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Speaker 1: I know there's a player that I have had massive

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Speaker 1: Talk to me about Rushi Rice in his latest incident,

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Speaker 3: Why can't he reab in the prison cell? Well, what's

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Speaker 1: Look, because everybody in prison is named doc. But not

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Speaker 2: I don't think the correctional system truly has elite medical care.

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Speaker 3: Well, Rice was gonna have to serve this story for

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Speaker 3: thirty day suspension. That this thirty day jail time at

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Speaker 3: some So this isn't new. It's not like, oh, he

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Speaker 3: It's now just okay, well you have to serve it now,

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Speaker 3: basically is what the jurisdiction is kind of explaining here.

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Speaker 3: the thirty day thing is not new. So I think

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Speaker 3: I think he's still gonna play in twenty twenty six.

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Speaker 3: After that, though there's no long term commitment. He's in

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Speaker 1: Well that's could take those two separate things. Those things

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Speaker 1: He's going to be twenty seven when he is a

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Speaker 2: Most NFL teams, the NFL is really good at overlooking

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Speaker 1: The bigger thing is, like.

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Speaker 1: Two people on this show. I can't speak for Andrew Erickson.

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Speaker 1: I've partied with all three of you, but I have

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Speaker 2: But the point is this.

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Speaker 1: The point is if I knew that I had to

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Speaker 1: And I think I said, no one's no one's shaming

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Speaker 2: At the end of the day, it just comes back

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Speaker 1: We're eric'son deeper brings up a good point too. I

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Speaker 3: No, I think that makes the most sense. But for

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Speaker 3: maybe six games. Because Rushie Rice is a multiple offender

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Speaker 1: Let's begin with an old man, because you know it

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Speaker 1: The Steelers have an interesting situation because you have Aaron

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Speaker 2: maybe one more time. Like who would you rather have?

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Speaker 3: Hmmm?

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Speaker 1: I think that had Mike Tom would been there, I

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Speaker 1: It's plus eight thousand for them to win the Super Bowl,

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Speaker 1: It's plus six hundred, which I wouldn't even put it

437
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Speaker 1: in now last year, I know, but to make well,

438
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Speaker 1: look what it took for that to happen though.

439
00:18:50,880 --> 00:18:53,200
Speaker 2: Yea. The Bengals though.

440
00:18:55,080 --> 00:18:57,320
Speaker 1: Basically you know, get hurt and injured at the same

441
00:18:57,359 --> 00:19:00,800
Speaker 1: time to make the playoffs plus one seventy no is

442
00:19:00,840 --> 00:19:03,520
Speaker 1: minus one sixty five. I'm on the one sixty five

443
00:19:03,560 --> 00:19:06,520
Speaker 1: minus side. You all agree, Yeah, I'm just not.

444
00:19:06,520 --> 00:19:08,240
Speaker 2: Betting it, but yes, I wouldn't bet it either.

445
00:19:08,280 --> 00:19:09,760
Speaker 1: And then the last one is the win total, which

446
00:19:09,840 --> 00:19:12,480
Speaker 1: right now on average is seven and a half, which

447
00:19:12,520 --> 00:19:14,480
Speaker 1: is wow.

448
00:19:14,720 --> 00:19:15,679
Speaker 2: I was gonna say eight and a.

449
00:19:15,680 --> 00:19:17,879
Speaker 1: Half some markets to eight and a half. But this

450
00:19:17,920 --> 00:19:20,280
Speaker 1: show's on betting pros feed today too, so we're talking

451
00:19:20,280 --> 00:19:22,960
Speaker 1: a little bit from this angle. So, Andrew, I mean

452
00:19:23,280 --> 00:19:24,880
Speaker 1: seven and a half going over under.

453
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Speaker 3: That I probably couldn't go, probably gonna go over because

454
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Speaker 3: I mentioned earlier I didn't know what the line was

455
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Speaker 3: closer to eight and a half. Steel is always fine

456
00:19:32,480 --> 00:19:35,640
Speaker 3: out to steak out those eight to nine wins, and

457
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Speaker 3: with Mike McCarthy there, I don't really see any other way.

458
00:19:39,280 --> 00:19:41,600
Speaker 3: I do again, but I can't get past the point

459
00:19:41,600 --> 00:19:44,040
Speaker 3: that I do feel like that there is a high

460
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Speaker 3: range of outcomes where I think that the roster's not

461
00:19:48,240 --> 00:19:50,159
Speaker 3: that bad, to be honest, and if they actually had

462
00:19:50,240 --> 00:19:53,440
Speaker 3: a above average quarterback, I feel much better about them.

463
00:19:53,440 --> 00:19:54,560
Speaker 3: I think that their defense is a lot of good

464
00:19:54,560 --> 00:19:57,200
Speaker 3: pieces out of Jamal Dean, He's really a really good corner.

465
00:19:57,480 --> 00:19:58,400
Speaker 3: Barry Joey.

466
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Speaker 1: If Michael Pittman's healthy, he's useful.

467
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Speaker 3: But again, it's like, you know, the division is obviously

468
00:20:04,840 --> 00:20:06,680
Speaker 3: really really tough too, and it's gonna be tough with

469
00:20:06,680 --> 00:20:09,360
Speaker 3: the Robles last year. So that's where you run into

470
00:20:09,400 --> 00:20:11,399
Speaker 3: some potential issues with the Pittsburgh and you have to

471
00:20:11,840 --> 00:20:14,520
Speaker 3: face a first place schedule, so probably a win lost

472
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Speaker 3: total that I would like to stay away from. But

473
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Speaker 3: I don't know, could you see a center where they

474
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Speaker 3: finish again if you're taking the under the seven win

475
00:20:20,280 --> 00:20:22,320
Speaker 3: and a half win totals, what if they do only

476
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Speaker 3: win five games even with Michael Carthy, even with Aaron Rodgers,

477
00:20:25,600 --> 00:20:29,320
Speaker 3: Is that like more realistic to you guys versus Oh,

478
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Speaker 3: they're gonna probably get to like nine wins.

479
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Speaker 1: For me, it really I'd have to go look at

480
00:20:34,600 --> 00:20:36,800
Speaker 1: their schedule again and kind of really contemplate on the

481
00:20:36,800 --> 00:20:40,360
Speaker 1: travel aspects of it two and when they're hitting certain teams.

482
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Speaker 1: But my gut tells me it's an under on this one.

483
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Speaker 1: I feel like this is more of a seven win

484
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Speaker 1: team than a nine win team because of what you said,

485
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Speaker 1: which is Aaron Rodgers' ability stay healthy and play the

486
00:20:49,320 --> 00:20:51,679
Speaker 1: whole season, which I think is fictitious. I would be

487
00:20:51,760 --> 00:20:54,800
Speaker 1: very surprised if you play seventeen games, I'd be shocked.

488
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Speaker 3: Well, I like the point that you made, Joe about

489
00:20:56,880 --> 00:21:01,000
Speaker 3: how this team is just begging to tank for a year.

490
00:21:01,280 --> 00:21:01,919
Speaker 3: Just start your out.

491
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Speaker 1: I think you a fan base is begging them to do.

492
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Speaker 1: They're mature. I just spent a week in Pittsburgh. They're

493
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Speaker 1: amazing people.

494
00:21:09,520 --> 00:21:10,000
Speaker 2: They get it.

495
00:21:10,040 --> 00:21:13,920
Speaker 1: They're smart football fans. They desperately want to move forward here,

496
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Speaker 1: and I feel like they're on the hamster wheel Andrew

497
00:21:17,160 --> 00:21:18,560
Speaker 1: are just like the same thing over and over and

498
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Speaker 1: over again. I just I feel bad for them in

499
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Speaker 1: a way.

500
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Speaker 2: Never Mind, I just looked at their schedule again. I'm

501
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Speaker 2: taking the under. Forget it, No, I'm taking the under,

502
00:21:28,359 --> 00:21:30,480
Speaker 2: all right. I just don't see where the wins are

503
00:21:30,520 --> 00:21:33,040
Speaker 2: going to come here, guys like you got two games

504
00:21:33,040 --> 00:21:34,080
Speaker 2: against the Botto.

505
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Speaker 1: This has to do with where the Browns look like

506
00:21:35,600 --> 00:21:37,720
Speaker 1: this year too for me, because like you can't always Yeah,

507
00:21:37,840 --> 00:21:41,160
Speaker 1: the Browns are competitive defensively, and if if they take

508
00:21:41,200 --> 00:21:43,119
Speaker 1: to this other head coach and all of a sudden

509
00:21:43,119 --> 00:21:45,200
Speaker 1: they get that you know, dead coach balance in Cleveland

510
00:21:45,560 --> 00:21:47,159
Speaker 1: and they become a little bit more of a handful

511
00:21:47,200 --> 00:21:49,520
Speaker 1: that could be a problem for the Steelers as well.

512
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Speaker 2: The other part about this like even there they're out

513
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Speaker 2: of division, their division's tough. They're out of division games

514
00:21:55,240 --> 00:22:01,399
Speaker 2: they're playing the Patriots, the Buccaneers, the Eagles, Broncos, the Texans,

515
00:22:01,440 --> 00:22:06,879
Speaker 2: the Jaguars, Carolina Tennessee. Like that's that's tough. I'm feeling

516
00:22:06,880 --> 00:22:07,879
Speaker 2: like I forget it now.

517
00:22:07,880 --> 00:22:10,520
Speaker 3: I'm feeling more like I think it will win.

518
00:22:10,760 --> 00:22:12,160
Speaker 2: To tell you the truth, I think it's seven.

519
00:22:12,440 --> 00:22:13,640
Speaker 1: I think it's one of these like by the skin

520
00:22:13,680 --> 00:22:15,800
Speaker 1: your teeth unders so maybe you want to stay I'm

521
00:22:16,000 --> 00:22:16,560
Speaker 1: away from it.

