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Speaker 1: guys are having a great week. Well, the Golden State
Speaker 1: Warriors finally got a secondary star for Steph Curry as
Speaker 1: Jimmy Butler has been traded from the Miami Heat to
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Speaker 1: So there's still a bunch of details getting worked out,
Speaker 1: but from what I can tell, the Warriors are getting
Speaker 1: Jimmy Butler. Jimmy's agreed to a two year, one hundred
Speaker 1: and twenty one million dollar contract extension as part of
Speaker 1: the deal. The Heat are getting Andrew Wiggins in Peach
Speaker 1: j Tucker. Looks like maybe Kyle Anderson. It looked like
Speaker 1: he was originally heading to the Raptors, but now he's not.
Speaker 1: They're also getting a protected first round pick. There are
Speaker 1: some other moving parts. It looks like Dennis Schroeder is
Speaker 1: getting rerouted to the Jazz, Lindy Waters is getting rerouted
Speaker 1: to the Pistons. I think not sure where Kyle Anderson
Speaker 1: is going. It looks like he might stay with the Heat.
Speaker 1: But the gist of it is Wiggins in a protected
Speaker 1: first round pick to the Heat, Jimmy Butler to the
Speaker 1: Golden State Warriors. The Warriors finally did it. They finally
Speaker 1: brought in a legit secondary star to play alongside Steph Curry.
Speaker 1: There's been this weird energy surrounding the Warriors all year
Speaker 1: one that I've disagreed with and then I've pushed back
Speaker 1: with a pushback against a lot on the show, which
Speaker 1: is that they're just a bad team. And I've watched
Speaker 1: a lot of bad NBA teams, and to me, the
Speaker 1: Warriors aren't one of them. They're well coached, they play
Speaker 1: super hard, They're led by a top fifteen player in
Speaker 1: the league. They have top ten defense. They're super deep
Speaker 1: with role player talent. I was looking at this earlier
Speaker 1: with the recent play of Gie Santos and quintin post.
Speaker 1: I've counted fifteen different players this year that have played
Speaker 1: quality minutes for the Warriors at various times during the year.
Speaker 1: You can actually push that up to sixteen if you
Speaker 1: want to count the Anthony Melton.
Speaker 2: They've reached some really high highs.
Speaker 1: According to Cleaning the Glass, they have eleven wins this
Speaker 1: year against teams that are in the top ten in
Speaker 1: point differential. That's the third most in the entire NBA.
Speaker 1: They have a win against the Celtics. They have two
Speaker 1: wins against the Houston Rockets. They have two wins against
Speaker 1: the Memphis Grizzlies. They have two wins against Oklahoma City Thunder.
Speaker 1: But there's a through line, there's a consistency in that
Speaker 1: story in all but one of those wins against Boston, Houston, Memphis,
Speaker 1: and Oklahoma City, and all but one of them they
Speaker 1: scored at least one hundred and fifteen points. They can
Speaker 1: beat anybody, but they have to score the basketball. In fact,
Speaker 1: here's another crazy stat for you. The Warriors are twenty
Speaker 1: and sixth this year when they score at least one
Speaker 1: hundred and ten points, not one twenty, not some crazy
Speaker 1: high number, when they hit just a baseline of one
Speaker 1: hundred and ten points twenty and six. They are five
Speaker 1: and eighteen when they fail to score one hundred and
Speaker 1: ten points. When the Warriors score, they can beat anyone.
Speaker 1: But the problem is they only have one reliably good
Speaker 1: offensive player on the entire roster. That's Steph Curry. And yes,
Speaker 1: his production has been inconsistent this year, but he still
Speaker 1: gets guarded like Steph Curry. So even on the nights
Speaker 1: where Steph isn't hitting shots and isn't putting up the
Speaker 1: numbers he normally puts up, he's still regularly impacting the
Speaker 1: game offensively in a positive way every single night because
Speaker 1: of his gravity. Because of the way he's guarded, everyone
Speaker 1: else is like a maybe they'll have it tonight kind
Speaker 1: of guy right. Buddy Heald has shot twenty five percent
Speaker 1: or worse from three and twenty two games this year.
