WEBVTT - Stacey Dales breaks down NFL Combine | Bears, etc. Podcast 0:00:00.160 --> 0:00:03.240 Right justin middle of the field forty five fifteen, bring 0:00:03.360 --> 0:00:04.160 Russ in front. 0:00:03.960 --> 0:00:05.720 Of a leading Lions in his way. 0:00:06.080 --> 0:00:07.680 I am Jeff jonahad. 0:00:07.600 --> 0:00:12.880 Liitz is on dot go r What was like playing 0:00:12.880 --> 0:00:13.360 for Cochi? 0:00:13.400 --> 0:00:13.840 Good done? 0:00:14.520 --> 0:00:16.560 I don't want to answer any questions like that. Sixty 0:00:16.600 --> 0:00:17.439 one yards? 0:00:17.800 --> 0:00:24.360 What's Sunday Stroll for? Justin field? 0:00:25.920 --> 0:00:28.479 Bears et Cetera, brought to you by Miller Lte with 0:00:28.520 --> 0:00:31.400 the voices of the Bears, Jeff Joniac and Tom Thayer. 0:00:33.240 --> 0:00:35.600 It's business season on the National Football League. 0:00:35.880 --> 0:00:41.080 This is dollars and cents extensions, re signing, free agent tampering, 0:00:41.120 --> 0:00:44.960 opening next Monday, all while preparations for the late April 0:00:45.040 --> 0:00:47.400 draft continue. We tackled all here on Bears et Cetera. 0:00:47.600 --> 0:00:49.880 I'm the voice of the Bears, Jeff Joningac, my broadcast 0:00:49.880 --> 0:00:53.000 partner super Bowl winning Bears guard Tom Fair. This is 0:00:53.080 --> 0:00:56.160 episode number fifty eight, and we have no shortage of 0:00:56.200 --> 0:00:59.240 topics and never enough time to get on top of 0:00:59.280 --> 0:00:59.520 it all. 0:00:59.560 --> 0:01:02.520 And our special guest joining us after. 0:01:02.880 --> 0:01:07.400 One grinding week in Indianapolis as pro always the very 0:01:07.600 --> 0:01:11.520 very busy Stacey Dale's from NFL Network, their outstanding NFL 0:01:11.600 --> 0:01:14.479 reporter has been there, I believe for a decade now. 0:01:15.000 --> 0:01:19.600 When I say she works hard, I observe this every combine. 0:01:19.959 --> 0:01:21.880 But Tom, you're not there to put eyes on it. 0:01:21.959 --> 0:01:24.120 You're only watching the end result. But the work that 0:01:24.160 --> 0:01:26.319 goes in is impressive. And we're going to get into 0:01:26.360 --> 0:01:28.759 that today as we break things down and also talk 0:01:28.760 --> 0:01:30.920 about the Chicago Bears. But first of all, Tom, how 0:01:30.959 --> 0:01:32.640 are you feeling and welcome in Stacy? 0:01:32.680 --> 0:01:32.959 Will you? 0:01:33.080 --> 0:01:33.200 Oh? 0:01:33.360 --> 0:01:36.040 Feel good? I'm welcome in Stacey. It's a great to see. 0:01:36.120 --> 0:01:40.039 I did watch you all weekend on the NFL combine 0:01:40.120 --> 0:01:43.000 and I became aware that you would be a tight 0:01:43.120 --> 0:01:47.200 end if you did play in the NFL. You know, 0:01:47.360 --> 0:01:49.840 it must be your versatility because you look at what's 0:01:49.880 --> 0:01:53.120 required out of the tight end position nowadays, from the 0:01:53.360 --> 0:01:55.840 h back to the full back to the online tight end, 0:01:55.880 --> 0:01:57.200 shortyardage and goal line. 0:01:57.280 --> 0:01:59.320 You must be one heck of an athlete because I 0:01:59.400 --> 0:01:59.880 know you like. 0:02:00.120 --> 0:02:04.160 Set screens and blocking is not setting a screen. You 0:02:04.280 --> 0:02:06.080 gotta get some movement when you block. 