522
00:22:16,600 --> 00:22:19,720
Speaker 3: But the Tomlin voodoo magic, though, is gone. So I

523
00:22:19,760 --> 00:22:22,240
Speaker 3: guess I'm like under this, under this impression that this

524
00:22:22,359 --> 00:22:24,040
Speaker 3: team is going to be around eight to nine wins

525
00:22:24,040 --> 00:22:26,600
Speaker 3: because that's what the Steelers do every single year. But

526
00:22:26,640 --> 00:22:28,600
Speaker 3: Mike Tomlin's no longer the head coach. So these games

527
00:22:28,600 --> 00:22:30,480
Speaker 3: that they're supposed to lose that they end up winning,

528
00:22:30,840 --> 00:22:32,679
Speaker 3: what actually happens in those games? Do they just end

529
00:22:32,760 --> 00:22:36,320
Speaker 3: up losing all of those games and we'll sneaking out wins.

530
00:22:36,640 --> 00:22:39,199
Speaker 3: And to you guys' point, like if I want to

531
00:22:39,200 --> 00:22:41,240
Speaker 3: bet on oh, is it going to be a double

532
00:22:41,280 --> 00:22:44,639
Speaker 3: digit win season for the Steelers or five wins. I

533
00:22:44,640 --> 00:22:46,840
Speaker 3: think I'm leaning towards that. What are the odds for

534
00:22:46,880 --> 00:22:49,000
Speaker 3: them to finish in the last place in the division.

535
00:22:49,359 --> 00:22:51,000
Speaker 3: Like that's kind of where I'm starting to get more

536
00:22:51,000 --> 00:22:53,800
Speaker 3: interested in taking long shots with the Steelers, where I

537
00:22:53,960 --> 00:22:55,959
Speaker 3: have to bet against Aaron Rodgers and Jural Are, Like,

538
00:22:56,040 --> 00:22:58,000
Speaker 3: that's what I'm doing here, Like, that's a bet. I

539
00:22:58,040 --> 00:23:00,159
Speaker 3: feel like I want to get behind potentially.

540
00:23:00,400 --> 00:23:03,040
Speaker 2: To your point, if Rogers misses any time or if

541
00:23:03,040 --> 00:23:05,760
Speaker 2: he goes out, we're all saying this is like probably

542
00:23:05,800 --> 00:23:06,880
Speaker 2: like a four or five team.

543
00:23:06,880 --> 00:23:09,480
Speaker 1: I think it's generous possibly. All right, let's talk about

544
00:23:09,480 --> 00:23:11,840
Speaker 1: the team. I know you guys love the Cincinnati Bengals.

545
00:23:11,880 --> 00:23:14,440
Speaker 1: All right, so we've talked a lot about Joe Burrow. Well,

546
00:23:14,520 --> 00:23:18,280
Speaker 1: we'll talk about that. I haven't talked about the Bengals.

547
00:23:18,320 --> 00:23:20,280
Speaker 1: Let's move on to the Ravens. Now, let's talk about

548
00:23:20,840 --> 00:23:22,639
Speaker 1: Let's talk for a second.

549
00:23:23,400 --> 00:23:24,600
Speaker 2: Who I enjoy.

550
00:23:25,400 --> 00:23:27,760
Speaker 1: Everybody knows big Joe Burrow fan, big Jamar Chase fan.

551
00:23:28,160 --> 00:23:30,520
Speaker 2: Love. Those guys can't get enough Daniel Jones.

552
00:23:30,560 --> 00:23:31,600
Speaker 3: But that's fine.

553
00:23:32,160 --> 00:23:34,120
Speaker 1: Love anyone as much as da Daane Jones needs love.

554
00:23:34,160 --> 00:23:37,040
Speaker 1: Joe Burrow gets plenty. Okay, Joe Burrows out there. The

555
00:23:37,080 --> 00:23:39,520
Speaker 1: ladies love Joe Burrow. Joe Burt doesn't need us, Okay,

556
00:23:39,800 --> 00:23:41,160
Speaker 1: I can tell you, and that's why I love about

557
00:23:41,200 --> 00:23:43,600
Speaker 1: him the most. I will talk about the defense because

558
00:23:43,680 --> 00:23:46,480
Speaker 1: last year they missed a league high one hundred and

559
00:23:46,480 --> 00:23:50,840
Speaker 1: seventy tackles last year, one hundred and let that number

560
00:23:50,920 --> 00:23:54,440
Speaker 1: sink in everybody, one hundred and seventy tackle. So Duke

561
00:23:54,960 --> 00:24:00,000
Speaker 1: Tobin is the guy to overhaul this uh leaky run defense,

562
00:24:00,160 --> 00:24:02,600
Speaker 1: to say the least. Let's talk about Ken the Bengals

563
00:24:02,640 --> 00:24:05,720
Speaker 1: finally figure things out defensively. I know they made a

564
00:24:05,720 --> 00:24:07,960
Speaker 1: big trade in the off season with the Giants Andrew

565
00:24:08,000 --> 00:24:10,800
Speaker 1: do you think that that's enough here? What they've done

566
00:24:10,840 --> 00:24:13,360
Speaker 1: in this offseason to remake a defense that was basically

567
00:24:13,440 --> 00:24:14,400
Speaker 1: a joke last.

568
00:24:14,200 --> 00:24:16,800
Speaker 3: Year one undred percent on ten percent, one hundred and

569
00:24:16,840 --> 00:24:21,480
Speaker 3: twenty percent. Dexter Lawrence being the stalworth of that defensive interior,

570
00:24:21,840 --> 00:24:24,480
Speaker 3: he makes everybody around him better. In my opinion, I

571
00:24:24,480 --> 00:24:26,640
Speaker 3: think that you look at this defensive line, it's totally

572
00:24:26,680 --> 00:24:29,320
Speaker 3: revamped from the unit last year and something that I've

573
00:24:29,320 --> 00:24:32,120
Speaker 3: been thinking about from a real life perspective. When guys

574
00:24:32,160 --> 00:24:35,439
Speaker 3: are missing tackles, I think that's more of an effort

575
00:24:35,480 --> 00:24:37,959
Speaker 3: issue than an actual Oh, I don't know how to tackle.

576
00:24:38,280 --> 00:24:40,920
Speaker 3: When you know that your offense sucks and you can't

577
00:24:40,920 --> 00:24:43,160
Speaker 3: score and you're gonna give up points every single time

578
00:24:43,160 --> 00:24:45,560
Speaker 3: the other posing offense takes the field, I think that's

579
00:24:45,800 --> 00:24:48,560
Speaker 3: really demoralizing for a defense. So I think that that

580
00:24:48,680 --> 00:24:50,520
Speaker 3: was contributing to the fact that they missed so many

581
00:24:50,520 --> 00:24:53,160
Speaker 3: tackles because they're like, what's the point we have Jake

582
00:24:53,200 --> 00:24:55,960
Speaker 3: Browning throwing pick six after pick six. Whatever we do,

583
00:24:56,000 --> 00:24:56,600
Speaker 3: it's not going to make it.

584
00:24:56,640 --> 00:24:58,040
Speaker 2: Ana. I think that's coaching.

585
00:24:58,119 --> 00:24:59,800
Speaker 1: Effort is about coaching.

586
00:25:00,160 --> 00:25:02,000
Speaker 3: But I think that's still part of it.

587
00:25:02,200 --> 00:25:05,280
Speaker 2: I mean, technique also said, I mean I think.

588
00:25:05,080 --> 00:25:07,080
Speaker 3: That in the end of the season, when guys are

589
00:25:07,080 --> 00:25:09,320
Speaker 3: banged up and tired, that they make business decisions. They're like,

590
00:25:09,800 --> 00:25:11,280
Speaker 3: I'm not gonna try to tackle this guy.

591
00:25:11,720 --> 00:25:14,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, but you know what one hundred and seventy that

592
00:25:14,000 --> 00:25:16,919
Speaker 1: that doesn't show up, and that's not Week seventeen eighteen,

593
00:25:17,280 --> 00:25:18,960
Speaker 1: and in fact, the Bengals played better in those weeks

594
00:25:19,000 --> 00:25:21,240
Speaker 1: towards the end. My question too, is, Deebro, how do

595
00:25:21,240 --> 00:25:24,480
Speaker 1: they replace Trey Hendrickson's rushing in the quarterback because that

596
00:25:24,640 --> 00:25:25,760
Speaker 1: is that's I mean, he.

597
00:25:25,720 --> 00:25:27,880
Speaker 3: Was barely how many should he even play?

598
00:25:27,960 --> 00:25:28,400
Speaker 1: Last year?

599
00:25:28,440 --> 00:25:29,520
Speaker 3: He was checked out.

600
00:25:29,720 --> 00:25:33,280
Speaker 1: That was also a big problem with the basically speaking,

601
00:25:33,320 --> 00:25:35,520
Speaker 1: he's been that one kind of shining light there.

602
00:25:36,960 --> 00:25:39,200
Speaker 2: They've they've already done that though guys like they signed

603
00:25:39,240 --> 00:25:42,520
Speaker 2: boy Mafe, they brought in Jonathan Allen, and they drafted

604
00:25:42,560 --> 00:25:45,960
Speaker 2: cash A's how and on top of that whole heap

605
00:25:46,480 --> 00:25:48,760
Speaker 2: whatever you get out of Shamar Stewart even as like

606
00:25:48,800 --> 00:25:53,200
Speaker 2: an opportunistic pass rusher like, okay, kudos. They've remade the

607
00:25:53,280 --> 00:25:56,479
Speaker 2: D line, and I would be very curious of what

608
00:25:56,520 --> 00:25:59,720
Speaker 2: the breakdown is of all those miss tackles and how

609
00:25:59,720 --> 00:26:03,120
Speaker 2: many of those were on just strictly their linebacking corps

610
00:26:03,359 --> 00:26:08,920
Speaker 2: ran linebackers. They yes, but again now they have another

611
00:26:09,000 --> 00:26:12,760
Speaker 2: year of seasoning. I think the secondary, adding Brian Cook,

612
00:26:12,800 --> 00:26:15,480
Speaker 2: can be better. Yeah. I think this is a middle

613
00:26:15,640 --> 00:26:18,720
Speaker 2: road defense with the chance if their D line all

614
00:26:18,760 --> 00:26:20,760
Speaker 2: comes together this year to be a top twelve unit.

