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Speaker 2: Greetings, folks, and welcome to Inside American Soccer. As you

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Speaker 2: can see, i am not Tom Boger. I'm Matt Doyle,

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Speaker 2: the armchair analyst for MLS. You may know me from

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Speaker 2: my columns at MLS soccer dot com and of course

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Speaker 2: the old podcast Extra Time, and I'll be filling in

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Speaker 2: for Tom for a few weeks because Tom and his

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Speaker 2: Congratulations to now all three of the Bogerts, including new

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Speaker 2: arrival three excuse me, THEO Thomas Boger. All three are

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Speaker 2: doing well, and I'm told that the Philadelphia Union have

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Speaker 2: I'm of course joined by tab Ramos, Tom's friend and

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Speaker 2: good friends, a great guest today, Marcelo Balboa, also a

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Speaker 3: Well, first of all, let me also welcome Marcelo on

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Speaker 3: also send a big congrats to to Tom obviously THEO

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Speaker 1: Listen one my pleasure, you know that, and I always

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Speaker 1: have a great time talking soccer with you. Good friend Tom. Congrats,

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Speaker 1: remember that homegrowns can be sold, so let's remember that.

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Speaker 2: So someone's gonna have to explain that to you life.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's okay. You know, there's a lot of soccer movement.

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Speaker 2: Marcello's best eleven for the US men's national team. It

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's hard to disagree with that, right, just the

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Speaker 2: And now thirty two years later, the Men's World Cup

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Speaker 1: Listen, times were different. Back when we played. We were desperate.

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Speaker 3: Now, you know, this is really interesting what you're saying, Marcelo,

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Speaker 3: And now we have a team with good players who

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Speaker 3: And just because of the investment that we've made and

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Speaker 2: So that would mean two knockout round victors. Remember this

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Speaker 2: Well, we're going to start to see it next month

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Speaker 1: You can't simulate a World Cup. You can't simulate a

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Speaker 1: But experimentation should have been done a while ago. I

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Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, for me, and I agree with all

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Speaker 3: You know, I think the national team is about you

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Speaker 3: get the best eleven players that you have at any

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Speaker 3: to win the Game's the That's the way I see

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Speaker 2: You know.

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Speaker 3: And the fact that in Jen, let's not forget that

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Speaker 3: We were still saying that five months ago. Now things

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Speaker 2: And if you're a fan, maybe get tickets to those

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Speaker 2: It's the most popular sport. This World Cup will be good,

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Speaker 2: We're not politicians. It's it's it's tough to see from

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Speaker 1: Yeah. Well, listen, we all have opinions. We're allowed to

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Speaker 4: That that monetary value of putting it and you can't

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Speaker 1: This is an affordable sport. And I get it. It's

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Speaker 3: I'm wondering though, as we mentioned before, you know, Tim

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Speaker 3: well he can afford the tickets, he doesn't need to

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Speaker 3: say that. Well, he does need to say that because

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Speaker 1: But that's different, isn't it. Now. Let's be honest, we

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Speaker 1: have social media, but it's whatever it is. Whatever it

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Speaker 1: is it is. But I like the fact that, you

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00:21:43,960 --> 00:21:46,199
Speaker 1: know what, he speaks his mind. There's nothing wrong with that.

432
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Speaker 1: We spoke our mind, but no one really heard it

433
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Speaker 1: because there wasn't social media. We couldn't put it out

434
00:21:50,680 --> 00:21:53,040
Speaker 1: there on Twitter, on Instagram or whatever is out there,

435
00:21:53,040 --> 00:21:55,440
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. So listen. I don't think

436
00:21:55,480 --> 00:21:58,000
Speaker 1: it's going to take away from his playing ability. He

437
00:21:58,040 --> 00:21:59,960
Speaker 1: knows his fricking job. He knows what he's there to do.

438
00:22:00,720 --> 00:22:03,280
Speaker 1: So I think it's good that he's connecting, like you said,

439
00:22:03,320 --> 00:22:07,440
Speaker 1: connecting with the fans. But he's saying things that other

440
00:22:07,480 --> 00:22:09,239
Speaker 1: people don't have avenue to say. And if they do

441
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Speaker 1: say it's not on a major platform. This is a

442
00:22:11,359 --> 00:22:14,200
Speaker 1: major platform. He made it very clear he's not happy,

443
00:22:14,240 --> 00:22:16,120
Speaker 1: and I tell you what, he's not the only one.

444
00:22:16,119 --> 00:22:18,240
Speaker 1: There's other players out there that are saying the same thing.

445
00:22:18,320 --> 00:22:19,360
Speaker 1: So good for him.

446
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Speaker 2: Yeah, and I think the fans have noticed. Hopefully this

447
00:22:23,040 --> 00:22:25,000
Speaker 2: ends up not being an issue between the player and

448
00:22:25,040 --> 00:22:27,320
Speaker 2: the coach. I don't think it will be, especially Tim

449
00:22:27,359 --> 00:22:29,160
Speaker 2: White has been playing pretty well He's going to play

450
00:22:29,200 --> 00:22:33,480
Speaker 2: his way into Pachettino's consideration for a starting position. I

451
00:22:33,480 --> 00:22:37,640
Speaker 2: would reckon another guy in consideration for a starting position,

452
00:22:38,000 --> 00:22:41,520
Speaker 2: Alex Freeman, who officially made his move to via Real.

453
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Speaker 2: The European transfer window has mostly closed at the time

454
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Speaker 2: we're recording this. I think Turkey is still open, so

455
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Speaker 2: there might be one or two moves headed to Turkey.

456
00:22:51,240 --> 00:22:55,080
Speaker 2: But Alex Freeman to Via Real this big move. It's

457
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Speaker 2: not something that I think. It's not something I expected

458
00:22:58,840 --> 00:23:02,080
Speaker 2: to get done in in January, because it was clear

459
00:23:02,440 --> 00:23:06,000
Speaker 2: from his play with Orlando City that he was already

460
00:23:06,040 --> 00:23:08,880
Speaker 2: in the mix. And now he goes into a new

461
00:23:08,920 --> 00:23:11,359
Speaker 2: situation with a team that does a good job of

462
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Speaker 2: developing players, good job of putting players in a position

463
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Speaker 2: to succeed, clearly appreciates We'll call it an MLS archetype

464
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Speaker 2: of player. Because they went out and they bought Taniela

465
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Speaker 2: Ashey and they've brought in Tejon Buchanan. I think they

466
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Speaker 2: actually have a need at right back. Via Real does

467
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Speaker 2: so potentially Alex Freeman walks into this lineup.

468
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Speaker 3: Uh yeah, if I could go first on that, yeah,

469
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Speaker 3: via Real and I've watched him play a lot. They've

470
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Speaker 3: been rotating a lot between Navarro and Mourinho on that

471
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Speaker 3: right side, and what happened with them last week in

472
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Speaker 3: a game, and we mentioned in the show last week

473
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Speaker 3: because it had just happened one fot the Argentinian defender

474
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Speaker 3: had just gotten injured. So I think, although I'm not

475
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Speaker 3: a big supporter of, you know, of that middle of

476
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Speaker 3: the year transfer in particular for young players because inevitably

477
00:24:00,680 --> 00:24:03,080
Speaker 3: every coach is under pressure and the young players are

478
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Speaker 3: going to get pushed aside, I think in this case

479
00:24:05,840 --> 00:24:08,080
Speaker 3: it's a very good move for him because he gets

480
00:24:08,080 --> 00:24:11,840
Speaker 3: a he likely will have an opportunity to compete directly

481
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Speaker 3: with someone on the right side, which will likely be Mourinho,

482
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Speaker 3: and I think he will beat Mourinho out for that

483
00:24:18,280 --> 00:24:20,919
Speaker 3: spot and be able to play behind bu Kennan. And

484
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Speaker 3: I think those two together could create a lot of

485
00:24:23,560 --> 00:24:26,080
Speaker 3: havoc in this Spanish league. I really do. And I

486
00:24:26,119 --> 00:24:30,400
Speaker 3: hope that, if anything, this makes Alex Freeman a lot

487
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Speaker 3: better between now in June.

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Speaker 1: I'll leave it up to tap Tab watches Spain. He

489
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Speaker 1: played in Spain. He watched it a little bit more.

490
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Speaker 1: But here's my take. If you're going to make a move,

491
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Speaker 1: You've got to be making a move where you're going

492
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Speaker 1: to start. If you're making a move right now at

493
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Speaker 1: this point of the season, where you're going to be

494
00:24:46,920 --> 00:24:48,720
Speaker 1: getting a game here, a game there, and you're not

495
00:24:48,720 --> 00:24:52,199
Speaker 1: playing consistently, you're taking yourself and you're putting yourself in

496
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Speaker 1: a position where a Pochetino could take you off his radar. Okay,

497
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Speaker 1: so that's my big I love the move. I think

498
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Speaker 1: it's a great move, and I'm a big fan of

499
00:25:00,160 --> 00:25:03,840
Speaker 1: players always getting transferred to Europe South America League on

500
00:25:03,920 --> 00:25:07,040
Speaker 1: mekis as long as you're going to play and you

501
00:25:07,080 --> 00:25:10,480
Speaker 1: play consistently, because this time of year there's no room

502
00:25:10,520 --> 00:25:13,359
Speaker 1: for error. You play one game, you don't play the

503
00:25:13,400 --> 00:25:15,679
Speaker 1: next five. You play one game. Look at Musa and

504
00:25:15,720 --> 00:25:18,240
Speaker 1: what's happened to Musa on this national team. He's made

505
00:25:18,240 --> 00:25:20,560
Speaker 1: some wrong decisions on teams and where does he say?

506
00:25:20,880 --> 00:25:23,000
Speaker 1: We don't even talk about him, but five years ago

507
00:25:23,680 --> 00:25:27,240
Speaker 1: he was like the man on the midfield. So for Freeman,

508
00:25:27,440 --> 00:25:29,280
Speaker 1: I think he will make the World Cup team. I

509
00:25:29,320 --> 00:25:31,399
Speaker 1: think he is a good player that can play that

510
00:25:31,480 --> 00:25:35,000
Speaker 1: third center back or that wing back. I just hope

511
00:25:35,040 --> 00:25:38,760
Speaker 1: that the move is solidified by him. Getting to play

512
00:25:38,880 --> 00:25:43,560
Speaker 1: consistently mint consistent minutes. So it's an easier decision for Bugetino.

