Speaker 1: What's up everyone on Tory Deal And I'm Anissa Ferreira
Speaker 1: and this is MTV's official Challenge podcast.
Speaker 2: This is the final episode, Asa.
Speaker 1: I mean, I wish there were just twenty more episodes.
Speaker 1: I love All Stars for I am so excited to
Speaker 1: jump into this episode with you, Tori, because it is.
Speaker 1: It's a good one. Lot of twists and turns.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and they left us off on that crazy cliffhanger
Speaker 2: last week we had to figure out if Derek was
Speaker 2: going home or if Laurel was, And obviously Derek ends
Speaker 2: up going home, and here we are back in this final.
Speaker 2: He's the first person to go. But how crazy is it?
Speaker 2: Like what a twist that in this final you get
Speaker 2: to give your star away once you leave the game.
Speaker 1: I just would have been in there collecting stars.
Speaker 2: Yeah, like you a lot of really pay.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it really pays to have a social game and
Speaker 1: try and create friendships. I think that that really does
Speaker 1: affect not only like your game, but like your time there,
Speaker 1: like let's enjoy it, you know. And I think that
Speaker 1: also like lightens the mood helps with morale and you
Speaker 1: need it because these finals are daunting.
Speaker 2: Yes, absolutely, And I even think it was nice, like
Speaker 2: before they even really got into the episode and started
Speaker 2: going through the rest of the challenges, like they showcased
Speaker 2: how all of these players use different strategies to make
Speaker 2: it to the final. You know, you had people who
Speaker 2: went into eliminations, you had people who were given stars
Speaker 2: based on friendships and played a low political game. And
Speaker 2: I think that, like there's always this talk in the
Speaker 2: challenge community of like, oh, this person isn't deserving of
Speaker 2: getting there because they, like you know, roade coattails to
Speaker 2: get to the final, But all of these gameplays are
Speaker 2: like acceptable because if it gets you to the end,
Speaker 2: it gets you to the end.
Speaker 1: Right, isn't that the point? Yeah, I don't care what
Speaker 1: you got to do. Listen, I'll do some strange shit
Speaker 1: for a star. I mean, looking at this final, it's strange,
Speaker 1: you know it is. It is one of the different
Speaker 1: if we could look at it as it's progressing, we're
Speaker 1: seeing the games. I mean, I'm only expecting there to
Speaker 1: be more of these kinds of games where anyone, like you,
Speaker 1: you don't know who's gonna win this.
Speaker 2: Are you telling me that spicy Foot wasn't a normal
Speaker 2: thing to see in the final.
Speaker 1: It's like who came up with that, I don't know.
Speaker 1: I don't know. If you're out there, Spicy Foot, we
Speaker 1: support you, just one foot spicy, not both, dude.
Speaker 2: Well. I think that part of the challenge was really
Speaker 2: interesting though, because people were dying. I mean it was
Speaker 2: like they were just getting wopped in the face of
Speaker 2: these peppers and then Leroy drops his on the floor
Speaker 2: and falls to their.
Speaker 1: Line right, which I thought was amazing because it's like,
Speaker 1: by any means necessary, yeah, oh, by any means necessary.
Speaker 1: I really thought Steve was gonna take this one, especially
Speaker 1: when he's like, I grew up eating like this is nothing, right,
Speaker 1: and I remember if you ever eat anything hot, especially
Speaker 1: when you don't get fed in a final, it just
Speaker 1: sits there and like, spicy stuff is not fun on
Speaker 1: an empty stomach.
Speaker 2: No, definitely not. And obviously like that gave a huge
Speaker 2: advantage to Nicole when she won that. It lowered her
Speaker 2: a line in the next Balance for Survival challenge, which
Speaker 2: was also just bizarre. They were playing like marionettes with
Speaker 2: like cherry juice. It's like, who, yeah, I didn't know
Speaker 2: what that was.
Speaker 1: I hope it was tart cherry juice, because that's really
Speaker 1: good for soreness. However, it could have been like food coloring,
Speaker 1: but it was just so it looked like kids with
Speaker 1: kool aid on it. It looked so ridiculous. And I
Speaker 1: love Veronica because it just takes me back to like
Speaker 1: the plank thing, Like she's just this tiny little thing. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and hers was just going everywhere, Yeah, like everywhere she
Speaker 1: didn't want it to go. And then it was like
Speaker 1: Laurel had been doing this in her backyard.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Laurel was a pro. It was just like easy
Speaker 2: for her. She was like, hah, I got everyone else
Speaker 2: was struggling and this was an elimination one. So it
Speaker 2: was just really intense and like I'm sure stress was
Speaker 2: at an all time high, and for it to end
Speaker 2: up with Veronica and Leroy at the very end, I
Speaker 2: was like, damn, I was not expecting that. Like this
Speaker 2: is one of those games where you just never know
Speaker 2: if you're gonna thrive.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, all you need is one Marionette to
Speaker 1: the face in the right direction and you hear Laurel
Speaker 1: like lipstop Laurel's commentary trying to coach Veronica to a
Speaker 1: win there, So it was hilarious, Like how do you
Speaker 1: coach somebody to do any of that, but good on
Speaker 1: her for the support. You can see that. Like, I
Speaker 1: don't know if they really went into their friendship, but
Speaker 1: there definitely was a friendship made. You can see how
Speaker 1: they're cheering and they're supportive of one another.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: I just love that. You know, when Leroy does lose unfortunately,
Speaker 1: the joy that he has to see his kid and
Speaker 1: the fact that he just took it with such grace.
Speaker 1: I know, we just a graceful dude. So yeah, it
Speaker 1: was nice to see that. And then also nice of
Speaker 1: him to like a nod to Steve, like, I see you,
Speaker 1: I recognize you. We might not be the best of
Speaker 1: friends basically, but you went in a million eliminations. Why
Speaker 1: don't you here you go? Yes, Yeah, I was cool.
Speaker 2: I thought that was really cool too. I really did.
Speaker 1: I wasn't going to have gone anywhere exactly.
Speaker 2: And I really wasn't expecting it. And then the next game,
Speaker 2: because these games just keep getting.
Speaker 3: Hose hose ball.
Speaker 1: I don't know who came up with any of this.
Speaker 1: They were like, let's put the firefighting aspect into it.
Speaker 1: Let's also put balls in, but.
Speaker 2: Let's put TJ in a mustache let's put tj in
Speaker 2: a mustache in an anchor Like, what was he doing?
Speaker 2: He was?
Speaker 1: He was like Anchorman, he stole one of your mustaches.
Speaker 1: I would like it back.
Speaker 2: I felt like that was my mustache.
Speaker 1: I think production was like, Yo, how do we make
Speaker 1: him look ridiculous? Ah, let's get one of those mustaches,
Speaker 1: toy where just because it's Tuesday, dude.
Speaker 2: But he crushed it. He did.
Speaker 1: I was cracking. I mean, I love how interactive he's
Speaker 1: been this season so good, and I really love this
Speaker 1: side of him because he's always wanted to like play
Speaker 1: with us. Now he gets to be like an interactive
Speaker 1: more of an interactive part.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Define And it's interesting because like a lot of
Speaker 2: these games, they they don't seem so intense, but they
Speaker 2: take a lot of attention and accuracy. But now we're
Speaker 2: really starting to get them heated up, like we watched
Speaker 2: Nicole go into it with Steve and everyone's starting to fight,
Speaker 2: and like in hose Ball, I think we kind of
Speaker 2: get a shift in the final the energy starts to
Speaker 2: get a little bit more daunting because now they're going
Speaker 2: into a double elimination immediately after this, and Ace and
Speaker 2: Carl Maria have the upper hand and they get to
Speaker 2: go into this bluff night checkpoint.
Speaker 1: I loved the bluff Night. I thought that was so cool.
Speaker 1: It was spooky. Yeah, it was like all of these
Speaker 1: like dungeon rooms, but like pick your poison. However, you know,
Speaker 1: piss somebody off enough like Laurel and she's beaten nails into.
Speaker 2: A thing, dude.
Speaker 1: So it it was I think really hard to gauge
Speaker 1: except for the ball one, but between like the stars
Speaker 1: and the nail, Like, I think the balls where you
Speaker 1: would mess somebody up. And I think Lara didn't. I mean,
Speaker 1: hindsight's twenty twenty. I don't think she expected the balls
Speaker 1: to be harder than the nails. Yeah, so she tried
Speaker 1: to set Laurel up because you know, that is her
Speaker 1: competition in this right, And if you're gonna pace yourself
Speaker 1: with somebody, you pace them with somebody who's great. Yep,
Speaker 1: you know, and you tried f them. Yeah, so I
Speaker 1: get what she was trying to do. I would have
Speaker 1: done the same thing.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I mean, the tensions at an all time high,
Speaker 2: you know, and then they obviously Nicole and Veronica, even
Speaker 2: though Laurel went last, she hammered down those nails so quickly,
Speaker 2: and she stays in the game, and Nicole and Veronica
Speaker 2: give their stars to Laurel, and this is definitely a
Speaker 2: turning point in the game.
