1 00:00:00,080 --> 00:00:04,280 Speaker 1: It's time to get inside the Giants Huddle on giants 2 00:00:04,320 --> 00:00:11,000 Speaker 1: dot Com, part of the Giants podcast Network. Welcome to 3 00:00:11,039 --> 00:00:14,080 Speaker 1: the latest edition of the Giants Huddle podcast. He's Jeff 4 00:00:14,080 --> 00:00:17,520 Speaker 1: Eagle's I'm Lance Meadow and it's a special rapid reaction 5 00:00:17,720 --> 00:00:19,959 Speaker 1: edition as the Giants have landed a new head coach 6 00:00:20,000 --> 00:00:23,120 Speaker 1: to joint forces with new gm Joe Shane, and that 7 00:00:23,320 --> 00:00:27,639 Speaker 1: is former Bills offensive coordinator Brian Dable. A reminder, you 8 00:00:27,640 --> 00:00:30,200 Speaker 1: can listen to the Giants Huttle podcast on giants dot Com, 9 00:00:30,240 --> 00:00:33,120 Speaker 1: the Giants Mobile app, and all podcast platforms. You can 10 00:00:33,159 --> 00:00:35,760 Speaker 1: also check out a recent edition of the podcast in 11 00:00:35,760 --> 00:00:39,960 Speaker 1: which we discussed table with a local Bills NFL reporter. Alright, Jeff, 12 00:00:40,040 --> 00:00:42,840 Speaker 1: let's get right into it. As I mentioned, last four 13 00:00:42,920 --> 00:00:46,040 Speaker 1: seasons he served as the Bill's offensive coordinators and that 14 00:00:46,080 --> 00:00:50,360 Speaker 1: goes back to two thousand eighteen, and over those four seasons, 15 00:00:50,680 --> 00:00:53,479 Speaker 1: they obviously developed Josh Allen, the team got into the 16 00:00:53,479 --> 00:00:56,680 Speaker 1: playoff mix, and we saw the amount of success that 17 00:00:56,720 --> 00:00:59,200 Speaker 1: they had obviously in each of the last two seasons, 18 00:00:59,200 --> 00:01:02,520 Speaker 1: they made the conference championship game in two thousand twenty 19 00:01:02,720 --> 00:01:05,680 Speaker 1: felt just short here. In two thousand twenty one, But 20 00:01:05,800 --> 00:01:09,440 Speaker 1: this is somebody that has never served as an NFL 21 00:01:09,480 --> 00:01:12,320 Speaker 1: head coach, but he has been a coordinator. He's been 22 00:01:12,360 --> 00:01:15,840 Speaker 1: a QB coach with various NFL teams. He got his 23 00:01:15,920 --> 00:01:18,120 Speaker 1: start on the NFL level with the Patriots back at 24 00:01:18,200 --> 00:01:20,440 Speaker 1: two thousand. All the way through oh six, he was 25 00:01:20,480 --> 00:01:23,720 Speaker 1: a defensive assistant and a wide receivers coach. Then he 26 00:01:23,760 --> 00:01:25,959 Speaker 1: had another stint with the Patriots as a tight ends 27 00:01:26,000 --> 00:01:28,759 Speaker 1: coach in two thousand, thirteen and sixteen. But we're talking 28 00:01:28,760 --> 00:01:31,640 Speaker 1: about somebody that's been involved in various schemes, has worked 29 00:01:31,640 --> 00:01:34,640 Speaker 1: with various head coaches, and certainly is coming off an 30 00:01:34,680 --> 00:01:38,759 Speaker 1: extremely impressive tenure with the Buffalo Bills. Yeah, I think 31 00:01:38,760 --> 00:01:41,200 Speaker 1: it's exciting. I think that, you know, one thing that 32 00:01:41,319 --> 00:01:44,160 Speaker 1: caught my eye or right here when I heard John 33 00:01:44,240 --> 00:01:47,800 Speaker 1: Mara talk about, um, you know, no, there's there's no 34 00:01:47,920 --> 00:01:49,600 Speaker 1: package or I think about Yeah, I think it was John, 35 00:01:49,640 --> 00:01:53,160 Speaker 1: there's no package deals. Well you got yourself a package 36 00:01:53,160 --> 00:01:56,279 Speaker 1: deal here, so um. But I think what's impressive about 37 00:01:56,320 --> 00:01:58,880 Speaker 1: this is that I think a lot of us wanted 38 00:01:59,120 --> 00:02:02,080 Speaker 1: the new coach to be an offensive minded guy, because, 39 00:02:02,720 --> 00:02:05,800 Speaker 1: with all due respect that the offense was pretty much 40 00:02:05,840 --> 00:02:08,919 Speaker 1: nothing last year, and I think that needs to be fixed. UM. 41 00:02:09,000 --> 00:02:10,919 Speaker 1: And I think that now you have somebody that's gonna 42 00:02:10,919 --> 00:02:14,000 Speaker 1: come in here, UM with a lot of tools, a 43 00:02:14,040 --> 00:02:16,400 Speaker 1: lot of experience. When you look at you know, Brian 44 00:02:16,480 --> 00:02:19,720 Speaker 1: day Ball, Uh, he didn't have much success at the beginning, 45 00:02:19,919 --> 00:02:22,000 Speaker 1: and he had a lot of you know, trouble, you know, 46 00:02:22,240 --> 00:02:24,320 Speaker 1: moving that offense in the right direction, but he did it. 47 00:02:24,760 --> 00:02:27,120 Speaker 1: And now the last couple of years, you know, you 48 00:02:27,200 --> 00:02:29,519 Speaker 1: got a quarterback that's it's probably one of the better 49 00:02:29,560 --> 00:02:32,120 Speaker 1: ones in the National Football League. So it's exciting to 50 00:02:32,160 --> 00:02:35,480 Speaker 1: see that the offense is gonna get improved because of him. Now, 51 00:02:35,600 --> 00:02:38,119 Speaker 1: I would imagine that it's gonna be his offense. Will 52 00:02:38,120 --> 00:02:40,640 Speaker 1: he be calling plays? Most likely? But I guess it's 53 00:02:40,680 --> 00:02:43,880 Speaker 1: gonna be interesting now lands to see about his coaching staff. UM, 54 00:02:43,919 --> 00:02:47,240 Speaker 1: who is going to be the offensive coordinator, UM or 55 00:02:47,440 --> 00:02:49,160 Speaker 1: whatever