0:02:07.680 --> 0:02:09.720 Yeah, I think I would go tight end because it's 0:02:09.760 --> 0:02:12.320 kind of weird. Tom. My actual favorite position group is 0:02:12.360 --> 0:02:16.200 the O ligneman, so you're in that category and the 0:02:16.240 --> 0:02:18.520 reason I love the OL lignment is because I just 0:02:19.000 --> 0:02:21.079 I think they get all lumped together. But there's such 0:02:21.240 --> 0:02:24.560 unique specialty parts to every single one of those five 0:02:24.600 --> 0:02:27.560 spots on the offensive line, and if one guy doesn't 0:02:27.600 --> 0:02:31.320 do his job, then everything fails and falls apart. And 0:02:31.400 --> 0:02:34.480 so I love those guys. Plus they're super smart and 0:02:34.480 --> 0:02:37.240 they tell me things that a lot of other players 0:02:37.280 --> 0:02:40.320 don't and teach me things. But I love tight ends 0:02:40.320 --> 0:02:43.200 because they actually get to catch the football and block too, 0:02:43.480 --> 0:02:46.200 so they kind of have that little hybrid in the 0:02:46.240 --> 0:02:49.079 middle in between thing. And yeah, so those are those 0:02:49.080 --> 0:02:49.919 guys on my faves. 0:02:49.960 --> 0:02:52.640 I guess now, if I'm not mistaken. Your brother played 0:02:52.639 --> 0:02:53.440 in the CFL. 0:02:53.560 --> 0:02:55.519 Correct what it was? He an offensive lineman? 0:02:56.320 --> 0:02:57.200 Yeah, he was a punter. 0:02:57.320 --> 0:03:03.679 Actually, oh okay, don't tell yeah. Tom's not a big 0:03:03.720 --> 0:03:05.160 fan of kickers. 0:03:05.680 --> 0:03:08.320 Don't say that. Don't say give me a bad name. 0:03:08.760 --> 0:03:12.480 Yeah, he should have been like I don't know, and 0:03:12.880 --> 0:03:14.680 he should have been a tight end or you know, 0:03:14.720 --> 0:03:17.440 an outside linebacker type guy who was huge, six three 0:03:17.880 --> 0:03:20.480 two forty. But he when he was in college, he 0:03:20.520 --> 0:03:23.280 pulled his biceps or something in his arm, and I 0:03:23.320 --> 0:03:26.359 picked up. We grew up playing soccer. So he picked 0:03:26.440 --> 0:03:28.120 up a ball and started kicking, and they made him 0:03:28.120 --> 0:03:30.560 a punter. So he was the hardest hitting punter in 0:03:30.600 --> 0:03:31.400 CFL history. 0:03:32.600 --> 0:03:35.640 Hey, so stas as hard as I see you work 0:03:35.680 --> 0:03:39.400 at the NFL Combine. Now go back to nineteen eighty 0:03:39.440 --> 0:03:42.960 three when I came out of college. We had three combines. 0:03:43.160 --> 0:03:46.200 We had one in Tampa, one in Seattle, in one 0:03:46.240 --> 0:03:51.640 in Detroit, and they were all equally as exhausting as 0:03:51.680 --> 0:03:55.200 the one combine that you go to. Could you imagine 0:03:55.400 --> 0:03:58.560 traveling around the country a week apart and doing three 0:03:58.600 --> 0:04:01.480 different combines with the same group of guys that you 0:04:01.560 --> 0:04:02.960 saw one in two weeks ago. 0:04:03.600 --> 0:04:08.360 Hell no, and nor what I yeah, I mean what 0:04:08.480 --> 0:04:10.920 we deal with in India. If I had to think 0:04:10.960 --> 0:04:13.000 it would extend beyond what you're talking about coming out 0:04:13.040 --> 0:04:15.440 of Notre Dame, I'd be like, no way, no shot 0:04:15.520 --> 0:04:19.080 in hell I'm going to all those Uh. That's why 0:04:19.120 --> 0:04:20.720 we got Pro Day's and that's why we have all 0:04:20.760 --> 0:04:23.960 those breakdowns. But the Combine has become a super Bowl. 0:04:24.000 --> 0:04:28.280 Like our coverage on the Combine is it's so vast 0:04:28.480 --> 0:04:32.760 and extensive every day, I mean six to seven hours 0:04:32.760 --> 0:04:35.680 of live TV every day with Rich and Daniel Jeremiah 0:04:35.720 --> 0:04:38.320 and our crew and then all the other parts that 0:04:38.360 --> 0:04:42.039 go with it. Charles Davis, I mean the number of 0:04:42.080 --> 0:04:46.440 players that we prepare for. I mean, I'm not an analyst, 0:04:46.440 --> 0:04:49.240 but like before the Combine, after the Super Bowl, I 0:04:49.240 --> 0:04:52.120 spend two weeks doing a deep dive into the at 0:04:52.240 --> 0:04:55.640 least the top eighty five players, pulling all those names 0:04:55.640 --> 0:04:58.560 from all those different lists. And you know, it's important 0:04:58.640 --> 0:05:01.400 because you you ought to get to know players like 0:05:01.480 --> 0:05:05.440 Ben Sinnett, Kansas State tight end, who became my favorite 0:05:05.600 --> 0:05:08.000 when I met him at the Combine because of his personality. 