WEBVTT - Vince Russo

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<v Speaker 1>I love everyone is here for all the cool, extreme

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<v Speaker 1>francing and welcome to another episode of Eyes up Here

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<v Speaker 1>with Ran Scene on the iHeartRadio Network or wherever you

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<v Speaker 1>get your podcast, joining me as always because they can't

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<v Speaker 1>get rid of them with my co host Chad, don't

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<v Speaker 1>shake your head. You know it's true. Are you today,

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<v Speaker 1>my friends?

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<v Speaker 2>What can you say? I love being here and you

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<v Speaker 2>can't get rid of me if you try it.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm trying. It's not working. We're doing double duty today,

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<v Speaker 1>ladies and gentlemen, because next week I am I'm taking

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<v Speaker 1>the kiddies on a little baker if you will. My well,

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<v Speaker 1>my husband's going home to UH to visit his family.

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<v Speaker 1>He is going to a basketball reunion because he used

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<v Speaker 1>to play basket the basketball for the Iliani and UH

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<v Speaker 1>he has a reunion and so he's going there and

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<v Speaker 1>and I'm going to take the kids somewhere. I'm not

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<v Speaker 1>gonna say where, but I'm going to take the kids

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<v Speaker 1>somewhere by myself for the first time. And I'm nervous

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<v Speaker 1>as hell about it. Let me tell you why I

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<v Speaker 1>always have It's always the four of us. It's always me,

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<v Speaker 1>my husband and the kids. He always drives He always

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<v Speaker 1>plans everything, He navigates, he knows where everything is. Me,

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<v Speaker 1>on the other hand, not so much.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't have a good sense of direction. I forget things.

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<v Speaker 3>I get nervous driving.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm desperately afraid that God forbid, I'm gonna get in

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<v Speaker 1>a car accident.

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<v Speaker 3>So I plan to drive eighteen miles an.

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<v Speaker 1>Hour and just cruise. And I'm telling me, I have

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<v Speaker 1>stress about it. I booked it myself, which I you know,

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<v Speaker 1>I can do those kind of things. But I've been thinking, like,

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<v Speaker 1>God forbid, what if something happens, you know. But I

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<v Speaker 1>just didn't want to be home without him, so I

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<v Speaker 1>was like, it's boring, Let's just go do something. So

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<v Speaker 1>we're going to a nice resort and we're gonna eat

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<v Speaker 1>and swim and be merry for four days of our lives.

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<v Speaker 1>And it's gonna be fun. I think I just gotta

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<v Speaker 1>get there. Once I get there, I'll feel so much better.

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<v Speaker 3>It's like, ah, I can breathe them, So yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>It'll be fun. Can I come.

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<v Speaker 1>Nobout, Absolutely not a man.

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<v Speaker 2>I have my bags packed and everything.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh too bad. You can bring your family and meet

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<v Speaker 1>us there.

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<v Speaker 2>Are you gonna be doing Christmas cards? While you're there.

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<v Speaker 1>No, I don't do Christmas card. You're lucky. If you

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<v Speaker 1>get a phone call.

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<v Speaker 2>From me, I'll send my annual Christmas card.

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<v Speaker 1>H Yeah, now we I stopped doing that probably like

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<v Speaker 1>three or four years ago. I think I used to do.

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<v Speaker 1>I used to do the whole thing. Get the kids

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<v Speaker 1>on the you know, take the picture, put them on

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<v Speaker 1>the card, send the card down. Then I realized like

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<v Speaker 1>people were like, even the people I was sending cards

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<v Speaker 1>to weren't sending them back. And that irritated me. And

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<v Speaker 1>I was just like, well, f this, I'm not doing

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<v Speaker 1>that anymore. My Christmas spirit went out the door. So

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<v Speaker 1>I don't do it anymore.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know, send a nice handwritten one, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>then send you one every year?

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, no, you do, and that's very sweet. And I

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<v Speaker 3>used to be like you.

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<v Speaker 1>And then my kids got big, and I was like,

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<v Speaker 1>they don't want to take pictures anymore, And who really cares?

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<v Speaker 1>You know, if you're my friend, I talk to you.

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<v Speaker 1>You either get a text or a phone call, depending

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<v Speaker 1>on where you rank in the Queen's world. And that's that. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, some people are up here, others are down here.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean your queen always looking down I mean.

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<v Speaker 1>At my peasants. But you know, you know how goes.

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<v Speaker 2>I do, I do unfortunately.

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<v Speaker 1>Anyway, So that's that's what we're doing. And I don't know.

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<v Speaker 1>We might get a great adventure this weekend see the

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<v Speaker 1>Christmas Lights maybe, So what do you got planning? You

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<v Speaker 1>got anything? Don't know?

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<v Speaker 2>Uh No, this is a quiet weekend, thank god, you know.

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<v Speaker 2>But before the Christmas high jinks start, we always have

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<v Speaker 2>some wild shenanigans going on. We have down my Way,

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<v Speaker 2>we have King's Dominion, and we plan on doing King's

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<v Speaker 2>Dominion probably the weekend before Christmas Derek Extravaganza. Now they

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<v Speaker 2>have the Peanuts Gang at King's Dominion, So I think

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<v Speaker 2>that's pretty cool because I mean a lot of people

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<v Speaker 2>associate Charlie Brown and Peanuts Gang with Christmas, so we

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<v Speaker 2>will be doing that for the first time.

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<v Speaker 1>I love it. It's great.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't love Charlie the Charlie Brown Christmas that much.

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<v Speaker 2>I like I like it, like it's one I get

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<v Speaker 2>out of the way early. But I'm hosting a Christmas.

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<v Speaker 3>Wors you are, which I didn't get.

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<v Speaker 2>No time out, time out. Well I'll get to that.

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<v Speaker 2>But no at the at the elementary school. I'm hosting

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<v Speaker 2>a family movie night where we're watching The Grinch.

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<v Speaker 4>So that that's cute.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that's a good one, so very cute. The Christmas party,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm sorry. You know, certain elements that we can't control

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<v Speaker 2>in this country of ours have downgraded the party to

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<v Speaker 2>get together so get togethers. You don't usually invite people

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<v Speaker 2>from outside the.

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<v Speaker 1>Not true, you have no legs to stay. I swear

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<v Speaker 1>if I lived in Virginia and still didn't get invites.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh you would absolutely be invited.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't think I would be friends with you at all,

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<v Speaker 1>Like I wouldn't even talk to you. I mean, I

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<v Speaker 1>know we live very far apart, and that's why I

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<v Speaker 1>don't take offense. But as I always say, a good

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<v Speaker 1>gesture would be like, hey, I'm having this thing. You know,

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<v Speaker 1>if you guys want to drive down, you're more than

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<v Speaker 1>welcome to. I literally won't. But there's the invite.

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<v Speaker 2>I foresee inviting you to something in twenty twenty four.

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<v Speaker 2>But I have a feeling you'll be booked, so no,

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<v Speaker 2>probably won't be coming, but I'm going to invite you

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<v Speaker 2>to it.

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<v Speaker 1>So well, I won't come, but you that I won't come,

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<v Speaker 1>but you have. Twenty twenty four is looking really good,

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<v Speaker 1>really good. I am so surprised I have now we know, January,

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<v Speaker 1>I usually don't take any bookings because I have to.

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<v Speaker 1>I need a month to prepare for Disney.

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<v Speaker 2>We all know that.

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<v Speaker 1>But I'm booked in February, I'm booked I think three

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<v Speaker 1>weekends in March. I'm booked in April for Wrestle Khan,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm booked in May, booked in June. Like up until

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<v Speaker 1>the mid the middle of the year. I have all

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<v Speaker 1>this stuff going on, and I'm so happy about it because,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, I really want to start getting out there

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<v Speaker 1>and working again, because this year was just not a

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<v Speaker 1>good year.

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<v Speaker 3>For me and my family.

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<v Speaker 1>But next year is looking really promising and I'm very

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<v Speaker 1>very excited, and I just hope the offers keep coming in,

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<v Speaker 1>and you know, if things work out the way we want,

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<v Speaker 1>I can be working every single month, which would be excellent.

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<v Speaker 3>I want twenty twenty four to be my year.

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<v Speaker 2>Year of the Queen. I can see it on the

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<v Speaker 2>marquee read above.

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<v Speaker 1>That would be great. I just want to be busy.

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<v Speaker 1>I want to work. I want this to grow, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>I want YouTube to grow. Because our YouTube is almost

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<v Speaker 1>that ten k. I know I sound so repetitive, but

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<v Speaker 1>we're so close on YouTube, and we really need everybody

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<v Speaker 1>to start downloading these episodes here on iHeart or you know,

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<v Speaker 1>Apple or iTunes or Spotify or wherever you listen. And

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<v Speaker 1>if you're listening now, please go and share an art

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<v Speaker 1>and tell your friends. And you know, I want everything

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<v Speaker 1>I do to grow and expand, and I want to

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<v Speaker 1>take over the world. That's my nearest.

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<v Speaker 2>Resolution, one medium at a time, take over the world.

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<v Speaker 1>No, it's it'll be our fifth year, so I think

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<v Speaker 1>it's it's time.

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<v Speaker 2>It's time colamorating for the queen. Question, is this going

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<v Speaker 2>to be your thirtieth year to twenty twenty four?

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<v Speaker 1>Thirty?

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<v Speaker 3>This is my This December makes thirty years A wow?

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<v Speaker 2>Interesting?

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<v Speaker 4>Yes, very cool.

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<v Speaker 1>So yeah, it's it's been a hell of a ride.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm not ready to get off yet. So I want

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<v Speaker 1>to keep going. Yeah, I want to keep going and

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<v Speaker 1>expanding and doing new things and working with new people

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<v Speaker 1>and just providing new content for everyone listening and not

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<v Speaker 1>done yet.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, there could be some very cool content coming this

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<v Speaker 2>way the podcast roots.

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<v Speaker 1>So I hope. So, because I'm ready to have.

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<v Speaker 2>Some stuff possibly brewing in the lab as they say,

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<v Speaker 2>dew we Okay, well, yes, indeed.

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<v Speaker 1>Very good. I can't wait to collab and hear what

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<v Speaker 1>you got, Bruin. So I'm very excited. Yeah, it's going

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<v Speaker 1>to be a good year. I think it's going to

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<v Speaker 1>be a good year for both of us. Very optimistic.

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<v Speaker 1>And you know me, I'm usually a pessimist about certain things.

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<v Speaker 1>But I have a good feeling. No, not you, I know,

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<v Speaker 1>I never do. I never have a good feeling, but

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<v Speaker 1>I feel like I have a good feeling about.

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<v Speaker 2>With the Saturdayight Live character Debbie Downer, now with the

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<v Speaker 2>face Debbie Downer makes the.

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<v Speaker 1>That was one of the greatest skits that SNL ever had,

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<v Speaker 1>absolutely phenomenal. The one at Disneyland was the best thing

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<v Speaker 1>they ever did with I've said that a million times.

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<v Speaker 1>So great.

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<v Speaker 2>That's the one where they couldn't even remotely keep a

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<v Speaker 2>stray face.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, yeah at all.

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<v Speaker 1>But have you sent our guests they Okay, I'm gonna

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<v Speaker 1>let you do the honors because this this is the

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<v Speaker 1>Chadsters work. He had a problem getting this guy in

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<v Speaker 1>and he's going to nail them for it. So you're

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<v Speaker 1>gonna do the intro and once he's ready to come in,

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<v Speaker 1>hopefully he's uh, he's getting it now and we'll be

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<v Speaker 1>ready to go.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. I did not think it would be as hard

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<v Speaker 2>as it was, but I guess it was. I guess

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<v Speaker 2>you you might chalk it up to crossing of the streams.

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<v Speaker 2>Maybe you know, there was the channels. Look, there's so

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<v Speaker 2>many ways of communication these days. You know, you send

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<v Speaker 2>it to this outlet, you send it to the way

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<v Speaker 2>you get received. I mean I probably could have gone

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<v Speaker 2>three or four different routes to get the message out,

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<v Speaker 2>but the one I went just was like going into

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<v Speaker 2>a black hole. So when when he jumps on, I'm

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<v Speaker 2>gonna you know, and I know what he's gonna say.

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<v Speaker 2>I I had to go through a third party to intermediate.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh my gosh. Well, the worst thing on the planet

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<v Speaker 1>is when you can tell that somebody read your message

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<v Speaker 1>and they don't answer you yeah, and then they go, oh,

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<v Speaker 1>my phone was just you know, my text message thing

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<v Speaker 1>was just open and it just said red and I

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<v Speaker 1>hadn't seen it for six hours.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm like, really, that's a bunch of bs right there.

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<v Speaker 1>I pet Peeves like, if I if it says red,

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<v Speaker 1>answer me, you.

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<v Speaker 2>Know mine don't say red, and I get accused you.

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<v Speaker 1>Were say delivered, so I know it got there. But

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<v Speaker 1>when when I'm texting with you and you answer me

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<v Speaker 1>right away for the first one and then you take

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<v Speaker 1>twelve hours for the second one, I literally want to

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<v Speaker 1>punch you in the face. I know. I hate that.

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<v Speaker 1>That's annoying. I know, I know, especially if I need

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<v Speaker 1>an answer, like you're the worst. You're not a good

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<v Speaker 1>text message.