Speaker 1: Like, yeah, I feel like the queer alliance had already formed. Yeah,
Speaker 1: for sure, and I'm here for it. I love it.
Speaker 1: I love women supporting women, and I love that lie
Speaker 1: like they both gave it to her, Like if anybody's
Speaker 1: gonna take this, we want you to have a really
Speaker 1: good shot. Yeah, I mean what that must feel so
Speaker 1: nice because we know Laurel, you know what I mean,
Speaker 1: and she's very like very She's very Laurel if you
Speaker 1: know her, so like to see her branch out and
Speaker 1: to see how like these friendships and her opening up
Speaker 1: is benefiting her is a really nice shift for me.
Speaker 1: I think, to see like a softer side. I mean,
Speaker 1: Laurel's soft, you know what I'm saying. She's like a
Speaker 1: competitor and she's strong, and it's like to see that
Speaker 1: more vulnerable side of hers really sweet. I agree.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you're able to see it. Yeah, same, I agree.
Speaker 2: Even though we didn't see it when they were sleeping.
Speaker 2: They were sleeping on the Overnight Challenge, she was her
Speaker 2: room was on one side, and then Steve asen Carr.
Speaker 1: But that's so Laurel put a shirt over her head.
Speaker 1: She's going to bed.
Speaker 2: Yeah, she's gone.
Speaker 1: She probably loved that sleep. I'm so mad we didn't
Speaker 1: get like a whole interview from that. Yeah, that's like
Speaker 1: the bed Laurel's has been looking for for on Challenges
Speaker 1: for probably the last four seasons.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, oh Man.
Speaker 1: Wants to be in a hammock away from everyone.
Speaker 2: Yeah. So they wake up the next day and we
Speaker 2: start this loop portion, which looks absolutely miserable. I have
Speaker 2: no interest in doing it. I've done loops before in
Speaker 2: the past. It's always yucky, and this one was extremely lucky.
Speaker 2: There was drink it, connect it, rocket, build it, and
Speaker 2: swing it, and basically, if you had a star, you
Speaker 2: could place a star on one of the games so
Speaker 2: that you didn't have to compete in that specific checkpoint. Anissa,
Speaker 2: what were your thoughts on this?
Speaker 1: I liked it. I think that it would have been fun.
Speaker 1: I didn't know. I mean, I wouldn't have eaten the cockroach,
Speaker 1: so bye bye. Hey. I just stick my head on
Speaker 1: one of those things once, and those cockroaches are they're friendly.
Speaker 1: But they don't like them. You know, I love a puzzle.
Speaker 1: There has been a lot of stacking lately. We see
Speaker 1: it on thirty nine, we see it here. We've definitely
Speaker 1: see vertical puzzles before. I'm really concerned about the throwing
Speaker 1: the rings onto a hook though. I feel like that
Speaker 1: one's going to trip people up, and I think the
Speaker 1: puzzle may trip people up a bit.
Speaker 2: Go Overall, it was a really interesting combination of games,
Speaker 2: and it was just clear that if you had more
Speaker 2: stars in this of the final, it was definitely to
Speaker 2: your advantage, and that helped Laurel secure the bag. I mean,
Speaker 2: Laurel one first place, absolutely dominated this final and she
Speaker 2: made friends along the way and it was beautiful to watch.
Speaker 1: But it's in shout out to all the people that
Speaker 1: ever said, oh my god, you make too many friends,
Speaker 1: and not just about me, but anybody who's made a
Speaker 1: lot of friends. This was the season to do it. Yeah, okay,
Speaker 1: you better get fucking friendly. Yeah you better, because you
Speaker 1: know what that could be the difference between you winning
Speaker 1: a challenge. I knew going home for sure, So starpying,
Speaker 1: nicety and ice making friends.
Speaker 2: Yep, and second place, against all odds, this person had
Speaker 2: to go into two eliminations. This season, they had one
Speaker 2: star in the final, Carl Maria pulls up that second
Speaker 2: place position and like, I think this, regardless of her
Speaker 2: not getting first place, it definitely solidifies her as one
Speaker 2: of the best competitors. And all season people were saying
Speaker 2: Laurel and Carr are the ones to be and look,
Speaker 2: they're placing number one and two. You know what a
Speaker 2: showdown honestly, And I'm so excited that we get to
Speaker 2: have Cara on this podcast because she did have such
Speaker 2: a dominating season. So we are not going to have
Speaker 2: Laurel on this episode, but we will have Cara on.
Speaker 1: I think that having Kara on here, because she had
Speaker 1: some hard times and some friendship disturbances and some you know,
Speaker 1: she was in a lot of stuff this season, it
Speaker 1: would be nice to hear her side and how she
Speaker 1: felt about, you know, doing this final and coming back
Speaker 1: to the challenge after all this time.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I totally agree, And it would also be nice
Speaker 2: to have Ace on here. But rumor has it he
Speaker 2: started a podcast with some cockroaches, So if we wanted
Speaker 2: to went into the oh, I'm sure we can go
Speaker 2: find it out. But let's get into the all star
Speaker 2: and no Star of this episode, and then let's get
Speaker 2: right into that interview, and he said, who do you
Speaker 2: want to give your.
Speaker 1: All star to? I mean, I'm going to give it
Speaker 1: to Laurel. She played super smart with the star loop
Speaker 1: and she also made friends and that really paid off.
Speaker 1: So definitely I have to give it to her, you know, Yep.
Speaker 2: I agree, And in the nature of not giving the
Speaker 2: person the same star, I am going to give mine
Speaker 2: to Kara Marie because she just had such a hard journey.
Speaker 1: This has grown so much. I love all of this growth.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, I mean she's had a really hard journey
Speaker 2: in this game and she really showed up. I think
Speaker 2: she deserves the star, to say the least, a star
Speaker 2: from us. Yeah, who do you think? It's the no
Speaker 2: star of the episode?
Speaker 1: Oh? Poor Ace? Well, actually, no, Steve. God there's a
Speaker 1: lot and.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think Steve made a crucial mistake for sure.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and I don't want to give him a no
Speaker 1: star because it makes me feel bad because anyone could
Speaker 1: have made that mistake. Yeah, however, I think that cost
Speaker 1: him his chance at winning.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I also Steve, just to lighten the load a
Speaker 2: bit or share the no star that sad feeling. The cockroaches, well,
Speaker 2: the cockroaches, Yeah, I think the cockroaches. Like I would
Speaker 2: also give a special honorable mention to Ace for scooping
Speaker 2: up the cockroaches at the end and setting them free.
Speaker 2: That was amazing.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, I know he gets a star for that.
Speaker 1: I want to give stars out for so many things.
Speaker 2: Yeah, because no one's there's really.
Speaker 1: No no star, Like all these people worked really hard
Speaker 1: this season. Yeah, and you know, I'm proud. I'm proud
Speaker 1: of them. I love all stars for and I'm glad
Speaker 1: we got to be a part of it from this
Speaker 1: side of the screen.
Speaker 2: Yes, And I think that this episode of the podcast
Speaker 2: is going to be one of the most popular yet
Speaker 2: because car Maria is coming on to talk to us
Speaker 2: about this incredible season and maybe she didn't win it,
Speaker 2: but she definitely deserves a trophy for what she put
Speaker 2: up with and how much she conquered. So stay tuned, guys,
Speaker 2: because we have carl Maria coming on the podcast right
Speaker 2: after this. Okay, Anissa, let's.
Speaker 1: Get back to the show, all right, folks. This woman
Speaker 1: you have not seen on your screens for a while,
Speaker 1: and I know that her return was highly anticipated, and
Speaker 1: she did not disappoint. Her first show was Fresh Meat Too.
Speaker 1: She is a two time Challenge champion. Please welcome Lar
Speaker 1: Maria three times three times.
Speaker 3: I'm counting pro I'm counting pros versus champion. I did
Speaker 3: have to face pro athletes, so I'm going to count that.
Speaker 3: People are counting All stars. I'm counting pros can count that.
Speaker 1: Listen as you should. I just I feel like you
Speaker 1: should count everything I do. If we were on a show,
Speaker 1: I think it counts.
Speaker 3: I agree.
Speaker 1: That's what point I'm at. So you're finally back. I
Speaker 1: don't even know how many years has it been.
Speaker 3: That would require math, So I'll pass.
Speaker 1: Okay, so we'll skip. Toy's not going to answer it either,
Speaker 1: because too it's not good at math. What made you
Speaker 1: come back? Uh?
Speaker 3: There was just way too many people rooting for me
Speaker 3: to come back. The fans were very loud, not spoken,
Speaker 3: and I'm very thankful for them. And with that break
Speaker 3: came being in a better mental space. So I figured
Speaker 3: it was time. Plus with the All Stars as an opportunity,
Speaker 3: and with it being more old school, it was kind
Speaker 3: of good to put my toes back in the water.
Speaker 3: With that opportunity.
Speaker 2: You can see the break, how great it was for you.
Speaker 2: I mean, this is Scott to be such a great
Speaker 2: season for you. You crushed two eliminations, and you went up
Speaker 2: against really incredible competitors and you come in second place.
