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Speaker 1: Welcome to the Wired to Hunt podcast. Your guide to

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Speaker 1: the White Tail Woods presented by first Light, creating proven

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Speaker 1: versatile hunting apparel for the stand, saddle or blind. First

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Speaker 1: Light Go Farther, stay Longer, and now your host, Mark Kenyon,

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Speaker 1: Welcome to the.

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Speaker 2: Wired to Hunt podcast. This week on the show, I'm

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Speaker 2: sharing my top ten wildlife recommended books that I'm recommending

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Speaker 2: you read or listen to this upcoming year. All right,

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Speaker 2: welcome back to the Wired to Hunt Podcast. I want

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Speaker 2: to read you something a quote that I came across recently.

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Speaker 2: It states Internet brain is making us all profoundly dumber.

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Speaker 2: Digital slop is destroying our attention spans. Study after study

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Speaker 2: shows declines and focus critical thinking and literacy. One of

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Speaker 2: the most counterculture things you can do right now is

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Speaker 2: read a book. Books are the best bargain there is.

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Speaker 2: There is no better place to get a rich distillation

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Speaker 2: of insights and wisdom from great leaders to entrepreneurs, to

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Speaker 2: athletes to creatives. The people we tend to deem wise

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Speaker 2: and discerning all read. That's a quote from a past

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Speaker 2: Wired to Hunt guest, Brad Stalberg. He's also an author

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Speaker 2: and an expert on all things performance and mastery and excellence.

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Speaker 2: And when I ran across this from him, it definitely

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Speaker 2: resonated with me, and it brought to mind the fact

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Speaker 2: that we have not talked about reading on this podcast

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Speaker 2: in several years. Tony and I did an episode discussing

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Speaker 2: book recommendations about two years ago. But this quote, this

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Speaker 2: line reminded me that there's a whole lot more ground

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Speaker 2: there to cover that we have not yet. And I

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Speaker 2: actually personally just finished writing a book. In that book,

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Speaker 2: my second book is going to be coming out in

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Speaker 2: early twenty twenty seven, but I just finished the writing process,

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Speaker 2: and that book was all about wildlife in America. And

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Speaker 2: of course, in putting together that book, I spent a

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Speaker 2: lot of time reading other books about these topics. So

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Speaker 2: many of these are top of mind for me, which

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Speaker 2: got me thinking that, hey, you know what, the folks

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Speaker 2: within the mediator world, hunters and anglers and folks who

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Speaker 2: care about wildlife and wild places, they're likely also the

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Speaker 2: kinds of people who don't always want digital slot, who

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Speaker 2: sometimes would like to dig in a little bit deeper

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Speaker 2: into these topics that fascinate us so much. So that's

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Speaker 2: why today I'm sharing ten wildlife related book recommendations with you.

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Speaker 2: I'm going to walk through ten different books, discuss what

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Speaker 2: they're about, why I enjoyed them, why I recommend them

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Speaker 2: to you, and then my ask is that you pick

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Speaker 2: one or two of these and try them yourselves. Of course,

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Speaker 2: I'm a big fan of physical, hard copy books, but

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Speaker 2: these days, I know that life is busy, and the

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Speaker 2: amazing thing is that there are a whole lot of books.

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Speaker 2: I bet every single one of these books I'm going

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Speaker 2: to talk to you about you can listen to as

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Speaker 2: well as an audiobook. So of course I'd like you

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Speaker 2: to listen to this podcast, but you can also throw

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Speaker 2: on one of these audio books and go deep into

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Speaker 2: one of these topics, learn a lot, immerse yourself in

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Speaker 2: the world of these issues, or these adventures or these animals,

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Speaker 2: and I think you can learn something more. You can

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Speaker 2: That's just different, dramatically different than anything you're in fined

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Speaker 2: So before we get to that, though very briefly, a

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Speaker 2: quick update related to this podcast, I am launching a

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Speaker 2: As I mentioned, if you want hunting or phishing books,

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Speaker 2: me and Tony did a podcast about that two years ago.

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Speaker 2: That episode is episode seven seventy seven, Twelve books every

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Speaker 2: There are some deer recommendations, but then a whole bunch

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Speaker 2: The first book i'm gonna recommend is a series of books,

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Speaker 2: American History, which you can download on Audible or wherever

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Speaker 2: Spotify also has them. There are three parts to this

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Speaker 2: this one or American Serengetti by Dan as well that

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Speaker 2: If I remember, the next book on my list is

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Speaker 2: And this is a story of one man's journey to

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Speaker 2: this model says this is going to happen, or this

433
00:26:10,480 --> 00:26:12,159
Speaker 2: you know, talking head in the news says that this

434
00:26:12,280 --> 00:26:15,120
Speaker 2: other thing is going to happen. This book is actually

435
00:26:15,160 --> 00:26:19,919
Speaker 2: about things happening right now. How climate related changes across

436
00:26:19,960 --> 00:26:21,960
Speaker 2: the world and across the last twenty years or so

437
00:26:22,400 --> 00:26:26,040
Speaker 2: is actually impacting in wildlife in what ways is it

438
00:26:26,119 --> 00:26:29,879
Speaker 2: actually right now changing you know, the situation in the

439
00:26:29,880 --> 00:26:32,879
Speaker 2: ocean for fish, or the situation in rivers for trout,

440
00:26:33,000 --> 00:26:36,000
Speaker 2: or the situation in a jungle or a forest in

441
00:26:36,040 --> 00:26:40,560
Speaker 2: impacting amphibians or birds or large mammals. There's a lot

442
00:26:40,640 --> 00:26:43,880
Speaker 2: of different examples of how that's already happening. I think

443
00:26:43,920 --> 00:26:45,760
Speaker 2: a lot of people think this climate stuff is like

444
00:26:45,840 --> 00:26:49,880
Speaker 2: some way off in the future thing, and there's actually

445
00:26:50,040 --> 00:26:54,280
Speaker 2: many concrete examples of stuff happening now and it's impacting

446
00:26:54,359 --> 00:26:57,439
Speaker 2: animals that we know and we can see and we

447
00:26:57,440 --> 00:27:01,520
Speaker 2: can feel these changes ourselves or knowing where to look.

448
00:27:02,440 --> 00:27:05,320
Speaker 2: So Thor does a really great job of exploring that

449
00:27:05,880 --> 00:27:10,679
Speaker 2: without any of the political stuff that's controversial, and he

450
00:27:10,720 --> 00:27:12,840
Speaker 2: does it in a pretty darn interesting way because he

451
00:27:12,960 --> 00:27:17,280
Speaker 2: goes out and sees these places and sees these animals himself.

452
00:27:17,560 --> 00:27:20,320
Speaker 2: He takes you on these adventures with him. He introduces

453
00:27:20,359 --> 00:27:23,720
Speaker 2: you to these different scientists and researchers and biologists out

454
00:27:23,760 --> 00:27:27,359
Speaker 2: there learning about these specific animals and seeing in real

455
00:27:27,400 --> 00:27:31,919
Speaker 2: life what's happening. So a fascinating kind of look into

456
00:27:31,960 --> 00:27:34,960
Speaker 2: this wild world and a different perspective on the climate

457
00:27:35,040 --> 00:27:38,520
Speaker 2: change topic that, as I've said already, can be exhausting,

458
00:27:39,000 --> 00:27:42,080
Speaker 2: can be depressing, or can just be a political annoyance

459
00:27:42,119 --> 00:27:43,760
Speaker 2: that you don't want to pay attention to it all.

460
00:27:44,280 --> 00:27:46,879
Speaker 2: This is not that. This is a unique and I

461
00:27:46,880 --> 00:27:50,680
Speaker 2: think refreshing take on that. So if you've not engaged

462
00:27:50,720 --> 00:27:53,639
Speaker 2: with the topic in the past, I would actually suggest

463
00:27:53,680 --> 00:27:55,080
Speaker 2: maybe this is the book you need to read more

464
00:27:55,119 --> 00:27:57,600
Speaker 2: than anything else. It's something to consider that maybe was

465
00:27:57,640 --> 00:28:01,040
Speaker 2: outside of what you thought you were interested in engaging with.

