hour to talk about

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Speaker 1: that and how did Michigan get this good? Michigan looks

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Speaker 1: like a it's like their offensive line. It's just power

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Speaker 1: and size. How did Michigan get this good? We'll talk

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Speaker 1: We were talking about this earlier. The Athletic did a story.

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Speaker 1: They went back to the last twenty two or twenty

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Speaker 1: three years and they had a bunch of criteria on

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Speaker 1: what a successful coach is based on regular season wins,

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Speaker 1: playoff wins, super Bowl appearances, and of the one hundred

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Speaker 1: and sixty coaches hired over a twenty two to twenty

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Speaker 1: three year period, according to the Athletic, these are the

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Speaker 1: ones that I kind of judged as gold level and

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Speaker 1: silver level, and these are all great coaches. There were

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Speaker 1: only of one hundred and sixty four, you know, kind

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Speaker 1: of gold jacket hires Belichick, Andy Reid, Sean McVay, and

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Speaker 1: Tom Coughlin. Belichick, Coughlin, Andy Reid had been head coaches before.

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Speaker 1: McVeigh was this wonder kid out of Washington who just

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Speaker 1: they wouldn't let leave the building. And then there's the

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Speaker 1: silver tier, which is Pete Carroll, Tony Dungee. They had

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Speaker 1: been head coaches before, but you know, John Harbab, Mike

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Speaker 1: McCarthy and Sean Payton and Tomlin had not. So it

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Speaker 1: doesn't matter if it's you don't necessarily have to be

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Speaker 1: a head coach before to have worked. I do think

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Speaker 1: it helps potentially, but that's only ten of one hundred

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Speaker 1: and sixty coaches. Now, there were other coaches that succeeded.

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Speaker 1: Mike Martze or John Fox had some success. I'm I'm

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Speaker 1: not saying, you know, there were another semi successful coaches,

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Speaker 1: but nobody's looking to hire a semi successful coach. You

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Speaker 1: want to get one of these two level, the gold

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Speaker 1: tier guys, the gold jacket guys or guys that you're

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Speaker 1: gonna you know, silver tier guys. You know, I think

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Speaker 1: it's fair to say that Mike McCarthy and Pittsburgh and

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Speaker 1: Sean Payton and Denver, those are really good hires. Mike

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Speaker 1: McCarthy's probably gonna win some games in Pittsburgh. I think

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Speaker 1: Sean Payton's the better coach and has succeeded very quickly

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Speaker 1: in Denver. But yeah, I mean it's uh. And for

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Speaker 1: the record, you know who I'm not including in this yet.

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Speaker 1: It's Kyle Shanahan, who I think will end up in

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Speaker 1: one of these two tiers. But he is. He has

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Speaker 1: had several losing seasons and missed the playoffs several times,

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Speaker 1: so he's not at that level. And again, there are

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Speaker 1: coaches like Kyle Shanahan who I think are excellent. Speaking

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Speaker 1: of Shanahan, there was a story today about teams going

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Speaker 1: out and getting Mac Jones the backup to Brock Purty,

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Speaker 1: who was sensational. I mean, he really was. He had

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Speaker 1: a passer rating of you know, high nineties, seventy percent

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Speaker 1: completion rate. I think he's surprised all we all thought

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Speaker 1: his career was dead. I mean, be honest, you did too,

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Speaker 1: And basically Kyle Shanahan. He did it to Matt Ryan,

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Speaker 1: Matt Shab Jimmy Garoppolo takes him to a level that

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Speaker 1: everybody's surprised. And I asked Albert Breer from the Combine

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Speaker 1: on the potential mac Jones interest around the league. There's

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Speaker 1: got to be some, right.

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Speaker 4: Ma's much more easily tradable. He's on the books for

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Speaker 4: less than five million dollars next year.

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Speaker 9: Colin.

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Speaker 4: It was brilliant of the Niners to get the second

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Speaker 4: year on that contract, and they learned their lesson for

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Speaker 4: not doing a two year deal a couple of years

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Speaker 4: ago with Sam Darnold, where they like him go to

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Speaker 4: the Vikings for nothing. And so I think the Niners

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Speaker 4: are in a great position here whereas either we have

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Speaker 4: our Brock Party insurance at a very affordable rate, or

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Speaker 4: if you want to come to us and make us

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Speaker 4: an offer, we're more than willing to talk.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. So I just think I think Minnesota is the fit.

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Speaker 1: But they got a JJ McCarthy issue, So that's where

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Speaker 1: we stand. The other thing to talk about it at

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Speaker 1: the Combine is that it's sort of changed, and I

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Speaker 1: think it's fascinating why it's changed. It's always been kind

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Speaker 1: of an interesting watch to me. They call it the

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Speaker 1: underwear Olympics. But why the Rams said no, we're not

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Speaker 1: going to go, and Jacksonville similarly this week, said you know,

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Speaker 1: we're not going to send our GM or our coach.

