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Speaker 1: francing and welcome to another episode of Eyes up Here

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Speaker 1: with Ran Scene on the iHeartRadio Network or wherever you

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Speaker 1: get your podcast, joining me as always because they can't

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Speaker 1: get rid of them with my co host Chad, don't

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Speaker 1: shake your head. You know it's true. Are you today,

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Speaker 1: my friends?

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Speaker 2: What can you say? I love being here and you

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Speaker 2: can't get rid of me if you try it.

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Speaker 1: I'm trying. It's not working. We're doing double duty today,

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Speaker 1: ladies and gentlemen, because next week I am I'm taking

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Speaker 1: the kiddies on a little baker if you will. My well,

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Speaker 1: my husband's going home to UH to visit his family.

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Speaker 1: He is going to a basketball reunion because he used

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Speaker 1: and I'm going to take the kids somewhere. I'm not

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Speaker 3: So I plan to drive eighteen miles an.

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Speaker 1: we're going to a nice resort and we're gonna eat

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Speaker 1: and swim and be merry for four days of our lives.

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Speaker 1: And it's gonna be fun. I think I just gotta

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Speaker 3: It's like, ah, I can breathe them, So yeah.

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Speaker 2: It'll be fun. Can I come.

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Speaker 1: Nobout, Absolutely not a man.

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Speaker 2: I have my bags packed and everything.

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Speaker 1: Oh too bad. You can bring your family and meet

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Speaker 2: Are you gonna be doing Christmas cards? While you're there.

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Speaker 1: No, I don't do Christmas card. You're lucky. If you

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Speaker 2: From me, I'll send my annual Christmas card.

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Speaker 1: I used to do the whole thing. Get the kids

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Speaker 1: I was just like, well, f this, I'm not doing

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Speaker 2: I don't know, send a nice handwritten one, you know,

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Speaker 2: then send you one every year?

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Speaker 1: And then my kids got big, and I was like,

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Speaker 1: You know, if you're my friend, I talk to you.

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Speaker 1: You either get a text or a phone call, depending

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Speaker 1: on where you rank in the Queen's world. And that's that. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: I mean your queen always looking down I mean.

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Speaker 1: But I'm booked in February, I'm booked I think three

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Speaker 3: I want twenty twenty four to be my year.

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Speaker 2: Year of the Queen. I can see it on the

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Speaker 1: That would be great. I just want to be busy.

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Speaker 1: and tell your friends. And you know, I want everything

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Speaker 2: It's time colamorating for the queen. Question, is this going

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Speaker 2: to be your thirtieth year to twenty twenty four?

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Speaker 1: Thirty?

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Speaker 1: Very good. I can't wait to collab and hear what

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Speaker 4: Bro, I don't know what happened. I swear I did

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Speaker 2: Bro, Vince, thanks for coming back box.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Vince, it's been a while. How First of all,

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Speaker 4: Thank you?

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Speaker 1: So do you seek refreshed and rejuvenated.

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Speaker 4: Just got out of a shower, ready to go. I'm

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Speaker 1: I can smell you. You look clean, smell clean.

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Speaker 4: I like that to be aquavelba, aquavelba, aqua velva. Is that?

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Speaker 1: Is that what men were these days?

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Speaker 4: I don't think I don't think you can get that anymore. Bro,

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Speaker 1: Man, Is that like old spice? Yeah?

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Speaker 4: Pretty much?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, pretty much. Well, you know the classics never dies.

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Speaker 4: Oh never, never, ever, ever, ever, Good for you.

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Speaker 1: Vince is associated with the brand. For those of you

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Speaker 1: who don't know, tell us how that's going. I want

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Speaker 4: Well, I want to tell you this real quick man.

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Speaker 4: We're doing a special right now. If you have never

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Speaker 4: tried out our Patreon, you can go over there right

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Speaker 3: And what what talent do you have with you right now?

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Speaker 4: Because it's been yeah, right now. I always forget somebody.

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Speaker 4: Of course, I've got Stevie Richards, Stevie Richards, the Great Benjamin,

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Speaker 4: But she's she's not on no more. We Yeah, we

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I love it. So I I want to ask

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Speaker 1: What's with all the feuds you're feuding? I saw, I

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Speaker 4: No. For first of all, I don't I don't know.

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Speaker 4: I don't know. I don't know him as Sean Ross Sap.

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Speaker 4: He doesn't. He's not worthy of the middle name. So

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Speaker 4: that's fine. But I don't know any Seawn Ross SAPs.

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Speaker 4: I just know a Sewan Sap.

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Speaker 1: Okay, well, whoever you know. I met him once. I

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Speaker 4: Yeah, very very nice.

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Speaker 4: Okay, let me tell you how lovely he is, fran Scene.

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Speaker 4: He's so lovely, and how this whole thing started. This

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Speaker 4: slap saying, Vince, I just want you to know what

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Speaker 4: that's how wonderful sewn Ross Sap is. So the bottom

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Speaker 4: with me? Fine, bro, like let's go. Let's see how

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Speaker 4: h is and Francine you will agree to this, and

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Speaker 4: with It's a different time. Wrestling is evolving, Bro. Wrestling

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Speaker 4: You have a match. The idea of the match is

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Speaker 4: for a hundred years. Wrestling has not evolved. So stop

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Speaker 4: sold out. They sold out, bro. Bottom line, they got

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Speaker 4: to the point. We're gonna be politically correct. We're not

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Speaker 4: We're not gonna be dangerous anymore. We're gonna put on

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Speaker 4: Manby Pamby Programming and Francine, that's fine. A lot of

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Speaker 4: You know they adapted to the times by selling out,

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Speaker 4: by not doing anything that's gonna possibly offend anybody. Listen, Fretzine,

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Speaker 4: Professional wrestling was never meant to not, you know, get

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Speaker 3: Okay, uh, tell me about you and Baba.

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Speaker 1: What do you mean the missed?

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Speaker 4: Oh god, this is good.

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Speaker 3: I'm pulling up things that have caused a star one x.

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Speaker 4: Well, you know, according to Sean's sap uh, here's a

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Speaker 1: To get a job with.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, well, not not only that. Here's what cracks me up.

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Speaker 4: Here's what cracks me up. Raw drew a million and

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Speaker 4: Wrestling hasn't been relevant four years. So if I was

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Speaker 4: I watch these shows, Francine, only because I get paid

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Speaker 4: I stop watching. It's that simple. But I am watching.

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Speaker 4: I'm watching this, Okay. First of all, I got to

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Speaker 4: So I'm watching Cody Rhodes come out and explain how

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Speaker 4: I'm thinking he's got cancasaurs. I'm thinking he can't breathe.

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Speaker 4: I'm thinking his his, his, his, his, Larnix is closing up.

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Speaker 4: can you imagine getting chlorox in your eyes or you know,

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Speaker 4: week later, and we're both perfectly fine. To me, that's

436
00:23:46,359 --> 00:23:50,800
Speaker 4: what casual fans laugh at and the reason why you

437
00:23:50,880 --> 00:23:54,600
Speaker 4: still get crap today, Francine. I'm not telling you anything.

438
00:23:54,680 --> 00:23:58,640
Speaker 4: You don't know. You've got the wrestling bubble and they

439
00:23:58,760 --> 00:24:02,000
Speaker 4: all live in the resting bubble. They don't have a

440
00:24:02,119 --> 00:24:05,639
Speaker 4: clue of what's going on on the outside world. You

441
00:24:05,800 --> 00:24:09,600
Speaker 4: got people in there, bro that through politics have been

442
00:24:09,720 --> 00:24:14,320
Speaker 4: holding their spots forever. When when when the world passed

443
00:24:14,320 --> 00:24:17,560
Speaker 4: them by a long time ago? So when when I

444
00:24:17,600 --> 00:24:23,240
Speaker 4: when I hear of a poison missed, people are laughing

445
00:24:23,480 --> 00:24:27,480
Speaker 4: at that. And and you know what, Bubba can say

446
00:24:27,520 --> 00:24:32,080
Speaker 4: whatever Bubba wants to say. Back in the day of Muda,

447
00:24:32,280 --> 00:24:36,359
Speaker 4: nobody ever said it was poison. Nobody. Poison is a

448
00:24:36,359 --> 00:24:38,280
Speaker 4: whole different category. Fran scene.

449
00:24:38,400 --> 00:24:40,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm trying to think because I I've taken that

450
00:24:40,880 --> 00:24:42,600
Speaker 1: from to Jerry to Jerry used to you?

451
00:24:42,880 --> 00:24:43,480
Speaker 4: Was it poison?

452
00:24:44,280 --> 00:24:45,840
Speaker 3: You know it was green mist?

453
00:24:46,160 --> 00:24:47,720
Speaker 4: Was it poison? Was poison?

454
00:24:48,240 --> 00:24:51,600
Speaker 1: Poison? I've taken it a couple of times and I

455
00:24:51,680 --> 00:24:53,800
Speaker 1: know it went into every orifice of my body.

456
00:24:53,920 --> 00:24:54,840
Speaker 4: Is it poison? Though?

457
00:24:55,240 --> 00:24:58,120
Speaker 3: You know, I can't remember if it was poisoned?

458
00:24:58,359 --> 00:25:01,240
Speaker 4: Just skin boiled? Did did you you're all boys boil?

459
00:25:01,440 --> 00:25:03,640
Speaker 1: I did come to work the next week? What would

460
00:25:03,720 --> 00:25:06,359
Speaker 1: you call it? If you had to rename this mist?

461
00:25:06,440 --> 00:25:10,119
Speaker 4: Well, miss miss we don't know what's in the mist. Okay,

462
00:25:10,160 --> 00:25:12,480
Speaker 4: it's something temporary, blinding minding.

463
00:25:12,560 --> 00:25:14,160
Speaker 2: It's a blinding miss.

464
00:25:13,920 --> 00:25:18,520
Speaker 4: Yes, blinding miss thank you Jazz. Poison like poison, Bro,

465
00:25:19,000 --> 00:25:25,280
Speaker 4: I'm actually gonna put poison in my mouth, Brom, I'm sorry.

466
00:25:25,680 --> 00:25:28,600
Speaker 4: These are the things you have to look at because

467
00:25:28,640 --> 00:25:34,080
Speaker 4: it's twoenty twenty three, it's not nineteen seventy three. These

468
00:25:34,119 --> 00:25:36,480
Speaker 4: are the things you have to look at.

469
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Speaker 1: I'm reading because I love to read comments. Anyone that

470
00:25:41,800 --> 00:25:44,879
Speaker 1: I follow I read comments. I like to see what

471
00:25:44,960 --> 00:25:49,800
Speaker 1: fans are saying about things. People are still blaming you.

472
00:25:50,480 --> 00:25:52,920
Speaker 1: And we've talked about this before. Now we're on iHeart,

473
00:25:52,920 --> 00:25:55,520
Speaker 1: so we have a new audience that's listening. So I'm

474
00:25:55,520 --> 00:25:58,720
Speaker 1: gonna say it again. People are still blaming you for

475
00:25:58,880 --> 00:26:05,160
Speaker 1: like downfalls of companies coming up with ridiculous angles, things

476
00:26:05,240 --> 00:26:07,560
Speaker 1: that you said you weren't even a part of, and

477
00:26:08,080 --> 00:26:11,199
Speaker 1: fans just seem to love to pick at you and

478
00:26:11,440 --> 00:26:15,600
Speaker 1: argue with you constantly. Like the thing that I want

479
00:26:15,680 --> 00:26:18,000
Speaker 1: to know is how are you not losing your mind?

