1 00:00:00,120 --> 00:00:02,920 Speaker 1: Every buck doesn't need to be a high scoring trophy buck. 2 00:00:03,040 --> 00:00:07,080 Speaker 1: You're actually doing the herd disservice if you focus solely 3 00:00:07,120 --> 00:00:09,640 Speaker 1: on score and not directly on age. 4 00:00:09,800 --> 00:00:14,280 Speaker 2: To me, a great hunter can go. Dude, I don't 5 00:00:14,280 --> 00:00:16,560 Speaker 2: have a pressure pressure to shoot a buck. I don't 6 00:00:16,600 --> 00:00:19,360 Speaker 2: need a buck to post. There's nothing that you know 7 00:00:19,800 --> 00:00:22,160 Speaker 2: I is of the age class that I want to shoot, 8 00:00:22,280 --> 00:00:24,040 Speaker 2: So I'm just not going to shoot anything this year. 9 00:00:24,200 --> 00:00:28,040 Speaker 3: Welcome to back forty, brought to you by land dot com, 10 00:00:28,080 --> 00:00:33,479 Speaker 3: the leading online real estate marketplace to find your perfect rural, recreational, agricultural, 11 00:00:33,920 --> 00:00:36,720 Speaker 3: or hunting properties here in the US, and for the 12 00:00:36,760 --> 00:00:39,640 Speaker 3: next two weeks only go to the meat eater dot 13 00:00:39,680 --> 00:00:43,360 Speaker 3: com backslash back forty for a chance to win a 14 00:00:43,360 --> 00:00:46,760 Speaker 3: white tail kit work one thousand dollars. The contest ends 15 00:00:47,120 --> 00:00:50,120 Speaker 3: August twelveth so don't wait. 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To kick off the series, 25 00:01:23,440 --> 00:01:27,280 Speaker 3: It's a question I feel all hunters face at some 26 00:01:27,440 --> 00:01:32,040 Speaker 3: point internally externally, and the question is do great hunters 27 00:01:32,080 --> 00:01:34,720 Speaker 3: really shoot a buck every single year? The panel of 28 00:01:34,720 --> 00:01:37,039 Speaker 3: experts I brought in it seemingly feels like they shoot 29 00:01:37,040 --> 00:01:40,800 Speaker 3: their target buck every single year. And as we're building 30 00:01:40,880 --> 00:01:43,880 Speaker 3: up our own excitement and anticipation for the season, I 31 00:01:43,920 --> 00:01:46,880 Speaker 3: often feel that it builds up like a pressure cooker 32 00:01:47,160 --> 00:01:49,080 Speaker 3: and you feel like you have to shoot a buck 33 00:01:49,120 --> 00:01:51,040 Speaker 3: in order to feel like a great hunter or a 34 00:01:51,080 --> 00:01:53,920 Speaker 3: good hunter. And this is the question we dive into 35 00:01:53,960 --> 00:01:56,720 Speaker 3: because I think it provides a clarity and context of 36 00:01:56,840 --> 00:01:59,600 Speaker 3: how often these experts are really shooting a buck every 37 00:01:59,600 --> 00:02:02,480 Speaker 3: single year. What does it look like your target buckets 38 00:02:02,520 --> 00:02:04,960 Speaker 3: killed by EHD or get hits by a car, or 39 00:02:05,000 --> 00:02:07,480 Speaker 3: you're just having a really tough year. Is it relatable 40 00:02:07,640 --> 00:02:09,560 Speaker 3: to these folks? And I think you guys will really 41 00:02:09,639 --> 00:02:12,600 Speaker 3: enjoy this. This kicks off the Back forty podcast and 42 00:02:12,720 --> 00:02:14,560 Speaker 3: each week we're going to be diving into a different 43 00:02:14,560 --> 00:02:17,560 Speaker 3: white tailed dilemma and question with the same expert panel, 44 00:02:17,639 --> 00:02:20,480 Speaker 3: so you can get a good perspective from a variety 45 00:02:20,480 --> 00:02:22,639 Speaker 3: of different folks on how they feel about a question 46 00:02:22,800 --> 00:02:25,920 Speaker 3: that we all likely ask ourselves throughout the build up 47 00:02:25,960 --> 00:02:27,400 Speaker 3: and anticipation of the season. 48 00:02:27,440 --> 00:02:28,240 Speaker 4: So I hope you. 49 00:02:28,120 --> 00:02:30,680 Speaker 3: Guys enjoy it and stick around for next week, and 50 00:02:30,919 --> 00:02:34,600 Speaker 3: let's get into our expert panel to dive into the 51 00:02:34,639 --> 00:02:38,560 Speaker 3: burning question, do great hunters really shoot a buck every 52 00:02:38,720 --> 00:02:39,480 Speaker 3: single year? 53 00:02:39,720 --> 00:02:40,280 Speaker 4: Here we go. 54 00:02:40,560 --> 00:02:42,480 Speaker 5: I don't want to shoot a bunch of one seventies 55 00:02:42,480 --> 00:02:44,959 Speaker 5: because I look at it up as those year could 56 00:02:44,960 --> 00:02:47,679 Speaker 5: be real giants a year from now. I'm wanting to 57 00:02:47,680 --> 00:02:50,280 Speaker 5: shoot the biggest bucks I can possibly find, and to 58 00:02:50,360 --> 00:02:52,080 Speaker 5: do that, you got to let a lot of really 59 00:02:52,120 --> 00:02:52,919 Speaker 5: good bucks go. 60 00:02:53,160 --> 00:02:56,240 Speaker 6: Hey, guys, Mark Kenyon here and I want to let 61 00:02:56,240 --> 00:02:58,880 Speaker 6: you know that you are tuned in today to a 62 00:02:59,080 --> 00:03:02,040 Speaker 6: brand new mini series here on the Wired to Hunt 63 00:03:02,120 --> 00:03:05,119 Speaker 6: feed with my good buddy Jake Hofer, who's sitting next 64 00:03:05,120 --> 00:03:08,080 Speaker 6: to me right now. If you're watching this, and I 65 00:03:08,120 --> 00:03:10,919 Speaker 6: hope that you listen to the full Wired Hunt podcast 66 00:03:10,960 --> 00:03:13,640 Speaker 6: that me and Jake did last week in which we 67 00:03:13,840 --> 00:03:18,520 Speaker 6: fully discussed this new series, the motivations behind it, what 68 00:03:18,520 --> 00:03:21,080 Speaker 6: we're trying to achieve, what the new format is, and everything. 69 00:03:21,160 --> 00:03:23,240 Speaker 6: So go back and listen to that episode if you 70 00:03:23,280 --> 00:03:26,040 Speaker 6: have it. But if you don't want to go back 71 00:03:26,080 --> 00:03:28,160 Speaker 6: and listen to that, and instead you're in vested in 72 00:03:28,280 --> 00:03:30,520 Speaker 6: the thing that you just hit on your phone and 73 00:03:30,560 --> 00:03:32,280 Speaker 6: you want to listen to this right now, Jake is 74 00:03:32,320 --> 00:03:35,200 Speaker 6: going to introduce himself in the concept real quick for 75 00:03:35,240 --> 00:03:38,080 Speaker 6: you now as we kick off this brand new series, 76 00:03:38,440 --> 00:03:39,640 Speaker 6: the Back for You podcast. 77 00:03:39,840 --> 00:03:40,640 Speaker 4: It's gonna be great. 78 00:03:40,840 --> 00:03:43,040 Speaker 6: You're an enjoy it. And Jake, what is in store? 79 00:03:43,160 --> 00:03:43,360 Speaker 7: Man? 80 00:03:43,400 --> 00:03:44,640 Speaker 4: We have a lot of exciting things. 81 00:03:44,640 --> 00:03:47,800 Speaker 3: We all face white tailed lemmas, you know, similar questions 82 00:03:47,880 --> 00:03:51,400 Speaker 3: here after a year, anticipation and excitement is building like 83 00:03:51,440 --> 00:03:54,320 Speaker 3: a fever pitch for the season, and so with excitement 84 00:03:54,320 --> 00:03:58,200 Speaker 3: comes to nervousness. And I had wrangled eight people I 85 00:03:58,280 --> 00:04:01,240 Speaker 3: really respect, I know really well, and I thought back 86 00:04:01,280 --> 00:04:04,840 Speaker 3: through my own questions, questions I hear every year, and 87 00:04:04,960 --> 00:04:07,240 Speaker 3: each week you're going to get a panel of eight 88 00:04:07,320 --> 00:04:11,760 Speaker 3: coaches for one question, one dilemma leading all the way 89 00:04:11,800 --> 00:04:14,080 Speaker 3: up into the season, and we're gonna be covering a 90 00:04:14,120 --> 00:04:17,320 Speaker 3: variety of different topics, and this week we're starting with one. 91 00:04:17,360 --> 00:04:19,520 Speaker 3: If you've been behind all year, and I hope everyone 92 00:04:19,560 --> 00:04:21,400 Speaker 3: tunes in each week because there's a lot of value, 93 00:04:21,440 --> 00:04:23,800 Speaker 3: a lot of different perspectives you can figure out. I 94 00:04:23,839 --> 00:04:26,719 Speaker 3: wonder what this person thinks about this question and what 95 00:04:26,800 --> 00:04:28,640 Speaker 3: a different from the next person. And you're going to 96 00:04:28,839 --> 00:04:31,960 Speaker 3: tune in and get your own information, and I think 97 00:04:32,000 --> 00:04:35,039 Speaker 3: that you'll find a lot of value and all of 98 00:04:35,080 --> 00:04:38,320 Speaker 3: the answers under one topic. First up, we have none 99 00:04:38,360 --> 00:04:42,120 Speaker 3: other than Bill Winki from Michigan, move to Iowa, pioneered 100 00:04:42,120 --> 00:04:44,680 Speaker 3: Midwest white tail, and is now sharing his own progression 101 00:04:44,760 --> 00:04:46,599 Speaker 3: on a new farm on his YouTube channel with Bill 102 00:04:46,760 --> 00:04:49,240 Speaker 3: This Bill Winki. I really hope you guys enjoy this. 103 00:04:49,640 --> 00:04:51,760 Speaker 3: Bill's going to be on every single episode for the 104 00:04:51,839 --> 00:04:54,840 Speaker 3: next eight weeks, answering each and every question. And we're 105 00:04:54,920 --> 00:04:57,640 Speaker 3: leading with obviously, do great hunters really shoot a buck 106 00:04:58,000 --> 00:05:03,640 Speaker 3: every single year? Okay, simple question? Do great hunters shoot 107 00:05:03,640 --> 00:05:04,839 Speaker 3: a buck every single year? 108 00:05:10,320 --> 00:05:13,359 Speaker 8: Do a great hunters shoot a buck every single year? 109 00:05:13,800 --> 00:05:16,200 Speaker 7: I probably shouldn't say no, because I've certainly had years 110 00:05:16,200 --> 00:05:20,840 Speaker 7: where I didn't shoot a buck, So I think that's 111 00:05:20,880 --> 00:05:23,880 Speaker 7: the risk if I say, yes, they do, but I 112 00:05:23,920 --> 00:05:26,120 Speaker 7: think yes they should, you. 113 00:05:26,080 --> 00:05:29,320 Speaker 9: Know, I think that put it this way, I think 114 00:05:29,440 --> 00:05:32,960 Speaker 9: great hunters depends on the definition of how you how 115 00:05:33,000 --> 00:05:36,359 Speaker 9: you want to you know, put that is, is a 116 00:05:36,360 --> 00:05:39,520 Speaker 9: great hunter based on success or is it based on 117 00:05:41,480 --> 00:05:44,160 Speaker 9: you know, doing the best they can in the situation 118 00:05:44,200 --> 00:05:45,719 Speaker 9: where they find themselves, et cetera. 