Speaker 2: And before we even go through the whole entire season
Speaker 2: of how you played it well, I think it's just
Speaker 2: really clear that, like, you came back from a big
Speaker 2: break and you showed the fuck up. But I want
Speaker 2: to know, before you even got that call, or right
Speaker 2: when you got that call, was it there like hesitation
Speaker 2: in the yes to come back or was it like
Speaker 2: a full body yes, it's time to go back and
Speaker 2: show what I got.
Speaker 3: I definitely struggle with a lot of trauma and an
Speaker 3: anxiety with my past, So even though I was excited
Speaker 3: for the opportunity, I was definitely hesitant.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I think that's fair. I think that's understandable. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think because we're in like a pressure cooker,
Speaker 1: so I can get the hesitation totally. So you've done
Speaker 1: the flagship show, we've all competed together. I've done a
Speaker 1: season of All Stars. I thought it was incredible. What
Speaker 1: were your expectations of All Stars and how how did
Speaker 1: you think it was different than the flagship?
Speaker 3: I didn't have any expectations. I was just hoping that
Speaker 3: it was going to be more fun, and I was right.
Speaker 3: Production treated us really really well, really really well, which
Speaker 3: was incredible. So I'm very thankful for the way production
Speaker 3: handled all of us. And the games were less how
Speaker 3: can we kill you today? And more how can we
Speaker 3: bring the nostalgia in fun back for the viewers? And
Speaker 3: it just gave a very old school nostalgic, like very
Speaker 3: fun vibe as far as just the you know, the
Speaker 3: shell of the show, like the challenges and whatnot were
Speaker 3: just really fun.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And so like, how did it compare appearing as
Speaker 2: a champion on Season thirty nine versus appearing in All Stars.
Speaker 3: I actually won my eliminations on All Stars.
Speaker 2: I mean just like like in terms of your feeling
Speaker 2: about arriving.
Speaker 3: There, arriving for thirty nine was more like no, it
Speaker 3: was like no price. Sure, it was just more fun
Speaker 3: because I wasn't invested in the game, you know, because
Speaker 3: it wasn't my game, whereas my mentality on All Stars
Speaker 3: was survival. So when I'm in, when I'm put in
Speaker 3: a corner, I fucking survive when I'm given a more fun,
Speaker 3: easy path. I don't exactly, so I definitely perform better
Speaker 3: when the odds are not in my favor.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I totally understand that. So we see, especially in
Speaker 1: this final, like relationships are really important and we definitely
Speaker 1: see you get close to Steve Ace. Did you speak
Speaker 1: to either one of those where you did you know
Speaker 1: them before this challenge or did you come on to
Speaker 1: All Stars and you guys just bonded.
Speaker 3: I came on too All Stars with no alliances. I
Speaker 3: didn't tell anybody I was coming on because I was
Speaker 3: really really nervous. I was really anxious. I put a
Speaker 3: lot of pressure on myself to do well, and I
Speaker 3: was I was really nervous. I was. I had a
Speaker 3: lot of anxiety going into the season. I'll be honest
Speaker 3: and just for my own self, because like I said,
Speaker 3: I put a lot of pressure on myself to perform well.
Speaker 3: And I didn't pregame or you know, talk game before
Speaker 3: I left with anybody. I kind of wanted everybody to
Speaker 3: be surprised when I showed up at the airport. I
Speaker 3: didn't even want any fans to think I was coming on,
Speaker 3: Like I wanted to just show up and see who
Speaker 3: was there and deal with it when I got there.
Speaker 3: And in the past, as far as Steve, I think
Speaker 3: I went to one comedy show that he was at
Speaker 3: that with Paulie, Like Paulie was doing a stand up
Speaker 3: comedy thing and Steve was there, so I briefly have
Speaker 3: met him in the past, like very briefly in passing.
Speaker 3: Ace was like a million quadrillion years ago, like I
Speaker 3: had stopped by his bar once, so like I've I
Speaker 3: vaguely remembered Ace. And then the other one was Jay,
Speaker 3: and I don't think I ever met Jay. So Ace,
Speaker 3: Jay and Steve ended up being very beautiful, unexpected wonderful
Speaker 3: surprises and souls to have by my side that I
Speaker 3: ended up just organically feeling safe and comfortable with. When
Speaker 3: I first showed up at the airport, I saw Brandon Lee.
Speaker 3: The first people I saw that I was so excited
Speaker 3: to see more than anything in the whole world, was
Speaker 3: Brandon Leroy and Cam. I didn't had any idea that
Speaker 3: Cam was going to be on it, and I was
Speaker 3: just so excited because I always I put Cam and
Speaker 3: Leroy on a pedestal. I root for them. I was
Speaker 3: so excited to see Brandon because that was like my
Speaker 3: fresh meat buddy, like the you know, they nobody can
Speaker 3: totally understand the experience of fresh meat and the tent
Speaker 3: that we were in in Canada, you know, like me
Speaker 3: and Brandon was the first person that I was drawn
Speaker 3: to that. I just loved his energy, I loved his being.
Speaker 3: I love Brandon. So I was very excited to see
Speaker 3: all of those people, and then honestly even excited to
Speaker 3: see you know, Rachel as a throwback. I was like,
Speaker 3: that's so exciting. I'm like, she's a legend. And then
Speaker 3: I was like, oh fuck. I was like Nicole and Laurel,
Speaker 3: I'm like, damn it, I'm screwed because I knew for
Speaker 3: a fact. I'm like, they're going to bond over hating me.
Speaker 3: So then that's going to bring them together, no matter
Speaker 3: how bad their breakup is or what they were doing
Speaker 3: with they're going to get together because you know, they
Speaker 3: have me in common, I guess. And I called that
Speaker 3: And then nah, I was excited to see Jasmine. I
Speaker 3: hadn't seen her since I don't even remember, but I
Speaker 3: always kind of root for her because she's like this
Speaker 3: little underdog, you know, and so I always kind of
Speaker 3: root for her to do well, and that all happened
Speaker 3: to blow up in my face.
Speaker 2: It is really interesting, it happened a lot for you,
Speaker 2: Like there was a lot of moments in this game
Speaker 2: where alliances, you know, it didn't it didn't work out
Speaker 2: for one way or for another. I'm like really curious
Speaker 2: about the Kim and Leroy one in terms of where
Speaker 2: it went wrong in your eyes, considering you know, I've
Speaker 2: played games with all of you guys together, and I
Speaker 2: know how close you guys were, and so it was
Speaker 2: just such an incredible, like awful thing to watch in
Speaker 2: a way, because I was like, wow, like it's this
Speaker 2: game will really split you up. But from your side
Speaker 2: of you, where do you think you and Kim and
Speaker 2: Leroy really found that divide.
Speaker 3: I think people are not necessarily against me. I think
Speaker 3: they're more for themselves. And I think Kim and Leroy
Speaker 3: found themselves in a war. They didn't know I was
Speaker 3: going to be the first of all, so they had
Speaker 3: probably already made their plans and arrangements without factoring me in.
Speaker 3: But I think they're in a more desperate situation this
Speaker 3: go around. Like Cam, you know, they have a baby
Speaker 3: at home, they're fighting for their family, So I can't
Speaker 3: hate the way things happened, but it was definitely hurtful.
Speaker 3: They showed their hand really early, but I think with
Speaker 3: it it was more of the gas lighting and the
Speaker 3: mob mentality behind. It's like in some points they would say,
Speaker 3: we're coming after you because you're the strongest, and we
Speaker 3: just want you gone because we think you're the strongest.
Speaker 3: I mean, while Laurel, you know, is right there, and
Speaker 3: I feel like there was just kind of sort of
Speaker 3: a an echo chamber, really mob who kind of gas
Speaker 3: lit me to justify themselves on how awful they were
Speaker 3: being really behind the scenes. So it was very hurtful
Speaker 3: to watch because I've definitely built up my armor and
Speaker 3: it's gotten harder and harder over all these years, and
Speaker 3: when I give my loyalty to someone, it's to the bone.
Speaker 3: So I can't relate to the way that Cam and
Speaker 3: Leroy played against me me, especially when they could have
Speaker 3: used me till the end, because that's I would never
Speaker 3: do that to them. But again, I don't have a kid.