0:05:08.080 --> 0:05:11.320 He's got like a George Kittle personality and his favorite 0:05:11.320 --> 0:05:13.480 thing to do is block, but he's you know, you 0:05:13.520 --> 0:05:15.880 can put him out running back if you want. Like so, 0:05:16.400 --> 0:05:17.920 you just you have to get to know all these 0:05:17.960 --> 0:05:20.160 guys because at some point I'm going to cover them 0:05:20.600 --> 0:05:22.400 on a national perspective in the league. 0:05:22.480 --> 0:05:25.240 Stacy Dale's our guest here on Bears, et cetera. And 0:05:25.320 --> 0:05:27.480 as always we are sponsored. 0:05:26.920 --> 0:05:28.240 By Miller Lte. 0:05:28.600 --> 0:05:31.080 Let me give you a behind the scenes for folks, 0:05:31.120 --> 0:05:33.960 because that was my twenty eighth combine and in the 0:05:34.000 --> 0:05:36.240 old days, there were maybe fifty reporters, and there were 0:05:36.279 --> 0:05:40.480 no NFL PR departments directing you what to do. You 0:05:40.560 --> 0:05:43.800 just had free access to every single scout, coach player 0:05:43.880 --> 0:05:47.640 walking through and it was crazy. I mean I remember 0:05:47.720 --> 0:05:51.840 interviewing Orlando Pace and I was thinking, how's this guy. 0:05:51.760 --> 0:05:53.720 Getting a stance? You know, he's like monster. 0:05:53.839 --> 0:05:58.200 But Odium four that's one of probably ten to twelve 0:05:58.320 --> 0:06:00.880 at any given moment in twenty twenty minute chunks that 0:06:00.920 --> 0:06:04.080 these players come through. So you have to pick where 0:06:04.080 --> 0:06:06.839 you want to go. And I'm sure Stacy, because you're 0:06:06.960 --> 0:06:09.640 working with the big names, you try and hit all 0:06:09.680 --> 0:06:13.160 those number fours at the podium. But it's the biggest 0:06:13.160 --> 0:06:16.520 group of people a bunch of and it's not just 0:06:16.640 --> 0:06:20.560 journalists anymore. It's podcasters, it's guys who just write or 0:06:20.600 --> 0:06:24.400 talk or do stuff on the NFL draftnicks, whatever. It's 0:06:24.400 --> 0:06:28.640 a very interesting collection of individuals. But Tom Stacy's got 0:06:28.640 --> 0:06:32.599 her notepat. She's feverishly writing, she's wedging her way in now. 0:06:32.600 --> 0:06:36.440 She was an outstanding All American basketball player at Oklahoma 0:06:36.480 --> 0:06:39.400 Boomer sooner and so she can work her way around 0:06:39.640 --> 0:06:41.600 the post a little bit and throw an elbow or two. 0:06:41.920 --> 0:06:43.719 But it's feverish work. 0:06:43.520 --> 0:06:45.360 And then she slides off and tries to get one 0:06:45.360 --> 0:06:48.960 on one with guys. It is an impressive job by you. 0:06:49.040 --> 0:06:51.760 And I'm not just saying that because I've written you texts, 0:06:52.080 --> 0:06:54.040 some of which you haven't responded to be because you're 0:06:54.040 --> 0:06:55.280 probably sick of me saying. 0:06:55.080 --> 0:06:57.599 How great a job you do, Because you really do. 0:06:58.000 --> 0:07:00.840 And there's so many great reporters out there, but the 0:07:00.880 --> 0:07:03.760 way you do it's different. So then you watch the telecast, 0:07:03.920 --> 0:07:06.920 which I didn't get a great opportunity to. I watched segments, 0:07:06.920 --> 0:07:08.640 I've taped it. I haven't gone him through. Tom says 0:07:08.640 --> 0:07:11.840 he's watched each episode three times. You really have this 0:07:12.000 --> 0:07:15.440 way with these players, these kids, they're kids, right, You 0:07:15.520 --> 0:07:18.080 really have a way of connecting with these players, Stacy. 