119 00:05:47,000 --> 00:05:49,680 Speaker 8: So I don't know. I guess if I had to say, 120 00:05:50,160 --> 00:05:52,240 Speaker 8: a great hunter is. 121 00:05:52,240 --> 00:05:55,000 Speaker 9: Only as good as the as the scouting and the 122 00:05:55,040 --> 00:05:58,320 Speaker 9: research and the effort that goes prior to the season 123 00:05:59,279 --> 00:06:02,040 Speaker 9: in the preper as far as you know, shooting his 124 00:06:02,160 --> 00:06:06,880 Speaker 9: bow and so forth, I would say they should be 125 00:06:07,000 --> 00:06:10,840 Speaker 9: successful every year, whether you're gonna have the idea when 126 00:06:10,880 --> 00:06:13,159 Speaker 9: you're not that the great hunters are going to find 127 00:06:13,160 --> 00:06:17,039 Speaker 9: a way before the season opens to make sure that 128 00:06:17,080 --> 00:06:20,800 Speaker 9: they're in place to fill at least one tag. I 129 00:06:20,839 --> 00:06:24,800 Speaker 9: don't know very many great hunters that have years when 130 00:06:24,800 --> 00:06:25,640 Speaker 9: they don't shoot. 131 00:06:25,360 --> 00:06:28,960 Speaker 3: Anything in the last twenty five years. How many years 132 00:06:28,960 --> 00:06:29,960 Speaker 3: have you not shot a buck? 133 00:06:30,200 --> 00:06:34,719 Speaker 9: To put in that perspective, twenty five years, probably two 134 00:06:34,760 --> 00:06:35,120 Speaker 9: or three? 135 00:06:35,640 --> 00:06:36,200 Speaker 4: Two or three? 136 00:06:36,440 --> 00:06:37,720 Speaker 10: Yeah, yeah, OK. 137 00:06:38,200 --> 00:06:42,440 Speaker 9: And it's been sometimes that mess up, you know, and 138 00:06:42,480 --> 00:06:46,880 Speaker 9: the buck'm hunting gets away. But sometimes, like recently with 139 00:06:46,960 --> 00:06:50,159 Speaker 9: this new farm, you know, I've been stubborn enough that 140 00:06:50,240 --> 00:06:52,880 Speaker 9: I say, I'm only going to hunt this farm and 141 00:06:53,080 --> 00:06:55,720 Speaker 9: if there's not a good shooter there, you know, it's 142 00:06:55,800 --> 00:06:58,520 Speaker 9: kind of hard to put it this way. 143 00:06:58,839 --> 00:07:01,600 Speaker 8: The more sure bucks are in a person's. 144 00:07:01,279 --> 00:07:04,840 Speaker 9: Hunting area or the on his properties that he has 145 00:07:04,920 --> 00:07:06,839 Speaker 9: access to hunt, et cetera, the more. 146 00:07:06,720 --> 00:07:07,880 Speaker 8: Successful he's going to be. 147 00:07:08,480 --> 00:07:13,080 Speaker 9: And you know, it's just a numbers game then and again, 148 00:07:13,200 --> 00:07:15,600 Speaker 9: like I said, a great hunter doesn't leave it up 149 00:07:15,640 --> 00:07:16,120 Speaker 9: to chance. 150 00:07:16,560 --> 00:07:18,280 Speaker 8: He's gonna make sure that he's. 151 00:07:18,120 --> 00:07:21,720 Speaker 9: Got enough options that he's got to plan ABCD. 152 00:07:22,920 --> 00:07:24,520 Speaker 8: You know they're usually gonna fill tax. 153 00:07:24,760 --> 00:07:26,120 Speaker 4: Next up we have Don Higgins. 154 00:07:26,120 --> 00:07:28,520 Speaker 3: Don is typically hunting a specific bucks, so I wanted 155 00:07:28,560 --> 00:07:30,840 Speaker 3: to get his perspective if this is accurate. Do great 156 00:07:30,880 --> 00:07:33,360 Speaker 3: hunters really shoot a buck every single year? Here's what 157 00:07:33,360 --> 00:07:38,360 Speaker 3: Don has to say, simple question. Do great hunters shoot 158 00:07:38,360 --> 00:07:40,160 Speaker 3: a deer every single year? A buck every year? 159 00:07:41,680 --> 00:07:41,760 Speaker 8: Well? 160 00:07:41,800 --> 00:07:44,040 Speaker 5: I think some of them do. I think it's all 161 00:07:44,080 --> 00:07:48,080 Speaker 5: a matter of individual goals. Personally, I'm not one of 162 00:07:48,120 --> 00:07:49,920 Speaker 5: those guys that goes out and looks to shoot a 163 00:07:49,960 --> 00:07:53,320 Speaker 5: bunch of deer every year. There's some great hunters out 164 00:07:53,360 --> 00:07:56,320 Speaker 5: there that shoot multiple bucks every year. I only want 165 00:07:56,320 --> 00:07:59,320 Speaker 5: to shoot the biggest one I can find, and I 166 00:07:59,320 --> 00:08:01,520 Speaker 5: don't want to shoot a bunch of one seventies because 167 00:08:01,680 --> 00:08:04,040 Speaker 5: I look at it as those year could be real 168 00:08:04,080 --> 00:08:07,200 Speaker 5: giants a year from now. I'm wanting to shoot the 169 00:08:07,200 --> 00:08:10,040 Speaker 5: biggest bucks I can possibly find, and to do that, 170 00:08:10,080 --> 00:08:12,280 Speaker 5: you've got to let a lot of really good bucks go. 171 00:08:12,800 --> 00:08:15,480 Speaker 5: And I just I've been the kind of guy that 172 00:08:16,360 --> 00:08:18,400 Speaker 5: or the kind of deer hunter that one buck a 173 00:08:18,480 --> 00:08:21,680 Speaker 5: year is enough for me. Some years I will shoot 174 00:08:21,680 --> 00:08:26,400 Speaker 5: two and in certain situations, but you know, typically I'm 175 00:08:26,960 --> 00:08:30,320 Speaker 5: a one target buck a year and possibly use the 176 00:08:30,360 --> 00:08:32,680 Speaker 5: second tag for a management buck. 177 00:08:32,880 --> 00:08:35,040 Speaker 10: But I just think. 178 00:08:36,640 --> 00:08:39,520 Speaker 5: You can't really define all good hunters as following one 179 00:08:39,559 --> 00:08:42,520 Speaker 5: set of rules. Some of them, like I said, they 180 00:08:42,679 --> 00:08:44,720 Speaker 5: just like to shoot a lot of deer, and they do, 181 00:08:45,520 --> 00:08:47,160 Speaker 5: and nothing wrong with that. 182 00:08:47,320 --> 00:08:50,800 Speaker 3: What's the last year that you did not fill a 183 00:08:50,800 --> 00:08:52,160 Speaker 3: buck tag that you can remember? 184 00:08:52,280 --> 00:08:52,480 Speaker 11: Huh? 185 00:08:52,520 --> 00:08:55,240 Speaker 5: I think it would have been twenty eighteen, the year 186 00:08:55,320 --> 00:08:57,760 Speaker 5: right after I shot Smoking and Trump on back to 187 00:08:57,840 --> 00:09:00,120 Speaker 5: back hunts. I've got enough bucks on the wall, I 188 00:09:00,160 --> 00:09:02,800 Speaker 5: don't need to hang another one up here, and you're 189 00:09:02,880 --> 00:09:08,400 Speaker 5: running out of room that too, So I'd say twenty 190 00:09:08,440 --> 00:09:11,000 Speaker 5: eighteen was probably the last year that I can think of. 191 00:09:11,080 --> 00:09:13,839 Speaker 3: And what about the season before the time before that, 192 00:09:15,640 --> 00:09:16,839 Speaker 3: I'm putting you on the spot. 193 00:09:16,600 --> 00:09:20,319 Speaker 5: Now, Yeah, I don't know. Back at that period of time, 194 00:09:22,240 --> 00:09:24,440 Speaker 5: I was probably going about every other year and not 195 00:09:24,480 --> 00:09:28,680 Speaker 5: shooting a deer, and definitely wasn't because I couldn't. It's 196 00:09:28,800 --> 00:09:30,960 Speaker 5: just that my goals were a little more lofty than 197 00:09:31,120 --> 00:09:35,760 Speaker 5: what was available. And as I've started covering more ground 198 00:09:35,920 --> 00:09:40,160 Speaker 5: multiple states, and as I've been able to take this 199 00:09:40,320 --> 00:09:44,000 Speaker 5: farm to the next level, I'm able to shoot a 200 00:09:44,040 --> 00:09:46,680 Speaker 5: buck every year now and in some years two bucks. 201 00:09:46,720 --> 00:09:49,319 Speaker 5: But I'd never shot more than two bucks in a 202 00:09:49,360 --> 00:09:53,240 Speaker 5: season ever. And what this season will be, I think 203 00:09:53,280 --> 00:09:58,440 Speaker 5: it's my forty forty eighth year of deer honey and 204 00:09:58,600 --> 00:10:01,000 Speaker 5: never shot more than two bucks season, and I have 205 00:10:01,080 --> 00:10:01,840 Speaker 5: no desire to. 206 00:10:02,480 --> 00:10:03,800 Speaker 4: Next up, we have Jess Sturgis. 207 00:10:03,920 --> 00:10:06,880 Speaker 3: He's from Michigan, moved to Wisconsin, lives in Minnesota now 208 00:10:07,360 --> 00:10:10,720 Speaker 3: Minnesota and Wisconsin and Pennsylvania every single year, and here's 209 00:10:10,760 --> 00:10:13,040 Speaker 3: what he has to say. If great hunters really shoot 210 00:10:13,040 --> 00:10:16,560 Speaker 3: a buck every single year? Do great hunters really shoot 211 00:10:16,760 --> 00:10:19,480 Speaker 3: a buck every single year? In your opinion? 