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Speaker 2: Hey y'all, it's Sarah Harrelson, your host of the Taking

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Speaker 2: a Walk Nashville podcast. Thank you everyone who has been

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Speaker 2: me here in East Nashville, back at the Russell Podcast

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Speaker 2: Studio in the Russell Hotel, I have with me Skip Ewing.

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Speaker 2: A natural born storyteller, His gift for vivid soundcraft and

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Speaker 2: true to life human connection made him a chart topping

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Speaker 2: six top twenty hits, including the top five country classics

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Speaker 2: Burning a Hole in My Heart and It's You Again.

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Speaker 2: Ewing's eagerly await a new album, Dragonfly, now sees the

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Speaker 2: veteran artist bringing his extraordinary life experiences to bear on

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Speaker 2: such essential new songs like I Want It All, which

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Speaker 2: is climbing the country radio charts, and Say Yes. Please

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Speaker 2: join me today for my conversation with Skip Ewing.

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Speaker 1: Welcome to Taking a Walk Nashville with your hosts singer

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Speaker 1: songwriter Sarah Harrelson.

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Speaker 2: Hey everyone, it's Sarah Harrelson, your host of Taking a

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Speaker 2: Walk Nashville and today here with me. As I mentioned

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Speaker 2: is Skip Ewing. Skip, thank you so much for being

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Speaker 2: on Taking a Walk Nashville today. How are you?

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Speaker 3: Absolutely my pleasure and I'm well, thank It's nice to

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Speaker 3: meet you.

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Speaker 2: Nice to meet you too. So you have released a

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Speaker 2: few songs already this year, including Stronger where You're Broken

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Speaker 2: featuring me Estes. Tell me about how this collaboration came about.

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Speaker 2: I love the concept behind the song.

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Speaker 3: Well, the concept just came because one I love May Estes,

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Speaker 3: So when it came up for that particular song, I

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Speaker 3: That's that's coming that stronger where you've broken this going

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Speaker 2: a single Me and God and a Fishing Pole. This

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Speaker 3: That always struck me like, well, were you waiting for

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Speaker 3: That's where that came from. That's where me and God

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Speaker 3: that's exactly, how that's exactly, And that's what I hope

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Speaker 3: Well, for me, some people, I think when they think

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Speaker 3: And it sounds odd, but these were things I really

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Speaker 3: and they're eating, they're just hanging out. That doesn't happen

431
00:22:52,840 --> 00:22:56,880
Speaker 3: with people sometimes, but it happens with me now more

432
00:22:56,960 --> 00:23:01,280
Speaker 3: about myself and a lot more for other people. Well,

433
00:23:02,840 --> 00:23:06,320
Speaker 3: I had let music basically go. I mean I could

434
00:23:06,359 --> 00:23:08,680
Speaker 3: still play. I still did that, but as I got

435
00:23:08,720 --> 00:23:10,840
Speaker 3: into that, I was learning about relationships. And then I

436
00:23:11,200 --> 00:23:16,240
Speaker 3: began even doing clinics and working with other clinicians, having

437
00:23:16,480 --> 00:23:22,000
Speaker 3: looked deeply into that relationship and really being able to

438
00:23:23,720 --> 00:23:26,840
Speaker 3: help a horse understand how to have a relationship better

439
00:23:26,880 --> 00:23:30,400
Speaker 3: with humans, but more importantly, how to help us humans

440
00:23:31,160 --> 00:23:34,040
Speaker 3: often be able to go, this is how we have

441
00:23:34,119 --> 00:23:36,360
Speaker 3: a better relationship with the horse. And most of the time,

442
00:23:36,760 --> 00:23:38,960
Speaker 3: you might as well say to the horse, you know,

443
00:23:39,040 --> 00:23:41,240
Speaker 3: what's this? That was my fault. Let me get out

444
00:23:41,240 --> 00:23:43,159
Speaker 3: of your way. Let's try that again. I might be

445
00:23:43,240 --> 00:23:46,159
Speaker 3: inviting you, you might supposed to be doing something, but

446
00:23:46,240 --> 00:23:48,480
Speaker 3: I've got to set you up to win because you're

447
00:23:48,480 --> 00:23:51,920
Speaker 3: a horse and you don't know. You don't know, but

448
00:23:52,000 --> 00:23:54,280
Speaker 3: I'm merely asking you. I've got to help you understand that.

449
00:23:54,640 --> 00:23:56,520
Speaker 3: And you know what's really cool, there's not been a

450
00:23:56,640 --> 00:24:00,639
Speaker 3: horse ever. Who asks me about Kenny Chesney, haven't had

451
00:24:00,680 --> 00:24:03,760
Speaker 3: a single horse ever? Say hey, what's Kenny Chesney? Like?

452
00:24:04,920 --> 00:24:07,760
Speaker 3: That's not bad, right? But it also doesn't know any

453
00:24:07,800 --> 00:24:09,760
Speaker 3: song I've ever written, doesn't care what my name is.

454
00:24:09,840 --> 00:24:12,240
Speaker 3: The Only thing it cares about is what is real?

455
00:24:13,400 --> 00:24:15,640
Speaker 3: Like what is real? Not what I think is real?

456
00:24:15,720 --> 00:24:17,480
Speaker 3: But what's really going on with my body? What's the

457
00:24:17,600 --> 00:24:21,720
Speaker 3: energy I'm sending? How authentic is how genuine is it?

458
00:24:21,760 --> 00:24:24,960
Speaker 3: And how skillful am I at expressing that with my

459
00:24:25,080 --> 00:24:27,639
Speaker 3: body and the energies that I give. And if you

460
00:24:27,680 --> 00:24:29,760
Speaker 3: ever go out and around a horse with me, I

461
00:24:29,800 --> 00:24:32,879
Speaker 3: can very quickly show you what I mean. This was

462
00:24:33,080 --> 00:24:38,840
Speaker 3: so akin so closely related to what I realized was

463
00:24:39,000 --> 00:24:42,520
Speaker 3: songwriting because of my relationship to what I was writing

464
00:24:42,960 --> 00:24:45,840
Speaker 3: and the people for whom I was writing, myself included.

465
00:24:45,840 --> 00:24:47,880
Speaker 3: I don't think I don't write for myself and only

466
00:24:47,960 --> 00:24:52,000
Speaker 3: for others, but I do think about both of those

467
00:24:52,080 --> 00:24:54,240
Speaker 3: things all the time. Now. It's like when you're working

468
00:24:54,280 --> 00:24:56,520
Speaker 3: with a horse, if the human forgets that you have

469
00:24:56,640 --> 00:24:59,160
Speaker 3: a relationship, if it stops being we and the horse

470
00:24:59,200 --> 00:25:01,520
Speaker 3: goes one way and the person goes another, it's almost

471
00:25:01,760 --> 00:25:06,560
Speaker 3: never good for the person right So for me also,

472
00:25:06,960 --> 00:25:10,360
Speaker 3: as I'm doing music, I'm I think about those other

473
00:25:10,720 --> 00:25:13,919
Speaker 3: those other people. I think about you, you know, if

474
00:25:14,000 --> 00:25:15,679
Speaker 3: I know you, If I'm think if I'm gonna sing

475
00:25:15,800 --> 00:25:17,199
Speaker 3: right here, if I was going to sing right here,

476
00:25:17,640 --> 00:25:20,560
Speaker 3: I would be thinking about this whole situation and who's listening,

477
00:25:21,560 --> 00:25:24,480
Speaker 3: you know. So if you're listening right now, basically what

478
00:25:24,680 --> 00:25:28,520
Speaker 3: I imagine is there is someone listening. Not a million

479
00:25:28,680 --> 00:25:33,159
Speaker 3: people listening, but a million individuals are listening with the

480
00:25:33,240 --> 00:25:37,800
Speaker 3: possibility of putting their life into the words I'm offering

481
00:25:37,920 --> 00:25:39,919
Speaker 3: or the song I'm offering and seeing how it fits.