480
00:26:18,240 --> 00:26:21,240
Speaker 4: Because well, for first of all, a couple of reasons.

481
00:26:21,240 --> 00:26:24,720
Speaker 4: First of all, I never read comments, and second of.

482
00:26:24,760 --> 00:26:27,800
Speaker 3: All of them, so you do read comments because no,

483
00:26:28,000 --> 00:26:28,320
Speaker 3: I don't.

484
00:26:28,359 --> 00:26:29,639
Speaker 4: I don't. I don't read the comments.

485
00:26:29,720 --> 00:26:32,040
Speaker 1: I'll on you respond to comments if you don't.

486
00:26:32,160 --> 00:26:33,880
Speaker 4: If you don't, I don't respond to comments.

487
00:26:34,000 --> 00:26:35,040
Speaker 1: I've seen you respond.

488
00:26:35,119 --> 00:26:39,280
Speaker 4: I don't. Francene, I don't unless it's a bubba. Francine,

489
00:26:39,320 --> 00:26:42,200
Speaker 4: I don't. I mean, I'm telling you, I don't. I

490
00:26:42,600 --> 00:26:44,840
Speaker 4: do you know? On my you I did a video

491
00:26:44,920 --> 00:26:48,160
Speaker 4: yesterday on YouTube that said five thousand views. I don't

492
00:26:48,200 --> 00:26:51,920
Speaker 4: look at those comments. I will, I will see comments

493
00:26:52,000 --> 00:26:52,760
Speaker 4: on Twitter.

494
00:26:53,160 --> 00:26:54,439
Speaker 1: Yes, that's what I'm referring to.

495
00:26:54,600 --> 00:26:57,840
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, No, I only unless it's a bubba, or

496
00:26:57,920 --> 00:27:01,639
Speaker 4: unless it's somebody in the industry or the business. My

497
00:27:01,880 --> 00:27:05,800
Speaker 4: comments are very few and far between, very cool, and

498
00:27:05,880 --> 00:27:11,320
Speaker 4: because here's the reason. It's real simple. My brand of

499
00:27:11,400 --> 00:27:16,760
Speaker 4: television was entertainment. All of these people commenting want believe

500
00:27:16,960 --> 00:27:21,280
Speaker 4: wrestling is real. They think it's real. They've convinced themselves

501
00:27:21,359 --> 00:27:25,800
Speaker 4: it's real. They want twenty thirty minute wrestling matches. They

502
00:27:25,840 --> 00:27:30,040
Speaker 4: want to put stars to those wrestling matches. And that's

503
00:27:30,119 --> 00:27:34,840
Speaker 4: not how I wrote TV. And oh my god, surprise, surprise, surprise.

504
00:27:35,200 --> 00:27:38,679
Speaker 4: The television I wrote had the highest ratings in the

505
00:27:38,760 --> 00:27:42,760
Speaker 4: history of wrestling. Why not because I was a genius

506
00:27:42,800 --> 00:27:47,520
Speaker 4: friend scene, because I opened it up to everybody through

507
00:27:47,920 --> 00:27:53,879
Speaker 4: entertainment in wrestling today, if you're not a fan of

508
00:27:53,920 --> 00:27:59,639
Speaker 4: the wrestling, you're not watching. It's that simple. So you know,

509
00:27:59,800 --> 00:28:03,080
Speaker 4: I I opened it up to everybody. You didn't have

510
00:28:03,240 --> 00:28:07,560
Speaker 4: to be a fan of the actual wrestling. And that's

511
00:28:07,840 --> 00:28:11,639
Speaker 4: that's what the marks didn't like. So it's it's real.

512
00:28:11,840 --> 00:28:15,760
Speaker 4: It's real simple. And that's why I don't look at

513
00:28:15,800 --> 00:28:18,560
Speaker 4: comments and I don't answer comments because I know they're

514
00:28:18,600 --> 00:28:20,159
Speaker 4: they're ridiculous mindset.

515
00:28:20,800 --> 00:28:24,639
Speaker 1: Storylines to me are very important, very important. If a

516
00:28:24,720 --> 00:28:28,119
Speaker 1: story doesn't draw me in, I can't waste thirty minutes

517
00:28:28,119 --> 00:28:31,760
Speaker 1: of my time, even if the guys are great workers.

518
00:28:31,000 --> 00:28:35,320
Speaker 1: I need something to invest in, yes, and to bring

519
00:28:35,359 --> 00:28:37,879
Speaker 1: me back every week. So I one hundred percent agree

520
00:28:37,920 --> 00:28:40,920
Speaker 1: with what you're saying, and I feel like you excelled

521
00:28:41,000 --> 00:28:44,280
Speaker 1: at that story telling aspect of the.

522
00:28:44,280 --> 00:28:49,560
Speaker 4: Business because that's what your casual fan, your casual television

523
00:28:49,920 --> 00:28:54,719
Speaker 4: television audience wants, That's what they want. That's why you

524
00:28:54,840 --> 00:28:59,360
Speaker 4: are drawing a one point five million people. They're not

525
00:28:59,840 --> 00:29:05,280
Speaker 4: in tristed in twenty minute wrestling matches, right, what would you.

526
00:29:05,440 --> 00:29:11,000
Speaker 1: Do, either with WWE or AEW to change if they

527
00:29:11,080 --> 00:29:12,880
Speaker 1: hired you and I know you're not interested.

528
00:29:13,320 --> 00:29:15,120
Speaker 4: I'm not interested. It's never been happen.

529
00:29:15,600 --> 00:29:18,960
Speaker 1: You're not interested. But with you all of your expertise,

530
00:29:19,120 --> 00:29:20,880
Speaker 1: because you have been in the business for a very

531
00:29:20,920 --> 00:29:24,920
Speaker 1: long time, what would you do to poperating these things?

532
00:29:24,960 --> 00:29:28,840
Speaker 4: Francine, It's real simple, and it's the same thing I

533
00:29:28,920 --> 00:29:32,960
Speaker 4: told Vince McMahon in nineteen ninety six when they were

534
00:29:33,040 --> 00:29:37,160
Speaker 4: doing Mantar and TL Hopper and the Goon and all

535
00:29:37,240 --> 00:29:43,360
Speaker 4: this ridiculous crap. I told Vince McMahon in nineteen ninety six, Vince,

536
00:29:43,680 --> 00:29:49,160
Speaker 4: this product needs to mirror society. What that means is,

537
00:29:49,440 --> 00:29:58,160
Speaker 4: it's real simple, franccene. Realism, realism, make it real and work,

538
00:29:58,480 --> 00:30:02,880
Speaker 4: work the shoot, work the shoot, not not poison mist

539
00:30:03,040 --> 00:30:08,440
Speaker 4: in the eyes. I'm talking about reality. Franccene. Here's a

540
00:30:08,480 --> 00:30:15,280
Speaker 4: perfect example. Okay, cmpunk comes back after ten years. Everybody

541
00:30:15,440 --> 00:30:19,800
Speaker 4: in that locker room has a different opinion. Why aren't

542
00:30:19,920 --> 00:30:25,440
Speaker 4: you putting the microphone in their face and saying, what

543
00:30:25,520 --> 00:30:30,840
Speaker 4: do you think as a shoot of cmpunk coming back

544
00:30:30,880 --> 00:30:35,080
Speaker 4: to the WWE and let the people tell the truth.

545
00:30:35,400 --> 00:30:41,240
Speaker 4: Why wouldn't you do that? That is such a missed opportunity. Then, Franccene,

546
00:30:41,760 --> 00:30:47,240
Speaker 4: based on the comments, now you roll with who said

547
00:30:47,240 --> 00:30:53,480
Speaker 4: what do you? But to totally ignore that is ridiculous.

548
00:30:54,000 --> 00:30:57,840
Speaker 1: But I feel like, if I'm in that locker room

549
00:30:58,240 --> 00:31:02,160
Speaker 1: and I have heat with Punk, I'm afraid to say

550
00:31:02,200 --> 00:31:05,080
Speaker 1: the truth because am I gonna get heat for it?

551
00:31:05,120 --> 00:31:06,640
Speaker 1: Is that going to cause me heat with the boys?

552
00:31:06,720 --> 00:31:09,960
Speaker 4: But not if that's what management is telling you to do.

553
00:31:10,400 --> 00:31:14,520
Speaker 4: If the if management the boys, No, it's not no,

554
00:31:14,560 --> 00:31:19,640
Speaker 4: it's not no, because because the smart boys, Francine and

555
00:31:19,720 --> 00:31:23,520
Speaker 4: you know all this, the smart boys will know that

556
00:31:23,560 --> 00:31:28,440
Speaker 4: they can make money with that. Oh they they know that, Bro.

557
00:31:28,560 --> 00:31:33,280
Speaker 4: And that's especially Punk Punk you use use Bro his

558
00:31:33,480 --> 00:31:37,440
Speaker 4: his his promo was horrific. The fact that you're telling

559
00:31:37,480 --> 00:31:40,560
Speaker 4: me I'm home after you got fired on your wedding day.

560
00:31:40,760 --> 00:31:43,360
Speaker 4: Give me a break, Bro, give me a break. They

561
00:31:43,480 --> 00:31:46,440
Speaker 4: fired your ass on your wedding day and I'm home,

562
00:31:46,720 --> 00:31:47,240
Speaker 4: I'm home.

563
00:31:47,440 --> 00:31:48,800
Speaker 1: What does he do different?

564
00:31:49,040 --> 00:31:51,520
Speaker 4: I read a little exactly what he said at the

565
00:31:51,640 --> 00:31:54,000
Speaker 4: end of the promo, which was off Cat, which was

566
00:31:54,040 --> 00:31:58,640
Speaker 4: off Mike. The last thing he said was I'm not defense,

567
00:31:58,680 --> 00:32:01,920
Speaker 4: I'm he gonna make money. That's the freaking promo. That's

568
00:32:02,000 --> 00:32:07,520
Speaker 4: the pro. So people do have a problem with ceem punk.

569
00:32:08,000 --> 00:32:11,760
Speaker 4: Seem punk is gonna make money with that problem. Seem

570
00:32:11,920 --> 00:32:18,200
Speaker 4: punk is a pro. But to totally ignore all of that.

571
00:32:18,200 --> 00:32:21,960
Speaker 4: That's why when Punk was on the show two weeks ago,

572
00:32:22,080 --> 00:32:25,120
Speaker 4: they did one point nine million. The following week we

573
00:32:25,200 --> 00:32:33,160
Speaker 4: lost four hundred thousand viewers, and you don't know why. Okay,

574
00:32:34,120 --> 00:32:41,080
Speaker 4: that's that's what I'm talking about, selling out, playing it safe, Mamby, Pamby,

575
00:32:41,440 --> 00:32:43,000
Speaker 4: That's what I'm talking about.

576
00:32:43,800 --> 00:32:46,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, I feel like if I was in that locker room,

577
00:32:46,400 --> 00:32:48,320
Speaker 1: I would tell Punk, I'm just gonna say I hate you,

578
00:32:48,360 --> 00:32:51,320
Speaker 1: but I really love you, so I wouldn't get any

579
00:32:52,360 --> 00:32:54,080
Speaker 1: I don't won't heat with anyone.

