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Speaker 1: of Oregon. Um, I'm Robert Evans. We're talking about bad things,

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Speaker 1: good things, things that are good and bad all that stuff. Woo,

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Speaker 1: about ever on the internet lately. Josephine Robinette Rogan. Oh,

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Speaker 1: I've never heard of him. What does he do? Well?

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Speaker 1: He has a podcast. If you heard a podcast, Garrison,

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Speaker 1: view medical misinformation. UM. They did adopt a clarified policy

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Speaker 1: that prohibits content that promotes dangerous, false, or dangerous deceptive

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Speaker 1: medical information which may cause offline harm or pose a

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Speaker 1: direct threat of public health. UM. And then the Post

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Speaker 1: also announced that a Spotify would add content advisories to

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Speaker 1: any content related to COVID on platform and Instagram. Have No,

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Speaker 1: it's not, it's not. But but if you have the operation,

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Speaker 1: if you can again, if there is like an actual

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Speaker 1: dollar consequence to companies that air massive disinformation, UM, then

436
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Speaker 1: you're not without sort of making Joe Rogan the focus.

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Speaker 1: You can make it so that the people that he

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Speaker 1: actually is accountable to, which is the people who make

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Speaker 1: him give him the money that he gets, UH, have

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Speaker 1: a vested interest in tamping down on the worst excesses

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Speaker 1: that he's responsible for. Like that might have an impact.

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Speaker 1: I don't know, Like part of the problem is that.

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Speaker 1: And one thing we should acknowledge here when we're talking

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Speaker 1: about like what would work better than what's being done,

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Speaker 1: This is a pretty new problem. Versions of it have

446
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Speaker 1: existed before, but without the Internet and without podcasts being

447
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Speaker 1: what they are, this is a pretty new thing to

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Speaker 1: be dealing with. And I'm not I don't. I'm not

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Speaker 1: saying like this is here's the obvious solution to this,

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Speaker 1: but I think we are trying to point out like

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Speaker 1: what folks are doing doesn't work. The tactics being applied

452
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Speaker 1: are not effective, and we should be exploring other opportunities

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Speaker 1: to mitigate this harm that are not well. I guess

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Speaker 1: it's time to delete another app and post about it

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Speaker 1: on Twitter. Yeah. I think I think this is especially

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Speaker 1: a thing with like it's like one of the other

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Speaker 1: things that that's been popping up as broken's like weapons

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Speaker 1: grade transphobia. Yes, oh yeah, jesus, Yeah, and that's that

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Speaker 1: Stuffs is horrifying. Like the racism is also like really bad.

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Speaker 1: He's extremely sexist, but it's like I think, misogynist racist.

461
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Speaker 1: There's a lot of money and being that dude. Yeah. Well,

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Speaker 1: and I think this is sort of you know this,

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Speaker 1: this is you know, this is an inherent problem for

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Speaker 1: the left because fighting it like this this kind of

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Speaker 1: sort of like shock jockey information stuff works better like

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Speaker 1: that that rage economy works better for the right, that

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Speaker 1: does for the left. And I think in some way

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Speaker 1: that means like you have to fight them in other spaces,

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Speaker 1: you like, you know, you you. You can't just like

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Speaker 1: keep throwing yourself. It's the same thing with like so

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Speaker 1: why why why you don't have just like one line

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Speaker 1: where you just run into a bunch of cops over

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Speaker 1: and over again in one spot, right, like, but we try. Yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 1: it's like college, the old college. Yeah, like you know,

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Speaker 1: like in some in some sense, yeah, like it's it's

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Speaker 1: it's it's it's hard to be too hard on these

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Speaker 1: on people who doing this. And it's like if I

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Speaker 1: think they're doing the right thing, but it's like you

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Speaker 1: have to you have to pick your battles. Yeah, you know,

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Speaker 1: if if you're taking a fight that's fair, like that's

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Speaker 1: a that's a bad fight. That is a bad fight

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Speaker 1: for you. You you you need you need to be

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Speaker 1: fighting them in different spheres. You need to be you know,

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Speaker 1: I mean, working for example, on stuff like tech regulation

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Speaker 1: like you you like, working on you know, unionizing these places,

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Speaker 1: right like fighting purely finding them in information space, we

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Speaker 1: will lose every time. The advantage that we have is

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Speaker 1: that we also do other things. And it's it's you know,

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Speaker 1: we're we're going to keep losing hearing if you know,

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Speaker 1: if we keep fighting them in exactly the same way here,

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Speaker 1: We're going to keep losing. So we have to you know,

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Speaker 1: like we we we we have to fight in other places.

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Speaker 1: And that's hard and it sucks because you know, this

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Speaker 1: is such a misspart of just what reality is now

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Speaker 1: is you know, yelling at people online. But like you

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Speaker 1: have to stop doing that because it's not the problem

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Speaker 1: is that we've all gotten fucking caught for quite some

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Speaker 1: time in this escalating culture war, and it's not It's

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Speaker 1: not a battle ground that can be entirely ignored because

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Speaker 1: when you kind of seed ground them, they create conspiracy

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Speaker 1: murdering people in the streets, or they spread conspiracy theories

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Speaker 1: about masks that lead to them occupying Ottawa. Um. So

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Speaker 1: it can't the culture war battleground cannot be ignored. But

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Speaker 1: at the end of the day, what we should rather

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Speaker 1: than just like seeking new ways to engage with it,

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Speaker 1: because the more you engage with it, and it is

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Speaker 1: sometimes necessary to engage with but the more you engage

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Speaker 1: with it, the stronger you make this whole thing, and

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Speaker 1: the heavier it lies on all of us like a cloud.

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Speaker 1: And in the only real way to actually win in

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Speaker 1: the long run is to find a way to get

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Speaker 1: off of that, to get out of this like this

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Speaker 1: fucking treadmill of bullshit that has become everything all consuming,

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Speaker 1: and it's it's in a lot of people's best interest

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Speaker 1: for it to stay all consuming. Um, and I there's

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Speaker 1: a there's a lot that's going on here because it's

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Speaker 1: not I think sometimes when you criticize people for the

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Speaker 1: actions they take in situations like this, they kind of

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Speaker 1: interpreted as you saying, well, like you're stupid and you

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Speaker 1: fucked up and never should have like done this, and

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Speaker 1: and the way I think of it is more like

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Speaker 1: really messy situation and no one has figured out how

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Speaker 1: to get out. So it's not a situation of like

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Speaker 1: people are are dumb for having done something that's not effective.

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Speaker 1: It's a situation of we are all trying to figure

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Speaker 1: is important to have humility and be willing to accept it, like,

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Speaker 1: you know what, that's not working, and we have to

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Speaker 1: stop doing the thing that's not working. Rather than you know,

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Speaker 1: treat it as if it's sort of a moral failing

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Speaker 1: that something we we we tried was not effective. The

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Speaker 1: last thing is it's like, really it's it's not just

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Speaker 1: the non effectiveness, but also the the idea that the

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Speaker 1: fact that this outrage is that just a constant is

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Speaker 1: just a constant free bannerad for Spotify every everywhere online

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Speaker 1: is like also not great. So it's not it's not

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Speaker 1: even not not even just not effective, but you're just

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Speaker 1: giving a corporation tons of free press. And maybe we

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Speaker 1: can reframe the way we approach these things so that

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Speaker 1: we don't do that, because in the end, that's just

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Speaker 1: kind of adding to promoting the misinformation that's kind of

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Speaker 1: that's all that's kind of really doing. And it's not

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Speaker 1: that's not nearly as you know, impactful as you know,

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Speaker 1: just Rogan doing it himself, but it still is, it

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Speaker 1: still is a contributing factor and and and it does

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Speaker 1: contribute to the backfire effect of people who listen to

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Speaker 1: his podcast. Maybe people who like don't even but they're

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Speaker 1: still gonna get defensive over him because they're seeing this

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Speaker 1: attack on him. And even though he's even though he

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Speaker 1: is a huge figure he's seen as an outsider, so

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Speaker 1: that that really does contribute to that back backfire effect

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Speaker 1: thing of getting people more and more vested in him

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Speaker 1: as a content creator. But yeah, it's really dumb. But

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Speaker 1: the thing we need to deal with it, it's it's

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Speaker 1: a version of the lesson people still didn't learn with Trump,

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Speaker 1: which is that like, you can't you can't beat these

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Speaker 1: people by dunking on them. It doesn't matter that Joe

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Speaker 1: Rogan said something dumb. It doesn't matter that Joe Rogan

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Speaker 1: is inconsistent, It doesn't matter that like Joe Rogan has

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Speaker 1: tells lies or whatever. That's not going to change anybody's

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00:28:59,840 --> 00:29:02,800
Speaker 1: mind find about the dude, because it's not about Joe Rogan.

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Speaker 1: They don't support him because they love They support him

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Speaker 1: as much as anything. The people who are at least engaging,

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Speaker 1: primarily online about it, most of his fans are just

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Speaker 1: don't think about any of this because they're not as

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Speaker 1: online as the rest of us. But the people who

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Speaker 1: are kind of engaging with this and helping to fuel

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Speaker 1: the culture war side of this thing, they don't care.

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Speaker 1: There this This isn't about his inherent characteristics. This is

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Speaker 1: about it's a chance to dunk on the enemy. Um so,

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00:29:30,040 --> 00:29:32,200
Speaker 1: like you, you're not going to convince them of anything. Ever,

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Speaker 1: That's all I had to say on this. Yeah, I

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Speaker 1: don't know. Yeah, because again, I really I really resisted

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Speaker 1: writing this episode for a long time because I didn't

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Speaker 1: want to add to the Rogan discourse. But after a while,

579
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Speaker 1: the Rogan discourse itself became worth talking about. How we

580
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Speaker 1: talk so because it is more of a meta angle, like, okay,

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Speaker 1: that is actually worth talking about. But yeah, I am

582
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Speaker 1: so tired of hearing, watching, and seeing the words too Rogan. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I'm exhausted by it. I hate that. Like it's a

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Speaker 1: bigger story in the United States than the gigantic war

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Speaker 1: that might break out in Eastern Europe. Um, it's it's

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Speaker 1: just just a very frustrating time and the only way

587
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Speaker 1: to win this particular game is not to play. Um.

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Speaker 1: So that's that's why we're doing this. We're not going

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Speaker 1: to stick his name in the description or the episode title.

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Speaker 1: Um yeah it is. You know, the title we were

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Speaker 1: working with this under that we're not going to use

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Speaker 1: so as to not feed the algorithm was Joe Rogan

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Speaker 1: the Egregor And that is really how I think about it.

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Speaker 1: If you if you haven't listened to our episode on

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Speaker 1: the book about the Flat Earth, book on Behind the

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Speaker 1: Bastards that talks about as um and eggs. It's basically

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Speaker 1: a god that is made up by the kind of

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Speaker 1: directed thoughts of a population of people. It's like a

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Speaker 1: costalt deity that exists like this thought form that if

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Speaker 1: people put energy into it, it almost gains its own

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Speaker 1: it's it's own like um um independence from the people

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Speaker 1: that that like burst it, even though it is just

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Speaker 1: like a thought form and it because it was just

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Speaker 1: an idea or presence and now it basically is its

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Speaker 1: own god that's self sustaining and it can impact the world. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: global capital is an egregor And and the more that

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Speaker 1: people kind of feed into the discourse around Joe Rogan,

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Speaker 1: the more he turns into one kind of outside of

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Speaker 1: his own actions, he this idea of him has an

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Speaker 1: influence on everything around us. And boy, we don't need that,

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Speaker 1: do we certainly did not just said we just put

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Speaker 1: that one down, right, Try something else. Yeah, let's throw

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Speaker 1: a brick at your sheriff instead. This will go better

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Speaker 1: for you, I mean sure, sure, Chris, Yeah, Chris, Chris

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Speaker 1: He said, It's fine, Robert, Robert, Robert Robert, it's not

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Speaker 1: Minecraft anymore. It's the roadblocks the feds cracked and Minecraft. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: you're right. It's going to take weeks for them for

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Speaker 1: Look was a story I think I saw on Twitter

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Speaker 1: actually legitimately got arrested in Brushford, like blowing up a

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Speaker 1: uh yeah, and instead again again, it's roadblocks where nothing

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Speaker 1: bad happens, nothing bad happens, all right, everybody get on roadblocks, um,

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Speaker 1: and don't talk about Joe, and don't talk about Joe Rogan.

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Speaker 1: each passing city, links towards vaccine mandates have heightened. I

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Speaker 1: Sucking a guys, let's get pumped for this. Let's go

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Speaker 1: to fucking Ottawa. Let's I want to see one of

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Speaker 1: those truckers. I wouldn't prize, not not, not our guys obviously,

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Speaker 1: but I would like to see our own January six event.

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Speaker 1: See some of those truckers plow right through that sixteen

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Speaker 1: football Welcome to It could happen here, or in this case,

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Speaker 1: it did happen here, slashes still happening here, and uh

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Speaker 1: the here in this case being Canada. In recent weeks,

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Speaker 1: the idea of only a few thousand people totally choking

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Speaker 1: a major city, holding it hostage to bargain for political demands,

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Speaker 1: taking over and shutting down a sizeable portion of a

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Speaker 1: popular metropolitan area and simultaneously blocking off supply lines, trade routes,

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Speaker 1: and multiple international border crossings is exactly the kind of

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Speaker 1: thing this podcast has been talking about for years as

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Speaker 1: a potential anti government resistance tactic that could become more

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Speaker 1: common as political tensions rise in North America. Specifically, a

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Speaker 1: few weeks ago, when the so called Trucker Convoy was

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Speaker 1: still in its planning stages, I wasn't super eager to

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Speaker 1: cover it on the pod. Actually, I assumed it would

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Speaker 1: be a flop and just another dumb anti COVID protest

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Speaker 1: in a long line of anti COVID protests happening in Canada.

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Speaker 1: Flash forward to me at the end of January, and

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Speaker 1: it became apparent that I was sorely mistaken and this

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Speaker 1: thing was shaping up to be a significant factor in

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Speaker 1: Canada's political ecosystem going forward. In my haste to catch

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Speaker 1: up to the moment, I recorded two episodes with the

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Speaker 1: wonderful journalist Dan Cullen, explaining the situation as it was

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Speaker 1: at the prospective times of recording. But as the tensions

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Speaker 1: and Ottawa and all across Canada arose and the situation

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Speaker 1: gained more and more complexity, I decided that the convoy

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Speaker 1: and subsequent blockades required a more researched and scripted deep dive.

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Speaker 1: The more I dug into the situation, the more it

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Speaker 1: seems to embody the exact thing I was warning about

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Speaker 1: in my two previous scripted episodes about Canada and the

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Speaker 1: far right, titled Canadian Fascism A. The apologies for the title,

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Speaker 1: but you can find those of you scroll through. It

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Speaker 1: could happen here. Feed don't think they came out around

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Speaker 1: like November ish. What I wanted to get across in

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Speaker 1: those episodes is that Canada is often seen as an

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Speaker 1: escape from the more divisive, violent, and fascist elements of

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Speaker 1: US politics and culture. But just like climate change, capitalism,

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Speaker 1: or any other enveloping force cough cough, hyper objects cough cough,

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Speaker 1: fascism and the slide towards it can never be truly escaped. Right.

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Speaker 1: There is no other, there is no away, and it's

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Speaker 1: especially hard to see it when it's growing on the

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Speaker 1: back of your own head, primarily through Islamophobia. Far right

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Speaker 1: ethno nationalist tendencies have been bubbling under the surface of

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Speaker 1: Canada for a long while, and since Trudeau has taken

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Speaker 1: office in twenty fifteen, there has been a perfect politically

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Speaker 1: allowed boogeyman to blame every problem onto That can include

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Speaker 1: everything from Trudeau is taking away our oil and gas jobs,

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Speaker 1: or Trudeau is bringing in Muslim terrorists to Canada, or

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Speaker 1: Trudeau is starving your children through health man dates. Canadian

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Speaker 1: right wing protests has been steadily growing the past five years.

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Speaker 1: There's been multiple flare ups of far right rhetoric with

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Speaker 1: the Canadian Yellow Vests, the Westerns that produced we Exit

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Speaker 1: or Western Exit movement, and the pseudo fascist People's Party

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Speaker 1: of Canada. The incorporation of pandemic conspiracies and anti vaccine

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Speaker 1: sentiments into the already disaffected rural Canadian right wingers. Starting

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Speaker 1: in twenty twenty and continuing to the present, has accelerated

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Speaker 1: not only the conspiratorial fall right rhetoric among conservative voters,

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Speaker 1: but also what is seen as a valid political action

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Speaker 1: in those people's eyes. But before we get into how

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Speaker 1: dates and misinformation concerning empty store shelves, we have to

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Speaker 1: first go back in time to even before the COVID

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Speaker 1: nineteen virus was a blip on anyone's radar. In February

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Speaker 1: twenty nineteen, the Canadian Yellowsts organized something called the United

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Speaker 1: We Roll Convoy. The result was around a hundred and

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Speaker 1: seventy trucks driving cross country through the more liberal East

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Speaker 1: to Ottawa. The result was around a hundred seventy trucks

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Speaker 1: driving from the West cross country to the more liberal

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Speaker 1: East and eventually to Ottawa. The goal was to represent

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Speaker 1: the concerns of disenfranchised oil and gas workers in the

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Speaker 1: Western provinces and their opposition to propose environmental and new

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Speaker 1: energy policies. Yellow Vests Canada was largely founded by individuals

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Speaker 1: already associated with Canada's far right, which at the time

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Speaker 1: was primarily united through anti Muslim racism and Islamophobia. Inspired

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Speaker 1: by the French Heelovest movement, they copied their aesthetics and

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Speaker 1: adopted new grievances and reactionary matoric and we get them

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Speaker 1: a much larger audience. By the time United We Roll

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Speaker 1: arrived in Ottawa, the media started to catch on to

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Speaker 1: the more problematic elements about their organization. Neo Nazi faith

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Speaker 1: goal Eat spoke on a stage. Many members of hate

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Speaker 1: groups responded in attendance, and with the numbers so low,

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Speaker 1: it made their more extreme participants stick out. Instead of

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Speaker 1: focusing the message on oil and gas, as they claimed

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Speaker 1: to represent Western alienation from a distant liberal Ottawa, some

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Speaker 1: of its participants seemed more interested in protesting Ottawa's immigration

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Speaker 1: policies than arguing for specific fixes for Alberta's oil patch. Plus,

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Speaker 1: if you peeked inside any Canadian yellow vest Facebook group,

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Speaker 1: you would be letted with hundreds of examples of explicit

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Speaker 1: anti Muslim racism and calls for a Prime Minister Justin

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Speaker 1: Trudeau's arrest and execution, a theme that remains common among

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Speaker 1: COVID conspiracy demonstrations today, but at the end of it,

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Speaker 1: United We Rule was widely considered a bust, with only

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Speaker 1: a few hundred participants in Ottawa, and despite raising almost

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Speaker 1: a hundred and fifty thousand dollars, the organizers failed to

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Speaker 1: exclose how much of that money was actually spent on

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Speaker 1: convoy expenses like gas and food. Afterwards, the Yellows Canada

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Speaker 1: movement started to kind of die out, though some holdouts

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Speaker 1: kept smaller demonstrations going for months, particularly in the conservative

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Speaker 1: oil province of Alberta. But to us now, United We

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Speaker 1: Rule can be seen as a small test run for

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Speaker 1: the current situation in in fact, it shares many of

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Speaker 1: the same organizers and even the same promotional materials, except

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Speaker 1: this time they have the added weight of many more

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Speaker 1: people radicalized into conspiracism throughout the pandemic and much more funding.

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Speaker 1: So with that in mind, let's dive into the components

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Speaker 1: of the initial organizing effort. On January four, two go

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Speaker 1: fund me account was set up for a so called

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Speaker 1: trucker convoy ahead of the January fifteenth adoption of the

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Speaker 1: mandate requiring all cross border transportation drivers to be fully

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Speaker 1: vaccinated against COVID nineteen. Vaccine mandates in Canada have been

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Speaker 1: in effect since October for ship crews, railways and airline workers,

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Speaker 1: but effective January fifteenth, the federal government expanded the requirement

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Speaker 1: to truck drivers returning from the States, and those who

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Speaker 1: will remain unvaccinated will not be able to enter Canada

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Speaker 1: without quarantine. One week later, a reciprocal policy went into

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Speaker 1: effect in the United States for Canadian truckers crossing into

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Speaker 1: their border, which means going forward, you cannot really cross

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Speaker 1: the border at all, well remaining unvaccinated. At this point

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Speaker 1: in mid January, a majority of Canadians still broadly supported

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Speaker 1: health mandates aimed at limiting the spread of COVID, but

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Speaker 1: a big part of the early propaganda push for the

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Speaker 1: convoy was photos alleged to have been from current Canadian

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Speaker 1: grocery stores which they were not, with barren empty shelves.

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Speaker 1: The idea was that COVID restrictions were already severely impacting

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Speaker 1: the supply line, and any additional mandates would begin to

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Speaker 1: start with the population and effectively shut down international trade.

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Speaker 1: Put a note in this idea, by the way, it

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Speaker 1: will come up later. Ideas for another truck Convoy like

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Speaker 1: United we Roll, have been tossed around for a while online,

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Speaker 1: and with this new mandate on truckers and vaccines, a

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Speaker 1: time presented itself to give the convoy idea another go.

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Speaker 1: In the early Truck Convoy organizing, they were primarily four

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Speaker 1: familiar far right faces who working together to set things up,

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Speaker 1: none of whom are truck drivers. By the way, the

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Speaker 1: originally listed organizers on the go fund me page were

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Speaker 1: Tomorrow Litch and b J. Ditcher, Both have notable experience

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Speaker 1: with far right organizing. Tomorrow Litch was born in my

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Speaker 1: home province of Saskatchewan, but now Hey alls from the

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Speaker 1: town of Medicine Hat, Alberta, where she served as an

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Speaker 1: organizer for Yellow Vests Canada, a regional coordinator for the

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Speaker 1: separatist Western Exit or Wexit movement in Alberta, and now

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Speaker 1: the secretary for the Maverick Party, another far right extreme

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Speaker 1: acceeparatist movement and fringe political party. Let's started attending and

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Speaker 1: boosting Yellow Vest events starting in and her social media

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Speaker 1: posts from around the time show in one moment calling

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Speaker 1: out some hateful rhetoric from within the movement, while also

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Speaker 1: posting islamophobic articles of her own and conspiracies about the

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Speaker 1: Muslim brotherhood operating in Canada. A few days after the

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Speaker 1: go fund me was created, Benjamin B. J. Ditcher, one

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Speaker 1: time Conservative Party of Canada candidate, People's Party of Canada

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Speaker 1: booster and co founder of a Canadian far right podcast network,

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Speaker 1: appeared as a cool organizer on the go fund me page.

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Speaker 1: Twenty nineteen. He claimed that Islamist entryism is rotting away

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Speaker 1: our society like syphilis. Benjamin it Sure was also one

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Speaker 1: of the first people to give a speech at the

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Speaker 1: first proto fascist People's Party of Canada conference in Quebec,

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Speaker 1: saying that the Conservative Party of Canada is suffering from

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Speaker 1: the stench of cultural relativism and political Islam and a

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Speaker 1: whole bunch of stuff you know in that general vein.

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Speaker 1: James Botter was another one of the four key organizers

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Speaker 1: of the Trucker convoy to Ottawa. Botter is an admitted

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Speaker 1: conspiracy theorist who has endorsed Q and on and called

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Speaker 1: COVID the biggest political scam in history. He's also a

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Speaker 1: former activist with the Yellow Vests Canada and United we Role.

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Speaker 1: Barter's main project, however, is running the Canada Unity website,

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Speaker 1: which is one of the original nexus points for organizing

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Speaker 1: and spreading word about this convoy. The group contends that

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Speaker 1: vaccine mandates and passports are illegal under Canada's constitution, the

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Speaker 1: Nuremberg Code, and a host of other international conventions. Boter

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Speaker 1: has long been a fringe figure, but his movements started

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Speaker 1: picking up steam and support as announcements and continuations of

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Speaker 1: restrictions aimed at curbing COVID nineteen spread have continued. The

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Speaker 1: supposed plight of the Trucker's proved to be a stympathetic

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Speaker 1: cause on Facebook and attracted an array of fellow travelers.

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Speaker 1: The last big major player is Patrick King, another former

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Speaker 1: Yellow Vest one time major figure in the Wexit movement

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Speaker 1: as well as United we Roll. On January two, pet

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00:46:25,239 --> 00:46:28,480
Speaker 1: King hosted a live stream for James Potter to promote

852
00:46:28,520 --> 00:46:31,759
Speaker 1: the Canada Unity website and to announce it as the

853
00:46:31,800 --> 00:46:35,600
Speaker 1: official page for the Freedom Trucker Convoy, or as they

854
00:46:35,600 --> 00:46:40,360
Speaker 1: called it, Operation Bear. Hug. King is a conspiracy theorist

855
00:46:40,400 --> 00:46:44,319
Speaker 1: and popular streamer that attracts the audience farther right than

856
00:46:44,400 --> 00:46:48,840
Speaker 1: Canada's usual conservatives. Kings made headlines for drumming up fear

857
00:46:48,880 --> 00:46:52,279
Speaker 1: and then following through with his supporters with violence at

858
00:46:52,360 --> 00:46:56,640
Speaker 1: rally's put on by BLM and Antifa. Kings also known

859
00:46:56,680 --> 00:46:59,520
Speaker 1: for spreading what are basically neo Nazi talking points, and

860
00:46:59,560 --> 00:47:01,880
Speaker 1: I'm just a quote from an article by the Canadian

861
00:47:01,920 --> 00:47:04,279
Speaker 1: Anti Hate Network here because they did a great job

862
00:47:04,480 --> 00:47:08,359
Speaker 1: tracking his past extremism quote. In the past, King has

863
00:47:08,400 --> 00:47:11,759
Speaker 1: gone on record about his feelings on the Anglo Saxon

864
00:47:11,840 --> 00:47:16,480
Speaker 1: replacement that plans to quote flood Canada with refugees and

865
00:47:16,600 --> 00:47:20,040
Speaker 1: subvert the education system, which is a thin rebranding of

866
00:47:20,080 --> 00:47:24,520
Speaker 1: the Great Replacement theory touted by ethno nationalists. At other points,

867
00:47:24,480 --> 00:47:27,719
Speaker 1: the King is expressed overtly racist and anti Semitic statements.

868
00:47:28,040 --> 00:47:31,440
Speaker 1: In the twenty nineteen stream about the then upcoming federal election,

869
00:47:31,800 --> 00:47:33,799
Speaker 1: King complained that he had to leave the movement due

870
00:47:33,800 --> 00:47:36,359
Speaker 1: to their lack of success, saying, quote the election mote

871
00:47:36,400 --> 00:47:38,680
Speaker 1: matter unless you want to change your national language to

872
00:47:38,800 --> 00:47:42,520
Speaker 1: Chinese or Mandarin or Hebrew. He then went on to

873
00:47:42,560 --> 00:47:46,400
Speaker 1: compare Chinese names to the sound of change falling downstairs.

874
00:47:47,120 --> 00:47:49,959
Speaker 1: He is publicly distorted facts, but the Holocaust of form

875
00:47:50,000 --> 00:47:53,239
Speaker 1: of Holocaust denial, saying I do know that the Holocaust

876
00:47:53,320 --> 00:47:55,680
Speaker 1: was reduced to one point five million and not the

877
00:47:55,719 --> 00:47:58,239
Speaker 1: six million that it was said to be. He then

878
00:47:58,280 --> 00:48:01,440
Speaker 1: invoked the anti Semitic conspiracy theory that Jewish people are

879
00:48:01,520 --> 00:48:05,480
Speaker 1: secretly in control of world governance, media, and finances, saying,

880
00:48:05,600 --> 00:48:09,360
Speaker 1: quote the questions that have been asked several times to

881
00:48:09,520 --> 00:48:12,279
Speaker 1: the A d L and to the Jewish government and communities,

882
00:48:12,840 --> 00:48:16,280
Speaker 1: we have Jewish world bankers who are dictating our government

883
00:48:16,280 --> 00:48:22,800
Speaker 1: policies and controlling our politicians unquote. So yeah. Considering King's

884
00:48:22,840 --> 00:48:27,360
Speaker 1: history of saying blatantly fascist things, some organizers and Convoy

885
00:48:27,440 --> 00:48:31,000
Speaker 1: supporters tried to distance King from the Freedom Convoy movement

886
00:48:31,520 --> 00:48:36,280
Speaker 1: to not damage the initial fundraising effort. The controversy around

887
00:48:36,400 --> 00:48:39,360
Speaker 1: King resulted in a statement being released onto the fundraising

888
00:48:39,440 --> 00:48:42,240
Speaker 1: page saying King is not and has never been affiliate

889
00:48:42,320 --> 00:48:44,120
Speaker 1: with our movement, nor has he been a part of

890
00:48:44,160 --> 00:48:48,920
Speaker 1: our great team of volunteers. The update was afterwards deleted,

891
00:48:49,200 --> 00:48:51,760
Speaker 1: and then King claimed in a video that the statement

892
00:48:51,800 --> 00:48:54,680
Speaker 1: was a public relations move because he was being attacked online.

893
00:48:55,400 --> 00:48:58,080
Speaker 1: For a while, King was still listed as the Northern

894
00:48:58,120 --> 00:49:02,920
Speaker 1: Alberta contact for a western portion of the convoy. So

895
00:49:03,080 --> 00:49:05,880
Speaker 1: those are the four people that laid the organizing groundwork

896
00:49:06,000 --> 00:49:09,200
Speaker 1: that spawned this entire thing and put it into motion.

897
00:49:09,719 --> 00:49:12,080
Speaker 1: But what made this convoy different from United We rule

898
00:49:12,200 --> 00:49:15,440
Speaker 1: one point, oh is the almost two years of COVID isolation,

899
00:49:15,600 --> 00:49:17,920
Speaker 1: which has given ample time for groups like the Yellow

900
00:49:17,960 --> 00:49:21,560
Speaker 1: Vests and extreme far right groups to completely fold into

901
00:49:21,600 --> 00:49:25,480
Speaker 1: the rapidly growing anti vax and COVID conspiracy movement in Canada,

902
00:49:25,960 --> 00:49:28,759
Speaker 1: and along with that, using people's seething hatred of Justin

903
00:49:28,800 --> 00:49:32,360
Speaker 1: Trudeau to radicalize thousands of thousands of people online to

904
00:49:32,480 --> 00:49:36,120
Speaker 1: getting them more comfortable with the idea of participating in

905
00:49:36,160 --> 00:49:40,440
Speaker 1: political protest. It's really important to mention that the protests

906
00:49:40,480 --> 00:49:44,400
Speaker 1: are not organized by Canadian trucking unions or really Canadian truckers.

907
00:49:45,000 --> 00:49:47,640
Speaker 1: The largest trucking unions have come out against the protests

908
00:49:47,920 --> 00:49:49,960
Speaker 1: and they do not appear to reflect the values of

909
00:49:50,040 --> 00:49:53,640
Speaker 1: most Canadians or most Canadian truckers. More than of the

910
00:49:53,640 --> 00:49:57,400
Speaker 1: Canadian public is vaccinated, including almost of truckers, according to

911
00:49:57,520 --> 00:50:01,840
Speaker 1: Canada's Minister of Transport. The Canadian Trucking Alliance issued a

912
00:50:01,880 --> 00:50:04,920
Speaker 1: statement saying it does not support and strongly disapproves of

913
00:50:04,960 --> 00:50:09,080
Speaker 1: any protests on public roads, highways or bridges. The Canadian

914
00:50:09,120 --> 00:50:11,440
Speaker 1: Trucking Alliance President set in the joint statement with the

915
00:50:11,440 --> 00:50:14,640
Speaker 1: Ministers of Labor and Transport that the Government of Canada

916
00:50:14,680 --> 00:50:17,879
Speaker 1: and the Canadian Trucking Alliance both agree that vaccination used

917
00:50:17,880 --> 00:50:21,680
Speaker 1: in combination with preventative health measures, is the most effective

918
00:50:21,680 --> 00:50:24,239
Speaker 1: tool to reduce the risk of COVID nineteen for Canadians

919
00:50:24,239 --> 00:50:28,200
Speaker 1: and to protect public health. According to the Canadian Trucking Alliance,

920
00:50:28,280 --> 00:50:32,240
Speaker 1: the mandate could impact around twelve to sixteen thousand Canadian

921
00:50:32,280 --> 00:50:36,440
Speaker 1: commercial drivers, which is just about ten to fifteen percent

922
00:50:36,520 --> 00:50:41,000
Speaker 1: of the industry's cross border drivers during the pandemic. Repeated

923
00:50:41,040 --> 00:50:43,840
Speaker 1: polls have shown that a majority of Canadians support public

924
00:50:43,880 --> 00:50:47,160
Speaker 1: health measures to contain the pandemic, but the number of

925
00:50:47,200 --> 00:50:50,560
Speaker 1: Canadians who would like to see restrictions end has risen

926
00:50:50,600 --> 00:50:53,600
Speaker 1: in recent weeks. With owner crown cases on the decline,

927
00:50:53,840 --> 00:50:57,799
Speaker 1: some provinces are starting to remove restrictions and requirements, the

928
00:50:57,840 --> 00:51:01,320
Speaker 1: public sentiment appears to be moving the direction of opening

929
00:51:01,360 --> 00:51:05,120
Speaker 1: up communities. Throughout the last two weeks of January, the

930
00:51:05,200 --> 00:51:07,200
Speaker 1: number of Canadians saying that they would like to see

931
00:51:07,200 --> 00:51:11,200
Speaker 1: restrictions and has risen by fifteen percentage points to a

932
00:51:11,239 --> 00:51:15,360
Speaker 1: majority of fifty percent, demonstrations have found a way to

933
00:51:15,440 --> 00:51:19,560
Speaker 1: tap into pandemic fatigue among conservatives across the country. After

934
00:51:19,640 --> 00:51:22,480
Speaker 1: months of lockdown, more than two thirds of Canadians have

935
00:51:22,520 --> 00:51:24,560
Speaker 1: said they have very little in common with how the

936
00:51:24,560 --> 00:51:28,239
Speaker 1: Ottawa protesters see things, but say that they have a

937
00:51:28,239 --> 00:51:30,759
Speaker 1: lot in common, according to a recent survey connected by

938
00:51:30,760 --> 00:51:34,760
Speaker 1: a Canadian research firm. Though the idea of vaccine mandates

939
00:51:34,760 --> 00:51:39,000
Speaker 1: for Canadian truckers kind of prompted what turned into this convoy,

940
00:51:39,200 --> 00:51:42,560
Speaker 1: very quickly became a general battle cry against pandemic restrictions

941
00:51:42,600 --> 00:51:46,080
Speaker 1: as a whole, and the leadership of Prime Minister Justin Trudeau.

942
00:51:46,920 --> 00:51:50,800
Speaker 1: Unlike United we Roll, the Freedom Convoy against health mandates

943
00:51:50,880 --> 00:51:54,200
Speaker 1: was able to successfully capitalize on Western feelings of neglect

944
00:51:54,200 --> 00:51:57,200
Speaker 1: and isolation from the ruling liberal elite in the East

945
00:51:57,400 --> 00:52:00,360
Speaker 1: and in the capital of Ottawa. The right in Meadians

946
00:52:00,360 --> 00:52:03,880
Speaker 1: at the right time flung the Trucker Freedom Convoy into

947
00:52:03,960 --> 00:52:06,839
Speaker 1: the conservative zeitgeist. The original and girl fund me page,

948
00:52:06,880 --> 00:52:10,879
Speaker 1: set up on January fourteenth to financially support convoy participants,

949
00:52:11,200 --> 00:52:14,000
Speaker 1: was able to raise ten million dollars in just under

950
00:52:14,080 --> 00:52:18,120
Speaker 1: three weeks. As the truck Convoy idea picked up steam.

951
00:52:18,280 --> 00:52:21,320
Speaker 1: The first expected wave of attendees were planned to arrive

952
00:52:21,400 --> 00:52:26,160
Speaker 1: in Ottawa on Saturday, January twenty ninth. Vehicles started rolling

953
00:52:26,200 --> 00:52:29,040
Speaker 1: in a few days prior, throughout Thursday and the Friday

954
00:52:29,120 --> 00:52:31,759
Speaker 1: night before the big day on the twenty nine, and

955
00:52:31,800 --> 00:52:34,480
Speaker 1: as Saturday the twenty nine came, the numbers of trucks

956
00:52:34,480 --> 00:52:38,200
Speaker 1: and protest participants greatly exceeded the initial expected numbers that

957
00:52:38,280 --> 00:52:41,600
Speaker 1: I and many other people had figured, while obviously falling

958
00:52:41,640 --> 00:52:45,080
Speaker 1: short of the heavily mocked fifty thousand truckers prediction made

959
00:52:45,080 --> 00:52:49,520
Speaker 1: by some convoy supporters. While writing these episodes, I talked

960
00:52:49,560 --> 00:52:52,480
Speaker 1: with Paul, a citizen of Ottawa who's been living inside

961
00:52:52,520 --> 00:52:55,880
Speaker 1: the occupied zone since the twenty ninth of January, and

962
00:52:55,920 --> 00:52:58,400
Speaker 1: this is what he had to say about expectations leading

963
00:52:58,480 --> 00:53:01,440
Speaker 1: up to the convoys arrival. There was at least a

964
00:53:01,480 --> 00:53:04,160
Speaker 1: week of lead up where we it was about all

965
00:53:04,200 --> 00:53:06,920
Speaker 1: we heard about. So from when they sort of declared

966
00:53:06,920 --> 00:53:09,360
Speaker 1: their intention to come down to when they started rallying

967
00:53:09,400 --> 00:53:11,400
Speaker 1: and b C. And you know in the west and

968
00:53:11,480 --> 00:53:16,440
Speaker 1: coming across Um, there was an anticipation that something was

969
00:53:16,440 --> 00:53:20,080
Speaker 1: going to happen. And you know, people around here because

970
00:53:20,200 --> 00:53:23,200
Speaker 1: like where I'm sitting right now is less than a

971
00:53:23,280 --> 00:53:27,120
Speaker 1: kilometer from Parliament Hill and directly in between two of

972
00:53:27,120 --> 00:53:29,000
Speaker 1: the streets that they've blocked off, sort of on the

973
00:53:29,040 --> 00:53:31,520
Speaker 1: way into town. You know, we we were nervous, but

974
00:53:32,640 --> 00:53:34,600
Speaker 1: we kind of were just sort of assuming it was

975
00:53:34,600 --> 00:53:36,279
Speaker 1: going to be a one day affair. It was gonna

976
00:53:36,280 --> 00:53:39,560
Speaker 1: be small at first, but then you heard I mean,

977
00:53:39,760 --> 00:53:45,480
Speaker 1: nobody believed the fifty trucks and that like that was it.

978
00:53:45,640 --> 00:53:47,520
Speaker 1: I mean, to put in perspective, the numbers that they

979
00:53:47,560 --> 00:53:50,880
Speaker 1: were claiming were on their way here, um are larger

980
00:53:50,920 --> 00:53:53,320
Speaker 1: than the entire population of the city by like a

981
00:53:53,360 --> 00:53:57,560
Speaker 1: couple hundred thousand people, so that that didn't seem likely.

982
00:53:57,680 --> 00:54:00,960
Speaker 1: But you know, when we were hearing that already forty thousand,

983
00:54:00,960 --> 00:54:04,000
Speaker 1: when we heard about multiple convoys with you know, a

984
00:54:04,120 --> 00:54:06,279
Speaker 1: hundred to two hundred trucks like that was when it

985
00:54:06,320 --> 00:54:12,240
Speaker 1: was like, Okay, this isn't gonna be great. So people

986
00:54:12,440 --> 00:54:16,839
Speaker 1: started arriving on what Friday, Saturday. The first group started

987
00:54:16,920 --> 00:54:19,960
Speaker 1: rolling to town on Thursday night. Um, they were they

988
00:54:19,960 --> 00:54:21,920
Speaker 1: were small in numbers. They didn't really start blocking anything

989
00:54:21,960 --> 00:54:23,840
Speaker 1: off because they just weren't enough of them. So but

990
00:54:23,880 --> 00:54:27,239
Speaker 1: you could hear the horns starting on Thursday night UM,

991
00:54:27,520 --> 00:54:29,120
Speaker 1: and I think a lot of some of them were

992
00:54:29,200 --> 00:54:33,120
Speaker 1: going into hotels. UM. They were smaller groups too, mostly

993
00:54:33,239 --> 00:54:39,239
Speaker 1: from sort of local groups UM. And then around ten

994
00:54:39,280 --> 00:54:42,240
Speaker 1: or eleven in the morning on Friday, UM, we started

995
00:54:42,280 --> 00:54:45,319
Speaker 1: hearing reports at Kingston, which is about an hour issue away,

996
00:54:45,320 --> 00:54:47,440
Speaker 1: an hour and a half UM that there was a

997
00:54:47,480 --> 00:54:50,080
Speaker 1: group moving out of there. So around one o'clock in

998
00:54:50,080 --> 00:54:52,520
Speaker 1: the afternoon Friday, the first group started to arrive and

999
00:54:52,520 --> 00:54:56,279
Speaker 1: started to congregate downtown. And one of the things about

1000
00:54:56,280 --> 00:54:59,080
Speaker 1: Ottawa is UM it's a lot like a lot of

1001
00:54:59,080 --> 00:55:01,680
Speaker 1: big downtowns, it's out of one way streets. So the

1002
00:55:01,719 --> 00:55:04,480
Speaker 1: moment you get the trucks starting to get into intersections

1003
00:55:04,560 --> 00:55:07,920
Speaker 1: or near intersections, you're blocking off all passage in certain directions.

1004
00:55:08,160 --> 00:55:11,880
Speaker 1: So they started blocking off the northbound really quickly, just

1005
00:55:11,920 --> 00:55:14,600
Speaker 1: because that's where how they were coming in. UM. And

1006
00:55:14,640 --> 00:55:17,359
Speaker 1: there's only like three gas stations downtown as well, which

1007
00:55:17,400 --> 00:55:19,200
Speaker 1: is it kind of plays a big factor in the

1008
00:55:19,280 --> 00:55:22,160
Speaker 1: route that they took. So they all passed by, especially

1009
00:55:22,239 --> 00:55:25,000
Speaker 1: the passenger cars that were running mow UM passed by

1010
00:55:25,040 --> 00:55:27,320
Speaker 1: and through that way, and yeah, by about two or

1011
00:55:27,400 --> 00:55:32,359
Speaker 1: three o'clock in the afternoon. Everything south of Somerset, which

1012
00:55:32,360 --> 00:55:35,560
Speaker 1: is about a kilometer and a half from Parliament, was

1013
00:55:35,600 --> 00:55:39,279
Speaker 1: pretty much jammed at that point. As Saturday nights came,

1014
00:55:39,600 --> 00:55:42,440
Speaker 1: much of the group supporters and truckers alike spent that

1015
00:55:42,600 --> 00:55:45,560
Speaker 1: time partying late into the night as heavily backed up

1016
00:55:45,560 --> 00:55:49,280
Speaker 1: traffic continued to effectively shut down roads and large areas

1017
00:55:49,280 --> 00:55:53,200
Speaker 1: of the city around Parliament Throughout the weekend. Businesses in

1018
00:55:53,239 --> 00:55:55,480
Speaker 1: the surrounding areas that did not close ahead of the

1019
00:55:55,480 --> 00:55:59,480
Speaker 1: protest were swarmed by customers, many refusing to wear masks.

1020
00:56:00,280 --> 00:56:02,759
Speaker 1: A local Homa shelter and soup kitchen was harassed by

1021
00:56:02,760 --> 00:56:06,120
Speaker 1: convoy participants who were turned away from restaurants after refusing

1022
00:56:06,160 --> 00:56:09,000
Speaker 1: to wear a mask. A large number of the convoy

1023
00:56:09,000 --> 00:56:11,680
Speaker 1: attendees surrounded the shelter, demanding to be fed by the

1024
00:56:11,719 --> 00:56:16,200
Speaker 1: facility staff. According to the shelters president, convoy participants assaulted

1025
00:56:16,200 --> 00:56:18,720
Speaker 1: a client of the shelter and her old racial slurs

1026
00:56:18,760 --> 00:56:22,000
Speaker 1: at a security guard who attempted to intervene. Workers and

1027
00:56:22,080 --> 00:56:25,040
Speaker 1: volunteers at the shelter noted that parked vehicles blocked the shelter,

1028
00:56:25,200 --> 00:56:28,400
Speaker 1: making it difficult for ambliances to reach the facility and

1029
00:56:28,520 --> 00:56:32,279
Speaker 1: for staff to assist community members in need. A home

1030
00:56:32,320 --> 00:56:34,560
Speaker 1: in the downtown area was pelted with rocks and snow,

1031
00:56:34,600 --> 00:56:37,680
Speaker 1: as well as vandalized with human feces, all for showing

1032
00:56:37,680 --> 00:56:40,840
Speaker 1: a Pride flag in their window. The operations commander for

1033
00:56:40,880 --> 00:56:44,040
Speaker 1: the Ottawa Paramedic Service said that an ambiliance was pelted

1034
00:56:44,120 --> 00:56:46,880
Speaker 1: with rocks and paramedics checking the damage were called racial

1035
00:56:46,880 --> 00:56:51,560
Speaker 1: slurs by convoy participants. Ottawa Paramedics have since requested police escorts,

1036
00:56:51,560 --> 00:56:55,920
Speaker 1: citing safety concerns. More public backlash was prompted after reports

1037
00:56:55,920 --> 00:56:59,080
Speaker 1: surface of a monument dedicated to commemorating Terry Fox being

1038
00:56:59,080 --> 00:57:01,680
Speaker 1: covered in protests lines and being stage to hold an

1039
00:57:01,760 --> 00:57:05,920
Speaker 1: upside down Canadian flag. No restroom main Saturday night related

1040
00:57:06,040 --> 00:57:09,399
Speaker 1: to the convoy, but as the convoy stuck around even

1041
00:57:09,440 --> 00:57:12,320
Speaker 1: past the weekend, there was this growing feeling of downtown

1042
00:57:12,360 --> 00:57:15,600
Speaker 1: residents that they've been abandoned by the city and law enforcement,

1043
00:57:16,160 --> 00:57:18,919
Speaker 1: but the whole situation in response to the situation making

1044
00:57:18,920 --> 00:57:22,120
Speaker 1: them afraid to leave their homes. I asked Paul what

1045
00:57:22,320 --> 00:57:25,000
Speaker 1: his experience on the first weekend of the occupation was

1046
00:57:25,440 --> 00:57:29,120
Speaker 1: and the general feeling in the area of downtown Ottawa

1047
00:57:29,280 --> 00:57:31,240
Speaker 1: and you're living like right in the middle of this.

1048
00:57:31,320 --> 00:57:33,680
Speaker 1: How much has this affected like your day to day

1049
00:57:33,720 --> 00:57:35,720
Speaker 1: life and all like your neighbors and stuff like what

1050
00:57:35,720 --> 00:57:37,960
Speaker 1: what what are you able to do and not do

1051
00:57:38,080 --> 00:57:42,959
Speaker 1: at this point? Well, it's the weekend was was especially bad,

1052
00:57:43,000 --> 00:57:44,760
Speaker 1: and we're all kind of bracing for what this weekend

1053
00:57:44,800 --> 00:57:46,560
Speaker 1: is going to be because that's when you had just

1054
00:57:46,920 --> 00:57:50,840
Speaker 1: you know, there were between somewhere between ten and fifteen

1055
00:57:51,080 --> 00:57:53,840
Speaker 1: eighteen thousand people as the estimates have heard, um, all

1056
00:57:53,840 --> 00:57:57,520
Speaker 1: crowding downtown in the streets. So at that point, I

1057
00:57:57,560 --> 00:57:59,280
Speaker 1: mean that was when the police we're telling people not

1058
00:57:59,360 --> 00:58:02,760
Speaker 1: to wear a mask out um because you know, you're

1059
00:58:02,840 --> 00:58:06,160
Speaker 1: kind of putting yourself at risk, uh, because it'll be

1060
00:58:06,200 --> 00:58:10,040
Speaker 1: targeted for violence. Yeah. So I mean I was like

1061
00:58:10,120 --> 00:58:12,520
Speaker 1: basically anytime I've left the house. So we have a

1062
00:58:12,560 --> 00:58:15,080
Speaker 1: mask mandate still in effect in Ottawa, so you have

1063
00:58:15,120 --> 00:58:17,760
Speaker 1: to wear them indoors pretty much everywhere. Um, So I

1064
00:58:17,800 --> 00:58:19,240
Speaker 1: have to wear my building, I have to wear at

1065
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Speaker 1: the convenience store. If I'm gonna go go buy, say,

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00:58:21,480 --> 00:58:23,120
Speaker 1: you know, a pack of cigarettes, I'm not going to

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00:58:23,200 --> 00:58:25,880
Speaker 1: take it off. It's a thirty second walk and so

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00:58:25,920 --> 00:58:29,360
Speaker 1: that with that, the harassment around that started on Friday. UM,

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00:58:29,440 --> 00:58:32,680
Speaker 1: and then it just became anyone who was out and

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00:58:32,720 --> 00:58:34,480
Speaker 1: about that didn't look like they were part of it,

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00:58:35,400 --> 00:58:39,480
Speaker 1: UM started getting hassled. UM. Other people I know who

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00:58:39,560 --> 00:58:42,240
Speaker 1: live in the area, especially women, UM, have been targeted

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00:58:42,360 --> 00:58:45,920
Speaker 1: a great deal. UM. Anyone who's part of you know,

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00:58:46,160 --> 00:58:51,840
Speaker 1: the LGBTQ community has been It's it's not really just

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00:58:51,960 --> 00:58:53,360
Speaker 1: it's just not safe to be out on the streets

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00:58:53,360 --> 00:58:54,959
Speaker 1: and it's not really safe to show that you don't

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Speaker 1: support what they're doing. At points since the convoy started

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00:58:58,240 --> 00:59:01,200
Speaker 1: arriving in Ottawa, the extreme elements of the protest have

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00:59:01,360 --> 00:59:04,880
Speaker 1: been pretty visible. Among the thousands of attendees were recognizable

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00:59:04,880 --> 00:59:08,120
Speaker 1: members of white nationalists, hate groups Neo not seeing Confederate

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Speaker 1: flags were seen flying too and on. Logos were emblazoned

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Speaker 1: on trucks and sides, and stickers were pasted on telephone

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00:59:14,360 --> 00:59:17,960
Speaker 1: polls around the occupied area baring Trudeau's face reading wanted

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00:59:18,000 --> 00:59:22,640
Speaker 1: for crimes against humanity, the official line from original convoy

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00:59:22,800 --> 00:59:26,440
Speaker 1: organizers minus Pat King, of course, however, has tried to

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Speaker 1: remain focused. In a Facebook live broadcast, James Boder of

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00:59:30,120 --> 00:59:33,360
Speaker 1: Canada Unity instructed his supporters to stop talking about the

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00:59:33,400 --> 00:59:36,840
Speaker 1: vaccine and instead stick the messages of freedom. The goal

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00:59:36,840 --> 00:59:39,960
Speaker 1: of adopting a more restricted and relatable protest cause is

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00:59:39,960 --> 00:59:43,880
Speaker 1: to hopefully jump up more widespread support and validity, and

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00:59:43,920 --> 00:59:46,600
Speaker 1: it initially worked in some ways and not in others.

