1 00:00:00,480 --> 00:00:03,200 Speaker 1: Thanks for listening to The Odd Couple podcast. Be sure 2 00:00:03,240 --> 00:00:06,680 Speaker 1: to check us out live every weekday from seven pm 3 00:00:06,760 --> 00:00:10,640 Speaker 1: to ten pm Eastern four to seven Pacific on Fox 4 00:00:10,680 --> 00:00:14,320 Speaker 1: Sports Radio. Find your local station for The Odd Couple 5 00:00:14,360 --> 00:00:18,080 Speaker 1: at Foxsports Radio dot com or stream us live every 6 00:00:18,200 --> 00:00:22,000 Speaker 1: day on the iHeartRadio app by searching FSR. 7 00:00:24,520 --> 00:00:27,560 Speaker 2: This putties you're listening to Fox Sports Radio. 8 00:00:31,120 --> 00:00:33,000 Speaker 3: That's right, it is The Odd Couple. 9 00:00:33,080 --> 00:00:37,720 Speaker 4: Kevin Washington, Marvin Washington and for Rob Parker, Rob on 10 00:00:37,840 --> 00:00:40,159 Speaker 4: Vak and we still have a lot to do in 11 00:00:40,200 --> 00:00:43,120 Speaker 4: this last hour as well, so appreciate you for rocking 12 00:00:43,159 --> 00:00:44,199 Speaker 4: with your boys. 13 00:00:44,240 --> 00:00:46,360 Speaker 3: Martin Weiss hit them up on socials. 14 00:00:46,479 --> 00:00:50,479 Speaker 4: Also, I couple FSR kterb live for myself, and be 15 00:00:50,520 --> 00:00:52,640 Speaker 4: sure to check out the Fox Sports Radio YouTube channel. 16 00:00:52,720 --> 00:00:55,040 Speaker 4: Just search Fox Sports Radio on YouTube and you'll see 17 00:00:55,080 --> 00:00:56,960 Speaker 4: a whole bunch of video highlights from our shows. Be 18 00:00:57,000 --> 00:00:59,600 Speaker 4: sure to subscribe so you never miss our very best 19 00:00:59,640 --> 00:01:04,320 Speaker 4: Fox Towards Radio videos on YouTube as well, And thank 20 00:01:04,319 --> 00:01:06,520 Speaker 4: you everybody who goes YouTube. Man, we get some We 21 00:01:06,600 --> 00:01:08,480 Speaker 4: do pretty well on there to Couple Robin I, so 22 00:01:08,560 --> 00:01:10,800 Speaker 4: make sure you uh support it. Give us five stars 23 00:01:10,800 --> 00:01:13,280 Speaker 4: on review as well. Martin Man there's been a lot 24 00:01:13,280 --> 00:01:15,640 Speaker 4: of some movement in the NBA. Again, nothing is official. 25 00:01:15,680 --> 00:01:18,520 Speaker 4: We know can be official for another uh, like ten eleven, 26 00:01:18,560 --> 00:01:19,160 Speaker 4: twelve days. 27 00:01:19,240 --> 00:01:22,320 Speaker 5: Yeah, it's like the yellow line. Yeah, not official. It's 28 00:01:22,360 --> 00:01:23,720 Speaker 5: not official. Uh. 29 00:01:23,760 --> 00:01:26,759 Speaker 4: And we have the the draft coming up tomorrow. 30 00:01:26,800 --> 00:01:27,759 Speaker 3: But there have been some moves. 31 00:01:27,800 --> 00:01:30,039 Speaker 4: If for whatever reasons, you were locked into work, couldn't 32 00:01:30,080 --> 00:01:31,960 Speaker 4: do it, you had a recital for your kids and something. 33 00:01:32,240 --> 00:01:37,679 Speaker 4: Christoph Porzingis is now in Atlanta Hawk. We have CJ 34 00:01:37,840 --> 00:01:39,520 Speaker 4: McCullum on the move for also I missing It's been 35 00:01:39,520 --> 00:01:40,080 Speaker 4: so many CJ. 36 00:01:40,200 --> 00:01:43,440 Speaker 5: McCollum went from the Pelicans to the Wizards in exchange 37 00:01:43,440 --> 00:01:46,480 Speaker 5: for Jordan Poole the Headliners Jordan Poole. 38 00:01:47,000 --> 00:01:48,920 Speaker 3: Huh, why did they want Jordan Poole? What did I 39 00:01:48,920 --> 00:01:49,400 Speaker 3: miss something? 40 00:01:49,800 --> 00:01:50,320 Speaker 5: You know what? 41 00:01:50,600 --> 00:01:54,080 Speaker 3: Don't don't don't get me started here. We'll get started 42 00:01:54,080 --> 00:01:54,520 Speaker 3: a little bit. 43 00:01:55,160 --> 00:01:56,720 Speaker 4: We'll have more on this on the trade stuff a 44 00:01:56,720 --> 00:02:00,800 Speaker 4: little bit later on the show Pool just waste of talent. 45 00:02:01,720 --> 00:02:09,320 Speaker 5: No, Jordan Poole was a reckless at times contributor to 46 00:02:09,360 --> 00:02:12,720 Speaker 5: a team that was the championship contender, then got punched 47 00:02:12,720 --> 00:02:16,760 Speaker 5: in the face at work and instead of getting any 48 00:02:16,960 --> 00:02:21,280 Speaker 5: recourse of it, instead of having anybody say that was wrong, 49 00:02:21,400 --> 00:02:24,679 Speaker 5: I'm sorry that happened to you, or any punishment to 50 00:02:24,800 --> 00:02:27,520 Speaker 5: the man who punched him. It was his fault that 51 00:02:27,600 --> 00:02:29,840 Speaker 5: he deemed to be his fault that he got punched, 52 00:02:29,960 --> 00:02:31,679 Speaker 5: and then it was called everything but a child of 53 00:02:31,760 --> 00:02:34,240 Speaker 5: God because he didn't go fight the guy back. 54 00:02:34,320 --> 00:02:37,000 Speaker 3: And I understand that, like, yeah, you know, all right, man, 55 00:02:37,639 --> 00:02:40,240 Speaker 3: if somebody put me in the face, I hear the back. Yeah, 56 00:02:40,240 --> 00:02:41,200 Speaker 3: that's all well and good. 57 00:02:41,200 --> 00:02:43,800 Speaker 5: Go to work on Monday and you see, you see 58 00:02:43,800 --> 00:02:45,799 Speaker 5: your biggest enemy, Go punch him in the face, and 59 00:02:45,800 --> 00:02:46,720 Speaker 5: see who gets fired. 60 00:02:47,280 --> 00:02:49,680 Speaker 3: See you who gets fired? See what happens? And then 61 00:02:50,320 --> 00:02:51,000 Speaker 3: nothing happened. 62 00:02:51,000 --> 00:02:53,000 Speaker 5: That's why I tell everybody says, oh, Jordan Poole, what 63 00:02:53,040 --> 00:02:56,840 Speaker 5: happened to him? You go to work and get knocked 64 00:02:56,880 --> 00:02:59,520 Speaker 5: the f out and then go back the next day. 65 00:03:00,120 --> 00:03:03,679 Speaker 4: Everybody tell you your bad for not ducking Well, hold on, now, 66 00:03:03,760 --> 00:03:07,400 Speaker 4: I'm with you, except for what did he say? 67 00:03:08,040 --> 00:03:10,560 Speaker 3: I don't care. I'm just saying you know what you're saying. 68 00:03:10,560 --> 00:03:14,400 Speaker 5: He's saying, I get talk to me, do couple we 69 00:03:14,880 --> 00:03:16,480 Speaker 5: this is this is your coworker. 70 00:03:16,520 --> 00:03:18,680 Speaker 4: Brau jumped in the air with the punch Martin. That 71 00:03:18,840 --> 00:03:22,840 Speaker 4: was the cartoon Rogie. It wasn't a normal he jumped 72 00:03:23,520 --> 00:03:26,320 Speaker 4: to jump punch somebody when you already four inches taller 73 00:03:26,360 --> 00:03:28,560 Speaker 4: than him. You know how mad you gotta be to 74 00:03:28,760 --> 00:03:30,320 Speaker 4: jump punch someone shorter than you. 75 00:03:30,440 --> 00:03:32,120 Speaker 5: I don't know how mad he had to be, because 76 00:03:32,160 --> 00:03:34,560 Speaker 5: I've seen the person in question do a whole lot 77 00:03:34,600 --> 00:03:38,400 Speaker 5: worse with a whole lot less, and like it, just maybe, 78 00:03:38,560 --> 00:03:42,520 Speaker 5: just maybe, d Jordan Poole was a sacrifice at the 79 00:03:42,520 --> 00:03:44,680 Speaker 5: altar of the Draymond Green Hall of Fame. 80 00:03:44,720 --> 00:03:46,320 Speaker 4: And that's why the thirty for thirty is gonna be 81 00:03:46,360 --> 00:03:48,120 Speaker 4: lit when whenever that happened. 82 00:03:48,160 --> 00:03:50,280 Speaker 5: I just like Jordan Pool. 83 00:03:50,320 --> 00:03:53,280 Speaker 3: I watched his entire career in Michigan. He hit big 84 00:03:53,320 --> 00:03:55,920 Speaker 3: shots after big shots, and I get he was. He's 85 00:03:55,960 --> 00:03:57,560 Speaker 3: a goofy kid, and I get all of that. 86 00:03:57,720 --> 00:04:01,280 Speaker 5: Like, but again, like the idea that we just look 87 00:04:01,320 --> 00:04:03,200 Speaker 5: at Jordan Poole as a waste of space in the 88 00:04:03,320 --> 00:04:06,640 Speaker 5: NBA landscape, and I get that he did not necessarily 89 00:04:06,640 --> 00:04:09,760 Speaker 5: cover himself in glory in Washington, But I don't know, Man, 90 00:04:09,800 --> 00:04:11,840 Speaker 5: After I damn near got my jaw broke, I would 91 00:04:11,840 --> 00:04:13,080 Speaker 5: have a different attitude as well. 92 00:04:13,120 --> 00:04:13,440 Speaker 3: All right. 93 00:04:13,560 --> 00:04:15,680 Speaker 4: I'm glad he has a public defender because this man 94 00:04:15,880 --> 00:04:18,880 Speaker 4: the only I watched the low lights in Washington. I'm like, man, 95 00:04:18,920 --> 00:04:20,800 Speaker 4: that is some terrible basketball. And it ain't just him. 96 00:04:21,120 --> 00:04:23,360 Speaker 4: Kuzman was looking terrible out there. Everybody was looking terrible 97 00:04:23,360 --> 00:04:24,960 Speaker 4: out there in Washington. I don't know what they're doing, 98 00:04:24,960 --> 00:04:27,159 Speaker 4: can make any sense of that. So again, some trade, 99 00:04:27,200 --> 00:04:29,360 Speaker 4: some movement. We'll have more conversation on that a little 100 00:04:29,400 --> 00:04:30,480 Speaker 4: bit late to New. 101 00:04:30,400 --> 00:04:32,480 Speaker 3: Orleans, Jordan, but I'll tell you what you want to 102 00:04:32,480 --> 00:04:32,919 Speaker 3: talk about. 103 00:04:32,920 --> 00:04:34,200 Speaker 5: The real c J. 104 00:04:34,320 --> 00:04:36,799 Speaker 3: McCollum was stealing money from the Pelicans the last few years. 105 00:04:37,000 --> 00:04:40,160 Speaker 5: And it's him and Grant Williams just fault that we 106 00:04:40,240 --> 00:04:42,560 Speaker 5: had this whold Grant Williams in the first Grant Williams 107 00:04:42,640 --> 00:04:45,159 Speaker 5: hard cap, second Aprin in the first dog all place. 