482
00:25:40,440 --> 00:25:42,440
Speaker 3: Can I get my life in there? Somehow? Does that

483
00:25:42,640 --> 00:25:46,280
Speaker 3: move me? Because it brings up what it brings up

484
00:25:46,600 --> 00:25:49,560
Speaker 3: the experiences that I've had, where I can grow, where

485
00:25:49,600 --> 00:25:52,440
Speaker 3: I can celebrate, where I can cry, where I can

486
00:25:54,040 --> 00:25:58,600
Speaker 3: be you know, super happy. Maybe so, I hope so,

487
00:25:59,240 --> 00:26:02,000
Speaker 3: because that's what we're doing. Well. By the time we

488
00:26:02,080 --> 00:26:05,159
Speaker 3: got to Wyoming, that's when my wife said, after I

489
00:26:05,280 --> 00:26:08,080
Speaker 3: was messing with these other ideas, she said, you need

490
00:26:08,160 --> 00:26:10,399
Speaker 3: to put the journeys together. That's what you need to do.

491
00:26:11,600 --> 00:26:13,440
Speaker 3: And so then I was just going to do stuff

492
00:26:13,480 --> 00:26:15,639
Speaker 3: for fun because I didn't know for sure I'd be

493
00:26:15,680 --> 00:26:18,800
Speaker 3: able to come back and do something in Nashville commercially.

494
00:26:19,600 --> 00:26:21,720
Speaker 3: So the songs that I were writing were very different.

495
00:26:21,840 --> 00:26:24,639
Speaker 3: On the Wyoming record, there's some really interesting stuff and

496
00:26:24,760 --> 00:26:27,240
Speaker 3: I will forever be happy that I wrote them, because

497
00:26:27,440 --> 00:26:29,760
Speaker 3: now I can't go and do shows without people asking me.

498
00:26:30,280 --> 00:26:33,520
Speaker 3: And it's for the more obscure songs sometimes like Margo

499
00:26:33,600 --> 00:26:37,159
Speaker 3: Lane or the Cowboy Inside or you know, or a

500
00:26:37,240 --> 00:26:39,760
Speaker 3: Railroad or Patrickglyph, these things that are much different than

501
00:26:39,800 --> 00:26:41,880
Speaker 3: you you know, are going to get played on mainstream

502
00:26:41,960 --> 00:26:47,359
Speaker 3: country radio or even Americana. And yeah, so that just

503
00:26:47,440 --> 00:26:51,080
Speaker 3: took steps from there to a second record, and we

504
00:26:51,200 --> 00:26:53,720
Speaker 3: had a little bit of a really fun song called

505
00:26:53,880 --> 00:26:57,760
Speaker 3: road Dog that was about a dog literally singing about

506
00:26:58,840 --> 00:27:02,560
Speaker 3: about love to be in the truck I mean, or

507
00:27:02,640 --> 00:27:05,200
Speaker 3: the car or whatever it was, and that hit a

508
00:27:05,280 --> 00:27:08,479
Speaker 3: chord with so many people, you know. And so then

509
00:27:08,520 --> 00:27:12,480
Speaker 3: we started this Dragonfly project, and although we have released

510
00:27:12,480 --> 00:27:14,920
Speaker 3: a few songs on it, we certainly haven't released a record.

511
00:27:15,600 --> 00:27:17,800
Speaker 3: And you know, we put out a song called I

512
00:27:17,920 --> 00:27:20,920
Speaker 3: Want It All, which was basically the first the first

513
00:27:21,119 --> 00:27:24,440
Speaker 3: radio single, but it didn't go out to mainstream radio.

514
00:27:25,160 --> 00:27:28,119
Speaker 3: It went out to radio stations who are still able

515
00:27:28,200 --> 00:27:30,359
Speaker 3: to make a choice about what they want to play

516
00:27:30,440 --> 00:27:33,000
Speaker 3: on the radio station. We found out that a lot

517
00:27:33,080 --> 00:27:35,080
Speaker 3: of people wanted to play what I was making, and

518
00:27:35,160 --> 00:27:37,040
Speaker 3: we ended up having a number one song on the

519
00:27:37,160 --> 00:27:40,280
Speaker 3: independent you know, on the fully independent chart because I

520
00:27:40,280 --> 00:27:42,800
Speaker 3: don't have a I don't have a record label, and

521
00:27:42,920 --> 00:27:45,800
Speaker 3: it stayed in the top five for weeks and weeks. Okay,

522
00:27:45,880 --> 00:27:48,320
Speaker 3: this was an indication that people were enjoying listening, and

523
00:27:48,400 --> 00:27:51,840
Speaker 3: I went and a team began to gather around me.

524
00:27:52,640 --> 00:27:55,600
Speaker 3: When all this starts to happen, it resonates with right

525
00:27:55,840 --> 00:27:59,200
Speaker 3: as far as it resonates with possibility, and I have

526
00:27:59,359 --> 00:28:01,480
Speaker 3: to listen to that if I'm if we're going in

527
00:28:01,560 --> 00:28:05,200
Speaker 3: that direction, and everyone around me is loving what they're doing,

528
00:28:05,680 --> 00:28:08,640
Speaker 3: believing in what we're doing, and it's and it's when

529
00:28:08,680 --> 00:28:11,000
Speaker 3: I say resonate, I mean you can, you know, you

530
00:28:11,080 --> 00:28:13,040
Speaker 3: can you can feel that. Sometimes you get an inkling

531
00:28:13,560 --> 00:28:15,760
Speaker 3: this is just why are we wasting our time here?

532
00:28:15,920 --> 00:28:17,480
Speaker 3: You know, we'll do it because the money's there. But

533
00:28:18,840 --> 00:28:21,200
Speaker 3: if that starts happening, then you reassess. But that's not

534
00:28:21,320 --> 00:28:25,800
Speaker 3: what's happening right now. And and so that I know

535
00:28:25,960 --> 00:28:28,119
Speaker 3: is a little bit longer edited how you want, but

536
00:28:28,280 --> 00:28:32,120
Speaker 3: that's really how. It's not a journey of song after song,

537
00:28:32,920 --> 00:28:35,760
Speaker 3: or one state to another or one horse to another.

538
00:28:36,480 --> 00:28:40,760
Speaker 3: What it is is it's it's a journey of understanding.

539
00:28:40,880 --> 00:28:44,400
Speaker 3: It's a journey of not me having humility, but of

540
00:28:44,560 --> 00:28:49,680
Speaker 3: me being humbled. Whether I liked it or not, I

541
00:28:49,800 --> 00:28:54,000
Speaker 3: could not be. You know, imagine me saying, okay, I'm

542
00:28:54,040 --> 00:28:57,640
Speaker 3: not going to do anything with music now. Okay, That's

543
00:28:57,680 --> 00:28:59,560
Speaker 3: what I did my whole life. That's what I did.

544
00:28:59,800 --> 00:29:02,280
Speaker 3: If people liked me, it was because of that. You know.

545
00:29:02,360 --> 00:29:04,280
Speaker 3: If people were making money off of me, it was

546
00:29:04,320 --> 00:29:08,360
Speaker 3: because of that. All of a sudden, doesn't matter what

547
00:29:08,480 --> 00:29:10,400
Speaker 3: my name is, doesn't matter what I've written, doesn't matter

548
00:29:10,480 --> 00:29:12,600
Speaker 3: who I know, doesn't matter what kind of money I'm making.

549
00:29:13,200 --> 00:29:15,160
Speaker 3: When I walk down there and I'm going to spend

550
00:29:15,240 --> 00:29:19,680
Speaker 3: time with this amazing animal, like a horse or a dog,

551
00:29:19,720 --> 00:29:24,480
Speaker 3: there's many similarities, and I go down there, that's what

552
00:29:24,600 --> 00:29:28,680
Speaker 3: I am, and that's all. That's all there is. That's it.