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Speaker 1: Numerous members of the Conservative Party have come out to

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Speaker 1: meet protesters, especially throughout the first few days now. Former

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00:59:53,680 --> 00:59:57,480
Speaker 1: Conservative Party leader Erin O'Toole met with convoy participants, albeit

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Speaker 1: away from the main protest site. Both People's Party of

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Speaker 1: Canada leader Maxie and Bernair and Ontario Member of Provincial

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01:00:04,920 --> 01:00:08,280
Speaker 1: Parliament and leader of the de facto Ontario arm of

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01:00:08,320 --> 01:00:11,440
Speaker 1: the PPC, Randy Healer, who has made many recent and

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01:00:11,600 --> 01:00:15,080
Speaker 1: semitic comments, both gave speeches on Saturday the twenty nine

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01:00:15,160 --> 01:00:17,959
Speaker 1: in front of the Parliament building. People like Elon Musk

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01:00:18,000 --> 01:00:21,040
Speaker 1: and Donald Trump have both endorsed the convoy, and Fox

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01:00:21,120 --> 01:00:24,600
Speaker 1: News has been endlessly broadcasting glowing updates of the convoy

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01:00:24,720 --> 01:00:29,040
Speaker 1: since its arrival in Ottawa. According to the convoy participants

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01:00:29,040 --> 01:00:32,080
Speaker 1: and organizers, they are vowing to camp out in front

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01:00:32,160 --> 01:00:34,920
Speaker 1: of the Parliament until their demands of dropping all COVID

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01:00:35,000 --> 01:00:38,920
Speaker 1: nineteen health measures are met wild stated grievances can be

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01:00:39,040 --> 01:00:42,160
Speaker 1: broader and more vast on the ground. The current Memorandum

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01:00:42,200 --> 01:00:45,640
Speaker 1: of Understanding, posted on the Canada Unity website, which collected

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01:00:45,640 --> 01:00:49,200
Speaker 1: over thirty thousand signatures, served as a sort of bargaining

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Speaker 1: pitch between the convoy and the Canadian government. The Memorandum

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01:00:54,120 --> 01:00:57,640
Speaker 1: of Understanding, or the m o U, calls on Canada's

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01:00:57,640 --> 01:01:01,840
Speaker 1: appointed senators and Canada's governor role the representative of Queen

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01:01:01,840 --> 01:01:05,960
Speaker 1: Elizabeth the second in Canada's constitutional monarchy, to abolish all

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Speaker 1: COVID nineteen related restrictions and to allow all unvaccinated workers

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01:01:10,000 --> 01:01:13,320
Speaker 1: whose employment was terminated because of vaccine mandates to get

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Speaker 1: their jobs back. James Potter, the guy who runs Canada Unity,

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01:01:16,920 --> 01:01:19,200
Speaker 1: insisted to his followers that the m o U would

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01:01:19,280 --> 01:01:23,000
Speaker 1: force the government's hand and possibly even trigger fresh elections

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Speaker 1: if enough people signed. Another Canada Unity organizer went further,

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Speaker 1: saying it would require the Senate to go after the

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Speaker 1: Prime Minister for corruption and fascism, which, of course, there's

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01:01:34,160 --> 01:01:36,280
Speaker 1: no legal basis for any of these claims around the

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Speaker 1: m o you, but you know that doesn't really matter

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01:01:38,720 --> 01:01:41,440
Speaker 1: in the end, because people still believe it. So it's

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Speaker 1: going to have an impact on what they do. The

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01:01:43,800 --> 01:01:47,360
Speaker 1: more controversial Pat King laid out an alternative, however, a

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01:01:47,440 --> 01:01:50,880
Speaker 1: more direct plan of action to the occupiers. In a

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Speaker 1: January Facebook livestream, King said that what we want to

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Speaker 1: focus on is our politicians, their houses, their locations. If

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01:01:58,760 --> 01:02:02,520
Speaker 1: political pressure doesn't blocking major supply chains will be later on,

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01:02:03,120 --> 01:02:07,120
Speaker 1: so more more on that idea later. After the first

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01:02:07,120 --> 01:02:10,520
Speaker 1: weekend of protests kind of turned occupations, go fund me

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01:02:10,600 --> 01:02:13,560
Speaker 1: released a reported one million dollars of the total ten

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01:02:13,600 --> 01:02:16,640
Speaker 1: million raised for the convoy. As the end of the

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01:02:16,640 --> 01:02:20,320
Speaker 1: weekend approached, many convoy participants who rolled into the nation's

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01:02:20,360 --> 01:02:23,280
Speaker 1: capital began heading home, and the highways on Sunday night

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01:02:23,360 --> 01:02:26,520
Speaker 1: saw no shortage of vehicles heading away from Ottawa with

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01:02:26,560 --> 01:02:31,080
Speaker 1: their approtest signs and flags still in tow, but plenty

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01:02:31,120 --> 01:02:34,400
Speaker 1: of people stuck around to continue the fight. Thousands and

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01:02:34,520 --> 01:02:37,360
Speaker 1: thousands of people and hundreds of vehicles, including a fleet

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01:02:37,400 --> 01:02:40,920
Speaker 1: of semitrucks, commercial vehicles, r V campers, and regular cars

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01:02:41,440 --> 01:02:43,520
Speaker 1: were more than enough to keep the roads in a

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01:02:43,600 --> 01:02:47,640
Speaker 1: large portion of Ottawa around Parliament effectively shut down. I

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01:02:47,680 --> 01:02:50,720
Speaker 1: can't help but draw comparisons to the fear mongering narrative

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01:02:50,800 --> 01:02:54,760
Speaker 1: of bust fuls of Antifa, you know, protesters coming from

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01:02:54,800 --> 01:02:58,200
Speaker 1: out of town into places they don't live, terrorizing locals,

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01:02:58,240 --> 01:03:01,240
Speaker 1: shutting down cities. You know. The other comparison is to

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01:03:01,280 --> 01:03:03,640
Speaker 1: like the chop where the chas in Seattle was taking

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01:03:03,640 --> 01:03:05,640
Speaker 1: over a large portion of the city and how that

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01:03:05,760 --> 01:03:09,920
Speaker 1: was so vilified. Except, you know, this is so much

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01:03:09,960 --> 01:03:13,760
Speaker 1: bigger and impactful than anything so called Antifa or the

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01:03:13,760 --> 01:03:17,520
Speaker 1: Black Lives Matter protests have ever done, especially in Canada,

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01:03:17,840 --> 01:03:21,000
Speaker 1: in terms of actually impacting the functionality of a city

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01:03:21,280 --> 01:03:25,920
Speaker 1: and restricting the local, national, and international capitalist trade. The

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01:03:25,960 --> 01:03:30,040
Speaker 1: Freedom Convoy has done everything and more its proponents warned

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01:03:30,080 --> 01:03:33,360
Speaker 1: that Antifa was going to do to Canada. Obviously, part

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01:03:33,440 --> 01:03:36,040
Speaker 1: of the reason the Convoy protest was able to get

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01:03:36,120 --> 01:03:39,360
Speaker 1: to this point is not just because of its large size,

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01:03:39,560 --> 01:03:43,000
Speaker 1: but also the initial hands off approach by police that

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01:03:43,080 --> 01:03:46,360
Speaker 1: allowed the Convoy participants the opportunity to get a strong

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01:03:46,440 --> 01:03:50,600
Speaker 1: foothold within the city. The difference in initial law enforcement

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Speaker 1: reaction to the protest Convoy made up of largely you know, conservative,

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01:03:54,680 --> 01:03:57,960
Speaker 1: middle class white Canadians, compared to other protests, like you know,

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01:03:58,040 --> 01:04:01,440
Speaker 1: the Black Lives Matter protests, or say the rcmps typical

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01:04:01,520 --> 01:04:05,240
Speaker 1: response to First Nations protests and blockings defending their land.

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01:04:05,760 --> 01:04:10,040
Speaker 1: The comparisons cannot be over analyzed. You know. The latter

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01:04:10,080 --> 01:04:13,680
Speaker 1: two forms of protest I mentioned actually do challenge societal

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Speaker 1: power structures that prop up White Canada, while as this

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01:04:17,080 --> 01:04:20,200
Speaker 1: convoy protest does not and instead plays into those very

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Speaker 1: power structures. That dynamic played a major role into how

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Speaker 1: the police handled or didn't handle the first few days

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Speaker 1: of the protest, in which during those early days the

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01:04:30,320 --> 01:04:33,880
Speaker 1: convoy attendees were free to build infrastructure that resulted in

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Speaker 1: the protest escalating into a full scale occupation. The Monday

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Speaker 1: after the first initial weekend, the city's mayor, Jim Watson,

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01:04:41,400 --> 01:04:44,200
Speaker 1: declared a state of emergency, but at that point Autawa

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Speaker 1: Police thought it was already too late for the protest

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Speaker 1: to be ended by sheer force without vastly increasing the

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01:04:50,960 --> 01:04:54,200
Speaker 1: likelihood of severe damage and life threatening outcomes to the

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Speaker 1: convoy participants, police officers, and regular citizens of Ottawa. On

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01:04:58,600 --> 01:05:02,720
Speaker 1: February twod Ottawa Police East Chief Peter Slowly explicitly said

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01:05:02,840 --> 01:05:05,520
Speaker 1: that there may not be a police solution to ending

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01:05:05,520 --> 01:05:10,000
Speaker 1: the convoy and occupation. There are similar demonstrations taking place

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01:05:10,160 --> 01:05:13,120
Speaker 1: in many other parts of this country, indeed many other

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01:05:13,160 --> 01:05:17,000
Speaker 1: parts around this continent in the world. What happens here

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01:05:17,040 --> 01:05:22,400
Speaker 1: affects there. What happens there affects here. We have seen

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01:05:22,440 --> 01:05:25,880
Speaker 1: in the last twenty four hours attempts by other police

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01:05:25,920 --> 01:05:28,840
Speaker 1: and other jurisdictions to do just what you have suggested.

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Speaker 1: They were not effective, and they created additional safety issues,

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Speaker 1: potential life threatening safety issues. I have great compassion for

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01:05:38,960 --> 01:05:42,480
Speaker 1: those that have been significantly affected, if not traumatized, and

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01:05:42,560 --> 01:05:47,120
Speaker 1: we know criminally victimized. We will do everything we can

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01:05:47,160 --> 01:05:49,480
Speaker 1: to hold those who have done that to account. Will

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01:05:49,480 --> 01:05:53,800
Speaker 1: continue arresting and charging people as we have been. But

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01:05:54,040 --> 01:05:59,280
Speaker 1: any action taken without understanding the totality of the context

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01:05:59,600 --> 01:06:04,160
Speaker 1: that took, value the risk, it would be irresponsible. You're

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01:06:04,160 --> 01:06:10,880
Speaker 1: trying to be responsible, lawful, ethical, and measured. My last

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01:06:10,920 --> 01:06:14,200
Speaker 1: comment when I wrapped up, I'll share again now. The

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Speaker 1: longer this goes on, the more I'm convinced there may

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01:06:17,920 --> 01:06:23,520
Speaker 1: not be a police solution to this demonstration. There are

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01:06:23,560 --> 01:06:27,720
Speaker 1: police chiefs commissioners across this country that are dealing with

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01:06:27,760 --> 01:06:33,560
Speaker 1: demonstrations that are starting underway and significantly advanced. This is

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01:06:33,600 --> 01:06:37,720
Speaker 1: a national issue not an Attawa issue. From the start.

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01:06:37,760 --> 01:06:40,560
Speaker 1: Prime Minister Justin Trudeau has been playing down the notion

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01:06:40,600 --> 01:06:44,080
Speaker 1: of a military response to the ongoing Ottawa protest. During

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01:06:44,120 --> 01:06:46,720
Speaker 1: the first week, he said that sending in troops is

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01:06:46,760 --> 01:06:49,600
Speaker 1: not in the cards right now. On the February second,

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01:06:49,720 --> 01:06:51,720
Speaker 1: the Automa police chiefs said that all options are on

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01:06:51,760 --> 01:06:55,240
Speaker 1: the table, including eventually calling in the military, but one

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01:06:55,320 --> 01:06:57,960
Speaker 1: must be very very cautious about deploying troops in Canadian

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01:06:58,000 --> 01:07:01,400
Speaker 1: soil in such cases. Trudeau said that a news conference

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01:07:01,440 --> 01:07:03,840
Speaker 1: in the February that it's not something that anyone should

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01:07:03,960 --> 01:07:08,640
Speaker 1: enter into lightly, with police basically leaving the Ottawa residents

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01:07:08,640 --> 01:07:11,760
Speaker 1: who live near and within the Convoy occupation to fend

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01:07:11,760 --> 01:07:14,560
Speaker 1: for themselves. I was curious what sorts of things the

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01:07:14,560 --> 01:07:17,880
Speaker 1: local community might be doing to live around this massive,

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01:07:17,920 --> 01:07:22,160
Speaker 1: conspiracy filled group of reactionary out of town campers. What

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01:07:22,280 --> 01:07:24,480
Speaker 1: sort of things have the has the community been doing

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01:07:24,520 --> 01:07:29,280
Speaker 1: to kind of help survive this this Like has there

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01:07:29,280 --> 01:07:31,400
Speaker 1: been like mutual aid projects in the neighborhood to help

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01:07:31,400 --> 01:07:33,840
Speaker 1: support other neighbors, you know that that sort of thing

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01:07:34,320 --> 01:07:36,560
Speaker 1: there have Um, it's actually been kind of wonderful the

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Speaker 1: way the community has been coming together, especially after two

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Speaker 1: years of pandemic where we've all been kind of like

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Speaker 1: Ottawa and Ontario have been one of the more restricted

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Speaker 1: jurisdictions in North America. UM. I mean, and I say

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Speaker 1: this as a restaurant manager, like in my opinion rightly so,

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Speaker 1: like it's about keeping people safe, and we've done a

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Speaker 1: fairly good job of that by and large. But the

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01:07:55,680 --> 01:07:58,560
Speaker 1: thing is that, you know, our community hasn't felt a

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01:07:58,600 --> 01:08:01,240
Speaker 1: lot like a community in a while. And this week,

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Speaker 1: I mean, one of the few positives has been UM

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01:08:04,960 --> 01:08:08,080
Speaker 1: both individuals and organizations, so I mean, ROWS and some

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01:08:08,120 --> 01:08:09,920
Speaker 1: of the other organizations that we mentioned on Friday have

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Speaker 1: done a great job. There's also been some really really

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01:08:12,520 --> 01:08:15,760
Speaker 1: great organic organizing coming out of UM, some activists as

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01:08:15,800 --> 01:08:18,840
Speaker 1: well as just people in the community. So there's a

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01:08:18,840 --> 01:08:21,479
Speaker 1: a few discord servers set up right now. So there's

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01:08:21,479 --> 01:08:23,880
Speaker 1: been a huge issue with people, people with disabilities and

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01:08:23,880 --> 01:08:27,679
Speaker 1: the elderly getting groceries because deliveries aren't possible downtown UM.

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Speaker 1: So it started on Twitter, UM, but there's been an

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01:08:31,000 --> 01:08:33,960
Speaker 1: organization set up to help people get those groceries, whether

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01:08:34,000 --> 01:08:36,880
Speaker 1: it's a cost issue or just a physical delivery issue.

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Speaker 1: We're ensured. People are ensuring that that's happening. Um as

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01:08:40,200 --> 01:08:44,000
Speaker 1: of today, UM, there's gonna be a safe Walks program. Um,

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01:08:44,040 --> 01:08:46,160
Speaker 1: there's well, there's two. There's one on discord where it's

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01:08:46,160 --> 01:08:48,040
Speaker 1: people offering to you know, make sure you can get

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01:08:48,040 --> 01:08:52,759
Speaker 1: through the space safe. Today though, Um, in a positive

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01:08:52,800 --> 01:08:54,760
Speaker 1: and more passive sense, we kind of started taking the

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01:08:54,760 --> 01:08:58,519
Speaker 1: streets back. So UM, we had about four or five

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01:08:58,560 --> 01:09:00,920
Speaker 1: groups of people ranging from town in the fifty just

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01:09:00,920 --> 01:09:04,160
Speaker 1: just walking the streets and not not confronting anybody, not

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01:09:04,240 --> 01:09:07,240
Speaker 1: getting getting into any direct engagement, just going out to

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01:09:07,280 --> 01:09:09,519
Speaker 1: show that we can still walk on our streets and

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01:09:09,800 --> 01:09:13,200
Speaker 1: letting our you know, our our neighbors know that we

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Speaker 1: can actually be together and you know, stand up just

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01:09:16,600 --> 01:09:19,120
Speaker 1: to be together, which is something that I think a

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01:09:19,120 --> 01:09:21,320
Speaker 1: lot of people have lost over the last week. I mean,

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Speaker 1: like the fact that that's even a big step is

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01:09:24,200 --> 01:09:29,040
Speaker 1: showing how tired the situation is. The fact that just

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Speaker 1: getting to that point we're walking around in a group

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Speaker 1: where you feel safe is like a big thing. That. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: that's like a really interesting and horrible indicator of what

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Speaker 1: the mood has been like there for people like living

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Speaker 1: in this area. That is yeah, that is a big

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Speaker 1: part of it. And it's something that was actually talked

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01:09:47,400 --> 01:09:49,680
Speaker 1: about a lot today, which was how refreshing it was

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01:09:49,720 --> 01:09:51,439
Speaker 1: to be able to do it, but also that it

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01:09:51,439 --> 01:09:54,719
Speaker 1: shouldn't feel radical to take a safe walk in your community,

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01:09:54,760 --> 01:09:58,920
Speaker 1: but it somehow did um and it speaks a lot

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01:09:58,960 --> 01:10:02,360
Speaker 1: to this feel things, the lack of safety, of the

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01:10:02,400 --> 01:10:05,720
Speaker 1: loss of you know, safety in this community and has

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01:10:05,760 --> 01:10:09,479
Speaker 1: been pretty immense. I should mention that another community led

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01:10:09,520 --> 01:10:13,720
Speaker 1: effort to deal with the occupation is the ram Ranch Resistance,

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01:10:13,960 --> 01:10:16,280
Speaker 1: a loose the organized counter movement to the Chuck Our

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Speaker 1: Convoy that started with people joining the convoys online communications

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01:10:20,240 --> 01:10:24,439
Speaker 1: channels and blasting the home of erotic country song ram Ranch.

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01:10:25,160 --> 01:10:27,840
Speaker 1: The song is by a Canadian artist and features some

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Speaker 1: flawless lyrics like eighteen naked cowboys wanting to be fucked,

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Speaker 1: cowboys in the showers at ram Ranch on their knees

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01:10:35,920 --> 01:10:40,680
Speaker 1: wanting to suck cowboy cox. Ram Ranch really rocks. The

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01:10:40,720 --> 01:10:46,320
Speaker 1: result is not only making the convoy folks uncomfortable because gay,

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01:10:46,360 --> 01:10:49,560
Speaker 1: but also it is hijacking and making their online communications

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01:10:49,640 --> 01:10:53,000
Speaker 1: channels kind of useless for any non cowboy cock sucking

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01:10:53,000 --> 01:10:58,480
Speaker 1: political organizing efforts disruptive resistance to the convoys online communications

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Speaker 1: is not just limited to the ram Ranch song, however,

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Speaker 1: Other vulgar songs have also been introduced into the chats

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Speaker 1: as well. I'm gonna just kind of give you a

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01:11:07,200 --> 01:11:11,400
Speaker 1: brief look at what it's like inside these chats, right Yeah,

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01:11:11,520 --> 01:11:13,880
Speaker 1: I'm gonna. I'm gonna, I'm gonna role play it. The

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01:11:14,000 --> 01:11:16,639
Speaker 1: ram Ranch guys are finally gone. It's about freaking time.

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Speaker 1: I've had to shut that stuff off. One person has

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01:11:18,920 --> 01:11:21,840
Speaker 1: heard saying and a clip from a chat immediately followed

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Speaker 1: by a robotic voice saying, welcome to the come zone.

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01:11:25,240 --> 01:11:28,880
Speaker 1: Only come inside anime girls, quivering clip, double jointed pussy

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Speaker 1: fresh balls. Since then, the movement has taken on as

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Speaker 1: something of a life of its own. The ram Ranch

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Speaker 1: Resistance hashtag has been used as a way for people

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Speaker 1: to share information regarding the convoy, and welcome to the

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Speaker 1: ram Ranch signs have been popping up at convoy counter

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01:11:43,640 --> 01:11:47,799
Speaker 1: protests around the country. Another ram rancher created the website

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Speaker 1: ram Ranch dot c, a linking to downtown organizations that

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01:11:51,120 --> 01:11:53,840
Speaker 1: have been impacted by the trucker convoy, as well as

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01:11:53,920 --> 01:11:58,640
Speaker 1: charities aiding indigenous people's as the convoy settled in, it

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01:11:58,680 --> 01:12:01,280
Speaker 1: appeared that the demonstrators and the government had reached a

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01:12:01,400 --> 01:12:04,759
Speaker 1: sort of stalemate. Currently, there are more than four hundred

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01:12:04,800 --> 01:12:08,160
Speaker 1: trucks parked downtown and Ottawa Police say that they can't

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01:12:08,240 --> 01:12:11,599
Speaker 1: move them because the two operators with city contracts are

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01:12:11,600 --> 01:12:15,360
Speaker 1: refusing to help, making matters only more difficult. Police say

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01:12:15,360 --> 01:12:18,080
Speaker 1: that families with children are sleeping in approximately a quarter

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01:12:18,200 --> 01:12:21,479
Speaker 1: of those trucks. To get an idea of what some

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01:12:21,600 --> 01:12:25,559
Speaker 1: Autawa residents who live within the occupied zone see in

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01:12:25,680 --> 01:12:28,719
Speaker 1: terms of a potential end in sight, I posed Paul

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01:12:28,920 --> 01:12:32,519
Speaker 1: this question, how do you even see the situation resolving

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01:12:32,520 --> 01:12:34,320
Speaker 1: at this point? Like do you do you think they're

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01:12:34,439 --> 01:12:36,160
Speaker 1: like the truckers and the people who are in the

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01:12:36,200 --> 01:12:39,479
Speaker 1: city are gonna are gonna back down and leave eventually,

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01:12:39,600 --> 01:12:41,680
Speaker 1: or like or do you think they have to be

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01:12:41,720 --> 01:12:43,920
Speaker 1: forced out? Like what do you see kind of an

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01:12:44,000 --> 01:12:48,120
Speaker 1: end to this at this point? Well, it's at this point.

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01:12:48,520 --> 01:12:50,160
Speaker 1: Probably one of the hardest things to admit is that

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01:12:50,200 --> 01:12:53,960
Speaker 1: I don't um the hardest core that are here committed.

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01:12:54,040 --> 01:12:57,439
Speaker 1: They have a significant amount of funding behind them. And

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01:12:57,479 --> 01:13:01,040
Speaker 1: the thing is that you know, with an OCCU patient protests,

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01:13:01,560 --> 01:13:03,960
Speaker 1: they if you don't nip it in the bud. It's

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01:13:03,960 --> 01:13:07,240
Speaker 1: snowballs and gathers momentum for a while, um, and I

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01:13:07,280 --> 01:13:09,400
Speaker 1: mean eventually they either peter out or they have to

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01:13:09,400 --> 01:13:13,479
Speaker 1: be removed. And this one is still snowballing. Um. We've

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01:13:13,479 --> 01:13:17,160
Speaker 1: seen some more extreme elements coming into the city this week. Um.

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01:13:17,240 --> 01:13:23,479
Speaker 1: Yesterday Romana did dulo the human on Queen of Canada

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01:13:23,560 --> 01:13:26,920
Speaker 1: arrived in birth Brent the Canadian flag on Parliament Hill,

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01:13:26,960 --> 01:13:29,160
Speaker 1: which whatever you think about the Canadian flag, and it's

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01:13:29,320 --> 01:13:32,680
Speaker 1: simple as a simpler propression. Um, you know, that's not

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01:13:32,720 --> 01:13:35,160
Speaker 1: a great look for them. But the other side of

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01:13:35,200 --> 01:13:36,679
Speaker 1: it is is that this is a woman with seventy

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01:13:36,720 --> 01:13:39,679
Speaker 1: thou followers who you know, has called for the mass

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01:13:39,680 --> 01:13:44,240
Speaker 1: execution of her enemies, and you know is currently parked

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01:13:44,240 --> 01:13:46,800
Speaker 1: in or Winnebago two and a half blocks from my

1339
01:13:46,840 --> 01:13:50,680
Speaker 1: house right now, um so and with a bunch of

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01:13:50,680 --> 01:13:55,360
Speaker 1: her followers down with her. And so they're committed. They

1341
01:13:55,439 --> 01:14:00,360
Speaker 1: know they don't know that I did occupy a lot

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01:14:00,360 --> 01:14:03,400
Speaker 1: of years ago. And the question that people asked us,

1343
01:14:03,400 --> 01:14:06,120
Speaker 1: and sometimes it was the police, was what gets you

1344
01:14:06,160 --> 01:14:09,120
Speaker 1: out of the park. And in a weird way, there's

1345
01:14:09,160 --> 01:14:11,840
Speaker 1: a parallel here which is that the hardest answer with

1346
01:14:11,880 --> 01:14:15,120
Speaker 1: occupy was always kind of like, everything is kind of fucked,

1347
01:14:15,240 --> 01:14:18,320
Speaker 1: so how do we fix everything? That's the discussion we

1348
01:14:18,320 --> 01:14:21,240
Speaker 1: should be having. So in this case, to these people,

1349
01:14:22,000 --> 01:14:26,240
Speaker 1: in their worldview, everything is kind of fucked, and there's

1350
01:14:26,280 --> 01:14:28,120
Speaker 1: no answer that you can give those kind of people

1351
01:14:28,120 --> 01:14:32,240
Speaker 1: in negotiations. The police right now are not looking at

1352
01:14:32,280 --> 01:14:34,639
Speaker 1: removal as a serious option, I don't think, or if

1353
01:14:34,640 --> 01:14:37,400
Speaker 1: they are, they haven't figured out how to get to

1354
01:14:37,439 --> 01:14:39,960
Speaker 1: that place yet. And one of the weird things about

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01:14:39,960 --> 01:14:44,800
Speaker 1: Ottawa is is that technically in various spaces because the

1356
01:14:44,800 --> 01:14:48,719
Speaker 1: way it's designated, there's a whole mishmash of jurisdictions between

1357
01:14:48,720 --> 01:14:52,680
Speaker 1: the various police agencies. So like again with occupy, that

1358
01:14:52,720 --> 01:14:54,959
Speaker 1: we picked the park, like the park that was occupied

1359
01:14:55,000 --> 01:14:58,800
Speaker 1: was partially picked because it was on like this weird

1360
01:14:58,920 --> 01:15:01,920
Speaker 1: jurisdictional hole where it was hard to figure out who

1361
01:15:01,920 --> 01:15:05,439
Speaker 1: the cops were at, who should police it were, um so,

1362
01:15:05,600 --> 01:15:07,360
Speaker 1: and they've ended up in the same park where they

1363
01:15:07,360 --> 01:15:12,200
Speaker 1: now have like fifty five cylinders appropane sitting about five

1364
01:15:12,560 --> 01:15:15,280
Speaker 1: yards from the Department of National Defense. So it's a

1365
01:15:16,760 --> 01:15:18,800
Speaker 1: it's tricky to figure out how you how you get

1366
01:15:18,880 --> 01:15:20,160
Speaker 1: get out of that, because all it's going to take

1367
01:15:20,200 --> 01:15:21,559
Speaker 1: is one of them with something in their cab and

1368
01:15:21,560 --> 01:15:25,840
Speaker 1: it's done. Yep. Ye. Well, do you have any hope

1369
01:15:25,840 --> 01:15:28,360
Speaker 1: for anything? Do you have any like indicators for how

1370
01:15:28,400 --> 01:15:32,680
Speaker 1: it can turn out? Well, I mean in terms of

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01:15:32,720 --> 01:15:35,960
Speaker 1: the occupation, I mean, we'll see how it goes. Um,

1372
01:15:36,000 --> 01:15:38,599
Speaker 1: maybe there can become some kind of motors vivendi between

1373
01:15:39,200 --> 01:15:41,080
Speaker 1: them and the rest of the city. I don't know

1374
01:15:41,120 --> 01:15:43,720
Speaker 1: how that happens, but maybe there can be, but I

1375
01:15:43,720 --> 01:15:47,040
Speaker 1: don't know. It's the only silver lining I see right

1376
01:15:47,040 --> 01:15:49,920
Speaker 1: now is you know, the walk that I was on

1377
01:15:49,960 --> 01:15:52,280
Speaker 1: earlier today and the chat that I was having with

1378
01:15:52,280 --> 01:15:55,240
Speaker 1: other people in the community and the discord server and

1379
01:15:55,320 --> 01:15:59,360
Speaker 1: everywhere else, like, this is a really strong community that

1380
01:15:59,400 --> 01:16:01,519
Speaker 1: cares a great about itself and sometimes needed to be

1381
01:16:01,640 --> 01:16:04,200
Speaker 1: needs to be reminded of that. And uh, I think

1382
01:16:04,200 --> 01:16:06,040
Speaker 1: this is an opportunity for that to happen. Then I

1383
01:16:06,040 --> 01:16:08,960
Speaker 1: think that that's the positive that can come out, is

1384
01:16:09,000 --> 01:16:10,800
Speaker 1: that we will take care of ourselves and we'll take

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01:16:10,840 --> 01:16:13,559
Speaker 1: care of each other. And that's uh. You know what,

1386
01:16:13,560 --> 01:16:15,040
Speaker 1: what more can you ask? Where I guess out of this?

1387
01:16:15,600 --> 01:16:18,759
Speaker 1: Reports of assaults perpetrated by members of the Convoy protest

1388
01:16:19,000 --> 01:16:22,160
Speaker 1: have been steadily ruling in the past few weeks, not

1389
01:16:22,240 --> 01:16:24,960
Speaker 1: to mention the seemingly constant presence of honking in the

1390
01:16:25,000 --> 01:16:28,599
Speaker 1: downtown area that's been affecting residents every day and even

1391
01:16:28,680 --> 01:16:31,719
Speaker 1: into the night. I will offer you this short sample

1392
01:16:31,840 --> 01:16:34,240
Speaker 1: to help complete the picture of what it's like, both

1393
01:16:34,280 --> 01:16:54,240
Speaker 1: indoors and outdoors in downtown Ottawa. So apologies about that. Yeah,

1394
01:16:54,280 --> 01:16:57,200
Speaker 1: that was pretty bad and as annoying and frustrating as

1395
01:16:57,200 --> 01:16:59,559
Speaker 1: it may be. Before I close out part one, I'm

1396
01:16:59,600 --> 01:17:01,639
Speaker 1: going to play some audio from one of the truckers

1397
01:17:01,720 --> 01:17:05,400
Speaker 1: or you know, just Convoy participants as he addresses fellow

1398
01:17:05,560 --> 01:17:09,560
Speaker 1: convoy ors on why it's good and in fact revolutionary

1399
01:17:09,680 --> 01:17:13,160
Speaker 1: to hunk horns late into the night. I think it

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01:17:13,200 --> 01:17:15,960
Speaker 1: gives you some valuable insight into how these people frame

1401
01:17:16,080 --> 01:17:19,040
Speaker 1: their actions in their own heads, and you know, it'll

1402
01:17:19,080 --> 01:17:21,559
Speaker 1: give you an opportunity to hear some of these Convoy

1403
01:17:21,600 --> 01:17:25,360
Speaker 1: people directly. So here we go. Yeah, what's going on?

1404
01:17:26,040 --> 01:17:28,280
Speaker 1: There was quiet when I got here, but now they're

1405
01:17:28,280 --> 01:17:31,479
Speaker 1: starting to be They're starting to make some noise. Now

1406
01:17:31,520 --> 01:17:33,559
Speaker 1: I get it. I saw some proments saying that you

1407
01:17:33,560 --> 01:17:35,240
Speaker 1: want to go from nine to five, and you want

1408
01:17:35,240 --> 01:17:37,400
Speaker 1: to turn your horns off, and you want to you know,

1409
01:17:37,560 --> 01:17:40,360
Speaker 1: be respectful and play the optics war. And you've done

1410
01:17:40,360 --> 01:17:42,880
Speaker 1: You've done all the map man, I get it. I

1411
01:17:43,160 --> 01:17:46,800
Speaker 1: We've done everything. Every piece of garbage has been picked up. Statistically,

1412
01:17:46,840 --> 01:17:49,360
Speaker 1: there is no crime. And when I mean statistically, if

1413
01:17:49,400 --> 01:17:52,160
Speaker 1: you have some drunk guy acted, you know, silly on

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01:17:52,160 --> 01:17:55,120
Speaker 1: one street quickly gets you know, talk to and then

1415
01:17:55,120 --> 01:17:57,080
Speaker 1: the Patriots taken back to his car and maybe there

1416
01:17:57,120 --> 01:17:59,879
Speaker 1: was something incident of mission. I've heard reports of Antima

1417
01:18:00,040 --> 01:18:02,479
Speaker 1: rowing rocks and trucks, tag and stuff. They're the ones

1418
01:18:02,520 --> 01:18:04,640
Speaker 1: committing the crime. But other than that, this has been

1419
01:18:04,680 --> 01:18:07,760
Speaker 1: the most well behave revolution on earth. And now the

1420
01:18:07,840 --> 01:18:10,559
Speaker 1: big complaint is can you get them to only blow

1421
01:18:10,600 --> 01:18:14,800
Speaker 1: their horns between nine and five? I'm sorry, what has

1422
01:18:14,840 --> 01:18:18,000
Speaker 1: compliant got you guys so far? What is just little

1423
01:18:18,040 --> 01:18:20,679
Speaker 1: by little? Oh? Just do this? Yeah, just just don't

1424
01:18:20,680 --> 01:18:22,680
Speaker 1: peep your horns between nine and five, That's all we're

1425
01:18:22,680 --> 01:18:26,559
Speaker 1: gonna ask. Then were two masks, then just go right

1426
01:18:26,560 --> 01:18:29,439
Speaker 1: back to square one. How about you put your blame

1427
01:18:29,560 --> 01:18:32,560
Speaker 1: right where it belongs, right in the eye of Sauron,

1428
01:18:33,479 --> 01:18:36,520
Speaker 1: And that's who we handle this with and every mandate.

1429
01:18:36,680 --> 01:18:39,080
Speaker 1: We're not allowed to exist in society. I'm not allowed

1430
01:18:39,080 --> 01:18:40,320
Speaker 1: to go to a movie. I'm not allowed to go

1431
01:18:40,360 --> 01:18:43,160
Speaker 1: to a restaurant. I'm not allowed to leave the country.

1432
01:18:43,320 --> 01:18:47,320
Speaker 1: You can't even leave, you can't travel on planes, you

1433
01:18:47,400 --> 01:18:49,960
Speaker 1: can't do anything that Trudeau can get his fingers on

1434
01:18:50,000 --> 01:18:54,360
Speaker 1: to discriminate against us in society. Meanwhile, he'll blame us

1435
01:18:54,760 --> 01:18:58,479
Speaker 1: for side effects of his guinea pigs. It's an insane world.

1436
01:18:58,520 --> 01:19:01,600
Speaker 1: And you've complied long enough, eyes and the madness in

1437
01:19:01,680 --> 01:19:03,920
Speaker 1: the horns stop. But I am in no place to

1438
01:19:03,960 --> 01:19:06,320
Speaker 1: go tell these guys, oh excuse me? Can you turn

1439
01:19:06,360 --> 01:19:08,880
Speaker 1: your horn off? Can you get used to complying again?

1440
01:19:09,400 --> 01:19:12,240
Speaker 1: We want freedom. We're not asking for anything unreasonable, and

1441
01:19:12,280 --> 01:19:14,360
Speaker 1: we're doing it on your behalf. The least you can

1442
01:19:14,360 --> 01:19:16,920
Speaker 1: do is turn off your televisions and stop letting their

1443
01:19:17,000 --> 01:19:21,000
Speaker 1: horrible objections to this revolution, and they're horrible false flags

1444
01:19:21,240 --> 01:19:24,160
Speaker 1: and whatever else they bring. I'm sorry about the noise complaints.

1445
01:19:24,520 --> 01:19:27,439
Speaker 1: Now are you sorry about banishing me from society and

1446
01:19:27,479 --> 01:19:30,160
Speaker 1: treating me like I'm some sort of lemm because I

1447
01:19:30,200 --> 01:19:34,519
Speaker 1: want to keep my immune system intech. Sorry, guys, the

1448
01:19:34,640 --> 01:19:37,960
Speaker 1: horns a stand stuff it up your ass. Anyone that

1449
01:19:38,080 --> 01:19:40,639
Speaker 1: has a problem with loud noises, we have a problem

1450
01:19:40,720 --> 01:19:45,320
Speaker 1: being banished from society. Apologies for that. But now I

1451
01:19:45,320 --> 01:19:47,920
Speaker 1: hope you have a better understanding of the type of

1452
01:19:47,920 --> 01:19:51,840
Speaker 1: conspiratorial thinking among the people in this convoy and the

1453
01:19:51,920 --> 01:19:56,200
Speaker 1: importance this whole thing means to them. So with this,

1454
01:19:56,400 --> 01:19:59,000
Speaker 1: that wraps up my part one of my deep dive

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01:19:59,080 --> 01:20:03,120
Speaker 1: into the Canadian Freedom Convoy. In the next episode, we'll

1456
01:20:03,160 --> 01:20:06,479
Speaker 1: get into the border blockades both in Alberta and the

1457
01:20:06,520 --> 01:20:10,280
Speaker 1: Ambassador Bridge, which is preventing some international trade. We'll get

1458
01:20:10,280 --> 01:20:12,880
Speaker 1: into some of the smaller protests and attempted occupations in

1459
01:20:13,000 --> 01:20:16,439
Speaker 1: other cities across Canada, and how the situation is evolving

1460
01:20:16,479 --> 01:20:19,840
Speaker 1: in Ottawa and what types of long term political ramifications

1461
01:20:19,920 --> 01:20:22,800
Speaker 1: this protest and any attempt to suppress it will have.

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Speaker 1: So with that, see you on the other side. If

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Speaker 1: I could be you and you could be me for

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Speaker 1: just one hour, if you could find a way to

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Speaker 1: get inside each other's mind, walk a mile in my shoes,

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Speaker 1: wac a mile in my shoes shoes. We've all felt

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Speaker 1: the second part of my little mini series going into

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Speaker 1: the occupation and blockade protests all across Canada that's been

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01:22:56,360 --> 01:23:00,320
Speaker 1: happening the past three weeks. For part two, will be

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01:23:00,320 --> 01:23:04,240
Speaker 1: starting off with a change of scenery. Instead of the loud,

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01:23:04,360 --> 01:23:08,360
Speaker 1: cramped streets of Datown, Ottawa and the castle like Parliament building,

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01:23:08,840 --> 01:23:12,560
Speaker 1: We'll be taking a detour to the snow covered prairies

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01:23:12,680 --> 01:23:18,040
Speaker 1: and oil fields of rural Alberta. As the convoy officially

1504
01:23:18,080 --> 01:23:22,360
Speaker 1: arrived in Ottawa on January nine, smaller protests against health

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01:23:22,400 --> 01:23:26,240
Speaker 1: mandates were also happening across the entire country. One of

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01:23:26,280 --> 01:23:28,960
Speaker 1: these mini protests was happening in the small city of

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01:23:29,080 --> 01:23:33,800
Speaker 1: Lethbridge in southern Alberta, but unlike the majority of other

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01:23:34,280 --> 01:23:38,679
Speaker 1: non Ottawa protests, The one based around lefth Bridge didn't

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01:23:38,720 --> 01:23:41,680
Speaker 1: turn out to be a simple weekend of fair. With

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01:23:41,880 --> 01:23:45,040
Speaker 1: hundreds of vehicles, including some semi trucks, r vs and

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01:23:45,160 --> 01:23:48,880
Speaker 1: farm tractors all gathered together. It was decided to take

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01:23:48,920 --> 01:23:52,519
Speaker 1: part in a little mini convoy of their own, but

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01:23:52,560 --> 01:23:56,160
Speaker 1: instead of going to a capital building, they rolled towards

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01:23:56,160 --> 01:23:59,880
Speaker 1: the international border crossing used by truckers in the area.

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01:24:00,840 --> 01:24:03,920
Speaker 1: I was able to interview gen a left Bridge local

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01:24:04,040 --> 01:24:06,519
Speaker 1: who also happens to work near the area of the

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01:24:06,560 --> 01:24:10,320
Speaker 1: Alberta border block gade. They kind of gathered in left

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01:24:10,320 --> 01:24:12,719
Speaker 1: Bridge here and took off about four thirty in the morning,

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01:24:13,479 --> 01:24:17,000
Speaker 1: and so they made it down to the village of Coots, Um,

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01:24:17,080 --> 01:24:21,880
Speaker 1: which is essentially right on the borders, the last stop

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01:24:21,920 --> 01:24:26,400
Speaker 1: before you hit the border at um Coots, Alberta, sweet Grass, Montana.

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01:24:27,240 --> 01:24:32,559
Speaker 1: And they blocked off the highway completely um heading both

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01:24:32,960 --> 01:24:37,320
Speaker 1: northbound and southbound, and they've been camped out since. So

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01:24:37,680 --> 01:24:41,639
Speaker 1: it's my understanding that at that point in time, throughout

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01:24:41,840 --> 01:24:46,519
Speaker 1: you know, day one, two and three of their protest um,

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01:24:46,560 --> 01:24:49,400
Speaker 1: there was no getting in or out out of the

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01:24:49,479 --> 01:24:52,719
Speaker 1: village of Coots, which is it is a small village

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01:24:52,760 --> 01:24:56,160
Speaker 1: about two hundred and fifty residents UM and it was

1529
01:24:56,200 --> 01:24:59,080
Speaker 1: so bad that not even emergency services could get through

1530
01:24:59,760 --> 01:25:03,439
Speaker 1: uh um again blocking both lanes of the highway in

1531
01:25:03,439 --> 01:25:07,960
Speaker 1: either direction in the ditches UM and just weren't letting up.

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01:25:08,840 --> 01:25:12,120
Speaker 1: And so are they even driving anywhere? Or is it

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01:25:12,200 --> 01:25:15,280
Speaker 1: are they just like camped there, just camped out there,

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01:25:15,320 --> 01:25:18,680
Speaker 1: parked um. And of course you know there's people that

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01:25:18,760 --> 01:25:22,000
Speaker 1: will drive down to the border and participate for a

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01:25:22,040 --> 01:25:23,960
Speaker 1: couple of hours and you know, turn around and go

1537
01:25:24,160 --> 01:25:28,160
Speaker 1: home kind of thing. But there is that core group UM,

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01:25:28,720 --> 01:25:31,519
Speaker 1: the majority of which are actually farmers bringing down like

1539
01:25:31,560 --> 01:25:36,280
Speaker 1: their tractors, and of course there is some semitruck drivers

1540
01:25:36,640 --> 01:25:39,200
Speaker 1: who are all a part of it and just not

1541
01:25:39,400 --> 01:25:42,880
Speaker 1: allowing anyone to get through on either side, so you know,

1542
01:25:42,960 --> 01:25:46,760
Speaker 1: holding up a lot of a lot of our supplies,

1543
01:25:46,800 --> 01:25:50,519
Speaker 1: a lot of our UM food and things like that.

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01:25:50,920 --> 01:25:55,200
Speaker 1: At first, local police and RCMP just waited out the blockade,

1545
01:25:55,320 --> 01:25:57,360
Speaker 1: I guess, hoping to see if the people would just

1546
01:25:57,400 --> 01:25:59,960
Speaker 1: get tired of camping out in the cold and then

1547
01:26:00,160 --> 01:26:03,840
Speaker 1: you know, go home. But after a few days that

1548
01:26:03,920 --> 01:26:09,000
Speaker 1: possibility seemed less and less likely. Then when the RCMP

1549
01:26:09,280 --> 01:26:11,960
Speaker 1: did start to get more actively involved with kind of

1550
01:26:12,040 --> 01:26:14,920
Speaker 1: managing the blockade, albeit you know, with a very gentle

1551
01:26:15,000 --> 01:26:19,240
Speaker 1: hand and extremely start contrast to how RCMP handles blockades,

1552
01:26:19,280 --> 01:26:22,160
Speaker 1: you know, defending indigenous land. But at that point it

1553
01:26:22,200 --> 01:26:25,080
Speaker 1: was already kind of too late and the pacified police

1554
01:26:25,080 --> 01:26:30,240
Speaker 1: action only spread the protests efforts. On day four of

1555
01:26:30,280 --> 01:26:34,400
Speaker 1: the blockade at the border UM, the RCMP had kind

1556
01:26:34,400 --> 01:26:36,439
Speaker 1: of moved in a little bit and tried to break

1557
01:26:36,479 --> 01:26:40,439
Speaker 1: it up. So some of the protesters had kind of

1558
01:26:40,479 --> 01:26:43,400
Speaker 1: broken off and decided to blockade's mother areas. So there

1559
01:26:43,479 --> 01:26:47,679
Speaker 1: was a blockade that happened on Highway three just outside

1560
01:26:47,720 --> 01:26:50,559
Speaker 1: of the town of Fort McLoud, on the way to

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01:26:51,280 --> 01:26:53,759
Speaker 1: the town of Brockett, which would be on the Blood

1562
01:26:53,800 --> 01:26:57,320
Speaker 1: Reserve here in Alberta. UM. They blockaded the highway and

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01:26:57,320 --> 01:27:00,800
Speaker 1: wouldn't let anyone through, and then they set up another

1564
01:27:00,880 --> 01:27:05,400
Speaker 1: blockade UM on Highway twenty three, which of course would

1565
01:27:05,439 --> 01:27:08,639
Speaker 1: be the the next north south route, given that Highway

1566
01:27:08,640 --> 01:27:10,920
Speaker 1: three was now blocked off. The Highway three going to

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01:27:11,000 --> 01:27:16,240
Speaker 1: Highway two. UM. So they've blocked off Highway twenty three. UM.

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01:27:16,280 --> 01:27:19,640
Speaker 1: At there's a traffic circle or a roundabout kind of

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01:27:19,640 --> 01:27:22,120
Speaker 1: in the middle of nowhere in the highway at the

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01:27:22,200 --> 01:27:26,519
Speaker 1: village of Nobleford, sorry, town of Nobleford, and they set

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01:27:26,560 --> 01:27:28,640
Speaker 1: up a blockade at the roundabout as well. Wouldn't let

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01:27:28,680 --> 01:27:32,719
Speaker 1: anyone come in north south east west, didn't matter. Um,

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01:27:32,760 --> 01:27:41,439
Speaker 1: So that was Tuesday, Tuesday to uh four and three, Yeah,

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01:27:42,200 --> 01:27:44,920
Speaker 1: effectively shutting down any kind of like travel for like

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01:27:44,960 --> 01:27:50,320
Speaker 1: food and supplies for like all four directions pretty much exactly. Yeah. Like,

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01:27:50,360 --> 01:27:54,839
Speaker 1: there was a lot of chatter on social media. Um,

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01:27:55,000 --> 01:27:57,840
Speaker 1: we have a local Facebook group for road conditions, and

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01:27:57,880 --> 01:28:00,080
Speaker 1: there was a lot of chatter, you know, where do

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01:28:00,160 --> 01:28:02,639
Speaker 1: we go, how do we get around this? What back roads?

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01:28:02,680 --> 01:28:06,519
Speaker 1: Should I take? Secondary highways? That sort of thing. And thankfully,

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01:28:06,560 --> 01:28:09,240
Speaker 1: you know, there was still I suppose some ways to

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01:28:09,280 --> 01:28:11,720
Speaker 1: get around it. The RCMP we're kind of setting up

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01:28:11,840 --> 01:28:17,080
Speaker 1: detours and things like that. But those main routes were blockaded,

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01:28:17,560 --> 01:28:21,080
Speaker 1: um on Tuesday, which would have been I guess what

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01:28:21,200 --> 01:28:25,679
Speaker 1: days that February one. The static highway blockades preventing traffic

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01:28:25,680 --> 01:28:28,599
Speaker 1: in all four directions were mostly a one day affair.

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01:28:29,360 --> 01:28:32,759
Speaker 1: The next Wednesday morning, more effort was put back into

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01:28:32,800 --> 01:28:35,880
Speaker 1: the main blockade at the border near Coots with some

1589
01:28:35,920 --> 01:28:39,360
Speaker 1: folks still participating in the rolling blockades of sorts, you know,

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01:28:39,760 --> 01:28:42,760
Speaker 1: on the surrounding highways. So instead of just blocking the

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01:28:42,840 --> 01:28:46,520
Speaker 1: roads by staying parked people in vehicles, kept a slow

1592
01:28:46,680 --> 01:28:49,960
Speaker 1: loop of traffic moving through the highway system to clog

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01:28:50,040 --> 01:28:52,960
Speaker 1: up travel. And then like the contingent at closer to

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01:28:53,160 --> 01:28:56,559
Speaker 1: the border has been more consistent, you would say, yeah,

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01:28:56,640 --> 01:29:00,719
Speaker 1: definitely the contingent at the border on highway for like

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01:29:00,760 --> 01:29:03,960
Speaker 1: I said at Coots, Alberta, they've been set up all

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01:29:04,000 --> 01:29:07,479
Speaker 1: the way through since the twenty nine UM. There has

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01:29:07,520 --> 01:29:11,639
Speaker 1: been days where the tensions are definitely very high where

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01:29:11,680 --> 01:29:16,280
Speaker 1: those protesters are saying we will not leave until UM,

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01:29:16,400 --> 01:29:19,240
Speaker 1: or we won't even come to the negotiating table until

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01:29:19,439 --> 01:29:25,280
Speaker 1: these restrictions are gone, like we won't even attempt And

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01:29:25,360 --> 01:29:29,519
Speaker 1: so the RCMP have been kind of in negotiations with

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01:29:29,640 --> 01:29:31,880
Speaker 1: them over the last few days. There's been a couple

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01:29:31,920 --> 01:29:34,240
Speaker 1: of times where they thought they had resolution to open

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01:29:34,320 --> 01:29:37,240
Speaker 1: up lanes of travel to get some of these trucks

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01:29:37,280 --> 01:29:41,040
Speaker 1: with goods through UM. And of course there's been people

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01:29:41,080 --> 01:29:43,360
Speaker 1: stuck in their cars as well for quite a few

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01:29:43,400 --> 01:29:47,320
Speaker 1: days without food. At that point, UM the protesters originally

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01:29:47,320 --> 01:29:49,120
Speaker 1: had come to an agreement with the r CDP to

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01:29:49,200 --> 01:29:52,880
Speaker 1: let some people through and then turn around and decided, well,

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01:29:52,920 --> 01:29:56,920
Speaker 1: we don't really want to. So that was kind of

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01:29:56,920 --> 01:30:03,120
Speaker 1: ongoing from I'm going to suggest up until about second UM.