Speaker 3: Maybe things are changed when you have a family, but
Speaker 3: I always did raise Cam and Lee ren a pedestal
Speaker 3: her going. She kind of went full throttle assassination on me,
Speaker 3: which I think is a really rather extreme response to
Speaker 3: me not voting in Rachel because her problem was with
Speaker 3: I mean, if this is where she's trying to say everything, like,
Speaker 3: how strong could our friendship have been? I guess if
Speaker 3: all it took was me not voting in Rachel when
Speaker 3: her problem was with Ayana, I voted in Ayana. I
Speaker 3: told Cam ahead of time that I was not going
Speaker 3: to put Rachel in, so I feel like I'm allowed
Speaker 3: to have maybe one person else besides you know, Cam
Speaker 3: having apparently the entire house I had Rachel, which I
Speaker 3: had made a deal which I was not hiding from Cam,
Speaker 3: and then it didn't change the outcome. Cam knew going
Speaker 3: into that deliberation that she always had the votes to
Speaker 3: get exactly the matchup that she wanted, and she knew
Speaker 3: that I was not going to say Rachel's name, so
Speaker 3: she said she was fine with that because she was
Speaker 3: still going to get the outcome she wanted. I stand
Speaker 3: by my word, but apparently she wanted me to ruin
Speaker 3: my own game for something she was always going to get,
Speaker 3: and then went on like a hell bent bender partnering
Speaker 3: up with my rival Laurel to just come at me
Speaker 3: through every aspect possible. It just it came off to
Speaker 3: me a little entitled. You were always going to get
Speaker 3: what you wanted regardless. I thought it was a bizarre
Speaker 3: overreaction and then kind of just the gas lighting after
Speaker 3: it was just it was very strange to me. It
Speaker 3: just made me very uncomfortable because, like I said, I
Speaker 3: always put Lee, Roy and Cam on a pedestal, like
Speaker 3: and I always root for them and I would never
Speaker 3: do to them what they.
Speaker 1: Did to me.
Speaker 3: And so it was very hurtful over me not saying
Speaker 3: Rachel's name in a deliberation when I told Kim I
Speaker 3: wasn't going to say her name, and she was cool
Speaker 3: with it beforehand, you know what I mean. It's just
Speaker 3: weird overreaction.
Speaker 1: No, I mean, you have to play your game and
Speaker 1: the game at the same time. It's like I guess
Speaker 1: in friendships, like shit gets a little like blurry, like
Speaker 1: you need to I feel like your friends should just
Speaker 1: respect the fact that, like your vote's not going to
Speaker 1: affect them, but you also have to play for yourself,
Speaker 1: like not everyone can play for everyone else, so you
Speaker 1: never get to the final Yeah, you know, if that
Speaker 1: you end up going home.
Speaker 3: It just kind of came off like she wanted me
Speaker 3: to sabotage my own game for her to get what
Speaker 3: she was getting. Anyways, regardless, like have you guys spoken
Speaker 3: since you know what's funny is after our elimination, she
Speaker 3: came to me and said, hey, you know I want
Speaker 3: you or lead right to win. I told Lee write
Speaker 3: a look out for you. You've got to look out
Speaker 3: for him, and I was like, Caim, I always got you,
Speaker 3: like I still always love you guys, Like I know
Speaker 3: you're coming at me in the game, whatever reason you're
Speaker 3: trying to say it's because you think I'm the best competitor,
Speaker 3: or because of a vote whatever, Okay, you know, but
Speaker 3: I'll always support you guys. And that's how I left
Speaker 3: it with her. Leroy, I would have given my star too,
Speaker 3: That's what I made up. I know, I made friends,
Speaker 3: you know, like Ace J and Steve were kind of
Speaker 3: my sanctuary, my safety sanctuary. But you know, in the
Speaker 3: final I was always going to get my start to
Speaker 3: Leroy just to show how much I, you know, my
Speaker 3: care for them, but no, they never They kind of
Speaker 3: reached out through Paulie, but after watching the entire season.
Speaker 3: I see why Cam never personally reached out. I you know,
Speaker 3: she was it was pretty it was pretty brutal to
Speaker 3: watch and very hurtful. So maybe she's you know, knows
Speaker 3: how she what she did and how she made me feel.
Speaker 2: So I don't know.
Speaker 3: It's just hurtful. I'm hurt, So that's all that's understandable.
Speaker 3: It is.
Speaker 1: I do think that the majority of the cast saw
Speaker 1: you as a threat, even over Laurel. I mean, do
Speaker 1: you think that that was an oversight on their part?
Speaker 3: No, I think they all knew Laurel was the biggest threat,
Speaker 3: but I think I was just the easiest target. It
Speaker 3: was easier for themterrestic It was easier for that, like
Speaker 3: do you want to piss off Laurel? You know, it
Speaker 3: was easier for them to isolate and kick me down
Speaker 3: and then to try that with Laurel. Laurel's intimidating.
Speaker 1: I mean you definitely clapped back though on certain things
Speaker 1: with Nicole, like you weren't backing down shit.
Speaker 3: No, so I'm not as intimidating as Laurel. Let's let's
Speaker 3: be real. It's easier to pile up on me than
Speaker 3: it is to try to like comment, Laurel, that's just
Speaker 3: the way it's been. And I think that's the same
Speaker 3: reason they kept voting in Steve, like you're gonna would
Speaker 3: Steve do wrong? Right, He's he's easy.
Speaker 1: He well, once you keep voting one person in, you
Speaker 1: keep a lot of people just keep voting the same
Speaker 1: person in again and again.
Speaker 3: Yeah, like he I thought Steve was a great guy
Speaker 3: anytime people would try to make fun of him, like
Speaker 3: because he was eccentric. He you know, had his own
Speaker 3: little weird quirks. He'd be in the backyard digging with
Speaker 3: a spoon, making Bulgarian bags, and he had like love
Speaker 3: protect Steve to the death because it's almost like I
Speaker 3: saw myself and him like him being like the weird
Speaker 3: little loaner that would like but you could talk to him.
Speaker 3: You could say, uh, water bottle and he'll tell you
Speaker 3: a story about a water bottle. You could say tree,
Speaker 3: and like he'll tell you this whole story that happened
Speaker 3: to him with a treat, Like he is the most
Speaker 3: interesting dude. And there was actually a lot of people
Speaker 3: in the house that were like anytime he talked, they'd
Speaker 3: like roll his eyes or they were kind of doing
Speaker 3: the same shit to him, and I think it was
Speaker 3: kind of just a way to make it easier for
Speaker 3: them to vote on him. They didn't give him a
Speaker 3: break at all. And I think really it wasn't about
Speaker 3: me being the strongest girl in the house. I think
Speaker 3: it was just I was a scapegoat and as was Steve.
Speaker 3: And you know, it's almost something like, I don't know,
Speaker 3: I heard this in a season one time. You know,
Speaker 3: maybe I was just the perfect vessel to dump hate on.
Speaker 2: You know, maybe in terms of either picking you or
Speaker 2: Laurel to make the scapegoat. I definitely agree with you
Speaker 2: that Laurel is just so intimidating it's terrifying to try
Speaker 2: to make that the direction of votes. But do you
Speaker 2: think that maybe the fact that you are the only
Speaker 2: female that's ever won an individual challenge like that was
Speaker 2: mentioned in people's interviews? But did you hear that being
Speaker 2: talked about around the house And do you think that
Speaker 2: that did carry some weight in the minds of the people.
Speaker 3: I think I would like to be flattered to think so.
Speaker 3: But I also think that Laurel has realistically beaten me
Speaker 3: in everything. She's beaten me in eliminations multiple times, and
Speaker 3: She does extraordinarily well on any challenge you give her.
Speaker 3: It could be the most obscure, like a balanced challenge,
Speaker 3: it could be a you know, knocking the stupid red
Speaker 3: water thing spitting it into a hose. Like Laurel is
Speaker 3: good at right and really shit like she is. She
Speaker 3: is the goat. She just hasn't done as many as
Speaker 3: I have. You know, like Laurel is, I don't know
Speaker 3: where her weaknesses are. She is good at everything. I
Speaker 3: just have to try really hard and I grind it out,
Speaker 3: you know what I mean. Like sometimes I get it done,
Speaker 3: sometimes I don't. You've seen my track record in finals,
Speaker 3: you know what I mean. Like, I do my best and.
Speaker 1: That's a lot of that's a lot of Laurel's just
Speaker 1: yea different with different so you know, yeah, I feel
Speaker 1: the same. Yeah, she's she's really good at a lot
Speaker 1: of ship that. Like they come up with these challenges
Speaker 1: and you're like, where the hell could they have and
Speaker 1: then Laurel does it the first time the best. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm like, how are you who did you find out?
Speaker 1: Did you practice? Did they give you a list of
Speaker 1: ship before you showed up?
Speaker 2: Like she's built it.
Speaker 1: But she just has that Yeah, it's like Jordan, like
Speaker 1: they can have that knack to like do all of
Speaker 1: these weird things that no one's ever done.
Speaker 2: Yeah, she doesn't.
Speaker 3: Even have to go to the gym. She'll fuck you
Speaker 3: up mentally, physically, she will.
Speaker 1: Like she is. She is a very strong minded human.
Speaker 3: Yeah she is.
Speaker 2: She's more like a CT. Like I think she's more
Speaker 2: CT she you know, because.
Speaker 3: She is too, because I don't ever see her in alliances,
Speaker 3: But she finds her way, I think because nobody wants
Speaker 3: to fuck with her. I'll be honest. Yeah, Cet, same ship.
Speaker 3: Nobody wants to talk with them. They just let that
Speaker 3: bear just stay in the corner and they're like, we'll.
Speaker 1: Just barrel for you. We're just gonna leave that guy alone.
Speaker 3: Try to beat them in a final.
