1 00:00:01,360 --> 00:00:05,240 Speaker 1: Welcome to the Wired to Hunt podcast, home of the 2 00:00:05,320 --> 00:00:10,639 Speaker 1: modern white tail hunter and now your host, Mark Kenyon. 3 00:00:13,640 --> 00:00:15,840 Speaker 1: Welcome to the Wire to Hunt podcast, which is brought 4 00:00:15,920 --> 00:00:19,040 Speaker 1: to you by First Light. Today's episode is all about 5 00:00:19,200 --> 00:00:23,200 Speaker 1: zeroing in on early October white tails with public land 6 00:00:23,280 --> 00:00:42,519 Speaker 1: expert Zach Fleer. Hey, everyone, Tony Peterson here filling in 7 00:00:42,560 --> 00:00:46,040 Speaker 1: from Mark Kenyon. Once again, Mark mentioned he was headed 8 00:00:46,080 --> 00:00:48,320 Speaker 1: down to and I think I think I might have 9 00:00:48,360 --> 00:00:51,320 Speaker 1: got this wrong, but I'm not sure. The California Mermaid 10 00:00:51,400 --> 00:00:54,600 Speaker 1: Convention in Sacramento. The connection was breaking up, so I'm 11 00:00:54,600 --> 00:00:57,000 Speaker 1: not sure if that's actually what he said, but it 12 00:00:57,080 --> 00:00:58,280 Speaker 1: is a real thing if you want to look it 13 00:00:58,320 --> 00:01:01,040 Speaker 1: up anyway. I hope he has down there, and I 14 00:01:01,080 --> 00:01:04,520 Speaker 1: hope you have as much fun listening to this episode 15 00:01:04,640 --> 00:01:08,320 Speaker 1: with Missouri big buck killers Zach Fleer as I had 16 00:01:08,400 --> 00:01:12,480 Speaker 1: recording it with him. You know how during conversations on 17 00:01:12,560 --> 00:01:16,240 Speaker 1: who's the best deer hunter, the usual suspects names get 18 00:01:16,319 --> 00:01:19,680 Speaker 1: dropped all the time, but then someone will always say, 19 00:01:20,040 --> 00:01:22,240 Speaker 1: none of those guys could hold a candle to such 20 00:01:22,280 --> 00:01:24,959 Speaker 1: and such from my hometown or from my home state. 21 00:01:25,520 --> 00:01:27,920 Speaker 1: That dude kills giant bucks on public land every year 22 00:01:27,959 --> 00:01:31,120 Speaker 1: but he isn't chasing hunting fame and glory. Well, those 23 00:01:31,200 --> 00:01:35,160 Speaker 1: experts actually do exist in so many different localities, and 24 00:01:35,319 --> 00:01:40,880 Speaker 1: Zach definitely qualifies. He dropped some real knowledge on October 25 00:01:40,880 --> 00:01:43,600 Speaker 1: white tail hunting on this episode and really breaks down 26 00:01:43,640 --> 00:01:47,480 Speaker 1: his strategy for getting on big bucks on pressured public 27 00:01:47,560 --> 00:01:50,160 Speaker 1: land during a time of the season when the hunting 28 00:01:50,200 --> 00:01:55,279 Speaker 1: is supposed to suck. Zach Fleer, Welcome to the podcast, buddy. Hey, Tony, 29 00:01:55,320 --> 00:01:57,640 Speaker 1: thanks for having me on again. Dude, it is always 30 00:01:57,640 --> 00:02:00,400 Speaker 1: great to see your face. You are You're one of 31 00:02:00,440 --> 00:02:03,639 Speaker 1: my favorite people to chat with in the hunting space 32 00:02:03,680 --> 00:02:06,680 Speaker 1: because I know that you're always getting after it and 33 00:02:06,680 --> 00:02:10,080 Speaker 1: you're you live down in Missouri and you hunt a 34 00:02:10,160 --> 00:02:12,640 Speaker 1: lot of public land, and so your advice is always 35 00:02:12,639 --> 00:02:17,240 Speaker 1: when when you speak, I listen. I appreciate that. Yeah, 36 00:02:17,480 --> 00:02:21,440 Speaker 1: definitely wasn't always that way, but out of necessarily started 37 00:02:21,560 --> 00:02:25,640 Speaker 1: hunting the public land, and uh, there's a learning curve, 38 00:02:25,720 --> 00:02:27,919 Speaker 1: so starting to I feel like I'm starting to get 39 00:02:27,919 --> 00:02:31,720 Speaker 1: things figured out, and I actually really enjoy hunting the 40 00:02:31,760 --> 00:02:35,000 Speaker 1: public land more than I did the private farm. So yeah, 41 00:02:35,040 --> 00:02:38,519 Speaker 1: and you you're in a unique position because you, like 42 00:02:38,520 --> 00:02:41,680 Speaker 1: like a lot of people you had family land to hunt, right, 43 00:02:42,000 --> 00:02:44,520 Speaker 1: Is that was that right? Yeah? We still do yep. 44 00:02:45,120 --> 00:02:47,560 Speaker 1: But so you have a private farm you could hunt, 45 00:02:47,919 --> 00:02:49,560 Speaker 1: and yet you're down there in Missouri and you're like, 46 00:02:49,560 --> 00:02:51,600 Speaker 1: you know what, screw that, it's too easy, I'm gonna 47 00:02:51,600 --> 00:02:53,200 Speaker 1: go hunt in public land? Or how how did that 48 00:02:53,280 --> 00:02:57,880 Speaker 1: situation come to be? Um? When when we started having 49 00:02:58,600 --> 00:03:01,040 Speaker 1: kids and everything, it's not as easy to make that 50 00:03:01,160 --> 00:03:03,400 Speaker 1: two and a half hour drive to the farm, and 51 00:03:03,440 --> 00:03:06,840 Speaker 1: so it's a lot easier to run like ten miles 52 00:03:06,880 --> 00:03:09,560 Speaker 1: up the road there's public land. It's like I can 53 00:03:09,639 --> 00:03:12,239 Speaker 1: hunt that and be home tonight, or hunt it early 54 00:03:12,240 --> 00:03:14,959 Speaker 1: in the morning to come back. And so just out 55 00:03:15,000 --> 00:03:18,320 Speaker 1: of more convenience and necessity not have been able to 56 00:03:18,320 --> 00:03:20,640 Speaker 1: have the freedom to go to the farm every weekend. 57 00:03:21,280 --> 00:03:25,680 Speaker 1: And uh just discovered I really liked the challenge. It 58 00:03:25,760 --> 00:03:29,120 Speaker 1: forced me to learn a lot more. Actually became a hunter. 59 00:03:29,160 --> 00:03:32,040 Speaker 1: I would say, Um, whereas the farm, I still enjoy 60 00:03:32,080 --> 00:03:35,280 Speaker 1: the farm. I love hunting with my family, my dad, Um, 61 00:03:35,320 --> 00:03:38,560 Speaker 1: but it is more of we have stands. There's food plots, 62 00:03:38,560 --> 00:03:41,120 Speaker 1: and you go sit those stands. It's there's not a 63 00:03:41,160 --> 00:03:45,600 Speaker 1: lot of strategy or um my learning kind of capped 64 00:03:45,680 --> 00:03:48,360 Speaker 1: until I started hunting public land again. So I guess 65 00:03:48,360 --> 00:03:52,040 Speaker 1: that's it made it made it more fulfilling, more exciting 66 00:03:52,040 --> 00:03:55,000 Speaker 1: when I had to actually re engage and start learning. 67 00:03:55,880 --> 00:03:58,360 Speaker 1: I thought I knew about dear dear and dear behavior, 68 00:03:58,400 --> 00:04:01,080 Speaker 1: but I did not until started hunting near the head 69 00:04:01,120 --> 00:04:03,160 Speaker 1: pressure on him. So yeah, and so I want to 70 00:04:03,200 --> 00:04:06,160 Speaker 1: ask you about that because I would probably say a 71 00:04:06,200 --> 00:04:08,720 Speaker 1: majority of the white tail hunters who say I've got 72 00:04:08,840 --> 00:04:11,280 Speaker 1: my spot, and you know, for a lot of people, 73 00:04:11,280 --> 00:04:12,920 Speaker 1: that would be the family farm, and they would only 74 00:04:13,000 --> 00:04:15,200 Speaker 1: hunt if they could get there or they could they 75 00:04:15,200 --> 00:04:16,960 Speaker 1: would only hunt if they could get to the permission 76 00:04:17,040 --> 00:04:21,440 Speaker 1: based property or whatever situation they have. And people are 77 00:04:21,800 --> 00:04:26,520 Speaker 1: very generally yeah, kind of kind of averse to the 78 00:04:26,560 --> 00:04:29,200 Speaker 1: idea of like, well I have private land I could hunt, 79 00:04:29,200 --> 00:04:31,560 Speaker 1: why would I go hunt public land? Was it was 80 00:04:31,600 --> 00:04:33,520 Speaker 1: that a tough hurdle for you to get over? Were 81 00:04:33,520 --> 00:04:35,800 Speaker 1: you just like, man, I want to hunt, this is 82 00:04:35,839 --> 00:04:38,760 Speaker 1: my only option. I'm just gonna go do it. Uh? 83 00:04:38,839 --> 00:04:42,880 Speaker 1: It was? It still was a very tough hurdle because like, 84 00:04:43,040 --> 00:04:46,080 Speaker 1: I know my my farms, the family farms, I knew 85 00:04:46,080 --> 00:04:48,880 Speaker 1: them well, and it was just how I had always 86 00:04:48,920 --> 00:04:53,159 Speaker 1: done things, so it uh, it was familiar, it's comfortable. 87 00:04:53,560 --> 00:04:57,080 Speaker 1: And so the public land, Uh, when I first got 88 00:04:57,120 --> 00:05:00,280 Speaker 1: started into it, like it was hard to even see dear, 89 00:05:00,400 --> 00:05:03,200 Speaker 1: I did not do it. And I hunted it, you know, 90 00:05:03,400 --> 00:05:07,680 Speaker 1: hunting open fields, hunting the crop lands and stuff, which works, 91 00:05:07,720 --> 00:05:10,520 Speaker 1: but it's not as consistently. You're not gonna see deer 92 00:05:10,960 --> 00:05:13,400 Speaker 1: and the wide open on public land on a normal basis. 93 00:05:13,400 --> 00:05:15,719 Speaker 1: They're just used to being hunted, they used to having 94 00:05:15,720 --> 00:05:18,359 Speaker 1: that pressure, and so they react differently. And so it 95 00:05:18,400 --> 00:05:22,520 Speaker 1: took me probably two years, uh, three years to get 96 00:05:22,880 --> 00:05:26,000 Speaker 1: get that figured out. And so it was it was 97 00:05:26,000 --> 00:05:28,440 Speaker 1: definitely a big hurdle like those first couple of years, Like, man, 98 00:05:28,440 --> 00:05:31,000 Speaker 1: I would just rather go hunt the farm. I know 99 00:05:31,120 --> 00:05:34,560 Speaker 1: the farm, I know there'll be dear um. And so 100 00:05:36,040 --> 00:05:39,000 Speaker 1: after after getting a little bit better with my scouting, 101 00:05:39,080 --> 00:05:42,960 Speaker 1: after learning a lot um those places that I originally 102 00:05:42,960 --> 00:05:45,320 Speaker 1: started hunting, you get get a little bit further off 103 00:05:45,360 --> 00:05:47,200 Speaker 1: the fields, get a little bit further into some cover 104 00:05:47,240 --> 00:05:50,239 Speaker 1: and actually start using the sign to kind of direct 105 00:05:50,279 --> 00:05:52,160 Speaker 1: you where the deer are. Now. I see a lot 106 00:05:52,160 --> 00:05:54,640 Speaker 1: of deer on public land. There are plenty of deer there, 107 00:05:54,640 --> 00:05:57,520 Speaker 1: and and also seen some really great bucks. So it's 108 00:05:58,520 --> 00:06:02,240 Speaker 1: you know that the first couple were definitely challenges. If 109 00:06:02,279 --> 00:06:05,479 Speaker 1: it weren't probably out of necessity to hunt public land, 110 00:06:06,279 --> 00:06:09,160 Speaker 1: probably just went back to the farm. But but now 111 00:06:09,320 --> 00:06:13,280 Speaker 1: I said, it's it's fun to re engage and relearn 112 00:06:13,360 --> 00:06:16,960 Speaker 1: and um just more about hunting and dear behaviors. So 113 00:06:17,440 --> 00:06:20,200 Speaker 1: you know, well you fell into a very familiar trap. 114 00:06:20,240 --> 00:06:23,160 Speaker 1: It sounds like that a lot of people. I mean, 115 00:06:23,360 --> 00:06:25,800 Speaker 1: this afflicts all of us bow hunters and all of 116 00:06:25,880 --> 00:06:29,279 Speaker 1: us deer hunters, where we just default to where we 117 00:06:29,279 --> 00:06:31,280 Speaker 1: can see, We default to where we think that you 118 00:06:31,400 --> 00:06:34,240 Speaker 1: are going to go. And you know this is this 119 00:06:34,320 --> 00:06:36,280 Speaker 1: is something I just I've preached about for so long 120 00:06:36,320 --> 00:06:39,480 Speaker 1: because I believe it. It's like private land, dear, are 121 00:06:39,520 --> 00:06:43,039 Speaker 1: not public land, dear. There's a difference in most situations. 122 00:06:43,040 --> 00:06:45,760 Speaker 1: There's a difference. And that easy field edge stand it 123 00:06:45,920 --> 00:06:50,760 Speaker 1: looks so dreamy on public land, probably isn't worth anything 124 00:06:50,800 --> 00:06:53,599 Speaker 1: after day two of the season, because that's that's where 125 00:06:53,600 --> 00:06:56,479 Speaker 1: all And so when you when you started that and 126 00:06:56,520 --> 00:06:58,520 Speaker 1: you're like looking, you go, Okay, if I was on 127 00:06:58,760 --> 00:07:00,920 Speaker 1: the home farm, I'd sit here in this back corner. 128 00:07:01,400 --> 00:07:03,800 Speaker 1: Could you were you also seeing like, man, there's a 129 00:07:03,880 --> 00:07:06,960 Speaker 1: stand there. These guys walked in here where you just like, 130 00:07:07,320 --> 00:07:08,880 Speaker 1: how long did it take you before You're like, man, 131 00:07:08,880 --> 00:07:12,480 Speaker 1: the saturation point of this pressure probably means I shouldn't 132 00:07:12,480 --> 00:07:15,640 Speaker 1: be hunting, just like everybody else. Yeah, that was the 133 00:07:15,720 --> 00:07:19,600 Speaker 1: thing you would see stands um and now he was like, okay, 134 00:07:19,640 --> 00:07:22,240 Speaker 1: I'll move another thirty yards down. It wasn't like I'm 135 00:07:22,240 --> 00:07:25,040 Speaker 1: gonna try to find a new area, um, because there 136 00:07:25,120 --> 00:07:27,600 Speaker 1: was there was signed in those places. Deer used those 137 00:07:27,600 --> 00:07:29,640 Speaker 1: places in the middle of the night, so they're still 138 00:07:29,640 --> 00:07:32,800 Speaker 1: sign there, so that it was like the dear here somewhere, 139 00:07:32,840 --> 00:07:35,360 Speaker 1: but they're just not doing it daylight. So yeah, after 140 00:07:35,360 --> 00:07:37,800 Speaker 1: a while, after seeing a lot of people walk under 141 00:07:37,840 --> 00:07:40,880 Speaker 1: your standard by your stand and seeing all those tree stands, 142 00:07:40,880 --> 00:07:44,480 Speaker 1: like you eventually start to explore more places. That was 143 00:07:44,520 --> 00:07:48,600 Speaker 1: really when I've learned how to scout too, because on 144 00:07:48,720 --> 00:07:51,360 Speaker 1: the on the family farm, we don't do it really 145 00:07:51,360 --> 00:07:52,960 Speaker 1: a ton of scouting. Like I said, the food pots 146 00:07:53,000 --> 00:07:54,720 Speaker 1: are there, the stands there only is in the same 147 00:07:54,720 --> 00:07:57,000 Speaker 1: place every year, and so that's that's what you do. 148 00:07:57,040 --> 00:07:58,640 Speaker 1: You put some cameras up and see what new are 149 00:07:58,680 --> 00:08:01,640 Speaker 1: coming in. Uh. But when that transition happened to the 150 00:08:01,680 --> 00:08:04,520 Speaker 1: public land. I actually had to figure out, like where 151 00:08:04,560 --> 00:08:06,200 Speaker 1: are the deer. They don't just come out to these 152 00:08:06,240 --> 00:08:09,680 Speaker 1: same spots, and and they that changes throughout the season 153 00:08:09,720 --> 00:08:12,800 Speaker 1: with you know, food, food source changes, and also with 154 00:08:12,840 --> 00:08:15,080 Speaker 1: the pressure. Like you said, like the first couple of days, 155 00:08:15,080 --> 00:08:19,720 Speaker 1: they'll be more out and available during daytime, and once 156 00:08:19,720 --> 00:08:22,760 Speaker 1: they feel that pressure, they definitely change. You know, they're 157 00:08:22,760 --> 00:08:24,440 Speaker 1: not going to be out in the open for you 158 00:08:24,480 --> 00:08:26,800 Speaker 1: to see them. So yeah, I think that that that 159 00:08:26,880 --> 00:08:29,320 Speaker 1: experience that you had sitting in the sitting in kind 160 00:08:29,320 --> 00:08:32,880 Speaker 1: of the obvious spots right away, that really sours a 161 00:08:32,920 --> 00:08:35,200 Speaker 1: lot of people on public land because they go in 162 00:08:35,240 --> 00:08:36,760 Speaker 1: and they do what they think is gonna work, and 163 00:08:36,760 --> 00:08:38,880 Speaker 1: it's not gonna work. And you know, you can see 164 00:08:38,920 --> 00:08:41,280 Speaker 1: the same thing happen on pressure private ground too. I 165 00:08:41,320 --> 00:08:44,640 Speaker 1: mean it's not it's not exclusive to public land. It's 166 00:08:44,679 --> 00:08:46,439 Speaker 1: just very obvious a lot of times when you start 167 00:08:46,480 --> 00:08:51,320 Speaker 1: doing that, and like you said, when you start scouting, 168 00:08:52,120 --> 00:08:55,360 Speaker 1: you realize you're missing something because you're you're like, you know, 169 00:08:55,480 --> 00:08:58,120 Speaker 1: there's you know, people will say, oh, there's no bucks 170 00:08:58,200 --> 00:08:59,880 Speaker 1: left on this land or that land. Like man, if 171 00:08:59,880 --> 00:09:02,360 Speaker 1: you got decent cover. There's deer in there somewhere, and 172 00:09:02,440 --> 00:09:04,960 Speaker 1: you see that sign and you go, all right, there's 173 00:09:04,960 --> 00:09:07,640 Speaker 1: a disconnect here because I'm doing everything I think I 174 00:09:07,640 --> 00:09:09,960 Speaker 1: should and I am not seeing them, and it just 175 00:09:10,040 --> 00:09:14,120 Speaker 1: forces you to rethink. Yeah, yeah, definitely was the case, 176 00:09:14,280 --> 00:09:17,440 Speaker 1: and sometimes it's not. You don't always have to hike 177 00:09:17,520 --> 00:09:21,199 Speaker 1: three miles into a place. Sometimes it's just a secluded 178 00:09:21,280 --> 00:09:24,679 Speaker 1: litter area. Uh. I go back to the a few 179 00:09:24,760 --> 00:09:27,800 Speaker 1: years ago. There's a buck literally he was betted, you know, 180 00:09:29,440 --> 00:09:33,240 Speaker 1: yards from the parking lot, but everybody left the opposite 181 00:09:33,240 --> 00:09:35,160 Speaker 1: direction going down the trail out of the parking lot, 182 00:09:35,400 --> 00:09:37,760 Speaker 1: and he was betted. He knew when people were there. 183 00:09:38,200 --> 00:09:40,320 Speaker 1: So it's just those places you have to you have 184 00:09:40,400 --> 00:09:42,000 Speaker 1: to scout, you have to look around, you have to 185 00:09:42,040 --> 00:09:46,320 Speaker 1: find those places where the dr are because they observe 186 00:09:46,440 --> 00:09:50,600 Speaker 1: and react to our behavior as much as we we do. There. So, yeah, 187 00:09:50,760 --> 00:09:53,920 Speaker 1: there's a you know, you've you've mentioned this and kind 188 00:09:53,920 --> 00:09:56,960 Speaker 1: of alluded to this, but this occurred to me last weekend. 189 00:09:56,960 --> 00:10:00,200 Speaker 1: I was down in southwestern Wisconsin and we were gonna 190 00:10:00,240 --> 00:10:02,079 Speaker 1: do some fish and we were hanging some tree stands 191 00:10:02,080 --> 00:10:04,719 Speaker 1: and stuff too, but the river was coming up so 192 00:10:04,800 --> 00:10:07,760 Speaker 1: much and it just let's let's do our deer work 193 00:10:07,800 --> 00:10:09,360 Speaker 1: because we knew the fishing was gonna be very good. 194 00:10:09,880 --> 00:10:13,920 Speaker 1: And I tend to mostly fish one lake now in 195 00:10:13,960 --> 00:10:15,440 Speaker 1: my life because that's where we have a place, and 196 00:10:15,480 --> 00:10:17,000 Speaker 1: so I mean, I go to other places, but like 197 00:10:17,080 --> 00:10:19,120 Speaker 1: that's kind of my default. Like I'm there a lot, 198 00:10:19,200 --> 00:10:21,280 Speaker 1: I know it, and I go to the same place 199 00:10:21,320 --> 00:10:22,679 Speaker 1: as the small as are gonna be on this rock 200 00:10:22,720 --> 00:10:24,400 Speaker 1: pile or that rock pile, or they're gonna eat this 201 00:10:24,520 --> 00:10:26,160 Speaker 1: or that, you know. And then when I go to 202 00:10:26,360 --> 00:10:31,720 Speaker 1: fish the Mississippi River, it's always different. It's always changing, 203 00:10:31,760 --> 00:10:34,400 Speaker 1: and it's like, you know, okay, maybe in this backwater 204 00:10:34,440 --> 00:10:37,960 Speaker 1: slew there were a bunch of large mouth eating frogs 205 00:10:38,000 --> 00:10:40,080 Speaker 1: two weeks ago, but now the water dropped a foot 206 00:10:40,200 --> 00:10:42,680 Speaker 1: or came up two ft. It's like, you know they're 207 00:10:42,720 --> 00:10:46,040 Speaker 1: here somewhere. But it's it's always It just forces you 208 00:10:46,080 --> 00:10:48,560 Speaker 1: to just think, like what are the conditions right now, 209 00:10:48,920 --> 00:10:52,120 Speaker 1: and what would they do? What? What what potentially would 210 00:10:52,120 --> 00:10:55,319 Speaker 1: they do in reaction to those conditions. And it reminded me, 211 00:10:55,360 --> 00:10:57,160 Speaker 1: I'm like, this is just like freaking hunting deer on 212 00:10:57,200 --> 00:11:00,920 Speaker 1: public land, Like it's never consistent, you know, like you think, 213 00:11:01,080 --> 00:11:03,280 Speaker 1: you think, I do this every year. I go, I'm 214 00:11:03,320 --> 00:11:05,600 Speaker 1: going back to this spot and they're gonna cross the 215 00:11:05,679 --> 00:11:07,960 Speaker 1: river here or they're gonna be feeding here, and I 216 00:11:08,040 --> 00:11:10,760 Speaker 1: show up, and it's always different. A lot of times 217 00:11:10,800 --> 00:11:13,360 Speaker 1: you're like in the right neighborhood, but you're just you 218 00:11:13,400 --> 00:11:15,600 Speaker 1: get it wrong, and it just forces you to think 219 00:11:15,640 --> 00:11:17,880 Speaker 1: on your feet. And you know what you mentioned there 220 00:11:18,360 --> 00:11:21,520 Speaker 1: about the home farm. When you get those stands up, 221 00:11:21,840 --> 00:11:23,200 Speaker 1: this this is the This is what a lot of 222 00:11:23,200 --> 00:11:26,160 Speaker 1: people do. They get their ambush sites right, Like I 223 00:11:26,360 --> 00:11:28,200 Speaker 1: gotta stand on this food plot, I gotta stand in 224 00:11:28,240 --> 00:11:31,320 Speaker 1: this crossing in this corner. And then when it's time 225 00:11:31,360 --> 00:11:33,520 Speaker 1: to hunt, you look at the wind direction you go, well, 226 00:11:34,040 --> 00:11:35,880 Speaker 1: the winds out of the northwest. I guess I'm going 227 00:11:35,920 --> 00:11:38,319 Speaker 1: to the old faithful here in the corner. But you're 228 00:11:38,320 --> 00:11:40,680 Speaker 1: not really thinking, like why would the deer be there 229 00:11:40,800 --> 00:11:43,320 Speaker 1: right now? And there's a and and and that stuff 230 00:11:43,320 --> 00:11:44,679 Speaker 1: can be fun and like I don't I don't want 231 00:11:44,679 --> 00:11:47,360 Speaker 1: to knock it. But the the experience of hunting pressure 232 00:11:47,400 --> 00:11:51,720 Speaker 1: deer forces you just a factor in so much different stuff. Yeah, 233 00:11:51,920 --> 00:11:55,600 Speaker 1: it really does. And uh, I said, not not even dear, 234 00:11:55,760 --> 00:11:58,640 Speaker 1: like shifting from year year, even from day to day. 235 00:11:58,720 --> 00:12:01,880 Speaker 1: Somebody