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Speaker 1: Buck Show welcome in Monday after Thanksgiving. Addition, probably some

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Speaker 2: I had an awesome time. Buck had an awesome time.

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Speaker 2: Right now, and that is hard right now that there

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Speaker 2: I know we have a lot of Venezuelan listeners, A

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Speaker 1: We got a two for one special here today. Thank

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Speaker 7: Hey, guys, great to be with you. This is Mike

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Speaker 1: He's got a big space national.

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Speaker 7: Election tomorrow, as you'll know, and we're gonna win this

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Speaker 1: We absolutely have to. Mister Speaker, tell us what you're seeing,

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Speaker 8: They know.

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Speaker 2: We're talking with Speaker of the House Mike Johnson. They

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Speaker 2: I know President Trump called in this morning. I believe

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Speaker 1: I will be voting.

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Speaker 2: This is my district in the Nashville area, so we

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Speaker 2: I think we have the speaker tell them the call back,

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Speaker 2: But you heard Speaker of the House Mike Johnson there.

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Speaker 2: And again the fact that we have the President calling

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Speaker 1: Again. Election day is tomorrow in this district, and they

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Speaker 1: And that's a challenge, that's a little bit different. And

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Speaker 1: I want everybody in Tennessee seven to get out and

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Speaker 1: support Matt Van Epps. Why is the president involved? Why

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Speaker 7: Well, this district is really does count for the whole country.

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Speaker 9: You know.

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Speaker 7: I've presided over some of the slimmest majorities, the delivered

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Speaker 2: Let's let's bring in the future congressman. I believe he'll

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Speaker 2: if they're in this district, Matt, what would you tell

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Speaker 2: Because it's still a new district. How do you find

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Speaker 9: Now, the information is on our website, Matt fortn dot com,

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Speaker 9: Matt fo rtn dot com. We've got all the election information.

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Speaker 9: Folks can find out where their polling location is. Links

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Speaker 4: We are up right now.

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Speaker 9: And we're gonna win when everybody gets out tomorrow. The

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Speaker 1: Matt. Why is it that whenever I am perusing as

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Speaker 1: this seat from you. What's going on? It's it's like

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Speaker 9: Well, it's the only country. It's the only race going

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Speaker 9: They have Jasmine Crockett and a bunch of the far

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Speaker 9: that when folks get out and vote for us tomorrow.

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Speaker 9: I mean, you know, my opponent has been endorsed by

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Speaker 9: the socialist agenda. We cannot let that happen. And when

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Speaker 9: folks join our team, when all the Republicans, all of

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Speaker 2: They were telling me guys that you guys have a

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Speaker 2: Speaker of the House Mike Johnson. And also, I believe

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Speaker 1: What is that connection in Army Navy? What's your bet here?

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Speaker 7: Yeah, look, I'm gonna be with the President and the suite.

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Speaker 7: My son is a sophomore at the Naval Academy, but

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Speaker 1: Well, that's going to be an awesome event. I'm excited.

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Speaker 2: The President's going to be there, speaking of which, I

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Speaker 2: don't know if you've waited on this, Speaker of the House,

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Speaker 2: Mike Johnson, Lane Kiffin, I bet Buck has even seen this.

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Speaker 2: It swept the nation. Lane Kiffin has left the old

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Speaker 2: Miss Rebels. He is now the LSU head football coach.

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Speaker 2: He's being introduced this afternoon. Huge story there. What's your

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Speaker 1: For sure?

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Speaker 7: Well, you know, I'm a double alum from LSU undergrad

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Speaker 7: Do I need the lobby Kiffin? And they said no,

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Speaker 4: Guys.

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Speaker 7: I used to think Speaker of the House is the

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Speaker 7: most stressful job in the world, but it's really sec

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Speaker 7: football coach. You know that you gotta win every Saturday.

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Speaker 7: Every Saturday it's on the line. So best wishes to him.

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Speaker 2: It's going to be great in co Tigers, we got

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Speaker 2: Let's come back to the Tennessee seventh there and I

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Speaker 2: know we had you on last week, Matt van Apps.

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Speaker 2: Can you tell everybody out there give us a rough

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Speaker 2: eye of the communities in this district because again a

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Speaker 2: lot of people may not know, and Republicans have to

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Speaker 2: battle Democrats who are gonna show up no matter what

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Speaker 2: the race is. They show up in these special elections

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Speaker 2: and big numbers We've got to make sure our people

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Speaker 2: know about this race tomorrow and also know if they're

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Speaker 2: in the district.

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Speaker 4: Absolutely.

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Speaker 9: And so we've got fourteen counties and it stretches. We've

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Speaker 9: got downtown Nashville. I love Nashville, by the way, I

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Speaker 9: love country music, and you know, and it stretches up

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Speaker 9: to Fort where Fort Campbell is Clarksville. I lived in

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Speaker 9: Clarksville for five years when I served in the one

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Speaker 9: sixties Special Operations Aviation Regiment. Montgomery County is a great county.

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Speaker 9: We've got part of Williamson down to Franklin, and then

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Speaker 9: our western Borderer, Benton, Indicator, Stuart, Montgomery and Robertson. On

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Speaker 9: the north, we have Houston, Humphreys, Perry and Wayne, Hickman, Dixon, Cheatham, and.

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Speaker 4: It's just a bunch.

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Speaker 9: Of amazing locations. We you know, we've got great rural

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Speaker 9: farmers are so important to us. We're just leaving an

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Speaker 9: event in Robertson County. We're going to one in Cheatham

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Speaker 9: County and that that will be top of our list.

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Speaker 9: Hardworking families, military veterans, folks that are active duty, National Guard,

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Speaker 9: law enforcement, just amazing communities across our fourteen counties, and

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Speaker 9: we're gonna be working hard every single day for every

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Speaker 9: one of those communities.

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Speaker 1: What is the craziest stuff that people should know in

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Speaker 1: your district about your opponent Afton Vaine. I know you

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Speaker 1: have a lot to draw on here. Some of the

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Speaker 1: quotes alone are particularly memorable. That's one thing you could say.