615
00:26:20,800 --> 00:26:22,640
Speaker 1: All right, so looking at them to win the Super

616
00:26:22,680 --> 00:26:24,600
Speaker 1: Bowl plus twenty five hundred, which I assume you both

617
00:26:24,600 --> 00:26:30,200
Speaker 1: have already bet conference went on plus twelve hundred. Interesting,

618
00:26:30,600 --> 00:26:31,560
Speaker 1: you want to sprinkle on it.

619
00:26:31,640 --> 00:26:32,480
Speaker 2: I'm not mad at it.

620
00:26:32,920 --> 00:26:35,399
Speaker 1: Division winner plus two ten? This one, actually I like.

621
00:26:35,920 --> 00:26:37,800
Speaker 1: I like this straight up two to one to win

622
00:26:37,840 --> 00:26:39,840
Speaker 1: a division. I think is really interesting to make the

623
00:26:39,840 --> 00:26:42,720
Speaker 1: playoffs minus one fifty eight, yes, plus one thirty seven no,

624
00:26:42,960 --> 00:26:45,119
Speaker 1: So again, I think we all think this is a

625
00:26:45,119 --> 00:26:47,359
Speaker 1: playoff team. Now, what do you think the win total is?

626
00:26:47,359 --> 00:26:49,080
Speaker 2: Here? Boys, you want to want to venture a guess

627
00:26:49,119 --> 00:26:53,960
Speaker 2: what that number is? If the playoff line is steamed already,

628
00:26:54,880 --> 00:26:57,480
Speaker 2: I'm guessing it's going to be ten and a half.

629
00:26:57,480 --> 00:26:59,399
Speaker 1: It is nine and a half right now on Petting

630
00:26:59,400 --> 00:27:01,720
Speaker 1: pros you can get nine and a half, which means

631
00:27:01,760 --> 00:27:04,120
Speaker 1: I agree. I think we all think they're a ten

632
00:27:04,160 --> 00:27:06,600
Speaker 1: win team. Take the over, right, what's the over?

633
00:27:06,720 --> 00:27:07,200
Speaker 2: Over is?

634
00:27:07,240 --> 00:27:08,720
Speaker 1: That is like minus one twenty.

635
00:27:08,760 --> 00:27:11,920
Speaker 2: It's not ridiculous. Oh that's mad. I was gonna say,

636
00:27:11,920 --> 00:27:17,120
Speaker 2: are we at like minus one fifteen on the nine

637
00:27:17,119 --> 00:27:18,240
Speaker 2: and a half? So done?

638
00:27:18,600 --> 00:27:19,879
Speaker 1: If we think they're a ten win team, and I

639
00:27:19,920 --> 00:27:22,199
Speaker 1: think all three of us do. Even if they have

640
00:27:22,280 --> 00:27:24,280
Speaker 1: some Bengals weird luck, they have to get off the

641
00:27:24,320 --> 00:27:26,560
Speaker 1: good starts. I know, like that's been historically a problem.

642
00:27:26,600 --> 00:27:28,879
Speaker 1: I know last year they tried to correct that and

643
00:27:29,119 --> 00:27:30,800
Speaker 1: they did and then they had it for two weeks,

644
00:27:30,760 --> 00:27:34,119
Speaker 1: the good start, and then they had an awful middle

645
00:27:34,160 --> 00:27:36,320
Speaker 1: for about I don't know, fourteen games, and then it

646
00:27:36,359 --> 00:27:38,320
Speaker 1: was a great finish. But you gotta do a little

647
00:27:38,320 --> 00:27:40,040
Speaker 1: bit more in between, a little bit more.

648
00:27:40,320 --> 00:27:43,680
Speaker 2: That's also a market inefficiency guys too. Like we're all

649
00:27:43,720 --> 00:27:46,160
Speaker 2: saying that, like they need ten or eleven wins probably

650
00:27:46,200 --> 00:27:49,560
Speaker 2: to get into the playoffs, and that that's basically what

651
00:27:49,600 --> 00:27:52,159
Speaker 2: they're their odds to make the playoffs are telling you,

652
00:27:52,200 --> 00:27:53,720
Speaker 2: But it's not matching their win total.

653
00:27:54,119 --> 00:27:55,840
Speaker 1: All right, before we get to the next team here,

654
00:27:55,840 --> 00:27:57,639
Speaker 1: don't forget. We're going to way free stuff. You're Jamar

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Speaker 1: that could go wrong last year for the Ravens went wrong.

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Speaker 1: here you have jesse Mentor taking over. So every time,

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Speaker 1: this is always what happens in the NFL, right guys,

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Speaker 1: You go from well, yeah, an offensive coach and then

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Speaker 1: also have to look at what the offense is going

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Speaker 1: to be here. Will it be a little bit more modernized? Potentially?

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00:29:36,720 --> 00:29:39,400
Speaker 1: Declan Doyle is a new OC. So Deebro, talk to

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Speaker 1: me about Lamar Jackson with this new OC, with his

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Speaker 1: new head coach. Where we think things are going to

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Speaker 1: go here for the Ravens, who still on paper have

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Speaker 1: a very talented roster. Let's be honest.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, still on paper, they have a talented roster. I

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Speaker 2: think it just depends on where which version of Lamar

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Speaker 2: Jackson we get this year? Is it the motivated blet

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00:29:59,200 --> 00:30:03,520
Speaker 2: Lamar Jackson? It is this the beginning was last year,

704
00:30:03,560 --> 00:30:08,160
Speaker 2: the beginning of the decline. That's my only that's my

705
00:30:08,280 --> 00:30:10,960
Speaker 2: only worry about this team, like I think the defense

706
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Speaker 2: is obviously going to be improved with the coaching change,

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Speaker 2: and honestly, you can talk about health, you can talk

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00:30:17,160 --> 00:30:19,160
Speaker 2: about personnel, all those types of things. I think the

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Speaker 2: defense will be better. I also have hope for the

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Speaker 2: offense because in the draft class, they gave him more

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Speaker 2: pass catchers, like drafting Matthew Hibner, drafting Elijah Surratt, Like

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Speaker 2: getting these guys that can add something where they're not

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Speaker 2: having to start like freaking devontees Walker now again going

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Speaker 2: to back to what does he have left in the tank?

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Speaker 2: Mark Andrews. He's going to be asked to play a

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Speaker 2: pivotal role, if not being the number two pass catcher

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Speaker 2: on the offense, maybe being the number one pass catch

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Speaker 2: on the offense next to Z eight Flowers. So how

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Speaker 2: all that looks, I'm more positive than I am negative

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Speaker 2: about that. My biggest concern about Baltimore is have we

721
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Speaker 2: already started to see the decline of Lamar Jackson and

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Speaker 2: what does this offensive line look like. My biggest question

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Speaker 2: about this team, especially for a team that is so

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Speaker 2: run centric, run heavy, if they cannot impose their will

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Speaker 2: on the ground and be efficient on the ground as

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Speaker 2: a rushing team. What does that look like?

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Speaker 1: I think it's the lender bound loss is a big one.

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00:31:22,400 --> 00:31:24,760
Speaker 2: I think we all agree on that their interior offensive

729
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Speaker 2: line outside of Aoni is not right, so that matters,

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Speaker 2: and he's a rookie.

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Speaker 1: Ericson, Let's talk about this because it does feel like

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Speaker 1: this team will evan follow basically upon Lamar Jackson's health

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Speaker 1: and performance. I mean most teams will depending on when

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Speaker 1: their quarterbacks health and performance, but this one is even

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Speaker 1: more so. Now, maybe there's an extra motivation here. Maybe again,

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Speaker 1: new is a good thing here.

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Speaker 2: Whereas a fresh star.

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Speaker 1: It's a fresh start for every team in this division

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Speaker 1: except one, right, which is also fascinating. How often does

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Speaker 1: that happen in division where you get three of the

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Speaker 1: four teams firing their head coach. I mean, it's just

742
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Speaker 1: it's an oddity and happened in the NFL very often.

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Speaker 2: And the one that stayed was the one that we

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Speaker 2: all kind of thought was gonna be the first yet

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Speaker 2: but he was not like Zach Taylor.

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Speaker 1: God, I mean that's the bank was like no, no.

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Speaker 3: No, I mean Zach Taylor, look man, losing Burrow last year,

748
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Speaker 3: going to Brownie, but then immediately figuring out, okay, like

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Speaker 1: I still can't that. I still you know what Mike

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Speaker 1: tom My tom Onin did nail that. He's like, so

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Speaker 1: we're helping out teams in our own division, now, is

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Speaker 1: that what we're doing? Like you could you imagine like

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Speaker 1: his reaction when that phone alert came through, because you

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Speaker 1: know that's probably how he found out too write there's

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Speaker 1: no like inside dope that got passed around there and

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Speaker 1: n uh he was. He was on his phone at

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Speaker 1: some practice. He's on the treadmill or whatever, he's on

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Speaker 1: What oh my god, speak.

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Speaker 2: Speaking of that not not just real quickly, who would

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Speaker 2: you rather starting for your NFL team right now at

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Speaker 2: this stage of their career?