580
00:32:54,240 --> 00:32:57,160
Speaker 4: I think. Man, if I am head writer, and I

581
00:32:57,240 --> 00:32:59,720
Speaker 4: know Vince would have done it back in the day, listen,

582
00:32:59,760 --> 00:33:04,800
Speaker 4: Frank see. You know it's back in the day when

583
00:33:04,960 --> 00:33:09,440
Speaker 4: the Montreal screwjob went down, and you know, Vince goes

584
00:33:09,480 --> 00:33:12,760
Speaker 4: into Brett's locker room. The next day, we're in the

585
00:33:12,840 --> 00:33:17,040
Speaker 4: production meeting and Vince has a black eye. So here,

586
00:33:17,160 --> 00:33:22,120
Speaker 4: here's who's in the meeting. It's me. It's Pritchard, it's Jr.

587
00:33:22,280 --> 00:33:28,080
Speaker 4: It's Pat it's Britto, like Kevin Dunn, maybe like six people.

588
00:33:29,280 --> 00:33:33,880
Speaker 4: So fen scene, I'm watching this, and every single person

589
00:33:34,040 --> 00:33:36,560
Speaker 4: in that room, you know, Vince, Vince is not talking,

590
00:33:36,680 --> 00:33:41,800
Speaker 4: Vince is listening. Every single person in that room wants

591
00:33:41,880 --> 00:33:46,240
Speaker 4: to sweep it under the rug like it never happened.

592
00:33:47,120 --> 00:33:50,040
Speaker 4: So I'm sitting there and I'm listening to all this.

593
00:33:51,000 --> 00:33:54,200
Speaker 4: And then after you hear what everybody had to say,

594
00:33:54,360 --> 00:33:59,240
Speaker 4: I said, are you effing nuts? This is a once

595
00:33:59,320 --> 00:34:05,160
Speaker 4: in a life time opportunity. Brett Hard punched Vince McMahon

596
00:34:05,440 --> 00:34:09,480
Speaker 4: in the face, and you're gonna sweep that under the

597
00:34:09,560 --> 00:34:13,000
Speaker 4: rug like it never happened. Nothing like this will probably

598
00:34:13,120 --> 00:34:15,839
Speaker 4: ever happen again in the history of this business. And

599
00:34:16,000 --> 00:34:20,120
Speaker 4: you are not going to take advantage of that. And

600
00:34:20,920 --> 00:34:25,280
Speaker 4: as I'm saying this, I'm looking at Vince, and I

601
00:34:25,320 --> 00:34:31,320
Speaker 4: know Vince's thinking he's one hundred percent right. We get

602
00:34:31,360 --> 00:34:35,359
Speaker 4: back to Stanford that week, and that's when Vince went

603
00:34:35,400 --> 00:34:39,280
Speaker 4: in the studio and cut the Vince McMahon didn't screw

604
00:34:39,360 --> 00:34:44,280
Speaker 4: Brett Hart. Brettheartscrewed Brett Hart. And that was the start

605
00:34:44,440 --> 00:34:48,880
Speaker 4: of the mister McMahon character. That would have never happened

606
00:34:48,920 --> 00:34:51,400
Speaker 4: if Vince Russo was not in the room. If Vince

607
00:34:51,480 --> 00:34:54,280
Speaker 4: Russo was not in the room, they would have swept

608
00:34:54,320 --> 00:34:56,680
Speaker 4: that all right under the rug, and you might not

609
00:34:56,880 --> 00:35:00,279
Speaker 4: ever even had a mister McMahon. And they're doing the

610
00:35:00,280 --> 00:35:03,279
Speaker 4: same thing today, but bringing back a guy like seeing

611
00:35:03,440 --> 00:35:08,800
Speaker 4: Punk who's got controversy out the wazoo everywhere he goes,

612
00:35:08,960 --> 00:35:13,280
Speaker 4: everybody he meets. And you're not gonna allow your roster

613
00:35:13,840 --> 00:35:18,160
Speaker 4: to give their real feelings about Punk and then work

614
00:35:18,400 --> 00:35:24,840
Speaker 4: that into programming content. You're fools, man, You're absolutely fools.

615
00:35:26,000 --> 00:35:31,520
Speaker 1: That's an interesting take, very interesting take. If I can

616
00:35:31,640 --> 00:35:34,280
Speaker 1: switch gears, do you have anything to add chat, because

617
00:35:34,280 --> 00:35:35,320
Speaker 1: I'm gonna switch gears for that?

618
00:35:35,440 --> 00:35:38,439
Speaker 2: I mean, what else can I say? I mean, it's

619
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Speaker 2: just I can't recognize any bit of what I watched.

620
00:35:41,360 --> 00:35:43,200
Speaker 2: I watched that whole raw, and I haven't watched the

621
00:35:43,320 --> 00:35:46,680
Speaker 2: raw in years, from start to finish. It's just because

622
00:35:46,680 --> 00:35:48,319
Speaker 2: I wanted to see what Punk had to say, and

623
00:35:48,360 --> 00:35:51,080
Speaker 2: I got suckered into three hours, and I said the

624
00:35:51,120 --> 00:35:53,480
Speaker 2: show should be two. If you had to, if you

625
00:35:53,520 --> 00:35:56,400
Speaker 2: had to write three hours of a raw in the heyday,

626
00:35:56,440 --> 00:35:58,759
Speaker 2: of ninety eight. I mean, wouldn't you have exhausted some

627
00:35:58,840 --> 00:36:01,080
Speaker 2: of your best ideas you had to stretch.

628
00:36:00,760 --> 00:36:03,360
Speaker 4: It another, Chad, I'll be honest with you.

629
00:36:03,440 --> 00:36:03,640
Speaker 2: Man.

630
00:36:03,719 --> 00:36:06,280
Speaker 4: When Ed and I went over to Nitro, the first

631
00:36:06,440 --> 00:36:08,440
Speaker 4: nine Nitros were three hours.

632
00:36:09,280 --> 00:36:09,480
Speaker 1: Bro.

633
00:36:09,600 --> 00:36:13,040
Speaker 4: With the roster we had, we had absolutely no problem,

634
00:36:13,480 --> 00:36:17,239
Speaker 4: absolutely no problem writing a three hour show. Bro. Here's

635
00:36:17,280 --> 00:36:20,480
Speaker 4: the problem. They don't have writers. They don't have writers.

636
00:36:20,520 --> 00:36:22,920
Speaker 4: They've got Paul haym they got the Haman's, and they

637
00:36:22,960 --> 00:36:25,239
Speaker 4: got the Pritchards, and they got the Michael Hayeses, and

638
00:36:25,280 --> 00:36:28,800
Speaker 4: they got all these people. These people are not writers.

639
00:36:28,880 --> 00:36:31,919
Speaker 4: They've never been writers. They've never been trained as a writer.

640
00:36:32,120 --> 00:36:34,920
Speaker 4: They don't have a degree in writing. Just because Triple

641
00:36:35,080 --> 00:36:38,560
Speaker 4: H won thirty five world titles doesn't make Triple H

642
00:36:38,680 --> 00:36:42,840
Speaker 4: a freaking writer, Chad. They did the same thing, Francine,

643
00:36:43,040 --> 00:36:49,160
Speaker 4: same thing. The day after Owen Hart dies. They want

644
00:36:49,200 --> 00:36:53,160
Speaker 4: to go on and shoot a row with no mention

645
00:36:53,400 --> 00:36:57,360
Speaker 4: of what happened the night before, no mention. We're gonna

646
00:36:57,360 --> 00:37:01,040
Speaker 4: put on a regular show. I went into a closed

647
00:37:01,040 --> 00:37:07,120
Speaker 4: door meeting with me, Vince McMahon and Kevin Dunn, and

648
00:37:07,160 --> 00:37:12,799
Speaker 4: I started emotionally breaking down and I basically, I not

649
00:37:12,960 --> 00:37:17,799
Speaker 4: basically I told them, if this show is not a

650
00:37:18,080 --> 00:37:22,720
Speaker 4: tribute to owen Hart, I am going home right now.

651
00:37:23,280 --> 00:37:27,759
Speaker 4: I'm going home right now, because if you're gonna have

652
00:37:27,800 --> 00:37:31,560
Speaker 4: a raw like nothing happened last night, I'm not gonna

653
00:37:31,560 --> 00:37:33,680
Speaker 4: be a part of that. And then what did they

654
00:37:33,880 --> 00:37:36,040
Speaker 4: what did they turn what did they turn the show into?

655
00:37:36,360 --> 00:37:39,040
Speaker 4: It was a memorial to owen Hart. But bro, that's

656
00:37:39,080 --> 00:37:42,600
Speaker 4: because I was there and and and and like, I

657
00:37:43,160 --> 00:37:45,719
Speaker 4: was the guy who was never in the bubble. I

658
00:37:45,920 --> 00:37:49,920
Speaker 4: was just a wrestling fan. I was a father, I

659
00:37:50,360 --> 00:37:53,680
Speaker 4: was a husband, I was a regular guy. So I

660
00:37:53,880 --> 00:37:58,200
Speaker 4: did not see things through their ridiculous bubble. And I

661
00:37:58,320 --> 00:38:01,600
Speaker 4: was the only one that said, I'm I'm literally leaving

662
00:38:01,920 --> 00:38:04,520
Speaker 4: right now if that's what this show is going to

663
00:38:04,560 --> 00:38:05,040
Speaker 4: be tonight.

664
00:38:05,760 --> 00:38:09,840
Speaker 1: So you're you're trying to say they wouldn't have even

665
00:38:10,040 --> 00:38:13,319
Speaker 1: acknowledged him down the line, you know, you don't think

666
00:38:14,160 --> 00:38:14,759
Speaker 1: owen Hart.

667
00:38:15,000 --> 00:38:16,879
Speaker 4: They would They would have, they would have. They would

668
00:38:16,920 --> 00:38:20,120
Speaker 4: have mentioned what happened last night and had about a

669
00:38:20,120 --> 00:38:22,359
Speaker 4: three minute package and that would have been the end

670
00:38:22,360 --> 00:38:24,960
Speaker 4: of it. That would have been the end of it. Yes, wow,

671
00:38:25,680 --> 00:38:31,600
Speaker 4: Yes that happened. That happened. I believe you believe what

672
00:38:31,600 --> 00:38:33,920
Speaker 4: I'm talking about. That that's that's what I mean about

673
00:38:33,920 --> 00:38:40,040
Speaker 4: the wrestling bubble. That's that's what I'm talking about. That

674
00:38:40,160 --> 00:38:43,880
Speaker 4: one I never heard because I've never really said that before.

675
00:38:44,440 --> 00:38:46,640
Speaker 4: That's exactly it was. It was just the three of

676
00:38:46,719 --> 00:38:48,359
Speaker 4: us in a room, just the three of.

677
00:38:48,360 --> 00:38:50,920
Speaker 2: Us, instead of it being this iconic show now that

678
00:38:50,960 --> 00:38:54,680
Speaker 2: we all remember and you know, just close your eyes

679
00:38:54,719 --> 00:38:59,200
Speaker 2: and see Austin, you know, saluting the tron and everybody's

680
00:38:59,239 --> 00:39:02,880
Speaker 2: emotional speeches. That's incredible that they would just bypass that

681
00:39:03,680 --> 00:39:05,720
Speaker 2: for the sake of matches on a show where people

682
00:39:05,719 --> 00:39:08,920
Speaker 2: were wrestling with bloodstains in the middle of a canvas.