0:07:18.120 --> 0:07:21.200 What do you think the reason is for that? Is 0:07:21.200 --> 0:07:26.960 it just your outstandingly social nicety that you are or 0:07:27.280 --> 0:07:27.920 what I mean? 0:07:28.160 --> 0:07:29.880 You know your stuff? Number one? Do you think they 0:07:29.880 --> 0:07:30.840 connect in that regard? 0:07:31.160 --> 0:07:34.200 I'm Canadian, so that's part of it. I don't know. 0:07:35.800 --> 0:07:39.920 I honestly, so my approach you guys, we've known each 0:07:39.960 --> 0:07:42.360 other for years, And thank you for saying that. I 0:07:42.400 --> 0:07:45.000 do see your text and if I didn't respond, I apologize. 0:07:45.000 --> 0:07:46.880 I can't stand it when people don't respond to mine, 0:07:46.920 --> 0:07:48.160 So I'm going to improve that. 0:07:48.600 --> 0:07:49.920 If I didn't, I'm no better. 0:07:50.000 --> 0:07:50.400 Believe me. 0:07:51.240 --> 0:07:53.680 We talk though in person, and I appreciate it because 0:07:53.680 --> 0:07:57.080 it is a grind and you got to be prepared 0:07:57.120 --> 0:07:58.640 before you go in and then you've got to just 0:07:58.760 --> 0:08:01.840 jump in. But I don't. I'm not entitled to anything, 0:08:02.560 --> 0:08:06.080 so that's for me. That's the difference. I don't think 0:08:06.240 --> 0:08:09.600 because of anything I've accomplished or anything I've done earns 0:08:09.640 --> 0:08:12.120 me the right or affords me the right. Just to 0:08:13.320 --> 0:08:16.040 get access to anything, you got to work for it. 0:08:16.200 --> 0:08:18.680 You got to plan for it and be grateful when 0:08:18.720 --> 0:08:21.480 it happens, and when it doesn't, maybe next time. So 0:08:22.400 --> 0:08:25.520 when I approach players, I approach them with respect. I 0:08:25.520 --> 0:08:28.280 have done my homework on them, and I give them 0:08:28.440 --> 0:08:31.680 that because they deserve it. And that goes for you guys, 0:08:31.720 --> 0:08:35.360 my colleagues and my friends and any coaches I cover 0:08:35.400 --> 0:08:38.840 in the National Football League. I do my due diligence 0:08:38.840 --> 0:08:41.440 and I always go in without an entitlement. And I 0:08:41.480 --> 0:08:45.440 think that mindset of humility allows me to connect with 0:08:45.520 --> 0:08:49.040 people at a different level. And I'm grateful for those 0:08:49.080 --> 0:08:51.360 moments like, I don't take it for granted for a second. 0:08:52.400 --> 0:08:55.959 Stace, You're an athlete by background. 0:08:56.280 --> 0:08:57.520 When you go out there and. 0:08:57.440 --> 0:09:01.000 You see a combine for a future your football players, 0:09:01.320 --> 0:09:04.680 because of your background and athletics, does it give you 0:09:04.720 --> 0:09:08.679 a chance to look at something, recognize something, notice something, 0:09:08.800 --> 0:09:13.560 pay attention to something that because of your past experience 0:09:13.640 --> 0:09:14.040 helps you. 0:09:14.920 --> 0:09:17.839 Absolutely. I think that's a huge part of it, Tom. 0:09:18.640 --> 0:09:22.280 You know when people have that hit factor with what 0:09:22.320 --> 0:09:25.440 they do, and so like when you're at a podium 0:09:25.600 --> 0:09:28.600 like Terry on Arnold and you've talked to people about 0:09:28.640 --> 0:09:33.480 them the cornerback out Obama and then you get the 0:09:33.520 --> 0:09:36.400 opportunity to speak with this guy, right, he's got the 0:09:36.440 --> 0:09:39.760 it factor. It's just there's something special there. You can 0:09:39.800 --> 0:09:41.679 feel it. And I think that comes from my days. 0:09:41.720 --> 0:09:43.800 I mean, you know, when you play with somebody like 0:09:43.840 --> 0:09:47.240 Shimiki holds claw like, you have to come to a 0:09:47.280 --> 0:09:51.440 different level of a standard and expectation. And so I 0:09:51.440 --> 0:09:53.600 think that in the NFL as well. You're around all 0:09:53.640 --> 0:09:57.319 of these