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Speaker 1: Joe Flacco or Joe It's not even it's zero chero

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Speaker 1: on that one at this stage. And I'm not saying

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Speaker 1: no take a breath. It's all of you people who

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Speaker 1: more than riling up the Packer twitter base about something.

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Speaker 1: They get so upset about things whenever you even.

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Speaker 2: Is this just an extension of you riling up FITSI

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Speaker 2: on a daily base. Yeah, kinda.

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Speaker 1: It's a little bit. Yeah, it's fun. It's fun. All right, ya,

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Speaker 1: you're go ahead talk to me. hYP healp Baltimarre, Gohad.

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Speaker 3: I'm more concerns and question marks about their offense compared

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Speaker 3: to someone like Cincinnati, where you just feel like they're

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Speaker 3: gonna absolutely cook no matter what, and you have health

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Speaker 3: question marks with both quarterbacks. I think it feel top

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Speaker 3: feel about Okay, Zave Flowers is going to miss a

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Speaker 3: month with the high ankle sprain. How we feel about

784
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Speaker 3: this offense? Passing wise? Not great? Like a lot of

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Speaker 3: question marks about well can Mark Andrews? How much does

786
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Speaker 3: he have less in the tank? I think losing out

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Speaker 3: in Isaiah likely is a big miss for the Ravens

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Speaker 3: this offseason.

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Speaker 1: It was a weird decision to extend Mark Andrews and

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Speaker 1: let go of say.

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Speaker 3: Likely It was very much that Isaiah like obviously going

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Speaker 3: an All Pro player, and clearly that's why he brought

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Speaker 3: him to New York with him. But from a Ravens standpoint,

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Speaker 3: why they didn't sign him to an extension instead doing

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Speaker 3: the Andrews Yeah, it was really bizarre, especially with a

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Speaker 3: player that had flashed a ton of upside and was

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Speaker 3: probably going to get extended, but then he got hurt

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Speaker 3: at the beginning of last season, missed the first part

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Speaker 3: of the of the year, and just had weird turnouts.

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Speaker 3: With how many touchdowns Isaiah likely scored, it didn't count

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Speaker 3: last year. Well, he has this big play and then no,

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Speaker 3: he's out about.

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Speaker 2: At least two. There's definitely two across the end zone.

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Speaker 2: But that wasn't that.

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Speaker 1: I remembered two specifically to Andrews point, but there might

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Speaker 1: have been other ones around the year, but there's definitely

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Speaker 1: two for sure I remember too.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, so he he ran pretty poor last year when

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Speaker 3: it came to actually finding the end zone. I would

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Speaker 3: On the positive side, though, Lamar Jackson seems very invested

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Speaker 3: in this new offense. Seems like they've talked about him

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Speaker 3: stepping up more as a leader in this offseason program

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Speaker 3: where traditionally, and I don't want to get into the

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Speaker 3: news cycle when they talk about, well, Lamar Jackson is

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Speaker 3: not at OTAs does he care about his team this year?

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Speaker 3: It's like, guys, he cares about his team. He's an

819
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Speaker 3: NFL quarterback. He doesn't have to always be at OTAs.

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Speaker 3: It's voluntary for a reason. But he does seem like

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Speaker 3: he's at a little bit more interested and invested because

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Speaker 3: of his a new offense that's being installed, a new

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Speaker 3: head coach, and jesse Mincher has been praising him.

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Speaker 2: He's a new contract, needs in contract.

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Speaker 3: So I could see the scenario where Lamar just gets

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Speaker 3: back to MVP level caliber. I could also see this

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Speaker 3: being last year he's a Ravens quarterback and that it

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Speaker 3: doesn't work and he goes somewhere else and finishes out

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Speaker 3: the second half of his career wearing a different uniform.

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Speaker 1: All right, let's talk about what Vegas thinks about the

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Speaker 1: Baltimore Ravens. Okay, because Vegas is more bullish than you, guys.

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Speaker 1: They're a little bit more closer to where I am.

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Speaker 1: And I understand why. I mean, it's two years remove,

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Speaker 1: not even a he removed from Lamar Jackson MVP, so

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Speaker 1: again plus eleven hundred.

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Speaker 2: But we also saw them fall upont.

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Speaker 1: No, I know, but that was health and you know what,

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Speaker 1: he still came back and played and he was not

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Speaker 1: eating more close to healthy, and they still almost kind

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Speaker 1: of became relevant again. You know, he was just like

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Speaker 1: he was not a healthy quarterback last year. The biggest

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Speaker 1: question for me if the Ravens is is this the

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Speaker 1: year that Dereck Henry slows down? That is the thing

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Speaker 1: to me, the Lamar Jackson thing enough questions about it's

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Speaker 1: the Derrick Henry is this it? Is it coming now?

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Speaker 1: I don't think it is, But that to me would

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Speaker 1: be the death knell of the Ravens. That's the thing

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Speaker 1: they can.

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Speaker 2: Defend on Derrick Henry over Lamar Jackson ten times out

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Speaker 2: of ten.

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00:36:37,480 --> 00:36:39,480
Speaker 1: And I understand why, and I think that's okay. But

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00:36:39,600 --> 00:36:44,520
Speaker 1: my point is if injury or bad performance befell Derrick Henry,

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00:36:44,560 --> 00:36:46,520
Speaker 1: this running back room is not deep enough to recover

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00:36:46,560 --> 00:36:49,279
Speaker 1: from that, So that that to me is the death

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00:36:49,320 --> 00:36:51,600
Speaker 1: knell of the Ravens. It's not so much the season.

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00:36:51,760 --> 00:36:54,680
Speaker 1: You know, Lamar I still think will be okay. But

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Speaker 1: if Derrick Henry is not, I don't know what that

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00:36:57,000 --> 00:37:00,520
Speaker 1: leaves Lamar to do, and I think that's problematic. Super

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Speaker 1: Bowl winner plus eleven hundred for the Ravens. I think

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Speaker 1: I got it last year plus seven hundred. That's why

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00:37:06,200 --> 00:37:07,799
Speaker 1: I was like, I was like, oh, this is great.

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00:37:07,960 --> 00:37:09,920
Speaker 1: I think they said maybe it was nine. Maybe it

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Speaker 1: was nine hundred. I got it last year. Now, Conference

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Speaker 1: winner plus five hundred. Anybody interested? Ravens win the conference

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Speaker 1: al right, Division winner minus one fifteen. They're still the

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Speaker 1: favorite for the hell I.

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Speaker 3: Want, I want the Bengals have better odds than Ravens.

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Speaker 3: I think the neck and neck between these two teams

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Speaker 3: at the top, I think it's just clear to go

870
00:37:30,320 --> 00:37:32,840
Speaker 3: with the better value, which is the Cincinnati Bengals.

871
00:37:32,920 --> 00:37:35,800
Speaker 1: Well, look, they're slammed dunking the Ravens to make the

872
00:37:35,800 --> 00:37:38,440
Speaker 1: playoffs and minus three forty there's some heavy ass juice.

873
00:37:38,920 --> 00:37:43,040
Speaker 1: But but sounds like YouTube might be interested in the latter,

874
00:37:43,440 --> 00:37:45,200
Speaker 1: which is the.

875
00:37:45,320 --> 00:37:47,480
Speaker 2: No of plus two eighty.

876
00:37:47,239 --> 00:37:55,400
Speaker 3: Five will be a wild card team. So it's a

877
00:37:55,400 --> 00:37:56,680
Speaker 3: tricky one's interesting.

878
00:37:58,000 --> 00:38:00,120
Speaker 2: I feel like, we could probably get that number up

879
00:38:00,120 --> 00:38:02,719
Speaker 2: in the like the plus three hundreds whenever training camp

880
00:38:02,760 --> 00:38:04,799
Speaker 2: starts and things like that, so I'll probably like, if

881
00:38:04,800 --> 00:38:05,399
Speaker 2: I want to bet.

882
00:38:05,320 --> 00:38:06,640
Speaker 1: At So, what do you think the wind total is

883
00:38:06,640 --> 00:38:09,480
Speaker 1: for them? Based on something I have ten and a

884
00:38:09,480 --> 00:38:11,960
Speaker 1: half higher? Bob, it's eleven and a half.

885
00:38:12,239 --> 00:38:16,440
Speaker 3: What that's is that the high what team has a

886
00:38:16,480 --> 00:38:17,759
Speaker 3: higher one or is that tied for the high?

887
00:38:17,960 --> 00:38:19,879
Speaker 1: Well, you'll have to listen to the tailgate the rest

888
00:38:19,880 --> 00:38:22,320
Speaker 1: of the next two weeks to figure that out. We

889
00:38:22,440 --> 00:38:23,439
Speaker 1: got a lot of these shows left.

890
00:38:24,120 --> 00:38:28,600
Speaker 4: Oh that's a professional there what I do for a

891
00:38:28,640 --> 00:38:33,239
Speaker 4: little eleven and a half to stay away for me

892
00:38:33,600 --> 00:38:36,919
Speaker 4: because to me, that's yeah, eleven issue that number.

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00:38:37,320 --> 00:38:38,960
Speaker 1: You know, I think there's a lot of variance with

894
00:38:39,000 --> 00:38:41,160
Speaker 1: the Ravens. I will give you that there is variance.

895
00:38:41,239 --> 00:38:43,799
Speaker 1: I have confidence in them, but I'm not confident at

896
00:38:43,800 --> 00:38:46,600
Speaker 1: the point where I'm ignoring the variants plus one twenty

897
00:38:46,640 --> 00:38:49,640
Speaker 1: six for the over, minus one thirty for the eleven

898
00:38:49,640 --> 00:38:52,000
Speaker 1: and a half under, which leads me to believe that

899
00:38:52,120 --> 00:38:55,800
Speaker 1: Vegas also has that quote unquote range of outcomes concerned

900
00:38:55,800 --> 00:38:58,359
Speaker 1: about the Ravens because when the JEWS is minus one third,

901
00:38:58,360 --> 00:39:01,960
Speaker 1: it's not minus one ten or why is one fourteen?