212 00:10:20,200 --> 00:10:26,040 Speaker 12: Oh boy, I'd say that consistently. Yes they do. And 213 00:10:26,280 --> 00:10:30,680 Speaker 12: maybe it's not every year, but it's you know, eighty 214 00:10:30,720 --> 00:10:33,280 Speaker 12: percent plus. And I've talked about that in videos. Eighty 215 00:10:33,320 --> 00:10:36,640 Speaker 12: percent rule. If you do things right on your property 216 00:10:36,800 --> 00:10:40,520 Speaker 12: where you hunt public land, private land, that you should 217 00:10:40,520 --> 00:10:42,720 Speaker 12: see that eighty percent mark over a ten year period 218 00:10:43,080 --> 00:10:45,680 Speaker 12: right around they're shooting those target bucks that you want 219 00:10:45,679 --> 00:10:47,240 Speaker 12: to in whatever neighborhood you're in. 220 00:10:47,400 --> 00:10:50,040 Speaker 3: Do you think that's relative to where they're at in 221 00:10:50,080 --> 00:10:52,760 Speaker 3: the country too? Obviously? I think I think it still 222 00:10:53,000 --> 00:10:55,199 Speaker 3: sticks true to eighty percent of you know, I think 223 00:10:55,320 --> 00:10:56,400 Speaker 3: representation of the area. 224 00:10:56,559 --> 00:10:58,040 Speaker 10: I think it's most white till properties. 225 00:10:58,080 --> 00:11:00,440 Speaker 12: And the reason I say that is especially on private land, 226 00:11:01,160 --> 00:11:02,719 Speaker 12: and you can apply this to public in a lot 227 00:11:02,720 --> 00:11:07,040 Speaker 12: of ways too, is that you do something than ninety 228 00:11:07,080 --> 00:11:09,240 Speaker 12: five percent of other hunters don't. 229 00:11:09,720 --> 00:11:11,480 Speaker 10: Whether it's the discipline. 230 00:11:11,040 --> 00:11:14,439 Speaker 12: Of how you hunt, really the choices you make of 231 00:11:14,520 --> 00:11:17,120 Speaker 12: where you go when you go, being more limited in 232 00:11:17,120 --> 00:11:20,160 Speaker 12: your hunting approach, and being more of a tactician, A 233 00:11:20,200 --> 00:11:22,360 Speaker 12: lot of people just fall into the same routines and 234 00:11:22,440 --> 00:11:25,319 Speaker 12: rots every year. And that's why I firmly believe that 235 00:11:25,960 --> 00:11:29,360 Speaker 12: only five percent of the habitat holds the majority of 236 00:11:29,400 --> 00:11:30,720 Speaker 12: mature box during the daylight. 237 00:11:30,880 --> 00:11:32,520 Speaker 10: Now at night they have a three mile. 238 00:11:32,360 --> 00:11:34,720 Speaker 12: Home range, And unfortunately people focus on that so much 239 00:11:34,720 --> 00:11:37,360 Speaker 12: and it almost is disheartening. But when you look at 240 00:11:37,360 --> 00:11:41,680 Speaker 12: it where bucks actually spend their daylight time, it's less 241 00:11:41,679 --> 00:11:43,920 Speaker 12: than five percent of the habitat, and you either find 242 00:11:43,920 --> 00:11:46,200 Speaker 12: it on public land or you build it on private land, 243 00:11:46,480 --> 00:11:48,800 Speaker 12: and then that allows you to tap in if you 244 00:11:48,840 --> 00:11:52,520 Speaker 12: make smart, smart hunting choices, then that next step to 245 00:11:52,559 --> 00:11:54,680 Speaker 12: not ruin that five percent and allow you to tap 246 00:11:54,720 --> 00:11:56,240 Speaker 12: into the majority of those bucks every year. 247 00:11:56,280 --> 00:11:58,720 Speaker 10: So I believe you can do that just about anywhere. 248 00:11:58,760 --> 00:11:59,560 Speaker 10: White tail rooms. 249 00:12:00,040 --> 00:12:03,560 Speaker 3: Okay, how many how many people do you think that 250 00:12:03,559 --> 00:12:05,360 Speaker 3: that would I would put in the category of serious 251 00:12:05,400 --> 00:12:09,120 Speaker 3: hunters that are at eighty percent success right over a 252 00:12:09,120 --> 00:12:09,800 Speaker 3: ten year period. 253 00:12:09,920 --> 00:12:13,720 Speaker 12: Well, that's good question. I would say ten percent or less. 254 00:12:14,000 --> 00:12:16,160 Speaker 12: And I have a I call it five percent club. 255 00:12:16,600 --> 00:12:19,800 Speaker 12: You know, whether you're whether you're you're in that club 256 00:12:21,160 --> 00:12:24,400 Speaker 12: building it, or you have that land that's a five 257 00:12:24,440 --> 00:12:27,360 Speaker 12: percent club, or you're a hunter, it's in that five 258 00:12:27,360 --> 00:12:30,600 Speaker 12: percent club, and it's not. It sounds, you know, almost 259 00:12:30,600 --> 00:12:33,320 Speaker 12: condescending to other hunters or the majority of hunters to me. 260 00:12:33,440 --> 00:12:35,720 Speaker 12: But at the same time, you're just doing something different. 261 00:12:35,800 --> 00:12:39,719 Speaker 12: It's no different than in life. There's people with small businesses. 262 00:12:40,000 --> 00:12:43,240 Speaker 12: If you've been a successful entrepreneur, you know what it 263 00:12:43,280 --> 00:12:45,120 Speaker 12: takes to do that. It's a lot of hard work. 264 00:12:45,120 --> 00:12:49,800 Speaker 12: And I'll give a quick example public land. How many people, Jake, 265 00:12:49,880 --> 00:12:53,720 Speaker 12: do you think dedicate ten whole days to scouting public 266 00:12:53,800 --> 00:12:54,760 Speaker 12: land per year? 267 00:12:54,800 --> 00:12:57,080 Speaker 10: What do you think that percentage would be? It's probably 268 00:12:57,320 --> 00:13:00,520 Speaker 10: five percent, and so ten days. 269 00:13:00,559 --> 00:13:03,040 Speaker 12: If you think about that, how can someone who's hunting 270 00:13:03,040 --> 00:13:05,360 Speaker 12: public land devote ten days? Now, maybe they don't have 271 00:13:05,400 --> 00:13:08,040 Speaker 12: a family, but let's say they have a family, they 272 00:13:08,040 --> 00:13:10,120 Speaker 12: have kids. When are you gonna do that during the 273 00:13:10,160 --> 00:13:11,760 Speaker 12: week Are you going to take time off from work 274 00:13:11,800 --> 00:13:14,000 Speaker 12: to do this? So you usually do it on the weekend, 275 00:13:14,200 --> 00:13:16,719 Speaker 12: that's a Saturday and entire Saturday. What if I used 276 00:13:16,760 --> 00:13:20,280 Speaker 12: to hunt Ohio, I drive seven hours to Ohio this 277 00:13:20,360 --> 00:13:23,760 Speaker 12: year again we'll drive. Since ninety three, I've hunded more 278 00:13:23,840 --> 00:13:26,320 Speaker 12: years than not. I've hunted Pennsylvania and that's a twelve 279 00:13:26,360 --> 00:13:28,640 Speaker 12: to fourteen hour drive from home. So think of that 280 00:13:28,720 --> 00:13:31,240 Speaker 12: amount of time it takes to devote ten days on 281 00:13:31,280 --> 00:13:32,080 Speaker 12: our private land. 282 00:13:32,960 --> 00:13:36,520 Speaker 10: We work one hundred days. Yeah, one hundred days. 283 00:13:36,720 --> 00:13:40,320 Speaker 12: And so to be in that five percent club on 284 00:13:40,400 --> 00:13:42,120 Speaker 12: private land, I'm not saying you have to work that 285 00:13:42,160 --> 00:13:45,200 Speaker 12: many days, but you're just doing more. You're working more, 286 00:13:45,280 --> 00:13:48,319 Speaker 12: you're planning more, you're strategizing, and that's your approach or 287 00:13:48,400 --> 00:13:49,319 Speaker 12: access everything. 288 00:13:49,440 --> 00:13:51,239 Speaker 10: So it can be done by anybody. 289 00:13:51,440 --> 00:13:55,400 Speaker 12: But does everyone want to have that more entrepreneurial spirit 290 00:13:55,480 --> 00:13:59,199 Speaker 12: and bust their butt and sacrifice to do that? 291 00:13:59,600 --> 00:14:01,120 Speaker 4: Next time we have Bobby Kendall. 292 00:14:01,320 --> 00:14:04,400 Speaker 3: Bobby's from New York, move to Illinois, hunts all across 293 00:14:04,400 --> 00:14:07,959 Speaker 3: the Midwest, typically hunts a specific deer or works to 294 00:14:08,000 --> 00:14:10,840 Speaker 3: find a specific deer. And here is his answer to 295 00:14:11,000 --> 00:14:14,600 Speaker 3: a white tailed dilemma or pondering question. Do great hunters 296 00:14:14,640 --> 00:14:16,160 Speaker 3: shoot a buck every single year? 297 00:14:16,559 --> 00:14:17,280 Speaker 4: Simple question? 298 00:14:18,080 --> 00:14:21,040 Speaker 3: Do great hunters shoot a buck every single year? So 299 00:14:21,080 --> 00:14:23,560 Speaker 3: I think it's a little bit of a loaded question. 300 00:14:23,600 --> 00:14:25,640 Speaker 11: I think if you strip it down and you say, 301 00:14:26,280 --> 00:14:30,320 Speaker 11: you know, if a great hunter has the ability to 302 00:14:30,400 --> 00:14:32,840 Speaker 11: hunt a buck, him versus the deer, and there's no 303 00:14:32,920 --> 00:14:36,400 Speaker 11: other outside factors, I think ninety eight percent of the 304 00:14:36,440 --> 00:14:39,640 Speaker 11: time they're going to get it done. There's obviously other 305 00:14:39,720 --> 00:14:43,560 Speaker 11: factors though, you know, ehd comes in and kills her deer, 306 00:14:43,600 --> 00:14:45,960 Speaker 11: a neighbor kills her deer. But part of what makes 307 00:14:46,000 --> 00:14:49,160 Speaker 11: great hunters great hunters is they're great at finding deer. 308 00:14:49,280 --> 00:14:52,640 Speaker 11: So in generally, generally they're going to have multiple deer found, 309 00:14:52,720 --> 00:14:55,600 Speaker 11: so they're gonna hedge those you know, things from happening. 310 00:14:56,120 --> 00:14:59,160 Speaker 11: And you know the other phenomenon that kind of happens 311 00:14:59,200 --> 00:15:02,240 Speaker 11: is I think as hunters, as we as we go 312 00:15:03,160 --> 00:15:06,320 Speaker 11: along in our journey, our bar gets raised. So like 313 00:15:06,400 --> 00:15:10,320 Speaker 11: I know, guys their bar is so high that they 314 00:15:10,400 --> 00:15:13,160 Speaker 11: might not shoot deer because your odds are just thing 315 00:15:13,200 --> 00:15:15,480 Speaker 11: so much less to find that deer to hunt. But 316 00:15:15,560 --> 00:15:18,680 Speaker 11: I think if you strip the question down and say 317 00:15:19,240 --> 00:15:22,400 Speaker 11: the great hunters in this country they found a deer, 318 00:15:22,520 --> 00:15:26,080 Speaker 11: there's no outside factors and it's them versus the deer. 319 00:15:26,120 --> 00:15:28,400 Speaker 11: I think the odds are they're going to get a 320 00:15:28,400 --> 00:15:31,880 Speaker 11: crack at them high ninety percent of the times, if 321 00:15:31,880 --> 00:15:32,800 Speaker 11: not one hundred percent. 