513
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Speaker 1: You don't want to make it. You don't want to

514
00:25:45,080 --> 00:25:47,080
Speaker 1: make it very difficult right now for Bugetino if you're

515
00:25:47,119 --> 00:25:47,480
Speaker 1: not playing.

516
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Speaker 2: Yeah, a move that didn't happen. Ricardo Peppy. Fulham bid

517
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Speaker 2: a reported thirty seven million euros for Ricardo Peppy and PSV,

518
00:25:59,400 --> 00:26:02,080
Speaker 2: who've done really good business in the past couple of

519
00:26:02,080 --> 00:26:04,880
Speaker 2: transfer windows and who are swimming in a little bit

520
00:26:04,920 --> 00:26:08,520
Speaker 2: more cash than usual because of that and because they've

521
00:26:08,560 --> 00:26:11,959
Speaker 2: done well in the Champions League. They said no, and

522
00:26:12,000 --> 00:26:15,040
Speaker 2: that shocked me because Ricardo Peppy, he's a really good

523
00:26:15,160 --> 00:26:20,000
Speaker 2: goal scorer. In the past three years for PSV, he's

524
00:26:20,040 --> 00:26:24,520
Speaker 2: gone ninety thirteen times, so he's not a regular ninety

525
00:26:24,600 --> 00:26:27,760
Speaker 2: minute player for them by any stretch. He's also never

526
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Speaker 2: scored against Dax, never scored against yan Art, never scored

527
00:26:31,760 --> 00:26:34,680
Speaker 2: against Azed, so he he is a guy who beats

528
00:26:34,800 --> 00:26:39,240
Speaker 2: up on the smaller teams in the Netherlands, which is

529
00:26:39,280 --> 00:26:41,760
Speaker 2: not saying that's all he can do, but that is

530
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Speaker 2: all he has done so far. So I was surprised

531
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Speaker 2: that Fulham bid the amount that they did and that

532
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Speaker 2: PSV rejected it and oh yeah, he's going to be

533
00:26:52,119 --> 00:26:54,800
Speaker 2: out for another six weeks. He hasn't broken arm. So

534
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Speaker 2: this one was kind of baffling to me that it

535
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Speaker 2: didn't happen for Ricardo pept.

536
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Speaker 1: I think it's Ernie Steward right at PSV YEP, So

537
00:27:04,800 --> 00:27:05,880
Speaker 1: Ernie Ernie must have.

538
00:27:06,040 --> 00:27:08,320
Speaker 2: Wouldn't I wouldn't want to play poker against that man.

539
00:27:08,440 --> 00:27:11,920
Speaker 1: No, No, I would not. Like I said, Ernie knows

540
00:27:11,960 --> 00:27:14,480
Speaker 1: what he's doing if he thinks there's more value out there.

541
00:27:14,480 --> 00:27:17,280
Speaker 1: Obviously he feels there's more on the table for Peppy

542
00:27:17,480 --> 00:27:23,160
Speaker 1: than thirty seven million. But I guess I'm a firm

543
00:27:23,200 --> 00:27:26,359
Speaker 1: believer when being an ex player, when you have a player,

544
00:27:26,400 --> 00:27:28,600
Speaker 1: when a team comes in from England and they're offering

545
00:27:28,600 --> 00:27:32,159
Speaker 1: you that kind of money, let him go, let him,

546
00:27:32,240 --> 00:27:35,000
Speaker 1: let him challenge himself, let him play with thirty seven million.

547
00:27:35,040 --> 00:27:38,360
Speaker 1: I'm sure you can go find yourself another forward. He's

548
00:27:38,400 --> 00:27:42,720
Speaker 1: not a starter, consistent starter. Yeah, I don't know. I,

549
00:27:43,520 --> 00:27:45,320
Speaker 1: like I said, I always look at the player side

550
00:27:45,320 --> 00:27:47,280
Speaker 1: of you, and I love to see players get to play.

551
00:27:47,280 --> 00:27:50,160
Speaker 1: Everybody Listen, we all talk about everybody wants to play

552
00:27:50,160 --> 00:27:53,240
Speaker 1: in the EPL everybody wants to go playing the EPL.

553
00:27:54,600 --> 00:27:56,720
Speaker 1: And when you have an opportunity to sell a player

554
00:27:56,760 --> 00:27:58,639
Speaker 1: for more than you bought him, a lot more than

555
00:27:58,640 --> 00:28:02,679
Speaker 1: you bought him, I think that that opportunity that windows

556
00:28:02,680 --> 00:28:05,360
Speaker 1: should be given to that player. But I also understand

557
00:28:05,400 --> 00:28:07,600
Speaker 1: that you have to protect your team. You have to

558
00:28:07,600 --> 00:28:09,920
Speaker 1: do what's best for your team. And knowing Ernie Steward

559
00:28:09,960 --> 00:28:12,040
Speaker 1: a long time, just like Tab. You know Tab and

560
00:28:12,160 --> 00:28:15,360
Speaker 1: Ernie connection. We all know that about Columbia. So yeah,

561
00:28:15,400 --> 00:28:21,480
Speaker 1: who thank god we needed that second goal God. But now, listen,

562
00:28:21,840 --> 00:28:24,160
Speaker 1: Ernie's a smart guy. Ernie knows what he's doing. And

563
00:28:24,359 --> 00:28:26,159
Speaker 1: if Ernie's not letting him go, he's letting him not

564
00:28:26,240 --> 00:28:27,440
Speaker 1: letting him go for a certain reason.

565
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Speaker 3: Yeah. For I'll start by giving a lot of credit

566
00:28:32,640 --> 00:28:36,320
Speaker 3: to the Peppi camp, right, because you know, normally when

567
00:28:36,400 --> 00:28:40,040
Speaker 3: these things come in and a big club comes in

568
00:28:40,200 --> 00:28:42,840
Speaker 3: for you and you have an opportunity to go play

569
00:28:42,840 --> 00:28:45,960
Speaker 3: in the in the world's best league, the first thing

570
00:28:46,000 --> 00:28:48,000
Speaker 3: that's gonna happen is you're gonna come out and you're

571
00:28:48,000 --> 00:28:50,400
Speaker 3: gonna say, yeah, I want this to happen, and you're

572
00:28:50,440 --> 00:28:52,600
Speaker 3: gonna go to the club office and knock on the

573
00:28:52,640 --> 00:28:55,240
Speaker 3: door and say get me out of here because it's

574
00:28:55,240 --> 00:28:58,240
Speaker 3: a great chance for me. And then either your agent

575
00:28:58,400 --> 00:29:00,600
Speaker 3: or your dad or somebody's going to be on the

576
00:29:00,680 --> 00:29:04,880
Speaker 3: press saying we're leaving, We're out of here. And that didn't.

577
00:29:04,960 --> 00:29:07,600
Speaker 3: None of that happen, and I think I want to

578
00:29:07,640 --> 00:29:09,440
Speaker 3: give a lot of credit for that. There was very

579
00:29:09,560 --> 00:29:13,040
Speaker 3: little noise, a little bit, but very little noise coming

580
00:29:13,040 --> 00:29:15,239
Speaker 3: out of the Peppy camp. And I think that's just

581
00:29:15,280 --> 00:29:19,360
Speaker 3: such a good sign of the relationship that Peppy has

582
00:29:19,400 --> 00:29:22,520
Speaker 3: with his club. And I think that's great. And the

583
00:29:22,560 --> 00:29:25,479
Speaker 3: next thing is, you know, at this point, I have

584
00:29:25,560 --> 00:29:28,160
Speaker 3: to trust one hundred percent that Ernie Stewart knows a

585
00:29:28,200 --> 00:29:31,360
Speaker 3: lot more than I do. And you know, Ernie Stewart

586
00:29:31,520 --> 00:29:33,920
Speaker 3: was able to hold off for Tillman and got over

587
00:29:34,040 --> 00:29:37,320
Speaker 3: what forty million for Tillman, which I never would have

588
00:29:37,400 --> 00:29:39,720
Speaker 3: thought that could have happened either. Not that he doesn't

589
00:29:39,760 --> 00:29:42,040
Speaker 3: deserve it, by the way, but that's a lot of

590
00:29:42,120 --> 00:29:44,560
Speaker 3: money for a player that's not going to come in

591
00:29:44,600 --> 00:29:47,280
Speaker 3: and just turn you know, that team over right away.

592
00:29:47,920 --> 00:29:50,880
Speaker 3: I thought personally that the thirty two million offer from

593
00:29:50,920 --> 00:29:54,680
Speaker 3: before was an offer to take already. But you know,

594
00:29:54,840 --> 00:29:58,000
Speaker 3: but Ernie decided that thirty seven even is not good enough.

595
00:29:58,040 --> 00:30:00,720
Speaker 3: So so you know what, at this point, I think

596
00:30:00,720 --> 00:30:03,640
Speaker 3: if you're if you're on the board of PSV, you

597
00:30:03,760 --> 00:30:06,480
Speaker 3: have to trust Earnie one hundred percent, and I think

598
00:30:06,520 --> 00:30:08,840
Speaker 3: something will likely get done after It's a big risk,

599
00:30:09,240 --> 00:30:11,680
Speaker 3: but likely something will happen after the World Cup.