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Speaker 1: Is the concern is, and I think it's valid, is

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Speaker 1: that people go and train in Arizona and then they

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Speaker 1: train with their agents for the interview, So everything's a

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Speaker 1: little sin had. Nobody's really once you go to camp

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Speaker 1: and once you start the season, everybody's banged up. I mean,

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Speaker 1: even the fast guys aren't as fast, and the moderately

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Speaker 1: fast guys are slower because they're all binged up. And

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Speaker 1: so a lot of the NFL season is pain, tolerance,

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Speaker 1: playing hurt, attrition, being a good teammate. It's not just hey,

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Speaker 1: you look good in the hotel lobby and a little

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Speaker 1: bit of the combine is prepared interviews. Everybody's slick and

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Speaker 1: sleek and in great shape and healthy, and that's not

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Speaker 1: really like to me, what do I need to learn

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Speaker 1: from Fernando Mendoza? Honestly, what in the world do I

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Speaker 1: need to learn? I thought it was interesting that Albert

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Speaker 1: Breer said, you know, listen, it's a great quarterback class

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Speaker 1: next year. Are the Raiders necessarily gonna take Fernando Mendoza.

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Speaker 1: Albert Breer would only say, Fernando Mendoz will go number one.

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Speaker 1: But ask yourself, what if you're the Raider? Now I

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Speaker 1: wouldn't move off it, But what if you're the Raiders

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Speaker 1: GM and you know next year's class. Remember, there is

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Speaker 1: a feeling, and it's an overwhelming feeling from the executives.

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Speaker 1: I have texted that Mendoza is not Caleb Williams. He

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Speaker 1: is not Drake may, he is not Andrew Luck. He's

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Speaker 1: not Trevor Lawrence. Now, he could end up being very,

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Speaker 1: very good. He's not that calib He's a little stiff.

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Speaker 1: He's not a great athlete. Heaton, and nobody knew who

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Speaker 1: he was at cal He wasn't tearing the world up.

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Speaker 1: We knew who Andrew Luck was when he was a

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Speaker 1: freshman at Stanford. We knew who Trevor Lawrence was as

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Speaker 1: a freshman at Clemson. We knew who Caleb Williams was

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Speaker 1: as a freshman at Oklahoma. They like jumped off the TV.

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Speaker 1: That's not Fernando Mendoza. I would acknowledge that that's not who.

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Speaker 1: He's not Elway, he's not Trevor Lawrence, he's not Caleb

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Speaker 1: he's not Drake May. As a talenter, I don't think

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Speaker 1: he's nearly as talented as Justin Herbert. I think he's

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Speaker 1: more in the you know, he's more in the Matt

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Speaker 1: Ryan class who I interviewed Matt Ryan when I used

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Speaker 1: to work at the other place out of Boston College.

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Speaker 1: He was a little thin, super smart, totally you know, driven.

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Speaker 1: You could tell he wasn't going to succeed, but he

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Speaker 1: didn't blow you away in terms of size and arm

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Speaker 1: and mobility. I think that's what Fernando Mendos is. But

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Speaker 1: let's say you're the GM of the Raiders and somebody

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Speaker 1: calls you and says, we'll give you two number ones.

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Speaker 1: What and you're and you're I mean, go look at

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Speaker 1: the draft board and you only have to move down

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Speaker 1: four spots or five spots. And you're like, all right, well,

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Speaker 1: then I have two ones the next year, I have

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Speaker 1: two ones the following year. I mean, let let's let's

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Speaker 1: say Arizona calls at number three and Arizona says, we'll

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Speaker 1: give you the next two years. We'll give you a

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Speaker 1: number one pick and you're the Raiders, and like I

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Speaker 1: moved down to three. Okay, and next year there's like

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Speaker 1: six quarterbacks. And I mean we're in a division with

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Speaker 1: a better LA Charger team, a better Denver team, and

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Speaker 1: a better Chiefs team. Even with Mendoza, if we could

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Speaker 1: win nine wins, you'd be overwhelmingly happy. So my take is, well,

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Speaker 1: that is I think you take that phocals John Spytech

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Speaker 1: the GM said we're taking calls. So again, you wouldn't

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Speaker 1: do that with Trevor Lawrence. You wouldn't do it with

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Speaker 1: Peyton Manning, John Elway, Andrew Caleb Williams or Drake May.

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Speaker 1: You wouldn't do it. But you know, listen to GMS

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Speaker 1: acknowledging I'm taking calls on it. What I worry about

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Speaker 1: with the Raiders is they already have so many picks

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Speaker 1: this year. I don't have it. Off the top of

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Speaker 1: my head. I think they have a first, second, a third,

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Speaker 1: three fourths, two fives. Multiple say they have so many picks.

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Speaker 1: I think they have ten or eleven picks. The worry

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Speaker 1: about getting more picks is good God, we're going to

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Speaker 1: be a young football team. You don't want to be

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Speaker 1: that young in a division with great coaching and great

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Speaker 1: rosters surrounding you. You don't want to have thirteen picks

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Speaker 1: or you don't. What you need is more good player.

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Speaker 1: That's why I would resign Max Crosby, because you have

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Speaker 1: so many picks. You're gonna have so much cheap labor

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Speaker 1: after this draft. If you hit on seven or eighty

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Speaker 1: or ten draft picks, you can easily afford Max Crosby

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Speaker 1: because you're not paying anybody else. So, but I think

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Speaker 1: taking a call is interesting.

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Speaker 7: Okay, So what's your game plant quarterback?

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Speaker 5: If you do trade out at number one.

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Speaker 1: I would take I would trade down again and get

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Speaker 1: get Ty Simpson at twelve.

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Speaker 8: Let me vomit in my mouth as we go to

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Speaker 8: commercial breaths.

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Speaker 7: Oh, whoa, whoa,