may you may find like a really good spot 236 00:12:02,080 --> 00:12:03,560 Speaker 1: and come back the next day and they're just stay 237 00:12:03,559 --> 00:12:06,360 Speaker 1: in there. You're like, well, I got to readjust to that, 238 00:12:06,440 --> 00:12:08,920 Speaker 1: because it's like it happens. It happens all the time, 239 00:12:08,960 --> 00:12:10,839 Speaker 1: and I used to get frustrated by it, and now 240 00:12:10,880 --> 00:12:12,920 Speaker 1: it's like it's it's public land. I'm glad there are 241 00:12:12,960 --> 00:12:15,160 Speaker 1: people out here, and you do have to react. You 242 00:12:15,240 --> 00:12:18,640 Speaker 1: kind of have to scout why you're hunting, which was 243 00:12:18,679 --> 00:12:20,920 Speaker 1: a new concept and not I used to think if 244 00:12:20,960 --> 00:12:23,000 Speaker 1: you scouted, like why you were hunting, it's like you're 245 00:12:23,000 --> 00:12:25,760 Speaker 1: gonna spook deer and they're not gonna come back. And 246 00:12:25,800 --> 00:12:28,880 Speaker 1: while they they usually come back, that's their home, like 247 00:12:28,920 --> 00:12:32,600 Speaker 1: they're gonna be there somewhere. And so I think last 248 00:12:32,640 --> 00:12:35,920 Speaker 1: year was was really the first year I actually followed 249 00:12:35,920 --> 00:12:39,199 Speaker 1: through on that. Actually I would hunting area and if 250 00:12:39,240 --> 00:12:42,160 Speaker 1: there weren't deer, like get down and slowly move until 251 00:12:42,160 --> 00:12:44,640 Speaker 1: you started finding signed and you would bump a couple 252 00:12:44,640 --> 00:12:46,839 Speaker 1: of deer. But I go back in there the next 253 00:12:46,880 --> 00:12:50,160 Speaker 1: weekend or something and they're we're moving free lease through there, 254 00:12:50,160 --> 00:12:55,320 Speaker 1: and so it's it's constantly kind of readjusting as you go. Um, 255 00:12:55,360 --> 00:12:58,640 Speaker 1: there are maybe a good a few good like old 256 00:12:58,640 --> 00:13:00,960 Speaker 1: faithful spots on publicly in where you can go set 257 00:13:01,000 --> 00:13:03,599 Speaker 1: up and see here. Um, but if somebody pops a 258 00:13:03,679 --> 00:13:07,320 Speaker 1: stand up in there and they're hunting on a regular basis, yeah, 259 00:13:07,320 --> 00:13:10,079 Speaker 1: it may not be that way that year. So it's yeah, 260 00:13:10,240 --> 00:13:13,440 Speaker 1: there's always things changing. Yeah, in my experience, it's a 261 00:13:13,480 --> 00:13:16,280 Speaker 1: really good idea to not count on that, maybe check 262 00:13:16,360 --> 00:13:22,040 Speaker 1: them from year to year. But I just I never see, like, 263 00:13:22,080 --> 00:13:23,599 Speaker 1: I don't know if I've ever killed a deer on 264 00:13:23,679 --> 00:13:26,599 Speaker 1: the same tree on public land ever, you know, I 265 00:13:26,600 --> 00:13:29,800 Speaker 1: mean it's always but I've you know, I've killed deer 266 00:13:29,800 --> 00:13:31,520 Speaker 1: in this spot where I can see the tree that 267 00:13:31,520 --> 00:13:33,320 Speaker 1: I killed him on last time, or see where I 268 00:13:33,320 --> 00:13:36,440 Speaker 1: tucked into the ground line. But it's it is always 269 00:13:36,520 --> 00:13:39,720 Speaker 1: just just different. And you know what you're talking about 270 00:13:39,760 --> 00:13:42,839 Speaker 1: there too, where you know that in season scouting people 271 00:13:42,880 --> 00:13:47,120 Speaker 1: get real they get real nervous about covering ground and 272 00:13:47,160 --> 00:13:50,480 Speaker 1: just finding those deer concentrations. But if you're not on them, 273 00:13:50,520 --> 00:13:52,520 Speaker 1: like what are you gonna do? You're just gonna you're 274 00:13:52,520 --> 00:13:54,120 Speaker 1: just gonna wait it out, or you're gonna sit it out, 275 00:13:54,160 --> 00:13:57,840 Speaker 1: And that to me, especially when you're talking about a 276 00:13:57,880 --> 00:14:00,600 Speaker 1: time of the season like early October where it's not 277 00:14:00,640 --> 00:14:03,480 Speaker 1: supposed to be good, Like what are you gonna do. 278 00:14:03,679 --> 00:14:05,320 Speaker 1: You can sit there and not hunt. Are you gonna 279 00:14:05,320 --> 00:14:07,360 Speaker 1: sit there and not look for those concentrations? Like you 280 00:14:07,360 --> 00:14:09,040 Speaker 1: gotta go and find them, and you know, be smart 281 00:14:09,080 --> 00:14:12,240 Speaker 1: about it. But they will let you get away with 282 00:14:12,400 --> 00:14:16,040 Speaker 1: some stuff if you know, especially if you're in the 283 00:14:16,160 --> 00:14:21,360 Speaker 1: cover where they feel secure. Yeah. Yeah, And early October, 284 00:14:22,240 --> 00:14:24,880 Speaker 1: I mean you would you heard forever growing up that 285 00:14:24,880 --> 00:14:27,480 Speaker 1: that's the like the October loll was the big thing, 286 00:14:27,560 --> 00:14:33,360 Speaker 1: and uh yeah, oftentimes I would, I wouldn't hunt as much. 287 00:14:33,560 --> 00:14:36,400 Speaker 1: And then when you have less and less time to hunt, 288 00:14:36,440 --> 00:14:39,120 Speaker 1: when you're available to hunt, that's when you hunt. And 289 00:14:39,120 --> 00:14:41,720 Speaker 1: so some of that time fell in October. It's like, well, 290 00:14:41,760 --> 00:14:44,960 Speaker 1: I'm not gonna just sit here and thank you. Back. 291 00:14:44,960 --> 00:14:47,560 Speaker 1: Two years ago I killed a great buck October I 292 00:14:47,560 --> 00:14:50,920 Speaker 1: think it was six, and then the last year I 293 00:14:51,360 --> 00:14:54,800 Speaker 1: had occurious to even blew that. But um, October is 294 00:14:54,800 --> 00:14:56,640 Speaker 1: a great time to hunt deer. It is a transition 295 00:14:56,680 --> 00:14:59,880 Speaker 1: time there, like things are changing day, let's getting shorter, 296 00:15:00,040 --> 00:15:03,200 Speaker 1: the you know green stuff that they have been eating 297 00:15:03,200 --> 00:15:05,520 Speaker 1: on as maturing and it's not as great a food source. 298 00:15:05,800 --> 00:15:11,280 Speaker 1: Acorns are falling around here, um bucks are you know, 299 00:15:11,520 --> 00:15:13,840 Speaker 1: they're kind of changing moods a little bit, so they're 300 00:15:13,880 --> 00:15:17,120 Speaker 1: all transitioning. They're not just laying there not doing anything though, 301 00:15:17,200 --> 00:15:19,560 Speaker 1: So if you can find where they are, find a 302 00:15:20,120 --> 00:15:22,520 Speaker 1: like free tours, I find a good white oak and 303 00:15:22,720 --> 00:15:25,000 Speaker 1: a currently not all white oaks are the same. I 304 00:15:25,000 --> 00:15:27,480 Speaker 1: don't know what makes one white oak better than another one, 305 00:15:27,520 --> 00:15:30,400 Speaker 1: but do youer always have a specific tree or like 306 00:15:30,440 --> 00:15:32,800 Speaker 1: a ridge they prefer to feed on, and that changes 307 00:15:32,880 --> 00:15:36,240 Speaker 1: year to year. Um, But just finding those places, find 308 00:15:36,520 --> 00:15:39,440 Speaker 1: the food source that they're currently using, and neither set 309 00:15:39,520 --> 00:15:42,080 Speaker 1: up in between the betting and that food source or 310 00:15:42,160 --> 00:15:44,480 Speaker 1: right on the food source. And so that's kind of 311 00:15:44,480 --> 00:15:49,080 Speaker 1: my October strategy there. They're definitely still moving in daylight, 312 00:15:49,120 --> 00:15:51,840 Speaker 1: They're definitely still out there. It's just just finding them. 313 00:15:51,880 --> 00:15:55,400 Speaker 1: So yeah, that that October Liwle thing. You know, people 314 00:15:55,440 --> 00:15:59,280 Speaker 1: get all fired up about that, and you know, I 315 00:15:59,320 --> 00:16:02,360 Speaker 1: look at that and I'm like, okay, if you're gonna 316 00:16:02,400 --> 00:16:06,360 Speaker 1: sit that, you know, soybean field edge for the first 317 00:16:06,360 --> 00:16:08,120 Speaker 1: couple of weeks of September, then the first couple of 318 00:16:08,120 --> 00:16:10,560 Speaker 1: weeks October. Yeah, you probably believe the Lola is real 319 00:16:11,040 --> 00:16:14,840 Speaker 1: because you you maybe have that burned out already. But 320 00:16:15,080 --> 00:16:18,600 Speaker 1: you know, I I realized something earlier. I guess it 321 00:16:18,640 --> 00:16:21,200 Speaker 1: was late summer. I was over in northern Wisconsin with 322 00:16:21,240 --> 00:16:24,200 Speaker 1: one of my daughters and we had set up a 323 00:16:24,200 --> 00:16:26,560 Speaker 1: couple of blinds because they're hunting over there, and then 324 00:16:26,600 --> 00:16:28,880 Speaker 1: we'd gone trout fishing and the place that I liked 325 00:16:28,920 --> 00:16:32,560 Speaker 1: the trout fish it's a it's a decent drive back 326 00:16:32,600 --> 00:16:35,040 Speaker 1: to where we stay at my buddy's cabin, but you 327 00:16:35,080 --> 00:16:37,480 Speaker 1: see so many deer, so we just love it, and 328 00:16:37,480 --> 00:16:39,160 Speaker 1: we might see a couple of bears, you know, depending 329 00:16:39,200 --> 00:16:42,840 Speaker 1: on the conditions. And we were driving back, and you know, 330 00:16:42,880 --> 00:16:44,280 Speaker 1: I always had my camera ready because I do a 331 00:16:44,320 --> 00:16:47,160 Speaker 1: lot of photography, and we saw this just doe standing 332 00:16:47,160 --> 00:16:48,840 Speaker 1: in the road. We're on a gravel road, you know, 333 00:16:49,120 --> 00:16:50,920 Speaker 1: and she was standing in the road, and so we 334 00:16:51,040 --> 00:16:52,680 Speaker 1: drove up there and I got the camera ready, rolled 335 00:16:52,680 --> 00:16:55,120 Speaker 1: down the window and she bounded down through the ditch 336 00:16:55,200 --> 00:16:56,960 Speaker 1: and got into the edge of the woods and stopped 337 00:16:57,000 --> 00:16:58,960 Speaker 1: and looked at me. And so I'm taking pictures over 338 00:16:59,240 --> 00:17:00,640 Speaker 1: and it just hit me like a ton of bricks. 339 00:17:00,680 --> 00:17:04,760 Speaker 1: And like this happens all the time. Where they're on 340 00:17:04,800 --> 00:17:06,800 Speaker 1: the open, they spook and then as soon as they 341 00:17:06,800 --> 00:17:08,720 Speaker 1: get into the cover they stop to check you out. 342 00:17:08,960 --> 00:17:10,680 Speaker 1: Bears don't do that. Usually when I have a bear, 343 00:17:10,720 --> 00:17:15,000 Speaker 1: they're just freaking gone. You're crashing. But it's such a simple, 344 00:17:15,040 --> 00:17:19,080 Speaker 1: stupid lesson. They like how they feel in the open firstance, 345 00:17:19,200 --> 00:17:21,880 Speaker 1: how they feel in the cover is real and I've 346 00:17:21,920 --> 00:17:24,840 Speaker 1: got you know, it took me like fourteen years to 347 00:17:24,880 --> 00:17:29,080 Speaker 1: come to that realization from photography, but it's true. And 348 00:17:29,080 --> 00:17:31,880 Speaker 1: then you think about this transition time like you're you're 349 00:17:31,920 --> 00:17:34,760 Speaker 1: talking about, Yeah, you you might have that white oak 350 00:17:34,800 --> 00:17:39,240 Speaker 1: playing in there, or some destination food source getting getting picked, 351 00:17:39,400 --> 00:17:41,520 Speaker 1: or you know, like that's a part of it. But 352 00:17:41,600 --> 00:17:44,200 Speaker 1: you also have the leaves fall them and you have 353 00:17:44,400 --> 00:17:46,520 Speaker 1: you know, the pressure has been hitting them. You know, 354 00:17:46,560 --> 00:17:48,960 Speaker 1: depending on what state you're in, the pressure might be 355 00:17:49,040 --> 00:17:50,720 Speaker 1: on for a month or a couple of weeks, or 356 00:17:50,760 --> 00:17:53,159 Speaker 1: you might have just dealt with opening weekend pressure. But 357 00:17:53,240 --> 00:17:57,520 Speaker 1: that changes things too, and so often it's a matter 358 00:17:57,600 --> 00:17:59,199 Speaker 1: of just kind of forgetting what you think you know 359 00:17:59,240 --> 00:18:02,959 Speaker 1: about the lull and just getting in and seeing you know, 360 00:18:03,040 --> 00:18:05,760 Speaker 1: where where did they go? Where are they moving? When 361 00:18:05,760 --> 00:18:10,200 Speaker 1: it's when it's daylight out and there's always a spot. Yeah, yeah, 362 00:18:10,280 --> 00:18:13,920 Speaker 1: there definitely is. Um. Yeah, like I said, you just 363 00:18:14,000 --> 00:18:15,879 Speaker 1: kind of have to to get in there and find it. 364 00:18:15,920 --> 00:18:19,720 Speaker 1: And that's where um and even in early October bucks 365 00:18:19,760 --> 00:18:22,199 Speaker 1: are starting to make some rubs. You can find some 366 00:18:22,240 --> 00:18:26,560 Speaker 1: fresh rubs. Um, there's there always, there's always dear scouts 367 00:18:26,560 --> 00:18:29,960 Speaker 1: to look for and uh in beds. Beds are harder 368 00:18:30,000 --> 00:18:33,560 Speaker 1: to find, um if you're kind of just scouting quickly, 369 00:18:33,600 --> 00:18:36,320 Speaker 1: but you can find some. But but yeah, just being 370 00:18:36,359 --> 00:18:39,439 Speaker 1: in there and I've you know, you're gonna spook a 371 00:18:39,440 --> 00:18:42,840 Speaker 1: few deer doing that, but like you said, they'll they'll 372 00:18:42,880 --> 00:18:45,640 Speaker 1: run all the ways and they'll stop or uh, if 373 00:18:45,640 --> 00:18:48,560 Speaker 1: I'm scouting quickly just moving through an area, it's actually 374 00:18:48,640 --> 00:18:51,680 Speaker 1: surprising how tight deer a hold because I'll spook hear 375 00:18:51,720 --> 00:18:54,240 Speaker 1: that that herbs like not that far from me and 376 00:18:54,240 --> 00:18:57,280 Speaker 1: take off going behind me like he walked past them. 377 00:18:57,280 --> 00:19:00,560 Speaker 1: And so they know what they're doing. They know how 378 00:19:00,600 --> 00:19:06,480 Speaker 1: to survive. So but yeah, nothing beats just getting in 379 00:19:06,480 --> 00:19:08,959 Speaker 1: the woods, getting in the in the cover and finding 380 00:19:08,960 --> 00:19:11,600 Speaker 1: where the deer holding out and when you usually when 381 00:19:11,600 --> 00:19:15,040 Speaker 1: you start seeing signed there will be you'll find quite 382 00:19:15,040 --> 00:19:17,720 Speaker 1: a few deer because they they tend to congregate until 383 00:19:17,760 --> 00:19:20,240 Speaker 1: they get busted out of certain areas. Like you send 384 00:19:20,320 --> 00:19:23,160 Speaker 1: team tend to find several deer in that spot. So yeah, 385 00:19:23,320 --> 00:19:26,119 Speaker 1: you'll you'll get that concentration and that that you know 386 00:19:26,160 --> 00:19:27,800 Speaker 1: what you're talking about there when you when you get 387 00:19:27,800 --> 00:19:29,879 Speaker 1: in and you have to accept the fact that you're 388 00:19:29,880 --> 00:19:33,240 Speaker 1: gonna bump some deer because you probably will. But it's 389 00:19:34,680 --> 00:19:37,000 Speaker 1: you can view it sort of either as a negative, 390 00:19:37,080 --> 00:19:40,280 Speaker 1: which it could certainly be, or a positive, like, man, 391 00:19:40,640 --> 00:19:42,080 Speaker 1: you just saw a buck get up out of his 392 00:19:42,119 --> 00:19:44,520 Speaker 1: bed and run away. There's a lot of intel there. 393 00:19:44,600 --> 00:19:47,640 Speaker 1: I mean that that that happened to us last weekend 394 00:19:48,800 --> 00:19:51,679 Speaker 1: when we went into this spot to just look at 395 00:19:51,720 --> 00:19:54,919 Speaker 1: this this kind of where this draw fed up to 396 00:19:55,000 --> 00:19:58,399 Speaker 1: some of these fields. And we walked in there, I 397 00:19:58,440 --> 00:20:00,440 Speaker 1: don't know, probably a hundred yards off the field edge 398 00:20:00,440 --> 00:20:03,560 Speaker 1: and just kind of looking around talking, not being quiet 399 00:20:03,600 --> 00:20:05,840 Speaker 1: at all. And this was on a private place, but 400 00:20:06,359 --> 00:20:11,840 Speaker 1: just like totally not being sneaky. And we were there 401 00:20:11,840 --> 00:20:15,160 Speaker 1: for probably five minutes and I walked, you know, ten 402 00:20:15,240 --> 00:20:17,840 Speaker 1: yards down this trail and looked over to my right 403 00:20:17,920 --> 00:20:19,960 Speaker 1: and a buck. It looked he looked. I didn't get 404 00:20:19,960 --> 00:20:21,080 Speaker 1: a real good look at him. It was like a 405 00:20:21,080 --> 00:20:23,480 Speaker 1: one time one twenty type of deer, A decent deer 406 00:20:24,000 --> 00:20:26,080 Speaker 1: gets up out of his bed and runs away, and 407 00:20:26,240 --> 00:20:29,119 Speaker 1: like that's son of a bitch, laid there, listened to us. 408 00:20:29,200 --> 00:20:31,760 Speaker 1: We were and we were close, and so we walk 409 00:20:31,840 --> 00:20:35,359 Speaker 1: over there and realize, you know, like where he betted was, 410 00:20:35,840 --> 00:20:37,440 Speaker 1: it was a good spot, like he had a lot 411 00:20:37,480 --> 00:20:40,600 Speaker 1: of advantages. We started looking around and it's just like 412 00:20:41,640 --> 00:20:43,400 Speaker 1: kind of hit us, like this is the thickest spot 413 00:20:43,440 --> 00:20:46,959 Speaker 1: we've been to so far, and you've got some you know, 414 00:20:47,080 --> 00:20:49,199 Speaker 1: some up and down to the terrain right there in 415 00:20:49,240 --> 00:20:53,480 Speaker 1: a little bench, and it was like just such so valuable. 416 00:20:53,520 --> 00:20:55,520 Speaker 1: And yeah, we bumped a buck out there. I don't care. 417 00:20:56,160 --> 00:20:58,159 Speaker 1: Just seeing how he used that and where he was 418 00:20:58,200 --> 00:21:00,560 Speaker 1: and how tidy held he believed in that spot, like 419 00:21:00,640 --> 00:21:05,480 Speaker 1: that's important stuff. Yeah, yeah, and they come back. It's uh, 420 00:21:05,560 --> 00:21:07,920 Speaker 1: if you don't consistently bump them out of their beds 421 00:21:07,920 --> 00:21:11,480 Speaker 1: in the same spots, like they will come back. It's like, yeah, 422 00:21:11,480 --> 00:21:13,879 Speaker 1: if something weird happens in your house, you're not I 423 00:21:13,880 --> 00:21:15,720 Speaker 1: don't know, maybe you'll sell your house, but you're probably 424 00:21:15,720 --> 00:21:17,680 Speaker 1: gonna come back to your house that's where you live. Like, 425 00:21:18,359 --> 00:21:22,359 Speaker 1: but yeah, those those tight cover spots are are great. 426 00:21:22,480 --> 00:21:26,800 Speaker 1: And like I like the open timber for the some 427 00:21:27,040 --> 00:21:30,840 Speaker 1: reason I like field edges because you can see. But 428 00:21:30,840 --> 00:21:33,440 Speaker 1: but the tighter you get into some spots, the more 429 00:21:33,480 --> 00:21:36,400 Speaker 1: often you're gonna see deer moving. And if you can 430 00:21:37,160 --> 00:21:39,080 Speaker 1: bump a deer out of its bed or just find 431 00:21:39,119 --> 00:21:42,560 Speaker 1: a bed while you're scouting and try to set up 432 00:21:42,600 --> 00:21:46,359 Speaker 1: somewhere between where you think the deer is gonna go feed, uh, 433 00:21:46,400 --> 00:21:48,720 Speaker 1: that's really good information. And it's you know, like you said, 434 00:21:48,720 --> 00:21:51,000 Speaker 1: it's even better when you actually see the deer get 435 00:21:51,040 --> 00:21:52,920 Speaker 1: up out of the bed, because then you know exactly 436 00:21:52,920 --> 00:21:55,199 Speaker 1: where the beds at and they don't always bed in 437 00:21:55,200 --> 00:21:59,000 Speaker 1: that exact spot, but somewhere within that small area. Um, 438 00:21:59,040 --> 00:22:01,680 Speaker 1: they'll come back to it. Yeah. Well, I mean, I think, 439 00:22:02,160 --> 00:22:04,159 Speaker 1: you know, kind of going back to what what you 440 00:22:04,200 --> 00:22:07,720 Speaker 1: said about finding a concentration a deer, you know, even 441 00:22:07,800 --> 00:22:10,639 Speaker 1: jumping some dose out of a spot or just getting 442 00:22:10,720 --> 00:22:13,240 Speaker 1: in where the sign starts to get real heavy, you know, 443 00:22:13,240 --> 00:22:15,560 Speaker 1: whether that's just tracks and and beat down trails or 444 00:22:15,600 --> 00:22:19,040 Speaker 1: you're talking actual buck sign. You're just you're just getting 445 00:22:19,040 --> 00:22:21,880 Speaker 1: a glimpse into a place that they either really want 446 00:22:21,920 --> 00:22:25,600 Speaker 1: to be because they're they're eating there, or they're going 447 00:22:25,640 --> 00:22:28,240 Speaker 1: to be they're going to stick around there because it's 448 00:22:28,240 --> 00:22:32,120 Speaker 1: it's offering them some kind of safety advantage. And so yeah, 449 00:22:32,160 --> 00:22:34,040 Speaker 1: you you could bumble through there and people get worried 450 00:22:34,040 --> 00:22:36,520 Speaker 1: about that. But like when you're on public land, that's 451 00:22:36,520 --> 00:22:40,000 Speaker 1: one of the benefits of hunting pressure deer is you 452 00:22:40,040 --> 00:22:41,960 Speaker 1: kind of can go a little cavalier because you're like, 453 00:22:42,000 --> 00:22:45,639 Speaker 1: well even if I, if I don't bust them, you know, 454 00:22:45,800 --> 00:22:48,439 Speaker 1: somebody else is going to probably write like some some 455 00:22:48,480 --> 00:22:51,439 Speaker 1: small game hunter, some woodcock hunter, somebody's coming through there. 