600
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Speaker 2: Yeah. My hope for Ricardo Peppi is that he actually

601
00:30:15,600 --> 00:30:18,800
Speaker 2: gets healthy, he stays healthy, he wins that job with

602
00:30:18,920 --> 00:30:25,080
Speaker 2: PSV full time, and can play his way into Pochettino's

603
00:30:25,160 --> 00:30:27,640
Speaker 2: roster because right now I think he's on the outside

604
00:30:27,640 --> 00:30:30,160
Speaker 2: looking in if you look at it, he just he

605
00:30:30,160 --> 00:30:32,560
Speaker 2: hasn't played that much for POJET. When he came into

606
00:30:32,600 --> 00:30:35,320
Speaker 2: the last camp, he only played fifteen minutes versus Paraguay,

607
00:30:35,600 --> 00:30:38,280
Speaker 2: kind of got manhandled physically, and then didn't play at

608
00:30:38,320 --> 00:30:42,360
Speaker 2: all against Uruguay in that five to one win. That

609
00:30:42,520 --> 00:30:46,240
Speaker 2: told me something about the way maybe he's perceived, and

610
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Speaker 2: he's gonna have to score a bunch of goals and

611
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Speaker 2: he's gonna have to put in some real performances once

612
00:30:50,800 --> 00:30:54,680
Speaker 2: he gets healthy, I think to change Pochettino's mind. Fingers

613
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Speaker 2: cross it happens, because I do think he's the most

614
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Speaker 2: natural goalscorer among the US. Number nine one of the.

615
00:31:01,040 --> 00:31:04,440
Speaker 1: Transfer how easy is it for a coach? And Tabnos

616
00:31:04,600 --> 00:31:07,600
Speaker 1: was of Vieergen. You find a s goal scorer in

617
00:31:07,640 --> 00:31:09,640
Speaker 1: the last two months of the season, this scores five

618
00:31:09,720 --> 00:31:11,680
Speaker 1: or six goals. He's on a run. He's on your team.

619
00:31:12,000 --> 00:31:15,840
Speaker 1: We saw Hercules Gomez pull that off with with his group,

620
00:31:15,920 --> 00:31:18,080
Speaker 1: and he's got hot. At the end of the season,

621
00:31:18,120 --> 00:31:20,520
Speaker 1: he scored some goals. He's on the World Cup team.

622
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Speaker 1: So all Peppy's got to do is come back, score

623
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Speaker 1: a few goals and all of a sudden you open

624
00:31:25,240 --> 00:31:25,880
Speaker 1: people's eyes.

625
00:31:26,400 --> 00:31:30,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's one stat. Nobody will ignore. One other bit

626
00:31:30,800 --> 00:31:33,040
Speaker 2: of transfer news that I wanted to get your guys

627
00:31:33,080 --> 00:31:37,200
Speaker 2: takes on obed Vargas from the Sounders to Atletico Madrid.

628
00:31:37,960 --> 00:31:41,479
Speaker 2: Obed Vargas is in my you know, a triumph of

629
00:31:41,760 --> 00:31:44,920
Speaker 2: the American developmental program. He came through the ranks. The

630
00:31:44,960 --> 00:31:47,880
Speaker 2: Sounders got him on the field at sixteen in Cockacat

631
00:31:47,960 --> 00:31:51,280
Speaker 2: Champions League final, which they won, which no other MLS

632
00:31:51,360 --> 00:31:54,240
Speaker 2: team has done in the modern version of it. He

633
00:31:54,360 --> 00:31:58,880
Speaker 2: was excellent in the league's cup final against Lionel Messi.

634
00:31:58,920 --> 00:32:01,800
Speaker 2: In that inter Miami t and he filed a one

635
00:32:01,800 --> 00:32:05,880
Speaker 2: time switch to play for Mexico. He played really well

636
00:32:05,960 --> 00:32:09,400
Speaker 2: in these latest friendlies for Mexico. He's probably going to

637
00:32:09,400 --> 00:32:12,640
Speaker 2: the World Cup, even though the same concerns about that

638
00:32:12,880 --> 00:32:15,480
Speaker 2: mid season switch. Is he going to get enough playing time?

639
00:32:16,040 --> 00:32:18,440
Speaker 2: It looks like he's going to be in the World

640
00:32:18,480 --> 00:32:23,000
Speaker 2: Cup roster for l Tree. Anyway. There are two sides

641
00:32:23,040 --> 00:32:26,320
Speaker 2: of this. There's like, Okay, the US is developing really

642
00:32:26,360 --> 00:32:31,320
Speaker 2: good players like Brian Gutierres as well and Richie Ledesma,

643
00:32:31,360 --> 00:32:34,760
Speaker 2: a player that Tad had with the U twenties. Who

644
00:32:35,000 --> 00:32:39,040
Speaker 2: are they have the choice, and more and more of them,

645
00:32:39,080 --> 00:32:44,320
Speaker 2: it seems, are choosing Mexico. Is that a sign that

646
00:32:44,720 --> 00:32:47,959
Speaker 2: the US developmental program has sort of turned a corner

647
00:32:48,560 --> 00:32:52,120
Speaker 2: or is it a sign that this is like a

648
00:32:52,160 --> 00:32:55,680
Speaker 2: looming catastrophe because we're starting to lose players like this

649
00:32:55,840 --> 00:32:56,560
Speaker 2: on the regular.

650
00:32:57,120 --> 00:33:00,240
Speaker 1: Oh, Beed Vargas came to Colorado who was fourteen. He

651
00:33:00,240 --> 00:33:03,040
Speaker 1: almost played for US. It was either US or Seattle,

652
00:33:03,640 --> 00:33:06,440
Speaker 1: and they chose Seattle with his parents because Seattle is

653
00:33:06,520 --> 00:33:08,400
Speaker 1: much closer to Alaska and they can go see their

654
00:33:08,440 --> 00:33:11,160
Speaker 1: son play all the time. So we had an interest

655
00:33:11,200 --> 00:33:15,080
Speaker 1: in this kid. And you could see it at fourteen

656
00:33:15,160 --> 00:33:17,280
Speaker 1: that he was different than the kids we had when

657
00:33:17,280 --> 00:33:19,560
Speaker 1: he came and trained with us, and Seattle said the

658
00:33:19,600 --> 00:33:22,520
Speaker 1: same thing. So this is a good player. This is

659
00:33:22,560 --> 00:33:27,240
Speaker 1: a very good player. My concern again, now you knew

660
00:33:27,280 --> 00:33:29,600
Speaker 1: this move was coming, that we heard about it last year,

661
00:33:29,640 --> 00:33:32,560
Speaker 1: that there were five or six European teams that were

662
00:33:32,600 --> 00:33:37,280
Speaker 1: after him. Great move. I don't think it matters as

663
00:33:37,440 --> 00:33:42,120
Speaker 1: much at Mexico right now because they're they're still experimenting,

664
00:33:42,120 --> 00:33:45,680
Speaker 1: it looks like, with players and stuff. But yeah, he is.

665
00:33:45,840 --> 00:33:49,080
Speaker 1: He is a very talented player. He is a player

666
00:33:49,240 --> 00:33:52,600
Speaker 1: who will be with the Mexican national team for a

667
00:33:52,720 --> 00:33:56,440
Speaker 1: very long time. Are we developing players? Yes, When you

668
00:33:56,480 --> 00:33:58,440
Speaker 1: look at the US now and you look at Mexico,

669
00:33:58,520 --> 00:34:00,480
Speaker 1: you look at where am I going to have longevity?

670
00:34:00,560 --> 00:34:03,040
Speaker 1: Where can I make an impact? And a guy like

671
00:34:03,160 --> 00:34:06,520
Speaker 1: Vargas I think made the right move because I just

672
00:34:06,560 --> 00:34:08,600
Speaker 1: don't see him being brought in right now, you know

673
00:34:08,600 --> 00:34:10,280
Speaker 1: what I mean. And he probably looked at that roster

674
00:34:10,360 --> 00:34:12,480
Speaker 1: and saying, Okay, I can go help be a part

675
00:34:12,520 --> 00:34:15,279
Speaker 1: of something that's going to be a change, and I

676
00:34:15,320 --> 00:34:17,239
Speaker 1: think he took it that way. Plus his mom and

677
00:34:17,280 --> 00:34:20,759
Speaker 1: dad the heritage of being Mexican and how much he

678
00:34:20,840 --> 00:34:24,000
Speaker 1: wanted to play for Mexico and what it meant to

679
00:34:24,040 --> 00:34:28,000
Speaker 1: mom and dad also too. So I get the switch,

680
00:34:28,680 --> 00:34:31,440
Speaker 1: but I feel like we're letting a lot of players

681
00:34:31,640 --> 00:34:34,120
Speaker 1: slip through our fingers right now, and I think that

682
00:34:34,160 --> 00:34:36,200
Speaker 1: could be a problem in the long run, because this

683
00:34:36,320 --> 00:34:39,760
Speaker 1: group is very close in age in the United States,

684
00:34:40,320 --> 00:34:43,440
Speaker 1: and when they start getting at a certain age, are

685
00:34:43,440 --> 00:34:45,440
Speaker 1: we going to hit that wall again like we did

686
00:34:45,440 --> 00:34:48,359
Speaker 1: in twenty eighteen, where we take this veteran team too

687
00:34:48,400 --> 00:34:51,400
Speaker 1: far and then there's too big of a gap behind it.

688
00:34:51,440 --> 00:34:54,960
Speaker 1: It takes us a full four years to recoup that.

689
00:34:54,960 --> 00:34:56,759
Speaker 1: That's starting to worry me a little bit because we're

690
00:34:56,800 --> 00:34:59,680
Speaker 1: letting a lot of good players slide through our fingers.

691
00:34:59,719 --> 00:35:02,560
Speaker 1: Younger players that are in their low twenties twenty one,

692
00:35:02,680 --> 00:35:05,640
Speaker 1: twenty two kind of slip through our fingers right now

693
00:35:05,680 --> 00:35:07,840
Speaker 1: that should be part of the US national team.

694
00:35:08,520 --> 00:35:11,720
Speaker 3: Yeah, from a national team standpoint, it's it's it's actually

695
00:35:11,800 --> 00:35:14,239
Speaker 3: a good problem to have, right because you know, you're

696
00:35:14,400 --> 00:35:17,879
Speaker 3: Obed Vargas, You're you're a good player, and yet you're

697
00:35:17,920 --> 00:35:21,680
Speaker 3: looking at the depth chart of our the center of

698
00:35:21,800 --> 00:35:25,279
Speaker 3: midfield and you're really not necessarily seeing a way in,

699
00:35:26,239 --> 00:35:29,040
Speaker 3: so from a national team standpoint, that is a good sign.

700
00:35:29,320 --> 00:35:32,880
Speaker 2: Yeah. Nice story too, because Atletico Madrid were his favorite

701
00:35:32,880 --> 00:35:35,080
Speaker 2: team growing up, and you don't see that a lot.