683
00:39:09,040 --> 00:39:11,919
Speaker 4: Yeah. Like I said, Chad, the same exact thing when

684
00:39:11,960 --> 00:39:14,360
Speaker 4: Brett punch Vince and we're not going to talk about this,

685
00:39:15,080 --> 00:39:18,120
Speaker 4: they're still in the we're not going to talk about

686
00:39:18,160 --> 00:39:18,800
Speaker 4: this mode.

687
00:39:20,840 --> 00:39:25,879
Speaker 1: Unbelievable. Let me switch gears because I've always said I'm

688
00:39:25,880 --> 00:39:27,839
Speaker 1: not a big fan of Dark Side of the Ring

689
00:39:28,400 --> 00:39:33,560
Speaker 1: only because it's such a negative light shined upon pro wrestling,

690
00:39:33,880 --> 00:39:36,480
Speaker 1: and all of us that are in it are really proud.

691
00:39:36,200 --> 00:39:38,080
Speaker 3: Of what we've done and what we've accomplished.

692
00:39:38,560 --> 00:39:41,800
Speaker 1: If we weren't. We wouldn't be in this business. Honestly,

693
00:39:42,560 --> 00:39:46,040
Speaker 1: I watched an episode and forgive me, I can't remember

694
00:39:46,080 --> 00:39:50,040
Speaker 1: what the theme was, but it was centered around you,

695
00:39:50,960 --> 00:39:54,560
Speaker 1: and I never really saw you talk about it after

696
00:39:54,600 --> 00:39:55,160
Speaker 1: it aired.

697
00:39:55,880 --> 00:39:58,160
Speaker 3: What was your opinion of that dark side of the ring?

698
00:39:58,200 --> 00:40:01,480
Speaker 1: Do you know what I'm talking? Was it that or something?

699
00:40:01,880 --> 00:40:05,360
Speaker 4: I will tell you exactly. I'll tell you two thousand

700
00:40:05,560 --> 00:40:10,920
Speaker 4: I'll tell you exactly what happened. Okay. The first a

701
00:40:11,120 --> 00:40:15,160
Speaker 4: dark Side I did was about the Brawl for All Okay,

702
00:40:15,280 --> 00:40:19,560
Speaker 4: And when I made the decision to do that, I'm like, bro, like,

703
00:40:19,600 --> 00:40:22,680
Speaker 4: this is this is no big deal. This, This isn't

704
00:40:22,760 --> 00:40:26,760
Speaker 4: the plane ride from Hell, like, this is the Brawl

705
00:40:26,880 --> 00:40:30,000
Speaker 4: for All tournament? How how did this come about? There

706
00:40:30,120 --> 00:40:34,280
Speaker 4: was nothing scandalous about this nothing. So I'm like, okay,

707
00:40:34,480 --> 00:40:37,960
Speaker 4: I'll talk about the Bral for All. I'll take responsibility

708
00:40:38,000 --> 00:40:40,320
Speaker 4: for me pitching the idea of Vince and everything else.

709
00:40:40,800 --> 00:40:44,320
Speaker 4: So I thought it was no big deal. So I

710
00:40:44,840 --> 00:40:49,040
Speaker 4: agree to do the Bral for All episode. And during

711
00:40:49,239 --> 00:40:57,759
Speaker 4: that episode, the the producers of the episode, they decide

712
00:40:57,800 --> 00:41:00,239
Speaker 4: that they're going to turn it into Vince Room so

713
00:41:00,400 --> 00:41:05,920
Speaker 4: versus Jim Cornett Okay. So now I see that air

714
00:41:06,080 --> 00:41:10,120
Speaker 4: and I'm like, you freaking guys like Siri. I understand

715
00:41:10,160 --> 00:41:13,560
Speaker 4: TV's all about freaking ratings, but don't don't blindside me

716
00:41:13,719 --> 00:41:18,600
Speaker 4: like that. Okay, So Francine, fast forward two to three

717
00:41:18,719 --> 00:41:24,719
Speaker 4: years later, they call me again to do Bash at

718
00:41:24,760 --> 00:41:28,840
Speaker 4: the Beach. So first thing I said is, are you

719
00:41:28,880 --> 00:41:32,439
Speaker 4: guys freaking kidding me? I did the brawl for all

720
00:41:32,560 --> 00:41:34,920
Speaker 4: with you guys, and you guys turned it into a

721
00:41:35,000 --> 00:41:38,480
Speaker 4: Vince Russo Jim Cornett angle, which there is no angle.

722
00:41:38,880 --> 00:41:42,799
Speaker 4: I could give two shits about Jim Cornette. I am

723
00:41:42,960 --> 00:41:46,680
Speaker 4: so over and so past Jim Cornette. I could give

724
00:41:46,719 --> 00:41:49,840
Speaker 4: two shits. So I said, and you have the goal

725
00:41:50,960 --> 00:41:52,960
Speaker 4: to come back to me and ask me to do

726
00:41:53,000 --> 00:41:55,799
Speaker 4: this Bash of the beach. So Franccene right hand to god.

727
00:41:56,360 --> 00:41:59,480
Speaker 4: You know, I am a you know I've been podcasting

728
00:41:59,480 --> 00:42:02,000
Speaker 4: now for ten years. This is how I make my living.

729
00:42:02,120 --> 00:42:04,080
Speaker 4: I don't want to go back to any wrestling company.

730
00:42:04,120 --> 00:42:07,320
Speaker 4: That will never happen. So they basically said to me, Vince,

731
00:42:07,360 --> 00:42:10,440
Speaker 4: what will it take you to do the Bash at

732
00:42:10,480 --> 00:42:17,600
Speaker 4: the beach. Francine, I threw a ridiculous number at them,

733
00:42:17,760 --> 00:42:22,279
Speaker 4: ridiculous and they said, okay, we'll pay you that, and

734
00:42:22,320 --> 00:42:26,680
Speaker 4: I said, okay, I said I want that upfront, okay,

735
00:42:27,160 --> 00:42:30,920
Speaker 4: and and and they paid me that ridiculous amount. So

736
00:42:31,080 --> 00:42:34,680
Speaker 4: I did Bash at the Beach. But again, Francine, you

737
00:42:34,760 --> 00:42:39,200
Speaker 4: got to understand something for me. Anyway, when I go

738
00:42:39,320 --> 00:42:42,399
Speaker 4: into the when I go into like these dogs you know,

739
00:42:42,560 --> 00:42:46,399
Speaker 4: these dog side shows, my whole thing is I am

740
00:42:46,480 --> 00:42:50,000
Speaker 4: not going into I'm not burying anybody. I'm not burying.

741
00:42:50,560 --> 00:42:53,600
Speaker 4: You're gonna ask me what happened, and I'm going to

742
00:42:53,840 --> 00:42:57,919
Speaker 4: tell you what happened. I'm not gonna sit here and

743
00:42:58,080 --> 00:43:02,240
Speaker 4: bash anybody. And if you watch the Bash at the Beach,

744
00:43:02,520 --> 00:43:08,359
Speaker 4: you see Bischoff just I mean just absolutely burying. I

745
00:43:08,440 --> 00:43:11,200
Speaker 4: did not say one negative word about Eric Bischoff. I

746
00:43:11,239 --> 00:43:14,680
Speaker 4: did not say one negative word about Hulk Hogan. That's

747
00:43:14,840 --> 00:43:18,319
Speaker 4: not what I do. If you want to ask me

748
00:43:18,440 --> 00:43:22,120
Speaker 4: what happened, I'm going to tell you what happened. Whether

749
00:43:22,160 --> 00:43:24,239
Speaker 4: you want to believe that or not is up to you.

750
00:43:24,480 --> 00:43:27,239
Speaker 4: But you can watch me on those shows. I do

751
00:43:27,480 --> 00:43:30,600
Speaker 4: not talk negatively about anybody.

752
00:43:31,000 --> 00:43:33,960
Speaker 1: Well, you said that on the first one. They made

753
00:43:34,040 --> 00:43:37,520
Speaker 1: it you against Jim Cornett. On this one, it was

754
00:43:37,560 --> 00:43:41,200
Speaker 1: you against Eric Bischoff, And did you know that going

755
00:43:41,239 --> 00:43:43,799
Speaker 1: in that that was going to be the absolute absolutely?

756
00:43:43,920 --> 00:43:46,799
Speaker 4: But the money they paid me was ridiculous. Okay. So

757
00:43:46,920 --> 00:43:49,399
Speaker 4: I was like, guys, like I said, I am gonna

758
00:43:49,440 --> 00:43:51,840
Speaker 4: come here, I am. You're gonna ask me a question.

759
00:43:52,080 --> 00:43:54,560
Speaker 4: I'm gonna tell you the truth. I'm not interested in

760
00:43:54,680 --> 00:43:57,759
Speaker 4: burying Hulk or Eric, and I'm not gonna do that

761
00:43:58,320 --> 00:44:01,120
Speaker 4: from that point on, Yes, Francine, I knew they were

762
00:44:01,120 --> 00:44:04,000
Speaker 4: gonna do whatever they wanted with it. But like I said, man,

763
00:44:04,280 --> 00:44:06,960
Speaker 4: the money they paid me for it was ridiculous.

764
00:44:07,160 --> 00:44:09,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm sure. I just saw it, and I was

765
00:44:09,680 --> 00:44:15,120
Speaker 1: just I was interested in the concept, not really knowing

766
00:44:15,160 --> 00:44:18,759
Speaker 1: you that well. And never I met Eric bischoffl one time,

767
00:44:18,800 --> 00:44:21,080
Speaker 1: shook his hand and walked away. I've never met haw Coogan.

768
00:44:21,320 --> 00:44:24,800
Speaker 1: But you hear certain things and you never know what's

769
00:44:24,840 --> 00:44:26,080
Speaker 1: true what's not true.

770
00:44:26,160 --> 00:44:28,880
Speaker 4: Well, you know when I'm saying something, it's.

771
00:44:28,760 --> 00:44:30,480
Speaker 1: True, it's true. It's always true. Okay.

772
00:44:30,520 --> 00:44:36,840
Speaker 4: One thousand, I at almost sixty three years old, a

773
00:44:37,000 --> 00:44:42,440
Speaker 4: grandfather of two. There is nothing in this world I

774
00:44:42,440 --> 00:44:45,200
Speaker 4: would ever I have you really think I'm gonna lie

775
00:44:45,360 --> 00:44:49,279
Speaker 4: about wrestling shit? From thirty years ago. Like seriously, I'm

776
00:44:49,280 --> 00:44:52,640
Speaker 4: gonna lie about it, and I'll tell you, Francine, I

777
00:44:52,719 --> 00:44:55,319
Speaker 4: would never if it was you know, they they have

778
00:44:55,520 --> 00:45:00,279
Speaker 4: shows that are character assassinations on people. I wouldn't ever

779
00:45:00,400 --> 00:45:04,560
Speaker 4: do one of those shows. If if, if they're gonna

780
00:45:04,600 --> 00:45:08,799
Speaker 4: pay me money to bury somebody, I'm not gonna take

781
00:45:08,840 --> 00:45:11,680
Speaker 4: that money. I'm not gonna take that money. Like you know,

782
00:45:11,719 --> 00:45:14,600
Speaker 4: they did a show on Tammy. I'm not I'm not

783
00:45:14,680 --> 00:45:17,719
Speaker 4: gonna go on I mean that that that that poor

784
00:45:17,800 --> 00:45:20,839
Speaker 4: woman's had enough problems. I'm not gonna go on that

785
00:45:20,880 --> 00:45:24,120
Speaker 4: show and bury Tammy, no matter how much you pay me.