you want to call him. I would imagine that 56 00:02:49,240 --> 00:02:51,920 Speaker 1: he's gonna maybe be calling the plays or maybe not. 57 00:02:52,000 --> 00:02:54,239 Speaker 1: I don't know, but this is exciting. And I think 58 00:02:54,240 --> 00:02:57,600 Speaker 1: that you heard Joe Shane and his press conference mentioned 59 00:02:57,600 --> 00:02:59,359 Speaker 1: that you know, we don't care if there's no head 60 00:02:59,400 --> 00:03:02,560 Speaker 1: coaching experien that doesn't matter. We're looking for somebody with leadership, 61 00:03:02,880 --> 00:03:05,160 Speaker 1: somebody that can come in and take this, uh this 62 00:03:05,200 --> 00:03:07,560 Speaker 1: football team to the next level. And one thing good 63 00:03:07,560 --> 00:03:10,120 Speaker 1: about Brian day Ball he's also worked with Tom Brady 64 00:03:10,440 --> 00:03:13,720 Speaker 1: and so, and he's worked with Josh Allen. Those are 65 00:03:13,720 --> 00:03:16,480 Speaker 1: some pretty good names, and I think that it's important 66 00:03:16,480 --> 00:03:18,760 Speaker 1: that he comes in here now and tries to get 67 00:03:18,800 --> 00:03:22,600 Speaker 1: everything he can out of Daniel Jones. As far as 68 00:03:22,639 --> 00:03:25,760 Speaker 1: the plate calling question mark that you brought up, I 69 00:03:25,800 --> 00:03:28,920 Speaker 1: think if you bring in a veteran plate caller that 70 00:03:28,960 --> 00:03:32,160 Speaker 1: he's comfortable, who he's had previous history with, maybe you 71 00:03:32,240 --> 00:03:34,920 Speaker 1: feel good about handing over the rings. But I think Jeff, 72 00:03:35,000 --> 00:03:37,760 Speaker 1: we can't forget the appeal of why he was a 73 00:03:37,800 --> 00:03:41,120 Speaker 1: head coaching candidate was because of what he did as 74 00:03:41,160 --> 00:03:43,560 Speaker 1: the plate calls with the Buffalo Bills, Right, So I 75 00:03:43,640 --> 00:03:46,800 Speaker 1: would think part of them that appeal is will come 76 00:03:46,840 --> 00:03:48,840 Speaker 1: over to the Giants. We don't want you and then 77 00:03:48,840 --> 00:03:51,960 Speaker 1: all of a sudden let go of those responsibilities, right. 78 00:03:52,040 --> 00:03:55,040 Speaker 1: We want you to then continue what you did in Buffalo. 79 00:03:55,160 --> 00:03:57,720 Speaker 1: Albeit it's going to be new personnel, so you have 80 00:03:57,760 --> 00:03:59,920 Speaker 1: to keep expectations in check. It's not like he's bringing 81 00:04:00,000 --> 00:04:02,960 Speaker 1: over Josh Allen and Stefon Diggs and everybody else, but 82 00:04:03,600 --> 00:04:06,920 Speaker 1: his scheme, how he moved personnel around. As you mentioned, 83 00:04:06,960 --> 00:04:09,400 Speaker 1: they were not a finished product with the offensive line 84 00:04:09,400 --> 00:04:12,160 Speaker 1: when he took over, Josh Allen was somebody that there 85 00:04:12,200 --> 00:04:14,960 Speaker 1: were questions about his accuracy, remember coming out of college. 86 00:04:14,960 --> 00:04:18,440 Speaker 1: So all of those things they little by little worked 87 00:04:18,480 --> 00:04:20,520 Speaker 1: on and improved. So I guess what I'm getting at 88 00:04:20,640 --> 00:04:23,880 Speaker 1: is my expectation, at least initially. And we'll have to 89 00:04:23,880 --> 00:04:26,560 Speaker 1: wait and hear from Brian Dable when he speaks to 90 00:04:26,600 --> 00:04:29,440 Speaker 1: the media, But I would think that the appeal in 91 00:04:29,480 --> 00:04:32,560 Speaker 1: the priority would be for him to be the play caller, 92 00:04:32,920 --> 00:04:35,799 Speaker 1: given that's what put him in the position to ultimately 93 00:04:35,839 --> 00:04:38,360 Speaker 1: become a head coach. There's no question. I mean, that 94 00:04:38,440 --> 00:04:42,200 Speaker 1: was the sexiness, if you will, about the higher because, um, 95 00:04:42,240 --> 00:04:46,200 Speaker 1: you know, when you watched that Buffalo Bill's team play offensively, 96 00:04:46,560 --> 00:04:49,679 Speaker 1: that's really pretty exciting. Here's the thing that's more exciting 97 00:04:49,760 --> 00:04:52,080 Speaker 1: to me is that the Buffalo Bills really didn't have 98 00:04:52,080 --> 00:04:55,320 Speaker 1: a running game. Um so, I mean, and so when 99 00:04:55,320 --> 00:04:56,960 Speaker 1: you look at what they could do with say, Kawon 100 00:04:57,040 --> 00:05:00,000 Speaker 1: Barkley back there, and also a player that I don't 101 00:05:00,080 --> 00:05:01,840 Speaker 1: really think they had Cole Beasley, but I don't think 102 00:05:01,839 --> 00:05:05,200 Speaker 1: Cole Beasley is Kadarius Tony by any means. So I 103 00:05:05,240 --> 00:05:07,160 Speaker 1: think there's a lot of a lot of things that 104 00:05:07,560 --> 00:05:11,000 Speaker 1: Giants fans should be excited about, if you can, if 105 00:05:10,880 --> 00:05:13,120 Speaker 1: I am I actually saying this can be excited about 106 00:05:13,120 --> 00:05:16,839 Speaker 1: an offense, it's gonna be could be pretty potent, and 107 00:05:17,360 --> 00:05:20,200 Speaker 1: and I just think that there's gotta be. You know, 108 00:05:20,240 --> 00:05:22,760 Speaker 1: when you look at how Daniel Jones needs to play, 109 00:05:23,279 --> 00:05:25,320 Speaker 1: I think this guy is a perfect fit for him 110 00:05:25,360 --> 00:05:27,800 Speaker 1: to come in and work on some things. Look at 111 