702
00:35:35,160 --> 00:35:37,120
Speaker 2: Usually if it's a La Lega team, it's either Real

703
00:35:37,160 --> 00:35:41,600
Speaker 2: Madrid or Barcelona. So as a dream move for obed Vargas,

704
00:35:41,840 --> 00:35:44,760
Speaker 2: it has been fun to talk through that transfer window

705
00:35:44,760 --> 00:35:47,440
Speaker 2: and look at how the Sounders have operated. And for us,

706
00:35:47,480 --> 00:35:49,399
Speaker 2: it's time for a break. We're gonna be right back.

707
00:35:49,680 --> 00:35:52,920
Speaker 2: We'll get into Marcellos starting eleven for the US men's

708
00:35:53,000 --> 00:35:56,880
Speaker 2: national team. We'll talk some tactics as well. Please rate, review,

709
00:35:57,080 --> 00:36:01,120
Speaker 2: and subscribe to Inside American Soccer with Tom Boger and

710
00:36:01,200 --> 00:36:15,640
Speaker 2: tab Ramos wherever you get your podcasts. All right, welcome

711
00:36:15,680 --> 00:36:19,520
Speaker 2: back to Inside American Soccer. I'm here with tab Ramos

712
00:36:19,560 --> 00:36:24,200
Speaker 2: and Marcello Balboa and Cello, you know, the drill man.

713
00:36:24,400 --> 00:36:26,560
Speaker 2: You come on this show, you gotta be ready with

714
00:36:27,080 --> 00:36:30,640
Speaker 2: your starting eleven for the US men's bag team for

715
00:36:30,680 --> 00:36:32,680
Speaker 2: the World Cup. This guy did his homework. That's a

716
00:36:32,719 --> 00:36:34,640
Speaker 2: San Diego State education right now.

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00:36:34,560 --> 00:36:37,120
Speaker 1: You know. Yeah, that's it. We'll leave it at that.

718
00:36:37,160 --> 00:36:38,880
Speaker 1: I went to school with Winoald can I can I

719
00:36:38,960 --> 00:36:41,319
Speaker 1: leave it at that? So we were roommates. I'll leave

720
00:36:41,320 --> 00:36:43,919
Speaker 1: it at that. And I just saw him the other

721
00:36:44,000 --> 00:36:47,399
Speaker 1: day this weekend and he's still Eric Winalda. I love it.

722
00:36:47,920 --> 00:36:50,920
Speaker 1: I love it, so all right, I'm gonna I. I

723
00:36:50,960 --> 00:36:54,240
Speaker 1: wanted to put Turnering gold, but I just watching Freeze

724
00:36:54,239 --> 00:36:55,960
Speaker 1: over the last year. I got to put Freeze in

725
00:36:55,960 --> 00:36:59,560
Speaker 1: the back back three. It will be a fluid three. Four.

726
00:36:59,640 --> 00:37:03,319
Speaker 1: We all know that goes Tim Ree and Richards and

727
00:37:04,680 --> 00:37:08,719
Speaker 1: I'm still in between between Miles, Robinson and McKenzie. I'm

728
00:37:08,800 --> 00:37:10,480
Speaker 1: kind of you know, I mean, I would love to

729
00:37:10,480 --> 00:37:12,720
Speaker 1: play Freeman in that spot, but I haven't seen him play,

730
00:37:13,000 --> 00:37:16,640
Speaker 1: so for now I have McKenzie. Four In the mid

731
00:37:16,840 --> 00:37:22,719
Speaker 1: is Robinson, Adams, don't laugh, Tessaman and desk Beck. I

732
00:37:22,840 --> 00:37:26,839
Speaker 1: want a big, strong presence in there to attacking midfielders

733
00:37:26,880 --> 00:37:29,960
Speaker 1: because you know, Weston's been playing a little higher and

734
00:37:29,960 --> 00:37:32,320
Speaker 1: he's been scoring goals. I want to see him alongside

735
00:37:32,400 --> 00:37:38,359
Speaker 1: Christian and Bullegan up top. So that's what I want.

736
00:37:38,360 --> 00:37:40,680
Speaker 1: A solid mid and I think with Tessaman and Adams

737
00:37:41,000 --> 00:37:43,960
Speaker 1: and that back three, it's kind of nice and solid,

738
00:37:44,000 --> 00:37:46,839
Speaker 1: you know, big, strong, presence along with Adams who leads

739
00:37:46,840 --> 00:37:49,880
Speaker 1: that group. And then I just want to see Weston,

740
00:37:50,400 --> 00:37:53,400
Speaker 1: Weston McKinney just higher up the pitch, just closer to

741
00:37:53,480 --> 00:37:56,240
Speaker 1: goal after the way he's playing right now, playing almost

742
00:37:56,320 --> 00:37:58,600
Speaker 1: as that nine faults nine, whatever you want to go with.

743
00:37:59,239 --> 00:38:02,200
Speaker 1: And that's that's my eleven. Go tear it out.

744
00:38:02,320 --> 00:38:05,080
Speaker 3: No, Well, I mean I just have some questions. You

745
00:38:05,120 --> 00:38:08,200
Speaker 3: know I've given my eleven plenty of times on this show.

746
00:38:08,560 --> 00:38:10,799
Speaker 3: I was just wondering how you would set up the

747
00:38:10,840 --> 00:38:13,359
Speaker 3: back three. So those back three, because this is why

748
00:38:13,360 --> 00:38:16,160
Speaker 3: I want to ask the question, because normally, for me,

749
00:38:17,000 --> 00:38:21,759
Speaker 3: no team can can really be good unless your your

750
00:38:21,880 --> 00:38:25,080
Speaker 3: your your center backs, and your goalkeeper. They have to

751
00:38:25,120 --> 00:38:27,800
Speaker 3: be set right. So we've had the difficulty over the

752
00:38:27,880 --> 00:38:30,400
Speaker 3: last let's say a couple of years with the goalkeeping situation,

753
00:38:30,600 --> 00:38:32,520
Speaker 3: and you know, one coming in, one coming out. But

754
00:38:32,600 --> 00:38:35,440
Speaker 3: now it seems like Freeze is there. He's done a

755
00:38:35,440 --> 00:38:38,879
Speaker 3: good job. There's nothing he has done that would tell

756
00:38:38,920 --> 00:38:41,440
Speaker 3: any of us that Putchatino would take him out. Why

757
00:38:41,520 --> 00:38:44,600
Speaker 3: would you do that? He's played well, he's delivered for you,

758
00:38:44,840 --> 00:38:47,920
Speaker 3: and now he has played i think the last twelve

759
00:38:47,960 --> 00:38:50,600
Speaker 3: games in a row. He has the experience with the team.

760
00:38:51,000 --> 00:38:53,000
Speaker 3: He's on his way. So now when you look at

761
00:38:53,000 --> 00:38:55,920
Speaker 3: what's in front of him, which is the backbone of

762
00:38:55,960 --> 00:38:58,120
Speaker 3: the team. And obviously I agree with you on the

763
00:38:58,280 --> 00:39:00,879
Speaker 3: on the Adams and testament, so you have that part.

764
00:39:00,920 --> 00:39:04,360
Speaker 3: But the center backs, how would you know, how do

765
00:39:04,400 --> 00:39:07,319
Speaker 3: you position those three guys? Who is where? If we're

766
00:39:07,320 --> 00:39:09,160
Speaker 3: thinking this three guys there.

767
00:39:09,800 --> 00:39:12,080
Speaker 1: Listen, Tim's obviously left footage. You got to put him

768
00:39:12,080 --> 00:39:13,880
Speaker 1: on the left, you know, I mean, you put him

769
00:39:13,880 --> 00:39:16,480
Speaker 1: next to Robinson. So that kind of matchup, that full

770
00:39:16,520 --> 00:39:19,600
Speaker 1: of matchup is kind of already there. For me, Richard

771
00:39:19,680 --> 00:39:22,560
Speaker 1: has to play the middle and then McKenzie. And that's

772
00:39:22,560 --> 00:39:24,799
Speaker 1: what I'm saying, the McKenzie one. For me, it's either

773
00:39:24,840 --> 00:39:28,440
Speaker 1: McKenzie or Miles Robinson, one of those two, whatever pairing,

774
00:39:28,640 --> 00:39:34,200
Speaker 1: and we'll see this March. I just feel like Richard

775
00:39:34,239 --> 00:39:36,040
Speaker 1: has to be the leader. He's got to be the vocal,

776
00:39:36,080 --> 00:39:38,440
Speaker 1: he's got to be the guy that organizes. He can

777
00:39:38,480 --> 00:39:41,279
Speaker 1: be the guy that can cover either let's just say

778
00:39:41,320 --> 00:39:43,920
Speaker 1: it's McKenzie, or he can cover Tim with his speed

779
00:39:43,920 --> 00:39:46,200
Speaker 1: getting it behind. He reads the game well for me,

780
00:39:46,880 --> 00:39:49,320
Speaker 1: and so that's why I have him in the middle,

781
00:39:49,440 --> 00:39:51,600
Speaker 1: so he can make up a lot of if Tim

782
00:39:51,600 --> 00:39:53,920
Speaker 1: Bream gets beat because of speed, he can get there

783
00:39:53,960 --> 00:39:59,040
Speaker 1: and cover. So listen, I like a back five just

784
00:39:59,080 --> 00:40:01,480
Speaker 1: because when we defend, you've got you're blocking all the

785
00:40:01,560 --> 00:40:04,840
Speaker 1: zones possible between Robinson and Desk and three center backs

786
00:40:05,120 --> 00:40:07,399
Speaker 1: too strong. And you know, in a World Cup it's

787
00:40:07,400 --> 00:40:08,960
Speaker 1: the same thing. A team gets the ball, the other

788
00:40:09,000 --> 00:40:12,000
Speaker 1: team drops into their mid block or low block, they defend,

789
00:40:12,000 --> 00:40:14,040
Speaker 1: they win it, the other team drops at the counter.