466
00:28:01,240 --> 00:28:04,240
Speaker 2: I think that's a really important thing books can offer.

467
00:28:04,600 --> 00:28:06,600
Speaker 2: I'm going to get on my soapbox here for a second,

468
00:28:07,480 --> 00:28:10,119
Speaker 2: but it's really easy and comforting to read stuff that

469
00:28:10,119 --> 00:28:13,000
Speaker 2: you agree with or that you all your friends and

470
00:28:13,040 --> 00:28:15,119
Speaker 2: family all agree with or say, oh yeah, this is

471
00:28:15,160 --> 00:28:17,760
Speaker 2: a thing, And so reading that kind of stuff affirms

472
00:28:17,800 --> 00:28:19,600
Speaker 2: how you feel and how you believe, and what you

473
00:28:19,640 --> 00:28:21,320
Speaker 2: think the world is and how you think the world

474
00:28:21,359 --> 00:28:24,040
Speaker 2: should be. I like to read those books too, but

475
00:28:24,160 --> 00:28:28,400
Speaker 2: I also try to force myself to sometimes read books

476
00:28:28,640 --> 00:28:31,720
Speaker 2: that are outside of my comfort zone, or maybe that

477
00:28:31,840 --> 00:28:35,119
Speaker 2: explore a topic that I don't understand or that I

478
00:28:35,160 --> 00:28:37,959
Speaker 2: don't think I agree with, or maybe that I think

479
00:28:38,040 --> 00:28:44,480
Speaker 2: I have like a totally oppositional perspective on because I

480
00:28:44,520 --> 00:28:51,120
Speaker 2: think books can give you this opportunity to intellectually challenge

481
00:28:51,160 --> 00:28:54,240
Speaker 2: yourself in a way that helps you understand things better,

482
00:28:54,640 --> 00:28:56,320
Speaker 2: whether or not you agree with the book. In the end,

483
00:28:57,360 --> 00:28:59,360
Speaker 2: maybe you read this entire book and you're like, I'm

484
00:28:59,400 --> 00:29:03,080
Speaker 2: still not convivey, I think it's all bogus, And by

485
00:29:03,160 --> 00:29:05,960
Speaker 2: way of that, it's going to force you to think

486
00:29:05,960 --> 00:29:07,640
Speaker 2: about what you do believe and what you do know

487
00:29:07,800 --> 00:29:09,960
Speaker 2: and what you do think and the data or the

488
00:29:10,080 --> 00:29:12,760
Speaker 2: information that's helped you come to those decisions. It's going

489
00:29:12,840 --> 00:29:14,959
Speaker 2: to force you to think about that stuff. It's going

490
00:29:15,000 --> 00:29:17,080
Speaker 2: to force you to challenge that a little bit, to

491
00:29:17,120 --> 00:29:21,640
Speaker 2: look at that with clear eyes, and that will strengthen

492
00:29:21,960 --> 00:29:24,840
Speaker 2: maybe your perspective or maybe it's going to open up

493
00:29:24,880 --> 00:29:27,040
Speaker 2: some questions for you and you're gonna say, oh, huh,

494
00:29:27,080 --> 00:29:29,200
Speaker 2: I never thought about that way, or you know what,

495
00:29:29,240 --> 00:29:31,320
Speaker 2: I'd always just thought about it from this one view,

496
00:29:31,560 --> 00:29:33,880
Speaker 2: and actually there's this other view that, you know, if

497
00:29:33,880 --> 00:29:36,800
Speaker 2: I were to be honest about it does make some sense.

498
00:29:37,160 --> 00:29:39,200
Speaker 2: And so you can learn some new things, you can grow,

499
00:29:39,320 --> 00:29:43,000
Speaker 2: you can come to new ways of understanding the world.

500
00:29:43,040 --> 00:29:46,480
Speaker 2: It can be very useful too, And so books uniquely

501
00:29:46,600 --> 00:29:49,640
Speaker 2: give you the context to really have that kind of

502
00:29:49,680 --> 00:29:52,320
Speaker 2: like deep Yeah, I guess it kind of sounds woo

503
00:29:52,400 --> 00:29:54,920
Speaker 2: woob or like like you're going crazy, but like a

504
00:29:54,960 --> 00:29:56,880
Speaker 2: dialogue with yourself almost I don't know, like talking to

505
00:29:56,920 --> 00:30:01,680
Speaker 2: yourself sounds like a little crazy. But a book is

506
00:30:01,840 --> 00:30:06,000
Speaker 2: deep enough and media enough and immersive enough that you

507
00:30:06,080 --> 00:30:08,080
Speaker 2: have something to really sink your teeth into and think

508
00:30:08,080 --> 00:30:11,600
Speaker 2: about and wrestle with. A social media clip, a quick

509
00:30:11,640 --> 00:30:15,640
Speaker 2: YouTube video and article you know that usually does not

510
00:30:15,760 --> 00:30:18,320
Speaker 2: give you enough to really have this like back and

511
00:30:18,360 --> 00:30:23,160
Speaker 2: forth thinking challenge, but a book does so. Again, so

512
00:30:23,320 --> 00:30:27,240
Speaker 2: boxing here for books. But if this at first glanced at,

513
00:30:27,640 --> 00:30:30,160
Speaker 2: I don't know, not in that climate thing, you might

514
00:30:30,200 --> 00:30:31,960
Speaker 2: want to take a look at this and just see

515
00:30:31,960 --> 00:30:33,720
Speaker 2: if they can force you to wrestle with things a

516
00:30:33,760 --> 00:30:36,280
Speaker 2: little bit. Maybe maybe you'll stick with what you think

517
00:30:36,320 --> 00:30:38,960
Speaker 2: right now. Maybe not, but I think the process itself

518
00:30:39,280 --> 00:30:46,480
Speaker 2: could be valuable. Next up, Monster of God by David Qualmen,

519
00:30:47,200 --> 00:30:51,120
Speaker 2: the man Eating Predator in the Jungles of History and

520
00:30:51,400 --> 00:30:55,200
Speaker 2: the Mind. This one is one of two David Qualmon

521
00:30:55,240 --> 00:30:58,360
Speaker 2: books that I really really recommend. I'm gonna mention this

522
00:30:58,400 --> 00:31:01,480
Speaker 2: one as my top one. But his other one, the

523
00:31:01,480 --> 00:31:04,000
Speaker 2: Song of the Dodo, I'll discuss too, and that one

524
00:31:04,040 --> 00:31:06,080
Speaker 2: almost might be I don't know, I don't know which

525
00:31:06,080 --> 00:31:09,720
Speaker 2: one's better, but the Monster of God this is an

526
00:31:09,720 --> 00:31:18,840
Speaker 2: exploration of our relationship with man eating predators. So charismatic, fascinating,

527
00:31:19,400 --> 00:31:24,480
Speaker 2: big toothed, sometimes scary animals. And David Kwalman is one

528
00:31:24,520 --> 00:31:27,680
Speaker 2: of my favorite authors. He is a science journalist and

529
00:31:28,000 --> 00:31:31,400
Speaker 2: writer who does it better than just about anybody else.