incredible the NFL is, It's like pro sports 0:09:57.360 --> 0:09:59.840 are incredible. I mean, Tom, you played, you want us 0:09:59.840 --> 0:10:05.240 to bowl. There's something special about being around on just 0:10:05.559 --> 0:10:08.720 take Layman's terms of all eleven on a football field 0:10:09.120 --> 0:10:11.560 or all twenty two, Like, you can't play in this 0:10:11.679 --> 0:10:14.200 league if you're not extraordinary. So you just you have 0:10:14.320 --> 0:10:16.440 that mindset, but then you can pick out the guys 0:10:16.440 --> 0:10:19.840 that are really extraordinary and now you've got something special. 0:10:20.040 --> 0:10:23.280 And so I think, you know my days playing at 0:10:23.320 --> 0:10:26.520 every level and being an all star professionally and being 0:10:26.520 --> 0:10:28.920 a team captain on all my teams, I think you 0:10:28.960 --> 0:10:32.720 can kind of learn how each part works on a 0:10:32.760 --> 0:10:35.600 team and how all those personalities come together and then 0:10:35.640 --> 0:10:38.360 pull them out of people, bring out the goodness of people, 0:10:38.559 --> 0:10:41.120 you know, so that I kind of I kind of 0:10:41.120 --> 0:10:43.200 have a little bit of an advantage that way, because 0:10:43.200 --> 0:10:44.840 that's what I feel like I'm able to do with 0:10:44.920 --> 0:10:45.520 these players. 0:10:46.000 --> 0:10:50.120 Watching this combine specifically, and again I've watched every combine 0:10:50.320 --> 0:10:53.160 every year since I've been in and out of football, 0:10:53.720 --> 0:10:57.400 just I enjoy watching it. I really call my attention 0:10:57.520 --> 0:11:01.360 this yearide because I saw some dynam athletes in every 0:11:01.400 --> 0:11:04.840 single position, in more than one, in a lot of positions, 0:11:05.120 --> 0:11:07.320 And I don't know if it's something they're being more 0:11:08.000 --> 0:11:12.560 professionally prepared for the Combine or is this uniquely enough, 0:11:12.640 --> 0:11:15.199 a great group of guys that is gonna set the 0:11:15.600 --> 0:11:18.920 nineteen eighty three or one of the other standards that 0:11:18.960 --> 0:11:21.439 come into a draft and change the league for a 0:11:21.480 --> 0:11:22.480 few years. 0:11:23.000 --> 0:11:26.720 Yeah, I think you're right on, Tom. I think this 0:11:26.760 --> 0:11:31.840 is an extraordinary offensive draft, like the lineman. When I 0:11:31.920 --> 0:11:34.920 was on the field Sunday watching these linemen, and I 0:11:35.000 --> 0:11:38.959 talked to gms around the league offensive line coaches because 0:11:39.000 --> 0:11:41.040 you know, it's just such great access. When you're there, 0:11:42.080 --> 0:11:46.880 they're just salivating. Like this group of tackles, I think 0:11:46.880 --> 0:11:49.280 we're going to see an unprecedented number of tackles get 0:11:49.400 --> 0:11:52.320 drafted in the first round. I mean the number that 0:11:52.600 --> 0:11:54.240 consistently I got back was eight. 0:11:55.000 --> 0:11:55.280 Wow. 0:11:55.360 --> 0:11:58.400 But you know, pick your poison with these guys, like 0:11:58.480 --> 0:12:00.200 and then there's going to be a wave that go 0:12:00.320 --> 0:12:04.920 later on too. As far as it's so deep the 0:12:05.000 --> 0:12:09.840 center position, I like, it's so good. Graham Barton, Jackson, 0:12:09.880 --> 0:12:13.160 Powers Johnson, Like, these guys are technicians, but they're maulers, 0:12:13.520 --> 0:12:17.080 and I am I cannot wait to see how these 0:12:17.160 --> 0:12:22.559 linemen impact their teams next year. Like when I think 0:12:22.559 --> 0:12:25.840 about the Bears, you know, maybe they're one starter away 0:12:25.880 --> 0:12:29.560 from really starting to put together that line, right, I 0:12:29.600 --> 0:12:33.200 love their bookends and think about how good Darnell Wright's 