786
00:45:24,400 --> 00:45:27,040
Speaker 4: But if it's something like Vince, what happened at Bash

787
00:45:27,040 --> 00:45:29,400
Speaker 4: of the Beach, This is what happened at Bash of

788
00:45:29,440 --> 00:45:31,200
Speaker 4: the Beach. Whether you want to believe me or don't

789
00:45:31,200 --> 00:45:32,400
Speaker 4: believe me, I don't give a crap.

790
00:45:33,239 --> 00:45:36,040
Speaker 1: So I know you don't do conventions and stuff, But

791
00:45:36,080 --> 00:45:38,719
Speaker 1: if you did, are you the type of person that

792
00:45:38,760 --> 00:45:40,920
Speaker 1: would go and shake their hand or would you just

793
00:45:40,960 --> 00:45:41,600
Speaker 1: ignore them?

794
00:45:41,800 --> 00:45:42,560
Speaker 4: Shake Who's hand?

795
00:45:43,280 --> 00:45:44,640
Speaker 1: Shake like a Bischoff's hand?

796
00:45:45,640 --> 00:45:50,799
Speaker 4: Lancy, I I don't have a problem with anybody, with anybody.

797
00:45:50,880 --> 00:45:53,200
Speaker 4: You know how many times I've come on here and said,

798
00:45:53,480 --> 00:45:56,000
Speaker 4: I will do a face to face with Eric Bischoff,

799
00:45:56,200 --> 00:45:58,520
Speaker 4: I will do a face to face with Jim Cornett.

800
00:45:58,719 --> 00:46:01,200
Speaker 4: I will do a face to face with Dave Meltzer.

801
00:46:01,680 --> 00:46:05,160
Speaker 4: I don't have a problem with any of these people,

802
00:46:05,360 --> 00:46:08,200
Speaker 4: but for some reason, they don't want to do a

803
00:46:08,239 --> 00:46:11,600
Speaker 4: face to face with me. So you tell me why.

804
00:46:12,120 --> 00:46:16,040
Speaker 4: If I had anything to hide, I certainly would not

805
00:46:16,480 --> 00:46:20,040
Speaker 4: publicly put that out there. So when I publicly put

806
00:46:20,040 --> 00:46:24,040
Speaker 4: it out there and nobody accepts it, I gotta ask

807
00:46:24,120 --> 00:46:25,279
Speaker 4: myself why.

808
00:46:27,120 --> 00:46:30,279
Speaker 1: I think you're a good debater. Maybe they're scared. I

809
00:46:30,320 --> 00:46:30,640
Speaker 1: don't know.

810
00:46:31,080 --> 00:46:33,239
Speaker 4: It has nothing to do with with debating.

811
00:46:33,480 --> 00:46:35,240
Speaker 3: It has a debater.

812
00:46:35,680 --> 00:46:37,640
Speaker 4: It has to do with who's telling the truth and

813
00:46:37,680 --> 00:46:40,640
Speaker 4: who's lying. That's what. And it also has to do

814
00:46:40,719 --> 00:46:44,960
Speaker 4: with this friend scene. They're still playing their characters. Okay,

815
00:46:45,080 --> 00:46:48,919
Speaker 4: Eric Bischoff is playing Eric Bischoff on his podcast. Jim

816
00:46:49,000 --> 00:46:52,640
Speaker 4: Cornett is playing Jim Cornette on his podcast. So they're

817
00:46:52,760 --> 00:46:57,480
Speaker 4: saying a lot of things in character because their audience

818
00:46:57,560 --> 00:47:00,640
Speaker 4: can't tell what's fact and what's fiction. I don't play

819
00:47:00,680 --> 00:47:05,120
Speaker 4: my freaking character. I left my character in the ring

820
00:47:05,200 --> 00:47:08,840
Speaker 4: when I walked away from wrestling. I don't play character.

821
00:47:09,480 --> 00:47:12,359
Speaker 4: What I play is you ask me something, I'm gonna

822
00:47:12,360 --> 00:47:13,759
Speaker 4: tell you the freaking truth.

823
00:47:15,880 --> 00:47:18,480
Speaker 2: That goes back to what you said before about everybody

824
00:47:18,719 --> 00:47:21,640
Speaker 2: believes it is real. The comments that we get about

825
00:47:21,680 --> 00:47:26,080
Speaker 2: this show is everybody sees how real Francine is. There's

826
00:47:26,120 --> 00:47:29,719
Speaker 2: no characters to be found on these airwaves. Being a

827
00:47:29,760 --> 00:47:31,640
Speaker 2: part of the brand for the years that I was,

828
00:47:31,760 --> 00:47:33,959
Speaker 2: that's what I can say about listening to what you said,

829
00:47:34,000 --> 00:47:37,200
Speaker 2: there was no Vince Russo character. What you saw was

830
00:47:37,239 --> 00:47:40,200
Speaker 2: what you got every time you hear Bischoff. And I

831
00:47:40,280 --> 00:47:42,320
Speaker 2: was around Bischoff a lot, and I worked with Bischoff

832
00:47:42,320 --> 00:47:46,440
Speaker 2: on conventions and shows. He could turn on the character

833
00:47:46,640 --> 00:47:50,759
Speaker 2: and you got the nWo Eric Bischoff. You know, bad guy,

834
00:47:50,880 --> 00:47:53,040
Speaker 2: I'm cool, too cool for the room. You got that.

835
00:47:53,800 --> 00:47:57,040
Speaker 2: And that's what these podcasts have spawned is another group

836
00:47:57,080 --> 00:47:59,759
Speaker 2: of characters. And now the fans that also watch the

837
00:47:59,800 --> 00:48:03,080
Speaker 2: show and listen to the podcasts have become a part

838
00:48:03,120 --> 00:48:05,719
Speaker 2: of these worlds. So whereas the brand is like kind

839
00:48:05,719 --> 00:48:09,160
Speaker 2: of a family, these podcasts are just like the wrestling

840
00:48:09,160 --> 00:48:12,040
Speaker 2: crowds and they buy into these characters that now the

841
00:48:12,080 --> 00:48:14,440
Speaker 2: wrestlers have made on podcasts.

842
00:48:14,920 --> 00:48:18,000
Speaker 4: You know you know absolutely, Chad, because you know, Francine,

843
00:48:18,000 --> 00:48:21,799
Speaker 4: you had the list of these beefs, right, and why

844
00:48:21,840 --> 00:48:24,320
Speaker 4: I'm in all these things. Here's the perfect case scenario,

845
00:48:24,520 --> 00:48:29,200
Speaker 4: Chad of what we're talking about. I'm sitting here minding

846
00:48:29,239 --> 00:48:33,280
Speaker 4: my own business the other day and I come across

847
00:48:33,320 --> 00:48:39,680
Speaker 4: a story where it was a podcast and somebody asked

848
00:48:39,960 --> 00:48:43,959
Speaker 4: Jake Roberts about Vince Russo being in the Hall of Fame.

849
00:48:44,160 --> 00:48:49,360
Speaker 4: So my first question is, Guys, I worked with Jake

850
00:48:49,640 --> 00:48:54,160
Speaker 4: on maybe one, two or three occasions. Every time I

851
00:48:54,280 --> 00:48:58,160
Speaker 4: work with him, he was gone the next week because

852
00:48:58,520 --> 00:49:01,720
Speaker 4: either you know what Jake was dealing with at the time.

853
00:49:02,200 --> 00:49:04,720
Speaker 4: So every time I work with him, I turn around

854
00:49:04,760 --> 00:49:07,560
Speaker 4: and he would be gone because of something that he did.

855
00:49:08,120 --> 00:49:13,440
Speaker 4: So I worked with him very, very very rarely. So

856
00:49:13,600 --> 00:49:17,040
Speaker 4: now now the question comes on a podcast to Jake Robins,

857
00:49:17,040 --> 00:49:18,840
Speaker 4: what do you what would you think about Vince Russo

858
00:49:18,920 --> 00:49:22,080
Speaker 4: being in the Hall of Fame. So my first question is,

859
00:49:22,640 --> 00:49:26,600
Speaker 4: why are you bringing Vince Russo's name into an interview

860
00:49:26,840 --> 00:49:29,040
Speaker 4: with Jake Roberts when I had nothing to do with

861
00:49:29,080 --> 00:49:34,239
Speaker 4: the dude's career. Okay, So Jake Roberts turns around, laughs

862
00:49:34,320 --> 00:49:39,120
Speaker 4: and says, f no, my dead dog had better ideas

863
00:49:39,200 --> 00:49:43,440
Speaker 4: than Vince Russo, okay, bro, So what what? Why? Why

864
00:49:43,520 --> 00:49:46,960
Speaker 4: is Jake saying that when Bro I can go down

865
00:49:47,040 --> 00:49:50,279
Speaker 4: the list? Obviously I never had any kind of a

866
00:49:50,320 --> 00:49:54,160
Speaker 4: relationship with him. He has no idea who I am

867
00:49:54,239 --> 00:49:57,400
Speaker 4: as a human being. And oh, by the way, under

868
00:49:57,480 --> 00:50:01,799
Speaker 4: my thumb to wrestling companies had the best ratings they

869
00:50:01,840 --> 00:50:04,959
Speaker 4: ever had in their history. And I'm talking about WWE

870
00:50:05,080 --> 00:50:10,160
Speaker 4: and DNA that was drawing over two million people. So

871
00:50:10,480 --> 00:50:14,640
Speaker 4: it's real simple. Why is Jake saying that? Jake is

872
00:50:14,680 --> 00:50:18,680
Speaker 4: saying that because he knows that's what the interviewer wants

873
00:50:18,719 --> 00:50:23,040
Speaker 4: to hear. Jake wants to get over with the cool kids.

874
00:50:23,239 --> 00:50:25,799
Speaker 4: Oh man, look at Jake. Look at what Jake said

875
00:50:25,840 --> 00:50:29,080
Speaker 4: about ventures. That's why he's doing it. You think you

876
00:50:29,200 --> 00:50:33,440
Speaker 4: think Jake Roberts has any idea of what I booked

877
00:50:33,480 --> 00:50:36,319
Speaker 4: and what I didn't book What was my idea and

878
00:50:36,360 --> 00:50:41,480
Speaker 4: what wasn't my He has no freaking idea. What is

879
00:50:41,520 --> 00:50:44,160
Speaker 4: he trying to do. He's trying to get over with

880
00:50:44,200 --> 00:50:48,520
Speaker 4: the cool kids, that internet crowd, the wrestling marks. So

881
00:50:48,719 --> 00:50:51,120
Speaker 4: I understand that, and I get it, but I'll be

882
00:50:51,160 --> 00:50:53,799
Speaker 4: honest with you, Bro, the dude is older than me,

883
00:50:54,440 --> 00:50:57,279
Speaker 4: and it's like, you know, bro, if you if you

884
00:50:57,520 --> 00:51:00,799
Speaker 4: you really, you're gonna bury me who you don't even know.