530
00:31:31,440 --> 00:31:36,160
Speaker 2: He's a Montana guy who has written about these topics

531
00:31:36,160 --> 00:31:39,000
Speaker 2: for decades now, and this book, Monsters of God, as

532
00:31:39,000 --> 00:31:43,640
Speaker 2: I mentioned, explores those most dangerous of animals and why

533
00:31:43,840 --> 00:31:46,840
Speaker 2: and how we have lived alongside them in the past,

534
00:31:47,360 --> 00:31:50,880
Speaker 2: how we might do so moving forward, and why there's

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00:31:51,040 --> 00:31:54,560
Speaker 2: value in having them here, why historically people have found

536
00:31:54,640 --> 00:31:57,440
Speaker 2: value in them, why historically people have not liked them around,

537
00:31:57,480 --> 00:32:01,520
Speaker 2: and then ultimately why it might be worth still making

538
00:32:01,560 --> 00:32:05,640
Speaker 2: sure they can stick around for generations to come. David

539
00:32:05,680 --> 00:32:10,360
Speaker 2: explores this through four different examples, and so four different

540
00:32:10,440 --> 00:32:13,480
Speaker 2: kind of adventurous stories going into the wild seeking out

541
00:32:13,520 --> 00:32:19,040
Speaker 2: these big, crazy, dangerous, fascinating animals and then learning from

542
00:32:19,040 --> 00:32:22,120
Speaker 2: the people who are out there, studying them, working with them,

543
00:32:22,800 --> 00:32:26,760
Speaker 2: managing them, engaging with them, hunting them, doing different things

544
00:32:26,760 --> 00:32:32,280
Speaker 2: with them. So one of these portions goes and explores lions,

545
00:32:33,040 --> 00:32:38,600
Speaker 2: and gosh, these are lions in India, I believe. One

546
00:32:38,640 --> 00:32:47,040
Speaker 2: of these examples explores crocodiles in somewhere in Africa, I

547
00:32:47,080 --> 00:32:49,040
Speaker 2: guess it was. I can't remember exactly where, but these

548
00:32:49,040 --> 00:32:53,959
Speaker 2: are saltwater crocodiles, manating crocodiles, and those examples there. Another

549
00:32:54,000 --> 00:33:00,360
Speaker 2: example is bears in Romania, brown bears in Romania. Then

550
00:33:00,440 --> 00:33:04,840
Speaker 2: the fourth example are Siberian tigers in Russia. I guess

551
00:33:04,880 --> 00:33:07,840
Speaker 2: it would have been or somewhere in that far East region.

552
00:33:08,800 --> 00:33:14,600
Speaker 2: And all four you get this fascinating history lesson, a

553
00:33:14,760 --> 00:33:17,880
Speaker 2: fascinating set of insights into you know, what's happening currently

554
00:33:17,920 --> 00:33:20,360
Speaker 2: on the ground. This was written a while back. It

555
00:33:20,440 --> 00:33:25,360
Speaker 2: was published in nineteen nineteen or early two thousand, two

556
00:33:25,400 --> 00:33:27,000
Speaker 2: thousand and three. All right, so this book was written

557
00:33:27,000 --> 00:33:28,760
Speaker 2: two thousand and three, so we're about twenty years out.

558
00:33:29,000 --> 00:33:31,880
Speaker 2: But still it's one of the better books for wrestling

559
00:33:31,960 --> 00:33:34,760
Speaker 2: with our place alongside these big animals, and so many

560
00:33:34,800 --> 00:33:38,600
Speaker 2: of the controversies around wildlife today involve animals like this,

561
00:33:39,280 --> 00:33:45,440
Speaker 2: grizzly bears, mountain lions, wolves. Every one of these animals

562
00:33:45,480 --> 00:33:51,720
Speaker 2: can make walking through the woods a little bit more worrisome.

563
00:33:52,520 --> 00:33:58,280
Speaker 2: All of those animals can sometimes you know, kill livestock

564
00:33:58,520 --> 00:34:01,800
Speaker 2: or a pet dog. All of them make you know,

565
00:34:02,040 --> 00:34:04,760
Speaker 2: living out there alongside them a little more challenging. They

566
00:34:04,840 --> 00:34:10,799
Speaker 2: might knock down game populations. They might make you know,

567
00:34:10,960 --> 00:34:13,799
Speaker 2: things a little bit more economically difficult for people that

568
00:34:13,840 --> 00:34:16,919
Speaker 2: live alongside of them. So there's real challenges with having

569
00:34:16,960 --> 00:34:19,359
Speaker 2: these animals out there on the landscape, but there are

570
00:34:19,440 --> 00:34:22,920
Speaker 2: also real benefits to it as well. Holding both of

571
00:34:22,960 --> 00:34:25,560
Speaker 2: those facts at the same time in your mind is

572
00:34:25,560 --> 00:34:28,640
Speaker 2: a hard thing to do, but being able to do that,

573
00:34:28,880 --> 00:34:34,160
Speaker 2: I think is really important for hunters. For anyone who

574
00:34:34,200 --> 00:34:37,080
Speaker 2: cares about wild animals. You whether your favorite deer, your

575
00:34:37,080 --> 00:34:39,719
Speaker 2: favorite animals a deer or an elk or bear, or

576
00:34:39,760 --> 00:34:43,360
Speaker 2: a wolf or a rainbow trout. If you care about animals,

577
00:34:43,440 --> 00:34:45,799
Speaker 2: it's important to think about how we can live with them.

578
00:34:46,480 --> 00:34:52,000
Speaker 2: And I think big predators are a particularly useful set

579
00:34:52,000 --> 00:34:54,239
Speaker 2: of animals to think about this question, because if we

580
00:34:54,239 --> 00:34:58,000
Speaker 2: can figure out how to live alongside grizzlies or wolves

581
00:34:58,239 --> 00:35:01,120
Speaker 2: or saltwater crocodiles, if you can and figure that out,

582
00:35:01,520 --> 00:35:03,879
Speaker 2: then it's a whole lot easier to figure out how

583
00:35:03,920 --> 00:35:08,520
Speaker 2: to make room and live alongside spotted toads or sage

584
00:35:08,560 --> 00:35:12,840
Speaker 2: grouse or white tailed deer. So I really enjoy wrestling

585
00:35:12,840 --> 00:35:15,239
Speaker 2: with these kinds of books like Monster of God, where

586
00:35:15,280 --> 00:35:18,719
Speaker 2: that conversation forces you to think about the toughest of

587
00:35:18,800 --> 00:35:23,040
Speaker 2: circumstances and then you can you know, you can take

588
00:35:23,080 --> 00:35:25,120
Speaker 2: that and apply it to so many other things as well.

589
00:35:25,160 --> 00:35:27,200
Speaker 2: So David does that you're going to think a lot,

590
00:35:27,239 --> 00:35:29,240
Speaker 2: You're going to learn a lot about these specific animals.

591
00:35:29,239 --> 00:35:31,200
Speaker 2: But then I also think you will also pick up

592
00:35:31,200 --> 00:35:34,080
Speaker 2: things from this book that will better help you understand,

593
00:35:34,360 --> 00:35:37,280
Speaker 2: you know, many different wildlife relationships that we have here.

594
00:35:37,480 --> 00:35:40,320
Speaker 2: Whether you live in Michigan or Montana. Whether the critter

595
00:35:40,400 --> 00:35:44,720
Speaker 2: that gives you headaches are groundhogs burrowing under your barn,

596
00:35:45,280 --> 00:35:48,880
Speaker 2: or wolves in northern Minnesota burn up your deer hunting property,

597
00:35:49,440 --> 00:35:52,200
Speaker 2: or grizzly bears scaring you when you're camping in the

598
00:35:52,200 --> 00:35:55,799
Speaker 2: back country of Wyoming, whatever it is, this book has

599
00:35:55,840 --> 00:35:58,000
Speaker 2: got something that I think we can all take from

600
00:35:58,200 --> 00:36:01,520
Speaker 2: and highly suggest it for that reason. David's got another

601
00:36:01,520 --> 00:36:03,799
Speaker 2: book that I really really enjoyed as well. It's called

602
00:36:03,840 --> 00:36:08,239
Speaker 2: The Song of the Dodo, and that book explores the

603
00:36:08,680 --> 00:36:13,840
Speaker 2: really fascinating topic of island biogeography. We've talked about this

604
00:36:13,920 --> 00:36:17,799
Speaker 2: a couple times, but basically, to simplify it as much

605
00:36:17,800 --> 00:36:21,600
Speaker 2: as the possibly can, what happens on islands when it

606
00:36:21,640 --> 00:36:24,920
Speaker 2: comes to how long wildlife species can exist on islands

607
00:36:24,960 --> 00:36:29,040
Speaker 2: and whether they thrive or go into decline is something

608
00:36:29,120 --> 00:36:31,239
Speaker 2: that has been studied, and a whole bunch of things

609
00:36:31,360 --> 00:36:35,120
Speaker 2: have been understood based on studying island populations of wildlife.