553
00:29:29,960 --> 00:29:35,160
Speaker 3: That is, in its own way, freeing, humbling, a bit scary,

554
00:29:36,120 --> 00:29:40,520
Speaker 3: and it is both an opportunity and a responsibility. If

555
00:29:40,640 --> 00:29:43,880
Speaker 3: I'm going to take responsibility for this horse, which I

556
00:29:44,040 --> 00:29:47,520
Speaker 3: am his or her safety and well being. While we're

557
00:29:47,560 --> 00:29:50,160
Speaker 3: doing that, I'm also taking that responsibility for me. But

558
00:29:50,240 --> 00:29:53,440
Speaker 3: it's an opportunity for us both to learn, for us

559
00:29:53,560 --> 00:29:58,920
Speaker 3: both maybe to have an incredibly positive, you know, experience

560
00:30:00,040 --> 00:30:02,960
Speaker 3: learning how to have a relationship together. Because I kept going,

561
00:30:03,800 --> 00:30:06,520
Speaker 3: if horse doesn't have a relationship with humans, if a

562
00:30:06,600 --> 00:30:09,120
Speaker 3: horse doesn't have that relationship, it really doesn't have a life.

563
00:30:09,200 --> 00:30:11,680
Speaker 3: Nobody wants to keep it around. And yet when a

564
00:30:11,720 --> 00:30:13,840
Speaker 3: horse is born, its mom doesn't go, hey, you better

565
00:30:13,920 --> 00:30:15,880
Speaker 3: do good with these guys, because otherwise they're going to

566
00:30:15,920 --> 00:30:17,440
Speaker 3: send you off somewhere and you're not going to be

567
00:30:17,480 --> 00:30:20,360
Speaker 3: around anymore. Nope, they don't do that. They don't know

568
00:30:20,480 --> 00:30:23,080
Speaker 3: any better. They just have to learn this is why,

569
00:30:23,600 --> 00:30:26,040
Speaker 3: and when it feels good to do that, when it

570
00:30:26,280 --> 00:30:29,959
Speaker 3: feels good to do that, when that invitation is like, hey,

571
00:30:30,040 --> 00:30:32,800
Speaker 3: I got an idea, let's do this together. Okay, because

572
00:30:32,800 --> 00:30:34,840
Speaker 3: I know this is good for you. Let's do this together.

573
00:30:35,520 --> 00:30:37,920
Speaker 3: And then if I'm wrong, I'll probably be wrong more

574
00:30:37,960 --> 00:30:39,880
Speaker 3: than you. And anytime i'm wrong, I'm gonna do my

575
00:30:39,920 --> 00:30:41,760
Speaker 3: best to go Okay, wait, wait, that was my fault.

576
00:30:42,080 --> 00:30:45,000
Speaker 3: I'm putting no pressure on you. Please, let's do that again.

577
00:30:46,320 --> 00:30:49,320
Speaker 3: So imagine that in a person's place. Right, Let's say

578
00:30:50,000 --> 00:30:52,360
Speaker 3: you're so kind because I'm sitting here like talking so much.

579
00:30:52,400 --> 00:30:54,640
Speaker 3: I know that's what you want and you're letting me right.

580
00:30:54,960 --> 00:30:57,880
Speaker 3: So if I go, oh, right, next time we do it,

581
00:30:57,960 --> 00:31:01,160
Speaker 3: did I talk too much? Maybe so? But if I did,

582
00:31:01,640 --> 00:31:03,400
Speaker 3: you know what I'd want to handle is I would

583
00:31:03,400 --> 00:31:05,400
Speaker 3: want to say, you know what, I'm sorry, I talked

584
00:31:05,440 --> 00:31:07,840
Speaker 3: too much. All at the same time, that really wasn't

585
00:31:07,880 --> 00:31:10,040
Speaker 3: as skillful as I could have done that. Let me

586
00:31:10,120 --> 00:31:12,080
Speaker 3: try that again. Let's try that again. I know I

587
00:31:12,120 --> 00:31:16,280
Speaker 3: can do better. That will take away a lot that

588
00:31:16,400 --> 00:31:19,280
Speaker 3: could have manifested between us, that could have been negative.

589
00:31:19,360 --> 00:31:21,880
Speaker 3: And this is a random thing I'm saying right, happens

590
00:31:21,920 --> 00:31:24,200
Speaker 3: all the time with a horse. Just nope, Let's try

591
00:31:24,240 --> 00:31:26,840
Speaker 3: it again. Let the whole thing go. Let's do it again,

592
00:31:27,040 --> 00:31:29,600
Speaker 3: and when it feels good, we'll both know. And the

593
00:31:29,680 --> 00:31:32,400
Speaker 3: next time it comes up in any relationship, I feel

594
00:31:32,840 --> 00:31:35,680
Speaker 3: if you can realize quickly you made a mistake, you

595
00:31:35,840 --> 00:31:38,120
Speaker 3: really could have done it more skillfully. The minute you

596
00:31:38,200 --> 00:31:40,480
Speaker 3: say that to a person, I believe they'll see themselves

597
00:31:40,520 --> 00:31:45,120
Speaker 3: in it. If you're authentic, you go, that was so

598
00:31:45,360 --> 00:31:48,360
Speaker 3: unskillful of me. Okay, whatever it is, I raise my voice,

599
00:31:48,400 --> 00:31:50,160
Speaker 3: I use language I shouldn't have used. It can be

600
00:31:50,240 --> 00:31:52,480
Speaker 3: worse than that can be. Or I didn't even see that,

601
00:31:53,280 --> 00:31:55,360
Speaker 3: you know, I am so sorry. Let me do Look,

602
00:31:55,680 --> 00:31:58,080
Speaker 3: I can do that way more skillfully. You didn't deserve that.

603
00:31:58,200 --> 00:32:00,960
Speaker 3: Give me another shot. Almost always let you.

604
00:32:01,520 --> 00:32:01,720
Speaker 2: Yeah.

605
00:32:02,480 --> 00:32:05,840
Speaker 3: So now we're back to music. So here I am.

606
00:32:06,120 --> 00:32:07,760
Speaker 3: I wanted to be an artist. They wouldn't let me

607
00:32:07,800 --> 00:32:12,000
Speaker 3: cut the songs I wanted to cut. Now I'm older.

608
00:32:12,680 --> 00:32:15,120
Speaker 3: Some people even say my voice is better. I don't know.

609
00:32:15,360 --> 00:32:18,280
Speaker 3: It's different, that's for sure. The way I look at

610
00:32:18,320 --> 00:32:21,320
Speaker 3: relationships is certainly different, and the way I offer music

611
00:32:21,840 --> 00:32:24,520
Speaker 3: is different. But it does have all this time that

612
00:32:24,600 --> 00:32:27,920
Speaker 3: I've spent working on a craft that I really believe in,

613
00:32:29,120 --> 00:32:31,640
Speaker 3: and there are new ways to think about the way

614
00:32:31,720 --> 00:32:35,680
Speaker 3: we make records, and there there's a different sort of

615
00:32:35,800 --> 00:32:39,360
Speaker 3: spectrum of the way people pay attention to music. And

616
00:32:39,480 --> 00:32:42,360
Speaker 3: one thing I know about me is there's going to

617
00:32:42,400 --> 00:32:45,320
Speaker 3: be easter eggs, no doubt. Okay, there's not a song

618
00:32:45,360 --> 00:32:46,600
Speaker 3: I'm going to rise. It's not going to have some

619
00:32:46,720 --> 00:32:48,320
Speaker 3: kind of easter egg, and if you listen to it

620
00:32:48,400 --> 00:32:50,640
Speaker 3: a second time, I'm hoping you'll find something you didn't

621
00:32:50,680 --> 00:32:55,560
Speaker 3: find the first time. But also there's the opportunity for

622
00:32:55,720 --> 00:33:00,959
Speaker 3: me to say it differently than anyone else, which allows

623
00:33:01,040 --> 00:33:03,800
Speaker 3: me to be both an artist as a writer and

624
00:33:03,960 --> 00:33:08,000
Speaker 3: an artist as a singer. And by from me when

625
00:33:08,040 --> 00:33:11,600
Speaker 3: I say artist, my artistic voice is how I express

626
00:33:11,640 --> 00:33:14,240
Speaker 3: myself on a guitar. I have done that my whole life.

