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Speaker 1: in man on this beautiful Nashville day.
Speaker 2: Drury out there, man, a little drear dury outdoors out there, man, Yeah,
Speaker 2: a little rough out there.
Speaker 1: It's Mark Drury out there, very dry. Which way do
Speaker 1: you come into town? Twenty four earlier?
Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm out in jolting so yeah twenty four man,
Speaker 4: it's fine tit or miss you hit that right window.
Speaker 4: It's usually not bad. But this was not fun this morning.
Speaker 1: Sixty five North has always hit. Yeah, it's always hit.
Speaker 1: Which one is the bad hit or miss?
Speaker 2: Miss? It's always miss, it's always miss.
Speaker 4: I had to thank for his second.
Speaker 2: I feel like it was pretty nice this morning, honestly.
Speaker 2: I mean usually yeah, I mean it got took me
Speaker 2: forty minutes to get here. I got jammed up twice,
Speaker 2: and I got gas. I tell you, I tell you
Speaker 2: the truth. Though I walked in. We got some gas station.
Speaker 2: We always hit on the way end, and I've been
Speaker 2: trying to clean it up lately. Yeah, you know. And
Speaker 2: I had a biscuit and it's probably been since a
Speaker 2: legit full biscuit. It's probably been nine months. Bro. That
Speaker 2: poor that poor cooin is. It was hit in there.
Speaker 2: They had a full rack, like the biscuit rack maxed
Speaker 2: out do anything you wanted.
Speaker 4: Do they have like a hot and ready sign.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's like it's like a pizza. It's like a
Speaker 1: like one of them like pizza oven things like warmer things.
Speaker 2: And they just got biscuits.
Speaker 1: I was another day and I got a biscuit, and uh,
Speaker 1: you could tell some like it's pretty, we're pretty. It's
Speaker 1: right by my house too, and we're thirty five minutes
Speaker 1: south of town, right below Franklin Thompson Station Spring.
Speaker 2: And so it's pretty. It's pretty country out there, and
Speaker 2: you could tell this dude, this the brand new Bronco
Speaker 2: rolled in and uh jumped out with the kids and
Speaker 2: he ran in and he had on a tank top
Speaker 2: and I was like, oh, this got my, you know.
Speaker 2: So he comes in and he's like this got my?
Speaker 2: What what are you talking about? It might not be from.
Speaker 1: Around like it didn't look like he's from around there.
Speaker 1: And uh, and he ran in and there was like
Speaker 1: two biscuits left. It was like nine forty five. And
Speaker 1: he was like, he's like, y'all got any more biscuits
Speaker 1: in the back. She was like, no, honey, that's it.
Speaker 1: We put them out and people come get them. And
Speaker 1: he was like, oh, he's like you know, He's like,
Speaker 1: I didn't. I didn't know you got rid of them
Speaker 1: so fast. She was like, we're on farm time around here.
Speaker 1: Some she was like, she was like, it's sint city time.
Speaker 1: She was like them farmers come in and get them quick.
Speaker 1: And it's true if you get if you try to
Speaker 1: get a bit biscuit after ten o'clock, ain't happen.
Speaker 2: Yeah, no I didn't, but it was it was smelling.
Speaker 2: They must have just delivered them something due it was,
Speaker 2: And I turned around and I even felt like my
Speaker 2: brain go, hey, man, I don't get you wanted. Man,
Speaker 2: it's been nine months, bro, good for you to celebrate.
Speaker 2: And then I didn't, you didn't. I walked out side.
Speaker 2: I ate that banana as fast as possibly could and
Speaker 2: drink that protein ship, thinking about fast, trying to make
Speaker 2: that banana taste like that poor. I was sniffing. I
Speaker 2: was sniffing, trying to get as much of it in
Speaker 2: my body as I could.
Speaker 4: Dude, places like that, you don't have to like sniff
Speaker 4: too hard, man, there's a certain aura. I grew up
Speaker 4: on that stuff, man, gas station biscuits time. My uncle's
Speaker 4: on the shot back home, and I would eat there
Speaker 4: every morning you just swing through that. You had the
Speaker 4: Haunts Brothers hunk of pizza and I don't know, if
Speaker 4: you have that, it'll uh yeah, it'll take me back. Man,
Speaker 4: it's good stuff.
Speaker 2: It'll take me back to the restaurant. Now. Yeah, those
Speaker 2: days are over, man, I like I liked those days
Speaker 2: and they were great days. Yeah, it's a thing of
Speaker 2: the past for me.