Speaker 2: We'll just try.
Speaker 1: Yeah, They're like, you know, why do they let Seet
Speaker 1: go to the final. I'm like, well, you didn't try
Speaker 1: to do anything about it. Yeah, you know, like, yeah,
Speaker 1: but he's a monster. You don't want to see him
Speaker 1: in Tic tac toe.
Speaker 3: No, no, nothing.
Speaker 2: All right, we have to take a quick break, but
Speaker 2: we'll be right back after this.
Speaker 1: Okay, toy, let's get back to the show.
Speaker 2: Well, let's get into this final, because it was very
Speaker 2: different than finals we've seen before. There was themes called
Speaker 2: like spicy Foot, like the water thing I was. I
Speaker 2: was really confused by a lot of it, although very entertained.
Speaker 2: I think, going back to what you were saying, it
Speaker 2: does have a nostalgic and fun aspect to it. The
Speaker 2: fact that you guys were, you know, shooting paintball guns
Speaker 2: on top of a moving car like's. It was a
Speaker 2: vibe like it looked fun for the first day. But
Speaker 2: I want to know, car, You've done so many finals,
Speaker 2: how did this one compare to the other ones in
Speaker 2: the past.
Speaker 3: War of the World's one was the hardest final I've
Speaker 3: ever done. That looks followed by Rivals one with Laurel,
Speaker 3: and you know you could tie that with War the
Speaker 3: World too. Those were the hardest finals. And I've been
Speaker 3: to a lot of finals, so I can definitely tell
Speaker 3: you those were the hardest things I've ever done. This
Speaker 3: was one of the most fun ones that I've ever done,
Speaker 3: so you know, I was expecting death and true to
Speaker 3: the way the whole theme of the season was, it
Speaker 3: was it was fun and it was therefore refreshing. It
Speaker 3: was just really it was. It was refreshing, so I
Speaker 3: enjoyed it for what it was.
Speaker 1: Once you knew about the star, things like how they
Speaker 1: were going to come into play of like getting advantages
Speaker 1: or like if you can, you know, give your start
Speaker 1: to somebody else or somebody can give How did you
Speaker 1: think that was going to go for you?
Speaker 3: Not well, because even though I made it to the
Speaker 3: end and I had, you know, an Ace and Steve
Speaker 3: were there. You know, Ace was given his star from
Speaker 3: Steve multiple times. Steve had to fight for that thing
Speaker 3: and he and he gave it to Ace. So if
Speaker 3: Ace were to leave early, it would only be right
Speaker 3: for him to return that back to Steve for an advantage. Steve,
Speaker 3: I just assumed because he had given the start at
Speaker 3: Ace so many times. Maybe I don't know for sure
Speaker 3: what he would have done, but I assumed he was
Speaker 3: going to give it to Ace, and then everybody else
Speaker 3: was going to give it to each other, and then
Speaker 3: I was, you know, in my mind, I had my
Speaker 3: mind set on giving mine to h Leroy, and that
Speaker 3: was kind of it.
Speaker 2: It's so interesting how like relationships ended up playing out.
Speaker 2: I think you said it in your interview. You said
Speaker 2: it in a kind of cheeky way. You're like, you know,
Speaker 2: I guess it pays to be friends with losers. And
Speaker 2: I did find it interesting, you know, because this really
Speaker 2: did add a lot of value to the relationships that
Speaker 2: you have in this game. Like I was kind of
Speaker 2: blown away by that because obviously, now Laurel ends up
Speaker 2: with so many stars, she goes into the last leg
Speaker 2: of the final with four. I think that would have
Speaker 2: probably been like, really difficult to process. I can imagine
Speaker 2: what you were going through, especially knowing that you and
Speaker 2: Ace had just won that hoseball challenge and you really
Speaker 2: set it up so that way you were going to
Speaker 2: be able to go into the next leg of final,
Speaker 2: hopefully eliminating Laurel, and turns out and actually, like you
Speaker 2: know it, shot it fired back in your face.
Speaker 3: I mean, Laurel is a walking advantage like those stars needed,
Speaker 3: do you know what I mean? She is the woman
Speaker 3: to beat. As soon as I walked in to the
Speaker 3: season of All Stars, I knew my only competition was Laurel.
Speaker 3: I mean Rachel, you know, Rachel's fantastic too, But as
Speaker 3: soon as Rachel was gone, I was like, it's me
Speaker 3: and Laurel. That's what it's gonna come down to. I
Speaker 3: wasn't worried about the men. It was a strong woman
Speaker 3: cast no offense to like my besties there, my two
Speaker 3: guys that I ended up getting to the end with,
Speaker 3: But I knew it was going to be between me
Speaker 3: and Laurel, and it would have been really nice to
Speaker 3: go into it evenly on that second day, but I
Speaker 3: mean to be fair, stars and no stars. Laurel kind
Speaker 3: of almost outperformed me in all the little mini challenges
Speaker 3: too the day before, so I got to give her
Speaker 3: credit there like she's you know, it was a weird final,
Speaker 3: you know, it's not one of those cut and dry
Speaker 3: like you know, start here and there. But you know,
Speaker 3: I did what I could do to survive, and Laurel,
Speaker 3: like I said, was friends with people that ended up losing,
Speaker 3: which benefited her because then it was just me and
Speaker 3: the only two people really besides Jay that had my
Speaker 3: back all season, which was nice to be there at
Speaker 3: the end with them, but those advantages were almost insurmountable.
Speaker 3: I was still hoping, like you know, I still I
Speaker 3: would have never did the elimination with her, you know,
Speaker 3: with a broken hand. If I didn't think like It's
Speaker 3: always in my heart that I can win, no matter
Speaker 3: what disadvantages I have. It's always in me like, if
Speaker 3: you don't think you should win, you shouldn't be there.
Speaker 3: And so even with her having those advantages, I was like,
Speaker 3: wouldn't that make it even better if she is an
Speaker 3: advantage with advantages, if I can still come back from this,
Speaker 3: And in my heart I was like, I can do it.
Speaker 3: And I pushed really hard, and it's wild that I
Speaker 3: was able to get as close to her as I did,
Speaker 3: considering she got to skip three puzzles, you know what
Speaker 3: I mean, Like, you know how the puzzles.
Speaker 1: Are, Yeah, get stuck there for forever. And we saw
Speaker 1: that with Ace. But it's it is nuts. I mean
Speaker 1: you did come back from like I mean you on
Speaker 1: the you on the scooter listening. I would have been though.
Speaker 1: That would have been me for sure. That was not
Speaker 1: even just it just in a bush somewhere, just fuck that.
Speaker 1: That would have just running. You could have put it.
Speaker 1: I think you could have put it on your back,
Speaker 1: you know what, strong enough.
Speaker 3: I didn't know what to do. I was like, do
Speaker 3: I run? I ran next to it the whole time,
Speaker 3: but I should have literally, I should have honestly put
Speaker 3: it on my back. You're right. I just think in
Speaker 3: that moment, I'm brain dead because of you know, the
Speaker 3: whole day prior, and like you know, it was just
Speaker 3: such a long thing that you don't you're not thinking correctly,
Speaker 3: But you're right. I should have thrown it over my
Speaker 3: shoulders and ran and asked for forgiveness later. It was
Speaker 3: just too They should have showed the go pro it
Speaker 3: flew off and started like rotating circles around the handlebars
Speaker 3: like that would have been the funniest go pro footage,
Speaker 3: which just me cursing the whole way down. Honestly, I
Speaker 3: think that you know, La World didn't beat me, the
Speaker 3: scooter did.
Speaker 1: That's what we're gonna That's what whatever helps you sleep
Speaker 1: at night, because you know that the shit like you
Speaker 1: go through challenges. I feel like everybody does it. We're
Speaker 1: like that one elimination or that one moment, like we'll
Speaker 1: keep you up at night for a little bit when
Speaker 1: you get home. Like fuck if I just did this
Speaker 1: a little bit differently, but it was impressive, like you
Speaker 1: were just stucking down the butt water and.
Speaker 2: Water oh well, I forget what she called it was like,
Speaker 2: but dirty ass soup. I don't know.
Speaker 1: She was dirty ass Sorry, I'm sorry, dirty asshole water.
Speaker 1: That's better either way. I just want to know what
Speaker 1: was that?
Speaker 3: Yeah, it was a vegan uh. I forget what it was.
Speaker 3: I forget what exactly was in it. But you know how,
Speaker 3: no matter they could give you like a filet, but
Speaker 3: they're gonna add like dirty asshole fish sauce to it
Speaker 3: or something to make you gag and add that damn
Speaker 3: fish as fish whale whatever to everything they gave you.
Speaker 3: It was, whatever it was, did it burn? They probably
Speaker 3: added that. No, it didn't burn. It was just like
Speaker 3: a rotten milkshake. I don't know, with weird floaty things
Speaker 3: in it.
Speaker 1: I don't know.
Speaker 2: So so you got to choose between taking the shot
Speaker 2: or drink air eating a cockroach, right? You didn't have
Speaker 2: to do.