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<v Speaker 2>I swear to you on a stack of Bibles. I

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<v Speaker 2>sometimes forget in the conversation you're talking in that moment,

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<v Speaker 2>I get pulled in nine hundred.

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<v Speaker 1>Directions like you're the only person in the world who

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<v Speaker 1>has stuff going on.

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<v Speaker 4>I do not every day.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh my god, what a day.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh my god, Oh my god.

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<v Speaker 1>You don't think I'm doing stuff? Do you think I'm

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<v Speaker 1>like Peg Bundy and I just sit on the couch

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<v Speaker 1>with Bombonds all day and watch soap operas and shit.

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<v Speaker 2>I think, where your your francy and outfits around the house,

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<v Speaker 2>and you do exactly that.

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<v Speaker 1>That's exactly.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh my god. We bought a Christmas tree for the

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<v Speaker 3>front porch.

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<v Speaker 1>I went out, uh maybe yesterday or the day before

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<v Speaker 1>to put the balls on it, and I was in

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<v Speaker 1>my pajamas and it was like twelve o'clock in the afternoon.

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<v Speaker 1>I was still in my pajamas.

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<v Speaker 3>The freaking ups guy drives up and comes.

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<v Speaker 1>Right off to my standing there, and he's like, how

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<v Speaker 1>you doing? And I was like, oh, I'm still in

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<v Speaker 1>my pajamas. How are you? How embarrassing?

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<v Speaker 3>So I do stay in my pajamas sometimes.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, well, we'd like to say that's the state flag

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<v Speaker 2>of Virginia is the red check pajamas.

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<v Speaker 1>I won't the way out in my pajamas. I've never

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<v Speaker 1>shopped at Walmart in my pajamas. I don't do that

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<v Speaker 1>kind of stuff.

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<v Speaker 3>But I'll sit in my house in my pajamas.

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<v Speaker 1>If I don't have to go anywhere in the weather's crap,

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<v Speaker 1>Why can't I stay in my pajamas If I don't

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<v Speaker 1>have a like an outside job. I was gonna say,

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<v Speaker 1>what you gotta do?

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, you know, it's I've never been like a

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<v Speaker 2>strict like pajama guy.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, like my pajama pants on right now?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I mean you do you boo?

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<v Speaker 4>I mean I'm my Eagles jersey.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I'm like, you know, I'm I'm like a casual

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<v Speaker 2>like you know at tire guy. You know, so sweats.

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<v Speaker 4>Do you like sweats?

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<v Speaker 2>Sweats?

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<v Speaker 1>Love them?

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<v Speaker 2>Go right from the sweats and like even you know,

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<v Speaker 2>working from home, like I'll either be in you know,

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<v Speaker 2>like the Adidas style track pants or jeans. You know,

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<v Speaker 2>like I go right into the jeans.

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<v Speaker 3>But it are not comfortable to sit for hours in.

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<v Speaker 3>They're really not. I mean, if that's good for you,

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<v Speaker 3>that's great.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean again, we're always running around. I'm running out

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<v Speaker 2>of the house.

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<v Speaker 1>I gotta go, yeah, but to lounge. Oh no, I

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<v Speaker 1>need pajamas or nice comfy sweats and I'm good to go.

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<v Speaker 1>But don't judge me because I know never just stay

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<v Speaker 1>in your pajamas as well. All right, So here's pajamas

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<v Speaker 1>right now.

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<v Speaker 2>Here's my introduction a guy who I have a great

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<v Speaker 2>deal of respect for. But I am absolutely baffled that

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<v Speaker 2>it took me to go through Mike Durban to have

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<v Speaker 2>to get him on the airwaves. Like I said, respect

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<v Speaker 2>him to death. The one and only the great Vince

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<v Speaker 2>Russo came back, but I had to go brband to

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<v Speaker 2>get him.

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<v Speaker 4>Bro, I don't know what happened. I swear I did

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<v Speaker 4>not get the email. I looked in my spam. I

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<v Speaker 4>don't know what happened, but it doesn't matter way here anyway.

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<v Speaker 2>Bro, Vince, thanks for coming back box.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, Vince, it's been a while. How First of all,

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<v Speaker 1>you look great?

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<v Speaker 4>Thank you?

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<v Speaker 1>So do you seek refreshed and rejuvenated.

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<v Speaker 4>Just got out of a shower, ready to go. I'm

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<v Speaker 4>starting my day with you, Francine.

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<v Speaker 1>I can smell you. You look clean, smell clean.

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<v Speaker 4>I like that to be aquavelba, aquavelba, aqua velva. Is that?

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<v Speaker 1>Is that what men were these days?

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<v Speaker 4>I don't think I don't think you can get that anymore. Bro,

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<v Speaker 4>aquavelba was like back in the seventies.

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<v Speaker 1>Man, Is that like old spice? Yeah?

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<v Speaker 4>Pretty much?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, pretty much. Well, you know the classics never dies.

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<v Speaker 4>Oh never, never, ever, ever, ever, Good for you.

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<v Speaker 1>Vince is associated with the brand. For those of you

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<v Speaker 1>who don't know, tell us how that's going. I want

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<v Speaker 1>to start off with that.

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<v Speaker 4>Well, I want to tell you this real quick man.

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<v Speaker 4>We're doing a special right now. If you have never

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<v Speaker 4>tried out our Patreon, you can go over there right

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<v Speaker 4>now and get a free week of the brand. It

0:16:04.560 --> 0:16:08.040
<v Speaker 4>will cost you absolutely nothing. It will let you sample

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<v Speaker 4>all our content right there on the screen. Man, just

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<v Speaker 4>go to Patreon dot com, forward slash russo TWC awesome.

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<v Speaker 3>And what what talent do you have with you right now?

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<v Speaker 4>Because it's been yeah, right now. I always forget somebody.

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<v Speaker 4>Of course, I've got Stevie Richards, Stevie Richards, the Great Benjamin,

0:16:27.800 --> 0:16:32.760
<v Speaker 4>I've got Stevie Ray from Hallam Heat, I've got EC three,

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<v Speaker 4>I've got al snow God. I know, I always forget somebody.

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<v Speaker 4>But she's she's not on no more. We Yeah, we

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<v Speaker 4>switched some shows around. That's okay. Going into the new Yeah,

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<v Speaker 4>going into the new year, I wanted to switch some

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<v Speaker 4>shows around, so we added some, we took some away.

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<v Speaker 4>But uh yeah, there there's so much content on there,

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<v Speaker 4>so much content.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I love it. So I I want to ask

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<v Speaker 1>you a question. Yeah, and I you know, if you

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<v Speaker 1>don't want to answer, you don't have to.

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<v Speaker 3>But I have a feeling you'll want to go ahead.

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<v Speaker 1>What's with all the feuds you're feuding? I saw, I

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<v Speaker 1>saw you just tweeted Triple H. I think you're trying

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<v Speaker 1>to fight him. I think you're trying to fight Seawn

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<v Speaker 1>Ross Sap.

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<v Speaker 4>No. For first of all, I don't I don't know.

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<v Speaker 4>I don't know. I don't know him as Sean Ross Sap.

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<v Speaker 4>Unless you're a celebrity, you don't. You don't get three

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<v Speaker 4>name treatments. The fact of the matter is the dude's

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<v Speaker 4>name is Sean Sap, and you know they made fun

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<v Speaker 4>of him all throughout grade school in high school. He doesn't.

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<v Speaker 4>He doesn't. He's not worthy of the middle name. So

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<v Speaker 4>if you're gonna, if you want to discussing with me,

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<v Speaker 4>that's fine. But I don't know any Seawn Ross SAPs.

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<v Speaker 4>I just know a Sewan Sap.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, well, whoever you know. I met him once. I

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<v Speaker 1>have to say he was lovely to me.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, very very nice.

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<v Speaker 1>Man.

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<v Speaker 4>Okay, let me tell you how lovely he is, fran Scene.

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<v Speaker 4>He's so lovely, and how this whole thing started. This

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<v Speaker 4>guy is so lovely, bro that I am sitting on

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<v Speaker 4>my couch one night a couple of months ago, man,

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<v Speaker 4>eleven thirty at night and get a I get a

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<v Speaker 4>text out of the clear blue sky from Seawn Ross's

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<v Speaker 4>slap saying, Vince, I just want you to know what

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<v Speaker 4>a big piece of shit you are. That's how lovely,

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<v Speaker 4>that's how wonderful sewn Ross Sap is. So the bottom

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<v Speaker 4>line is, you talk about these feuds, Bro, you want

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<v Speaker 4>to poke the bear. You want to go at it

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<v Speaker 4>with me? Fine, bro, like let's go. Let's see how

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<v Speaker 4>that's gonna turn out for you. The problem with Triple

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<v Speaker 4>h is and Francine you will agree to this, and

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<v Speaker 4>you don't have to even agree to this. I know

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<v Speaker 4>you're gonna agree with this. Don't give me the bullshit

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<v Speaker 4>with It's a different time. Wrestling is evolving, Bro. Wrestling

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<v Speaker 4>is the same as wrestling was one hundred years ago.

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<v Speaker 4>You have a match. The idea of the match is

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<v Speaker 4>to pin and beat your opponents. You could beat him

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<v Speaker 4>three ways. You could pin him, you can get counted out,

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<v Speaker 4>or he can get dequ'ed. That has been the same

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<v Speaker 4>for a hundred years. Wrestling has not evolved. So stop

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<v Speaker 4>with the bullshit. And the bottom line is the WWE

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<v Speaker 4>sold out. They sold out, bro. Bottom line, they got

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<v Speaker 4>to the point. We're gonna be politically correct. We're not

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<v Speaker 4>gonna insult anybody. We're not gonna have an edge anymore.

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<v Speaker 4>We're not gonna be dangerous anymore. We're gonna put on

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<v Speaker 4>Manby Pamby Programming and Francine, that's fine. A lot of

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<v Speaker 4>people sell out. People will say Snoop Dogg sold out

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<v Speaker 4>because he's in a million commercials. I got no problem

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<v Speaker 4>with selling out because that's part of business. What I

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<v Speaker 4>got a problem with is, don't bullshit us. Don't give

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<v Speaker 4>me this evolution, this evolving. Don't you guys sold out? Period?

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<v Speaker 4>End of story, Say you sold out and let's move on.

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<v Speaker 1>Is it selling out though, or is it just trying

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<v Speaker 1>to extend the brand adapt to the times? Uh?

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<v Speaker 4>You know they adapted to the times by selling out,

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<v Speaker 4>by not doing anything that's gonna possibly offend anybody. Listen, Fretzine,

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<v Speaker 4>this is professional wrestling. You're gonna be in the professional

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<v Speaker 4>wrestling business, and you know and and not you know,

0:20:33.119 --> 0:20:37.600
<v Speaker 4>get somebody's panties in a wad. You always are no

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<v Speaker 4>matter what, bro there are going to be people that

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<v Speaker 4>are upset. If people want to find a problem with

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<v Speaker 4>your product, they'll find a problem with your product. You're

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<v Speaker 4>not going to please everybody. So when you know, they

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<v Speaker 4>made a decision to become politically correct, so they could

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<v Speaker 4>be in business with Saudi Arabia and they could be

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<v Speaker 4>in business whoever they want to. But we are talking

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<v Speaker 4>about professional wrestling here. We're not talking about a puppet show.

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<v Speaker 4>Professional wrestling was never meant to not, you know, get

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<v Speaker 4>somebody upset. It was never meant to be that.

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<v Speaker 3>Okay, uh, tell me about you and Baba.

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<v Speaker 1>What do you mean the missed?

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<v Speaker 4>Oh god, this is good.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm pulling up things that have caused a star one x.

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<v Speaker 4>Well, you know, according to Sean's sap uh, here's a

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<v Speaker 4>funny thing. According to Sean sab franc scene. I'm doing

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<v Speaker 4>all of this to stay relevant. Okay, now trying.

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<v Speaker 1>To get a job with.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, well, not not only that. Here's what cracks me up.

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<v Speaker 4>Here's what cracks me up. Raw drew a million and

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<v Speaker 4>a half people on on Monday Night. If I was

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<v Speaker 4>trying to stay relevant, the absolute last genre I would

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<v Speaker 4>try to stay relevant would be wrestling. Wrestling is not relevant.

0:22:04.680 --> 0:22:09.240
<v Speaker 4>Wrestling hasn't been relevant four years. So if I was

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<v Speaker 4>actually trying to stay relevant, I promise you I would

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<v Speaker 4>not be doing it through a company and through a

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<v Speaker 4>business that is the most irrelevant in entertainment and sports

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<v Speaker 4>across the board. Now, according to Bubba Is, you know,

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<v Speaker 4>I watch these shows, Francine, only because I get paid

0:22:32.400 --> 0:22:36.359
<v Speaker 4>to watch these shows. The minute they stop paying me,

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<v Speaker 4>I stop watching. It's that simple. But I am watching.

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<v Speaker 4>I'm watching this, Okay. First of all, I got to

0:22:42.400 --> 0:22:44.960
<v Speaker 4>check my watch to make sure it's twenty twenty three.

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<v Speaker 4>So I'm watching Cody Rhodes come out and explain how

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<v Speaker 4>Knakamora spewed a poison, missed a poison missed into his face.

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<v Speaker 4>But yet here we are seven days later and they're

0:23:06.600 --> 0:23:11.520
<v Speaker 4>both perfectly fine. I just didn't understand that if Knakamora

0:23:11.960 --> 0:23:17.720
<v Speaker 4>is holding a poison in his mouth, I'm thinking it's blistering.