610
00:36:35,600 --> 00:36:39,279
Speaker 2: And what people have realized in recent years is that

611
00:36:39,840 --> 00:36:44,680
Speaker 2: we are creating island habitats, even on the mainland of

612
00:36:44,840 --> 00:36:48,840
Speaker 2: America and across the world, when we surround wildlife habitat

613
00:36:49,000 --> 00:36:53,719
Speaker 2: with human development. So maybe you have a backyard it's

614
00:36:53,760 --> 00:36:56,680
Speaker 2: got a lot of native vegetation and a bunch of

615
00:36:56,680 --> 00:36:59,400
Speaker 2: birds and bugs and small mammals and stuff. But then

616
00:36:59,440 --> 00:37:01,960
Speaker 2: if it's surround founded by cement and businesses and other

617
00:37:01,960 --> 00:37:04,920
Speaker 2: neighborhood parking lots and things like that, you might have

618
00:37:04,920 --> 00:37:08,880
Speaker 2: a little island habitat there. And so the study of

619
00:37:09,040 --> 00:37:13,000
Speaker 2: islands and wildlife on islands, that data and those trends,

620
00:37:13,040 --> 00:37:17,120
Speaker 2: those patterns are replicating all over the world. Now where

621
00:37:17,440 --> 00:37:20,399
Speaker 2: the Yellowstone ecosystem has become an island, so what does

622
00:37:20,400 --> 00:37:22,799
Speaker 2: that mean for the animals that live there? Maybe the

623
00:37:23,880 --> 00:37:27,440
Speaker 2: Everglades ecosystem in southern Florida that's becoming an island as

624
00:37:27,520 --> 00:37:30,120
Speaker 2: human development surrounds that, what does that mean for the

625
00:37:30,120 --> 00:37:32,840
Speaker 2: wildlife that live there. This is happening, of course in

626
00:37:33,040 --> 00:37:36,600
Speaker 2: Central Park and New York. This is happening in dozens

627
00:37:36,600 --> 00:37:39,080
Speaker 2: and dozens hundreds of other examples all of our nation.

628
00:37:39,239 --> 00:37:43,560
Speaker 2: Your deer hunting property might be an island metaphorical island

629
00:37:43,560 --> 00:37:46,040
Speaker 2: of habitat. So what does that mean for your ability

630
00:37:46,080 --> 00:37:48,880
Speaker 2: to bring back turkeys or deer, to have thriving small

631
00:37:48,880 --> 00:37:54,000
Speaker 2: game populations or upland birds. Understanding what happens when habitat

632
00:37:54,440 --> 00:37:57,759
Speaker 2: becomes island, when it becomes disconnected from the rest of

633
00:37:57,800 --> 00:38:02,360
Speaker 2: the natural ecosystem, comes fragmented, when new roads are built,

634
00:38:02,400 --> 00:38:05,920
Speaker 2: when new developments are put in, when all that stuff happens,

635
00:38:05,920 --> 00:38:11,359
Speaker 2: there's a whole series of patterns that happen with wildlife,

636
00:38:11,800 --> 00:38:14,239
Speaker 2: and that book, The Song of the Dodo, is all

637
00:38:14,280 --> 00:38:18,920
Speaker 2: about that. It's about how evolution you know, is impacted

638
00:38:18,960 --> 00:38:21,880
Speaker 2: by those things, and it's about how you know extinctions

639
00:38:21,960 --> 00:38:26,520
Speaker 2: occur or extirpations occur by way of that. It's fascinating.

640
00:38:27,000 --> 00:38:29,880
Speaker 2: It's a deep, deep dive. So it's not a book

641
00:38:29,880 --> 00:38:32,160
Speaker 2: for someone who wants to have some easy reading. But

642
00:38:32,239 --> 00:38:35,680
Speaker 2: if that set of ideas, like those big wildlife ideas

643
00:38:35,719 --> 00:38:38,200
Speaker 2: of that intrigues you, the Song of the Dodo is

644
00:38:38,400 --> 00:38:40,200
Speaker 2: one of the absolute best, but you got to commit

645
00:38:40,239 --> 00:38:42,760
Speaker 2: to it. It's a big read, it's a thick book.

646
00:38:43,280 --> 00:38:45,520
Speaker 2: It requires you be willing to do some thinking and

647
00:38:45,600 --> 00:38:48,759
Speaker 2: some following along. But also David does it about as

648
00:38:48,760 --> 00:38:51,200
Speaker 2: well as anybody could. So A Song of the Dodo

649
00:38:51,320 --> 00:39:05,319
Speaker 2: another one worth considering. On a related note, if all

650
00:39:05,400 --> 00:39:07,320
Speaker 2: that kind of sounds interesting to you, but maybe it

651
00:39:07,360 --> 00:39:10,680
Speaker 2: sounds like too much to tackle, if it sounds a

652
00:39:10,680 --> 00:39:13,400
Speaker 2: little bit too heavy, I have two other books that

653
00:39:13,520 --> 00:39:17,080
Speaker 2: explore that topic, but in a much lighter way, in

654
00:39:17,120 --> 00:39:20,520
Speaker 2: a much easier to digest way. The first of those

655
00:39:20,760 --> 00:39:23,960
Speaker 2: is The Spine of the Continent, The Race to Save

656
00:39:24,000 --> 00:39:29,640
Speaker 2: America's last best Wilderness by Mary Ellen Hannibal. This book

657
00:39:30,400 --> 00:39:36,800
Speaker 2: is this very interesting example of how to possibly tackle

658
00:39:37,000 --> 00:39:40,680
Speaker 2: that fragmentation of habitat challenge that I just talked about. So,

659
00:39:40,760 --> 00:39:43,759
Speaker 2: if the Song of the Dodo is all about understanding

660
00:39:43,760 --> 00:39:47,239
Speaker 2: what happens when we fragment habitat into little islands, this

661
00:39:47,320 --> 00:39:53,319
Speaker 2: book is an examination of one possible solution, and the

662
00:39:53,880 --> 00:39:58,720
Speaker 2: kind of example kind of like a keystone example of

663
00:39:59,160 --> 00:40:03,160
Speaker 2: one place trying to do this, And this broad example

664
00:40:03,160 --> 00:40:06,600
Speaker 2: that they're exploring is a big, big, big crazy idea

665
00:40:06,600 --> 00:40:10,719
Speaker 2: that folks have in trying to create some level of

666
00:40:11,080 --> 00:40:14,560
Speaker 2: connection all the way from the Yukon down to Yellowstone.