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Speaker 1: But in terms of positions, in terms of what she represents,

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Speaker 1: if you were to give me a top three Afton

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Speaker 1: Bine hit list, what would be on it? Because it's

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Speaker 1: pretty extraordinary from what I can just pull off the

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Speaker 1: top of my head.

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Speaker 4: Sure.

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Speaker 9: Well, in the you know, I alluded to the fact that,

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Speaker 9: you know, she's saying that she hates Nashville, the you know,

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Speaker 9: part of the district that she wants to represent. But

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Speaker 9: it goes much further than that. She wants to defund

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Speaker 9: the police. There's a whole anti law enforcement bucket. She

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Speaker 9: wants to defund the police, she wants to abolish prisons.

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Speaker 9: She was out as a sitting state legislator filming herself

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Speaker 9: bullying and harassing ice in the Tennessee Highway Patrol, which

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Speaker 9: is just unbelievable. It's disqualifying. So there's a whole bucket there,

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Speaker 9: she wants transgender surgery for minors without parental consent, believes

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Speaker 9: that men can get pregnant, and just you know, crazy.

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Speaker 9: And I think the other piece too is she wants

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Speaker 9: to do and hire taxes to fund her socialist agenda

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Speaker 9: that will skyrocket our cost of living. They're just policies

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Speaker 9: that are not good and don't make sense for the

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Speaker 9: Tennessee seventh Congressional district. They don't make sense for Tennessee

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Speaker 9: or America.

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Speaker 2: Do you have a sense You mentioned that I don't

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Speaker 2: know how good a data you guys get on who's

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Speaker 2: turning out. For instance, you can join me tomorrow and

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Speaker 2: go vote on election day. Do you have a sense

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Speaker 2: on how the numbers look on the early voting? You

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Speaker 2: mentioned that you feel confident. What kind of data do

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Speaker 2: you have out there? Obviously we want everybody showing up

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Speaker 2: on election day in huge numbers, making sure this crazy

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Speaker 2: chick Afton Bain isn't elected in Tennessee seven. But what

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Speaker 2: kind of data have you seen on early turnouts so far?

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Speaker 2: Do you have access to that info?

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Speaker 9: We do. We've got some some polling data and we're

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Speaker 9: we're up, but we're we want to be up by

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Speaker 9: a by a lot. And that's what happens when people

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Speaker 9: put on the jersey, get on the field tomorrow and

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Speaker 9: go and vote, and we'll win decisively when when that happens.

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Speaker 9: We had we had a really good early voting outcome

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Speaker 9: and that's great, but we want to leave nothing to chance.

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Speaker 9: We want every single person to get out tomorrow and

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Speaker 9: vote if they haven't voted again. Our websites Matt fortn

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Speaker 9: dot com for more information, Matt fo r TN dot com.

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Speaker 9: They can find out their polling location. The times the

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Speaker 9: polls will be open. Most are so an am to

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Speaker 9: seven pm, but that varies in a few locations. And

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Speaker 9: you know, we just need we need fights, folks to

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Speaker 9: fight through the any cold or weather tomorrow because every

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Speaker 9: single vote matters in this and it's for the direction

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Speaker 9: of our country and so we need every vote and

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Speaker 9: folks to be safe, have a plan, get out there

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Speaker 9: and vote.

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Speaker 2: As I'm watching Buck, MSNBC is leading with this race.

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Speaker 2: They're telling their people to go out and vote if

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Speaker 2: they're watching MSNBC. CNN has been talking about it a

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Speaker 2: ton Buck, anything else you want to hit the duo with.

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Speaker 1: Well, I just hope that you guys pull home, bring

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Speaker 1: home rather the w because this is an important one

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Speaker 1: and I don't want to see anything but tears among

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Speaker 1: the MSNB. I'm sorry, ms now commentariot. So it's all

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Speaker 1: in your hands, gentlemen.

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Speaker 7: Well, no pressure, right, But the peril of a special election,

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Speaker 7: especially in a deep red district like this, is that

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Speaker 7: everybody just assumes that a Republican like Matt is going

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Speaker 7: to win, but it is not guaranteed. You have to

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Speaker 7: get out and vote. We're expecting a little inclement weather

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Speaker 7: here tomorrow. It may be cold, maybe rainy, I don't know, sleep,

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Speaker 7: but you've got to go out and do that patriotic

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Speaker 7: House we can keep moving to trumpet agenda and the

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Speaker 7: America First Agenda forward. So thanks to everybody. The former

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Speaker 7: member here was Mark Greens, who if you lived in

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Speaker 7: we're counting on you.

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Speaker 2: I'll be there Congressman hopefully tomorrow will be celebrating that.

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Speaker 2: And Speaker Mike Johnson, we appreciate the time. Good luck

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Speaker 7: Go Tigers. Appreciate you guys, thanks for all the help.

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Speaker 1: This is a really interesting story and it's gotten a

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Speaker 1: lot of attention because not just the immigration implications of

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Speaker 1: inaction when he was governor of Minnesota. This guy's at

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Speaker 1: buffoon and Minnesota has unfortunately been going in a very

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Speaker 1: bad direction as a state for a long time. Now

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Speaker 1: it's getting more and more left wing, more and more radical,

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Speaker 1: and a part of that radicalization is the Somali community,

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Speaker 1: which is now approaching one hundred thousand people in Minneapolis.

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Speaker 1: Minnesota is not that big as a state, so that's

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Speaker 1: a pretty considerable voting block. And what we have here,

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Speaker 1: mister Clay New York Times piece how fraud swamped Minnesota's

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Speaker 1: social services system on Tim Walls's watch. This was just

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Speaker 1: the fraud is staggering in its scope, over a billion

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Speaker 1: dollars in taxpayer money. Scores of people involved, almost all

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Speaker 1: of them Somali and some are naturalized, some are born here,

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Speaker 1: but all from the Somali community in Minnesota. And they

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Speaker 1: that they that were feeding It was a lot of

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Speaker 1: pretending to be running charities feeding hungry children. They pretended

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Speaker 1: cars and things like that. Just the most egregious fraud,

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Speaker 1: a most egregious theft from the government. It's a whole scheme.