627
00:33:14,280 --> 00:33:18,520
Speaker 3: I don't remember when I didn't. How I sing and

628
00:33:18,640 --> 00:33:20,600
Speaker 3: that and by how I sing, I'm not talking about

629
00:33:20,640 --> 00:33:23,440
Speaker 3: the notes that I choose so much as what's the

630
00:33:23,560 --> 00:33:26,640
Speaker 3: well I'm drawing from, what's the emotional well, whether that's fun,

631
00:33:27,720 --> 00:33:30,720
Speaker 3: whether it's romantic, whether it's powerful, whether it's scary, whether

632
00:33:30,720 --> 00:33:33,920
Speaker 3: it's sad, whether it's ultra happy. Where am I drawing from?

633
00:33:35,120 --> 00:33:38,080
Speaker 3: And that is an artistic voice in the same way

634
00:33:38,120 --> 00:33:40,400
Speaker 3: it will be a way that I write something. Hey,

635
00:33:40,440 --> 00:33:43,560
Speaker 3: old man, are you listening? It's the first line of

636
00:33:43,600 --> 00:33:47,680
Speaker 3: a song. Nobody knew what that is. I'm hoping they go, well,

637
00:33:48,640 --> 00:33:50,920
Speaker 3: is he talking to what is that? Let's listen to

638
00:33:51,000 --> 00:33:53,880
Speaker 3: the next line. Are you listening? I know my life's

639
00:33:53,880 --> 00:33:57,040
Speaker 3: been full of sin. I probably got no choice, no

640
00:33:57,240 --> 00:34:00,880
Speaker 3: chance of getting in. I don't know anyone who hasn't thought, Okay,

641
00:34:00,960 --> 00:34:03,000
Speaker 3: that's it. I'm not getting into heaven if you think

642
00:34:03,040 --> 00:34:05,160
Speaker 3: it's if you think there's a heaven, it's a little

643
00:34:05,200 --> 00:34:08,080
Speaker 3: tongue in cheek, but it's I believe it's it's all

644
00:34:08,160 --> 00:34:12,360
Speaker 3: of us. And I think that I'm starting to be

645
00:34:12,440 --> 00:34:15,400
Speaker 3: given an opportunity to be heard. And that's all I

646
00:34:15,480 --> 00:34:18,200
Speaker 3: can ask for. That's all I can ask for. And

647
00:34:18,360 --> 00:34:22,239
Speaker 3: the and the great thing is that after doing that,

648
00:34:22,560 --> 00:34:24,600
Speaker 3: which is a bit scary to do, to do it

649
00:34:24,680 --> 00:34:27,080
Speaker 3: different than other people, you know, to do it a

650
00:34:27,120 --> 00:34:31,520
Speaker 3: little different. That's how we that's how we are actually artists.

651
00:34:31,680 --> 00:34:34,760
Speaker 3: I think that's how we're not clones. That's how we're artists,

652
00:34:34,840 --> 00:34:37,600
Speaker 3: you know. And it's it takes a chance, but man,

653
00:34:37,719 --> 00:34:39,719
Speaker 3: give me a chance to do it. And now all

654
00:34:39,760 --> 00:34:43,160
Speaker 3: of a sudden, I'm high as a guite because people

655
00:34:43,320 --> 00:34:45,960
Speaker 3: are listening. People are going, hey, have you heard this?

656
00:34:46,320 --> 00:34:48,360
Speaker 3: You should hear this, you know, And the and the

657
00:34:48,440 --> 00:34:50,879
Speaker 3: numbers start to grow and more people play the song,

658
00:34:50,960 --> 00:34:54,600
Speaker 3: and I get on more awesome podcasts like this, and

659
00:34:55,360 --> 00:34:57,080
Speaker 3: that's all that's all I can ask That's all I

660
00:34:57,160 --> 00:34:57,600
Speaker 3: can ask for.

661
00:34:58,000 --> 00:35:01,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's beautiful. Yeah, I love thank you for sharing

662
00:35:01,080 --> 00:35:04,200
Speaker 2: your story and your journey. And I love the perspective

663
00:35:04,440 --> 00:35:08,960
Speaker 2: of between a horse and human connection and how that

664
00:35:09,200 --> 00:35:13,440
Speaker 2: helps you be more connected with humans. And you know,

665
00:35:13,640 --> 00:35:15,879
Speaker 2: like you said, we have to have something to draw

666
00:35:15,960 --> 00:35:19,799
Speaker 2: from when we're writing or doing music. And if you're

667
00:35:19,840 --> 00:35:23,640
Speaker 2: in a headspace or place where you can't draw anything anymore,

668
00:35:23,840 --> 00:35:28,560
Speaker 2: that's definitely a good way to realize that maybe you

669
00:35:28,680 --> 00:35:31,040
Speaker 2: need to put yourself in a different place. And for you,

670
00:35:31,200 --> 00:35:35,560
Speaker 2: that was going to Wyoming be more connected to nature,

671
00:35:35,800 --> 00:35:39,279
Speaker 2: and that's where you found more inspiration to draw from.

672
00:35:40,280 --> 00:35:42,320
Speaker 2: And of course, with all the success you had, you

673
00:35:42,400 --> 00:35:44,200
Speaker 2: were just in a place where you needed a little

674
00:35:44,239 --> 00:35:48,080
Speaker 2: break from Nashville. And now you're releasing more music again.

675
00:35:49,160 --> 00:35:51,320
Speaker 1: We'll be right back with more of the Taking a

676
00:35:51,400 --> 00:35:59,360
Speaker 1: Walk Nashville podcast. Welcome back to Taking a Walk Nashville.

677
00:36:01,080 --> 00:36:04,640
Speaker 2: I love when songs are just so timeless, where you

678
00:36:04,719 --> 00:36:06,719
Speaker 2: know you write it, you think nothing is going to

679
00:36:06,800 --> 00:36:11,240
Speaker 2: come of it, and then for you, twenty plus years later,

680
00:36:11,640 --> 00:36:15,600
Speaker 2: you heard that Ernest and Laney Wilson are recording a

681
00:36:15,719 --> 00:36:18,800
Speaker 2: song you wrote in the nineties with Dean Dylan, what

682
00:36:18,960 --> 00:36:22,879
Speaker 2: if I could. Were you surprised to see the resurgence

683
00:36:23,160 --> 00:36:25,360
Speaker 2: of that song after all these years?

684
00:36:26,480 --> 00:36:29,000
Speaker 3: Well, certainly, I mean nobody expects that. Yeah, you know,

685
00:36:29,200 --> 00:36:33,440
Speaker 3: nobody expects that and and so and for it to

686
00:36:33,560 --> 00:36:35,840
Speaker 3: be then have a chance to be a hit. And

687
00:36:35,920 --> 00:36:39,000
Speaker 3: that had a really funny story, you know, because Apple

688
00:36:39,040 --> 00:36:41,399
Speaker 3: invited Lane to do a version, she did a version

689
00:36:41,440 --> 00:36:43,400
Speaker 3: of it. Ernest had heard it in the meantime he

690
00:36:43,520 --> 00:36:45,720
Speaker 3: wanted to cut her on his record, so he asked

691
00:36:46,120 --> 00:36:48,120
Speaker 3: Laney if she would do a duet on his record.

692
00:36:48,160 --> 00:36:51,320
Speaker 3: And then when she sort of sort of with the

693
00:36:51,440 --> 00:36:53,640
Speaker 3: understanding with her record label, wasn't able to put it

694
00:36:53,719 --> 00:36:56,200
Speaker 3: out as a single with Ernest, which is understandable. Then

695
00:36:56,320 --> 00:36:59,879
Speaker 3: Ernest went in and you know, recorded his second half

696
00:37:00,280 --> 00:37:02,920
Speaker 3: of the song that Laney and otherwise thing put it out.