667
00:40:14,600 --> 00:40:19,799
Speaker 2: This is like our last big wild corridor through North

668
00:40:19,840 --> 00:40:23,880
Speaker 2: America that has some degree of pretty wild countries still

669
00:40:24,200 --> 00:40:27,120
Speaker 2: in place, but it's broken up by roads and developments

670
00:40:27,120 --> 00:40:29,520
Speaker 2: and cities and all different things like that. So there's

671
00:40:29,520 --> 00:40:32,400
Speaker 2: a number of people, a bunch of different nonprofits, a

672
00:40:32,400 --> 00:40:34,120
Speaker 2: lot of different groups that are all trying to figure

673
00:40:34,120 --> 00:40:38,040
Speaker 2: out ways to build more corridors between those fragments. How

674
00:40:38,040 --> 00:40:40,160
Speaker 2: do we connect more of those fragments. How do we

675
00:40:40,200 --> 00:40:44,000
Speaker 2: have these cores of big wild places like Yellowstone or

676
00:40:44,000 --> 00:40:47,920
Speaker 2: Glacier National Park or parks up in Canada, how do

677
00:40:47,960 --> 00:40:50,680
Speaker 2: we then connect them with corridors, And then how do

678
00:40:50,719 --> 00:40:53,279
Speaker 2: we make sure that the full suite of species that

679
00:40:53,320 --> 00:40:57,640
Speaker 2: exists there still exists there and can exist there. If

680
00:40:57,680 --> 00:41:01,080
Speaker 2: we can do that, there's a lot of powerful opportunities

681
00:41:01,239 --> 00:41:04,560
Speaker 2: that then present themselves for wildlife and for people who

682
00:41:04,600 --> 00:41:08,040
Speaker 2: like to hunt wildlife or view wildlife, or people who

683
00:41:08,080 --> 00:41:12,239
Speaker 2: depend on the land that wildlife supports. And so Mary

684
00:41:12,280 --> 00:41:15,560
Speaker 2: Ellen Hannibal explores this topic. She explores a bunch of

685
00:41:15,600 --> 00:41:18,399
Speaker 2: the science that you know that David does, but maybe

686
00:41:18,440 --> 00:41:21,200
Speaker 2: in a little bit easier kind of lighter way, but

687
00:41:21,320 --> 00:41:23,839
Speaker 2: she brings in a whole bunch of the scientists and

688
00:41:24,040 --> 00:41:27,640
Speaker 2: the conservation biologists who are studying the stuff right now

689
00:41:27,680 --> 00:41:30,080
Speaker 2: in America and kind of brings them to the forefront

690
00:41:30,120 --> 00:41:33,480
Speaker 2: as characters in the book. Also, one of our favorite

691
00:41:33,640 --> 00:41:36,239
Speaker 2: voices in the hunting world, Hell Herring, is in here.

692
00:41:36,480 --> 00:41:38,960
Speaker 2: And there's also some hunting, some elk hunting. There's some

693
00:41:39,040 --> 00:41:42,640
Speaker 2: considerations of the hunting world in here, and then a

694
00:41:42,680 --> 00:41:46,160
Speaker 2: bunch of just kind of wild adventures out there in

695
00:41:46,200 --> 00:41:50,880
Speaker 2: these places, speaking with some true legends in the conservation world,

696
00:41:51,239 --> 00:41:54,319
Speaker 2: and then exploring the many different ways that you know,

697
00:41:54,400 --> 00:41:58,160
Speaker 2: the fragmentation of habitat or the connection of habitat will

698
00:41:58,200 --> 00:42:03,480
Speaker 2: either send wildlife popularly into a questionable place or into

699
00:42:03,520 --> 00:42:06,319
Speaker 2: a really encouraging better place. So this is a book

700
00:42:06,320 --> 00:42:09,640
Speaker 2: I read first, I don't know, a decade or more ago,

701
00:42:09,800 --> 00:42:11,719
Speaker 2: and I'm actually picking a back up and reading it

702
00:42:11,760 --> 00:42:17,560
Speaker 2: again because this whole topic of fragmented habitat is is

703
00:42:17,600 --> 00:42:20,600
Speaker 2: so top of mind for so many people right now.

704
00:42:21,760 --> 00:42:24,600
Speaker 2: You know, we're seeing it. Whether you live in Mississippi

705
00:42:24,760 --> 00:42:27,799
Speaker 2: or Maine or New Mexico. Right I'm sure you can

706
00:42:27,840 --> 00:42:30,719
Speaker 2: point to some place that used to be wild that

707
00:42:30,880 --> 00:42:34,880
Speaker 2: is now being turned into housing development or a highway

708
00:42:35,640 --> 00:42:40,680
Speaker 2: or a you know, solar panel development or ohudin is weight.

709
00:42:40,680 --> 00:42:43,960
Speaker 2: We're seeing these wild places disappear. We're seeing these wild

710
00:42:44,040 --> 00:42:48,399
Speaker 2: places be cut apart into smaller pieces, and roads and

711
00:42:48,480 --> 00:42:51,879
Speaker 2: fences going up and walls going up that are disconnecting

712
00:42:51,920 --> 00:42:54,640
Speaker 2: these places. So what does that mean? How do we

713
00:42:54,680 --> 00:42:57,759
Speaker 2: do something about to make sure there's still driving populations

714
00:42:57,760 --> 00:43:00,959
Speaker 2: of mule deer or salamanders and get from one side

715
00:43:01,000 --> 00:43:03,960
Speaker 2: of the road to the other, or you know, whatever

716
00:43:04,000 --> 00:43:05,759
Speaker 2: it is, whatever animal it does you care about and

717
00:43:05,800 --> 00:43:10,040
Speaker 2: they're excited about. Almost every species in our nation is

718
00:43:10,080 --> 00:43:13,800
Speaker 2: facing some version of this, and so I am deep

719
00:43:13,840 --> 00:43:17,320
Speaker 2: into the weeds on both understanding it and then figure

720
00:43:17,360 --> 00:43:20,640
Speaker 2: out what can we do. There are a lot of

721
00:43:20,680 --> 00:43:24,040
Speaker 2: exciting positive developments on that front. There's a lot of

722
00:43:24,120 --> 00:43:29,759
Speaker 2: momentum around developing wildlife crossings, in funding projects to help

723
00:43:29,920 --> 00:43:34,040
Speaker 2: identify where these connection corridors can be or are right now,

724
00:43:34,520 --> 00:43:38,080
Speaker 2: really interesting studies around migration corridors and tracking where these

725
00:43:38,120 --> 00:43:41,120
Speaker 2: deer or elk or other animals are consistently wanting to

726
00:43:41,160 --> 00:43:45,319
Speaker 2: go and finding ways to protect that. There's biparts and

727
00:43:45,360 --> 00:43:47,760
Speaker 2: support for a lot of programs like that, which is exciting.

728
00:43:47,880 --> 00:43:51,600
Speaker 2: So when it comes to migrations and corridors and connections,

729
00:43:51,880 --> 00:43:55,640
Speaker 2: all these buzzwords, there's some positivity there, there's some hope. There,

730
00:43:56,080 --> 00:43:59,200
Speaker 2: good stuff there, which brings me to my last book

731
00:43:59,239 --> 00:44:02,000
Speaker 2: on that topic, which is called Crossings. This is by

732
00:44:02,040 --> 00:44:05,400
Speaker 2: Ben Goldfarb How road ecology is shaping the future of

733
00:44:05,440 --> 00:44:08,600
Speaker 2: our planet. So this takes a look at this broad

734
00:44:08,840 --> 00:44:12,320
Speaker 2: topic we've been talking about, but from the specific angle

735
00:44:12,360 --> 00:44:17,080
Speaker 2: of roads, how roads are impacting wildlife in many different ways,

736
00:44:17,120 --> 00:44:20,560
Speaker 2: interesting surprising ways. There's the obvious things like what I

737
00:44:20,640 --> 00:44:23,600
Speaker 2: just talked about, like what happens when roads cut two

738
00:44:23,680 --> 00:44:25,879
Speaker 2: chunks of habitat in two and all of a sudden

739
00:44:25,920 --> 00:44:28,040
Speaker 2: it's hard to get from place A to place B.