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Speaker 1: Clay the detail where another Somali in this case a doctor,

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Speaker 1: was having parents claim that their kids were autistic and

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Speaker 1: getting kickbacks from that. I mean, just whatever they could

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Speaker 1: do to steal from the system they were doing. They

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Speaker 1: were doing it ruthlessly, remorselessly, continuously. In some individual cases.

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Speaker 1: He's talking about just tens of millions of dollars. And

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Speaker 1: people were asking a lot of questions, like, first of all,

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Speaker 1: have this happen and not figure it out soon. Part

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Speaker 1: of it, I think is that the Somali community there

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Speaker 1: is an important voting block now for Democrats. And there's

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Speaker 1: also this oh anything that you're going like, you can't

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Speaker 1: prosecute all the fraud in the Somali community because it's racist,

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Speaker 1: because it's all Somali's doing the fraud. That's another thing

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Speaker 1: that comes up here. It's a mess. And you know,

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Speaker 1: Tim Walls was the VP candidate for Democrats the last

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Speaker 1: go round. I don't think he's going to be the

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Speaker 1: VP this time around. I can tell you that.

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Speaker 4: Well.

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Speaker 2: I think the biggest thing to me that stands out

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Speaker 2: is if the government's being defrauded by billions of dollars

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Speaker 2: and doesn't have any idea it's going on, we're failing.

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Speaker 1: I mean the government.

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Speaker 2: And again this is not going to shock people, but

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Speaker 2: that this is likely not the only fraud that is

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Speaker 2: going on anywhere near its size, probably happening all over

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Speaker 2: the place. But this idea that we have been told,

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Speaker 2: and I do think it's a real national debate that

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Speaker 2: we should have this idea that we've been told that

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Speaker 2: all of these what is it, fifty three million immigrants

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Speaker 2: a substantial way and are not a drain on resources.

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Speaker 2: I think is just a lie. And I believe in immigration.

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Speaker 2: I believe in treating immigration. The analogy that I would

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Speaker 2: use is, I want the lottery picks. I want the

655
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Speaker 2: first round draft picks of the world. I want the

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Speaker 2: most brilliant, the most highly educated, the smartest people of

657
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Speaker 2: other countries. I think bringing them here and allowing American

658
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Speaker 2: ingenuity to combine with their hard work and their meritocracy.

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Speaker 1: That's a good thing for the country. I buy into that.

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Speaker 1: But the idea that we have low skilled, low wage

661
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Speaker 1: people from countries that don't have any sort of connection

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Speaker 1: at all, I think this is really what this about

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Speaker 1: buck Western civilization in general, that don't have any commitment

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Speaker 1: to shared civilizational aspects that have basically dragged us out

665
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Speaker 1: of a desolate history into modern wealth and prominence. If

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Speaker 1: you're not embracing Western civilization, why should we have you here?

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Speaker 1: And I think that's a real question that's getting asked.

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Speaker 2: And I think the difference is people say, well, what

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Speaker 2: happened with Ellis Island and all those things. Most of

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Speaker 2: the people who came in through Ellis Island, they were

671
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Speaker 2: from Italy, they were from Germany, they were from Ireland.

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Speaker 2: They had a commitment to the ideals of Western civilization

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Speaker 2: in a way that a lot of the people were

674
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Speaker 2: bringing in today do not. In fact, many of them

675
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Speaker 2: reject Western civilization as a good thing.

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Speaker 1: And also, thirty percent of the people who came through

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Speaker 1: Ellis Island went home because there was no welfare state,

678
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Speaker 1: because there was no office to go to where you

679
00:36:07,600 --> 00:36:09,800
Speaker 1: could say, hey, just start giving me my free stuff.

680
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Speaker 1: Where's my free housing, where's my free food and healthcare?

681
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Speaker 1: Where's all my free stuff? There was no Office of

682
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Speaker 1: free Stuff back then, and so some people realize that

683
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Speaker 1: it's actually really hard to make it in this country.

684
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Speaker 1: Yes there's opportunity, but opportunity comes with risk and cost.

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Speaker 1: And they went home, they went back to their country

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Speaker 1: of origin. At a time when the journey here was

687
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Speaker 1: our juice, expensive and difficult, we don't have that anymore

688
00:36:33,840 --> 00:36:39,080
Speaker 1: because we've become the world soup kitchen, and effectively increasingly

689
00:36:39,120 --> 00:36:42,360
Speaker 1: we are like an economic zone for people who just

690
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Speaker 1: want to live at the expense of everybody else. And

691
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Speaker 1: that's a huge problem. And this is what has really

692
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Speaker 1: turned i think the mindset of the American people right

693
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Speaker 1: now clay against so much of this. Our generosity as

694
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Speaker 1: a people, as Americans has been exploited and mocked by

695
00:37:01,600 --> 00:37:04,879
Speaker 1: the actions of people who have come here, claiming fake

696
00:37:04,920 --> 00:37:08,160
Speaker 1: asylum in huge numbers when they cross our border, illegally,

697
00:37:09,200 --> 00:37:13,160
Speaker 1: scamming our immigration system in every way possible, playing all

698
00:37:13,239 --> 00:37:17,600
Speaker 1: these different games to get access to resources, resources that

699
00:37:17,640 --> 00:37:20,279
Speaker 1: are taken from all of you, and taken out of

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Speaker 1: your paycheck. If you are an American listening to this

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00:37:22,560 --> 00:37:24,640
Speaker 1: who pays taxes, which I know most of you are,

702
00:37:25,680 --> 00:37:27,960
Speaker 1: that money is taken from you and given to others,

703
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Speaker 1: and the scams need to stop. Other countries would not

704
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Speaker 1: put up with this at all, And we just have

705
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Speaker 1: to be at a place where we can have honest

706
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Speaker 1: conversations like, Okay, if we're going to have a big

707
00:37:39,520 --> 00:37:44,359
Speaker 1: problem with the Somali community stealing from Americans, we need

708
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Speaker 1: to look at how many more Somalus you want in

709
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Speaker 1: the American family through our immigration system. This is just

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Speaker 1: the way it has to be.