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01:30:03,200 --> 01:30:06,200
Speaker 1: On the second the RCMP had set up a roadblock

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01:30:07,120 --> 01:30:11,160
Speaker 1: at the town of Milk River too, I guess, dissuade

1615
01:30:11,960 --> 01:30:15,840
Speaker 1: the the locals from coming out and adding to the

1616
01:30:15,880 --> 01:30:19,280
Speaker 1: congestion and adding to the problems. And at one point

1617
01:30:19,680 --> 01:30:22,639
Speaker 1: UM there was a group of people and videos are

1618
01:30:23,280 --> 01:30:27,280
Speaker 1: on TikTok, they're on Facebook, they're on Twitter where people

1619
01:30:27,360 --> 01:30:31,880
Speaker 1: are blasting through the barricades, going through the ditch, going

1620
01:30:31,880 --> 01:30:36,040
Speaker 1: through the median, just bypassing it completely to get down

1621
01:30:36,080 --> 01:30:41,880
Speaker 1: to the convoy protest. As I record this, the border

1622
01:30:41,920 --> 01:30:44,840
Speaker 1: crossing port of entry near the town of Coots has

1623
01:30:44,840 --> 01:30:49,639
Speaker 1: been largely impassable for over two weeks. It's a major

1624
01:30:49,680 --> 01:30:53,160
Speaker 1: trade hub where millions of dollars worth of agricultural products

1625
01:30:53,200 --> 01:30:57,559
Speaker 1: like meat and feed trade hands each day. The first

1626
01:30:57,600 --> 01:31:00,880
Speaker 1: day had hundreds of vehicles participating in blocking access to

1627
01:31:01,040 --> 01:31:04,360
Speaker 1: the trade route along highway for but after a week

1628
01:31:04,360 --> 01:31:08,240
Speaker 1: of blockading the Alberta, Montana border crossing, around eighty big

1629
01:31:08,320 --> 01:31:11,960
Speaker 1: rigs continued to remain along the highway for a majority

1630
01:31:12,000 --> 01:31:15,120
Speaker 1: of the time. Since the twenty ninth of January, vehicle

1631
01:31:15,160 --> 01:31:17,840
Speaker 1: access has been either completely stopped to and from the

1632
01:31:17,840 --> 01:31:21,960
Speaker 1: border or at least substantially slowed down. The occasional day

1633
01:31:21,960 --> 01:31:24,680
Speaker 1: where vehicles are being let through on one lane of

1634
01:31:24,760 --> 01:31:28,280
Speaker 1: traffic has an estimated seven hours of stall time order

1635
01:31:28,360 --> 01:31:31,600
Speaker 1: to get through just that tiny area of road. The

1636
01:31:31,640 --> 01:31:34,960
Speaker 1: blockade of that international port of entry at Coots and

1637
01:31:35,120 --> 01:31:38,920
Speaker 1: the only seven commercial land crossing in Alberta is a

1638
01:31:38,920 --> 01:31:43,360
Speaker 1: direct threat to the economic well being of growers, producers, manufacturers,

1639
01:31:43,439 --> 01:31:45,960
Speaker 1: and many other businesses that rely on the movement of

1640
01:31:46,000 --> 01:31:50,479
Speaker 1: both raw materials and finished goods in and out along

1641
01:31:50,560 --> 01:31:55,759
Speaker 1: the can m X corridor end quote. Lewington has warned

1642
01:31:55,800 --> 01:31:58,439
Speaker 1: that manufacturing plants in the region will be forced to

1643
01:31:58,479 --> 01:32:01,760
Speaker 1: either reduce or canceled production as their supplies run out

1644
01:32:02,080 --> 01:32:05,080
Speaker 1: and they're unable to get their goods to international markets.

1645
01:32:05,680 --> 01:32:08,400
Speaker 1: This is something farmers and food producers are dealing with

1646
01:32:08,439 --> 01:32:11,320
Speaker 1: as well as agricultural experts are one of the region's

1647
01:32:11,400 --> 01:32:17,040
Speaker 1: main economic drivers. In the Left Bridge metropolitan area exported

1648
01:32:17,120 --> 01:32:20,599
Speaker 1: nearly one point eight billion dollars worth of goods around

1649
01:32:20,640 --> 01:32:23,160
Speaker 1: eighty percent of which went to the United States. A

1650
01:32:23,200 --> 01:32:26,799
Speaker 1: vast majority of these exports went through this Coots border crossing.

1651
01:32:27,439 --> 01:32:29,760
Speaker 1: That means for the city of lefth Bridge alone, they're

1652
01:32:29,800 --> 01:32:32,519
Speaker 1: facing a roughly three million dollar a day impact on

1653
01:32:32,560 --> 01:32:35,439
Speaker 1: the economic damage based on the road and rail travel

1654
01:32:35,520 --> 01:32:38,439
Speaker 1: that must move through that port of entry. The impact

1655
01:32:38,479 --> 01:32:40,599
Speaker 1: is of course four or five times larger than if

1656
01:32:40,640 --> 01:32:43,360
Speaker 1: you consider the movement of other Alberta goods in and

1657
01:32:43,360 --> 01:32:47,559
Speaker 1: out of that same North South corridor. It's only more

1658
01:32:47,600 --> 01:32:51,200
Speaker 1: ironic and frustrating considering that the idea of shutting down

1659
01:32:51,240 --> 01:32:55,160
Speaker 1: international capitalist trade, you know, costing millions dollars in losses

1660
01:32:55,200 --> 01:32:57,680
Speaker 1: each and every day, is exactly the sort of thing

1661
01:32:57,760 --> 01:33:01,479
Speaker 1: that these same conservatives would complain that BLM or Antifa

1662
01:33:01,520 --> 01:33:04,519
Speaker 1: would do, you know, like, in terms of anti capitalist action,

1663
01:33:05,040 --> 01:33:08,080
Speaker 1: this is actually more successful in causing damage to capital

1664
01:33:08,120 --> 01:33:10,960
Speaker 1: than really anything I've seen the Canadian left do in

1665
01:33:11,000 --> 01:33:15,280
Speaker 1: recent memory. Now, obviously police response to a left wing protest,

1666
01:33:15,680 --> 01:33:19,320
Speaker 1: you know, doing similar tactics would probably greatly differ, you know.

1667
01:33:19,479 --> 01:33:22,680
Speaker 1: Plus the fact that these people are participating in these

1668
01:33:22,720 --> 01:33:26,000
Speaker 1: blockades are the same types of people that talk about

1669
01:33:26,000 --> 01:33:29,200
Speaker 1: their desire to run down protesters in trucks, you know,

1670
01:33:29,479 --> 01:33:32,040
Speaker 1: whenever there's marching in the street or an indigenous road

1671
01:33:32,040 --> 01:33:35,519
Speaker 1: blockade to a new oil pipeline. Nevertheless, on top of

1672
01:33:35,560 --> 01:33:40,000
Speaker 1: the police inability, whether by choice or imagination, to handle

1673
01:33:40,000 --> 01:33:44,200
Speaker 1: the situation, and considering both the conspiracy fueled political issues

1674
01:33:44,240 --> 01:33:46,880
Speaker 1: around masks of vaccines and health man dates and the

1675
01:33:46,960 --> 01:33:50,840
Speaker 1: growing economic problems the blockade is causing, it's not super

1676
01:33:50,840 --> 01:33:54,439
Speaker 1: surprising that the Conservative government of Alberta again the process

1677
01:33:54,479 --> 01:33:58,280
Speaker 1: of removing health mandates as the protests striked on, and

1678
01:33:58,360 --> 01:34:01,760
Speaker 1: unfortunately it seems like the province is listening and they're

1679
01:34:01,800 --> 01:34:05,479
Speaker 1: taking it seriously. I know. Um last night our premier

1680
01:34:05,560 --> 01:34:09,320
Speaker 1: had gone on Facebook Live and had an ounce that

1681
01:34:09,720 --> 01:34:12,280
Speaker 1: come Monday, the caucus will vote as to whether or

1682
01:34:12,280 --> 01:34:16,200
Speaker 1: not to scrap it um, which would mean that, like

1683
01:34:16,240 --> 01:34:19,160
Speaker 1: I said, now there's no longer that requirement to access

1684
01:34:19,200 --> 01:34:23,320
Speaker 1: some of these these services from private businesses, and then

1685
01:34:23,400 --> 01:34:27,400
Speaker 1: ultimately that would lead us back into our letter rip

1686
01:34:27,479 --> 01:34:30,720
Speaker 1: model that we had last summer. The Monday vote came

1687
01:34:30,760 --> 01:34:35,280
Speaker 1: in the next day, February. Alberta premiere and premiers are

1688
01:34:35,320 --> 01:34:38,000
Speaker 1: like the you know, equivalent of governors for the states,

1689
01:34:38,200 --> 01:34:41,720
Speaker 1: but Alberta Premier Jason Kenney announced that the provinces so

1690
01:34:41,840 --> 01:34:47,120
Speaker 1: called COVID nineteen vaccine passport program would end immediately, explaining

1691
01:34:47,120 --> 01:34:49,800
Speaker 1: that the restruction program had service purpose, but it's no

1692
01:34:49,840 --> 01:34:52,320
Speaker 1: longer needed since Alberta has passed the peak of omner

1693
01:34:52,360 --> 01:34:56,000
Speaker 1: con infections about three weeks ago. Capacity limits were also

1694
01:34:56,040 --> 01:34:59,479
Speaker 1: next Tuesday night for venues with capacity limits under five

1695
01:34:59,520 --> 01:35:02,599
Speaker 1: hundred and fluding libraries and places of worship. An effect

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01:35:02,600 --> 01:35:06,360
Speaker 1: of this past Sunday, February, the province will also no

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01:35:06,439 --> 01:35:10,000
Speaker 1: longer require masking for children and youth in schools and

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01:35:10,080 --> 01:35:13,559
Speaker 1: for any Alberton's aged twelve and under in any setting.

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01:35:14,320 --> 01:35:17,080
Speaker 1: There is a second phase for Alberta's COVID restriction and

1700
01:35:17,080 --> 01:35:19,880
Speaker 1: removal plan. On March one, the province is set to

1701
01:35:19,880 --> 01:35:23,439
Speaker 1: remove any remaining restrictions, including the indoor mask mandate, work

1702
01:35:23,439 --> 01:35:27,040
Speaker 1: from home requirements, any remaining caracity limits, and limits on

1703
01:35:27,040 --> 01:35:31,240
Speaker 1: social gatherings and screenings for youth activities. Jason Kenny did

1704
01:35:31,320 --> 01:35:33,640
Speaker 1: deny that the move has anything to do with the

1705
01:35:33,680 --> 01:35:36,519
Speaker 1: protests from those you know demanding the repeal of vaccine

1706
01:35:36,520 --> 01:35:40,080
Speaker 1: mandates of all types across the country, including the blockade

1707
01:35:40,120 --> 01:35:44,960
Speaker 1: that the government had condemned illegal at the Coots border crossing, saying, quote,

1708
01:35:45,160 --> 01:35:46,840
Speaker 1: none of that has anything to do with a few

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01:35:46,880 --> 01:35:50,320
Speaker 1: trucks participating at the Coots border crossing. Um, who added

1710
01:35:50,360 --> 01:35:54,439
Speaker 1: that keeping previous rules in place would invite widespread non

1711
01:35:54,439 --> 01:35:57,760
Speaker 1: compliance for no purpose, saying why keep this going on

1712
01:35:57,880 --> 01:35:59,639
Speaker 1: for a few days when we know that in many

1713
01:35:59,680 --> 01:36:04,320
Speaker 1: areas as we're already having non compliance problems. So yeah, Um,

1714
01:36:04,400 --> 01:36:09,000
Speaker 1: of course, the demonstrations have continued despite Alberta dropping multiple

1715
01:36:09,040 --> 01:36:12,240
Speaker 1: health measures and agreeing to a demand made by a

1716
01:36:12,240 --> 01:36:15,880
Speaker 1: lot of the anti mandate protesters, which implies that this

1717
01:36:16,000 --> 01:36:20,080
Speaker 1: protest is about much more than simple COVID health measures. Right.

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01:36:20,360 --> 01:36:23,160
Speaker 1: It points to the movement being more about taking political

1719
01:36:23,200 --> 01:36:27,000
Speaker 1: power and forcing everyone to comply with their own conspiratorial

1720
01:36:27,080 --> 01:36:30,720
Speaker 1: and alienated understanding of the world. As someone who's like

1721
01:36:30,800 --> 01:36:33,400
Speaker 1: living in Alberta, which is, you know, one of the

1722
01:36:33,400 --> 01:36:37,840
Speaker 1: more conservative provinces of Canada, Um, how much do you

1723
01:36:37,920 --> 01:36:42,440
Speaker 1: see this kind of this kind of you know, spontaneous

1724
01:36:42,439 --> 01:36:46,879
Speaker 1: revolt and resistance to be actually tied to the health mandates,

1725
01:36:46,880 --> 01:36:48,240
Speaker 1: And how much do you see it? It's more like

1726
01:36:48,280 --> 01:36:52,000
Speaker 1: a revolt around like Trudeau and Canada's like Canada's like

1727
01:36:52,240 --> 01:36:55,519
Speaker 1: um veneer of liberalism, like like like how like how

1728
01:36:55,600 --> 01:36:57,040
Speaker 1: much do you did you see? It's more like a

1729
01:36:57,520 --> 01:37:01,040
Speaker 1: urban rule divide thing that's now just getting pushed into

1730
01:37:01,080 --> 01:37:04,200
Speaker 1: the spotlight because of covid um or do you think

1731
01:37:04,200 --> 01:37:08,280
Speaker 1: it really is way more about COVID itself? Um. I

1732
01:37:08,320 --> 01:37:10,640
Speaker 1: think that the pandemic has definitely had a role to

1733
01:37:10,720 --> 01:37:14,680
Speaker 1: play in sparking a lot of this this fearer and

1734
01:37:14,920 --> 01:37:20,320
Speaker 1: this uh, this disconnect. But the seeds have been sown

1735
01:37:20,439 --> 01:37:24,800
Speaker 1: for many years, through many successive provincial governments and and

1736
01:37:25,280 --> 01:37:29,960
Speaker 1: much rhetoric that um, the West has always been ignored

1737
01:37:30,080 --> 01:37:34,200
Speaker 1: by the East, by our political institutions in the East,

1738
01:37:34,439 --> 01:37:37,719
Speaker 1: namely Otto our federal government, the seat of our federal

1739
01:37:37,760 --> 01:37:42,200
Speaker 1: government in favor of you know, Ontario and Quebec and

1740
01:37:42,240 --> 01:37:46,840
Speaker 1: what they want to Alberton's have always seen themselves with

1741
01:37:46,880 --> 01:37:49,360
Speaker 1: a bit of a martyr complex where we are the

1742
01:37:49,400 --> 01:37:53,320
Speaker 1: economic powerhouse of the country, but we are the ugly

1743
01:37:53,360 --> 01:37:58,120
Speaker 1: stepchild and we are ignored in favor of the wonderful

1744
01:37:58,560 --> 01:38:02,720
Speaker 1: children in the East. And so that that disconnect and

1745
01:38:02,720 --> 01:38:06,160
Speaker 1: that divide has always been there, and the pandemic has

1746
01:38:06,160 --> 01:38:09,719
Speaker 1: been the catalyst um and of course, you know, whenever

1747
01:38:09,840 --> 01:38:14,280
Speaker 1: there is a federal liberal party that's in in power,

1748
01:38:15,640 --> 01:38:19,640
Speaker 1: the conservatives feel the Conservatives in Alberta and in the

1749
01:38:19,720 --> 01:38:24,840
Speaker 1: West they feel even more disenfranchised. They feel that this

1750
01:38:25,320 --> 01:38:27,880
Speaker 1: this government doesn't hear them, they don't listen to them,

1751
01:38:27,880 --> 01:38:32,080
Speaker 1: they don't you know, follow the whims of you know,

1752
01:38:32,160 --> 01:38:35,799
Speaker 1: the died in the world conservatives. And so that rhetoric

1753
01:38:35,880 --> 01:38:39,000
Speaker 1: has built and built and built over the years, um

1754
01:38:39,120 --> 01:38:41,000
Speaker 1: and it's all tied into other things as well. It's

1755
01:38:41,000 --> 01:38:45,200
Speaker 1: tied into the economic policies and the policies of the

1756
01:38:45,240 --> 01:38:49,639
Speaker 1: liberal government with in regards to climate change and carbon

1757
01:38:49,720 --> 01:38:55,720
Speaker 1: tax and how how that's been hitting um Albertan's you know,

1758
01:38:55,960 --> 01:39:00,679
Speaker 1: they our province is very heavily depend and in upon

1759
01:39:01,280 --> 01:39:03,920
Speaker 1: the oil and gas sector, and it always has been

1760
01:39:03,960 --> 01:39:08,479
Speaker 1: for the last I'm gonna suggest fifty six years. And

1761
01:39:08,560 --> 01:39:11,840
Speaker 1: so when they see things like in Autumna, where they're

1762
01:39:11,840 --> 01:39:14,760
Speaker 1: talking about climate change and they're talking about you know,

1763
01:39:14,880 --> 01:39:18,439
Speaker 1: green energy, it makes these conservatives angry because this has

1764
01:39:18,520 --> 01:39:21,400
Speaker 1: been our bread and butter for years. This is what's

1765
01:39:21,439 --> 01:39:25,519
Speaker 1: fed our families. They don't recognize that, you know, this

1766
01:39:25,640 --> 01:39:28,680
Speaker 1: is this is the path forward all they hear is

1767
01:39:29,320 --> 01:39:31,960
Speaker 1: we don't want you, we don't want your jobs, we

1768
01:39:32,000 --> 01:39:36,639
Speaker 1: don't want your products, and they're angry, and this has

1769
01:39:36,680 --> 01:39:41,880
Speaker 1: been the catalyst now where they're just fed up. They're

1770
01:39:41,880 --> 01:39:46,599
Speaker 1: set up with with not being heard. Unfortunately, all that

1771
01:39:46,760 --> 01:39:49,320
Speaker 1: built up anger and resentment towards the government and its

1772
01:39:49,400 --> 01:39:53,000
Speaker 1: leadership is ending up being taken out against just any

1773
01:39:53,040 --> 01:39:56,360
Speaker 1: symbol of liberalism, not really the government directly. You know.

1774
01:39:56,960 --> 01:40:01,160
Speaker 1: Within this worldview, homophobic attacks can be then thought up

1775
01:40:01,200 --> 01:40:04,400
Speaker 1: as this weird form of punching up because gainness is

1776
01:40:04,439 --> 01:40:08,400
Speaker 1: associated with liberalism, so it's seen as almost this system

1777
01:40:08,439 --> 01:40:12,280
Speaker 1: of power, even though it's that's obviously backwards. It's this

1778
01:40:12,840 --> 01:40:15,519
Speaker 1: kind of weird backwards thing where you can view like

1779
01:40:15,840 --> 01:40:19,360
Speaker 1: attacking progressive things as an attack on the system. So

1780
01:40:19,439 --> 01:40:24,120
Speaker 1: that means like being racist or being homophobic, is this

1781
01:40:24,800 --> 01:40:28,559
Speaker 1: rebellion against you know, the system itself, even though it

1782
01:40:28,600 --> 01:40:31,880
Speaker 1: just ties into all those same systemic issues. Just the

1783
01:40:31,920 --> 01:40:35,880
Speaker 1: other day in Edmonton, there was a business owner, uh,

1784
01:40:35,920 --> 01:40:40,559
Speaker 1: a hair salon owner who's been very outspoken about this

1785
01:40:40,760 --> 01:40:44,080
Speaker 1: Freedom Convoy and about how she doesn't agree with their

1786
01:40:44,120 --> 01:40:50,559
Speaker 1: messaging and and their their ideas, and she was actually

1787
01:40:50,920 --> 01:40:54,320
Speaker 1: hunted down on social media, UM hunted down in person.

1788
01:40:54,360 --> 01:40:57,840
Speaker 1: They found her, someone found her her business, went to

1789
01:40:57,960 --> 01:41:01,240
Speaker 1: her business and confronted her and a altered her UM

1790
01:41:01,280 --> 01:41:05,519
Speaker 1: at her business all because she uh does not support

1791
01:41:05,600 --> 01:41:09,680
Speaker 1: the convoy and apparently this individual did. UM. You know,

1792
01:41:09,720 --> 01:41:15,080
Speaker 1: we definitely, we definitely see here that UM. The feeling

1793
01:41:15,200 --> 01:41:17,800
Speaker 1: is is that if you are a liberal in Alberta,

1794
01:41:18,160 --> 01:41:21,680
Speaker 1: this is not the place for you. UM. You know,

1795
01:41:21,720 --> 01:41:27,599
Speaker 1: if you if you believe in you know, equal rights

1796
01:41:27,600 --> 01:41:30,360
Speaker 1: for everyone, this is not the place for you. If

1797
01:41:30,360 --> 01:41:36,600
Speaker 1: you believe in the rights of marginalized and minority communities,

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01:41:37,240 --> 01:41:40,040
Speaker 1: this is not the place for you. And we I've

1799
01:41:40,080 --> 01:41:44,640
Speaker 1: seen that, you know, and taking part in various protests

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01:41:44,680 --> 01:41:47,559
Speaker 1: I suppose that could be branded as liberal protests, like

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01:41:47,600 --> 01:41:51,840
Speaker 1: the Black Lives Matter protests and um, the protests and

1802
01:41:53,360 --> 01:41:56,640
Speaker 1: rallies that were held in support of the indigenous communities

1803
01:41:57,200 --> 01:42:00,960
Speaker 1: last summer upon you know, the news kind of shook

1804
01:42:01,000 --> 01:42:07,280
Speaker 1: the world regarding UM graves at residential schools, and you know,

1805
01:42:07,320 --> 01:42:11,680
Speaker 1: you see it with the indigenous communities that protest pipelines

1806
01:42:11,840 --> 01:42:15,640
Speaker 1: on their traditional lands and they block you know, railways,

1807
01:42:15,680 --> 01:42:18,719
Speaker 1: and the same people that are screaming for jail time

1808
01:42:18,920 --> 01:42:25,799
Speaker 1: and for violence and and police intervention on these various

1809
01:42:25,840 --> 01:42:28,519
Speaker 1: protests are the same people that are taking part in

1810
01:42:28,560 --> 01:42:31,880
Speaker 1: a convoy. Protesters at the Cootes border crossing will now

1811
01:42:31,880 --> 01:42:35,440
Speaker 1: be charged or find according to the province and the RCMP.

1812
01:42:36,400 --> 01:42:39,320
Speaker 1: R CMP Deputy Chief Curtis is a blockie said in

1813
01:42:39,400 --> 01:42:41,760
Speaker 1: a news conference during the start out the second week

1814
01:42:41,840 --> 01:42:45,320
Speaker 1: of the Alberta border blockade that police are actually working

1815
01:42:45,320 --> 01:42:48,879
Speaker 1: to diffuse situation at the most important border crossing in Alberta,

1816
01:42:49,320 --> 01:42:52,400
Speaker 1: but are trying to do so peacefully, saying, make no mistake,

1817
01:42:52,479 --> 01:42:55,400
Speaker 1: there are criminal activities taking place at these process sites

1818
01:42:55,600 --> 01:42:59,120
Speaker 1: that violate both criminal code and provincial laws. We've seen

1819
01:42:59,160 --> 01:43:02,080
Speaker 1: activities that are both dangerous and reckless and are having

1820
01:43:02,080 --> 01:43:04,920
Speaker 1: a very negative effect on Alberton's who live in the area.

1821
01:43:05,520 --> 01:43:08,240
Speaker 1: He then pointed to you know, dwindling numbers involving the

1822
01:43:08,240 --> 01:43:11,640
Speaker 1: blockade from a high of around two fifty vehicles to

1823
01:43:11,720 --> 01:43:16,120
Speaker 1: begin with two around fifty vehicles last Tuesday afternoon as

1824
01:43:16,120 --> 01:43:19,680
Speaker 1: a success of their efforts to this point. But you

1825
01:43:19,720 --> 01:43:23,519
Speaker 1: know this isn't convinced everyone since the blockade is still happening.

1826
01:43:23,880 --> 01:43:28,759
Speaker 1: So Acting Justice Minister and Solicitor General Sonia Savage called

1827
01:43:28,840 --> 01:43:31,400
Speaker 1: the blockade intolerable and said that those taking part in

1828
01:43:31,400 --> 01:43:34,880
Speaker 1: the demonstration can be charged under several different federal and

1829
01:43:34,920 --> 01:43:39,200
Speaker 1: provincial laws, including the Federal Criminal Code, the Provincial Traffic

1830
01:43:39,240 --> 01:43:43,320
Speaker 1: Safety Act, and the new Critical Infrastructure Defense Act, which

1831
01:43:43,360 --> 01:43:46,560
Speaker 1: was enacted right in the middle of during the international

1832
01:43:46,680 --> 01:43:50,679
Speaker 1: George Floyd uprising and the certain rail blockades in Canada.

1833
01:43:51,000 --> 01:43:52,760
Speaker 1: I'm going to go into many tangent here just because

1834
01:43:52,800 --> 01:43:55,320
Speaker 1: of how terrible this bill is. The bill gives law

1835
01:43:55,400 --> 01:43:59,000
Speaker 1: enforcement and the judicial system extra power to dish out

1836
01:43:59,040 --> 01:44:03,240
Speaker 1: significant monetary refinds an extra jail time for actions deemed

1837
01:44:03,240 --> 01:44:08,680
Speaker 1: to interfere with so called essential infrastructure quote unquote. The

1838
01:44:08,760 --> 01:44:11,639
Speaker 1: stated goal of the bill is harsher penalties and charges

1839
01:44:11,960 --> 01:44:16,479
Speaker 1: for quote damage or interference caused by blockades, protests, or

1840
01:44:16,520 --> 01:44:20,960
Speaker 1: similar activities who can cause significant public safety, social, economic,

1841
01:44:21,160 --> 01:44:25,559
Speaker 1: and environmental consequences. The Act bills on existing trespassing laws

1842
01:44:25,600 --> 01:44:29,840
Speaker 1: to create offenses for trespassing on destroying, damaging, and obstructing

1843
01:44:29,840 --> 01:44:33,880
Speaker 1: the use or operation of any essential infrastructure, also under

1844
01:44:33,920 --> 01:44:37,559
Speaker 1: the banner of essential infrastructure that includes public and private property.

1845
01:44:37,600 --> 01:44:40,439
Speaker 1: By the way, the bill was obviously aimed at left

1846
01:44:40,439 --> 01:44:44,439
Speaker 1: wing protests and specifically equal defense and environmental protests and

1847
01:44:44,680 --> 01:44:48,599
Speaker 1: or sabotage as the first two things defined as essential

1848
01:44:48,640 --> 01:44:52,920
Speaker 1: infrastructure in the bill are quote, pipelines and related infrastructure

1849
01:44:53,000 --> 01:44:57,280
Speaker 1: and oil and gas production and refinery sites. So yeah.

1850
01:44:57,400 --> 01:45:00,879
Speaker 1: There's also been pressure from government officials to include forfiture

1851
01:45:01,000 --> 01:45:04,920
Speaker 1: property in the commission of crime through the Civil Forfeiture Act.

1852
01:45:05,320 --> 01:45:08,360
Speaker 1: Our CMP Deputy chiefs the blocks the charges will be

1853
01:45:08,400 --> 01:45:10,800
Speaker 1: coming for those taking part in the protest and could

1854
01:45:10,840 --> 01:45:13,240
Speaker 1: be as simple as the way they are illegally parked

1855
01:45:13,280 --> 01:45:16,360
Speaker 1: on the highway. He didn't note that the RCMP has

1856
01:45:16,400 --> 01:45:19,639
Speaker 1: attempted to hire local towing companies to move the trucks

1857
01:45:19,680 --> 01:45:22,360
Speaker 1: and other equipment off the road, but have been unable

1858
01:45:22,400 --> 01:45:25,920
Speaker 1: to do so, with the companies sitting concerns over damaged

1859
01:45:25,960 --> 01:45:29,160
Speaker 1: their business long term or just safety issues in general.

1860
01:45:29,600 --> 01:45:31,960
Speaker 1: This has also been a huge factor in attempts to

1861
01:45:32,000 --> 01:45:35,840
Speaker 1: deal with the Ottawa occupation. Zablocki said that there are

1862
01:45:36,000 --> 01:45:38,760
Speaker 1: concerns over safety and violence in response to the more

1863
01:45:38,760 --> 01:45:41,720
Speaker 1: aggressive approaches to breaking up the blockade. So far, the

1864
01:45:41,760 --> 01:45:44,439
Speaker 1: main action law enforcement has taken to dissuay people from

1865
01:45:44,479 --> 01:45:47,679
Speaker 1: blocking the border is just giving out tickets and fines

1866
01:45:47,800 --> 01:45:50,960
Speaker 1: for illegal parking. Premier Jason Kenny say that he is

1867
01:45:51,000 --> 01:45:54,479
Speaker 1: supportive of our CMP handling this as they see fit

1868
01:45:55,000 --> 01:45:57,200
Speaker 1: through the means that they already have, and has been

1869
01:45:57,280 --> 01:46:00,800
Speaker 1: supportive of using the you know, pretty horrible the authoritarian

1870
01:46:01,200 --> 01:46:06,040
Speaker 1: Critical Infrastructure Defense Act, saying quote, last year we passed

1871
01:46:06,040 --> 01:46:09,960
Speaker 1: the Defense of Critical Infrastructure Act, which gives police enormous

1872
01:46:09,960 --> 01:46:13,680
Speaker 1: powers and various defines the penalties, including the power of imprisonment.

1873
01:46:14,240 --> 01:46:15,920
Speaker 1: We have made it clear to the RCMP, who is

1874
01:46:15,960 --> 01:46:19,360
Speaker 1: our provincial policing service, that they can and should use

1875
01:46:19,439 --> 01:46:22,519
Speaker 1: all of these powers. They're dealing with a very fluid situation,

1876
01:46:22,600 --> 01:46:25,960
Speaker 1: and I have respect for their judgment. Prime Minister Justin

1877
01:46:26,000 --> 01:46:29,719
Speaker 1: Trudeau addressed the ongoing blockades and protests across the country

1878
01:46:29,760 --> 01:46:34,160
Speaker 1: this past Friday, encouraging demonstrators to leave, while also passing

1879
01:46:34,160 --> 01:46:37,200
Speaker 1: the buck on any blame, saying quote, I want to

1880
01:46:37,240 --> 01:46:40,400
Speaker 1: remind everybody that politicians don't direct police departments to enforce

1881
01:46:40,439 --> 01:46:45,600
Speaker 1: the law. Instead, Trudeau made vague threats around revoking licenses

1882
01:46:45,640 --> 01:46:50,040
Speaker 1: and criminal records for those continuing to protest, saying everything

1883
01:46:50,080 --> 01:46:53,000
Speaker 1: is on the table because this unlawful blockade has to

1884
01:46:53,160 --> 01:46:57,360
Speaker 1: end and will end. The blockade at the Coots border

1885
01:46:57,400 --> 01:47:01,040
Speaker 1: crossing is not the only convoy aligned test in Alberta.

1886
01:47:01,479 --> 01:47:05,160
Speaker 1: There have been many demonstrations in basically every major city

1887
01:47:05,479 --> 01:47:09,439
Speaker 1: in Calgary, The Alberta Union of Provincial Employees says that

1888
01:47:09,560 --> 01:47:13,360
Speaker 1: frontline healthcare workers, patients and people living around the Sheldon

1889
01:47:13,439 --> 01:47:17,320
Speaker 1: Came Health Center have dealt with protests for weeks, but

1890
01:47:17,640 --> 01:47:20,320
Speaker 1: things have only gotten worse since the truck convoy hit

1891
01:47:20,400 --> 01:47:24,720
Speaker 1: the news. The vice president of the Alberta Union for

1892
01:47:24,760 --> 01:47:28,639
Speaker 1: Provincial Employees said that protesters have blocked the ambulance bain,

1893
01:47:28,720 --> 01:47:31,000
Speaker 1: they have harassed workers and patients as they come to

1894
01:47:31,280 --> 01:47:33,880
Speaker 1: and from the center. They've banged on the windows of

1895
01:47:33,920 --> 01:47:36,799
Speaker 1: the facility and upset people inside, and they have blocked

1896
01:47:36,800 --> 01:47:40,120
Speaker 1: the roads around the center. Moving on to the province

1897
01:47:40,120 --> 01:47:43,760
Speaker 1: of British Columbia. As the second weekend of protest was

1898
01:47:43,840 --> 01:47:47,000
Speaker 1: set to descend on Vancouver the weekend of February five.

1899
01:47:47,640 --> 01:47:50,559
Speaker 1: In preparation fearing attacks would be carried out against healthcare

1900
01:47:50,600 --> 01:47:53,439
Speaker 1: workers like they have in the past, Vancouver's to health

1901
01:47:53,520 --> 01:47:57,840
Speaker 1: authorities issued internal ms telling health workers to hide indoors

1902
01:47:57,880 --> 01:48:00,559
Speaker 1: as the convoy pass through the city and to quote

1903
01:48:00,800 --> 01:48:04,479
Speaker 1: refrain from wearing scrubs and or your ID badge outside

1904
01:48:04,520 --> 01:48:07,880
Speaker 1: the hospital during the demonstration. If you do encounter any protesters,

1905
01:48:07,880 --> 01:48:10,360
Speaker 1: please do not engage with them or respond to their questions,

1906
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Speaker 1: and please do not ask protesters to put on a

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Speaker 1: face mask. Similarly, ahead of a protest in Toronto, the

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01:48:17,479 --> 01:48:20,920
Speaker 1: Toronto Police sent letters to hospitals advising their workers to

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01:48:21,000 --> 01:48:24,000
Speaker 1: not wear any clothing or markings that identified them as

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Speaker 1: working in healthcare, fearing attacks by protesters. As the second

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01:48:28,880 --> 01:48:32,120
Speaker 1: wave of the convoy arrived during the second weekend of

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Speaker 1: the occupation in Ottawa, some of the on the ground

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Speaker 1: organizational structure started to morphin of vols. The police estimated

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Speaker 1: around this time that five thousand people were still protesting

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Speaker 1: in Ottawa and around one thousand vehicles were clogging the

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Speaker 1: streets during the second week of protests. In an effort

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Speaker 1: to improve optics, considering the four original organizers explicit connections

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Speaker 1: to the far right, a new lead, organizational, public relations,

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Speaker 1: and bargaining team was assembled for the group, calling themselves

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Speaker 1: the Freedom Convoy. The new pseudo leadership team consists of

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Speaker 1: Daniel Bulford, a former RCMP officer who was on the

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Speaker 1: Prime Minister's security detail. He quit last year after refusing

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Speaker 1: to get the vaccine and is now the convoy's head

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Speaker 1: of security. Tom Quicken, former military intelligence officer who also

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01:49:22,080 --> 01:49:24,360
Speaker 1: worked with the RCMP and was considered one of the

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Speaker 1: country's top counter terrorism experts. And Tom Marazo, an ex

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Speaker 1: military officer who, according to his linked in profile, served

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Speaker 1: in the Canadian Armed Forces for twenty years and ours

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Speaker 1: as a freelance software developer. And just side note in

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Speaker 1: terms of you know, police and former military participating in

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01:49:45,360 --> 01:49:49,320
Speaker 1: the protests, there was an organization full of retired police

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01:49:49,360 --> 01:49:52,240
Speaker 1: that endorsed the convoy a few weeks ago and said

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Speaker 1: that they have people on the ground there and just

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01:49:55,960 --> 01:49:59,400
Speaker 1: got announced as as I'm recording this, that two members

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Speaker 1: of Canada Military counter Terrorism Unit is under investigation for

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01:50:03,840 --> 01:50:08,559
Speaker 1: allegedly taking part in the Ottawa Convoy protests. So yeah,

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01:50:08,600 --> 01:50:12,559
Speaker 1: that's fun. The occupation has been getting more and more

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01:50:12,680 --> 01:50:15,639
Speaker 1: organized on the ground the past two weeks and has

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01:50:15,680 --> 01:50:18,040
Speaker 1: been able to keep one step ahead of any action

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01:50:18,120 --> 01:50:23,280
Speaker 1: taken against police against the occupation. Even just what the

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01:50:23,360 --> 01:50:26,960
Speaker 1: convoy participants have physically built is impressive. But less than

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01:50:27,000 --> 01:50:29,320
Speaker 1: a week after the convoy arrived, he started to see

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Speaker 1: Wooden structures being built around the roads and a growing

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Speaker 1: stockpile of propane and diesel fuel. There is an impressive

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01:50:36,320 --> 01:50:39,439
Speaker 1: amount of tents and wooden structures used for kitchens that

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01:50:39,520 --> 01:50:42,639
Speaker 1: local organizers have set up, and a whole supply chain

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01:50:42,680 --> 01:50:45,320
Speaker 1: has sprung up across the city to keep these people fed,

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Speaker 1: working and protesting. I'm now going to quote a good

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Speaker 1: article in the CBC by Judy Trent. Quote. The group

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Speaker 1: is set up not only near the Parliament in Ottawa,

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01:50:55,840 --> 01:50:58,800
Speaker 1: but they have also built two encampment areas where they

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01:50:58,840 --> 01:51:02,679
Speaker 1: carry out logistical and supply work. Recent reporting has painted

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01:51:02,680 --> 01:51:05,599
Speaker 1: a picture that these areas are far more organized than

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01:51:05,680 --> 01:51:09,040
Speaker 1: widely thought. The group is also trying out new tactics,

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01:51:09,120 --> 01:51:12,160
Speaker 1: such as attempting to clog up traffic at the Ottawa Airport.

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Speaker 1: Other tactics like swatting have been reported as well. Ottawa

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Speaker 1: Police say they're aware of a concerted effort to flood

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01:51:19,160 --> 01:51:23,559
Speaker 1: our one and non emergency police reporting lines, tweeting that

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01:51:23,960 --> 01:51:27,880
Speaker 1: this endangers lives and is completely unacceptable. Determined to not

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01:51:27,960 --> 01:51:31,759
Speaker 1: be outdone by their fellow protesters in the West. After

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01:51:31,800 --> 01:51:35,160
Speaker 1: the second wave arrived, the members of the Ottawa Convoy

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01:51:35,320 --> 01:51:39,120
Speaker 1: organized away for the convoy occupation to stay, but also

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01:51:39,240 --> 01:51:43,839
Speaker 1: put up a border crossing blockade of their own. Starting Sunday,

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Speaker 1: February six, scores of truckers blocked the Ambassador Bridge connecting Windsor, Ontario,

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Speaker 1: to Detroit, Michigan, disrupting the flow of auto parts and

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Speaker 1: other products between the two countries. While this protest has

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01:51:56,920 --> 01:52:00,280
Speaker 1: been conducted more by pickup trucks than big rigs has

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01:52:00,320 --> 01:52:03,720
Speaker 1: been holding up the lanes. The bridge is the busiest

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Speaker 1: US Canada border crossing and the key cog in both

1970
01:52:07,240 --> 01:52:10,479
Speaker 1: the US and Canadian economies, as it carries around twenty

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01:52:10,520 --> 01:52:14,160
Speaker 1: five percent of trade between the two countries. The effects

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01:52:14,200 --> 01:52:17,400
Speaker 1: of the blockade there were felt rapidly. The bridge regularly

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01:52:17,439 --> 01:52:21,160
Speaker 1: carries around three hundred sixty million dollars a day in

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Speaker 1: two way cargoes, but traffic is limited by its nineteen

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Speaker 1: nine physical footprint. There's just two lanes each way with

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01:52:29,120 --> 01:52:33,639
Speaker 1: no shoulders and antiquated customers boots, with the northern side

1977
01:52:33,680 --> 01:52:37,760
Speaker 1: just emptying out into the city streets. The bumper to

1978
01:52:37,800 --> 01:52:41,040
Speaker 1: bumper demonstration forced auto plants on both sides the border

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01:52:41,080 --> 01:52:44,479
Speaker 1: to shut down or scale back production. The halting of

1980
01:52:44,520 --> 01:52:48,240
Speaker 1: trade has bottlenecked automaker Ford's ability to get parts from

1981
01:52:48,240 --> 01:52:52,120
Speaker 1: the US to its Canadian plants in Windsor and Oaksville.

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01:52:52,760 --> 01:52:55,000
Speaker 1: Ford to shut down the doors of its Windsor plan

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01:52:55,080 --> 01:52:58,600
Speaker 1: and reduced the work schedule in Oakville. Ford set in

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01:52:58,600 --> 01:53:04,960
Speaker 1: a statement the eruption on the Detroit Windsor Bridge hurts customers, autoworkers, suppliers, communities,

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Speaker 1: and companies on both sides of the border. We hope

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01:53:07,560 --> 01:53:10,800
Speaker 1: the situation is resolved quickly because it could have widespread

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01:53:10,800 --> 01:53:15,360
Speaker 1: impact on all automakers in the US and Canada. Automaker

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01:53:15,479 --> 01:53:18,920
Speaker 1: Toyota said that it's three D plants in Ontario closed

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01:53:18,920 --> 01:53:21,560
Speaker 1: for the rest of the week because of parts shortages,

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01:53:21,800 --> 01:53:26,559
Speaker 1: and production has also been curtailed in Georgetown, Kentucky. More

1991
01:53:26,640 --> 01:53:29,559
Speaker 1: on the U s side of things, GM, Jeep, and

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01:53:29,720 --> 01:53:32,880
Speaker 1: Honda all had hours cut and assembly lines shut down

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01:53:32,920 --> 01:53:37,240
Speaker 1: at their factories across Michigan and Ohio. Michigan Governor Gretchen

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01:53:37,320 --> 01:53:40,719
Speaker 1: Whittemore urged Canadian authorities to quickly resolve the stand off,

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01:53:40,920 --> 01:53:44,480
Speaker 1: saying it's hitting paychecks and production lines and that is unacceptable.

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Speaker 1: The Federal Public Safety Minister has said that the Royal

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01:53:47,720 --> 01:53:51,559
Speaker 1: Canadian Mounted Police reinforcements are being sent to Windsor, Ottawa

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01:53:52,000 --> 01:53:55,320
Speaker 1: and to Coots, Alberta, where the other border blockade is happening.

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01:53:56,000 --> 01:54:00,639
Speaker 1: With political and economic pressure mounting, Windsor Mayor Rude Dilkins

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01:54:00,720 --> 01:54:03,320
Speaker 1: announced that the city would seek a court injunction to

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01:54:03,520 --> 01:54:07,040
Speaker 1: end the occupation, saying that the economic harm is just

2002
01:54:07,120 --> 01:54:11,040
Speaker 1: not sustainable and it must come to an end. On Thursday,

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Speaker 1: February tenth, the Biden administration urged Prime Minister Justin Trudeau's

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01:54:15,080 --> 01:54:18,200
Speaker 1: government on Thursday to use its federal powers to end

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01:54:18,240 --> 01:54:20,960
Speaker 1: the truck blockade at the other side of the Detroit border.

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01:54:21,600 --> 01:54:24,120
Speaker 1: Hundreds of millions of dollars worth of products have been

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01:54:24,120 --> 01:54:27,200
Speaker 1: held back for days as fifty to sixty vehicles and

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01:54:27,240 --> 01:54:30,680
Speaker 1: around a hundred anti mandate protesters camp out on the

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Speaker 1: main road that leads on and off the bridge. And yes,

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Speaker 1: it is ironic that the same people who are trying

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01:54:36,960 --> 01:54:40,040
Speaker 1: to sell Canadians fake stories about failing supply lines and

2012
01:54:40,120 --> 01:54:43,720
Speaker 1: empty shelves are now causing those supply lines to fail

2013
01:54:44,000 --> 01:54:46,440
Speaker 1: and causing those shelves to go empty. The irony is

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01:54:46,440 --> 01:54:48,720
Speaker 1: not lost on me, but it may be lost on

2015
01:54:48,720 --> 01:54:53,000
Speaker 1: the convoy participants throughout running these episodes, I was fortunate

2016
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Speaker 1: enough to get to talk to multiple people who have

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01:54:55,200 --> 01:54:58,680
Speaker 1: been on the ground in downtown Ottawa. One such of

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01:54:58,720 --> 01:55:02,280
Speaker 1: these people's is p dur Smith, an investigative journalist for

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Speaker 1: the Canadian Anti Hate Network. We recorded our conversation and

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01:55:06,320 --> 01:55:08,360
Speaker 1: I'm going to include some audio clips throughout the rest

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01:55:08,360 --> 01:55:11,440
Speaker 1: of the episode. We started off by discussing what made

2022
01:55:11,440 --> 01:55:14,640
Speaker 1: this protest movement pop off in this specific time and place.

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01:55:15,520 --> 01:55:18,480
Speaker 1: I do think it was maybe capitalizing on a moment,

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01:55:18,520 --> 01:55:21,600
Speaker 1: but also a fair amount of luck. You know, since

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01:55:21,680 --> 01:55:24,840
Speaker 1: two thousand nine, the same organizers have attempted to put

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01:55:24,880 --> 01:55:28,480
Speaker 1: together other convoys, you know, generally never rising to the

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Speaker 1: amount of attention that they had in two thousand nine. Um,

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Speaker 1: you know, this convoy was also planned long before they

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01:55:37,240 --> 01:55:42,040
Speaker 1: specifically started focusing on truckers, and then it was It

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01:55:42,080 --> 01:55:45,120
Speaker 1: was a galvanizing issue. It resonated with people who are

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01:55:45,120 --> 01:55:50,600
Speaker 1: frustrated with the Trudeau government, um and just they're they're

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01:55:50,640 --> 01:55:55,000
Speaker 1: handling of of health measures as well as just became

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01:55:55,040 --> 01:55:58,800
Speaker 1: a like a vehicle for expressing their general dissatisfaction with

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01:55:58,840 --> 01:56:02,000
Speaker 1: their own problemses Like most of our health mandates are provincial,

2035
01:56:02,120 --> 01:56:07,840
Speaker 1: like the Alberta government is handing down what's happening in Alberta. UM,

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01:56:08,040 --> 01:56:12,360
Speaker 1: so it's it's not just it's not just a federal issue,

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01:56:12,800 --> 01:56:15,760
Speaker 1: but coming down here and occupying the streets of Ottawa

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01:56:16,200 --> 01:56:21,839
Speaker 1: and that now we're seeing occupying most of our major cities. UM.

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01:56:21,880 --> 01:56:25,000
Speaker 1: You know, ones like Winnipeg gets significantly less attention, but

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01:56:25,040 --> 01:56:29,800
Speaker 1: are incredibly disruptive locally, um and in some cases more

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01:56:29,880 --> 01:56:32,040
Speaker 1: kind of inceniary than the one that we have out here,

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01:56:32,840 --> 01:56:35,960
Speaker 1: where you know, participants and organizers are desperately trying to

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01:56:36,680 --> 01:56:40,320
Speaker 1: clamp down on on any individuals who's engaging in harassment

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01:56:40,560 --> 01:56:44,120
Speaker 1: or yuh well, or is more common blaming it on

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01:56:44,200 --> 01:56:48,480
Speaker 1: liberal plants. Um. Yeah, it just it became this kind

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01:56:48,480 --> 01:56:52,960
Speaker 1: of expression of all of the frustration and very quickly

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01:56:53,080 --> 01:56:55,320
Speaker 1: drew attention even from people who've been dismissive of it

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01:56:55,400 --> 01:56:58,760
Speaker 1: very early on because of some of the organizers. Um.

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01:56:58,840 --> 01:57:01,920
Speaker 1: Once it really started to galvin it galvanized attention and

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01:57:01,960 --> 01:57:09,200
Speaker 1: of course money. Uh, people couldn't couldn't stay away. I

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01:57:09,200 --> 01:57:12,200
Speaker 1: mean to the point that we even have mainstream conservative

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01:57:12,200 --> 01:57:15,640
Speaker 1: politicians now getting on board with it, including the man

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01:57:15,720 --> 01:57:17,720
Speaker 1: who is very likely to be the future leader of

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01:57:17,760 --> 01:57:20,640
Speaker 1: the Conservative Party here. I mean, we're in a very

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01:57:20,720 --> 01:57:23,560
Speaker 1: unique moment um, you know, are our far right and

2056
01:57:23,640 --> 01:57:26,920
Speaker 1: kind of conspiracy culture in Canada has also been getting

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01:57:26,960 --> 01:57:30,280
Speaker 1: better at organizing over the course of the pandemic. Wants

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01:57:30,320 --> 01:57:33,680
Speaker 1: to get like all major cities have and many small

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01:57:33,720 --> 01:57:38,120
Speaker 1: towns continue to have anti mandate um anti lockdown protests.

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Speaker 1: We usually refer to them as the COVID conspiracy movement

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01:57:41,600 --> 01:57:44,280
Speaker 1: just because of how and heavily heavily informed it is

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01:57:44,760 --> 01:57:49,440
Speaker 1: by conspiratorial thinking. Um. So it's it's like you had

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01:57:49,440 --> 01:57:51,680
Speaker 1: a large amount of people kind of spending the past

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01:57:51,680 --> 01:57:54,440
Speaker 1: two years and like a on the ground boot camp

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01:57:55,160 --> 01:57:57,360
Speaker 1: of how to organize within these cities and how to

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01:57:57,400 --> 01:57:59,680
Speaker 1: get people's attention. And of course, like like a lot

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01:57:59,680 --> 01:58:02,360
Speaker 1: of the are right here, it fragmented, there was a

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01:58:02,360 --> 01:58:05,800
Speaker 1: lot of infighting, um and then you know, once there

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01:58:05,840 --> 01:58:08,760
Speaker 1: became a central point that was was galvanizing a lot

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01:58:08,800 --> 01:58:12,640
Speaker 1: of attention, it started receiving international attention. You know, There's

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01:58:12,640 --> 01:58:15,560
Speaker 1: been some questions about the source of some of the money,

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01:58:15,560 --> 01:58:21,600
Speaker 1: but certainly the initial totals seemed to be organically Canadian. Yeah. Um,

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01:58:21,600 --> 01:58:25,160
Speaker 1: it just became too big to fall apart. Essentially at

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01:58:25,240 --> 01:58:28,520
Speaker 1: least at this point. Um. There has been some spats

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01:58:28,520 --> 01:58:33,240
Speaker 1: of infighting, but mostly you know, the most polarizing figures

2076
01:58:33,280 --> 01:58:36,000
Speaker 1: are either just keeping their head down or in some

2077
01:58:36,040 --> 01:58:38,480
Speaker 1: cases even choosing to stay away from the main events

2078
01:58:39,120 --> 01:58:42,800
Speaker 1: so as not to be a distraction. Um. There's a

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01:58:42,800 --> 01:58:45,000
Speaker 1: lot One of the lines I see a lot is like,

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01:58:45,200 --> 01:58:48,880
Speaker 1: this is the moment, this is for all the marvels. Um.