00:05:27,880 --> 00:05:30,960 Speaker 1: Josh Allen, Okay, he went to Wyoming, Okay, not a 112 00:05:31,040 --> 00:05:34,760 Speaker 1: huge school. Um, you know, a guy that had obviously 113 00:05:34,800 --> 00:05:37,240 Speaker 1: some had to work on some things for a few years, 114 00:05:37,279 --> 00:05:39,839 Speaker 1: but eventually he got there. You know, I look at 115 00:05:39,920 --> 00:05:42,360 Speaker 1: Daniel Jones is a guy that when John Mara has 116 00:05:42,360 --> 00:05:44,840 Speaker 1: said that we did everything that we could to, you know, 117 00:05:44,920 --> 00:05:48,000 Speaker 1: to kill this kid, I screw him up. So I 118 00:05:48,040 --> 00:05:51,720 Speaker 1: think that when you look at Brian Dayball and what 119 00:05:51,760 --> 00:05:54,600 Speaker 1: he could do for the at the quarterback position, being 120 00:05:54,640 --> 00:05:57,320 Speaker 1: a quarterback coach and being an offensive coordinator and showing 121 00:05:57,400 --> 00:06:00,280 Speaker 1: what he's done in the past. With Josh Allen, maybe 122 00:06:00,279 --> 00:06:03,320 Speaker 1: there's you know, something that he can do with with 123 00:06:03,880 --> 00:06:07,840 Speaker 1: um Daniel Jones, and maybe that'll happen because they're gonna 124 00:06:07,880 --> 00:06:09,520 Speaker 1: give him a chance this year. We all know that 125 00:06:09,600 --> 00:06:11,840 Speaker 1: Daniel Jones is going to be the quarterback this season. 126 00:06:12,240 --> 00:06:14,080 Speaker 1: I keep trying to tell everybody that that there's not 127 00:06:14,360 --> 00:06:16,800 Speaker 1: unless I'm crazy, and there's you know, there's a bucket 128 00:06:16,800 --> 00:06:18,320 Speaker 1: of money somewhere that they're gonna be able to go 129 00:06:18,360 --> 00:06:21,760 Speaker 1: do something with or trade. But you know, all indicators 130 00:06:21,760 --> 00:06:23,480 Speaker 1: are showing that he's gonna be the guy and Brian 131 00:06:23,560 --> 00:06:25,320 Speaker 1: Table could be that guy to turn him around, and 132 00:06:25,320 --> 00:06:27,720 Speaker 1: you certainly hope. So so it's exciting and you know what, 133 00:06:27,920 --> 00:06:31,039 Speaker 1: finally here, Wow, what a lot is transpired in the 134 00:06:31,080 --> 00:06:33,599 Speaker 1: last two or three weeks for the New York Football Giants, 135 00:06:33,600 --> 00:06:35,560 Speaker 1: And they got themselves a new GM and now they've 136 00:06:35,560 --> 00:06:39,080 Speaker 1: got themselves a new offensive minded head coach. Absolutely life 137 00:06:39,080 --> 00:06:41,200 Speaker 1: comes at your fast of the NFL. And they are 138 00:06:41,240 --> 00:06:44,600 Speaker 1: both coming from the Buffalo organization. So there's that relationship 139 00:06:44,640 --> 00:06:48,000 Speaker 1: that Jeff in his second But before we get into that, 140 00:06:48,000 --> 00:06:50,120 Speaker 1: because that's obviously an important element, I just want to 141 00:06:50,120 --> 00:06:52,440 Speaker 1: piggyback off of two things you brought up. Number one, 142 00:06:52,720 --> 00:06:54,840 Speaker 1: just in case our listeners are saying themselves, wait a minute, 143 00:06:54,839 --> 00:06:56,800 Speaker 1: the Bills don't have a running game. Yes, Josh Allen 144 00:06:56,880 --> 00:06:59,600 Speaker 1: was the running game, but we're talking about the conventional 145 00:06:59,720 --> 00:07:02,599 Speaker 1: running backs that Devin Singletary is the Zack Moss. Because 146 00:07:02,600 --> 00:07:04,600 Speaker 1: I want to be fair, Allan ran the ball effectively, 147 00:07:04,640 --> 00:07:07,039 Speaker 1: but what we're talking about is the actual running backs. 148 00:07:07,040 --> 00:07:08,960 Speaker 1: That's why Jeff brought up, say Quon Barkley. I just 149 00:07:09,080 --> 00:07:11,480 Speaker 1: wanted to clarify that in case people are saying themselves, 150 00:07:11,480 --> 00:07:13,800 Speaker 1: wait a minute, what's going on? Number two? You brought 151 00:07:13,840 --> 00:07:16,840 Speaker 1: up a very interesting point because if you do look at, 152 00:07:16,960 --> 00:07:20,040 Speaker 1: nobody's talking about statistics and nobody's saying Daniel Jones is 153 00:07:20,120 --> 00:07:23,800 Speaker 1: Josh Allen or vice versa. But they are both mobile 154 00:07:23,960 --> 00:07:27,200 Speaker 1: quarterbacks who have the capability to run. So it's not 155 00:07:27,240 --> 00:07:30,200 Speaker 1: crazy to think that some of the things Jeff that 156 00:07:30,360 --> 00:07:33,320 Speaker 1: day ball ran with Josh Allen, he may say to himself, hey, 157 00:07:33,480 --> 00:07:37,680 Speaker 1: we can have Daniel Jones run similar concepts. However, the 158 00:07:37,760 --> 00:07:41,640 Speaker 1: million dollar question is durability. Okay, how much do you 159 00:07:41,680 --> 00:07:45,280 Speaker 1: want to expose Jones to those hits that Alan has taken? 