740
00:44:29,120 --> 00:44:32,520
Speaker 2: So he explores that. He explores actual, you know, direct

741
00:44:32,560 --> 00:44:35,760
Speaker 2: impacts like roadkill. What's the impact of roadkill on wild

742
00:44:35,760 --> 00:44:38,960
Speaker 2: animals across the country and on us? What's the impact

743
00:44:39,000 --> 00:44:42,560
Speaker 2: of roads on insect populations? That one was interesting and

744
00:44:42,640 --> 00:44:45,600
Speaker 2: new to me. Some really interesting stuff there. How about birds,

745
00:44:45,640 --> 00:44:48,880
Speaker 2: impacts on birds? What about fish? I don't think a

746
00:44:48,880 --> 00:44:51,400
Speaker 2: lot of us think about or realize how much roads

747
00:44:51,480 --> 00:44:56,120
Speaker 2: impact fish and the connectivity and ability for fish to

748
00:44:56,160 --> 00:44:58,520
Speaker 2: move up and down streams or to get to their

749
00:44:58,560 --> 00:45:01,960
Speaker 2: spawning grounds. All of that is explored here. Ben is

750
00:45:01,960 --> 00:45:04,120
Speaker 2: another one of those great writers. He wrote another book

751
00:45:04,160 --> 00:45:09,000
Speaker 2: about beaver's called Eager, if I remember correctly, and so

752
00:45:09,400 --> 00:45:12,799
Speaker 2: there's another wildlife suggestion for you. Eager explores the role

753
00:45:12,840 --> 00:45:17,360
Speaker 2: that beavers play in many ways benefiting the ecosystems and

754
00:45:17,400 --> 00:45:20,879
Speaker 2: many other animals around them. They're these ecosystem engineers. They

755
00:45:20,920 --> 00:45:24,640
Speaker 2: create new habitats that then support lots of different animals.

756
00:45:24,719 --> 00:45:27,799
Speaker 2: So that's an interesting one too. But Crossings, I think,

757
00:45:27,880 --> 00:45:30,400
Speaker 2: is something that you know, whether you are into bugs

758
00:45:30,520 --> 00:45:33,880
Speaker 2: or birds, or bears or big bucks, there's going to

759
00:45:33,920 --> 00:45:35,719
Speaker 2: be something in here that is going to be interesting

760
00:45:35,760 --> 00:45:40,480
Speaker 2: to you. There's some you know, both concerning news in here,

761
00:45:40,520 --> 00:45:43,680
Speaker 2: but then also some really great encouraging examples of success,

762
00:45:43,920 --> 00:45:46,160
Speaker 2: examples of ways that things are getting better or can

763
00:45:46,200 --> 00:45:50,239
Speaker 2: get better. So that's up your alley. Crossing's is a

764
00:45:50,239 --> 00:45:53,360
Speaker 2: really good one. Ben's a great writer, easy to read,

765
00:45:53,480 --> 00:45:57,040
Speaker 2: easy to follow. I read this during spring break last

766
00:45:57,120 --> 00:45:59,439
Speaker 2: year and it was a it was a good pool read.

767
00:45:59,600 --> 00:46:01,879
Speaker 2: So you're planning a spring break trip coming up, here

768
00:46:01,880 --> 00:46:05,080
Speaker 2: pretty soon. This might be just the ticket for you. There.

769
00:46:05,960 --> 00:46:07,640
Speaker 2: I'm going to give you one another one here that

770
00:46:07,680 --> 00:46:11,120
Speaker 2: I don't have a physical version with with me, but

771
00:46:11,200 --> 00:46:14,000
Speaker 2: I have the audiobook it's on here. It's called The

772
00:46:14,040 --> 00:46:18,719
Speaker 2: Sixth Extinction by Elizabeth Colbert. This is one of the

773
00:46:18,760 --> 00:46:23,040
Speaker 2: most iconic high level examinations of the state of wildlife

774
00:46:23,080 --> 00:46:27,240
Speaker 2: today across the world. This is something that my book explores.

775
00:46:27,280 --> 00:46:31,040
Speaker 2: My upcoming book explores this, but more narrowly in America.

776
00:46:31,800 --> 00:46:37,720
Speaker 2: The Sixth Extinction examines this from a worldwide perspective. Scientists, biologists,

777
00:46:38,360 --> 00:46:41,120
Speaker 2: researches of all types are seeing now that we have

778
00:46:41,239 --> 00:46:44,200
Speaker 2: a rate of extinction, a decline in wildlife across the

779
00:46:44,200 --> 00:46:48,719
Speaker 2: world that has not been seen in many, many, many, many, many,

780
00:46:48,760 --> 00:46:51,600
Speaker 2: many many years. There's only there been five other events

781
00:46:51,600 --> 00:46:54,600
Speaker 2: in the history of the world where this mass decline

782
00:46:54,600 --> 00:46:58,680
Speaker 2: in wildlife has occurred. That's not happening again. It's because

783
00:46:58,680 --> 00:47:01,799
Speaker 2: of people, a lot of questions. It's all related to

784
00:47:01,840 --> 00:47:04,160
Speaker 2: many of the things we've talked about or these other books.

785
00:47:04,440 --> 00:47:06,600
Speaker 2: The Sixth Extinction is is maybe one of the best

786
00:47:06,640 --> 00:47:08,960
Speaker 2: introductions to that topic. So maybe I should have put

787
00:47:08,960 --> 00:47:11,440
Speaker 2: this at the beginning of the list. You know, as

788
00:47:11,440 --> 00:47:14,279
Speaker 2: I'm thinking about this, maybe I should have had you know,

789
00:47:14,280 --> 00:47:16,920
Speaker 2: the American history in the wild world first, as I did,

790
00:47:17,000 --> 00:47:19,440
Speaker 2: because that gives you some history, and then the sixth

791
00:47:19,440 --> 00:47:22,919
Speaker 2: Extinction maybe should have gone next, as that's saying, okay,

792
00:47:22,920 --> 00:47:24,880
Speaker 2: now here's where we are right now. And then all

793
00:47:24,920 --> 00:47:26,960
Speaker 2: the rest of the books kind of explore pieces and

794
00:47:27,000 --> 00:47:30,160
Speaker 2: parts of that story with different species or different trends

795
00:47:30,239 --> 00:47:33,759
Speaker 2: or impacts to wildlife. So anyways, Elizabeth is one of

796
00:47:33,800 --> 00:47:36,560
Speaker 2: the best. She's you know, she's been a feature writer

797
00:47:36,680 --> 00:47:40,640
Speaker 2: for The New Yorker and other major publications. And she, again,

798
00:47:41,000 --> 00:47:44,080
Speaker 2: as David does, goes out into the field, meets with

799
00:47:44,160 --> 00:47:46,560
Speaker 2: the researchers, meets with the people on the ground who

800
00:47:46,600 --> 00:47:51,239
Speaker 2: are studying you know, toads in the tropical rainforest, or

801
00:47:51,960 --> 00:47:54,800
Speaker 2: lord knows what other animals. And it is really trying

802
00:47:54,840 --> 00:47:59,319
Speaker 2: to shine a light on what exactly is happening with wildlife.

803
00:47:59,360 --> 00:48:01,799
Speaker 2: Why are so much many different species and decline in

804
00:48:01,880 --> 00:48:04,200
Speaker 2: so many different areas, all at the same time in

805
00:48:04,239 --> 00:48:08,280
Speaker 2: such dramatic fashion. This is a great introduction to that topic,

806
00:48:09,239 --> 00:48:12,400
Speaker 2: and it's won all sorts of awards. It's kind of

807
00:48:12,400 --> 00:48:17,920
Speaker 2: top of the list for that broad set of of categories. Finally,

808
00:48:18,719 --> 00:48:22,120
Speaker 2: one last suggestion for you here. This is a book

809
00:48:22,200 --> 00:48:27,279
Speaker 2: that talks about caribou, and caribou are a really really

810
00:48:27,280 --> 00:48:29,600
Speaker 2: interesting animal to me. They're an animal that I have

811
00:48:29,719 --> 00:48:32,200
Speaker 2: had the really good fortune to be able to hunt

812
00:48:32,600 --> 00:48:35,719
Speaker 2: and then also to visit just to watch. They are

813
00:48:35,800 --> 00:48:40,520
Speaker 2: a species that you know, they exist at a number

814
00:48:40,560 --> 00:48:42,960
Speaker 2: and at a scale that's unlike anything else we have

815
00:48:43,000 --> 00:48:45,560
Speaker 2: in North America. I think so many of us think

816
00:48:45,600 --> 00:48:49,000
Speaker 2: back on two things when we think about vast abundance

817
00:48:49,040 --> 00:48:50,880
Speaker 2: of wildlife. We think about how it used to be

818
00:48:50,920 --> 00:48:53,719
Speaker 2: in America with the buffalo, when there used to be

819
00:48:54,480 --> 00:48:57,600
Speaker 2: tens of millions of these animals streaming across the Gray Plains.