322 00:15:33,200 --> 00:15:35,880 Speaker 3: Do you think that the progression of a deer hunter, 323 00:15:35,960 --> 00:15:39,280 Speaker 3: their goal gets higher and higher and higher that it 324 00:15:39,360 --> 00:15:43,040 Speaker 3: almost truly becomes a game of one in one hundred, 325 00:15:43,120 --> 00:15:45,040 Speaker 3: one in one thousand, just to find a deer that 326 00:15:45,520 --> 00:15:49,040 Speaker 3: they want to pursue, and that becomes the hardest part. 327 00:15:49,240 --> 00:15:51,800 Speaker 11: I say all the time, the hardest part about killing 328 00:15:51,800 --> 00:15:53,600 Speaker 11: a big deer is finding a big deer. You got 329 00:15:53,640 --> 00:15:55,800 Speaker 11: to get really good at finding a big deer to 330 00:15:55,840 --> 00:15:58,520 Speaker 11: get really good at killing a big deer. So yeah, 331 00:15:58,560 --> 00:16:00,920 Speaker 11: I think you can kind of almost phase yourself out 332 00:16:01,000 --> 00:16:03,160 Speaker 11: or make it very hard on yourself. I for one, 333 00:16:03,280 --> 00:16:07,040 Speaker 11: still am a sucker for it, so I don't discriminate 334 00:16:07,080 --> 00:16:10,560 Speaker 11: a whole lot when they get big, I'm chasing, so 335 00:16:10,720 --> 00:16:14,160 Speaker 11: but yeah, I think I think the great hunters we 336 00:16:14,360 --> 00:16:17,760 Speaker 11: just learned so much now with trail cams and information 337 00:16:17,840 --> 00:16:21,600 Speaker 11: and stuff. It's just it's really hard they have so 338 00:16:21,800 --> 00:16:24,320 Speaker 11: they're always ahead of the deer, you know, and they 339 00:16:24,360 --> 00:16:26,920 Speaker 11: have so much opportunity to catch up with them through 340 00:16:26,960 --> 00:16:30,360 Speaker 11: the season because of their knowledge and their strategies and stuff, 341 00:16:30,400 --> 00:16:33,240 Speaker 11: and it's I think it's it's really hard for the 342 00:16:33,280 --> 00:16:36,240 Speaker 11: deer to get away from the true killers in the 343 00:16:36,320 --> 00:16:37,800 Speaker 11: in the countryside. 344 00:16:38,040 --> 00:16:40,920 Speaker 3: One tip to find more big deer you mentioned, that's 345 00:16:41,040 --> 00:16:43,560 Speaker 3: that's the almost the name of the game. People have 346 00:16:43,600 --> 00:16:47,720 Speaker 3: a good foundation of maybe for you, for example, setting 347 00:16:47,800 --> 00:16:50,960 Speaker 3: up a farm and making it really efficiently. Is there 348 00:16:51,280 --> 00:16:53,560 Speaker 3: a silver bullet a finding big deer or is it 349 00:16:53,600 --> 00:16:58,280 Speaker 3: a game of a million? It's just math, it's just probability. 350 00:16:58,320 --> 00:17:00,359 Speaker 11: I mean, where we're sitting now, it's one of the 351 00:17:00,360 --> 00:17:03,040 Speaker 11: most awesome setups I've ever seen, right here next to me. 352 00:17:03,120 --> 00:17:04,879 Speaker 11: But it doesn't matter if there's not a big deer here. 353 00:17:05,160 --> 00:17:08,800 Speaker 11: And even though it's a really good area there's they're 354 00:17:08,960 --> 00:17:11,520 Speaker 11: very well could not be a really big deer here. 355 00:17:11,560 --> 00:17:13,840 Speaker 3: So you have to you have to. 356 00:17:14,080 --> 00:17:18,359 Speaker 11: The tip is always searching, always trying to find one. 357 00:17:18,560 --> 00:17:22,280 Speaker 11: Running cameras. That's that's a trick to it. Running cameras. 358 00:17:22,320 --> 00:17:24,320 Speaker 11: That's the most efficient way you can glass and stuff, 359 00:17:24,359 --> 00:17:26,760 Speaker 11: But running cameras in every nook and cranny you can, 360 00:17:26,840 --> 00:17:30,160 Speaker 11: and always trying to gain new spots, whether it be buying, leasing, 361 00:17:30,640 --> 00:17:34,160 Speaker 11: scouting public or permission pieces. So I think a lot 362 00:17:34,200 --> 00:17:37,000 Speaker 11: of the great hunters I've met, they've got this personality 363 00:17:37,000 --> 00:17:39,520 Speaker 11: trait where they like obsess almost and they almost like 364 00:17:39,640 --> 00:17:43,440 Speaker 11: won't accept failure, like letting the deer be with them win. 365 00:17:43,800 --> 00:17:47,480 Speaker 11: And so I think that personality trait like not giving 366 00:17:47,560 --> 00:17:49,320 Speaker 11: up on them and then there's one other way. I 367 00:17:49,359 --> 00:17:53,600 Speaker 11: think these people that know what they're doing might not 368 00:17:53,680 --> 00:17:56,400 Speaker 11: kill one, and that's you know, very close to where 369 00:17:56,400 --> 00:17:59,120 Speaker 11: we're at, and you remember the story. Uh, you know, 370 00:17:59,240 --> 00:18:01,760 Speaker 11: you get a really special deer and you're willing to, 371 00:18:02,320 --> 00:18:04,800 Speaker 11: you know, play the long shot game, and you know 372 00:18:04,880 --> 00:18:07,600 Speaker 11: you're not really in the game, but he's around, and 373 00:18:08,119 --> 00:18:12,200 Speaker 11: so you spend years chasing one deer that is hard 374 00:18:12,240 --> 00:18:14,120 Speaker 11: to hunt in the sense that he's not really on 375 00:18:14,160 --> 00:18:16,040 Speaker 11: your farm, and so there's not a whole lot you 376 00:18:16,560 --> 00:18:19,600 Speaker 11: can try to do stuff, but you know certain deer 377 00:18:20,240 --> 00:18:22,040 Speaker 11: you know, in this case, it's deer with swimming across 378 00:18:22,040 --> 00:18:24,359 Speaker 11: the Illinois River and spending his fall range on the 379 00:18:24,359 --> 00:18:28,280 Speaker 11: other side of the river. So so yeah, sometimes it's 380 00:18:28,320 --> 00:18:30,120 Speaker 11: just a matter off. You make a decision to chase 381 00:18:30,119 --> 00:18:32,239 Speaker 11: a certain deer even though the odds are low and 382 00:18:32,640 --> 00:18:34,760 Speaker 11: he might not even ever be on your farm. So 383 00:18:34,760 --> 00:18:36,520 Speaker 11: that would be another reason I think great hunter. So 384 00:18:36,640 --> 00:18:39,040 Speaker 11: I guess the answer the question is not necessarily a 385 00:18:39,040 --> 00:18:40,640 Speaker 11: great hunter is not going to kill a big buck 386 00:18:40,800 --> 00:18:44,639 Speaker 11: every year, because there's different factors and different reasons why not. 387 00:18:44,720 --> 00:18:46,640 Speaker 11: But if they have the ability to play the game 388 00:18:46,640 --> 00:18:49,080 Speaker 11: with that deer, in his core or right there around 389 00:18:49,080 --> 00:18:52,760 Speaker 11: his core, and there's no outside conditions. They're almost always 390 00:18:52,800 --> 00:18:56,760 Speaker 11: going to have multiple opportunities. With or without a farm developed, 391 00:18:56,840 --> 00:18:59,960 Speaker 11: they're going to have multiple opportunities thinking like a deer 392 00:19:00,080 --> 00:19:06,040 Speaker 11: and get getting a shot at them. 393 00:19:06,240 --> 00:19:09,199 Speaker 3: Next up we have Skip also from Michigan, moved to 394 00:19:09,240 --> 00:19:13,360 Speaker 3: Iowa twenty some years ago and is a white tail fanatic. 395 00:19:13,720 --> 00:19:17,399 Speaker 3: Is all about improving habitat and giving deer everything they need. 396 00:19:17,440 --> 00:19:20,800 Speaker 3: But the question is do great hunter shoot a buck 397 00:19:21,200 --> 00:19:24,280 Speaker 3: every single last year? Okay, here we go, do great 398 00:19:24,320 --> 00:19:26,480 Speaker 3: hunters really shoot a buck every year? 399 00:19:26,640 --> 00:19:31,680 Speaker 2: I would say no. I would say a great hunter, 400 00:19:31,760 --> 00:19:35,280 Speaker 2: in my mind, would be somebody who doesn't have that 401 00:19:35,359 --> 00:19:38,719 Speaker 2: pressure anymore to shoot a buck. And there's just certain 402 00:19:38,760 --> 00:19:43,199 Speaker 2: circumstances in certain certain years where unless you're going to 403 00:19:43,359 --> 00:19:48,720 Speaker 2: like the extreme, extreme lengths to go travel to new 404 00:19:48,760 --> 00:19:50,720 Speaker 2: areas that you just don't have a buck you want 405 00:19:50,720 --> 00:19:53,600 Speaker 2: to hunt, those years just happen. I don't care if 406 00:19:53,640 --> 00:19:55,280 Speaker 2: it's on big farms, I don't care if it's on 407 00:19:55,359 --> 00:19:58,800 Speaker 2: small farms. Maybe it's an EHD breakout that hits a 408 00:19:58,800 --> 00:20:01,520 Speaker 2: whole region. Maybe you're like, hey, I had ten farms 409 00:20:01,520 --> 00:20:04,120 Speaker 2: to hunt and Ehu went through there and there literally 410 00:20:04,160 --> 00:20:08,639 Speaker 2: is nothing I want to hunt. So to me, a 411 00:20:08,680 --> 00:20:12,040 Speaker 2: great hunter can go Dude, I don't have a pressure 412 00:20:12,040 --> 00:20:14,080 Speaker 2: pressure to shoot a buck. I don't need a buck 413 00:20:14,119 --> 00:20:17,560 Speaker 2: to post. There's nothing that you know, I is of 414 00:20:17,640 --> 00:20:19,560 Speaker 2: the age class that I want to shoot. So I'm 415 00:20:19,600 --> 00:20:21,360 Speaker 2: just not going to shoot anything this year. And I've 416 00:20:21,400 --> 00:20:23,639 Speaker 2: had those years where it's like there's really nothing I 417 00:20:23,640 --> 00:20:26,760 Speaker 2: want to shoot, and I probably would still end up 418 00:20:26,760 --> 00:20:29,679 Speaker 2: shooting something, but i'd go after like, you know, I 419 00:20:29,720 --> 00:20:32,560 Speaker 2: would put a bigger target on like a six year 420 00:20:32,560 --> 00:20:35,840 Speaker 2: old cold buck that you know, if I wanted to 421 00:20:35,880 --> 00:20:38,440 Speaker 2: shoot one really good high score in dear year that 422 00:20:38,440 --> 00:20:44,359 Speaker 2: that wouldn't fit into that category. But you know, in 423 00:20:44,440 --> 00:20:47,680 Speaker 2: my younger years, when I had like the crazy ambition, 424 00:20:49,440 --> 00:20:52,120 Speaker 2: but my standards were maybe slightly less, I would say 425 00:20:52,160 --> 00:20:54,640 Speaker 2: I was. I was a good hunter in my younger years. 