456 00:22:51,440 --> 00:22:54,120 Speaker 1: They're gonna spook them anyway. These deer, you know, they're used. 457 00:22:54,160 --> 00:22:57,080 Speaker 1: It's not like it's any of its sanctuary stuff, and 458 00:22:57,160 --> 00:22:59,320 Speaker 1: so it's it's worth more to just get in there 459 00:22:59,359 --> 00:23:04,040 Speaker 1: and look around. Yeah, is And uh last year I 460 00:23:04,080 --> 00:23:08,200 Speaker 1: found a spot. Um it was a pretty tight series 461 00:23:08,240 --> 00:23:10,439 Speaker 1: of ridges and there was a little pond at the 462 00:23:10,440 --> 00:23:14,919 Speaker 1: bottom of it and just nasty, nasty, thick cover and uh, 463 00:23:15,040 --> 00:23:19,160 Speaker 1: I had actually been working my way towards it and 464 00:23:19,359 --> 00:23:23,879 Speaker 1: hunting and saw several nice bucks go into it one morning, 465 00:23:23,920 --> 00:23:25,720 Speaker 1: and so I was like, I gotta check this place out. 466 00:23:25,840 --> 00:23:28,040 Speaker 1: And so I was trying to figure out how to 467 00:23:28,760 --> 00:23:33,520 Speaker 1: how to like quietly hunt my way through it. Um 468 00:23:33,600 --> 00:23:36,159 Speaker 1: and it it took took longer that way than if 469 00:23:36,200 --> 00:23:38,520 Speaker 1: I would have just actually like got down and walked 470 00:23:38,520 --> 00:23:42,480 Speaker 1: through it and found where they were betting. Because eventually 471 00:23:42,480 --> 00:23:47,199 Speaker 1: did get on a really nice buck in that spot. Um, 472 00:23:47,240 --> 00:23:50,119 Speaker 1: and I blew the shot, but well, we'll talk about 473 00:23:50,160 --> 00:23:54,280 Speaker 1: that later. Wait, what what were you sitting on when 474 00:23:54,320 --> 00:23:55,919 Speaker 1: you were you sitting on some oaks or something when 475 00:23:55,960 --> 00:23:59,120 Speaker 1: you saw those deer heading down into that spot. So 476 00:23:59,200 --> 00:24:01,080 Speaker 1: I was there was a an oak ridge that I 477 00:24:01,080 --> 00:24:05,560 Speaker 1: was sitting on, and they actually it was three bucks 478 00:24:05,560 --> 00:24:08,959 Speaker 1: what almost really big actually went down at the bottom 479 00:24:08,960 --> 00:24:11,600 Speaker 1: of the hill. I thought they would cross the hill 480 00:24:11,640 --> 00:24:14,080 Speaker 1: about three quarters away heading into the real thick area, 481 00:24:14,160 --> 00:24:15,800 Speaker 1: but they actually were all the way down at the 482 00:24:15,840 --> 00:24:19,119 Speaker 1: bottom when they went in. Um. I don't know if 483 00:24:19,160 --> 00:24:21,879 Speaker 1: they had already smelled me or saw me and did something, 484 00:24:21,920 --> 00:24:25,919 Speaker 1: but they were definitely uh moving a moving past me 485 00:24:26,000 --> 00:24:28,359 Speaker 1: farther out of range there about sixty six five yards. 486 00:24:28,400 --> 00:24:31,280 Speaker 1: But um, I was sitting on on an oak ridge 487 00:24:31,359 --> 00:24:33,959 Speaker 1: and it was a real narrow ridge. Um so I 488 00:24:34,000 --> 00:24:37,159 Speaker 1: thought that would have funnel them down. But um so 489 00:24:37,240 --> 00:24:39,160 Speaker 1: that's why I was sitting where we're sitting. And then 490 00:24:39,200 --> 00:24:42,080 Speaker 1: when I saw what they were doing, there wasn't a 491 00:24:42,080 --> 00:24:43,800 Speaker 1: really good place to hunt them at the bottom of 492 00:24:43,840 --> 00:24:46,840 Speaker 1: this ravine because the wind's always swirling, probably why they 493 00:24:46,840 --> 00:24:48,800 Speaker 1: went through down there. They can smell everything from the 494 00:24:48,800 --> 00:24:52,440 Speaker 1: bottom and the top, and so instead of trying to 495 00:24:52,480 --> 00:24:54,280 Speaker 1: hunt them there, And that was when I went into 496 00:24:54,280 --> 00:24:58,520 Speaker 1: the more thick area and eventually found pretty much where 497 00:24:58,520 --> 00:25:01,520 Speaker 1: that buck was bedded, And there was a significant amount 498 00:25:01,760 --> 00:25:04,720 Speaker 1: of rubs and scrapes and everything in a really really 499 00:25:04,720 --> 00:25:07,399 Speaker 1: small area right where he was betted, and he had 500 00:25:07,400 --> 00:25:11,399 Speaker 1: the advantage of the pond was protecting him on one side, 501 00:25:11,840 --> 00:25:14,320 Speaker 1: and then the top of the ridge that he was 502 00:25:14,359 --> 00:25:16,240 Speaker 1: better all was fairly open, and then it got really 503 00:25:16,280 --> 00:25:18,240 Speaker 1: thick and he was right on that edge, so he 504 00:25:18,280 --> 00:25:21,239 Speaker 1: could see, see and smell anything above him, and that 505 00:25:21,280 --> 00:25:24,040 Speaker 1: pond protected him below anything because you really can't get 506 00:25:24,040 --> 00:25:26,360 Speaker 1: to him from that side. So it makes a lot 507 00:25:26,359 --> 00:25:28,800 Speaker 1: of sense as to why all of those bucks are 508 00:25:28,800 --> 00:25:44,639 Speaker 1: in that same spot. Is that a pond that it 509 00:25:44,720 --> 00:25:46,880 Speaker 1: wasn't a seasonal pond. It's a pond. It's probably there 510 00:25:46,920 --> 00:25:49,760 Speaker 1: every year. Yeah, that's probably two acre two and a 511 00:25:49,760 --> 00:25:53,240 Speaker 1: half acre pond. It's not real big, but it's there 512 00:25:53,240 --> 00:25:55,440 Speaker 1: all years. So he was not only was he water 513 00:25:55,520 --> 00:25:57,160 Speaker 1: in there, he was using probably some kind of edge 514 00:25:57,200 --> 00:26:00,200 Speaker 1: cover around that wetter stuff and then the ter aim 515 00:26:00,280 --> 00:26:02,439 Speaker 1: to bed there and he had he had lots of 516 00:26:02,440 --> 00:26:06,199 Speaker 1: advantages he did. There was no no good way to 517 00:26:06,240 --> 00:26:08,560 Speaker 1: access that because if you you just can't get to 518 00:26:08,640 --> 00:26:12,199 Speaker 1: him unless you like have a canoe and come up 519 00:26:12,280 --> 00:26:14,800 Speaker 1: out of the pond, or because if you come over 520 00:26:14,880 --> 00:26:17,040 Speaker 1: top the rids, they're gonna know what you're gonna see 521 00:26:17,040 --> 00:26:18,840 Speaker 1: you you're coming from the side, and you can't get 522 00:26:18,880 --> 00:26:20,879 Speaker 1: to it. So he was he was in that spot, 523 00:26:21,640 --> 00:26:26,240 Speaker 1: and uh yeah, both spots like that that they feel 524 00:26:26,400 --> 00:26:28,560 Speaker 1: very safe in and then they're going to return back 525 00:26:28,600 --> 00:26:31,600 Speaker 1: to several times. So it's so how did how did 526 00:26:31,640 --> 00:26:33,720 Speaker 1: you approach that then? Because Mark and I argue about 527 00:26:33,720 --> 00:26:36,520 Speaker 1: this all the time because he's he's he'll be like, 528 00:26:36,520 --> 00:26:38,359 Speaker 1: you can't hunt that bottom because the wind's gonna squirl. 529 00:26:38,480 --> 00:26:40,000 Speaker 1: I'm like, well, I don't know. I wouldn't know that 530 00:26:40,080 --> 00:26:43,160 Speaker 1: until I hunted it, Like I never I never make 531 00:26:43,240 --> 00:26:45,679 Speaker 1: that proclamation unless I get in there and blow a 532 00:26:45,680 --> 00:26:46,960 Speaker 1: bunch of yeer out and then I go, yeah, that 533 00:26:47,040 --> 00:26:50,159 Speaker 1: displace sucked. This was a bad idea. But we we 534 00:26:50,240 --> 00:26:52,720 Speaker 1: act like that's a guarantee all the time, and it's 535 00:26:52,760 --> 00:26:55,160 Speaker 1: not in in some situations. And when you're talking about 536 00:26:55,200 --> 00:26:57,880 Speaker 1: a pond that's you know, two acre or something like that, 537 00:26:58,359 --> 00:27:01,600 Speaker 1: there there maybe situation to play that where the winds 538 00:27:01,600 --> 00:27:03,399 Speaker 1: blowing out over it. Like it's not a it's not 539 00:27:03,440 --> 00:27:05,880 Speaker 1: a guarantee. People think that if I just get into 540 00:27:05,880 --> 00:27:08,359 Speaker 1: a bottom, I know what's gonna swirl and I know 541 00:27:08,400 --> 00:27:10,800 Speaker 1: I'm gonna get busted. It's not always the case, but 542 00:27:10,840 --> 00:27:12,600 Speaker 1: a lot of times it is, so like how did 543 00:27:12,640 --> 00:27:14,879 Speaker 1: you how did you know that, and how did you 544 00:27:14,920 --> 00:27:20,120 Speaker 1: react to it? Um, there's three secondary ridges that came 545 00:27:20,160 --> 00:27:23,760 Speaker 1: down off that pain ridge, and he was on the 546 00:27:23,800 --> 00:27:26,720 Speaker 1: farthest to what would have been my left if I 547 00:27:26,760 --> 00:27:29,400 Speaker 1: was facing the face and the ridge. So the first 548 00:27:29,400 --> 00:27:32,000 Speaker 1: time I hunted it, I snuck in and hunted the 549 00:27:32,560 --> 00:27:35,840 Speaker 1: first ridge and I saw some deer, but they were 550 00:27:35,840 --> 00:27:39,280 Speaker 1: all small bucks and does, and so it's like, I 551 00:27:39,359 --> 00:27:42,920 Speaker 1: know I need to get further in, but if I 552 00:27:42,920 --> 00:27:44,440 Speaker 1: tried to hunt it in the morning or the evening. 553 00:27:44,520 --> 00:27:46,200 Speaker 1: I was like, I feel like I'm just gonna bust deer, 554 00:27:46,240 --> 00:27:49,080 Speaker 1: and so the idea came to not I was using 555 00:27:49,080 --> 00:27:50,640 Speaker 1: on a tree saddle. I was like, I'm gonna get 556 00:27:50,680 --> 00:27:53,880 Speaker 1: on the ground. And my original plan was to try 557 00:27:53,920 --> 00:27:56,720 Speaker 1: and steal hunt. So I went all the way around 558 00:27:56,720 --> 00:28:01,119 Speaker 1: the pond, and there was a ditch that ran um 559 00:28:01,320 --> 00:28:03,399 Speaker 1: up the ridge is the water cut out a little creek, 560 00:28:03,920 --> 00:28:06,960 Speaker 1: and so I actually use that creek, which had really 561 00:28:07,000 --> 00:28:10,520 Speaker 1: tall creek banks at the bottom, to get about two 562 00:28:10,560 --> 00:28:12,399 Speaker 1: thirds of the way up the ridge, and then I 563 00:28:12,440 --> 00:28:15,439 Speaker 1: could see kind of where I figured he was betting, 564 00:28:16,000 --> 00:28:17,560 Speaker 1: and he either had to come down to go to 565 00:28:17,560 --> 00:28:19,399 Speaker 1: the pollen pass me or had to go up around 566 00:28:20,080 --> 00:28:22,320 Speaker 1: the ditch I was sitting in that it came to 567 00:28:22,359 --> 00:28:24,359 Speaker 1: a point, you know, about eight yards in front of me, 568 00:28:24,800 --> 00:28:27,720 Speaker 1: or like go around that. And that was my strategy 569 00:28:27,880 --> 00:28:30,040 Speaker 1: was to sit there and either like hope he came 570 00:28:30,040 --> 00:28:32,560 Speaker 1: by me. So I was actually just sitting in the 571 00:28:32,560 --> 00:28:35,760 Speaker 1: creek bed and I could just see over the lip 572 00:28:35,840 --> 00:28:39,000 Speaker 1: of the creek creek bed on the bank, so I 573 00:28:39,040 --> 00:28:42,440 Speaker 1: was pretty well hidden and my scent actually so the 574 00:28:42,440 --> 00:28:45,680 Speaker 1: wind would have been blowing. I'm trying to think of 575 00:28:45,720 --> 00:28:47,960 Speaker 1: what direction was blowing. It should have been blowing from 576 00:28:48,000 --> 00:28:50,520 Speaker 1: my back towards the actual deer. But when I was 577 00:28:50,560 --> 00:28:53,320 Speaker 1: sitting down in the creek bed, the coolest actually drew 578 00:28:53,360 --> 00:28:55,400 Speaker 1: my scent down the creek and away from him. So 579 00:28:55,440 --> 00:28:57,240 Speaker 1: it made no sense if you were in a tree 580 00:28:57,280 --> 00:28:59,600 Speaker 1: stand it had been blown right to him. But the 581 00:28:59,640 --> 00:29:02,520 Speaker 1: creek bed that I was in and the cool air 582 00:29:02,560 --> 00:29:04,720 Speaker 1: flowing down that allowed me to get that close to him, 583 00:29:04,760 --> 00:29:07,480 Speaker 1: even on what most people would consider it the wrong wind. 584 00:29:08,160 --> 00:29:13,400 Speaker 1: And uh, he came came out of there, uh, relatively 585 00:29:14,080 --> 00:29:17,400 Speaker 1: early in the day, and he was about eighty yards 586 00:29:17,600 --> 00:29:21,080 Speaker 1: and I um, I should have scouted more because I 587 00:29:21,080 --> 00:29:23,120 Speaker 1: should have been farther up the creek than I was, 588 00:29:23,400 --> 00:29:25,440 Speaker 1: because it comes to a point and there was a 589 00:29:25,480 --> 00:29:27,600 Speaker 1: heavier trail where they walk around so they don't have 590 00:29:27,640 --> 00:29:29,760 Speaker 1: to jump the creek, and I should have been really 591 00:29:29,760 --> 00:29:32,040 Speaker 1: close to that because that was right where he's headed. 592 00:29:32,160 --> 00:29:33,880 Speaker 1: And so I actually snuck up the creek and I 593 00:29:33,880 --> 00:29:36,560 Speaker 1: got within twenty five yards of him, and when I 594 00:29:36,600 --> 00:29:38,600 Speaker 1: tried to take a shot, it was a little bit 595 00:29:38,640 --> 00:29:40,640 Speaker 1: too brushy, and I thought I could get it through 596 00:29:40,680 --> 00:29:43,880 Speaker 1: and I didn't that arrow deflected. But uh, I learned. 597 00:29:44,040 --> 00:29:46,400 Speaker 1: I learned a lot on that hunt. One you can 598 00:29:46,480 --> 00:29:48,440 Speaker 1: hunt him from the ground, and I was actually able 599 00:29:48,480 --> 00:29:50,200 Speaker 1: to move up the creek. That gave me a lot 600 00:29:50,200 --> 00:29:52,840 Speaker 1: of cover and safety to to make that move without 601 00:29:52,880 --> 00:29:58,120 Speaker 1: spooking that deer. Um. But yeah, the creek bed played 602 00:29:58,240 --> 00:30:00,640 Speaker 1: a big part of that, like being able to hunt 603 00:30:00,640 --> 00:30:02,680 Speaker 1: it on a on a wrong wind and being able 604 00:30:02,720 --> 00:30:04,560 Speaker 1: to sneak in and out of there without without that 605 00:30:04,600 --> 00:30:09,200 Speaker 1: deer know when I was there. So how big was he? Will? 606 00:30:09,240 --> 00:30:11,920 Speaker 1: I will say he's he wasn't that big. There was 607 00:30:11,960 --> 00:30:16,160 Speaker 1: probably close to one sixty. I saw him twice, and uh, 608 00:30:16,400 --> 00:30:20,600 Speaker 1: I was a surprisingly big dear. For that's a piece 609 00:30:20,640 --> 00:30:22,479 Speaker 1: of property that's not that big. It gets hunted hard, 610 00:30:22,560 --> 00:30:25,640 Speaker 1: especially during rifles season, so it was kind of shocking 611 00:30:26,040 --> 00:30:28,360 Speaker 1: to see a deer that size. When he came out, 612 00:30:28,840 --> 00:30:31,280 Speaker 1: he was pretty impressive. But and you had no idea 613 00:30:31,320 --> 00:30:33,959 Speaker 1: who was in there when you started hunting there. I 614 00:30:34,000 --> 00:30:36,320 Speaker 1: assumed he was in there just because of the previous 615 00:30:36,400 --> 00:30:38,000 Speaker 1: time that I was No, no no, no, but I mean 616 00:30:38,040 --> 00:30:41,200 Speaker 1: like that season, you didn't prior to that season, No, 617 00:30:41,320 --> 00:30:45,400 Speaker 1: I had no idea, So yeah, it's this is something. 618 00:30:45,920 --> 00:30:49,760 Speaker 1: This is a weird thing to talk about because you 619 00:30:49,840 --> 00:30:52,080 Speaker 1: don't want to push the idea that there's big bucks 620 00:30:52,120 --> 00:30:53,960 Speaker 1: everywhere out on public land like which is kind of 621 00:30:53,960 --> 00:30:56,600 Speaker 1: a common thing to do right now. But man, when 622 00:30:56,600 --> 00:31:01,040 Speaker 1: you hunt public land enough, you would encounter big, big 623 00:31:01,080 --> 00:31:05,240 Speaker 1: deer like I. There's no different I actually, I mean 624 00:31:05,280 --> 00:31:07,800 Speaker 1: it's it's weighted more heavily towards public land because I 625 00:31:07,840 --> 00:31:12,360 Speaker 1: hunt that a lot more. But I see and I'm talking, 626 00:31:12,520 --> 00:31:14,719 Speaker 1: you know, I'm not talking like one. I'm talking like 627 00:31:14,760 --> 00:31:18,520 Speaker 1: you're saying, like one sixties those type of deer. I've 628 00:31:18,520 --> 00:31:21,200 Speaker 1: seen them in on public land in a bunch of 629 00:31:21,200 --> 00:31:24,320 Speaker 1: different states, where you're just like, I can't I can't 630 00:31:24,320 --> 00:31:27,720 Speaker 1: see this on my best private ground ever. And then 631 00:31:27,760 --> 00:31:29,440 Speaker 1: you get in there and you get into place like 632 00:31:29,480 --> 00:31:32,320 Speaker 1: that and you go, I know, just gets piss pounded 633 00:31:32,360 --> 00:31:34,120 Speaker 1: during the gun season. I know there's lots of bow 634 00:31:34,160 --> 00:31:36,920 Speaker 1: hunters in here, and yet a bucket that calibers living 635 00:31:36,960 --> 00:31:40,240 Speaker 1: there and gave you an opportunity to get in on 636 00:31:40,320 --> 00:31:44,040 Speaker 1: him and almost kill him. That's incredible. Yeah, Yeah, that 637 00:31:44,160 --> 00:31:46,560 Speaker 1: experience was. It was eye opening because there are there 638 00:31:46,560 --> 00:31:48,680 Speaker 1: are people that you know, I tell us story too, 639 00:31:48,680 --> 00:31:50,120 Speaker 1: and like there was no way it's won sixty and 640 00:31:50,120 --> 00:31:53,080 Speaker 1: it's like I have a really good at judging gear. 641 00:31:53,280 --> 00:31:55,560 Speaker 1: It's like and there it was legit close to one sixty. 642 00:31:55,640 --> 00:31:58,800 Speaker 1: He was he'd been up for fifties. Um, but yeah, 643 00:31:58,920 --> 00:32:02,719 Speaker 1: I would have you know, five six years ago. Uh, 644 00:32:03,120 --> 00:32:06,920 Speaker 1: if you have said you can go kill like good 645 00:32:07,040 --> 00:32:09,800 Speaker 1: quality bucks like that on public land, it's like, yeah, 646 00:32:09,920 --> 00:32:13,840 Speaker 1: maybe on occasion. H But like the last few years, 647 00:32:13,880 --> 00:32:17,080 Speaker 1: I've been able to see dore like that, just big, 648 00:32:17,360 --> 00:32:21,200 Speaker 1: mature dear and it's it's kind of exciting. And you 649 00:32:21,520 --> 00:32:23,440 Speaker 1: talk to a few other guys that are are pretty 650 00:32:23,480 --> 00:32:26,800 Speaker 1: serious about hunting public land and they said, uh, you 651 00:32:26,880 --> 00:32:28,520 Speaker 1: have talked to him for a while, because they first 652 00:32:28,520 --> 00:32:30,560 Speaker 1: won't admit to you that there's any big here on 653 00:32:30,600 --> 00:32:33,440 Speaker 1: public land. But after they kind of gauged that you're 654 00:32:33,480 --> 00:32:35,400 Speaker 1: in there, you're already in there and you are seeing here, 655 00:32:35,400 --> 00:32:38,160 Speaker 1: they'll tell your stories of like, yeah, there's some big 656 00:32:38,200 --> 00:32:40,720 Speaker 1: deer in this area where I hunted. So it's not 657 00:32:41,480 --> 00:32:44,320 Speaker 1: not uncommon that there are that caliber of here on 658 00:32:44,440 --> 00:32:46,840 Speaker 1: public land. I mean, they're they're definitely out there. They 659 00:32:46,880 --> 00:32:50,160 Speaker 1: figure out how to survive. So I was out in uh, 660 00:32:50,400 --> 00:32:55,800 Speaker 1: South Dakota hunting public land, I think it was. And 661 00:32:55,920 --> 00:32:58,320 Speaker 1: I shot a buck opening night, and I had a 662 00:32:58,360 --> 00:33:01,160 Speaker 1: buddy with me who so I did I was done. 663 00:33:01,200 --> 00:33:03,640 Speaker 1: I'm like, well, I'll just scout and work for you 664 00:33:03,720 --> 00:33:07,040 Speaker 1: and be the camp cook because you know, I'm out, 665 00:33:07,120 --> 00:33:09,680 Speaker 1: like I don't have any tags left. And so he 666 00:33:09,720 --> 00:33:12,240 Speaker 1: was hunting, and I think we hunted for five or 667 00:33:12,280 --> 00:33:16,160 Speaker 1: six days, but the farm. So I killed my buck 668 00:33:16,200 --> 00:33:19,080 Speaker 1: on a walking ranch out there, and he was hunting 669 00:33:19,080 --> 00:33:23,360 Speaker 1: other walking ranches, and so I I went into glass 670 00:33:23,440 --> 00:33:25,960 Speaker 1: that ranch in the morning a couple of days after 671 00:33:25,960 --> 00:33:28,520 Speaker 1: I killed my buck, and I saw a few deer 672 00:33:28,560 --> 00:33:31,720 Speaker 1: coming off some private fields back down into there, and 673 00:33:31,840 --> 00:33:33,280 Speaker 1: I'm kind of like, okay, I got I got one 674 00:33:33,320 --> 00:33:35,280 Speaker 1: good spot here for him that we can we can 675 00:33:35,280 --> 00:33:37,400 Speaker 1: set up on. And I actually I put him in 676 00:33:37,440 --> 00:33:39,960 Speaker 1: there and he actually almost killed like a one thirty 677 00:33:40,040 --> 00:33:42,440 Speaker 1: there the next morning, which was really cool. He's it 678 00:33:42,560 --> 00:33:43,960 Speaker 1: was like it was like one of those deals like 679 00:33:44,000 --> 00:33:45,800 Speaker 1: every time that year stopped, he couldn't get a shot. 680 00:33:46,040 --> 00:33:48,280 Speaker 1: But it was a you know, a great encounter for 681 00:33:48,320 --> 00:33:52,000 Speaker 1: public land. But after I saw those bucks and some 682 00:33:52,040 --> 00:33:54,560 Speaker 1: of those deer go through this one spot I just 683 00:33:54,600 --> 00:33:57,600 Speaker 1: went looking and there was an old homestead on that 684 00:33:57,600 --> 00:34:01,440 Speaker 1: that walking ranch visible from I guess you probably would 685 00:34:01,520 --> 00:34:03,040 Speaker 1: it's probably a county road and you wouldn't call it 686 00:34:03,080 --> 00:34:07,120 Speaker 1: a highway, but clearly visible from a pretty busy road. 687 00:34:07,640 --> 00:34:10,480 Speaker 1: But it just looked bucky, you know, Mike, and I 688 00:34:10,520 --> 00:34:12,000 Speaker 1: had nothing to lose. I'm like, I'm just gonna go 689 00:34:12,040 --> 00:34:13,360 Speaker 1: walk through there and look at it, you know, because 690 00:34:13,600 --> 00:34:16,480 Speaker 1: you almost always find sign and rubs in those kind 691 00:34:16,480 --> 00:34:19,000 Speaker 1: of places, and those little pockets are real cover because 692 00:34:19,000 --> 00:34:22,160 Speaker 1: this this ranch, like most of them that I've hunted 693 00:34:22,160 --> 00:34:24,680 Speaker 1: out there and a lot of other states, it's covered 694 00:34:24,719 --> 00:34:26,879 Speaker 1: in cattle. You know, they get rotated through the past years. 695 00:34:26,920 --> 00:34:28,719 Speaker 1: But you know, like a lot of the undergrowth is 696 00:34:28,760 --> 00:34:32,280 Speaker 1: just freaking gonzo. So you're like, where, where's anything thicker? 