0:12:33.200 --> 0:12:36.400 going to be this year after playing basically the entirety 0:12:36.400 --> 0:12:39.400 of his rookie season and fighting for through a couple 0:12:39.440 --> 0:12:42.240 of things. But man, they got a good one there. Like, 0:12:43.000 --> 0:12:46.400 so I love the linement. The receivers are, I mean, 0:12:46.559 --> 0:12:51.240 save you're worthy. So I'm going to dinner. I'm going 0:12:51.280 --> 0:12:54.839 to Elmos on Sunday night, and I bump into a 0:12:54.880 --> 0:12:57.520 couple of the Chiefs coaches and they grab me. They're 0:12:57.600 --> 0:13:01.240 in stays for whatever, and we started talking because like 0:13:01.360 --> 0:13:03.480 Tyreek Hill, it's a real thing, like what are they 0:13:03.480 --> 0:13:07.560 gonna do with their They want him so badly they 0:13:07.559 --> 0:13:10.800 want Exavier, Like just coaches are gonna say that to you, right, 0:13:10.880 --> 0:13:15.120 But that young man just bumped himself, shot himself right 0:13:15.200 --> 0:13:17.400 up into the first round of the NFL Draft based 0:13:17.480 --> 0:13:22.360 upon his forty He didn't do even dude rollwork. So like, 0:13:22.440 --> 0:13:27.560 these receivers are fast. Romo Dunes is phenomenal to be around, 0:13:28.160 --> 0:13:32.960 Malik Neighbors, Like this group is outstanding. And then you've 0:13:32.960 --> 0:13:36.040 got six quarterbacks and how are they going to fall 0:13:36.080 --> 0:13:39.240 on the board and per you know, understanding Caleb Williams 0:13:39.240 --> 0:13:40.520 is probably going to be a Chicago Bear. 0:13:40.920 --> 0:13:42.000 Tastes like Middle Time. 0:13:42.040 --> 0:13:44.840 Go to middle Night dot com slash bears pod define 0:13:44.840 --> 0:13:48.800 delivery options near you, celebrate responsibly Middle Brewing Company, Milwaukee, Wisconsin. 0:13:48.920 --> 0:13:52.040 Ninety six calories and three point two carbs per twelve ounces. 0:13:52.240 --> 0:13:55.160 Let me pick up the baton there, because your interviews 0:13:55.200 --> 0:13:56.800 were worthy. He was out of breath on the four 0:13:56.840 --> 0:13:59.160 to two two and then it was dropped to a 0:13:59.200 --> 0:14:02.160 four to two one and past the record and the 0:14:02.200 --> 0:14:05.920 place blew up, and then Rome and Donesday's staying and 0:14:06.160 --> 0:14:09.760 repeatedly trying to master that three cone. 0:14:10.360 --> 0:14:13.320 I mean, take me there. I've never seen that before. 0:14:13.880 --> 0:14:16.800 I'm glad you brought this up because I've never seen it. 0:14:16.800 --> 0:14:18.600 So I'm all the way down at the other end 0:14:18.640 --> 0:14:21.280 and we're about to I'm about to log my final 0:14:21.320 --> 0:14:26.080 report for the day. So everybody has finished, and I 0:14:26.120 --> 0:14:29.040 look down and I'm always kind of surveying the field, 0:14:29.080 --> 0:14:31.640 you know. I'm the eyes and ears for so many 0:14:31.720 --> 0:14:34.440 fans that they want to know what's happening. They want 0:14:34.480 --> 0:14:37.320 to know these guys. And I look down and I 0:14:37.360 --> 0:14:42.920 see Rome and what is he doing? He's like huddled 0:14:42.920 --> 0:14:45.880 over because he's winded on his shorts, kind of like 0:14:45.880 --> 0:14:47.840 if you know you're down on your knees you've just 0:14:47.920 --> 0:14:52.280 done something. It's really intense. And I looked at my 0:14:52.440 --> 0:14:55.360 crew and I said, what what is Rome still doing 0:14:55.440 --> 0:14:57.520 droll work for? And I was, you know, I was 0:14:57.560 --> 0:14:59.720 working with one of my colleagues, Jamie was there, and 0:14:59.760 --> 0:15:02.800 she goes, oh. So then I got in my producer's 0:15:02.840 --> 0:15:06.720 ear and I said, guys, I'm seeing this player who's 0:15:06.720 --> 0:15:09.040 going to be probably a top ten pick down doing 