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01:58:48,920 --> 01:58:52,000
Speaker 1: So there's a huge amount of importance being placed on that.

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01:58:53,200 --> 01:58:57,560
Speaker 1: What actually happens, like whether they're able to paint what

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01:58:57,600 --> 01:59:01,280
Speaker 1: we've the like the actual rolling back command adates that

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01:59:01,360 --> 01:59:04,720
Speaker 1: we were already starting to see before the convoy began,

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01:59:05,400 --> 01:59:08,960
Speaker 1: um as some type of victory for them, um or

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01:59:09,000 --> 01:59:11,800
Speaker 1: if this leads to further disillusionment. You know, we don't

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01:59:11,840 --> 01:59:14,760
Speaker 1: really know at this point, but I think this moment

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01:59:14,800 --> 01:59:18,400
Speaker 1: is going to be a propaganda tool, um and kind

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01:59:18,400 --> 01:59:22,520
Speaker 1: of a a point of I think it's gonna be

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01:59:22,520 --> 01:59:26,280
Speaker 1: a propaganda tool and uh like a point of motivation

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01:59:26,320 --> 01:59:29,360
Speaker 1: for a long time from your like both on the

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01:59:29,440 --> 01:59:32,920
Speaker 1: ground stuff and just from monitoring stuff online. What do

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01:59:32,960 --> 01:59:37,640
Speaker 1: you think, like the actual actionable intention was once they

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01:59:37,680 --> 01:59:40,240
Speaker 1: arrived in Ottawa, Like, do you think they had a

2095
01:59:40,280 --> 01:59:42,160
Speaker 1: clear plan of what to do, or was it more

2096
01:59:42,240 --> 01:59:49,000
Speaker 1: like let's go here and then we'll figure things out. Well,

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01:59:49,040 --> 01:59:51,840
Speaker 1: initially there there was a manium. Initially there was a

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01:59:51,840 --> 01:59:55,320
Speaker 1: memorandum of understanding which laid out kind of the points

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Speaker 1: of what the initial organizers were hoping to accomplish, something

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Speaker 1: they call the Operation may Or hug Um, which includes

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Speaker 1: having the Governor General and our Senate, both of whom

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Speaker 1: are unelected UH dissolved parliament and reform the government immediately

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Speaker 1: after we had a federal election. UM. Since then, the

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Speaker 1: message has evolved like they're trying to stay very very

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Speaker 1: like on script with this just being about freedom, um,

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Speaker 1: this just being about mandates. You know, initially there was

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Speaker 1: a lot of attempts to even get people to to

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Speaker 1: stop mentioning the vaccine, though those seemed to kind of

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Speaker 1: fallen by the wayside, especially when you start looking at

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Speaker 1: the speakers. It is interesting to kind of wonder what

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Speaker 1: the actual goal is there. They've started meeting with public officials,

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Speaker 1: you know, there is some type of negotiation going on. UM. Obstensively,

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Speaker 1: the goal is just to have these border restrictions lifted

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Speaker 1: on people on truckers who are unvaccinated return from the US.

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Speaker 1: You know, the obvious thing is the point out that

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Speaker 1: the US still has a very similar policy in reversinggain

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Speaker 1: here would have no impact um on their ability to

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Speaker 1: to avoid this quarantine. But um it seems like the

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Speaker 1: goals are fairly murky, and that's almost deliberate because then

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Speaker 1: they can declare victory kind of when it suits them.

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Speaker 1: Ambiguity around protest goals, demands, and purpose itself can be

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Speaker 1: a useful tactic. The Crime Think zine slash article titled

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Speaker 1: why we Don't make Demands makes such a case. I

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Speaker 1: don't have time to summarize it here, but I recommend

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Speaker 1: you give the article a look if you're interested in

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Speaker 1: this train of thought as an intentional tactic. But on

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Speaker 1: the flip side, you know, vague and direction lest protest

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02:01:45,040 --> 02:01:48,040
Speaker 1: without much of a focus on a specific goal can

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Speaker 1: also cause protests to peter out without having any lasting

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Speaker 1: impact on the world. A discussion worth having is how

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Speaker 1: the individual people that make up the convay participants have

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Speaker 1: been convinced to take part in an occupation protest and

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Speaker 1: how what is considered valid political action has broadened in

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Speaker 1: their own heads. If they're the ones doing the action,

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Speaker 1: of course, because from their point of view, since they

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Speaker 1: are doing it, the cause must be valid and therefore

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Speaker 1: the action is justified. In we have the wetsuin rail blockades, um,

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Speaker 1: that was put on by various members of our first nations,

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Speaker 1: and then people who supported them, you know, the same

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Speaker 1: politicians they're meeting with the truckers, embracing them, um, saying

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Speaker 1: that our current prime ministers demonizing them by kind of

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Speaker 1: casting them as under desirables. We're you know, we're actively

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Speaker 1: calling people sitting on train tracks as terrorists who are

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Speaker 1: disrupting our economy. Um. Obviously, in the context of the

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Speaker 1: pandemic pandemic, that's very different because there has been kind

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Speaker 1: of mass disruption too to our economy. But this kind

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Speaker 1: of picking and choosing, of of suiting the narrative to

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Speaker 1: court far eve voters seems to be popular. You know how,

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Speaker 1: Conservatives typically aren't seen as the protesting type. Right, Conservatives

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02:03:10,040 --> 02:03:11,920
Speaker 1: are supposed to be the type of people who drive

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Speaker 1: by the protest and yell get a job. They're not

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Speaker 1: the ones who are out in the streets picketing. But

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Speaker 1: first of all, that's not really true historically, in just

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Speaker 1: the past one years, there's always been conservative protests for

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Speaker 1: you know, regressive and reactionary goals. Also, conservatives have been

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02:03:29,560 --> 02:03:33,400
Speaker 1: much better at organizing off the street for their political policies,

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Speaker 1: specifically around like abortion or Christian dominionism, anti queer legislation,

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Speaker 1: or recent stuff around anti CRT and just the mainstream

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Speaker 1: racism denial that's been propagated through media. But even if

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Speaker 1: there is historical precedent for conservative protest, bridging the gap

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Speaker 1: of what is seen as valid political action in the

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02:03:55,480 --> 02:03:58,880
Speaker 1: minds of these convoy attendees did still take place over

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02:03:59,000 --> 02:04:02,520
Speaker 1: just the past few years years, just the past two years, specifically,

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02:04:02,560 --> 02:04:06,360
Speaker 1: there's been so much conservative protests around COVID. A whole

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Speaker 1: bunch of the people at the Ottawa protest probably five

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Speaker 1: years ago would have never seen themselves going to protest

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Speaker 1: in the Canadian capital, Right Like, if you told them

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Speaker 1: a few years ago that you're gonna drive all these

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Speaker 1: kilometers to the Parliament to camp out in the cold

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Speaker 1: for weeks to protest against the government and its rules

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Speaker 1: for helping not spread the deadliest pandemic in a century,

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Speaker 1: they would have probably laughed out of the room. So

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Speaker 1: what is the logical progression of conservative people who generally,

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Speaker 1: you know, look down on any type of protest, especially

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Speaker 1: occupy style protests, to the point where they are driving

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Speaker 1: all the way to the capital to camp outside the

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Speaker 1: building to honk Korn's day and night. A lot of

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Speaker 1: that political change the past few years correlates to the pandemic,

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Speaker 1: to the social isolation and the great opportunity for the

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02:04:52,840 --> 02:04:56,920
Speaker 1: fast spread of conspiratorial politics that it offered. Over the

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Speaker 1: course of the pandemic, there's been this huge blending of

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Speaker 1: rhetoric on line and especially in Canada, this kind of

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Speaker 1: villainization of the other side. Increasingly less and less criticism

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02:05:07,560 --> 02:05:11,160
Speaker 1: against the current government is less based on its policy

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02:05:11,520 --> 02:05:14,120
Speaker 1: and more based on its figurehead and the image of

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Speaker 1: Trudeau as a globalist politics as opposition to whatever Trudeaux

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Speaker 1: and the Liberals are doing. The result of that is

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Speaker 1: just a whole bunch of escalation, because you have to

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Speaker 1: keep always being antagonistic and always being contrarian no matter

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Speaker 1: what the opposition actually does. The thing is a lot

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Speaker 1: of people who used to just be kind of more

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Speaker 1: general conservatives, as they get radicalized online and get caught

2193
02:05:39,920 --> 02:05:42,800
Speaker 1: up with farther right extreme most elements, most of them

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Speaker 1: still view themselves as like the norm. They don't think

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Speaker 1: they've politically changed the past five years, but if you

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Speaker 1: look at their rhetoric and actions, they definitely have kind

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Speaker 1: of substantially, But they still view themselves the same way

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Speaker 1: they would when they were voting forced to even harper.

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Speaker 1: Unless you're a self described extremist, you typically view everything

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Speaker 1: that you do and say as normal and reasonable. Like you,

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Speaker 1: you are the actual normal. Everyone else is shifted either

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Speaker 1: way relative to you. During our talk, I asked investigative

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02:06:14,480 --> 02:06:18,360
Speaker 1: journalist Peter Smith on his opinions about what sorts of

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Speaker 1: political and social factors have allowed the occupation and blockades

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Speaker 1: to have enough numbers to last and continue on so long. Um.

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Speaker 1: Kind of having spent a lot of time on the

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Speaker 1: ground at the Ottawa convoy just talking to people as

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Speaker 1: like as a normal guy without my press hat on. Um,

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Speaker 1: it does seem like when there's a lot of owner

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Speaker 1: operators there, like when it comes to the trucks themselves. Um,

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02:06:43,600 --> 02:06:47,920
Speaker 1: these people are the business owners um or like very

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02:06:47,920 --> 02:06:51,720
Speaker 1: close like they're kind of independent contractors exactly. UM. I

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Speaker 1: think there was a report that came out showing a

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Speaker 1: survey that done that like roughly half of the people

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02:06:56,760 --> 02:07:03,200
Speaker 1: there were unemployed. UM. So like the financial promise of

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Speaker 1: all the money raised may have been a big drawlic

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Speaker 1: not to say that these people don't legitimately believe the

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Speaker 1: reasons absolutely, um, but it created an incentive. Um. But

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Speaker 1: then having roughly half of them, you know, still having jobs.

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Speaker 1: You know, it comes down to a little bit more

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Speaker 1: than just money. Like it's about actual belief, actual ideology. UM.

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Speaker 1: But it is interesting for a large amount of people

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Speaker 1: who are extremely worried about supply lines, about people having

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Speaker 1: enough food initially um to kind of creating this self

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02:07:35,080 --> 02:07:39,000
Speaker 1: fulfilling prophecy where where that seems to be the main

2226
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Speaker 1: tactic is just to grind as much to a halt

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Speaker 1: as they can, using as much as many people as

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Speaker 1: they can muster. And then just the kind of general

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Speaker 1: hands off approach that law enforcement is taking with them,

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Speaker 1: um has allowed them to organize better, to evolve their

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02:07:56,680 --> 02:07:59,840
Speaker 1: tactics to be more effective. UM. Like, I certainly don't

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Speaker 1: think a policing solution is is what's going to solve this,

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Speaker 1: and you know, there's a lot of calls for that,

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Speaker 1: which is I think just gonna result in a lot

2235
02:08:07,560 --> 02:08:12,920
Speaker 1: of people getting hurt in the street. Um. But but yeah,

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Speaker 1: like it is interesting that how it kind of it

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02:08:16,480 --> 02:08:19,640
Speaker 1: came from the West mostly and then landed in Ottawa

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02:08:19,680 --> 02:08:22,880
Speaker 1: and then kind of spread out from there once people

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Speaker 1: realized it was effective, once people realized, you know, there

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Speaker 1: was there was safety in these numbers. Um, it's it's drawn,

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Speaker 1: it's drawn so many people to it. It's it's honestly shocked.

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02:08:36,080 --> 02:08:38,960
Speaker 1: It's it has been shocking, truly how quickly it is

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02:08:39,000 --> 02:08:42,640
Speaker 1: spread and how effective it has been. It's not January

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Speaker 1: six in the sense that like people are running around

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Speaker 1: Parliament and like trying to find you know, every liberal politician,

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02:08:48,720 --> 02:08:50,720
Speaker 1: but in the sense that it's a large amount of

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02:08:50,720 --> 02:08:55,480
Speaker 1: people motivated by conspiracy. Yeah, that's where I view the parallel.

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02:08:55,800 --> 02:08:59,600
Speaker 1: And because they and honestly, the the actual sincerity of

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02:08:59,640 --> 02:09:03,280
Speaker 1: it poses more of a political threat than the animosity

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Speaker 1: of January six. Um, in terms of like long term

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02:09:07,160 --> 02:09:10,120
Speaker 1: like actual social change and using this type of like

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02:09:10,200 --> 02:09:13,320
Speaker 1: occupation as a tactic. The more sincere you are, the

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02:09:13,400 --> 02:09:15,280
Speaker 1: more of an actual political threat you can be in

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02:09:15,320 --> 02:09:17,320
Speaker 1: the long term, because yeah, if they start, if they

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Speaker 1: store in Parliament, then I'll get shut down in a

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02:09:19,400 --> 02:09:21,400
Speaker 1: day and then they will be demonized and then then

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02:09:21,400 --> 02:09:23,960
Speaker 1: the problem is over, um at least at least in

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02:09:23,960 --> 02:09:26,760
Speaker 1: the short term. Right. Um. But if you actually like

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02:09:26,920 --> 02:09:31,280
Speaker 1: do this sincerely and actually get people to buckle under pressure,

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02:09:31,560 --> 02:09:35,240
Speaker 1: then that's like actual successful politics. Like that is you're

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Speaker 1: you're actually doing politics objectively. Well, um, and that's more

2262
02:09:38,840 --> 02:09:43,400
Speaker 1: interesting to point out. The problem isn't protesting, Like protesting

2263
02:09:43,160 --> 02:09:46,520
Speaker 1: as a concept isn't the issue. The problem isn't even

2264
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Speaker 1: blockade Like, No, the problem is not blockades either. Yeah,

2265
02:09:49,720 --> 02:09:53,520
Speaker 1: all these things are just tactics, and tactics are value neutral. Um.

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Speaker 1: Usually you know, it's until you get take a genocide

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Speaker 1: when it's usually that's a kind of kind of kind

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02:09:59,480 --> 02:10:03,680
Speaker 1: of a downer generally. Um. But in generally I kind

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02:10:03,680 --> 02:10:06,680
Speaker 1: of you put protoce tactics as more value neutral. It's

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Speaker 1: about kind of what the underlying cultural motivation is and

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02:10:11,440 --> 02:10:15,400
Speaker 1: what they want the results to be. And even still

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Speaker 1: you know, some of the some of the points they

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02:10:17,320 --> 02:10:21,440
Speaker 1: have are not completely invalid um. But once it gets

2274
02:10:21,480 --> 02:10:24,160
Speaker 1: caught up in a cultural war kind of mindset, it's

2275
02:10:24,200 --> 02:10:26,240
Speaker 1: like you have to oppose it to just because they're

2276
02:10:26,240 --> 02:10:28,920
Speaker 1: on the other side. Um. So I kind of want

2277
02:10:28,920 --> 02:10:32,000
Speaker 1: to talk about like the reasons why they are actually

2278
02:10:32,520 --> 02:10:34,920
Speaker 1: kind of bad, like like for like on like a

2279
02:10:35,000 --> 02:10:38,320
Speaker 1: very sincere way, but then also kind of point out

2280
02:10:38,680 --> 02:10:40,400
Speaker 1: some things that are like yeah, maybe in the scene,

2281
02:10:40,440 --> 02:10:42,640
Speaker 1: these are things we should consider and it shouldn't take

2282
02:10:43,040 --> 02:10:45,760
Speaker 1: this type of occupation to have us reconsider some of

2283
02:10:45,760 --> 02:10:50,920
Speaker 1: these rules and regulations. Yeah, like completely, Like I think

2284
02:10:50,960 --> 02:10:55,840
Speaker 1: there's no issue with having being uncomfortable with mandates, um, like,

2285
02:10:55,880 --> 02:10:58,520
Speaker 1: even if you feel they're necessary, like being uncomfortable with

2286
02:10:58,560 --> 02:11:04,120
Speaker 1: the amount of state power that is being accumulated. Um.

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02:11:04,160 --> 02:11:07,320
Speaker 1: You know, in Canada, you know, there have been sweeping

2288
02:11:07,400 --> 02:11:09,320
Speaker 1: changes to the way that we live our life, Like

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02:11:09,480 --> 02:11:13,400
Speaker 1: I know that that's been universal. Um but there there

2290
02:11:13,480 --> 02:11:16,800
Speaker 1: is not a province that hasn't really suffered, like hasn't

2291
02:11:16,840 --> 02:11:21,440
Speaker 1: really impacted people's lives dealing with covid um. And you

2292
02:11:21,440 --> 02:11:23,760
Speaker 1: know this is this is one of the biggest issues

2293
02:11:23,760 --> 02:11:30,040
Speaker 1: when trying to point out disparate responses in policing. Um, Well,

2294
02:11:30,080 --> 02:11:32,560
Speaker 1: it's like, oh, it's like, so we should treat the

2295
02:11:32,640 --> 02:11:36,000
Speaker 1: convoy participants like they treated everybody else. And it's it's

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02:11:36,000 --> 02:11:41,720
Speaker 1: like no, like like you know, the the police chief

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02:11:41,880 --> 02:11:43,640
Speaker 1: of Ottawa got a lot of ship for saying he

2298
02:11:43,680 --> 02:11:46,520
Speaker 1: doesn't think there's a policing solution, and it's like, I

2299
02:11:46,880 --> 02:11:48,960
Speaker 1: do agree with the criticism of him because he has

2300
02:11:48,960 --> 02:11:52,400
Speaker 1: attempted to kick responsibility to just about every other level

2301
02:11:52,400 --> 02:11:57,960
Speaker 1: of government available. Um. But dragging people out, like towing

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02:11:57,960 --> 02:12:00,800
Speaker 1: their vehicles and taking away their livelihood and dragging a

2303
02:12:00,840 --> 02:12:02,600
Speaker 1: lot of people out into the street and then into

2304
02:12:02,680 --> 02:12:07,760
Speaker 1: jail is not gonna resolve these issues, no, um. And

2305
02:12:07,880 --> 02:12:11,040
Speaker 1: if anything, it could could bring more support. Like again,

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Speaker 1: there was another report today that I think it's of

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02:12:15,960 --> 02:12:20,200
Speaker 1: people who have camped out have children with them, Like,

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02:12:20,680 --> 02:12:23,000
Speaker 1: you know, this is gonna be an incredibly traumatic experience.

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02:12:23,000 --> 02:12:25,440
Speaker 1: It's gonna help radicalize more people, and it's gonna lend

2310
02:12:25,880 --> 02:12:28,280
Speaker 1: credence to their cause if they just go in and

2311
02:12:28,320 --> 02:12:31,480
Speaker 1: bust heads. And it's like if the main focus of

2312
02:12:31,520 --> 02:12:34,360
Speaker 1: this convoy had been in Toronto, where we have an

2313
02:12:34,360 --> 02:12:37,200
Speaker 1: incredibly aggressive police force when it comes to like homeless

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02:12:37,240 --> 02:12:41,200
Speaker 1: encampments for instance, Um, you know, I think the result

2315
02:12:41,280 --> 02:12:49,160
Speaker 1: could have been very different. Yeah. And then because a

2316
02:12:49,160 --> 02:12:51,320
Speaker 1: lot of stuff around the question of governments and stuff. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: It's it's the type of things I can agree with with,

2318
02:12:53,800 --> 02:12:57,800
Speaker 1: Like right wing libertarians is Yeah, you do have a

2319
02:12:57,840 --> 02:13:01,280
Speaker 1: lot of points I can simple hazed with around the

2320
02:13:01,360 --> 02:13:05,080
Speaker 1: state and around control, but the way you address them

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02:13:05,120 --> 02:13:08,400
Speaker 1: don't actually address the underlying power structures which give the

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02:13:08,480 --> 02:13:13,560
Speaker 1: state legitimacy in the first place. Yeah. Absolutely, And the

2323
02:13:13,600 --> 02:13:15,320
Speaker 1: world that you kind of want in the end is

2324
02:13:15,360 --> 02:13:18,880
Speaker 1: still a world full of hierarchies, just hierarchies that make

2325
02:13:18,960 --> 02:13:22,080
Speaker 1: your life easier, sw and skew and your favor just

2326
02:13:22,160 --> 02:13:26,040
Speaker 1: like asking for two unelected bodies to reoplate replace your

2327
02:13:26,520 --> 02:13:30,800
Speaker 1: democratically elected government. It's like we had ten years of

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Speaker 1: Stephen Harper, like um, people were unhappy and extremely critical

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02:13:35,760 --> 02:13:37,960
Speaker 1: of that government from the center and from the left,

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02:13:38,000 --> 02:13:41,839
Speaker 1: but you know, there wasn't this kind of broad support

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02:13:41,920 --> 02:13:45,240
Speaker 1: for the idea that that government was illegitimate, which is

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02:13:45,280 --> 02:13:48,120
Speaker 1: I think what we see mostly today, which is the

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02:13:48,240 --> 02:13:51,440
Speaker 1: most disturbing and kind of anti democratic part of the

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02:13:51,480 --> 02:13:53,640
Speaker 1: whole pot. Yeah, and that's the kind of what the

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02:13:53,720 --> 02:13:55,120
Speaker 1: last thing I want to talk about is, like, what

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02:13:55,200 --> 02:13:59,120
Speaker 1: do you see Like eventually people will go home, either

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02:13:59,440 --> 02:14:03,400
Speaker 1: out of exhaustion, it'll maybe fizzle away, like like the

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02:14:03,400 --> 02:14:07,520
Speaker 1: protests in Portland did. Maybe they'll eventually police will kind

2339
02:14:07,560 --> 02:14:10,200
Speaker 1: of clear out small sections of like who who knows,

2340
02:14:10,200 --> 02:14:14,680
Speaker 1: but like this is not going knock ye one here,

2341
02:14:14,760 --> 02:14:17,120
Speaker 1: but this this isn't gonna last like a year, right,

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02:14:17,280 --> 02:14:19,280
Speaker 1: It's not. It's not gonna like they're I don't think

2343
02:14:19,480 --> 02:14:21,760
Speaker 1: they're gonna have thousands of people camp out in front

2344
02:14:21,800 --> 02:14:25,480
Speaker 1: of the government forever. Um. So what but what are

2345
02:14:25,480 --> 02:14:28,640
Speaker 1: the actual loum term political ramifications of this, Because we

2346
02:14:28,640 --> 02:14:31,879
Speaker 1: already saw the leader of the Conservative Party step down, um,

2347
02:14:32,000 --> 02:14:34,240
Speaker 1: So like I want to talk about, like specifically with

2348
02:14:34,280 --> 02:14:37,080
Speaker 1: the guy who's probably more most likely to take his place,

2349
02:14:37,360 --> 02:14:39,880
Speaker 1: how this just does kind of play into the more

2350
02:14:39,920 --> 02:14:42,720
Speaker 1: negative aspects of the convoy, is like how they're going

2351
02:14:42,760 --> 02:14:45,320
Speaker 1: to use this as a political symbol and a political

2352
02:14:45,360 --> 02:14:49,440
Speaker 1: tool to push for policies and forms the government and

2353
02:14:49,520 --> 02:14:52,880
Speaker 1: actions that will end up hurting a lot of um

2354
02:14:53,160 --> 02:14:55,720
Speaker 1: and well up hurting a lot of people, um in

2355
02:14:55,840 --> 02:14:57,320
Speaker 1: terms of you know, how how it's going to be

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02:14:57,400 --> 02:15:00,680
Speaker 1: used in propaganda and rhetoric. Yeah, Well, certainly if we

2357
02:15:00,800 --> 02:15:05,880
Speaker 1: have um, you know, strong legal ramifications put in place

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02:15:06,160 --> 02:15:10,640
Speaker 1: that make it easier for provinces, the federal government whatever

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02:15:10,720 --> 02:15:15,600
Speaker 1: to crackdown on on protests in general, which I think

2360
02:15:15,680 --> 02:15:19,600
Speaker 1: is something that might be very attractive to our carent government. Um,

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02:15:19,720 --> 02:15:22,959
Speaker 1: you know that's going to have obviously very far reaching effects.

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02:15:23,000 --> 02:15:26,880
Speaker 1: You know, one of our opposition parties, which is you know,

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02:15:27,040 --> 02:15:29,600
Speaker 1: generally further to the left then than the Liberals, the

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02:15:29,680 --> 02:15:33,280
Speaker 1: n DP, UM, their leader was proposing ways to stop

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02:15:34,000 --> 02:15:38,600
Speaker 1: foreign funding from coming in to supplied to the protests. Um.

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02:15:38,640 --> 02:15:41,480
Speaker 1: You know, once again, we we had protests a couple

2367
02:15:41,520 --> 02:15:44,880
Speaker 1: of years ago by indigenous people and people who support

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02:15:45,240 --> 02:15:50,480
Speaker 1: indigenous movements. Um. You know that that raised money using

2369
02:15:50,520 --> 02:15:53,960
Speaker 1: the same platforms and the same methods. You know, So

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02:15:54,120 --> 02:15:56,760
Speaker 1: I worry about like one of the legal ramifications like

2371
02:15:58,240 --> 02:16:00,760
Speaker 1: to just this this idea, like if the government does

2372
02:16:00,800 --> 02:16:03,480
Speaker 1: crack down very hard, this idea of real grievance and

2373
02:16:03,560 --> 02:16:06,000
Speaker 1: alienation that the West has already been struggling with. Like

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02:16:06,040 --> 02:16:10,320
Speaker 1: we've had a real renewed separatist movement, not from Quebec

2375
02:16:10,440 --> 02:16:13,160
Speaker 1: um where it's generally been the most successful, but from

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02:16:13,320 --> 02:16:17,880
Speaker 1: the Western provinces, you know, not not really getting close

2377
02:16:17,920 --> 02:16:21,600
Speaker 1: to obtaining any real political power, but you know, kind

2378
02:16:21,600 --> 02:16:25,120
Speaker 1: of steadily gaining support, pulling a showing that you know,

2379
02:16:25,800 --> 02:16:28,920
Speaker 1: there is a real feeling of Western alienation that they

2380
02:16:28,960 --> 02:16:31,200
Speaker 1: don't feel represented and you know, a lot of the

2381
02:16:31,200 --> 02:16:38,000
Speaker 1: ways our government are set up actually makes that true. Um. Yeah. Ultimately,

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02:16:38,000 --> 02:16:42,280
Speaker 1: as people I think become more and more disenfranchised, UM,

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02:16:42,360 --> 02:16:48,520
Speaker 1: when government action begins to kind of justify imagined ideas

2384
02:16:48,520 --> 02:16:52,440
Speaker 1: of oppression, UM, you're gonna have a real hardening. And

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02:16:52,520 --> 02:16:55,959
Speaker 1: since the government in power is a progressive one is

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02:16:56,800 --> 02:16:59,760
Speaker 1: or at least one that espouses you know, tries tries

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02:16:59,800 --> 02:17:03,119
Speaker 1: to each for progressive values, you know, there's a good

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02:17:03,200 --> 02:17:05,480
Speaker 1: chance that those issues are gonna get caught up with

2389
02:17:06,200 --> 02:17:10,000
Speaker 1: what is just like a quote unquote leftist agenda, Whereas

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02:17:10,080 --> 02:17:13,560
Speaker 1: up until probably a decade ago, those things were very

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02:17:13,640 --> 02:17:17,040
Speaker 1: much seen as kind of inherent Canadian values that were

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02:17:17,080 --> 02:17:22,359
Speaker 1: embraced by both sides. UM. The current candidate for leadership,

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02:17:22,360 --> 02:17:25,359
Speaker 1: he hasn't been he hasn't won the seat in the

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02:17:25,360 --> 02:17:28,520
Speaker 1: the Conservative Party yet. But Pierre Pouliver has kind of

2395
02:17:28,560 --> 02:17:33,720
Speaker 1: always flirted to some degree with UM far right talking

2396
02:17:33,760 --> 02:17:37,039
Speaker 1: points like I don't I I specialize in hey groups,

2397
02:17:37,080 --> 02:17:41,040
Speaker 1: I don't want to make too many pronouncements about mainstream conservatism. Um.

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02:17:41,120 --> 02:17:43,800
Speaker 1: But even by kind of members of the very far

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02:17:43,920 --> 02:17:46,840
Speaker 1: right who often have turned against the Conservative Party over

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02:17:46,879 --> 02:17:49,600
Speaker 1: the course of the pandemic. He's often referred to as

2401
02:17:49,600 --> 02:17:54,439
Speaker 1: the adult in the room. Um, and while still a politician,

2402
02:17:55,240 --> 02:17:58,199
Speaker 1: kind of their best bet for getting someone in office

2403
02:17:58,200 --> 02:18:01,320
Speaker 1: that they would actually like to see in power. Um,

2404
02:18:01,360 --> 02:18:03,600
Speaker 1: which could I mean could be interesting to see how

2405
02:18:03,640 --> 02:18:07,840
Speaker 1: they if they will be continued support for the PPC

2406
02:18:08,000 --> 02:18:12,640
Speaker 1: and two to four years. Um. But yeah, I just

2407
02:18:12,680 --> 02:18:15,640
Speaker 1: think there there is a real hardening of the right.

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02:18:15,680 --> 02:18:19,320
Speaker 1: And it's not like the Overton window is shifting. It's

2409
02:18:19,320 --> 02:18:22,080
Speaker 1: just like it's getting wider, like more and more is

2410
02:18:22,120 --> 02:18:25,040
Speaker 1: being incorporated as opposed to be just going in one

2411
02:18:25,040 --> 02:18:29,879
Speaker 1: direction or another. That disenfranchisement is a driving factor. Like

2412
02:18:29,920 --> 02:18:33,560
Speaker 1: they view this populist kind of uprising or up swelling

2413
02:18:34,680 --> 02:18:38,320
Speaker 1: um that they're seeing now as a function of democracy

2414
02:18:38,400 --> 02:18:41,560
Speaker 1: or like part of how democracy is supposed to function.

2415
02:18:42,280 --> 02:18:44,200
Speaker 1: So again, like if if you talk to them, they

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02:18:44,240 --> 02:18:47,199
Speaker 1: will quite earnestly say many of them anyway, we'll quite

2417
02:18:47,200 --> 02:18:49,480
Speaker 1: earnestly say it like this is about freedom, is about

2418
02:18:49,480 --> 02:18:53,640
Speaker 1: having my voice heard. Yeah, but without a lot of

2419
02:18:54,320 --> 02:18:59,240
Speaker 1: thought about how that will actually functioned in a broader scale.

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02:19:00,000 --> 02:19:02,280
Speaker 1: I mean that just plays into like alienation as like

2421
02:19:02,320 --> 02:19:05,920
Speaker 1: a general concept, right, Like we're so disconnected from everything

2422
02:19:05,959 --> 02:19:09,000
Speaker 1: about our lives, disconnected from you know, the way we work,

2423
02:19:09,800 --> 02:19:13,039
Speaker 1: disconnected from our interactions with other people, between disconnected from

2424
02:19:13,080 --> 02:19:15,560
Speaker 1: like you know, money or food, you know, it's all

2425
02:19:15,560 --> 02:19:18,280
Speaker 1: the stuff, and like disconnected from politics. Is that the

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02:19:18,320 --> 02:19:21,120
Speaker 1: only way that you can actually something that feels real,

2427
02:19:21,560 --> 02:19:24,119
Speaker 1: the only thing that actually feels like reality, is going

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02:19:24,160 --> 02:19:26,440
Speaker 1: to do this thing in person because everything else is

2429
02:19:26,520 --> 02:19:30,800
Speaker 1: so disjointed. Um it's there is so much of that

2430
02:19:30,959 --> 02:19:35,840
Speaker 1: space in between the phenomenon and the actual thing that is.

2431
02:19:36,200 --> 02:19:38,560
Speaker 1: It leaves you wanting something which you don't know quite what.

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02:19:38,879 --> 02:19:40,640
Speaker 1: So yeah, you're going to drive to Ottawa because that

2433
02:19:40,640 --> 02:19:43,200
Speaker 1: feels so much more real. That feels like actual politics,

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02:19:43,320 --> 02:19:45,760
Speaker 1: and the kind of it is like that's like, that's

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02:19:45,879 --> 02:19:48,040
Speaker 1: that's that's always when it feels like when you're when

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02:19:48,080 --> 02:19:50,240
Speaker 1: you're like when you're when you're protesting, it's like, yeah,

2437
02:19:50,240 --> 02:19:54,280
Speaker 1: I'm actually doing politics now, because that's how everything gets

2438
02:19:54,280 --> 02:19:56,560
Speaker 1: set up is by that type of like you know,

2439
02:19:56,840 --> 02:19:59,879
Speaker 1: getting people on the ground, and it's such a more

2440
02:20:00,000 --> 02:20:03,240
Speaker 1: personal way to engage than you know, putting a no

2441
02:20:03,520 --> 02:20:06,320
Speaker 1: into a box every two to four years. Like yeah,

2442
02:20:06,360 --> 02:20:10,000
Speaker 1: I I imagine it does feel substantive. And then I mean,

2443
02:20:10,080 --> 02:20:13,039
Speaker 1: voting power is centered in our urban centers as well,

2444
02:20:13,160 --> 02:20:16,400
Speaker 1: so there is there is a real disconnect with the

2445
02:20:16,480 --> 02:20:21,959
Speaker 1: representation that that rural people again Western the Western provinces received.

2446
02:20:23,160 --> 02:20:26,520
Speaker 1: I now want to specifically talk about police response and

2447
02:20:26,560 --> 02:20:29,879
Speaker 1: the way needs this occupation and blockades being handled will

2448
02:20:29,920 --> 02:20:34,040
Speaker 1: affect the political organizing in the future. I think initially

2449
02:20:34,120 --> 02:20:36,920
Speaker 1: the majority of police concerns and what they were actually

2450
02:20:36,920 --> 02:20:40,960
Speaker 1: focused on responding to was fears around the convoy storming

2451
02:20:41,040 --> 02:20:44,000
Speaker 1: Parliament or if the convoys were going to do something

2452
02:20:44,040 --> 02:20:48,400
Speaker 1: exceedingly violent, which I don't think was necessarily the convoys

2453
02:20:48,440 --> 02:20:51,680
Speaker 1: actionable objective from the beginning, if you listen to what

2454
02:20:51,720 --> 02:20:54,320
Speaker 1: they were actually saying, it will it was more about

2455
02:20:54,440 --> 02:20:57,440
Speaker 1: choking out the city and applying pressure on government officials.

2456
02:20:58,080 --> 02:21:00,600
Speaker 1: But the initial non violence, coupled with the shield of

2457
02:21:00,640 --> 02:21:03,560
Speaker 1: being conservative, white and middle class whom you know the

2458
02:21:03,560 --> 02:21:06,680
Speaker 1: police are less likely to react as brutally to allowed

2459
02:21:06,680 --> 02:21:09,600
Speaker 1: time for the infrastructure to rise that let the protest

2460
02:21:09,720 --> 02:21:13,080
Speaker 1: turn into a full scale occupation of a North American city.

2461
02:21:14,080 --> 02:21:17,680
Speaker 1: The first real action police took against the occupation was

2462
02:21:17,800 --> 02:21:22,560
Speaker 1: on the evening of Sunday, February six, Demonstrators were gathering

2463
02:21:22,600 --> 02:21:25,520
Speaker 1: for dinner than dozens of officers and riot gear carrying

2464
02:21:25,600 --> 02:21:29,760
Speaker 1: munitions launchers raided a camp after footage of stockpiles and

2465
02:21:29,800 --> 02:21:33,680
Speaker 1: gas cans went viral days previous, in an attempt to

2466
02:21:33,760 --> 02:21:36,920
Speaker 1: cut the supply route. Police say they seized around three

2467
02:21:36,959 --> 02:21:41,240
Speaker 1: thousand and seven liters of fuel and two vehicles, including

2468
02:21:41,280 --> 02:21:45,160
Speaker 1: a diesel tank, but within hours of the raid, protesters

2469
02:21:45,160 --> 02:21:48,680
Speaker 1: from the camp broadcast reassurance to their supporters and continue

2470
02:21:48,720 --> 02:21:53,120
Speaker 1: to organize just goodalizing smarter tactics. The day after the

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02:21:53,160 --> 02:21:57,560
Speaker 1: police raid, protesters continued to deliver fuel to downtown truckers

2472
02:21:57,600 --> 02:22:01,120
Speaker 1: as they executed a coordinated effort to exhaust police resources.

2473
02:22:01,760 --> 02:22:05,200
Speaker 1: Hundreds of demonstrators carried fuel cans, some empty, some not,

2474
02:22:05,680 --> 02:22:09,720
Speaker 1: just right past officers, who mostly stood watched as hundreds

2475
02:22:09,760 --> 02:22:13,200
Speaker 1: of people trolled them with decoy cans, while others smuggled

2476
02:22:13,200 --> 02:22:16,320
Speaker 1: in more fuel within the safety of the large crowd

2477
02:22:16,680 --> 02:22:19,600
Speaker 1: right in the middle of the day. Ottawa Police Deputy

2478
02:22:19,680 --> 02:22:23,720
Speaker 1: Chief Steve Bell said the demonstrators were filling cast cans

2479
02:22:23,800 --> 02:22:27,879
Speaker 1: with water to distract officers attempting to subvert their efforts,

2480
02:22:27,920 --> 02:22:30,400
Speaker 1: and that one officer was swarmed by the crowd while

2481
02:22:30,480 --> 02:22:34,400
Speaker 1: trying to confiscate fuel. To date, police have made around

2482
02:22:34,440 --> 02:22:38,040
Speaker 1: thirty arrests and issued thousands of tickets, launched more than

2483
02:22:38,080 --> 02:22:42,240
Speaker 1: eighty criminal investigations, and four hundred plus hate incidents are

2484
02:22:42,280 --> 02:22:46,520
Speaker 1: also being investigated. Earlier this week, Peter slowly said that

2485
02:22:46,560 --> 02:22:48,800
Speaker 1: the force would turn up the heat as the police

2486
02:22:48,840 --> 02:22:52,040
Speaker 1: started to crack down on anyone bringing material aid such

2487
02:22:52,040 --> 02:22:56,160
Speaker 1: as fuel too protesters. Police dismantled a protest camp near

2488
02:22:56,280 --> 02:22:59,920
Speaker 1: the Readieu Canal downtown and a fuel operation on the

2489
02:23:00,080 --> 02:23:03,520
Speaker 1: Coventry Road east of the Core, but some trucks and

2490
02:23:03,560 --> 02:23:08,560
Speaker 1: demonstrators continued to occupy downtown streets and the staging area

2491
02:23:08,760 --> 02:23:13,080
Speaker 1: on Coventry. Police say that they need an additional eighteen

2492
02:23:13,160 --> 02:23:17,560
Speaker 1: hundred more reinforcements from federal and provincial governments to help

2493
02:23:17,760 --> 02:23:21,640
Speaker 1: end the crisis. The entire Ottawa Police force numbers only

2494
02:23:21,680 --> 02:23:24,960
Speaker 1: twelve hundred, but it's been supplemented with several hundred officers

2495
02:23:25,160 --> 02:23:29,000
Speaker 1: from the Ontario Provisional Police and the Royal Canadian Mounted Police,

2496
02:23:29,280 --> 02:23:32,879
Speaker 1: as well as local police forces elsewhere in Ontario over

2497
02:23:32,879 --> 02:23:36,360
Speaker 1: the past few weeks. Near the end of the second

2498
02:23:36,400 --> 02:23:40,480
Speaker 1: week of occupation, dug Ford, the Premier of Ontario declared

2499
02:23:40,520 --> 02:23:43,920
Speaker 1: a state of emergency for the entire province, warning protesters

2500
02:23:43,959 --> 02:23:46,840
Speaker 1: demanding an end to pandemic restrictions that if they do

2501
02:23:46,920 --> 02:23:50,439
Speaker 1: not disband, there will be consequences and they will be severe.

2502
02:23:51,120 --> 02:23:53,520
Speaker 1: He said that those who continue to impede the movement

2503
02:23:53,520 --> 02:23:55,840
Speaker 1: of people and goods could face fines and up to

2504
02:23:55,840 --> 02:23:59,120
Speaker 1: one hundred thousand Canadian dollars, up to a year in prison,

2505
02:23:59,400 --> 02:24:03,560
Speaker 1: and the vocation of their driver's license. During the cold

2506
02:24:03,640 --> 02:24:08,280
Speaker 1: morning of Sunday, February, police largely cleared the portion of

2507
02:24:08,320 --> 02:24:11,920
Speaker 1: the self styled freedom of Convoy blocking the Ambassador Bridge

2508
02:24:12,040 --> 02:24:16,080
Speaker 1: US Canada border crossing on the road between Windsor, Ontario,

2509
02:24:16,200 --> 02:24:20,039
Speaker 1: and Detroit. The clearing marked a week since the border

2510
02:24:20,040 --> 02:24:24,760
Speaker 1: blockade had begun. Police made several arrests and towed vehicles

2511
02:24:24,760 --> 02:24:27,840
Speaker 1: in connection to the demonstration that had disrupted traffic and

2512
02:24:27,879 --> 02:24:31,119
Speaker 1: the flow of goods. After law enforcement enforced the injunction

2513
02:24:31,240 --> 02:24:34,440
Speaker 1: enacted two days prior, ordering truckers and our supporters to leave,

2514
02:24:34,800 --> 02:24:37,960
Speaker 1: and ticketed and towed vehicles. A defined core of some

2515
02:24:38,000 --> 02:24:42,040
Speaker 1: two dozen protesters had remained on foot as temperatures dropped

2516
02:24:42,080 --> 02:24:45,760
Speaker 1: below freezing, but around nine thirty local time, police had

2517
02:24:45,760 --> 02:24:48,680
Speaker 1: mostly cleared the street to the bridge and were deployed

2518
02:24:48,680 --> 02:24:52,480
Speaker 1: around the area. It was unclear, however, how large police

2519
02:24:52,480 --> 02:24:57,400
Speaker 1: presidents would remain to prevent vehicles and demonstrators from returning there. Meanwhile,

2520
02:24:57,440 --> 02:24:59,840
Speaker 1: in the capital of Ottawa, police grappled with an in

2521
02:25:00,000 --> 02:25:03,480
Speaker 1: flux of anti government and anti vaccine mandate demonstrators for

2522
02:25:03,520 --> 02:25:07,760
Speaker 1: a third straight weekend. Despite both local and provincial officials

2523
02:25:07,760 --> 02:25:11,920
Speaker 1: declaring states of emergency, law enforcement appeared to be unsuccessful

2524
02:25:11,959 --> 02:25:15,039
Speaker 1: in attempts to get the Freedom Convoy protesters to leave

2525
02:25:15,480 --> 02:25:18,600
Speaker 1: by threatening them with fines, prison time, and loss of

2526
02:25:18,640 --> 02:25:21,760
Speaker 1: their licenses. Police have not made any large effort to

2527
02:25:21,800 --> 02:25:24,400
Speaker 1: asrupt to the convoys in Ottawa, similar to what they

2528
02:25:24,440 --> 02:25:28,960
Speaker 1: did on Sunday in Windsor, Ontario. Otto Police say that

2529
02:25:29,080 --> 02:25:33,840
Speaker 1: over four thousand demonstrators were in this city throughout the day. However,

2530
02:25:34,000 --> 02:25:38,080
Speaker 1: on Monday, February fourteenth, police action was taken against the

2531
02:25:38,080 --> 02:25:41,120
Speaker 1: blockade at the Coots border crossing that had shut down

2532
02:25:41,200 --> 02:25:45,160
Speaker 1: cross border travel for almost three weeks. The RCNP said

2533
02:25:45,160 --> 02:25:47,400
Speaker 1: in a press release early Monday morning that they became

2534
02:25:47,440 --> 02:25:50,320
Speaker 1: aware of a small organized group within the larger protest

2535
02:25:50,360 --> 02:25:54,040
Speaker 1: at Coots, which led to eleven arrests. They say that

2536
02:25:54,080 --> 02:25:56,520
Speaker 1: they had information that the group had access to a

2537
02:25:56,600 --> 02:26:00,560
Speaker 1: cash of firearms and ammunition in three trailers. During the raid,

2538
02:26:00,600 --> 02:26:04,520
Speaker 1: officers seized long guns, handguns, multiple sets of body armor,

2539
02:26:04,720 --> 02:26:08,400
Speaker 1: a machete, and a large commantity of ammunition and some

2540
02:26:08,480 --> 02:26:12,840
Speaker 1: high capacity magazines. Later that day, to other arrests were

2541
02:26:12,879 --> 02:26:16,800
Speaker 1: made in connection to the blockade. Following the police raid

2542
02:26:16,879 --> 02:26:20,120
Speaker 1: and the thirteen arrests, some other organizers of the protest

2543
02:26:20,240 --> 02:26:23,680
Speaker 1: said a decision was reached voluntarily to leave the Coots area.

2544
02:26:23,879 --> 02:26:28,000
Speaker 1: Around Tuesday morning. The organizers made a statement saying, quote,

2545
02:26:28,320 --> 02:26:31,879
Speaker 1: we were infiltrated by an extreme element. Our objective was

2546
02:26:31,920 --> 02:26:34,600
Speaker 1: to be here peacefully to keep that message going. We

2547
02:26:34,640 --> 02:26:37,920
Speaker 1: wanted to peacefully leave Coots and return to our families.

2548
02:26:39,000 --> 02:26:43,480
Speaker 1: As of Tuesday, both the border crossing at the Ambassador

2549
02:26:43,480 --> 02:26:46,120
Speaker 1: Bridge to Detroit and the Coot Sport of entry to

2550
02:26:46,200 --> 02:26:50,000
Speaker 1: Montana are open once again. As the border opened back

2551
02:26:50,080 --> 02:26:54,640
Speaker 1: up in Coots the previous blockade, protesters and police embraced

2552
02:26:54,680 --> 02:26:59,879
Speaker 1: each other with hugs and handshakes. Meanwhile, on Monday, prim

2553
02:27:00,000 --> 02:27:03,240
Speaker 1: As Our Justin Trudeau invoked the Emergencies Act for the

2554
02:27:03,280 --> 02:27:06,640
Speaker 1: first time in Canadian history to give the federal government

2555
02:27:06,840 --> 02:27:11,039
Speaker 1: and police extra powers to handle the ongoing blockades and

2556
02:27:11,160 --> 02:27:15,720
Speaker 1: protests against pandemic restrictions. Here's how the measures were taking

2557
02:27:15,760 --> 02:27:20,640
Speaker 1: today will help get the situation under control. The police

2558
02:27:20,640 --> 02:27:24,520
Speaker 1: will be given more tools to restore order in places

2559
02:27:24,520 --> 02:27:29,520
Speaker 1: where public assemblies can constitute illegal and dangerous activities, such

2560
02:27:29,600 --> 02:27:33,879
Speaker 1: as blockades and occupations as seen in Ottawa, the Ambassador

2561
02:27:33,920 --> 02:27:39,760
Speaker 1: Bridge and elsewhere. These tools include strengthening their ability to

2562
02:27:39,800 --> 02:27:46,640
Speaker 1: impose fines or imprisonment. The government will designate secure and

2563
02:27:46,760 --> 02:27:51,120
Speaker 1: protect places and infrastructure that are critical to our economy

2564
02:27:51,440 --> 02:27:57,560
Speaker 1: and people's jobs, including border crossings and airports. We cannot

2565
02:27:58,040 --> 02:28:03,720
Speaker 1: and will not allow illegal and dangerous activities to continue.

2566
02:28:05,000 --> 02:28:08,560
Speaker 1: The Emergencies Act will also allow the government to make

2567
02:28:08,600 --> 02:28:12,480
Speaker 1: sure essential services are rendered, for example, in order to

2568
02:28:12,480 --> 02:28:19,360
Speaker 1: tow vehicles blocking roads. In addition, financial institutions will be

2569
02:28:19,480 --> 02:28:24,400
Speaker 1: authorized or directed to render essential services to help address

2570
02:28:24,480 --> 02:28:29,039
Speaker 1: the situation, including by regulating and prohibiting the use of

2571
02:28:29,120 --> 02:28:36,080
Speaker 1: property to fund or support illegal blockades. Finally, will enable

2572
02:28:36,240 --> 02:28:39,800
Speaker 1: the r c MP to enforce municipal by laws and

2573
02:28:39,879 --> 02:28:46,600
Speaker 1: provincial offenses where required. This is what the Emergencies Act

2574
02:28:47,240 --> 02:28:51,280
Speaker 1: does The Emergencies Act, which replaced the War Measures Act

2575
02:28:51,640 --> 02:28:55,920
Speaker 1: in the nineteen eighties, defines a national emergency as a temporary,

2576
02:28:56,360 --> 02:28:59,960
Speaker 1: urgent and critical situation that is seriously endangers the line,

2577
02:29:00,280 --> 02:29:04,039
Speaker 1: health or safety of Canadians and is of such proportions

2578
02:29:04,120 --> 02:29:07,840
Speaker 1: or nature as to extend the capacity of authority of

2579
02:29:07,879 --> 02:29:11,760
Speaker 1: a province to deal with it. The unprecedented deployment of

2580
02:29:11,800 --> 02:29:15,359
Speaker 1: the Emergency's Act gives police quote more tools to restore

2581
02:29:15,440 --> 02:29:18,240
Speaker 1: order in places where public assembly is constitute illegal and

2582
02:29:18,360 --> 02:29:22,959
Speaker 1: dangerous activities, such as blockades and occupations. According to Trudeau,

2583
02:29:23,600 --> 02:29:26,800
Speaker 1: but the thing is police already had all the tools

2584
02:29:26,840 --> 02:29:30,520
Speaker 1: they needed. The illegal occupations and blockades were already illegal,

2585
02:29:30,879 --> 02:29:33,480
Speaker 1: they just didn't want to enforce it. You can look

2586
02:29:33,560 --> 02:29:37,480
Speaker 1: at how the coots, protesters and the police are hugging, right.