108 00:04:45,320 --> 00:04:47,120 Speaker 5: So that's really all your fault. C J. 109 00:04:47,279 --> 00:04:48,400 Speaker 3: McCollum, get out of town. 110 00:04:48,440 --> 00:04:52,160 Speaker 4: He did become the new Rudy Gay, where everybody was like, man, 111 00:04:52,200 --> 00:04:54,599 Speaker 4: if they just had Rudy Gay, remember that era. You 112 00:04:54,640 --> 00:04:56,200 Speaker 4: know who else is in that you mentioned him earlier 113 00:04:56,200 --> 00:04:58,800 Speaker 4: off air. Tobias Harris, another guy that man, if they 114 00:04:58,880 --> 00:05:02,520 Speaker 4: just had like a Tobias Harris guy man, if they 115 00:05:02,520 --> 00:05:05,359 Speaker 4: had like a Rudy gay man, if they had a CJ. 116 00:05:05,480 --> 00:05:08,120 Speaker 4: McCollum type guy, those type of guys you feel like 117 00:05:08,120 --> 00:05:09,880 Speaker 4: will change the course, and it ended up ends up 118 00:05:09,920 --> 00:05:13,479 Speaker 4: not being the case. Well, somebody who clearly changed the 119 00:05:13,560 --> 00:05:15,280 Speaker 4: case for a lot of team three of them. In fact, 120 00:05:15,279 --> 00:05:17,159 Speaker 4: he wouldn't won a championship for that. Lebron and he 121 00:05:17,160 --> 00:05:19,920 Speaker 4: had a lot to say about He has MVP four 122 00:05:20,000 --> 00:05:23,480 Speaker 4: MVPs and had the conversation with Steve national mini podcast 123 00:05:23,560 --> 00:05:26,480 Speaker 4: about what is the help me out, what's the criteria? 124 00:05:26,520 --> 00:05:28,760 Speaker 3: What are we doing? What isn't MVP. Here's what Bron 125 00:05:28,800 --> 00:05:29,159 Speaker 3: had to say. 126 00:05:29,279 --> 00:05:31,840 Speaker 6: It's changes. It's like, okay, so is it the is 127 00:05:31,880 --> 00:05:35,760 Speaker 6: it the best player? You know? Is it the is 128 00:05:35,760 --> 00:05:40,560 Speaker 6: it the player that had the best season with his team, 129 00:05:40,800 --> 00:05:43,479 Speaker 6: you know, maybe that's offensive player of the year, you know, 130 00:05:44,000 --> 00:05:47,880 Speaker 6: or is it the just simply the best player in 131 00:05:47,920 --> 00:05:50,400 Speaker 6: the league, like statistically was the best player of the 132 00:05:50,440 --> 00:05:53,440 Speaker 6: year league, you know, no matter, you know, obviously you're 133 00:05:53,440 --> 00:05:55,880 Speaker 6: not gonna have a guy in there that's like, doesn't 134 00:05:56,160 --> 00:05:59,680 Speaker 6: the team didn't come close to making the playoffs? Well obviously, 135 00:05:59,720 --> 00:06:02,159 Speaker 6: because if that's the case, then he's not the best player, 136 00:06:02,560 --> 00:06:05,880 Speaker 6: you know, but it's not the most valuable then. But 137 00:06:06,320 --> 00:06:09,680 Speaker 6: if it's I don't know, it's just it's just changes, 138 00:06:09,800 --> 00:06:10,760 Speaker 6: it changes too much. 139 00:06:11,960 --> 00:06:16,599 Speaker 5: I completely agree, and it is something that as somebody 140 00:06:16,600 --> 00:06:17,560 Speaker 5: who has worked in the. 141 00:06:17,560 --> 00:06:19,880 Speaker 3: National media since twenty fifteen. 142 00:06:20,120 --> 00:06:23,400 Speaker 5: I feel like I sometimes get gas lit by what 143 00:06:23,520 --> 00:06:27,479 Speaker 5: the conversation is on a yearly basis over how we 144 00:06:27,600 --> 00:06:30,800 Speaker 5: define who the most valuable player in the NBA is. 145 00:06:30,839 --> 00:06:34,039 Speaker 5: Because when I broke into the national media, I was 146 00:06:34,080 --> 00:06:35,680 Speaker 5: told that averaging a triple double for. 147 00:06:35,640 --> 00:06:38,200 Speaker 3: The five seed was what made you the MVP and 148 00:06:38,240 --> 00:06:38,760 Speaker 3: the reason why. 149 00:06:38,800 --> 00:06:41,120 Speaker 5: They said, well, Kevin Durant left and that was the 150 00:06:41,120 --> 00:06:45,960 Speaker 5: most narrative based MVP and like in modern MVP history. 151 00:06:46,720 --> 00:06:48,920 Speaker 5: And then I felt like we went further down, like 152 00:06:48,960 --> 00:06:52,240 Speaker 5: that was like the apex of narrative MVP. And then 153 00:06:52,720 --> 00:06:55,000 Speaker 5: as a result we swung back and was like, now 154 00:06:55,000 --> 00:06:57,320 Speaker 5: we gotta get stats MVP, and we reached the apex 155 00:06:57,320 --> 00:07:01,160 Speaker 5: of stats MVP. When Jokic is ating a million different 156 00:07:01,200 --> 00:07:03,240 Speaker 5: advanced stats and he's like, well, if you look at 157 00:07:03,240 --> 00:07:06,120 Speaker 5: his pr and his raptor and his war and his 158 00:07:06,320 --> 00:07:08,440 Speaker 5: you know, wins, all of this other stuff is you know, 159 00:07:08,960 --> 00:07:13,600 Speaker 5: ops he's killing it, right, I'm like, all right, right exactly, 160 00:07:13,680 --> 00:07:15,080 Speaker 5: Like when you look at all of that, he's the 161 00:07:15,120 --> 00:07:16,520 Speaker 5: best player to lead, Like, well, I look at his 162 00:07:16,560 --> 00:07:18,600 Speaker 5: team or the four seed. You know what I'm saying, 163 00:07:18,680 --> 00:07:24,080 Speaker 5: What are we doing here? I cannot like and look, Lebron, 164 00:07:24,520 --> 00:07:26,920 Speaker 5: I'm with you when you're right. I'm with you when 165 00:07:26,920 --> 00:07:30,120 Speaker 5: you're right. The offensive player of the of the year 166 00:07:30,160 --> 00:07:34,800 Speaker 5: in the NBA is it needs to be instituted so badly. 167 00:07:35,400 --> 00:07:39,640 Speaker 5: I ask you this. Let's say the postseason from game one, 168 00:07:39,800 --> 00:07:43,800 Speaker 5: Round one. I know that feels like eight years ago now, 169 00:07:43,840 --> 00:07:47,880 Speaker 5: but around one game one to Game seven of the 170 00:07:48,040 --> 00:07:50,640 Speaker 5: of the NBA Finals, say that was its own season. 171 00:07:51,200 --> 00:07:54,120 Speaker 5: Who would you say was the MVP of that season 172 00:07:56,360 --> 00:08:00,920 Speaker 5: the MVP of this postseason? You can pick two or three. 173 00:08:00,960 --> 00:08:04,040 Speaker 5: I still think it's that SGA. You still think it's 174 00:08:04,040 --> 00:08:06,920 Speaker 5: that It was a boring We talked about it yesterday. 175 00:08:06,960 --> 00:08:09,040 Speaker 4: But dude was putting up thirty on the level that 176 00:08:09,040 --> 00:08:11,640 Speaker 4: only Michael Jordan's done. So, I mean, he was balling 177 00:08:11,680 --> 00:08:13,840 Speaker 4: out of control. H If you asked me who was 178 00:08:13,840 --> 00:08:16,760 Speaker 4: the most exciting and just what a wild ride? Tyre's Helliburton. 179 00:08:16,960 --> 00:08:18,640 Speaker 4: But at the end of the day he had way 180 00:08:18,680 --> 00:08:21,840 Speaker 4: too many games of oh that he had fourteen. 181 00:08:22,080 --> 00:08:25,800 Speaker 5: But the amount of game winning shots that he hit 182 00:08:26,040 --> 00:08:29,800 Speaker 5: in that playoffs with the idea that he's the guy 183 00:08:29,880 --> 00:08:32,880 Speaker 5: who is the straw that stirs the drink, which I 184 00:08:33,000 --> 00:08:35,200 Speaker 5: kind of, you know, hand up, my bad, I thought 185 00:08:35,240 --> 00:08:39,120 Speaker 5: a little overblown. Then I watched without him, I was like, oh, okay, 186 00:08:39,200 --> 00:08:42,880 Speaker 5: no cutting, this is legit, this is real. And because 187 00:08:42,880 --> 00:08:46,760 Speaker 5: it's really hard to quantify the absence of turning of 188 00:08:46,800 --> 00:08:50,440 Speaker 5: like the absence of something missing Tyreek Heliburton not turning 189 00:08:50,440 --> 00:08:51,400 Speaker 5: the ball over. 190 00:08:52,400 --> 00:08:54,280 Speaker 3: Something it's hard to see, you know. 191 00:08:54,400 --> 00:08:57,480 Speaker 5: Once then you see all those pick sixers, like, oh, 192 00:08:57,520 --> 00:08:59,240 Speaker 5: that's what they were talking about. This is what the 193 00:08:59,480 --> 00:09:01,760 Speaker 5: this is what the whole thing is. To me, Sga 194 00:09:01,880 --> 00:09:05,360 Speaker 5: would have been the offensive player of the year on 195 00:09:05,440 --> 00:09:08,880 Speaker 5: this team, which to me, didn't shoot well from the floor. 196 00:09:09,160 --> 00:09:11,800 Speaker 5: Their key was the defense. Their key was all of 197 00:09:11,840 --> 00:09:14,360 Speaker 5: that right, and Shague was not nearly the best defender 198 00:09:14,400 --> 00:09:16,360 Speaker 5: on the floor. It competes on the defensive end, but 199 00:09:16,800 --> 00:09:20,080 Speaker 5: he is benefiting off of the wing defenders that they 200 00:09:20,120 --> 00:09:22,400 Speaker 5: have out there, the rim protections that they have getting 201 00:09:22,400 --> 00:09:25,080 Speaker 5: out there making stuff happen on the offensive end. I 202 00:09:25,120 --> 00:09:27,640 Speaker 5: would have had him be the Offensive Player of the 203 00:09:27,720 --> 00:09:30,959 Speaker 5: Year in this stretch in the regular season, MVP to 204 00:09:30,960 --> 00:09:33,000 Speaker 5: me would have been Jokic. Now, the thing is. 205 00:09:33,280 --> 00:09:35,920 Speaker 3: They would give Jokics four MVPs. Well, some of these 206 00:09:36,000 --> 00:09:38,599 Speaker 3: other ones should have been Offensive Player of the Year awards. 