160 00:07:45,440 --> 00:07:48,400 Speaker 1: When let's be fair, Alan has a very different physique 161 00:07:48,520 --> 00:07:51,080 Speaker 1: and a different makeup that I think you gotta think 162 00:07:51,120 --> 00:07:53,840 Speaker 1: twice about how much do you want to expose Jones 163 00:07:53,880 --> 00:07:56,640 Speaker 1: to considering dismissed at least two starts in each of 164 00:07:56,640 --> 00:07:58,880 Speaker 1: his first three seasons. Well, before you went on that 165 00:07:58,920 --> 00:08:01,440 Speaker 1: little it's not a whatever it was that you just 166 00:08:01,560 --> 00:08:06,960 Speaker 1: a dissertation. Let's understand that Daniel Jones is not Josh Allen, 167 00:08:06,960 --> 00:08:09,560 Speaker 1: which everybody wants to now that Brian Dable is the 168 00:08:09,560 --> 00:08:12,240 Speaker 1: head coach, is gonna say, oh, well, why can't he 169 00:08:12,280 --> 00:08:14,800 Speaker 1: make him look like, you know, Josh Josh Allen because 170 00:08:14,840 --> 00:08:17,080 Speaker 1: he's not, by the way, he's probably I don't know. 171 00:08:17,200 --> 00:08:20,000 Speaker 1: I'm just guessing that Josh Allen's twenty pounds heavier than 172 00:08:20,040 --> 00:08:22,800 Speaker 1: he is, without doubt, and I feel like he's kind 173 00:08:22,840 --> 00:08:25,480 Speaker 1: of built to run where I think that you know, 174 00:08:25,600 --> 00:08:29,000 Speaker 1: Daniel Jones is, well, I'll selly. Josh Allen's pretty quick. 175 00:08:29,120 --> 00:08:31,920 Speaker 1: They're both pretty fast. But the durability issue we have, 176 00:08:32,040 --> 00:08:35,320 Speaker 1: we have history here. Daniel Jones, we know, cannot play 177 00:08:35,320 --> 00:08:37,760 Speaker 1: a whole season, at least he hasn't yet um and 178 00:08:37,840 --> 00:08:40,480 Speaker 1: so you're gonna have to dill it back a little. 179 00:08:40,679 --> 00:08:42,840 Speaker 1: But that doesn't mean that he's not gonna run, and 180 00:08:42,840 --> 00:08:45,440 Speaker 1: they're not gonna have design plays to run. He's just 181 00:08:45,440 --> 00:08:47,839 Speaker 1: gonna have to play smart. And I think that Briandable 182 00:08:47,920 --> 00:08:49,800 Speaker 1: will be able to sit down and explain that to him. 183 00:08:49,840 --> 00:08:52,800 Speaker 1: And you know, as it goes through and they pick 184 00:08:52,880 --> 00:08:55,679 Speaker 1: up the offense and insert game by game, there might 185 00:08:55,720 --> 00:08:57,600 Speaker 1: be a little bit more running against one opponent than 186 00:08:57,640 --> 00:09:00,280 Speaker 1: the other. But hey, let's just set to do and 187 00:09:00,360 --> 00:09:02,680 Speaker 1: it's exciting. I mean, this is a very exciting time. 188 00:09:03,240 --> 00:09:05,280 Speaker 1: And in terms of the other thing that we were 189 00:09:05,280 --> 00:09:08,440 Speaker 1: alluding to earlier, the reason why it's also exciting is 190 00:09:08,480 --> 00:09:11,240 Speaker 1: because if we talk about the importance Jeff of the 191 00:09:11,360 --> 00:09:14,320 Speaker 1: general manager and the head coach being in line with 192 00:09:14,360 --> 00:09:17,280 Speaker 1: one another. And Shane even talked about this right at 193 00:09:17,320 --> 00:09:19,920 Speaker 1: his introductory press or. He talked about the qualities he 194 00:09:19,960 --> 00:09:21,360 Speaker 1: was looking for in a head coach, but he also 195 00:09:21,440 --> 00:09:24,520 Speaker 1: talked about how it's important that everybody's on the same page. 196 00:09:24,559 --> 00:09:28,000 Speaker 1: There's good dialogue, there's good discussion. Well, unlike some of 197 00:09:28,000 --> 00:09:32,040 Speaker 1: the other candidates, Okay, you know, there's a working relationship 198 00:09:32,160 --> 00:09:35,040 Speaker 1: that has already been established between Joe, Shane and Brian 199 00:09:35,080 --> 00:09:37,440 Speaker 1: Table because they've been in Buffalo for the last few 200 00:09:37,480 --> 00:09:41,360 Speaker 1: seasons together, and I guarantee you they've had conversations, whether 201 00:09:41,400 --> 00:09:44,480 Speaker 1: it be in team settings or outside of team settings. 202 00:09:44,679 --> 00:09:47,680 Speaker 1: So at least you know that's been established. You don't 203 00:09:47,720 --> 00:09:49,800 Speaker 1: have to develop that. I guess that's my point, Jeff, 204 00:09:49,840 --> 00:09:52,640 Speaker 1: you come in already it's already there. And I think 205 00:09:52,679 --> 00:09:56,440 Speaker 1: that at least is a big attractive positive because also, 206 00:09:56,760 --> 00:09:59,080 Speaker 1: who did Brian Table work with? Jeff? He worked with 207 00:09:59,200 --> 00:10:03,080 Speaker 1: personnel that Brandon being the general manager and Joe Shane 208 00:10:03,160 --> 00:10:05,839 Speaker 1: gave him to work with. So I think that there's 209 00:10:05,960 --> 00:10:10,040 Speaker 1: a philosophy that is somewhat shared and has been established 210 00:10:10,080 --> 00:10:12,439 Speaker 1: over the last few seasons because they clearly have had 211 00:10:12,440 --> 00:10:15,320 Speaker 1: success and Dable knows the players that they pinpointed in 212 00:10:15,400 --> 00:10:18,040 Speaker 1: the draft as well as in free agency. I don't 213 00:10:18,120 --> 00:10:22,840 Speaker 1: think that we've talked enough about Sean McDermott in this mix, okay, 214 00:10:22,880 --> 00:10:25,560 Speaker 1: So I feel like he is a heck of a 215 00:10:25,600 --> 00:10:29,320 Speaker 1: football coach, another special teams coach by the way, a 216 00:10:29,360 --> 00:10:31,320 Speaker 1: guy that kind of cut his teeth through the league. 