885
00:51:01,239 --> 00:51:03,480
Speaker 4: You don't have any idea of what I booked and

886
00:51:03,520 --> 00:51:07,319
Speaker 4: what I didn't book to get over with the Mark crowd, Like, Bro,

887
00:51:07,400 --> 00:51:11,000
Speaker 4: you're gonna be doing this when you're seventy seventy five.

888
00:51:11,360 --> 00:51:14,120
Speaker 4: That's why, for instance, I don't rip people because if

889
00:51:14,160 --> 00:51:17,360
Speaker 4: you look in my response to Jake Roberts on Twitter,

890
00:51:17,880 --> 00:51:22,440
Speaker 4: what did I say? I said, Jake Roberts was probably

891
00:51:22,880 --> 00:51:28,280
Speaker 4: the most creative when it came to character and story

892
00:51:28,640 --> 00:51:31,520
Speaker 4: in the history of the business. So I'm not gonna

893
00:51:31,560 --> 00:51:35,239
Speaker 4: sit there and rip you because I know exactly what

894
00:51:35,280 --> 00:51:38,840
Speaker 4: you're trying to do. I think it's sad and pathetic,

895
00:51:39,160 --> 00:51:41,160
Speaker 4: but at the end of the day, I am going

896
00:51:41,239 --> 00:51:44,520
Speaker 4: to put you over because I don't have a problem

897
00:51:44,880 --> 00:51:47,399
Speaker 4: with you, Jake, So you could say whatever you want

898
00:51:47,440 --> 00:51:50,279
Speaker 4: about me, because I understand why you're saying it.

899
00:51:51,040 --> 00:51:54,000
Speaker 1: I feel like you're such a likable guy. I don't

900
00:51:54,160 --> 00:51:58,920
Speaker 1: understand like all of this negativity that comes towards you.

901
00:51:59,120 --> 00:52:03,759
Speaker 4: Because they're feeding into it. This is what this is

902
00:52:03,840 --> 00:52:09,400
Speaker 4: what today's wrestling marks the dirt sheet writers. This is

903
00:52:09,520 --> 00:52:11,960
Speaker 4: what they want. And what does Jake want to do

904
00:52:12,040 --> 00:52:14,239
Speaker 4: at the end of the day. Come on, Francine, let's

905
00:52:14,239 --> 00:52:17,200
Speaker 4: be honest. He wants to get over with aew because

906
00:52:17,239 --> 00:52:19,759
Speaker 4: maybe I even think he's working there now I know

907
00:52:19,840 --> 00:52:22,759
Speaker 4: he was, I don't know if he's on hiatus. He

908
00:52:22,880 --> 00:52:26,160
Speaker 4: wants to get in good favor with them, So how

909
00:52:26,160 --> 00:52:28,880
Speaker 4: do we do that. I'll just throw rocks and stones

910
00:52:28,920 --> 00:52:33,040
Speaker 4: at Vince Russo because that's what they like. And you know,

911
00:52:33,160 --> 00:52:36,080
Speaker 4: my thing is, bro Man, if you want to get

912
00:52:36,120 --> 00:52:39,719
Speaker 4: back into the business that badly, bro, say whatever you

913
00:52:39,760 --> 00:52:43,120
Speaker 4: want about me, Like, if it's that important to you

914
00:52:43,520 --> 00:52:47,000
Speaker 4: to get back into wrestling, throw me under the bus

915
00:52:47,000 --> 00:52:47,680
Speaker 4: all day long.

916
00:52:49,800 --> 00:52:50,520
Speaker 1: I don't get it.

917
00:52:50,560 --> 00:52:53,040
Speaker 2: I'm gonna ask Jake anything past nineteen eighty nine.

918
00:52:53,760 --> 00:52:57,480
Speaker 4: Yeah, well I think it's the point. Yeah.

919
00:52:57,560 --> 00:53:01,560
Speaker 1: I have one one final question for you, biggest misconception

920
00:53:02,200 --> 00:53:03,520
Speaker 1: about Vincero's.

921
00:53:03,239 --> 00:53:04,480
Speaker 2: Deep, very deep question.

922
00:53:07,960 --> 00:53:12,600
Speaker 4: God, that's it's so that's hard to say because like

923
00:53:12,680 --> 00:53:14,759
Speaker 4: I put it like, I put it all out there,

924
00:53:14,840 --> 00:53:17,480
Speaker 4: I don't I don't hold any punches, like.

925
00:53:21,160 --> 00:53:26,200
Speaker 1: I feel like you're not understood. You're very complex.

926
00:53:26,600 --> 00:53:33,040
Speaker 4: I don't Branstein I think I'm very, very simple, Okay, Vince.

927
00:53:33,440 --> 00:53:36,959
Speaker 4: Vince McMahon put me in a position. This is where

928
00:53:36,960 --> 00:53:40,760
Speaker 4: this all started. Vince McMahon put me in a position. Vince.

929
00:53:42,960 --> 00:53:46,239
Speaker 4: You have to get as many people to watch our

930
00:53:46,320 --> 00:53:50,560
Speaker 4: show as possible. You have two hours to do it. Okay,

931
00:53:50,840 --> 00:53:54,799
Speaker 4: that's it, period, Francine. I swear you Here's here's what

932
00:53:54,840 --> 00:53:59,480
Speaker 4: people don't understand. And Francine, I don't know about your background.

933
00:54:00,040 --> 00:54:02,520
Speaker 4: Here's people I don't understand. And if I hear this

934
00:54:02,600 --> 00:54:05,640
Speaker 4: story one more time, I swear to God, I'm gonna

935
00:54:05,680 --> 00:54:09,399
Speaker 4: puke in my own mouth. I had a dream. Oh,

936
00:54:09,640 --> 00:54:13,440
Speaker 4: when I was five years old, I dreamed of being

937
00:54:13,520 --> 00:54:17,960
Speaker 4: in the main event of WrestleMania. I had a dream, Francine.

938
00:54:18,600 --> 00:54:23,800
Speaker 4: When I was writing in the wrestling business for WWEWCW TNA,

939
00:54:23,920 --> 00:54:27,560
Speaker 4: it was not a dream. It was a job. It

940
00:54:27,640 --> 00:54:30,319
Speaker 4: was a It's no different than what I'm doing now.

941
00:54:30,400 --> 00:54:33,520
Speaker 4: It's no different than when I own video stores. It's

942
00:54:33,560 --> 00:54:37,080
Speaker 4: no different than when I worked for CBS Publishing. I

943
00:54:37,520 --> 00:54:41,919
Speaker 4: had a job. And no matter what job I'm in,

944
00:54:42,280 --> 00:54:44,840
Speaker 4: you're gonna get one hundred and ten percent from me,

945
00:54:45,040 --> 00:54:48,640
Speaker 4: and I'm gonna do the absolute best I can. So.

946
00:54:48,800 --> 00:54:52,520
Speaker 4: It wasn't a dream. I wasn't a mark for the business.

947
00:54:52,840 --> 00:54:56,880
Speaker 4: I wasn't so thankful to be there. I had a

948
00:54:57,080 --> 00:55:03,040
Speaker 4: job to support my family. And that's what's so hard

949
00:55:03,120 --> 00:55:07,680
Speaker 4: for people to freaking understand that, Like, I wouldn't have

950
00:55:08,000 --> 00:55:12,000
Speaker 4: killed for a job in the WWEE Francceine. I got

951
00:55:12,080 --> 00:55:15,960
Speaker 4: hired first as a freelance writer, and then from there

952
00:55:16,120 --> 00:55:20,279
Speaker 4: the editor got fired. I got the editor's job. Television

953
00:55:20,320 --> 00:55:24,160
Speaker 4: writing wasn't even on my radar. It's not something I

954
00:55:24,360 --> 00:55:28,279
Speaker 4: wanted to do. They were paying me sixty grand as

955
00:55:28,360 --> 00:55:31,600
Speaker 4: the editor of the magazine franccene I thought that was

956
00:55:31,680 --> 00:55:36,120
Speaker 4: all the money in the world. They moved me to Connecticut.

957
00:55:36,520 --> 00:55:38,839
Speaker 4: I was able, you know we're talking about now, Back

958
00:55:38,880 --> 00:55:42,680
Speaker 4: in ninety five, I was able to support my family

959
00:55:42,760 --> 00:55:47,840
Speaker 4: on sixty grand. I was made. I had no inspirations

960
00:55:47,880 --> 00:55:51,160
Speaker 4: of writing TV and being the head writer of Raw

961
00:55:51,480 --> 00:55:55,280
Speaker 4: and writing in limousines with Vince Ruth, with Vince McMahon.

962
00:55:55,400 --> 00:55:59,160
Speaker 4: You think any of that crap ever caught crossed my mind.

963
00:56:00,040 --> 00:56:03,920
Speaker 4: Shit happened because it was supposed to happen. Everything happens

964
00:56:03,960 --> 00:56:07,480
Speaker 4: for a reason. All that stuff was supposed to happen.

965
00:56:07,920 --> 00:56:11,959
Speaker 4: But people can't fathom this wasn't my dream. This isn't

966
00:56:12,000 --> 00:56:16,040
Speaker 4: what I lived for, paying dues and all that bullshit.

967
00:56:16,320 --> 00:56:18,400
Speaker 4: It's a freaking job, man.

968
00:56:19,719 --> 00:56:23,880
Speaker 1: Ninety nine percent of the boys in the business had

969
00:56:23,920 --> 00:56:28,520
Speaker 1: this dream they were two years old. Like I'm like you,

970
00:56:28,680 --> 00:56:31,600
Speaker 1: I kind of fell into it. I never I didn't

971
00:56:31,600 --> 00:56:33,960
Speaker 1: even like wrestling until I was nineteen years old. Like,

972
00:56:34,080 --> 00:56:35,920
Speaker 1: I didn't watch it my whole life. I wanted to

973
00:56:35,960 --> 00:56:39,279
Speaker 1: be a mother. I was playing with dolls, yes, when

974
00:56:39,320 --> 00:56:41,840
Speaker 1: I was, you know, ten years old, saying one of

975
00:56:41,880 --> 00:56:43,440
Speaker 1: these days, I'm going to be a mommy.

976
00:56:44,000 --> 00:56:45,200
Speaker 3: That was my dream.

977
00:56:45,280 --> 00:56:47,680
Speaker 4: That was my fau because you because you were normal.

978
00:56:48,080 --> 00:56:48,720
Speaker 4: You were normal.

979
00:56:48,920 --> 00:56:52,000
Speaker 1: I'm still say I'm one of the most normal people

980
00:56:52,080 --> 00:56:55,439
Speaker 1: that this business tried to corrupt but did it yep,

981
00:56:55,920 --> 00:56:59,640
Speaker 1: because there was so much temptation and it just wasn't

982
00:56:59,640 --> 00:57:03,719
Speaker 1: my pay Yep. You know, thank God. I thank God

983
00:57:03,760 --> 00:57:05,879
Speaker 1: every day for where I'm at and what I have,

984
00:57:06,080 --> 00:57:08,480
Speaker 1: and I am probably one of.

985
00:57:08,440 --> 00:57:11,800
Speaker 3: The more normal people. You know, we're all a little

986
00:57:11,960 --> 00:57:13,080
Speaker 3: little tiny.

987
00:57:12,760 --> 00:57:15,080
Speaker 4: Bit wacky, right of course, but.