207 00:09:38,880 --> 00:09:41,280 Speaker 3: That's my point. I get what you're saying, so but 208 00:09:41,440 --> 00:09:42,000 Speaker 3: to me, the. 209 00:09:41,880 --> 00:09:45,280 Speaker 5: Most valuable player he's not necessarily the guy who's always 210 00:09:45,280 --> 00:09:47,560 Speaker 5: scoring the most points on the best team. And I 211 00:09:47,600 --> 00:09:50,880 Speaker 5: think we end up it just like you said, narrative 212 00:09:50,920 --> 00:09:53,559 Speaker 5: changes all the time. Offensive player would be who's the 213 00:09:53,600 --> 00:09:57,040 Speaker 5: best score right now? And I think that's just a 214 00:09:57,120 --> 00:09:59,680 Speaker 5: much cleaner way to define it. And I think we 215 00:10:00,080 --> 00:10:02,200 Speaker 5: mix up who's the best score and who's the MVP. 216 00:10:02,880 --> 00:10:07,160 Speaker 4: To me, it's two far for me one. I think 217 00:10:08,280 --> 00:10:11,760 Speaker 4: the issue is when we universally know the best player 218 00:10:11,800 --> 00:10:14,200 Speaker 4: is filling the blank, that person needs a flat out 219 00:10:14,280 --> 00:10:16,440 Speaker 4: be the MVP. And what I mean by that is, 220 00:10:16,520 --> 00:10:18,560 Speaker 4: there was an eight to nine ten year period with 221 00:10:18,600 --> 00:10:20,400 Speaker 4: Lebron James. You can maybe even go more. I might 222 00:10:20,440 --> 00:10:22,280 Speaker 4: be selling them short. Was the best player in the 223 00:10:22,320 --> 00:10:25,400 Speaker 4: NBA period. Everybody know you woke up Lebron James best 224 00:10:25,400 --> 00:10:30,360 Speaker 4: player from probably nineteen eighty seven, eighty eight to nineteen 225 00:10:30,480 --> 00:10:33,360 Speaker 4: ninety eight, except for a couple of years Michael Jordan's 226 00:10:33,400 --> 00:10:35,880 Speaker 4: the best player in the NBA. So the idea that 227 00:10:35,920 --> 00:10:37,720 Speaker 4: we then turn around and play and say, ooh, will 228 00:10:37,800 --> 00:10:41,000 Speaker 4: Karl Malone, well, Charles Barkley, well, ooh remember that year, Ooh, 229 00:10:41,040 --> 00:10:42,920 Speaker 4: Derrick Rose, it's cute what the bulls are doing? Yeah, 230 00:10:42,920 --> 00:10:45,120 Speaker 4: he's and he got demolished in the playoffs, and you 231 00:10:45,160 --> 00:10:48,440 Speaker 4: saw he looked much. He looked less than going up 232 00:10:48,480 --> 00:10:50,839 Speaker 4: against a motivated Lebron who was like, let me show 233 00:10:50,880 --> 00:10:53,680 Speaker 4: y'all how he's not that guy in comparison to me. 234 00:10:54,520 --> 00:10:58,680 Speaker 4: The point is we do that too often, in my opinion, 235 00:10:58,720 --> 00:11:00,760 Speaker 4: where we all know who the best player is, we 236 00:11:00,800 --> 00:11:02,559 Speaker 4: ought whatever you want to call it, best player VP, 237 00:11:02,760 --> 00:11:05,160 Speaker 4: that person is it, and historically we have not given 238 00:11:05,200 --> 00:11:06,680 Speaker 4: it to him. And I think a part of that 239 00:11:06,840 --> 00:11:09,440 Speaker 4: is leads to why I think we'll never have a criteria, 240 00:11:09,480 --> 00:11:13,520 Speaker 4: because I think people enjoy the idea subconsciously, subliminally in 241 00:11:13,520 --> 00:11:16,360 Speaker 4: the back of their mind Martin, that they can go, well, 242 00:11:16,720 --> 00:11:19,320 Speaker 4: let's just give it to somebody else, because otherwise they know, 243 00:11:19,400 --> 00:11:20,959 Speaker 4: for a ten year perio, you probablyoud gave it to 244 00:11:21,000 --> 00:11:22,640 Speaker 4: Michael Jordan for an eight to ten year pier. 245 00:11:22,679 --> 00:11:25,000 Speaker 3: You would have gave it to Uh, to Lebron. 246 00:11:25,080 --> 00:11:27,200 Speaker 4: There's a period where maybe for five years you just 247 00:11:27,200 --> 00:11:29,040 Speaker 4: gave it to Peyton Manning, like dude, He's just ain't 248 00:11:29,000 --> 00:11:31,240 Speaker 4: nobody like Peyton Manning, you might have just gave it 249 00:11:31,240 --> 00:11:35,200 Speaker 4: to him. So therefore, I think people subconsciously don't even 250 00:11:35,200 --> 00:11:37,400 Speaker 4: know that they do want this because it leads for 251 00:11:37,480 --> 00:11:39,600 Speaker 4: the fodder. It leads for the conversation. It leads for 252 00:11:39,640 --> 00:11:42,640 Speaker 4: the sports debates and the barbershops and on radio and 253 00:11:42,720 --> 00:11:43,160 Speaker 4: on TV. 254 00:11:43,640 --> 00:11:44,559 Speaker 3: No is it Yokis? 255 00:11:44,640 --> 00:11:44,720 Speaker 5: No? 256 00:11:44,920 --> 00:11:45,360 Speaker 3: Is it Shay? 257 00:11:45,760 --> 00:11:46,600 Speaker 5: No? Is it Lebron? 258 00:11:46,640 --> 00:11:46,679 Speaker 2: No? 259 00:11:46,880 --> 00:11:47,679 Speaker 5: Is it Kobe? Is it? 260 00:11:47,840 --> 00:11:47,880 Speaker 7: No? 261 00:11:48,120 --> 00:11:48,600 Speaker 5: Is it uh? 262 00:11:49,120 --> 00:11:49,240 Speaker 4: Uh? 263 00:11:49,840 --> 00:11:51,000 Speaker 3: This person or this person? 264 00:11:51,040 --> 00:11:51,560 Speaker 5: Is it Peyton? 265 00:11:51,679 --> 00:11:54,600 Speaker 4: Or is it you know, Ladaneley and Thomason? And I 266 00:11:54,600 --> 00:11:58,920 Speaker 4: think it leads to that because of the vagueness of it, 267 00:11:59,120 --> 00:12:01,160 Speaker 4: I think we ultimately won it. We just don't know 268 00:12:01,200 --> 00:12:03,880 Speaker 4: that we want it. Otherwise I think people will be bored. 269 00:12:04,200 --> 00:12:06,720 Speaker 4: Handed it to Michael Jordan for a decade, handed it 270 00:12:06,760 --> 00:12:09,440 Speaker 4: to Lebron, handed the Peyton Manning, handed whatever the sport is, 271 00:12:09,640 --> 00:12:11,960 Speaker 4: handing this to that guy for five to sixty year period, 272 00:12:12,200 --> 00:12:15,439 Speaker 4: and I think subconsciously we like that. We like the debate, 273 00:12:15,559 --> 00:12:17,880 Speaker 4: the fighter. Ah, No, I mean I like, is it 274 00:12:17,920 --> 00:12:20,719 Speaker 4: about the best player on the best team. No, this 275 00:12:20,880 --> 00:12:23,240 Speaker 4: guy James hard is doing stuff we've never seen, thirty 276 00:12:23,240 --> 00:12:26,400 Speaker 4: five games and leading the league in assists and points. 277 00:12:27,040 --> 00:12:29,400 Speaker 4: And I think we enjoy that more than we actually 278 00:12:29,440 --> 00:12:31,160 Speaker 4: know that we do, because I don't think our human 279 00:12:31,240 --> 00:12:32,640 Speaker 4: nature wants to just give it to And this is 280 00:12:32,640 --> 00:12:36,680 Speaker 4: why I sat here for what two months, give or take, 281 00:12:37,040 --> 00:12:40,960 Speaker 4: yelling at Rob Lamar Jackson is not gonna win the MVP. 282 00:12:41,360 --> 00:12:44,680 Speaker 3: Look at his numbers, I said, I know you're right. 283 00:12:45,120 --> 00:12:47,400 Speaker 4: Rob g is my witness and short the listeners, I said, 284 00:12:48,320 --> 00:12:51,160 Speaker 4: people are tired of giving it to him. Yes, the 285 00:12:51,240 --> 00:12:53,559 Speaker 4: numbers are great, Yes they're better than last season. Guess 286 00:12:53,559 --> 00:12:57,680 Speaker 4: what they're gonna say, it's Chush Allen's time. Well, he's 287 00:12:57,720 --> 00:12:59,880 Speaker 4: the first note when they are the All Pro comes 288 00:13:00,080 --> 00:13:02,560 Speaker 4: out only one time in hard Ford years, it all 289 00:13:02,600 --> 00:13:04,719 Speaker 4: pro get it wrong. I said, well this could be 290 00:13:04,760 --> 00:13:07,480 Speaker 4: in a union. They can have it again and Josh 291 00:13:07,520 --> 00:13:11,920 Speaker 4: Allen wins it. My point was human nature gets fatigued 292 00:13:11,960 --> 00:13:14,760 Speaker 4: of things you can't it's you have to be. 293 00:13:14,600 --> 00:13:17,760 Speaker 3: So self aware to not do that. 294 00:13:17,800 --> 00:13:19,839 Speaker 4: And you know it is argument always like to be well, 295 00:13:19,880 --> 00:13:21,719 Speaker 4: Barry Bonds won it all those times, and ros say 296 00:13:21,760 --> 00:13:23,960 Speaker 4: yes because they have two leagues. If they had one, 297 00:13:24,000 --> 00:13:26,599 Speaker 4: I guarantee you Barry Bonds would not have won it 298 00:13:27,240 --> 00:13:27,679 Speaker 4: over and over. 299 00:13:28,080 --> 00:13:29,600 Speaker 3: It's easy, all right, Well he's the best off area. 300 00:13:29,679 --> 00:13:30,760 Speaker 3: Somebody mix it up. 301 00:13:30,760 --> 00:13:33,920 Speaker 4: On the other side, if there was just one MLB MVP, 302 00:13:34,400 --> 00:13:36,080 Speaker 4: Barry Bonds would not have won it. I think it was, 303 00:13:36,120 --> 00:13:38,480 Speaker 4: what five times in a row, whatever it was, because 304 00:13:38,559 --> 00:13:40,400 Speaker 4: they would have gotten bored with somebody else. We'll all 305 00:13:40,400 --> 00:13:41,880 Speaker 4: he's doing is hitting home runs, or they would have 306 00:13:41,880 --> 00:13:45,640 Speaker 4: found some human nature reason to do that. So I 307 00:13:45,640 --> 00:13:47,720 Speaker 4: think we don't want it to be that simplistic. So 308 00:13:47,760 --> 00:13:50,679 Speaker 4: therefore we have different options. We have different people because 309 00:13:50,720 --> 00:13:53,880 Speaker 4: sometimes in sports there's somebody who's just that good for 310 00:13:54,000 --> 00:13:55,960 Speaker 4: that period where we'd have to just keep handing it 311 00:13:55,960 --> 00:13:56,800 Speaker 4: to him or her every year. 312 00:13:57,640 --> 00:14:02,800 Speaker 5: Well, speaking of handing it out, oh Dallas Mavericks. Nine 313 00:14:02,880 --> 00:14:06,120 Speaker 5: time All Star Kyrie Irving declined his forty three million 314 00:14:06,160 --> 00:14:09,200 Speaker 5: dollar player option and is signing a three year, one 315 00:14:09,280 --> 00:14:12,640 Speaker 5: hundred and nineteen million dollar contract with the Dallas Mavericks 316 00:14:12,679 --> 00:14:15,880 Speaker 5: with a player option. At twenty twenty seven, Kyrie Irving, 317 00:14:15,920 --> 00:14:21,840 Speaker 5: congratulations on a torn ACL in your thirties with a 318 00:14:21,880 --> 00:14:24,880 Speaker 5: player option to go ahead and get well. He had 319 00:14:24,960 --> 00:14:27,880 Speaker 5: forty three coming, So he's a quick math by me 320 00:14:28,720 --> 00:14:32,040 Speaker 5: bag eighty more over the next two years, and you 321 00:14:32,120 --> 00:14:34,360 Speaker 5: get to choose whether or not you want that forty 322 00:14:34,640 --> 00:14:36,360 Speaker 5: in year three. 323 00:14:36,800 --> 00:14:40,880 Speaker 4: Hey, I'm about to start wearing long furarrings in my 324 00:14:40,920 --> 00:14:42,000 Speaker 4: ear whatever he wears. 