217 00:10:31,800 --> 00:10:34,199 Speaker 1: Um with Philadelphia back in the day, he was a 218 00:10:34,400 --> 00:10:37,240 Speaker 1: special teams guy. Here's the thing, you know, when you 219 00:10:37,280 --> 00:10:41,240 Speaker 1: talk about Sean McDermott working with Joe Shane, well, you 220 00:10:41,280 --> 00:10:43,840 Speaker 1: know their offensive coordinator. Those all three of those guys 221 00:10:44,040 --> 00:10:46,559 Speaker 1: worked together. They all picked up on things that they 222 00:10:46,559 --> 00:10:51,160 Speaker 1: do successfully. Now remove Sean McDermott, but you've got two 223 00:10:51,200 --> 00:10:54,800 Speaker 1: thirds of the group there right offensively, I'm saying. So 224 00:10:55,280 --> 00:10:58,440 Speaker 1: that's just how positive is that now that you bring 225 00:10:58,480 --> 00:11:02,920 Speaker 1: that into the into the Giants building. Um. And by 226 00:11:02,960 --> 00:11:05,520 Speaker 1: the way, those guys have all been through the draft. 227 00:11:06,000 --> 00:11:10,360 Speaker 1: They see how Brandon Bean has drafted wal Joe Shane 228 00:11:10,400 --> 00:11:13,040 Speaker 1: was his right hand man. And by the way, Brian 229 00:11:13,120 --> 00:11:16,160 Speaker 1: Table was in every single one of those meetings, all 230 00:11:16,200 --> 00:11:18,760 Speaker 1: the draft stuff that they did, working up into the 231 00:11:18,880 --> 00:11:21,080 Speaker 1: day of the draft, the first three rounds. You know 232 00:11:21,120 --> 00:11:22,680 Speaker 1: that he had to say and some of this stuff 233 00:11:22,800 --> 00:11:28,000 Speaker 1: offensively at least, So that type of relationship, like you said, 234 00:11:28,200 --> 00:11:31,880 Speaker 1: is not having to be developed. It's already there. I mean, 235 00:11:31,960 --> 00:11:34,600 Speaker 1: it's that's that you've got yourself a seasoned wine. I mean, 236 00:11:34,640 --> 00:11:38,280 Speaker 1: it's ready to go. It's gonna taste good. So I 237 00:11:38,320 --> 00:11:40,760 Speaker 1: think that that's a positive and I think people should 238 00:11:40,760 --> 00:11:42,800 Speaker 1: really look at that as something that you know, we 239 00:11:42,840 --> 00:11:45,560 Speaker 1: don't talk a lot about, but this team needs help, 240 00:11:45,880 --> 00:11:49,040 Speaker 1: and this name team needs direction from a personnel department 241 00:11:49,480 --> 00:11:51,680 Speaker 1: moving and forward. And I think that both these guys 242 00:11:51,679 --> 00:11:53,520 Speaker 1: can bring that to it. Because Brian Dable is now 243 00:11:53,600 --> 00:11:56,000 Speaker 1: the head coach, he's not the offensive coordinator anymore. He's 244 00:11:56,000 --> 00:11:57,920 Speaker 1: gonna be able to make some of these decisions with 245 00:11:58,000 --> 00:11:59,959 Speaker 1: Joe Shane that he would have never been able to 246 00:12:00,120 --> 00:12:02,840 Speaker 1: make when he was with Buffalo, because to your point, 247 00:12:02,880 --> 00:12:05,920 Speaker 1: Sean McDermott was there, and then Brandon Bean also was 248 00:12:05,960 --> 00:12:08,120 Speaker 1: ahead of Joe Shane in terms of the pecking order. 249 00:12:08,160 --> 00:12:11,760 Speaker 1: And I want to also, Jeff, build another parallel between 250 00:12:11,800 --> 00:12:14,920 Speaker 1: Buffalo and the Giants and once again different personnel and 251 00:12:14,960 --> 00:12:18,520 Speaker 1: so fur but we're talking more about the relationship. Interestingly, 252 00:12:19,160 --> 00:12:23,200 Speaker 1: you had Sean McDermott became the Bill's head coach, then 253 00:12:23,280 --> 00:12:27,480 Speaker 1: he brought in Brandon Bean, and then Joe Shane followed. Well, 254 00:12:27,480 --> 00:12:30,520 Speaker 1: where did all of those guys previously work together, Jeff, 255 00:12:30,640 --> 00:12:34,360 Speaker 1: they worked together in Carolina. So McDermott when he got 256 00:12:34,400 --> 00:12:37,520 Speaker 1: the Buffalo job, he prioritized, Hey, I want to bring 257 00:12:37,520 --> 00:12:40,439 Speaker 1: in a general manager that I already have a working relationship. 258 00:12:40,480 --> 00:12:42,600 Speaker 1: So the reason I'm bringing that up is that was 259 00:12:42,640 --> 00:12:45,120 Speaker 1: I'm sure in the back of Joe Shane's mind, right Okay, 260 00:12:45,120 --> 00:12:47,480 Speaker 1: now I'm the general manager, Okay, I want to bring 261 00:12:47,520 --> 00:12:50,560 Speaker 1: in a head coach similar to what McDermott and being 262 00:12:50,880 --> 00:12:53,600 Speaker 1: established when they both came to Buffalo. So I guess 263 00:12:53,640 --> 00:12:56,000 Speaker 1: my point is, I'm sure that that was something he 264 00:12:56,040 --> 00:12:58,959 Speaker 1: was thinking about. Right, you go back to your previous relationships, 265 00:12:59,120 --> 00:13:01,520 Speaker 1: your previous experien reasons, and you see, hey, it worked 266 00:13:01,520 --> 00:13:05,559 Speaker 1: welling Buffalo because the established relationship was there just as 267 00:13:05,559 --> 00:13:09,520 Speaker 1: they got things going in two thousands seventeen. And remember 268 00:13:09,800 --> 00:13:13,520 Speaker 1: um when they got there, they really Now Joe Shane 269 00:13:13,600 --> 00:13:17,000 Speaker 1: mentioned in his press conference that somebody asked him about 270 00:13:17,040 --> 00:13:20,559 Speaker 1: cleaning house, and you know, his answer I thought was 271 00:13:20,600 --> 00:13:23,800 Speaker 1: pretty good. You know, just because you did it somewhere 272 00:13:23,800 --> 00:13:26,559 Speaker 1: else doesn't mean you have to do it here. And 