790
00:40:14,160 --> 00:40:18,640
Speaker 1: So yeah, I just feel like, for me, the key

791
00:40:18,719 --> 00:40:20,440
Speaker 1: to this whole thing, it's always the same. It's the

792
00:40:20,480 --> 00:40:23,279
Speaker 1: guy in the middle. How well does Richard's lead, how

793
00:40:23,280 --> 00:40:26,920
Speaker 1: well does he organize? How well can he cover behind

794
00:40:27,040 --> 00:40:30,560
Speaker 1: McKenzie or behind Tim Reim? Can Tim Reim cover where

795
00:40:30,600 --> 00:40:33,360
Speaker 1: Desk go? So it just kind of little blocks that

796
00:40:33,560 --> 00:40:38,360
Speaker 1: fit quite nicely right now, except for the McKenzie mouse Robinson,

797
00:40:38,400 --> 00:40:39,920
Speaker 1: that's the only one I got, to be honest, I

798
00:40:39,920 --> 00:40:42,320
Speaker 1: even thought about putting Testament back there, you know what

799
00:40:42,320 --> 00:40:44,279
Speaker 1: I mean. But because he's played a little bit of

800
00:40:44,280 --> 00:40:47,400
Speaker 1: center back, but I like him and Adams in the midfield.

801
00:40:47,440 --> 00:40:49,640
Speaker 1: I think that when you talk about a World Cup

802
00:40:49,640 --> 00:40:52,000
Speaker 1: and you want to be successful, you got to have

803
00:40:52,080 --> 00:40:54,239
Speaker 1: two guys in the midfield who are very strong, they

804
00:40:54,280 --> 00:40:56,560
Speaker 1: can win balls and break game up. And then you

805
00:40:56,600 --> 00:40:58,560
Speaker 1: give the ball. And I'll tell you this, just like

806
00:40:58,640 --> 00:41:01,239
Speaker 1: Ganza told me a ninety cello. Your job is to

807
00:41:01,320 --> 00:41:03,799
Speaker 1: win the ball, break the play up, win it, do

808
00:41:03,920 --> 00:41:06,239
Speaker 1: not dribble, do not pass. Give the freaking ball to

809
00:41:06,320 --> 00:41:09,400
Speaker 1: Tab and the Hearts and stand there. Let them do

810
00:41:09,440 --> 00:41:12,480
Speaker 1: the rest. You stand there. So I kind of look

811
00:41:12,520 --> 00:41:15,279
Speaker 1: at those two guys as let everybody else do their job.

812
00:41:15,360 --> 00:41:16,200
Speaker 1: You do your job.

813
00:41:17,320 --> 00:41:20,319
Speaker 2: What Richards did last year in the Gold Cup. And

814
00:41:20,360 --> 00:41:23,439
Speaker 2: I know the Gold Cup wasn't the best performance from

815
00:41:23,440 --> 00:41:26,799
Speaker 2: the US overall, but I thought he put in a

816
00:41:26,880 --> 00:41:31,040
Speaker 2: man's performance, right, like he graduated to Okay, I'm not

817
00:41:31,280 --> 00:41:34,600
Speaker 2: just the talented young player. I'm actually the leader of

818
00:41:34,680 --> 00:41:38,279
Speaker 2: this team. But you're right, we're still looking for the

819
00:41:38,400 --> 00:41:43,439
Speaker 2: right partner. It's interesting to me to think back though

820
00:41:43,480 --> 00:41:45,840
Speaker 2: to that South Korea game, because the first half of

821
00:41:45,880 --> 00:41:49,680
Speaker 2: that South Korea game in the friendly after the Gold Cup,

822
00:41:49,880 --> 00:41:52,600
Speaker 2: the US with close to a first choice eleven got

823
00:41:52,680 --> 00:41:55,560
Speaker 2: played off the pitch. And then it felt to me,

824
00:41:56,120 --> 00:41:58,560
Speaker 2: and I think we all kind of said it afterwards

825
00:41:59,080 --> 00:42:03,279
Speaker 2: that Pochettino changed the formation. It was the first time

826
00:42:03,280 --> 00:42:05,239
Speaker 2: we were really out of the four four two and

827
00:42:05,320 --> 00:42:08,160
Speaker 2: really into the three four two one. And if asked

828
00:42:08,239 --> 00:42:11,239
Speaker 2: Mauricio Pochettino, he will say that's not true. We've played

829
00:42:11,239 --> 00:42:12,880
Speaker 2: a four to four to two the whole time, and

830
00:42:13,040 --> 00:42:16,600
Speaker 2: I think he's lying. I think he is fibbing because

831
00:42:16,719 --> 00:42:18,560
Speaker 2: we all see it. Okay, you drop into a mid

832
00:42:18,640 --> 00:42:20,680
Speaker 2: and then a deep block. Yes, it's banks of four

833
00:42:20,920 --> 00:42:22,560
Speaker 2: and you have a four to four to two. But

834
00:42:23,000 --> 00:42:27,120
Speaker 2: it's very clear that the US changed from wide overloads

835
00:42:27,239 --> 00:42:31,400
Speaker 2: with an overlapping left back to a sort of solo

836
00:42:31,560 --> 00:42:34,799
Speaker 2: wing back on each side. And that is why I

837
00:42:34,920 --> 00:42:38,880
Speaker 2: struggle with any eleven that doesn't include Max Arsten and

838
00:42:39,120 --> 00:42:42,400
Speaker 2: it's not alike for like with Anthony Robinson. And one

839
00:42:42,440 --> 00:42:44,880
Speaker 2: of the things that I want to see with Jedi

840
00:42:44,960 --> 00:42:47,879
Speaker 2: when he comes in in March is can you play

841
00:42:48,000 --> 00:42:51,640
Speaker 2: him as sort of the left center back in the

842
00:42:51,719 --> 00:42:55,120
Speaker 2: back three back five because he's big and strong enough

843
00:42:55,280 --> 00:42:58,640
Speaker 2: to defend center forwards, but also he gets on the

844
00:42:58,680 --> 00:43:02,400
Speaker 2: ball on that back line, he can actually break lines

845
00:43:02,440 --> 00:43:05,319
Speaker 2: with the ball on his foot. He could actually scramble

846
00:43:05,719 --> 00:43:09,320
Speaker 2: opposing midfields by carrying the ball forward and that would

847
00:43:09,320 --> 00:43:12,200
Speaker 2: allow Urstin to push forward on the left. And we've

848
00:43:12,200 --> 00:43:15,799
Speaker 2: seen how damaging he can be to opposing back lines,

849
00:43:15,880 --> 00:43:16,680
Speaker 2: especially when the pack.

850
00:43:16,880 --> 00:43:18,960
Speaker 1: Let me ask you this storily or tab both of you.

851
00:43:19,880 --> 00:43:23,880
Speaker 1: Where is Tim Reen or does Robinson play Jedi play

852
00:43:23,960 --> 00:43:24,799
Speaker 1: for Fulham?

853
00:43:25,160 --> 00:43:27,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, he plays as an overlapping left back.

854
00:43:27,239 --> 00:43:29,680
Speaker 1: Okay, so now we don't take but hold on. You're

855
00:43:29,680 --> 00:43:32,640
Speaker 1: going to take a guy who is naturally going down

856
00:43:32,640 --> 00:43:35,040
Speaker 1: the left side attacking, and you're going to take that

857
00:43:35,080 --> 00:43:36,239
Speaker 1: out of him and you're going to put him as

858
00:43:36,239 --> 00:43:38,239
Speaker 1: a center back. He's not going to attack like he

859
00:43:38,280 --> 00:43:40,600
Speaker 1: does at Fulham or head does with asking. So you're

860
00:43:40,640 --> 00:43:43,759
Speaker 1: taking the best attribute that he has that he is

861
00:43:43,880 --> 00:43:46,080
Speaker 1: dangerous going down the wing. He can run at players,

862
00:43:46,080 --> 00:43:49,040
Speaker 1: his work grate is fantastic, and you're going to put

863
00:43:49,120 --> 00:43:51,880
Speaker 1: him as a center back. Arstin doesn't give me what

864
00:43:53,239 --> 00:43:56,479
Speaker 1: Robinson does. I like him if something was to go wrong,

865
00:43:56,560 --> 00:43:58,480
Speaker 1: I think as a wing back you can put Arstin

866
00:43:58,520 --> 00:44:01,440
Speaker 1: and he's a good player. I enjoy watching him play,

867
00:44:01,719 --> 00:44:04,000
Speaker 1: but he doesn't bring to me what Robinson does. So

868
00:44:04,040 --> 00:44:07,919
Speaker 1: now you're taking away part of your offense to make

869
00:44:07,960 --> 00:44:11,960
Speaker 1: sure your back line. Maybe maybe he's comfortable and now

870
00:44:11,960 --> 00:44:14,880
Speaker 1: you're going to have to convince him in four months

871
00:44:15,320 --> 00:44:17,960
Speaker 1: that this is your new position. I wouldn't take that

872
00:44:18,120 --> 00:44:21,520
Speaker 1: chance of fon Butchertino changing a guy's position like that

873
00:44:21,680 --> 00:44:25,520
Speaker 1: to something he's not natural to play in. To make sure,

874
00:44:25,600 --> 00:44:28,320
Speaker 1: because Tim Reim does a nice job. He's a little older,

875
00:44:28,360 --> 00:44:30,719
Speaker 1: but he reads the game well. He puts himself in

876
00:44:30,800 --> 00:44:33,160
Speaker 1: good position. He never gets himself. If you watch him,

877
00:44:33,280 --> 00:44:35,360
Speaker 1: Tim ream never gets himself in a foot race. He

878
00:44:35,440 --> 00:44:37,640
Speaker 1: always knows if it's going to go deep, he reads it,

879
00:44:37,920 --> 00:44:40,799
Speaker 1: he pulls back and he covers the space. So I'm

880
00:44:40,840 --> 00:44:43,400
Speaker 1: not sure I would agree with with Arsten coming in

881
00:44:43,520 --> 00:44:45,560
Speaker 1: and putting Robinson as a center back. I don't know

882
00:44:45,560 --> 00:44:46,800
Speaker 1: about you guys. That's just my opinion.