Speaker 1: Andrew Wiggins has hit twenty points seventeen times, but he's
Speaker 1: failed to hit fifteen points thirteen times. So there's a
Speaker 1: lot of good Wiggins, and there's a lot of games
Speaker 1: where he just doesn't bring anything offensively. And Jonathan kaminga
Speaker 1: has been just as likely to score twenty or more
Speaker 1: in a game this year as he is to score
Speaker 1: twelve or few. That's inconsistent, but that's not their fault.
Speaker 1: We've never considered Buddy Heal to be this consistently good
Speaker 1: offensive player. We've never considered Andrew Wiggins to be a
Speaker 1: legit second option outside of that one year that him
Speaker 1: and Jordan Poole kind of combined to fill that role
Speaker 1: when they won the title. Johnathan Kaming is twenty two
Speaker 1: years old. It's completely irrational to expect those guys to
Speaker 1: be consistent producers on the offensive end of the floor.
Speaker 1: All of those guys are being asked to do something
Speaker 1: that's frankly above their pay grade. They're role players, and
Speaker 1: role players are always going to have dramatic highs and
Speaker 1: lows when it comes to the grind of the regular
Speaker 1: season because the consistently great offensive players are not role players,
Speaker 1: they're stars. And yet on the nights, when all those
Speaker 1: guys play well and they hit their shots, they have
Speaker 1: a top ten defense and they're led by Steph Curry,
Speaker 1: So yeah, they can beat anybody. That's why I was
Speaker 1: clamoring for this type of deal. You have this short
Speaker 1: little window here where you have Steph Curry on your team,
Speaker 1: a generational t that you might never have again. You
Speaker 1: might literally never have this guy again. Think about the
Speaker 1: way the Lukadancich trade was discussed over the course of
Speaker 1: the last few days. You want to know why MAVs
Speaker 1: fans were pissed. They're like, we might never have a
Speaker 1: player like Lukadancic ever again in the history of the franchise,
Speaker 1: and they feel like.
Speaker 2: They punted him.
Speaker 1: Obviously a little bit different circumstance in terms of the timeline,
Speaker 1: but the point is is, like you have one of
Speaker 1: those guys in Steph Curry, you might never have that
Speaker 1: guy again, or anything even close to him. Potentially, you
Speaker 1: don't just get to have top tier superstars. How many
Speaker 1: of them are there in this league? Four, maybe five
Speaker 1: they're exceedingly rare. You had to give him a fighting shot,
Speaker 1: at least give him a chance, even though it was risky,
Speaker 1: even though it cost you a draft pick. You were
Speaker 1: destined for a rebuild after this era. Anyway, you might
Speaker 1: as well go out with Steph playing in meaningful basketball
Speaker 1: games while you still get to enjoy Steph playing in
Speaker 1: meaningful basketball games. Let's start with the Jimmy Butler angle
Speaker 1: on this first, and then we'll talk about the rest
Speaker 1: of the roster. Jimmy hasn't played in the playoffs since
Speaker 1: twenty twenty three because of that flukey injury he suffered
Speaker 1: in the playing game. If you guys remember, but he
Speaker 1: was a consensus top ten player in the league at
Speaker 1: that point, and he's kind of uniquely viewed as one
Speaker 1: of the few guys in the league that raises his
Speaker 1: level of play when he gets to the postseason. I've
Speaker 1: talked about this before. It's a very simple set of
Speaker 1: circumstances in my opinion. He's big, strong, and fast, which
Speaker 1: means as things get more intense athletically, he can thrive
Speaker 1: in that setting. And then he's super versatile, meaning whatever
Speaker 1: the challenges that's presented him, he can kind of shape
Speaker 1: shift and fill different roles to whatever his team needs,
Speaker 1: and as a result, he just has a higher floor.