697
00:37:03,280 --> 00:37:06,600
Speaker 3: And now people are playing Ernest's by itself, and Ernest

698
00:37:06,680 --> 00:37:09,480
Speaker 3: and Lane ended up being a hit. In fact, it's

699
00:37:09,560 --> 00:37:12,960
Speaker 3: on the charts for fifty something weeks, and you just go,

700
00:37:13,320 --> 00:37:17,000
Speaker 3: how does that happen? I don't know, because somebody discovered it,

701
00:37:17,160 --> 00:37:19,960
Speaker 3: and because we did a pretty good job writing a song,

702
00:37:20,239 --> 00:37:24,040
Speaker 3: you know, twenty something years ago, and you go, why

703
00:37:24,080 --> 00:37:26,040
Speaker 3: didn't he get cut then? I don't know. Did it

704
00:37:26,160 --> 00:37:28,160
Speaker 3: not get cut then so that Laney and Ernest would

705
00:37:28,160 --> 00:37:30,440
Speaker 3: do a version of it, don't I don't know. You

706
00:37:30,560 --> 00:37:32,640
Speaker 3: made me think I could I could we just take

707
00:37:32,680 --> 00:37:35,440
Speaker 3: a baby step back to something you made me think

708
00:37:35,480 --> 00:37:37,960
Speaker 3: of it? And could you made me think about an

709
00:37:38,040 --> 00:37:41,680
Speaker 3: experience that relates exactly to what you said, like how

710
00:37:41,760 --> 00:37:44,239
Speaker 3: you look at something differently you know that you need

711
00:37:44,320 --> 00:37:47,360
Speaker 3: to sort of step away. I think I do believe that.

712
00:37:47,440 --> 00:37:49,560
Speaker 3: I think we need to do that a lot. But

713
00:37:49,680 --> 00:37:52,520
Speaker 3: it reminded me of something I do sometimes. That's a

714
00:37:52,719 --> 00:37:56,440
Speaker 3: really interesting thing. So if you've never tried this, try this.

715
00:37:57,040 --> 00:38:01,719
Speaker 3: I also have done martial arts for twenty five years

716
00:38:01,880 --> 00:38:04,960
Speaker 3: at least ever since I was younger as part of

717
00:38:05,040 --> 00:38:09,600
Speaker 3: what my family did, my adopted family. And there's this

718
00:38:09,880 --> 00:38:13,719
Speaker 3: warrior technique. Okay, so roll with me on this because

719
00:38:13,760 --> 00:38:15,640
Speaker 3: I know it's different, but you got to try this, okay.

720
00:38:16,360 --> 00:38:21,800
Speaker 3: So you can do something with your vision that is unusual.

721
00:38:23,080 --> 00:38:26,560
Speaker 3: You can look somewhere, just look at the same place, okay,

722
00:38:27,000 --> 00:38:29,879
Speaker 3: but make sure there's sun there, make sure there's good sun.

723
00:38:30,200 --> 00:38:33,160
Speaker 3: Then after you do that, close your eyes and leave

724
00:38:33,239 --> 00:38:37,440
Speaker 3: your face towards the sun and do that for twenty

725
00:38:37,520 --> 00:38:40,160
Speaker 3: thirty seconds. Keep your eyes closed, don't do not look

726
00:38:40,280 --> 00:38:42,160
Speaker 3: at the sun. Doesn't have to be full on straight

727
00:38:42,200 --> 00:38:44,279
Speaker 3: at you, but just close your eyes and let the

728
00:38:44,400 --> 00:38:50,319
Speaker 3: sunlight it be across your eyes. Then after that, turn

729
00:38:50,480 --> 00:38:53,160
Speaker 3: back and look at the same place. When you open

730
00:38:53,239 --> 00:38:57,920
Speaker 3: your eyes, your vision will be substantially different because of

731
00:38:57,960 --> 00:39:00,919
Speaker 3: the way you took in that light, and you'll see

732
00:39:00,960 --> 00:39:03,960
Speaker 3: it with a different clarity. And that's kind of what

733
00:39:04,120 --> 00:39:07,160
Speaker 3: you described right there, where you take a minute and

734
00:39:07,239 --> 00:39:10,239
Speaker 3: then you can see it a little more clearly. That's

735
00:39:10,320 --> 00:39:14,320
Speaker 3: a very quick that's that's thirty seconds later that that

736
00:39:14,560 --> 00:39:17,480
Speaker 3: really does happen. And so so try it today. Just

737
00:39:17,520 --> 00:39:20,560
Speaker 3: turned it out and then and try it. So that's

738
00:39:20,760 --> 00:39:23,520
Speaker 3: sort of a micro you know, a micro thing, but

739
00:39:23,640 --> 00:39:25,560
Speaker 3: that's a that's a that's a good way of kind

740
00:39:25,600 --> 00:39:29,000
Speaker 3: of saying, yeah, you know, you don't have to you

741
00:39:29,080 --> 00:39:30,840
Speaker 3: don't You don't lose the sun, you don't think you

742
00:39:30,960 --> 00:39:32,680
Speaker 3: just kind of close your eyes and give it, give

743
00:39:32,680 --> 00:39:34,160
Speaker 3: it a minute, and then look at it again, and

744
00:39:34,239 --> 00:39:37,120
Speaker 3: what will you see? What will you appreciate better?

745
00:39:37,360 --> 00:39:41,279
Speaker 2: Yeah, So that's interesting, is that kind of your perspective

746
00:39:41,440 --> 00:39:44,360
Speaker 2: returning to Nashville now that you don't live here, do

747
00:39:44,440 --> 00:39:46,759
Speaker 2: you look at it in a different light when you

748
00:39:46,880 --> 00:39:47,480
Speaker 2: come here now?

749
00:39:49,360 --> 00:39:54,000
Speaker 3: Well, I don't point my finger at Nashville in any

750
00:39:54,040 --> 00:39:58,080
Speaker 3: way at all. In other words, I think that, you know,

751
00:39:58,320 --> 00:40:00,120
Speaker 3: like I told you that, I have a song the

752
00:40:00,200 --> 00:40:04,319
Speaker 3: new record that basically is saying, you know, uh, there's

753
00:40:04,360 --> 00:40:07,359
Speaker 3: a there's a there's there's a really not good thing

754
00:40:07,840 --> 00:40:11,800
Speaker 3: about the music business. But it's in almost every business.

755
00:40:11,880 --> 00:40:14,600
Speaker 3: There's things like that. You know that really, So I

756
00:40:14,680 --> 00:40:18,680
Speaker 3: can write that because I've lived it. But Nashville is

757
00:40:18,760 --> 00:40:23,319
Speaker 3: not the problem. Nashville is not a problem. It's it's

758
00:40:23,440 --> 00:40:26,360
Speaker 3: it's different than it was in the past. But I

759
00:40:26,440 --> 00:40:30,640
Speaker 3: guess I don't think about Nashville as an entity now.

760
00:40:31,520 --> 00:40:34,680
Speaker 3: I sort of see the opportunities that are clustered here,

761
00:40:35,480 --> 00:40:40,120
Speaker 3: and I also see some really capable people who care

762
00:40:41,280 --> 00:40:44,840
Speaker 3: about what we're listening to, such as whether it's ai,

763
00:40:45,719 --> 00:40:48,800
Speaker 3: such as whether the content is something that should be shared.

764
00:40:49,760 --> 00:40:52,520
Speaker 3: You know, how are how are we making the decisions

765
00:40:52,520 --> 00:40:54,840
Speaker 3: about what is getting played and what's not getting played?