Speaker 4: Man.
Speaker 2: I just can't do it anymore. I mean, like my
Speaker 2: body is like I think my body is like, hey man,
Speaker 2: we've had enough. Like you like whatever your tank is
Speaker 2: of like gas station, chicken strips, hot wings, fish basically,
Speaker 2: uh and pizza. It's like you're fool.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I get that, man.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'll sting. I'll sting one every now, man, just
Speaker 2: to look get a little pinch that little taste. Man scratching.
Speaker 4: Oh man, speaking of I hopped on my truck this morning.
Speaker 4: This just cracked me up because I quit, you know,
Speaker 4: I did it for a long time, since I was
Speaker 4: like sixteen or you know, you know how it is.
Speaker 4: And I hop in my truck this morning and I've
Speaker 4: been you know, in my truck for a year, and
Speaker 4: I was like looking for something, reached up top, pulled
Speaker 4: out a brand new, unopened can of the.
Speaker 2: Kid. Yeah, that's come on though, I put it right
Speaker 2: back where it was. I did. You didn't throw out
Speaker 2: the window. We'll see how I do.
Speaker 4: On the way home. Who I'm right with. I'm right
Speaker 4: with Hay slip, I'm dipping.
Speaker 2: I ain't no doubt you're right with him? A good bit. Yeah,
Speaker 2: we love that. We just right with the last week. Yeah,
Speaker 2: he's a trick. He's been on here before. He's fun
Speaker 2: baseball guy. Yeah, his boys are ross studs. Man. I
Speaker 2: love falling him. Man, it's fun. Yeah, ers to man,
Speaker 2: I know. Yeah for Bama, he's out, he's not people. Yeah,
Speaker 2: that's right. Yeah, you a b or something other?
Speaker 1: Oh really, Georgia, Hey, before we get get into that,
Speaker 1: congrats on the new addition to the fam.
Speaker 4: Yeah, thanks man.
Speaker 2: How what do you got? You got three kids? Now?
Speaker 2: Three boy? Girl boy? What you got girl? Boy girl
Speaker 2: girl boy girl? Uh? It's been awesome, man, I love
Speaker 2: I love being a dad.
Speaker 4: I didn't. I didn't, you know, see my career happening
Speaker 4: this way, with like having a family already established and
Speaker 4: all that. But thank god, you know, honestly, it's it's
Speaker 4: been a really good I don't know, driving force for me,
Speaker 4: I guess, and and still like staying out on the
Speaker 4: road because I have something, you know, yeah, to do
Speaker 4: it for like a bigger purpose. So that's cool, man.
Speaker 4: I love doing it. I love I love getting to
Speaker 4: be home for a couple of days and you know,
Speaker 4: hang out with them, make up for lost time. It's fun.
Speaker 4: But you know, the the beautiful thing where I'm at
Speaker 4: right now, I'm super Uh. I don't know. I don't
Speaker 4: know if this falls into your uh what's the the
Speaker 4: what you what you're mad at? Yeah, I don't know
Speaker 4: if it falls into that, but it's the opposite. I'm
Speaker 4: just I'm so thankful I get to do this. Man,
Speaker 4: I've been uh, you know, I did Chase Chase music
Speaker 4: for a long time. I was in the bluegrass world
Speaker 4: for like ten years and started traveling when I was
Speaker 4: like eleven. You know, we're playing one hundred and fifty
Speaker 4: shows a year in middle school, and so it's been
Speaker 4: you know, I've been after a long time, not necessarily
Speaker 4: in Nashville, but it's been cool. Man's that's awesome.
Speaker 2: That's awesome. You know, I saw I saw a meme
Speaker 2: or something of the day that Chapel Roon was saying,
Speaker 2: is that how you saying? I don't know as I
Speaker 2: say that, right? Is it? Chappelle Chaparral?
Speaker 4: That would have been my first?
Speaker 2: Ye, Chaparral, that's it. I saw her say that. I thought,
Speaker 2: She's like, why would I want to have kids? All
Speaker 2: my friends that I know who have kids are miserable,
Speaker 2: you know. And a lot of people are kind of
Speaker 2: replying to that. And yesterday I was mowing the yard.
Speaker 2: My kids are really in the four wheelers right now.
Speaker 2: I got a five, two and eight months so my
Speaker 2: girl boy boy, so we recently got her a little
Speaker 2: four wheeler. I got a motor four wheeler, and we
Speaker 2: got my son of twenty four little four wheeler. And
Speaker 2: I was on the zero turn and I was cutting.