0:23:17.840 --> 0:23:21.600
<v Speaker 4>I'm thinking he's got cancasaurs. I'm thinking he can't breathe.

0:23:21.720 --> 0:23:27.520
<v Speaker 4>I'm thinking his his, his, his, his, Larnix is closing up.

0:23:27.600 --> 0:23:31.000
<v Speaker 4>And then Cody gets the poison in the eyes, and

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<v Speaker 4>I'm thinking of oh my god. You know, bro, it's like,

0:23:33.680 --> 0:23:37.000
<v Speaker 4>can you imagine getting chlorox in your eyes or you know,

0:23:37.359 --> 0:23:41.359
<v Speaker 4>even uh, even pepper spray. But here we are a

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<v Speaker 4>week later, and we're both perfectly fine. To me, that's

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<v Speaker 4>what casual fans laugh at and the reason why you

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<v Speaker 4>still get crap today, Francine. I'm not telling you anything.

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<v Speaker 4>You don't know. You've got the wrestling bubble and they

0:23:58.760 --> 0:24:02.000
<v Speaker 4>all live in the resting bubble. They don't have a

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<v Speaker 4>clue of what's going on on the outside world. You

0:24:05.800 --> 0:24:09.600
<v Speaker 4>got people in there, bro that through politics have been

0:24:09.720 --> 0:24:14.320
<v Speaker 4>holding their spots forever. When when when the world passed

0:24:14.320 --> 0:24:17.560
<v Speaker 4>them by a long time ago? So when when I

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<v Speaker 4>when I hear of a poison missed, people are laughing

0:24:23.480 --> 0:24:27.480
<v Speaker 4>at that. And and you know what, Bubba can say

0:24:27.520 --> 0:24:32.080
<v Speaker 4>whatever Bubba wants to say. Back in the day of Muda,

0:24:32.280 --> 0:24:36.359
<v Speaker 4>nobody ever said it was poison. Nobody. Poison is a

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<v Speaker 4>whole different category. Fran scene.

0:24:38.400 --> 0:24:40.800
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I'm trying to think because I I've taken that

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<v Speaker 1>from to Jerry to Jerry used to you?

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<v Speaker 4>Was it poison?

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<v Speaker 3>You know it was green mist?

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<v Speaker 4>Was it poison? Was poison?

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<v Speaker 1>Poison? I've taken it a couple of times and I

0:24:51.680 --> 0:24:53.800
<v Speaker 1>know it went into every orifice of my body.

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<v Speaker 4>Is it poison? Though?

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<v Speaker 3>You know, I can't remember if it was poisoned?

0:24:58.359 --> 0:25:01.240
<v Speaker 4>Just skin boiled? Did did you you're all boys boil?

0:25:01.440 --> 0:25:03.640
<v Speaker 1>I did come to work the next week? What would

0:25:03.720 --> 0:25:06.359
<v Speaker 1>you call it? If you had to rename this mist?

0:25:06.440 --> 0:25:10.119
<v Speaker 4>Well, miss miss we don't know what's in the mist. Okay,

0:25:10.160 --> 0:25:12.480
<v Speaker 4>it's something temporary, blinding minding.

0:25:12.560 --> 0:25:14.160
<v Speaker 2>It's a blinding miss.

0:25:13.920 --> 0:25:18.520
<v Speaker 4>Yes, blinding miss thank you Jazz. Poison like poison, Bro,

0:25:19.000 --> 0:25:25.280
<v Speaker 4>I'm actually gonna put poison in my mouth, Brom, I'm sorry.

0:25:25.680 --> 0:25:28.600
<v Speaker 4>These are the things you have to look at because

0:25:28.640 --> 0:25:34.080
<v Speaker 4>it's twoenty twenty three, it's not nineteen seventy three. These

0:25:34.119 --> 0:25:36.480
<v Speaker 4>are the things you have to look at.

0:25:36.640 --> 0:25:41.720
<v Speaker 1>I'm reading because I love to read comments. Anyone that

0:25:41.800 --> 0:25:44.879
<v Speaker 1>I follow I read comments. I like to see what

0:25:44.960 --> 0:25:49.800
<v Speaker 1>fans are saying about things. People are still blaming you.

0:25:50.480 --> 0:25:52.920
<v Speaker 1>And we've talked about this before. Now we're on iHeart,

0:25:52.920 --> 0:25:55.520
<v Speaker 1>so we have a new audience that's listening. So I'm

0:25:55.520 --> 0:25:58.720
<v Speaker 1>gonna say it again. People are still blaming you for

0:25:58.880 --> 0:26:05.160
<v Speaker 1>like downfalls of companies coming up with ridiculous angles, things

0:26:05.240 --> 0:26:07.560
<v Speaker 1>that you said you weren't even a part of, and

0:26:08.080 --> 0:26:11.199
<v Speaker 1>fans just seem to love to pick at you and

0:26:11.440 --> 0:26:15.600
<v Speaker 1>argue with you constantly. Like the thing that I want

0:26:15.680 --> 0:26:18.000
<v Speaker 1>to know is how are you not losing your mind?

0:26:18.240 --> 0:26:21.240
<v Speaker 4>Because well, for first of all, a couple of reasons.

0:26:21.240 --> 0:26:24.720
<v Speaker 4>First of all, I never read comments, and second of.

0:26:24.760 --> 0:26:27.800
<v Speaker 3>All of them, so you do read comments because no,

0:26:28.000 --> 0:26:28.320
<v Speaker 3>I don't.

0:26:28.359 --> 0:26:29.639
<v Speaker 4>I don't. I don't read the comments.

0:26:29.720 --> 0:26:32.040
<v Speaker 1>I'll on you respond to comments if you don't.

0:26:32.160 --> 0:26:33.880
<v Speaker 4>If you don't, I don't respond to comments.

0:26:34.000 --> 0:26:35.040
<v Speaker 1>I've seen you respond.

0:26:35.119 --> 0:26:39.280
<v Speaker 4>I don't. Francene, I don't unless it's a bubba. Francine,

0:26:39.320 --> 0:26:42.200
<v Speaker 4>I don't. I mean, I'm telling you, I don't. I

0:26:42.600 --> 0:26:44.840
<v Speaker 4>do you know? On my you I did a video

0:26:44.920 --> 0:26:48.160
<v Speaker 4>yesterday on YouTube that said five thousand views. I don't

0:26:48.200 --> 0:26:51.920
<v Speaker 4>look at those comments. I will, I will see comments

0:26:52.000 --> 0:26:52.760
<v Speaker 4>on Twitter.

0:26:53.160 --> 0:26:54.439
<v Speaker 1>Yes, that's what I'm referring to.

0:26:54.600 --> 0:26:57.840
<v Speaker 4>Oh yeah, No, I only unless it's a bubba, or

0:26:57.920 --> 0:27:01.639
<v Speaker 4>unless it's somebody in the industry or the business. My

0:27:01.880 --> 0:27:05.800
<v Speaker 4>comments are very few and far between, very cool, and

0:27:05.880 --> 0:27:11.320
<v Speaker 4>because here's the reason. It's real simple. My brand of

0:27:11.400 --> 0:27:16.760
<v Speaker 4>television was entertainment. All of these people commenting want believe

0:27:16.960 --> 0:27:21.280
<v Speaker 4>wrestling is real. They think it's real. They've convinced themselves

0:27:21.359 --> 0:27:25.800
<v Speaker 4>it's real. They want twenty thirty minute wrestling matches. They

0:27:25.840 --> 0:27:30.040
<v Speaker 4>want to put stars to those wrestling matches. And that's

0:27:30.119 --> 0:27:34.840
<v Speaker 4>not how I wrote TV. And oh my god, surprise, surprise, surprise.

0:27:35.200 --> 0:27:38.679
<v Speaker 4>The television I wrote had the highest ratings in the

0:27:38.760 --> 0:27:42.760
<v Speaker 4>history of wrestling. Why not because I was a genius

0:27:42.800 --> 0:27:47.520
<v Speaker 4>friend scene, because I opened it up to everybody through

0:27:47.920 --> 0:27:53.879
<v Speaker 4>entertainment in wrestling today, if you're not a fan of

0:27:53.920 --> 0:27:59.639
<v Speaker 4>the wrestling, you're not watching. It's that simple. So you know,

0:27:59.800 --> 0:28:03.080
<v Speaker 4>I I opened it up to everybody. You didn't have

0:28:03.240 --> 0:28:07.560
<v Speaker 4>to be a fan of the actual wrestling. And that's

0:28:07.840 --> 0:28:11.639
<v Speaker 4>that's what the marks didn't like. So it's it's real.

0:28:11.840 --> 0:28:15.760
<v Speaker 4>It's real simple. And that's why I don't look at

0:28:15.800 --> 0:28:18.560
<v Speaker 4>comments and I don't answer comments because I know they're

0:28:18.600 --> 0:28:20.159
<v Speaker 4>they're ridiculous mindset.

0:28:20.800 --> 0:28:24.639
<v Speaker 1>Storylines to me are very important, very important. If a

0:28:24.720 --> 0:28:28.119
<v Speaker 1>story doesn't draw me in, I can't waste thirty minutes

0:28:28.119 --> 0:28:31.760
<v Speaker 1>of my time, even if the guys are great workers.

0:28:31.000 --> 0:28:35.320
<v Speaker 1>I need something to invest in, yes, and to bring

0:28:35.359 --> 0:28:37.879
<v Speaker 1>me back every week. So I one hundred percent agree

0:28:37.920 --> 0:28:40.920
<v Speaker 1>with what you're saying, and I feel like you excelled

0:28:41.000 --> 0:28:44.280
<v Speaker 1>at that story telling aspect of the.

0:28:44.280 --> 0:28:49.560
<v Speaker 4>Business because that's what your casual fan, your casual television

0:28:49.920 --> 0:28:54.719
<v Speaker 4>television audience wants, That's what they want. That's why you

0:28:54.840 --> 0:28:59.360
<v Speaker 4>are drawing a one point five million people. They're not

0:28:59.840 --> 0:29:05.280
<v Speaker 4>in tristed in twenty minute wrestling matches, right, what would you.

0:29:05.440 --> 0:29:11.000
<v Speaker 1>Do, either with WWE or AEW to change if they

0:29:11.080 --> 0:29:12.880
<v Speaker 1>hired you and I know you're not interested.

0:29:13.320 --> 0:29:15.120
<v Speaker 4>I'm not interested. It's never been happen.

0:29:15.600 --> 0:29:18.960
<v Speaker 1>You're not interested. But with you all of your expertise,

0:29:19.120 --> 0:29:20.880
<v Speaker 1>because you have been in the business for a very

0:29:20.920 --> 0:29:24.920
<v Speaker 1>long time, what would you do to poperating these things?

0:29:24.960 --> 0:29:28.840
<v Speaker 4>Francine, It's real simple, and it's the same thing I

0:29:28.920 --> 0:29:32.960
<v Speaker 4>told Vince McMahon in nineteen ninety six when they were

0:29:33.040 --> 0:29:37.160
<v Speaker 4>doing Mantar and TL Hopper and the Goon and all

0:29:37.240 --> 0:29:43.360
<v Speaker 4>this ridiculous crap. I told Vince McMahon in nineteen ninety six, Vince,

0:29:43.680 --> 0:29:49.160
<v Speaker 4>this product needs to mirror society. What that means is,

0:29:49.440 --> 0:29:58.160
<v Speaker 4>it's real simple, franccene. Realism, realism, make it real and work,

0:29:58.480 --> 0:30:02.880
<v Speaker 4>work the shoot, work the shoot, not not poison mist

0:30:03.040 --> 0:30:08.440
<v Speaker 4>in the eyes. I'm talking about reality. Franccene. Here's a

0:30:08.480 --> 0:30:15.280
<v Speaker 4>perfect example. Okay, cmpunk comes back after ten years. Everybody

0:30:15.440 --> 0:30:19.800
<v Speaker 4>in that locker room has a different opinion. Why aren't

0:30:19.920 --> 0:30:25.440
<v Speaker 4>you putting the microphone in their face and saying, what

0:30:25.520 --> 0:30:30.840
<v Speaker 4>do you think as a shoot of cmpunk coming back

0:30:30.880 --> 0:30:35.080
<v Speaker 4>to the WWE and let the people tell the truth.

0:30:35.400 --> 0:30:41.240
<v Speaker 4>Why wouldn't you do that? That is such a missed opportunity. Then, Franccene,

0:30:41.760 --> 0:30:47.240
<v Speaker 4>based on the comments, now you roll with who said

0:30:47.240 --> 0:30:53.480
<v Speaker 4>what do you? But to totally ignore that is ridiculous.

0:30:54.000 --> 0:30:57.840
<v Speaker 1>But I feel like, if I'm in that locker room

0:30:58.240 --> 0:31:02.160
<v Speaker 1>and I have heat with Punk, I'm afraid to say

0:31:02.200 --> 0:31:05.080
<v Speaker 1>the truth because am I gonna get heat for it?

0:31:05.120 --> 0:31:06.640
<v Speaker 1>Is that going to cause me heat with the boys?

0:31:06.720 --> 0:31:09.960
<v Speaker 4>But not if that's what management is telling you to do.