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Speaker 2: I just I look at it and say, if you

712
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Speaker 2: are coming in and you are immediately going on welfare

713
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Speaker 2: and support, you shouldn't be admitted to this country. I mean,

714
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Speaker 2: it's actually a violation of immigrant that's an a violation

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Speaker 2: of immigration law Clay.

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Speaker 1: It's just not enforced. You are not allowed to immigrate

717
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Speaker 1: to this country and become a public charge and get

718
00:38:11,719 --> 00:38:15,520
Speaker 1: any public benefits. But states like California and New York

719
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Speaker 1: they do it at the state level. They com mingle

720
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Speaker 1: federal funds. So it's a lot like the whole thing

721
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Speaker 1: is a lie. We're told oh, don't worry, we won't

722
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Speaker 1: have people who are welfare cases coming here, tons of

723
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Speaker 1: welfare cases. Fifty five percent of immigrant households get welfare.

724
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean that to me should be a non

725
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Speaker 2: starter on space, and I'm sure most of you out

726
00:38:33,120 --> 00:38:37,200
Speaker 2: there listening are nodding along. We take care of people

727
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Speaker 2: as best we can who are citizens of this country,

728
00:38:40,120 --> 00:38:43,000
Speaker 2: but people who are not citizens of this country are

729
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Speaker 2: coming in and they are taking away benefits that would

730
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Speaker 2: otherwise be going to citizens. They're frankly, we're thirty eight

731
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Speaker 2: trillion dollars in debt. They are helping to run up

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Speaker 2: the national debt in a significant way. I just I

733
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Speaker 2: don't even look at this as a remotely partisan related question.

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Speaker 2: If you told me right now I run a company, Hey,

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Speaker 2: if you're going to hire these people, they're going to

736
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Speaker 2: cost you money and they're not going to make you

737
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Speaker 2: any money, would you bring them into your company? My

738
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Speaker 2: answer would be no. I don't see this as a

739
00:39:15,080 --> 00:39:18,680
Speaker 2: difficult call. We should run the country like a company

740
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Speaker 2: when it comes to immigration. Are we bringing in people

741
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Speaker 2: who are net benefits to the country that are going

742
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Speaker 2: to be huge job creators, that are going to be

743
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Speaker 2: huge access to this country. The answer is yes, I

744
00:39:30,040 --> 00:39:33,120
Speaker 2: want them here, right, that's a meritocratic system. If we

745
00:39:33,160 --> 00:39:35,560
Speaker 2: get the most brilliant minds around the world and they

746
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Speaker 2: want to come here and create jobs and have better

747
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Speaker 2: outcomes than they could in their country, that's what we

748
00:39:42,239 --> 00:39:45,440
Speaker 2: should be doing. I mean, the intellectual first round draft

749
00:39:45,440 --> 00:39:48,840
Speaker 2: picks of the world. I want them here. But people

750
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Speaker 2: who are going to steal, and people who are going

751
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Speaker 2: to be wards of the state, and people with no

752
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Speaker 2: substantial educational background and value. I just I don't see

753
00:39:59,040 --> 00:40:03,120
Speaker 2: in any way how this is beneficial to the United States.

754
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Speaker 2: And again I go back to culture. The older I

755
00:40:07,200 --> 00:40:10,240
Speaker 2: get Buck, the more I'm convinced that culture determines everything.

756
00:40:10,640 --> 00:40:13,280
Speaker 2: The culture that you create, whether it's in your company,

757
00:40:13,320 --> 00:40:15,680
Speaker 2: whether it's in your state, whether it's in your country,

758
00:40:16,000 --> 00:40:18,560
Speaker 2: dictates the outcome that you're going to get. One of

759
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Speaker 2: my favorite quotes from a coach is we recruit our problems.

760
00:40:24,280 --> 00:40:27,319
Speaker 2: United States is recruiting our problems. If you go out

761
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Speaker 2: and you bring in people with bad culture and bad backgrounds,

762
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Speaker 2: they're not.

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Speaker 1: Going to be net benefits to the country. I mean,

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Speaker 1: this is just very basic stuff for anybody who's ever

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Speaker 1: been involved in management at all. If you bring in

766
00:40:39,680 --> 00:40:43,280
Speaker 1: toxic employees, you create a toxic culture inside of your company,

767
00:40:43,320 --> 00:40:46,879
Speaker 1: inside of your workplace. If we're bringing in toxicity, we're

768
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Speaker 1: creating a more toxic environment than would otherwise exist. In

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Speaker 1: the United States, particularly when it's not committed to basic

770
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Speaker 1: Western values of civilization that have propelled us to the

771
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Speaker 1: success that we have today. We actually have the opposite

772
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Speaker 1: of what you're talking about, which is we have a

773
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Speaker 1: system where we take as many people from the Third World,

774
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Speaker 1: from poor countries, through chain migration, through asylum scams, through

775
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Speaker 1: all of this. That's a huge portion of our immigration system,

776
00:41:16,400 --> 00:41:19,680
Speaker 1: legal and illegal. And one of the challenges that I

777
00:41:19,719 --> 00:41:21,839
Speaker 1: think now the country is willing to finally look at

778
00:41:22,040 --> 00:41:25,279
Speaker 1: and be honest about, is there are going to be

779
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Speaker 1: some countries that are predominantly non white countries where you're

780
00:41:29,000 --> 00:41:31,680
Speaker 1: not going to take a lot of immigrants because the

781
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Speaker 1: objective criteria that you have set for immigrants will not

782
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Speaker 1: be met by people from those countries. And that has

783
00:41:38,239 --> 00:41:40,440
Speaker 1: not been the case in America for a long time.

784
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Speaker 1: We've been taking whatever bring us your war torn, your impoverished,

785
00:41:45,400 --> 00:41:49,239
Speaker 1: your illiterate, and your culturally backwards. That has become the

786
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Speaker 1: American immigration policy de facto for decades now, and the

787
00:41:55,239 --> 00:41:59,359
Speaker 1: consequences are becoming clear. And I think President Trump saying, hey,

788
00:41:59,480 --> 00:42:02,880
Speaker 1: let's pause. And this is not new this. You know,

789
00:42:02,880 --> 00:42:04,000
Speaker 1: if you're a student of history.