273 00:13:26,600 --> 00:13:29,599 Speaker 1: I think that you mentioned the personnel. This team is 274 00:13:29,640 --> 00:13:32,319 Speaker 1: different than that team, and there are some good players 275 00:13:32,320 --> 00:13:34,880 Speaker 1: on this team, and so, but he mentioned this, I 276 00:13:34,920 --> 00:13:36,400 Speaker 1: would just want to I want to get it right, 277 00:13:36,840 --> 00:13:38,800 Speaker 1: and whether it is clean house or not, I just 278 00:13:38,840 --> 00:13:40,200 Speaker 1: want to get it right and make sure that we 279 00:13:40,240 --> 00:13:42,480 Speaker 1: do the right thing. But you know, I think that 280 00:13:42,800 --> 00:13:46,040 Speaker 1: this is a guy that was with a rebuild from 281 00:13:46,080 --> 00:13:49,160 Speaker 1: a point as far as Joe Shane and Brian Dable. 282 00:13:49,240 --> 00:13:52,040 Speaker 1: The last four years, they've built this team back up 283 00:13:52,040 --> 00:13:56,079 Speaker 1: to a legitimate playoff and Super Bowl contender in just 284 00:13:56,120 --> 00:13:59,440 Speaker 1: a matter of three four years. So I think that's 285 00:13:59,559 --> 00:14:02,440 Speaker 1: has a lot promised to this higher I think that 286 00:14:02,440 --> 00:14:04,960 Speaker 1: that was taken into consideration. I think some of the 287 00:14:05,080 --> 00:14:09,000 Speaker 1: questions that all these coaches were asked about is who's 288 00:14:09,000 --> 00:14:11,959 Speaker 1: your coordinators, who's your staff? You know this is an 289 00:14:11,960 --> 00:14:15,520 Speaker 1: offensive coach. Now, who's gonna be your defensive guy? We 290 00:14:15,559 --> 00:14:18,440 Speaker 1: talked about Patrick Graham. Will he get a head coaching job? 291 00:14:18,480 --> 00:14:21,360 Speaker 1: I know he's interviewed for it. Is he gonna stick around? 292 00:14:21,680 --> 00:14:24,600 Speaker 1: There's a lot of things that these answers um these 293 00:14:24,680 --> 00:14:27,240 Speaker 1: questions were asked, and whether you're gonna have the answers 294 00:14:27,320 --> 00:14:29,040 Speaker 1: or not, we're gonna do it pretty soon because you 295 00:14:29,080 --> 00:14:30,920 Speaker 1: got yourself a new head coach. And by the way, 296 00:14:31,080 --> 00:14:34,200 Speaker 1: those dominoes start falling. Now this is where the we're 297 00:14:34,400 --> 00:14:37,120 Speaker 1: the coach was asked. Brian Dabele was asked, when we 298 00:14:37,200 --> 00:14:39,680 Speaker 1: hire you, who's your coaches here? Here, and here? And 299 00:14:40,000 --> 00:14:43,360 Speaker 1: I'm telling you they're on the phone. It's it's happening. 300 00:14:43,560 --> 00:14:46,040 Speaker 1: So we'll be able to hear to who some of 301 00:14:46,040 --> 00:14:48,840 Speaker 1: those hires are sooner than later. Well, it's no different 302 00:14:48,880 --> 00:14:51,360 Speaker 1: than when you interview a general manager, Jeff, right, you 303 00:14:51,400 --> 00:14:54,200 Speaker 1: asked them, well, who's your head coaching candidates? Right? Well, 304 00:14:54,280 --> 00:14:56,680 Speaker 1: same thing when you interview a head coach you asked them, Okay, well, 305 00:14:56,720 --> 00:14:58,840 Speaker 1: who do you have in mind in terms of your staff? 306 00:14:58,880 --> 00:15:03,560 Speaker 1: Is specially when you have a background on offense and 307 00:15:03,800 --> 00:15:06,640 Speaker 1: you now need somebody to handle, as you mentioned, the 308 00:15:06,680 --> 00:15:10,040 Speaker 1: defensive side of the ball. So does he perhaps look 309 00:15:10,120 --> 00:15:14,119 Speaker 1: too an assistant or two within the Buffalo Bills organization. 310 00:15:14,160 --> 00:15:16,440 Speaker 1: I wouldn't rule that out. But remember, as we talked 311 00:15:16,440 --> 00:15:19,080 Speaker 1: about earlier, you're talking about somebody that was with the 312 00:15:19,120 --> 00:15:22,800 Speaker 1: Patriots organization, the Chiefs, the Dolphins, the Browns, the Jets, 313 00:15:23,160 --> 00:15:25,520 Speaker 1: and then New England again and then was exposed to 314 00:15:25,600 --> 00:15:29,160 Speaker 1: college with Alabama two thousands seventeen. So think about all 315 00:15:29,160 --> 00:15:33,080 Speaker 1: the relationships, right, Jeff, that he established during his coaching tenure. 316 00:15:33,360 --> 00:15:36,200 Speaker 1: He'll have plenty of individuals that I'm sure he's talked 317 00:15:36,240 --> 00:15:38,760 Speaker 1: to over the years who have brought new ideas to 318 00:15:38,800 --> 00:15:42,160 Speaker 1: the forefront to tap into on the defensive side of 319 00:15:42,160 --> 00:15:44,400 Speaker 1: the ball. Because whenever you're a head coach for the 320 00:15:44,440 --> 00:15:47,480 Speaker 1: first time, Jeff, we know that Brian Dable could very 321 00:15:47,520 --> 00:15:49,720 Speaker 1: well call the plays and be the head coach. We've 322 00:15:49,720 --> 00:15:51,640 Speaker 1: seen it with a variety of other individuals who have 323 00:15:51,680 --> 00:15:55,600 Speaker 1: made that transition, whether it's Kyle Shanahan, Sean McVeigh, Andy Reid. 324 00:15:55,880 --> 00:15:58,120 Speaker 1: We could sit through the list give you a plethora 325 00:15:58,520 --> 00:16:02,120 Speaker 1: of other names, but it's still important to have faith 326 00:16:02,320 --> 00:16:06,040 Speaker 1: in Hey, my coordinator on defense. I don't need to 327 