0:31:10.400 --> 0:31:14.520
<v Speaker 4>If the if management the boys, No, it's not no,

0:31:14.560 --> 0:31:19.640
<v Speaker 4>it's not no, because because the smart boys, Francine and

0:31:19.720 --> 0:31:23.520
<v Speaker 4>you know all this, the smart boys will know that

0:31:23.560 --> 0:31:28.440
<v Speaker 4>they can make money with that. Oh they they know that, Bro.

0:31:28.560 --> 0:31:33.280
<v Speaker 4>And that's especially Punk Punk you use use Bro his

0:31:33.480 --> 0:31:37.440
<v Speaker 4>his his promo was horrific. The fact that you're telling

0:31:37.480 --> 0:31:40.560
<v Speaker 4>me I'm home after you got fired on your wedding day.

0:31:40.760 --> 0:31:43.360
<v Speaker 4>Give me a break, Bro, give me a break. They

0:31:43.480 --> 0:31:46.440
<v Speaker 4>fired your ass on your wedding day and I'm home,

0:31:46.720 --> 0:31:47.240
<v Speaker 4>I'm home.

0:31:47.440 --> 0:31:48.800
<v Speaker 1>What does he do different?

0:31:49.040 --> 0:31:51.520
<v Speaker 4>I read a little exactly what he said at the

0:31:51.640 --> 0:31:54.000
<v Speaker 4>end of the promo, which was off Cat, which was

0:31:54.040 --> 0:31:58.640
<v Speaker 4>off Mike. The last thing he said was I'm not defense,

0:31:58.680 --> 0:32:01.920
<v Speaker 4>I'm he gonna make money. That's the freaking promo. That's

0:32:02.000 --> 0:32:07.520
<v Speaker 4>the pro. So people do have a problem with ceem punk.

0:32:08.000 --> 0:32:11.760
<v Speaker 4>Seem punk is gonna make money with that problem. Seem

0:32:11.920 --> 0:32:18.200
<v Speaker 4>punk is a pro. But to totally ignore all of that.

0:32:18.200 --> 0:32:21.960
<v Speaker 4>That's why when Punk was on the show two weeks ago,

0:32:22.080 --> 0:32:25.120
<v Speaker 4>they did one point nine million. The following week we

0:32:25.200 --> 0:32:33.160
<v Speaker 4>lost four hundred thousand viewers, and you don't know why. Okay,

0:32:34.120 --> 0:32:41.080
<v Speaker 4>that's that's what I'm talking about, selling out, playing it safe, Mamby, Pamby,

0:32:41.440 --> 0:32:43.000
<v Speaker 4>That's what I'm talking about.

0:32:43.800 --> 0:32:46.360
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I feel like if I was in that locker room,

0:32:46.400 --> 0:32:48.320
<v Speaker 1>I would tell Punk, I'm just gonna say I hate you,

0:32:48.360 --> 0:32:51.320
<v Speaker 1>but I really love you, so I wouldn't get any

0:32:52.360 --> 0:32:54.080
<v Speaker 1>I don't won't heat with anyone.

0:32:54.240 --> 0:32:57.160
<v Speaker 4>I think. Man, if I am head writer, and I

0:32:57.240 --> 0:32:59.720
<v Speaker 4>know Vince would have done it back in the day, listen,

0:32:59.760 --> 0:33:04.800
<v Speaker 4>Frank see. You know it's back in the day when

0:33:04.960 --> 0:33:09.440
<v Speaker 4>the Montreal screwjob went down, and you know, Vince goes

0:33:09.480 --> 0:33:12.760
<v Speaker 4>into Brett's locker room. The next day, we're in the

0:33:12.840 --> 0:33:17.040
<v Speaker 4>production meeting and Vince has a black eye. So here,

0:33:17.160 --> 0:33:22.120
<v Speaker 4>here's who's in the meeting. It's me. It's Pritchard, it's Jr.

0:33:22.280 --> 0:33:28.080
<v Speaker 4>It's Pat it's Britto, like Kevin Dunn, maybe like six people.

0:33:29.280 --> 0:33:33.880
<v Speaker 4>So fen scene, I'm watching this, and every single person

0:33:34.040 --> 0:33:36.560
<v Speaker 4>in that room, you know, Vince, Vince is not talking,

0:33:36.680 --> 0:33:41.800
<v Speaker 4>Vince is listening. Every single person in that room wants

0:33:41.880 --> 0:33:46.240
<v Speaker 4>to sweep it under the rug like it never happened.

0:33:47.120 --> 0:33:50.040
<v Speaker 4>So I'm sitting there and I'm listening to all this.

0:33:51.000 --> 0:33:54.200
<v Speaker 4>And then after you hear what everybody had to say,

0:33:54.360 --> 0:33:59.240
<v Speaker 4>I said, are you effing nuts? This is a once

0:33:59.320 --> 0:34:05.160
<v Speaker 4>in a life time opportunity. Brett Hard punched Vince McMahon

0:34:05.440 --> 0:34:09.480
<v Speaker 4>in the face, and you're gonna sweep that under the

0:34:09.560 --> 0:34:13.000
<v Speaker 4>rug like it never happened. Nothing like this will probably

0:34:13.120 --> 0:34:15.839
<v Speaker 4>ever happen again in the history of this business. And

0:34:16.000 --> 0:34:20.120
<v Speaker 4>you are not going to take advantage of that. And

0:34:20.920 --> 0:34:25.280
<v Speaker 4>as I'm saying this, I'm looking at Vince, and I

0:34:25.320 --> 0:34:31.320
<v Speaker 4>know Vince's thinking he's one hundred percent right. We get

0:34:31.360 --> 0:34:35.359
<v Speaker 4>back to Stanford that week, and that's when Vince went

0:34:35.400 --> 0:34:39.280
<v Speaker 4>in the studio and cut the Vince McMahon didn't screw

0:34:39.360 --> 0:34:44.280
<v Speaker 4>Brett Hart. Brettheartscrewed Brett Hart. And that was the start

0:34:44.440 --> 0:34:48.880
<v Speaker 4>of the mister McMahon character. That would have never happened

0:34:48.920 --> 0:34:51.400
<v Speaker 4>if Vince Russo was not in the room. If Vince

0:34:51.480 --> 0:34:54.280
<v Speaker 4>Russo was not in the room, they would have swept

0:34:54.320 --> 0:34:56.680
<v Speaker 4>that all right under the rug, and you might not

0:34:56.880 --> 0:35:00.279
<v Speaker 4>ever even had a mister McMahon. And they're doing the

0:35:00.280 --> 0:35:03.279
<v Speaker 4>same thing today, but bringing back a guy like seeing

0:35:03.440 --> 0:35:08.800
<v Speaker 4>Punk who's got controversy out the wazoo everywhere he goes,

0:35:08.960 --> 0:35:13.280
<v Speaker 4>everybody he meets. And you're not gonna allow your roster

0:35:13.840 --> 0:35:18.160
<v Speaker 4>to give their real feelings about Punk and then work

0:35:18.400 --> 0:35:24.840
<v Speaker 4>that into programming content. You're fools, man, You're absolutely fools.

0:35:26.000 --> 0:35:31.520
<v Speaker 1>That's an interesting take, very interesting take. If I can

0:35:31.640 --> 0:35:34.280
<v Speaker 1>switch gears, do you have anything to add chat, because

0:35:34.280 --> 0:35:35.320
<v Speaker 1>I'm gonna switch gears for that?

0:35:35.440 --> 0:35:38.439
<v Speaker 2>I mean, what else can I say? I mean, it's

0:35:38.480 --> 0:35:41.319
<v Speaker 2>just I can't recognize any bit of what I watched.

0:35:41.360 --> 0:35:43.200
<v Speaker 2>I watched that whole raw, and I haven't watched the

0:35:43.320 --> 0:35:46.680
<v Speaker 2>raw in years, from start to finish. It's just because

0:35:46.680 --> 0:35:48.319
<v Speaker 2>I wanted to see what Punk had to say, and

0:35:48.360 --> 0:35:51.080
<v Speaker 2>I got suckered into three hours, and I said the

0:35:51.120 --> 0:35:53.480
<v Speaker 2>show should be two. If you had to, if you

0:35:53.520 --> 0:35:56.400
<v Speaker 2>had to write three hours of a raw in the heyday,

0:35:56.440 --> 0:35:58.759
<v Speaker 2>of ninety eight. I mean, wouldn't you have exhausted some

0:35:58.840 --> 0:36:01.080
<v Speaker 2>of your best ideas you had to stretch.

0:36:00.760 --> 0:36:03.360
<v Speaker 4>It another, Chad, I'll be honest with you.

0:36:03.440 --> 0:36:03.640
<v Speaker 2>Man.

0:36:03.719 --> 0:36:06.280
<v Speaker 4>When Ed and I went over to Nitro, the first

0:36:06.440 --> 0:36:08.440
<v Speaker 4>nine Nitros were three hours.

0:36:09.280 --> 0:36:09.480
<v Speaker 1>Bro.

0:36:09.600 --> 0:36:13.040
<v Speaker 4>With the roster we had, we had absolutely no problem,

0:36:13.480 --> 0:36:17.239
<v Speaker 4>absolutely no problem writing a three hour show. Bro. Here's

0:36:17.280 --> 0:36:20.480
<v Speaker 4>the problem. They don't have writers. They don't have writers.

0:36:20.520 --> 0:36:22.920
<v Speaker 4>They've got Paul haym they got the Haman's, and they

0:36:22.960 --> 0:36:25.239
<v Speaker 4>got the Pritchards, and they got the Michael Hayeses, and

0:36:25.280 --> 0:36:28.800
<v Speaker 4>they got all these people. These people are not writers.

0:36:28.880 --> 0:36:31.919
<v Speaker 4>They've never been writers. They've never been trained as a writer.

0:36:32.120 --> 0:36:34.920
<v Speaker 4>They don't have a degree in writing. Just because Triple

0:36:35.080 --> 0:36:38.560
<v Speaker 4>H won thirty five world titles doesn't make Triple H

0:36:38.680 --> 0:36:42.840
<v Speaker 4>a freaking writer, Chad. They did the same thing, Francine,

0:36:43.040 --> 0:36:49.160
<v Speaker 4>same thing. The day after Owen Hart dies. They want

0:36:49.200 --> 0:36:53.160
<v Speaker 4>to go on and shoot a row with no mention

0:36:53.400 --> 0:36:57.360
<v Speaker 4>of what happened the night before, no mention. We're gonna

0:36:57.360 --> 0:37:01.040
<v Speaker 4>put on a regular show. I went into a closed

0:37:01.040 --> 0:37:07.120
<v Speaker 4>door meeting with me, Vince McMahon and Kevin Dunn, and

0:37:07.160 --> 0:37:12.799
<v Speaker 4>I started emotionally breaking down and I basically, I not

0:37:12.960 --> 0:37:17.799
<v Speaker 4>basically I told them, if this show is not a

0:37:18.080 --> 0:37:22.720
<v Speaker 4>tribute to owen Hart, I am going home right now.

0:37:23.280 --> 0:37:27.759
<v Speaker 4>I'm going home right now, because if you're gonna have

0:37:27.800 --> 0:37:31.560
<v Speaker 4>a raw like nothing happened last night, I'm not gonna

0:37:31.560 --> 0:37:33.680
<v Speaker 4>be a part of that. And then what did they

0:37:33.880 --> 0:37:36.040
<v Speaker 4>what did they turn what did they turn the show into?

0:37:36.360 --> 0:37:39.040
<v Speaker 4>It was a memorial to owen Hart. But bro, that's

0:37:39.080 --> 0:37:42.600
<v Speaker 4>because I was there and and and and like, I

0:37:43.160 --> 0:37:45.719
<v Speaker 4>was the guy who was never in the bubble. I

0:37:45.920 --> 0:37:49.920
<v Speaker 4>was just a wrestling fan. I was a father, I

0:37:50.360 --> 0:37:53.680
<v Speaker 4>was a husband, I was a regular guy. So I

0:37:53.880 --> 0:37:58.200
<v Speaker 4>did not see things through their ridiculous bubble. And I

0:37:58.320 --> 0:38:01.600
<v Speaker 4>was the only one that said, I'm I'm literally leaving

0:38:01.920 --> 0:38:04.520
<v Speaker 4>right now if that's what this show is going to

0:38:04.560 --> 0:38:05.040
<v Speaker 4>be tonight.

0:38:05.760 --> 0:38:09.840
<v Speaker 1>So you're you're trying to say they wouldn't have even

0:38:10.040 --> 0:38:13.319
<v Speaker 1>acknowledged him down the line, you know, you don't think

0:38:14.160 --> 0:38:14.759
<v Speaker 1>owen Hart.

0:38:15.000 --> 0:38:16.879
<v Speaker 4>They would They would have, they would have. They would

0:38:16.920 --> 0:38:20.120
<v Speaker 4>have mentioned what happened last night and had about a

0:38:20.120 --> 0:38:22.359
<v Speaker 4>three minute package and that would have been the end

0:38:22.360 --> 0:38:24.960
<v Speaker 4>of it. That would have been the end of it. Yes, wow,

0:38:25.680 --> 0:38:31.600
<v Speaker 4>Yes that happened. That happened. I believe you believe what

0:38:31.600 --> 0:38:33.920
<v Speaker 4>I'm talking about. That that's that's what I mean about

0:38:33.920 --> 0:38:40.040
<v Speaker 4>the wrestling bubble. That's that's what I'm talking about. That

0:38:40.160 --> 0:38:43.880
<v Speaker 4>one I never heard because I've never really said that before.