790
00:42:04,000 --> 00:42:06,680
Speaker 2: One hundred years ago people said, hey, I think we've

791
00:42:06,680 --> 00:42:09,560
Speaker 2: had too much immigration in the United States. We need

792
00:42:09,560 --> 00:42:13,719
Speaker 2: to pause and allow what's already happened to occur, to

793
00:42:13,840 --> 00:42:18,840
Speaker 2: allow that sort of melting pot to occur. The problem is, again,

794
00:42:18,920 --> 00:42:20,920
Speaker 2: I come back to culture. If you don't have similar

795
00:42:20,920 --> 00:42:23,719
Speaker 2: cultural values to someone else and you try to come

796
00:42:23,760 --> 00:42:26,239
Speaker 2: to this country, you're going to import the culture of

797
00:42:26,280 --> 00:42:30,480
Speaker 2: the Third World asposed to the culture of Western civilization.

798
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Speaker 1: And I don't think that's good. I mean, I'm sorry,

799
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Speaker 1: I just I look around that.

800
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Speaker 2: I say, you know, I think one of the great

801
00:42:37,680 --> 00:42:40,160
Speaker 2: lies that many of us were taught was diversity is

802
00:42:40,160 --> 00:42:40,720
Speaker 2: our strength.

803
00:42:41,280 --> 00:42:44,800
Speaker 1: I actually don't think diversity is a strength.

804
00:42:44,840 --> 00:42:48,400
Speaker 2: Diversity of thought can be a strength if you apply it,

805
00:42:48,440 --> 00:42:52,600
Speaker 2: and the best ideas win, but just diversity itself as

806
00:42:52,640 --> 00:42:57,000
Speaker 2: somehow a positive outcome or goal. Diversity of thought is

807
00:42:57,000 --> 00:43:00,800
Speaker 2: the only diversity that matters. There's also zero oracle, precedent

808
00:43:00,920 --> 00:43:01,759
Speaker 2: or basis.

809
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Speaker 1: To believe that having a huge number of people in

810
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Speaker 1: a country not from that country, speaking three hundred different languages,

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Speaker 1: of all different religions, of all different Uh, you know

812
00:43:12,640 --> 00:43:16,600
Speaker 1: political belief systems, is going to result in a cohesive

813
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Speaker 1: nation state. Yeah, over the long run, there's zero. There's

814
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Speaker 1: just zero. In fact, there's a lot of evidence all

815
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816
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Speaker 1: So now we're starting to have to face up to

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Speaker 2: Welcome back in Clay Travis buck Sexton Show. Appreciate all

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Speaker 2: of you hanging out with us. A lot of you

851
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Speaker 2: coming out of Thanksgiving holiday. Maybe there were conversations that

852
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Speaker 2: you had with people who hated President Trump. Maybe you've

853
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Speaker 2: had had them in the past over the last decade.

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Speaker 2: Maybe you have friends and family that you have lost

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Speaker 2: potentially because they have become so deranged when it comes

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Speaker 2: to President Trump and the way that they see him.

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Speaker 2: I read in the Wall Street Journal a great write

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Speaker 2: up on Trump derangement syndrome from our current guest, Jonathan

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Speaker 2: Albert as almost its own psychiatric psychological diagnosis, and we said, okay,

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Speaker 2: we got to get this guy on and he is

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Speaker 2: now with us. This is Jonathan Albert. I loved your piece.

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Speaker 2: For people who have not read it. You're a psychotherapy

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Speaker 2: New York and DC, and you've got a book called

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Speaker 2: Therapy Nation about all the different aspects of therapy going on.

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Speaker 2: But when you see people who, it appears, frankly, do

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Speaker 2: have Trump arrangement syndrome, is that a real thing? Kind

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Speaker 2: of take people through the argument that you made in

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Speaker 2: the Wall Street Journal editorial.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, and Clay, great to be here. It's not a

870
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Speaker 8: real thing. However, it probably should be a real thing.

871
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Speaker 8: But I don't think we'll ever see it in the DSM,

872
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Speaker 8: which is sort of the Bible of psychiatric disorders in

873
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Speaker 8: my profession, but what I have seen is quite troubling.

874
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Speaker 8: We're seeing families split up. We've seeing people obsessed with Trump.

875
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Speaker 8: They're hyper fixated on Trump, and frankly is ruining their

876
00:46:49,080 --> 00:46:51,200
Speaker 8: mental health. And I would go so far as to

877
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Speaker 8: call it a in some ways a mental health epidemic

878
00:46:54,920 --> 00:46:58,839
Speaker 8: that's focused or revolves around Trump. And I don't care

879
00:46:58,840 --> 00:47:02,439
Speaker 8: if it's Trump or or Harris or anyone. If you're

880
00:47:02,560 --> 00:47:06,319
Speaker 8: that hyper fixated on a figure, you need to check

881
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Speaker 8: in with a therapist.

882
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Speaker 4: Someone like me.

883
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Speaker 1: Now Jonathan appreciates you being with us. It's buck the

884
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Speaker 1: what would be the the things to look for where

885
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Speaker 1: someone I mean you said things like hyper fixated? You know,

886
00:47:22,200 --> 00:47:24,960
Speaker 1: what are some of the the red lines that somebody

887
00:47:25,000 --> 00:47:27,200
Speaker 1: would want to look at where something goes from just

888
00:47:27,239 --> 00:47:33,160
Speaker 1: being a very perhaps over zealous belief or very over

889
00:47:33,280 --> 00:47:37,520
Speaker 1: zealous thoughts about in this case of politician, to where

890
00:47:37,520 --> 00:47:41,040
Speaker 1: it actually is clinical. Because what I see myself as

891
00:47:41,120 --> 00:47:45,080
Speaker 1: a non medical, non psychoanalyst is a lot of people

892
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Speaker 1: who have a bizarre, irrational and really delusional fear themselves personally.

893
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Speaker 1: Like I know people who lose, truly lose sleep at night.