766
00:40:54,960 --> 00:40:58,040
Speaker 3: Is it only money? Because if it turns into only

767
00:40:58,200 --> 00:41:01,120
Speaker 3: money for everyone, it will never feel good, and there

768
00:41:01,160 --> 00:41:03,799
Speaker 3: are still some things that feel good. I can tell

769
00:41:03,840 --> 00:41:05,839
Speaker 3: you that I am fortunate enough now that I've put

770
00:41:05,920 --> 00:41:08,880
Speaker 3: this my artist's career together differently and it's starting to

771
00:41:08,960 --> 00:41:14,640
Speaker 3: grow exponentially, that I have had people reach out to me,

772
00:41:14,719 --> 00:41:16,920
Speaker 3: and I have reached out to people that have that

773
00:41:17,080 --> 00:41:20,120
Speaker 3: kind of resonance. If the kind of team that can

774
00:41:20,200 --> 00:41:24,120
Speaker 3: get around me is in Nashville inherently, and I know

775
00:41:24,280 --> 00:41:26,759
Speaker 3: that it is, that means there is a hell of

776
00:41:26,800 --> 00:41:29,239
Speaker 3: a life that's okay for me to say, a hell

777
00:41:29,280 --> 00:41:33,640
Speaker 3: of a lot of heart in this town and in

778
00:41:33,800 --> 00:41:38,120
Speaker 3: this business still right now, no matter what some things

779
00:41:38,280 --> 00:41:40,800
Speaker 3: are having to no matter how frustrating it can be,

780
00:41:41,000 --> 00:41:43,200
Speaker 3: no matter how sort of scary it can be, and

781
00:41:43,239 --> 00:41:46,799
Speaker 3: no matter how many people sort of you know, put

782
00:41:46,880 --> 00:41:48,560
Speaker 3: it down say country isn't what it used to be,

783
00:41:48,640 --> 00:41:52,240
Speaker 3: et cetera, et cetera. Well, there's meyrit and all those ideas.

784
00:41:52,960 --> 00:41:54,799
Speaker 3: But when I look at Nashville, I say, Nashville has

785
00:41:54,880 --> 00:42:00,080
Speaker 3: changed dramatically. Well, one thing that hasn't changed is a

786
00:42:00,200 --> 00:42:05,560
Speaker 3: lot of people's love for what country music is able,

787
00:42:05,640 --> 00:42:08,719
Speaker 3: the way country music is able to express itself. If

788
00:42:08,800 --> 00:42:12,719
Speaker 3: that the things were able to say still, and so

789
00:42:13,160 --> 00:42:16,040
Speaker 3: for that I treasure Nashville, which is different than I

790
00:42:16,120 --> 00:42:18,920
Speaker 3: think what some people might you know, might might come at.

791
00:42:18,960 --> 00:42:20,920
Speaker 3: It doesn't mean I can't write a song in Wyoming,

792
00:42:20,960 --> 00:42:22,560
Speaker 3: doesn't mean I can't be on tour and write a

793
00:42:22,600 --> 00:42:25,160
Speaker 3: song in Arizona, And it doesn't mean that I can't

794
00:42:25,200 --> 00:42:27,080
Speaker 3: come and spend time here. I've spent more time in

795
00:42:27,160 --> 00:42:29,520
Speaker 3: Nashville this year than I have in the last you know,

796
00:42:29,719 --> 00:42:32,040
Speaker 3: six years, even though I was putting music out and

797
00:42:32,160 --> 00:42:34,560
Speaker 3: I love it, I do. I've had a lot of

798
00:42:35,280 --> 00:42:37,800
Speaker 3: fun here. Are there things about the music business that

799
00:42:37,880 --> 00:42:40,680
Speaker 3: I wish weren't the way they are? Of course, just

800
00:42:40,800 --> 00:42:43,120
Speaker 3: like everybody else, there's not a single person in Nashville

801
00:42:43,120 --> 00:42:45,480
Speaker 3: in the music business who doesn't wish something was different,

802
00:42:46,960 --> 00:42:50,640
Speaker 3: all right. So so for me, the main thing is

803
00:42:51,480 --> 00:42:58,239
Speaker 3: Nashville affords us the community that is able to get

804
00:42:58,320 --> 00:43:02,840
Speaker 3: behind artistry they believe even and I'm finding that still happening.

805
00:43:03,200 --> 00:43:06,200
Speaker 3: It's a slowly but surely thing. There are some people

806
00:43:06,239 --> 00:43:07,719
Speaker 3: who have come out and said, you know what, we

807
00:43:07,840 --> 00:43:10,759
Speaker 3: want to help you skip Seriously, if this is a

808
00:43:10,840 --> 00:43:12,920
Speaker 3: skip Ing record, we want more of them, and we

809
00:43:13,040 --> 00:43:15,640
Speaker 3: will work our tails off because that's what this is

810
00:43:15,680 --> 00:43:17,319
Speaker 3: the kind of thing we want. It doesn't happen as

811
00:43:17,400 --> 00:43:21,000
Speaker 3: often for whatever reason. If that's happening for me, it's

812
00:43:21,040 --> 00:43:25,120
Speaker 3: happening for other people, which means the heart of what

813
00:43:25,239 --> 00:43:27,759
Speaker 3: country music has always been about and what's going on

814
00:43:27,920 --> 00:43:31,880
Speaker 3: with Nashville from that is still very much alive. You know.

815
00:43:32,040 --> 00:43:34,040
Speaker 3: There might be some places where we have to dig

816
00:43:34,080 --> 00:43:36,160
Speaker 3: a little deeper to see it or feel it now

817
00:43:36,680 --> 00:43:41,200
Speaker 3: because there's so much we're just inundated with music, you know.

818
00:43:42,760 --> 00:43:45,600
Speaker 3: But no, I haven't lost I haven't lost my faith

819
00:43:45,640 --> 00:43:48,520
Speaker 3: at all. In fact, maybe it's just a renewed faith

820
00:43:48,600 --> 00:43:52,399
Speaker 3: because I'm seeing that. I'm seeing that manifest and if

821
00:43:52,440 --> 00:43:54,680
Speaker 3: it can manifest, then all we have to do is

822
00:43:54,760 --> 00:44:01,080
Speaker 3: be credibly incredibly skillful continuing to make that manifest. I

823
00:44:01,160 --> 00:44:03,239
Speaker 3: want to write the very best I can to reach

824
00:44:03,320 --> 00:44:05,400
Speaker 3: those kind of people so that anyone who's around me,

825
00:44:05,480 --> 00:44:07,759
Speaker 3: anyone who gives me a chance, can look at that

826
00:44:07,920 --> 00:44:10,560
Speaker 3: music and go, yeah, we're okay to represent that. We

827
00:44:10,680 --> 00:44:12,960
Speaker 3: believe with that, we believe in that, we believe in

828
00:44:13,000 --> 00:44:15,800
Speaker 3: that talent or my voice or who I am, or

829
00:44:15,880 --> 00:44:20,200
Speaker 3: the writing or hopefully all of it. And then you

830
00:44:20,239 --> 00:44:23,399
Speaker 3: don't usually say it about country, but let's rock. I mean,

831
00:44:23,440 --> 00:44:27,520
Speaker 3: you know, let's go let's country. Yeah and yeah, so

832
00:44:29,000 --> 00:44:31,880
Speaker 3: I have nothing but positive in that sense.

833
00:44:32,560 --> 00:44:34,920
Speaker 2: That's beautiful. Yeah, thank you for the insight. I was

834
00:44:35,000 --> 00:44:38,480
Speaker 2: going to say, you keep such a positive perspective, which

835
00:44:38,560 --> 00:44:42,000
Speaker 2: is so important to have in the music industry. To

836
00:44:42,880 --> 00:44:46,719
Speaker 2: keep that positivity going, especially through your music. Skip my

837
00:44:47,040 --> 00:44:50,480
Speaker 2: last question for you today we are on taking a

838
00:44:50,560 --> 00:44:54,600
Speaker 2: walk Nashville. So what is the most memorable walk you

839
00:44:54,719 --> 00:44:56,760
Speaker 2: have taken in Nashville?

840
00:44:58,640 --> 00:45:00,880
Speaker 3: You mean the physical well, because that could be a

841
00:45:00,920 --> 00:45:03,000
Speaker 3: metaphoric too, So yeah, I.