0:38:44.440 --> 0:38:46.640
<v Speaker 4>That's exactly it was. It was just the three of

0:38:46.719 --> 0:38:48.359
<v Speaker 4>us in a room, just the three of.

0:38:48.360 --> 0:38:50.920
<v Speaker 2>Us, instead of it being this iconic show now that

0:38:50.960 --> 0:38:54.680
<v Speaker 2>we all remember and you know, just close your eyes

0:38:54.719 --> 0:38:59.200
<v Speaker 2>and see Austin, you know, saluting the tron and everybody's

0:38:59.239 --> 0:39:02.880
<v Speaker 2>emotional speeches. That's incredible that they would just bypass that

0:39:03.680 --> 0:39:05.720
<v Speaker 2>for the sake of matches on a show where people

0:39:05.719 --> 0:39:08.920
<v Speaker 2>were wrestling with bloodstains in the middle of a canvas.

0:39:09.040 --> 0:39:11.919
<v Speaker 4>Yeah. Like I said, Chad, the same exact thing when

0:39:11.960 --> 0:39:14.360
<v Speaker 4>Brett punch Vince and we're not going to talk about this,

0:39:15.080 --> 0:39:18.120
<v Speaker 4>they're still in the we're not going to talk about

0:39:18.160 --> 0:39:18.800
<v Speaker 4>this mode.

0:39:20.840 --> 0:39:25.879
<v Speaker 1>Unbelievable. Let me switch gears because I've always said I'm

0:39:25.880 --> 0:39:27.839
<v Speaker 1>not a big fan of Dark Side of the Ring

0:39:28.400 --> 0:39:33.560
<v Speaker 1>only because it's such a negative light shined upon pro wrestling,

0:39:33.880 --> 0:39:36.480
<v Speaker 1>and all of us that are in it are really proud.

0:39:36.200 --> 0:39:38.080
<v Speaker 3>Of what we've done and what we've accomplished.

0:39:38.560 --> 0:39:41.800
<v Speaker 1>If we weren't. We wouldn't be in this business. Honestly,

0:39:42.560 --> 0:39:46.040
<v Speaker 1>I watched an episode and forgive me, I can't remember

0:39:46.080 --> 0:39:50.040
<v Speaker 1>what the theme was, but it was centered around you,

0:39:50.960 --> 0:39:54.560
<v Speaker 1>and I never really saw you talk about it after

0:39:54.600 --> 0:39:55.160
<v Speaker 1>it aired.

0:39:55.880 --> 0:39:58.160
<v Speaker 3>What was your opinion of that dark side of the ring?

0:39:58.200 --> 0:40:01.480
<v Speaker 1>Do you know what I'm talking? Was it that or something?

0:40:01.880 --> 0:40:05.360
<v Speaker 4>I will tell you exactly. I'll tell you two thousand

0:40:05.560 --> 0:40:10.920
<v Speaker 4>I'll tell you exactly what happened. Okay. The first a

0:40:11.120 --> 0:40:15.160
<v Speaker 4>dark Side I did was about the Brawl for All Okay,

0:40:15.280 --> 0:40:19.560
<v Speaker 4>And when I made the decision to do that, I'm like, bro, like,

0:40:19.600 --> 0:40:22.680
<v Speaker 4>this is this is no big deal. This, This isn't

0:40:22.760 --> 0:40:26.760
<v Speaker 4>the plane ride from Hell, like, this is the Brawl

0:40:26.880 --> 0:40:30.000
<v Speaker 4>for All tournament? How how did this come about? There

0:40:30.120 --> 0:40:34.280
<v Speaker 4>was nothing scandalous about this nothing. So I'm like, okay,

0:40:34.480 --> 0:40:37.960
<v Speaker 4>I'll talk about the Bral for All. I'll take responsibility

0:40:38.000 --> 0:40:40.320
<v Speaker 4>for me pitching the idea of Vince and everything else.

0:40:40.800 --> 0:40:44.320
<v Speaker 4>So I thought it was no big deal. So I

0:40:44.840 --> 0:40:49.040
<v Speaker 4>agree to do the Bral for All episode. And during

0:40:49.239 --> 0:40:57.759
<v Speaker 4>that episode, the the producers of the episode, they decide

0:40:57.800 --> 0:41:00.239
<v Speaker 4>that they're going to turn it into Vince Room so

0:41:00.400 --> 0:41:05.920
<v Speaker 4>versus Jim Cornett Okay. So now I see that air

0:41:06.080 --> 0:41:10.120
<v Speaker 4>and I'm like, you freaking guys like Siri. I understand

0:41:10.160 --> 0:41:13.560
<v Speaker 4>TV's all about freaking ratings, but don't don't blindside me

0:41:13.719 --> 0:41:18.600
<v Speaker 4>like that. Okay, So Francine, fast forward two to three

0:41:18.719 --> 0:41:24.719
<v Speaker 4>years later, they call me again to do Bash at

0:41:24.760 --> 0:41:28.840
<v Speaker 4>the Beach. So first thing I said is, are you

0:41:28.880 --> 0:41:32.439
<v Speaker 4>guys freaking kidding me? I did the brawl for all

0:41:32.560 --> 0:41:34.920
<v Speaker 4>with you guys, and you guys turned it into a

0:41:35.000 --> 0:41:38.480
<v Speaker 4>Vince Russo Jim Cornett angle, which there is no angle.

0:41:38.880 --> 0:41:42.799
<v Speaker 4>I could give two shits about Jim Cornette. I am

0:41:42.960 --> 0:41:46.680
<v Speaker 4>so over and so past Jim Cornette. I could give

0:41:46.719 --> 0:41:49.840
<v Speaker 4>two shits. So I said, and you have the goal

0:41:50.960 --> 0:41:52.960
<v Speaker 4>to come back to me and ask me to do

0:41:53.000 --> 0:41:55.799
<v Speaker 4>this Bash of the beach. So Franccene right hand to god.

0:41:56.360 --> 0:41:59.480
<v Speaker 4>You know, I am a you know I've been podcasting

0:41:59.480 --> 0:42:02.000
<v Speaker 4>now for ten years. This is how I make my living.

0:42:02.120 --> 0:42:04.080
<v Speaker 4>I don't want to go back to any wrestling company.

0:42:04.120 --> 0:42:07.320
<v Speaker 4>That will never happen. So they basically said to me, Vince,

0:42:07.360 --> 0:42:10.440
<v Speaker 4>what will it take you to do the Bash at

0:42:10.480 --> 0:42:17.600
<v Speaker 4>the beach. Francine, I threw a ridiculous number at them,

0:42:17.760 --> 0:42:22.279
<v Speaker 4>ridiculous and they said, okay, we'll pay you that, and

0:42:22.320 --> 0:42:26.680
<v Speaker 4>I said, okay, I said I want that upfront, okay,

0:42:27.160 --> 0:42:30.920
<v Speaker 4>and and and they paid me that ridiculous amount. So

0:42:31.080 --> 0:42:34.680
<v Speaker 4>I did Bash at the Beach. But again, Francine, you

0:42:34.760 --> 0:42:39.200
<v Speaker 4>got to understand something for me. Anyway, when I go

0:42:39.320 --> 0:42:42.399
<v Speaker 4>into the when I go into like these dogs you know,

0:42:42.560 --> 0:42:46.399
<v Speaker 4>these dog side shows, my whole thing is I am

0:42:46.480 --> 0:42:50.000
<v Speaker 4>not going into I'm not burying anybody. I'm not burying.

0:42:50.560 --> 0:42:53.600
<v Speaker 4>You're gonna ask me what happened, and I'm going to

0:42:53.840 --> 0:42:57.919
<v Speaker 4>tell you what happened. I'm not gonna sit here and

0:42:58.080 --> 0:43:02.240
<v Speaker 4>bash anybody. And if you watch the Bash at the Beach,

0:43:02.520 --> 0:43:08.359
<v Speaker 4>you see Bischoff just I mean just absolutely burying. I

0:43:08.440 --> 0:43:11.200
<v Speaker 4>did not say one negative word about Eric Bischoff. I

0:43:11.239 --> 0:43:14.680
<v Speaker 4>did not say one negative word about Hulk Hogan. That's

0:43:14.840 --> 0:43:18.319
<v Speaker 4>not what I do. If you want to ask me

0:43:18.440 --> 0:43:22.120
<v Speaker 4>what happened, I'm going to tell you what happened. Whether

0:43:22.160 --> 0:43:24.239
<v Speaker 4>you want to believe that or not is up to you.

0:43:24.480 --> 0:43:27.239
<v Speaker 4>But you can watch me on those shows. I do

0:43:27.480 --> 0:43:30.600
<v Speaker 4>not talk negatively about anybody.

0:43:31.000 --> 0:43:33.960
<v Speaker 1>Well, you said that on the first one. They made

0:43:34.040 --> 0:43:37.520
<v Speaker 1>it you against Jim Cornett. On this one, it was

0:43:37.560 --> 0:43:41.200
<v Speaker 1>you against Eric Bischoff, And did you know that going

0:43:41.239 --> 0:43:43.799
<v Speaker 1>in that that was going to be the absolute absolutely?

0:43:43.920 --> 0:43:46.799
<v Speaker 4>But the money they paid me was ridiculous. Okay. So

0:43:46.920 --> 0:43:49.399
<v Speaker 4>I was like, guys, like I said, I am gonna

0:43:49.440 --> 0:43:51.840
<v Speaker 4>come here, I am. You're gonna ask me a question.

0:43:52.080 --> 0:43:54.560
<v Speaker 4>I'm gonna tell you the truth. I'm not interested in

0:43:54.680 --> 0:43:57.759
<v Speaker 4>burying Hulk or Eric, and I'm not gonna do that

0:43:58.320 --> 0:44:01.120
<v Speaker 4>from that point on, Yes, Francine, I knew they were

0:44:01.120 --> 0:44:04.000
<v Speaker 4>gonna do whatever they wanted with it. But like I said, man,

0:44:04.280 --> 0:44:06.960
<v Speaker 4>the money they paid me for it was ridiculous.

0:44:07.160 --> 0:44:09.600
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I'm sure. I just saw it, and I was

0:44:09.680 --> 0:44:15.120
<v Speaker 1>just I was interested in the concept, not really knowing

0:44:15.160 --> 0:44:18.759
<v Speaker 1>you that well. And never I met Eric bischoffl one time,

0:44:18.800 --> 0:44:21.080
<v Speaker 1>shook his hand and walked away. I've never met haw Coogan.

0:44:21.320 --> 0:44:24.800
<v Speaker 1>But you hear certain things and you never know what's

0:44:24.840 --> 0:44:26.080
<v Speaker 1>true what's not true.

0:44:26.160 --> 0:44:28.880
<v Speaker 4>Well, you know when I'm saying something, it's.

0:44:28.760 --> 0:44:30.480
<v Speaker 1>True, it's true. It's always true. Okay.

0:44:30.520 --> 0:44:36.840
<v Speaker 4>One thousand, I at almost sixty three years old, a

0:44:37.000 --> 0:44:42.440
<v Speaker 4>grandfather of two. There is nothing in this world I

0:44:42.440 --> 0:44:45.200
<v Speaker 4>would ever I have you really think I'm gonna lie

0:44:45.360 --> 0:44:49.279
<v Speaker 4>about wrestling shit? From thirty years ago. Like seriously, I'm

0:44:49.280 --> 0:44:52.640
<v Speaker 4>gonna lie about it, and I'll tell you, Francine, I

0:44:52.719 --> 0:44:55.319
<v Speaker 4>would never if it was you know, they they have

0:44:55.520 --> 0:45:00.279
<v Speaker 4>shows that are character assassinations on people. I wouldn't ever

0:45:00.400 --> 0:45:04.560
<v Speaker 4>do one of those shows. If if, if they're gonna

0:45:04.600 --> 0:45:08.799
<v Speaker 4>pay me money to bury somebody, I'm not gonna take

0:45:08.840 --> 0:45:11.680
<v Speaker 4>that money. I'm not gonna take that money. Like you know,

0:45:11.719 --> 0:45:14.600
<v Speaker 4>they did a show on Tammy. I'm not I'm not

0:45:14.680 --> 0:45:17.719
<v Speaker 4>gonna go on I mean that that that that poor

0:45:17.800 --> 0:45:20.839
<v Speaker 4>woman's had enough problems. I'm not gonna go on that

0:45:20.880 --> 0:45:24.120
<v Speaker 4>show and bury Tammy, no matter how much you pay me.

0:45:24.400 --> 0:45:27.040
<v Speaker 4>But if it's something like Vince, what happened at Bash

0:45:27.040 --> 0:45:29.400
<v Speaker 4>of the Beach, This is what happened at Bash of

0:45:29.440 --> 0:45:31.200
<v Speaker 4>the Beach. Whether you want to believe me or don't

0:45:31.200 --> 0:45:32.400
<v Speaker 4>believe me, I don't give a crap.

0:45:33.239 --> 0:45:36.040
<v Speaker 1>So I know you don't do conventions and stuff, But

0:45:36.080 --> 0:45:38.719
<v Speaker 1>if you did, are you the type of person that

0:45:38.760 --> 0:45:40.920
<v Speaker 1>would go and shake their hand or would you just

0:45:40.960 --> 0:45:41.600
<v Speaker 1>ignore them?