325 00:14:42,560 --> 00:14:45,760 Speaker 5: Salute to his agent, his mother. Yeah, shout to mom. 326 00:14:45,840 --> 00:14:46,560 Speaker 5: Keep that three percent. 327 00:14:46,680 --> 00:14:49,680 Speaker 4: Ah, Hey, this one right here, I think eight seven, 328 00:14:49,760 --> 00:14:51,960 Speaker 4: seven ninety nine on Fox Robbersie. I want to hear 329 00:14:52,000 --> 00:14:54,520 Speaker 4: people say, because Martin and I try to figure out 330 00:14:54,600 --> 00:14:57,600 Speaker 4: what is the criteria to ain MVP when you're watching 331 00:14:58,000 --> 00:15:00,480 Speaker 4: Is it stats as Martin mentioned with Joki. Is it 332 00:15:00,680 --> 00:15:02,960 Speaker 4: just I'm the best player on the best team with 333 00:15:03,000 --> 00:15:06,200 Speaker 4: the most wins like an SGA. What's your criteria for 334 00:15:06,400 --> 00:15:08,920 Speaker 4: MVP when you were breaking it down, it's the Odd 335 00:15:08,960 --> 00:15:11,040 Speaker 4: Couple Martin and for Rob Fox Sports Radio. 336 00:15:11,240 --> 00:15:13,640 Speaker 2: Be sure to catch live editions of The Odd Couple 337 00:15:13,760 --> 00:15:17,920 Speaker 2: with Rob Parker and Kelvin Washington weekdays at seven pm Eastern, 338 00:15:18,040 --> 00:15:22,560 Speaker 2: four pm Pacific on Fox Sports Radio and the iHeartRadio app. 339 00:15:23,200 --> 00:15:26,720 Speaker 4: Fox Sports Radio, Odd Couple, Kelvin Washington, Martin Wise, he 340 00:15:26,840 --> 00:15:31,120 Speaker 4: is in for Rob on a trash Talking Tuesday. By 341 00:15:31,160 --> 00:15:32,800 Speaker 4: the way, thank you for everybody called in on trash 342 00:15:32,840 --> 00:15:36,280 Speaker 4: Talking Tuesday and spirited trash Talking Tuesday. Indeed, we got 343 00:15:36,320 --> 00:15:37,840 Speaker 4: last call coming up in a little bit as well. 344 00:15:37,840 --> 00:15:39,160 Speaker 4: If you couldn't get in, you want to get in. 345 00:15:39,200 --> 00:15:42,040 Speaker 4: And for over forty years, tire Rack has been helping 346 00:15:42,080 --> 00:15:44,800 Speaker 4: customers find the right tires for what, how and where 347 00:15:44,840 --> 00:15:48,480 Speaker 4: they drive. Ship fast and free back by free Road 348 00:15:48,520 --> 00:15:51,760 Speaker 4: has a protection with convenient installation options like mobile tire 349 00:15:51,800 --> 00:15:54,480 Speaker 4: Installation tire rack dot Com. As you already know, it 350 00:15:54,560 --> 00:15:56,480 Speaker 4: is the way tire buying should be. Martin and I 351 00:15:56,560 --> 00:15:59,000 Speaker 4: having a conversation about the bron brought up a point 352 00:15:59,040 --> 00:16:00,480 Speaker 4: I think a lot of people have when we get 353 00:16:00,600 --> 00:16:03,080 Speaker 4: especially we even have it in even though he's talking 354 00:16:03,160 --> 00:16:04,560 Speaker 4: NBA happens even in MLB. 355 00:16:04,760 --> 00:16:08,600 Speaker 3: Happens in football? What is an MVP? What's the criteria? 356 00:16:08,640 --> 00:16:08,760 Speaker 5: Is it? 357 00:16:08,840 --> 00:16:10,920 Speaker 3: Best offensive player? Best player on the best team? 358 00:16:10,960 --> 00:16:11,280 Speaker 5: Is it? 359 00:16:11,360 --> 00:16:13,120 Speaker 4: Can you be the MVP if your team is a 360 00:16:13,120 --> 00:16:16,320 Speaker 4: succeed and whatever the sport is, right, there's a conversation. 361 00:16:16,400 --> 00:16:19,200 Speaker 4: We'll take a quick call, real quick, Andre in Massachusetts. 362 00:16:19,320 --> 00:16:21,400 Speaker 4: You are on the Odd Cup on Fox Sports Radio. 363 00:16:21,400 --> 00:16:21,680 Speaker 5: Andre. 364 00:16:21,720 --> 00:16:24,520 Speaker 3: What's up, brother, how are you doing? 365 00:16:24,520 --> 00:16:26,680 Speaker 8: Thanks for taking a call. Listen for me. I do 366 00:16:26,760 --> 00:16:29,240 Speaker 8: think we need to expand the criterion when we're looking 367 00:16:29,240 --> 00:16:32,000 Speaker 8: at MVP. Generally we see it being the best player 368 00:16:32,320 --> 00:16:34,320 Speaker 8: on the best team or the top two teams in 369 00:16:34,320 --> 00:16:37,440 Speaker 8: the league, and that person gets preferential treatment. That's, of course, 370 00:16:37,520 --> 00:16:39,800 Speaker 8: why Steve Nash, you know, even though I see what 371 00:16:39,840 --> 00:16:41,880 Speaker 8: he's doing with the Mind the Game podcast, but he's 372 00:16:41,880 --> 00:16:44,760 Speaker 8: stolen the MVP from Kobe Bryant. Okay, because in nobody, 373 00:16:44,800 --> 00:16:46,480 Speaker 8: this is what my grandfather used to say, in this style, 374 00:16:46,520 --> 00:16:48,920 Speaker 8: nobody in the cotton taking mind would have believed that 375 00:16:48,920 --> 00:16:51,360 Speaker 8: Steve Nash was better than Kobe Bryant pound for pound, 376 00:16:51,440 --> 00:16:53,600 Speaker 8: but they gave him it because of the seven seconds 377 00:16:53,600 --> 00:16:55,600 Speaker 8: of lesson the Sun with Sons were good. So that's 378 00:16:55,600 --> 00:16:57,560 Speaker 8: for me. We got to if you're on a topick, 379 00:16:57,560 --> 00:16:59,760 Speaker 8: if you're not in the plane, okay, and you are 380 00:17:00,080 --> 00:17:01,960 Speaker 8: clearly the best player in the league, then you got 381 00:17:02,000 --> 00:17:04,640 Speaker 8: to get the MVP. And just because another player is 382 00:17:04,680 --> 00:17:07,280 Speaker 8: on a better team of the best team, that's organized. 383 00:17:07,320 --> 00:17:10,360 Speaker 8: That that's institutional strength. You can't control that, right. These 384 00:17:10,359 --> 00:17:12,840 Speaker 8: are players that are playing on teams that put together 385 00:17:12,960 --> 00:17:14,920 Speaker 8: rosters where they can be to one or two. 386 00:17:14,960 --> 00:17:15,920 Speaker 5: If you're the top. 387 00:17:15,720 --> 00:17:17,600 Speaker 8: Player, but you can only do what you can do, 388 00:17:17,680 --> 00:17:20,080 Speaker 8: you should be in the MVP conversation. I agree with 389 00:17:20,160 --> 00:17:22,560 Speaker 8: Lebron James in his overall point. He lost a couple 390 00:17:22,560 --> 00:17:25,560 Speaker 8: of MVPs. Also lost the defensive player of the year, right, 391 00:17:25,640 --> 00:17:27,119 Speaker 8: so Marcus Sault, that would have been nice on his 392 00:17:27,160 --> 00:17:29,040 Speaker 8: all time regiment that one I was. 393 00:17:29,520 --> 00:17:31,520 Speaker 4: I agree with that one. That was a comedy. Marcosol 394 00:17:31,640 --> 00:17:34,280 Speaker 4: was a really good defender. But Lebron was going crazy 395 00:17:34,280 --> 00:17:35,880 Speaker 4: that because any time, thank you for the call, Andre 396 00:17:36,400 --> 00:17:40,000 Speaker 4: mart anytime Lebron applies himself, which is partly why a 397 00:17:40,000 --> 00:17:41,080 Speaker 4: lot of people don't give him the go. 398 00:17:41,160 --> 00:17:41,480 Speaker 5: He didn't. 399 00:17:41,480 --> 00:17:42,960 Speaker 3: You know, there's games where they feel like he should 400 00:17:43,000 --> 00:17:43,520 Speaker 3: have did more. 401 00:17:43,760 --> 00:17:47,200 Speaker 4: Game six, Boston, I needed that every night game, whatever 402 00:17:47,200 --> 00:17:49,240 Speaker 4: that was, when you score twenty five straight or fists, 403 00:17:49,400 --> 00:17:52,040 Speaker 4: I want that every night. You know, forty one forty 404 00:17:52,040 --> 00:17:54,520 Speaker 4: one in triple double in the five and so people 405 00:17:54,520 --> 00:17:57,159 Speaker 4: almost felt he didn't apply himself enough when he was 406 00:17:57,200 --> 00:17:59,119 Speaker 4: going crazy trying to win that defensive Player to year. 407 00:17:59,119 --> 00:18:01,480 Speaker 4: It was like, all right, this is getting he's blocking everything, 408 00:18:02,119 --> 00:18:04,560 Speaker 4: charges locking I told you locking up. I mean it 409 00:18:04,640 --> 00:18:06,800 Speaker 4: was a couple he was private locking up Derek Rose 410 00:18:06,800 --> 00:18:08,840 Speaker 4: and just you saw like, oh, if he ever just 411 00:18:08,960 --> 00:18:10,760 Speaker 4: was like, for the next three four years, I want 412 00:18:10,800 --> 00:18:12,399 Speaker 4: to defensive player year, he was probably gonna win one 413 00:18:12,440 --> 00:18:14,840 Speaker 4: or two because it's just for him to put that 414 00:18:15,600 --> 00:18:17,520 Speaker 4: energy and effort in with his athleticism. 415 00:18:17,640 --> 00:18:19,680 Speaker 3: It was it's ridiculous. And see that's the thing. 416 00:18:21,480 --> 00:18:23,800 Speaker 5: I don't mean to just spin this back to Cooper Flag, 417 00:18:23,880 --> 00:18:26,639 Speaker 5: but this is why I think that playing catches on 418 00:18:26,680 --> 00:18:29,760 Speaker 5: the day. Why I don't think that playing hard is 419 00:18:29,840 --> 00:18:33,280 Speaker 5: like it's definitely something you want over somebody who does 420 00:18:33,320 --> 00:18:34,040 Speaker 5: not play hard. 421 00:18:34,400 --> 00:18:36,680 Speaker 3: But you could play as hard as you want. 422 00:18:37,040 --> 00:18:40,240 Speaker 5: Like every like you could the guys who Lebron Lebron 423 00:18:40,280 --> 00:18:42,200 Speaker 5: decided I don't want to play defensive. 