883
00:44:47,440 --> 00:44:50,840
Speaker 3: You know, I'll say just like I did when Tony

884
00:44:50,880 --> 00:44:53,879
Speaker 3: Miola was here and we were talking about goalkeeping, which

885
00:44:53,960 --> 00:44:57,600
Speaker 3: is a position that I don't even care to discuss.

886
00:45:01,040 --> 00:45:04,600
Speaker 3: I'll just say that. I'll say that, you know, I'll

887
00:45:04,640 --> 00:45:07,520
Speaker 3: trust your judgment on the center back situation, you know.

888
00:45:07,680 --> 00:45:11,960
Speaker 3: I My concern was always about Tim Reim and his

889
00:45:12,080 --> 00:45:15,400
Speaker 3: inability to get, you know, to stay with a forward

890
00:45:15,800 --> 00:45:18,760
Speaker 3: because he really, truly hasn't done it in MLS either

891
00:45:18,920 --> 00:45:20,839
Speaker 3: hasn't done it that well, at least for the last

892
00:45:20,840 --> 00:45:24,640
Speaker 3: twelve months. That's a big concern for me. So I

893
00:45:24,680 --> 00:45:27,040
Speaker 3: think inevitably, if Tim Reem is going to be on

894
00:45:27,080 --> 00:45:29,839
Speaker 3: the field, we need to have three center backs. In

895
00:45:29,920 --> 00:45:34,480
Speaker 3: terms of changing Robinson and putting him back, I do

896
00:45:34,600 --> 00:45:38,160
Speaker 3: agree with that Marcelo that that potentially changing his petition

897
00:45:38,280 --> 00:45:41,760
Speaker 3: position when he's doing really well on the left side

898
00:45:42,440 --> 00:45:44,640
Speaker 3: would likely hurt his game a little bit. At the

899
00:45:44,640 --> 00:45:47,440
Speaker 3: same time, I have to say, you know, Matt's suggestion

900
00:45:47,680 --> 00:45:49,919
Speaker 3: is not necessarily a bad one, and the reason I'll

901
00:45:49,960 --> 00:45:55,160
Speaker 3: say this only only for this reason. I think Anthony Robinson,

902
00:45:55,200 --> 00:45:56,759
Speaker 3: and I think a lot of people will agree with

903
00:45:56,800 --> 00:45:58,680
Speaker 3: me that he has been the best player that we

904
00:45:58,760 --> 00:46:01,239
Speaker 3: had on the US national team for about four or

905
00:46:01,280 --> 00:46:06,120
Speaker 3: five years in a row. And because of that, you know,

906
00:46:06,920 --> 00:46:10,480
Speaker 3: you know, when he was hurt, Max Arstin stepped in,

907
00:46:11,080 --> 00:46:14,440
Speaker 3: and to be fair, he made us forget about Anthony

908
00:46:14,920 --> 00:46:18,840
Speaker 3: Anthony Robinson. That was huge for me because I thought

909
00:46:18,880 --> 00:46:21,600
Speaker 3: that would be such a huge hole to fill, you know,

910
00:46:21,680 --> 00:46:24,320
Speaker 3: with the one player who has been carrying the national

911
00:46:24,320 --> 00:46:27,400
Speaker 3: team from that left side, and Arsten came in and

912
00:46:27,760 --> 00:46:29,880
Speaker 3: we didn't miss a beat. Yeah, the first couple of

913
00:46:29,920 --> 00:46:32,520
Speaker 3: games are a little difficult, but once he settled in,

914
00:46:32,960 --> 00:46:36,000
Speaker 3: man Arsten can do the job. And so I think

915
00:46:36,080 --> 00:46:39,279
Speaker 3: to Matt's point, there could be something there in terms

916
00:46:39,360 --> 00:46:41,560
Speaker 3: of you know, look at her, look at her first

917
00:46:41,640 --> 00:46:45,399
Speaker 3: round opponents, right, you have, you have Paraguay, they will

918
00:46:45,560 --> 00:46:48,440
Speaker 3: likely sit and wait for us. You know, you have

919
00:46:48,840 --> 00:46:52,439
Speaker 3: potentially you know, Turkey could be the most difficult team.

920
00:46:52,480 --> 00:46:54,800
Speaker 3: But I think with what we saw from Turkey last summer,

921
00:46:55,000 --> 00:46:57,680
Speaker 3: I think against Turkey we beat ourselves, so there's a

922
00:46:57,680 --> 00:46:59,880
Speaker 3: good chance that we're still gonna have the ball a lot.

923
00:47:00,080 --> 00:47:02,000
Speaker 3: And now you give a chance to have two guys

924
00:47:02,040 --> 00:47:04,920
Speaker 3: who could potentially overlap each other to get forward. So

925
00:47:04,960 --> 00:47:07,319
Speaker 3: I think there's certainly something there as well.

926
00:47:08,560 --> 00:47:13,680
Speaker 1: Listen, here's I've become a I guess I stopped evaluating

927
00:47:13,760 --> 00:47:15,600
Speaker 1: players at the Gold Cup? How's that is? That? Is

928
00:47:15,640 --> 00:47:17,279
Speaker 1: that unfair? The only time?

929
00:47:17,360 --> 00:47:17,640
Speaker 3: I know?

930
00:47:17,840 --> 00:47:22,200
Speaker 1: But listen, we play it. I mean it's a great tournament.

931
00:47:22,200 --> 00:47:24,160
Speaker 1: It gets an opportunity for all these young guys to

932
00:47:24,200 --> 00:47:29,000
Speaker 1: get some caps. My judgment came on the final. How's

933
00:47:29,000 --> 00:47:31,080
Speaker 1: that I judge players? When you play a big game.

934
00:47:31,160 --> 00:47:34,240
Speaker 1: I judge a player now, and when we do Gold

935
00:47:34,280 --> 00:47:37,200
Speaker 1: Cup is when they get a final, they're playing against Mexico,

936
00:47:37,239 --> 00:47:40,480
Speaker 1: they're playing who who stands out? Who can handle that pressure,

937
00:47:40,800 --> 00:47:43,400
Speaker 1: who can handle now playing a bigger team, Because listen

938
00:47:43,680 --> 00:47:45,839
Speaker 1: to this day, Mexico's our biggest rival and we all

939
00:47:45,880 --> 00:47:48,480
Speaker 1: hate each other. We're friends now from that ninety group,

940
00:47:48,719 --> 00:47:51,040
Speaker 1: but we kicked the shit out of each other. Ask

941
00:47:51,200 --> 00:47:54,440
Speaker 1: Lexi and Roman Ramirez, ask all those guys. So when

942
00:47:54,480 --> 00:47:56,560
Speaker 1: I look at the Gold Cup, I looked at that final.

943
00:47:56,880 --> 00:47:58,840
Speaker 1: Who's going to stand out, Who's going to grab this

944
00:47:58,920 --> 00:48:01,000
Speaker 1: game by the balls? Who's going to show that they

945
00:48:01,040 --> 00:48:03,760
Speaker 1: belong here? And tell me who did that this last

946
00:48:04,080 --> 00:48:07,000
Speaker 1: Gold Cup? Tell me who's who really grabbed you in

947
00:48:07,000 --> 00:48:09,360
Speaker 1: that final? To damn, that kid could play at a

948
00:48:09,440 --> 00:48:16,200
Speaker 1: higher level because he played against Mexico exactly. So that's

949
00:48:16,320 --> 00:48:19,120
Speaker 1: that's what I really go by. So when I saw that,

950
00:48:19,239 --> 00:48:22,680
Speaker 1: I was just like, Okay, well you know, so I listen.

951
00:48:22,719 --> 00:48:24,719
Speaker 1: Like I said, I think Arson's a good player, and

952
00:48:24,760 --> 00:48:27,000
Speaker 1: you're right to have I think if you have two you,

953
00:48:27,080 --> 00:48:29,400
Speaker 1: if you do it right, you could have two overlapping players.

954
00:48:29,760 --> 00:48:31,480
Speaker 1: My concern in a World Cup is you got to

955
00:48:31,480 --> 00:48:33,360
Speaker 1: freaking defend, and you got to know how to defend

956
00:48:33,400 --> 00:48:36,399
Speaker 1: first and not when you're playing as a center back,

957
00:48:36,719 --> 00:48:38,880
Speaker 1: you've got to look to your right, you've got to

958
00:48:38,880 --> 00:48:40,480
Speaker 1: look to your left, and especially if you're going to

959
00:48:40,520 --> 00:48:42,160
Speaker 1: play that position, there's a lot of room to cover

960
00:48:42,239 --> 00:48:45,280
Speaker 1: when you're playing down the left hand side, like Robinson,

961
00:48:45,360 --> 00:48:49,080
Speaker 1: Jedi does, where does he have to defend. He's got

962
00:48:49,120 --> 00:48:50,120
Speaker 1: one angle in that side.

963
00:48:50,120 --> 00:48:51,279
Speaker 3: And by the way, you could do it on the

964
00:48:51,280 --> 00:48:55,920
Speaker 3: opposite side with Freeman. You could do Freeman exactly that

965
00:48:56,520 --> 00:48:59,600
Speaker 3: I really like, to be honest, So there's options to

966
00:48:59,640 --> 00:49:00,720
Speaker 3: do that either side.

967
00:49:00,880 --> 00:49:03,520
Speaker 2: It is something for Pochettino to solve because yeah, I mean,

968
00:49:03,880 --> 00:49:06,279
Speaker 2: Jedi has been fantastic for the US for a long

969
00:49:06,360 --> 00:49:09,640
Speaker 2: time and fantastic for Fulham as that overlapping left back,

970
00:49:10,239 --> 00:49:14,320
Speaker 2: which Pochettino hasn't really been using for the past six months.

971
00:49:14,360 --> 00:49:17,440
Speaker 2: So it is something whether it means Arstin at wing

972
00:49:17,600 --> 00:49:20,719
Speaker 2: back or maybe Tim Laya playing in Verniat wing back.

973
00:49:21,719 --> 00:49:24,879
Speaker 2: I'm really interested to see what the coach does.

974
00:49:24,960 --> 00:49:26,680
Speaker 1: I thought I thought you guys were gonna beat me

975
00:49:26,800 --> 00:49:30,839
Speaker 1: up for Tessaman, not not not Robinson and.