0:45:41.800 --> 0:45:42.560
<v Speaker 4>Shake Who's hand?

0:45:43.280 --> 0:45:44.640
<v Speaker 1>Shake like a Bischoff's hand?

0:45:45.640 --> 0:45:50.799
<v Speaker 4>Lancy, I I don't have a problem with anybody, with anybody.

0:45:50.880 --> 0:45:53.200
<v Speaker 4>You know how many times I've come on here and said,

0:45:53.480 --> 0:45:56.000
<v Speaker 4>I will do a face to face with Eric Bischoff,

0:45:56.200 --> 0:45:58.520
<v Speaker 4>I will do a face to face with Jim Cornett.

0:45:58.719 --> 0:46:01.200
<v Speaker 4>I will do a face to face with Dave Meltzer.

0:46:01.680 --> 0:46:05.160
<v Speaker 4>I don't have a problem with any of these people,

0:46:05.360 --> 0:46:08.200
<v Speaker 4>but for some reason, they don't want to do a

0:46:08.239 --> 0:46:11.600
<v Speaker 4>face to face with me. So you tell me why.

0:46:12.120 --> 0:46:16.040
<v Speaker 4>If I had anything to hide, I certainly would not

0:46:16.480 --> 0:46:20.040
<v Speaker 4>publicly put that out there. So when I publicly put

0:46:20.040 --> 0:46:24.040
<v Speaker 4>it out there and nobody accepts it, I gotta ask

0:46:24.120 --> 0:46:25.279
<v Speaker 4>myself why.

0:46:27.120 --> 0:46:30.279
<v Speaker 1>I think you're a good debater. Maybe they're scared. I

0:46:30.320 --> 0:46:30.640
<v Speaker 1>don't know.

0:46:31.080 --> 0:46:33.239
<v Speaker 4>It has nothing to do with with debating.

0:46:33.480 --> 0:46:35.240
<v Speaker 3>It has a debater.

0:46:35.680 --> 0:46:37.640
<v Speaker 4>It has to do with who's telling the truth and

0:46:37.680 --> 0:46:40.640
<v Speaker 4>who's lying. That's what. And it also has to do

0:46:40.719 --> 0:46:44.960
<v Speaker 4>with this friend scene. They're still playing their characters. Okay,

0:46:45.080 --> 0:46:48.919
<v Speaker 4>Eric Bischoff is playing Eric Bischoff on his podcast. Jim

0:46:49.000 --> 0:46:52.640
<v Speaker 4>Cornett is playing Jim Cornette on his podcast. So they're

0:46:52.760 --> 0:46:57.480
<v Speaker 4>saying a lot of things in character because their audience

0:46:57.560 --> 0:47:00.640
<v Speaker 4>can't tell what's fact and what's fiction. I don't play

0:47:00.680 --> 0:47:05.120
<v Speaker 4>my freaking character. I left my character in the ring

0:47:05.200 --> 0:47:08.840
<v Speaker 4>when I walked away from wrestling. I don't play character.

0:47:09.480 --> 0:47:12.359
<v Speaker 4>What I play is you ask me something, I'm gonna

0:47:12.360 --> 0:47:13.759
<v Speaker 4>tell you the freaking truth.

0:47:15.880 --> 0:47:18.480
<v Speaker 2>That goes back to what you said before about everybody

0:47:18.719 --> 0:47:21.640
<v Speaker 2>believes it is real. The comments that we get about

0:47:21.680 --> 0:47:26.080
<v Speaker 2>this show is everybody sees how real Francine is. There's

0:47:26.120 --> 0:47:29.719
<v Speaker 2>no characters to be found on these airwaves. Being a

0:47:29.760 --> 0:47:31.640
<v Speaker 2>part of the brand for the years that I was,

0:47:31.760 --> 0:47:33.959
<v Speaker 2>that's what I can say about listening to what you said,

0:47:34.000 --> 0:47:37.200
<v Speaker 2>there was no Vince Russo character. What you saw was

0:47:37.239 --> 0:47:40.200
<v Speaker 2>what you got every time you hear Bischoff. And I

0:47:40.280 --> 0:47:42.320
<v Speaker 2>was around Bischoff a lot, and I worked with Bischoff

0:47:42.320 --> 0:47:46.440
<v Speaker 2>on conventions and shows. He could turn on the character

0:47:46.640 --> 0:47:50.759
<v Speaker 2>and you got the nWo Eric Bischoff. You know, bad guy,

0:47:50.880 --> 0:47:53.040
<v Speaker 2>I'm cool, too cool for the room. You got that.

0:47:53.800 --> 0:47:57.040
<v Speaker 2>And that's what these podcasts have spawned is another group

0:47:57.080 --> 0:47:59.759
<v Speaker 2>of characters. And now the fans that also watch the

0:47:59.800 --> 0:48:03.080
<v Speaker 2>show and listen to the podcasts have become a part

0:48:03.120 --> 0:48:05.719
<v Speaker 2>of these worlds. So whereas the brand is like kind

0:48:05.719 --> 0:48:09.160
<v Speaker 2>of a family, these podcasts are just like the wrestling

0:48:09.160 --> 0:48:12.040
<v Speaker 2>crowds and they buy into these characters that now the

0:48:12.080 --> 0:48:14.440
<v Speaker 2>wrestlers have made on podcasts.

0:48:14.920 --> 0:48:18.000
<v Speaker 4>You know you know absolutely, Chad, because you know, Francine,

0:48:18.000 --> 0:48:21.799
<v Speaker 4>you had the list of these beefs, right, and why

0:48:21.840 --> 0:48:24.320
<v Speaker 4>I'm in all these things. Here's the perfect case scenario,

0:48:24.520 --> 0:48:29.200
<v Speaker 4>Chad of what we're talking about. I'm sitting here minding

0:48:29.239 --> 0:48:33.280
<v Speaker 4>my own business the other day and I come across

0:48:33.320 --> 0:48:39.680
<v Speaker 4>a story where it was a podcast and somebody asked

0:48:39.960 --> 0:48:43.959
<v Speaker 4>Jake Roberts about Vince Russo being in the Hall of Fame.

0:48:44.160 --> 0:48:49.360
<v Speaker 4>So my first question is, Guys, I worked with Jake

0:48:49.640 --> 0:48:54.160
<v Speaker 4>on maybe one, two or three occasions. Every time I

0:48:54.280 --> 0:48:58.160
<v Speaker 4>work with him, he was gone the next week because

0:48:58.520 --> 0:49:01.720
<v Speaker 4>either you know what Jake was dealing with at the time.

0:49:02.200 --> 0:49:04.720
<v Speaker 4>So every time I work with him, I turn around

0:49:04.760 --> 0:49:07.560
<v Speaker 4>and he would be gone because of something that he did.

0:49:08.120 --> 0:49:13.440
<v Speaker 4>So I worked with him very, very very rarely. So

0:49:13.600 --> 0:49:17.040
<v Speaker 4>now now the question comes on a podcast to Jake Robins,

0:49:17.040 --> 0:49:18.840
<v Speaker 4>what do you what would you think about Vince Russo

0:49:18.920 --> 0:49:22.080
<v Speaker 4>being in the Hall of Fame. So my first question is,

0:49:22.640 --> 0:49:26.600
<v Speaker 4>why are you bringing Vince Russo's name into an interview

0:49:26.840 --> 0:49:29.040
<v Speaker 4>with Jake Roberts when I had nothing to do with

0:49:29.080 --> 0:49:34.239
<v Speaker 4>the dude's career. Okay, So Jake Roberts turns around, laughs

0:49:34.320 --> 0:49:39.120
<v Speaker 4>and says, f no, my dead dog had better ideas

0:49:39.200 --> 0:49:43.440
<v Speaker 4>than Vince Russo, okay, bro, So what what? Why? Why

0:49:43.520 --> 0:49:46.960
<v Speaker 4>is Jake saying that when Bro I can go down

0:49:47.040 --> 0:49:50.279
<v Speaker 4>the list? Obviously I never had any kind of a

0:49:50.320 --> 0:49:54.160
<v Speaker 4>relationship with him. He has no idea who I am

0:49:54.239 --> 0:49:57.400
<v Speaker 4>as a human being. And oh, by the way, under

0:49:57.480 --> 0:50:01.799
<v Speaker 4>my thumb to wrestling companies had the best ratings they

0:50:01.840 --> 0:50:04.959
<v Speaker 4>ever had in their history. And I'm talking about WWE

0:50:05.080 --> 0:50:10.160
<v Speaker 4>and DNA that was drawing over two million people. So

0:50:10.480 --> 0:50:14.640
<v Speaker 4>it's real simple. Why is Jake saying that? Jake is

0:50:14.680 --> 0:50:18.680
<v Speaker 4>saying that because he knows that's what the interviewer wants

0:50:18.719 --> 0:50:23.040
<v Speaker 4>to hear. Jake wants to get over with the cool kids.

0:50:23.239 --> 0:50:25.799
<v Speaker 4>Oh man, look at Jake. Look at what Jake said

0:50:25.840 --> 0:50:29.080
<v Speaker 4>about ventures. That's why he's doing it. You think you

0:50:29.200 --> 0:50:33.440
<v Speaker 4>think Jake Roberts has any idea of what I booked

0:50:33.480 --> 0:50:36.319
<v Speaker 4>and what I didn't book What was my idea and

0:50:36.360 --> 0:50:41.480
<v Speaker 4>what wasn't my He has no freaking idea. What is

0:50:41.520 --> 0:50:44.160
<v Speaker 4>he trying to do. He's trying to get over with

0:50:44.200 --> 0:50:48.520
<v Speaker 4>the cool kids, that internet crowd, the wrestling marks. So

0:50:48.719 --> 0:50:51.120
<v Speaker 4>I understand that, and I get it, but I'll be

0:50:51.160 --> 0:50:53.799
<v Speaker 4>honest with you, Bro, the dude is older than me,

0:50:54.440 --> 0:50:57.279
<v Speaker 4>and it's like, you know, bro, if you if you

0:50:57.520 --> 0:51:00.799
<v Speaker 4>you really, you're gonna bury me who you don't even know.

0:51:01.239 --> 0:51:03.480
<v Speaker 4>You don't have any idea of what I booked and

0:51:03.520 --> 0:51:07.319
<v Speaker 4>what I didn't book to get over with the Mark crowd, Like, Bro,

0:51:07.400 --> 0:51:11.000
<v Speaker 4>you're gonna be doing this when you're seventy seventy five.

0:51:11.360 --> 0:51:14.120
<v Speaker 4>That's why, for instance, I don't rip people because if

0:51:14.160 --> 0:51:17.360
<v Speaker 4>you look in my response to Jake Roberts on Twitter,

0:51:17.880 --> 0:51:22.440
<v Speaker 4>what did I say? I said, Jake Roberts was probably

0:51:22.880 --> 0:51:28.280
<v Speaker 4>the most creative when it came to character and story

0:51:28.640 --> 0:51:31.520
<v Speaker 4>in the history of the business. So I'm not gonna

0:51:31.560 --> 0:51:35.239
<v Speaker 4>sit there and rip you because I know exactly what

0:51:35.280 --> 0:51:38.840
<v Speaker 4>you're trying to do. I think it's sad and pathetic,

0:51:39.160 --> 0:51:41.160
<v Speaker 4>but at the end of the day, I am going

0:51:41.239 --> 0:51:44.520
<v Speaker 4>to put you over because I don't have a problem

0:51:44.880 --> 0:51:47.399
<v Speaker 4>with you, Jake, So you could say whatever you want

0:51:47.440 --> 0:51:50.279
<v Speaker 4>about me, because I understand why you're saying it.

0:51:51.040 --> 0:51:54.000
<v Speaker 1>I feel like you're such a likable guy. I don't

0:51:54.160 --> 0:51:58.920
<v Speaker 1>understand like all of this negativity that comes towards you.

0:51:59.120 --> 0:52:03.759
<v Speaker 4>Because they're feeding into it. This is what this is

0:52:03.840 --> 0:52:09.400
<v Speaker 4>what today's wrestling marks the dirt sheet writers. This is

0:52:09.520 --> 0:52:11.960
<v Speaker 4>what they want. And what does Jake want to do

0:52:12.040 --> 0:52:14.239
<v Speaker 4>at the end of the day. Come on, Francine, let's

0:52:14.239 --> 0:52:17.200
<v Speaker 4>be honest. He wants to get over with aew because

0:52:17.239 --> 0:52:19.759
<v Speaker 4>maybe I even think he's working there now I know

0:52:19.840 --> 0:52:22.759
<v Speaker 4>he was, I don't know if he's on hiatus. He

0:52:22.880 --> 0:52:26.160
<v Speaker 4>wants to get in good favor with them, So how

0:52:26.160 --> 0:52:28.880
<v Speaker 4>do we do that. I'll just throw rocks and stones

0:52:28.920 --> 0:52:33.040
<v Speaker 4>at Vince Russo because that's what they like. And you know,

0:52:33.160 --> 0:52:36.080
<v Speaker 4>my thing is, bro Man, if you want to get

0:52:36.120 --> 0:52:39.719
<v Speaker 4>back into the business that badly, bro, say whatever you

0:52:39.760 --> 0:52:43.120
<v Speaker 4>want about me, Like, if it's that important to you

0:52:43.520 --> 0:52:47.000
<v Speaker 4>to get back into wrestling, throw me under the bus

0:52:47.000 --> 0:52:47.680
<v Speaker 4>all day long.