0:15:09.080 --> 0:15:11.920 the three cone drill. What the hell's happening? Why is 0:15:11.920 --> 0:15:15.240 he doing this? So I said, let's go. So I 0:15:15.920 --> 0:15:18.280 was like, let's go into production mode. So I walked 0:15:18.320 --> 0:15:20.800 the end of the field and I watched him and 0:15:20.840 --> 0:15:22.880 he was pissed. He was like, he was trying to 0:15:22.960 --> 0:15:27.400 hit below a six six. He kept hitting a you know, 0:15:27.680 --> 0:15:29.600 hitting the cone, so you have to start over. You're 0:15:29.600 --> 0:15:31.840 not allowed to hit the cone with your foot or anything. 0:15:32.440 --> 0:15:34.320 And he's trying to get below a six to six 0:15:34.840 --> 0:15:36.840 and he landed on a six ' eight by the 0:15:36.920 --> 0:15:39.880 end of it, and they had to stop him like 0:15:39.960 --> 0:15:43.920 the combine had ended. And so they said, dude, you 0:15:43.960 --> 0:15:46.200 know the guys that do the testing, like the every group. 0:15:46.360 --> 0:15:47.720 They're like, dude, you're gonna have to do it your 0:15:47.720 --> 0:15:49.520 pro day. What great job. You know, you did a 0:15:49.520 --> 0:15:52.080 really good job today, man, So you know I talked 0:15:52.080 --> 0:15:53.640 to him. He's like, he wanted to be faster, he 0:15:53.720 --> 0:15:55.360 wanted to be on it. This is going to be 0:15:55.400 --> 0:15:58.320 a top ten pick. Models his game after DeVante Adams 0:15:58.320 --> 0:16:00.760 and his route running, and he is going to be 0:16:00.760 --> 0:16:03.400 really special at the next level. That's what that whatever 0:16:03.440 --> 0:16:05.400 team gets them, they're going to get that type of 0:16:05.400 --> 0:16:06.120 a work ethic. 0:16:06.320 --> 0:16:06.600 Tom. 0:16:06.640 --> 0:16:11.040 You contrast that to players that elect not to participate 0:16:11.080 --> 0:16:13.080 for whatever the reasons are, and there are many and 0:16:13.120 --> 0:16:15.120 nets happen over the years. It seems to be growing 0:16:15.120 --> 0:16:19.600 in many of the combine activities, including bench press across 0:16:19.600 --> 0:16:22.920 the board outside of the forty in a vertical jump, 0:16:23.000 --> 0:16:24.760 maybe a broad jump, some. 0:16:24.680 --> 0:16:25.400 Of those drills. 0:16:25.440 --> 0:16:27.960 It's not one hundred percent par dissipation as much as 0:16:28.000 --> 0:16:29.760 we would all like it, and I, you know, I 0:16:29.840 --> 0:16:33.600 get it, it's not for everybody for a variety of 0:16:33.600 --> 0:16:36.280 different reasons and maybe the representation that is in their ear. 0:16:36.320 --> 0:16:37.200 How do you feel about it? 0:16:37.680 --> 0:16:39.760 Well, when I came out in nineteen eighty three, John 0:16:39.800 --> 0:16:41.640 Elway didn't do a lot of stuff at any of 0:16:41.640 --> 0:16:44.960 the combines, and so he was kind of, you know, 0:16:45.120 --> 0:16:48.280 got the behind the scenes whispering of all the other 0:16:48.360 --> 0:16:50.440 players being. 0:16:50.360 --> 0:16:51.880 Envious of the fact that he's got so. 0:16:51.920 --> 0:16:55.680 Much confidence in himself, but also going, wow, I can't 0:16:55.720 --> 0:16:58.880 believe this guy is not going to do anything, because 0:16:59.160 --> 0:17:01.560 you know, this is what we're here for. So you 0:17:01.640 --> 0:17:04.880 have some past experiences, but you know, times have changed, 0:17:04.960 --> 0:17:07.920 and I'm and il money has changed the thinking process 0:17:07.960 --> 0:17:11.159 a lot of a lot of players. But you know, states, 0:17:11.200 --> 0:17:13.240 when you talk about these guys who did well or 0:17:13.240 --> 0:17:16.200 didn't do so well, are there any pro days that 0:17:16.280 --> 0:17:20.240 you're super interested in because you need to see more 0:17:20.400 --> 0:17:23.680 from somebody, or you need to see a little improvement, 0:17:24.280 --> 0:17:26.520 or you just want to see what they're going to 0:17:26.600 --> 0:17:28.640 offer you on their college site. 0:17:29.400 --> 0:17:32.360 Yeah, I mean everybody who didn't do anything at the combine, right, 0:17:32.480 --> 0:17:38.040 Caleb Williams didn't participate, obviously, Drake May didn't participate. Michael 0:17:38.040 --> 0:17:41.280 Pennix did he participate? 