Speaker 3: Both, right, Yeah, you got to choose. And I'm like,
Speaker 3: I'm not about to like rip ahead.
Speaker 2: On that. Yeah, who in their right mind decided to
Speaker 2: eat the cockroach?
Speaker 3: Like?
Speaker 2: I just don't but and and and why and why?
Speaker 4: Like and Ace is literally apologizing to it as I know, Like,
Speaker 4: I'm sorry, but I'm like, just drink the drink, dude,
Speaker 4: even watching ripping them apart.
Speaker 1: It was killing me even.
Speaker 2: Watching him struggle on his puzzle. He's like, I can't
Speaker 2: really focus because I can only think about.
Speaker 1: That poor little cockroach that I just ate.
Speaker 2: Like he's kind of cute, dude, that was sweet.
Speaker 3: He's a genuine soul and you know what for all
Speaker 3: like the like, like I said, this season, I'm not
Speaker 3: gonna lie. It's hurtful to go back and watch all
Speaker 3: the nasty things people are saying, But I think at
Speaker 3: the end of the day, I'd like to put more
Speaker 3: weight and people like Steve or Ace or Jay, like
Speaker 3: those genuine good souls and what they have to say
Speaker 3: about me than anybody else. So I really was thankful
Speaker 3: to have. I mean, if someone like Ace didn't like me,
Speaker 3: there'd be a problem, but like he really took me
Speaker 3: in as a little sister. So I think that says
Speaker 3: everything you need to know.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah. I also think like especially with what we do,
Speaker 1: a million people could say something positive. Negatives just really
Speaker 1: just stand out. And when you watch shit back, it's
Speaker 1: like they jammed everything that happened in five weeks to
Speaker 1: these episodes, and I think it it hurts more because
Speaker 1: it's just like everything.
Speaker 3: It's like an echo chamber two. You know, like if people,
Speaker 3: like I said at the beginning, if people want to
Speaker 3: justify the reasons why they're doing things, and they all
Speaker 3: want to like dump hat on someone, it's easier for
Speaker 3: them to like do that to feel better about their moves.
Speaker 3: And when there's like a whole herd of them saying
Speaker 3: the same things, you know, That's why I really look
Speaker 3: at the source and the fact that, like you know,
Speaker 3: you have people like Steve, Ace and Jay just being
Speaker 3: like the voices of reason and just being kind, good people.
Speaker 3: That's who I put my weight in.
Speaker 1: Yeah, as you should, and then be around the people
Speaker 1: that support you and lift you up.
Speaker 3: And I did.
Speaker 2: Do you think if obviously you were saying, like Ace,
Speaker 2: if he would have been eliminated, he probably would have
Speaker 2: had to give the star back to Steve. But do
Speaker 2: you think Steve would have potentially given it to you?
Speaker 2: Like obviously Laurel got blessed with her stars because her
Speaker 2: friends got eliminated. But if it were to be reversed
Speaker 2: from the other side, do you think you could have
Speaker 2: caught a few?
Speaker 3: I don't know. I honestly don't know, Like I can't
Speaker 3: I never asked them. You know, it wasn't even my business.
Speaker 3: I just appreciated their friendship, so like I didn't. I
Speaker 3: don't expect anything from anyone. I just know what I
Speaker 3: would do. So it's neither here nor there.
Speaker 2: Laurel.
Speaker 3: Had you know, I'd think we're just gonna need another rematch,
Speaker 3: that's all. She's really good, But I mean, it gives
Speaker 3: me something.
Speaker 1: To work for, rightde Listen, If ever, I think it's
Speaker 1: better to go against people that make you fight, like
Speaker 1: make you just bring out all of the grit and
Speaker 1: the shit. I mean, I get it. People want it
Speaker 1: to be easy at the end, get it. You want
Speaker 1: to be against people you can beat. But I also
Speaker 1: want to be against people I respect. Like damn, she
Speaker 1: deserved that, Like you got it.
Speaker 3: She's a good competitor.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 3: The emotional thing was definitely a struggle because me and
Speaker 3: her weren't speaking going into the season at all. We
Speaker 3: genuine rivals and we just live our own lives separately.
Speaker 3: And when we walked into the season, she was kind
Speaker 3: of her and Nicole were coming to me separately almost
Speaker 3: as like you know, oh, I can't believe you know,
Speaker 3: keep me away from her, keep me away from her
Speaker 3: until they got back together, and it was kind of
Speaker 3: an icky feeling I've you know, and now rewatching it
Speaker 3: how brutal it was because in my reality, I was
Speaker 3: protective of Laurel, you know, because she kept coming to
Speaker 3: me crying. We all know what has happened since, Like
Speaker 3: it was not a good situation for her, and I
Speaker 3: was feeling She's been with me through very bad situations
Speaker 3: in the past, and I even though we weren't speaking
Speaker 3: and it had nothing to do with the game, I
Speaker 3: was very protective of her heart, you know, like if
Speaker 3: she ever saw me in a situation, it's almost like
Speaker 3: she's the only one that can yell at me. No
Speaker 3: one else can yell me, only she can, you know.
Speaker 1: What I mean.
Speaker 3: So anytime that I blew up, it was because like
Speaker 3: every other day, she'd be coming to me crying and
Speaker 3: then she'd be making out with Nicole, and I know
Speaker 3: that it was to close a door or to finish
Speaker 3: unresolved issues that were there, and I was trying to
Speaker 3: be there for her, but then also to see what
Speaker 3: she was doing behind the scenes, like when I tell
Speaker 3: you hurt, and like it's just like it was a
Speaker 3: very like I loved All Stars for the challenges and
Speaker 3: for the connections that I made, But I definitely felt
Speaker 3: looking back on it and seeing everything play out like
Speaker 3: a little used and a little a little hurt over all.
Speaker 2: That it's definitely fair to say that watching it from
Speaker 2: just a viewers' perspective and not as somebody being in there,
Speaker 2: Like there were plenty of interviews where you were not
Speaker 2: a positive talking point for people, so I can imagine
Speaker 2: it was probably really hard to watch back. But it's
Speaker 2: just amazing to see how well you progressed through it all,
Speaker 2: because you make it literally all the way to the end,
Speaker 2: come in second place with literal one star advantage, and
Speaker 2: you know, you do have an incredible season, and you've
Speaker 2: done some incredible things this season, Like you took out Rachel,
Speaker 2: somebody you mentioned as one of the best in the game.
Speaker 2: You went up against kill a Caam, you took her out,
Speaker 2: Like I know that, Like the feeling of you know,
Speaker 2: sadness must live within you from watching these interviews, But
Speaker 2: do you have like do you feel stronger in a
Speaker 2: way or more confident after your performance this season?
Speaker 3: I do. I'm just a sensitive mush and I and
Speaker 3: like on the inside. That's why my outer shell is
Speaker 3: so hard and so built up after all these years
Speaker 3: of the challenge. It has a way of doing that
Speaker 3: to me, and like I retreat inside of myself because
Speaker 3: I really am sensitive and I really am somebody who
Speaker 3: if I'm loyal, I'm loyal literally to the bone, like
Speaker 3: I have, like I root for for, you know, It's
Speaker 3: like I'm happy to go to a final against the
Speaker 3: strongest because if I can beat them, then it proves everything.
Speaker 3: If it doesn't, then fuck, I want to try again
Speaker 3: and be better. Like I don't. I'm not scared, and
Speaker 3: I never attack or throw the first stone, but I
Speaker 3: definitely have like a really big retaliation. So if anybody
Speaker 3: comes at me, because I am so sensitive inside, the
Speaker 3: monster gets turned on. So I'm thankful for my journey
Speaker 3: on All Stars because it did bring out the car
Speaker 3: that has been missing for a long time, the one
Speaker 3: that that was pinned in the corner, the one that
Speaker 3: you know, people started to root for because of like
Speaker 3: that's the Cara you know that people started rooting for
Speaker 3: and I and I kind of lost my way and
Speaker 3: so I had to go back, you know, be the
Speaker 3: one that you know, all the odds are against me
Speaker 3: and I had to fight through it, and I'm very
Speaker 3: proud of that journey and that does make me stronger
Speaker 3: and that does bring me back to my roots of
Speaker 3: who I am. And I will always say that I
Speaker 3: do perform my best with my back against the wall,
Speaker 3: like that is almost it's almost like I bring it
Speaker 3: on myself so that I can perform better.
Speaker 1: I'm not even maybe you know, no, I get it,
Speaker 1: totally get it. I've never said out loud, but I
Speaker 1: get it. Yeah, but I think that, yeah, when there's pressure,
Speaker 1: all you gotta do is fight your way now. And
Speaker 1: I totally understand that, and I think that that will
Speaker 1: resonate with a lot of people.