Speaker 1: He can change whatever he needs for that specific matchup,
Speaker 1: so there's less situations where his talent doesn't match up
Speaker 1: and more situations where his talent does match up to
Speaker 1: the circumstances, and so he's able to play well. Now,
Speaker 1: he had this ugly falling out with the Miami Heat,
Speaker 1: and that's classic Jimmy. We've seen it before. But I
Speaker 1: expect him to come into Golden State in immediately locked
Speaker 1: back in as a member of the team, and just
Speaker 1: before we get into some of the fit, it's just
Speaker 1: real talent upside. He's still probably one of the top
Speaker 1: fifteen players in the league you'd want to have on
Speaker 1: your team in a playoff series. That's an automatic influx
Speaker 1: of talent. So now let's talk about his fit with
Speaker 1: the team. He's going to have to immediately fill two roles.
Speaker 1: He's going to have to fill that Andrew Wiggins role
Speaker 1: of that primary perimeter defender, but he's also going to
Speaker 1: have to fill that Dennis Schroeder role in terms of
Speaker 1: the guy that's got to be their secondary shot creator.
Speaker 1: When Steph is on the floor and have to lead units.
Speaker 1: When Steph is off the floor, He's going to have
Speaker 1: to be their primary perimeter defensive weapon against the wings
Speaker 1: of the Western Conference.
Speaker 2: Now he is capable of that. Like guys.
Speaker 1: His last playoff series that he played in was in
Speaker 1: the finals, and in Game two he was like the
Speaker 1: only guy I watched in that playoff run that actually
Speaker 1: made Jamal Murray look uncomfortable the job he did chasing
Speaker 1: over the top Jimmy and Bam together actually managing to
Speaker 1: beat that Denver team once when no one else seemed
Speaker 1: to be able to beat him right except for Phoenix.
Speaker 1: So like we've seen him doing it an excellent job
Speaker 1: guarding players on the perimeter in the playoffs. I think
Speaker 1: in the regular season he'll be a slight downgrade from
Speaker 1: Andrew Wiggins, but in high leverage spots he's still one
Speaker 1: of the best defensive.
Speaker 2: Players in the league.
Speaker 1: But then he's also going to have to fill that
Speaker 1: shot creation role that Dennis Field. This is where I
Speaker 1: view him as a massive upgrade like Andrew Wiggins, I
Speaker 1: view with in such highest team on the defensive end
Speaker 1: of the floor. In a big part of Andrew's a
Speaker 1: big part of Jimmy's ability to make this trade worth
Speaker 1: it will be his ability to fill the shoes that
Speaker 1: Andrew Wiggins leaves open on the defensive end of the floor.
Speaker 1: But I do think Jimmy has that talent and that ability.
Speaker 1: It's more just about commitment and his willingness to do
Speaker 1: that amount of work. But I think, at least in
Speaker 1: a postseason context, it's something that I think Jimmy's going
Speaker 1: to be able to live up to. I think he's
Speaker 1: just a massive upgrade over any sort of offensive weapon
Speaker 1: that this team had. Last year, he was one of
Speaker 1: the best matchup attacking players in the NBA. Of the
Speaker 1: twenty four players ran who ran at least three hundred
Speaker 1: ISOs last year, he ranked third in efficiency at one
Speaker 1: point one to three points per possession including passes. He
Speaker 1: was over a point per possession on almost two hundred
Speaker 1: post ups. He was over fifty percent or just under
Speaker 1: fifty percent excuse me, have floaters and hooks. Very gifted passer,
Speaker 1: similar to what I was talking about earlier with Steph.
Speaker 1: Even on the Knights, when Steph isn't hitting shots, he's
Speaker 1: still creating shots with the way that he's guarded. Jimmy
Speaker 1: Butler last year had fifteen games with at least seven assists.
Speaker 1: Andrew Wiggins has had fourteen such games in his entire career.