697 00:34:32,960 --> 00:34:35,880 Speaker 1: And I walked into that sucker, and you know, it 698 00:34:36,000 --> 00:34:38,080 Speaker 1: was it had been grazed down some, but there was 699 00:34:38,120 --> 00:34:39,920 Speaker 1: grown up grass and it was kind of cool, but 700 00:34:39,960 --> 00:34:42,440 Speaker 1: it wasn't like you know, it was it was okay. 701 00:34:42,960 --> 00:34:45,080 Speaker 1: And I'm just like standing there and I don't know 702 00:34:45,160 --> 00:34:47,160 Speaker 1: what they made when they built that farm. That farm 703 00:34:47,280 --> 00:34:49,200 Speaker 1: was old. I mean it looked like it had been 704 00:34:48,960 --> 00:34:53,160 Speaker 1: abandoned for decades, right, you know, everything's wore out and 705 00:34:53,680 --> 00:34:56,960 Speaker 1: wore down. But there was a like a ditch they 706 00:34:56,960 --> 00:34:58,840 Speaker 1: had dug out, So I don't know what they built 707 00:34:58,920 --> 00:35:00,560 Speaker 1: at one time or what if there was a tank 708 00:35:00,640 --> 00:35:03,120 Speaker 1: or something in there. But I was standing on one 709 00:35:03,160 --> 00:35:06,480 Speaker 1: side of it, just kind of like looking around, and 710 00:35:06,520 --> 00:35:08,440 Speaker 1: I just walked to where I could see down the 711 00:35:08,440 --> 00:35:10,840 Speaker 1: shoot of this little ditch, and this buck that was 712 00:35:10,880 --> 00:35:13,400 Speaker 1: like one eighties got up betted there. I mean it 713 00:35:13,440 --> 00:35:15,799 Speaker 1: was the biggest buck I've ever seen for sure in 714 00:35:15,840 --> 00:35:19,439 Speaker 1: my life, stood up twenty yards away and ran down 715 00:35:19,480 --> 00:35:21,360 Speaker 1: that shoot down into this valley. And I was like, 716 00:35:21,600 --> 00:35:25,359 Speaker 1: holely sh it because I was standing And so I 717 00:35:25,400 --> 00:35:28,320 Speaker 1: walked down there and there's like horse size beds and 718 00:35:28,440 --> 00:35:32,600 Speaker 1: this little freaking it looked like like a uh you 719 00:35:32,640 --> 00:35:35,280 Speaker 1: know the Olympic snowboarding where they go down the pipe 720 00:35:35,280 --> 00:35:38,080 Speaker 1: and they're like back and forth or skateboarding, and it's 721 00:35:38,120 --> 00:35:40,400 Speaker 1: just like it just had a little bit better grass. 722 00:35:40,880 --> 00:35:43,319 Speaker 1: And I'm like, this dear is freaking visible from or 723 00:35:43,400 --> 00:35:44,919 Speaker 1: he would he would have been if he was moving 724 00:35:45,000 --> 00:35:49,560 Speaker 1: visible from that highway there in a Legit monster just 725 00:35:49,600 --> 00:35:51,560 Speaker 1: a monster, And I'm like, this has got to be 726 00:35:51,560 --> 00:35:53,080 Speaker 1: like a one in a billion shot, and I tried 727 00:35:53,120 --> 00:35:54,759 Speaker 1: to pick that deer up again for my buddy, and 728 00:35:54,800 --> 00:35:58,000 Speaker 1: I never you know, it was over the moment I 729 00:35:58,040 --> 00:36:00,879 Speaker 1: busted him. But the next year I went back out 730 00:36:00,920 --> 00:36:07,080 Speaker 1: there and I I killed uh, like a ten point 731 00:36:07,160 --> 00:36:09,680 Speaker 1: or three days into it, and the morning I killed 732 00:36:09,719 --> 00:36:12,040 Speaker 1: my butckis I shouldn't say. The next morning, same kind 733 00:36:12,080 --> 00:36:14,520 Speaker 1: of deal. I'm driving around helping my buddies out and 734 00:36:14,560 --> 00:36:16,160 Speaker 1: I look out in the field on a walk in 735 00:36:16,280 --> 00:36:19,360 Speaker 1: ranch and there's a nine pointer standing there that's like 736 00:36:19,400 --> 00:36:22,719 Speaker 1: a one eighty, like a legit, And I'm like, these 737 00:36:22,719 --> 00:36:25,560 Speaker 1: are these are on freaking public land? You know in 738 00:36:25,600 --> 00:36:28,680 Speaker 1: salth Dakota is really good. But you can find that 739 00:36:28,719 --> 00:36:30,480 Speaker 1: And people will say, well, we don't you know, I 740 00:36:30,480 --> 00:36:32,400 Speaker 1: don't have the deer that you have in salth Daqota. 741 00:36:32,400 --> 00:36:34,680 Speaker 1: I'm like, I'll bet you whatever is a really big 742 00:36:34,680 --> 00:36:36,600 Speaker 1: deer to you, whether it's that's a one twenty or 743 00:36:36,640 --> 00:36:39,640 Speaker 1: a one forty or a one sixty in your state, 744 00:36:39,760 --> 00:36:43,439 Speaker 1: probably within five or fifty miles at your house, there's 745 00:36:43,440 --> 00:36:46,080 Speaker 1: public land with those deer on it. Oh, yeah, there 746 00:36:46,120 --> 00:36:48,600 Speaker 1: probably is. It is crazy how they will find a 747 00:36:48,640 --> 00:36:52,080 Speaker 1: spot like that, and like you said, it could be 748 00:36:52,400 --> 00:36:55,360 Speaker 1: fully visible to everybody, but a little depression or a 749 00:36:55,400 --> 00:36:58,120 Speaker 1: little tough tall grass something that they can hide in 750 00:36:58,280 --> 00:37:01,799 Speaker 1: because nobody looks there, like like you randomly thought about 751 00:37:01,840 --> 00:37:03,719 Speaker 1: it and went out there. But most of the time 752 00:37:04,160 --> 00:37:07,040 Speaker 1: people drive by that it's like, yeah, there's a cattle pasture, 753 00:37:07,080 --> 00:37:10,000 Speaker 1: We're not going to hunt that. Um. And I I 754 00:37:10,040 --> 00:37:12,880 Speaker 1: don't have a lot of open ground. Like my stuff 755 00:37:12,920 --> 00:37:17,000 Speaker 1: we hunt is like super thick timber and so um. 756 00:37:17,200 --> 00:37:20,160 Speaker 1: You kind of think dear bed everywhere, but even inside 757 00:37:20,360 --> 00:37:23,960 Speaker 1: the timber, there are much thicker areas and you know, 758 00:37:24,239 --> 00:37:27,600 Speaker 1: the old clearcuts or edges anything, and that's where you 759 00:37:27,640 --> 00:37:30,400 Speaker 1: find dear. And some of them are, like I said previously, 760 00:37:32,080 --> 00:37:34,720 Speaker 1: sixty yards off the parking lot or off a gravel 761 00:37:34,800 --> 00:37:37,160 Speaker 1: road and people just walk past them. They don't don't 762 00:37:37,160 --> 00:37:41,399 Speaker 1: really pay attention. So dear find these little pockets. Uh. 763 00:37:41,440 --> 00:37:43,759 Speaker 1: And that's how they survived, how they get to be monsters, 764 00:37:43,840 --> 00:37:46,920 Speaker 1: is they just they figure it out. Do you do 765 00:37:46,960 --> 00:37:48,960 Speaker 1: you find that? Because what you're talking about, I mean, 766 00:37:49,239 --> 00:37:52,839 Speaker 1: when you think about Missouri, it's pretty diverse state, right, 767 00:37:52,880 --> 00:37:54,960 Speaker 1: You've got you know, you get down into southern Missouri, 768 00:37:55,000 --> 00:37:58,080 Speaker 1: you've got huge tracks of timber, and throughout the state 769 00:37:58,120 --> 00:38:01,360 Speaker 1: you've got you know, egg mixed in various parts, and 770 00:38:01,400 --> 00:38:04,080 Speaker 1: it it's pretty varied. Again, it's kind of like Minnesota. 771 00:38:04,080 --> 00:38:05,799 Speaker 1: Minnesota has a lot of you might be in the 772 00:38:05,800 --> 00:38:08,600 Speaker 1: big woods in northeastern Minnesota and you'll be in prairie 773 00:38:08,600 --> 00:38:12,719 Speaker 1: in southwestern Minnesota. But what I find hunting big woods 774 00:38:12,760 --> 00:38:14,840 Speaker 1: because this this is what people ask all the time, like, well, 775 00:38:14,840 --> 00:38:16,560 Speaker 1: how do I find a concentration deer in the big woods? 776 00:38:16,560 --> 00:38:18,200 Speaker 1: How do I hunt the big woods? Because it's harder, right, Like, 777 00:38:18,239 --> 00:38:21,000 Speaker 1: there's so much more cover. And this goes for everybody 778 00:38:21,000 --> 00:38:24,200 Speaker 1: down in you know, the deep South and out the northeast. Again, 779 00:38:24,239 --> 00:38:28,200 Speaker 1: this is a common problem for deer hunters. But one 780 00:38:28,239 --> 00:38:30,279 Speaker 1: thing that I see, and I'm curious about your take 781 00:38:30,320 --> 00:38:33,279 Speaker 1: on in Missouri is when I'm on big woods deer 782 00:38:33,840 --> 00:38:37,120 Speaker 1: on public land, there's always two tracks, and there's always 783 00:38:37,160 --> 00:38:41,319 Speaker 1: logging roads or some kind of access routes. And I 784 00:38:41,440 --> 00:38:44,160 Speaker 1: really feel in the big woods, like when you've got 785 00:38:44,360 --> 00:38:48,280 Speaker 1: miles and miles of unbroken timber, those easy access spots 786 00:38:48,360 --> 00:38:54,080 Speaker 1: concentrate probably I don't know, like of the pressure, like 787 00:38:54,120 --> 00:38:56,360 Speaker 1: you can kind of just go Okay, that two track, 788 00:38:57,040 --> 00:38:58,880 Speaker 1: you know, a couple hundred yards on each side of 789 00:38:58,920 --> 00:39:02,160 Speaker 1: it's probably worthless because that's where everybody's gonna come from, 790 00:39:02,239 --> 00:39:04,680 Speaker 1: and so it does give you those chances to go, well, 791 00:39:04,719 --> 00:39:07,600 Speaker 1: the parking areas here, the main trail goes this way, 792 00:39:08,120 --> 00:39:11,479 Speaker 1: here's this steep hillside, or this this swamp or something 793 00:39:11,600 --> 00:39:14,880 Speaker 1: right next to the the access. Probably most people just 794 00:39:15,000 --> 00:39:16,799 Speaker 1: do walk right past that, do you. I mean you 795 00:39:16,880 --> 00:39:20,080 Speaker 1: must see that a lot. Yeah, and yeah, that's definitely 796 00:39:20,080 --> 00:39:23,400 Speaker 1: something I've started observing because I used to be the 797 00:39:23,440 --> 00:39:25,640 Speaker 1: guy that walked down the trails and like hung my 798 00:39:25,680 --> 00:39:27,880 Speaker 1: stand on the side of the logging road or whatever, 799 00:39:27,960 --> 00:39:30,040 Speaker 1: just because it is easier, and it's like, yeah, there's 800 00:39:30,040 --> 00:39:33,480 Speaker 1: a few deer tracks going across it. Why not try it? Um, 801 00:39:33,520 --> 00:39:38,680 Speaker 1: But yeah you can. I've actually on some areas, the 802 00:39:38,719 --> 00:39:40,279 Speaker 1: first thing I do if I'm looking at a new 803 00:39:40,320 --> 00:39:43,040 Speaker 1: spot is this highlight all the parking lots and all 804 00:39:43,040 --> 00:39:47,600 Speaker 1: the trails, because I will genuinely not scout them, because 805 00:39:48,040 --> 00:39:50,839 Speaker 1: if you're past the first few days the season, if 806 00:39:50,880 --> 00:39:53,640 Speaker 1: they're like, they're going to avoid those because it's they 807 00:39:53,719 --> 00:39:55,880 Speaker 1: know that when season starts there's more people. They just 808 00:39:55,920 --> 00:39:59,360 Speaker 1: avoid them, so um, I will generally skip those areas 809 00:39:59,520 --> 00:40:02,920 Speaker 1: and look or more so like either either you go 810 00:40:02,960 --> 00:40:04,880 Speaker 1: in deep or you don't always have to go in 811 00:40:04,920 --> 00:40:07,439 Speaker 1: super deep off the trails, but just areas that get 812 00:40:07,440 --> 00:40:11,200 Speaker 1: overlooked like we talked about. But but yeah, there's there's 813 00:40:11,239 --> 00:40:16,200 Speaker 1: definitely a difference when you're when you go to a 814 00:40:16,239 --> 00:40:18,759 Speaker 1: new spot, you can see all the people traffic on 815 00:40:18,800 --> 00:40:20,480 Speaker 1: the trails, like you can see a lot of tree 816 00:40:20,520 --> 00:40:23,680 Speaker 1: stands from the trails and everything, and deer like they're 817 00:40:23,719 --> 00:40:26,960 Speaker 1: well aware of that. So concentrating on other areas making 818 00:40:27,000 --> 00:40:28,960 Speaker 1: an effort to do that is is usually what I 819 00:40:28,960 --> 00:40:31,400 Speaker 1: try to do. But what's the closest to a parking 820 00:40:31,400 --> 00:40:36,160 Speaker 1: area you've killed a buck? Um should have killed one 821 00:40:36,440 --> 00:40:38,960 Speaker 1: a couple of years ago, and I I couldn't have 822 00:40:39,000 --> 00:40:41,520 Speaker 1: been more than probably hundred twenty yards from the parking lot. 823 00:40:41,560 --> 00:40:44,320 Speaker 1: He was the one that was betted, probably eight yards 824 00:40:44,360 --> 00:40:47,080 Speaker 1: or so from the parking lot. And uh I actually 825 00:40:47,160 --> 00:40:50,840 Speaker 1: walked down the gravel road to get around him for 826 00:40:50,920 --> 00:40:55,160 Speaker 1: when he came out, and uh, yeah I made I 827 00:40:55,280 --> 00:40:56,759 Speaker 1: was the one that hit in the liver and never 828 00:40:56,760 --> 00:41:00,279 Speaker 1: found that was actually a big deer. So how was 829 00:41:00,320 --> 00:41:03,640 Speaker 1: that one? Uh? He would have been one fifties. He 830 00:41:03,640 --> 00:41:05,400 Speaker 1: had a he had a really big frame, but he 831 00:41:05,440 --> 00:41:08,200 Speaker 1: wasn't super tall, like big massive frame. But I just 832 00:41:09,080 --> 00:41:12,040 Speaker 1: I clearly remember the size of his body, probably one 833 00:41:12,040 --> 00:41:14,200 Speaker 1: of the bigger body, dear I've ever shot at, just 834 00:41:14,719 --> 00:41:17,239 Speaker 1: just giant body gear when he came through and I 835 00:41:18,200 --> 00:41:20,960 Speaker 1: he actually uh, when I took the shot, he wheeled 836 00:41:21,000 --> 00:41:22,520 Speaker 1: towards me and so I hit him part of the 837 00:41:22,560 --> 00:41:25,200 Speaker 1: back then I wanted, and then we had three inches 838 00:41:25,200 --> 00:41:29,080 Speaker 1: of rain And I never found that dear, so he 839 00:41:29,320 --> 00:41:31,319 Speaker 1: I know he died. I just never found him. So 840 00:41:31,600 --> 00:41:34,840 Speaker 1: you never heard about anybody finding anem either, No I asked, 841 00:41:34,880 --> 00:41:39,400 Speaker 1: but about anybody would freely give that up. So yeah, 842 00:41:39,480 --> 00:41:44,400 Speaker 1: that's a that's a rough one, man, And it's it's uh, 843 00:41:45,080 --> 00:41:47,120 Speaker 1: if you deer hunt long enough, you will shoot one 844 00:41:47,160 --> 00:41:50,040 Speaker 1: and have a massive rainstorm come in before you find it. 845 00:41:50,120 --> 00:41:54,080 Speaker 1: And it is just it just changes the psychology of 846 00:41:54,200 --> 00:41:57,160 Speaker 1: the whole thing. It's it makes it it's so hard 847 00:41:57,440 --> 00:42:01,080 Speaker 1: to keep your your optimism high when that happened. Yeah, 848 00:42:01,239 --> 00:42:05,440 Speaker 1: it's it's tough, and it does, unfortunately happen. It's still 849 00:42:05,480 --> 00:42:08,000 Speaker 1: hard to get it still hard to get past. And 850 00:42:08,040 --> 00:42:10,000 Speaker 1: that uh, but it makes you take a little bit 851 00:42:10,080 --> 00:42:14,120 Speaker 1: more time and effort to make good shots when you 852 00:42:14,160 --> 00:42:18,239 Speaker 1: have them. And uh, I said last year, I also 853 00:42:18,280 --> 00:42:21,479 Speaker 1: made of probably a not of wise decision than taking 854 00:42:21,480 --> 00:42:23,759 Speaker 1: a shot. I had a little breash, but I was 855 00:42:23,800 --> 00:42:26,560 Speaker 1: convinced that I had a whole big enough but luckily 856 00:42:26,600 --> 00:42:29,959 Speaker 1: that that deer didn't get hit at all. So yeah, well, 857 00:42:30,280 --> 00:42:34,000 Speaker 1: I mean again, it's just there are just times. It's 858 00:42:34,040 --> 00:42:36,359 Speaker 1: it's dangerous times, but there are times where you get 859 00:42:36,400 --> 00:42:39,440 Speaker 1: into that I'm taking this shot moment, you know, And 860 00:42:39,440 --> 00:42:42,040 Speaker 1: like everybody talks a big game about being super discipline 861 00:42:42,040 --> 00:42:44,960 Speaker 1: and stuff, but we all make mistakes and y'all have 862 00:42:45,080 --> 00:42:47,960 Speaker 1: everybody has flaws, and it's easy to make a mistake 863 00:42:48,000 --> 00:42:50,640 Speaker 1: on a big one in the in the moment when 864 00:42:51,480 --> 00:42:53,960 Speaker 1: you know, and this is you know, I've I've talked 865 00:42:53,960 --> 00:42:56,399 Speaker 1: to my buddies about this because though I don't really 866 00:42:56,400 --> 00:43:00,120 Speaker 1: watch the hunting shows a whole lot, like just not 867 00:43:00,440 --> 00:43:01,880 Speaker 1: you know, we don't have we don't have cable. It's 868 00:43:01,920 --> 00:43:04,120 Speaker 1: not my jam, but and my buddies will be like, man, 869 00:43:04,160 --> 00:43:07,080 Speaker 1: I watched this twelve year old kid on this farm, 870 00:43:07,120 --> 00:43:10,320 Speaker 1: you know, just laser this one seven deer or whatever. 871 00:43:10,360 --> 00:43:12,200 Speaker 1: And it's like I can't keep it together on a 872 00:43:12,320 --> 00:43:14,799 Speaker 1: hundred inches And I was like, well, yeah, they don't 873 00:43:14,840 --> 00:43:17,680 Speaker 1: probably know any different. You know, those kids probably think 874 00:43:17,719 --> 00:43:19,400 Speaker 1: if this one doesn't, if I don't shoot this, when 875 00:43:19,400 --> 00:43:21,719 Speaker 1: the next one's coming down the trail, like you know, 876 00:43:22,080 --> 00:43:26,719 Speaker 1: when you when you're on certain properties, that's like absolutely 877 00:43:26,760 --> 00:43:29,040 Speaker 1: the case. And if you work your ass off there 878 00:43:29,040 --> 00:43:31,600 Speaker 1: out there in public private, I don't care. And you 879 00:43:31,680 --> 00:43:33,839 Speaker 1: know this is a once a season or a once 880 00:43:33,880 --> 00:43:37,400 Speaker 1: every five seasons, dear. Keeping your ship together is tough, 881 00:43:37,920 --> 00:43:42,279 Speaker 1: and it's it's really easy to you know, just just 882 00:43:42,400 --> 00:43:45,000 Speaker 1: not fully factor in the angle or fully factor in 883 00:43:45,040 --> 00:43:48,279 Speaker 1: those little obstructions in the way or something like that 884 00:43:48,440 --> 00:43:52,439 Speaker 1: and screw it up and it just happens. Yeah, yeah, 885 00:43:52,480 --> 00:43:57,239 Speaker 1: and unfortunately does yeah, And like yeah, I'll never I'll 886 00:43:57,239 --> 00:44:02,000 Speaker 1: probably never master that ability to main columnist situation. There 887 00:44:02,000 --> 00:44:03,920 Speaker 1: are guys that can do it, even you know, in 888 00:44:05,120 --> 00:44:08,759 Speaker 1: huge deer and stuff and even h like public land 889 00:44:08,800 --> 00:44:12,160 Speaker 1: and stuff, and they somehow have nerves of Steelaw I'm 890 00:44:12,200 --> 00:44:15,080 Speaker 1: not that guy. But uh I thought I kept it 891 00:44:15,120 --> 00:44:18,480 Speaker 1: relatively calm. I just didn't. My sites were clear, my 892 00:44:18,680 --> 00:44:21,439 Speaker 1: arrow was not. Like after I replayed it, and looked 893 00:44:21,440 --> 00:44:23,279 Speaker 1: where he was Like if I would have looked down 894 00:44:23,320 --> 00:44:25,959 Speaker 1: in front of my arrow, there was a branch and 895 00:44:25,960 --> 00:44:29,880 Speaker 1: it deflected it. But yeah, stuff you think about after 896 00:44:30,000 --> 00:44:33,400 Speaker 1: things happen, that's how that's how you get better. And yeah, 897 00:44:33,480 --> 00:44:35,799 Speaker 1: I know people who claim to have ice in their 898 00:44:35,880 --> 00:44:40,000 Speaker 1: veins and you know, don't screw up those shots very 899 00:44:40,040 --> 00:44:42,360 Speaker 1: often and don't get buck fever and all that stuff. 900 00:44:42,400 --> 00:44:46,719 Speaker 1: I'm like, I'm not buying this ship. I can't believe 901 00:44:46,719 --> 00:44:48,600 Speaker 1: it to be actually hot with him. Well, I mean, 902 00:44:49,200 --> 00:44:51,560 Speaker 1: I know I've talked about this a billion times and 903 00:44:52,040 --> 00:44:54,120 Speaker 1: when I was when I was younger, for a lot 904 00:44:54,160 --> 00:44:57,560 Speaker 1: of my deer hunting career, I would fall Apart from 905 00:44:57,560 --> 00:45:00,800 Speaker 1: buck fever, I have missed a time. You cannot screw 906 00:45:00,920 --> 00:45:04,400 Speaker 1: up more than I have. Like, trust me, if you 907 00:45:04,440 --> 00:45:06,239 Speaker 1: can screw it up, I've been there and I've done that, 908 00:45:06,560 --> 00:45:10,200 Speaker 1: and it took me a long time to get that 909 00:45:10,760 --> 00:45:15,600 Speaker 1: somewhat under control. And now I feel like, you know, 910 00:45:16,320 --> 00:45:17,640 Speaker 1: it took me a lot of different things. I had 911 00:45:17,640 --> 00:45:19,120 Speaker 1: to go to the single pin site, I had to 912 00:45:19,160 --> 00:45:22,959 Speaker 1: shoot a lot. I had to really go listen, dude, 913 00:45:23,000 --> 00:45:26,839 Speaker 1: do not draw your bowl unless you're like I'm killing this, dear, 914 00:45:27,239 --> 00:45:30,239 Speaker 1: and I still make mistakes like it happens, believe me. 915 00:45:30,520 --> 00:45:34,200 Speaker 1: But even then, you know, like I still know, like 916 00:45:34,239 --> 00:45:36,880 Speaker 1: I feel that old buck fever creeping in, like it 917 00:45:36,920 --> 00:45:40,400 Speaker 1: takes a lot. And I mean, when you're talking, I 918 00:45:40,400 --> 00:45:41,920 Speaker 1: don't know, I don't know how many big game animals 919 00:45:41,920 --> 00:45:43,880 Speaker 1: I've killed with a bowl, well over a hundred at 920 00:45:43,880 --> 00:45:46,879 Speaker 1: this point, Like I still fall apart. And I hear 921 00:45:46,920 --> 00:45:49,360 Speaker 1: people who are like, oh, you know, I've I've killed 922 00:45:49,400 --> 00:45:51,319 Speaker 1: five bucks and it's never happened to me. I'm like, 923 00:45:52,000 --> 00:45:54,920 Speaker 1: maybe maybe maybe you're just a psychopath. I don't know 924 00:45:55,040 --> 00:45:57,359 Speaker 1: they've killed by, but they probably missed a lot more 925 00:45:57,360 --> 00:46:00,720 Speaker 1: they don't tell about. Well, that's what I wonder too, 926 00:46:00,880 --> 00:46:05,360 Speaker 1: is I've seen and I don't want I don't know 927 00:46:05,400 --> 00:46:07,440 Speaker 1: almost shouldn't even say this, but I've seen in the 928 00:46:07,480 --> 00:46:12,279 Speaker 1: hunting industry where people will hide their misses and they 929 00:46:12,280 --> 00:46:14,480 Speaker 1: will just hide, you know, like on TV shows and 930 00:46:14,520 --> 00:46:17,440 Speaker 1: stuff like or you know, hide the hits and losses. 931 00:46:18,280 --> 00:46:22,880 Speaker 1: And so I think we always kind of try to 932 00:46:22,920 --> 00:46:26,760 Speaker 1: portray ourselves as these badass killers, right, and it sucks 933 00:46:26,800 --> 00:46:28,400 Speaker 1: to go out there and be like I totally screwed 934 00:46:28,440 --> 00:46:31,440 Speaker 1: the pooch on this one. I am bad at this. 935 00:46:31,680 --> 00:46:33,760 Speaker 1: I was very bad at this last night. I shouldn't 936 00:46:33,760 --> 00:46:35,239 Speaker 1: have been out there. I should have taken this shot. 937 00:46:35,239 --> 00:46:37,839 Speaker 1: It's very it's hard to do that, and so you 938 00:46:37,880 --> 00:46:41,360 Speaker 1: see people portraying this image like I just get it 939 00:46:41,400 --> 00:46:43,359 Speaker 1: done out there, and it's like, Okay, did you tell 940 00:46:43,440 --> 00:46:45,440 Speaker 1: us about all the shots you took last year? Like 941 00:46:45,480 --> 00:46:47,880 Speaker 1: did you have you are you telling us about you know, 942 00:46:47,960 --> 00:46:49,840 Speaker 1: the good and the bad, the ugly or whatever, like 943 00:46:50,160 --> 00:46:53,200 Speaker 1: you don't know, like all you know about them is 944 00:46:53,239 --> 00:46:57,360 Speaker 1: what they sold you. And maybe it's yeah, yeah, maybe 945 00:46:57,360 --> 00:47:00,640 Speaker 1: there are those ice vein killers. I'm telling you the 946 00:47:01,160 --> 00:47:04,319 Speaker 1: full story. Yeah, yeah, you know. I mean I think 947 00:47:04,360 --> 00:47:08,799 Speaker 1: there's there. I think there's real benefit in those situations, 948 00:47:08,840 --> 00:47:10,480 Speaker 1: Like it sucks to hit a big one in the 949 00:47:10,520 --> 00:47:12,960 Speaker 1: liver around public land and lose it. That's a horrible thing. 