842
00:45:03,520 --> 00:45:07,640
Speaker 2: Say physical, but if you have a metaphoric one, please share.

843
00:45:08,160 --> 00:45:12,320
Speaker 3: Well. The funny thing is that I spend a huge

844
00:45:12,320 --> 00:45:16,759
Speaker 3: amount of my time walking, so and by that I

845
00:45:16,880 --> 00:45:19,080
Speaker 3: mean that, you know, I've played guitar for a long time.

846
00:45:19,600 --> 00:45:21,840
Speaker 3: If I have a musical idea, and I have the

847
00:45:22,040 --> 00:45:24,800
Speaker 3: arms of my sort of understanding of that musical idea,

848
00:45:25,160 --> 00:45:27,399
Speaker 3: I can set my guitar down and I can still

849
00:45:27,480 --> 00:45:30,120
Speaker 3: work on something and work with the changes or the

850
00:45:30,160 --> 00:45:32,760
Speaker 3: melody without having to play my guitar, piano or anything.

851
00:45:32,960 --> 00:45:35,239
Speaker 3: I can just do it in my head a good bit,

852
00:45:36,080 --> 00:45:38,640
Speaker 3: and so work on a lyric that way, and very

853
00:45:38,760 --> 00:45:43,480
Speaker 3: often even if I'm inside, I will walk and I

854
00:45:43,560 --> 00:45:46,000
Speaker 3: have this thing. There's a couple places are where we

855
00:45:46,120 --> 00:45:52,160
Speaker 3: are really you know, creative, and we free ourselves up

856
00:45:52,320 --> 00:45:57,040
Speaker 3: in the shower, driving and walking. Those are all places psychologically,

857
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Speaker 3: maybe physiologically. They say that that is because we do

858
00:46:00,280 --> 00:46:02,120
Speaker 3: it the same way. Every time you take a shower,

859
00:46:02,200 --> 00:46:04,400
Speaker 3: exactly the same way every time. When you're driving, you

860
00:46:04,520 --> 00:46:05,920
Speaker 3: kind of know the way, so you can kind of

861
00:46:06,000 --> 00:46:08,839
Speaker 3: check out and you don't have to spend that energy

862
00:46:08,920 --> 00:46:11,920
Speaker 3: on your body. You can spend it it thinking. So

863
00:46:12,520 --> 00:46:16,719
Speaker 3: I take advantage of it. And so I'll tell you

864
00:46:17,160 --> 00:46:20,320
Speaker 3: one that came up. But it's not because it's not

865
00:46:20,440 --> 00:46:23,600
Speaker 3: because of the title. It's not necessarily because of what happened,

866
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Speaker 3: But it's because of what we can discover when we

867
00:46:26,560 --> 00:46:30,520
Speaker 3: do stuff like that. Where we live there's nobody around us,

868
00:46:31,040 --> 00:46:33,200
Speaker 3: and everyone goes, oh my gosh when we see pictures

869
00:46:33,239 --> 00:46:36,440
Speaker 3: on your socials of what that you really have, mountains,

870
00:46:36,600 --> 00:46:40,160
Speaker 3: you really have like bighorn sheep in your driveway that

871
00:46:40,400 --> 00:46:43,520
Speaker 3: many those guys, yeah, we really do. Oh man, I

872
00:46:43,600 --> 00:46:45,799
Speaker 3: wish we lived there. And I will say, well, okay,

873
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Speaker 3: but what are you wanting to give up? Where are

874
00:46:48,640 --> 00:46:51,160
Speaker 3: you willing to give up till there? There's no pizza delivery,

875
00:46:51,239 --> 00:46:53,759
Speaker 3: there's no Asian food, there's no stop signs, there's no

876
00:46:53,920 --> 00:46:57,200
Speaker 3: fast food. And there's an eight mile drive just to

877
00:46:57,280 --> 00:46:59,520
Speaker 3: get on a dirt road that will beat any truck

878
00:46:59,600 --> 00:47:01,759
Speaker 3: up that we have to use an ATV et cetera,

879
00:47:01,840 --> 00:47:05,120
Speaker 3: et cetera to get there, and we're out in nothing

880
00:47:06,080 --> 00:47:10,040
Speaker 3: except for beauty. Beauty right. So I can step out

881
00:47:10,120 --> 00:47:13,440
Speaker 3: my back door with my dogs, who I don't have

882
00:47:13,560 --> 00:47:15,759
Speaker 3: to put on a leash. They could go anywhere they

883
00:47:15,800 --> 00:47:18,360
Speaker 3: wanted to. But our dogs stay on the property because

884
00:47:18,360 --> 00:47:20,719
Speaker 3: they're both those kinds of dogs. But they'll go with me,

885
00:47:22,080 --> 00:47:24,360
Speaker 3: and I will leave my house. I'll just walk. I

886
00:47:24,400 --> 00:47:27,120
Speaker 3: can go any direction I want. That's not a typical thing.

887
00:47:27,239 --> 00:47:29,120
Speaker 3: I don't have to go to a certain park or

888
00:47:29,200 --> 00:47:31,880
Speaker 3: take a certain trail or walk around the block at

889
00:47:31,920 --> 00:47:34,400
Speaker 3: my house. This is a blessing. It's a gift that

890
00:47:34,480 --> 00:47:36,520
Speaker 3: we don't that I didn't even think about it first.

891
00:47:37,160 --> 00:47:39,239
Speaker 3: And I can go out and I can I can

892
00:47:39,360 --> 00:47:43,680
Speaker 3: let that be part of my artistic journey. Every one

893
00:47:43,960 --> 00:47:46,840
Speaker 3: of those walks is part of my artistic journey, and

894
00:47:46,880 --> 00:47:50,240
Speaker 3: they're all connected. They could be connected to a zillion songs.

895
00:47:51,200 --> 00:47:54,160
Speaker 3: But this is what happened this year, which this is true.

896
00:47:55,040 --> 00:47:59,320
Speaker 3: I left with the dogs and we're walking out, and

897
00:48:00,120 --> 00:48:06,080
Speaker 3: about halfway through the afternoon, this blue, bright blue dragonfly

898
00:48:07,280 --> 00:48:10,320
Speaker 3: literally came over and flew next to me. Not for

899
00:48:10,400 --> 00:48:12,799
Speaker 3: a long time, but enough time that you could tell

900
00:48:12,840 --> 00:48:14,400
Speaker 3: it was like right there. I don't know if you

901
00:48:14,440 --> 00:48:18,000
Speaker 3: know why, I don't know, but it was there and

902
00:48:18,120 --> 00:48:21,040
Speaker 3: I noticed it, and it didn't really you know, it's beautiful.

903
00:48:21,160 --> 00:48:24,360
Speaker 3: They're there sometimes they're fairly rare, but they're there because

904
00:48:24,400 --> 00:48:26,279
Speaker 3: we have a lot of water. Where were you know.

905
00:48:27,000 --> 00:48:28,759
Speaker 3: I thought that was so cool because you're staying. I'm

906
00:48:28,800 --> 00:48:30,359
Speaker 3: like looking at it, you know, you don't usually get

907
00:48:30,400 --> 00:48:32,560
Speaker 3: these lines getting to look at him. And then he

908
00:48:32,680 --> 00:48:35,200
Speaker 3: was gone and he went off on his way. As

909
00:48:35,280 --> 00:48:39,560
Speaker 3: I'm walking back, I went, wait a second, that is

910
00:48:39,760 --> 00:48:43,560
Speaker 3: really unusual. It has snowed three times already. It is

911
00:48:44,400 --> 00:48:46,680
Speaker 3: late fall. Kind of seemed like to me. I don't

912
00:48:46,719 --> 00:48:48,239
Speaker 3: know how to say that in Wyoming, because you just

913
00:48:48,320 --> 00:48:49,920
Speaker 3: judge it by how bad the weather is, you know

914
00:48:50,000 --> 00:48:53,800
Speaker 3: what I mean. And I went, it has snowed three times,

915
00:48:54,080 --> 00:48:58,160
Speaker 3: which means it has also been freezing cold, multiple days,

916
00:48:58,360 --> 00:49:02,080
Speaker 3: very cold. How in the world did a dragonfly larva

917
00:49:02,400 --> 00:49:05,160
Speaker 3: turn into an adult or how did an adult stay

918
00:49:05,200 --> 00:49:07,400
Speaker 3: alive when that's not how how did that even happen?