2587
02:29:37,640 --> 02:29:40,720
Speaker 1: This isn't a matter of having not enough tools. All

2588
02:29:40,800 --> 02:29:44,240
Speaker 1: this does is set a terrible precedent for using this

2589
02:29:44,320 --> 02:29:47,599
Speaker 1: type of extra power in the future to respond to protests,

2590
02:29:47,800 --> 02:29:50,440
Speaker 1: because the cops are still going to take a very

2591
02:29:50,440 --> 02:29:53,320
Speaker 1: gentle approach if they ever are forced to take physical

2592
02:29:53,360 --> 02:29:57,320
Speaker 1: action against the Ottawa occupation. While using the extra powers

2593
02:29:57,400 --> 02:30:00,879
Speaker 1: of the Emergencies Act. The Finance Minister of Hanada also

2594
02:30:00,920 --> 02:30:04,680
Speaker 1: announced on Monday a broadening of the laws regarding financing

2595
02:30:04,760 --> 02:30:09,800
Speaker 1: of crime and terrorism to now include crowdfunding and also

2596
02:30:09,879 --> 02:30:13,039
Speaker 1: extra surveillance measures against people who donate and use crowd

2597
02:30:13,040 --> 02:30:18,000
Speaker 1: funds for criminal acts, including illegal protests. As part of

2598
02:30:18,040 --> 02:30:24,840
Speaker 1: invoking the Emergencies Act, we are announcing the following immediate actions. First,

2599
02:30:25,360 --> 02:30:28,600
Speaker 1: we are broadening the scope of Canada's anti money lauder

2600
02:30:28,920 --> 02:30:34,560
Speaker 1: laundering and terrorist financing rules so that they cover crowdfunding

2601
02:30:34,680 --> 02:30:40,359
Speaker 1: platforms and the payment service providers they use. These changes

2602
02:30:40,440 --> 02:30:47,680
Speaker 1: cover all forms of transactions, including digital assets such as cryptocurrencies.

2603
02:30:48,840 --> 02:30:53,439
Speaker 1: The illegal blockades have highlighted the fact that crowdfunding platforms

2604
02:30:54,120 --> 02:30:58,000
Speaker 1: and some of the payment service providers they use are

2605
02:30:58,120 --> 02:31:03,120
Speaker 1: not fully captured under Proceeds of Crime and Terrorist Financing Act.

2606
02:31:04,320 --> 02:31:08,720
Speaker 1: Our banks and financial institutions are already obligated to report

2607
02:31:08,840 --> 02:31:13,840
Speaker 1: to the Financial Transactions and Reports Analysis Center of Canada

2608
02:31:14,200 --> 02:31:20,520
Speaker 1: or FINTRACK. As of today, all crowdfunding platforms and the

2609
02:31:20,560 --> 02:31:26,200
Speaker 1: payment service providers they use must register with fintrack and

2610
02:31:26,280 --> 02:31:33,879
Speaker 1: they must report large and suspicious transactions to fintrack. This

2611
02:31:34,080 --> 02:31:39,199
Speaker 1: will help mitigate the risk that these platforms receive illicit funds,

2612
02:31:40,360 --> 02:31:45,080
Speaker 1: increase the quality and quantity of intelligence received by fintrack,

2613
02:31:46,080 --> 02:31:51,000
Speaker 1: and make more information available to support investigations by law

2614
02:31:51,080 --> 02:31:55,800
Speaker 1: enforcement into these illegal blockades. That's kind of all the

2615
02:31:55,800 --> 02:31:58,600
Speaker 1: information I have at the time of recording. So now

2616
02:31:58,600 --> 02:32:01,920
Speaker 1: I'm going to talk more about the potential political effects

2617
02:32:01,920 --> 02:32:04,920
Speaker 1: that this protest could have, not just on Canada, but

2618
02:32:05,000 --> 02:32:08,959
Speaker 1: also in how we view protest in general. So the

2619
02:32:09,000 --> 02:32:12,720
Speaker 1: actual result of liberal media framing this type of protest

2620
02:32:12,840 --> 02:32:17,760
Speaker 1: as scary terrorism is laying the groundwork for brutal police

2621
02:32:17,840 --> 02:32:23,040
Speaker 1: actions against massive, mostly non violent, and tactically smart protests

2622
02:32:23,080 --> 02:32:27,800
Speaker 1: to be more normalized across Canada, and extremely brutal police

2623
02:32:27,800 --> 02:32:31,320
Speaker 1: response and harsh charges are unlikely to be leveled against

2624
02:32:31,320 --> 02:32:35,199
Speaker 1: a protest made up of these conservatives, but will absolutely

2625
02:32:35,240 --> 02:32:39,080
Speaker 1: happen to any future progressive social justice cause, especially if

2626
02:32:39,120 --> 02:32:43,600
Speaker 1: they use occupy style tactics. The more powers police obtain

2627
02:32:44,120 --> 02:32:46,560
Speaker 1: and the legal precedents that are set will have long

2628
02:32:46,640 --> 02:32:50,320
Speaker 1: lasting implications, with legal consequences that will always come down

2629
02:32:50,400 --> 02:32:52,560
Speaker 1: harder on the left than they do on the right.

2630
02:32:53,200 --> 02:32:56,840
Speaker 1: Police will do a bare minimum to resolve this conservative

2631
02:32:56,959 --> 02:33:00,360
Speaker 1: so called freedom protest, but then will you it as

2632
02:33:00,400 --> 02:33:04,320
Speaker 1: a justification to grab greater resources and power and use

2633
02:33:04,400 --> 02:33:09,360
Speaker 1: this movement to justify severe preventative protest suppression in the future.

2634
02:33:10,240 --> 02:33:14,080
Speaker 1: If liberals can widely celebrate and thirst for harsh crackdowns

2635
02:33:14,080 --> 02:33:17,640
Speaker 1: of a protest made up of white conservatives and their families,

2636
02:33:18,000 --> 02:33:21,520
Speaker 1: calling the entire movement a criminal enterprise, and cheering on

2637
02:33:21,560 --> 02:33:24,840
Speaker 1: as police steal property of the protesters despite what the

2638
02:33:24,879 --> 02:33:27,760
Speaker 1: majority of these protesters are doing, just being kind of

2639
02:33:27,800 --> 02:33:30,360
Speaker 1: camping onside of a street. Think of all of the

2640
02:33:30,400 --> 02:33:33,520
Speaker 1: ways that consent can be manufactured to clamp down on

2641
02:33:33,680 --> 02:33:38,160
Speaker 1: any future large scale protest, especially when the movement isn't

2642
02:33:38,200 --> 02:33:40,320
Speaker 1: made up of a bunch of regular white people and

2643
02:33:40,360 --> 02:33:43,760
Speaker 1: their kids, and instead of actually challenges the underlying power

2644
02:33:43,760 --> 02:33:47,280
Speaker 1: structures that prop up white Canada, instead of just reinforcing

2645
02:33:47,280 --> 02:33:50,600
Speaker 1: it like the Convoy does. I have a similar issue

2646
02:33:50,640 --> 02:33:54,640
Speaker 1: around all of the hubbub around the fundraisers right. Restricting

2647
02:33:54,680 --> 02:33:58,600
Speaker 1: where crowdfunded resources can come from will only result in

2648
02:33:58,680 --> 02:34:02,800
Speaker 1: future political social us as causes to be negatively impacted,

2649
02:34:03,080 --> 02:34:06,480
Speaker 1: whether that be bail funds or supporting indigenous blockades from

2650
02:34:06,480 --> 02:34:10,560
Speaker 1: out of country. On February ten, the Canadian federal government

2651
02:34:10,560 --> 02:34:14,840
Speaker 1: effectively shut down the Freedom Convoys gives end go fundraiser,

2652
02:34:15,160 --> 02:34:17,320
Speaker 1: making it illegal for the funds to be used in

2653
02:34:17,360 --> 02:34:21,080
Speaker 1: any way. Governments setting the precedent for shutting down protest

2654
02:34:21,120 --> 02:34:24,680
Speaker 1: crowdfunding is not a good thing now. Any future of

2655
02:34:24,720 --> 02:34:28,000
Speaker 1: protest bail funds and crowdfunding for the set In blockade

2656
02:34:28,120 --> 02:34:31,600
Speaker 1: will always be in jeopardy, and by no means saying

2657
02:34:31,640 --> 02:34:35,760
Speaker 1: that action against a generally hateful, anti democratic, and dangerously

2658
02:34:35,879 --> 02:34:41,000
Speaker 1: conspiratorial protest isn't justified, but just when governments start using

2659
02:34:41,000 --> 02:34:45,199
Speaker 1: it as reasons for more power and creating new precedents

2660
02:34:45,280 --> 02:34:48,440
Speaker 1: for years in jail and hundreds of thousands of dollars

2661
02:34:48,440 --> 02:34:52,160
Speaker 1: and fines for an occupation. Protest like that shouldn't be

2662
02:34:52,240 --> 02:34:55,039
Speaker 1: cheered on because those things will only come back to

2663
02:34:55,120 --> 02:34:58,039
Speaker 1: bite progressive causes a lot harder than they will be

2664
02:34:58,160 --> 02:35:02,440
Speaker 1: used against the conservative con lawyers. There has increasingly been

2665
02:35:02,480 --> 02:35:06,280
Speaker 1: attempts at counter protesting the Ottawa Convoy and the various

2666
02:35:06,320 --> 02:35:09,920
Speaker 1: Convoy inspired protests around the country, many of which faced

2667
02:35:09,920 --> 02:35:12,680
Speaker 1: harsher police response than any of the convert protests have

2668
02:35:13,040 --> 02:35:17,360
Speaker 1: up until this point, but those community led counterprotesting efforts

2669
02:35:17,440 --> 02:35:21,400
Speaker 1: are vital. The RAM Ranch resistance actions are still ongoing.

2670
02:35:21,920 --> 02:35:24,199
Speaker 1: On Sunday night, the u r L for the Gifts

2671
02:35:24,280 --> 02:35:27,720
Speaker 1: End Go fundraiser was hacked by activists who redirected the

2672
02:35:27,720 --> 02:35:30,600
Speaker 1: page to a video of the frozen song Let It Go,

2673
02:35:31,080 --> 02:35:35,440
Speaker 1: accompanying a manifesto condemning the fundraiser and the Convoy. And

2674
02:35:35,560 --> 02:35:38,560
Speaker 1: that's great, and that is wonderful counter protesting. That is

2675
02:35:38,760 --> 02:35:41,840
Speaker 1: very in terms of effective ways to shut down fundraising

2676
02:35:41,840 --> 02:35:47,320
Speaker 1: efforts for basically pseudo fascist you know, anti anti democratic,

2677
02:35:47,480 --> 02:35:51,960
Speaker 1: conspiracy led movement. That's great, right. And this was hours

2678
02:35:52,000 --> 02:35:54,880
Speaker 1: after it was officially confirmed via data leaks that around

2679
02:35:54,959 --> 02:35:58,080
Speaker 1: fifty scent of gives End Go donations for the Convoy

2680
02:35:58,360 --> 02:36:02,240
Speaker 1: came from the United States, around came from Canada, and

2681
02:36:02,280 --> 02:36:05,280
Speaker 1: then two percent came from the UK. Although I think

2682
02:36:05,280 --> 02:36:08,080
Speaker 1: it's worth mentioning that for the initial ten million dollar

2683
02:36:08,280 --> 02:36:11,760
Speaker 1: go fund me, we only have confirmation that around thirty

2684
02:36:11,840 --> 02:36:15,519
Speaker 1: three thou dollars came from the United States. To understand

2685
02:36:15,560 --> 02:36:19,440
Speaker 1: how the Convoy flash blockade is working, it's useful to

2686
02:36:19,440 --> 02:36:23,920
Speaker 1: get away from painting all of the participants themselves as extremists,

2687
02:36:24,200 --> 02:36:27,560
Speaker 1: because the fact that regular Canadian right wingers are what's

2688
02:36:27,600 --> 02:36:30,840
Speaker 1: making this possible, has a whole bunch of other implications

2689
02:36:30,879 --> 02:36:34,160
Speaker 1: that people aren't really talking about. I'm seeing a lot

2690
02:36:34,200 --> 02:36:36,480
Speaker 1: of Canadians who are just really upset about how the

2691
02:36:36,640 --> 02:36:40,440
Speaker 1: convoys affecting cities and the country as a whole, which,

2692
02:36:40,520 --> 02:36:43,200
Speaker 1: you know, reasonable, I am, it is a thing to

2693
02:36:43,240 --> 02:36:45,920
Speaker 1: be upset about. But then just jumping to insist that

2694
02:36:45,920 --> 02:36:49,440
Speaker 1: it must be inorganic, I think is kind of faulty

2695
02:36:49,959 --> 02:36:54,480
Speaker 1: focusing instead on theories around foreign influences and ashtar organizing,

2696
02:36:54,920 --> 02:36:58,360
Speaker 1: elements of which have been present, sure, but also the

2697
02:36:58,400 --> 02:37:00,560
Speaker 1: impact in which is I think kind of an overblown

2698
02:37:00,879 --> 02:37:04,560
Speaker 1: But even if those things are completely true and major factors,

2699
02:37:05,080 --> 02:37:07,880
Speaker 1: that still overlooks the fact that there are thousands of

2700
02:37:08,120 --> 02:37:12,160
Speaker 1: real Canadians from around the country camped up in Ottawa,

2701
02:37:12,680 --> 02:37:15,279
Speaker 1: and the majority of those Canadians sitting in the streets

2702
02:37:15,400 --> 02:37:19,280
Speaker 1: are not Nazis right or really even extremists, and most

2703
02:37:19,280 --> 02:37:22,320
Speaker 1: of those people are not receiving personal funding from dark

2704
02:37:22,400 --> 02:37:27,480
Speaker 1: money billionaires. They consider themselves regular, working class, freedom loving Canadians.

2705
02:37:28,280 --> 02:37:31,920
Speaker 1: It's much harder to reconcile a homegrown movement full of

2706
02:37:31,959 --> 02:37:34,360
Speaker 1: participants that have slid further to the right over the

2707
02:37:34,360 --> 02:37:37,720
Speaker 1: past two years due to rampant online misinformation coupled with

2708
02:37:37,800 --> 02:37:42,080
Speaker 1: ineffectual government support during the pandemic. It's easy to point

2709
02:37:42,120 --> 02:37:45,560
Speaker 1: to so called organizers who are definitely more fashion, large

2710
02:37:45,560 --> 02:37:48,640
Speaker 1: scale sketchy donations, and far right media figures who are

2711
02:37:48,640 --> 02:37:51,800
Speaker 1: trying to jump support for the Convoy. But those things

2712
02:37:51,840 --> 02:37:55,320
Speaker 1: alone don't get many of thousands and thousands of people

2713
02:37:55,480 --> 02:37:58,160
Speaker 1: and their kids to drive across country for a cause

2714
02:37:58,200 --> 02:38:02,000
Speaker 1: that they earnestly believe in the years of political alienation

2715
02:38:02,080 --> 02:38:05,680
Speaker 1: and disenfrantisement that caused that to happen is a lot

2716
02:38:05,720 --> 02:38:09,119
Speaker 1: harder to solve than just cracking down on organizers and donations.

2717
02:38:10,160 --> 02:38:14,480
Speaker 1: Watching homegrown reactionary street politics that one day can grow

2718
02:38:14,520 --> 02:38:18,360
Speaker 1: into an actual far right, populist and fascist movement is

2719
02:38:18,400 --> 02:38:22,720
Speaker 1: a lot more frightening than the idea of overseased astroturft organizing.

2720
02:38:23,240 --> 02:38:25,720
Speaker 1: Not that those things are mutually exclusive always, but I'm

2721
02:38:25,720 --> 02:38:28,840
Speaker 1: just trying to make a good point here. Despite cries

2722
02:38:28,920 --> 02:38:32,600
Speaker 1: to make this Canada's January six, in a way, the

2723
02:38:32,600 --> 02:38:35,360
Speaker 1: Convoy is more effective the January six in terms of

2724
02:38:35,400 --> 02:38:39,920
Speaker 1: the evolution of valid political action. It's pushed the boundary

2725
02:38:39,920 --> 02:38:42,760
Speaker 1: on what is deemed as acceptable and even possible for

2726
02:38:42,920 --> 02:38:46,800
Speaker 1: large scale occupations and supply line blockades in the major

2727
02:38:47,000 --> 02:38:51,920
Speaker 1: North American urban setting. People who would never consider themselves

2728
02:38:51,920 --> 02:38:56,160
Speaker 1: militant are now involved in multiple border crossing blockades. That's

2729
02:38:56,240 --> 02:38:58,800
Speaker 1: cost hundreds of millions of dollars and to get to

2730
02:38:58,840 --> 02:39:02,400
Speaker 1: this point, So how many things need to happen? COVID

2731
02:39:02,400 --> 02:39:06,440
Speaker 1: isolation offered fertile ground for people's politics to unknowing these slide.

2732
02:39:06,560 --> 02:39:09,640
Speaker 1: More to the extreme, the many in person connections that

2733
02:39:09,680 --> 02:39:13,200
Speaker 1: help prevent people from falling prey to conspiratorial thinking ceased

2734
02:39:13,240 --> 02:39:17,560
Speaker 1: to exist. General frustration at Trudeau and the perceived notion

2735
02:39:17,640 --> 02:39:21,920
Speaker 1: of liberalism and elitism has been steadily growing since, and

2736
02:39:22,040 --> 02:39:25,600
Speaker 1: all that mounted up frustration is now being released and

2737
02:39:25,720 --> 02:39:29,160
Speaker 1: as a result, the invisible Overton window of acceptable political

2738
02:39:29,200 --> 02:39:34,200
Speaker 1: action has shifted right in regular conservatives minds, and a

2739
02:39:34,240 --> 02:39:38,160
Speaker 1: movement like this is hard to dissolve. Police actions have

2740
02:39:38,240 --> 02:39:42,280
Speaker 1: the chance of escalating the situation and elongating people's willingness

2741
02:39:42,320 --> 02:39:46,240
Speaker 1: to protest, and even if more mandates get removed, that

2742
02:39:46,280 --> 02:39:49,280
Speaker 1: doesn't mean the protests will stop either. Removing the Alberta

2743
02:39:49,320 --> 02:39:53,000
Speaker 1: mandates didn't stop the Coots border blockade, for instance, because

2744
02:39:53,080 --> 02:39:56,160
Speaker 1: you know, even if all the mandates in Canada get rescinded,

2745
02:39:56,200 --> 02:39:59,040
Speaker 1: which which they won't and whish they shouldn't. But even

2746
02:39:59,040 --> 02:40:02,200
Speaker 1: if they did, that would still leave the US's Vaccine

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Speaker 1: Board requirements which are preventing vaccinated truckers from entering the

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02:40:05,959 --> 02:40:10,440
Speaker 1: States anyway. Similar tactics and protests inspired by the Canadian

2749
02:40:10,480 --> 02:40:14,960
Speaker 1: convoy have broken out overseas in recent weeks. The convoy

2750
02:40:15,000 --> 02:40:17,800
Speaker 1: and blocking inspired protests in New Zealand have led to

2751
02:40:17,920 --> 02:40:21,400
Speaker 1: frequent clashes with police outside New Zealand's Parliament building. For

2752
02:40:21,440 --> 02:40:25,000
Speaker 1: the past two weeks. French protesters formed their own Freedom

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02:40:25,040 --> 02:40:29,200
Speaker 1: Convoy against the government's vaccine mandates. The convoy converged on

2754
02:40:29,280 --> 02:40:33,279
Speaker 1: the Shan's Aliza in Paris on February second, where protesters

2755
02:40:33,280 --> 02:40:37,039
Speaker 1: were met by seven thousand police members and tear gas.

2756
02:40:37,680 --> 02:40:40,840
Speaker 1: Unlike Canada, where the government failed to stop a blockade

2757
02:40:40,920 --> 02:40:43,760
Speaker 1: at the U S border, French authorities got way ahead

2758
02:40:43,760 --> 02:40:46,599
Speaker 1: of this protest by stopping at least five hundred vehicles

2759
02:40:46,600 --> 02:40:49,560
Speaker 1: before they even got to Paris. Only a few dicent

2760
02:40:49,560 --> 02:40:52,240
Speaker 1: cars made it to the Seans Aliz, and the police

2761
02:40:52,240 --> 02:40:55,480
Speaker 1: ticketed three hundred protesters who were present at the demonstration.

2762
02:40:56,160 --> 02:40:59,840
Speaker 1: Protests against government coronavirus restrictions have cut on in Europe

2763
02:40:59,840 --> 02:41:02,360
Speaker 1: and other parts of the world in recent days, but

2764
02:41:02,440 --> 02:41:06,400
Speaker 1: they remained more subdued than the Canadian demonstrations. A convoy

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02:41:06,400 --> 02:41:09,080
Speaker 1: of about five hundred vehicles, mostly from France who are

2766
02:41:09,080 --> 02:41:11,520
Speaker 1: borrowed from entering Brussels of just a few days ago,

2767
02:41:11,959 --> 02:41:15,000
Speaker 1: leaving several hundred protesters to gather on foot at a

2768
02:41:15,080 --> 02:41:19,640
Speaker 1: city square instead. Another convoy of several hundred vehicles blocked

2769
02:41:19,680 --> 02:41:22,240
Speaker 1: access to the seat of the Netherlands government in the

2770
02:41:22,320 --> 02:41:26,600
Speaker 1: Hague on February twelve, And of course many political figures

2771
02:41:26,640 --> 02:41:29,840
Speaker 1: in the US are really trying to get a convoy

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02:41:30,000 --> 02:41:34,000
Speaker 1: esque protest kicked off here in the United States, Tucker

2773
02:41:34,000 --> 02:41:36,600
Speaker 1: Carlson and Fox News in general has covered the convoy

2774
02:41:37,000 --> 02:41:40,560
Speaker 1: non stop, giving it tons and tons of support. Tucker

2775
02:41:40,600 --> 02:41:43,920
Speaker 1: has said that the Canadian trucker convoy is the single

2776
02:41:44,000 --> 02:41:48,440
Speaker 1: most successful human rights protest in a generation. Senator Ran

2777
02:41:48,600 --> 02:41:51,439
Speaker 1: Paul So that he hopes the truckers come to America

2778
02:41:51,720 --> 02:41:55,279
Speaker 1: and specifically to clog up cities. At least nine members

2779
02:41:55,320 --> 02:41:58,560
Speaker 1: of Congress, all Republicans, have all publicized their support for

2780
02:41:58,560 --> 02:42:02,720
Speaker 1: the convoy. Participants on Twitter. Self appointed organizers for a

2781
02:42:02,840 --> 02:42:06,680
Speaker 1: US based convoy have found quick support from conservative outlets.

2782
02:42:07,440 --> 02:42:11,160
Speaker 1: US convoy organizer Brian Brace has been making the rounds

2783
02:42:11,200 --> 02:42:14,200
Speaker 1: on Fox News, sitting down with Carlson, as well as

2784
02:42:14,200 --> 02:42:17,760
Speaker 1: the networks Fox and Friends Morning Show. Brace says that

2785
02:42:17,800 --> 02:42:21,640
Speaker 1: he hoped to organize a cross country convoy from California

2786
02:42:21,680 --> 02:42:25,920
Speaker 1: to Washington, d C starting around March fourth. Routes to

2787
02:42:26,080 --> 02:42:29,160
Speaker 1: converge on d C from across the country are being planned,

2788
02:42:29,440 --> 02:42:32,840
Speaker 1: while the group's telegram channel is actively soliciting volunteers and

2789
02:42:32,879 --> 02:42:36,920
Speaker 1: donations of items like tents, generators, and p A systems.

2790
02:42:37,879 --> 02:42:40,240
Speaker 1: I kind of hope people on the left can look

2791
02:42:40,280 --> 02:42:43,400
Speaker 1: at the tactics being used in Canada, some that have

2792
02:42:43,480 --> 02:42:46,200
Speaker 1: worked and some that have faltered. But in terms of

2793
02:42:46,360 --> 02:42:49,400
Speaker 1: like anti capitalist action, you can't do much better than

2794
02:42:49,440 --> 02:42:52,400
Speaker 1: causing hundreds and millions of dollars and losses to international

2795
02:42:52,440 --> 02:42:55,360
Speaker 1: trade between two of the biggest countries in the world.

2796
02:42:55,720 --> 02:43:00,680
Speaker 1: Right now, no protest movement can be replicated it any

2797
02:43:00,760 --> 02:43:04,520
Speaker 1: movement can be analyzed, and that can inform how folks

2798
02:43:04,520 --> 02:43:09,039
Speaker 1: approach future movements as they spontaneously arise, and I at

2799
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Speaker 1: the very least help you have a better idea now

2800
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Speaker 1: of how only a few thousand people can totally choke

2801
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Speaker 1: out a major city, because we've talked about this possibility before.

2802
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Speaker 1: You know, a group of people overwhelming local law enforcement

2803
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Speaker 1: and taking over and shutting down a sizable portion of

2804
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Speaker 1: a popular metropolitan area, not to mention simultaneously blocking off

2805
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Speaker 1: supply lines, trade routes, and international border crossings. The evolution

2806
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Speaker 1: of these medium scale anti government resistance tactics is something

2807
02:43:36,000 --> 02:43:38,960
Speaker 1: we all should be paying attention to as the political

2808
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Speaker 1: tensions continue to rise right outside our doorstep, because it's

2809
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2856
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Speaker 1: joking about Canadians. Can't do it to Canada. Can't do

2857
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Speaker 1: it to Canada or the fuss it could happen here

2858
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Speaker 1: the French. We can be racist against the French. It's true. Yeah,

2859
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Speaker 1: speaking of speaking that makes Quebec angrier, but like speaking

2860
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Speaker 1: of racism, Chris, what's our topic today? Yeah, today's episode

2861
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Speaker 1: is about why I hate the cops. Yeah, specifically it

2862
02:47:07,480 --> 02:47:12,520
Speaker 1: is about is about Chicago Police Department and the many, many, many,

2863
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Speaker 1: many many crimes they have committed. Uh, we're gonna talk

2864
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Speaker 1: about well, Okay. To lead us in to explain what

2865
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Speaker 1: we're doing here today, I'm going to read a quote

2866
02:47:21,520 --> 02:47:24,000
Speaker 1: from from the late anthropologist David Graber from this book

2867
02:47:24,000 --> 02:47:28,120
Speaker 1: The Democracy Project. For my own part, I find what

2868
02:47:28,200 --> 02:47:30,920
Speaker 1: I call the rape torture and Murder test very useful.

2869
02:47:31,200 --> 02:47:34,080
Speaker 1: It's quite simple when presented with the political entity of

2870
02:47:34,120 --> 02:47:36,680
Speaker 1: some kind or another, whether a government, a social movement,

2871
02:47:36,720 --> 02:47:39,680
Speaker 1: a guerilla army, or really any other organized group, and

2872
02:47:39,720 --> 02:47:43,440
Speaker 1: trying to decide whether they deserve condemnation or support. First

2873
02:47:43,480 --> 02:47:46,440
Speaker 1: ask do they commit or do they order others to

2874
02:47:46,480 --> 02:47:50,000
Speaker 1: commit acts of rape, torture or murder. It seems a

2875
02:47:50,040 --> 02:47:53,800
Speaker 1: self evident question. But again it's surprising how rarely, or better,

2876
02:47:53,920 --> 02:47:57,279
Speaker 1: how selectively it is applied. Or perhaps it might seem

2877
02:47:57,320 --> 02:48:00,280
Speaker 1: surprising until one starts applying it and discovers conventional wisdom

2878
02:48:00,320 --> 02:48:03,720
Speaker 1: of many will political issues instantly turned upside down. In

2879
02:48:03,720 --> 02:48:06,160
Speaker 1: two thousand six, for example, most people in the United

2880
02:48:06,160 --> 02:48:09,320
Speaker 1: States read about the Mexican governments sending federal troops to

2881
02:48:09,360 --> 02:48:12,240
Speaker 1: quell a popular revolt initiated by a teachers union against

2882
02:48:12,280 --> 02:48:15,600
Speaker 1: notoriously corrupt governor in the southern state of Wahaka. In

2883
02:48:15,640 --> 02:48:18,240
Speaker 1: the US media, this was universally presented as a good thing,

2884
02:48:18,320 --> 02:48:21,600
Speaker 1: a restoration of order. The rebels, after all, were violent,

2885
02:48:21,760 --> 02:48:24,280
Speaker 1: having thrown rocks and molotov cocktails, even if they only

2886
02:48:24,320 --> 02:48:27,039
Speaker 1: threw them at heavily armed police, causing no serious injuries.

2887
02:48:27,440 --> 02:48:29,240
Speaker 1: No one, to my knowledge, has ever suggested that the

2888
02:48:29,280 --> 02:48:33,560
Speaker 1: rebels raped, tortured, or murdered anyone. Neither, as anyone who

2889
02:48:33,560 --> 02:48:36,120
Speaker 1: knows anything about the events and questions seriously contested the

2890
02:48:36,160 --> 02:48:38,680
Speaker 1: fact that forces loyal to the Mexican government had raped, tortured,

2891
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Speaker 1: and murdered quite a number of people in suppressing the rebellion.

2892
02:48:41,760 --> 02:48:44,800
Speaker 1: Yet somehow such acts, unlike the rebels stone throwing, cannot

2893
02:48:44,840 --> 02:48:47,760
Speaker 1: be described as violent at all, let alone as rape, torture,

2894
02:48:47,800 --> 02:48:50,800
Speaker 1: or murder, but only appear, if at all, as accusations

2895
02:48:50,840 --> 02:48:58,240
Speaker 1: of human rights violations, or in some similarly bloodless legalistic language. Yeah,

2896
02:48:58,280 --> 02:48:59,960
Speaker 1: and and that that's the framework that I want to

2897
02:49:00,000 --> 02:49:05,440
Speaker 1: take the Chicago Police Department so people can understand why

2898
02:49:06,040 --> 02:49:10,440
Speaker 1: and how and just just sort of get people can

2899
02:49:10,440 --> 02:49:13,520
Speaker 1: get a taste of the sheer horror that anti police

2900
02:49:13,600 --> 02:49:15,959
Speaker 1: organizers and just like regular people in Chicago are fighting

2901
02:49:15,959 --> 02:49:18,520
Speaker 1: every day because Chicago Police Department fails the rape torture

2902
02:49:18,560 --> 02:49:23,480
Speaker 1: murder test again and again and again and again. And

2903
02:49:23,520 --> 02:49:26,840
Speaker 1: so we are going to tell four stories of torture, rape,

2904
02:49:26,879 --> 02:49:31,360
Speaker 1: and murder by the Chicago Police Department. That seems fun.

2905
02:49:32,280 --> 02:49:37,000
Speaker 1: It's gonna be great. Happy pants on, kids, go for

2906
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Speaker 1: a cruise, you know, take the top down. Um, it's

2907
02:49:40,920 --> 02:49:47,120
Speaker 1: it's time for a good old fest. So our our

2908
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Speaker 1: first story of torture, rape and murder by the CPD

2909
02:49:49,480 --> 02:49:52,880
Speaker 1: is the story of Chicago's infamous torture ring, led by

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Speaker 1: a man named John Burch. Yeah. Now, John Bird has

2911
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Speaker 1: been a military police sergeant working at a poduble you

2912
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Speaker 1: camp in Vietnam. So so immediately you have a guy

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Speaker 1: who's not only a troop cop, but he's he's he's

2914
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Speaker 1: a troop cop while he was a troop and then

2915
02:50:07,800 --> 02:50:13,400
Speaker 1: he becomes a cop and you know, nothing, nothing good

2916
02:50:13,440 --> 02:50:16,760
Speaker 1: can possibly come from that. And the other thing and

2917
02:50:16,800 --> 02:50:18,840
Speaker 1: nothing good can possibly come from, is the fact that

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02:50:18,840 --> 02:50:21,039
Speaker 1: while Burge was in Vietnam, the US was doing some

2919
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Speaker 1: just really six ships to Vietnamese prisoners, including rape, gang rape,

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02:50:25,240 --> 02:50:28,160
Speaker 1: rape with hard objects, and rape followed by murder. UH.

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Speaker 1: The electric shock called the bell telephone hour rendered by

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Speaker 1: attaching wires to the genitals and keep your keep that

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Speaker 1: one in mind. We have not seen the last of

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Speaker 1: that UH and rape using eels and snakes, as we

2925
02:50:39,200 --> 02:50:43,000
Speaker 1: have talked about on bastards of it before. Um. They're

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Speaker 1: also like they're also a huge water boarding fans. So this,

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Speaker 1: this is, this is the environment that Burge is sort

2928
02:50:47,600 --> 02:50:49,680
Speaker 1: of you know, being trained as a copy in right,

2929
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Speaker 1: He's he's one of those these these p W camps

2930
02:50:52,760 --> 02:50:55,280
Speaker 1: and he gets the purple heart for his service. Now

2931
02:50:55,480 --> 02:50:58,800
Speaker 1: when when he comes back to the US and he

2932
02:50:58,879 --> 02:51:02,720
Speaker 1: becomes a cop, and within about three years Burge and

2933
02:51:02,760 --> 02:51:05,400
Speaker 1: his white cock buddy start just absolutely beating the crap

2934
02:51:05,440 --> 02:51:10,720
Speaker 1: out of black suspects. UM. One of these prisoners, a

2935
02:51:10,760 --> 02:51:14,119
Speaker 1: man named Anthony Holmes, was repeatedly tortured with electric shocks

2936
02:51:14,200 --> 02:51:16,160
Speaker 1: and almost suffocated a death of a bag put over

2937
02:51:16,200 --> 02:51:19,400
Speaker 1: his head. Holmes was tortured so badly he literally thought

2938
02:51:19,400 --> 02:51:21,320
Speaker 1: he was going to die, so he confessed to a

2939
02:51:21,320 --> 02:51:24,240
Speaker 1: crime he didn't commit and spent thirty years in prison. Yeah.

2940
02:51:24,240 --> 02:51:26,920
Speaker 1: I actually interviewed one of the people tortured by Burge

2941
02:51:27,480 --> 02:51:31,200
Speaker 1: who was had his testicles electrocut. Didn't. Yeah, yeah, we're

2942
02:51:31,200 --> 02:51:34,480
Speaker 1: gonna get into that. But yeah, it's it's it's horrible.

2943
02:51:34,600 --> 02:51:39,480
Speaker 1: It's it's pretty the worst things I've ever read. Uh. Yeah,

2944
02:51:39,520 --> 02:51:44,120
Speaker 1: and Holmes, this case is particularly grim because so he

2945
02:51:44,160 --> 02:51:47,279
Speaker 1: tells his lawyers that he's been tortured, and his lawyers

2946
02:51:47,320 --> 02:51:54,000
Speaker 1: don't believe him, and so you know, he, yeah, he

2947
02:51:54,560 --> 02:51:56,720
Speaker 1: went to spending thirty years in prison that he didn't do.

2948
02:51:57,000 --> 02:52:02,200
Speaker 1: Um those shocks. Yeah yeah, So okay, So that they

2949
02:52:02,200 --> 02:52:05,280
Speaker 1: have this box, right, it's his box as a handcrate generator.

2950
02:52:06,560 --> 02:52:10,200
Speaker 1: Birge calls at the N word box. Uh. And he

2951
02:52:10,400 --> 02:52:13,320
Speaker 1: just attaches people's like it's just attached it to people.

2952
02:52:13,440 --> 02:52:16,480
Speaker 1: I wonder what, Oh yeah, no, it's he's all of

2953
02:52:16,520 --> 02:52:24,320
Speaker 1: these people are so indescribably racist. It's like, yeah, he

2954
02:52:24,720 --> 02:52:27,200
Speaker 1: he just like he keeps this box like on his

2955
02:52:27,360 --> 02:52:29,840
Speaker 1: desk at the Chicago Police Department. Like it's just on

2956
02:52:29,920 --> 02:52:33,040
Speaker 1: his desk at work. Um. Now. The other thing is

2957
02:52:33,080 --> 02:52:34,680
Speaker 1: notable about this is that he he and the people

2958
02:52:34,680 --> 02:52:37,760
Speaker 1: around him would call just electrocuting people by touching alligator

2959
02:52:37,800 --> 02:52:39,720
Speaker 1: lamps to them and putting nine thousand, two undred vaults

2960
02:52:39,720 --> 02:52:42,160
Speaker 1: into them. They called it the Vietnamese treatment because I

2961
02:52:42,200 --> 02:52:45,680
Speaker 1: guess what he learned this in Vietnam. Um Now, Birch

2962
02:52:45,800 --> 02:52:48,120
Speaker 1: is so called Midnight Crew had had an incredibly high

2963
02:52:48,160 --> 02:52:50,160
Speaker 1: rate of solving crimes, and he has an incredibly high

2964
02:52:50,240 --> 02:52:52,640
Speaker 1: rate of quote unquote solving crimes because he's just torturing

2965
02:52:52,680 --> 02:52:56,560
Speaker 1: random black people until they confess um and you know,

2966
02:52:57,160 --> 02:52:59,440
Speaker 1: it's it's it's not like people don't know he's doing this.

2967
02:52:59,520 --> 02:53:02,600
Speaker 1: There's there's detective from the seventies who like walks in

2968
02:53:02,760 --> 02:53:05,920
Speaker 1: on Burde torturing a guy, and he goes through superiors

2969
02:53:05,920 --> 02:53:08,440
Speaker 1: and it's like Burgess Burgess torturing the people, and that

2970
02:53:08,480 --> 02:53:11,640
Speaker 1: detective gets reprimanded and were reprimanded for like reporting the

2971
02:53:11,720 --> 02:53:15,200
Speaker 1: torture and transferred to another area. So Burge gets promoted

2972
02:53:15,240 --> 02:53:17,120
Speaker 1: to sergeant in nineteen seventy seven and then again to

2973
02:53:17,120 --> 02:53:19,080
Speaker 1: lieutenant in nineteen eighty, and he gets he gets put

2974
02:53:19,080 --> 02:53:22,760
Speaker 1: in charge of the newly formed Violent Crimes Unit. And

2975
02:53:23,120 --> 02:53:26,039
Speaker 1: from from from this position, his rate of terror intensifies.

2976
02:53:27,280 --> 02:53:31,800
Speaker 1: And so so in nineteen eight two, someone shoots two

2977
02:53:31,800 --> 02:53:35,560
Speaker 1: white cops. And you know, this is one of one

2978
02:53:35,600 --> 02:53:37,560
Speaker 1: of the sort of classic police things. Anytime a cop

2979
02:53:37,640 --> 02:53:41,879
Speaker 1: dies the the the police department just goes fucking ballistic.

2980
02:53:43,600 --> 02:53:46,680
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah. And and in this case, with with with

2981
02:53:46,760 --> 02:53:50,080
Speaker 1: Burge in charge, he basically turns the entire South Side

2982
02:53:50,080 --> 02:53:53,440
Speaker 1: into what can only be described as a fascist police state. Um,

2983
02:53:53,520 --> 02:53:56,600
Speaker 1: here's this is. This is from the Chicago police torture scandal,

2984
02:53:56,640 --> 02:54:01,279
Speaker 1: illegal and political history. In in Cuney's Law Review, police

2985
02:54:01,360 --> 02:54:04,240
Speaker 1: kicked down doors and terrorized scores of African Americans. And

2986
02:54:04,280 --> 02:54:09,119
Speaker 1: what Jesse Jackson of Operation Push Push and Raynald Robinson

2987
02:54:09,120 --> 02:54:11,840
Speaker 1: if the Afro American police lead condemned as quote martial

2988
02:54:11,920 --> 02:54:15,800
Speaker 1: law that smacked of Nazi Germany. Thirteen witnesses were smothered

2989
02:54:15,800 --> 02:54:18,120
Speaker 1: with bags and threatened with bolt cutters and bursion as

2990
02:54:18,120 --> 02:54:21,000
Speaker 1: detectives took several young men who they wrongly suspected to

2991
02:54:21,000 --> 02:54:24,680
Speaker 1: be the killers to police headqure horders and tortured them.

2992
02:54:24,720 --> 02:54:26,680
Speaker 1: And I mean they're just like you know that they're

2993
02:54:26,680 --> 02:54:28,800
Speaker 1: buzzing down people's doors or dragging people away out in

2994
02:54:28,840 --> 02:54:30,400
Speaker 1: the middle of the night. They do this for about

2995
02:54:30,400 --> 02:54:34,199
Speaker 1: five days before they arrest two brothers and who again

2996
02:54:34,240 --> 02:54:36,120
Speaker 1: had nothing to do with this. They just decided that

2997
02:54:36,160 --> 02:54:39,640
Speaker 1: these two were the guys and tortured just the absolute

2998
02:54:39,640 --> 02:54:43,320
Speaker 1: shit out of him. Um. One of the brothers, Andrew Wilson.

2999
02:54:43,360 --> 02:54:44,760
Speaker 1: But before birds even gets there, because this is the

3000
02:54:44,800 --> 02:54:47,480
Speaker 1: everything about birds. It's not just birds, right, like everyone

3001
02:54:47,600 --> 02:54:50,640
Speaker 1: he's like around him, he is also a torturer. It's

3002
02:54:50,640 --> 02:54:53,600
Speaker 1: just birds sort of, you know, but birds the guy

3003
02:54:53,879 --> 02:54:56,920
Speaker 1: like directing a lot of it. So even before he

3004
02:54:56,959 --> 02:54:59,960
Speaker 1: gets there, Yeah, like Wilson gets like he's burned with

3005
02:55:00,000 --> 02:55:02,080
Speaker 1: a cigarette lighter. He gets strangled with the bag over

3006
02:55:02,080 --> 02:55:03,520
Speaker 1: his head again and then just like beat him a

3007
02:55:03,520 --> 02:55:08,320
Speaker 1: bunch of times, and then it gets even worse. Um

3008
02:55:08,560 --> 02:55:11,760
Speaker 1: birds like you know, but birds. That's the thing where

3009
02:55:11,959 --> 02:55:14,000
Speaker 1: where he likes he straps him to the to the

3010
02:55:14,040 --> 02:55:16,560
Speaker 1: electric box, right, but he also straps him against the radiator.

3011
02:55:17,320 --> 02:55:20,039
Speaker 1: And you know these are like old Chicago steam radiators. Right,

3012
02:55:20,080 --> 02:55:22,000
Speaker 1: if you touch, if you like touch them even briefly,

3013
02:55:22,040 --> 02:55:24,520
Speaker 1: you get burned. And so yeah, he straps into a

3014
02:55:24,600 --> 02:55:28,160
Speaker 1: radiator and every time he like gets shocked. He jerks

3015
02:55:28,200 --> 02:55:30,480
Speaker 1: back into the radiator, it gets burned. Yeah. I have

3016
02:55:30,480 --> 02:55:32,440
Speaker 1: a friend who get a second degree burned dripped from

3017
02:55:32,480 --> 02:55:35,920
Speaker 1: like briefly touching one of those things. Yeah. Yeah, I

3018
02:55:35,959 --> 02:55:39,080
Speaker 1: mean it's basically it's basically tying someone to an oven.

3019
02:55:39,200 --> 02:55:45,120
Speaker 1: It's turns. Yeah, I mean it's it is breasttaking in

3020
02:55:45,240 --> 02:55:51,960
Speaker 1: humanity on a scale that is yeah, um pop esque. Yeah, yeah,

3021
02:55:52,320 --> 02:55:55,960
Speaker 1: it's it's it's it's real. It's real cops shit. Um,

3022
02:55:56,000 --> 02:56:00,400
Speaker 1: it's for sure, real cop shit. Yeah. So he here's

3023
02:56:00,440 --> 02:56:04,520
Speaker 1: an interview, uh with Wilson. There's there's an excerpt of

3024
02:56:04,560 --> 02:56:06,600
Speaker 1: one from from the book Writings from the World of Policing.

3025
02:56:07,480 --> 02:56:10,160
Speaker 1: Wilson said that Burg cranked the generator, sending nine thousand,

3026
02:56:10,200 --> 02:56:12,959
Speaker 1: two hundred volts of electricity into his body. He put

3027
02:56:13,040 --> 02:56:15,280
Speaker 1: it on my fingers, Wilson explained, one of the clamps

3028
02:56:15,280 --> 02:56:17,040
Speaker 1: on one finger and one of the other finger, and

3029
02:56:17,080 --> 02:56:18,840
Speaker 1: then he kept cranking it and cranking it. And I

3030
02:56:18,920 --> 02:56:21,560
Speaker 1: was hollering and screaming. I was calling for help. My

3031
02:56:21,640 --> 02:56:25,640
Speaker 1: teeth was grinding, flickering in my head. Pain. It hurts,

3032
02:56:25,640 --> 02:56:27,880
Speaker 1: Wilson continued, But it stays in your head Okay, it

3033
02:56:28,000 --> 02:56:29,959
Speaker 1: stays in your head and it grinds your teeth. It

3034
02:56:30,040 --> 02:56:34,560
Speaker 1: grinds constantly, grinds constantly. The pain just stays in your

3035
02:56:34,560 --> 02:56:38,879
Speaker 1: head and your teeth cut constantly. Grinds and grinds and

3036
02:56:38,879 --> 02:56:44,640
Speaker 1: grinds and grinds and grinds and grinds. Now Wilson, they

3037
02:56:44,680 --> 02:56:46,240
Speaker 1: do this to Wilson for like a day, and she

3038
02:56:46,280 --> 02:56:49,560
Speaker 1: doesn't confess. He he refuses to confess because he didn't

3039
02:56:49,560 --> 02:56:53,960
Speaker 1: do it, and so he goes to like they bring

3040
02:56:54,000 --> 02:56:57,320
Speaker 1: him in front of a family prosecutor, and Wilson tells

3041
02:56:57,320 --> 02:56:59,200
Speaker 1: the prosecutor that he's being tortured, and you know, it's

3042
02:56:59,200 --> 02:57:01,480
Speaker 1: incredibly obviously being tortured, like there's just there's marks a

3043
02:57:01,560 --> 02:57:05,400
Speaker 1: lover's body, like his his face is destroyed, and the

3044
02:57:05,440 --> 02:57:08,640
Speaker 1: prosecutor sends him back to Burge, who tortures him more.

3045
02:57:10,440 --> 02:57:13,199
Speaker 1: And but by the time Burge is done with him,

3046
02:57:13,200 --> 02:57:17,039
Speaker 1: Wilson is so visibly fucked up that the police lock

3047
02:57:17,160 --> 02:57:19,760
Speaker 1: up keeper like takes a look at it, like takes

3048
02:57:19,760 --> 02:57:21,160
Speaker 1: one look at him and goes, I'm not going to

3049
02:57:21,200 --> 02:57:22,600
Speaker 1: be a part of this and refuses to put him

3050
02:57:22,600 --> 02:57:25,920
Speaker 1: in lock up. Uh Cook Cook County Jails like Director

3051
02:57:25,959 --> 02:57:29,760
Speaker 1: of Medical Services um sends a letter going like, this

3052
02:57:29,800 --> 02:57:33,520
Speaker 1: man was tortured to the police. We found a human being. Yeah, yeah,

3053
02:57:33,560 --> 02:57:36,240
Speaker 1: well you know, and it's like every one, once, every like,

3054
02:57:37,040 --> 02:57:39,640
Speaker 1: I don't know, maybe like a hundred pages of reading

3055
02:57:39,680 --> 02:57:41,960
Speaker 1: about this, you find one person who is a normal

3056
02:57:42,000 --> 02:57:46,320
Speaker 1: human being. Unfortunately, the state's attorney, instead of prosecuting Burge

3057
02:57:46,360 --> 02:57:49,320
Speaker 1: for again attaching attaching a man's balls to a hand

3058
02:57:49,360 --> 02:57:53,440
Speaker 1: create generator and then electrocuting him. Uh, the state prosecutor

3059
02:57:53,480 --> 02:57:58,840
Speaker 1: and the police superintendent both publicly congratulate Birds for his work. Yeah,

3060
02:57:58,959 --> 02:58:01,000
Speaker 1: and Andrew Wilson me WI died in prison in two

3061
02:58:01,240 --> 02:58:11,760
Speaker 1: seven because this world is just the worst. Yeah. Now,

3062
02:58:12,120 --> 02:58:14,440
Speaker 1: you might be asking yourself, how does he get away

3063
02:58:14,480 --> 02:58:17,120
Speaker 1: with this? And the answer is that the CPD is

3064
02:58:17,160 --> 02:58:20,680
Speaker 1: complicit in burges torture at literally every level. Every attempt

3065
02:58:20,720 --> 02:58:23,360
Speaker 1: to stop Burge is derailed directly by the departments. And

3066
02:58:23,400 --> 02:58:26,400
Speaker 1: not only is he not stopped, he's repeatedly praised and

3067
02:58:26,440 --> 02:58:32,680
Speaker 1: promoted for his actions. And yeah, I mean that's that's

3068
02:58:32,680 --> 02:58:36,440
Speaker 1: how it goes. Yep. It's it's great, it's it's it's

3069
02:58:37,560 --> 02:58:40,840
Speaker 1: an institutionalized system of torture, rape, and murder that yeah,

3070
02:58:41,760 --> 02:58:45,080
Speaker 1: it's like that we have us a little abo grade,

3071
02:58:45,720 --> 02:58:48,360
Speaker 1: but yeah, I don't worry. We will well, I guess

3072
02:58:48,360 --> 02:58:50,800
Speaker 1: we won't actually get tob with grades specifically, but I

3073
02:58:50,800 --> 02:58:51,920
Speaker 1: can I can do, I can I can do an

3074
02:58:52,000 --> 02:58:55,240
Speaker 1: up grave tie in at the end of this part. So,

3075
02:58:56,480 --> 02:58:59,560
Speaker 1: the CPD has something they call the Code of Silence,

3076
02:58:59,600 --> 02:59:03,040
Speaker 1: And we'll talk about this more later, but basically, the

3077
02:59:03,360 --> 02:59:05,200
Speaker 1: core of the Code of Silence is that just no

3078
02:59:05,240 --> 02:59:08,320
Speaker 1: matter what crimes, what atrocities, what just inhuman pig horrors

3079
02:59:08,360 --> 02:59:12,040
Speaker 1: you see cops committing, you stay silent. Now. This code

3080
02:59:12,360 --> 02:59:14,320
Speaker 1: you know, it's it's it's a code that everyone sort

3081
02:59:14,320 --> 02:59:17,080
Speaker 1: of knows right in the police, but it's also directly

3082
02:59:17,200 --> 02:59:21,320
Speaker 1: enforced um and and it's enforced by the stuff Burge

3083
02:59:21,320 --> 02:59:23,360
Speaker 1: would you do, like just to other cops, Like he

3084
02:59:23,520 --> 02:59:25,120
Speaker 1: he would do things like if there was a cop

3085
02:59:25,160 --> 02:59:27,680
Speaker 1: who was like unhappy with him, he would like walk

3086
02:59:27,760 --> 02:59:29,600
Speaker 1: up behind them when they're opening a file cabinet and

3087
02:59:29,640 --> 02:59:31,039
Speaker 1: point a gun at their head and then go like

3088
02:59:31,160 --> 02:59:34,120
Speaker 1: bang and then do this like a thing that I

3089
02:59:34,120 --> 02:59:36,680
Speaker 1: can really only describe as a supervillain monologue about how

3090
02:59:36,800 --> 02:59:39,920
Speaker 1: like the projects are a dangerous place. Maybe you're gonna

3091
02:59:39,920 --> 02:59:43,960
Speaker 1: turn up dead. It's he also he has these street

3092
02:59:44,000 --> 02:59:47,240
Speaker 1: files that he keeps on like other cops families, so

3093
02:59:47,320 --> 02:59:50,560
Speaker 1: that if another cop like goes after him, he can

3094
02:59:50,600 --> 02:59:53,959
Speaker 1: have their family arrested and then plant evidence on them.