426 00:20:54,640 --> 00:20:54,959 Speaker 3: I was. 427 00:20:55,119 --> 00:20:57,600 Speaker 2: But we had so many different trips planned because I 428 00:20:57,640 --> 00:21:00,560 Speaker 2: was so ambitious and so over the time with where 429 00:21:00,560 --> 00:21:00,800 Speaker 2: I'd go. 430 00:21:00,960 --> 00:21:02,639 Speaker 3: So we'd be like, Okay, we'll go. 431 00:21:02,680 --> 00:21:06,000 Speaker 2: To Michigan, we'll go to Illinois, we'll go to Kansas, 432 00:21:06,280 --> 00:21:09,880 Speaker 2: We'll go to Iowa. Fill in the blank. I mean like, well, yeah, 433 00:21:09,960 --> 00:21:12,080 Speaker 2: I'm going to get a buck with all those places. 434 00:21:12,080 --> 00:21:14,280 Speaker 2: But you know, so now, I'd say a lot of 435 00:21:14,960 --> 00:21:17,000 Speaker 2: more mature hunters that are a little bit older, they 436 00:21:17,000 --> 00:21:19,640 Speaker 2: don't haunt like that. They don't hunt in all these states. 437 00:21:19,840 --> 00:21:22,160 Speaker 2: They're not doing it to film a TV show. Where 438 00:21:22,520 --> 00:21:25,280 Speaker 2: if you're filming a TV show, you know, and you 439 00:21:25,400 --> 00:21:29,880 Speaker 2: just need to get footage of kills, you're probably shooting 440 00:21:30,200 --> 00:21:33,080 Speaker 2: several bucks every year. Now, if I ask those people truly, 441 00:21:33,560 --> 00:21:35,680 Speaker 2: did you really want to shoot those bucks? Where those 442 00:21:35,720 --> 00:21:37,919 Speaker 2: really what you aspired to do? They say, no, I 443 00:21:38,000 --> 00:21:39,800 Speaker 2: just wanted to get footage. Well, I don't want to 444 00:21:39,800 --> 00:21:41,920 Speaker 2: do that. I'm not here to get footage. I'm here 445 00:21:42,160 --> 00:21:45,960 Speaker 2: for my own experience. So it depends what your goals are. 446 00:21:46,080 --> 00:21:47,919 Speaker 2: Like I said, if you're filming, it'd be different. But 447 00:21:48,320 --> 00:21:50,879 Speaker 2: I don't count that because they're literally it's part of 448 00:21:50,880 --> 00:21:55,359 Speaker 2: their business. But I think like for my I just 449 00:21:55,440 --> 00:21:59,240 Speaker 2: answer it for myself. And I'm not considering myself a 450 00:21:59,280 --> 00:22:01,359 Speaker 2: great hunter. I'm not saying that at all. But I 451 00:22:01,400 --> 00:22:03,639 Speaker 2: can get on mature bucks every single year. Some of 452 00:22:03,640 --> 00:22:07,159 Speaker 2: them just might be lower scoring, and you know, I 453 00:22:07,240 --> 00:22:10,359 Speaker 2: might have some mature bucks around every year too, that 454 00:22:11,520 --> 00:22:13,560 Speaker 2: I could shoot and I'd be like, hey, I got 455 00:22:13,600 --> 00:22:17,040 Speaker 2: a seven year old buck, but it's not gonna like 456 00:22:17,840 --> 00:22:20,160 Speaker 2: make me like super amped to do it. So I'll 457 00:22:20,200 --> 00:22:22,919 Speaker 2: make sure like somebody else has a chance at him, 458 00:22:23,119 --> 00:22:24,720 Speaker 2: and I'll try and get like a friend on it, 459 00:22:24,840 --> 00:22:27,760 Speaker 2: or a kid or my son or my nephew or whatever, 460 00:22:27,840 --> 00:22:31,040 Speaker 2: somebody who's like, wow, this was amazing this you know 461 00:22:31,200 --> 00:22:34,080 Speaker 2: this buck. They go nuts because I'd rather see them 462 00:22:34,119 --> 00:22:36,960 Speaker 2: shoot it now than me and be like, yeah, you know, 463 00:22:37,000 --> 00:22:40,399 Speaker 2: it's a nice buck. It's older, and I'd be appreciative, 464 00:22:40,400 --> 00:22:43,119 Speaker 2: but I know they'd be far more appreciative. And that 465 00:22:43,280 --> 00:22:47,960 Speaker 2: just comes with like getting older, maturing, getting super old 466 00:22:48,000 --> 00:22:51,400 Speaker 2: like me and complacent. You're just like, yeah, I don't 467 00:22:51,400 --> 00:22:54,679 Speaker 2: need to shoot another deer, and watching other people shoot 468 00:22:54,680 --> 00:22:58,600 Speaker 2: it is rewarding to me. So there's my long winded 469 00:22:58,960 --> 00:23:01,520 Speaker 2: brand answered that doesn't really answer the question. So I'd say, no, 470 00:23:01,560 --> 00:23:03,480 Speaker 2: they don't shoot him every year out of the last 471 00:23:03,480 --> 00:23:06,439 Speaker 2: ten years. How many how many years did you not 472 00:23:06,600 --> 00:23:08,200 Speaker 2: shoot a buck out of the last ten. 473 00:23:08,080 --> 00:23:10,240 Speaker 3: If you have to think, I don't think. 474 00:23:10,280 --> 00:23:14,600 Speaker 2: I No, I didn't ever have any issue. There was 475 00:23:14,640 --> 00:23:17,119 Speaker 2: a few where I'm like, you know, there was a 476 00:23:17,200 --> 00:23:19,520 Speaker 2: giant that went through my ground that I just picked 477 00:23:19,600 --> 00:23:23,960 Speaker 2: up on or a farm that I had, and I'd 478 00:23:23,960 --> 00:23:26,439 Speaker 2: try and hunt for him and then he'd vanish or whatever. 479 00:23:26,720 --> 00:23:30,520 Speaker 2: Just like, yeah, my opportunity's gone, So let's refocus on 480 00:23:30,560 --> 00:23:32,680 Speaker 2: a deer that I could have been hunting the whole time. 481 00:23:32,720 --> 00:23:35,240 Speaker 2: And it's kind of like, yeah, that still would be 482 00:23:35,280 --> 00:23:39,040 Speaker 2: fun and it'd be a challenge. You know, maybe there 483 00:23:39,080 --> 00:23:42,520 Speaker 2: was a just a giant, you know, one nineties or 484 00:23:42,520 --> 00:23:44,919 Speaker 2: something that was old that I lost a chance at, 485 00:23:44,960 --> 00:23:46,960 Speaker 2: and I'm like, Okay, there is still this one seventies. 486 00:23:47,000 --> 00:23:49,840 Speaker 2: It's very hard to hunt, and he's kind of unique. 487 00:23:50,960 --> 00:23:53,960 Speaker 2: Like I actually coincidentally looking at some sheds that could 488 00:23:53,960 --> 00:23:58,199 Speaker 2: maybe fit into that example, like like like this is 489 00:23:58,200 --> 00:24:01,600 Speaker 2: a deer that we actually like go last year that 490 00:24:01,720 --> 00:24:07,840 Speaker 2: will be unique this year and he'll be old, and 491 00:24:07,880 --> 00:24:10,320 Speaker 2: if there was nothing else to hunt, like I could 492 00:24:10,400 --> 00:24:12,560 Speaker 2: be like if he puts on a little more mass, 493 00:24:12,760 --> 00:24:17,239 Speaker 2: a little more size, I'd be a little well, he 494 00:24:17,280 --> 00:24:19,800 Speaker 2: can still add some more so that we let him 495 00:24:19,840 --> 00:24:22,440 Speaker 2: go and I would hunt that if if like, hey, 496 00:24:22,440 --> 00:24:24,800 Speaker 2: there's nothing gigantic to hunt, which or might not be, 497 00:24:27,400 --> 00:24:29,359 Speaker 2: and then I've had years where there's a giant to 498 00:24:29,440 --> 00:24:32,800 Speaker 2: hunt where I'm like, yeah, I've shot some bucks like 499 00:24:32,840 --> 00:24:35,920 Speaker 2: that before, so I'll let him go. I don't want 500 00:24:35,920 --> 00:24:37,240 Speaker 2: to shoot him this year. We'll see if he can 501 00:24:37,240 --> 00:24:38,800 Speaker 2: make it. We'll just see what he does next year 502 00:24:38,800 --> 00:24:41,560 Speaker 2: as kind of an experiment and just as a fun challenge. 503 00:24:41,600 --> 00:24:45,080 Speaker 2: So no, I think I've shot a buck every probably 504 00:24:45,119 --> 00:24:47,520 Speaker 2: every year for the last ten years. But I also 505 00:24:47,640 --> 00:24:50,719 Speaker 2: have like farms all over the place too, where I 506 00:24:50,760 --> 00:24:53,800 Speaker 2: can just be, well, there is a good one over here, 507 00:24:53,960 --> 00:24:57,359 Speaker 2: and just when you farm and you have different pieces 508 00:24:57,480 --> 00:24:59,960 Speaker 2: all over the place, it's just so much more opportunity. 509 00:25:00,040 --> 00:25:02,840 Speaker 2: It just is my younger years, it was harder. It 510 00:25:02,880 --> 00:25:07,520 Speaker 2: was all it was all permission, and you know, you 511 00:25:07,520 --> 00:25:11,080 Speaker 2: couldn't even run back then. I didn't even run trail cameras. Really, 512 00:25:11,160 --> 00:25:12,840 Speaker 2: it was just go hunt there and hope you get 513 00:25:12,920 --> 00:25:15,479 Speaker 2: lucky and just throw things at the wall, like hey, 514 00:25:15,520 --> 00:25:17,760 Speaker 2: I'll put up fifty tree stands and just try all 515 00:25:17,800 --> 00:25:20,480 Speaker 2: these different farms and hopefully I get lucky. And a 516 00:25:20,480 --> 00:25:25,440 Speaker 2: lot of times they did. Sometimes I didn't. Yeah, but yeah, 517 00:25:25,440 --> 00:25:26,400 Speaker 2: I'm pretty consistent. 