0:52:49.800 --> 0:52:50.520
<v Speaker 1>I don't get it.

0:52:50.560 --> 0:52:53.040
<v Speaker 2>I'm gonna ask Jake anything past nineteen eighty nine.

0:52:53.760 --> 0:52:57.480
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, well I think it's the point. Yeah.

0:52:57.560 --> 0:53:01.560
<v Speaker 1>I have one one final question for you, biggest misconception

0:53:02.200 --> 0:53:03.520
<v Speaker 1>about Vincero's.

0:53:03.239 --> 0:53:04.480
<v Speaker 2>Deep, very deep question.

0:53:07.960 --> 0:53:12.600
<v Speaker 4>God, that's it's so that's hard to say because like

0:53:12.680 --> 0:53:14.759
<v Speaker 4>I put it like, I put it all out there,

0:53:14.840 --> 0:53:17.480
<v Speaker 4>I don't I don't hold any punches, like.

0:53:21.160 --> 0:53:26.200
<v Speaker 1>I feel like you're not understood. You're very complex.

0:53:26.600 --> 0:53:33.040
<v Speaker 4>I don't Branstein I think I'm very, very simple, Okay, Vince.

0:53:33.440 --> 0:53:36.959
<v Speaker 4>Vince McMahon put me in a position. This is where

0:53:36.960 --> 0:53:40.760
<v Speaker 4>this all started. Vince McMahon put me in a position. Vince.

0:53:42.960 --> 0:53:46.239
<v Speaker 4>You have to get as many people to watch our

0:53:46.320 --> 0:53:50.560
<v Speaker 4>show as possible. You have two hours to do it. Okay,

0:53:50.840 --> 0:53:54.799
<v Speaker 4>that's it, period, Francine. I swear you Here's here's what

0:53:54.840 --> 0:53:59.480
<v Speaker 4>people don't understand. And Francine, I don't know about your background.

0:54:00.040 --> 0:54:02.520
<v Speaker 4>Here's people I don't understand. And if I hear this

0:54:02.600 --> 0:54:05.640
<v Speaker 4>story one more time, I swear to God, I'm gonna

0:54:05.680 --> 0:54:09.399
<v Speaker 4>puke in my own mouth. I had a dream. Oh,

0:54:09.640 --> 0:54:13.440
<v Speaker 4>when I was five years old, I dreamed of being

0:54:13.520 --> 0:54:17.960
<v Speaker 4>in the main event of WrestleMania. I had a dream, Francine.

0:54:18.600 --> 0:54:23.800
<v Speaker 4>When I was writing in the wrestling business for WWEWCW TNA,

0:54:23.920 --> 0:54:27.560
<v Speaker 4>it was not a dream. It was a job. It

0:54:27.640 --> 0:54:30.319
<v Speaker 4>was a It's no different than what I'm doing now.

0:54:30.400 --> 0:54:33.520
<v Speaker 4>It's no different than when I own video stores. It's

0:54:33.560 --> 0:54:37.080
<v Speaker 4>no different than when I worked for CBS Publishing. I

0:54:37.520 --> 0:54:41.919
<v Speaker 4>had a job. And no matter what job I'm in,

0:54:42.280 --> 0:54:44.840
<v Speaker 4>you're gonna get one hundred and ten percent from me,

0:54:45.040 --> 0:54:48.640
<v Speaker 4>and I'm gonna do the absolute best I can. So.

0:54:48.800 --> 0:54:52.520
<v Speaker 4>It wasn't a dream. I wasn't a mark for the business.

0:54:52.840 --> 0:54:56.880
<v Speaker 4>I wasn't so thankful to be there. I had a

0:54:57.080 --> 0:55:03.040
<v Speaker 4>job to support my family. And that's what's so hard

0:55:03.120 --> 0:55:07.680
<v Speaker 4>for people to freaking understand that, Like, I wouldn't have

0:55:08.000 --> 0:55:12.000
<v Speaker 4>killed for a job in the WWEE Francceine. I got

0:55:12.080 --> 0:55:15.960
<v Speaker 4>hired first as a freelance writer, and then from there

0:55:16.120 --> 0:55:20.279
<v Speaker 4>the editor got fired. I got the editor's job. Television

0:55:20.320 --> 0:55:24.160
<v Speaker 4>writing wasn't even on my radar. It's not something I

0:55:24.360 --> 0:55:28.279
<v Speaker 4>wanted to do. They were paying me sixty grand as

0:55:28.360 --> 0:55:31.600
<v Speaker 4>the editor of the magazine franccene I thought that was

0:55:31.680 --> 0:55:36.120
<v Speaker 4>all the money in the world. They moved me to Connecticut.

0:55:36.520 --> 0:55:38.839
<v Speaker 4>I was able, you know we're talking about now, Back

0:55:38.880 --> 0:55:42.680
<v Speaker 4>in ninety five, I was able to support my family

0:55:42.760 --> 0:55:47.840
<v Speaker 4>on sixty grand. I was made. I had no inspirations

0:55:47.880 --> 0:55:51.160
<v Speaker 4>of writing TV and being the head writer of Raw

0:55:51.480 --> 0:55:55.280
<v Speaker 4>and writing in limousines with Vince Ruth, with Vince McMahon.

0:55:55.400 --> 0:55:59.160
<v Speaker 4>You think any of that crap ever caught crossed my mind.

0:56:00.040 --> 0:56:03.920
<v Speaker 4>Shit happened because it was supposed to happen. Everything happens

0:56:03.960 --> 0:56:07.480
<v Speaker 4>for a reason. All that stuff was supposed to happen.

0:56:07.920 --> 0:56:11.959
<v Speaker 4>But people can't fathom this wasn't my dream. This isn't

0:56:12.000 --> 0:56:16.040
<v Speaker 4>what I lived for, paying dues and all that bullshit.

0:56:16.320 --> 0:56:18.400
<v Speaker 4>It's a freaking job, man.

0:56:19.719 --> 0:56:23.880
<v Speaker 1>Ninety nine percent of the boys in the business had

0:56:23.920 --> 0:56:28.520
<v Speaker 1>this dream they were two years old. Like I'm like you,

0:56:28.680 --> 0:56:31.600
<v Speaker 1>I kind of fell into it. I never I didn't

0:56:31.600 --> 0:56:33.960
<v Speaker 1>even like wrestling until I was nineteen years old. Like,

0:56:34.080 --> 0:56:35.920
<v Speaker 1>I didn't watch it my whole life. I wanted to

0:56:35.960 --> 0:56:39.279
<v Speaker 1>be a mother. I was playing with dolls, yes, when

0:56:39.320 --> 0:56:41.840
<v Speaker 1>I was, you know, ten years old, saying one of

0:56:41.880 --> 0:56:43.440
<v Speaker 1>these days, I'm going to be a mommy.

0:56:44.000 --> 0:56:45.200
<v Speaker 3>That was my dream.

0:56:45.280 --> 0:56:47.680
<v Speaker 4>That was my fau because you because you were normal.

0:56:48.080 --> 0:56:48.720
<v Speaker 4>You were normal.

0:56:48.920 --> 0:56:52.000
<v Speaker 1>I'm still say I'm one of the most normal people

0:56:52.080 --> 0:56:55.439
<v Speaker 1>that this business tried to corrupt but did it yep,

0:56:55.920 --> 0:56:59.640
<v Speaker 1>because there was so much temptation and it just wasn't

0:56:59.640 --> 0:57:03.719
<v Speaker 1>my pay Yep. You know, thank God. I thank God

0:57:03.760 --> 0:57:05.879
<v Speaker 1>every day for where I'm at and what I have,

0:57:06.080 --> 0:57:08.480
<v Speaker 1>and I am probably one of.

0:57:08.440 --> 0:57:11.800
<v Speaker 3>The more normal people. You know, we're all a little

0:57:11.960 --> 0:57:13.080
<v Speaker 3>little tiny.

0:57:12.760 --> 0:57:15.080
<v Speaker 4>Bit wacky, right of course, but.

0:57:15.200 --> 0:57:19.280
<v Speaker 1>There's way more wackier than I am, right, you know

0:57:19.320 --> 0:57:22.400
<v Speaker 1>what I mean? And like for the years. I want

0:57:22.600 --> 0:57:24.720
<v Speaker 1>Like I thought I was gonna be married at twenty

0:57:24.800 --> 0:57:27.320
<v Speaker 1>I wanted five kids, right, you know, I wanted this

0:57:27.880 --> 0:57:30.680
<v Speaker 1>nice house and I didn't get that. I didn't meet

0:57:30.720 --> 0:57:33.680
<v Speaker 1>my husband until thirty four. Now I have two beautiful children,

0:57:33.760 --> 0:57:35.760
<v Speaker 1>I have a great husband, I have a great home. Like,

0:57:36.280 --> 0:57:39.280
<v Speaker 1>this is what I dreamed of wrestling, right, I get

0:57:39.320 --> 0:57:40.200
<v Speaker 1>where you're coming from.

0:57:40.240 --> 0:57:43.400
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, I mean, I gotta. I got a degree in

0:57:43.520 --> 0:57:47.000
<v Speaker 4>journalism and I wanted to write. I got the job

0:57:47.080 --> 0:57:52.800
<v Speaker 4>as the editor of the WWF magazine. Oh great, this

0:57:52.880 --> 0:57:56.120
<v Speaker 4>is this is all that I wanted. But it's like

0:57:56.680 --> 0:58:02.120
<v Speaker 4>when this isn't when this isn't your life, like twenty

0:58:02.440 --> 0:58:07.280
<v Speaker 4>four seven, Like they've got a problem with that, and

0:58:07.320 --> 0:58:11.960
<v Speaker 4>I'm like, my god, this will always be a job

0:58:12.080 --> 0:58:12.280
<v Speaker 4>to me.

0:58:12.480 --> 0:58:17.480
<v Speaker 1>Man. Yeah, yeah, well I'm not kissing your ass because

0:58:17.800 --> 0:58:22.920
<v Speaker 1>you know, I like you. My favorite time was in

0:58:22.960 --> 0:58:26.240
<v Speaker 1>the nineties. Lots of the things that you wrote I

0:58:26.360 --> 0:58:30.360
<v Speaker 1>was very entertained with. I've said it how many times

0:58:30.720 --> 0:58:33.040
<v Speaker 1>I don't watch the current product. I watch it when

0:58:33.080 --> 0:58:35.520
<v Speaker 1>I need to. I watch clips of my friends, and

0:58:35.560 --> 0:58:37.840
<v Speaker 1>I watch things that we have to report on. But

0:58:37.960 --> 0:58:40.320
<v Speaker 1>I was a die hard fan. What drew me in

0:58:41.000 --> 0:58:43.560
<v Speaker 1>was most of the shows that you worked on. So

0:58:43.720 --> 0:58:46.360
<v Speaker 1>to me, that was when wrestling was at its peak

0:58:46.440 --> 0:58:49.400
<v Speaker 1>and it was very entertaining, and that's when I would

0:58:49.400 --> 0:58:52.880
<v Speaker 1>sit there for the three hours and enjoy the whole ride.

0:58:53.560 --> 0:58:57.200
<v Speaker 1>You know, now, I don't have the willpower to sit

0:58:57.280 --> 0:58:58.160
<v Speaker 1>for three hours.

0:58:58.320 --> 0:59:00.520
<v Speaker 4>Ye you know what it is, I swim to god.

0:59:00.720 --> 0:59:04.600
<v Speaker 4>It really dawned on me, I'd say about a couple

0:59:04.600 --> 0:59:08.080
<v Speaker 4>of weeks ago, and Francine, I swear to God, Chad,

0:59:08.840 --> 0:59:13.400
<v Speaker 4>if you start looking at it this way, it really

0:59:13.480 --> 0:59:20.440
<v Speaker 4>becomes much more understandable. Okay, And I've come to the conclusion. Listen,

0:59:20.560 --> 0:59:24.520
<v Speaker 4>I watched the shows and I rip the shows every week.

0:59:24.600 --> 0:59:27.080
<v Speaker 4>And here's why I ripped the shows because I say

0:59:27.120 --> 0:59:31.120
<v Speaker 4>to myself, bro, when that show is over, there is

0:59:31.160 --> 0:59:33.440
<v Speaker 4>no way in hell you can look in the mirror

0:59:33.560 --> 0:59:38.720
<v Speaker 4>and say I did the absolute best that I can.

0:59:39.480 --> 0:59:44.440
<v Speaker 4>It's lazy booking. Everything is drawn out. They're just trying

0:59:44.480 --> 0:59:47.760
<v Speaker 4>to fill three hours. But then I finally came to

0:59:47.800 --> 0:59:52.920
<v Speaker 4>the conclusion because I noticed, like Franccene, TRIPLEH was making

0:59:53.080 --> 0:59:58.920
<v Speaker 4>like just so there were so many mistakes that was

0:59:59.000 --> 1:00:05.360
<v Speaker 4>like wrestling one one, like so many just simple stupid mistakes,

1:00:05.720 --> 1:00:08.160
<v Speaker 4>and as a guy that worked with Triple H and

1:00:08.280 --> 1:00:11.080
<v Speaker 4>respect to Triple H. I'm sitting here and I'm saying, Bro,

1:00:11.240 --> 1:00:15.000
<v Speaker 4>this guy came from Killi Kowalski. He can't he Bro.