3095
02:59:53,080 --> 02:59:58,320
Speaker 1: Yeah that makes sense. Yeah, it's it's like, you know,

3096
02:59:58,440 --> 03:00:00,880
Speaker 1: like in a certain like he's doing this to their cops,

3097
03:00:01,680 --> 03:00:03,560
Speaker 1: and it's like, well, okay, like you know what, like

3098
03:00:03,600 --> 03:00:08,800
Speaker 1: what what possible? Like system of of of accountability quote

3099
03:00:08,879 --> 03:00:11,160
Speaker 1: on court or police reform is like ever going to

3100
03:00:11,240 --> 03:00:13,039
Speaker 1: do anything to a guy who will just do this

3101
03:00:13,120 --> 03:00:18,520
Speaker 1: two cops like and you know with the CPD actively

3102
03:00:18,520 --> 03:00:20,360
Speaker 1: backing hup there, there's there's nothing that can stop Burge.

3103
03:00:20,760 --> 03:00:23,120
Speaker 1: And I should mention here that there's persistent rumors that

3104
03:00:23,160 --> 03:00:27,400
Speaker 1: Burge as a klansmen um I I couldn't find like

3105
03:00:27,560 --> 03:00:30,200
Speaker 1: firm confirmation of it. He's he's certainly racist enough, but

3106
03:00:30,200 --> 03:00:32,039
Speaker 1: but I think, yeah, but like why would he why

3107
03:00:32,080 --> 03:00:35,480
Speaker 1: would he spend like That's that feels like almost he

3108
03:00:35,480 --> 03:00:37,400
Speaker 1: would be like why would I waste my time doing that,

3109
03:00:37,480 --> 03:00:40,240
Speaker 1: like talking about being racist when I can go out

3110
03:00:40,240 --> 03:00:43,520
Speaker 1: and torture people because I'm a racist every day, Like

3111
03:00:43,840 --> 03:00:46,720
Speaker 1: the clan already got it going on. Yeah, and I

3112
03:00:46,760 --> 03:00:49,040
Speaker 1: think it's sometimes like, yeah, the question is immaterial. He

3113
03:00:49,320 --> 03:00:51,720
Speaker 1: is a member of the Chicago Police Department and organization

3114
03:00:51,800 --> 03:00:53,959
Speaker 1: is systematic racial terror, the likes of which the modern

3115
03:00:54,000 --> 03:00:57,800
Speaker 1: Clan can only dream of. Yeah whatever, Yeah, Yeah, it's

3116
03:00:57,840 --> 03:01:01,160
Speaker 1: like who cares he's he's he's jumped. Honestly, if he

3117
03:01:01,200 --> 03:01:03,760
Speaker 1: were spending time at clanmatings, at least he wouldn't be

3118
03:01:03,800 --> 03:01:10,560
Speaker 1: torturing people during time. Yeah, it's yeah, well, love love

3119
03:01:10,640 --> 03:01:13,480
Speaker 1: your police. When if he was a klansman that might

3120
03:01:13,480 --> 03:01:16,160
Speaker 1: have been slightly better. That's the big thing with like

3121
03:01:16,240 --> 03:01:19,359
Speaker 1: this type of like liberal response to the type of extremism.

3122
03:01:19,360 --> 03:01:22,000
Speaker 1: It's like they only view it as a problem if

3123
03:01:22,040 --> 03:01:26,080
Speaker 1: you're like explicitly part of this, you know, Like it's

3124
03:01:26,160 --> 03:01:30,000
Speaker 1: like very obvious to everyone white nationalist group. Right, they

3125
03:01:30,000 --> 03:01:32,119
Speaker 1: can watch a cop do all these horrible things. It's

3126
03:01:32,120 --> 03:01:34,080
Speaker 1: fine because that's just a cop. But if he's a

3127
03:01:34,080 --> 03:01:37,840
Speaker 1: clan member, then that's a problem. Like they can excuse

3128
03:01:37,879 --> 03:01:41,320
Speaker 1: all this horrible torture and not really be concerned about it.

3129
03:01:41,400 --> 03:01:43,680
Speaker 1: But if but if he had a robe in his closet,

3130
03:01:44,000 --> 03:01:46,879
Speaker 1: then it's suddenly this big issue. It's like no, like

3131
03:01:47,160 --> 03:01:49,600
Speaker 1: the issues that he was doing all this torture anyway,

3132
03:01:49,640 --> 03:01:52,520
Speaker 1: and he doesn't like this. You don't need to focus

3133
03:01:52,560 --> 03:01:57,080
Speaker 1: on like just the like just that identity, like that

3134
03:01:57,160 --> 03:02:01,200
Speaker 1: weird identity aspect of it. You. Yeah, the clan is

3135
03:02:01,280 --> 03:02:05,000
Speaker 1: old enough, and where's a uniform that is distinct enough

3136
03:02:05,080 --> 03:02:08,480
Speaker 1: that everybody recognizes is it as racist? Even though the

3137
03:02:08,560 --> 03:02:12,600
Speaker 1: Chicago Police Department is actually much more of a threat

3138
03:02:13,120 --> 03:02:16,000
Speaker 1: in terms of racism than the clan today, uh and

3139
03:02:16,200 --> 03:02:18,320
Speaker 1: was at that point in time. But you know, they're

3140
03:02:18,320 --> 03:02:21,119
Speaker 1: the cops, and if you're a suburban white liberal, they're

3141
03:02:21,160 --> 03:02:24,000
Speaker 1: there too, you know, help help keep your lawn safe

3142
03:02:24,080 --> 03:02:26,280
Speaker 1: or whatever. Um, So you don't you don't see them

3143
03:02:26,320 --> 03:02:31,760
Speaker 1: as the same inherently racial organization exactly, even though they are. Yeah,

3144
03:02:31,760 --> 03:02:33,560
Speaker 1: and even though I mean they're dragging people out of

3145
03:02:33,560 --> 03:02:37,760
Speaker 1: their homes and like just electrocuting them, like this is

3146
03:02:39,080 --> 03:02:40,400
Speaker 1: you know, this is this something also that I was

3147
03:02:40,440 --> 03:02:42,160
Speaker 1: very annoyed about when I was reading this was like

3148
03:02:42,680 --> 03:02:44,240
Speaker 1: you you read a lot of this stuff and then

3149
03:02:44,320 --> 03:02:46,760
Speaker 1: and you'll you'll get descriptions of it that are like, ah,

3150
03:02:46,800 --> 03:02:49,320
Speaker 1: this is something that like only happens in the pressure regimes,

3151
03:02:49,320 --> 03:02:52,080
Speaker 1: like Kazakhstan, and it's like, have you read anything about

3152
03:02:52,080 --> 03:02:55,120
Speaker 1: picture of the US Like this is like yeah, like

3153
03:02:55,160 --> 03:02:59,320
Speaker 1: we have officers over to other countries that often teach

3154
03:02:59,360 --> 03:03:02,160
Speaker 1: their police to do ship like this. That happens. But

3155
03:03:02,280 --> 03:03:05,199
Speaker 1: like when you were describing a whole bunch of stuff

3156
03:03:05,240 --> 03:03:07,879
Speaker 1: in the past, like you know, twenty minutes, I was

3157
03:03:07,920 --> 03:03:10,000
Speaker 1: thinking in my head and like, oh, yeah, this is

3158
03:03:10,040 --> 03:03:12,640
Speaker 1: just like stormtrooper ship. But the thing is it isn't

3159
03:03:12,760 --> 03:03:16,240
Speaker 1: like this just is copshit, and like, like the thing

3160
03:03:16,320 --> 03:03:19,520
Speaker 1: like the fact that like elevating it in my brain

3161
03:03:19,680 --> 03:03:22,800
Speaker 1: to it being like something other than cops is incorrect.

3162
03:03:22,840 --> 03:03:25,640
Speaker 1: You know, like this just is police stuff. It's not

3163
03:03:25,840 --> 03:03:28,840
Speaker 1: it's not necessarily stormtrooper ship. It's just is police ship.

3164
03:03:29,240 --> 03:03:31,600
Speaker 1: And the fact that those things are so synonymous that

3165
03:03:31,600 --> 03:03:34,680
Speaker 1: should be the part that's actually like upsetting is that yeah,

3166
03:03:34,720 --> 03:03:37,720
Speaker 1: it's actually there is really no difference and you shouldn't

3167
03:03:37,760 --> 03:03:41,360
Speaker 1: necessarily resort to calling it stormtrooper stuff because it is

3168
03:03:41,440 --> 03:03:44,560
Speaker 1: just what the police do all the time. There's this

3169
03:03:44,560 --> 03:03:46,560
Speaker 1: whole model you see people talking about it where they

3170
03:03:46,560 --> 03:03:49,640
Speaker 1: talk about like like the police are using unnecessary force

3171
03:03:50,320 --> 03:03:52,400
Speaker 1: and like they're there there there's like a certain threshold

3172
03:03:52,440 --> 03:03:55,440
Speaker 1: where if you go past it, like you know, sort

3173
03:03:55,440 --> 03:03:57,039
Speaker 1: of like like even you know, like I'm Gonna'm gonna

3174
03:03:57,080 --> 03:03:59,080
Speaker 1: read like that Birch has a lot of like when

3175
03:03:59,240 --> 03:04:02,200
Speaker 1: he winds up in court, like the judges look at

3176
03:04:02,240 --> 03:04:04,120
Speaker 1: this and are like, oh my god, this is unacceptable.

3177
03:04:04,120 --> 03:04:06,720
Speaker 1: How could this have happened? And you know, you get

3178
03:04:06,760 --> 03:04:09,080
Speaker 1: some good descriptions of it. I'm gonna this is a

3179
03:04:09,120 --> 03:04:11,039
Speaker 1: district judge court describing what Birds was doing. In the

3180
03:04:11,040 --> 03:04:14,280
Speaker 1: early eighties, there existed, in two in the City of

3181
03:04:14,320 --> 03:04:17,160
Speaker 1: Chicago a de facto policy practice and or custom of

3182
03:04:17,200 --> 03:04:21,879
Speaker 1: Chicago police officers exacting unconstitutional revenge and punishment against persons

3183
03:04:21,879 --> 03:04:24,959
Speaker 1: who they alleged had killed or injured a fellow officer.

3184
03:04:25,280 --> 03:04:29,080
Speaker 1: This revenge and punishment included beating, kicking, torturing, shooting, and

3185
03:04:29,280 --> 03:04:31,879
Speaker 1: or executing such a person for the purpose of inflicting pain,

3186
03:04:31,879 --> 03:04:34,520
Speaker 1: to injury and punishment on that person, and also for

3187
03:04:34,560 --> 03:04:37,199
Speaker 1: the purpose of forcing that person to make it. Coupled

3188
03:04:37,400 --> 03:04:44,960
Speaker 1: tory statements exculpatory yeah, sculptor yeah, or inculpatory yeah yeah yeah.

3189
03:04:46,160 --> 03:04:48,040
Speaker 1: You know, and you you get stuff like there's there's

3190
03:04:48,080 --> 03:04:50,720
Speaker 1: there's an FBI report than from the chagol tepe you're

3191
03:04:50,760 --> 03:04:55,480
Speaker 1: not going to read because it's he left one bullet

3192
03:04:55,480 --> 03:04:57,520
Speaker 1: in the center and the cylinder and spun it. A

3193
03:04:57,600 --> 03:05:00,320
Speaker 1: report quoted the inmate is saying about burg in the

3194
03:05:00,400 --> 03:05:04,280
Speaker 1: nineteen incident. He then said, you talk, will blow your

3195
03:05:04,320 --> 03:05:10,200
Speaker 1: black expert presumably the N word brains out. Bergs then

3196
03:05:10,240 --> 03:05:12,320
Speaker 1: got up from his desk, walked over to the inmate,

3197
03:05:12,400 --> 03:05:14,400
Speaker 1: put the muzzle of the revolver against the center of

3198
03:05:14,440 --> 03:05:17,360
Speaker 1: the inmate's forehead and pulled the trigger. He spun the

3199
03:05:17,400 --> 03:05:20,040
Speaker 1: cylinder and placed it back against his forehead and pulled

3200
03:05:20,080 --> 03:05:26,000
Speaker 1: the trigger again. So yeah, he's just playing Russian Roulette

3201
03:05:26,200 --> 03:05:31,080
Speaker 1: with people, Like he's playing and I don't, I don't yeh. Yeah,

3202
03:05:31,600 --> 03:05:34,959
Speaker 1: well he's pulling up one in the sixth chance of

3203
03:05:35,000 --> 03:05:40,600
Speaker 1: murdering them. They are in terror. Uh. There's also a

3204
03:05:40,680 --> 03:05:44,199
Speaker 1: lot of like he does like you sexually abuses people.

3205
03:05:44,640 --> 03:05:50,160
Speaker 1: He like after testicles. Yeah, he he like he electrocuted

3206
03:05:50,200 --> 03:05:52,400
Speaker 1: like well, I mean he's also like is like like

3207
03:05:52,920 --> 03:05:57,000
Speaker 1: basically like raping people. Um, he like electrocut is a

3208
03:05:57,040 --> 03:06:00,240
Speaker 1: thirteen year old child. And you know this is like

3209
03:06:03,280 --> 03:06:06,080
Speaker 1: it's it's it's just so bleak that like I mean

3210
03:06:06,120 --> 03:06:08,040
Speaker 1: there's so there's a very famous article about this by

3211
03:06:08,120 --> 03:06:11,800
Speaker 1: Chicago journalist's called the House of Screams. But you know,

3212
03:06:12,040 --> 03:06:14,080
Speaker 1: like like Burge isn't the only guy doing this, Like

3213
03:06:14,560 --> 03:06:17,640
Speaker 1: one of his loyalists is is lieutenant like is a

3214
03:06:17,640 --> 03:06:20,560
Speaker 1: guy named Byron. He's like in charge of the midnight

3215
03:06:20,600 --> 03:06:23,920
Speaker 1: shift at at the area True violent Crimes. And they

3216
03:06:24,000 --> 03:06:26,360
Speaker 1: become known internally as burgess ask kickers at the A

3217
03:06:26,520 --> 03:06:29,920
Speaker 1: team because this is just who these people are culturally.

3218
03:06:30,120 --> 03:06:37,440
Speaker 1: And yeah, sure sure, but yeah, um, these guys start

3219
03:06:37,680 --> 03:06:41,880
Speaker 1: uh like putting like guns and prisoners mouths, but they

3220
03:06:41,920 --> 03:06:43,560
Speaker 1: have one thing where they stick a shotgun in a

3221
03:06:43,560 --> 03:06:45,760
Speaker 1: guy's mouth and they pull the trigger and it's not loaded,

3222
03:06:45,760 --> 03:06:48,519
Speaker 1: but they just like they keep doing this thing. Yeah,

3223
03:06:48,560 --> 03:06:52,800
Speaker 1: it's it's that is by the way, illegal in international law,

3224
03:06:52,879 --> 03:06:55,920
Speaker 1: Like internationally, that is a war crime if you're military

3225
03:06:55,959 --> 03:07:00,160
Speaker 1: to specifically, fake executions are type of torture and a

3226
03:07:00,560 --> 03:07:03,600
Speaker 1: war crime under international law based on treaties the United

3227
03:07:03,600 --> 03:07:07,960
Speaker 1: States has signed. Yeah, and and Byron also, so he

3228
03:07:08,040 --> 03:07:10,080
Speaker 1: does that a lot. And then that same guy, the

3229
03:07:10,080 --> 03:07:13,400
Speaker 1: same guy the shotgun thing too, he apparently didn't have

3230
03:07:13,440 --> 03:07:15,320
Speaker 1: the box, so he stripped the dude and shocked his

3231
03:07:15,320 --> 03:07:17,600
Speaker 1: balls with a cattle prod And this is the guy

3232
03:07:17,640 --> 03:07:20,279
Speaker 1: who lorried Lightfoot sent her number two lawyer to defend

3233
03:07:20,280 --> 03:07:24,520
Speaker 1: in court by arguing the torture it never happens. Yeah,

3234
03:07:25,360 --> 03:07:29,200
Speaker 1: that's that's that's that's ability. Yep, that's the mayor of

3235
03:07:29,240 --> 03:07:33,280
Speaker 1: my city now life Lightfoot. Light Foot is on the

3236
03:07:33,320 --> 03:07:36,800
Speaker 1: record as saying that birds tortured over a hundred people.

3237
03:07:37,040 --> 03:07:39,440
Speaker 1: But once it came to you know, actually putting up

3238
03:07:39,520 --> 03:07:41,640
Speaker 1: or shutting up, she just goes to back for the cops.

3239
03:07:41,800 --> 03:07:44,720
Speaker 1: And and this happens in Chicago like so many times

3240
03:07:44,720 --> 03:07:46,520
Speaker 1: with people who used to be like who you know

3241
03:07:46,520 --> 03:07:49,280
Speaker 1: who who In the moment you're like, oh, Birge did torture.

3242
03:07:49,360 --> 03:07:50,879
Speaker 1: We need to reform the police. And as you know,

3243
03:07:50,879 --> 03:07:53,120
Speaker 1: the women they get into power, they do this stuff.

3244
03:07:53,200 --> 03:07:55,680
Speaker 1: I mean there there's there's a bunch of like incredibly

3245
03:07:55,760 --> 03:08:01,160
Speaker 1: weird stuff that happens here. Like so that the Seventh

3246
03:08:01,200 --> 03:08:03,960
Speaker 1: Circuit Court of Appeals at one point, so soul A,

3247
03:08:04,240 --> 03:08:07,680
Speaker 1: like they saw a case over whether a one thousand

3248
03:08:07,680 --> 03:08:12,120
Speaker 1: dollar settlement with a torture victim was fair and christ Yeah,

3249
03:08:13,600 --> 03:08:16,600
Speaker 1: in court it's like you read the transcas and it's

3250
03:08:16,600 --> 03:08:19,960
Speaker 1: like it's it's the most brutal demolishing of like a

3251
03:08:20,080 --> 03:08:24,000
Speaker 1: state's argument I've ever seen. Like they're they're, they're just

3252
03:08:24,040 --> 03:08:26,480
Speaker 1: like in court asking them like okay, like we're we're,

3253
03:08:26,520 --> 03:08:29,800
Speaker 1: we're this person's judges supposed to have like known in

3254
03:08:29,879 --> 03:08:32,280
Speaker 1: court that he was also torturing other people. And like

3255
03:08:32,480 --> 03:08:36,240
Speaker 1: it's you know, the courts just like you know, they're

3256
03:08:36,240 --> 03:08:38,440
Speaker 1: turning him apart. And then when it comes time to

3257
03:08:38,480 --> 03:08:41,600
Speaker 1: decide the case, uh, the court tosses the case out

3258
03:08:41,600 --> 03:08:47,160
Speaker 1: inside with the state. Wow. Yeah, I don't know what's

3259
03:08:47,160 --> 03:08:53,760
Speaker 1: going on there. It's awful. Yep, this this topic. I

3260
03:08:53,800 --> 03:08:56,240
Speaker 1: mean that that is the thing about the way the

3261
03:08:56,280 --> 03:08:58,959
Speaker 1: whole system works, which is that, you know, the police

3262
03:08:59,040 --> 03:09:02,480
Speaker 1: do horrific things. In Chicago, they torture, in Los Angeles,

3263
03:09:02,560 --> 03:09:04,520
Speaker 1: they have Nazi gangs. You know, there's a bunch of

3264
03:09:04,520 --> 03:09:07,360
Speaker 1: different horrible ship the police do. And then at some

3265
03:09:07,440 --> 03:09:10,000
Speaker 1: point the FBI and the Justice Department come in and

3266
03:09:10,040 --> 03:09:14,680
Speaker 1: they provide incredibly They send in very talented investigators who

3267
03:09:14,680 --> 03:09:17,600
Speaker 1: produced incredibly detailed lists of all of the things that

3268
03:09:17,640 --> 03:09:20,080
Speaker 1: are being done. And then the court says, well, but

3269
03:09:20,120 --> 03:09:22,959
Speaker 1: nobody's gonna get punished or maybe this one guy will

3270
03:09:23,000 --> 03:09:25,560
Speaker 1: get punished and then we'll go on back to doing things,

3271
03:09:25,640 --> 03:09:28,280
Speaker 1: and that's the system is supposed to work. Although we're

3272
03:09:28,320 --> 03:09:30,200
Speaker 1: we're going to read a story about the FBI not

3273
03:09:30,400 --> 03:09:34,040
Speaker 1: doing that in the next episode. So yeah, I mean

3274
03:09:34,080 --> 03:09:36,920
Speaker 1: they don't know. We don't always get a report. Yeah,

3275
03:09:37,120 --> 03:09:40,720
Speaker 1: I just I have become increased, Like it's very frustrating

3276
03:09:40,760 --> 03:09:44,200
Speaker 1: because having these FBI reports on police abuses um is

3277
03:09:44,320 --> 03:09:46,680
Speaker 1: useful again for talking to liberals because they tend to

3278
03:09:46,680 --> 03:09:49,800
Speaker 1: trust the FBI. But it's also like, boy, I've read

3279
03:09:49,840 --> 03:09:52,400
Speaker 1: a lot of detailed FBI reports about how bad police

3280
03:09:52,440 --> 03:09:54,720
Speaker 1: departments are, and it seems like nothing ever gets done.

3281
03:09:55,080 --> 03:09:56,960
Speaker 1: Like it seems like they just write a thing saying yeah,

3282
03:09:56,959 --> 03:10:02,120
Speaker 1: it's bad, and then everything continues forever and it's you know,

3283
03:10:02,560 --> 03:10:07,440
Speaker 1: this this case. Like so the reason we even know

3284
03:10:07,480 --> 03:10:09,680
Speaker 1: any of this is through what I like, what what

3285
03:10:09,760 --> 03:10:13,160
Speaker 1: I will say, like the a genuinely heroic, decades long

3286
03:10:13,160 --> 03:10:15,200
Speaker 1: campaign run by the People's Law Office on behalf of

3287
03:10:15,240 --> 03:10:18,400
Speaker 1: birde victims and these people, like they say people's lives

3288
03:10:18,440 --> 03:10:21,440
Speaker 1: like that there are people who birdge tortured, who ended

3289
03:10:21,520 --> 03:10:24,400
Speaker 1: up on death row for it, and you know, like

3290
03:10:24,640 --> 03:10:26,560
Speaker 1: this stuff is so bad that when it comes out,

3291
03:10:26,600 --> 03:10:29,240
Speaker 1: the Supreme Court does a ruling on it and it

3292
03:10:29,360 --> 03:10:31,800
Speaker 1: like establishes new precedents for like how people can prove

3293
03:10:31,800 --> 03:10:34,920
Speaker 1: they've been tortured. Like you know, it's so bad that

3294
03:10:34,959 --> 03:10:37,760
Speaker 1: like Illinois stops running the death pet like we had

3295
03:10:37,760 --> 03:10:39,320
Speaker 1: the death penalty and like we still tend to get

3296
03:10:39,360 --> 03:10:41,280
Speaker 1: ethic have it, but like we just stopped doing it,

3297
03:10:41,320 --> 03:10:44,879
Speaker 1: Like we stopped we stopped executing people because like a

3298
03:10:44,920 --> 03:10:49,840
Speaker 1: Republican governor, like on air, gave a giant thing about

3299
03:10:49,879 --> 03:10:53,039
Speaker 1: how this system was broken and like this is this

3300
03:10:53,080 --> 03:10:56,240
Speaker 1: is John Ryan, right, like this is a man who

3301
03:10:56,520 --> 03:10:58,640
Speaker 1: like he he is like this is a man who

3302
03:10:58,680 --> 03:11:01,760
Speaker 1: was corrupted by the standards of of of an Illinois politician.

3303
03:11:02,160 --> 03:11:05,440
Speaker 1: And even he like on the air, is like yeah,

3304
03:11:05,520 --> 03:11:07,840
Speaker 1: this is like you know that this is this is broken.

3305
03:11:07,879 --> 03:11:12,360
Speaker 1: He he pardons some Burge victims, and in nine three,

3306
03:11:12,400 --> 03:11:15,560
Speaker 1: faced with just irrefutable evidence of torture and ruling multiple

3307
03:11:15,640 --> 03:11:19,440
Speaker 1: higher ports higher courts, the Police Board finally released a report,

3308
03:11:20,400 --> 03:11:23,560
Speaker 1: although the report also doesn't call it torture and is

3309
03:11:23,720 --> 03:11:26,920
Speaker 1: a disaster that they finally have Burge fired and some

3310
03:11:26,959 --> 03:11:29,280
Speaker 1: of his colleagues who were also torturing people get suspended

3311
03:11:29,280 --> 03:11:33,640
Speaker 1: for fifteen months, but Burge isn't prosecuted for, you know,

3312
03:11:33,800 --> 03:11:36,200
Speaker 1: the crimes that we have multiple reports of him doing

3313
03:11:36,280 --> 03:11:40,560
Speaker 1: until two after the victims literally go to the United

3314
03:11:40,640 --> 03:11:43,960
Speaker 1: Nations with a campaign and go in front of the

3315
03:11:44,040 --> 03:11:45,840
Speaker 1: United Nations and talk about how they are being systemically

3316
03:11:45,879 --> 03:11:48,400
Speaker 1: tortured by the Chicago Police Department. But of course by

3317
03:11:48,520 --> 03:11:51,040
Speaker 1: two the statute of limitations on his crimes had run out,

3318
03:11:51,160 --> 03:11:53,520
Speaker 1: so uh, he winds up going to jail for three

3319
03:11:54,920 --> 03:11:57,320
Speaker 1: limitations on torture. Yeah, that's definitely one of the ones

3320
03:11:57,320 --> 03:11:59,800
Speaker 1: we should have a cap Yeah, definitely. It's great. It's

3321
03:11:59,800 --> 03:12:02,640
Speaker 1: it's it's the great system. Um. I'm going to read

3322
03:12:02,680 --> 03:12:04,920
Speaker 1: something from the Chocolate Tribune that was a description of

3323
03:12:04,920 --> 03:12:08,240
Speaker 1: of this. Uh quote. While the jury was out, Burge,

3324
03:12:08,280 --> 03:12:11,360
Speaker 1: still unrepentant, allegedly asked the courtroom reserve or whether you

3325
03:12:11,400 --> 03:12:14,080
Speaker 1: thought the jury would quote believe a bunch of n words.

3326
03:12:14,640 --> 03:12:20,920
Speaker 1: Wow day, Yeah, it's amazing Burge Bridge tortured at least

3327
03:12:20,920 --> 03:12:23,120
Speaker 1: a hundred and twenty five people. That's almost certainly an

3328
03:12:23,200 --> 03:12:25,400
Speaker 1: under account. Undred twenty five is the number of people

3329
03:12:25,600 --> 03:12:28,160
Speaker 1: who we have who have come forward. A lot of

3330
03:12:28,200 --> 03:12:30,480
Speaker 1: those people probably have like people he tortured have probably

3331
03:12:30,560 --> 03:12:34,720
Speaker 1: died by now. Um, yeah, I mean yeah, you'll never

3332
03:12:34,760 --> 03:12:36,720
Speaker 1: will never get an accurate account of all the people

3333
03:12:36,760 --> 03:12:39,959
Speaker 1: who were Yeah, and and Burge died a freeman and

3334
03:12:39,959 --> 03:12:43,160
Speaker 1: has never served a day for his actual crimes. Now,

3335
03:12:43,560 --> 03:12:45,720
Speaker 1: Burge and his crew are the most famous of the

3336
03:12:45,879 --> 03:12:48,760
Speaker 1: eighties and seventies and eighties torturers, but they're by no

3337
03:12:48,840 --> 03:12:50,959
Speaker 1: means the the only one. And we're gonna talk about

3338
03:12:51,000 --> 03:12:54,000
Speaker 1: one more in this torture section. Uh if you do

3339
03:12:54,120 --> 03:12:58,440
Speaker 1: you know Richard Zuli? Mm hmm okay, so yeah, Zulie's

3340
03:12:58,879 --> 03:13:00,560
Speaker 1: Zulie is the one that people tell not to know.

3341
03:13:00,800 --> 03:13:03,560
Speaker 1: M Zuli was also a Vietnam War vet. He becomes

3342
03:13:03,600 --> 03:13:06,920
Speaker 1: a detective in nine. Um, what's he thinking about him?

3343
03:13:07,080 --> 03:13:10,280
Speaker 1: Zuli is never part of Burgess Cadre. Right, Burgess Cadres

3344
03:13:10,400 --> 03:13:12,440
Speaker 1: working out Verrea two. They're on the south side. They're

3345
03:13:12,480 --> 03:13:15,560
Speaker 1: in an overwhelmingly black part of the south Side. Zuli

3346
03:13:15,640 --> 03:13:17,880
Speaker 1: works in areas three and six on the north side.

3347
03:13:18,520 --> 03:13:20,240
Speaker 1: You know what, what what I want need to mention

3348
03:13:20,280 --> 03:13:22,400
Speaker 1: off the bat is that Zuli is no less racist

3349
03:13:22,480 --> 03:13:24,840
Speaker 1: than Burge is. He wants to rested a black dude

3350
03:13:24,879 --> 03:13:27,480
Speaker 1: for just like having a car and wearing a watch

3351
03:13:27,959 --> 03:13:31,360
Speaker 1: and like like those are both felonies in the city

3352
03:13:31,360 --> 03:13:33,920
Speaker 1: of Chicago. Right, Well, if you famously never know what

3353
03:13:33,959 --> 03:13:37,000
Speaker 1: time it is because you're a law abiding citizen. Yeah,

3354
03:13:37,040 --> 03:13:40,080
Speaker 1: well law abiding cit isn't And also don't be black

3355
03:13:40,120 --> 03:13:45,560
Speaker 1: while doing this because yeah, he throws him in a cell. Yeah,

3356
03:13:45,560 --> 03:13:49,120
Speaker 1: well it gets it gets you. Zuli screaming no end

3357
03:13:49,120 --> 03:13:52,720
Speaker 1: word is supposed to live like this? Oh boy, oh boy,

3358
03:13:53,879 --> 03:13:58,119
Speaker 1: it's you know we we people like talk about cops

3359
03:13:58,520 --> 03:14:02,200
Speaker 1: doing stuff for that reason. It's it's you know, they're

3360
03:14:02,320 --> 03:14:05,280
Speaker 1: so racist. Just get a direct quote. Ye, yeah, Like

3361
03:14:06,040 --> 03:14:10,840
Speaker 1: I can't emphasize it, Like they're just they're so racist.

3362
03:14:10,920 --> 03:14:14,120
Speaker 1: It's like ingrained into the d like the cop d NA. Yeah,

3363
03:14:14,120 --> 03:14:16,800
Speaker 1: they're just saying the loud part loud. Yeah, like they're

3364
03:14:16,840 --> 03:14:18,840
Speaker 1: just scribby like that. We're going to do with One

3365
03:14:18,840 --> 03:14:20,520
Speaker 1: of the things in the next episode is the cops

3366
03:14:20,560 --> 03:14:22,680
Speaker 1: will just drive around like blasting the end. We're out

3367
03:14:22,680 --> 03:14:28,040
Speaker 1: of their out of their like cops stereos. Because yeah,

3368
03:14:28,200 --> 03:14:30,480
Speaker 1: now Zuli in a lot of ways is a more

3369
03:14:30,520 --> 03:14:33,360
Speaker 1: modern torture than birdges. You know, Birch is very big

3370
03:14:33,400 --> 03:14:35,600
Speaker 1: on your like overt physical violence. Right, you're beating your

3371
03:14:35,640 --> 03:14:38,640
Speaker 1: execution is suffocation. The problem with these techniques from a

3372
03:14:38,640 --> 03:14:41,680
Speaker 1: torture of perspectives that they leave incredibly obvious marks. And

3373
03:14:41,720 --> 03:14:43,920
Speaker 1: you know, this is how birde goes down, right, It's

3374
03:14:43,959 --> 03:14:45,720
Speaker 1: it's it's too obvious what he's doing. There are people

3375
03:14:45,760 --> 03:14:47,680
Speaker 1: who can just like show up to a court and

3376
03:14:47,720 --> 03:14:50,120
Speaker 1: be like, hey, look at my neck, like here are

3377
03:14:50,040 --> 03:14:53,840
Speaker 1: all these burns. Zuli is much smarter about it. Um,

3378
03:14:53,879 --> 03:14:55,600
Speaker 1: you know she I mean, she does some beatings because

3379
03:14:55,600 --> 03:14:57,840
Speaker 1: cops are literally animals and are incapable of resisting the

3380
03:14:57,920 --> 03:14:59,560
Speaker 1: urge to beat the living shout of anyone who falls

3381
03:14:59,560 --> 03:15:02,640
Speaker 1: into their ground up. But you know, mostly what he

3382
03:15:02,680 --> 03:15:05,160
Speaker 1: does is he does things like he'll just shackle someone

3383
03:15:05,200 --> 03:15:08,240
Speaker 1: to a wall for twenty four hours and you know,

3384
03:15:08,280 --> 03:15:10,400
Speaker 1: and he'll be like, okay, like I'm gonna shock you

3385
03:15:10,440 --> 03:15:12,040
Speaker 1: to this wall and until you sign this confession, I

3386
03:15:12,040 --> 03:15:13,960
Speaker 1: won't let you leave. And also you can't talk to anyone.

3387
03:15:14,000 --> 03:15:16,959
Speaker 1: You can't talk to you lawyer, you can't talk to uh, like,

3388
03:15:17,000 --> 03:15:19,280
Speaker 1: you can't talk to your family. And in the next

3389
03:15:19,280 --> 03:15:21,760
Speaker 1: episode we're gonnay this. This This is how modern CPD torture works,

3390
03:15:21,760 --> 03:15:24,600
Speaker 1: except zuli Is doing this in like the eighties. Now,

3391
03:15:25,520 --> 03:15:28,280
Speaker 1: zuli Is is a naval intelligence officer who's he's so

3392
03:15:28,480 --> 03:15:30,680
Speaker 1: he's still technically in the reserves when he joins the cops.

3393
03:15:30,800 --> 03:15:33,840
Speaker 1: And that meant when the CIA's torture is like au

3394
03:15:33,879 --> 03:15:37,200
Speaker 1: Tontomo Base stalled out, they needed a hero and that

3395
03:15:37,280 --> 03:15:41,879
Speaker 1: hero was zuli Um zuli Is was the most active.

3396
03:15:42,080 --> 03:15:43,920
Speaker 1: Like that. The thing is the most active in is

3397
03:15:44,840 --> 03:15:48,120
Speaker 1: the torture of Muhammad O Old Sali, who is famously

3398
03:15:48,160 --> 03:15:53,520
Speaker 1: known as the most tortured Banic Gutanamo. Um he's yeah,

3399
03:15:53,560 --> 03:15:58,480
Speaker 1: at least he gotten a guinness Yeah, he yeah. They

3400
03:15:58,560 --> 03:16:01,200
Speaker 1: do sleep deprivation. I mean they some of it's like

3401
03:16:01,200 --> 03:16:04,000
Speaker 1: the standards sort of like get most stuff, which is

3402
03:16:04,040 --> 03:16:06,440
Speaker 1: like they don't let you sleep. They blast like sounds

3403
03:16:06,480 --> 03:16:08,959
Speaker 1: until you sell all the time. They like beat you.

3404
03:16:09,160 --> 03:16:12,960
Speaker 1: There's molestations and but there's also stuff that's like like

3405
03:16:13,320 --> 03:16:14,760
Speaker 1: you know, the sort of attack my dogs. But like

3406
03:16:14,800 --> 03:16:19,720
Speaker 1: the wh'll do things like like he'll like soap people

3407
03:16:19,840 --> 03:16:23,720
Speaker 1: like get soaked in ice water or like they stuffed

3408
03:16:23,760 --> 03:16:26,240
Speaker 1: him in this like straight jacket thing that didn't let

3409
03:16:26,280 --> 03:16:28,160
Speaker 1: him breathe properly. And then stuffed it full of ice.

3410
03:16:29,879 --> 03:16:32,720
Speaker 1: And then Zuli also, yeah, yeah, it's it's it's bad.

3411
03:16:32,760 --> 03:16:36,240
Speaker 1: And he also like threatens to kidnap his mother and

3412
03:16:36,280 --> 03:16:38,560
Speaker 1: have resent to Guantanamo to be raped because these people

3413
03:16:38,600 --> 03:16:43,240
Speaker 1: are again jizz monsters. And yeah, Zuli is still alive

3414
03:16:43,320 --> 03:16:46,160
Speaker 1: today and romes the streets as a freeman, having received

3415
03:16:46,200 --> 03:16:49,800
Speaker 1: literally no consequences whatsoever for being a torturer. So good

3416
03:16:49,800 --> 03:16:52,080
Speaker 1: in the CPD that the CIA was like, We're gonna

3417
03:16:52,120 --> 03:16:54,960
Speaker 1: bring this guy into the torture. That's great, it's great.

3418
03:16:55,080 --> 03:17:00,680
Speaker 1: It's yep yep ah. And and that that that brings

3419
03:17:00,760 --> 03:17:06,960
Speaker 1: us to our first interlude, which is every year Chicago

3420
03:17:07,040 --> 03:17:09,520
Speaker 1: police officers go to the grave of the deputy chairman

3421
03:17:09,560 --> 03:17:11,880
Speaker 1: of the Black Panther Party, Fred Hampton's, who they assassinated

3422
03:17:11,879 --> 03:17:14,760
Speaker 1: in a police rate after drug in um. They go

3423
03:17:14,840 --> 03:17:17,000
Speaker 1: to his grave to shoot his fucking tombstone. They do

3424
03:17:17,080 --> 03:17:21,240
Speaker 1: this literally every year. The families they keep getting you tombstones,

3425
03:17:21,280 --> 03:17:23,120
Speaker 1: they shoot them every They shoot them every year. It

3426
03:17:23,160 --> 03:17:26,400
Speaker 1: just doesn't matter. Uh, the CPD just keeps shooting it.

3427
03:17:26,520 --> 03:17:28,560
Speaker 1: And there's a quote from the Great Trinity Daddy and

3428
03:17:28,920 --> 03:17:31,120
Speaker 1: marchis historian C. L. R. James, and I think about

3429
03:17:31,120 --> 03:17:34,320
Speaker 1: a lot that goes when history is written as it

3430
03:17:34,360 --> 03:17:36,440
Speaker 1: ought to be written. It is the moderation and long

3431
03:17:36,480 --> 03:17:39,080
Speaker 1: patience of the masses at which people will will wonder,

3432
03:17:39,160 --> 03:17:43,680
Speaker 1: not their ferocity. Yep. I really hope there's a moment

3433
03:17:44,400 --> 03:17:48,200
Speaker 1: of people doing things to cops that makes generations in

3434
03:17:48,240 --> 03:17:51,280
Speaker 1: the future marvel at their ferocity. Yeah. I think I

3435
03:17:51,280 --> 03:17:54,760
Speaker 1: can say that without it legally being incitement. Yes. I'll

3436
03:17:54,760 --> 03:17:57,120
Speaker 1: make one other fun note, which is that five Chicago

3437
03:17:57,200 --> 03:18:00,720
Speaker 1: police officers died last year from COVID. So that's good. Yeah,

3438
03:18:00,879 --> 03:18:04,200
Speaker 1: only five. Huh, let's make it fifty officer, Dad. Look,

3439
03:18:04,400 --> 03:18:06,680
Speaker 1: they're working on it. They don't they won't wear masks.

3440
03:18:07,200 --> 03:18:10,720
Speaker 1: Vacinated critical support to the Chicago police who don't wear masks. Yeah,

3441
03:18:10,760 --> 03:18:13,360
Speaker 1: they're they're, they're, they're they're they're they're having their police

3442
03:18:13,360 --> 03:18:17,080
Speaker 1: Academy exams in person. Now. Oh that's good. That's good.

3443
03:18:17,600 --> 03:18:22,960
Speaker 1: You know what critical support? Yeah, spent more time indoors

3444
03:18:23,000 --> 03:18:26,440
Speaker 1: together without masks. Guys, avoid those vaxes. Yeah, yeah, I'll

3445
03:18:26,440 --> 03:18:34,520
Speaker 1: be great. Will happen. Okay, So story two, which is

3446
03:18:34,680 --> 03:18:40,039
Speaker 1: a shorter one but no less bleak. I think on

3447
03:18:40,080 --> 03:18:45,120
Speaker 1: October fourteen, officer Jason van Dyke fired sixteen shots at

3448
03:18:45,200 --> 03:18:48,440
Speaker 1: Lakwon McDonald, who had turned around and was walking away

3449
03:18:48,440 --> 03:18:51,640
Speaker 1: from him. Here's from the people of the state of Illinois.

3450
03:18:51,720 --> 03:18:57,959
Speaker 1: Walking away aggressively, Chris, Yeah, oh boy, violently exiting. Yeah,

3451
03:18:58,160 --> 03:19:02,680
Speaker 1: I walking away while black, which I guess in the

3452
03:19:02,720 --> 03:19:05,480
Speaker 1: minds of like half of the United States is the

3453
03:19:05,520 --> 03:19:09,480
Speaker 1: same someone A court defended legal right to shoot people

3454
03:19:09,480 --> 03:19:11,520
Speaker 1: in the back who are trying to in a way. Yeah,

3455
03:19:12,800 --> 03:19:16,320
Speaker 1: it's yeah, great country, We're nailing it. From from the

3456
03:19:16,360 --> 03:19:19,039
Speaker 1: Chicago Tribune and analysis of the video. This is this

3457
03:19:19,120 --> 03:19:22,040
Speaker 1: is from the court case, but in the childbuien. An

3458
03:19:22,040 --> 03:19:25,680
Speaker 1: analysis of the video establishes that fourteen to fifteen seconds

3459
03:19:25,680 --> 03:19:29,080
Speaker 1: passed from the time the defendant Van Dyke fired his

3460
03:19:29,160 --> 03:19:32,400
Speaker 1: first shot to clear visual confirmation of the final shot.

3461
03:19:32,640 --> 03:19:35,720
Speaker 1: For approximately thirteen of those seconds, McDonald is lying on

3462
03:19:35,760 --> 03:19:39,879
Speaker 1: the ground, so he he fires literally every bullet in

3463
03:19:39,959 --> 03:19:43,000
Speaker 1: he's gone at a man who is, by those like

3464
03:19:43,120 --> 03:19:45,840
Speaker 1: second shot lying dead, like well it's not quite dead yet,

3465
03:19:45,840 --> 03:19:50,080
Speaker 1: but like lying on the ground. It's just Yeah, from

3466
03:19:50,160 --> 03:19:53,720
Speaker 1: the cops perspective, like why not like that? That's like

3467
03:19:53,800 --> 03:19:55,840
Speaker 1: that's like like they have the ability to do that

3468
03:19:56,160 --> 03:19:58,080
Speaker 1: if they get the chance, oh I get to kill

3469
03:19:58,320 --> 03:20:01,280
Speaker 1: a black person and it doesn't matter, then why, like

3470
03:20:01,400 --> 03:20:03,560
Speaker 1: you know, that's like if you if you you have

3471
03:20:03,600 --> 03:20:06,920
Speaker 1: to you have to think through like what they're actually

3472
03:20:07,520 --> 03:20:10,640
Speaker 1: processing this as. And they don't see them as like

3473
03:20:10,680 --> 03:20:13,119
Speaker 1: a they don't see them as like an equivalent human life.

3474
03:20:13,520 --> 03:20:16,840
Speaker 1: So it doesn't like it's it's they don't. It doesn't

3475
03:20:17,000 --> 03:20:20,720
Speaker 1: you can't like apply the same rules of civility that

3476
03:20:20,800 --> 03:20:24,800
Speaker 1: like we should all kind of agree upon because cops

3477
03:20:24,879 --> 03:20:28,720
Speaker 1: have such a higher hierarchical viewpoint that with them at

3478
03:20:28,720 --> 03:20:32,160
Speaker 1: the top, that they can never actually exist within any

3479
03:20:32,240 --> 03:20:37,959
Speaker 1: kind of humane society. That's why again unspeakable ferocity of

3480
03:20:37,959 --> 03:20:43,320
Speaker 1: the masses fingers crossed one day. Yeah, yeah, well you know,

3481
03:20:43,360 --> 03:20:47,240
Speaker 1: and I think that the thing, you know, Okay, so look,

3482
03:20:47,280 --> 03:20:49,880
Speaker 1: if this is the price of liberal democracy, right if

3483
03:20:49,920 --> 03:20:51,520
Speaker 1: if if you're going to if you're going to live

3484
03:20:51,560 --> 03:20:55,080
Speaker 1: in a society that has like you know that that

3485
03:20:55,160 --> 03:20:57,280
Speaker 1: where laws are enforced by the police, the police are

3486
03:20:57,320 --> 03:20:59,440
Speaker 1: going to murder people like that's that that that's what

3487
03:20:59,480 --> 03:21:02,040
Speaker 1: you're signing on for. And I think that I think

3488
03:21:02,080 --> 03:21:04,680
Speaker 1: that's an absolutely unexecutable price. And but we shouldn't do this.

3489
03:21:05,480 --> 03:21:09,120
Speaker 1: Um Now. The other aspect of this is because you

3490
03:21:09,160 --> 03:21:13,000
Speaker 1: have to keep all of these just absolutely like just

3491
03:21:13,520 --> 03:21:17,640
Speaker 1: bloodthirsty burderers on the leash, and because also all the

3492
03:21:17,680 --> 03:21:21,400
Speaker 1: people who are actually in the government are just genuinely

3493
03:21:21,400 --> 03:21:25,360
Speaker 1: the asplicable human beings. Uh. Immediately after I mean like

3494
03:21:25,520 --> 03:21:28,160
Speaker 1: really before the shots have stopped firing, like, there's a

3495
03:21:28,160 --> 03:21:31,480
Speaker 1: cougher up that stretches from like includes everyone from the

3496
03:21:31,520 --> 03:21:33,120
Speaker 1: officers on the scene all the way up to may

3497
03:21:33,240 --> 03:21:36,320
Speaker 1: raw Emmanuel. So for example, mysteriously none of the multiple

3498
03:21:36,400 --> 03:21:39,160
Speaker 1: dashboard cameras on the scene we're recording audio for reasons

3499
03:21:39,160 --> 03:21:43,680
Speaker 1: only the discerning listener can guess at yep, Like everyone

3500
03:21:43,720 --> 03:21:46,240
Speaker 1: across the entire chain of command again going right up

3501
03:21:46,280 --> 03:21:49,120
Speaker 1: to the mayor's office immediately goes we we cannot let

3502
03:21:49,160 --> 03:21:52,800
Speaker 1: this video get out because it's it's so bad that

3503
03:21:53,400 --> 03:21:57,400
Speaker 1: even the CPD s like this is gonna look bad

3504
03:21:57,400 --> 03:22:00,000
Speaker 1: for us, because the thing gets out, then people will

3505
03:22:00,040 --> 03:22:02,720
Speaker 1: want to do bad things to cops and they can't

3506
03:22:02,720 --> 03:22:08,280
Speaker 1: have that. And you know, so this this, this, this

3507
03:22:08,280 --> 03:22:11,480
Speaker 1: this tape is concealed for over a year until the

3508
03:22:11,520 --> 03:22:15,760
Speaker 1: journalist Brandon Smith like literally gets a like su sues

3509
03:22:15,840 --> 03:22:18,280
Speaker 1: them and literally gets the judge to like order the

3510
03:22:18,280 --> 03:22:20,600
Speaker 1: state to release it. And while this is going on,

3511
03:22:20,680 --> 03:22:23,320
Speaker 1: that the cops are doing this massive pr blitz featuring

3512
03:22:23,360 --> 03:22:25,959
Speaker 1: this just like incredible pack of racist lies, including that

3513
03:22:26,440 --> 03:22:29,080
Speaker 1: McDonald had lunge for it yet Van Dyke with a knife. No,

3514
03:22:29,160 --> 03:22:31,200
Speaker 1: he didn't, he was literally walking away from them. That

3515
03:22:31,320 --> 03:22:34,480
Speaker 1: McDonald had a gun, which is initially one because not

3516
03:22:34,560 --> 03:22:36,640
Speaker 1: only like they didn't even have time to like plant

3517
03:22:36,680 --> 03:22:38,520
Speaker 1: like they killed him so fast, they didn't have time

3518
03:22:38,560 --> 03:22:41,039
Speaker 1: to plant a gun on him, like there's no gun.

3519
03:22:41,160 --> 03:22:43,400
Speaker 1: But the multiple officers will are are like you can

3520
03:22:43,440 --> 03:22:45,080
Speaker 1: you can find news things of them talking about how

3521
03:22:45,080 --> 03:22:46,400
Speaker 1: this guy, oh he had a gun. It's like there's

3522
03:22:46,400 --> 03:22:50,360
Speaker 1: no gun. Um. Yeah. The classic one is that like

3523
03:22:50,400 --> 03:22:53,760
Speaker 1: van Dyke feared for his life and uh no he didn't.

3524
03:22:53,840 --> 03:22:57,520
Speaker 1: He probably should now, but he does not. Yeah, he

3525
03:22:57,520 --> 03:23:00,800
Speaker 1: should never. He should never live awaking or sleeping moments

3526
03:23:01,080 --> 03:23:03,959
Speaker 1: where he's not in constant fear of someone cutting his

3527
03:23:04,040 --> 03:23:06,560
Speaker 1: head off. Just as like in terms of the horror

3528
03:23:06,600 --> 03:23:09,760
Speaker 1: that should be imbued inside people who do these things,

3529
03:23:09,959 --> 03:23:11,840
Speaker 1: they should never like they shouldn't have been able to

3530
03:23:11,879 --> 03:23:15,240
Speaker 1: like sit down and be comfortable the closest we've ever

3531
03:23:15,280 --> 03:23:17,960
Speaker 1: gotten to justice for one of these guys is when

3532
03:23:18,000 --> 03:23:23,280
Speaker 1: that mob surrounded uh, Derek Chauvin's house, and it would

3533
03:23:23,320 --> 03:23:28,160
Speaker 1: have been actual justice if they had gotten through the door. Yep, yeah,

3534
03:23:28,520 --> 03:23:31,920
Speaker 1: it's yeah. So you know all and you ever like

3535
03:23:31,959 --> 03:23:34,400
Speaker 1: so there's all there's there's a huge coterie of cops.

3536
03:23:34,440 --> 03:23:37,000
Speaker 1: We're all just lying about this. They're lying in the press.