518 00:25:26,480 --> 00:25:30,080 Speaker 3: Now. Next up we have Steve Hanson grew up in Illinois, 519 00:25:30,320 --> 00:25:32,840 Speaker 3: was hunting Puple Ground in the eighties, moved to Iowa 520 00:25:32,880 --> 00:25:35,840 Speaker 3: in the nineties, and I really think you guys will 521 00:25:35,880 --> 00:25:39,359 Speaker 3: appreciate his answers. Steve has a bunch of experience of 522 00:25:39,480 --> 00:25:42,400 Speaker 3: working on so many different farms over the years and 523 00:25:42,800 --> 00:25:44,880 Speaker 3: really tries to do the best for the resource. 524 00:25:44,920 --> 00:25:45,840 Speaker 4: Here's what he has to say. 525 00:25:46,119 --> 00:25:48,879 Speaker 3: There's this pressure that everyone feels like they need to 526 00:25:48,880 --> 00:25:51,920 Speaker 3: shoot a buck every year. Right, do you think great 527 00:25:52,000 --> 00:25:54,720 Speaker 3: hunters really shoot a buck every year or should shoot 528 00:25:54,720 --> 00:25:56,960 Speaker 3: a buck every single year? Yes, but. 529 00:25:58,600 --> 00:26:02,280 Speaker 1: They should concentrate him on harvesting mature bucks. Every buck 530 00:26:02,320 --> 00:26:04,840 Speaker 1: doesn't need to be a high scoring trophy buck. You're 531 00:26:04,880 --> 00:26:08,879 Speaker 1: actually doing the herd disservice if you focus solely on 532 00:26:08,960 --> 00:26:12,399 Speaker 1: score and not directly on age. So you know, like 533 00:26:12,440 --> 00:26:15,439 Speaker 1: a state like Iowa where we're allowed three bucks, it 534 00:26:15,520 --> 00:26:18,760 Speaker 1: would be you know, most people, the average person or 535 00:26:18,800 --> 00:26:21,080 Speaker 1: even someone who has access to a lot of land. 536 00:26:21,760 --> 00:26:25,480 Speaker 1: You'd be doing the farm and injustice if you harvested 537 00:26:25,520 --> 00:26:30,320 Speaker 1: the three best genetic bucks and left all the call 538 00:26:30,359 --> 00:26:34,000 Speaker 1: bucks junkers. You know, old mature bucks that need to go. So, 539 00:26:35,160 --> 00:26:37,720 Speaker 1: you know, if someone who considers himselfs an expert hunter 540 00:26:37,840 --> 00:26:40,119 Speaker 1: or however, you want to, you know, discuss that they 541 00:26:40,160 --> 00:26:42,960 Speaker 1: should absolutely be harvesting bucks every year, whether they're high 542 00:26:43,000 --> 00:26:44,760 Speaker 1: scoring or just old mature bucks. 543 00:26:44,840 --> 00:26:49,720 Speaker 3: Yeah, so there's there's true conservation and management. Yes potential 544 00:26:49,760 --> 00:26:52,760 Speaker 3: by hey, I don't have a high scoring quote unquote 545 00:26:52,800 --> 00:26:55,280 Speaker 3: giant who hunt. I need to focus on this old. 546 00:26:55,040 --> 00:26:57,280 Speaker 4: Scrappy exactly eight point that's. 547 00:26:57,520 --> 00:26:59,040 Speaker 3: Seven years old or six years old or five year 548 00:26:59,040 --> 00:26:59,720 Speaker 3: old top Now where. 549 00:26:59,560 --> 00:27:02,360 Speaker 1: You're ac and and even you know, you get into 550 00:27:02,400 --> 00:27:05,160 Speaker 1: a state like Kansas, they've got a little bit more 551 00:27:05,200 --> 00:27:07,959 Speaker 1: of a problem because they're only allowed one bucks. So 552 00:27:08,160 --> 00:27:11,560 Speaker 1: that's gonna you know, those people would have a bigger challenge. 553 00:27:11,640 --> 00:27:13,400 Speaker 1: They would have to probably devote more of their time 554 00:27:13,440 --> 00:27:16,080 Speaker 1: to hunting for a high scoring mature buck. But before 555 00:27:16,119 --> 00:27:19,040 Speaker 1: the season ended, I would recommend you still harvest something 556 00:27:19,119 --> 00:27:22,280 Speaker 1: because there's a segment of the buck population that needs 557 00:27:22,280 --> 00:27:24,800 Speaker 1: to be harvested that I've noticed has been overlooked on 558 00:27:24,840 --> 00:27:25,679 Speaker 1: a lot of properties. 559 00:27:25,960 --> 00:27:29,560 Speaker 3: Do you think there's always some sort of self pressure 560 00:27:29,600 --> 00:27:32,680 Speaker 3: people typically, Yeah, you know, throughout their own season. Doesn't 561 00:27:32,680 --> 00:27:38,720 Speaker 3: matter if you produce content or right, you just regular guy. 562 00:27:37,880 --> 00:27:40,240 Speaker 1: I think everybody because because you know it, and it 563 00:27:40,320 --> 00:27:44,120 Speaker 1: builds because all year long, you're doing projects on the farm, 564 00:27:44,160 --> 00:27:47,240 Speaker 1: you're doing things to aid in that the ultimate goal 565 00:27:47,280 --> 00:27:50,159 Speaker 1: of harvesting that buck. So if that's not occurring, you know, 566 00:27:50,280 --> 00:27:53,200 Speaker 1: your co workers, your family or wife, she's like, well. 567 00:27:53,600 --> 00:27:54,240 Speaker 4: Doing vacation. 568 00:27:54,800 --> 00:27:57,040 Speaker 1: Yeah, you've been out there for months doing stuff and 569 00:27:57,080 --> 00:27:59,159 Speaker 1: you haven't got one. You know, it's kind of so 570 00:27:59,440 --> 00:28:01,720 Speaker 1: you got to kind to look past that and make 571 00:28:01,760 --> 00:28:04,280 Speaker 1: sure you're hunting for the right reasons and you know, 572 00:28:04,480 --> 00:28:08,080 Speaker 1: focusing on maturity as your number one goal and then 573 00:28:08,440 --> 00:28:10,240 Speaker 1: you know score as a second one. 574 00:28:10,320 --> 00:28:13,720 Speaker 3: Do you think that pressure is the self Pressure is 575 00:28:13,760 --> 00:28:15,440 Speaker 3: a good thing or a bad thing. 576 00:28:15,760 --> 00:28:18,720 Speaker 1: It depends on the individual. You know, some pressure is 577 00:28:18,760 --> 00:28:21,840 Speaker 1: obviously good because it forces you to work harder and 578 00:28:21,920 --> 00:28:24,800 Speaker 1: you know, get up earlier, hunt later, you know, all 579 00:28:24,840 --> 00:28:27,439 Speaker 1: the things that should make you more successful. If it 580 00:28:27,520 --> 00:28:31,000 Speaker 1: manifests itself to the point where you're obsessing over it, 581 00:28:31,160 --> 00:28:34,840 Speaker 1: or you're actually harvesting, change your goal and you harvest 582 00:28:34,840 --> 00:28:37,399 Speaker 1: a lesser quality buck because you're under so much pressure. 583 00:28:37,400 --> 00:28:38,560 Speaker 10: In that case, it's a negative. 584 00:28:38,800 --> 00:28:41,200 Speaker 3: So next up we have Thomas Mills now lives in 585 00:28:41,200 --> 00:28:45,040 Speaker 3: Wisconsin in the Driftless region, hunts a shared permission property 586 00:28:45,080 --> 00:28:47,920 Speaker 3: primarily and has set the county record multiple times for 587 00:28:48,040 --> 00:28:50,480 Speaker 3: archery big bucks. And here's what he has to say, 588 00:28:50,600 --> 00:28:53,720 Speaker 3: if great hunters really shoot a buck every single year? 589 00:28:54,120 --> 00:28:58,280 Speaker 3: All it's a simple question. Do great hunters really shoot 590 00:28:58,320 --> 00:28:59,600 Speaker 3: a buck every year? 591 00:29:00,360 --> 00:29:01,520 Speaker 10: Oh? 592 00:29:01,680 --> 00:29:03,080 Speaker 13: No, they definitely do not. 593 00:29:04,880 --> 00:29:05,320 Speaker 10: That's it. 594 00:29:05,400 --> 00:29:07,680 Speaker 13: You know, to be a great hunter, you have to 595 00:29:07,720 --> 00:29:11,240 Speaker 13: set a certain level of standards. And if your standards 596 00:29:11,240 --> 00:29:14,280 Speaker 13: are set high enough, then you're not going to achieve 597 00:29:14,320 --> 00:29:17,360 Speaker 13: those standards every time you step foot in the woods, right, 598 00:29:17,680 --> 00:29:20,200 Speaker 13: You're certainly not going to achieve them every year. And 599 00:29:21,080 --> 00:29:24,000 Speaker 13: you know this is a kind of reversus this concept, right, 600 00:29:24,040 --> 00:29:27,120 Speaker 13: the enemy of great or the enemy of good is great, 601 00:29:27,640 --> 00:29:29,280 Speaker 13: you know, when you're trying to like be too much 602 00:29:29,320 --> 00:29:31,479 Speaker 13: of a perfectionist. On the other side of that, if 603 00:29:31,560 --> 00:29:33,640 Speaker 13: you truly want great things, then you have to give 604 00:29:33,720 --> 00:29:36,320 Speaker 13: up good things. Which I say at clients all the time. 605 00:29:36,320 --> 00:29:39,040 Speaker 13: You can't kill great deer if you're killing good deer. 606 00:29:39,720 --> 00:29:43,600 Speaker 13: You have to be willing to eat your tag from 607 00:29:43,640 --> 00:29:48,320 Speaker 13: time to time to increase the quality of animals on 608 00:29:48,360 --> 00:29:52,600 Speaker 13: your property. Right, it specifically bucks, So you're not going 609 00:29:52,680 --> 00:29:56,320 Speaker 13: to kill a big deer every year. And also, you 610 00:29:56,320 --> 00:29:58,200 Speaker 13: know there's always going to be situations. Some of the 611 00:29:58,240 --> 00:30:01,040 Speaker 13: most challenging deer to hunt. The reason why they get big, 612 00:30:01,400 --> 00:30:04,720 Speaker 13: you know, depending on the area you're in, especially, it's 613 00:30:04,760 --> 00:30:07,240 Speaker 13: because they're not that easy to kill, right, So you 614 00:30:07,240 --> 00:30:10,000 Speaker 13: can't always expect to figure out a dear in one year. 615 00:30:10,680 --> 00:30:13,120 Speaker 13: And sometimes there's things that we can do as land 616 00:30:13,160 --> 