950 00:47:13,480 --> 00:47:15,919 Speaker 1: But you'll be looking at that forecast for the rest 951 00:47:15,920 --> 00:47:18,440 Speaker 1: of your life going like, is this the shot I 952 00:47:18,480 --> 00:47:20,880 Speaker 1: should take? There's a freaking front blowing in here tonight, 953 00:47:20,960 --> 00:47:23,000 Speaker 1: Like do I want to do this or not? Like 954 00:47:23,040 --> 00:47:26,000 Speaker 1: that that stuff changes you as a hunter, Yeah, it 955 00:47:26,080 --> 00:47:28,640 Speaker 1: definitely did. And now now that's do you pay a 956 00:47:28,680 --> 00:47:30,839 Speaker 1: lot more at tension to that if if it's gonna rain, 957 00:47:31,239 --> 00:47:33,840 Speaker 1: if it's a questionable shot, I'm like, I'm not going 958 00:47:33,920 --> 00:47:36,360 Speaker 1: to do that to myself again, just because it's it 959 00:47:36,520 --> 00:47:39,399 Speaker 1: sucks when it happens. And so last year it wasn't 960 00:47:39,400 --> 00:47:40,919 Speaker 1: on Bucks. There was a couple of times I could 961 00:47:40,920 --> 00:47:43,600 Speaker 1: have shot Dose and it's like it's brinkling right now, 962 00:47:43,760 --> 00:47:47,400 Speaker 1: it's like there's more rain coming. U it's not worth 963 00:47:47,480 --> 00:47:50,800 Speaker 1: taking that risk on unless it's an absolutely like perfect 964 00:47:50,840 --> 00:47:54,280 Speaker 1: shot opportunity and so and I have the it's actually 965 00:47:54,280 --> 00:47:58,239 Speaker 1: worse on does if if there's a no end range um, 966 00:47:58,280 --> 00:48:03,520 Speaker 1: it's really pretty hard not to shoot shoot Dose, like 967 00:48:03,560 --> 00:48:06,319 Speaker 1: small Bucks and stuff, even nice Bucks. If i'm I 968 00:48:06,320 --> 00:48:07,759 Speaker 1: know I'm not gonna shoot it, I'm like, I'm good, 969 00:48:07,760 --> 00:48:09,600 Speaker 1: I'm not gonna shoot that. But if a doe stands there, 970 00:48:09,600 --> 00:48:12,000 Speaker 1: it's like I don't know if something happens where my 971 00:48:12,000 --> 00:48:13,480 Speaker 1: bow ends up in my hand and I'm like, how 972 00:48:13,520 --> 00:48:16,600 Speaker 1: did I get there? But I definitely hap an opening 973 00:48:16,640 --> 00:48:19,120 Speaker 1: day last year, I went out told my wife, I 974 00:48:19,160 --> 00:48:22,040 Speaker 1: was like, I'm not shooting the dough because in this spot, 975 00:48:22,600 --> 00:48:24,160 Speaker 1: it's a pain to get to, it's pain to get 976 00:48:24,160 --> 00:48:25,839 Speaker 1: out of. There is a chance that there's a big 977 00:48:25,880 --> 00:48:31,400 Speaker 1: buck there. Um had a dough walked out and like, literally, 978 00:48:31,440 --> 00:48:33,799 Speaker 1: I don't know if it's my unconscious mind. I was 979 00:48:34,320 --> 00:48:36,960 Speaker 1: released the arrow and as an arrow left, I was like, 980 00:48:37,480 --> 00:48:39,279 Speaker 1: I thought I was supposed to shoot dose and like 981 00:48:40,239 --> 00:48:42,279 Speaker 1: I've made a good shot on that one. So it 982 00:48:42,360 --> 00:48:45,879 Speaker 1: went down right there. But yeah, you know what that is. 983 00:48:46,239 --> 00:48:48,239 Speaker 1: It's it's easy to talk a big game when you're 984 00:48:48,280 --> 00:48:51,920 Speaker 1: not in the moment. I mean, it's the same thing 985 00:48:52,080 --> 00:48:55,479 Speaker 1: I I've seen these people who are you know, they'll 986 00:48:55,480 --> 00:48:58,040 Speaker 1: be like, oh, I had this little you know, this 987 00:48:58,160 --> 00:49:01,279 Speaker 1: little dw inch or that I I go, and then 988 00:49:01,320 --> 00:49:03,040 Speaker 1: you start getting the whole story. It's like, yeah, he 989 00:49:03,080 --> 00:49:04,920 Speaker 1: was fifty three yards away in the brush and all 990 00:49:04,920 --> 00:49:06,520 Speaker 1: you could see was the tips of his antlers. I'm like, 991 00:49:06,520 --> 00:49:09,439 Speaker 1: he didn't pass anything like that. Dear's at twenty yards. 992 00:49:09,440 --> 00:49:12,480 Speaker 1: You're killing it every time. And I do the same thing. 993 00:49:12,480 --> 00:49:17,840 Speaker 1: There's I try with does I like shooting does? I 994 00:49:17,920 --> 00:49:20,520 Speaker 1: love eating does? And so I'm kind of like you like, man, 995 00:49:20,560 --> 00:49:22,520 Speaker 1: I'm there are a lot of times I'm picking up 996 00:49:22,560 --> 00:49:26,080 Speaker 1: my bow, but I try to try to stick to 997 00:49:26,120 --> 00:49:28,800 Speaker 1: that where if I'm like I'm deep in this spot 998 00:49:28,880 --> 00:49:31,760 Speaker 1: and it's an evening hunt, like it's it's bucks only, 999 00:49:32,400 --> 00:49:34,040 Speaker 1: and you know, if I hunt tomorrow morning and a 1000 00:49:34,120 --> 00:49:37,360 Speaker 1: dough comes in. But I know, like, no matter how 1001 00:49:37,440 --> 00:49:40,040 Speaker 1: much I rationalized that stuff in my head, if she 1002 00:49:40,120 --> 00:49:42,600 Speaker 1: walks into fifteen yards and her heads down, she's quartered 1003 00:49:42,600 --> 00:49:45,640 Speaker 1: slightly away, like you better zip tie my bowstring to 1004 00:49:45,680 --> 00:49:49,239 Speaker 1: my cables because at suckers coming back. We'll cross that 1005 00:49:49,320 --> 00:49:53,239 Speaker 1: bridge later like I'm shooting. Yeah, that's that's where I fall. 1006 00:49:53,400 --> 00:49:55,480 Speaker 1: I don't make promises anymore else, like I'm just gonna 1007 00:49:55,520 --> 00:50:00,160 Speaker 1: go ahead and whatever happens happens. You know, you you 1008 00:50:00,160 --> 00:50:03,440 Speaker 1: know this is a is a married fella and a 1009 00:50:03,480 --> 00:50:06,239 Speaker 1: father of little kids. It's almost the same thing when 1010 00:50:06,280 --> 00:50:10,000 Speaker 1: it's like Monday and you've got Thursday night free and 1011 00:50:10,040 --> 00:50:12,720 Speaker 1: you tell your wife like I'm not I'm not hunting Thursday. 1012 00:50:12,760 --> 00:50:15,319 Speaker 1: I got too much stuff to do. You know, I'm 1013 00:50:15,360 --> 00:50:18,800 Speaker 1: gonna clean the garage and imnic and you know, do whatever. 1014 00:50:19,320 --> 00:50:22,279 Speaker 1: And then it's Thursday morning and it's like the son 1015 00:50:22,320 --> 00:50:24,479 Speaker 1: of a bit, like how do I tell her? Because 1016 00:50:24,520 --> 00:50:28,200 Speaker 1: I'm gonna go I'm believing. Yeah, yeah, you know how 1017 00:50:28,200 --> 00:50:31,680 Speaker 1: I told you it wasn't Yeah that happens. Yeah, my 1018 00:50:31,800 --> 00:50:37,960 Speaker 1: wife is as learned kind of graciously accept that that. 1019 00:50:38,160 --> 00:50:43,560 Speaker 1: Sometimes I you know, like cold frunt comes in. I'm like, uh, 1020 00:50:43,640 --> 00:50:45,439 Speaker 1: it's time for me to go ahead. I do try 1021 00:50:45,440 --> 00:50:47,920 Speaker 1: to have a date night with my wife weekly, so 1022 00:50:48,000 --> 00:50:49,880 Speaker 1: that helps a little bit. You can have a date 1023 00:50:50,000 --> 00:50:54,080 Speaker 1: night after dark though. That's right, our date night can 1024 00:50:54,120 --> 00:50:56,560 Speaker 1: consist of helping me drag dear out too. I guess 1025 00:50:56,960 --> 00:51:00,279 Speaker 1: she doesn't appreciate that was quite as much now, U. 1026 00:51:00,480 --> 00:51:04,839 Speaker 1: That's and that's understandable. So speaking of uh screwing up 1027 00:51:04,880 --> 00:51:10,240 Speaker 1: shots and just blowing amazing opportunities that deer, you said 1028 00:51:10,360 --> 00:51:13,680 Speaker 1: sometime in the last year that hunting with a compound 1029 00:51:13,760 --> 00:51:17,160 Speaker 1: was just too goddamn easy, the deer too easy to kill, 1030 00:51:17,480 --> 00:51:19,239 Speaker 1: and you decided you're gonna hunt with a long boat. 1031 00:51:19,280 --> 00:51:23,920 Speaker 1: Where did that come from? Uh? I have always wanted 1032 00:51:25,000 --> 00:51:28,879 Speaker 1: uh to hunt with a longboat to both freaker, I've 1033 00:51:28,920 --> 00:51:33,000 Speaker 1: just never invested the time in it, and it it's 1034 00:51:33,360 --> 00:51:35,360 Speaker 1: much easier just to pick up the compound boat and 1035 00:51:35,400 --> 00:51:41,320 Speaker 1: go out. Um. But actually this this year, uh medical reasoning, 1036 00:51:41,480 --> 00:51:43,799 Speaker 1: I guess I would say, so my diet has changed 1037 00:51:43,840 --> 00:51:47,120 Speaker 1: significantly and I cannot eat as much red meat anymore, 1038 00:51:47,560 --> 00:51:51,800 Speaker 1: which is kind of terrible. But anyway, so that actually 1039 00:51:52,200 --> 00:51:54,239 Speaker 1: kind of changed my mentality this year where I was like, 1040 00:51:54,520 --> 00:51:58,919 Speaker 1: I don't need to feel the freezer like I did. Um, 1041 00:51:59,040 --> 00:52:00,759 Speaker 1: and so I was like, it seems like a good 1042 00:52:00,760 --> 00:52:03,160 Speaker 1: time at least try the long bow, because if there's 1043 00:52:03,719 --> 00:52:05,719 Speaker 1: a guaranteed, really good way to not to put a 1044 00:52:05,719 --> 00:52:07,319 Speaker 1: lot of deer in the freezer, it's to take a 1045 00:52:07,320 --> 00:52:12,359 Speaker 1: long bow. Unless you've been we're not talking uh Alpha Gael, 1046 00:52:12,440 --> 00:52:17,239 Speaker 1: are we from the ticks? No? I actually was was 1047 00:52:17,280 --> 00:52:20,960 Speaker 1: diagnosed with stage for kidney disease uh and may and 1048 00:52:21,040 --> 00:52:25,160 Speaker 1: so they've significantly changed my diet to try to prolong 1049 00:52:25,239 --> 00:52:27,600 Speaker 1: what used to have left in my kidney. So oh man, 1050 00:52:28,360 --> 00:52:32,200 Speaker 1: it's uh yeah, it's interesting. I'll have to have a 1051 00:52:32,200 --> 00:52:34,480 Speaker 1: transplant and then I can go back to eat kind 1052 00:52:34,480 --> 00:52:37,520 Speaker 1: of eating a little bit for a regular diet again. 1053 00:52:37,600 --> 00:52:41,080 Speaker 1: But they're gonna be a phase here where so I 1054 00:52:41,160 --> 00:52:43,440 Speaker 1: was like, let's let's try out this long bow thing. 1055 00:52:43,600 --> 00:52:46,880 Speaker 1: Give a shot that. So I did not see that coming, Buddy, 1056 00:52:48,320 --> 00:52:51,640 Speaker 1: you might have the best reason if anyone in the 1057 00:52:51,640 --> 00:52:56,800 Speaker 1: world to pick up a traditional bone. Now. Yeah, yeah, 1058 00:52:57,000 --> 00:53:00,600 Speaker 1: it'll definitely be Uh. I've been practiced a lot. I've 1059 00:53:00,640 --> 00:53:03,359 Speaker 1: been shooting, working on form and stuff. But if they're 1060 00:53:03,360 --> 00:53:07,319 Speaker 1: not under fifteen yards, there's a they get a free 1061 00:53:07,320 --> 00:53:10,000 Speaker 1: pass because I I can. I can hit targets out 1062 00:53:10,000 --> 00:53:14,040 Speaker 1: to twenty, but in like in the moment, when you 1063 00:53:14,080 --> 00:53:16,400 Speaker 1: get in those moments, I mean I can't. I can't 1064 00:53:16,440 --> 00:53:19,240 Speaker 1: make myself take a shot over twenty because it's it'll 1065 00:53:19,239 --> 00:53:22,719 Speaker 1: be way too risky for having some pretty wounded deer. 1066 00:53:22,800 --> 00:53:29,000 Speaker 1: So there, I think it's definitely doable. Uh, last year, 1067 00:53:29,040 --> 00:53:31,160 Speaker 1: I mean two of the year I shot last year 1068 00:53:31,239 --> 00:53:33,040 Speaker 1: or under fifteen yards, So I was like, there's there's 1069 00:53:33,040 --> 00:53:36,360 Speaker 1: a chair that could actually happen. But it definitely added 1070 00:53:36,400 --> 00:53:38,640 Speaker 1: another layer of challenge. So do you do you do 1071 00:53:38,680 --> 00:53:40,480 Speaker 1: you have any history of hunting with the tread bow? 1072 00:53:40,520 --> 00:53:42,000 Speaker 1: Did you did you grow up with one at all? 1073 00:53:42,080 --> 00:53:45,880 Speaker 1: Or did you both fish with one or anything? No? Uh, 1074 00:53:46,200 --> 00:53:49,440 Speaker 1: actually both fish was an old compound. I shoot it instinctively, 1075 00:53:49,520 --> 00:53:53,440 Speaker 1: but um it's still compound. So just always the desire. 1076 00:53:53,520 --> 00:53:56,920 Speaker 1: I've always there's always been some kind of recurve or 1077 00:53:57,040 --> 00:53:59,320 Speaker 1: longbow in my house probably for the last fifteen years. 1078 00:53:59,640 --> 00:54:04,640 Speaker 1: I just never spent the time actually investing in practicing 1079 00:54:04,680 --> 00:54:07,359 Speaker 1: with it and kind of working on more of a 1080 00:54:07,360 --> 00:54:11,040 Speaker 1: form thing than even more so than a compound, Like 1081 00:54:11,160 --> 00:54:15,200 Speaker 1: you have to have your formed out and then um yeah, 1082 00:54:15,320 --> 00:54:17,680 Speaker 1: and you start working on actually being able to hit 1083 00:54:17,719 --> 00:54:22,520 Speaker 1: what you're aiming at. So, yeah, it's a whenever I 1084 00:54:22,560 --> 00:54:26,560 Speaker 1: feel I've I've hunted with recurves, I've killed a few 1085 00:54:26,560 --> 00:54:30,160 Speaker 1: deer with re curves over the years, And whenever i 1086 00:54:30,200 --> 00:54:33,200 Speaker 1: feel like I'm getting a little wonky with a compound 1087 00:54:33,400 --> 00:54:35,080 Speaker 1: and you know, like there might be some target panic 1088 00:54:35,120 --> 00:54:37,759 Speaker 1: issues or something, I just go shoot a recurve for 1089 00:54:37,800 --> 00:54:40,560 Speaker 1: a week. And I mean, this sounds like a joke, 1090 00:54:40,600 --> 00:54:43,919 Speaker 1: but it's not. When you when you spend some time 1091 00:54:43,960 --> 00:54:47,319 Speaker 1: shooting instinctively with a traditional bow and then you go 1092 00:54:47,360 --> 00:54:49,120 Speaker 1: back to that compound, it feels like you picked up 1093 00:54:49,120 --> 00:54:51,839 Speaker 1: a high power rifle. I mean, they are different things. 1094 00:54:52,000 --> 00:54:53,760 Speaker 1: It's the same thing. Like my little girls are shooting 1095 00:54:53,760 --> 00:54:58,240 Speaker 1: a cross bow and that is like such a step 1096 00:54:58,320 --> 00:55:00,239 Speaker 1: up from a compound. You know, people who are they're 1097 00:55:00,239 --> 00:55:02,080 Speaker 1: saying that that's the same thing as a compound, they're 1098 00:55:02,400 --> 00:55:05,600 Speaker 1: off the rocker. Yeah, definitely not. But no, it's not. 1099 00:55:05,640 --> 00:55:10,359 Speaker 1: I mean, just as a pure uh example of that, 1100 00:55:10,480 --> 00:55:13,000 Speaker 1: my nine year olds couldn't hit a freaking elephant with 1101 00:55:13,040 --> 00:55:16,120 Speaker 1: a vertical bowl and they can sit there and they 1102 00:55:16,160 --> 00:55:19,560 Speaker 1: can laser a target with a cross bowl. Is they're 1103 00:55:19,560 --> 00:55:24,800 Speaker 1: they're different things. Uh, but that that reality of shooting 1104 00:55:24,800 --> 00:55:28,160 Speaker 1: a traditional bowl just teaches you that like you are 1105 00:55:29,040 --> 00:55:30,640 Speaker 1: you know, people are gonna listen to this to go, man, 1106 00:55:30,640 --> 00:55:33,400 Speaker 1: he's only gonna shoot fifteen yards, like you know, like 1107 00:55:33,440 --> 00:55:35,839 Speaker 1: that's your effective range, Like there's not a there's not 1108 00:55:35,880 --> 00:55:37,400 Speaker 1: like just hold the pin a little high. If he 1109 00:55:37,400 --> 00:55:41,600 Speaker 1: comes out at fifth year, it's just like responsibly that 1110 00:55:41,800 --> 00:55:46,120 Speaker 1: is a tight quarters deal. Mhmm. Yeah, and it it 1111 00:55:46,160 --> 00:55:50,440 Speaker 1: will make me uh an even better hunter coming out 1112 00:55:50,440 --> 00:55:52,239 Speaker 1: of this. Like I don't know if I'll stick to 1113 00:55:52,320 --> 00:55:54,520 Speaker 1: the to the long goo after I can return to 1114 00:55:54,560 --> 00:55:58,719 Speaker 1: a normal diet or not. But um, there's something really 1115 00:55:58,760 --> 00:56:01,080 Speaker 1: cool about that challenge. It's like I literally have to 1116 00:56:01,120 --> 00:56:04,799 Speaker 1: be within fifteen yards of a deer, and uh, I 1117 00:56:04,800 --> 00:56:08,080 Speaker 1: think just the general experience, even if I don't get 1118 00:56:08,080 --> 00:56:10,239 Speaker 1: to kill something, like it's like last year, I didn't 1119 00:56:10,320 --> 00:56:12,600 Speaker 1: kill that buck, I'm missed him, but being that close 1120 00:56:12,600 --> 00:56:15,080 Speaker 1: to the deer that caliber in publicly and just that experience, 1121 00:56:15,080 --> 00:56:18,840 Speaker 1: it's like that's that's well worth the price of admission. 1122 00:56:18,920 --> 00:56:22,400 Speaker 1: So um, and that's kind of my attitude going into this. 1123 00:56:22,560 --> 00:56:26,319 Speaker 1: I'm not fully expecting to lay down a bunch of deer, 1124 00:56:26,360 --> 00:56:28,279 Speaker 1: but it's like just being able to still be able 1125 00:56:28,320 --> 00:56:32,080 Speaker 1: to hunt and uh trying that much harder to get 1126 00:56:32,120 --> 00:56:36,080 Speaker 1: within that fifteen yard range of deer, and um, that's 1127 00:56:36,120 --> 00:56:38,480 Speaker 1: gonna be It'll be a lot of fun. So do 1128 00:56:38,480 --> 00:56:44,040 Speaker 1: do you envision uh, this this new reality for you? 1129 00:56:44,120 --> 00:56:48,480 Speaker 1: Do you envision a change in hunting styles and methods? 1130 00:56:48,480 --> 00:56:50,680 Speaker 1: Because I know when I when I hunted with a 1131 00:56:51,160 --> 00:56:53,319 Speaker 1: with a re curve and which is not as long 1132 00:56:53,320 --> 00:56:56,319 Speaker 1: as a long bow. Obviously, the thing that hit home 1133 00:56:56,320 --> 00:56:59,680 Speaker 1: with me was my stand My options from shooting from 1134 00:56:59,680 --> 00:57:02,440 Speaker 1: a stand end were so much more limited. You not 1135 00:57:02,440 --> 00:57:05,440 Speaker 1: not just not just distance, of course, but like you know, 1136 00:57:05,480 --> 00:57:07,800 Speaker 1: with a compound you turn around shooting behind you with 1137 00:57:08,640 --> 00:57:12,919 Speaker 1: a treadbo you freaking don't. And so it actually made me. 1138 00:57:13,040 --> 00:57:16,960 Speaker 1: I still hunted more and I did different It kind 1139 00:57:16,960 --> 00:57:19,040 Speaker 1: of changed how I approached things. I did different things 1140 00:57:19,040 --> 00:57:20,600 Speaker 1: like sitting on the ground. You do you envision that 1141 00:57:20,640 --> 00:57:23,400 Speaker 1: for yourself? Oh? Yeah, yeah, I've thought about that a lot. 1142 00:57:23,440 --> 00:57:25,959 Speaker 1: So I've I've been the last couple of years haunting 1143 00:57:25,960 --> 00:57:28,480 Speaker 1: out of saddle. I need to practice. Let's see if 1144 00:57:28,480 --> 00:57:31,440 Speaker 1: I can actually shoot along that of a saddle. Um. 1145 00:57:31,480 --> 00:57:34,560 Speaker 1: So I feel like I'll be hunting from the ground 1146 00:57:34,560 --> 00:57:38,880 Speaker 1: more this year, trying to I'm really terrible. It's still hunting, 1147 00:57:39,000 --> 00:57:41,000 Speaker 1: So this might be a year where I learned to 1148 00:57:41,040 --> 00:57:44,560 Speaker 1: practice on that. I'm I'm patient, weirdly patient enough to 1149 00:57:44,600 --> 00:57:47,200 Speaker 1: sit in the stand all day, but when you put 1150 00:57:47,200 --> 00:57:50,560 Speaker 1: me on the ground like that slow movement is like 1151 00:57:50,600 --> 00:57:52,280 Speaker 1: I can do it for about twenty minutes and then 1152 00:57:52,320 --> 00:57:55,120 Speaker 1: I'm just like I'm gonna start walking fast again or 1153 00:57:55,160 --> 00:57:58,720 Speaker 1: something like. I'm so learning how to be patient with 1154 00:57:58,760 --> 00:58:02,080 Speaker 1: the steel hunting. Uh. I am going to try it 1155 00:58:02,160 --> 00:58:05,200 Speaker 1: at some point, but a lot of just honey from 1156 00:58:05,200 --> 00:58:07,720 Speaker 1: the ground, like using using those creep banks like I 1157 00:58:07,760 --> 00:58:10,360 Speaker 1: talked about it did last year, a lot more um 1158 00:58:10,440 --> 00:58:14,200 Speaker 1: brush piles and stuff. It'll be definitely a new new 1159 00:58:14,280 --> 00:58:16,840 Speaker 1: challenge and it will limit where I can set up. 1160 00:58:16,920 --> 00:58:23,040 Speaker 1: But I'm actually weirdly looking forward to There's something, uh, 1161 00:58:23,240 --> 00:58:25,160 Speaker 1: I'm not sure even how to describe it, but there's 1162 00:58:25,160 --> 00:58:27,960 Speaker 1: something like really natural about just holding a longbow or 1163 00:58:28,000 --> 00:58:30,560 Speaker 1: recurve in your hand, like no sites, there's nothing there. 1164 00:58:30,720 --> 00:58:35,800 Speaker 1: It's just like this simplicity of it. And so it's 1165 00:58:35,800 --> 00:58:38,520 Speaker 1: what's that's what our ancestors did. So you know, just 1166 00:58:38,640 --> 00:58:41,920 Speaker 1: going back a little bit, it's it's fun. I mean, 1167 00:58:41,960 --> 00:58:47,560 Speaker 1: I find myself. I know when either when I just 1168 00:58:47,640 --> 00:58:50,200 Speaker 1: kind of give this stuff up by this stuff, I 1169 00:58:50,240 --> 00:58:52,160 Speaker 1: mean like the industry stuff, or they just kick me 1170 00:58:52,160 --> 00:58:54,520 Speaker 1: out for some reason, I'm going and I don't have 1171 00:58:54,560 --> 00:58:56,480 Speaker 1: to kill big deer and you know, like I don't 1172 00:58:56,520 --> 00:58:59,320 Speaker 1: have such a limited time. I'm going back to traditional 1173 00:58:59,400 --> 00:59:03,240 Speaker 1: archery because I just there is something different about that. 1174 00:59:03,320 --> 00:59:06,880 Speaker 1: Just carrying that around and just have that lightbow, simple 1175 00:59:07,440 --> 00:59:09,880 Speaker 1: and just kind of feeling like you have a free 1176 00:59:09,920 --> 00:59:14,920 Speaker 1: pass to not not necessarily like not take it seriously, 1177 00:59:15,240 --> 00:59:17,720 Speaker 1: but take it a different way, Like you don't you 1178 00:59:17,760 --> 00:59:19,800 Speaker 1: just you can go sneak around. Like when when you're 1179 00:59:19,800 --> 00:59:23,040 Speaker 1: talking about still hunting. You know, when I was growing up, 1180 00:59:23,600 --> 00:59:26,440 Speaker 1: everybody wrote articles about still hunting. You read about still hunting. 