976
00:49:30,800 --> 00:49:32,759
Speaker 3: Tim No, no, I tell you. I'll tell you what

977
00:49:32,840 --> 00:49:35,879
Speaker 3: happens with Tesaman now, because Tessaman is a great call.

978
00:49:35,960 --> 00:49:38,239
Speaker 3: I think he's a good compliment to He's a good

979
00:49:38,280 --> 00:49:41,840
Speaker 3: compliment to to Tyler Adams, probably the best compliment he

980
00:49:41,920 --> 00:49:44,719
Speaker 3: can have, I think. I think the issue the coach

981
00:49:44,800 --> 00:49:46,440
Speaker 3: is gonna have, which is a great one to have,

982
00:49:46,600 --> 00:49:50,759
Speaker 3: is you have both McKinny and Tillman in great form. Yeah,

983
00:49:50,760 --> 00:49:53,719
Speaker 3: how do you fit both and still have Tillman in

984
00:49:54,000 --> 00:49:57,279
Speaker 3: and and and Adams? You really can't. And that's even

985
00:49:57,320 --> 00:50:01,120
Speaker 3: if you push way out wide because right now, as

986
00:50:01,160 --> 00:50:04,040
Speaker 3: well as way as doing, you don't necessarily have a

987
00:50:04,080 --> 00:50:06,879
Speaker 3: position for him. You have to find it. You're gonna

988
00:50:06,880 --> 00:50:07,800
Speaker 3: have to send him wide.

989
00:50:09,239 --> 00:50:12,839
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's in a fight with dest and Freeman on

990
00:50:12,840 --> 00:50:16,120
Speaker 2: one side, and Arstin and I guess Jedi Robinson on

991
00:50:16,160 --> 00:50:18,759
Speaker 2: the other side. The other argument for Testament, the reason

992
00:50:18,760 --> 00:50:21,120
Speaker 2: I didn't fight you on it his range of passing,

993
00:50:21,440 --> 00:50:23,720
Speaker 2: his ability to get on the ball and set tempo

994
00:50:24,000 --> 00:50:27,480
Speaker 2: and then use those wingbacks which have become so important

995
00:50:27,640 --> 00:50:31,000
Speaker 2: for the US over this past six game stretch starting

996
00:50:31,000 --> 00:50:32,680
Speaker 2: in September with that draw against.

997
00:50:32,440 --> 00:50:36,040
Speaker 1: So does so does bird Halter or does Rodan make

998
00:50:36,080 --> 00:50:36,560
Speaker 1: the team.

999
00:50:36,920 --> 00:50:40,560
Speaker 2: Rodn makes the team, really And what told me I

1000
00:50:41,000 --> 00:50:43,719
Speaker 2: think I think Pachettino loves him. And what told me

1001
00:50:43,840 --> 00:50:46,120
Speaker 2: that was, first of all, he's the only one who's

1002
00:50:46,160 --> 00:50:49,440
Speaker 2: I think, played all six games during the six game stretch,

1003
00:50:49,719 --> 00:50:52,360
Speaker 2: and he didn't start against Uruguay, and he was in

1004
00:50:52,360 --> 00:50:54,520
Speaker 2: the midst of like he had played a ton for

1005
00:50:54,600 --> 00:50:57,240
Speaker 2: the Sounders and he was kind of out of gas,

1006
00:50:57,440 --> 00:50:59,960
Speaker 2: and Pochettino put him on for the final ten minutes

1007
00:51:00,040 --> 00:51:03,680
Speaker 2: of that game. Anyway, And to me, that tells me

1008
00:51:04,040 --> 00:51:06,360
Speaker 2: the coach wants to reward a player for what the

1009
00:51:06,400 --> 00:51:09,560
Speaker 2: player's done. And maybe I'm reading too much because I

1010
00:51:09,600 --> 00:51:12,280
Speaker 2: love Christian Roldan, and I don't think I'm the only one.

1011
00:51:12,719 --> 00:51:14,600
Speaker 2: Certainly the guys in that locker room love him too.

1012
00:51:14,920 --> 00:51:16,920
Speaker 3: Yeah, And you know you still have other guys. You

1013
00:51:16,920 --> 00:51:20,120
Speaker 3: have Cardozo, you have Aiden Morris, who's having a great season.

1014
00:51:20,520 --> 00:51:22,920
Speaker 3: You just heard his coach this weekend say how much

1015
00:51:22,920 --> 00:51:26,000
Speaker 3: he loves coaching Aidan Morris, because he's so much about

1016
00:51:26,040 --> 00:51:29,239
Speaker 3: the team. The perfect guy to have. Burholtzer obviously has

1017
00:51:29,360 --> 00:51:32,360
Speaker 3: done well. There are so many I think there's gonna

1018
00:51:32,360 --> 00:51:34,120
Speaker 3: be a couple of guys who deserve to go to

1019
00:51:34,160 --> 00:51:36,560
Speaker 3: a World Cup who just unfortunately won't be able to

1020
00:51:36,600 --> 00:51:36,880
Speaker 3: make it.

1021
00:51:37,760 --> 00:51:41,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, happens every time. Time for us to take one

1022
00:51:41,280 --> 00:51:44,800
Speaker 2: more break. We'll be right back with Marcella's nineteen ninety

1023
00:51:44,800 --> 00:51:48,680
Speaker 2: four World Cup story about a certain pass from someone

1024
00:51:48,760 --> 00:51:51,480
Speaker 2: else who's on this podcast right now. Thanks for listening

1025
00:51:51,560 --> 00:51:53,240
Speaker 2: to Inside American Soccer.

1026
00:51:53,440 --> 00:52:04,399
Speaker 5: Please rate review had subscribe.

1027
00:52:06,440 --> 00:52:10,080
Speaker 2: Okay, welcome back to Inside American Soccer. We have talked

1028
00:52:10,160 --> 00:52:13,480
Speaker 2: all things US men's national team, all things transfer market

1029
00:52:13,960 --> 00:52:16,319
Speaker 2: over the previous forty five minutes. But now it's time

1030
00:52:16,320 --> 00:52:19,720
Speaker 2: for a little bit of storytime. Let's go back thirty years,

1031
00:52:19,760 --> 00:52:23,560
Speaker 2: thirty two years. Let's go inside the locker room before

1032
00:52:23,640 --> 00:52:26,960
Speaker 2: that big game for the US against Columbia in the

1033
00:52:27,000 --> 00:52:30,640
Speaker 2: World Cup in nineteen ninety four, and that bicycle kick

1034
00:52:30,680 --> 00:52:33,239
Speaker 2: we've already referenced five times, Well, let's talk about it

1035
00:52:33,280 --> 00:52:36,920
Speaker 2: again because it was such a beautiful, spectacular moment. Marcello.

1036
00:52:38,239 --> 00:52:40,799
Speaker 1: Listen, one, I wouldn't have had to do it if

1037
00:52:40,800 --> 00:52:42,520
Speaker 1: Tad would have put the ball where it was supposed

1038
00:52:42,520 --> 00:52:43,960
Speaker 1: to go and I was in front of me, not

1039
00:52:44,040 --> 00:52:49,000
Speaker 1: behind me. But I'm gonna let that slide for this one. Listen,

1040
00:52:49,480 --> 00:52:52,600
Speaker 1: it's something that came natural. My dad told me a

1041
00:52:52,640 --> 00:52:54,279
Speaker 1: long time ago, as a center back, you've got to

1042
00:52:54,360 --> 00:52:56,160
Speaker 1: learn to do things a stand out a little bit.

1043
00:52:56,640 --> 00:52:59,640
Speaker 1: And the one thing you have is you're able to

1044
00:52:59,760 --> 00:53:04,040
Speaker 1: jump decently well. So we practice in practice. I used

1045
00:53:04,080 --> 00:53:06,640
Speaker 1: to practice bicycle kicks. I saw Pele do it. I

1046
00:53:06,680 --> 00:53:08,400
Speaker 1: thought it was the coolest thing in the world. And

1047
00:53:08,520 --> 00:53:12,080
Speaker 1: I've broken lamps, asked moms. She's still upset about the

1048
00:53:12,160 --> 00:53:15,320
Speaker 1: lamps I've broke in and but it was just something

1049
00:53:15,360 --> 00:53:18,319
Speaker 1: as a kid that I wanted to do. Did I

1050
00:53:18,320 --> 00:53:20,160
Speaker 1: ever think that I would pull one off in a

1051
00:53:20,200 --> 00:53:23,200
Speaker 1: World Cup? Now, listen, I got lucky. I scored with

1052
00:53:23,280 --> 00:53:26,360
Speaker 1: a concussion against Columbus and got the goal of the

1053
00:53:26,440 --> 00:53:28,560
Speaker 1: year off that bicycle kick. Didn't even remember it. I

1054
00:53:28,600 --> 00:53:31,319
Speaker 1: scored them with the under twenties, and I think it

1055
00:53:31,440 --> 00:53:34,239
Speaker 1: just shocked surprises people to see want a defender do that.

1056
00:53:35,000 --> 00:53:38,160
Speaker 1: And two is you know what, I like to be

1057
00:53:38,160 --> 00:53:41,560
Speaker 1: a little different. So I started practicing that, and it

1058
00:53:42,200 --> 00:53:44,399
Speaker 1: you don't try to do in a game. But when

1059
00:53:44,400 --> 00:53:47,200
Speaker 1: Tad put that ball, it was instinctual that I just

1060
00:53:47,440 --> 00:53:49,239
Speaker 1: saw it. I turned and I hit it and just

1061
00:53:49,320 --> 00:53:49,839
Speaker 1: put it wide.

1062
00:53:51,239 --> 00:53:54,080
Speaker 3: Yeah, well, you know you may think it was a mistake,

1063
00:53:54,160 --> 00:53:55,320
Speaker 3: but I put it exactly.