Speaker 2: I was cutting like lanes, and I was watching them.
Speaker 2: They were riding through the light, so I would cutting
Speaker 2: outside lane and they take off on their little fourhelers
Speaker 2: and ride around while I'm on the zero turning. I
Speaker 2: was like, man, I wish I could bring Chapel rom
Speaker 2: and put her on my zero turn right now and
Speaker 2: just let her see and experience like what I'm experiencing
Speaker 2: right now because I'm gonna tell you something like there
Speaker 2: was a joy in that and it was nothing, right,
Speaker 2: it was nothing, It was me cutting the grass, but
Speaker 2: there was a joy in that. I was like, this
Speaker 2: would change your mind. Like this section, this five minutes
Speaker 2: of watching the them laughing and throw their head back
Speaker 2: in the sunshine while the winds blowing their hair, their
Speaker 2: curly hair around in those cut lanes. Dude, that's the best.
Speaker 2: I'm just here to tell you, man, It it deepens
Speaker 2: the well.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, for sure, there's some there's some five minute
Speaker 1: moments that would probably not change her mind.
Speaker 2: Oh there's there's some six hour beat. There's some six
Speaker 2: hour beach trips that would that would definitely you know,
Speaker 2: drive them. Also, I'd love to see somebody like that
Speaker 2: on a zero turn. You can't tell me, but you
Speaker 2: can't tell me that the good don't outweigh the battle
Speaker 2: a million percent.
Speaker 4: Yeah you know you're you're dead, all man. It's I
Speaker 4: love It amazes me how like, you know, I don't
Speaker 4: know how else to say it, but simply minded children
Speaker 4: are like they just like they they'll notice stars. I
Speaker 4: don't even remember the last time I like looked up
Speaker 4: and was like, oh yeah, there's stars. Yeah, it's just
Speaker 4: like they're they're so oblivious to all the bad in
Speaker 4: the world.
Speaker 2: It's that child like faith. Man, it's that.
Speaker 1: It's that in a sense of of not seeing behind.
Speaker 1: They hadn't seen behind any curtains and there, you know,
Speaker 1: like they're looking at everything.
Speaker 2: Crazy. It's crazy. You said that. We were at reads
Speaker 2: last night. We left and my daughter said, oh, look,
Speaker 2: my star's following me. And I was like, what because
Speaker 2: we left we they're usually in bed, you know. Yeah,
Speaker 2: we're on the way home from reads from Easter and
Speaker 2: uh and and Boone said, you have my stars? I said,
Speaker 2: they literally noticed the stars. Man, when's the last time
Speaker 2: you looked up? Oh, there's the star there. Yeah.
Speaker 4: We're just so busy and you know, doing our own
Speaker 4: things like you forget sometimes, like you know, slow down
Speaker 4: there there there's I love kids, man. I've got a
Speaker 4: three year old, almost two year old, and uh, a
Speaker 4: month old. Maybe I don't know. I don't know, man, you.
Speaker 2: Must be sleeping a lot.
Speaker 1: Yeah to me, let me ask you one more kid
Speaker 1: question then we'll we'll get into it. So I've got
Speaker 1: girl boy right now, same thing. Might will be my
Speaker 1: first will be three in May. My boy will be.
Speaker 2: Two in September, and everybody a, sorry, why don't I
Speaker 2: always say September? My bad? I got it all mixed
Speaker 2: up too.
Speaker 1: You were close, so you said you got girl boy girl.
Speaker 1: When people ask me, they're like, if you have another
Speaker 1: what do you want? I'm like, boy, man, boy, because
Speaker 1: my little girl is my my angel, and I can't
Speaker 1: imagine having another one. Honestly, man, I can't imagine having
Speaker 1: another girl and and split, not that you split, and
Speaker 1: I know it'd be perfect either way, and I'm sure
Speaker 1: it is, but uh, they require a little bit. What
Speaker 1: was that for you having having another girl?
Speaker 2: Uh?
Speaker 4: I mean you're you're ready. They require more attention, you know,
Speaker 4: at least right now. And it's funny because I thought
Speaker 4: the same thing is when we found out it was
Speaker 4: another girl, it was just like, oh no, dude, there's
Speaker 4: no way, Like WILLI is the same one, because WILLI
Speaker 4: is my my first too, so like there's that can
Speaker 4: also she's like the one that made me a dad,
Speaker 4: right And now I'm like, oh, man, I gotta I
Speaker 4: gotta find something something. One of my uh, one of
Speaker 4: my mentors, Kevin shrim told me, he's like, man, don't
Speaker 4: it's like when we found out, He's like, don't worry
Speaker 4: about it. He's like, there's a secret little door that
Speaker 4: God puts in your heart for for that third Like
Speaker 4: like there's it's there.