00:16:06,960 --> 00:16:09,400 Speaker 1: micromanage him. He could go off to his side of 328 00:16:09,400 --> 00:16:12,000 Speaker 1: the building, his office, and he can handle the defensive 329 00:16:12,000 --> 00:16:15,560 Speaker 1: side of the ball. And I would say sometimes when 330 00:16:15,560 --> 00:16:17,800 Speaker 1: you're a first time head coach, even though Briant Deable 331 00:16:17,840 --> 00:16:20,280 Speaker 1: has a wealth of experience, Jeff, it may not hurt 332 00:16:20,400 --> 00:16:22,800 Speaker 1: if you can and if you have already an established 333 00:16:22,800 --> 00:16:26,000 Speaker 1: relationship to bring in somebody who was a previous head coach, 334 00:16:26,120 --> 00:16:29,640 Speaker 1: last defensive coordinate, because then you entrust them, you know 335 00:16:30,080 --> 00:16:32,400 Speaker 1: they can handle their stuff. Case in point, I brought 336 00:16:32,440 --> 00:16:34,880 Speaker 1: up Sean McVeigh, who'd he bring in is his first 337 00:16:34,880 --> 00:16:38,640 Speaker 1: defensive coordinator with the Rams. Wade Phillips. What was Wade Phillips? 338 00:16:38,640 --> 00:16:40,640 Speaker 1: He was a previous head coach of the Cowboys, had 339 00:16:40,720 --> 00:16:44,640 Speaker 1: clearly a well established defensive coordinator. That's a great point. 340 00:16:44,880 --> 00:16:47,480 Speaker 1: And or you say to yourself, you know what, I 341 00:16:47,560 --> 00:16:49,560 Speaker 1: got a guy here that I like. You know, he's 342 00:16:49,600 --> 00:16:52,800 Speaker 1: got internal now yeah, and that would be Patrick Graham 343 00:16:52,960 --> 00:16:57,280 Speaker 1: and so, um, you know, I like that side of 344 00:16:57,280 --> 00:16:59,920 Speaker 1: the football. I think that that you know, defensively they 345 00:17:00,000 --> 00:17:02,880 Speaker 1: can get much better. But I I believe that people 346 00:17:02,920 --> 00:17:05,840 Speaker 1: believe in Patrick Graham and um, you know when you 347 00:17:05,840 --> 00:17:08,919 Speaker 1: look at that defense and who they lost, uh, you 348 00:17:08,920 --> 00:17:11,320 Speaker 1: know there's those guys made a big difference and you know, 349 00:17:11,359 --> 00:17:13,080 Speaker 1: so we'll see what happens. But I agree with you. 350 00:17:13,119 --> 00:17:15,320 Speaker 1: I think that being a first time head coach, you 351 00:17:15,400 --> 00:17:17,200 Speaker 1: kind of want to have somebody on your staff that's 352 00:17:17,200 --> 00:17:20,040 Speaker 1: been there before to be able to help you through 353 00:17:20,080 --> 00:17:23,080 Speaker 1: some of the things that you may not think about. Um, hey, 354 00:17:23,119 --> 00:17:25,760 Speaker 1: you know what, Hey, Brian, step in my office here. 355 00:17:25,800 --> 00:17:27,240 Speaker 1: You know you're about ready to go do this. I 356 00:17:27,240 --> 00:17:28,760 Speaker 1: can tell you when I was a head coach, this 357 00:17:28,800 --> 00:17:31,040 Speaker 1: is what happened. That that goes a long ways. Well, 358 00:17:31,080 --> 00:17:32,800 Speaker 1: and one last thing I want to add, I'm glad 359 00:17:32,800 --> 00:17:35,800 Speaker 1: you brought up Patrick Graham because there is an established 360 00:17:35,800 --> 00:17:38,720 Speaker 1: relationship between Graham and day Ball because when Dable had 361 00:17:38,720 --> 00:17:41,560 Speaker 1: his second stint, with New England who was on staff, 362 00:17:41,840 --> 00:17:46,400 Speaker 1: Patrick Graham. Graham was the linebackers coach in two thousand, 363 00:17:46,440 --> 00:17:49,360 Speaker 1: fourteen and fifteen, and then he became the defensive line 364 00:17:49,359 --> 00:17:51,480 Speaker 1: coach for the Giants in two thousand sixty, so he 365 00:17:51,520 --> 00:17:54,680 Speaker 1: briefly crossed paths with Brian Dable. And if you know 366 00:17:55,280 --> 00:17:57,960 Speaker 1: that he obviously has been guiding this Giant's defense for 367 00:17:57,960 --> 00:18:02,520 Speaker 1: the last two seasons. You like the results, You've already 368 00:18:02,800 --> 00:18:05,360 Speaker 1: seen what Patrick Graham could do up close and personal 369 00:18:05,400 --> 00:18:07,760 Speaker 1: when he was a positional coach. It would make sense 370 00:18:07,800 --> 00:18:10,560 Speaker 1: that he would get heavy consideration, assuming of course, that 371 00:18:10,600 --> 00:18:14,240 Speaker 1: Patrick Graham Jeff does not get a more attractive opportunity elsewhere, 372 00:18:14,240 --> 00:18:17,120 Speaker 1: because remember he's also being considered a candidate for head 373 00:18:17,119 --> 00:18:19,960 Speaker 1: coaching opportunities. Yeah, and and look at this too. So 374 00:18:20,280 --> 00:18:22,480 Speaker 1: you here you got let's just talk about Patrick Graham 375 00:18:22,520 --> 00:18:25,240 Speaker 1: and if he decided to hire him as a defensive coordinator, 376 00:18:25,600 --> 00:18:28,119 Speaker 1: you gotta lay up on your personnel for the team. 377 00:18:28,160 --> 00:18:30,080 Speaker 1: I mean, he's he he was here with a little 378 00:18:30,080 --> 00:18:32,399 Speaker 1: better to talk to. So I mean, so there that 379 00:18:32,440 --> 00:18:37,040 Speaker 1: could help Brian day Ball and Joe Shane immensely as 380 00:18:37,040 --> 00:18:39,280 Speaker 1: far as that you know, with without any kind of 381 00:18:39,320 --> 00:18:41,880 Speaker 1: like