1181 00:59:26,440 --> 00:59:28,560 Speaker 1: It's like you can only cover a hundred yards every 1182 00:59:28,560 --> 00:59:31,480 Speaker 1: three hours or something like that, and you know, like 1183 00:59:31,640 --> 00:59:34,960 Speaker 1: always move at a glacial pace. And I was like, 1184 00:59:35,040 --> 00:59:37,400 Speaker 1: who nobody does this? This is bullshit? Like this is 1185 00:59:37,400 --> 00:59:39,600 Speaker 1: people writing something they want people to read and think 1186 00:59:39,600 --> 00:59:42,560 Speaker 1: they're cool, but nobody actually does that, and you don't. 1187 00:59:43,280 --> 00:59:45,760 Speaker 1: You don't really have to. Like you you can kind 1188 00:59:45,760 --> 00:59:47,320 Speaker 1: of try to go at that speed if you're like 1189 00:59:47,480 --> 00:59:49,920 Speaker 1: right in the thick of it, but if you if 1190 00:59:49,920 --> 00:59:52,360 Speaker 1: you start sneaking around, I mean, like you know, watch 1191 00:59:52,400 --> 00:59:55,080 Speaker 1: those hunting public videos, like those guys, yeah in in 1192 00:59:55,120 --> 00:59:58,760 Speaker 1: the red Zone, they're crawling, right, but most of the 1193 00:59:58,760 --> 01:00:01,760 Speaker 1: time they're not. You don't have to. And if you 1194 01:00:01,800 --> 01:00:03,960 Speaker 1: give yourself, like you're talking about a creek bank to 1195 01:00:04,000 --> 01:00:06,960 Speaker 1: work with or something that hides you, man, that can 1196 01:00:06,960 --> 01:00:09,640 Speaker 1: be some of the most fun hunting out there. It's 1197 01:00:09,680 --> 01:00:13,160 Speaker 1: a blast. Yeah, And that's what I'm I'm looking forward 1198 01:00:13,200 --> 01:00:17,880 Speaker 1: to is just just having fun again. I think, um, 1199 01:00:17,920 --> 01:00:20,800 Speaker 1: you know, hunting is supposed to be fun. It's supposed 1200 01:00:20,800 --> 01:00:23,720 Speaker 1: to be enjoyable, and I think we put a lot 1201 01:00:23,720 --> 01:00:28,200 Speaker 1: of pressure in ourselves. You're a different situation because it's 1202 01:00:28,280 --> 01:00:30,760 Speaker 1: you know, part of your job is to shoot big deer. 1203 01:00:31,200 --> 01:00:33,920 Speaker 1: And for me it was it was more of just 1204 01:00:34,600 --> 01:00:37,000 Speaker 1: trying to be cool and and fit into the big, 1205 01:00:37,080 --> 01:00:39,960 Speaker 1: big hunting crowd and um, so kind of letting all 1206 01:00:40,000 --> 01:00:44,120 Speaker 1: that go and and just making this as simple as possible. 1207 01:00:44,160 --> 01:00:47,480 Speaker 1: And uh, my neighbor who's hunted with the recurb for 1208 01:00:47,560 --> 01:00:49,840 Speaker 1: quite a while, he he put it really well. He said, 1209 01:00:49,840 --> 01:00:52,200 Speaker 1: don't think of that bow as a handicapped and he said, 1210 01:00:52,280 --> 01:00:56,080 Speaker 1: and you'll be fine. And so that's kind of my strategy. 1211 01:00:56,080 --> 01:00:58,400 Speaker 1: It's like, I can I know I can shoot this well, 1212 01:00:58,920 --> 01:01:01,800 Speaker 1: I just can't shoot it pass a pniards um. But 1213 01:01:01,920 --> 01:01:04,640 Speaker 1: that's I'm not looking at. There's a handicap, and it 1214 01:01:04,680 --> 01:01:06,720 Speaker 1: would just be more of a fun experience getting that 1215 01:01:06,800 --> 01:01:10,919 Speaker 1: close to deer, turkeys, whatever whatever is aufter this fall. 1216 01:01:11,000 --> 01:01:16,120 Speaker 1: So yeah, it's a for me. When when I did it, 1217 01:01:16,120 --> 01:01:19,920 Speaker 1: it was really it kind of it kind of exposed 1218 01:01:19,960 --> 01:01:21,760 Speaker 1: me to something that I think is just a natural 1219 01:01:21,760 --> 01:01:24,840 Speaker 1: tendency for myself when I shoot. So I grew up 1220 01:01:25,520 --> 01:01:28,120 Speaker 1: hunting pheasants and gross and I can swing a shotgun 1221 01:01:28,160 --> 01:01:30,400 Speaker 1: pretty well. Like I'm a real comfortable wing shooting. It's 1222 01:01:30,440 --> 01:01:32,000 Speaker 1: one of my favorite things in the world to do. 1223 01:01:32,800 --> 01:01:36,920 Speaker 1: And when it came to shooting a compound, the more 1224 01:01:36,960 --> 01:01:39,000 Speaker 1: pins you gave me and the more things you gave 1225 01:01:39,040 --> 01:01:41,280 Speaker 1: me to think about, the easier it was for me. 1226 01:01:41,400 --> 01:01:43,720 Speaker 1: Just a totally ship the bed right like it was 1227 01:01:43,760 --> 01:01:46,080 Speaker 1: just like if I got a gap or I got 1228 01:01:46,080 --> 01:01:48,439 Speaker 1: to choose a second or third, I'm toast it's over. 1229 01:01:49,520 --> 01:01:51,000 Speaker 1: Which took me a long time to figure out about 1230 01:01:51,040 --> 01:01:52,720 Speaker 1: why I went to single pin and why I like 1231 01:01:52,760 --> 01:01:55,080 Speaker 1: I had to structure my shooting style with a compound 1232 01:01:55,800 --> 01:02:00,640 Speaker 1: to be closer to instinctive, you know like quick target acquisition, 1233 01:02:00,760 --> 01:02:04,520 Speaker 1: quick shot sequence. And then when I hunted with a recurve, 1234 01:02:05,200 --> 01:02:07,320 Speaker 1: I realized like, oh, this is just kind of how 1235 01:02:07,360 --> 01:02:10,400 Speaker 1: you're wired, dude, because like I'll never forget I had 1236 01:02:11,760 --> 01:02:13,280 Speaker 1: I killed two dear So I killed a buck and 1237 01:02:13,320 --> 01:02:14,800 Speaker 1: I killed a dill the first year that I had 1238 01:02:14,840 --> 01:02:18,840 Speaker 1: of a recurve. And the buck when he came in, 1239 01:02:19,120 --> 01:02:22,959 Speaker 1: it was it was like an early October random staging area, 1240 01:02:23,040 --> 01:02:24,920 Speaker 1: kind of oak flat thing like you're talking about. And 1241 01:02:25,000 --> 01:02:26,400 Speaker 1: I looked up, but I don't know if somebody had 1242 01:02:26,400 --> 01:02:28,120 Speaker 1: spooked them or what, but three dos in this buck 1243 01:02:28,160 --> 01:02:31,440 Speaker 1: came running him and I drew on that buck when 1244 01:02:31,480 --> 01:02:35,360 Speaker 1: he was close like six seven eight yards away, and 1245 01:02:35,400 --> 01:02:38,280 Speaker 1: I must have been gripping that string so hard that 1246 01:02:38,280 --> 01:02:41,680 Speaker 1: that that arrow came off the shelf and hit like 1247 01:02:41,880 --> 01:02:44,880 Speaker 1: two ft in front of his front feet, like you know, 1248 01:02:44,920 --> 01:02:47,240 Speaker 1: I missed my target at like eight yards by like 1249 01:02:47,320 --> 01:02:50,880 Speaker 1: five ft. I mean, it was just a colossal meltdown. 1250 01:02:50,960 --> 01:02:54,240 Speaker 1: It just and but it was a recurve. They didn't 1251 01:02:54,240 --> 01:02:55,880 Speaker 1: really know what was going on. I got another era 1252 01:02:56,080 --> 01:02:57,680 Speaker 1: on and he bounded just a little ways back and 1253 01:02:57,720 --> 01:03:00,560 Speaker 1: stopped quartering away, and it was just it was one 1254 01:03:00,560 --> 01:03:03,120 Speaker 1: of those situations where I rushed it, but I was 1255 01:03:03,120 --> 01:03:06,760 Speaker 1: shooting an instinctive bow, so you know, like with a compound, 1256 01:03:06,800 --> 01:03:08,760 Speaker 1: you'd i'd really felt it with that. It was just 1257 01:03:08,760 --> 01:03:11,000 Speaker 1: like get it back, pick your spot, and shoot. And 1258 01:03:11,040 --> 01:03:13,080 Speaker 1: that arrow just sucked right into that void behind his 1259 01:03:13,160 --> 01:03:16,480 Speaker 1: shoulder and it was like holy balls. And then I 1260 01:03:16,520 --> 01:03:18,280 Speaker 1: was you know, I killed a buck, right, so I'm 1261 01:03:18,280 --> 01:03:21,000 Speaker 1: out of my buck tag. And later that season, I 1262 01:03:21,000 --> 01:03:22,880 Speaker 1: was sitting in a kind of deep in this valley 1263 01:03:22,880 --> 01:03:25,400 Speaker 1: and I looked up and this dough came down the 1264 01:03:25,400 --> 01:03:28,680 Speaker 1: trail and she was just trotten close and it was 1265 01:03:28,760 --> 01:03:32,240 Speaker 1: like I didn't even think about it, just drawback follower 1266 01:03:32,320 --> 01:03:34,920 Speaker 1: and shoot and just smoked her. And to me, like 1267 01:03:34,960 --> 01:03:37,000 Speaker 1: that was that moment where I was like, this is 1268 01:03:37,080 --> 01:03:40,200 Speaker 1: kind of just how you shoot. If you get too 1269 01:03:40,280 --> 01:03:42,040 Speaker 1: much time to think about it, you're screwed buddy, like 1270 01:03:42,080 --> 01:03:44,200 Speaker 1: you just need this kind of fluid type of thing. 1271 01:03:44,760 --> 01:03:47,600 Speaker 1: And I realized, like, man, this is freaking fun. Like 1272 01:03:47,600 --> 01:03:49,760 Speaker 1: it's a different kind of hunting and it's hard, but 1273 01:03:49,840 --> 01:03:53,280 Speaker 1: it's so cool to do. Yeah. Yeah, And I think 1274 01:03:53,280 --> 01:03:56,320 Speaker 1: you hit it on the head there with the shooting. 1275 01:03:56,720 --> 01:03:59,160 Speaker 1: If you shoot instinctively with a repair of lobo, it 1276 01:03:59,240 --> 01:04:02,200 Speaker 1: is a very good thing. It's like a whereas like 1277 01:04:02,360 --> 01:04:05,840 Speaker 1: compound it's very it's not you have all your anchors 1278 01:04:05,880 --> 01:04:08,440 Speaker 1: and your pins and you have to do everything, whereas 1279 01:04:09,240 --> 01:04:11,640 Speaker 1: instinctive shooting is it's a fluid motion. You can't you 1280 01:04:11,640 --> 01:04:14,520 Speaker 1: don't ever really stop it. And I think, um, I 1281 01:04:14,600 --> 01:04:16,440 Speaker 1: used to be really good at baseball, so like throwing 1282 01:04:16,520 --> 01:04:20,080 Speaker 1: a baseball, I'm hoping that that comes into play with 1283 01:04:20,160 --> 01:04:21,920 Speaker 1: the instinct team shooting. I was like, I used to 1284 01:04:21,960 --> 01:04:24,160 Speaker 1: have really good hand out coordination and so kind of 1285 01:04:24,160 --> 01:04:26,520 Speaker 1: getting back to that because with a compound, I definitely 1286 01:04:26,560 --> 01:04:29,720 Speaker 1: went through like the target painting phase, and um, I 1287 01:04:29,840 --> 01:04:31,680 Speaker 1: had to change a bunch of stuff, and so I'm 1288 01:04:31,760 --> 01:04:34,520 Speaker 1: kind of looking forward to not not having to deal 1289 01:04:34,560 --> 01:04:37,720 Speaker 1: with all that stuff and just just having fun again. 1290 01:04:37,760 --> 01:04:42,600 Speaker 1: And um yeah, hopefully so far, the fluid motion of 1291 01:04:43,000 --> 01:04:47,520 Speaker 1: just shooting is working well, and you know, I don't 1292 01:04:47,560 --> 01:04:49,680 Speaker 1: know what will happen when you put something further on 1293 01:04:49,720 --> 01:04:52,120 Speaker 1: it in front of me, but boom, targets are in 1294 01:04:52,200 --> 01:05:08,600 Speaker 1: danger right now. So you you've got a weird situation 1295 01:05:08,680 --> 01:05:12,560 Speaker 1: going on, uh medically that I'm I'm sure everybody listening 1296 01:05:12,600 --> 01:05:14,440 Speaker 1: to this and myself as well, hope it really works 1297 01:05:14,440 --> 01:05:17,400 Speaker 1: out for you and it's you get through this just fine, buddy, 1298 01:05:17,640 --> 01:05:20,000 Speaker 1: But you you've also got it. So it's it's got 1299 01:05:20,040 --> 01:05:21,920 Speaker 1: in a position where you're like, I just can't go 1300 01:05:22,080 --> 01:05:25,320 Speaker 1: whack every day that comes out, or I shouldn't write 1301 01:05:26,280 --> 01:05:29,800 Speaker 1: you could, but you won't. And now you're like, okay. 1302 01:05:30,000 --> 01:05:32,840 Speaker 1: It's kind of like putting you in this a weird 1303 01:05:32,880 --> 01:05:35,400 Speaker 1: trophy hunting category right like where you're like, okay, well, 1304 01:05:35,400 --> 01:05:38,000 Speaker 1: if if the right buck comes out, but now you're 1305 01:05:38,040 --> 01:05:40,000 Speaker 1: hunting with a weapon, that's going to be more difficult. 1306 01:05:40,200 --> 01:05:44,440 Speaker 1: So what is the right buck? Oh, if it's legal 1307 01:05:44,560 --> 01:05:47,080 Speaker 1: this year and in range, if it's under fifteen yards 1308 01:05:47,080 --> 01:05:49,840 Speaker 1: and legal, it's that's the right buck. But uh, what 1309 01:05:50,080 --> 01:05:51,800 Speaker 1: do you mean by legal? Like do you have a 1310 01:05:51,880 --> 01:05:54,440 Speaker 1: PRS down there or something? Yeah, it's gotta have four 1311 01:05:54,480 --> 01:05:58,920 Speaker 1: points on one side. So yes, that's my only requirements 1312 01:05:58,920 --> 01:06:01,600 Speaker 1: for this year. Uh. And I would like to say 1313 01:06:01,600 --> 01:06:03,520 Speaker 1: that I'm gonna hold out for something, you know, a 1314 01:06:03,520 --> 01:06:06,360 Speaker 1: certain age class or anything, but the reality of in 1315 01:06:06,400 --> 01:06:09,400 Speaker 1: the moment, if it's legal and then under fifteen yards 1316 01:06:09,440 --> 01:06:11,840 Speaker 1: there's gonna be arrows flung at it. So God, I 1317 01:06:11,880 --> 01:06:17,520 Speaker 1: love that. I love hearing that. That is. That is 1318 01:06:17,560 --> 01:06:22,720 Speaker 1: sort of the the great intangible of challenging yourself. You know, 1319 01:06:22,840 --> 01:06:24,720 Speaker 1: whether you whether you go from a compound to a 1320 01:06:24,720 --> 01:06:27,800 Speaker 1: recurver longbow, or you go from your home farm to 1321 01:06:27,960 --> 01:06:32,080 Speaker 1: public land, is you have that, you feel like you 1322 01:06:32,120 --> 01:06:34,920 Speaker 1: have more license to go. It doesn't need to be 1323 01:06:34,960 --> 01:06:38,440 Speaker 1: a giant like and and I always preach this, and 1324 01:06:38,480 --> 01:06:40,120 Speaker 1: I think some people listen. I think some people think 1325 01:06:40,120 --> 01:06:43,760 Speaker 1: I'm an idiot, But like I always talk about hunting Oklahoma. 1326 01:06:43,960 --> 01:06:46,160 Speaker 1: I love hunting Oklahoma because you get a bunch of tags, 1327 01:06:46,440 --> 01:06:48,960 Speaker 1: you know, two bucks bour Dose, and there's a lot 1328 01:06:48,960 --> 01:06:52,280 Speaker 1: of deer down there. And you forget when you when 1329 01:06:52,280 --> 01:06:53,840 Speaker 1: you live in the world that a lot of us 1330 01:06:53,880 --> 01:06:57,200 Speaker 1: do dear wise, whether you've got that family farm or 1331 01:06:57,240 --> 01:06:59,200 Speaker 1: you've been hunt in twenty years and you're you're at 1332 01:06:59,200 --> 01:07:01,840 Speaker 1: the trophy hunters at US or whatever. You forget what 1333 01:07:01,920 --> 01:07:04,439 Speaker 1: it's like to go hunt for deer and how much 1334 01:07:04,480 --> 01:07:06,600 Speaker 1: freaking fun that can be, and how much fun it 1335 01:07:06,640 --> 01:07:08,760 Speaker 1: is to just be like it's you know, like you say, 1336 01:07:08,800 --> 01:07:11,720 Speaker 1: when you're when you're gonna if it's legal and it's 1337 01:07:11,840 --> 01:07:15,000 Speaker 1: within that radius, it's in trouble. It's the same thing 1338 01:07:15,000 --> 01:07:16,840 Speaker 1: when you go elk hunting on like over the counter 1339 01:07:16,960 --> 01:07:22,240 Speaker 1: unit and it's like calf cow legable, Just don't get 1340 01:07:22,240 --> 01:07:25,080 Speaker 1: close to me because I'm flinging. And I think I 1341 01:07:25,120 --> 01:07:27,360 Speaker 1: think we forget that sometimes and it's it can be 1342 01:07:27,480 --> 01:07:31,880 Speaker 1: really fun to go hunt that way. Yeah, yeah, and 1343 01:07:31,880 --> 01:07:34,840 Speaker 1: and it is and that and I definitely went through 1344 01:07:34,840 --> 01:07:40,360 Speaker 1: that trophy hunting phase um, and I'm thankful it didn't 1345 01:07:40,440 --> 01:07:43,600 Speaker 1: last too long where I was only after. You know, 1346 01:07:44,240 --> 01:07:46,240 Speaker 1: you watch watch some TV shows and it's like, oh, 1347 01:07:46,280 --> 01:07:48,000 Speaker 1: they gotta be five and a half or something and 1348 01:07:48,680 --> 01:07:52,200 Speaker 1: or certain you know, hundred fifty plus and shoes and 1349 01:07:52,800 --> 01:07:55,800 Speaker 1: like that's I mean, if you have the big private 1350 01:07:55,840 --> 01:07:58,200 Speaker 1: farm and you have deer like that every year, that 1351 01:07:58,320 --> 01:08:00,120 Speaker 1: ball means go for it if that's what makes you 1352 01:08:00,360 --> 01:08:03,360 Speaker 1: be happy. But like in my my situation, I have 1353 01:08:03,800 --> 01:08:07,320 Speaker 1: limited amount of time to hunt. Um, I've definitely handicapped 1354 01:08:07,320 --> 01:08:09,680 Speaker 1: myself now with a with a lombo, I won't I 1355 01:08:09,720 --> 01:08:12,400 Speaker 1: won't call the handcap. I'm not supposed to think that way, 1356 01:08:12,440 --> 01:08:16,559 Speaker 1: but I've I've limited myself fifteen yards and under. So 1357 01:08:16,760 --> 01:08:19,600 Speaker 1: it's it's just a different challenge. And I like the 1358 01:08:19,680 --> 01:08:22,360 Speaker 1: transition when I went from hunting the family farm to 1359 01:08:22,720 --> 01:08:24,680 Speaker 1: public lands, like this is kind of just a new 1360 01:08:24,720 --> 01:08:27,880 Speaker 1: transition to where I have to be that much more, 1361 01:08:28,600 --> 01:08:31,160 Speaker 1: you know. I don't I want to call it skilled, 1362 01:08:31,160 --> 01:08:32,880 Speaker 1: but I have to pay more attention and be be 1363 01:08:33,040 --> 01:08:35,840 Speaker 1: closer to deer, and uh, I'm just looking forward to that. 1364 01:08:35,920 --> 01:08:39,479 Speaker 1: It's it's a lot of fun and I'm even over 1365 01:08:39,479 --> 01:08:42,479 Speaker 1: the last few years, I've definitely enjoyed seeing these really 1366 01:08:42,479 --> 01:08:46,080 Speaker 1: big deer. But if if a nice buck came within 1367 01:08:46,240 --> 01:08:48,960 Speaker 1: range first before these giant deer, I would have I 1368 01:08:48,960 --> 01:08:51,519 Speaker 1: would have definitely shot it. So I'm not not holding 1369 01:08:51,520 --> 01:08:53,880 Speaker 1: that for any trophies or anything. If that that's the 1370 01:08:53,920 --> 01:08:56,840 Speaker 1: first year that walks by, hey, I'll take it. But yeah, 1371 01:08:57,280 --> 01:08:59,640 Speaker 1: well that's what you're talking about there. I think is 1372 01:08:59,680 --> 01:09:03,439 Speaker 1: a really important distinction that a lot of hunters don't make, 1373 01:09:03,920 --> 01:09:08,400 Speaker 1: where you you're out there hunting and you're hunting concentrations 1374 01:09:08,400 --> 01:09:11,120 Speaker 1: of deer, and you might narrow that down depending on 1375 01:09:11,160 --> 01:09:15,439 Speaker 1: the situation to concentrations of bucks. But we we talk 1376 01:09:15,520 --> 01:09:19,000 Speaker 1: about scouting, and we talked about hunting in sort of 1377 01:09:19,040 --> 01:09:22,400 Speaker 1: this like narrow lane where it's like, I'm only looking 1378 01:09:22,439 --> 01:09:25,040 Speaker 1: for big buck sign or I'm only hunting big bucks, 1379 01:09:25,439 --> 01:09:29,120 Speaker 1: and it's sort of it's a disservice because it kind 1380 01:09:29,120 --> 01:09:32,760 Speaker 1: of sells this this thought process that that's that's it, 1381 01:09:32,800 --> 01:09:35,120 Speaker 1: that's all you gotta do. But really what you find 1382 01:09:35,120 --> 01:09:37,360 Speaker 1: out like when you when you go to that public land, 1383 01:09:38,240 --> 01:09:41,000 Speaker 1: if you're not hunting deer first, you're not going to 1384 01:09:41,040 --> 01:09:43,560 Speaker 1: find the big bucks. And if you find that concentration, 1385 01:09:43,680 --> 01:09:45,559 Speaker 1: sometimes you get narrowed in on them and you get 1386 01:09:45,560 --> 01:09:47,559 Speaker 1: exposed to something that gives you something to work with 1387 01:09:47,560 --> 01:09:50,160 Speaker 1: on a really big one. But it doesn't start that 1388 01:09:50,200 --> 01:09:52,640 Speaker 1: way typically, like you don't you don't start out and 1389 01:09:52,680 --> 01:09:54,120 Speaker 1: be like I walk in there in the first year 1390 01:09:54,120 --> 01:09:57,160 Speaker 1: I saw was the one sixty. It's like usually you 1391 01:09:57,200 --> 01:09:58,960 Speaker 1: start out and you're like, I don't know where's the 1392 01:09:59,080 --> 01:10:02,000 Speaker 1: where's the oak tree that hot? And then it's like, okay, 1393 01:10:02,000 --> 01:10:03,360 Speaker 1: you sit there and you get on some deer and 1394 01:10:03,360 --> 01:10:05,640 Speaker 1: you're like, Okay, they're telling me something. And it's a 1395 01:10:05,680 --> 01:10:09,040 Speaker 1: process of of figuring out all the deer and in 1396 01:10:09,240 --> 01:10:11,160 Speaker 1: all of the deer are some of those big ones. 1397 01:10:11,520 --> 01:10:14,600 Speaker 1: But without that, you don't usually don't get to the 1398 01:10:14,840 --> 01:10:18,800 Speaker 1: to the big ones without starting on the deer. Yeah. Yeah, 1399 01:10:18,840 --> 01:10:20,160 Speaker 1: and there are a few times where you can get 1400 01:10:20,240 --> 01:10:22,840 Speaker 1: lucky and that's the first tear that comes by might 1401 01:10:22,840 --> 01:10:26,840 Speaker 1: be the big one. But but yeah, definitely, um, you 1402 01:10:26,960 --> 01:10:29,799 Speaker 1: definitely have to find the deer first, and then um 1403 01:10:29,840 --> 01:10:33,320 Speaker 1: this October time frame that the bucks and does in 1404 01:10:33,400 --> 01:10:36,680 Speaker 1: the early part October anyway, are normally not in the 1405 01:10:36,760 --> 01:10:39,760 Speaker 1: same exact spot they're They're usually close, but so you 1406 01:10:39,920 --> 01:10:42,040 Speaker 1: kind of figure out where the those are and then 1407 01:10:42,080 --> 01:10:44,120 Speaker 1: you transition kind of find where the bucks are, or 1408 01:10:44,160 --> 01:10:46,720 Speaker 1: if you find the bucks first. But but yeah, uh, 1409 01:10:47,120 --> 01:10:49,680 Speaker 1: last year it was that's how I found that that 1410 01:10:49,760 --> 01:10:52,000 Speaker 1: real good betting area where the bigger bucks were. Is 1411 01:10:52,120 --> 01:10:55,000 Speaker 1: I've started seeing more more Bucks and the smaller bucks 1412 01:10:55,000 --> 01:10:58,080 Speaker 1: at first, and then the closer I moved in, then 1413 01:10:58,120 --> 01:10:59,800 Speaker 1: I started seeing some of the bigger ones. So it 1414 01:10:59,880 --> 01:11:02,840 Speaker 1: is it is that you know, find the deer and 1415 01:11:02,880 --> 01:11:05,720 Speaker 1: then find what you're looking for, I guess whatever that 1416 01:11:05,840 --> 01:11:07,640 Speaker 1: is if you're trophy hunting, or if you're going to 1417 01:11:07,760 --> 01:11:10,719 Speaker 1: settle for the first legal deer that comes by. Do 1418 01:11:10,720 --> 01:11:13,720 Speaker 1: do you see? Because I I spend a lot of 1419 01:11:13,760 --> 01:11:17,679 Speaker 1: time looking for deer on acorns and looking for deer 1420 01:11:17,720 --> 01:11:21,360 Speaker 1: in early October. Where I don't, I wouldn't. I would 1421 01:11:21,400 --> 01:11:24,040 Speaker 1: agree with you, and I would say they aren't necessarily 1422 01:11:25,120 --> 01:11:27,080 Speaker 1: living in the same spots A lot of times, like 1423 01:11:27,080 --> 01:11:28,960 Speaker 1: I'll see bucks come in from one way and dolls 1424 01:11:29,040 --> 01:11:32,439 Speaker 1: come in from another. But I still see this, this 1425 01:11:32,520 --> 01:11:35,160 Speaker 1: kind of crossover stuff all the time. So yeah, I 1426 01:11:35,200 --> 01:11:38,479 Speaker 1: think about just as an example, I was hunting in 1427 01:11:38,520 --> 01:11:41,040 Speaker 1: northern Wisconsin, I don't know, five or six years ago. 1428 01:11:41,520 --> 01:11:43,599 Speaker 1: I moved into this spot that had a creek bottom 1429 01:11:43,600 --> 01:11:45,479 Speaker 1: going through it. It's all big wood stuff. You can 1430 01:11:45,520 --> 01:11:47,840 Speaker 1: go for miles there on public land. It's all big woods. 