1064
00:53:58,080 --> 00:53:58,279
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1065
00:53:58,320 --> 00:54:01,080
Speaker 3: Of course, you know, always with the other kicks, you know,

1066
00:54:01,200 --> 00:54:03,960
Speaker 3: our idea was always a look Alexi would come first

1067
00:54:04,000 --> 00:54:06,880
Speaker 3: across the six and then Marcello would come behind. My

1068
00:54:07,040 --> 00:54:08,600
Speaker 3: job was to put the bulley in there for one

1069
00:54:08,600 --> 00:54:11,200
Speaker 3: of those two big guys and not miss them. You know,

1070
00:54:11,920 --> 00:54:14,120
Speaker 3: you know I missed both at that in that case,

1071
00:54:14,120 --> 00:54:17,560
Speaker 3: but Marcello was able to react. Yeah. I was going

1072
00:54:17,600 --> 00:54:20,279
Speaker 3: to say exactly that, Marcelo that you know, people will

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00:54:20,320 --> 00:54:24,000
Speaker 3: remember you a lot for that bicycle kick that went

1074
00:54:24,400 --> 00:54:27,480
Speaker 3: barely wide, but yet a lot of people haven't seen

1075
00:54:27,520 --> 00:54:30,960
Speaker 3: the great bicycle kicks that you've scored throughout your career.

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00:54:31,040 --> 00:54:33,520
Speaker 3: And by the way, I think the reason that we

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00:54:33,560 --> 00:54:35,960
Speaker 3: talk about this so much is because, you know, and

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00:54:36,040 --> 00:54:38,719
Speaker 3: obviously I've had the experience to coaching MLS and and

1079
00:54:39,040 --> 00:54:42,160
Speaker 3: to coach in other leagues, and there's just not many

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00:54:42,200 --> 00:54:44,440
Speaker 3: defenders that bring so much to the table on the

1081
00:54:44,480 --> 00:54:47,520
Speaker 3: attacking part of the field. And you know, I can't

1082
00:54:47,560 --> 00:54:50,160
Speaker 3: imagine the value you would have today on a team,

1083
00:54:50,520 --> 00:54:53,560
Speaker 3: you know, considering that you couldn't only be a shutdown defender,

1084
00:54:53,600 --> 00:54:56,560
Speaker 3: but that you're a constant danger on the other side

1085
00:54:56,560 --> 00:54:59,719
Speaker 3: of the on the other side of the field. So yeah,

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00:54:59,760 --> 00:55:02,160
Speaker 3: I mean, and it's definitely nice to have in your

1087
00:55:02,200 --> 00:55:06,760
Speaker 3: toolbox be able to do that. But yeah, some exciting moments.

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00:55:06,960 --> 00:55:11,239
Speaker 1: Sure listen it. I think every kid sees Pelee do it,

1089
00:55:11,360 --> 00:55:14,520
Speaker 1: they see Ronaldo do it now, and it's just one

1090
00:55:14,520 --> 00:55:18,799
Speaker 1: of those things that it's just I don't know. For me,

1091
00:55:18,880 --> 00:55:20,319
Speaker 1: it was just one of the coolest things. It was

1092
00:55:20,320 --> 00:55:22,759
Speaker 1: like a challenge. Can I kick a ball over my head?

1093
00:55:23,080 --> 00:55:25,279
Speaker 1: Can I reach it? How do I time it? How

1094
00:55:25,320 --> 00:55:27,319
Speaker 1: do I you know, I mean, there's a process to it.

1095
00:55:27,360 --> 00:55:31,319
Speaker 1: But now you look back and it was just one

1096
00:55:31,360 --> 00:55:34,279
Speaker 1: of those cool moments that people still to this day

1097
00:55:34,320 --> 00:55:37,160
Speaker 1: thirty two years later and people are still talking about

1098
00:55:37,160 --> 00:55:40,400
Speaker 1: that one moment that we had a corner cack against Columbia.

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00:55:40,600 --> 00:55:43,600
Speaker 2: You know, you guys both had amazing moments in that

1100
00:55:43,719 --> 00:55:47,920
Speaker 2: World Cups have. Of course, the pass to Ernie for like,

1101
00:55:48,320 --> 00:55:51,680
Speaker 2: just one of the greatest passes in US men's national

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00:55:51,719 --> 00:55:55,120
Speaker 2: team history and it's still burned into my memory. And

1103
00:55:55,160 --> 00:55:58,680
Speaker 2: now we have this group coming into the World Cup

1104
00:55:58,719 --> 00:56:02,640
Speaker 2: this summer. It's advice time you guys have lived it.

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00:56:02,960 --> 00:56:05,920
Speaker 2: What advice did the two of you have for this

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00:56:06,080 --> 00:56:08,719
Speaker 2: national team. Just one piece of advice for these guys

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00:56:08,760 --> 00:56:10,800
Speaker 2: heading into the World Cup at home this summer.

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00:56:11,480 --> 00:56:16,760
Speaker 1: Wow, enjoy it. Enjoy it. You know what, we didn't

1109
00:56:16,760 --> 00:56:20,919
Speaker 1: get to enjoy it as much because we worked every day.

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00:56:21,200 --> 00:56:24,000
Speaker 1: We worked as a club team. We fought, we scratched,

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00:56:24,000 --> 00:56:25,919
Speaker 1: We had to promote the game. Listen. I remember seeing

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00:56:25,960 --> 00:56:28,840
Speaker 1: a video before the ninety four World Cup and they asked,

1113
00:56:28,920 --> 00:56:31,279
Speaker 1: you know who tab Ramos is and they said, I

1114
00:56:31,280 --> 00:56:36,040
Speaker 1: think he's a hockey player. Okay, So we had to

1115
00:56:36,080 --> 00:56:39,440
Speaker 1: work so hard to promote this game. We had to

1116
00:56:39,440 --> 00:56:42,480
Speaker 1: work so hard to come back from injuries, to integrate

1117
00:56:42,520 --> 00:56:44,680
Speaker 1: all the European guys back to us that I don't

1118
00:56:44,719 --> 00:56:47,399
Speaker 1: think we fully fully got to enjoy the moment. These

1119
00:56:47,440 --> 00:56:49,760
Speaker 1: guys are all playing in Europe, they know what pressure

1120
00:56:49,840 --> 00:56:53,120
Speaker 1: is like, they're making great money. I have to say,

1121
00:56:53,160 --> 00:56:55,960
Speaker 1: tab John and those guys who went to Europe into

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00:56:56,000 --> 00:56:58,520
Speaker 1: Spain opened those doors for all of these guys to

1123
00:56:58,560 --> 00:57:00,919
Speaker 1: have an opportunity to go there. So when you get

1124
00:57:00,920 --> 00:57:03,719
Speaker 1: there and you make it, you know what, enjoy it.

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00:57:04,360 --> 00:57:08,120
Speaker 1: Enjoy because representing our country, not a lot of people

1126
00:57:08,160 --> 00:57:09,880
Speaker 1: get to do. Playing in a World Cup. Not a

1127
00:57:09,880 --> 00:57:12,440
Speaker 1: lot of people get to do. But we've got to

1128
00:57:12,480 --> 00:57:15,360
Speaker 1: represent our country and our own World Cup. And that

1129
00:57:15,520 --> 00:57:19,320
Speaker 1: was the most special World Cup to open people's eyes

1130
00:57:19,360 --> 00:57:22,240
Speaker 1: to what we were capable of doing, to gaining that

1131
00:57:22,320 --> 00:57:26,280
Speaker 1: respect in the football world. That we came out and

1132
00:57:26,360 --> 00:57:27,959
Speaker 1: we get out of the group. We beat the best

1133
00:57:27,960 --> 00:57:31,160
Speaker 1: team in South America that year, and we did it

1134
00:57:31,600 --> 00:57:33,520
Speaker 1: with class, we did it with pride, and we did

1135
00:57:33,560 --> 00:57:37,520
Speaker 1: it with hard work. And so for these guys, when

1136
00:57:37,560 --> 00:57:40,720
Speaker 1: you put on that frickin' jersey, you've got to give

1137
00:57:40,840 --> 00:57:43,600
Speaker 1: everything you have. There's nothing left on the fucking table.

1138
00:57:43,600 --> 00:57:46,480
Speaker 1: And excuse the language, because that's where I'm at. And

1139
00:57:47,080 --> 00:57:49,760
Speaker 1: for me, when you walk off that field, you better

1140
00:57:49,760 --> 00:57:52,040
Speaker 1: walk off say we did everything possible today that we

1141
00:57:52,080 --> 00:57:54,840
Speaker 1: couldn't have given anymore, because if you leave anything on

1142
00:57:54,840 --> 00:57:57,480
Speaker 1: the table, then you shouldn't be on that team.

1143
00:57:58,120 --> 00:58:00,600
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, I'll just add to that that I

1144
00:58:00,640 --> 00:58:04,680
Speaker 3: think players still don't realize what it's going to be

1145
00:58:04,800 --> 00:58:07,160
Speaker 3: like this summer. I think they don't realize how much

1146
00:58:07,240 --> 00:58:09,600
Speaker 3: this country is going to be sort of turned over

1147
00:58:09,720 --> 00:58:13,440
Speaker 3: to them and how excited our fans are going to

1148
00:58:13,520 --> 00:58:16,240
Speaker 3: be to follow them. And like you said, they're used

1149
00:58:16,280 --> 00:58:19,360
Speaker 3: to pressure, they're used to having to win games. But

1150
00:58:19,840 --> 00:58:22,560
Speaker 3: I certainly think that this World Cup will be the

1151
00:58:22,600 --> 00:58:25,280
Speaker 3: World Cup that really puts soccer on the real map

1152
00:58:25,320 --> 00:58:29,720
Speaker 3: in this country, because because a way that the media

1153
00:58:30,080 --> 00:58:32,480
Speaker 3: will follow, this team will be like never before.

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00:58:33,560 --> 00:58:37,040
Speaker 2: Guys, great advice, a great way to spend a morning

1155
00:58:37,120 --> 00:58:39,640
Speaker 2: chatting with the two of you, and I'm sure our

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Speaker 2: listeners enjoyed every bit of it as well. Thank you

1157
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Speaker 2: Tom needs something to read while he's on baby duty

1161
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Speaker 2: for the next few weeks. Uh, And we will be back,

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Speaker 2: of course a week from now, so we will see

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Speaker 2: you all next week.

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Speaker 5: M m hmm.