424 00:18:41,840 --> 00:18:43,159 Speaker 3: Stop you from doing whatever you want to do. 425 00:18:43,400 --> 00:18:46,040 Speaker 5: Whoever was on offense could do play as hard as 426 00:18:46,080 --> 00:18:49,040 Speaker 5: they wanted to and it did not matter because he 427 00:18:49,080 --> 00:18:51,560 Speaker 5: had to lead that athleticism and he's at that point 428 00:18:51,560 --> 00:18:54,400 Speaker 5: in time, he was cutting off guys as water. It's 429 00:18:54,480 --> 00:18:57,760 Speaker 5: one of the only real athlete podcast that I consume 430 00:18:57,800 --> 00:19:01,320 Speaker 5: on any regular basis post playing athlete podcast is Jeff 431 00:19:01,359 --> 00:19:03,640 Speaker 5: t because Jeff Zig seems to be the only one 432 00:19:03,680 --> 00:19:06,720 Speaker 5: that downplays himself in these moments. Right, you know what 433 00:19:06,720 --> 00:19:09,399 Speaker 5: I'm saying, Jeff Tige is like, nah, I knew he 434 00:19:09,560 --> 00:19:11,200 Speaker 5: was giving me work. I knew it. 435 00:19:11,400 --> 00:19:14,400 Speaker 3: And it's not like he's said, like, bro, I tried 436 00:19:14,480 --> 00:19:15,560 Speaker 3: to guard Kyrie. 437 00:19:15,800 --> 00:19:18,040 Speaker 5: He was giving me forty because he was giving everybody 438 00:19:18,080 --> 00:19:19,720 Speaker 5: forty and it was my turn. 439 00:19:19,560 --> 00:19:22,280 Speaker 4: To catch forty. His story is about Steph Curry. Hilarious. 440 00:19:22,320 --> 00:19:24,560 Speaker 5: Right, And Jeff t played in the league for what 441 00:19:24,640 --> 00:19:26,760 Speaker 5: twelve years, was a hot pitched All Star thinking what 442 00:19:26,880 --> 00:19:28,800 Speaker 5: he wants to walk to the All Star Champion, Like 443 00:19:28,840 --> 00:19:31,280 Speaker 5: I know he got a champion, like signed his name 444 00:19:31,320 --> 00:19:34,240 Speaker 5: on the group paper project at the end. 445 00:19:34,520 --> 00:19:37,440 Speaker 3: But you know, like that's what I see, like when 446 00:19:37,480 --> 00:19:39,080 Speaker 3: you tell me, oh yeah, Like remember when. 447 00:19:38,920 --> 00:19:41,600 Speaker 5: Russell Westbrook rest in piece and nips yes, when Russell 448 00:19:41,640 --> 00:19:44,159 Speaker 5: Westbrook went out at the twenty twenty twenty game. That 449 00:19:44,320 --> 00:19:46,560 Speaker 5: was kind of the genesis of this thought was like 450 00:19:46,840 --> 00:19:50,040 Speaker 5: he could do this every night. But it's like part 451 00:19:50,040 --> 00:19:53,919 Speaker 5: of it is the longevity of and I don't disparage 452 00:19:54,000 --> 00:19:57,600 Speaker 5: Lebron or Russell Westbrook, anybody for having a day off 453 00:19:57,680 --> 00:20:00,600 Speaker 5: in February because you want to get to game seven 454 00:20:00,720 --> 00:20:02,920 Speaker 5: up the finals and be able to finish strong. 455 00:20:03,000 --> 00:20:05,040 Speaker 3: I bet you're Tyree Talliburton, which is. 456 00:20:05,000 --> 00:20:07,639 Speaker 5: He had taken a New Year's Eve game off because 457 00:20:07,640 --> 00:20:10,000 Speaker 5: it wouldn't have mattered in the seating and the standings, 458 00:20:10,160 --> 00:20:11,640 Speaker 5: and that game he was won away. 459 00:20:11,400 --> 00:20:14,240 Speaker 3: From a championship. You know what I'm saying, So too soon. 460 00:20:14,359 --> 00:20:16,360 Speaker 3: I don't I don't have a bee. 461 00:20:17,720 --> 00:20:20,320 Speaker 5: I don't have any problem with like the now it 462 00:20:20,359 --> 00:20:22,560 Speaker 5: gets to be aggressive when she guys sitting out a ton, 463 00:20:22,720 --> 00:20:26,280 Speaker 5: she gots just for rest consistently. All right, now, Now 464 00:20:26,320 --> 00:20:30,800 Speaker 5: I got an issue. But that's playing hard. 465 00:20:30,600 --> 00:20:32,760 Speaker 4: Is But you just said so far. This is why 466 00:20:32,800 --> 00:20:38,240 Speaker 4: we're gonna keep mostly disagreed on this, Lebron. We just said, 467 00:20:38,520 --> 00:20:40,240 Speaker 4: decided to bunk it down and lock in, and I'm 468 00:20:40,240 --> 00:20:42,480 Speaker 4: about to play hard with elite. 469 00:20:43,160 --> 00:20:45,560 Speaker 3: Well here's the elite of leader, leader, lead athleticism. 470 00:20:45,920 --> 00:20:50,280 Speaker 4: Well, my point is, if Cooper Flagg chooses and continues 471 00:20:50,320 --> 00:20:52,479 Speaker 4: to play hard as we see him do in high school, 472 00:20:52,720 --> 00:20:55,360 Speaker 4: saw him doing summers, saw him do a duke, want 473 00:20:55,359 --> 00:20:58,280 Speaker 4: to be better and like truly cares about winning. I'm 474 00:20:58,280 --> 00:21:01,439 Speaker 4: saying he has a leader. Let's leticism and the other 475 00:21:01,520 --> 00:21:04,000 Speaker 4: stuffer is coming. Because I know how much he cares 476 00:21:04,040 --> 00:21:05,840 Speaker 4: and works. I know he's gonna get even better jump. 477 00:21:05,880 --> 00:21:07,840 Speaker 4: So mid range is pretty nice. That's why we shocked 478 00:21:07,880 --> 00:21:09,240 Speaker 4: he missed one that could have put them to the 479 00:21:09,280 --> 00:21:12,920 Speaker 4: next level. His mid range is nice. It's only gonna 480 00:21:12,920 --> 00:21:15,640 Speaker 4: be better. Most kids come into the NBA can't shoot 481 00:21:15,640 --> 00:21:18,919 Speaker 4: the three. It's farther. It's just different. Different approach is 482 00:21:19,160 --> 00:21:20,680 Speaker 4: you get to shoot it more so you're kind of like, oh, 483 00:21:20,680 --> 00:21:22,440 Speaker 4: I'm obe I can shoot it. It takes a while 484 00:21:22,440 --> 00:21:24,119 Speaker 4: to get the jump shot. I mean, Tyers said Halliburn. 485 00:21:24,160 --> 00:21:26,000 Speaker 4: We were all he couldn't really shoot it. Then then 486 00:21:26,040 --> 00:21:26,760 Speaker 4: he capable. 487 00:21:26,880 --> 00:21:29,199 Speaker 5: Part of one of the things about uh you know 488 00:21:29,200 --> 00:21:29,880 Speaker 5: why Sacramento. 489 00:21:30,000 --> 00:21:31,679 Speaker 4: Yeah, like, man, he can't hit the three in this 490 00:21:31,760 --> 00:21:34,200 Speaker 4: day and age, and obviously now to the two of 491 00:21:34,280 --> 00:21:35,600 Speaker 4: eight and three out of four in the first quarter 492 00:21:35,800 --> 00:21:38,040 Speaker 4: Game seven in the NBA Finals prior to the Achilles. 493 00:21:38,080 --> 00:21:41,200 Speaker 4: So that's why I'm saying, if he's doing all this now, 494 00:21:41,560 --> 00:21:44,120 Speaker 4: he's only going to get better. And he is elite 495 00:21:44,160 --> 00:21:47,560 Speaker 4: in comparison to seventy percent of the NBA. As far 496 00:21:47,560 --> 00:21:51,000 Speaker 4: as athleticism, I'm like, dude, I just think their floor 497 00:21:51,160 --> 00:21:53,520 Speaker 4: is really really high for him as well. 498 00:21:53,560 --> 00:21:54,560 Speaker 3: Yeah, Rogie, just. 499 00:21:54,520 --> 00:21:57,119 Speaker 9: Real quick, you don't think that he does anything elite, right, 500 00:21:57,200 --> 00:21:58,440 Speaker 9: so you said Martin, Yeah. 501 00:21:58,400 --> 00:21:59,920 Speaker 3: I mean I think he's very very good. 502 00:22:00,000 --> 00:22:01,880 Speaker 5: I don't think that the work ethic will keep him 503 00:22:01,880 --> 00:22:03,440 Speaker 5: in the league for a very long time. 504 00:22:03,720 --> 00:22:06,080 Speaker 9: So there have been depending on who you talk to, 505 00:22:06,600 --> 00:22:10,040 Speaker 9: the comparisons of current players for him is Kawhi Leonard, 506 00:22:10,119 --> 00:22:14,720 Speaker 9: Jason Tatum type. I've heard another scouts say that for 507 00:22:14,880 --> 00:22:18,000 Speaker 9: today's NBA he could be Kevin Garnett. Do you think 508 00:22:18,000 --> 00:22:20,280 Speaker 9: any of those guys had any elite traits when they 509 00:22:20,320 --> 00:22:22,359 Speaker 9: came out of to the draft. 510 00:22:22,480 --> 00:22:25,320 Speaker 5: I think Kevin Garnett was an elee athlete at that 511 00:22:25,359 --> 00:22:27,720 Speaker 5: point in time. I think it's like terms of defensive 512 00:22:27,720 --> 00:22:29,160 Speaker 5: shot blocking, rebound. 513 00:22:29,200 --> 00:22:32,639 Speaker 9: I mean, Cooper Flag is a really great defender in college, right. 514 00:22:32,680 --> 00:22:35,440 Speaker 5: But I think if you it kind of it's like 515 00:22:35,480 --> 00:22:38,080 Speaker 5: when people said Wenby was like Kevin Durant, and it's like, 516 00:22:38,119 --> 00:22:39,800 Speaker 5: I know that they're tall and they both shoot threes, 517 00:22:39,840 --> 00:22:41,760 Speaker 5: but when you just watch him, it doesn't look quite 518 00:22:41,760 --> 00:22:42,160 Speaker 5: the same. 519 00:22:42,760 --> 00:22:44,639 Speaker 4: There's a and that goes to my point at what 520 00:22:44,680 --> 00:22:47,040 Speaker 4: I like about Cooper Flag is ferocity. Like he played 521 00:22:47,080 --> 00:22:48,920 Speaker 4: he can. He's trying to destroy your shot on that 522 00:22:49,000 --> 00:22:51,920 Speaker 4: that's true. He didn't get a block. He's going crazy 523 00:22:52,160 --> 00:22:53,880 Speaker 4: and he cares and he's fired up because he could 524 00:22:53,880 --> 00:22:55,280 Speaker 4: easy be like, oh, I've been that guy. Scinuce I 525 00:22:55,320 --> 00:22:55,760 Speaker 4: was fourteen. 526 00:22:55,840 --> 00:22:57,919 Speaker 9: Now he's like three inches shorter than kg. But in 527 00:22:57,960 --> 00:22:59,720 Speaker 9: today's NBA he's basically a. 528 00:22:59,640 --> 00:23:03,200 Speaker 4: Powerful I'm not mad at that. And if you put 529 00:23:03,280 --> 00:23:05,800 Speaker 4: him in a blender. I do like the Polo too, 530 00:23:06,000 --> 00:23:07,800 Speaker 4: just kind of the big I play big, but I'm. 531 00:23:07,720 --> 00:23:11,040 Speaker 5: Cart I go to me. That's where I go. Paolo 532 00:23:11,480 --> 00:23:15,159 Speaker 5: Tatum like those types of guys. The idea that I 533 00:23:15,200 --> 00:23:18,679 Speaker 5: don't think Kevin Darnett was an elite at like jumping 534 00:23:18,720 --> 00:23:20,600 Speaker 5: out of the gym, he was a freak. 535 00:23:20,359 --> 00:23:22,280 Speaker 3: For that error, like that was normal to see what 536 00:23:22,320 --> 00:23:22,800 Speaker 3: he was doing. 