3537
03:23:37,000 --> 03:23:39,400
Speaker 1: They're lying just there lying. They they start they lie

3538
03:23:39,520 --> 03:23:43,240
Speaker 1: like on the stand, um and you know, the strategy

3539
03:23:43,280 --> 03:23:45,240
Speaker 1: works for a while because this country is just the

3540
03:23:45,360 --> 03:23:47,800
Speaker 1: racist tellhole until the court forces him to release the video.

3541
03:23:47,959 --> 03:23:50,160
Speaker 1: And when it becomes clear of the video is going

3542
03:23:50,200 --> 03:23:52,000
Speaker 1: to come out, the state immediately charges him, like they

3543
03:23:52,560 --> 03:23:55,039
Speaker 1: charge him, and then later that day they released a video. Now,

3544
03:23:55,120 --> 03:23:57,320
Speaker 1: now keep this in mind, they had this video for

3545
03:23:57,360 --> 03:24:00,760
Speaker 1: a fucking year. It's all what are he done? It's

3546
03:24:00,760 --> 03:24:02,840
Speaker 1: all it's all fake and you know, yeah, and they

3547
03:24:03,000 --> 03:24:05,320
Speaker 1: only charged him with the alternative was literally being run

3548
03:24:05,320 --> 03:24:07,800
Speaker 1: into the sea by an entire mob of the literally

3549
03:24:07,800 --> 03:24:10,880
Speaker 1: the entire population of Chicago. Um. So Van Dyke is

3550
03:24:10,879 --> 03:24:13,160
Speaker 1: suspended without pay, right, but he immediately gets hired by

3551
03:24:13,160 --> 03:24:18,800
Speaker 1: the by the police union. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, and

3552
03:24:18,800 --> 03:24:21,640
Speaker 1: and van Dyke van Dyke Eventually, I mean, he goes down.

3553
03:24:21,640 --> 03:24:24,520
Speaker 1: Eventually he gets convicted of you know, second green murder

3554
03:24:24,560 --> 03:24:27,600
Speaker 1: and sixteen counts of amated battery. But you know, there's

3555
03:24:27,600 --> 03:24:29,520
Speaker 1: a there's a later report that describes the involvement of

3556
03:24:29,560 --> 03:24:32,920
Speaker 1: sixteen other officers in the cover up. Uh. Four officers

3557
03:24:32,920 --> 03:24:35,560
Speaker 1: were eventually fired for lying about the case, three were

3558
03:24:35,560 --> 03:24:37,920
Speaker 1: trying for the cover up and acquitted, and four officers

3559
03:24:37,920 --> 03:24:40,680
Speaker 1: were given a one week suspension for the mysterious lack

3560
03:24:40,720 --> 03:24:48,600
Speaker 1: of camera audio. Honestly, more that more than usually happens. Yeah, well,

3561
03:24:48,640 --> 03:24:51,440
Speaker 1: I mean this is like this video is so bad

3562
03:24:51,560 --> 03:24:53,760
Speaker 1: that like this video is so I mean, rab Emmanuel

3563
03:24:54,400 --> 03:24:57,160
Speaker 1: doesn't really mean that the consequence he suffers is that

3564
03:24:57,240 --> 03:24:59,560
Speaker 1: he decides not to run again because it will be

3565
03:24:59,560 --> 03:25:03,720
Speaker 1: bad for him. But Raw Emanuel is currently now that

3566
03:25:03,800 --> 03:25:06,160
Speaker 1: his his consequence is that he's the American ambassadors of

3567
03:25:06,240 --> 03:25:10,760
Speaker 1: Japan and death. You know, I I will also say this,

3568
03:25:10,840 --> 03:25:13,480
Speaker 1: the people of Japan do not deserve Rammanual. The Liberal

3569
03:25:13,520 --> 03:25:15,680
Speaker 1: Democratic Party, on the other hand, are maybe the only

3570
03:25:15,720 --> 03:25:17,840
Speaker 1: people on earth who actually deserve him. Like, if you

3571
03:25:17,879 --> 03:25:20,080
Speaker 1: didn't want us to palm Raw Emmanuel off on you.

3572
03:25:20,080 --> 03:25:21,720
Speaker 1: You shouldn't have taken all that CIA money in the

3573
03:25:21,760 --> 03:25:23,880
Speaker 1: fifties and sixtees and let them run your political campaigns.

3574
03:25:24,240 --> 03:25:29,240
Speaker 1: So Liberal Democratic Party lie down with dogs, get fleas um.

3575
03:25:29,280 --> 03:25:32,000
Speaker 1: But yeah, Jason Van Dyke was released from prison two

3576
03:25:32,000 --> 03:25:34,960
Speaker 1: weeks ago after serving less than half a sentence. Mcwa

3577
03:25:35,040 --> 03:25:41,760
Speaker 1: McDonald's remains dead. Yeah. I mean the really depressing part

3578
03:25:41,800 --> 03:25:44,520
Speaker 1: is that that is more consequences than usually ever happens,

3579
03:25:46,320 --> 03:25:49,720
Speaker 1: and that that only happened because of, you know, like

3580
03:25:49,879 --> 03:25:52,680
Speaker 1: an incredible amount of organization. And like I think of

3581
03:25:52,720 --> 03:25:54,800
Speaker 1: all of the times where there is no video, Think

3582
03:25:54,800 --> 03:25:57,720
Speaker 1: of all the times where there's nothing and things just happened,

3583
03:25:58,080 --> 03:26:00,920
Speaker 1: no one watches it, and then deads get kicked into

3584
03:26:00,920 --> 03:26:05,720
Speaker 1: a ditch yum. And that's way more common than anything

3585
03:26:05,720 --> 03:26:07,640
Speaker 1: where there's a type of like recordings or even where

3586
03:26:07,640 --> 03:26:10,720
Speaker 1: there needs to be cover ups. You know, you you

3587
03:26:10,800 --> 03:26:12,520
Speaker 1: both are probably too young for this movie. But in

3588
03:26:12,520 --> 03:26:14,879
Speaker 1: one of the Transformers movies, after they beat all the

3589
03:26:14,920 --> 03:26:21,080
Speaker 1: bad Transformers, okay, where the Navy lifts them all up

3590
03:26:21,080 --> 03:26:23,879
Speaker 1: and drops them into the sea. Yes, what if we

3591
03:26:23,920 --> 03:26:28,000
Speaker 1: did that with the Chicago Police Department, Just drop him

3592
03:26:28,040 --> 03:26:31,720
Speaker 1: in the sea, Big old big them up, drop him

3593
03:26:31,760 --> 03:26:34,200
Speaker 1: in the sea. Now we put them in a bag.

3594
03:26:34,240 --> 03:26:38,800
Speaker 1: There's no swimming. Okay, that's fair. Look, look they one one,

3595
03:26:39,120 --> 03:26:42,119
Speaker 1: they get one bag individual. Each individual gets one bag

3596
03:26:42,160 --> 03:26:44,120
Speaker 1: for each bag they put over someone's head and strangled

3597
03:26:44,160 --> 03:26:46,600
Speaker 1: them with I think that's fair and then right into

3598
03:26:46,640 --> 03:26:52,760
Speaker 1: the sea and solves all problems. Like I do, I

3599
03:26:52,800 --> 03:26:55,880
Speaker 1: do genuinely want to say, is that like if if

3600
03:26:55,920 --> 03:26:58,560
Speaker 1: you read the story over and over and over and

3601
03:26:58,600 --> 03:27:00,959
Speaker 1: over again, you get people who are like you get

3602
03:27:01,000 --> 03:27:03,240
Speaker 1: the governor going like the system is fundamentally broken to

3603
03:27:03,320 --> 03:27:05,120
Speaker 1: must reformat. You get the courts saying the system is

3604
03:27:05,120 --> 03:27:09,680
Speaker 1: fundamentally broken and bush reformat and it never changes. They

3605
03:27:09,720 --> 03:27:12,320
Speaker 1: just keep killing people, They keep inslaving people, they keep

3606
03:27:12,320 --> 03:27:16,000
Speaker 1: doing like, they keep troaturing people, they keep murdering people,

3607
03:27:16,040 --> 03:27:19,320
Speaker 1: they keep raving people, and this will not end until

3608
03:27:19,320 --> 03:27:22,039
Speaker 1: you abolish the police. Like there is no alternative. If

3609
03:27:22,120 --> 03:27:26,600
Speaker 1: you if your car is fun is broken on a

3610
03:27:26,680 --> 03:27:30,560
Speaker 1: fundamental level, you can't you can't reform your car to

3611
03:27:30,640 --> 03:27:33,160
Speaker 1: make it better. There's a certain point where it's total

3612
03:27:33,240 --> 03:27:35,640
Speaker 1: and you're like, well, I guess that kind of It's

3613
03:27:35,680 --> 03:27:39,160
Speaker 1: like Asian block is shattered and you're like we fixes

3614
03:27:39,240 --> 03:27:42,600
Speaker 1: the tires, so it ought to go now. No, it's

3615
03:27:42,680 --> 03:27:45,680
Speaker 1: like if it's broken on the fundamental level, you can't

3616
03:27:45,760 --> 03:27:48,440
Speaker 1: reform it. Those words like those words don't go together,

3617
03:27:49,480 --> 03:27:52,520
Speaker 1: like throw out, throw out your car and build a train.

3618
03:27:54,000 --> 03:27:57,720
Speaker 1: That's that's what you have to do. Walk to get

3619
03:27:57,720 --> 03:28:04,600
Speaker 1: a bicycle, honestly. Yeah, I stuck a bottle onto the

3620
03:28:04,680 --> 03:28:06,680
Speaker 1: rail of my a R fifteen, So it's not a

3621
03:28:06,680 --> 03:28:13,320
Speaker 1: gun anymore. Like no, it's it's still a gun. Yea Um. Yeah,

3622
03:28:13,400 --> 03:28:17,199
Speaker 1: this is really really sad um and it's good stuff.

3623
03:28:17,240 --> 03:28:22,280
Speaker 1: Pretty depressing. Um. Anyway, I'm gonna go watch Two Eights

3624
03:28:22,480 --> 03:28:28,320
Speaker 1: the Dark Night and feel feel great about myself. Yeah

3625
03:28:28,720 --> 03:28:31,040
Speaker 1: all right, well that's gonna do it for us, and

3626
03:28:31,120 --> 03:28:36,440
Speaker 1: it could happen here today until next time. Uh. I

3627
03:28:36,520 --> 03:28:41,000
Speaker 1: hope that more Chicago police officers get COVID. There there

3628
03:28:41,080 --> 03:28:42,959
Speaker 1: is that there's that fun scene in the Dark Night

3629
03:28:43,000 --> 03:28:46,440
Speaker 1: where the joker goes into the Chicago Police building and

3630
03:28:46,480 --> 03:28:48,680
Speaker 1: blows up the prison block with all those cops inside.

3631
03:28:49,000 --> 03:29:01,520
Speaker 1: That is that is a fun scene. Yeah. Anyway, Um,

3632
03:29:01,560 --> 03:29:04,080
Speaker 1: hello and welcome to our show. I'm Zoe de Chanelle

3633
03:29:04,120 --> 03:29:06,279
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3634
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3635
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3636
03:29:12,800 --> 03:29:15,400
Speaker 1: Monday on the Welcome to Our Show podcast, where we'll

3637
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Speaker 1: share behind the scenes stories of your favorite New Girl episodes,

3638
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3639
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3640
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Speaker 1: and directors who made the show so special. Fans have

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3645
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Speaker 1: you got some schmid on your face. I feel like

3647
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3648
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Speaker 1: I did. I'm not on a thousand percent. I want

3649
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3650
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3652
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3654
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Speaker 1: This morning, Mom is coming out the front door, strong

3655
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Speaker 1: with a double arm kid carry. Looks like Dad has

3656
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Speaker 1: the bags. Daughter is bringing up the rear. Oh but

3657
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3658
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Speaker 1: Oh but mom has just nailed the perfect car seat

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Speaker 1: buckle for the toddler. And now the eldest daughter, who

3660
03:30:27,560 --> 03:30:30,400
Speaker 1: looks to be about nine or ten, has secured herself

3661
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Speaker 1: in the booster seat. Dad zips the bag clothes and

3662
03:30:33,280 --> 03:30:37,080
Speaker 1: they're off. But looks like Mom doesn't realize her coffee

3663
03:30:37,080 --> 03:30:39,520
Speaker 1: cup is still on the roof of the car and

3664
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Speaker 1: it's could happen here all right. Well that's the introduction.

3672
03:31:12,640 --> 03:31:16,480
Speaker 1: I'm Robert Evans and my work's done for today. Chris, Yeah,

3673
03:31:16,800 --> 03:31:19,320
Speaker 1: it's me, it's Christopher. We are We are back with

3674
03:31:19,640 --> 03:31:22,040
Speaker 1: two more stories of rape, torture, and murder from the

3675
03:31:22,120 --> 03:31:29,320
Speaker 1: Chicago Police Department show we have Yeah, well you know, okay,

3676
03:31:29,400 --> 03:31:31,120
Speaker 1: this one, this, this one will be more fun than

3677
03:31:31,200 --> 03:31:34,680
Speaker 1: last time because okay, so basically, since since I started

3678
03:31:34,720 --> 03:31:36,280
Speaker 1: showing up on this show, I have made a case.

3679
03:31:36,320 --> 03:31:38,920
Speaker 1: I have been dropping references to the fact that Chicago

3680
03:31:38,959 --> 03:31:41,760
Speaker 1: Police Department is literally a cartel, And today I am

3681
03:31:41,800 --> 03:31:45,000
Speaker 1: finally telling the story of how this is a little unfair.

3682
03:31:46,320 --> 03:31:49,720
Speaker 1: But yeah, also, also I didn't mention this before we

3683
03:31:49,720 --> 03:31:51,680
Speaker 1: go win. There's also a bonus cartel because while I

3684
03:31:51,720 --> 03:31:53,600
Speaker 1: was doing research on one of the cartels, I realized

3685
03:31:53,600 --> 03:31:55,360
Speaker 1: that I couldn't actually talk about it without talking about

3686
03:31:55,360 --> 03:31:59,760
Speaker 1: the other cartel. So there's two. There are two completely

3687
03:31:59,840 --> 03:32:02,680
Speaker 1: un related CPD cartels that will show up in this story.

3688
03:32:03,360 --> 03:32:07,840
Speaker 1: Uh yeah, it's great. So all right, this is the

3689
03:32:07,879 --> 03:32:12,720
Speaker 1: story of Ronald Watts. Now Ronerd Wats joined the CPD

3690
03:32:12,760 --> 03:32:15,440
Speaker 1: in n after serving in the army, making him yet

3691
03:32:15,440 --> 03:32:18,560
Speaker 1: another example of the fabled troop cop combination that produces

3692
03:32:18,600 --> 03:32:22,760
Speaker 1: the worst people on earth. Um what Wats was assigned

3693
03:32:22,879 --> 03:32:28,039
Speaker 1: to patrol Chicago's old public housing like projects. Now wants

3694
03:32:28,080 --> 03:32:34,120
Speaker 1: is from housing himself. Um, there's okay. So some of

3695
03:32:34,120 --> 03:32:36,360
Speaker 1: the people who knew him before he went into the

3696
03:32:36,360 --> 03:32:39,960
Speaker 1: police claimed that, like he was just always like a

3697
03:32:40,040 --> 03:32:42,440
Speaker 1: drug delar and that he went into the police too,

3698
03:32:43,160 --> 03:32:45,720
Speaker 1: like drug deal more. I don't know if that's true,

3699
03:32:46,240 --> 03:32:48,040
Speaker 1: because I mean, he's also in the army for a while,

3700
03:32:48,200 --> 03:32:51,120
Speaker 1: so I I don't know, it's sort of unclear. But

3701
03:32:52,560 --> 03:32:54,640
Speaker 1: you know, he's for the projects. He he knows that

3702
03:32:54,680 --> 03:32:56,600
Speaker 1: to reign well, and that's why he was an extremely

3703
03:32:56,640 --> 03:32:59,000
Speaker 1: effective agent of terror in a place where officers would

3704
03:32:59,000 --> 03:33:01,360
Speaker 1: regularly drive by asking the N word and other racial

3705
03:33:01,360 --> 03:33:05,680
Speaker 1: slurs out of their cop car speakers. Uh yeah, here here,

3706
03:33:05,720 --> 03:33:08,200
Speaker 1: here's the intercept describing what like Chicago cops are just

3707
03:33:08,200 --> 03:33:11,440
Speaker 1: doing at the projects. They were officers who found it

3708
03:33:11,480 --> 03:33:13,920
Speaker 1: amusing to toy with those under their power, arranging the

3709
03:33:13,959 --> 03:33:16,440
Speaker 1: foot race of heroin addics determined who would go to jail,

3710
03:33:16,480 --> 03:33:18,720
Speaker 1: for example, or forcing a woman they had searched on

3711
03:33:18,760 --> 03:33:20,600
Speaker 1: the street to walk home naked from the waist down.

3712
03:33:21,480 --> 03:33:25,000
Speaker 1: It's yeah, people who find joint exerting their power over

3713
03:33:25,040 --> 03:33:29,080
Speaker 1: other people and they think it's funny. Yeah, why they

3714
03:33:29,160 --> 03:33:31,680
Speaker 1: become cops. Yep. Well, and you know, and the other

3715
03:33:31,680 --> 03:33:34,680
Speaker 1: reason to become a cop. Is is the the second

3716
03:33:34,680 --> 03:33:36,680
Speaker 1: thing that they do constantly, which is they just walk

3717
03:33:36,720 --> 03:33:39,520
Speaker 1: into the lobbies of these buildings just start taking everyone's money.

3718
03:33:39,680 --> 03:33:42,160
Speaker 1: And like they literally call the lobbies of the public

3719
03:33:42,240 --> 03:33:46,320
Speaker 1: housing buildings like quote their ATM machine. So they're just

3720
03:33:46,360 --> 03:33:48,959
Speaker 1: doing this constantly. There's also cops and this is not

3721
03:33:49,000 --> 03:33:51,400
Speaker 1: every cop that they're specific cops you do this who

3722
03:33:51,400 --> 03:33:53,800
Speaker 1: would show up on the first and the fifteenth of

3723
03:33:53,800 --> 03:33:55,720
Speaker 1: the month, wait for everyone to catch their paychecks and

3724
03:33:55,760 --> 03:33:59,720
Speaker 1: then rob them. And you know, the thing I think

3725
03:33:59,840 --> 03:34:01,720
Speaker 1: is a one about this is that Okay, so like

3726
03:34:02,040 --> 03:34:04,560
Speaker 1: WATTS and like the specific cartels do this, but this

3727
03:34:04,600 --> 03:34:06,400
Speaker 1: isn't just WATS. This is like this is everyone who's

3728
03:34:06,400 --> 03:34:09,240
Speaker 1: working at these projects is just walking up like to

3729
03:34:09,640 --> 03:34:14,080
Speaker 1: like the poorest people in Chicago and just robbing them constantly.

3730
03:34:15,160 --> 03:34:17,200
Speaker 1: Um yeah, like this is this is you know this,

3731
03:34:17,320 --> 03:34:19,200
Speaker 1: this is just how regular policing works. And the elite

3732
03:34:19,280 --> 03:34:23,000
Speaker 1: units are even worse. So Cartel number one or I guess,

3733
03:34:23,040 --> 03:34:25,120
Speaker 1: I guess you're trying about choose since we've introduced WATS.

3734
03:34:25,120 --> 03:34:27,760
Speaker 1: But so there used to be an elite unit in

3735
03:34:27,800 --> 03:34:30,440
Speaker 1: the Chicago Police Force called the Special Operations Section or

3736
03:34:30,520 --> 03:34:33,840
Speaker 1: s OS, and these guys, these guys are different because

3737
03:34:33,879 --> 03:34:36,000
Speaker 1: they you know, they're they're they're not attached to like

3738
03:34:36,040 --> 03:34:38,119
Speaker 1: an area or certific you know, they're they're just completely

3739
03:34:38,120 --> 03:34:41,320
Speaker 1: their own thing. They're just like they're the Special Response Team.

3740
03:34:41,360 --> 03:34:45,320
Speaker 1: And s OS would just go into projects and just

3741
03:34:45,440 --> 03:34:47,920
Speaker 1: ransacked the entire building, like they would go room by

3742
03:34:48,040 --> 03:34:51,080
Speaker 1: room like taking people stuff and just looting it and

3743
03:34:51,120 --> 03:34:53,920
Speaker 1: then just like walking out. And you know, it's not

3744
03:34:54,000 --> 03:34:55,640
Speaker 1: even like there's not just that they're taking cash, like

3745
03:34:55,640 --> 03:34:58,520
Speaker 1: they're taking TVs. And I mean the thing that the thing,

3746
03:34:58,560 --> 03:34:59,959
Speaker 1: the thing you if when you when you read interview

3747
03:35:00,000 --> 03:35:02,080
Speaker 1: and people who lived through this, like they're not just

3748
03:35:02,120 --> 03:35:04,040
Speaker 1: taking like stuff that's like you know, let's use that

3749
03:35:04,080 --> 03:35:06,720
Speaker 1: are expensive there, they'll take people's like lamps, like they'll

3750
03:35:06,720 --> 03:35:08,520
Speaker 1: just walk out with anything, like literally anything they can

3751
03:35:08,560 --> 03:35:12,360
Speaker 1: sell um. And you know again like these are these

3752
03:35:12,360 --> 03:35:15,920
Speaker 1: are the people living in these projects are like huge,

3753
03:35:16,120 --> 03:35:18,360
Speaker 1: like a lot a lot of these postures literally like

3754
03:35:18,400 --> 03:35:21,520
Speaker 1: segregation era, right, and so they're they're almost entirely black

3755
03:35:22,160 --> 03:35:25,080
Speaker 1: and they're just taking like they're just getting robbed, but

3756
03:35:25,240 --> 03:35:29,640
Speaker 1: constantly by both regular cops, a special Operations section, and

3757
03:35:29,800 --> 03:35:32,560
Speaker 1: there's not even like you know, like cops nowadays have

3758
03:35:32,760 --> 03:35:36,080
Speaker 1: like they have like civil asset forfature where there's this

3759
03:35:36,160 --> 03:35:38,000
Speaker 1: like pseudo legal framework and no, no no, no, there's like

3760
03:35:38,040 --> 03:35:40,040
Speaker 1: they're not even this is the nights, They're not even

3761
03:35:40,040 --> 03:35:41,960
Speaker 1: doing that. They're just literally walking in and robbing these

3762
03:35:41,959 --> 03:35:45,520
Speaker 1: people at gunpoint. Um. S OS like they eventually get

3763
03:35:45,560 --> 03:35:50,040
Speaker 1: shut down sales in seven after so there's a series

3764
03:35:50,040 --> 03:35:52,640
Speaker 1: of scangles about them. They they steal like hundreds of

3765
03:35:52,640 --> 03:35:55,160
Speaker 1: thousands of dollars and people, they do shakedowns with drug dealers,

3766
03:35:55,240 --> 03:35:59,480
Speaker 1: they start kidnapping people. Um. At one point in s OS,

3767
03:35:59,560 --> 03:36:01,600
Speaker 1: dude like tried to hire his coworker to do a

3768
03:36:01,680 --> 03:36:03,520
Speaker 1: hit on someone who was like going to report them

3769
03:36:03,560 --> 03:36:08,000
Speaker 1: to the Feds. And yeah, but s OS isn't the

3770
03:36:08,000 --> 03:36:11,160
Speaker 1: main story today because Watts is writing is running an

3771
03:36:11,160 --> 03:36:15,360
Speaker 1: even larger version of this operation. Um. And you know, well,

3772
03:36:15,400 --> 03:36:17,640
Speaker 1: I was probays researching this. I had the realization that, like,

3773
03:36:17,720 --> 03:36:20,280
Speaker 1: so I've talked to people in Chicago about like the

3774
03:36:20,280 --> 03:36:23,120
Speaker 1: CPD Cartel's right, And I had the realization that there

3775
03:36:23,120 --> 03:36:25,119
Speaker 1: are conversations that I've had people where we've been we've

3776
03:36:25,160 --> 03:36:27,760
Speaker 1: both been talking about different ones and we both we

3777
03:36:27,800 --> 03:36:29,200
Speaker 1: both thought we were talking about this. Like I've had

3778
03:36:29,200 --> 03:36:31,800
Speaker 1: people walking backwards like, oh they were talking about the West.

3779
03:36:31,879 --> 03:36:33,560
Speaker 1: I was like, no, no no, I met the Watts one.

3780
03:36:34,480 --> 03:36:40,800
Speaker 1: It's it's it's great. It's love love our institutionalized just

3781
03:36:41,360 --> 03:36:47,480
Speaker 1: robbery system. Yeah. So the other thing I want to

3782
03:36:47,520 --> 03:36:52,200
Speaker 1: mention because so the intercepted like really good, like four

3783
03:36:52,440 --> 03:36:56,000
Speaker 1: like huge four part series on on the Watts. H

3784
03:36:57,040 --> 03:36:59,920
Speaker 1: like cartel. But I think it's worth mentioning that, Like

3785
03:37:00,040 --> 03:37:02,440
Speaker 1: even you know that there's like two quote unquote good

3786
03:37:02,440 --> 03:37:05,720
Speaker 1: cops who like go after Watts and for years and

3787
03:37:05,720 --> 03:37:07,760
Speaker 1: they've actually bring him down. But like even those cops

3788
03:37:07,760 --> 03:37:10,520
Speaker 1: are doing things that are objectively horrifying. Like most of

3789
03:37:10,560 --> 03:37:13,599
Speaker 1: the actual cop work in this story is done by

3790
03:37:13,800 --> 03:37:16,640
Speaker 1: is literally just the good cops. Like they know a

3791
03:37:16,680 --> 03:37:19,879
Speaker 1: homeless guy they called Chewbaka who they paid to be

3792
03:37:19,920 --> 03:37:23,959
Speaker 1: an informant in like blankets, sleeping bags and food and

3793
03:37:24,000 --> 03:37:29,360
Speaker 1: like it's like it should be fair. Cheebaka like genuinely

3794
03:37:29,440 --> 03:37:32,760
Speaker 1: like likes the two of them, But Chiubaca is the

3795
03:37:32,760 --> 03:37:34,480
Speaker 1: guy who does all of the work here, like what

3796
03:37:34,520 --> 03:37:38,120
Speaker 1: Wastz gets like like he's the guy who's like wearing

3797
03:37:38,160 --> 03:37:40,080
Speaker 1: the wire he's the guy who knows everything the cops.

3798
03:37:40,160 --> 03:37:43,400
Speaker 1: The cops don't know anything, and Chibaca has known that

3799
03:37:43,720 --> 03:37:46,480
Speaker 1: everything that was going on from the beginning. They just

3800
03:37:46,600 --> 03:37:50,400
Speaker 1: don't ask him for years. But like in Chiubaca like

3801
03:37:50,520 --> 03:37:53,360
Speaker 1: goes to prison at one point because Wats Okay, so

3802
03:37:53,760 --> 03:37:57,680
Speaker 1: what Watson Wats is just like a drug dealer, right, um,

3803
03:37:57,720 --> 03:38:02,039
Speaker 1: so wats and so so Chebacca would like, you know,

3804
03:38:02,040 --> 03:38:03,200
Speaker 1: he he was like he was like a sort of

3805
03:38:03,200 --> 03:38:05,520
Speaker 1: low level like runner. Right, you'd get a bag, he'd

3806
03:38:05,520 --> 03:38:09,440
Speaker 1: like move it sometimes and one time it waltsaw these

3807
03:38:09,480 --> 03:38:12,440
Speaker 1: new for informations. At one time, like Watts was like

3808
03:38:12,440 --> 03:38:14,320
Speaker 1: trying to get information on where a drug stash was

3809
03:38:14,480 --> 03:38:17,080
Speaker 1: we could rob it and then like well down so

3810
03:38:17,120 --> 03:38:18,680
Speaker 1: he could do a police raid on it and then

3811
03:38:18,680 --> 03:38:20,720
Speaker 1: take the drugs and sell them. And Chebaca just like

3812
03:38:20,720 --> 03:38:23,280
Speaker 1: didn't know. So what's just like through be in prison

3813
03:38:23,320 --> 03:38:27,520
Speaker 1: for two years and it's just like you know this

3814
03:38:27,640 --> 03:38:29,520
Speaker 1: this stuff this time don't happens constantly. That there are

3815
03:38:29,520 --> 03:38:32,959
Speaker 1: so many people who are just you know, like people

3816
03:38:33,000 --> 03:38:36,400
Speaker 1: try to survive in the city and then oh, hey,

3817
03:38:36,440 --> 03:38:39,280
Speaker 1: you don't have the exact specific information that this cop

3818
03:38:39,360 --> 03:38:40,959
Speaker 1: wants on this drug thing, so we're just gonna send

3819
03:38:40,959 --> 03:38:43,680
Speaker 1: you to prison for two years. And Chebacca, who like

3820
03:38:43,800 --> 03:38:46,200
Speaker 1: risks his life wearing a wire and brings down one

3821
03:38:46,200 --> 03:38:47,960
Speaker 1: of the biggest cartels in the CPD, as best I

3822
03:38:48,000 --> 03:38:50,320
Speaker 1: can tell, is still living on the street because the

3823
03:38:50,360 --> 03:38:55,120
Speaker 1: society is just broken in ways that like are difficult

3824
03:38:55,160 --> 03:39:02,000
Speaker 1: to comprehend and incredibly bleak. Yeah mm hmm. Yeah. So okay,

3825
03:39:02,000 --> 03:39:04,600
Speaker 1: back to Watch this operation. Watts has this thing called

3826
03:39:04,600 --> 03:39:07,400
Speaker 1: the Watch Tax, and the Watch tex is if you

3827
03:39:07,480 --> 03:39:09,640
Speaker 1: run drugs, you pay the tax to Watts, and this

3828
03:39:09,760 --> 03:39:11,920
Speaker 1: this tax gives you protection from the police if you

3829
03:39:11,920 --> 03:39:13,560
Speaker 1: don't pay the Watch tax, the cop show up, they

3830
03:39:13,600 --> 03:39:15,280
Speaker 1: put you in prison, they take all your cash, they

3831
03:39:15,360 --> 03:39:17,240
Speaker 1: raid your drugs, and then Watch resolves your drugs that

3832
03:39:17,280 --> 03:39:20,000
Speaker 1: are profit I mean that is like objectively, that is

3833
03:39:20,000 --> 03:39:23,000
Speaker 1: a decent grift, Like in terms of it's pretty good

3834
03:39:23,560 --> 03:39:26,520
Speaker 1: logistical plans, like yeah, okay, I can I can see

3835
03:39:26,520 --> 03:39:28,680
Speaker 1: how how this would actually be very profitable. Yeah, it's

3836
03:39:28,760 --> 03:39:31,240
Speaker 1: genius and like and and and the other thing about

3837
03:39:31,280 --> 03:39:33,760
Speaker 1: these taxes, like these taxes are enormous amounts of money.

3838
03:39:33,800 --> 03:39:36,400
Speaker 1: Like if if so if if if you're running a

3839
03:39:36,480 --> 03:39:39,520
Speaker 1: drug that's like, okay, so you have a drug that

3840
03:39:39,600 --> 03:39:42,760
Speaker 1: you move and the drugs I've I've ran drugs for

3841
03:39:42,800 --> 03:39:46,800
Speaker 1: thirty years, I know. Yeah, so the tax for the

3842
03:39:46,920 --> 03:39:49,119
Speaker 1: for that single drug can be as high as fifty

3843
03:39:49,440 --> 03:39:52,680
Speaker 1: dollars a week. So he is he is making a

3844
03:39:52,680 --> 03:39:56,240
Speaker 1: lot of money, so much money, like just an incomprehensible

3845
03:39:56,280 --> 03:40:01,000
Speaker 1: amount of money off of this. After I guess, I

3846
03:40:01,040 --> 03:40:02,680
Speaker 1: guess you would have to become cops. I have an

3847
03:40:02,720 --> 03:40:06,880
Speaker 1: idea for a pivot. Do it in the cartel pivot.

3848
03:40:07,840 --> 03:40:09,080
Speaker 1: This is how we give this is how we get

3849
03:40:09,080 --> 03:40:10,800
Speaker 1: funded by this in a lower cartel. And we've always

3850
03:40:10,800 --> 03:40:13,320
Speaker 1: been a cartel, but that's well, when we moved from

3851
03:40:13,360 --> 03:40:16,360
Speaker 1: podcasting into drugs, we can partner with our friends at

3852
03:40:16,360 --> 03:40:20,039
Speaker 1: the scene a lower cartel, yea would be great. Eventually,

3853
03:40:20,600 --> 03:40:23,640
Speaker 1: there's a guy named Big Shorty who's another like player

3854
03:40:23,640 --> 03:40:26,680
Speaker 1: in the scene. And yeah, all the people in this

3855
03:40:26,800 --> 03:40:31,080
Speaker 1: name of falling great names. Yeah it's great. So Big

3856
03:40:31,120 --> 03:40:34,039
Speaker 1: Shorty is like, I'm not paying like fifty k a

3857
03:40:34,080 --> 03:40:36,200
Speaker 1: week per drug to do this anymore. I'm gonna go

3858
03:40:36,240 --> 03:40:39,600
Speaker 1: to the Feds and so so be short Like he

3859
03:40:39,640 --> 03:40:40,800
Speaker 1: threatens to go to the feest and he goes to

3860
03:40:40,800 --> 03:40:42,640
Speaker 1: the d A and then like a couple of days later,

3861
03:40:42,680 --> 03:40:47,000
Speaker 1: she's gunned down the street by yeah you never yeah no,

3862
03:40:47,360 --> 03:40:49,840
Speaker 1: like yeah, well if you do, you have to make

3863
03:40:49,879 --> 03:40:54,120
Speaker 1: sure they like disappear you because you never threaten it,

3864
03:40:54,240 --> 03:40:57,040
Speaker 1: like that's the yeah, yeah, yeah you don't. These worlds

3865
03:40:57,320 --> 03:41:01,120
Speaker 1: you mentioned like cops and going to in any combination,

3866
03:41:01,320 --> 03:41:03,120
Speaker 1: and everyone around you just like, all right, well, this

3867
03:41:03,160 --> 03:41:06,120
Speaker 1: person's got to be dead. That's just how that's gotta go. Yeah,

3868
03:41:06,280 --> 03:41:09,640
Speaker 1: it's it's not it's not the best move I've ever seen.

3869
03:41:10,160 --> 03:41:14,480
Speaker 1: It's yeah, so you know, And and this is when

3870
03:41:14,600 --> 03:41:17,119
Speaker 1: this is when the cops, the two cops are gonna

3871
03:41:17,120 --> 03:41:19,160
Speaker 1: bring Watch down, like actually started to take notice because

3872
03:41:19,560 --> 03:41:21,760
Speaker 1: literally for years, I mean they're they're all sorry about this,

3873
03:41:21,760 --> 03:41:24,720
Speaker 1: like people they'd be locking people up and people would

3874
03:41:24,720 --> 03:41:26,360
Speaker 1: say things like why are you going after me for

3875
03:41:26,440 --> 03:41:28,400
Speaker 1: two bags? And Watts is running the dope and just

3876
03:41:28,440 --> 03:41:31,160
Speaker 1: no one believes them, Like the cops are being told

3877
03:41:31,160 --> 03:41:33,360
Speaker 1: constantly for years like that the cops who aren't in

3878
03:41:33,440 --> 03:41:36,280
Speaker 1: on the on the intel I being told literally for

3879
03:41:36,360 --> 03:41:39,200
Speaker 1: years that that this whole thing is you know that

3880
03:41:39,200 --> 03:41:41,240
Speaker 1: that oh yeah, well, why why are you bothering me

3881
03:41:41,480 --> 03:41:44,199
Speaker 1: Watts is running this operation. They don't believe them, and

3882
03:41:44,800 --> 03:41:49,280
Speaker 1: they don't they don't believe them basically until Big Shorty

3883
03:41:49,320 --> 03:41:52,640
Speaker 1: gets shot. Because when when Big Shorty goes down like

3884
03:41:52,680 --> 03:41:55,880
Speaker 1: another they get another guy who's like pretty big in

3885
03:41:55,920 --> 03:41:57,640
Speaker 1: the scene, the guy's like, oh, yeah, no, he got

3886
03:41:57,640 --> 03:42:00,880
Speaker 1: shot by Watts, and they're like wait, hold on now,

3887
03:42:01,280 --> 03:42:05,760
Speaker 1: the cops go to the FBI, and the FBI, it

3888
03:42:05,760 --> 03:42:07,560
Speaker 1: turns out, has been trying and failing to put again

3889
03:42:07,600 --> 03:42:09,640
Speaker 1: put together a case against Watts for so long that

3890
03:42:09,720 --> 03:42:12,360
Speaker 1: like they're on there like second like agent who they've

3891
03:42:12,400 --> 03:42:14,080
Speaker 1: had in charge of the case because the first guy,

3892
03:42:14,120 --> 03:42:16,040
Speaker 1: like I just could do it and laugh. And so

3893
03:42:16,080 --> 03:42:20,320
Speaker 1: they had another guy and almost immediately after this, uh,

3894
03:42:21,200 --> 03:42:23,760
Speaker 1: there's there's another guy. There's another dealer named Fears, who

3895
03:42:24,400 --> 03:42:27,039
Speaker 1: he has this Fierce has this great grift, which is

3896
03:42:27,080 --> 03:42:28,800
Speaker 1: like all of his people wear Obama shirts just like

3897
03:42:28,879 --> 03:42:32,240
Speaker 1: you just let you doesn't eate but doesn't know don't

3898
03:42:32,480 --> 03:42:34,320
Speaker 1: seven or something. But yeah, so like that, all all

3899
03:42:34,360 --> 03:42:36,520
Speaker 1: the people doing this thing, they wear Obama shirts and

3900
03:42:36,520 --> 03:42:39,959
Speaker 1: they call the drugs like Obama and so what everyone

3901
03:42:40,120 --> 03:42:43,120
Speaker 1: they have their lines called Hope. So and like this

3902
03:42:43,120 --> 03:42:46,119
Speaker 1: this this actually works on the FBI. Like the FBI

3903
03:42:46,360 --> 03:42:48,520
Speaker 1: doesn't understand that they're running drugs because they think that

3904
03:42:48,680 --> 03:42:50,760
Speaker 1: they're that Like all the Messa references of Obama are

3905
03:42:50,800 --> 03:42:55,120
Speaker 1: just like they're talking about like Obama. It's like there's

3906
03:42:55,160 --> 03:42:58,879
Speaker 1: there's so many, there's so many great like FBI weird

3907
03:42:58,920 --> 03:43:01,200
Speaker 1: incompetences to the story like that. There's one point where

3908
03:43:01,840 --> 03:43:03,600
Speaker 1: the cops are going through the documents and they see

3909
03:43:03,600 --> 03:43:07,080
Speaker 1: the word they see Lou, and it's just a lose

3910
03:43:07,160 --> 03:43:09,320
Speaker 1: a short for lieutenant, right, But the FBI thinks that

3911
03:43:09,440 --> 03:43:11,320
Speaker 1: Lou is like a name, and so they kind of

3912
03:43:11,320 --> 03:43:14,480
Speaker 1: tracked down this guy named Lou, which is just it's

3913
03:43:14,560 --> 03:43:23,720
Speaker 1: it's ah, just baffling, incredible, and coms never thrilled when

3914
03:43:23,720 --> 03:43:28,240
Speaker 1: they have to investigate cops. Yeah, yeah, even though it

3915
03:43:28,360 --> 03:43:31,720
Speaker 1: is literally their job. Yep. But hey, I hate doing

3916
03:43:31,760 --> 03:43:35,960
Speaker 1: my job too, so please continue, Chris. So, so if

3917
03:43:36,000 --> 03:43:38,280
Speaker 1: that fears guy who choose doing the Obama thing, like

3918
03:43:38,680 --> 03:43:41,320
Speaker 1: take seventeen rounds to the chest, and so the FBI

3919
03:43:41,800 --> 03:43:43,800
Speaker 1: number rounds to take to the chest, Yeah, that's a lot.

3920
03:43:43,879 --> 03:43:46,240
Speaker 1: It's it's it's it's an interesting number two right, because

3921
03:43:46,280 --> 03:43:50,240
Speaker 1: like like it does have a cult significance. Guess yeah.

3922
03:43:50,360 --> 03:43:55,280
Speaker 1: What would also like like is did they like reload, Like,

3923
03:43:55,320 --> 03:44:00,280
Speaker 1: do they have a gun that has round? Man? Yeah,

3924
03:44:00,320 --> 03:44:02,840
Speaker 1: there's yeah, there's that's not that's not is it? Is

3925
03:44:02,879 --> 03:44:05,680
Speaker 1: it like a handgun or is it a rifle? I

3926
03:44:05,720 --> 03:44:10,320
Speaker 1: think it's a handgun. Yeah, or like Baltimo people with

3927
03:44:10,360 --> 03:44:16,360
Speaker 1: handguns block seventeens have seventeen round magazines. That makes sense. Yeah. Yeah.

3928
03:44:16,360 --> 03:44:20,360
Speaker 1: So so after this, the FBI investigation intensifies, and so

3929
03:44:21,440 --> 03:44:24,200
Speaker 1: the FBI goes to the Internal Affairs Division or i

3930
03:44:24,320 --> 03:44:26,720
Speaker 1: a D, who are like the most hated cops of

3931
03:44:26,760 --> 03:44:28,800
Speaker 1: all cops by other cops, because there're people who a

3932
03:44:28,800 --> 03:44:32,680
Speaker 1: supposed investigate the police and you know, so so they

3933
03:44:33,160 --> 03:44:34,680
Speaker 1: tell that you guys who are going after watch, they're

3934
03:44:34,680 --> 03:44:38,039
Speaker 1: going to be protected. And this works for like a year,

3935
03:44:38,200 --> 03:44:40,120
Speaker 1: and then the head of a I D changes and

3936
03:44:40,200 --> 03:44:42,640
Speaker 1: it's like a cop cop guy instead of so they

3937
03:44:42,640 --> 03:44:44,680
Speaker 1: had this like they brought an FBI guy who had

3938
03:44:44,680 --> 03:44:46,080
Speaker 1: been had of a D and that he gets kicked

3939
03:44:46,120 --> 03:44:47,840
Speaker 1: out and they bring in like a cop and that

3940
03:44:47,879 --> 03:44:51,560
Speaker 1: cop just immediately tells literally everyone that that the two

3941
03:44:51,600 --> 03:44:54,959
Speaker 1: cops are running an investigation. It gives watts and so

3942
03:44:55,240 --> 03:44:58,360
Speaker 1: uh do they die with the next few months or

3943
03:44:58,520 --> 03:45:03,840
Speaker 1: studdingly no. I as best I can tell, Watts seemed

3944
03:45:03,840 --> 03:45:05,520
Speaker 1: to have thought that like they wouldn't just wouldn't be

3945
03:45:05,520 --> 03:45:08,080
Speaker 1: able to get him because an too much protection, which

3946
03:45:08,360 --> 03:45:11,879
Speaker 1: worked for a while. Um yeah, it's yeah, he has

3947
03:45:11,920 --> 03:45:14,000
Speaker 1: a lot of power. Yeah. Well and also, I mean

3948
03:45:14,000 --> 03:45:16,160
Speaker 1: the other thing about this is she just like his stuff,

3949
03:45:16,160 --> 03:45:19,080
Speaker 1: starts getting wilder. So he goes after this guy. He

3950
03:45:19,120 --> 03:45:21,160
Speaker 1: tries to go after the drugs of this guy named Monk,

3951
03:45:21,400 --> 03:45:23,119
Speaker 1: and like Muk is carrying a bunch of drugs, he's

3952
03:45:23,120 --> 03:45:25,240
Speaker 1: trying to He's trying to rob bunk Um from the

3953
03:45:25,280 --> 03:45:27,760
Speaker 1: intercept a wild car chase and suit on the Dan

3954
03:45:27,879 --> 03:45:30,600
Speaker 1: Ryan Expressway like Sure Drive and ultimately into the Hyde

3955
03:45:30,600 --> 03:45:33,200
Speaker 1: Park neighborhood, where Monk lost control of the car and

3956
03:45:33,240 --> 03:45:36,280
Speaker 1: crashed in a park. He fled on foot. Watson his

3957
03:45:36,360 --> 03:45:38,720
Speaker 1: team seized the dope in cash. They didn't even check

3958
03:45:38,720 --> 03:45:41,160
Speaker 1: on the condition of the women and infant who remained

3959
03:45:41,160 --> 03:45:45,640
Speaker 1: in the car, which is great. And also that's that's standard.

3960
03:45:45,800 --> 03:45:48,320
Speaker 1: That that's that that's like standard CPD procedure. I have

3961
03:45:48,440 --> 03:45:51,000
Speaker 1: literally seen this happen like in Hyde Park, like I

3962
03:45:51,360 --> 03:45:53,840
Speaker 1: have there when I was in college, I almost got

3963
03:45:53,879 --> 03:45:55,480
Speaker 1: run over in his seat and like the CPD almost

3964
03:45:55,520 --> 03:45:57,039
Speaker 1: ran me over in this like car chase that went

3965
03:45:57,080 --> 03:46:00,280
Speaker 1: bad and this giant multi car crash and like there's

3966
03:46:00,320 --> 03:46:03,760
Speaker 1: like sixteen cops, right, they all just run past the

3967
03:46:03,800 --> 03:46:06,200
Speaker 1: car crash after you guys are chasing and like I

3968
03:46:06,240 --> 03:46:08,280
Speaker 1: have to go make sure no one died. And I

3969
03:46:08,360 --> 03:46:11,279
Speaker 1: was like, I, this is great. You have just almost

3970
03:46:11,360 --> 03:46:13,640
Speaker 1: murdered me. And then also you're not checking on all

3971
03:46:13,680 --> 03:46:15,600
Speaker 1: of these people in this car even in the wreck.

3972
03:46:15,800 --> 03:46:21,440
Speaker 1: I Oh, I hate a CPD. I hate them a lot.

3973
03:46:22,160 --> 03:46:26,480
Speaker 1: Took the sound this sound nice? Yeah, it's great there there. Yeah,

3974
03:46:26,520 --> 03:46:30,480
Speaker 1: this just happens like all the time, like often enough

3975
03:46:30,560 --> 03:46:36,080
Speaker 1: that like literally in the same place, which like all

3976
03:46:36,120 --> 03:46:38,920
Speaker 1: of these big because you've got like a few really big, shitty,

3977
03:46:38,920 --> 03:46:41,280
Speaker 1: big city police departments. You've got your l A p D,

3978
03:46:41,400 --> 03:46:44,760
Speaker 1: You're n Y p D, You've got your Chicago Police Department.

3979
03:46:45,080 --> 03:46:47,760
Speaker 1: By god, you've got St. Louis cops. And they're all

3980
03:46:48,120 --> 03:46:51,600
Speaker 1: they're all shitty and simultaneously the same in different ways.

3981
03:46:52,120 --> 03:46:55,200
Speaker 1: Like there there, it's the same basic idea. It's brutality,

3982
03:46:55,240 --> 03:46:59,840
Speaker 1: it's violence, it's robbery. Um, but they they find unique

3983
03:47:00,000 --> 03:47:04,320
Speaker 1: as to do those shitty things, which is fascinating. Yeah,

3984
03:47:04,360 --> 03:47:07,000
Speaker 1: Like I've always had like like the n y p DS,

3985
03:47:07,160 --> 03:47:09,080
Speaker 1: like they're big thing is if you get a large

3986
03:47:09,120 --> 03:47:11,039
Speaker 1: number of people together, the NYPD is just going to

3987
03:47:11,080 --> 03:47:13,520
Speaker 1: annihilate you. Like l A p D has like the

3988
03:47:13,640 --> 03:47:17,039
Speaker 1: Nazi gangs. CPD thing, CPDS thing just seems to be crime.

3989
03:47:17,879 --> 03:47:23,200
Speaker 1: CPD torture. It's torture. And yeah St. Louis Police Department

3990
03:47:23,280 --> 03:47:27,960
Speaker 1: will attack you with dogs if you're not a white person. Like, yeah,

3991
03:47:28,200 --> 03:47:36,880
Speaker 1: they've all got they've they've they've they've chosen their cops subclass. Yeah. Now, okay,

3992
03:47:36,879 --> 03:47:39,440
Speaker 1: so but back in the investigation, the two cops in

3993
03:47:39,440 --> 03:47:43,040
Speaker 1: investigating Watts are like even so basically all the researchers

3994
03:47:43,080 --> 03:47:45,480
Speaker 1: get cut off. It's literally just them to watch. Note

3995
03:47:45,560 --> 03:47:48,600
Speaker 1: like basically knows that he's they're coming from them, and

3996
03:47:48,640 --> 03:47:52,280
Speaker 1: they almost get him anyways, because cops are just not

3997
03:47:52,760 --> 03:47:55,760
Speaker 1: very smart. Um, and you know they're about to get

3998
03:47:55,800 --> 03:47:59,040
Speaker 1: him on a sting for drug running. And then right

3999
03:47:59,080 --> 03:48:01,240
Speaker 1: before like I think it's like the day of that

4000
03:48:01,240 --> 03:48:03,680
Speaker 1: they're running the sting, they suddenly get like transferred to

4001
03:48:03,680 --> 03:48:06,800
Speaker 1: the police academy and they basically just like get detained

4002
03:48:06,840 --> 03:48:11,160
Speaker 1: in this police academy for like weeks and it's it's

4003
03:48:11,280 --> 03:48:14,120
Speaker 1: purely weird. And eventually, like and you know, this is

4004
03:48:14,160 --> 03:48:16,640
Speaker 1: when like everything just completely comes apart with the liaison

4005
03:48:16,720 --> 03:48:19,440
Speaker 1: between the CPD and the FBI literally tells them they

4006
03:48:19,440 --> 03:48:21,120
Speaker 1: can't move on the case because if they move on

4007
03:48:21,160 --> 03:48:23,120
Speaker 1: the case, it's going to reveal that Watts murdered a dude,

4008
03:48:24,280 --> 03:48:26,400
Speaker 1: because well they so they don't have good evidence some

4009
03:48:26,400 --> 03:48:28,440
Speaker 1: big shorty, but they have they have evidence that they

4010
03:48:28,480 --> 03:48:32,760
Speaker 1: have good evidence that he killed Fears and uh, and

4011
03:48:32,959 --> 03:48:35,119
Speaker 1: the head of Internal affairs basically tells them like, yeah,

4012
03:48:35,200 --> 03:48:37,840
Speaker 1: like I won't do anything about Watts because it comes

4013
03:48:37,840 --> 03:48:40,879
Speaker 1: out that another CPD unit had gone rogue after s OS,

4014
03:48:41,040 --> 03:48:43,400
Speaker 1: I'll be done for so I'm just gonna cover for them.