Speaker 2: You just wait. I'm like a whole lot.
Speaker 4: It's there, man. Yeah, but it's it's been fun. I
Speaker 4: you know, she's still a little a little you know,
Speaker 4: vegetable right now, so you know, it's just cute getting
Speaker 4: the getting to hold her. Uh you know, I don't know, man,
Speaker 4: every every time I'm home, Like that's that's the fun
Speaker 4: part now is I'm able to to go out and
Speaker 4: play shows on the weekend, and that's when I get
Speaker 4: to hang out with my boys, you know, like that's
Speaker 4: when we have fun and we're still grinding and working.
Speaker 4: But you know, that's the that's the fun part of
Speaker 4: it to me is is we're able to do that
Speaker 4: and then come home for usual a couple of days
Speaker 4: during the week and right in town and stuff. So
Speaker 4: I've been getting like the full circle, you know.
Speaker 2: Part of it. So yeah, it's full it's full term. Yeah.
Speaker 1: We'd like to do a little segment John called what
Speaker 1: you mad at Just tell us what it is, what
Speaker 1: you're mad at is that your in lost kids might
Speaker 1: be boss.
Speaker 2: Man or your neighbor's cat. Just tell us what you mad.
Speaker 2: The first three that's the first thing I had to
Speaker 2: I thought I knew where it was going. You did good? No,
Speaker 2: uh you mad anything? Bluegrass guy, that's where he hit
Speaker 2: the right, got you got.
Speaker 4: I mean it's just waiting at haven't have any I
Speaker 4: don't know, man, I uh, you'd be glad to I'm
Speaker 4: I'm mad at airlines and actually I'm I'm mad at DNA.
Speaker 2: Bro. I'm like, I'm like, what's going on here? Okay,
Speaker 2: they're still working on everything?
Speaker 4: Well, no that we we show up right and they're
Speaker 4: they're like not busy, not busy, it's early morning flight whatever,
Speaker 4: Like not a lot going on. That is when they're
Speaker 4: okay with you not taking everything out of your guitar case, right,
Speaker 4: They're like, oh yeah, go on through. It's when they're
Speaker 4: like maxed out of the you know, out of the
Speaker 4: back doors, and that's that's when they're like, you know,
Speaker 4: they make you take everything out, like down to your picks.
Speaker 4: I'm like, bro, your yeah, because you know, we've been
Speaker 4: flying a lot, so I'm like packing. I have like
Speaker 4: closed computer in my you know, my roads. Yeah, and
Speaker 4: it's just every time, dude, I'm like, what how does
Speaker 4: that even happen?
Speaker 2: Man?
Speaker 4: Like what that doesn't make sense to me? Like why
Speaker 4: have you got the fast pass whatever it's called. Yeah,
Speaker 4: I got pre check Yeah, and it's that's been nice.
Speaker 4: Yeah that has a few spots. Yeah, sometimes it don't matter.
Speaker 1: But sometimes it don't matter, right, Yeah, I took a
Speaker 1: load of nine millimeters into an airport before, so I don't.
Speaker 2: I can't get.
Speaker 1: That'll do it for a while anything. Yeah, I got
Speaker 1: a I got a short lower back pain is what
Speaker 1: I'm mad at. I've never dealt with it until now,
Speaker 1: and we've been towing our kids around a whole lot
Speaker 1: and staring down forty on my lower back is crash sh.
Speaker 2: I'm mad at uh. Like when you go to Walmart
Speaker 2: broker and there's the like the obvious like walkway, this
Speaker 2: goes two ways. What do you mean walkway thing like
Speaker 2: between the aisles and stuff? No, no, no, When you're
Speaker 2: pulling your car in front of the building, there's like
Speaker 2: that you stop to let people go across, you know, yeah,
Speaker 2: like the main strip. I really get mad when people
Speaker 2: stop me. When I'm driving and give you a hand
Speaker 2: and stuff right there, I'm right right clear, Yeah, yeah, yeah, dude,
Speaker 2: there's I'm stopping. I get it. I also hate. I
Speaker 2: also hate when I'm that person and I'm going to
Speaker 2: walk across and they go like they wave you on,
Speaker 2: tell you to move. Yeah. I'm like, I know, I'm
Speaker 2: about to walk to see the cross I'm about to
Speaker 2: walk across. I don't need you to direct me to go.