902
00:39:02,600 --> 00:39:05,799
Speaker 1: Mine is one thirty? There where they're like, you know,

903
00:39:05,880 --> 00:39:08,360
Speaker 1: it's just like just maybe just.

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Speaker 2: Just baiting you. Yeah, they're begging you to bet that over.

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Speaker 1: you what the juice that this might be eleven is

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Speaker 1: a max, like the max might be eleven for them,

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Speaker 2: Who knows?

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Speaker 1: Are they the least?

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Speaker 2: Are they not?

946
00:40:52,520 --> 00:40:55,400
Speaker 1: The Cleveland Browns. Now, I read something really interesting today

947
00:40:55,880 --> 00:40:59,359
Speaker 1: that I'm gonna try to say this with a straight face,

948
00:40:59,400 --> 00:41:02,640
Speaker 1: but I don't know if I can. I'm gonna compose myself, okay.

949
00:41:03,480 --> 00:41:09,120
Speaker 1: Deshaun Watson said that he's very excited about this new

950
00:41:09,160 --> 00:41:12,560
Speaker 1: offense and the more air raid kind of style of

951
00:41:12,640 --> 00:41:14,600
Speaker 1: it and how things are going to open up, and

952
00:41:14,640 --> 00:41:17,440
Speaker 1: he thinks that he can have a good season, and

953
00:41:17,480 --> 00:41:21,680
Speaker 1: he also thinks that it's possible that he could parlay

954
00:41:21,760 --> 00:41:24,640
Speaker 1: that into an extension with the Cleveland Browns. And and

955
00:41:24,680 --> 00:41:27,759
Speaker 1: I tried very hard not to fall off the bike

956
00:41:27,840 --> 00:41:30,319
Speaker 1: I was riding this morning when I read that, And

957
00:41:30,360 --> 00:41:32,400
Speaker 1: it was a stationary bike, which is really hard to

958
00:41:32,400 --> 00:41:38,640
Speaker 1: fall off of. And I tried my hardest.

959
00:41:40,520 --> 00:41:44,160
Speaker 2: Joe heard that any like legit just vaulted over the hand.

960
00:41:44,200 --> 00:41:46,160
Speaker 2: I can't, I mean, you can't make this stuff up.

961
00:41:46,800 --> 00:41:48,359
Speaker 2: The Pelton instruction was like.

962
00:41:50,560 --> 00:41:53,120
Speaker 1: I mean, hey, look at least it's got the right

963
00:41:53,160 --> 00:41:55,800
Speaker 1: frame of mind, right, He's thinking about the future Deshaun Watson.

964
00:41:56,040 --> 00:41:58,360
Speaker 1: I mean, he hasn't played good football in years plural.

965
00:41:58,719 --> 00:42:01,879
Speaker 1: There's a lot of essays at the end of that speak. Look,

966
00:42:01,880 --> 00:42:04,440
Speaker 1: this is really about the quarterback battle first and foremost.

967
00:42:04,520 --> 00:42:06,640
Speaker 1: I believe all three of us believe it should Ar

968
00:42:06,719 --> 00:42:09,120
Speaker 1: Sanders should be the guy to start deep bro, do

969
00:42:09,200 --> 00:42:10,520
Speaker 1: you believe that too? Yes?

970
00:42:11,040 --> 00:42:13,520
Speaker 2: All right, oh hell yes, Like let's talk about it.

971
00:42:13,560 --> 00:42:16,560
Speaker 2: If Watson starts, I don't even understand what the hell

972
00:42:16,640 --> 00:42:19,480
Speaker 2: we're doing here, Like, he's not going to be the

973
00:42:19,480 --> 00:42:22,400
Speaker 2: long and short term answer for your franchise. If he

974
00:42:22,480 --> 00:42:25,280
Speaker 2: wins a lot of games, then you're you're hurting yourself

975
00:42:25,320 --> 00:42:27,960
Speaker 2: in the quarterback marker for the twenty twenty seven NFL Draft.

976
00:42:29,080 --> 00:42:31,480
Speaker 2: I mean, the other thing about it is like, from

977
00:42:31,480 --> 00:42:37,440
Speaker 2: a pr perspective, nobody, not even Browns fans. Nobody wants

978
00:42:37,480 --> 00:42:40,759
Speaker 2: to see Deshaun Watson play football. Nobody, And if they

979
00:42:40,760 --> 00:42:42,120
Speaker 2: tell you they do, they're lying to you.

980
00:42:44,040 --> 00:42:46,560
Speaker 1: Andrew Erickson, would you like to share your thoughts about

981
00:42:46,560 --> 00:42:48,320
Speaker 1: the quarterback battle in Cleveland?

982
00:42:49,200 --> 00:42:51,880
Speaker 3: I think it makes more sense to start should Hear

983
00:42:51,960 --> 00:42:56,759
Speaker 3: Sanders because if he ends up playing well into a

984
00:42:56,840 --> 00:42:59,880
Speaker 3: job between twenty seven, then you have a quarterback on

985
00:43:00,080 --> 00:43:04,160
Speaker 3: rookie salary, a fifth round quarterback on a rookie salary,

986
00:43:04,280 --> 00:43:06,799
Speaker 3: so very very cheap when you're building a lot of

987
00:43:06,880 --> 00:43:10,320
Speaker 3: young talent around this roster. So I think he makes

988
00:43:10,440 --> 00:43:14,480
Speaker 3: the most sense from a futuristic standpoint of the Cleveland Browns,

989
00:43:14,719 --> 00:43:17,879
Speaker 3: I think Deshaun Watson, I think the time is up

990
00:43:18,040 --> 00:43:22,239
Speaker 3: for him where the game has changed dramatically since he

991
00:43:22,320 --> 00:43:24,879
Speaker 3: was good. How different is the NFL passing game now

992
00:43:24,960 --> 00:43:27,240
Speaker 3: than it was when he was good in Houston? However

993
00:43:27,239 --> 00:43:30,600
Speaker 3: many years ago that was. It's totally changed. So although

994
00:43:30,680 --> 00:43:33,879
Speaker 3: Deshaun Watson, we can remember that he was at one

995
00:43:33,920 --> 00:43:37,960
Speaker 3: point a top five real life quarterback, defenses have totally

996
00:43:38,040 --> 00:43:42,480
Speaker 3: changed and adapted to what he did the best, and

997
00:43:43,239 --> 00:43:47,239
Speaker 3: he's been sapped of so much of his athleticism, explosiveness,

998
00:43:47,640 --> 00:43:50,920
Speaker 3: and mental capacity because of everything that has transpired. Again,

999
00:43:51,400 --> 00:43:53,800
Speaker 3: not partly on him, partly not on him because of

1000
00:43:53,840 --> 00:43:56,400
Speaker 3: bad luck with these injuries. But I think that his

1001
00:43:56,840 --> 00:44:00,600
Speaker 3: time is basically up as an NFL quarterback, even if

1002
00:44:00,600 --> 00:44:02,600
Speaker 3: he does start the year, because it seems like that's

1003
00:44:02,640 --> 00:44:05,200
Speaker 3: kind of what the Browns are telling us they want

1004
00:44:05,239 --> 00:44:08,600
Speaker 3: to start Deshaun Watson for I'm not exactly sure what reason.

1005
00:44:09,200 --> 00:44:11,200
Speaker 3: I don't know how long it's going to necessarily last.

1006
00:44:11,200 --> 00:44:13,479
Speaker 3: And I think that the Todd Monkin connection and talking

1007
00:44:13,480 --> 00:44:15,759
Speaker 3: about oh I love this new offense, this is just

1008
00:44:15,840 --> 00:44:19,960
Speaker 3: typical trope may talk right like this is the best

1009
00:44:19,960 --> 00:44:22,719
Speaker 3: shape of my life. I'm running backs, running out of

1010
00:44:22,719 --> 00:44:24,320
Speaker 3: the slot like that's another really talk.

1011
00:44:24,440 --> 00:44:25,520
Speaker 1: Much on Watson?

1012
00:44:25,600 --> 00:44:28,120
Speaker 2: Is news media piller going, there's know how much Shawn

1013
00:44:28,120 --> 00:44:31,359
Speaker 2: Watson's making this year? Too damn much?

1014
00:44:31,840 --> 00:44:34,200
Speaker 3: Well, this is the last year he has any money left?

1015
00:44:34,520 --> 00:44:34,640
Speaker 1: Right?

1016
00:44:35,160 --> 00:44:37,279
Speaker 2: Oh, no, are we talking about cap? Hold on? Hold

1017
00:44:37,360 --> 00:44:37,640
Speaker 2: up cap?

1018
00:44:37,880 --> 00:44:39,520
Speaker 3: I was they get rid of him next year for

1019
00:44:39,560 --> 00:44:40,200
Speaker 3: no penalty?

1020
00:44:40,239 --> 00:44:44,520
Speaker 2: I believe, Yeah, he's gone after that year. He's gone

1021
00:44:44,560 --> 00:44:45,040
Speaker 2: after this year.

1022
00:44:45,120 --> 00:44:48,840
Speaker 1: Right, But yeah, but the cap hit for Deshaun Watson

1023
00:44:48,880 --> 00:44:50,839
Speaker 1: would be forty four million dollars this year.

1024
00:44:51,239 --> 00:44:53,120
Speaker 2: I was gonna say it's in the forties.

