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Speaker 1: I mean this, this deserves nationwide attention because I'm afraid

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Speaker 1: presidential election, during Trump rallies and speeches all across the country.

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Speaker 1: For the umpteenth time, the monsters of Antifa have decided

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Speaker 1: As everybody, but everybody condemns any sort of right wing

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Speaker 1: political violence, the American media is incredibly slow to wake

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Speaker 1: up from wake up to the violence on the left.

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Speaker 1: Andy no is a journalist. He is a writer for

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Speaker 1: Quilette dot com. The Quilette, which I find an absolutely

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Speaker 1: terrific source of independent journalism. And frankly got the hell

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Speaker 1: beat out him beat out of him the other day

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Speaker 1: by these domestic terrorists, and he joins us, now, Andy, hey,

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Speaker 1: how are you doing man? That could be about her?

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Speaker 1: I just appreciate that you're spending time to show my

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Speaker 1: story with your listeners. Thank you, well, yeah, we believe

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Speaker 1: and have very deeply for a long time that if

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Speaker 1: you permit violence, it will breed nothing but more violence.

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Speaker 1: And we think it's absolutely sickening what the city authorities

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Speaker 1: in Portland in particular have not done. Can you just

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Speaker 1: briefly describe what was going on, why were you doing

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Speaker 1: what you're doing, and then what happened to you. I

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Speaker 1: and I apologize if I um pause at various points

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Speaker 1: or speaking slowly. I have a brain injury from the attack. Um. So,

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Speaker 1: Portland is a progressive monoculture and here it's become a

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Speaker 1: you've seen basically now is what ever since two thousand

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Speaker 1: to escalate more and more. What they're willing to do openly.

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Speaker 1: So what happened to me on Saturday was I was

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Speaker 1: documenting one of their public demonstrations against some right wing groups.

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Speaker 1: And they have been extremely critical of my writing as

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Speaker 1: and I described them very openly as a paramilitary like

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Speaker 1: for revolution and their modes Randy is is violence. So

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Speaker 1: they hate me for that. And I've been assaulted before,

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Speaker 1: I've been docked, which is where they release your address online,

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Speaker 1: I've been threatened. All of these incidents have been reported

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Speaker 1: Suddenly this crowd felt that they were able to rasen

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Speaker 1: the attacked me in the middle of the street, completely

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Speaker 1: unprovoked on my part. They the first hit came in

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Speaker 1: Dylan Andy's attorney. Harmat What are you hoping to do

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Speaker 1: full panoply of suing everybody we can responsible for what

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Speaker 1: And and the police have to know whenever Antifa shows

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Speaker 1: HOC that. I don't know. It's my I can't confirm that.

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Speaker 1: come under legal scrutiny in coming weeks and months well,

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Speaker 1: as it does. Unfortunately, we're pressed for time, and we

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Speaker 1: with the limitations they're dealing with. So har meat Dylan

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Speaker 1: and Andy. No, we wish you well Andy and your recovery,

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Speaker 1: take care of yourself and and please do stay in touch.

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Speaker 1: Thank you, Thank you all right back with Darryl Turner,

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Speaker 1: the Portland Police Association next