988
00:57:15,200 --> 00:57:19,280
Speaker 1: There's way more wackier than I am, right, you know

989
00:57:19,320 --> 00:57:22,400
Speaker 1: what I mean? And like for the years. I want

990
00:57:22,600 --> 00:57:24,720
Speaker 1: Like I thought I was gonna be married at twenty

991
00:57:24,800 --> 00:57:27,320
Speaker 1: I wanted five kids, right, you know, I wanted this

992
00:57:27,880 --> 00:57:30,680
Speaker 1: nice house and I didn't get that. I didn't meet

993
00:57:30,720 --> 00:57:33,680
Speaker 1: my husband until thirty four. Now I have two beautiful children,

994
00:57:33,760 --> 00:57:35,760
Speaker 1: I have a great husband, I have a great home. Like,

995
00:57:36,280 --> 00:57:39,280
Speaker 1: this is what I dreamed of wrestling, right, I get

996
00:57:39,320 --> 00:57:40,200
Speaker 1: where you're coming from.

997
00:57:40,240 --> 00:57:43,400
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, I gotta. I got a degree in

998
00:57:43,520 --> 00:57:47,000
Speaker 4: journalism and I wanted to write. I got the job

999
00:57:47,080 --> 00:57:52,800
Speaker 4: as the editor of the WWF magazine. Oh great, this

1000
00:57:52,880 --> 00:57:56,120
Speaker 4: is this is all that I wanted. But it's like

1001
00:57:56,680 --> 00:58:02,120
Speaker 4: when this isn't when this isn't your life, like twenty

1002
00:58:02,440 --> 00:58:07,280
Speaker 4: four seven, Like they've got a problem with that, and

1003
00:58:07,320 --> 00:58:11,960
Speaker 4: I'm like, my god, this will always be a job

1004
00:58:12,080 --> 00:58:12,280
Speaker 4: to me.

1005
00:58:12,480 --> 00:58:17,480
Speaker 1: Man. Yeah, yeah, well I'm not kissing your ass because

1006
00:58:17,800 --> 00:58:22,920
Speaker 1: you know, I like you. My favorite time was in

1007
00:58:22,960 --> 00:58:26,240
Speaker 1: the nineties. Lots of the things that you wrote I

1008
00:58:26,360 --> 00:58:30,360
Speaker 1: was very entertained with. I've said it how many times

1009
00:58:30,720 --> 00:58:33,040
Speaker 1: I don't watch the current product. I watch it when

1010
00:58:33,080 --> 00:58:35,520
Speaker 1: I need to. I watch clips of my friends, and

1011
00:58:35,560 --> 00:58:37,840
Speaker 1: I watch things that we have to report on. But

1012
00:58:37,960 --> 00:58:40,320
Speaker 1: I was a die hard fan. What drew me in

1013
00:58:41,000 --> 00:58:43,560
Speaker 1: was most of the shows that you worked on. So

1014
00:58:43,720 --> 00:58:46,360
Speaker 1: to me, that was when wrestling was at its peak

1015
00:58:46,440 --> 00:58:49,400
Speaker 1: and it was very entertaining, and that's when I would

1016
00:58:49,400 --> 00:58:52,880
Speaker 1: sit there for the three hours and enjoy the whole ride.

1017
00:58:53,560 --> 00:58:57,200
Speaker 1: You know, now, I don't have the willpower to sit

1018
00:58:57,280 --> 00:58:58,160
Speaker 1: for three hours.

1019
00:58:58,320 --> 00:59:00,520
Speaker 4: Ye you know what it is, I swim to god.

1020
00:59:00,720 --> 00:59:04,600
Speaker 4: It really dawned on me, I'd say about a couple

1021
00:59:04,600 --> 00:59:08,080
Speaker 4: of weeks ago, and Francine, I swear to God, Chad,

1022
00:59:08,840 --> 00:59:13,400
Speaker 4: if you start looking at it this way, it really

1023
00:59:13,480 --> 00:59:20,440
Speaker 4: becomes much more understandable. Okay, And I've come to the conclusion. Listen,

1024
00:59:20,560 --> 00:59:24,520
Speaker 4: I watched the shows and I rip the shows every week.

1025
00:59:24,600 --> 00:59:27,080
Speaker 4: And here's why I ripped the shows because I say

1026
00:59:27,120 --> 00:59:31,120
Speaker 4: to myself, bro, when that show is over, there is

1027
00:59:31,160 --> 00:59:33,440
Speaker 4: no way in hell you can look in the mirror

1028
00:59:33,560 --> 00:59:38,720
Speaker 4: and say I did the absolute best that I can.

1029
00:59:39,480 --> 00:59:44,440
Speaker 4: It's lazy booking. Everything is drawn out. They're just trying

1030
00:59:44,480 --> 00:59:47,760
Speaker 4: to fill three hours. But then I finally came to

1031
00:59:47,800 --> 00:59:52,920
Speaker 4: the conclusion because I noticed, like Franccene, TRIPLEH was making

1032
00:59:53,080 --> 00:59:58,920
Speaker 4: like just so there were so many mistakes that was

1033
00:59:59,000 --> 01:00:05,360
Speaker 4: like wrestling one one, like so many just simple stupid mistakes,

1034
01:00:05,720 --> 01:00:08,160
Speaker 4: and as a guy that worked with Triple H and

1035
01:00:08,280 --> 01:00:11,080
Speaker 4: respect to Triple H. I'm sitting here and I'm saying, Bro,

1036
01:00:11,240 --> 01:00:15,000
Speaker 4: this guy came from Killi Kowalski. He can't he Bro.

1037
01:00:15,880 --> 01:00:18,720
Speaker 4: I can't sit here and say Triple H is an

1038
01:00:18,720 --> 01:00:21,920
Speaker 4: idiot and doesn't know what he's doing. But there's no

1039
01:00:22,040 --> 01:00:26,240
Speaker 4: other explanation because the things I'm talking about are elementary.

1040
01:00:26,760 --> 01:00:31,000
Speaker 4: Then you know, as I'm pondering this, Fricine, I come

1041
01:00:31,120 --> 01:00:37,200
Speaker 4: up with the answer. I think in twenty twenty three.

1042
01:00:37,520 --> 01:00:43,040
Speaker 4: Right now, it's this simple. I think the WWE are

1043
01:00:43,160 --> 01:00:50,680
Speaker 4: looking at themselves as strictly content creators, and it doesn't

1044
01:00:50,800 --> 01:00:54,800
Speaker 4: matter if the content is good, if the content is bad,

1045
01:00:55,200 --> 01:00:59,720
Speaker 4: if the content doesn't draw ratings, none of that matters.

1046
01:01:00,440 --> 01:01:03,720
Speaker 4: Because now you know, with streaming services and you know

1047
01:01:04,480 --> 01:01:07,200
Speaker 4: SmackDown was just picked up by USA and now they're

1048
01:01:07,240 --> 01:01:13,000
Speaker 4: shopping raw. They are content creators. I don't think they

1049
01:01:13,120 --> 01:01:17,960
Speaker 4: care about that content because come on, Francine, at ECW,

1050
01:01:17,720 --> 01:01:22,240
Speaker 4: you are around some of the greatest talents in the

1051
01:01:22,320 --> 01:01:26,480
Speaker 4: business that are still talked about today when you turn

1052
01:01:26,600 --> 01:01:31,840
Speaker 4: on their show, I swear to you fifty percent of

1053
01:01:31,840 --> 01:01:38,400
Speaker 4: that roster has no business being on television zero. You know,

1054
01:01:38,560 --> 01:01:42,560
Speaker 4: they're never gonna get over. Nobody's ever gonna remember who

1055
01:01:42,640 --> 01:01:47,080
Speaker 4: they are, so why are they there. They're there to

1056
01:01:47,520 --> 01:01:52,720
Speaker 4: create content. That's all they care about. So when if

1057
01:01:52,760 --> 01:01:55,600
Speaker 4: you can start looking at it through that as through

1058
01:01:55,640 --> 01:02:00,400
Speaker 4: that aspect, it really explains why you're just not getting

1059
01:02:00,440 --> 01:02:02,000
Speaker 4: good television shows anymore.

1060
01:02:02,360 --> 01:02:05,680
Speaker 1: I love your honesty. That's that's the one thing I

1061
01:02:06,120 --> 01:02:09,840
Speaker 1: admire about you, Vince. You're You're just honest to a fault.

1062
01:02:10,000 --> 01:02:13,920
Speaker 1: And I appreciate you coming on and giving us your

1063
01:02:14,560 --> 01:02:17,360
Speaker 1: two cents about the business these days because I appreciate it.

1064
01:02:17,400 --> 01:02:19,960
Speaker 4: And you know, Francine, like I can talk for all

1065
01:02:20,000 --> 01:02:22,520
Speaker 4: three of us. Here's the one thing that bothers me

1066
01:02:22,600 --> 01:02:27,360
Speaker 4: about that concept, Francine. This is your show. Chad's producing

1067
01:02:27,400 --> 01:02:31,080
Speaker 4: your show, he's your co host. This is my show,

1068
01:02:31,240 --> 01:02:35,200
Speaker 4: this is my podcast. Listen, man, when my name is

1069
01:02:35,280 --> 01:02:39,480
Speaker 4: attached to anything, I want it to be the best

1070
01:02:39,480 --> 01:02:41,920
Speaker 4: it possibly can. I don't care if people love it

1071
01:02:42,000 --> 01:02:43,840
Speaker 4: or hate it. I got to be able to look

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Speaker 4: at myself and say, Bro, you gave it, your role,

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Speaker 4: you did everything. So here's what I'm talking about, Francine.

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Speaker 4: One word pride. What's your freaking pride. I don't care

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Speaker 4: that your content creators, your name is on this? What

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01:02:59,080 --> 01:03:03,360
Speaker 4: happened to your pride? Because I'm sure chat and Francing

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01:03:03,560 --> 01:03:05,760
Speaker 4: you don't want to put anything out there that shit.

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01:03:06,560 --> 01:03:08,959
Speaker 4: And I'm sure that if you thought it was shit,

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Speaker 4: you do it over. I've done that. I've recorded shows

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01:03:13,320 --> 01:03:17,040
Speaker 4: on my own that I thought were shit that I've

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01:03:17,120 --> 01:03:21,600
Speaker 4: done over. So like that. That's the one thing is like, bro,

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01:03:22,440 --> 01:03:26,160
Speaker 4: whether your content creators or not, your name is on this,

1083
01:03:27,320 --> 01:03:31,000
Speaker 4: where's your pride? That's all you have.

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01:03:30,920 --> 01:03:33,600
Speaker 1: To end with that because we can't say no more.

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01:03:33,960 --> 01:03:38,080
Speaker 1: They tell people where they can find you on social

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Speaker 1: media and what to sign up for.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, guys, I'm just I'm just going to tell you

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01:03:42,600 --> 01:03:46,440
Speaker 4: one thing, man, because again, it's the holidays, Black Fridays,

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01:03:46,520 --> 01:03:49,680
Speaker 4: every weekend, so we have a deal right now. If

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Speaker 4: you've never been a member of our Patreon, you could

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01:03:52,160 --> 01:03:54,120
Speaker 4: see it right on the screen. Just go to patreon

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Speaker 4: dot com, forward slash russo TWC and sign up for

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Speaker 4: your free week.

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Speaker 1: I appreciate you so much, thank you for coming on.