1025
00:44:52,840 --> 00:44:54,560
Speaker 3: Right, So I guess if it's tied, they might as

1026
00:44:54,600 --> 00:44:57,120
Speaker 3: well to start him. I guess they're trying to save

1027
00:44:57,200 --> 00:45:01,040
Speaker 3: face when they're they're well, they're accounting, so it's it's

1028
00:45:01,120 --> 00:45:01,520
Speaker 3: it's a.

1029
00:45:01,520 --> 00:45:04,560
Speaker 1: Forty four million dollar capt this year twenty twenty seven

1030
00:45:04,600 --> 00:45:08,720
Speaker 1: will be a thirty four million dollar and then I guess,

1031
00:45:08,760 --> 00:45:10,640
Speaker 1: I guess they can avoid his contract because I see

1032
00:45:10,680 --> 00:45:12,480
Speaker 1: on spont track there's voids that are coming up.

1033
00:45:12,600 --> 00:45:16,120
Speaker 3: No, yeah, get void start last year, he has any

1034
00:45:16,280 --> 00:45:19,040
Speaker 3: guaranteed money, and then he's they can cut him for nothing,

1035
00:45:19,440 --> 00:45:20,520
Speaker 3: I believe, I just.

1036
00:45:20,680 --> 00:45:23,600
Speaker 2: From a from a locker room perspective, why do you

1037
00:45:23,719 --> 00:45:27,800
Speaker 2: want this guy around your facility? Like, especially as a new.

1038
00:45:27,640 --> 00:45:29,520
Speaker 1: Head coach, I just the new head coach, isn't the

1039
00:45:29,520 --> 00:45:31,440
Speaker 1: thing you want the most is a fresh slate, And like,

1040
00:45:31,680 --> 00:45:34,600
Speaker 1: let's get rid of all the distractions, all the chemistry that,

1041
00:45:35,040 --> 00:45:37,440
Speaker 1: all the things that kind of holds down this organization

1042
00:45:37,560 --> 00:45:40,120
Speaker 1: for the last ten years. You want to like scrap

1043
00:45:40,160 --> 00:45:42,880
Speaker 1: all that, which only tells me one thing that the

1044
00:45:42,920 --> 00:45:45,680
Speaker 1: head coach is not sold on Shador Sanders. That's what

1045
00:45:45,719 --> 00:45:48,359
Speaker 1: it tells me, because if they were really truly one

1046
00:45:48,440 --> 00:45:51,839
Speaker 1: hundred percent sold on him, there's no way any coach

1047
00:45:51,880 --> 00:45:53,960
Speaker 1: worth their right mind coming in and say, look, I

1048
00:45:53,960 --> 00:45:55,719
Speaker 1: don't care what it does, I don't care what the

1049
00:45:55,719 --> 00:45:57,879
Speaker 1: situation is. Yeah, he's going to be on the team,

1050
00:45:58,080 --> 00:46:00,840
Speaker 1: but he's not a competition. He's just the backup because

1051
00:46:00,840 --> 00:46:03,239
Speaker 1: we're moving forward. And that's how it's gonna be I

1052
00:46:03,239 --> 00:46:04,400
Speaker 1: don't understand.

1053
00:46:03,960 --> 00:46:06,440
Speaker 2: This whole like or you're trying to motivate him and

1054
00:46:06,480 --> 00:46:08,080
Speaker 2: this is going to be a camp battle, and you

1055
00:46:08,120 --> 00:46:10,560
Speaker 2: want him to earn it like old school coaching. You

1056
00:46:10,600 --> 00:46:13,080
Speaker 2: want him to earn the starting job over the bat.

1057
00:46:13,480 --> 00:46:14,320
Speaker 2: That's the other flip.

1058
00:46:14,440 --> 00:46:17,400
Speaker 3: Do you think that maybe they're just gamifying it and

1059
00:46:17,480 --> 00:46:19,359
Speaker 3: in terms of Deshaun Watson is going to make us

1060
00:46:19,360 --> 00:46:21,960
Speaker 3: lose more games? Like that's really what they're trying to

1061
00:46:21,960 --> 00:46:24,800
Speaker 3: play here, because again the way that we're talking about this,

1062
00:46:24,920 --> 00:46:27,839
Speaker 3: Todd Mounkin probably wants his guy, and it's like, well,

1063
00:46:27,840 --> 00:46:29,799
Speaker 3: I'm stuck with these two guys. We didn't. We had

1064
00:46:29,840 --> 00:46:33,560
Speaker 3: the draft his guy. We had to draft. So it's

1065
00:46:33,600 --> 00:46:36,360
Speaker 3: like in twenty twenty six, we drafted the infrastructure, we

1066
00:46:36,440 --> 00:46:40,439
Speaker 3: went tackle wide receiver, wide receiver. Next year we're taking

1067
00:46:40,440 --> 00:46:42,480
Speaker 3: our quarterback. I don't really care about either of these

1068
00:46:42,480 --> 00:46:44,800
Speaker 3: two guys. Maybe Shoulder Kim be the backup. That's fine.

1069
00:46:44,840 --> 00:46:47,000
Speaker 3: He was a fifth round pick. He flashed enough as

1070
00:46:47,000 --> 00:46:48,880
Speaker 3: a rookie in his second year. And then Deshaun Watson,

1071
00:46:49,160 --> 00:46:52,200
Speaker 3: see ya, you're not getting extensions, so they just play

1072
00:46:52,200 --> 00:46:54,279
Speaker 3: the quarterback. That makes them lose the most games, and

1073
00:46:54,280 --> 00:46:55,320
Speaker 3: maybe that's Shaun Watson.

1074
00:46:55,640 --> 00:46:59,040
Speaker 1: Maybe they did a good job of remaking the offensive

1075
00:46:59,040 --> 00:46:59,480
Speaker 1: line too.

1076
00:46:59,560 --> 00:47:01,520
Speaker 2: I think we can all agree, yes, like Offen.

1077
00:47:02,160 --> 00:47:03,719
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I mean I would.

1078
00:47:04,000 --> 00:47:07,400
Speaker 2: It's in theory. Considering where they were starting from, they

1079
00:47:07,520 --> 00:47:11,200
Speaker 2: did a fantastic job. Now still a crap ton of

1080
00:47:11,239 --> 00:47:13,800
Speaker 2: moving parts, can it? Gel A lot of the players

1081
00:47:13,840 --> 00:47:17,279
Speaker 2: are not You're looking at league average players, not like

1082
00:47:17,440 --> 00:47:20,640
Speaker 2: upper tier players really at any spot. Maybe Spencer, Yeah.

1083
00:47:20,520 --> 00:47:23,120
Speaker 3: Because the thing with they it's all new names, but

1084
00:47:23,120 --> 00:47:25,120
Speaker 3: that doesn't necessarily mean that it's all going to like

1085
00:47:25,160 --> 00:47:26,880
Speaker 3: work on e Xign Johnson was on the worst offensive

1086
00:47:26,880 --> 00:47:29,359
Speaker 3: line last year on the Chargers. Like the Chargers were

1087
00:47:29,360 --> 00:47:32,479
Speaker 3: like bye, like you go Sidne somewhere else. Now, maybe

1088
00:47:32,480 --> 00:47:34,920
Speaker 3: that scheme related. Like Elton Jenkins, he was not good

1089
00:47:34,960 --> 00:47:38,160
Speaker 3: for the Packers last year. Oh come to Cleveland please,

1090
00:47:38,560 --> 00:47:41,160
Speaker 3: So is it it's a lot of new names. Houston

1091
00:47:41,160 --> 00:47:42,759
Speaker 3: did something like this last year too, where they just

1092
00:47:42,800 --> 00:47:44,719
Speaker 3: like gutted everything. And now it was a little bit

1093
00:47:44,719 --> 00:47:46,600
Speaker 3: different because they did get rid of Tunsel, which was

1094
00:47:46,640 --> 00:47:49,600
Speaker 3: obviously a major loss. Yeah that was so that's a

1095
00:47:49,640 --> 00:47:52,319
Speaker 3: little bit different here with Cleveland. So I'm optimistic that

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00:47:52,360 --> 00:47:54,879
Speaker 3: the Browns offensive line can be better. But if you're

1097
00:47:54,920 --> 00:47:58,600
Speaker 3: going from thirty second to twenty sixth, twenty fifth.

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Speaker 1: Well they did sket much like that. That's gonna be

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00:48:01,360 --> 00:48:03,960
Speaker 1: the tough coverage. See, here's't not the tough thing. Like,

1100
00:48:03,960 --> 00:48:05,720
Speaker 1: when you're trying to tank, you have the easiest schedule.

1101
00:48:05,760 --> 00:48:08,880
Speaker 1: It almost feels like, I don't know, you're fighting a

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00:48:08,920 --> 00:48:10,279
Speaker 1: cross battle there a little bit.

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00:48:12,280 --> 00:48:15,040
Speaker 2: Yeah. But the other thing, going back to Erickson's point

1104
00:48:15,120 --> 00:48:17,560
Speaker 2: about like are they just starting Watson to lose games?

1105
00:48:17,880 --> 00:48:20,480
Speaker 2: But I don't think, like I understand the game theory

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00:48:20,480 --> 00:48:23,359
Speaker 2: and and you know, it's a fun conversation for us,

1107
00:48:23,400 --> 00:48:25,680
Speaker 2: but like as a head coach and the reality of

1108
00:48:25,800 --> 00:48:29,080
Speaker 2: like you have to get guys bought in and culture

1109
00:48:29,200 --> 00:48:31,480
Speaker 2: and you gotta win and stuff. Nobody in that locker

1110
00:48:31,560 --> 00:48:34,040
Speaker 2: room wants to just tank and lose. Like all these

1111
00:48:34,040 --> 00:48:36,919
Speaker 2: guys are playing for their jobs for this year, and

1112
00:48:37,560 --> 00:48:39,399
Speaker 2: even if they're not gonna be in Cleveland next year,

1113
00:48:39,440 --> 00:48:41,719
Speaker 2: Like with Watson and stuff like that, it's like he

1114
00:48:41,880 --> 00:48:43,839
Speaker 2: knows that they're like this might be his final chance

1115
00:48:43,880 --> 00:48:47,439
Speaker 2: to put something on film to make another team want

1116
00:48:47,480 --> 00:48:50,399
Speaker 2: to employ him next year. So all these guys are

1117
00:48:50,440 --> 00:48:54,000
Speaker 2: going to be motivated to win because if they just

1118
00:48:54,080 --> 00:48:57,400
Speaker 2: play bad, they're gone or the head coach is gone.