820
00:48:57,960 --> 00:49:00,400
Speaker 2: And I don't know about you, but I've found myself

821
00:49:00,400 --> 00:49:02,480
Speaker 2: in the Great Plains many times dreaming of what that

822
00:49:02,560 --> 00:49:05,160
Speaker 2: must have been like to see something like that. Or

823
00:49:05,320 --> 00:49:09,640
Speaker 2: we think about the huge migrations of wilderbeast or antelope

824
00:49:09,719 --> 00:49:12,080
Speaker 2: or zebras or other animals like that out in the

825
00:49:12,120 --> 00:49:15,399
Speaker 2: plains of Africa. How incredible that must be. I've never

826
00:49:15,440 --> 00:49:20,880
Speaker 2: seen that, but it sure looks amazing, phenomenal, just awe inspiring.

827
00:49:21,640 --> 00:49:23,640
Speaker 2: I think a lot of us forget that we have

828
00:49:23,840 --> 00:49:28,279
Speaker 2: something like that still in America. Up in Alaska or

829
00:49:28,320 --> 00:49:32,680
Speaker 2: in Canada, there are still vast herds of cariboo. There

830
00:49:32,680 --> 00:49:37,759
Speaker 2: are these hundreds of thousands strong groups of caribou migrating

831
00:49:37,840 --> 00:49:42,839
Speaker 2: back and forth across the tundra in just jaw dropping abundance.

832
00:49:43,239 --> 00:49:46,480
Speaker 2: And they're just such interesting animals. These these animals can

833
00:49:46,520 --> 00:49:50,160
Speaker 2: migrate thousands of miles, they can live in the harshest

834
00:49:50,200 --> 00:49:53,120
Speaker 2: of conditions and survive year after year after year, and

835
00:49:53,120 --> 00:49:56,400
Speaker 2: they can somehow collectively remember where to go in the

836
00:49:56,400 --> 00:49:58,120
Speaker 2: winter and where to go in the summer, and where

837
00:49:58,120 --> 00:50:00,640
Speaker 2: the best food is and where the safest places to

838
00:50:01,080 --> 00:50:04,520
Speaker 2: have their calves are. And they can do this amidst

839
00:50:04,640 --> 00:50:08,600
Speaker 2: you know, incredibly difficult weather conditions, and while being hunted

840
00:50:08,640 --> 00:50:13,040
Speaker 2: by wolves or grizzlies, while dealing with swarms of insects

841
00:50:13,120 --> 00:50:18,960
Speaker 2: of ungodly numbers. They're just an impressive, unbelievable animal. And

842
00:50:19,000 --> 00:50:23,640
Speaker 2: it's so wild that we still have that, even in

843
00:50:23,680 --> 00:50:25,799
Speaker 2: this modern day, when it seems like so much of

844
00:50:25,800 --> 00:50:29,600
Speaker 2: our wild world has been domesticated. You know, in some

845
00:50:29,719 --> 00:50:33,360
Speaker 2: kind of way, most of us experience wildlife and small

846
00:50:33,800 --> 00:50:36,880
Speaker 2: parcels of land in the country or in your backyard,

847
00:50:36,880 --> 00:50:39,759
Speaker 2: in the neighborhood, or in a park in town. But

848
00:50:39,800 --> 00:50:43,799
Speaker 2: we still have like big, wild, crazy stuff like two

849
00:50:43,920 --> 00:50:47,120
Speaker 2: hundred and fifty thousand strong herds of caribou or whatever

850
00:50:47,160 --> 00:50:50,279
Speaker 2: it might be. In this book, A Thousand Trails Home

851
00:50:51,000 --> 00:50:55,440
Speaker 2: Living with Caribou by Seth Cantner is a terrific examination

852
00:50:55,520 --> 00:50:58,960
Speaker 2: of what it's like to still live alongside that wild

853
00:50:59,440 --> 00:51:06,680
Speaker 2: and asked an unincredible wild herd of caribou what that's

854
00:51:06,800 --> 00:51:10,640
Speaker 2: like to be with those animals firsthand. Seth was raised

855
00:51:11,120 --> 00:51:13,680
Speaker 2: in the in the Deep Bush of Alaska by a

856
00:51:13,719 --> 00:51:16,560
Speaker 2: family that was living off the land, a sustenance lifestyle.

857
00:51:16,960 --> 00:51:20,040
Speaker 2: He grew up, you know, surrounded by and living right

858
00:51:20,080 --> 00:51:23,680
Speaker 2: amidst the caribou migration of the Western Arctic caribou herd.

859
00:51:24,040 --> 00:51:25,840
Speaker 2: And so he tells a story of what that's like

860
00:51:26,000 --> 00:51:28,400
Speaker 2: to live that life, to live off the land. For

861
00:51:28,480 --> 00:51:30,960
Speaker 2: caribou not to be just something that is way out

862
00:51:30,960 --> 00:51:33,880
Speaker 2: there and exciting to know is out there, or something

863
00:51:33,880 --> 00:51:35,480
Speaker 2: that maybe someday I'll get to go up there once

864
00:51:35,520 --> 00:51:38,200
Speaker 2: in my life and hunt, but instead what it's like

865
00:51:38,280 --> 00:51:42,120
Speaker 2: to live with them, to depend on them for you know,

866
00:51:42,360 --> 00:51:44,759
Speaker 2: major parts of what they needed to live out there,

867
00:51:45,760 --> 00:51:49,760
Speaker 2: and then how other people utilize caribou, how the native

868
00:51:49,760 --> 00:51:53,239
Speaker 2: people's there depended on them, how they've incorporated caribo into

869
00:51:53,280 --> 00:51:55,719
Speaker 2: their lifestyle and their culture and their traditions and their

870
00:51:55,760 --> 00:51:59,760
Speaker 2: faith and many other things like that. And then finally,

871
00:51:59,760 --> 00:52:02,560
Speaker 2: what's going on now? How are things changing for cariboo,

872
00:52:02,600 --> 00:52:07,160
Speaker 2: how's the landscape changing there, What is the future of

873
00:52:07,680 --> 00:52:10,920
Speaker 2: caribou going to hold? What will the future hold for

874
00:52:10,960 --> 00:52:16,160
Speaker 2: the people that live with caribou bold Those questions are

875
00:52:16,200 --> 00:52:19,279
Speaker 2: what are tackled in A Thousand Trails Home. And it

876
00:52:19,400 --> 00:52:24,160
Speaker 2: is a beautiful books. There's beautiful photography in here, you know.

877
00:52:24,280 --> 00:52:27,200
Speaker 2: So it's got pictures if you like pictures. It's got

878
00:52:27,239 --> 00:52:29,920
Speaker 2: great stories if you like that. It's got great information

879
00:52:30,000 --> 00:52:32,160
Speaker 2: if you just want to learn about these animals. And

880
00:52:32,200 --> 00:52:36,520
Speaker 2: I think it paints a very clear picture of where

881
00:52:36,560 --> 00:52:39,600
Speaker 2: things are headed with caribou that I think would be

882
00:52:39,719 --> 00:52:43,560
Speaker 2: important and useful for all of us to understand, whether

883
00:52:43,600 --> 00:52:46,360
Speaker 2: you live in Alaska where caribou exists, or if you

884
00:52:46,440 --> 00:52:49,600
Speaker 2: live thousands of miles away and simply dream of someday

885
00:52:49,640 --> 00:52:52,520
Speaker 2: seeing caribou. I think it's a species worth wrapping her

886
00:52:52,520 --> 00:52:56,080
Speaker 2: head around. Because there is some major change underway for them,

887
00:52:56,840 --> 00:53:03,200
Speaker 2: and if our generation doesn't find some way to get

888
00:53:03,200 --> 00:53:06,600
Speaker 2: a grip on that and change the current trajectory, our

889
00:53:06,719 --> 00:53:09,880
Speaker 2: generation might be one of the last to have that chance.