919
00:49:07,719 --> 00:49:10,759
Speaker 3: It's kind of magical, you know. Now, that's one of

920
00:49:10,800 --> 00:49:12,799
Speaker 3: the kinds of walks that I took. But that ended

921
00:49:12,920 --> 00:49:16,560
Speaker 3: up being the title of the album, A Dragonfly. So

922
00:49:16,680 --> 00:49:19,680
Speaker 3: this is a memorable walk, but it's it's memorable for

923
00:49:19,840 --> 00:49:22,719
Speaker 3: the title, but it's also memorable for the rarity of it.

924
00:49:23,000 --> 00:49:25,960
Speaker 3: I don't know. I don't think it was anything magic.

925
00:49:26,000 --> 00:49:27,959
Speaker 3: I don't have a big thing about magic. Even working

926
00:49:28,000 --> 00:49:30,680
Speaker 3: with horses, people say horse whisper stuff. I don't think

927
00:49:30,760 --> 00:49:33,480
Speaker 3: that's true necessary. I think it's a poetic way of

928
00:49:33,560 --> 00:49:37,400
Speaker 3: describing something that is pretty black and white and concrete.

929
00:49:37,520 --> 00:49:39,960
Speaker 3: Working with a horse. These things happen, and this is

930
00:49:40,040 --> 00:49:43,160
Speaker 3: why you know by that one. I don't know. I

931
00:49:43,200 --> 00:49:45,239
Speaker 3: don't know how it happened, but it happened. And I

932
00:49:45,360 --> 00:49:47,600
Speaker 3: came back and I said, I wonder if we should

933
00:49:47,600 --> 00:49:53,240
Speaker 3: call this record dragonfly, because what are dragonflies about? Spiritual maturity? Maybe,

934
00:49:53,760 --> 00:49:56,480
Speaker 3: you know, in the same way that butterflies do, they

935
00:49:56,560 --> 00:49:59,640
Speaker 3: go through a metamorphosis. There's there and there's so many

936
00:49:59,719 --> 00:50:02,360
Speaker 3: things you can look in that are said through indigenous

937
00:50:02,560 --> 00:50:04,800
Speaker 3: societies all the way up until right now, you know,

938
00:50:04,960 --> 00:50:08,520
Speaker 3: over in the place where they sell candles, right, So

939
00:50:08,719 --> 00:50:11,560
Speaker 3: that was that was memorable to me because it reflects

940
00:50:11,640 --> 00:50:14,680
Speaker 3: where we are. I also like to say we I

941
00:50:14,760 --> 00:50:17,800
Speaker 3: will leave that with a WII because I don't like

942
00:50:17,920 --> 00:50:20,759
Speaker 3: to say I have an album coming out. I would

943
00:50:20,800 --> 00:50:22,920
Speaker 3: prefer to say we have an album coming out, we

944
00:50:23,040 --> 00:50:25,120
Speaker 3: have a single coming out. And some people go, why

945
00:50:25,160 --> 00:50:28,280
Speaker 3: do you say that? Because the only thing that's different

946
00:50:28,360 --> 00:50:31,360
Speaker 3: is my name is usually the one that's printed in

947
00:50:31,440 --> 00:50:36,040
Speaker 3: the largest type, but every single person who's around it

948
00:50:36,080 --> 00:50:38,160
Speaker 3: has something to do with it. So on that walk

949
00:50:38,560 --> 00:50:40,759
Speaker 3: and on those decisions and what I was doing, I'm

950
00:50:40,880 --> 00:50:44,839
Speaker 3: literally walking with everybody that I know, even though I'm

951
00:50:44,880 --> 00:50:47,600
Speaker 3: by myself. I come back with these kinds of thoughts

952
00:50:48,040 --> 00:50:51,879
Speaker 3: and it happens. It happens a lot. But that's one

953
00:50:51,880 --> 00:50:55,600
Speaker 3: of the most memorable walks recently that I've had for

954
00:50:55,680 --> 00:50:58,759
Speaker 3: a different reason because even then that day, I started going,

955
00:51:00,200 --> 00:51:02,440
Speaker 3: what can I learn from that? You know, what can

956
00:51:02,520 --> 00:51:03,840
Speaker 3: I learn from that? And what are we going to

957
00:51:03,880 --> 00:51:04,520
Speaker 3: record for it?

958
00:51:05,360 --> 00:51:08,080
Speaker 2: And there you go, that's beautiful. Yeah, I love that

959
00:51:08,360 --> 00:51:13,320
Speaker 2: the Dragonfly album is connected to taking a Walk and Buzznight,

960
00:51:13,360 --> 00:51:17,240
Speaker 2: who owns the Taking a Walk podcast, He usually gives

961
00:51:17,520 --> 00:51:20,480
Speaker 2: his guest with a book that says how to take

962
00:51:20,520 --> 00:51:24,440
Speaker 2: a walk, and it guides people on how to focus

963
00:51:24,680 --> 00:51:28,319
Speaker 2: and just stay in check with their surroundings while they

964
00:51:28,400 --> 00:51:30,880
Speaker 2: take a walk. So you're not just walking with your

965
00:51:30,960 --> 00:51:35,280
Speaker 2: mind thinking about other things, but staying present. And definitely

966
00:51:35,680 --> 00:51:38,160
Speaker 2: sounds like you stay present with your walks and you

967
00:51:38,400 --> 00:51:42,080
Speaker 2: are aware of your surroundings and it becomes music based

968
00:51:42,160 --> 00:51:44,080
Speaker 2: on your walks. And I think that's so beautiful.

969
00:51:44,680 --> 00:51:47,279
Speaker 3: Well, I think that can I think that can be

970
00:51:47,360 --> 00:51:50,239
Speaker 3: an aspiration. I don't think I'm skillful enough to never,

971
00:51:50,400 --> 00:51:54,359
Speaker 3: you know, not get lost in my thoughts, but yes,

972
00:51:54,520 --> 00:51:56,440
Speaker 3: I think there is a great deal to find on

973
00:51:56,560 --> 00:51:59,400
Speaker 3: any walk, but especially when you can be out in

974
00:51:59,520 --> 00:52:03,320
Speaker 3: what we call nature walking. You know, walking in the

975
00:52:03,400 --> 00:52:06,840
Speaker 3: mall is still a positive thing, but walking in wyoming

976
00:52:07,680 --> 00:52:09,920
Speaker 3: where there's nothing, and you know, you could just as easily,

977
00:52:10,360 --> 00:52:14,520
Speaker 3: you know, see a bear as anything else that's that's

978
00:52:14,600 --> 00:52:18,080
Speaker 3: as powerful, yeah, or a dragonfly.

979
00:52:18,080 --> 00:52:21,359
Speaker 2: Or a dragonfly yeah, as little we're as small as

980
00:52:21,400 --> 00:52:23,719
Speaker 2: a kid. There you go, let's skip Youing. Thank you

981
00:52:23,840 --> 00:52:26,719
Speaker 2: so much for being on Taking a Walk Nashville today.

982
00:52:26,800 --> 00:52:29,880
Speaker 2: It was a pleasure to learn about your journey and

983
00:52:30,320 --> 00:52:34,200
Speaker 2: we are looking forward to your upcoming album, Dragonfly Awesome

984
00:52:34,280 --> 00:52:34,560
Speaker 2: Me too.

985
00:52:34,719 --> 00:52:35,879
Speaker 3: Let's take another walk soon.

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