1431 01:11:48,439 --> 01:11:51,240 Speaker 1: And the first night I was in there, I saw 1432 01:11:52,040 --> 01:11:54,040 Speaker 1: I think I saw a loan fawn and one other 1433 01:11:54,080 --> 01:11:57,120 Speaker 1: doll kind of moving through. The next night I said it, 1434 01:11:57,200 --> 01:12:00,599 Speaker 1: I saw like a eight pointer, really nice for up there, 1435 01:12:00,640 --> 01:12:03,160 Speaker 1: and he crossed the creek in a certain spot. I 1436 01:12:03,240 --> 01:12:06,240 Speaker 1: moved in there a little bit on him. The next night. 1437 01:12:06,280 --> 01:12:08,479 Speaker 1: He didn't come back, but some does did, and they 1438 01:12:08,520 --> 01:12:10,800 Speaker 1: came from different directions. They used the same crossing and 1439 01:12:10,840 --> 01:12:12,479 Speaker 1: they were kind of heading they were heading to the 1440 01:12:12,520 --> 01:12:16,200 Speaker 1: same clear cut. And then I ended up the following 1441 01:12:16,240 --> 01:12:18,360 Speaker 1: weekend coming back and killing a buck in the morning 1442 01:12:19,000 --> 01:12:22,200 Speaker 1: in that clear cut, like seventy five yards down from 1443 01:12:22,240 --> 01:12:24,840 Speaker 1: that crossing. And it was one of those deals where 1444 01:12:24,920 --> 01:12:27,880 Speaker 1: it just reminds you like, yeah, those bucks are probably 1445 01:12:27,880 --> 01:12:30,680 Speaker 1: bedding in like the most advantageous spot and they might 1446 01:12:30,720 --> 01:12:33,600 Speaker 1: be browsing that soft edge in a different way. But 1447 01:12:33,680 --> 01:12:36,679 Speaker 1: there's still these these crossover things where you're like, man, 1448 01:12:36,760 --> 01:12:38,920 Speaker 1: if you see a deer doing something like if if 1449 01:12:38,960 --> 01:12:40,800 Speaker 1: those deer coming into that white oak, and like you 1450 01:12:40,840 --> 01:12:43,080 Speaker 1: said earlier, you know you see bucks and little bucks, 1451 01:12:43,120 --> 01:12:46,080 Speaker 1: and does you know those big ones are around somewhere, 1452 01:12:46,160 --> 01:12:48,280 Speaker 1: Like it's not like they're on the next property over. 1453 01:12:48,640 --> 01:12:50,920 Speaker 1: It's just they might have a little bit different program on. 1454 01:12:51,000 --> 01:12:52,880 Speaker 1: But there's an awful lot to be learned by seeing 1455 01:12:52,880 --> 01:12:56,719 Speaker 1: those other deer. Yeah, definitely is. And it it varies 1456 01:12:56,800 --> 01:12:59,960 Speaker 1: from area to area too. I've I've found this out 1457 01:13:00,160 --> 01:13:04,280 Speaker 1: the section I was hunting last year. Uh, it was 1458 01:13:04,320 --> 01:13:09,840 Speaker 1: weirdly like segregated. There's a hunted the like several ridges 1459 01:13:09,880 --> 01:13:12,880 Speaker 1: and it was just doz doz does dose and then 1460 01:13:12,880 --> 01:13:14,640 Speaker 1: it was like switched. And then I started seeing the 1461 01:13:14,640 --> 01:13:17,640 Speaker 1: bucks as I as I moved to different areas, And 1462 01:13:17,680 --> 01:13:19,280 Speaker 1: so I don't know if it's always that way or 1463 01:13:19,320 --> 01:13:21,479 Speaker 1: if that was just just happened to be the deer 1464 01:13:21,520 --> 01:13:24,120 Speaker 1: that I saw when I was hunting those places. Um, 1465 01:13:24,160 --> 01:13:26,639 Speaker 1: But there's another spot of hunt and even this time 1466 01:13:26,680 --> 01:13:28,400 Speaker 1: of year, you'll see does come through, and then you'll 1467 01:13:28,400 --> 01:13:31,840 Speaker 1: see bucks come through, um, and you know they're betting 1468 01:13:31,880 --> 01:13:33,840 Speaker 1: in different areas, but they do use the same trails. 1469 01:13:33,880 --> 01:13:36,400 Speaker 1: But yeah, like you said, there's always either the food 1470 01:13:36,439 --> 01:13:40,880 Speaker 1: source or a certain crossing or something um there at 1471 01:13:40,920 --> 01:13:42,479 Speaker 1: some point in time, the bucks does are gonna be 1472 01:13:42,520 --> 01:13:44,320 Speaker 1: using the same food source, So how they get there, 1473 01:13:44,520 --> 01:13:46,960 Speaker 1: and if there's limiting factors like a crossing or a 1474 01:13:47,000 --> 01:13:48,760 Speaker 1: real tight ridge that they're gonna have to use to 1475 01:13:48,760 --> 01:13:50,839 Speaker 1: get where they want to go, there's always those places. 1476 01:13:50,840 --> 01:13:53,840 Speaker 1: So when you see deer doing something consistently kind of 1477 01:13:53,880 --> 01:13:57,040 Speaker 1: a pattern, you know it's probably something that eventually you'll 1478 01:13:57,320 --> 01:13:59,599 Speaker 1: you'll find a bigger deer doing that as well. So 1479 01:14:00,040 --> 01:14:02,040 Speaker 1: do you do you think that that situation there you're 1480 01:14:02,040 --> 01:14:04,120 Speaker 1: describing where the doughs were on some ridges and the 1481 01:14:04,160 --> 01:14:06,160 Speaker 1: bucks were in a certain spot. Do you think that 1482 01:14:06,320 --> 01:14:08,760 Speaker 1: is just a testament to the pressure in there and 1483 01:14:08,800 --> 01:14:10,800 Speaker 1: those bucks are kind of pushed all into the one 1484 01:14:10,840 --> 01:14:14,280 Speaker 1: area or an area where they're like, people just aren't 1485 01:14:14,320 --> 01:14:16,600 Speaker 1: coming here, and you know, the doughs are probably in 1486 01:14:16,600 --> 01:14:18,880 Speaker 1: a place that maybe they get messed with a little more, 1487 01:14:18,960 --> 01:14:21,840 Speaker 1: but those bucks are like, this is we're taking the 1488 01:14:21,880 --> 01:14:25,719 Speaker 1: best spot. Yeah, I think it was. And I didn't 1489 01:14:25,760 --> 01:14:29,879 Speaker 1: realize how hard that place got hunted, um because I 1490 01:14:29,920 --> 01:14:32,600 Speaker 1: had previously only hunted in September October and there was 1491 01:14:32,640 --> 01:14:36,040 Speaker 1: nobody there. But I got brave and went in there 1492 01:14:36,040 --> 01:14:39,280 Speaker 1: once during rifles season last year, and there were people everywhere, 1493 01:14:39,360 --> 01:14:41,560 Speaker 1: Like there was no square into that place that you 1494 01:14:41,600 --> 01:14:45,360 Speaker 1: could have was not covered by somebody in orange that 1495 01:14:45,400 --> 01:14:47,760 Speaker 1: you could see, And so I didn't. I didn't. Actually 1496 01:14:47,760 --> 01:14:49,639 Speaker 1: I've never been there during raffles scene. I didn't realize 1497 01:14:49,680 --> 01:14:52,080 Speaker 1: how much pressure that place got. So that makes it 1498 01:14:52,080 --> 01:14:55,479 Speaker 1: makes more sense. The heaviest dentist cover that's the hardest 1499 01:14:55,479 --> 01:14:57,160 Speaker 1: to get to is where those bucks were, where the 1500 01:14:57,200 --> 01:14:59,639 Speaker 1: big bucks were and where most of the bucks were. 1501 01:14:59,720 --> 01:15:02,280 Speaker 1: But um, the other places that were a little more 1502 01:15:02,280 --> 01:15:04,880 Speaker 1: open um is where I saw all the dough. So 1503 01:15:05,520 --> 01:15:07,280 Speaker 1: I think that makes a lot of sense. In the pressure, 1504 01:15:07,320 --> 01:15:09,719 Speaker 1: they those were betting where they could and the bucks 1505 01:15:09,720 --> 01:15:12,920 Speaker 1: had the had the tight cover taken over, so they 1506 01:15:12,960 --> 01:15:15,840 Speaker 1: just got the prime real estate. I I've got a 1507 01:15:15,880 --> 01:15:18,400 Speaker 1: spot on a dairy farm that I've had permission to 1508 01:15:18,479 --> 01:15:22,280 Speaker 1: hunt forever down in southeastern Minnesota, and it's one of 1509 01:15:22,320 --> 01:15:24,680 Speaker 1: my favorite places to go hunt early season because I 1510 01:15:24,680 --> 01:15:26,960 Speaker 1: can a lot of times I can shoot a door 1511 01:15:27,000 --> 01:15:31,000 Speaker 1: in there, so I like it. But it changes over 1512 01:15:31,479 --> 01:15:34,560 Speaker 1: when you know, when you get closer to Halloween and 1513 01:15:34,600 --> 01:15:37,519 Speaker 1: you started getting closer to the rut. It's it's one 1514 01:15:37,520 --> 01:15:39,679 Speaker 1: of the best places I have to see a big 1515 01:15:39,680 --> 01:15:43,960 Speaker 1: buck on that farm. And they come from they seem 1516 01:15:44,040 --> 01:15:45,800 Speaker 1: to come from different spots on the ridge, and that 1517 01:15:45,880 --> 01:15:47,640 Speaker 1: might partially because the bucks are using the wind a 1518 01:15:47,680 --> 01:15:49,719 Speaker 1: little bit more that time of year for certain things. 1519 01:15:50,200 --> 01:15:53,880 Speaker 1: But it always surprises me that you've got this, you know, 1520 01:15:54,320 --> 01:15:57,880 Speaker 1: this one area that you know, at any given time, 1521 01:15:57,920 --> 01:15:59,599 Speaker 1: you could go in there and not believe there's hardly 1522 01:15:59,600 --> 01:16:02,320 Speaker 1: any buck surround other than you see some sign and 1523 01:16:02,360 --> 01:16:04,360 Speaker 1: then the conditions get right and those bucks are there, 1524 01:16:04,400 --> 01:16:07,400 Speaker 1: and you're like, man, they were never that far away. 1525 01:16:07,479 --> 01:16:10,240 Speaker 1: They were in there, they just weren't, you know, like 1526 01:16:10,439 --> 01:16:12,320 Speaker 1: they just weren't ready to get up on their feet 1527 01:16:12,360 --> 01:16:14,960 Speaker 1: in daylight and come there while the does were. And 1528 01:16:15,000 --> 01:16:19,280 Speaker 1: it's just it's crazy how you see those differences. Yeah, yeah, 1529 01:16:19,280 --> 01:16:24,479 Speaker 1: there's definitely differences. And I'll never fully understand why why 1530 01:16:24,600 --> 01:16:26,880 Speaker 1: bucks act that way. I guess it's just kind of 1531 01:16:26,880 --> 01:16:30,439 Speaker 1: self preservation mode and um, but yeah, it does seem 1532 01:16:30,479 --> 01:16:35,240 Speaker 1: to be a kind of scattered out everywhere on the landscape, 1533 01:16:35,280 --> 01:16:38,320 Speaker 1: I guess, which is weird because there's there's studies that 1534 01:16:38,400 --> 01:16:40,000 Speaker 1: say that a dough with a bond's like the most 1535 01:16:40,080 --> 01:16:43,599 Speaker 1: territorial deer and a herd um. But it seems like 1536 01:16:43,640 --> 01:16:47,479 Speaker 1: they'll kind of take up residents and and cover that's 1537 01:16:47,520 --> 01:16:50,280 Speaker 1: not as ideal where it's like the big bucks are 1538 01:16:50,280 --> 01:16:52,960 Speaker 1: always in the thickest, nastiest place, or the place with 1539 01:16:53,040 --> 01:16:55,880 Speaker 1: them that gives them the most advantages to escape from, 1540 01:16:55,960 --> 01:16:59,200 Speaker 1: and so they only only during the rut do you 1541 01:16:59,240 --> 01:17:02,559 Speaker 1: see them really on a move out of those places 1542 01:17:02,600 --> 01:17:06,240 Speaker 1: on a on a pretty consistent basis. So that early 1543 01:17:06,240 --> 01:17:09,000 Speaker 1: season time frame, you just have to fine where they're 1544 01:17:09,000 --> 01:17:11,600 Speaker 1: hold up at. So I think we get a I 1545 01:17:11,600 --> 01:17:14,519 Speaker 1: think we get a skewed view of of dear herd 1546 01:17:14,600 --> 01:17:17,599 Speaker 1: dynamics by where we mostly see our deer. Like if 1547 01:17:17,600 --> 01:17:20,160 Speaker 1: you're talking about sitting on the edge of a soybean 1548 01:17:20,200 --> 01:17:21,960 Speaker 1: field or something, you see a bunch of deer pour 1549 01:17:22,000 --> 01:17:23,679 Speaker 1: out there, and you go out there. All the doors 1550 01:17:23,720 --> 01:17:26,479 Speaker 1: are together. But when you when like you said, when 1551 01:17:26,479 --> 01:17:28,840 Speaker 1: you look at those studies on home ground and then 1552 01:17:28,920 --> 01:17:32,400 Speaker 1: fawning grounds and like the best places to drop a 1553 01:17:32,439 --> 01:17:36,040 Speaker 1: fawn and stash them, or you spend enough time hunting 1554 01:17:36,240 --> 01:17:40,599 Speaker 1: and watching the same dose, and you realize how they're nasty, 1555 01:17:41,000 --> 01:17:45,160 Speaker 1: like they're they are real territorial, and I think you 1556 01:17:45,240 --> 01:17:47,559 Speaker 1: just don't. I don't. I think we just get such 1557 01:17:47,560 --> 01:17:51,160 Speaker 1: an unclear picture of their the entirety of their existence 1558 01:17:51,200 --> 01:17:53,880 Speaker 1: and how how they're really using the landscape. So when 1559 01:17:53,880 --> 01:17:55,920 Speaker 1: you talk about you know, on this ridge there are 1560 01:17:55,920 --> 01:17:57,360 Speaker 1: some dough and that ridge there are some doughs, and 1561 01:17:57,400 --> 01:18:00,680 Speaker 1: it's like, yeah, there's there's probably having a half year 1562 01:18:00,720 --> 01:18:03,439 Speaker 1: old doze out there who pull off two fawns every 1563 01:18:03,479 --> 01:18:06,240 Speaker 1: year that have spots that are damn near as good 1564 01:18:06,280 --> 01:18:08,960 Speaker 1: as those bucks. But you're seeing that year and a 1565 01:18:09,000 --> 01:18:10,519 Speaker 1: half two and a half year old dough out there, 1566 01:18:10,520 --> 01:18:12,640 Speaker 1: and she's like, well, I can't cool. I can't go 1567 01:18:12,680 --> 01:18:14,320 Speaker 1: over there because she kicks my ass every time. So 1568 01:18:14,360 --> 01:18:16,920 Speaker 1: I'm gonna I'm gonna lay here in this this ridge 1569 01:18:16,920 --> 01:18:19,240 Speaker 1: with my fawns and until she croaks and then we 1570 01:18:19,280 --> 01:18:21,799 Speaker 1: can move up, h you know, move up a spot. 1571 01:18:22,160 --> 01:18:23,840 Speaker 1: But I think I think that stuff happens more than 1572 01:18:23,880 --> 01:18:28,439 Speaker 1: we even we could even possibly imagine. Yeah, yeah, it's uh, 1573 01:18:28,600 --> 01:18:30,360 Speaker 1: it's it's cool to think about. Like I said, well, 1574 01:18:30,400 --> 01:18:33,840 Speaker 1: I'll never fully understand all of it, but um, I 1575 01:18:33,920 --> 01:18:37,760 Speaker 1: didn't realize until I'm trying to think that was quite 1576 01:18:37,800 --> 01:18:40,160 Speaker 1: a while ago. If I were six years ago, Uh, 1577 01:18:40,400 --> 01:18:42,240 Speaker 1: I had a bunch of doughs hunting on a family 1578 01:18:42,240 --> 01:18:44,120 Speaker 1: farm that came into the same food pot. They all 1579 01:18:44,160 --> 01:18:47,000 Speaker 1: came from different directions, and you don't really think about that. 1580 01:18:47,040 --> 01:18:48,840 Speaker 1: There's like, oh, there's a much steer in food pot now. 1581 01:18:49,560 --> 01:18:51,840 Speaker 1: But the two biggest knows actually kind of met in 1582 01:18:51,880 --> 01:18:54,320 Speaker 1: the middle and they were on their hind legs just 1583 01:18:54,400 --> 01:18:56,720 Speaker 1: fighting each other. And how loud that was, like their 1584 01:18:56,720 --> 01:18:59,360 Speaker 1: homes hitting each other, like they were going at it hard, 1585 01:18:59,439 --> 01:19:02,760 Speaker 1: and then uh, the smaller that ended up, you know, 1586 01:19:02,800 --> 01:19:04,800 Speaker 1: getting pushed off and she went to another place on 1587 01:19:04,840 --> 01:19:09,280 Speaker 1: the farm. And so it's uh that happens probably more often, 1588 01:19:09,320 --> 01:19:12,120 Speaker 1: like I said, than we know about um. And until 1589 01:19:12,160 --> 01:19:14,160 Speaker 1: that point, I never really thought about it, because like 1590 01:19:14,479 --> 01:19:16,800 Speaker 1: if you see a big bean field and there's a 1591 01:19:16,800 --> 01:19:18,559 Speaker 1: bunch of deer in it, you just assumed that they 1592 01:19:18,600 --> 01:19:21,160 Speaker 1: were together the whole time. It's like, no, they're coming 1593 01:19:21,160 --> 01:19:23,800 Speaker 1: from all kinds of different areas and they're congregating there. 1594 01:19:23,840 --> 01:19:27,920 Speaker 1: So yeah, there's like a truce on a big enough 1595 01:19:27,960 --> 01:19:30,479 Speaker 1: food source where they kind of just they keep their 1596 01:19:30,680 --> 01:19:33,519 Speaker 1: comfortable distance. But you see that like I I saw 1597 01:19:33,560 --> 01:19:35,640 Speaker 1: that I had I owned a little property here in 1598 01:19:35,680 --> 01:19:37,599 Speaker 1: the cities that I sold a couple of years ago, 1599 01:19:37,640 --> 01:19:39,720 Speaker 1: but I had like one little kill plot I put 1600 01:19:39,760 --> 01:19:43,479 Speaker 1: in there, and there was one great, big old doll 1601 01:19:43,640 --> 01:19:46,040 Speaker 1: that kind of claimed it, and she would you know, 1602 01:19:46,080 --> 01:19:48,280 Speaker 1: I get pictures of her like pushing little bucks and 1603 01:19:48,320 --> 01:19:50,960 Speaker 1: stuff off there. And one year I'm like, I'm gonna 1604 01:19:51,040 --> 01:19:55,240 Speaker 1: kill that, like this is getting personal now, and she 1605 01:19:55,479 --> 01:19:58,720 Speaker 1: busted me stands blinds. It didn't matter. I couldn't kill her. 1606 01:19:58,880 --> 01:20:01,280 Speaker 1: Like I'd go in there it was. It was. It 1607 01:20:01,360 --> 01:20:03,680 Speaker 1: was actually really fun because it was like I have 1608 01:20:03,720 --> 01:20:05,760 Speaker 1: a hit list of one freaking dough. There's no box 1609 01:20:05,800 --> 01:20:07,920 Speaker 1: in there, hardly, you know. And I couldn't kill her, 1610 01:20:08,640 --> 01:20:10,880 Speaker 1: but I would get pictures of her, and I saw 1611 01:20:10,920 --> 01:20:14,880 Speaker 1: her at times push other dos off, and I think, 1612 01:20:15,479 --> 01:20:17,680 Speaker 1: you know, and you hear this, and I've seen this 1613 01:20:17,720 --> 01:20:19,479 Speaker 1: down in Texas, like when you sit over a feeder, 1614 01:20:19,800 --> 01:20:22,599 Speaker 1: when you have a little, tiny, concentrated food source, then 1615 01:20:22,600 --> 01:20:24,400 Speaker 1: all of a sudden you see that nastiness come out, 1616 01:20:24,439 --> 01:20:27,599 Speaker 1: because it's just like the urge to get getting under 1617 01:20:27,640 --> 01:20:31,000 Speaker 1: each other's guard is way bigger. There's there's more at stake, 1618 01:20:31,560 --> 01:20:34,400 Speaker 1: and so you see that play out. But they're freaking 1619 01:20:34,520 --> 01:20:38,559 Speaker 1: nasty man, and they they are territorial, Yeah, those old 1620 01:20:38,600 --> 01:20:41,479 Speaker 1: those are And and we have that that dough that 1621 01:20:41,800 --> 01:20:44,400 Speaker 1: that beat up that younger dough. I assume it's the 1622 01:20:44,439 --> 01:20:46,200 Speaker 1: same dear. But we have drunk cab of pictures of 1623 01:20:46,240 --> 01:20:48,559 Speaker 1: her throughout the years, and I have no idea how 1624 01:20:48,600 --> 01:20:51,599 Speaker 1: old that dear is. We've we've kind of not shot her. 1625 01:20:51,680 --> 01:20:53,720 Speaker 1: I don't know why. My my dad said one year 1626 01:20:53,760 --> 01:20:55,920 Speaker 1: that things like this just not sure because she always 1627 01:20:55,960 --> 01:20:58,960 Speaker 1: dropped two ponds and so like let her go, but yeah, 1628 01:20:58,960 --> 01:21:02,400 Speaker 1: she definitely had full rein over that section of the farm. 1629 01:21:02,520 --> 01:21:06,720 Speaker 1: So um, it's it's just kind of cool, and it's 1630 01:21:07,479 --> 01:21:10,519 Speaker 1: it's weird how those those aren't afraid to come out 1631 01:21:10,600 --> 01:21:12,200 Speaker 1: like in a food pot like that during the day 1632 01:21:12,200 --> 01:21:15,519 Speaker 1: of that stuff. But how quickly, uh they can pick 1633 01:21:15,560 --> 01:21:17,599 Speaker 1: off when like you're there in a true standing grab 1634 01:21:17,640 --> 01:21:20,160 Speaker 1: bline something that's crazy to me. How easy that they 1635 01:21:20,160 --> 01:21:23,400 Speaker 1: pick up on stuff like that. Well, I I honestly 1636 01:21:23,479 --> 01:21:27,240 Speaker 1: think we we talk about bucks like they're supernatural. I'm like, man, 1637 01:21:27,560 --> 01:21:29,400 Speaker 1: give me an old dough with a couple of fonds 1638 01:21:29,479 --> 01:21:32,080 Speaker 1: and she's gonna kick your ass like she's she's on 1639 01:21:32,120 --> 01:21:35,280 Speaker 1: her a game. And when the thing about big Bucks 1640 01:21:35,280 --> 01:21:37,680 Speaker 1: and a lot of times when you see them is 1641 01:21:37,920 --> 01:21:40,080 Speaker 1: they're just cruising through like their king of the world 1642 01:21:40,400 --> 01:21:42,840 Speaker 1: and they're not that cag A lot of times, even 1643 01:21:42,880 --> 01:21:45,640 Speaker 1: on public land, they just don't put themselves in a 1644 01:21:45,680 --> 01:21:49,120 Speaker 1: position where they're moving in daylight a ton. Yeah, yeah, 1645 01:21:49,240 --> 01:21:51,680 Speaker 1: I would agree with that, and some people will, so 1646 01:21:51,800 --> 01:21:53,720 Speaker 1: you're crazy