537 00:23:22,840 --> 00:23:26,399 Speaker 9: Now, Tatum's a four time first Team All NBA THO. 538 00:23:26,440 --> 00:23:28,840 Speaker 5: And Tatum is also but Tatum's in the structure. That's 539 00:23:28,840 --> 00:23:30,520 Speaker 5: why I think it's good that he's going to that. 540 00:23:30,640 --> 00:23:32,600 Speaker 5: Cooper Flag is going to Dallas because you look at 541 00:23:32,640 --> 00:23:35,960 Speaker 5: the state of the Tatum. The structure that Tatum goes into, 542 00:23:36,440 --> 00:23:38,720 Speaker 5: then that's part of the reason why he's able to 543 00:23:38,760 --> 00:23:40,719 Speaker 5: have this success and go to all these conference finals 544 00:23:40,720 --> 00:23:43,120 Speaker 5: back to back. If Jason Tatum was a Charlotte Hornet, 545 00:23:43,160 --> 00:23:44,800 Speaker 5: he wouldn't have four First Team All NBA. 546 00:23:45,040 --> 00:23:47,320 Speaker 4: And that's why. On the other side, I want to 547 00:23:47,320 --> 00:23:49,520 Speaker 4: tell you a theory of mind. Steven Second is gonna 548 00:23:49,520 --> 00:23:50,760 Speaker 4: give us what's trending right now. 549 00:23:51,040 --> 00:23:53,480 Speaker 2: Be sure to catch live editions of The Odd Couple 550 00:23:53,600 --> 00:23:57,800 Speaker 2: with Rob Parker and Kelvin Washington weekdays at seven pm Eastern, 551 00:23:57,880 --> 00:24:01,000 Speaker 2: four pm Pacific on Fox Sport Sorts Radio and the 552 00:24:01,040 --> 00:24:02,400 Speaker 2: iHeartRadio app. 553 00:24:02,960 --> 00:24:04,800 Speaker 3: Steve, Thank you so much, have a great night. 554 00:24:04,880 --> 00:24:07,720 Speaker 4: It is The Odd Couple, Kelvin Washington, Martin White, who 555 00:24:07,760 --> 00:24:10,399 Speaker 4: is and for Rob and we of course are the 556 00:24:10,480 --> 00:24:10,880 Speaker 4: odd Couple. 557 00:24:10,880 --> 00:24:12,360 Speaker 3: We got last call coming up a little bit. 558 00:24:12,800 --> 00:24:16,040 Speaker 4: You said something a moment ago, Martin, we were talking 559 00:24:16,040 --> 00:24:17,000 Speaker 4: about Cooper Flag. 560 00:24:17,880 --> 00:24:20,520 Speaker 3: What go ahead, We'll just remind me what you were saying, because. 561 00:24:20,400 --> 00:24:24,240 Speaker 5: The big thing is and and honestly stems to a 562 00:24:24,280 --> 00:24:27,080 Speaker 5: conversation that Rob Gene We're having off as we were 563 00:24:27,080 --> 00:24:28,919 Speaker 5: getting ready for this, and that's why he just popped 564 00:24:28,920 --> 00:24:29,480 Speaker 5: on there was. 565 00:24:29,440 --> 00:24:32,520 Speaker 3: Like, but what about Jason Tatum. Most of the time, 566 00:24:33,040 --> 00:24:34,879 Speaker 3: these high drafted. 567 00:24:35,880 --> 00:24:38,840 Speaker 5: Guys who were expected to change features of franchises don't 568 00:24:38,880 --> 00:24:43,720 Speaker 5: have the opportunity to because the infrastructure around them is terrible. 569 00:24:44,160 --> 00:24:46,440 Speaker 5: While I do not think that Cooper Flag is the 570 00:24:46,520 --> 00:24:51,240 Speaker 5: home run slam dunk that everybody is talking about, I 571 00:24:51,280 --> 00:24:53,520 Speaker 5: think that his work ethic and the fact that he 572 00:24:53,720 --> 00:24:57,440 Speaker 5: is good at everything, not great at necessarily anything, yet 573 00:24:57,880 --> 00:25:01,240 Speaker 5: translates perfectly at a place like that. Who has no 574 00:25:01,359 --> 00:25:03,920 Speaker 5: business with the number one overall pick. Right, that's a 575 00:25:04,000 --> 00:25:06,240 Speaker 5: team that tried like hell to make the play in 576 00:25:06,320 --> 00:25:08,000 Speaker 5: even after trading Luka Doncics. 577 00:25:08,240 --> 00:25:10,280 Speaker 3: There's a team that has a structure around him. 578 00:25:10,440 --> 00:25:13,920 Speaker 5: So, like Jason Tatum, they got Bofton ended up having 579 00:25:14,040 --> 00:25:17,240 Speaker 5: the nets first round pick, and that's why they were 580 00:25:17,320 --> 00:25:19,520 Speaker 5: up there. They weren't up there due to record, And 581 00:25:19,760 --> 00:25:23,480 Speaker 5: like the trade terror team Right got Tatum and put 582 00:25:23,480 --> 00:25:26,320 Speaker 5: Tatum in a position where he could be the best 583 00:25:26,320 --> 00:25:29,960 Speaker 5: player he could be in the infrastructure that existed already, 584 00:25:30,000 --> 00:25:33,040 Speaker 5: and that's how he ends up dunking on Lebron In 585 00:25:33,119 --> 00:25:36,000 Speaker 5: twenty fifteen. I remember watching it a TGI Fridays, like 586 00:25:36,040 --> 00:25:39,680 Speaker 5: it was yesterday and that whole run of Eastern Conference 587 00:25:39,680 --> 00:25:43,520 Speaker 5: Finals appearances since then, the structure and then the greatness 588 00:25:43,560 --> 00:25:45,879 Speaker 5: on top of it. If Tatum was a hornet or 589 00:25:45,920 --> 00:25:48,520 Speaker 5: a trailblazer, I'm not saying the same. 590 00:25:48,600 --> 00:25:50,320 Speaker 4: This is why it has led me to something I 591 00:25:50,320 --> 00:25:52,080 Speaker 4: get into so many debates about, and this was my 592 00:25:52,119 --> 00:25:55,560 Speaker 4: theory brought I said I wanted to touch on. This 593 00:25:55,640 --> 00:25:59,360 Speaker 4: is why I don't have a problem with a lebron 594 00:26:00,040 --> 00:26:03,240 Speaker 4: when he makes a decision, with anybody who chooses to leave. 595 00:26:04,240 --> 00:26:06,720 Speaker 4: If I'm that not a regular guy, first ball, could 596 00:26:06,720 --> 00:26:10,159 Speaker 4: be anybody, but especially if I'm great, and you all 597 00:26:10,200 --> 00:26:11,600 Speaker 4: are gonna judge me on it, this is where the 598 00:26:11,680 --> 00:26:15,320 Speaker 4: ring conversation comes, ring culture conversation. You're only gonna judge 599 00:26:15,320 --> 00:26:18,600 Speaker 4: me on rings, right, Well, you were really good, but 600 00:26:18,600 --> 00:26:21,600 Speaker 4: you didn't win it, n F Ring. Then I can't 601 00:26:21,600 --> 00:26:24,600 Speaker 4: stay with a franchise that has been unstable, a city 602 00:26:24,680 --> 00:26:27,000 Speaker 4: that hasn't won a championship in fifty some years in 603 00:26:27,080 --> 00:26:30,080 Speaker 4: anty sport, and then I'm gonna stay here for fifteen 604 00:26:30,240 --> 00:26:32,960 Speaker 4: twenty years and who has proven to never be a winner. 605 00:26:33,119 --> 00:26:34,880 Speaker 4: It's just so at the end of my career, even 606 00:26:34,920 --> 00:26:36,720 Speaker 4: if I have really good accolades and I have a 607 00:26:36,720 --> 00:26:39,640 Speaker 4: few MVPs and you'll go, you ain't even win one ring, 608 00:26:40,080 --> 00:26:43,639 Speaker 4: even on the same caliber player that I ended up 609 00:26:43,680 --> 00:26:46,240 Speaker 4: ultimately with being as I go get rings, you would say, 610 00:26:46,359 --> 00:26:48,919 Speaker 4: you ain't that good. You didn't win rings. And to me, 611 00:26:49,440 --> 00:26:51,640 Speaker 4: that is why I have no problem. When a guy 612 00:26:51,720 --> 00:26:53,919 Speaker 4: goes to the team, he gets drafted, there, gives it 613 00:26:53,960 --> 00:26:56,080 Speaker 4: his all for two three, four, five years, look up 614 00:26:56,119 --> 00:26:58,520 Speaker 4: another maybe times. Well, you know we don't. I feel like, man, 615 00:26:58,680 --> 00:26:59,840 Speaker 4: I'm a lawyer to the city. I just want to 616 00:26:59,840 --> 00:27:02,120 Speaker 4: get another two three four signs another dal okay, cool 617 00:27:02,600 --> 00:27:05,800 Speaker 4: after year six, seven eight? How can you be mad 618 00:27:05,840 --> 00:27:08,240 Speaker 4: at this person if they've never paired you with other people? 619 00:27:08,320 --> 00:27:10,040 Speaker 4: You mentioned it with the Celtics ever put you in 620 00:27:10,080 --> 00:27:12,920 Speaker 4: good situations, never surrounded you with the right guys, never 621 00:27:12,960 --> 00:27:14,879 Speaker 4: had the great coach, you never had the right culture, 622 00:27:15,359 --> 00:27:19,359 Speaker 4: and you're just sitting there wallowing away, wasting away just 623 00:27:19,400 --> 00:27:21,720 Speaker 4: for you and I the you know, we had the 624 00:27:21,800 --> 00:27:24,120 Speaker 4: Kelvin and Martin show for us to go. He sucks, 625 00:27:25,440 --> 00:27:28,360 Speaker 4: he's all right, he's good. And that's to me where 626 00:27:28,400 --> 00:27:30,640 Speaker 4: I'm like, what do y'all expect from these guys? When 627 00:27:30,680 --> 00:27:32,240 Speaker 4: they and Nick you say, And this is where me 628 00:27:32,240 --> 00:27:35,680 Speaker 4: and Rob get into it all the time, especially because 629 00:27:35,760 --> 00:27:37,600 Speaker 4: Rob is fake because he actedly he don't be on 630 00:27:37,640 --> 00:27:40,000 Speaker 4: social media. Rob posts more than me and you and 631 00:27:40,080 --> 00:27:42,800 Speaker 4: Rob G combined and Alex, but he acted like, oh, 632 00:27:42,840 --> 00:27:45,760 Speaker 4: I don't even know about social media, taking shots to 633 00:27:45,880 --> 00:27:50,320 Speaker 4: Rob G, fat shaming us, Rob G and workout shaming 634 00:27:50,400 --> 00:27:53,359 Speaker 4: you and then will turn around and be like, I 635 00:27:53,359 --> 00:27:56,560 Speaker 4: don't think these players pay attention Rob. They they're twenty five, 636 00:27:56,600 --> 00:28:00,600 Speaker 4: They've known nothing but social media. It's been their entire existence. 