890
00:53:11,440 --> 00:53:13,799
Speaker 2: I'll leave it at that, but I do think this

891
00:53:13,880 --> 00:53:17,120
Speaker 2: is an important book, and if you are intrigued by

892
00:53:17,160 --> 00:53:19,720
Speaker 2: this and would like to learn more, another caribou related

893
00:53:19,719 --> 00:53:22,120
Speaker 2: book I would also recommend. It is called Being Caribou

894
00:53:22,560 --> 00:53:25,960
Speaker 2: by Carston Hewer, and that book's like ten or twenty

895
00:53:26,120 --> 00:53:29,160
Speaker 2: or twenty ish years old, I think. But that book

896
00:53:29,239 --> 00:53:32,319
Speaker 2: follows a husband and wife duo who decides to try

897
00:53:32,320 --> 00:53:36,800
Speaker 2: to follow the porcupine caribou herds migration, which is thousands

898
00:53:36,840 --> 00:53:40,520
Speaker 2: of miles from winter range to summer across the Brooks

899
00:53:40,640 --> 00:53:43,960
Speaker 2: Range Mountains across the coastal plain. This is up in

900
00:53:44,000 --> 00:53:47,000
Speaker 2: the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge and then some neighboring land

901
00:53:47,320 --> 00:53:51,759
Speaker 2: in Canada. So just an epic adventure story while also

902
00:53:51,880 --> 00:53:55,600
Speaker 2: learning all about what these Cariboo live through, what that's like,

903
00:53:55,640 --> 00:53:58,759
Speaker 2: where they go, what they do, why they do it

904
00:53:59,000 --> 00:54:02,239
Speaker 2: very very interesting. So I think A Thousand Trails Home

905
00:54:02,280 --> 00:54:05,120
Speaker 2: will help you better understand what's happening today and what

906
00:54:05,120 --> 00:54:08,200
Speaker 2: it's like to live with them, and then being caribou

907
00:54:08,320 --> 00:54:11,000
Speaker 2: will give you an interesting glimpse at what it's like

908
00:54:11,120 --> 00:54:15,160
Speaker 2: to try to follow them and what that world looks like.

909
00:54:15,560 --> 00:54:21,279
Speaker 2: So there are ten plus recommendations for you for wildlife

910
00:54:21,280 --> 00:54:24,640
Speaker 2: related books. We've got everything from white tails to caribou

911
00:54:24,880 --> 00:54:28,480
Speaker 2: to grizzly bears, to from the history of wildlife to

912
00:54:28,600 --> 00:54:33,040
Speaker 2: the future of wildlife. From you know, adventure stories with

913
00:54:33,200 --> 00:54:37,439
Speaker 2: wildlife to deep dives into the science of wildlife. Try

914
00:54:37,440 --> 00:54:40,960
Speaker 2: to give you a little bit of everything, but all

915
00:54:41,360 --> 00:54:45,160
Speaker 2: all definitely highly recommended reads. Like I mentioned at the top,

916
00:54:45,440 --> 00:54:47,400
Speaker 2: you can get the hard copy like these are, but

917
00:54:47,440 --> 00:54:49,840
Speaker 2: also you can get them on your phone. If you

918
00:54:49,920 --> 00:54:52,719
Speaker 2: like ebooks, go for it. You can do that. One

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00:54:52,719 --> 00:54:55,840
Speaker 2: thing I do like about ebooks when I'm gonna really

920
00:54:55,840 --> 00:54:57,759
Speaker 2: try to research something and I want to be able

921
00:54:57,760 --> 00:54:59,440
Speaker 2: to go back and look at, you know, facts and

922
00:54:59,520 --> 00:55:01,879
Speaker 2: quotes and stuff, I do use my little kindle here

923
00:55:02,280 --> 00:55:04,520
Speaker 2: and I have the note taking function where I can

924
00:55:04,680 --> 00:55:07,440
Speaker 2: save little excerpts. I like to do that, come back

925
00:55:07,440 --> 00:55:11,040
Speaker 2: to those things or save quotes. But yeah, hop in

926
00:55:11,080 --> 00:55:13,000
Speaker 2: the car with an audiobook of one of these, give

927
00:55:13,040 --> 00:55:16,520
Speaker 2: that a listen, and I think you're gonna I think

928
00:55:16,560 --> 00:55:19,000
Speaker 2: you'll enjoy it. I think you'll learn something. I think

929
00:55:19,000 --> 00:55:21,760
Speaker 2: all of these books will give you maybe a little

930
00:55:21,760 --> 00:55:24,480
Speaker 2: bit more to chew on than your typical podcast that

931
00:55:24,520 --> 00:55:26,960
Speaker 2: you listen to. So I hope this is helpful. I

932
00:55:26,960 --> 00:55:29,120
Speaker 2: hope I give you some ideas that you're excited about.

933
00:55:29,440 --> 00:55:32,160
Speaker 2: And I certainly appreciate you tuning in here to listen

934
00:55:32,200 --> 00:55:35,279
Speaker 2: to me just run my mouth about books for an hour.

935
00:55:36,640 --> 00:55:38,520
Speaker 2: As most of you know, that's kind of right up

936
00:55:38,520 --> 00:55:41,680
Speaker 2: my alley. And love my books and love exploring all

937
00:55:41,719 --> 00:55:43,560
Speaker 2: things wildlife. So I'm hoping there's a few of wee

938
00:55:43,640 --> 00:55:46,279
Speaker 2: out there like that too. If you are interested in

939
00:55:46,320 --> 00:55:48,959
Speaker 2: my book, which is coming out, you know, like nine

940
00:55:49,040 --> 00:55:52,759
Speaker 2: or ten months from now, you can follow me on Instagram.

941
00:55:53,000 --> 00:55:56,879
Speaker 2: It's my handle now is at Mark Kenyan Official. I'll

942
00:55:56,880 --> 00:56:00,000
Speaker 2: definitely have updates there, and then also on my personal website,

943
00:56:00,280 --> 00:56:02,640
Speaker 2: I'll be posting updates to the newsletter there, and that's

944
00:56:02,680 --> 00:56:06,759
Speaker 2: Mark Kenyon dot net. So stay tuned. That's an exploration

945
00:56:06,880 --> 00:56:09,840
Speaker 2: of the state of fish and wildlife in America and

946
00:56:09,920 --> 00:56:13,040
Speaker 2: where we're headed, and an interesting look at the unique

947
00:56:13,040 --> 00:56:17,040
Speaker 2: perspective that hunters and anglers bring to that and how

948
00:56:17,040 --> 00:56:19,799
Speaker 2: we can make sure we keep these creatures around for

949
00:56:19,880 --> 00:56:22,920
Speaker 2: the long run. So that is it for me today.

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Speaker 2: I appreciate you joining, thanks, thanks for being a part

951
00:56:26,239 --> 00:56:30,640
Speaker 2: of this community. And until next time when the next episode,

952
00:56:30,640 --> 00:56:33,200
Speaker 2: as I mentioned that will be with Jake as your

953
00:56:33,239 --> 00:56:37,719
Speaker 2: host that week talking white Tales. Until then, I appreciate

954
00:56:37,800 --> 00:56:40,879
Speaker 2: you and stay wired to Hunt.