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01:04:02,720 --> 01:04:05,320
Speaker 1: I think you're a three timer now, Yeah, I think so.

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01:04:06,800 --> 01:04:09,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, he came on once then he co hosted when

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01:04:09,200 --> 01:04:12,320
Speaker 2: you were sitting and then this would be number three.

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01:04:12,520 --> 01:04:14,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, you've done a lot of good business to get

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Speaker 1: It's always a pleasure speaking to you, sir. I have

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01:04:17,240 --> 01:04:20,760
Speaker 1: the utmost respect for you, and uh, everybody go over

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01:04:20,840 --> 01:04:23,400
Speaker 1: to the brand and sign up because this man knows

1102
01:04:23,400 --> 01:04:24,160
Speaker 1: what he's talking.

1103
01:04:23,920 --> 01:04:26,560
Speaker 2: About, and I will have their band give you my best.

1104
01:04:27,640 --> 01:04:30,360
Speaker 1: Thank you so much for coming on. Merry Christmas, Happy New.

1105
01:04:30,280 --> 01:04:32,760
Speaker 4: Year, and to thank you guys, have a great.

1106
01:04:34,400 --> 01:04:34,840
Speaker 2: Take care.

1107
01:04:36,360 --> 01:04:40,480
Speaker 1: He's look that that hour flew by, and there were

1108
01:04:41,240 --> 01:04:47,320
Speaker 1: so many things that he touched base on that I

1109
01:04:47,440 --> 01:04:49,800
Speaker 1: just feel like was groundbreaking.

1110
01:04:50,560 --> 01:04:52,919
Speaker 2: Got Oh I got a big one.

1111
01:04:53,560 --> 01:04:54,480
Speaker 1: You're marking it down.

1112
01:04:54,600 --> 01:04:57,480
Speaker 2: Oh I got a big one I got We also

1113
01:04:57,560 --> 01:04:59,360
Speaker 2: need a bro count, we need a bro counter.

1114
01:04:59,520 --> 01:05:03,640
Speaker 1: Yes, But I've always you know, I always see people

1115
01:05:03,720 --> 01:05:06,840
Speaker 1: pick at him, and I just always had the utmost

1116
01:05:06,880 --> 01:05:09,240
Speaker 1: respect for Vints because he tells it like it is.

1117
01:05:09,600 --> 01:05:11,640
Speaker 1: And again, you know they always say there's two sides

1118
01:05:11,680 --> 01:05:15,320
Speaker 1: to every story, mine, yours and the truth. Right, he

1119
01:05:15,440 --> 01:05:18,960
Speaker 1: just seems like he's just telling he doesn't care at

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01:05:18,960 --> 01:05:20,960
Speaker 1: this point, Like he said, what's he gonna lie about

1121
01:05:20,960 --> 01:05:24,080
Speaker 1: something that happened twenty thirty years ago, like, who cares?

1122
01:05:24,360 --> 01:05:27,280
Speaker 1: You know, you give your side and that's that and

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01:05:27,360 --> 01:05:31,439
Speaker 1: I respect that about him. He doesn't seem to care

1124
01:05:31,480 --> 01:05:34,520
Speaker 1: if he pisses anybody off by it either, you know. No,

1125
01:05:34,600 --> 01:05:37,520
Speaker 1: So he's very entertaining. To this day, he's.

1126
01:05:37,400 --> 01:05:37,760
Speaker 4: Still on it.

1127
01:05:37,840 --> 01:05:40,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, I remember, you know, growing up, you heard the name.

1128
01:05:41,400 --> 01:05:43,680
Speaker 2: You know, you heard he was Vic Venom who wrote

1129
01:05:43,680 --> 01:05:45,960
Speaker 2: in the magazine. You know, when he was on TV

1130
01:05:46,120 --> 01:05:50,040
Speaker 2: sometimes he did some commentary. You heard the first shoot

1131
01:05:50,040 --> 01:05:52,840
Speaker 2: interviews by Cornett where he buried him, so you got

1132
01:05:52,840 --> 01:05:55,600
Speaker 2: a perception of who he was, and then you heard

1133
01:05:55,640 --> 01:05:59,160
Speaker 2: the jump to WCW. He became an on air character

1134
01:05:59,480 --> 01:06:04,480
Speaker 2: and Bill this great heel persona that carried into what

1135
01:06:04,640 --> 01:06:08,520
Speaker 2: the real guy was. And until you can find out

1136
01:06:08,600 --> 01:06:13,480
Speaker 2: who the person is, people have still associated that perception

1137
01:06:13,600 --> 01:06:17,080
Speaker 2: from the nineties to what he is today and I

1138
01:06:17,280 --> 01:06:21,480
Speaker 2: can't fathom that now. Preparing for my first interview with

1139
01:06:21,560 --> 01:06:26,240
Speaker 2: him in twenty sixteen, that's where I started to really

1140
01:06:26,320 --> 01:06:31,080
Speaker 2: see who he was as a person and completely changed

1141
01:06:31,240 --> 01:06:33,720
Speaker 2: what I thought because I was like, Wow, this is

1142
01:06:33,840 --> 01:06:36,600
Speaker 2: a this is a completely different man.

1143
01:06:36,880 --> 01:06:37,880
Speaker 1: He's such a nice man.

1144
01:06:38,040 --> 01:06:40,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's a nice he's a family guy. I'm not

1145
01:06:40,800 --> 01:06:44,200
Speaker 2: even talking about the faith stuff and his beliefs. He's

1146
01:06:44,320 --> 01:06:48,240
Speaker 2: just a dedicated, hard working dude with a family who

1147
01:06:48,320 --> 01:06:51,280
Speaker 2: was dedicated to his craft and he just wants to

1148
01:06:51,360 --> 01:06:54,200
Speaker 2: put out a good product. And he's just been a

1149
01:06:54,280 --> 01:06:59,760
Speaker 2: complete misunderstood person in terms of his job. Now the

1150
01:07:00,040 --> 01:07:02,760
Speaker 2: heaves and stuff. I mean, it's easy to go after

1151
01:07:03,360 --> 01:07:06,240
Speaker 2: that kind of personality. So I have no dog in

1152
01:07:06,240 --> 01:07:08,480
Speaker 2: the fight as to who he's fighting with or whether

1153
01:07:08,840 --> 01:07:11,320
Speaker 2: he's right or wrong, or they're right or wrong. But

1154
01:07:12,240 --> 01:07:16,000
Speaker 2: it's it's.

1155
01:07:14,400 --> 01:07:17,720
Speaker 1: Interesting to hear his side, and he's a pison, so

1156
01:07:17,960 --> 01:07:19,840
Speaker 1: you know, I like that about him, and.

1157
01:07:19,760 --> 01:07:21,480
Speaker 2: I've always said I think that's a lot to do

1158
01:07:21,600 --> 01:07:24,280
Speaker 2: with the fact that he gets a lot of hate

1159
01:07:24,280 --> 01:07:24,600
Speaker 2: as well.

1160
01:07:25,440 --> 01:07:26,600
Speaker 1: Why because he's Italian.

1161
01:07:27,320 --> 01:07:30,360
Speaker 2: Just the New York aspect of it, it's very misunderstood.

1162
01:07:30,400 --> 01:07:32,600
Speaker 2: It can be taken the wrong way. Fish out of water.

1163
01:07:32,680 --> 01:07:35,360
Speaker 2: I'm in Virginia, I'm from New Jersey. It's a fish

1164
01:07:35,360 --> 01:07:37,080
Speaker 2: out of water. I can I get it.

1165
01:07:37,640 --> 01:07:40,440
Speaker 1: I didn't do any preparing for this, Like every question

1166
01:07:40,640 --> 01:07:43,480
Speaker 1: just popped in my head as we were speaking, and

1167
01:07:43,520 --> 01:07:45,640
Speaker 1: I'm glad I thought about the dark dark side of

1168
01:07:45,680 --> 01:07:47,840
Speaker 1: the Ring episode because like I said, as I was

1169
01:07:47,880 --> 01:07:50,800
Speaker 1: watching that, I'm like, man, they are double teaming him

1170
01:07:50,960 --> 01:07:54,360
Speaker 1: and just trying to destroy him, and that's what that

1171
01:07:54,480 --> 01:07:56,360
Speaker 1: show does. Like he even said it, you know he

1172
01:07:56,440 --> 01:07:57,840
Speaker 1: was blindsided the first time.

1173
01:07:57,920 --> 01:07:58,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, but it was.

1174
01:07:58,600 --> 01:08:01,920
Speaker 1: It's always interesting to get his take on things, so

1175
01:08:02,160 --> 01:08:06,160
Speaker 1: I always appreciate him coming on. So that was a

1176
01:08:06,280 --> 01:08:09,360
Speaker 1: very very good episode. I thought, they're all good on here.

1177
01:08:09,360 --> 01:08:11,520
Speaker 1: What can I say? We give you the best content

1178
01:08:11,560 --> 01:08:12,400
Speaker 1: out there.

1179
01:08:12,600 --> 01:08:15,120
Speaker 4: So I content hotness.

1180
01:08:15,280 --> 01:08:20,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, cizlin lit as the kids would say. But Chad,

1181
01:08:20,400 --> 01:08:22,320
Speaker 1: what do you got going on? How can people follow

1182
01:08:22,360 --> 01:08:23,200
Speaker 1: you on social media?

1183
01:08:23,680 --> 01:08:26,799
Speaker 2: You can follow me on X on Twitter at Chad

1184
01:08:26,800 --> 01:08:29,120
Speaker 2: E and B. You can go to my website is

1185
01:08:29,160 --> 01:08:34,559
Speaker 2: ibexclusives dot com, Instagram is at ib Exclusives. I just

1186
01:08:34,560 --> 01:08:37,639
Speaker 2: want to encourage everybody to head over to our YouTube

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Speaker 2: channel and grab a membership. Subscribe, subscribe, subscribe. I'll let

1188
01:08:42,400 --> 01:08:45,519
Speaker 2: you give the big pitch. But that's what the focus

1189
01:08:45,600 --> 01:08:49,200
Speaker 2: is right now. So yeah, that's all I have right now,

1190
01:08:49,240 --> 01:08:51,400
Speaker 2: but I'm sure there'll be more coming in the near future.

1191
01:08:51,439 --> 01:08:53,720
Speaker 2: The year is almost over, and I think, like you

1192
01:08:53,760 --> 01:08:56,200
Speaker 2: said earlier, twenty twenty four is going to be a

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01:08:56,280 --> 01:08:57,760
Speaker 2: huge year for both of us.

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Speaker 1: The YouTube has blown up or one video is almost

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Speaker 1: at twenty k, which is amazing. That's a million I

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Speaker 1: give my thoughts about you know, tell me Sitch sentencing

1197
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Speaker 1: and we're gonna probably hit twenty k within the next

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Speaker 1: couple hours on that one. But we need your support.

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Speaker 1: I want to get to ten k by the end

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Speaker 1: of the year. And it's amazing how many people watch

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Speaker 1: and are not subscribed. So go over to ecwdva freecceine,

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Speaker 1: you could just subscribe, that would mean the world to me.

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Speaker 1: And if you want to follow me on social media,

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Speaker 1: you can find me at ECWDVA Free Scene. I'm gonna

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Speaker 1: change my outro line. I hope you were staying safe.

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Speaker 1: I hope you were staying healthy, and most of all,

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Speaker 1: I hope you were saying streng