894
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Speaker 1: I mean they've told me this because they're worried that

895
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Speaker 1: Trump is going to just pull them off, Like Trump

896
00:48:00,640 --> 00:48:02,920
Speaker 1: is going to have people pull them off the street

897
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Speaker 1: and throw them into a cell somewhere for no reason.

898
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Speaker 1: Like how different is that from somebody who's agoraphobic or something.

899
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Speaker 8: Yeah, and Buckett's it's not too different if you're at

900
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Speaker 8: the point where you are losing sleep over our president,

901
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Speaker 8: or if you, like some of my patients can't enjoy

902
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Speaker 8: a vacation because quote, how can I possibly relax and

903
00:48:25,200 --> 00:48:29,640
Speaker 8: enjoy a vacation knowing that Trump's in office. You're sick,

904
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Speaker 8: You've got issues. And similar to other mental health issues

905
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Speaker 8: that we see, whether it's OCD or anxiety disorders, it

906
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Speaker 8: disrupts a person's life. It appairs relationships, whether it's romantic

907
00:48:42,320 --> 00:48:46,960
Speaker 8: relationships or work relationships or friendships. This is when it

908
00:48:47,080 --> 00:48:50,719
Speaker 8: rises to the level of patholgic And that's where I

909
00:48:50,880 --> 00:48:54,200
Speaker 8: become greatly concerned. And if you look back over the

910
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Speaker 8: past decade, when Trump first entered our world as a politician,

911
00:49:00,080 --> 00:49:02,680
Speaker 8: I mean I had patients who were ready to flee

912
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Speaker 8: the country. I actually know some who did flee the

913
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Speaker 8: country and I would remind them that the fact that

914
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Speaker 8: you can get out there and protest, even in front

915
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Speaker 8: of Trump's house, is a good reason to stay here.

916
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Speaker 8: But the problem is people aren't looking at this in

917
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Speaker 8: a rational way. They're quite irrational. They do think that

918
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Speaker 8: Trump is going to round people up and send them

919
00:49:23,719 --> 00:49:26,960
Speaker 8: off to a island somewhere. They think that Trump is

920
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Speaker 8: a Nazi. So I've heard all sorts of outrageous statements

921
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Speaker 8: like that, and as a therapist, I try to confront

922
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Speaker 8: them and help them see things rationally. And with some

923
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Speaker 8: of those people I'm successful, and others, frankly I'm not.

924
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Speaker 2: How do you handle people in your friend or family

925
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Speaker 2: circle that are just crazy and are suffering from this, right?

926
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Speaker 2: I mean, because I think that is probably something that

927
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Speaker 2: a lot of people out there, particularly in the social

928
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Speaker 2: media age.

929
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Speaker 1: I mean, I grew up.

930
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Speaker 2: I remember my grandma saying, you never talk about politics

931
00:49:59,760 --> 00:50:03,719
Speaker 2: or real religion. Now, certainly people talk about politics all

932
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Speaker 2: the time, particularly on social media. So you may just

933
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Speaker 2: come across it on Facebook, or you may come across it.

934
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Speaker 2: And like I said, in your own family or in Thanksgiving,

935
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Speaker 2: how do you handle people that are, in your opinion,

936
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Speaker 2: meaning the family member truly gone crazy over the Trump situation.

937
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Speaker 2: I'll give an example. This is not Trump directly. We

938
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Speaker 2: had a family member that a younger I don't want

939
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Speaker 2: to get too specifical, but celebrated on social media Charlie

940
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Speaker 2: Kirk getting shot and I was stunned. I couldn't believe it.

941
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Speaker 2: Maybe some of you have had, you know, in your

942
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Speaker 2: larger family circles things like that happen. How do you

943
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Speaker 2: handle people who are dealing with this that seem unwell

944
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Speaker 2: to you? What should you do as a person if

945
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Speaker 2: that's in your friend or family circle.

946
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Speaker 8: Yeah, and I too witnessed people who were celebrating the

947
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Speaker 8: horrific murder of Charlie A.

948
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Speaker 4: Kirk.

949
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Speaker 8: I told the story of overhearing two cashiers at Trader

950
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Speaker 8: Joe's talking about it and celebrating it. And what's happened

951
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Speaker 8: is people have demonized figures, whether it's Kirk or Trump,

952
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Speaker 8: and they've learned to hate them, and they feel like

953
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Speaker 8: it's their duty to take them out. But when you

954
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Speaker 8: have a family member that's speaking like that, I think

955
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Speaker 8: you need to try to confront them. I think you

956
00:51:24,719 --> 00:51:27,920
Speaker 8: need to ask them, you know, why do you feel

957
00:51:28,000 --> 00:51:31,400
Speaker 8: like it's your duty to take this person out, or

958
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Speaker 8: demonize this person, or speak ill of the person. You know,

959
00:51:36,680 --> 00:51:41,120
Speaker 8: it's not healthy for them to be consumed by that figure.

960
00:51:42,120 --> 00:51:43,960
Speaker 8: So you know, I think you can try to gently

961
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Speaker 8: confront them, see how they react, See if you can

962
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Speaker 8: work with them in that way. Other people are beyond

963
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Speaker 8: repair and they'll believe what they want to believe. The

964
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Speaker 8: other problem that we're seeing that you mentioned is social media.

965
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Speaker 8: People are in these echo chains. They only surround themselves

966
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Speaker 8: with one opinion. They feel that the world is conspiring

967
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Speaker 8: against them.

968
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Speaker 4: So we've got a lot of work to do.

969
00:52:12,239 --> 00:52:14,200
Speaker 8: If we're going to try to get back to what

970
00:52:14,280 --> 00:52:18,840
Speaker 8: we saw in the eighties. After Reagan was shot, his

971
00:52:19,120 --> 00:52:24,000
Speaker 8: surgeon famously said today, mister President, we're all Republicans, but

972
00:52:24,000 --> 00:52:25,959
Speaker 8: wouldn't it be great to get back to a time

973
00:52:26,080 --> 00:52:26,439
Speaker 8: like that?