1:00:15.880 --> 1:00:18.720
<v Speaker 4>I can't sit here and say Triple H is an

1:00:18.720 --> 1:00:21.920
<v Speaker 4>idiot and doesn't know what he's doing. But there's no

1:00:22.040 --> 1:00:26.240
<v Speaker 4>other explanation because the things I'm talking about are elementary.

1:00:26.760 --> 1:00:31.000
<v Speaker 4>Then you know, as I'm pondering this, Fricine, I come

1:00:31.120 --> 1:00:37.200
<v Speaker 4>up with the answer. I think in twenty twenty three.

1:00:37.520 --> 1:00:43.040
<v Speaker 4>Right now, it's this simple. I think the WWE are

1:00:43.160 --> 1:00:50.680
<v Speaker 4>looking at themselves as strictly content creators, and it doesn't

1:00:50.800 --> 1:00:54.800
<v Speaker 4>matter if the content is good, if the content is bad,

1:00:55.200 --> 1:00:59.720
<v Speaker 4>if the content doesn't draw ratings, none of that matters.

1:01:00.440 --> 1:01:03.720
<v Speaker 4>Because now you know, with streaming services and you know

1:01:04.480 --> 1:01:07.200
<v Speaker 4>SmackDown was just picked up by USA and now they're

1:01:07.240 --> 1:01:13.000
<v Speaker 4>shopping raw. They are content creators. I don't think they

1:01:13.120 --> 1:01:17.960
<v Speaker 4>care about that content because come on, Francine, at ECW,

1:01:17.720 --> 1:01:22.240
<v Speaker 4>you are around some of the greatest talents in the

1:01:22.320 --> 1:01:26.480
<v Speaker 4>business that are still talked about today when you turn

1:01:26.600 --> 1:01:31.840
<v Speaker 4>on their show, I swear to you fifty percent of

1:01:31.840 --> 1:01:38.400
<v Speaker 4>that roster has no business being on television zero. You know,

1:01:38.560 --> 1:01:42.560
<v Speaker 4>they're never gonna get over. Nobody's ever gonna remember who

1:01:42.640 --> 1:01:47.080
<v Speaker 4>they are, so why are they there. They're there to

1:01:47.520 --> 1:01:52.720
<v Speaker 4>create content. That's all they care about. So when if

1:01:52.760 --> 1:01:55.600
<v Speaker 4>you can start looking at it through that as through

1:01:55.640 --> 1:02:00.400
<v Speaker 4>that aspect, it really explains why you're just not getting

1:02:00.440 --> 1:02:02.000
<v Speaker 4>good television shows anymore.

1:02:02.360 --> 1:02:05.680
<v Speaker 1>I love your honesty. That's that's the one thing I

1:02:06.120 --> 1:02:09.840
<v Speaker 1>admire about you, Vince. You're You're just honest to a fault.

1:02:10.000 --> 1:02:13.920
<v Speaker 1>And I appreciate you coming on and giving us your

1:02:14.560 --> 1:02:17.360
<v Speaker 1>two cents about the business these days because I appreciate it.

1:02:17.400 --> 1:02:19.960
<v Speaker 4>And you know, Francine, like I can talk for all

1:02:20.000 --> 1:02:22.520
<v Speaker 4>three of us. Here's the one thing that bothers me

1:02:22.600 --> 1:02:27.360
<v Speaker 4>about that concept, Francine. This is your show. Chad's producing

1:02:27.400 --> 1:02:31.080
<v Speaker 4>your show, he's your co host. This is my show,

1:02:31.240 --> 1:02:35.200
<v Speaker 4>this is my podcast. Listen, man, when my name is

1:02:35.280 --> 1:02:39.480
<v Speaker 4>attached to anything, I want it to be the best

1:02:39.480 --> 1:02:41.920
<v Speaker 4>it possibly can. I don't care if people love it

1:02:42.000 --> 1:02:43.840
<v Speaker 4>or hate it. I got to be able to look

1:02:43.840 --> 1:02:45.919
<v Speaker 4>at myself and say, Bro, you gave it, your role,

1:02:46.040 --> 1:02:48.760
<v Speaker 4>you did everything. So here's what I'm talking about, Francine.

1:02:49.720 --> 1:02:54.680
<v Speaker 4>One word pride. What's your freaking pride. I don't care

1:02:54.760 --> 1:02:58.560
<v Speaker 4>that your content creators, your name is on this? What

1:02:59.080 --> 1:03:03.360
<v Speaker 4>happened to your pride? Because I'm sure chat and Francing

1:03:03.560 --> 1:03:05.760
<v Speaker 4>you don't want to put anything out there that shit.

1:03:06.560 --> 1:03:08.959
<v Speaker 4>And I'm sure that if you thought it was shit,

1:03:09.240 --> 1:03:13.280
<v Speaker 4>you do it over. I've done that. I've recorded shows

1:03:13.320 --> 1:03:17.040
<v Speaker 4>on my own that I thought were shit that I've

1:03:17.120 --> 1:03:21.600
<v Speaker 4>done over. So like that. That's the one thing is like, bro,

1:03:22.440 --> 1:03:26.160
<v Speaker 4>whether your content creators or not, your name is on this,

1:03:27.320 --> 1:03:31.000
<v Speaker 4>where's your pride? That's all you have.

1:03:30.920 --> 1:03:33.600
<v Speaker 1>To end with that because we can't say no more.

1:03:33.960 --> 1:03:38.080
<v Speaker 1>They tell people where they can find you on social

1:03:38.120 --> 1:03:39.840
<v Speaker 1>media and what to sign up for.

1:03:40.200 --> 1:03:42.520
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, guys, I'm just I'm just going to tell you

1:03:42.600 --> 1:03:46.440
<v Speaker 4>one thing, man, because again, it's the holidays, Black Fridays,

1:03:46.520 --> 1:03:49.680
<v Speaker 4>every weekend, so we have a deal right now. If

1:03:49.720 --> 1:03:52.160
<v Speaker 4>you've never been a member of our Patreon, you could

1:03:52.160 --> 1:03:54.120
<v Speaker 4>see it right on the screen. Just go to patreon

1:03:54.160 --> 1:03:58.840
<v Speaker 4>dot com, forward slash russo TWC and sign up for

1:03:58.880 --> 1:03:59.760
<v Speaker 4>your free week.

1:04:00.240 --> 1:04:02.680
<v Speaker 1>I appreciate you so much, thank you for coming on.

1:04:02.720 --> 1:04:05.320
<v Speaker 1>I think you're a three timer now, Yeah, I think so.

1:04:06.800 --> 1:04:09.160
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, he came on once then he co hosted when

1:04:09.200 --> 1:04:12.320
<v Speaker 2>you were sitting and then this would be number three.

1:04:12.520 --> 1:04:14.640
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, you've done a lot of good business to get

1:04:14.680 --> 1:04:17.160
<v Speaker 1>It's always a pleasure speaking to you, sir. I have

1:04:17.240 --> 1:04:20.760
<v Speaker 1>the utmost respect for you, and uh, everybody go over

1:04:20.840 --> 1:04:23.400
<v Speaker 1>to the brand and sign up because this man knows

1:04:23.400 --> 1:04:24.160
<v Speaker 1>what he's talking.

1:04:23.920 --> 1:04:26.560
<v Speaker 2>About, and I will have their band give you my best.

1:04:27.640 --> 1:04:30.360
<v Speaker 1>Thank you so much for coming on. Merry Christmas, Happy New.

1:04:30.280 --> 1:04:32.760
<v Speaker 4>Year, and to thank you guys, have a great.

1:04:34.400 --> 1:04:34.840
<v Speaker 2>Take care.

1:04:36.360 --> 1:04:40.480
<v Speaker 1>He's look that that hour flew by, and there were

1:04:41.240 --> 1:04:47.320
<v Speaker 1>so many things that he touched base on that I

1:04:47.440 --> 1:04:49.800
<v Speaker 1>just feel like was groundbreaking.

1:04:50.560 --> 1:04:52.919
<v Speaker 2>Got Oh I got a big one.

1:04:53.560 --> 1:04:54.480
<v Speaker 1>You're marking it down.

1:04:54.600 --> 1:04:57.480
<v Speaker 2>Oh I got a big one I got We also

1:04:57.560 --> 1:04:59.360
<v Speaker 2>need a bro count, we need a bro counter.

1:04:59.520 --> 1:05:03.640
<v Speaker 1>Yes, But I've always you know, I always see people

1:05:03.720 --> 1:05:06.840
<v Speaker 1>pick at him, and I just always had the utmost

1:05:06.880 --> 1:05:09.240
<v Speaker 1>respect for Vints because he tells it like it is.

1:05:09.600 --> 1:05:11.640
<v Speaker 1>And again, you know they always say there's two sides

1:05:11.680 --> 1:05:15.320
<v Speaker 1>to every story, mine, yours and the truth. Right, he

1:05:15.440 --> 1:05:18.960
<v Speaker 1>just seems like he's just telling he doesn't care at

1:05:18.960 --> 1:05:20.960
<v Speaker 1>this point, Like he said, what's he gonna lie about

1:05:20.960 --> 1:05:24.080
<v Speaker 1>something that happened twenty thirty years ago, like, who cares?

1:05:24.360 --> 1:05:27.280
<v Speaker 1>You know, you give your side and that's that and

1:05:27.360 --> 1:05:31.439
<v Speaker 1>I respect that about him. He doesn't seem to care

1:05:31.480 --> 1:05:34.520
<v Speaker 1>if he pisses anybody off by it either, you know. No,

1:05:34.600 --> 1:05:37.520
<v Speaker 1>So he's very entertaining. To this day, he's.

1:05:37.400 --> 1:05:37.760
<v Speaker 4>Still on it.

1:05:37.840 --> 1:05:40.840
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I remember, you know, growing up, you heard the name.

1:05:41.400 --> 1:05:43.680
<v Speaker 2>You know, you heard he was Vic Venom who wrote

1:05:43.680 --> 1:05:45.960
<v Speaker 2>in the magazine. You know, when he was on TV

1:05:46.120 --> 1:05:50.040
<v Speaker 2>sometimes he did some commentary. You heard the first shoot

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<v Speaker 2>interviews by Cornett where he buried him, so you got

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<v Speaker 2>a perception of who he was, and then you heard

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<v Speaker 2>the jump to WCW. He became an on air character

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<v Speaker 2>and Bill this great heel persona that carried into what

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<v Speaker 2>the real guy was. And until you can find out

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<v Speaker 2>who the person is, people have still associated that perception

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<v Speaker 2>from the nineties to what he is today and I

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<v Speaker 2>can't fathom that now. Preparing for my first interview with

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<v Speaker 2>him in twenty sixteen, that's where I started to really

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<v Speaker 2>see who he was as a person and completely changed

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<v Speaker 2>what I thought because I was like, Wow, this is

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<v Speaker 2>a this is a completely different man.

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<v Speaker 1>He's such a nice man.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, he's a nice he's a family guy. I'm not

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<v Speaker 2>even talking about the faith stuff and his beliefs. He's

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<v Speaker 2>just a dedicated, hard working dude with a family who

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<v Speaker 2>was dedicated to his craft and he just wants to

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<v Speaker 2>put out a good product. And he's just been a

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<v Speaker 2>complete misunderstood person in terms of his job. Now the

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<v Speaker 2>heaves and stuff. I mean, it's easy to go after

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<v Speaker 2>that kind of personality. So I have no dog in

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<v Speaker 2>the fight as to who he's fighting with or whether

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<v Speaker 2>he's right or wrong, or they're right or wrong. But

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<v Speaker 2>it's it's.

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<v Speaker 1>Interesting to hear his side, and he's a pison, so

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<v Speaker 1>you know, I like that about him, and.

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<v Speaker 2>I've always said I think that's a lot to do

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<v Speaker 2>with the fact that he gets a lot of hate

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<v Speaker 2>as well.

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<v Speaker 1>Why because he's Italian.

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<v Speaker 2>Just the New York aspect of it, it's very misunderstood.

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<v Speaker 2>It can be taken the wrong way. Fish out of water.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm in Virginia, I'm from New Jersey. It's a fish

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<v Speaker 2>out of water. I can I get it.

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<v Speaker 1>I didn't do any preparing for this, Like every question

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<v Speaker 1>just popped in my head as we were speaking, and

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<v Speaker 1>I'm glad I thought about the dark dark side of

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<v Speaker 1>the Ring episode because like I said, as I was

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<v Speaker 1>watching that, I'm like, man, they are double teaming him

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<v Speaker 1>and just trying to destroy him, and that's what that

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<v Speaker 1>show does. Like he even said it, you know he

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<v Speaker 1>was blindsided the first time.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, but it was.

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<v Speaker 1>It's always interesting to get his take on things, so

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<v Speaker 1>I always appreciate him coming on. So that was a

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<v Speaker 1>very very good episode. I thought, they're all good on here.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, cizlin lit as the kids would say. But Chad,

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<v Speaker 1>what do you got going on? How can people follow

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<v Speaker 1>you on social media?

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<v Speaker 2>You can follow me on X on Twitter at Chad

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<v Speaker 2>but I'm sure there'll be more coming in the near future.

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<v Speaker 2>The year is almost over, and I think, like you

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<v Speaker 2>said earlier, twenty twenty four is going to be a

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<v Speaker 2>huge year for both of us.

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<v Speaker 1>The YouTube has blown up or one video is almost

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