for saying that, But I have noticed that 1647 01:21:53,760 --> 01:21:57,320 Speaker 1: out if if they're not pressured like some of the 1648 01:21:57,320 --> 01:22:00,320 Speaker 1: bigger bucks, that I've taken shots off and killed. Yeah, 1649 01:22:00,320 --> 01:22:02,719 Speaker 1: they're just mozing through the whether they're not moving quietly, 1650 01:22:02,840 --> 01:22:04,519 Speaker 1: like you can hear of coming and it's like, yeah, 1651 01:22:04,560 --> 01:22:06,639 Speaker 1: I know that's going to be a buck, and it's 1652 01:22:06,680 --> 01:22:08,960 Speaker 1: like they don't care, Like the does will sneak up 1653 01:22:08,960 --> 01:22:10,479 Speaker 1: on your like, oh, I don't know where she came from, 1654 01:22:10,479 --> 01:22:12,640 Speaker 1: but that buck will be dragging his feet, making all 1655 01:22:12,720 --> 01:22:15,800 Speaker 1: kinds of noise, like like if they're unpressured that I 1656 01:22:15,800 --> 01:22:17,720 Speaker 1: don't know if it's I don't know if it's this 1657 01:22:17,800 --> 01:22:20,400 Speaker 1: their attitude or mentality, but yeah, they feel like they 1658 01:22:20,400 --> 01:22:22,960 Speaker 1: can do whatever they want and they're kind of mozying along, 1659 01:22:23,000 --> 01:22:26,640 Speaker 1: and uh, that's that's useful. There our advantage for in 1660 01:22:26,680 --> 01:22:29,320 Speaker 1: the right spot. So well, I that's one of the 1661 01:22:29,320 --> 01:22:34,360 Speaker 1: reasons why it drives me absolutely nuts when people will 1662 01:22:34,400 --> 01:22:36,560 Speaker 1: be like, oh, you know, why would you shoot a 1663 01:22:36,600 --> 01:22:38,640 Speaker 1: dough in October? Just go kill one on a you know, 1664 01:22:38,720 --> 01:22:42,040 Speaker 1: in December, And I'm like, you do realize that everybody's 1665 01:22:42,120 --> 01:22:45,719 Speaker 1: hunting situations different. Yeah, not everybody has a food plot 1666 01:22:45,760 --> 01:22:48,200 Speaker 1: to go kill you know, a bunch of doughs in 1667 01:22:48,240 --> 01:22:52,479 Speaker 1: December easily, Like I have situations. I mean, one of 1668 01:22:52,479 --> 01:22:55,880 Speaker 1: the biggest hunting challenges I've run into is killing big 1669 01:22:55,960 --> 01:23:00,559 Speaker 1: woods does like in northern Wisconsin. I and I've talked 1670 01:23:00,560 --> 01:23:02,880 Speaker 1: about this a whole bunch, but I get busted on 1671 01:23:02,920 --> 01:23:06,360 Speaker 1: those deer every time I draw them, Like they are 1672 01:23:06,439 --> 01:23:08,559 Speaker 1: just on me. It doesn't matter how high I am 1673 01:23:08,560 --> 01:23:11,040 Speaker 1: in the tree, if I'm hiding on the ground, It's 1674 01:23:11,080 --> 01:23:13,240 Speaker 1: like I just count on that because they are on 1675 01:23:13,280 --> 01:23:15,479 Speaker 1: their A games so much. And I'll have times where 1676 01:23:15,840 --> 01:23:18,519 Speaker 1: I'll be like, any deer that gets within rain, any 1677 01:23:18,520 --> 01:23:21,000 Speaker 1: dough that gets within range in the next month is 1678 01:23:21,040 --> 01:23:24,040 Speaker 1: in trouble, and I will struggle to get a shot, 1679 01:23:24,439 --> 01:23:27,879 Speaker 1: and I'm like, this is freaking nuts, Like it shouldn't 1680 01:23:27,920 --> 01:23:30,519 Speaker 1: be this hard. But we sort of undersell that because 1681 01:23:30,520 --> 01:23:32,519 Speaker 1: we every dough is kind of the same to us, 1682 01:23:33,120 --> 01:23:35,880 Speaker 1: and we've we've really pushed this message that there's not 1683 01:23:36,040 --> 01:23:39,040 Speaker 1: much challenge in that, and I'm like, man, this is 1684 01:23:39,280 --> 01:23:41,920 Speaker 1: entirely dependent on your experience level and the places you're 1685 01:23:41,960 --> 01:23:45,559 Speaker 1: hunting these deer. Yeah, it definitely is. That would be 1686 01:23:45,600 --> 01:23:47,639 Speaker 1: a fun new challenge go out and try to shoot 1687 01:23:47,960 --> 01:23:50,960 Speaker 1: like the biggest dough off of property, because I bet 1688 01:23:51,600 --> 01:23:54,080 Speaker 1: that would people were challenging the biggest buck on the property. 1689 01:23:54,120 --> 01:23:58,479 Speaker 1: They're they're pretty kg. Uh and especially like you said, 1690 01:23:58,520 --> 01:24:01,280 Speaker 1: the big woods, I get busted drawing of time. Last year, 1691 01:24:01,280 --> 01:24:03,080 Speaker 1: I got smart and tried to set up more with 1692 01:24:03,160 --> 01:24:05,000 Speaker 1: the sun at my back where I thought I would 1693 01:24:05,040 --> 01:24:07,160 Speaker 1: get a shot, which was actually turned out to be 1694 01:24:07,200 --> 01:24:09,880 Speaker 1: really well because they can't see anything except for bright sun, 1695 01:24:09,920 --> 01:24:12,200 Speaker 1: so that worked out. Or I'll let them walk past 1696 01:24:12,240 --> 01:24:14,840 Speaker 1: me now, because there's no way on a mature do 1697 01:24:15,000 --> 01:24:17,639 Speaker 1: like that you can get drawn. If she's like even 1698 01:24:17,640 --> 01:24:19,519 Speaker 1: a head down anything, it's like she will pick you 1699 01:24:19,600 --> 01:24:22,519 Speaker 1: up immediately. So she let him get past you a 1700 01:24:22,560 --> 01:24:25,479 Speaker 1: little bit, you can get away a little more. But uh, 1701 01:24:25,680 --> 01:24:29,679 Speaker 1: but yeah there they're pretty kg. Yeah they I had. 1702 01:24:30,800 --> 01:24:34,880 Speaker 1: I think it was probably like I was hunted over 1703 01:24:34,920 --> 01:24:37,840 Speaker 1: in northern Wisconsin a lot, and I was hunting for bucks, 1704 01:24:37,840 --> 01:24:41,439 Speaker 1: and I was hunting for one dough and I was 1705 01:24:41,600 --> 01:24:43,920 Speaker 1: I was over there during the rut, or you know, 1706 01:24:43,960 --> 01:24:46,280 Speaker 1: like first week in November, after hunting a whole bunch 1707 01:24:46,280 --> 01:24:50,400 Speaker 1: in September and October and hadn't killed a thing, and 1708 01:24:50,640 --> 01:24:54,479 Speaker 1: I finally killed a doe over there. I was set 1709 01:24:54,560 --> 01:24:56,800 Speaker 1: up in this spot on this chunk of public land, 1710 01:24:56,880 --> 01:24:59,599 Speaker 1: and I heard him coming up out of this valley 1711 01:24:59,640 --> 01:25:03,000 Speaker 1: below me. And it was the earliest I've ever drawn. 1712 01:25:03,240 --> 01:25:04,519 Speaker 1: You know, people are always like cool. It was a 1713 01:25:04,640 --> 01:25:07,280 Speaker 1: full draw for like three minutes. It wasn't that long, 1714 01:25:07,400 --> 01:25:09,519 Speaker 1: but it was as long as I've ever been drawn 1715 01:25:09,600 --> 01:25:12,280 Speaker 1: on anything. Because I heard the track. I knew where 1716 01:25:12,280 --> 01:25:13,559 Speaker 1: they were going to come out. I heard a trail 1717 01:25:13,640 --> 01:25:15,040 Speaker 1: she was on, and I could hear it was sounded 1718 01:25:15,080 --> 01:25:16,760 Speaker 1: like two of them. And I'm like, if this is 1719 01:25:16,760 --> 01:25:18,280 Speaker 1: a buck, I'm shooting him. If it's a dough, I'm 1720 01:25:18,280 --> 01:25:21,519 Speaker 1: shooting him. So I'm just getting drawn. And that deer 1721 01:25:21,560 --> 01:25:23,840 Speaker 1: walked out and she cleared that tree in front of 1722 01:25:23,840 --> 01:25:25,320 Speaker 1: me and looked right up at me. But I was 1723 01:25:25,360 --> 01:25:28,439 Speaker 1: already drawn, and I thumped her. But it was like 1724 01:25:28,760 --> 01:25:30,640 Speaker 1: Jesus Christ, can you guys like not give me a 1725 01:25:30,640 --> 01:25:33,320 Speaker 1: break here? And you know, when you when you do 1726 01:25:33,360 --> 01:25:36,120 Speaker 1: stuff like that, I think I think it's the same 1727 01:25:36,200 --> 01:25:39,680 Speaker 1: thing as you know, picking up that long bow or 1728 01:25:39,760 --> 01:25:41,720 Speaker 1: going from the private farm to the public farm. Like 1729 01:25:41,960 --> 01:25:43,920 Speaker 1: what you think you know and what you actually know 1730 01:25:43,960 --> 01:25:46,759 Speaker 1: about deer are different. And the more you do stuff 1731 01:25:46,760 --> 01:25:48,519 Speaker 1: like that, or you're just like you know, if you 1732 01:25:48,600 --> 01:25:51,000 Speaker 1: if you're kind of dismissive about doze because you could 1733 01:25:51,040 --> 01:25:52,560 Speaker 1: kill them all day long on your food plot on 1734 01:25:52,600 --> 01:25:54,360 Speaker 1: your farm. Go down the road and try to kill 1735 01:25:54,360 --> 01:25:56,439 Speaker 1: one on public land. Like you'll learn a lot about 1736 01:25:56,439 --> 01:25:59,439 Speaker 1: yourself and a lot about deer. It's not easy, yeah, 1737 01:26:00,160 --> 01:26:03,200 Speaker 1: not easy. It's it's a fun challenge. Check any any 1738 01:26:03,240 --> 01:26:05,600 Speaker 1: deer on publicly and that I always tell people that 1739 01:26:05,760 --> 01:26:09,080 Speaker 1: it's like it's it's a great accomplishment because with with 1740 01:26:09,280 --> 01:26:11,559 Speaker 1: archer gear the rifle, you can get more lucky. But 1741 01:26:12,160 --> 01:26:15,679 Speaker 1: um yeah, it's it's a different ballgame. They're they're used 1742 01:26:15,680 --> 01:26:18,160 Speaker 1: to being hunted. They're used to having that pressure, and 1743 01:26:18,200 --> 01:26:20,080 Speaker 1: they learned how to how to react to it, how 1744 01:26:20,080 --> 01:26:22,880 Speaker 1: to survive, and it makes them more wary. They're walking 1745 01:26:22,920 --> 01:26:25,320 Speaker 1: around looking for danger more often than like on the 1746 01:26:25,360 --> 01:26:27,160 Speaker 1: private farms. We make a really big deal about not 1747 01:26:27,240 --> 01:26:30,360 Speaker 1: pressuring our deal dear. So it's like they're not pressured, 1748 01:26:30,760 --> 01:26:34,720 Speaker 1: so they're not not constantly looking for dinner until you know, 1749 01:26:34,840 --> 01:26:36,639 Speaker 1: later on in the season and they get that way. 1750 01:26:36,680 --> 01:26:40,680 Speaker 1: But um yeah, those those publicly and deer go through 1751 01:26:40,720 --> 01:26:42,680 Speaker 1: a lot to survive each year, if you think about it, 1752 01:26:42,720 --> 01:26:45,040 Speaker 1: and so it's like they're definitely they're definitely more in 1753 01:26:45,080 --> 01:26:47,599 Speaker 1: the game. I guess it seems like yeah, and it's 1754 01:26:47,680 --> 01:26:49,920 Speaker 1: you know, I mean, the pressure thing is everything. I 1755 01:26:49,960 --> 01:26:53,800 Speaker 1: mean it the way that we figured out how to 1756 01:26:53,840 --> 01:26:56,960 Speaker 1: hack the deer herd and not pressure them is it 1757 01:26:57,080 --> 01:26:59,559 Speaker 1: is a game changer, like managing a property in that 1758 01:26:59,600 --> 01:27:03,840 Speaker 1: pressure and it's it's the best route, too easy deer hunting, 1759 01:27:03,880 --> 01:27:06,720 Speaker 1: like we've we know that, like and it's people love 1760 01:27:06,760 --> 01:27:08,599 Speaker 1: it and it's fun and whatever, go nuts for doughnuts. 1761 01:27:08,640 --> 01:27:12,040 Speaker 1: But when you go hunt where you know not only 1762 01:27:12,560 --> 01:27:16,000 Speaker 1: The one thing that I've noticed is when you get 1763 01:27:16,040 --> 01:27:20,400 Speaker 1: on really pressured deer, it's bad enough. Then if you 1764 01:27:20,400 --> 01:27:23,719 Speaker 1: get around a bunch of predators, and not just us, 1765 01:27:23,760 --> 01:27:26,680 Speaker 1: but the four legged predators, it just feels like it 1766 01:27:26,720 --> 01:27:29,800 Speaker 1: gets that much harder and you just realize, like this 1767 01:27:29,880 --> 01:27:32,719 Speaker 1: is the thing, this is the driving force, Like there 1768 01:27:33,320 --> 01:27:37,960 Speaker 1: their awareness that at any second something can kill them 1769 01:27:38,160 --> 01:27:41,639 Speaker 1: is the thing that makes it really difficult. And when 1770 01:27:41,640 --> 01:27:44,960 Speaker 1: you trick them into thinking nothing's gonna kill me, because 1771 01:27:44,960 --> 01:27:46,760 Speaker 1: I've walked out here for the last five and a 1772 01:27:46,800 --> 01:27:49,080 Speaker 1: half years and it's all been peachy keen, and I 1773 01:27:49,080 --> 01:27:51,880 Speaker 1: could eat these brassicas in this clover without getting shot. 1774 01:27:52,400 --> 01:27:54,200 Speaker 1: Then you get them in a different position. But when 1775 01:27:54,200 --> 01:27:56,120 Speaker 1: those deer are you know, three and a half, four 1776 01:27:56,120 --> 01:27:57,519 Speaker 1: and a half, five and a half, and they're like, 1777 01:27:58,120 --> 01:27:59,800 Speaker 1: not only do I have all these assholes up in 1778 01:27:59,800 --> 01:28:03,639 Speaker 1: these tree saddles and these stands, I got bears eating 1779 01:28:03,760 --> 01:28:06,639 Speaker 1: fawns when they're little, and I've got bobcats, I got coyotes, 1780 01:28:06,640 --> 01:28:08,760 Speaker 1: and i got wolves like you're talking about deer that 1781 01:28:08,760 --> 01:28:13,080 Speaker 1: are hard to kill. Yeah, yeah, and um, actually thankful 1782 01:28:13,120 --> 01:28:14,880 Speaker 1: I don't live up where you do, so I don't 1783 01:28:14,880 --> 01:28:17,519 Speaker 1: have We occasionally have black bears around here, but like 1784 01:28:17,720 --> 01:28:20,280 Speaker 1: very rarely and definitely don't have wolves. So it's it's 1785 01:28:20,320 --> 01:28:23,799 Speaker 1: kind of cats, but they they do some damage on fonds. 1786 01:28:23,800 --> 01:28:28,000 Speaker 1: So um, I'm thankful I don't have the extra added 1787 01:28:28,080 --> 01:28:32,639 Speaker 1: challenge to extra predators putting pressure on my dear as well. 1788 01:28:33,120 --> 01:28:35,240 Speaker 1: That's that's gotta be hard with the black bears and 1789 01:28:35,280 --> 01:28:38,000 Speaker 1: the wolves now here. So it's it just changes it. 1790 01:28:38,040 --> 01:28:40,800 Speaker 1: I mean, most of it is like a fawn recruitment issue, right, 1791 01:28:40,800 --> 01:28:43,960 Speaker 1: Like when you talk about black bears, they're phenomenal at 1792 01:28:44,120 --> 01:28:46,679 Speaker 1: finding fonts and eating them. So there's a short window 1793 01:28:46,720 --> 01:28:50,880 Speaker 1: where black bears are they there? You know, seriously, bad 1794 01:28:50,880 --> 01:28:54,080 Speaker 1: predators on deer, but it's like fawns of you know, 1795 01:28:54,240 --> 01:28:56,920 Speaker 1: from when they dropped to however, you know, two months 1796 01:28:56,920 --> 01:28:59,240 Speaker 1: old or whatever it is. It's not very long, but 1797 01:28:59,280 --> 01:29:01,240 Speaker 1: they do a ton of damage in that time frame. 1798 01:29:01,600 --> 01:29:04,559 Speaker 1: And then you know, now with like bobcats, you can 1799 01:29:04,600 --> 01:29:07,599 Speaker 1: see videos of bobcats killing full sized deer in places, 1800 01:29:07,720 --> 01:29:11,160 Speaker 1: which is crazy because they're not that big, but they're 1801 01:29:11,160 --> 01:29:17,120 Speaker 1: not cats. Yeah, those videos are crazy. Yeah. Uh. And 1802 01:29:17,160 --> 01:29:20,880 Speaker 1: I had a cameras and when I used to work 1803 01:29:20,920 --> 01:29:23,799 Speaker 1: with Bush now had cameras in Kansas and we actually 1804 01:29:23,800 --> 01:29:28,960 Speaker 1: had pictures of bobcat running down an adult dough And 1805 01:29:29,000 --> 01:29:31,479 Speaker 1: then the next spring we had pictures accident. I think 1806 01:29:31,520 --> 01:29:33,200 Speaker 1: it might have been in the same creek bit, but 1807 01:29:33,400 --> 01:29:35,800 Speaker 1: a bobcat that ran up and grabbed a pawn in 1808 01:29:35,840 --> 01:29:38,839 Speaker 1: the The dough actually was like stomping on the bobcat 1809 01:29:38,920 --> 01:29:41,599 Speaker 1: and the pawn both, but the vodio the video cut out, 1810 01:29:41,640 --> 01:29:44,200 Speaker 1: so I don't know what actually ended up happening there. 1811 01:29:44,240 --> 01:29:47,639 Speaker 1: But yeah, bobcats are I think they get a little 1812 01:29:47,640 --> 01:29:50,600 Speaker 1: bit dismissed as bond killers, but they'll take down a 1813 01:29:50,640 --> 01:29:54,479 Speaker 1: full deer if they need to. Yeah, I've got we 1814 01:29:54,600 --> 01:29:58,200 Speaker 1: we have a healthy population of bobcats over where I 1815 01:29:58,240 --> 01:30:02,439 Speaker 1: hunt Wisconsin, and I've seen a few. Uh. I actually 1816 01:30:02,479 --> 01:30:04,479 Speaker 1: had one walk right up on me last year when 1817 01:30:04,479 --> 01:30:06,200 Speaker 1: I was on the ground. I actually heard him purring 1818 01:30:06,439 --> 01:30:09,400 Speaker 1: or her, I know it was her, uh before I 1819 01:30:09,400 --> 01:30:11,280 Speaker 1: saw it was that close. It was like six ft 1820 01:30:11,320 --> 01:30:14,240 Speaker 1: away from me. And I'm sitting there and like, you know, 1821 01:30:14,360 --> 01:30:17,400 Speaker 1: in your reptile brain, you hear this noise and you're like, God, 1822 01:30:17,400 --> 01:30:19,800 Speaker 1: that sounded like a cat purring, you know, but You're like, 1823 01:30:20,200 --> 01:30:23,200 Speaker 1: there's no cats around me. This is stupid. And then 1824 01:30:23,200 --> 01:30:26,400 Speaker 1: this sucker walked out right in front of me, and 1825 01:30:26,479 --> 01:30:29,800 Speaker 1: she was actually I think she was so surprised that 1826 01:30:29,880 --> 01:30:31,880 Speaker 1: I was that close that she did spook right away, 1827 01:30:31,880 --> 01:30:34,439 Speaker 1: because I've had other ones walk out and you know, 1828 01:30:34,520 --> 01:30:37,720 Speaker 1: like way far away, and they'll sit down and look 1829 01:30:37,800 --> 01:30:39,880 Speaker 1: up at you like I know you're there, I see you, 1830 01:30:40,280 --> 01:30:42,040 Speaker 1: and you're like, man, I've had deer walk by me 1831 01:30:42,080 --> 01:30:45,960 Speaker 1: here like crazy. It's their incredible animals. And then you know, 1832 01:30:46,000 --> 01:30:49,280 Speaker 1: when you get when you get into the wolf situation, uh, 1833 01:30:50,040 --> 01:30:54,160 Speaker 1: they those suckers swing through and it's just not much 1834 01:30:54,200 --> 01:31:01,200 Speaker 1: fun for a while. Usually there's like no way around that. Yeah, No, 1835 01:31:01,560 --> 01:31:04,720 Speaker 1: they do do some damage whether they're there. It's I 1836 01:31:04,760 --> 01:31:06,479 Speaker 1: don't know how big a territory they have it is. 1837 01:31:07,160 --> 01:31:09,439 Speaker 1: It's kind of nice that they don't like stay in 1838 01:31:09,439 --> 01:31:11,400 Speaker 1: the same place all the time. They do kind of move. 1839 01:31:11,479 --> 01:31:14,400 Speaker 1: But yeah, they they do some damage when they come here. 1840 01:31:15,439 --> 01:31:18,599 Speaker 1: They just at least in my experience and I've been 1841 01:31:18,640 --> 01:31:22,880 Speaker 1: around him quite a bit, it's yes, they're freaking taking 1842 01:31:22,960 --> 01:31:25,720 Speaker 1: deer and elk and everything off the landscape, but they 1843 01:31:25,840 --> 01:31:28,719 Speaker 1: also just change the behavior of the deer. It feels 1844 01:31:28,720 --> 01:31:31,000 Speaker 1: like a lot like if you have a pack swing through, 1845 01:31:31,560 --> 01:31:34,120 Speaker 1: it just feels like a UFO came down and sucked 1846 01:31:34,160 --> 01:31:36,120 Speaker 1: up all your deer and took them somewhere else because 1847 01:31:36,120 --> 01:31:39,840 Speaker 1: they're just like screw this, like whatever whatever they're doing 1848 01:31:39,880 --> 01:31:42,160 Speaker 1: in response to those predators and anybody listening to this 1849 01:31:42,160 --> 01:31:44,880 Speaker 1: who's hunted elk where the wolves that really take hold 1850 01:31:44,920 --> 01:31:48,559 Speaker 1: nose like it freaking sucks, Like it's just it it 1851 01:31:48,680 --> 01:31:51,720 Speaker 1: makes it changes the game in a way that's just 1852 01:31:52,360 --> 01:31:57,280 Speaker 1: it's not much fun. Yeah, and it's it's not even 1853 01:31:57,800 --> 01:31:59,680 Speaker 1: just the deer and elk that they kill, but that 1854 01:31:59,760 --> 01:32:01,599 Speaker 1: I'm out of stress they put on the herd because 1855 01:32:02,160 --> 01:32:04,720 Speaker 1: deer aren't gonna come out and in the open. They're 1856 01:32:04,720 --> 01:32:07,439 Speaker 1: gonna stay in the cover, like they're not gonna go feed. 1857 01:32:07,520 --> 01:32:10,320 Speaker 1: They're gonna stay or they know they're not gonna get eaten, 1858 01:32:10,720 --> 01:32:13,080 Speaker 1: and so they're it's just so much stress and stuff 1859 01:32:13,120 --> 01:32:14,840 Speaker 1: on the deer herd. But when you have a pack 1860 01:32:14,840 --> 01:32:19,120 Speaker 1: of wolves comes here. But yeah, it's it's definitely an 1861 01:32:19,120 --> 01:32:21,599 Speaker 1: added challenge for you there. Yeah, it's just more pressure. 1862 01:32:22,120 --> 01:32:25,519 Speaker 1: It's just more hunting pressure of a different variety. Um, Zach, 1863 01:32:25,760 --> 01:32:28,200 Speaker 1: this this has been so much fun, buddy. It's always 1864 01:32:28,320 --> 01:32:30,960 Speaker 1: it's always great to chat with you. Um. I can't 1865 01:32:30,960 --> 01:32:35,200 Speaker 1: wait to hear about all of your longbow successes fall 1866 01:32:35,400 --> 01:32:37,360 Speaker 1: and and see what you kill on public land there. 1867 01:32:37,720 --> 01:32:41,320 Speaker 1: But honestly, buddy, thank you so much for coming on. Man. Yeah, 1868 01:32:41,360 --> 01:32:44,400 Speaker 1: thanks Tony for having me. And that's always good being 1869 01:32:44,439 --> 01:32:46,960 Speaker 1: on with you. A good seeing you and best of 1870 01:32:47,040 --> 01:32:49,920 Speaker 1: luck to you this fall as well. Hopefully one of 1871 01:32:50,000 --> 01:32:51,720 Speaker 1: us has some good stories coming out of this ball 1872 01:32:51,760 --> 01:32:55,080 Speaker 1: so well we will, buddy. Thanks man. All right, Thanks Tony. 1873 01:32:55,560 --> 01:32:57,719 Speaker 1: That's it for this week, my white tail loving friends. 1874 01:32:57,760 --> 01:33:00,559 Speaker 1: I'm Tony Peterson and this has been wired to hunt 1875 01:33:00,880 --> 01:33:04,320 Speaker 1: for more white tail info check out my Foundations podcast, 1876 01:33:04,360 --> 01:33:06,800 Speaker 1: which is available right where you got this one, and 1877 01:33:06,920 --> 01:33:09,160 Speaker 1: check out our wire to Hunt YouTube channel. 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