974
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Speaker 4: Yeah?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm wondering also where the mental health profession is

976
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Speaker 1: on this more broadly, And I would just say this,

977
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Speaker 1: I am aware, sir, that your profession is based on

978
00:52:42,760 --> 00:52:46,840
Speaker 1: the numbers and the data. I believe the single most,

979
00:52:47,040 --> 00:52:51,080
Speaker 1: the single most left wing medical profession that is out there.

980
00:52:51,960 --> 00:52:56,239
Speaker 1: Is that really the reason why there isn't more of

981
00:52:56,280 --> 00:52:59,879
Speaker 1: a push to treat Trump derangement syndrome, even if they're

982
00:52:59,880 --> 00:53:01,960
Speaker 1: not going to name it, to treat it as an

983
00:53:02,000 --> 00:53:04,680
Speaker 1: anxiety disorder. I mean, I wonder how many psychiatrists have

984
00:53:04,760 --> 00:53:07,320
Speaker 1: Trump arrangement syndrome. If I can just put a point

985
00:53:07,360 --> 00:53:09,400
Speaker 1: on this, well.

986
00:53:09,000 --> 00:53:10,520
Speaker 4: Buck, let me put it this way.

987
00:53:10,760 --> 00:53:13,760
Speaker 8: Since my Wall Street Journal piece came out, and since

988
00:53:14,000 --> 00:53:18,800
Speaker 8: appearing on Fox TV, I've received too many to count

989
00:53:19,200 --> 00:53:23,400
Speaker 8: hate emails from my colleagues from therapists wishing me dead,

990
00:53:24,400 --> 00:53:31,840
Speaker 8: labeling me a pedophile, protector, absolutely unhinged, vile emails from

991
00:53:32,320 --> 00:53:36,000
Speaker 8: licensed mental health professionals. So that tells you what you

992
00:53:36,080 --> 00:53:39,239
Speaker 8: need to know about my profession, and you're right, it's

993
00:53:39,280 --> 00:53:44,759
Speaker 8: dominated by liberals. But that said, I also received very

994
00:53:44,800 --> 00:53:48,440
Speaker 8: supportive emails from colleagues, so I think there are probably

995
00:53:48,480 --> 00:53:54,120
Speaker 8: some closeted conservative therapists out there. But yeah, I mean,

996
00:53:54,160 --> 00:54:00,560
Speaker 8: we have people who think I'm absolutely crazy because ifying

997
00:54:00,760 --> 00:54:03,920
Speaker 8: a trend that A seen over the past decade, and

998
00:54:03,960 --> 00:54:08,319
Speaker 8: I genuinely care about these people's mental health, the people

999
00:54:08,400 --> 00:54:11,319
Speaker 8: that I'm seeing, and would like them to start to

1000
00:54:11,320 --> 00:54:14,000
Speaker 8: be healthier and look at things in a more rational manner.

1001
00:54:14,600 --> 00:54:18,120
Speaker 2: We're talking to Jonathan Albert I'm curious one of the

1002
00:54:18,160 --> 00:54:23,120
Speaker 2: big discussions here Trump came down the escalator twenty fifteen,

1003
00:54:23,360 --> 00:54:27,440
Speaker 2: So we've had a decade of Trump derangement syndrome. Do

1004
00:54:27,520 --> 00:54:30,840
Speaker 2: you believe that this syndrome, to the extent that it exists,

1005
00:54:30,880 --> 00:54:34,680
Speaker 2: that is uniquely focused on Trump, does it translate to

1006
00:54:35,239 --> 00:54:39,160
Speaker 2: or transfer to other Republicans in a post Trump era?

1007
00:54:39,680 --> 00:54:43,680
Speaker 2: What will these people when Trump exits the stage, as

1008
00:54:43,719 --> 00:54:47,680
Speaker 2: he will in January of twenty twenty nine. What do

1009
00:54:47,760 --> 00:54:50,319
Speaker 2: you think is likely to happen to their mental health

1010
00:54:50,360 --> 00:54:51,319
Speaker 2: at that point in time.

1011
00:54:52,600 --> 00:54:56,320
Speaker 8: Well, it'd be shocked if it suddenly improved once Trump

1012
00:54:56,400 --> 00:54:59,120
Speaker 8: left office. I think there are some people out there

1013
00:54:59,160 --> 00:55:03,319
Speaker 8: that always need an object, a person to hate, and

1014
00:55:03,360 --> 00:55:06,560
Speaker 8: if it's not Trump, it might be Rubio or JD

1015
00:55:06,800 --> 00:55:10,560
Speaker 8: or whoever may may take over in twenty twenty eight.

1016
00:55:10,640 --> 00:55:13,520
Speaker 8: So I do think these people need something to hate.

1017
00:55:13,520 --> 00:55:16,279
Speaker 8: And we're actually seeing this play out in New York

1018
00:55:16,320 --> 00:55:21,120
Speaker 8: where I am. The anti Israel protests have ended, and

1019
00:55:21,160 --> 00:55:24,920
Speaker 8: now I think over the weekend we saw several anti

1020
00:55:25,080 --> 00:55:28,600
Speaker 8: ice protests. So there are some people who always need

1021
00:55:28,760 --> 00:55:32,520
Speaker 8: to be fighting and need what they perceive as a

1022
00:55:32,560 --> 00:55:35,799
Speaker 8: cause to fight for. And we'll see what happens in

1023
00:55:35,800 --> 00:55:36,480
Speaker 8: a few years.

1024
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Speaker 2: It is interesting because I we appreciate your time. I

1025
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Speaker 2: was watching a video somebody put it together a compilation buck,

1026
00:55:44,040 --> 00:55:46,000
Speaker 2: I should have sent it to you two of all

1027
00:55:46,080 --> 00:55:49,080
Speaker 2: these people like losing their minds to protest in favor

1028
00:55:49,120 --> 00:55:52,960
Speaker 2: of BLM five years ago, and all the crazy videos

1029
00:55:53,000 --> 00:55:54,960
Speaker 2: they were making and everything else. And then you know,

1030
00:55:55,000 --> 00:55:57,319
Speaker 2: it's kind of a joke. But the same people took

1031
00:55:57,360 --> 00:56:00,200
Speaker 2: the BLM slogan and then had the Ukraine flag in

1032
00:56:00,280 --> 00:56:01,400
Speaker 2: their profile.