trepidation, like, Okay, these are new guys. I can 382 00:18:41,920 --> 00:18:44,560 Speaker 1: tell you about everybody. Um, I know that, you know. 383 00:18:44,680 --> 00:18:46,560 Speaker 1: I don't know the offensive guys like I know the 384 00:18:46,600 --> 00:18:48,520 Speaker 1: defensive guys. But I was on the practice field with 385 00:18:48,600 --> 00:18:51,439 Speaker 1: him every day, I traveled with him every weekend. I 386 00:18:51,520 --> 00:18:54,040 Speaker 1: know these guys, um, you know. So I can help 387 00:18:54,040 --> 00:18:55,840 Speaker 1: you out personnel wise a little bit that way. So 388 00:18:56,080 --> 00:18:58,480 Speaker 1: that's always a feather in their cap too. So we'll 389 00:18:58,480 --> 00:19:00,960 Speaker 1: see what happens. But I do the idea of having 390 00:19:01,359 --> 00:19:04,399 Speaker 1: a first time well, actually I don't like the idea 391 00:19:04,400 --> 00:19:06,119 Speaker 1: of having a first time head coach. That's just not 392 00:19:06,200 --> 00:19:08,760 Speaker 1: one of the prerequisites that I mean, I wanted somebody 393 00:19:08,760 --> 00:19:11,280 Speaker 1: with the head coaching experience, but that's okay, um, But 394 00:19:11,480 --> 00:19:14,840 Speaker 1: I now go to what you said, Lance, and that 395 00:19:14,880 --> 00:19:17,639 Speaker 1: would be maybe trying to find somebody that was a 396 00:19:17,680 --> 00:19:19,399 Speaker 1: head coach that we'll be able to help you with 397 00:19:19,440 --> 00:19:21,520 Speaker 1: some of the decision making and just have a little 398 00:19:21,520 --> 00:19:24,480 Speaker 1: experience there because you're gonna need it for somebody that's 399 00:19:24,520 --> 00:19:26,920 Speaker 1: been there and done that. And to your point, Patrick 400 00:19:27,000 --> 00:19:29,360 Speaker 1: Graham has been there and done that because he's been 401 00:19:29,400 --> 00:19:32,720 Speaker 1: guiding this defense over the last few seasons. So you 402 00:19:32,720 --> 00:19:35,119 Speaker 1: wouldn't have many question marks about, oh, now we have 403 00:19:35,160 --> 00:19:38,400 Speaker 1: to direct traffic. You know, hey, Patrick has established relationships 404 00:19:38,440 --> 00:19:41,560 Speaker 1: with the players and he obviously has an established scheme 405 00:19:41,560 --> 00:19:44,359 Speaker 1: for the sake of continuity. And and that makes a 406 00:19:44,400 --> 00:19:47,000 Speaker 1: big difference, right because you're you're here, you are a 407 00:19:47,040 --> 00:19:51,200 Speaker 1: brand new coach, brand new general manager. You know where 408 00:19:51,240 --> 00:19:53,600 Speaker 1: are where is the continuity on your football team? If 409 00:19:53,640 --> 00:19:55,960 Speaker 1: you lose a Patrick Graham and that staff and then 410 00:19:55,960 --> 00:19:58,480 Speaker 1: all of a sudden newbody. So to me, if you 411 00:19:58,520 --> 00:20:02,440 Speaker 1: want to keep some continuity and and Patrick Graham has 412 00:20:02,560 --> 00:20:05,400 Speaker 1: the pedigree to be he's still here, it's a great 413 00:20:05,400 --> 00:20:07,600 Speaker 1: way to do it. I really do, because you kind 414 00:20:07,600 --> 00:20:10,000 Speaker 1: of want to have some continuity going forward. And that's 415 00:20:10,000 --> 00:20:12,440 Speaker 1: a great place to start because you've got your defense. 416 00:20:12,760 --> 00:20:15,320 Speaker 1: The schemes are the same, the playbooks the same, You've 417 00:20:15,320 --> 00:20:16,720 Speaker 1: got a lot of the same players. You look on 418 00:20:16,760 --> 00:20:18,879 Speaker 1: that defensive side of the the football, there's a lot of 419 00:20:18,880 --> 00:20:21,160 Speaker 1: good players on that side, a lot of young talent. 420 00:20:21,160 --> 00:20:24,080 Speaker 1: When you talk about disease and you know, um, hopefully 421 00:20:24,119 --> 00:20:27,160 Speaker 1: they can get carter back maybe, but there's some some 422 00:20:27,200 --> 00:20:29,000 Speaker 1: good talent on that side of the football. Well, and 423 00:20:29,080 --> 00:20:31,080 Speaker 1: you have young guys too, as you mention that you're 424 00:20:31,080 --> 00:20:32,880 Speaker 1: still trying to develop, So you know, do you want 425 00:20:32,880 --> 00:20:35,119 Speaker 1: to now expose them to new coaches or do you 426 00:20:35,119 --> 00:20:37,320 Speaker 1: want to have a familiar face in the room. So 427 00:20:37,359 --> 00:20:40,399 Speaker 1: that's something else that Brian Dable certainly can consider. So 428 00:20:40,400 --> 00:20:42,399 Speaker 1: there you have it. The Giants have a new head coach, 429 00:20:42,680 --> 00:20:46,000 Speaker 1: Brian Dable, joining forces with him man he's familiar with 430 00:20:46,200 --> 00:20:48,520 Speaker 1: in new GM Joe Shane has both of them come 431 00:20:48,520 --> 00:20:51,960 Speaker 1: over from Buffalo. We'll have more on this on Mondays 432 00:20:51,960 --> 00:20:54,040 Speaker 1: that they should a Big Blue Kickoff live, which you 433 00:20:54,040 --> 00:20:56,400 Speaker 1: can listen to at noon Eastern on giants dot com, 434 00:20:56,440 --> 00:21:00,160 Speaker 1: the mobile app, and on all podcast platforms. For Jeff Eagels, 435 00:21:00,160 --> 00:21:02,240 Speaker 1: I'm Lance Meadow. We will speak to you next time 436 00:21:02,359 --> 00:21:04,520 Speaker 1: right here on the Giant Huddle Podcast