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00:48:57,480 --> 00:49:00,279
Speaker 2: So they're gonna want to win games. Like if they

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Speaker 2: start Shodor Sanders, I think they could surprise as a team.

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00:49:03,040 --> 00:49:05,799
Speaker 2: If they start Deshaun Watson, wrap it all up, screw it,

1122
00:49:05,840 --> 00:49:07,960
Speaker 2: burn it whatever, just move on to twenty feah.

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Speaker 1: Look, in terms of the draft, they did, like I

1124
00:49:09,680 --> 00:49:11,200
Speaker 1: feel like they're kind of setting things up for the

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Speaker 1: future quarterback. I do agree with that, Oh absolutely, Ccepio

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Speaker 1: in Boston offensive line, Like, you know, do you think

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00:49:17,080 --> 00:49:19,480
Speaker 1: Miles Garrett wants to stay there though?

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Speaker 3: Too?

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Speaker 1: Like do you think I know he si had a

1130
00:49:21,320 --> 00:49:23,560
Speaker 1: ton of money last year? Like, I mean some point,

1131
00:49:23,560 --> 00:49:25,719
Speaker 1: do we get like Miles Garrett discontent? I feel like

1132
00:49:25,719 --> 00:49:26,160
Speaker 1: it's coming.

1133
00:49:26,160 --> 00:49:26,520
Speaker 2: He didn't.

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00:49:26,560 --> 00:49:29,319
Speaker 3: I mean I never really know. Is this like I mean,

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00:49:29,360 --> 00:49:31,200
Speaker 3: like he broke the sack record last year, he gets

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00:49:31,239 --> 00:49:33,440
Speaker 3: I mean, the Browns have paid him so much money.

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00:49:33,760 --> 00:49:35,200
Speaker 3: I mean this point, do you think he's just gonna

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00:49:35,200 --> 00:49:37,920
Speaker 3: accept reality that he's probably not gonna win and Cleveland

1139
00:49:38,239 --> 00:49:40,680
Speaker 3: like and maybe he's okay with that. I don't know, Like,

1140
00:49:41,520 --> 00:49:44,320
Speaker 3: but yeah, they seemed like they're another year away from

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00:49:44,520 --> 00:49:45,279
Speaker 3: that quarterback.

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00:49:45,719 --> 00:49:50,960
Speaker 1: What's Miles Garrett contract? Like cooking it up too? So now, okay,

1143
00:49:51,000 --> 00:49:54,680
Speaker 1: so twenty twenty six, here we go, So so twenty

1144
00:49:54,719 --> 00:49:56,960
Speaker 1: twenty six, right now again, do.

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00:49:57,000 --> 00:50:00,560
Speaker 2: You make it more than Watson his cap hit cap

1146
00:50:00,640 --> 00:50:02,080
Speaker 2: hit is no, it's still less than Watts.

1147
00:50:02,160 --> 00:50:05,840
Speaker 1: Is twenty three million, ten million less than Watson for

1148
00:50:05,920 --> 00:50:09,839
Speaker 1: the cap. It just for perspective, like, there is never

1149
00:50:09,960 --> 00:50:13,680
Speaker 1: going to be a contract ever as bad all the

1150
00:50:13,719 --> 00:50:16,879
Speaker 1: time that goes for trade end contract.

1151
00:50:16,680 --> 00:50:18,800
Speaker 2: That goes on the short list of all time worst

1152
00:50:18,880 --> 00:50:20,320
Speaker 2: moves in NFI history.

1153
00:50:20,320 --> 00:50:22,239
Speaker 1: And I don't even I don't think it can be

1154
00:50:22,239 --> 00:50:25,520
Speaker 1: debated that it's the worst move in NFL history, agreed

1155
00:50:25,880 --> 00:50:28,200
Speaker 1: for such a myriad of reasons, because you remember when

1156
00:50:28,239 --> 00:50:31,600
Speaker 1: they acquired him. At the time too, it was still like, hey,

1157
00:50:31,600 --> 00:50:34,640
Speaker 1: the Browns were kind of competitive. People forget like Jacoby

1158
00:50:34,640 --> 00:50:36,960
Speaker 1: Brissett was also once upon a time holding things down

1159
00:50:37,000 --> 00:50:39,200
Speaker 1: for the Cleveland Browns, and every time he had the

1160
00:50:39,239 --> 00:50:42,840
Speaker 1: Deshaun Watson return, everything would just fall apart there and

1161
00:50:42,880 --> 00:50:45,680
Speaker 1: then that the the restraints of the cap because of

1162
00:50:45,719 --> 00:50:49,080
Speaker 1: his salary and all the to give that so much

1163
00:50:49,239 --> 00:50:52,800
Speaker 1: guaranteed money to a guy with so many question marks

1164
00:50:53,080 --> 00:50:56,080
Speaker 1: on and off the field is just I think the

1165
00:50:56,080 --> 00:50:58,920
Speaker 1: rest of the league had to look at that and go, clearly,

1166
00:50:59,719 --> 00:51:02,359
Speaker 1: this organization has no idea what they're doing. Like it's

1167
00:51:02,400 --> 00:51:02,879
Speaker 1: just such bad.

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00:51:02,960 --> 00:51:06,120
Speaker 2: You guys, remember like when that contract happened, there was

1169
00:51:06,160 --> 00:51:09,239
Speaker 2: all to talk about this is gonna like change quarterback contracts,

1170
00:51:09,280 --> 00:51:11,280
Speaker 2: moving into the future and all this kind of stuff,

1171
00:51:11,320 --> 00:51:15,439
Speaker 2: and it's a trend setting contract. And then Watson goes

1172
00:51:15,440 --> 00:51:18,400
Speaker 2: out and he absolutely just craps the bed all the

1173
00:51:18,400 --> 00:51:20,040
Speaker 2: all field stuff and things like that, and the whole

1174
00:51:20,160 --> 00:51:23,439
Speaker 2: NFL is like they're not changing anything. Ain't nobody given

1175
00:51:23,480 --> 00:51:24,960
Speaker 2: that contracts like that everything? Right?

1176
00:51:25,000 --> 00:51:26,600
Speaker 1: I assume you guys don't want the Cleveland Browns to

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00:51:26,600 --> 00:51:28,399
Speaker 1: plus twenty five hundred to win the Super Bowl. Right,

1178
00:51:30,280 --> 00:51:32,600
Speaker 1: by the way, the same odds as the Bengals.

1179
00:51:32,640 --> 00:51:36,440
Speaker 2: I just want to point that out. What what are

1180
00:51:36,560 --> 00:51:37,040
Speaker 2: you serious?

1181
00:51:37,040 --> 00:51:41,120
Speaker 1: Plus right to win the Super Bowl odds you can

1182
00:51:41,120 --> 00:51:43,759
Speaker 1: find is twenty five hundred. Now, there's other places on

1183
00:51:43,880 --> 00:51:46,520
Speaker 1: VP where you can find it different.

1184
00:51:46,560 --> 00:51:47,399
Speaker 2: Its wild, but.

1185
00:51:47,360 --> 00:51:49,960
Speaker 1: I'm saying the quote unquote Festop, you can find.

1186
00:51:49,719 --> 00:51:53,520
Speaker 3: It on the grounds the Sanders Hive.

1187
00:51:54,400 --> 00:51:57,879
Speaker 1: There you go the like even the consensus right now,

1188
00:51:58,400 --> 00:52:00,520
Speaker 1: like you can find it on betting pros plus twenty

1189
00:52:00,560 --> 00:52:03,359
Speaker 1: two hundred for the Bengals, right, you can find plus

1190
00:52:03,360 --> 00:52:06,719
Speaker 1: twenty two hundred. They're all over the place, like I

1191
00:52:06,760 --> 00:52:09,880
Speaker 1: can find. I mean, it's it's pretty crazy.

1192
00:52:10,840 --> 00:52:13,040
Speaker 2: The fact that the Browns are even like sniffing the

1193
00:52:13,080 --> 00:52:14,640
Speaker 2: same similar odds.

1194
00:52:14,360 --> 00:52:17,920
Speaker 1: Is Oh, you know what, No, I'm wrong, I look

1195
00:52:18,000 --> 00:52:20,080
Speaker 1: too fast. It's an extra zero there, it's twenty five thousand.

1196
00:52:21,280 --> 00:52:23,560
Speaker 1: I was like, oh, I got you, I got you,

1197
00:52:23,840 --> 00:52:25,960
Speaker 1: I got you here. Oh I pulled it in.

1198
00:52:26,520 --> 00:52:30,279
Speaker 2: Oh something is yeah.

1199
00:52:31,880 --> 00:52:34,480
Speaker 1: I was like, I just wanted to see your reaction.

1200
00:52:36,600 --> 00:52:39,800
Speaker 3: Plus twenty one zero two zero three zero.