1033
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Speaker 1: Do you see that?

1034
00:56:02,680 --> 00:56:05,600
Speaker 2: As people have some sort of absence in their life,

1035
00:56:05,640 --> 00:56:09,080
Speaker 2: and so they are constantly seeking the next thing, whatever

1036
00:56:09,120 --> 00:56:11,399
Speaker 2: it is, wear a mask, get a shot, Like there's

1037
00:56:11,560 --> 00:56:17,600
Speaker 2: jumping from one sort of social obsession to another. Has

1038
00:56:17,640 --> 00:56:19,760
Speaker 2: that become more prevalent? I think in a social media

1039
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Speaker 2: age it has.

1040
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Speaker 8: And probably before BLM, we saw Occupy Wall Street way back.

1041
00:56:26,880 --> 00:56:32,880
Speaker 8: So yeah, yes, And they probably have an emptiness or

1042
00:56:33,040 --> 00:56:37,560
Speaker 8: disdain in their life for something, and they just want

1043
00:56:37,560 --> 00:56:41,600
Speaker 8: to be part of a cause. And I think these causes,

1044
00:56:41,640 --> 00:56:47,000
Speaker 8: whether it's Occupy Wall Street or Israel, Anti Israel or BLM.

1045
00:56:47,200 --> 00:56:49,560
Speaker 4: It's like a big group therapy.

1046
00:56:49,200 --> 00:56:52,440
Speaker 8: Session that amounts to absolutely nothing. It's not making these

1047
00:56:52,480 --> 00:56:56,920
Speaker 8: people healthier. I'll share a story with you after one

1048
00:56:56,960 --> 00:56:58,360
Speaker 8: of the not Kings riots.

1049
00:56:59,320 --> 00:57:01,320
Speaker 4: I was walking Manhattan.

1050
00:57:02,320 --> 00:57:08,560
Speaker 8: Admiring the heaping high pile of anti Trump signs, and

1051
00:57:08,880 --> 00:57:11,520
Speaker 8: someone came up to me and said, isn't this beautiful?

1052
00:57:11,960 --> 00:57:14,640
Speaker 8: And I said, not really, I kind of support our

1053
00:57:14,640 --> 00:57:16,920
Speaker 8: president and think he's doing a good job. And she

1054
00:57:17,120 --> 00:57:21,919
Speaker 8: went absolutely not and started cursing me, not even knowing

1055
00:57:21,960 --> 00:57:25,280
Speaker 8: who I was. Much like the emails that I'm getting

1056
00:57:25,320 --> 00:57:28,840
Speaker 8: from these strangers since my Wall Street journal piece hit,

1057
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Speaker 8: I can't imagine sending a stranger that I may see

1058
00:57:33,360 --> 00:57:36,280
Speaker 8: on TV and email telling them how much I hate them.

1059
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Speaker 8: But that might be the difference between someone with a

1060
00:57:39,440 --> 00:57:41,520
Speaker 8: rational mind and an air rational mind.

1061
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Speaker 1: How do we get more right wing mental health professionals?

1062
00:57:48,160 --> 00:57:48,360
Speaker 8: You know?

1063
00:57:48,600 --> 00:57:49,400
Speaker 4: I wish I knew.

1064
00:57:49,440 --> 00:57:53,400
Speaker 8: I'm part of a small group of conservative therapists who

1065
00:57:53,440 --> 00:57:58,640
Speaker 8: are fed up with the wokeism that's infiltrated our profession.

1066
00:58:00,200 --> 00:58:05,600
Speaker 8: Coming book Therapy Nation does touch on this, how our

1067
00:58:05,720 --> 00:58:11,680
Speaker 8: graduate programs our profession are just dominated by social justice warriors.

1068
00:58:11,680 --> 00:58:13,720
Speaker 8: So I think the more people like me that can

1069
00:58:13,760 --> 00:58:17,000
Speaker 8: get out there and who aren't afraid to speak their

1070
00:58:17,040 --> 00:58:21,080
Speaker 8: mind and be okay with conservative values and.

1071
00:58:22,880 --> 00:58:24,040
Speaker 4: Put their thoughts out there.

1072
00:58:24,280 --> 00:58:26,919
Speaker 8: The better will be as a nation, the healthier will

1073
00:58:26,920 --> 00:58:29,360
Speaker 8: be and will be far less divided.

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Speaker 1: Thank you, Jonathan Albert.

1075
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Speaker 2: I encourage people to check out the book and we

1076
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Speaker 2: will share that Wall Street Journal editorial. You wrote as

1077
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Speaker 2: some people may be dealing with some of this in

1078
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Speaker 2: the post Thanksgiving eraon which we currently live.

1079
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Speaker 1: Thank you so much.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, thank you very much. Take care.

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Speaker 1: called Legacy Box. They're based in Chattanooga, Tennessee, my mom's hometown,

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Speaker 1: staffed with more than two hundred technicians. I have seen

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Speaker 1: it from myself.

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Speaker 2: Traveled down to speak at the Hamilton County Republican party

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Speaker 2: there a few months ago, right before the football season

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Speaker 2: started and got to tour of their facilities.

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Speaker 1: They are spectacular.

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Speaker 2: It was an impressive place, and they are helping everybody

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Speaker 2: preserve their family memories for as long as they possibly can.

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Speaker 2: This week they have a great sale sixty five percent

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Speaker 2: off regular prices, best sell of the year right now.

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Speaker 2: Cyber Monday is ongoing. What Legacy Box does for families phenomenal.

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Speaker 2: Sixty five percent discount is a big deal. Go to

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Speaker 2: legacybox dot com slash clay for sixty five percent off.

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Speaker 2: Right now, that's a legacy box dot com slash clay.

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Speaker 1: Check it out.

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Speaker 2: Great gift for you and your family Legacy box dot com.

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Speaker 2: Give the gift of memories to your family at legacy

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Speaker 2: box dot com slash clay for sixty five percent off.

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