Speaker 1: That's how much of a playmaking upgrade Jimmy Butler is
Speaker 1: over Andrew Wiggins. It will help them offensively in every
Speaker 1: single way. It'll give him the best two man game
Speaker 1: they've had since Kevin Durant was on the team again.
Speaker 1: Any sort of action involving Steph and Jimmy is going
Speaker 1: to present defenses with a lot of problems because the
Speaker 1: kind of guy who's quick enough and attentive enough to
Speaker 1: guard Steph's very different than the big kind of like Ford.
Speaker 1: You need to deal with a guy like Jimmy Butler.
Speaker 1: So any sort of action between the two of them,
Speaker 1: Jimmy screens for Steph. They're gonna have to put two
Speaker 1: on the ball now, Jimmy's gonna be open. You've got
Speaker 1: a four on three being led by a very very
Speaker 1: good offensive player, better than anybody else that's on the
Speaker 1: roster at this point. Right Jimmy has the ball, Steph
Speaker 1: screens for him. They don't switch to stay with Steph.
Speaker 1: Jimmy's gonna go right downhill, rip to the basket for
Speaker 1: a dunk. If they leave Steph to put two on Jimmy,
Speaker 1: Steph's gonna be wide open poppingto the three point line.
Speaker 1: And now, if Steph and Jimmy run a two man
Speaker 1: game and there's a switch, Jimmy Butler is the type
Speaker 1: of player that has the ability to consistently punish that
Speaker 1: switch in a way that Andrew Wiggins could not. It's
Speaker 1: a massive upgrade there. He's been a knockdown spot up
Speaker 1: shooter for a few years now, like damn near fifty percent.
Speaker 1: It'll give them a much much better chance to survive
Speaker 1: than non Steph minutes. It'll give them a bona fide
Speaker 1: playoff stud to just hang in terms of the talent
Speaker 1: of those environments. And most importantly, it slots all the
Speaker 1: other role players into more achievable roles. As long as
Speaker 1: Steph and Jimmy are both healthy, you'll never have to
Speaker 1: watch a bench unit without a star trying and failing
Speaker 1: to score. As long as those two guys are healthy,
Speaker 1: you won't have to see that. I'm super excited to
Speaker 1: see this group in action. Also, the spot up shoot
Speaker 1: numbers that's based on catch and shoot numbers. He's been
Speaker 1: shooting about fifty percent on catch and shoot jump shots
Speaker 1: for the last couple of years, which is crazy. And
Speaker 1: you still have depth. This is the beauty of having
Speaker 1: fifteen guys that have all played quality minutes for you.
Speaker 2: This year. You kept kaminga.
Speaker 1: You still have Buddy Heal, Trace Jackson, Davis Kavan, Louoni,
Speaker 1: Moses Moody, Gary Payton the second. I'm super excited to
Speaker 1: watch lineups with Jimmy Draymond and Gary Payton all on
Speaker 1: the floor together playing defense. Brandon Potemski is still on
Speaker 1: the roster, Gi Santo's Quinton Post. By my count, you
Speaker 1: still have eleven guys who can play quality minutes in
Speaker 1: the NBA, and now you have them all in more
Speaker 1: achievable roles. Not to mention, you just have a stronger
Speaker 1: foundation this summer. If you're if there's some other hole
Speaker 1: in the roster that appears over the course the next
Speaker 1: couple months and you want to try to round it
Speaker 1: out this summer. Now you have a stronger foundation with
Speaker 1: Steph Raymond and Jimmy as opposed to just Stephan Draymond.
Speaker 1: The Warriors are currently two and a half games out
Speaker 1: of the sixth seed. Do I think they're gonna climb
Speaker 1: to the top of the conference. No, I mean they
Speaker 1: have a chance to get out of the plane. But like,
Speaker 1: they're not gonna be some dominant team in the Western Conference.
Speaker 2: But now when you face the.