0:17:41.359 --> 0:17:41.560 Yeah? 0:17:41.560 --> 0:17:44.920 I loved him. Actually, who Jane Daniels, didn't you Daniels? Yeah, 0:17:45.200 --> 0:17:51.760 Michael Pennox was my favorite quarterback just generally overarching my takeaways, 0:17:51.760 --> 0:17:52.360 I loved him. 0:17:52.800 --> 0:17:54.480 The Ohio State receiver. 0:17:55.400 --> 0:17:59.440 Marvin Harrison was a complete no show, a complete note show, 0:17:59.440 --> 0:18:02.200 didn't even do is media availability. I want to hear 0:18:02.200 --> 0:18:03.800 from him. I want to know kind of what went 0:18:03.840 --> 0:18:04.680 into that decision. 0:18:04.840 --> 0:18:07.760 Are you going to Annie, I don't. 0:18:07.800 --> 0:18:10.879 We're actually covering fewer this guy this year, guys just 0:18:10.920 --> 0:18:14.800 because of our budget, I'm guessing. But we'll probably be 0:18:14.840 --> 0:18:17.520 at the quarterbacks. We'll be at all the top quarterbacks, 0:18:17.560 --> 0:18:20.119 I'm guessing. But yeah, I want to I want to 0:18:20.119 --> 0:18:21.920 be at their pro days. I want to see them work. 0:18:21.960 --> 0:18:25.280 Some of the injured players I definitely want to see 0:18:26.520 --> 0:18:28.600 or at least be able to talk to on a 0:18:28.600 --> 0:18:30.919 different level that are going to be top picks or 0:18:30.920 --> 0:18:33.640 maybe that got hurt and are going to come back. 0:18:33.920 --> 0:18:36.919 Wiggins like, he's the guy who ran super fast for 0:18:36.960 --> 0:18:39.679 the d backs at out of Clemson, and see if 0:18:39.680 --> 0:18:43.560 he's healthy by his pro day. So they're important days. 0:18:43.600 --> 0:18:46.520 I mean, they're really important. And you know, the whole 0:18:46.560 --> 0:18:51.040 Caleb Williams thing not doing the medical I a lot bothered. 0:18:51.040 --> 0:18:53.440 A lot of people didn't bother me, And my takeaway 0:18:53.600 --> 0:18:56.840 was that he wanted to do medical for medicals for 0:18:56.880 --> 0:18:59.720 the teams that are interested in drafting him, and I 0:18:59.720 --> 0:19:01.119 actually don't have a problem with that. 0:19:01.920 --> 0:19:05.400 What were your overall impressions of him talking to him 0:19:05.400 --> 0:19:06.520 and watching at the podium. 0:19:06.520 --> 0:19:11.400 I thought he was very charismatic, Yeah, extremely charismatic, extremely confident. 0:19:13.680 --> 0:19:18.720 I would say he was very purposeful in his public address, 0:19:18.880 --> 0:19:21.280 he actually said I wanted to talk to you guys 0:19:21.320 --> 0:19:24.000 to kind of put together or put to bed some 0:19:24.080 --> 0:19:26.679 of the noise that's out there. I thought he answered 0:19:26.760 --> 0:19:32.359 questions without any reaction, Like as far as emotional, you know, 0:19:32.400 --> 0:19:34.760 when people said, are what you know? Talk about him 0:19:34.800 --> 0:19:37.640 as a competitor, why he, you know, got so emotional 0:19:37.720 --> 0:19:41.239 after a loss? Like I don't. Part of me and 0:19:41.480 --> 0:19:43.080 you can chime in on this as part of me 0:19:43.160 --> 0:19:45.879 doesn't understand why people were so upset that he was 0:19:45.920 --> 0:19:50.120 so upset after he lost, Like when you put everything 0:19:50.160 --> 0:19:54.320 into this thing as a former athlete, I lost games 0:19:54.320 --> 0:19:58.560 where I was in the locker room sobbing, like it's 0:19:58.560 --> 0:20:01.240