637 00:28:01,080 --> 00:28:02,800 Speaker 4: So of course they see these things. Of course they 638 00:28:02,800 --> 00:28:04,639 Speaker 4: see the clips. Of course they see the podcast now 639 00:28:04,720 --> 00:28:06,480 Speaker 4: and everybody talking about it. He ain't this, he ain't that. 640 00:28:06,720 --> 00:28:10,840 Speaker 4: And that's why in the ring culture conversation, I was saying, everybody's. 641 00:28:10,320 --> 00:28:12,480 Speaker 3: Like, Lebron knows that he wants rings. I said, no. 642 00:28:12,640 --> 00:28:16,240 Speaker 4: What he was saying was the reason I left was 643 00:28:16,280 --> 00:28:19,199 Speaker 4: because I started to realize I got MVPs. I've been 644 00:28:19,240 --> 00:28:21,280 Speaker 4: to the finals. I lost in on seven, but I'm 645 00:28:21,280 --> 00:28:23,919 Speaker 4: doing this. Y'all know my team's number one seat. The 646 00:28:24,040 --> 00:28:26,200 Speaker 4: Big three in Boston just comes out of the blue, 647 00:28:26,200 --> 00:28:28,760 Speaker 4: and you know I can't get past them, and all. 648 00:28:28,600 --> 00:28:30,480 Speaker 3: You guys are gonna do is say, he's. 649 00:28:30,359 --> 00:28:31,719 Speaker 4: Good, but he ain't got a rings. He ain't even 650 00:28:31,720 --> 00:28:33,240 Speaker 4: better than Kobe. Kobe got but he ain't. How can 651 00:28:33,320 --> 00:28:34,840 Speaker 4: he be Jordan? He ain't better than his brother and 652 00:28:34,880 --> 00:28:36,959 Speaker 4: he knew. She's like, I gotta go chase these rings. 653 00:28:37,160 --> 00:28:39,320 Speaker 4: And my point is that's why to me lead too, 654 00:28:39,400 --> 00:28:44,840 Speaker 4: I feel like nobody has these conversations enough. And another position, quarterbacks, Dudes, 655 00:28:44,880 --> 00:28:47,480 Speaker 4: you go to a busted team, a busted franchise, don't 656 00:28:47,480 --> 00:28:51,080 Speaker 4: want to spend money. Never put anybody switching coaches at three? 657 00:28:51,120 --> 00:28:51,600 Speaker 5: Don't henders? 658 00:28:51,640 --> 00:28:53,080 Speaker 3: Do a hypothetical. 659 00:28:52,480 --> 00:28:56,040 Speaker 5: Scenario with Week five this season, when the Bengals are 660 00:28:56,040 --> 00:28:58,160 Speaker 5: two and three and Zach Taylor's on the hot seat, 661 00:28:58,240 --> 00:29:00,400 Speaker 5: They're gonna ask Joe Burrow, who would have just thrown 662 00:29:00,440 --> 00:29:02,440 Speaker 5: for three hundred and seventy five yards, three touchdowns, in 663 00:29:02,480 --> 00:29:05,240 Speaker 5: an interception and in a thirty one to seven or 664 00:29:05,280 --> 00:29:07,719 Speaker 5: a thirty one to twenty one lost to Baltimore. They 665 00:29:07,800 --> 00:29:11,360 Speaker 5: gonna be like, Joe, why why aren't you getting it done? 666 00:29:11,560 --> 00:29:13,880 Speaker 5: And there would be no conversation of the fact that well, 667 00:29:14,080 --> 00:29:16,880 Speaker 5: the leading the sack leader in the NFL, we couldn't 668 00:29:16,920 --> 00:29:19,440 Speaker 5: get him in camp, and then his replacement, who we 669 00:29:19,520 --> 00:29:22,080 Speaker 5: drafted in the first round. We couldn't get him in camp. 670 00:29:22,120 --> 00:29:24,240 Speaker 5: Mind you, he was a project because he only had 671 00:29:24,280 --> 00:29:27,760 Speaker 5: four and a half college sacks. That's just the quick math, 672 00:29:29,040 --> 00:29:31,640 Speaker 5: five times less than our sack leader had, right, I 673 00:29:31,720 --> 00:29:35,040 Speaker 5: was like that that Trey Hendrickson did have. So like 674 00:29:35,200 --> 00:29:37,280 Speaker 5: all of those things. Oh and also too, we just 675 00:29:37,360 --> 00:29:41,200 Speaker 5: paid two wide receivers top of the market money. After 676 00:29:41,800 --> 00:29:45,880 Speaker 5: pro rating this all. Maybe there's a reason why the 677 00:29:45,920 --> 00:29:48,479 Speaker 5: Bengals have gone off to a slow start every single 678 00:29:48,560 --> 00:29:50,680 Speaker 5: year of Joe Burrow's career that may have. 679 00:29:50,600 --> 00:29:52,280 Speaker 4: Nothing to do with him or everything to do with him. 680 00:29:53,240 --> 00:29:56,000 Speaker 4: There you go, and that happens so often. Man Rice 681 00:29:56,080 --> 00:29:58,120 Speaker 4: Young ends up in Green Bay sits a year or 682 00:29:58,160 --> 00:30:00,080 Speaker 4: two behind. Let's say it was Annon Rodgers or I 683 00:30:00,160 --> 00:30:02,240 Speaker 4: will be Jordan Love, whatever the case would be. Stable 684 00:30:02,320 --> 00:30:04,760 Speaker 4: organization or organization. That's one has been really good for 685 00:30:04,880 --> 00:30:07,760 Speaker 4: sixty seven eighty years. All of a sudden, brance Young, 686 00:30:07,800 --> 00:30:10,120 Speaker 4: we might man, I ain't pretty dag gone good. But 687 00:30:10,160 --> 00:30:12,000 Speaker 4: he goes to the Panthers, nothing going on. They're running 688 00:30:12,040 --> 00:30:14,840 Speaker 4: for his life, and now you're like, he ain't nothing. 689 00:30:14,880 --> 00:30:16,360 Speaker 4: He shouldn't even be in the NFL, and to me, 690 00:30:16,480 --> 00:30:19,400 Speaker 4: I think quarterbacks and star NBA players who are young 691 00:30:19,400 --> 00:30:21,720 Speaker 4: who get drafted. I go to these, you know, the abyss, 692 00:30:21,920 --> 00:30:22,840 Speaker 4: I'm always like, what are you? 693 00:30:22,960 --> 00:30:23,040 Speaker 8: So? 694 00:30:23,080 --> 00:30:24,760 Speaker 4: They got to stay there just to make y'all happy, 695 00:30:24,840 --> 00:30:26,000 Speaker 4: So you don't burn their jerseys. 696 00:30:26,120 --> 00:30:29,360 Speaker 5: That's the thing, And it's the thing because I as 697 00:30:29,400 --> 00:30:31,720 Speaker 5: a primary sports fan more than anything else. I know 698 00:30:31,760 --> 00:30:34,080 Speaker 5: that the journalist thing. But I came into this business 699 00:30:34,120 --> 00:30:39,120 Speaker 5: as a fan and try to stay so I like sports. Yeah, no, witch, 700 00:30:39,120 --> 00:30:44,120 Speaker 5: nobody for me to be in Uh No one listening 701 00:30:44,120 --> 00:30:48,040 Speaker 5: to my voice right now. Working at a company that 702 00:30:48,120 --> 00:30:52,760 Speaker 5: has any competitor would stay where they work if every 703 00:30:52,960 --> 00:30:56,600 Speaker 5: things are pretty much the same for less money, nobody 704 00:30:56,640 --> 00:30:57,120 Speaker 5: would do it. 705 00:30:57,200 --> 00:30:59,280 Speaker 3: Rob g been trying to lead. Just somebody paying fifty 706 00:30:59,280 --> 00:30:59,960 Speaker 3: cent more for how long? 707 00:31:01,320 --> 00:31:03,800 Speaker 5: No one would do that. And so you telling me 708 00:31:03,840 --> 00:31:06,440 Speaker 5: that I have an opportunity to leave one corporation to 709 00:31:06,480 --> 00:31:09,000 Speaker 5: go to another one that's gonna pay me x y 710 00:31:09,200 --> 00:31:10,040 Speaker 5: Z that much more. 711 00:31:10,680 --> 00:31:13,880 Speaker 3: Because all these teams are there, they got bosses. 712 00:31:13,680 --> 00:31:16,640 Speaker 4: Just like you do and been in the opposite and 713 00:31:16,680 --> 00:31:19,280 Speaker 4: so when that happens here, I am burning jerseys. I 714 00:31:19,280 --> 00:31:22,000 Speaker 4: can never quite understood how so it's always on the players, 715 00:31:22,040 --> 00:31:22,600 Speaker 4: not the owners. 716 00:31:22,640 --> 00:31:26,240 Speaker 5: I got one for you because the pre eminent athlete 717 00:31:26,320 --> 00:31:29,520 Speaker 5: podcaster just dropped a quote that we got to talk 718 00:31:29,520 --> 00:31:30,560 Speaker 5: about in just a minute. 719 00:31:30,640 --> 00:31:32,960 Speaker 3: But I want to leave you to think about this. Huh. 720 00:31:33,120 --> 00:31:36,760 Speaker 5: Kevin Durant started a lot of this conversation and it's 721 00:31:36,880 --> 00:31:41,479 Speaker 5: Kevin Durant is a mount Rushmore celebrity tweeter. Who are 722 00:31:41,520 --> 00:31:45,760 Speaker 5: your other three? Ooh? That and the quote from the 723 00:31:45,920 --> 00:31:50,120 Speaker 5: preeminent podcaster what he had to say about this tomorrow 724 00:31:50,200 --> 00:31:50,760 Speaker 5: night's draft. 725 00:31:50,800 --> 00:31:52,920 Speaker 4: We'll do that and man and last Call eight seven, 726 00:31:53,000 --> 00:31:54,960 Speaker 4: seven ninety nine on Fox, It's The Odd Couple Fox 727 00:31:55,000 --> 00:31:55,600 Speaker 4: Sports Radio. 728 00:31:55,800 --> 00:31:58,200 Speaker 2: Be sure to catch live editions of The Odd Couple 729 00:31:58,320 --> 00:32:02,040 Speaker 2: with Rob Parker and kelvin Washington weekdays at seven pm 730 00:32:02,120 --> 00:32:05,720 Speaker 2: Eastern four pm Pacific on Fox Sports Radio and the 731 00:32:05,760 --> 00:32:06,880 Speaker 2: iHeartRadio app. 732 00:32:07,080 --> 00:32:08,040 Speaker 5: Hi. This is Jay. 733 00:32:08,160 --> 00:32:10,240 Speaker 7: I'm the producer of the Paul and Tony Fusco Show. 734 00:32:10,400 --> 00:32:12,480 Speaker 7: Usually in these promos they asked you to listen to 735 00:32:12,520 --> 00:32:15,160 Speaker 7: the show. I'm here to ask you please don't listen 736 00:32:15,200 --> 00:32:17,840 Speaker 7: to the show. The hosts are two absolute morons who 737 00:32:17,880 --> 00:32:20,480 Speaker 7: have the dumbest takes on sports imaginable don't listen to 738 00:32:20,520 --> 00:32:22,400 Speaker 7: the show so it can get cancel the. 739 00:32:23,480 --> 00:32:29,080 Speaker 3: Studio, get him, Ignore that fool. 740 00:32:29,240 --> 00:32:31,960 Speaker 9: Listen to the Tony Fosco Show on the iHeart Radio 741 00:32:32,000 --> 00:32:33,640 Speaker 9: app or wherever you get your podcast. 742 00:32:33,800 --> 00:32:34,600 Speaker 5: He's still moving. 743 00:32:37,040 --> 00:32:37,760 Speaker 3: The odd Couple. 744 00:32:37,920 --> 00:32:40,520 Speaker 4: Calvin Washington, Martin Weiss one more time for us before 745 00:32:40,560 --> 00:32:43,280 Speaker 4: we call it a day. Shout out to Martin filling 746 00:32:43,320 --> 00:32:45,240 Speaker 4: in for Rob for a couple of days. Rob out 747 00:32:45,240 --> 00:32:47,960 Speaker 4: their uh sniping people on on Twitter and Instagram. 748 00:32:48,760 --> 00:32:50,800 Speaker 3: The real question, Robs, are you gonna're gonna snipe back? 749 00:32:50,840 --> 00:32:51,440 Speaker 3: What you're gonna do? 750 00:32:51,880 --> 00:32:52,120 Speaker 5: Huh? 751 00:32:52,320 --> 00:32:52,920 Speaker 3: You're gonna say? 752 00:32:52,960 --> 00:32:54,320 Speaker 5: What's your check on saying nothing? 