Speaker 1: Warriors in a playoff series, it's contending with Steph Draymond
Speaker 1: and Jimmy Butler. You've changed the entire challenge of trying
Speaker 1: to overcome the talent that the Golden State Warriors have
Speaker 1: on the table. This is again when you're in a
Speaker 1: situation like the Warriors are in where you're a little
Speaker 1: bit strapped for assets, where the types of salaries you
Speaker 1: have to match. Like before the deal, I think they
Speaker 1: had six guys that make between five and ten million.
Speaker 1: That makes it really hard to aggregate salaries without giving
Speaker 1: up a ton of players. They were in a tough spot.
Speaker 1: There was no perfect deal. There was nothing out there
Speaker 1: that was gonna magically turn them into some top tier contender.
Speaker 1: But you went from a team that had no shot
Speaker 1: because they didn't have the shot creation talent necessary to
Speaker 1: actually contend to now you there's a chance there. Now
Speaker 1: I can see Steph and Jimmy in a playoff series
Speaker 1: and the defense comes together. This is a top ten defense.
Speaker 1: You can imagine a lineup with Steph next to Gary Payton,
Speaker 1: with Jimmy on the floor, Jonathan Minga and Draymond and
Speaker 1: you're like, there's actually a good amount of talent, athleticism,
Speaker 1: defensive talent, guys that can score the basketball on the floor.
Speaker 1: That's a lineup that might cause some problems for teams,
Speaker 1: Whereas we've seen too often this year, like if you
Speaker 1: just guard the Warriors, well, they probably aren't gonna make
Speaker 1: any shots and you'll probably beat them. It just gives
Speaker 1: you an upside that wasn't there before. And I just
Speaker 1: really wanted to see Steph playing some more meaningful basketball games,
Speaker 1: and I'm really really excited that we're going to get
Speaker 1: to see that. I think this was probably the perfect
Speaker 1: outcome for the Miami Heat. Andrew Wiggins is a really
Speaker 1: high level role player. In the same way that he's
Speaker 1: like underqualified for what the Golden State Warriors needed from him,
Speaker 1: he's overqualified for what the Miami Heat need from it,
Speaker 1: and that's a good thing. I think he's a top
Speaker 1: tier perimeter defender in this league. He's got the speed
Speaker 1: to guard guards and the size of guard wings. I'm
Speaker 1: super excited to see him in lineups next to Bam
Speaker 1: and kill el ware like that could be frightening to
Speaker 1: deal with defensively. But most importantly, you turned a malcontent
Speaker 1: who is actively trying to sabotage your season into a
Speaker 1: really high level role player that plays the same position,
Speaker 1: and you got a first round pick out of it.
Speaker 1: Too hard not to view that as a massive win
Speaker 1: for the Miami Heat compared to the alternative. The alternative
Speaker 1: is your max contract player is just actively trying to
Speaker 1: mess up everything that you're trying to do. Now you
Speaker 1: can move on see what this group is capable of.
Speaker 1: I think there's an obvious offensive ceiling on a team
Speaker 1: that's led by Terry Rogier, Duncan Robinson, Tyler harrowbam Adebayo.
Speaker 1: There's an obvious offensive limitation there. But now you have
Speaker 1: the actual type of top end athletic personnel on the
Speaker 1: wing to anchor your frontline and give yourself a defensive
Speaker 1: ceiling that wasn't there before, or at least wasn't there
Speaker 1: because Jimmy Butler wasn't playing. So I mean, I think
Speaker 1: if you really compare it to some of the other
Speaker 1: deals that were getting floated around out there. I think
Speaker 1: this one actually made the most sense for them in
Speaker 1: terms of increasing their potential in the short and the
Speaker 1: long term. All right, guys, that's all I have for tonight. Again,
Speaker 1: as I said, I'm going to get much deeper into
Speaker 1: the trade deadline tomorrow. I'll get into a bunch of
Speaker 1: other storylines. As always, a sincerely appreciate you guys for
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