4015
03:48:43,720 --> 03:48:47,000
Speaker 1: The second cartel is too much, actually gone to only

4016
03:48:47,040 --> 03:48:52,920
Speaker 1: one cartels. It's great, Um, I can excuse one cartel,

4017
03:48:53,000 --> 03:48:57,360
Speaker 1: but I try the line too. But once you hit

4018
03:48:57,400 --> 03:49:00,240
Speaker 1: four cartels, were back two good, which is why I

4019
03:49:00,280 --> 03:49:03,439
Speaker 1: am such a big fan of the Los Angeles Police Department.

4020
03:49:03,760 --> 03:49:06,200
Speaker 1: It's great, Look you got it, you got you got

4021
03:49:06,200 --> 03:49:08,200
Speaker 1: you just you just gotta get over the cortel hump

4022
03:49:08,200 --> 03:49:10,440
Speaker 1: and once you're over, Yeah, you got. It's like it's

4023
03:49:10,440 --> 03:49:13,080
Speaker 1: like growing out your your hair. Right, there's gonna be

4024
03:49:13,080 --> 03:49:15,320
Speaker 1: that period where it looks really awkward. That's when. That's

4025
03:49:15,320 --> 03:49:18,480
Speaker 1: when you've got two cartels, and then you get hot

4026
03:49:18,520 --> 03:49:22,400
Speaker 1: at four cartels. Then you're fuckable again. Yeah, it's great.

4027
03:49:23,320 --> 03:49:25,920
Speaker 1: So there's an interesting description from one of the two

4028
03:49:25,960 --> 03:49:27,480
Speaker 1: cops that don't want to read because it gets out

4029
03:49:27,520 --> 03:49:30,200
Speaker 1: how the code of Silence works. Um from the intercept

4030
03:49:30,840 --> 03:49:32,520
Speaker 1: he had, she said, this is about the the A

4031
03:49:32,600 --> 03:49:35,520
Speaker 1: I D. Guy he had, She said, made too many deals,

4032
03:49:35,560 --> 03:49:39,080
Speaker 1: there by neutralizing his ability to act. Attributing your understanding

4033
03:49:39,080 --> 03:49:42,680
Speaker 1: of this dynamic largely two conversations with Rivera himself, conversations

4034
03:49:42,680 --> 03:49:45,600
Speaker 1: she denied ever occurred. She described him as ensnared in

4035
03:49:45,680 --> 03:49:48,480
Speaker 1: a web of mutual blackmail at which bosses have leverage

4036
03:49:48,520 --> 03:49:50,720
Speaker 1: over one another by virtue of their shared knowledge of

4037
03:49:50,760 --> 03:49:54,320
Speaker 1: the deals they've made. She gave an example, I'll make

4038
03:49:54,360 --> 03:49:56,480
Speaker 1: the cr get your guy go away if you promote

4039
03:49:56,520 --> 03:49:58,760
Speaker 1: my guy within your unit. The code of silence and

4040
03:49:58,880 --> 03:50:03,200
Speaker 1: cloud or thus in twine Rivera, she recalled, once remarked

4041
03:50:03,280 --> 03:50:06,720
Speaker 1: to her that the bosses quote trade crs for favors

4042
03:50:06,720 --> 03:50:10,320
Speaker 1: like baseball cards. So yeah, this is this is what

4043
03:50:10,360 --> 03:50:12,480
Speaker 1: the code of silence is. It's it's it's an informal

4044
03:50:12,520 --> 03:50:15,960
Speaker 1: code sort of. That's also called the thin blue line,

4045
03:50:16,760 --> 03:50:20,160
Speaker 1: which is great, uh yeah, but basically it says that costs,

4046
03:50:20,240 --> 03:50:22,280
Speaker 1: you know, it's that cops will protect the road. But

4047
03:50:22,280 --> 03:50:24,440
Speaker 1: but it's more than that. If if if you if

4048
03:50:24,440 --> 03:50:26,160
Speaker 1: you cross the name blue line and you break the

4049
03:50:26,160 --> 03:50:29,080
Speaker 1: code of silence, you will be formally retaliated against by

4050
03:50:29,080 --> 03:50:31,640
Speaker 1: your commanders. And but when when when I say breaking

4051
03:50:31,680 --> 03:50:34,360
Speaker 1: the code of silence, what that means literally is if

4052
03:50:34,400 --> 03:50:37,480
Speaker 1: you take any action against another cop, Like it literally

4053
03:50:37,480 --> 03:50:39,480
Speaker 1: doesn't like they can be torturing people, they could be

4054
03:50:39,560 --> 03:50:42,920
Speaker 1: literally running a cartel. It doesn't matter. If you say

4055
03:50:42,960 --> 03:50:45,960
Speaker 1: anything about them, you will be like formally retaliated against

4056
03:50:46,000 --> 03:50:48,960
Speaker 1: by every other cop. And so the two cops who

4057
03:50:48,960 --> 03:50:51,600
Speaker 1: are investigating wats like, they get arrested by internal affairs.

4058
03:50:52,240 --> 03:50:55,720
Speaker 1: Internal affairs like tries to like basically make a fake

4059
03:50:55,760 --> 03:50:59,600
Speaker 1: case against them, and they eventually get out, but they're

4060
03:50:59,680 --> 03:51:01,680
Speaker 1: you know, they're rears are over right because they you know,

4061
03:51:01,880 --> 03:51:05,640
Speaker 1: attempted to like do the thing sort of that cops

4062
03:51:05,680 --> 03:51:12,640
Speaker 1: are nominally supposed to do and they just immediately get arrested. Um,

4063
03:51:12,680 --> 03:51:13,800
Speaker 1: and you know, and they have a lot of other

4064
03:51:13,800 --> 03:51:15,720
Speaker 1: stuff happened to them. Like one of the two cops

4065
03:51:15,720 --> 03:51:17,800
Speaker 1: comes home to a bell box literally full of ship,

4066
03:51:17,840 --> 03:51:19,760
Speaker 1: with a note that says, since you like ship so much,

4067
03:51:19,800 --> 03:51:24,000
Speaker 1: thought you'd enjoy this amazing. Yeah you know what I mean, Like,

4068
03:51:24,080 --> 03:51:27,880
Speaker 1: that's fun. That's fun. That should happen more offten just

4069
03:51:28,040 --> 03:51:31,960
Speaker 1: that should happen a lot more off other other scenarios. Yeah, yeah,

4070
03:51:32,040 --> 03:51:35,400
Speaker 1: it's it sucks that these are the cops that this

4071
03:51:35,440 --> 03:51:37,320
Speaker 1: is happening. Like, of all of the this is like

4072
03:51:37,360 --> 03:51:39,960
Speaker 1: the only time I like do not approve of like

4073
03:51:40,040 --> 03:51:43,640
Speaker 1: sending cops ship just like this is this is the

4074
03:51:43,680 --> 03:51:47,280
Speaker 1: wrong reason for the wrong reason to sender. You're gone.

4075
03:51:49,280 --> 03:51:52,600
Speaker 1: That's true. They have probably done stuff. They have done stuff.

4076
03:51:54,000 --> 03:51:58,160
Speaker 1: I will make sure it's better. It can be safer

4077
03:51:58,400 --> 03:52:01,440
Speaker 1: if it's if dogs should is the DNA is harder

4078
03:52:01,480 --> 03:52:04,880
Speaker 1: to track anyone, you know what the safest ship of

4079
03:52:04,880 --> 03:52:12,680
Speaker 1: all to use. No, I don't ship, panther ship. Panther ship.

4080
03:52:14,040 --> 03:52:15,880
Speaker 1: See I can. Yeah, I think I p I is

4081
03:52:15,920 --> 03:52:19,240
Speaker 1: never going to figure that one out. Yeah, I get

4082
03:52:18,840 --> 03:52:22,920
Speaker 1: the technology, get right on. I'll get right on that. Yeah,

4083
03:52:23,200 --> 03:52:25,960
Speaker 1: we're gonna go to go collect panther Ship'll be gone

4084
03:52:25,960 --> 03:52:29,040
Speaker 1: for a month. It could be their unibomber for like

4085
03:52:29,160 --> 03:52:31,440
Speaker 1: fifteen years. They're trying to track down what kind of

4086
03:52:31,440 --> 03:52:34,720
Speaker 1: ship is getting put in people's mailboxes until your brother

4087
03:52:35,040 --> 03:52:37,840
Speaker 1: sends them a letter saying I know someone who has

4088
03:52:37,880 --> 03:52:43,280
Speaker 1: access to a lot of Panther Ship and grudge tragic

4089
03:52:43,320 --> 03:52:48,520
Speaker 1: tail at time. And then you can get uh an

4090
03:52:48,640 --> 03:52:52,760
Speaker 1: HBO miniseries where they make you like look slightly like

4091
03:52:52,800 --> 03:52:57,560
Speaker 1: you're in a boy band, only slightly. It's like you

4092
03:52:57,600 --> 03:53:00,280
Speaker 1: were in a boy band but aged out. Yeah, yeah,

4093
03:53:00,600 --> 03:53:08,280
Speaker 1: you were in. So the coat of silence also extends

4094
03:53:08,280 --> 03:53:11,760
Speaker 1: a friendly politicians. Here's some the Interset report. Soon after

4095
03:53:11,800 --> 03:53:14,080
Speaker 1: he came to the confidential section, he was given the

4096
03:53:14,080 --> 03:53:18,040
Speaker 1: assignment of investigating a deputy superintendent. The allegation was at

4097
03:53:18,080 --> 03:53:21,560
Speaker 1: the officer. The official lived outside the city. Mills worked

4098
03:53:21,560 --> 03:53:24,000
Speaker 1: on the case for months and concluded the allegation was true.

4099
03:53:24,040 --> 03:53:27,520
Speaker 1: He produced a thick file. Take months. I'm sorry, I

4100
03:53:27,640 --> 03:53:33,880
Speaker 1: don't have to take months. There cops allowances for the

4101
03:53:34,000 --> 03:53:40,360
Speaker 1: caper of where does this guy who works here? Yeah,

4102
03:53:40,920 --> 03:53:44,320
Speaker 1: very funny. The next day the file came back to him.

4103
03:53:44,360 --> 03:53:46,360
Speaker 1: It was mart There was a yellow post with a

4104
03:53:46,400 --> 03:53:56,040
Speaker 1: handwritten message and make it unfounded. So that's fun, awesome, amazing, Yeah,

4105
03:53:56,560 --> 03:54:01,160
Speaker 1: make it fun. Cops are cops are a breed of

4106
03:54:01,200 --> 03:54:09,400
Speaker 1: their own poetic pot. Yeah. So actually, there there's a

4107
03:54:09,400 --> 03:54:12,200
Speaker 1: long history of like, yeah, politicians do something cops all

4108
03:54:12,240 --> 03:54:15,840
Speaker 1: the time, Like remember the story, right, like Rama, Manuel's

4109
03:54:16,240 --> 03:54:19,840
Speaker 1: like nephew or something killed a guy in a car

4110
03:54:19,880 --> 03:54:23,720
Speaker 1: crash and the CPD he got, Manuel got the CPD

4111
03:54:23,760 --> 03:54:27,920
Speaker 1: to just like that, never investigated it. They just were like, oh,

4112
03:54:28,080 --> 03:54:30,160
Speaker 1: someone died in the car crash and it just went away.

4113
03:54:30,720 --> 03:54:35,280
Speaker 1: It's it's real fun. Um. Yeah. So so eventually shortly

4114
03:54:35,320 --> 03:54:38,160
Speaker 1: after this sort of those two cops get like detained

4115
03:54:38,400 --> 03:54:40,640
Speaker 1: at the police academy, the FBI and the in the

4116
03:54:40,680 --> 03:54:43,720
Speaker 1: CPT move on Watts and his partner Mohammed and no

4117
03:54:43,800 --> 03:54:47,400
Speaker 1: one else. Interestingly, because again, if you think about this

4118
03:54:47,440 --> 03:54:50,320
Speaker 1: for about five seconds, they were an enormous number of

4119
03:54:50,320 --> 03:54:53,600
Speaker 1: people who either know about this operation or are actively

4120
03:54:53,680 --> 03:54:56,160
Speaker 1: involved in running a fucking drug cartel that is one

4121
03:54:56,200 --> 03:54:57,840
Speaker 1: of the biggest players on the South Side, who are

4122
03:54:57,840 --> 03:55:02,000
Speaker 1: still just cops and like the CPD goes after exactly

4123
03:55:02,000 --> 03:55:05,320
Speaker 1: two people. There are like dozens of people who were

4124
03:55:05,360 --> 03:55:10,520
Speaker 1: actively involved in this who are still cops um and

4125
03:55:10,520 --> 03:55:12,920
Speaker 1: and you know, and the only real trafficition to this

4126
03:55:13,000 --> 03:55:15,040
Speaker 1: is that the FBI and the CPD are complicit, which

4127
03:55:15,080 --> 03:55:16,840
Speaker 1: is that you know, I mean, so parts of the

4128
03:55:16,840 --> 03:55:19,120
Speaker 1: CPD want to keep doing keep keep running the cartel.

4129
03:55:19,480 --> 03:55:22,400
Speaker 1: The FBI is like, both the FBI and the CBD

4130
03:55:22,440 --> 03:55:24,080
Speaker 1: also have an interest in keeping this covered up because

4131
03:55:24,080 --> 03:55:26,160
Speaker 1: they don't want like, you know, oh hey, look at

4132
03:55:26,160 --> 03:55:27,880
Speaker 1: the look at the loss of trust in in in

4133
03:55:27,960 --> 03:55:29,920
Speaker 1: law enforcement. It comes out that there were actually two

4134
03:55:29,960 --> 03:55:32,720
Speaker 1: cartels running in the same place at the same time,

4135
03:55:32,720 --> 03:55:35,440
Speaker 1: parallel to each other, and then we didn't catch them.

4136
03:55:35,520 --> 03:55:40,480
Speaker 1: Like it's yeah, but it's great because literally nothing happens

4137
03:55:40,520 --> 03:55:42,840
Speaker 1: to these people. They're still out there, they're still doing

4138
03:55:42,880 --> 03:55:47,680
Speaker 1: cops shit. Uh yeah, only two people went down for that,

4139
03:55:47,760 --> 03:55:50,280
Speaker 1: and yes, so the cartel is just still there. It's

4140
03:55:50,520 --> 03:55:53,600
Speaker 1: that's good, it's still well. It proves that if you

4141
03:55:53,640 --> 03:55:56,280
Speaker 1: put in the work, you can really build something that lasts.

4142
03:55:56,440 --> 03:55:59,040
Speaker 1: And I think that's a lesson we all should be

4143
03:55:59,080 --> 03:56:05,480
Speaker 1: inspired by. Pulled yourself up by your uh jack bootstraps

4144
03:56:05,600 --> 03:56:10,760
Speaker 1: and wow, yeah that's good stuff. Okay, So so interlude

4145
03:56:10,840 --> 03:56:14,400
Speaker 1: number two. On May four six, someone threw a stick

4146
03:56:14,400 --> 03:56:16,840
Speaker 1: of dynamite at some cops and Haymarket Square in Chicago,

4147
03:56:16,920 --> 03:56:19,120
Speaker 1: tree a general strike for the eight hour work day

4148
03:56:18,960 --> 03:56:22,200
Speaker 1: they started. The cops fired wildly into the crowd, and

4149
03:56:22,200 --> 03:56:25,240
Speaker 1: the state rounded up a bunch of completely random anarchists who,

4150
03:56:25,320 --> 03:56:27,360
Speaker 1: by their own admission, had nothing to do with it,

4151
03:56:27,400 --> 03:56:30,120
Speaker 1: and had them executed. Now, the cops, for their part,

4152
03:56:30,200 --> 03:56:34,240
Speaker 1: built a statue for the cops at Haymarket. Now. The

4153
03:56:34,240 --> 03:56:38,120
Speaker 1: first of these statues were destroyed on May fourth by

4154
03:56:38,120 --> 03:56:42,720
Speaker 1: a guy who just right, so he he had he

4155
03:56:42,760 --> 03:56:43,920
Speaker 1: was like, he's a street car driver, right, and he

4156
03:56:43,960 --> 03:56:45,880
Speaker 1: had to like every single day he had to go

4157
03:56:45,960 --> 03:56:48,480
Speaker 1: past the statue of the Hammarkert cop. And one day

4158
03:56:48,560 --> 03:56:51,240
Speaker 1: he was just like no, and he he ran his

4159
03:56:51,360 --> 03:56:54,680
Speaker 1: street car off of the st on rails, right, He

4160
03:56:54,840 --> 03:56:58,080
Speaker 1: random off of the rails and rammed it into the statue.

4161
03:56:58,440 --> 03:57:04,320
Speaker 1: This guy rules you, dope. So the costs build another statue,

4162
03:57:04,320 --> 03:57:06,160
Speaker 1: and that second statue was blown up by the weather

4163
03:57:06,240 --> 03:57:10,080
Speaker 1: underground in October nineteen nine. Uh, the costs make another statue.

4164
03:57:10,400 --> 03:57:12,400
Speaker 1: The third statue is also blown up by the weather

4165
03:57:12,520 --> 03:57:17,000
Speaker 1: underground in October ninety. It was like that was less

4166
03:57:17,040 --> 03:57:21,200
Speaker 1: than a year later. Yep, yeah, and so the continue

4167
03:57:21,280 --> 03:57:23,360
Speaker 1: they originally they rebuilt it again, right, and originally they

4168
03:57:23,360 --> 03:57:25,360
Speaker 1: have it under like a twenty four hour armed guard

4169
03:57:25,720 --> 03:57:28,280
Speaker 1: Jesus and then and then and then. But you know,

4170
03:57:28,320 --> 03:57:30,080
Speaker 1: even then they were like, okay, we can't protect it.

4171
03:57:30,120 --> 03:57:33,280
Speaker 1: So they moved it into an enclosed courtyard in the

4172
03:57:33,280 --> 03:57:36,320
Speaker 1: middle of the of Chicago Police Academy because they're too

4173
03:57:36,360 --> 03:57:40,280
Speaker 1: cowardly to show it in public. Awesome, that's good. That's

4174
03:57:40,280 --> 03:57:44,680
Speaker 1: a win. That's a win everyone so much that they

4175
03:57:44,680 --> 03:57:47,800
Speaker 1: have to hide the statue to the assholes who got killed. Yeah,

4176
03:57:47,840 --> 03:57:52,800
Speaker 1: that's great. One day, one day, that fourth statue will

4177
03:57:52,840 --> 03:57:58,000
Speaker 1: follow the first three one day, one day by the

4178
03:57:58,080 --> 03:58:03,280
Speaker 1: mere cosmic forces the universe, by entropy. The force of

4179
03:58:03,400 --> 03:58:07,880
Speaker 1: nentropy will one day destroy the statute. Yes, okay, So

4180
03:58:08,000 --> 03:58:10,960
Speaker 1: onto story number four. Story number four is the Chicago

4181
03:58:10,960 --> 03:58:14,920
Speaker 1: Police Department's black site. So the Chicago the Police Department

4182
03:58:14,960 --> 03:58:17,960
Speaker 1: has a black site called Home and Square. Um. So,

4183
03:58:17,960 --> 03:58:20,400
Speaker 1: so normally, you know, you go to a police station

4184
03:58:20,520 --> 03:58:23,720
Speaker 1: and you get booked, right, they book you, They put

4185
03:58:23,720 --> 03:58:26,240
Speaker 1: you into the system. And you know, because you're in

4186
03:58:26,280 --> 03:58:31,600
Speaker 1: the system, like you know where um like people people

4187
03:58:31,600 --> 03:58:33,240
Speaker 1: can find you, right because you can just look someone up.

4188
03:58:33,240 --> 03:58:35,440
Speaker 1: You can look someone up in the system. Uh. At

4189
03:58:35,480 --> 03:58:37,520
Speaker 1: Home and Square, they don't book people if you just

4190
03:58:37,600 --> 03:58:39,760
Speaker 1: if you go there, you just disappear. There's no record

4191
03:58:39,800 --> 03:58:42,200
Speaker 1: of you. Uh, there's no there's no way to contact

4192
03:58:42,200 --> 03:58:45,040
Speaker 1: a lawyer if you're in there. Uh, your lawyer doesn't

4193
03:58:45,040 --> 03:58:46,880
Speaker 1: know where you are because again there's no records of

4194
03:58:46,920 --> 03:58:48,520
Speaker 1: where you are. You've just been grabbed off the street

4195
03:58:48,520 --> 03:58:52,040
Speaker 1: and taken to a building. Um. Yeah, And and this

4196
03:58:52,160 --> 03:58:57,360
Speaker 1: is a so store storage people there tends to be

4197
03:58:57,880 --> 03:58:59,960
Speaker 1: pretty short. They don't tend to hold people longer than

4198
03:59:00,000 --> 03:59:02,960
Speaker 1: a couple of days. But what it's therefore is this

4199
03:59:03,000 --> 03:59:05,200
Speaker 1: is this is a confession machine. This is the way

4200
03:59:05,240 --> 03:59:07,880
Speaker 1: to force confessions out of people, um by just you know,

4201
03:59:08,000 --> 03:59:12,200
Speaker 1: literally disappearing them, uh and denying them access to lawyers

4202
03:59:12,360 --> 03:59:14,440
Speaker 1: or literally anyone knowing where they are. And they're just

4203
03:59:14,440 --> 03:59:17,600
Speaker 1: holding them until they confess. Uh. And also yesh so

4204
03:59:17,600 --> 03:59:20,640
Speaker 1: so at Home and Square, prisoners are routinely shackled for

4205
03:59:20,640 --> 03:59:23,480
Speaker 1: for hours, like like tens of hours, sometimes twenty four hours,

4206
03:59:24,080 --> 03:59:27,520
Speaker 1: beaten denied phone calls and robbed constantly. This is this

4207
03:59:27,600 --> 03:59:30,800
Speaker 1: is another fun sepety tradition is yeah, they'll just take

4208
03:59:30,840 --> 03:59:32,720
Speaker 1: you to this black site and then rob you and

4209
03:59:32,760 --> 03:59:34,880
Speaker 1: then maybe they'll release you, but you know they've still

4210
03:59:34,920 --> 03:59:39,280
Speaker 1: robbed you. And yes, you know they do these beatings,

4211
03:59:39,280 --> 03:59:42,640
Speaker 1: and these beatings are incredibly intense, Like you know that

4212
03:59:42,680 --> 03:59:44,920
Speaker 1: they're punching people. They're doing like knee strikes and doing

4213
03:59:44,960 --> 03:59:49,040
Speaker 1: elbow strikes. You're hitting people with batons. Sometimes they're tassering people. Uh.

4214
03:59:49,080 --> 03:59:51,880
Speaker 1: We we have a report that that the cops filed

4215
03:59:51,920 --> 03:59:54,760
Speaker 1: of listening listened as a cop being assaulted and the

4216
03:59:54,800 --> 03:59:58,680
Speaker 1: thing that they're listening as a non it was like

4217
03:59:58,680 --> 04:00:02,760
Speaker 1: like non like fist a salt. Was the guy spat blood? Yeah,

4218
04:00:02,840 --> 04:00:08,280
Speaker 1: well and they listened that as an assaults. Yeah, it's great,

4219
04:00:09,160 --> 04:00:11,800
Speaker 1: it's yeah. They also do things like they put like

4220
04:00:11,840 --> 04:00:21,680
Speaker 1: flex cuffs around people's necks. Torture. Yeah, yeah, they Yeah,

4221
04:00:21,720 --> 04:00:23,720
Speaker 1: that's a way for someone to die. But it's almost

4222
04:00:23,720 --> 04:00:25,920
Speaker 1: like that's maybe part of the intention is that someone

4223
04:00:25,920 --> 04:00:29,400
Speaker 1: will quote accidentally die or we'll get to that. Okay,

4224
04:00:29,560 --> 04:00:32,800
Speaker 1: well so not great, Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's it's not

4225
04:00:32,920 --> 04:00:35,760
Speaker 1: it's it's bad. There's another guy who Okay, so the

4226
04:00:35,800 --> 04:00:40,280
Speaker 1: cops are completely convinced this guy who was completely innocent. Well, okay,

4227
04:00:40,360 --> 04:00:41,960
Speaker 1: I do want to say, like I'm gonna say a

4228
04:00:41,960 --> 04:00:43,960
Speaker 1: lot of people are innocent because they are. But also like,

4229
04:00:44,080 --> 04:00:47,760
Speaker 1: even if you're guilty, you no one deserves this, Like

4230
04:00:47,880 --> 04:00:49,960
Speaker 1: maybe the cops doing it deserve it. But even then

4231
04:00:50,200 --> 04:00:54,960
Speaker 1: it's I don't even think they do, Like yeah, you don't, yeah, people, yeah,

4232
04:00:55,080 --> 04:00:57,440
Speaker 1: like so this guy, you might knock down a statue

4233
04:00:57,520 --> 04:01:00,600
Speaker 1: or three, but yeah, like you know, like it's yeah,

4234
04:01:00,640 --> 04:01:04,720
Speaker 1: it's it's really grim like yeah. So they hold this

4235
04:01:04,720 --> 04:01:07,840
Speaker 1: guy's mouth open with a pen, right, and then they

4236
04:01:07,920 --> 04:01:11,360
Speaker 1: keep elbowing him in the stomach until he throws up. Um.

4237
04:01:11,480 --> 04:01:13,160
Speaker 1: And so she tries to get medical attention because he

4238
04:01:13,200 --> 04:01:15,120
Speaker 1: keeps throwing up because he has asthma, I mean also

4239
04:01:15,200 --> 04:01:18,480
Speaker 1: because she just got elbowed in the stomach repe his

4240
04:01:18,560 --> 04:01:22,520
Speaker 1: mouth yeah um. And instead of giving him medical treatment

4241
04:01:22,560 --> 04:01:24,800
Speaker 1: even though he like easily could have died, the cops

4242
04:01:24,840 --> 04:01:28,720
Speaker 1: just beat him up for asking. There's another guy who

4243
04:01:28,760 --> 04:01:31,600
Speaker 1: gets uh sexually abused with the barrel of a gun,

4244
04:01:31,960 --> 04:01:34,280
Speaker 1: and when he starts screaming, the guard the gun goes

4245
04:01:34,280 --> 04:01:35,800
Speaker 1: on a ranch about how he needs to be careful

4246
04:01:35,880 --> 04:01:39,800
Speaker 1: or he might accidentally pull the trigger. Oh boy, it's

4247
04:01:39,880 --> 04:01:44,120
Speaker 1: it's bad. Um. This this is all within that specific Yeah,

4248
04:01:44,160 --> 04:01:45,600
Speaker 1: this is this is this is this is all just

4249
04:01:45,760 --> 04:01:49,680
Speaker 1: in homeland square. Um. He claims that like the cell

4250
04:01:49,760 --> 04:01:51,680
Speaker 1: he's being held in, he doesn't get any food, doesn't

4251
04:01:51,680 --> 04:01:53,680
Speaker 1: get any water. They keep him there for hours and

4252
04:01:53,800 --> 04:01:58,120
Speaker 1: the like the cell just smells like blood and like feces,

4253
04:01:58,160 --> 04:02:01,120
Speaker 1: because yeah, they don't people go to the bathroom to

4254
04:02:01,280 --> 04:02:06,200
Speaker 1: other individuals. Uh. Stephanie Martinez and Calvin Coffy described relieving

4255
04:02:06,240 --> 04:02:10,240
Speaker 1: themselves well shackled in a Home and Square and interrogation room. Martinez,

4256
04:02:10,320 --> 04:02:12,080
Speaker 1: locked up with two thousand six, was told by a

4257
04:02:12,120 --> 04:02:14,360
Speaker 1: guard that she did not have the key to Martinez

4258
04:02:14,400 --> 04:02:16,800
Speaker 1: has handcuffs and could not take her to the bathroom. Kofe,

4259
04:02:17,200 --> 04:02:20,040
Speaker 1: taken to Home and Square on the sixth of February

4260
04:02:20,040 --> 04:02:24,120
Speaker 1: two thou fifteen on suspicion of narcotic activity, defecated on

4261
04:02:24,160 --> 04:02:27,480
Speaker 1: the floor after two hours, fruitlessly requesting for the bathroom.

4262
04:02:27,520 --> 04:02:29,920
Speaker 1: A police officer made Calvin clean it up with his

4263
04:02:29,960 --> 04:02:36,440
Speaker 1: skull cap. The lawsuit alleges it's these people are sick there,

4264
04:02:37,280 --> 04:02:42,840
Speaker 1: it's it's yeah, yeah, yeah, they hate that. It's like yeah,

4265
04:02:43,520 --> 04:02:46,440
Speaker 1: and you know, things that they're holding children in here,

4266
04:02:46,440 --> 04:02:48,320
Speaker 1: like they have people as young as fifteen who are

4267
04:02:48,320 --> 04:02:51,680
Speaker 1: being literally they never everything about this is that when

4268
04:02:51,720 --> 04:02:54,520
Speaker 1: so sometimes sometimes you get sort of like arrested normally,

4269
04:02:54,560 --> 04:02:58,280
Speaker 1: although again I should mention that the Constitution does not

4270
04:02:58,360 --> 04:03:01,240
Speaker 1: exist like it's it's a it's a lie. No one

4271
04:03:01,280 --> 04:03:03,440
Speaker 1: ever gets sucking read the miranda rights. It doesn't matter

4272
04:03:03,600 --> 04:03:08,120
Speaker 1: because the constitution doesn't exist if you're poor. Yeah, it

4273
04:03:08,200 --> 04:03:10,840
Speaker 1: sort of exists if you're not, but I will guarantee

4274
04:03:10,840 --> 04:03:12,720
Speaker 1: you they're reading their miranda rights to people who look

4275
04:03:12,760 --> 04:03:14,880
Speaker 1: like they got yeah yeah, yeah, no, these people there's

4276
04:03:14,880 --> 04:03:16,640
Speaker 1: actually a story of these two point rieking guys who

4277
04:03:16,720 --> 04:03:19,440
Speaker 1: got brought in and they like the cops are like

4278
04:03:19,440 --> 04:03:20,760
Speaker 1: trying to get them, give us something, and they just

4279
04:03:20,800 --> 04:03:23,200
Speaker 1: like they start name dropping like civil rights lawyers, and

4280
04:03:23,240 --> 04:03:26,000
Speaker 1: the cops are like, okay, okay, uh, we're good. We'll

4281
04:03:26,040 --> 04:03:27,880
Speaker 1: we'll we'll drive you back. If you don't talk, we'll

4282
04:03:27,880 --> 04:03:29,880
Speaker 1: we'll drive we'll drive you back to like where you

4283
04:03:29,920 --> 04:03:34,240
Speaker 1: came from. Yeah, it's yeah, it's it's extremely grim. Yeah,

4284
04:03:34,280 --> 04:03:36,800
Speaker 1: they just want to funk with people who can't defend themselves. Yeah, yeah,

4285
04:03:36,880 --> 04:03:38,120
Speaker 1: and you know, and the way they do this right,

4286
04:03:38,160 --> 04:03:41,720
Speaker 1: Like they they do these raids where like everyone's they're

4287
04:03:41,720 --> 04:03:44,200
Speaker 1: they're they're they're not wearing badges. Everyone's just like wearing

4288
04:03:44,240 --> 04:03:47,800
Speaker 1: matt like like black armor and like black masks. And

4289
04:03:47,800 --> 04:03:49,560
Speaker 1: so people describe getting like dragged out of their house

4290
04:03:49,600 --> 04:03:51,160
Speaker 1: and they don't know if they're getting robbed or like

4291
04:03:51,200 --> 04:03:53,360
Speaker 1: if they're being kidnapped. And then they are being kidnapped

4292
04:03:53,400 --> 04:03:55,720
Speaker 1: by just being kidnapped like by the cops, and they

4293
04:03:55,720 --> 04:03:57,920
Speaker 1: get dragged and then again they're they're dragging like fifteen

4294
04:03:57,960 --> 04:04:01,760
Speaker 1: year olds into the into this thing. I there, there's

4295
04:04:01,840 --> 04:04:06,600
Speaker 1: one guy who gets found unresponsive in an interrogation room. Um,

4296
04:04:06,640 --> 04:04:09,240
Speaker 1: now the police say that they died from heroin overdose.

4297
04:04:09,440 --> 04:04:15,840
Speaker 1: But this makes literally no sense. So the first reason

4298
04:04:15,880 --> 04:04:17,400
Speaker 1: why it doesn't make any sense is that the cops

4299
04:04:17,400 --> 04:04:19,720
Speaker 1: initially lie about where he about where he like had

4300
04:04:19,760 --> 04:04:21,560
Speaker 1: the overdose and died because they don't want to reveal

4301
04:04:21,640 --> 04:04:24,600
Speaker 1: that he, uh you know, was in their secret black site,

4302
04:04:24,600 --> 04:04:26,080
Speaker 1: so they like lied and that he was another he

4303
04:04:26,120 --> 04:04:30,840
Speaker 1: was at another site. Now the other thing you know

4304
04:04:30,880 --> 04:04:33,680
Speaker 1: that that contradicts the claimed that this guy was had

4305
04:04:33,680 --> 04:04:35,920
Speaker 1: a heroin overdose. Is that the hospital when he when

4306
04:04:35,920 --> 04:04:37,960
Speaker 1: when the hospital saw him, they wrote that he was sober.

4307
04:04:39,320 --> 04:04:41,280
Speaker 1: So I mean he could have he could have had

4308
04:04:41,280 --> 04:04:44,120
Speaker 1: a heroin overdose in terms of the cops injecting full

4309
04:04:44,160 --> 04:04:47,480
Speaker 1: of yeah, like yeah, that's the most likely thing. Like

4310
04:04:47,920 --> 04:04:49,760
Speaker 1: there's nothing part of this. So so this guy was

4311
04:04:49,800 --> 04:04:53,640
Speaker 1: selling cocaine right, um, but again he's selling cocaine, not heroin.

4312
04:04:53,920 --> 04:04:56,920
Speaker 1: And the other and you know, his his partner, like

4313
04:04:57,320 --> 04:04:59,040
Speaker 1: there was another guy he was he was selling cocaine

4314
04:04:59,120 --> 04:05:02,240
Speaker 1: with like his partner, when everyone who knew him was

4315
04:05:02,240 --> 04:05:04,480
Speaker 1: completely insistant that you know he does he doesn't do drugs, right,

4316
04:05:04,520 --> 04:05:07,160
Speaker 1: he sells them because you know, do you sell drugs?

4317
04:05:07,600 --> 04:05:10,480
Speaker 1: But yeah, and and the cops and you know there

4318
04:05:10,520 --> 04:05:12,080
Speaker 1: are things that the cops do. The comp thing where

4319
04:05:12,080 --> 04:05:14,560
Speaker 1: they they changed their story twice. So originally they said

4320
04:05:14,600 --> 04:05:18,880
Speaker 1: that he like committed suicide by heroin overdosing, and then

4321
04:05:19,080 --> 04:05:22,160
Speaker 1: they changed their story too. He died by accidents. Um.

4322
04:05:22,360 --> 04:05:26,000
Speaker 1: The The other thing that that indicates that he probably

4323
04:05:26,040 --> 04:05:28,080
Speaker 1: did not in fact die from heroin overdose is that

4324
04:05:28,120 --> 04:05:30,600
Speaker 1: there's bruises all over his face. He has a busted lip,

4325
04:05:30,960 --> 04:05:32,960
Speaker 1: his neck is super red, and none of that shows

4326
04:05:33,040 --> 04:05:36,560
Speaker 1: up in the in the police autopsy. And yeah, yeah,

4327
04:05:36,560 --> 04:05:39,640
Speaker 1: and this all reads just like a standard Burge error interrogation,

4328
04:05:39,720 --> 04:05:41,120
Speaker 1: so that like they beat him, they put a bag

4329
04:05:41,160 --> 04:05:43,000
Speaker 1: over said to suffocate him, and then you plant heroin

4330
04:05:43,120 --> 04:05:46,880
Speaker 1: on him and you know, you you call him Yeah,

4331
04:05:45,320 --> 04:05:48,880
Speaker 1: that's the day's work. Yeah yeah, and you know, and

4332
04:05:48,960 --> 04:05:50,960
Speaker 1: there's there's another thing that that that I should mention

4333
04:05:51,040 --> 04:05:54,000
Speaker 1: here about the story, which is that, Okay, so this

4334
04:05:54,000 --> 04:05:57,360
Speaker 1: guy is in a Chicago Police Department black site, right,

4335
04:05:59,000 --> 04:06:02,000
Speaker 1: how did he get hair a win in? Like everyone

4336
04:06:02,040 --> 04:06:04,440
Speaker 1: in his black side is literally shackled to a wall,

4337
04:06:05,240 --> 04:06:07,280
Speaker 1: Like there's no the old the old place the hare

4338
04:06:07,320 --> 04:06:09,480
Speaker 1: we could possibly have come from is the cops. So

4339
04:06:09,520 --> 04:06:12,760
Speaker 1: it's like, you know, and independent autopsy says he dies

4340
04:06:12,760 --> 04:06:17,720
Speaker 1: of asphyxiation. Uh so yeah, I'm gonna read something from

4341
04:06:17,720 --> 04:06:22,720
Speaker 1: the Guardian about the guy who uh, the guy's partner

4342
04:06:22,720 --> 04:06:25,320
Speaker 1: who was in the next cell over. The other partner

4343
04:06:25,360 --> 04:06:27,960
Speaker 1: who requested to be cited as John Doewell. He rebuilds

4344
04:06:27,960 --> 04:06:30,640
Speaker 1: his life post conviction, was in a Home and Square

4345
04:06:30,680 --> 04:06:34,520
Speaker 1: interrogation room near Galvin's while Dobe was unable to see inside.

4346
04:06:34,600 --> 04:06:37,280
Speaker 1: He told The Guardian he heard a lot of commotion,

4347
04:06:37,400 --> 04:06:40,120
Speaker 1: then booming and banging, and then a gagging sound coming

4348
04:06:40,160 --> 04:06:44,720
Speaker 1: from his friend's cell. His partner. Yeah, so this this guy,

4349
04:06:45,320 --> 04:06:48,080
Speaker 1: uh like his partner, like he's that guy's also like

4350
04:06:48,160 --> 04:06:51,360
Speaker 1: chained to a wall for like twelve hours. Um here

4351
04:06:51,480 --> 04:06:53,680
Speaker 1: here's he he's both them today. I heard a holler,

4352
04:06:53,760 --> 04:06:55,880
Speaker 1: I heard officers talking to him. After that, I just

4353
04:06:55,880 --> 04:06:58,800
Speaker 1: heard a lot of commotion like boom boom boom boom

4354
04:06:58,800 --> 04:07:01,760
Speaker 1: and banging boom boom, boom, boom boom, And then I

4355
04:07:01,760 --> 04:07:04,440
Speaker 1: didn't hear nothing after that. My door was kind of

4356
04:07:04,440 --> 04:07:06,520
Speaker 1: cracked and then they shut it. After that, they shut

4357
04:07:06,520 --> 04:07:09,480
Speaker 1: my door all the way. Before the police shut the

4358
04:07:09,480 --> 04:07:11,760
Speaker 1: door dozed, I heard a gagging sound like he makes

4359
04:07:11,760 --> 04:07:14,640
Speaker 1: a choking noise, like choking, like somebody was choking after

4360
04:07:14,640 --> 04:07:18,880
Speaker 1: the commotion, like choking. I yeah, oh yeah, it's it's

4361
04:07:19,000 --> 04:07:22,160
Speaker 1: very it's very obvious from the get go. Yeah. Yeah,

4362
04:07:22,160 --> 04:07:25,800
Speaker 1: like they tortured this guy to death and yeah, it's yeah.

4363
04:07:25,840 --> 04:07:27,760
Speaker 1: And and the other fun part about Homeo squares Homeles

4364
04:07:27,800 --> 04:07:30,600
Speaker 1: square is also used to torture political prisoners. All right,

4365
04:07:31,320 --> 04:07:34,640
Speaker 1: So Brian Brian Jacob Church is a member of the

4366
04:07:34,680 --> 04:07:36,880
Speaker 1: NATO three, which is a group of anti NATO protesters

4367
04:07:36,920 --> 04:07:39,760
Speaker 1: and twelve who got set up by an incredibly elaborate

4368
04:07:39,800 --> 04:07:42,800
Speaker 1: government entrapment scheme and arrested for it. Um and he

4369
04:07:42,840 --> 04:07:45,120
Speaker 1: was taken immediately to Homemod Square. He's never read his

4370
04:07:45,200 --> 04:07:47,880
Speaker 1: branda rights, He's cuffed to a bench for seventeen hours

4371
04:07:48,480 --> 04:07:50,840
Speaker 1: um and he he asked to call his lawyer because

4372
04:07:50,920 --> 04:07:52,720
Speaker 1: like a good leftist, he has the National Lawyers Fuield

4373
04:07:52,760 --> 04:07:56,000
Speaker 1: number written on his arm. And you know, this is

4374
04:07:56,160 --> 04:07:59,120
Speaker 1: something that's important. So the Guardian talked to like dozens

4375
04:07:59,160 --> 04:08:02,920
Speaker 1: of people who were held year right, um. Exactly two

4376
04:08:02,960 --> 04:08:04,600
Speaker 1: of them were able to contact a lawyer and they

4377
04:08:04,600 --> 04:08:06,760
Speaker 1: were both white and Church Church is one of them.

4378
04:08:06,800 --> 04:08:10,240
Speaker 1: And this is actually how uh part of how Home

4379
04:08:10,240 --> 04:08:12,720
Speaker 1: and Score goes public because Brian Jacob Church like talks

4380
04:08:12,720 --> 04:08:15,560
Speaker 1: to the press about it and Spencer Ackerman it's a

4381
04:08:15,720 --> 04:08:18,120
Speaker 1: great journalist, does a bunch of incredible reporting and like

4382
04:08:18,240 --> 04:08:21,720
Speaker 1: brings the black site to light. And so there's there's

4383
04:08:21,760 --> 04:08:24,400
Speaker 1: seven thousand, one and eighty five people we can prove

4384
04:08:24,960 --> 04:08:27,720
Speaker 1: we're taken to Home and Square. Uh, six thousand of

4385
04:08:27,720 --> 04:08:30,040
Speaker 1: those people are black. Less than one per cent of

4386
04:08:30,080 --> 04:08:32,600
Speaker 1: those people had their rest logged, which means the cops

4387
04:08:32,600 --> 04:08:37,080
Speaker 1: just vanished them. Uh, it's almost certainly more people. Now,

4388
04:08:37,960 --> 04:08:40,440
Speaker 1: I'm going to read something about this from from the

4389
04:08:40,440 --> 04:08:43,720
Speaker 1: book Writings from the World of Policing. This Home and

4390
04:08:43,760 --> 04:08:46,520
Speaker 1: Score revelation seems to me to be an institutionalization of

4391
04:08:46,520 --> 04:08:49,960
Speaker 1: practices that date back more than forty years, said Flint Taylor,

4392
04:08:50,000 --> 04:08:52,600
Speaker 1: the civil rights lawyer and most associated with pursuing Area

4393
04:08:52,680 --> 04:08:56,400
Speaker 1: to Commander John Burge. Back when I first started working

4394
04:08:56,440 --> 04:08:59,160
Speaker 1: on torture cases started representing criminal defense in the early

4395
04:08:59,280 --> 04:09:03,360
Speaker 1: nineteen seventies, Taylor continued, My clients often told me they've

4396
04:09:03,400 --> 04:09:05,520
Speaker 1: been taken from one police station to another before ending

4397
04:09:05,600 --> 04:09:07,880
Speaker 1: up an area to where they were tortured. That way,

4398
04:09:07,920 --> 04:09:10,240
Speaker 1: the police prevent their families and lawyers from seeing them

4399
04:09:10,320 --> 04:09:12,800
Speaker 1: until they could coerci the torture or other means confession

4400
04:09:12,840 --> 04:09:16,920
Speaker 1: from them. So, yeah, that that's our fucking police reform.

4401
04:09:17,240 --> 04:09:19,320
Speaker 1: Instead of having a instead of taking the police station

4402
04:09:19,360 --> 04:09:21,120
Speaker 1: to police station, the police have now been reformed so

4403
04:09:21,160 --> 04:09:24,640
Speaker 1: that they have one institutionalized black site instead of multiple ones.

4404
04:09:25,320 --> 04:09:27,680
Speaker 1: Home and Square is still open to this day that

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04:09:27,720 --> 04:09:30,840
Speaker 1: this came out. There have been like over half a

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04:09:30,880 --> 04:09:36,400
Speaker 1: decade of protest against it um. So supposedly the rules

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04:09:36,400 --> 04:09:37,960
Speaker 1: have changed and if you get a rested they have

4408
04:09:37,960 --> 04:09:40,880
Speaker 1: to put you in the system. But square is still open.

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04:09:40,960 --> 04:09:44,480
Speaker 1: There's probably another one like somewhere that they've just they've

4410
04:09:44,520 --> 04:09:46,680
Speaker 1: they've they've they've switched which side they're doing their black

4411
04:09:46,720 --> 04:09:54,760
Speaker 1: sites on, and yeah, well, yeah, I have I have

4412
04:09:54,800 --> 04:09:58,720
Speaker 1: a have a closing statement. It is it is an

4413
04:09:58,720 --> 04:10:01,920
Speaker 1: inhuman crime that a single one of these fucking demons

4414
04:10:01,960 --> 04:10:03,720
Speaker 1: is allowed to roam our streets with the badge and

4415
04:10:03,760 --> 04:10:05,720
Speaker 1: the authority to rape, torture and murder us, and the

4416
04:10:05,720 --> 04:10:07,480
Speaker 1: certainty that the system will beat us into a pulp

4417
04:10:07,520 --> 04:10:10,440
Speaker 1: if we attempt, even in the smallest way both symbolic

4418
04:10:10,440 --> 04:10:13,960
Speaker 1: way possible, to resist them. The police must be abolished.

4419
04:10:14,000 --> 04:10:16,280
Speaker 1: There is no alternative. For the sake of our survival,

4420
04:10:16,320 --> 04:10:18,080
Speaker 1: for the survival of children, and for the sake of

4421
04:10:18,120 --> 04:10:20,440
Speaker 1: every generation that is bore its horrors before us. We

4422
04:10:20,480 --> 04:10:22,800
Speaker 1: could only abolish the police, salt the earth upon which

4423
04:10:22,800 --> 04:10:24,880
Speaker 1: it stands, and drive the very concept of policing into

4424
04:10:24,880 --> 04:10:27,120
Speaker 1: a space of such infamy and terror that even the

4425
04:10:27,120 --> 04:10:29,200
Speaker 1: worst among us would not dare to even propose bringing

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04:10:29,240 --> 04:10:33,000
Speaker 1: it back. Also, get rid of that last statue, Yeah,

4427
04:10:33,040 --> 04:10:36,760
Speaker 1: that one destroyed. Let's knock that one out of there too. Yeah.

4428
04:10:37,320 --> 04:10:39,400
Speaker 1: I mean, I feel like everyone who's ever been to

4429
04:10:39,480 --> 04:10:44,280
Speaker 1: that site has should have the the the like universal

4430
04:10:44,400 --> 04:10:48,040
Speaker 1: right to take a hammer and maybe you know, maybe

4431
04:10:48,080 --> 04:10:51,200
Speaker 1: maybe an RPG and just like do whatever they want

4432
04:10:51,320 --> 04:10:55,200
Speaker 1: to that building. Yeah. I think the men who continued

4433
04:10:55,280 --> 04:10:58,400
Speaker 1: to like in women who continued to work in CPD,

4434
04:10:59,040 --> 04:11:02,640
Speaker 1: like anyone who was ever arrested by them or or

4435
04:11:02,640 --> 04:11:05,560
Speaker 1: otherwise brutalize them should just forever have the right to

4436
04:11:05,680 --> 04:11:08,400
Speaker 1: just give him like a solid shot to the balls,

4437
04:11:08,640 --> 04:11:11,520
Speaker 1: you know, like just just like they get to wear

4438
04:11:11,560 --> 04:11:13,080
Speaker 1: a little sign around their neck and it's like, oh

4439
04:11:13,160 --> 04:11:15,280
Speaker 1: that guy used to that guy was you know, it

4440
04:11:15,400 --> 04:11:18,000
Speaker 1: was one of Burgess dudes. So anybody who sees them

4441
04:11:18,120 --> 04:11:20,800
Speaker 1: can just give him, give him a little haymaker right

4442
04:11:20,800 --> 04:11:23,840
Speaker 1: in the right in the bread basket. That is a proposal,

4443
04:11:23,920 --> 04:11:27,960
Speaker 1: that is I'm running from the mayor of Chicago. I mean,

4444
04:11:28,040 --> 04:11:31,160
Speaker 1: i I'd look, our bears all suck, So you know,

4445
04:11:31,480 --> 04:11:33,520
Speaker 1: move move over here, and we we we we can

4446
04:11:33,560 --> 04:11:37,640
Speaker 1: propose a solution to this problem. That is so unbelievably

4447
04:11:37,720 --> 04:11:40,400
Speaker 1: not proportionately violence to what the police have been doing.

4448
04:11:41,120 --> 04:11:44,760
Speaker 1: That it boggles belief. And I'm pretty sure I can

4449
04:11:44,760 --> 04:11:48,440
Speaker 1: still manage to be corrupt. Yeah, yeah, I mean it's Chicago.

4450
04:11:48,600 --> 04:11:51,720
Speaker 1: You can't not. I mean, I guess. I mean life

4451
04:11:51,760 --> 04:11:54,360
Speaker 1: was sort of corrupt. Life's less corrupt than normal. She's

4452
04:11:54,440 --> 04:12:00,320
Speaker 1: just bad. But yeah, it's Chicago. You'll you'll find corrupt,

4453
04:12:00,360 --> 04:12:07,520
Speaker 1: corruption will be foisted upon you. I'm actually fine with that. Well,

4454
04:12:10,400 --> 04:12:15,600
Speaker 1: another another uplifting episode, if it could happen. Yeah, I

4455
04:12:15,640 --> 04:12:20,040
Speaker 1: will say this like Garrison named it last yet earlier today, Hi,

4456
04:12:20,320 --> 04:12:23,400
Speaker 1: here's a problem by you know, and I will say

4457
04:12:23,640 --> 04:12:26,320
Speaker 1: any any time, any time someone tells you that like, no,

4458
04:12:26,440 --> 04:12:28,560
Speaker 1: it's fine, we're going to reform the police, just like

4459
04:12:28,640 --> 04:12:31,480
Speaker 1: remind them that reforming the Chicago Police Department went was

4460
04:12:31,560 --> 04:12:33,880
Speaker 1: that the reform was that we don't have black sites.

4461
04:12:34,200 --> 04:12:38,640
Speaker 1: We now have. We now have consolidated the black We

4462
04:12:38,720 --> 04:12:40,920
Speaker 1: went from multiple black sites to one black site. And

4463
04:12:40,960 --> 04:12:44,560
Speaker 1: also they probably moved it again. Just you just have

4464
04:12:44,680 --> 04:12:51,560
Speaker 1: to get rid of that is the essence of police report. Anyway, Yep,

4465
04:12:51,760 --> 04:13:07,240
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