Speaker 2: When you were in this like challenge, you know, like
Speaker 2: just going back into it a little bit and getting
Speaker 2: back into that state of mind, you know, you do
Speaker 2: this overnight challenge, your mood has shifted a bit because
Speaker 2: you know you wanted Laurel to hopefully not be in
Speaker 2: the end of the final with you because she's such
Speaker 2: a threat. She ends up being there and she has
Speaker 2: plenty of advantages. And then you have to come to
Speaker 2: this loop game. Was it in the back of your mind,
Speaker 2: like I know you had mentioned before, you were kind
Speaker 2: of telling yourself like if I think I can't do it,
Speaker 2: then I need then I don't deserve to be here,
Speaker 2: so I have to like really push through and try.
Speaker 2: So you have that going on in your mind, and
Speaker 2: then you also have like, Okay, this is a big
Speaker 2: battle to go up against. When it came down to
Speaker 2: each individual checkpoint, were you able to just wipe those
Speaker 2: feelings away and just focus on the task at hand
Speaker 2: or were you feeling a little distracted? And I am
Speaker 2: also curious, like how far it was really kind of
Speaker 2: hard to see watching it. What was it like actually
Speaker 2: being there? Was there anybody that had a very clear advantage,
Speaker 2: Like was Laurel way ahead of you or was it
Speaker 2: a lot closer. I'm just curious like what it was
Speaker 2: like in real life.
Speaker 3: I mean, I one thousand percent it was focused. Like
Speaker 3: as soon as the scooter was done, I was like,
Speaker 3: full force, I can catch up. I just have to
Speaker 3: be very fast and very focused in every single checkpoint
Speaker 3: because she gets to skip four of them. So and
Speaker 3: I was actually really good, you know, with the puzzles
Speaker 3: and everything. I just I had Laurel in my sights
Speaker 3: at all times because it was a loop. I didn't
Speaker 3: know where anybody else was, but she was the only
Speaker 3: one that I was focused on. I was like, I
Speaker 3: have to catch up to her. I have to do it,
Speaker 3: and I don't know, you know, we never know how
Speaker 3: far we are, Like there's corn fields, Like I mean,
Speaker 3: how do you know, Like unless you're right behind the person,
Speaker 3: like you don't know how far you are. And I
Speaker 3: just always felt like I was hot on her heels
Speaker 3: and that I could if I could run really fast
Speaker 3: and not walk for one second of this run or
Speaker 3: of anything that I'm doing, if I can just be
Speaker 3: as efficient as possible and stay in it, I can
Speaker 3: beat her. Like I felt that the entire time that
Speaker 3: I was going to catch her. I even thought on
Speaker 3: the run that I was going to see her and
Speaker 3: just run by her, you know what I mean. I
Speaker 3: felt that I don't know what the actual separation was,
Speaker 3: but I do feel you know, I don't know what
Speaker 3: the official time is. We'll never know that, but I
Speaker 3: do feel like I was I was really close, like
Speaker 3: way too close. Considering how many advantages there were, and
Speaker 3: I wonder what the end result would have been if
Speaker 3: if the stars were not a factor, Like if we
Speaker 3: actually were just playing. Yeah, I do wonder. I think
Speaker 3: I would have. I think I would have caught her
Speaker 3: a thousand. I know I would have caught her. I'll
Speaker 3: just put that out there. I would have. I went
Speaker 3: way too fast on all those puzzles, and if she
Speaker 3: had to sit there through every puzzle, I just know
Speaker 3: that it would have been neck and neck, and then
Speaker 3: I would have passed her in the run because I
Speaker 3: know she wasn't she was a little I don't know
Speaker 3: if she was injured. I don't know what, but I
Speaker 3: would have had that if it wasn't for the stars.
Speaker 3: But it is what it is. That's why they call
Speaker 3: it the challenge. You never know what's going to happen.
Speaker 3: You can't control anything. You just have to play with
Speaker 3: the cards your dealt.
Speaker 1: So you did this puzzle with no issues over and
Speaker 1: over again.
Speaker 3: I was pretty I was playing that right. No, I
Speaker 3: was if I don't know. But the thing is there
Speaker 3: was only one Had those squares had a picture on
Speaker 3: the other side, I would have been fucked.
Speaker 1: True. I would have been there.
Speaker 3: Ever, we all probably would have been there, like we
Speaker 3: wouldn't end. But it was the only frustrating thing. And
Speaker 3: she was very smart skipping that puzzle every single time
Speaker 3: because there was so many pieces. Yeah, it was like
Speaker 3: you have to, you know, take out all the pieces,
Speaker 3: resort it out, figure out what the thing is again.
Speaker 3: And so it was more time consuming than me not
Speaker 3: being able to figure it out because I figured that
Speaker 3: out really quick and I was able to do it
Speaker 3: as quick as you could probably ask to do it.
Speaker 3: But it still takes time that of course, you know,
Speaker 3: if you have a star and you can skip it,
Speaker 3: you're saving yourself. I don't know, three at least three
Speaker 3: to four minutes, five minutes each time, maybe just thinking
Speaker 3: about how long it takes to take all the pieces
Speaker 3: out and sort them out and refigure out how things go.
Speaker 2: I was also thinking about like even getting harnessed up
Speaker 2: for that ring game, like Steve was the one that
Speaker 2: messed up using it.
Speaker 3: That's why I saved.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, did everyone just kind of anticipate on not using
Speaker 2: or using their starrup on that ring game?
Speaker 3: That was the one that every single one of us
Speaker 3: collectively were like, that's the star, that's what we're using
Speaker 3: our star on. And Steve I think got distracted because
Speaker 3: he never he was moving so fast and he never
Speaker 3: used his star that he's like, oh good, I'll just
Speaker 3: save my tour to the end and run, and he
Speaker 3: used it on the stupid build up pause.
Speaker 1: I feel it.
Speaker 3: My heart broke for him. My heart broke from that's
Speaker 3: a rough one to get over, especially after the season
Speaker 3: that he had, how hard he had to fight to
Speaker 3: get to the end there. Like I think me and
Speaker 3: Steve we definitely worked our asses off to get to
Speaker 3: the end of that final. Like, everybody had a different journey,
Speaker 3: you know, a good soul, you know, just by being
Speaker 3: a good person. He got given a star, Veronica got
Speaker 3: given a star. You know, Nicole had to take a
Speaker 3: rope away from Jasmine. You know, everybody had their path.
Speaker 3: But I think the fight that me and Steve had
Speaker 3: because of it being a harder road to get there,
Speaker 3: I think we wanted that very badly, and so I
Speaker 3: can see how he's living and regret there with that moment.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, I mean it does suck. You can see
Speaker 1: that he just looks defeated.
Speaker 3: Oh it's done, but he's.
Speaker 1: Still he still did it. And then you I mean,
Speaker 1: you get you get second place, which isn't it's not first.
Speaker 2: I get it, but dude, it's amazing.
Speaker 1: You know, the two two women finished first, which is incredible.
Speaker 1: We knew that was gonna happen though, and well, but
Speaker 1: then she also celebrated for you And yes, I know
Speaker 1: she just won, but she didn't, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: Like it still shows that like you can win, but
Speaker 1: you can also like not be an asshole about it.
Speaker 3: I think too, for her, she probably always feels some
Speaker 3: type of way. I kind of always felt like she's
Speaker 3: felt some type of way about just making sure everybody
Speaker 3: knew she was better than me, do you know what
Speaker 3: I mean. So in that moment, me coming in second,
Speaker 3: it was like, thank god, you know what I mean,
Speaker 3: I beat her. I'm showing everybody I beat her. I'm
Speaker 3: happy about it. So as long as that can be
Speaker 3: put to rest, now we're great. And I'm you know,
Speaker 3: she's still the biggest competition as far as a woman
Speaker 3: on the challenge, and you know, I'm gonna keep trying
Speaker 3: to you know, every dog has their day and my
Speaker 3: you know, this dog does not have any fight, So
Speaker 3: I'm gonna try.
Speaker 1: Yeah, car is gonna be You're gonna be on here
Speaker 1: when you're like sixty, Yeah, and you might. I mean,
Speaker 1: you're still gonna have impress you had them before, so
Speaker 1: I'm not really worried about that. I mean, I'm sure
Speaker 1: you'll win again. You know, it's just a matter of time.
Speaker 1: I think.
Speaker 3: I think by me, I think even though I didn't
Speaker 3: get the technical first place this season, I still feel
Speaker 3: like I won just because of my path and I'm
Speaker 3: very proud of that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, do you see going into eliminations any differently, because
Speaker 1: I know that we've you know, you've talked on other
Speaker 1: shows of like, yeah, you want to skip them, so
Speaker 1: you just go, you know, you want to avoid them.