1201
00:52:43,160 --> 00:52:45,560
Speaker 1: I wanted to test your love of like possibly what

1202
00:52:45,640 --> 00:52:47,880
Speaker 1: Cleveland could be? All right, Conference winner plus eight thousand

1203
00:52:47,960 --> 00:52:52,919
Speaker 1: hard pass, yes, okay, Division winner plus eighteen hundred card

1204
00:52:52,960 --> 00:52:56,080
Speaker 1: pass to make the playoffs, plus five hundred to miss

1205
00:52:56,080 --> 00:52:58,600
Speaker 1: the playoffs minus six to fifth hands. I can't see

1206
00:52:58,640 --> 00:53:01,000
Speaker 1: him being a playoff team. Now, here's where the rubber

1207
00:53:01,040 --> 00:53:02,440
Speaker 1: meets the road. What do you think the wind total is?

1208
00:53:02,440 --> 00:53:02,560
Speaker 2: Here?

1209
00:53:02,600 --> 00:53:02,759
Speaker 3: Boys?

1210
00:53:02,800 --> 00:53:05,640
Speaker 2: What would you say that? Six and a half?

1211
00:53:07,880 --> 00:53:10,000
Speaker 1: Six and a half, So I guess ericson you better

1212
00:53:10,080 --> 00:53:12,759
Speaker 1: jump on that under, I'm taking the under. I think

1213
00:53:12,760 --> 00:53:14,879
Speaker 1: minus one forty five for the six and a half under,

1214
00:53:15,200 --> 00:53:16,399
Speaker 1: plus one thirty five for the old.

1215
00:53:16,440 --> 00:53:20,440
Speaker 2: What's the I'm gonna take the over.

1216
00:53:20,880 --> 00:53:23,120
Speaker 1: So basically, you're what you're telling me is you are

1217
00:53:23,120 --> 00:53:25,480
Speaker 1: more confident in the Browns and the Steelers. That's that's

1218
00:53:25,560 --> 00:53:26,799
Speaker 1: what we're learning today, de Bro.

1219
00:53:27,080 --> 00:53:32,120
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, if they start Shugar Sanders, I think this

1220
00:53:32,200 --> 00:53:33,400
Speaker 2: is a seven win team.

1221
00:53:33,480 --> 00:53:35,000
Speaker 3: Do you think you think they are going to start

1222
00:53:35,000 --> 00:53:35,600
Speaker 3: Shooter Sanders?

1223
00:53:35,640 --> 00:53:35,839
Speaker 1: Though?

1224
00:53:36,400 --> 00:53:39,000
Speaker 3: Like? What? What? What in your bones? What do you

1225
00:53:39,040 --> 00:53:41,279
Speaker 3: feel like this dysfunctional team is going.

1226
00:53:41,360 --> 00:53:44,640
Speaker 2: I think he will make He will make starts this year.

1227
00:53:44,640 --> 00:53:48,480
Speaker 2: Now does he start the entire season? Is the push

1228
00:53:48,520 --> 00:53:56,560
Speaker 2: point for me? Okay, guys over under five and a

1229
00:53:56,600 --> 00:53:58,319
Speaker 2: half starts for Sugar Sands this year?

1230
00:53:59,440 --> 00:54:00,959
Speaker 3: I would take it, but again, don't know.

1231
00:54:00,920 --> 00:54:04,239
Speaker 1: When where you sit in the line.

1232
00:54:04,280 --> 00:54:05,239
Speaker 2: Seven and a half, eight and a half.

1233
00:54:05,239 --> 00:54:07,919
Speaker 3: I mean, how many quarterbacks started for the Browns last year?

1234
00:54:10,239 --> 00:54:12,120
Speaker 3: That's what I mean. Like, I honestly would have surprised

1235
00:54:14,520 --> 00:54:16,920
Speaker 3: that guys get banged up. We saw so, I mean,

1236
00:54:16,920 --> 00:54:19,360
Speaker 3: how many quarterbacks started a game last year across the

1237
00:54:19,480 --> 00:54:21,040
Speaker 3: entire NFL? I don't know the exact.

1238
00:54:20,840 --> 00:54:23,280
Speaker 2: Number, but it was all over the sixties.

1239
00:54:23,360 --> 00:54:26,000
Speaker 3: So I think that, I mean, I won't be surprised

1240
00:54:26,000 --> 00:54:27,960
Speaker 3: of Taylor Green is starting in week eighteen for the

1241
00:54:28,000 --> 00:54:30,399
Speaker 3: Cleveland Browns. To be honest, if something just happens, there's

1242
00:54:30,400 --> 00:54:31,960
Speaker 3: an injury and they're just like, hey, let's thor them

1243
00:54:31,960 --> 00:54:33,839
Speaker 3: out here, let's get a better draft pick. I think

1244
00:54:33,880 --> 00:54:36,239
Speaker 3: Taylor Green, let's see what we have in a you know,

1245
00:54:36,360 --> 00:54:38,839
Speaker 3: exciting athletic player. One thing well, note too with the Browns.

1246
00:54:38,880 --> 00:54:41,000
Speaker 3: We didn't mention it, but I wanted to add it.

1247
00:54:41,040 --> 00:54:44,200
Speaker 3: With the Miles Garrett conversation. Jim Schwartz is gone from

1248
00:54:44,239 --> 00:54:47,760
Speaker 3: this defense, one of the best defensive quarters in the NFL.

1249
00:54:47,880 --> 00:54:50,160
Speaker 3: So as good as this Browns defense was last year,

1250
00:54:50,239 --> 00:54:53,080
Speaker 3: keeping them close, keeping them competitive in games, he's out

1251
00:54:53,120 --> 00:54:55,400
Speaker 3: the building because they wouldn't make him head coach and

1252
00:54:55,440 --> 00:54:59,040
Speaker 3: he said, peace, I'm done. So I think that that

1253
00:54:59,239 --> 00:55:02,239
Speaker 3: is going to hurt the Brown's defensively, and maybe my.

1254
00:55:02,320 --> 00:55:05,320
Speaker 2: Brain forty who's their new d c ericson, I don't remember.

1255
00:55:05,640 --> 00:55:08,960
Speaker 3: It's someone that came over from I think Atlanta. I

1256
00:55:08,960 --> 00:55:12,239
Speaker 3: want to say one of the former Atlanta coaches. I

1257
00:55:12,239 --> 00:55:13,920
Speaker 3: believe came over from Cleveland.

1258
00:55:14,400 --> 00:55:14,799
Speaker 2: I'm looking.

1259
00:55:14,840 --> 00:55:16,400
Speaker 3: I think that's what brown ZC is.

1260
00:55:16,440 --> 00:55:25,200
Speaker 1: Mike Ruttenberg from Atlanta, past defensive passing game coordinator. Yeah,

1261
00:55:25,480 --> 00:55:26,800
Speaker 1: so every other Tuesday.

1262
00:55:27,040 --> 00:55:29,840
Speaker 3: At least he wasn't the Atlanta's pass rush person because

1263
00:55:31,239 --> 00:55:33,120
Speaker 3: that has not been good for the majority of has A.

1264
00:55:33,800 --> 00:55:36,160
Speaker 2: Before that, he was the coach of the linebackers for

1265
00:55:36,200 --> 00:55:38,200
Speaker 2: the Jets for about four years.

1266
00:55:38,320 --> 00:55:48,200
Speaker 1: Wonder okay, before you, dare you take a shot at

1267
00:55:48,200 --> 00:55:48,960
Speaker 1: our bald brother?

1268
00:55:49,320 --> 00:55:54,120
Speaker 2: How dare you conser? No? I was, I am sorry,

1269
00:55:54,560 --> 00:55:57,759
Speaker 2: I'm sorry, he is not. I don't know.

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00:55:57,800 --> 00:55:58,560
Speaker 1: Wait, he's in this picture.

1271
00:55:58,560 --> 00:56:02,640
Speaker 2: He's weren't a hat?

1272
00:56:03,239 --> 00:56:05,600
Speaker 1: Nope, nope. He's got hair. It's decent hair too. Got

1273
00:56:05,600 --> 00:56:08,200
Speaker 1: a solid beard too. So that's probably why he's not

1274
00:56:08,239 --> 00:56:10,080
Speaker 1: on the staff. It's a he's got a quote style.

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00:56:10,920 --> 00:56:12,000
Speaker 1: I mean, why would you be on the staff. But

1276
00:56:13,080 --> 00:56:14,879
Speaker 1: I want to be a coordinator. I want a big job,

1277
00:56:14,920 --> 00:56:18,080
Speaker 1: this bigger paycheck. Uh. He's got a player centric approach apparently,

1278
00:56:18,280 --> 00:56:21,880
Speaker 1: where he prioritizes style over scheme, focusing on player effort,

1279
00:56:21,880 --> 00:56:24,520
Speaker 1: physicality and adjusting the playbook to fit the strengths of

1280
00:56:24,560 --> 00:56:24,960
Speaker 1: the roster.

1281
00:56:25,080 --> 00:56:28,399
Speaker 2: Now, that's what in the name of AI.

1282
00:56:28,920 --> 00:56:34,560
Speaker 3: Go tackle that guy, Go hit the quarterback. Would you

1283
00:56:34,600 --> 00:56:37,680
Speaker 3: like to play safety style?

1284
00:56:38,719 --> 00:56:41,160
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Speaker 1: be with us all season long. This is the channel

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Speaker 1: that we've been begging for and they finally gave it

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Speaker 1: to us. So please, if you enjoy the FP stuff

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Speaker 1: and you enjoy our silly banter and our nonsense, please

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Speaker 1: so support the channel. We appreciate all of you and

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Speaker 1: drop your comments. Who's going to start the more games

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Speaker 1: this year for the Browns? Deshaun Watson, Orsha or Sanders

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Speaker 1: go ahead and hit the YouTube comments for you. We

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Speaker 1: gotta get out of here in the parking lot, Saul Full,

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Speaker 1: so we'll see you next time.

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Speaker 2: Kids.

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Speaker 1: This has been the tailgate