00:30:16,680 Speaker 13: managers to improve our odds year and year out where 617 00:30:16,960 --> 00:30:19,040 Speaker 13: you know, maybe that four year old bucks on our 618 00:30:19,040 --> 00:30:22,720 Speaker 13: property X amount of time this year, look at their habits, 619 00:30:22,760 --> 00:30:24,640 Speaker 13: look at where they're spending time. How can I improve 620 00:30:24,680 --> 00:30:26,960 Speaker 13: that situation? So maybe next year he spends more time 621 00:30:27,040 --> 00:30:29,800 Speaker 13: or he's more consistent. Every year is a building year, 622 00:30:30,400 --> 00:30:33,760 Speaker 13: and you're not going to kill a big buck every year. 623 00:30:34,080 --> 00:30:36,280 Speaker 13: And if you want to kill big bucks the best 624 00:30:36,280 --> 00:30:38,640 Speaker 13: bucks you can, then then you can't kill the lesser 625 00:30:38,680 --> 00:30:40,400 Speaker 13: bucks in a year just because you don't have a 626 00:30:40,400 --> 00:30:42,720 Speaker 13: bigger buck or you couldn't kill that buck, and you know, 627 00:30:42,720 --> 00:30:46,440 Speaker 13: you settle for something else. So absolutely, without a shadow 628 00:30:46,480 --> 00:30:48,400 Speaker 13: of a doubt, I would say the best hunters out 629 00:30:48,440 --> 00:30:53,920 Speaker 13: there understand that patience is beyond just sitting in a 630 00:30:53,960 --> 00:30:58,000 Speaker 13: stand one day or even you know, grinding out one season. 631 00:30:58,120 --> 00:30:59,600 Speaker 10: It is a long term. 632 00:30:59,400 --> 00:31:03,120 Speaker 13: Game and the more you learn that, or the more 633 00:31:03,720 --> 00:31:06,320 Speaker 13: you observe in general, the more you will learn that 634 00:31:06,440 --> 00:31:09,080 Speaker 13: from every situation and how it pays back dividends. 635 00:31:09,440 --> 00:31:11,480 Speaker 3: So over the last ten years, how many times have 636 00:31:11,560 --> 00:31:12,840 Speaker 3: you ate a Wisconsin tag? 637 00:31:13,160 --> 00:31:20,480 Speaker 13: Oh, in the last ten years three and those three years, 638 00:31:21,560 --> 00:31:24,080 Speaker 13: I had encounters with my target book all three of 639 00:31:24,080 --> 00:31:27,520 Speaker 13: those years. I've also gotten a lot pickier with the 640 00:31:27,560 --> 00:31:29,720 Speaker 13: shots that I'll take. You know, I had a buck, 641 00:31:29,800 --> 00:31:32,080 Speaker 13: one of my bucks at thirty five yards for fifteen 642 00:31:32,080 --> 00:31:34,760 Speaker 13: minutes one day, and there's just it just wasn't confident 643 00:31:34,760 --> 00:31:37,280 Speaker 13: in taking the shot. You know, stuff like that happens. 644 00:31:37,800 --> 00:31:40,400 Speaker 13: That to me was a success. I crossed paths right 645 00:31:40,440 --> 00:31:42,760 Speaker 13: where I wanted. You know, all the things that I 646 00:31:42,800 --> 00:31:46,160 Speaker 13: anticipated putting my theories together panned out. It was just 647 00:31:46,240 --> 00:31:48,400 Speaker 13: that one little thing, and I chose not to force 648 00:31:48,440 --> 00:31:50,520 Speaker 13: the execution because I don't want to injure the animal. 649 00:31:51,400 --> 00:31:54,400 Speaker 13: And then a couple of the other ones were dear 650 00:31:54,520 --> 00:31:59,720 Speaker 13: that their home shifted, their home range shifted a little bit, 651 00:31:59,760 --> 00:32:01,400 Speaker 13: so when they were younger, they were actually on our 652 00:32:01,400 --> 00:32:03,880 Speaker 13: property more, which kind of threw me for a loop 653 00:32:04,240 --> 00:32:07,960 Speaker 13: as far as like you're anticipating historical data to repeat itself. 654 00:32:08,040 --> 00:32:10,920 Speaker 13: But it's actually changing in a way that's not positive. 655 00:32:11,240 --> 00:32:11,400 Speaker 10: Now. 656 00:32:11,520 --> 00:32:14,000 Speaker 13: Normally, if I would recognize that, I would shift away 657 00:32:14,000 --> 00:32:15,800 Speaker 13: from them, but I didn't have a better option than 658 00:32:15,840 --> 00:32:19,520 Speaker 13: those years. They're kind of a slump lot of surrounding neighbors, 659 00:32:19,560 --> 00:32:22,040 Speaker 13: harvested four year olds, five year olds, and you know, 660 00:32:22,120 --> 00:32:24,200 Speaker 13: trying to target a little bit older age class. 661 00:32:24,840 --> 00:32:27,120 Speaker 10: So there just wasn't a lot of opportunity in those years. 662 00:32:27,160 --> 00:32:29,160 Speaker 13: But three out of the last ten years, I've eat 663 00:32:29,240 --> 00:32:32,360 Speaker 13: my tag and then usually when I do that, the 664 00:32:32,400 --> 00:32:36,000 Speaker 13: next year pays back dividends, right, So that's just kind 665 00:32:36,000 --> 00:32:37,000 Speaker 13: of the way it goes. 666 00:32:37,760 --> 00:32:38,640 Speaker 4: That makes perfect sense. 667 00:32:38,680 --> 00:32:41,840 Speaker 3: And I've asked the question everyone and I should have 668 00:32:41,880 --> 00:32:43,920 Speaker 3: asked the same follow up question every time of you know, 669 00:32:43,960 --> 00:32:46,000 Speaker 3: over the last ten years, how many times you know, 670 00:32:46,080 --> 00:32:48,800 Speaker 3: eight a tag? But I would say that seventy and 671 00:32:48,880 --> 00:32:52,560 Speaker 3: eighty percent of you know, filling attack on a successful 672 00:32:52,560 --> 00:32:55,080 Speaker 3: buck has been the trend for the most part. So 673 00:32:55,680 --> 00:32:59,280 Speaker 3: if someone's out there, they don't feel if that leer 674 00:32:59,360 --> 00:33:01,800 Speaker 3: was last year where you didn't fill your tag, maybe 675 00:33:01,840 --> 00:33:03,640 Speaker 3: this is the year. This is the year when you 676 00:33:03,680 --> 00:33:06,800 Speaker 3: get a two ex return by maybe passing a year. 677 00:33:06,880 --> 00:33:09,600 Speaker 13: Yeah, and I would just say, you know, if I'm 678 00:33:09,680 --> 00:33:12,760 Speaker 13: after my target book and I have that encounter, like. 679 00:33:12,720 --> 00:33:14,360 Speaker 10: I said, I see that as a success. 680 00:33:14,400 --> 00:33:17,560 Speaker 13: If I'm after my target book and I'm not having encounters, 681 00:33:17,840 --> 00:33:20,680 Speaker 13: that's what I see as a failure in my mind, right, 682 00:33:20,760 --> 00:33:22,920 Speaker 13: I want to have encounters with that buck. I for 683 00:33:22,960 --> 00:33:25,680 Speaker 13: a long time, I worked really really hard to have 684 00:33:25,920 --> 00:33:29,040 Speaker 13: one opportunity at a mature buck of season. Now I've 685 00:33:29,120 --> 00:33:31,600 Speaker 13: kind of figured things out right, and I've also made 686 00:33:31,640 --> 00:33:34,120 Speaker 13: some tweaks on the property, and now it's not uncommon 687 00:33:34,160 --> 00:33:37,560 Speaker 13: to have five, six, ten encounters with mature bucks, you know. 688 00:33:37,640 --> 00:33:40,959 Speaker 13: But again, there's always that one buck that I'm focused on. 689 00:33:41,640 --> 00:33:45,680 Speaker 13: And sometimes it's hard. You know, you're crossing paths, maybe 690 00:33:45,680 --> 00:33:48,320 Speaker 13: you come through, then he comes through on camera, you know, 691 00:33:48,400 --> 00:33:51,440 Speaker 13: so you know he was there, you're just timings off 692 00:33:51,480 --> 00:33:54,280 Speaker 13: a little bit, or you see him but not within 693 00:33:54,720 --> 00:33:58,520 Speaker 13: range of the stand, or things change, you know, pressure 694 00:33:58,560 --> 00:34:02,120 Speaker 13: increases in the property, unforeseen circumstances. Those are things that 695 00:34:02,160 --> 00:34:05,880 Speaker 13: I look at as a failure, and also what are 696 00:34:06,000 --> 00:34:08,440 Speaker 13: things that I can do to get better to prevent 697 00:34:08,640 --> 00:34:11,120 Speaker 13: failures like that from happening in the future, And you know, 698 00:34:11,239 --> 00:34:14,200 Speaker 13: kind of break that down it's like a postseason debrief, like, oh, 699 00:34:14,400 --> 00:34:17,120 Speaker 13: you know, what could I have done differently? Essentially, But 700 00:34:17,480 --> 00:34:20,040 Speaker 13: on the other side of that is just not having 701 00:34:20,160 --> 00:34:22,480 Speaker 13: the target buck that you want, right. So I've been 702 00:34:22,520 --> 00:34:25,160 Speaker 13: there before too, like, oh, there's a year where there 703 00:34:25,200 --> 00:34:28,320 Speaker 13: really wasn't a buck that I was crazy to go after. 704 00:34:28,440 --> 00:34:30,920 Speaker 13: So I you know, we're all busy, and for me, 705 00:34:31,000 --> 00:34:33,680 Speaker 13: it's like, you know, I don't need to just go 706 00:34:33,719 --> 00:34:36,640 Speaker 13: out and kill one hundred and forty ish inch four 707 00:34:36,719 --> 00:34:39,719 Speaker 13: year old, you know, and the size is all relative, right, 708 00:34:39,760 --> 00:34:42,359 Speaker 13: I'm going for age class more than anything. So if 709 00:34:42,360 --> 00:34:45,680 Speaker 13: there's not a higher caliber deer out there, I'll probably 710 00:34:45,719 --> 00:34:47,760 Speaker 13: still hunt, but I'm not going to hunt as hard, 711 00:34:48,560 --> 00:34:50,080 Speaker 13: you know, if I don't have that deer, and I'll 712 00:34:50,120 --> 00:34:52,120 Speaker 13: have the patience to just let some of these younger 713 00:34:52,200 --> 00:34:55,239 Speaker 13: up and comers stay on the property, not pressure them off, 714 00:34:55,360 --> 00:34:57,759 Speaker 13: not let my guard down to where I'm just like, 715 00:34:58,080 --> 00:34:59,440 Speaker 13: there's not a buck out here I want to kill, 716 00:34:59,440 --> 00:35:02,359 Speaker 13: So I'm gonna you know, I'll be doing projects, has 717 00:35:02,400 --> 00:35:05,439 Speaker 13: at work, checking cameras, all willing nearly like totally off 718 00:35:05,480 --> 00:35:07,680 Speaker 13: script of how I would normally operate if I was 719 00:35:07,880 --> 00:35:10,560 Speaker 13: trying to pursue a target book, so you just back off, 720 00:35:10,600 --> 00:35:13,719 Speaker 13: keep the pressure, have that patience and self control so 721 00:35:13,760 --> 00:35:17,160 Speaker 13: that those four year old deer five year old deer again. 