Speaker 3: It's on the grand scheme of things. Like in challenges
Speaker 3: in general, there's winners that make it to the end
Speaker 3: with no struggle, you know, and they win that check, cash's,
Speaker 3: they get the money, they get the crown, they get
Speaker 3: the title, but they're not remembered. Some people are just
Speaker 3: not remembered. And I think it's that fight that that
Speaker 3: the viewers are like, Okay, how are they going to
Speaker 3: get out of the situation? Can they make it? And
Speaker 3: like that brings it shows you, It makes you learn
Speaker 3: a lot about yourself, and it gives you something to
Speaker 3: really be proud of at the end, and it lights
Speaker 3: a fire into your ass because that wind means so
Speaker 3: much more to you if you have to fight harder
Speaker 3: to get it. So so I've been on both ends,
Speaker 3: you know. I've been on Vendettas and I didn't have
Speaker 3: to see an elimination, you know, to get to the end,
Speaker 3: and I won. And I've been on Bloodlines and I
Speaker 3: had to go in three eliminations against you and Lisa
Speaker 3: against Johnny. I actually didn't go in the one my
Speaker 3: cousin had to go against CT like I mean, yeah,
Speaker 3: you know, and we got there. It was not an
Speaker 3: easy path and we got there and we won. So
Speaker 3: I've won in two different scenarios, you know. So it
Speaker 3: can happen either way. But I really do feel like
Speaker 3: me personally, the best way to get to a final,
Speaker 3: I think if you're just trying to get that money
Speaker 3: in that win is you don't want to see an
Speaker 3: elimination because there's always a chance you could go home.
Speaker 3: It could be a one arm bean bag toss like
Speaker 3: Polly had. It could be you know what I mean,
Speaker 3: You never know what it's gonna be. You could train
Speaker 3: your ass off and be the strongest person in the
Speaker 3: whole world, and it's just not your day.
Speaker 1: And you go on the first elimination and buy it
Speaker 1: can happen to any people, tick tack toe against each
Speaker 1: exactly nobody.
Speaker 3: You don't want to take the risk. If you're really
Speaker 3: just trying to make that money and get to the end,
Speaker 3: you don't that risk, you know. So I can't be
Speaker 3: mad at anybody from making it to the end not
Speaker 3: seeing an elimination of winning. I've done it, other people
Speaker 3: have done it, whatever. But I will say for me personally,
Speaker 3: I almost it's almost like I need these eliminations to
Speaker 3: light my fire and to show me what I'm capable
Speaker 3: of and to make me stronger. So I don't fear eliminations.
Speaker 3: I know it can be my day or it cannot
Speaker 3: be my day. But I'm always going to leave my
Speaker 3: heart in the sand and give the best I possibly can,
Speaker 3: and I'm gonna welcome the challenge because there's no greater win,
Speaker 3: honestly than an elimination wind No matter what it is, like,
Speaker 3: the high that you get and the way that that
Speaker 3: propels you in the game is just it's priceless, amazing.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it really checks you, It really checks you back
Speaker 1: in I feel, yeah, it like it restarts your engine
Speaker 1: every time you go in. I don't want to go
Speaker 1: in a million more times if I ever do a
Speaker 1: show again.
Speaker 3: But like I already told you, Anissa, I'm gonna take this.
Speaker 3: You want to go on that record, So it's fine,
Speaker 3: I told you on the last I.
Speaker 1: Know, if we ever do a show again together, we
Speaker 1: will talk. I mean I'm ready, I've.
Speaker 3: Been I mean i've been ready, so I know, you know,
Speaker 3: let's hope. You know we're not getting another double sided
Speaker 3: puzzle or some math, but you know, who knows, maybe
Speaker 3: that could be my day as well. Maybe maybe I'll
Speaker 3: win a math bro beat us.
Speaker 1: You beat you beat me at a puzzle underneath the
Speaker 1: thing getting hit in the head, getting hit in the
Speaker 1: head on thirty thirty and you were like, I hate
Speaker 1: puzzles and you killed that one, so yeah, it can happen,
Speaker 1: had CAA.
Speaker 4: I think I was smashing your little head with I
Speaker 4: think they.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And then Jenna was up there just pretending, you know,
Speaker 1: we weren't smashing hard though.
Speaker 3: I do remember though those times.
Speaker 1: Light Light Light Love tact. There's really wrong with a
Speaker 1: light tat light lovehead. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Okay, so last question, I know you guys have mentioned
Speaker 2: possibly you know if we were to see you on
Speaker 2: another challenge in the future, But do you feel like
Speaker 2: you have any more left in Yukara? Are you going
Speaker 2: to come back? Are you going to give the fans
Speaker 2: what they want? And do you want to take anybody
Speaker 2: on from the newer competitors that came from season thirty nine?
Speaker 1: You know it's wild.
Speaker 3: I don't look at anybody else when I go onto
Speaker 3: a season, like up to the point that like, I
Speaker 3: don't you know what I mean? On when All Stars,
Speaker 3: I didn't make any phone calls. I surprised everybody and
Speaker 3: just showed up like I don't There's nobody else but me,
Speaker 3: And if I perform my best, then I think I
Speaker 3: can win. I've got the fight in me which I needed.
Speaker 3: And uh, it's fun to have someone like a Laurel
Speaker 3: as a competitor there for me to look at and
Speaker 3: be like, well, look how good she. I have to
Speaker 3: like she is the standard to which I want to
Speaker 3: perform and that that rivalry will always be there and
Speaker 3: it's just me. And then aside from that, I think
Speaker 3: it's just me against me. So I'm always ready to
Speaker 3: compete and I'm always happy to bring on another challenge
Speaker 3: and learn more about myself, and I just you know
Speaker 3: even that the other thing I learned about myself is
Speaker 3: even you know, on the Mudball Challenge, when Kim orchestrated
Speaker 3: the entire house to make sure that she got the
Speaker 3: solution she wanted and to screw me basically out of
Speaker 3: my Star, I was still able to laugh about it.
Speaker 3: I was like, Oh, this is what they're doing. Ha ha, Okay, funny.
Speaker 3: Like I've learned to just roll with the punches, take
Speaker 3: it on stride, and know that at the end of
Speaker 3: the day, it's in my hands whether I go home
Speaker 3: or not.
Speaker 2: Yep, So spoken like a true champ for sure. I
Speaker 2: think that that's like the most noble way to go
Speaker 2: about it. And Car, you're a legend in the game.
Speaker 2: It's no secret. And I think all Star season, regardless
Speaker 2: of the final outcome, it was a hundred percent yours.
Speaker 2: You owned it every second of it, from the eliminations
Speaker 2: to you know, the final, you crushed it. So I
Speaker 2: think you should be really proud of yourself, and I'm
Speaker 2: sure the fans are going to be super proud of
Speaker 2: you too.
Speaker 1: Songrats on. All the car stands are so excited they're
Speaker 1: getting their T shirts. A good show. Yeaes, you definitely did.
Speaker 1: Speaking of show, where can the listeners follow you, show
Speaker 1: you love, support you socials?
Speaker 3: Oh, just Instagram for now it's miss car Maria. And
Speaker 3: then my link is there to everything else, whether it's TikTok,
Speaker 3: my my podcast, anything else I got going on in
Speaker 3: my photography. Everything is in my Instagram, Miss Carmeria with
Speaker 3: my link.
Speaker 2: Amazing.
Speaker 1: Well, we're really happy that you came on and took
Speaker 1: time out of your day. I know that we're all
Speaker 1: quite busy. Yeah, so yeah, we appreciate it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, thanks Kara.
Speaker 1: Alright, I got a pack.
Speaker 2: Honestly, we got to give it up for Kara because
Speaker 2: although we may not see eye to eye all the time,
Speaker 2: she is truly an incredible competitor. She had such a
Speaker 2: great season of All Stars, and it was great to
Speaker 2: have her on the podcast.
Speaker 1: Yeah, definitely was nice to hear the taking a break
Speaker 1: does benefit you and you can come back this newly charged,
Speaker 1: recharged human and go into a game and kill it
Speaker 1: and still feel okay about like all the decisions you made.
Speaker 1: She made some cool ass friends, and I think that
Speaker 1: she can take those good feelings with her throughout the
Speaker 1: rest of her Challenge career.
Speaker 2: Agreed, she did not disappoint for all the car stands
Speaker 2: out there. She put on an incredible show and I'm
Speaker 2: sure she gained a few new fans along the way.
Speaker 2: And Anissa, you also have gained some fans along the
Speaker 2: way because you absolutely crushed this season of the Challenge podcast. Congratulate.
Speaker 1: Thank you Vookski you did too.
Speaker 2: You know, you had me cracking up. You had me
Speaker 2: having the best laughs and may have farted in my
Speaker 2: seat a few times from laughter. I mean, like, I
Speaker 2: just can't thank you enough for being my co host
Speaker 2: because like you really it this season and it's always
Speaker 2: a pleasure to work with you and you as.
Speaker 1: Well, Tory. Where can the people find you and support you?
Speaker 2: You guys can find me at Tory Underscore Deal on
Speaker 2: Instagram and please find me on social media because you're
Speaker 2: not going to hear me here anymore for a little bit,
Speaker 2: but you may see me somewhere in the future, so
Speaker 2: keep your eyes out and follow me on my Instagram.
Speaker 1: And Anissa, where can they find and follow you on
Speaker 1: Instagram as well? It's Anissa MTV A N E E
Speaker 1: s A MTV. Yeah. All Starts four is officially over,
Speaker 1: and I'm sad to say that because I really enjoy
Speaker 1: All Stars.
Speaker 2: Yes me too, I really do. Thank you guys so
Speaker 2: much for joining us for the last episode of MTV's
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