753 00:32:54,680 --> 00:32:57,000 Speaker 4: You're gonna say look at it? Don't act like that. 754 00:32:57,800 --> 00:32:59,600 Speaker 4: Bere editing up the podcast. Make sure you check out 755 00:32:59,600 --> 00:33:01,360 Speaker 4: the podcast, by the way, if you get a chance to, 756 00:33:01,840 --> 00:33:03,200 Speaker 4: and our YouTube page as well. 757 00:33:03,240 --> 00:33:05,760 Speaker 3: You are before we go, you were saying, so i'mou 758 00:33:05,800 --> 00:33:07,360 Speaker 3: kd and and Twitter. 759 00:33:07,080 --> 00:33:10,400 Speaker 5: Well, because I I think Keavin Durant is on the 760 00:33:10,400 --> 00:33:14,200 Speaker 5: mount Rushmore of celebrity tweeters, and I've been asking this 761 00:33:14,280 --> 00:33:15,840 Speaker 5: is my question of the day. 762 00:33:15,960 --> 00:33:19,200 Speaker 3: I like to ask everybody who else is on your list? 763 00:33:19,360 --> 00:33:22,200 Speaker 5: So if anybody here wants to participate in an next 764 00:33:22,200 --> 00:33:23,920 Speaker 5: couple of minutes, I'll give you a moment to thank you. 765 00:33:23,960 --> 00:33:26,880 Speaker 5: Tweet us Matt Martin Wise at KB Live let us 766 00:33:26,880 --> 00:33:30,160 Speaker 5: know who you think. In the meantime, the preeminent athlete podcaster, 767 00:33:31,000 --> 00:33:34,240 Speaker 5: that's Paul George. He released a new episode of Podcast 768 00:33:34,320 --> 00:33:37,240 Speaker 5: P and he said, quote and the thing I think 769 00:33:37,240 --> 00:33:39,200 Speaker 5: if I'm Mace Bailey, I can't get mad with my 770 00:33:39,280 --> 00:33:42,520 Speaker 5: stock drops. But he's canceled all workouts. He hasn't worked 771 00:33:42,520 --> 00:33:44,280 Speaker 5: out for any team, so they made a big deal. 772 00:33:44,320 --> 00:33:47,280 Speaker 5: They were scheduled to canceled the day up. The more 773 00:33:47,320 --> 00:33:50,040 Speaker 5: of it is make it to the league first. It's 774 00:33:50,080 --> 00:33:52,120 Speaker 5: for sure that people around him, I don't know who's 775 00:33:52,160 --> 00:33:54,360 Speaker 5: representing him, but they're going about it the wrong way. 776 00:33:55,120 --> 00:33:57,080 Speaker 5: But make it to the league first is kind of 777 00:33:57,080 --> 00:33:58,719 Speaker 5: Paul George's advice. 778 00:33:59,680 --> 00:34:01,920 Speaker 3: Until listen to it seems to a guy who may 779 00:34:02,000 --> 00:34:03,000 Speaker 3: be his new as teammate. 780 00:34:03,440 --> 00:34:07,040 Speaker 4: Yeah, well that's what And then funny for the Sixers 781 00:34:07,080 --> 00:34:08,759 Speaker 4: to be clear, I don't think there's gonna be like 782 00:34:08,840 --> 00:34:11,759 Speaker 4: Podcast PA with Podcast P plus A. 783 00:34:12,080 --> 00:34:12,279 Speaker 5: No. 784 00:34:12,600 --> 00:34:14,560 Speaker 4: Yeah, he was just he was just he'll be there. 785 00:34:14,560 --> 00:34:16,919 Speaker 4: And the thing interesting about this will makes Katie so great. 786 00:34:17,160 --> 00:34:24,360 Speaker 4: Katie will jump in anybody's tweet, Yes, music, football. 787 00:34:25,880 --> 00:34:26,320 Speaker 5: Shoes. 788 00:34:26,760 --> 00:34:28,960 Speaker 4: He just jumps in anything. And I'm all, I'm shocked. 789 00:34:29,040 --> 00:34:30,840 Speaker 4: Given a few minutes, I wouldn't be shocked to be 790 00:34:30,880 --> 00:34:32,760 Speaker 4: jumped into this one. No, Paul, you got it wrong. 791 00:34:33,040 --> 00:34:35,799 Speaker 4: Sometime we got empowered player empowerment, you know, let him 792 00:34:35,800 --> 00:34:38,319 Speaker 4: know you're not going like Kevin Durant knows no end. 793 00:34:38,360 --> 00:34:41,000 Speaker 4: I mean, and that's what makes him either frustrating on 794 00:34:41,080 --> 00:34:43,960 Speaker 4: one and if you're maybe if you're his brand manager, 795 00:34:44,000 --> 00:34:45,239 Speaker 4: if you're his teammate, I mean, you don't got to 796 00:34:45,280 --> 00:34:47,880 Speaker 4: jump in every beef or the opposite is that you're like. 797 00:34:47,920 --> 00:34:50,920 Speaker 4: We love it that he's authentically himself and he engages. 798 00:34:51,000 --> 00:34:52,920 Speaker 4: He said, he said, I love doing this because I 799 00:34:52,920 --> 00:34:55,040 Speaker 4: love talking to fans. He really does that. 800 00:34:55,440 --> 00:34:59,560 Speaker 5: And I think also too, we're the same age, Kevin Durant. 801 00:35:00,360 --> 00:35:03,200 Speaker 5: We all are chronically online. There's some people who don't 802 00:35:03,200 --> 00:35:06,040 Speaker 5: post anything, there's some people who post everything. He is 803 00:35:06,120 --> 00:35:08,239 Speaker 5: just one of those who happens to post everything. Who 804 00:35:08,320 --> 00:35:12,759 Speaker 5: was also gotten more millions of dollars than I'll ever imagine. Hey, 805 00:35:12,960 --> 00:35:18,319 Speaker 5: and he, to his credit, will jump into something. We'll 806 00:35:18,360 --> 00:35:20,799 Speaker 5: get into something He's not like a some people jump 807 00:35:20,800 --> 00:35:23,000 Speaker 5: in jump out like a Lebron's gonna jump in say 808 00:35:23,040 --> 00:35:24,680 Speaker 5: this thing y'all thought, y'all said this about me, and 809 00:35:24,680 --> 00:35:27,600 Speaker 5: they's gonna jump out. No, KD was standing there go by, 810 00:35:27,640 --> 00:35:29,040 Speaker 5: I mean him and Ryan Clark just went out there 811 00:35:29,080 --> 00:35:31,040 Speaker 5: a couple of few weeks back about so I can't 812 00:35:31,040 --> 00:35:33,399 Speaker 5: remember what it was, but they they go he is 813 00:35:33,760 --> 00:35:35,160 Speaker 5: KD is in it for the love of the game. 814 00:35:35,239 --> 00:35:39,040 Speaker 4: Yeah, he like enjoys the battles. And I'm always kind 815 00:35:39,080 --> 00:35:41,040 Speaker 4: of blown away from like, man, you really because you 816 00:35:41,080 --> 00:35:42,360 Speaker 4: want to go? You want to We all want to 817 00:35:42,400 --> 00:35:44,359 Speaker 4: start to be his schedule, Like don't you have time? 818 00:35:44,520 --> 00:35:45,080 Speaker 3: How you have time? 819 00:35:45,360 --> 00:35:45,680 Speaker 5: You got to do? 820 00:35:45,840 --> 00:35:47,160 Speaker 3: Like, dude, No, everybody has time. 821 00:35:47,280 --> 00:35:47,480 Speaker 5: Dude. 822 00:35:47,520 --> 00:35:48,959 Speaker 3: He's on his way to that meeting. 823 00:35:49,000 --> 00:35:50,880 Speaker 4: It's gonna be a forty five minute driving through New 824 00:35:50,960 --> 00:35:53,399 Speaker 4: York in a black truck and he's in the back, 825 00:35:53,800 --> 00:35:55,080 Speaker 4: so he's got time to do that. 826 00:35:55,120 --> 00:35:56,759 Speaker 3: We have a few other who else would you like 827 00:35:56,800 --> 00:35:57,000 Speaker 3: to know? 828 00:35:57,120 --> 00:36:00,440 Speaker 5: My the polling from the class who she got and 829 00:36:00,480 --> 00:36:02,960 Speaker 5: I also landed on both of these two, but I 830 00:36:03,000 --> 00:36:05,359 Speaker 5: wasn't sure how much they qualify, which maybe the mount 831 00:36:05,400 --> 00:36:07,719 Speaker 5: Rushmore might just be one, and Kevin Durant's came to. 832 00:36:09,280 --> 00:36:12,200 Speaker 3: The first one. The current president of the United State 833 00:36:12,280 --> 00:36:12,920 Speaker 3: is Donald Trump. 834 00:36:13,680 --> 00:36:18,479 Speaker 5: However, while he was on a heater on Twitter, he quit, 835 00:36:19,040 --> 00:36:20,520 Speaker 5: did he is truth? Social? 836 00:36:20,680 --> 00:36:24,319 Speaker 3: He boss quit you look at it. 837 00:36:24,480 --> 00:36:26,480 Speaker 5: Whatever it is, he left the platform. And if you 838 00:36:26,600 --> 00:36:28,120 Speaker 5: quit the game, then I don't know how you can 839 00:36:28,160 --> 00:36:28,640 Speaker 5: be the champ. 840 00:36:28,760 --> 00:36:31,080 Speaker 4: So who you got well is one person as far 841 00:36:31,120 --> 00:36:33,640 Speaker 4: as knowing how to throw something starts and firing, you know, 842 00:36:33,760 --> 00:36:37,239 Speaker 4: it's just like watch me let this burn Jamail. But 843 00:36:37,400 --> 00:36:39,520 Speaker 4: that's kind of what she also does on the cheeko 844 00:36:39,960 --> 00:36:42,359 Speaker 4: she is in the media. I don't know how that's 845 00:36:42,360 --> 00:36:44,759 Speaker 4: what I'm saying. I think she's kind of that's not exactly. 846 00:36:44,880 --> 00:36:48,680 Speaker 5: I don't think that fits because without social media, and 847 00:36:48,880 --> 00:36:51,840 Speaker 5: I get it was like she's obviously a successful journalists, 848 00:36:51,840 --> 00:36:55,000 Speaker 5: not downplaying that, but like, would she still be as 849 00:36:55,000 --> 00:36:57,439 Speaker 5: famous as she is if she wasn't on social Kevin 850 00:36:58,000 --> 00:37:00,560 Speaker 5: is a basketball player and that's what I know him. 851 00:37:00,640 --> 00:37:05,759 Speaker 5: So here's the other one. Who, Hey, Twitter world, do 852 00:37:05,760 --> 00:37:09,680 Speaker 5: you know what I'm talking about? Magic? No? Okay, rest 853 00:37:09,680 --> 00:37:14,319 Speaker 5: in peace. O. J. Simpson was one of the best sweeters. Hey, 854 00:37:14,320 --> 00:37:18,480 Speaker 5: Twitter world. Everybody knows. 855 00:37:20,120 --> 00:37:21,080 Speaker 3: Rest in peace, Oja. 856 00:37:21,200 --> 00:37:25,239 Speaker 1: I guess the Jason Smith Show with Mike Harmon is 857 00:37:25,280 --> 00:37:26,080 Speaker 1: coming up next. 858 00:37:26,200 --> 00:37:27,719 Speaker 2: I never miss your radio show. 859 00:37:27,880 --> 00:37:29,520 Speaker 5: I never hear it, so I never miss it. 860 00:37:29,560 --> 00:37:30,279 Speaker 3: Did you hear that