722 00:35:17,400 --> 00:35:20,520 Speaker 10: Whatever is lower than the age class you want. 723 00:35:20,719 --> 00:35:22,840 Speaker 13: Those deer are sticking around on your property more and 724 00:35:22,880 --> 00:35:25,239 Speaker 13: setting you up for the opportunity and years to come. 725 00:35:25,600 --> 00:35:27,200 Speaker 4: Last, but not least, we have Mark Kenyon. 726 00:35:27,239 --> 00:35:28,719 Speaker 3: You know who Mark is if you're listening a Wire 727 00:35:28,760 --> 00:35:31,960 Speaker 3: to Hunt from Michigan. And I really think you guys 728 00:35:32,000 --> 00:35:35,200 Speaker 3: will enjoy his answer to this question. Here we go. 729 00:35:35,440 --> 00:35:38,640 Speaker 3: There's a real simple question. Do a great hunter shoot 730 00:35:38,840 --> 00:35:40,640 Speaker 3: a buck every single year? 731 00:35:41,360 --> 00:35:44,799 Speaker 6: I think the answer is no, not necessarily. I think 732 00:35:44,960 --> 00:35:49,480 Speaker 6: most would have an opportunity to do so, but I 733 00:35:49,480 --> 00:35:52,520 Speaker 6: think many choose not to because I think most of 734 00:35:52,560 --> 00:35:57,600 Speaker 6: the great hunters out there will always put themselves in 735 00:35:57,640 --> 00:36:00,759 Speaker 6: a position to kill deer, will always themselves in the 736 00:36:00,760 --> 00:36:04,440 Speaker 6: position to probably have a good chance at killing a 737 00:36:04,440 --> 00:36:08,600 Speaker 6: mature buck. But also many of those greatest hunters get 738 00:36:08,719 --> 00:36:11,400 Speaker 6: to a point where they can very picky, very selective 739 00:36:11,840 --> 00:36:13,960 Speaker 6: about what do they want to put their tack on. 740 00:36:14,800 --> 00:36:17,960 Speaker 6: And I think a difference between like pretty good hunters 741 00:36:17,960 --> 00:36:20,360 Speaker 6: and great hunters is that once you get to great 742 00:36:21,080 --> 00:36:24,799 Speaker 6: I don't think goals and expectations are the same as 743 00:36:24,800 --> 00:36:26,640 Speaker 6: they used to be when they were just like really 744 00:36:26,640 --> 00:36:30,399 Speaker 6: good hunters. And so I think when a really good 745 00:36:30,480 --> 00:36:34,239 Speaker 6: hunter or a good hunter, there's this cliche thing about 746 00:36:34,280 --> 00:36:37,200 Speaker 6: the stages of a hunter's life, right, It's like he start, 747 00:36:37,239 --> 00:36:38,840 Speaker 6: he's like he's trying to figure out how to do 748 00:36:38,920 --> 00:36:40,080 Speaker 6: any of this stuff, and you fear out how to 749 00:36:40,160 --> 00:36:42,120 Speaker 6: kill your first dear, like awesome, I want to kill 750 00:36:42,120 --> 00:36:43,880 Speaker 6: a bunch of deer. And then you faire out how 751 00:36:43,880 --> 00:36:45,200 Speaker 6: to kill a bunch of deer, and then it's like, okay, 752 00:36:45,200 --> 00:36:46,920 Speaker 6: now I want to kill like a bigger deer, and 753 00:36:46,920 --> 00:36:48,439 Speaker 6: then I want to kill like a really big deer, 754 00:36:48,760 --> 00:36:51,279 Speaker 6: and then maybe it's like the one deer, and then 755 00:36:51,320 --> 00:36:52,840 Speaker 6: you get to a point where I don't even care 756 00:36:52,840 --> 00:36:54,800 Speaker 6: if I kill anymore deer because I want my grandkids 757 00:36:54,800 --> 00:36:56,200 Speaker 6: to kill a deer, I want my son to kill 758 00:36:56,200 --> 00:36:58,000 Speaker 6: a deer. I want to just have this place or 759 00:36:58,080 --> 00:37:00,400 Speaker 6: this experience or whatever. So I think for a lot 760 00:37:00,440 --> 00:37:02,239 Speaker 6: of people, when they get to that like great deer 761 00:37:02,320 --> 00:37:06,120 Speaker 6: hunter stage, many of them are at the point where like, hey, 762 00:37:06,160 --> 00:37:08,839 Speaker 6: you know what, it's I want that one deer or 763 00:37:08,880 --> 00:37:10,560 Speaker 6: I want this to be a puff that I've known 764 00:37:10,640 --> 00:37:13,200 Speaker 6: for four years, that's an eight year old or a 765 00:37:13,200 --> 00:37:15,400 Speaker 6: seven year old or whatever it is. And so I 766 00:37:15,400 --> 00:37:17,880 Speaker 6: think just because of that, they care less about I 767 00:37:17,920 --> 00:37:19,520 Speaker 6: need to kill a bunch of deer. And so I 768 00:37:19,520 --> 00:37:23,640 Speaker 6: think that there's less pressure, like internal pressure or even 769 00:37:23,760 --> 00:37:27,000 Speaker 6: like external pressure to like get a good deer every year, 770 00:37:27,360 --> 00:37:29,239 Speaker 6: because at that point, if you've gotten to the point 771 00:37:29,239 --> 00:37:31,640 Speaker 6: where you are a great hunter, I don't think you 772 00:37:31,719 --> 00:37:34,399 Speaker 6: care at all about what the outside world thinks about 773 00:37:34,400 --> 00:37:36,200 Speaker 6: whether or not you kill a deer every year, or 774 00:37:36,239 --> 00:37:38,239 Speaker 6: you probably don't even care because you've killed so many 775 00:37:38,280 --> 00:37:41,759 Speaker 6: deer to that point that really it's now what's going 776 00:37:41,840 --> 00:37:43,759 Speaker 6: to make me happy in this moment, And maybe that 777 00:37:43,840 --> 00:37:46,359 Speaker 6: means it's, you know, spending more time with the kids 778 00:37:46,360 --> 00:37:48,200 Speaker 6: and killing a bunch of does. And yet if the 779 00:37:48,239 --> 00:37:51,239 Speaker 6: one special deer or whatever it is isn't this year, 780 00:37:51,800 --> 00:37:54,279 Speaker 6: no big deal next year. But I do think that 781 00:37:54,360 --> 00:37:58,200 Speaker 6: anyone who's a truly great hunter would be in a 782 00:37:58,239 --> 00:38:01,319 Speaker 6: position that they could kill it da nice deer every year. 783 00:38:02,440 --> 00:38:04,920 Speaker 6: They just might choose not to. When I look at 784 00:38:04,920 --> 00:38:06,600 Speaker 6: like most of the guys out there that I would 785 00:38:06,719 --> 00:38:10,160 Speaker 6: consider truly truly great. I think that's the case. They 786 00:38:10,160 --> 00:38:15,640 Speaker 6: certainly could, but they might choose not Tom, And you know, 787 00:38:15,680 --> 00:38:19,080 Speaker 6: there's always gonna be weird freak circumstances too that just 788 00:38:19,160 --> 00:38:22,920 Speaker 6: like take your goal out of the picture completely, right. 789 00:38:22,960 --> 00:38:24,560 Speaker 6: I mean, there might be some people who all they 790 00:38:24,600 --> 00:38:26,759 Speaker 6: would want to kill is this one deer and then 791 00:38:26,840 --> 00:38:30,560 Speaker 6: EHD hits or something like that, and so for those people, 792 00:38:30,800 --> 00:38:34,160 Speaker 6: that changes the game. So so yes, I don't think 793 00:38:34,360 --> 00:38:36,719 Speaker 6: they have to kill a great deer every single year 794 00:38:36,800 --> 00:38:38,919 Speaker 6: to be a great deer hunter, but I certainly think 795 00:38:38,960 --> 00:38:40,919 Speaker 6: that they'd be in a position to do so because 796 00:38:40,960 --> 00:38:43,240 Speaker 6: those truly great ones are always putting in the work, 797 00:38:43,600 --> 00:38:46,280 Speaker 6: are always making sure they have options, are always making 798 00:38:46,320 --> 00:38:49,799 Speaker 6: sure that they have their ducks in a row enough 799 00:38:50,239 --> 00:38:52,719 Speaker 6: to be able to be to check that box there. 800 00:38:52,640 --> 00:38:54,919 Speaker 3: You guys having That is the conclusion of the first 801 00:38:54,960 --> 00:38:57,440 Speaker 3: episode of the Back forty podcast. It seemly feels like 802 00:38:57,480 --> 00:39:00,000 Speaker 3: these guys that we just chatted with shoot their target 803 00:39:00,120 --> 00:39:01,040 Speaker 3: buck every single year. 804 00:39:01,040 --> 00:39:01,799 Speaker 4: But you heard it here. 805 00:39:01,840 --> 00:39:03,759 Speaker 3: Great hunters may not shoot a buck every single year. 806 00:39:03,800 --> 00:39:06,080 Speaker 3: So that pressure that you're building up throughout the year, 807 00:39:06,160 --> 00:39:07,919 Speaker 3: don't let it get to you, because even these guys 808 00:39:07,920 --> 00:39:09,600 Speaker 3: don't fill a tag every single year, so I hope 809 00:39:09,640 --> 00:39:11,560 Speaker 3: you guys really enjoyed it. Next week, we're gonna be 810 00:39:11,600 --> 00:39:15,000 Speaker 3: diving into a new and exciting question and dilemma, and 811 00:39:15,040 --> 00:39:18,240 Speaker 3: that is the best part of my farm has bad access? 812 00:39:18,400 --> 00:39:20,239 Speaker 3: Should I hunt it? How do I hunt it? We're 813 00:39:20,239 --> 00:39:22,080 Speaker 3: going to get into that. So we will see you 814 00:39:22,120 --> 00:39:24,120 Speaker 3: next week on the back forty podcast.