Speaker 2: I'm going. You need to be the one that stops.
Speaker 2: Sounds like a personal problem. It sounds like a deeper,
Speaker 2: deeper roots up. If I'm walking across the crosswalk, I'm
Speaker 2: not going to turn and thank you for allowing me
Speaker 2: to go because you posted to let me go. Yeah.
Speaker 2: And if I'm pulling up, I'm not stopping because you'
Speaker 2: putting your hand up. I'm stopping because I was stopping already.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 4: There's a lot of people that don't understand the term
Speaker 4: right of way. A lot of people I don't get it.
Speaker 4: I understand that it's not a it's not.
Speaker 2: A consideration, it's an actuality. You have to do it. Yeah.
Speaker 4: Yeah, Yeah, that's a good one, bro.
Speaker 2: I appreciate that I would hold out for a couple
Speaker 2: of weeks. It sounds like, Okay, I came down.
Speaker 1: Yeah, hey, man, where's like where It's not It's it's
Speaker 1: really not normal for us to get somebody in here
Speaker 1: that we do not know, like at all. I have
Speaker 1: never met and you know, because the road is a
Speaker 1: small place, a small town and in the middle of
Speaker 1: a big city, and you kind of know everybody. And
Speaker 1: it's one of those things where anytime we meet somebody
Speaker 1: that does what we do, it's always like you feel
Speaker 1: like you don't know each other, but you know each other.
Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 4: You might not know us, but we kind of know you. Yeah, no,
Speaker 4: I know you guess for sure. Man, I've been fans
Speaker 4: for a minute. It's just it's like you said's funny
Speaker 4: how we haven't cross paths.
Speaker 2: Ye.
Speaker 4: Yeah, there's there's a few people I've said the same
Speaker 4: thing to when I when we finally met, I'm like, dude,
Speaker 4: I don't know why it took us so long.
Speaker 2: You know, it's like we're instant buddies. I literally like years.
Speaker 2: Sometimes it takes years. I mean we've been to town
Speaker 2: twelve fifteen years only yeah, uh going on six years. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: where's home? Like, where's home for you? Where'd you grow up?
Speaker 3: Uh?
Speaker 4: Silver, North Carolina. It's like probably forty five minutes west
Speaker 4: of Asheville in the area Smokies. Yeah, okay, yeah, it's
Speaker 4: not far. It's probably four and a half five hours
Speaker 4: from here.
Speaker 2: J'all get hit with the storm, the big storm. Yeah,
Speaker 2: dude was wild because I was here and.
Speaker 4: I was watching it, and I knew it was going
Speaker 4: to be really close. I knew were going to get
Speaker 4: a lot of rain, but I didn't know if we
Speaker 4: were going to get directly hit. So I was watching it,
Speaker 4: and literally the last second it went right around my
Speaker 4: hometown and went through Burnsville and all that, and dude
Speaker 4: absolutely wiped Burnsville out.
Speaker 2: Really.
Speaker 4: One of one of the guys in my uh in
Speaker 4: my camp on the road. Uh, he's from there, and
Speaker 4: he called me. We were going out to I think
Speaker 4: we were going to Charleston, like the day after it happened,
Speaker 4: and he called me. He's like, dude, I can't, I can't. Uh,
Speaker 4: I can't go this weekend or it's gonna be tough
Speaker 4: because I got to go back home and get my
Speaker 4: mom out of her house.
Speaker 2: She was like surrounded by water, you know, had no power,
Speaker 2: no running water for a couple of days. So I
Speaker 2: heard so many stories like that from did he boat
Speaker 2: to her? How did he get to her? No?
Speaker 4: They I think him and his brother drove as far
Speaker 4: up as they could and then they hiked the rest
Speaker 4: of the way.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, it was you know, it was. It was wild.
Speaker 4: He's sending me pictures and like videos of just like
Speaker 4: you know, vans like just crushed just by water.
Speaker 1: You know, it's like seeing some of those towns in
Speaker 1: the like in the valleys down there between just completely gone.
Speaker 1: You know, you just see the foundation and mud.
Speaker 2: Yeah, roads, like infrastructure, the entire thing just like just
Speaker 2: like you took your hand, it just went going downhill.
Speaker 2: Is a powerful force when there's a lot of it. Well,
Speaker 2: I didn't understand it really until Zach Massy gave us
Speaker 2: that that he talked to us about it on here,
Speaker 2: and he said, basically, imagine like a tidal wave coming through,
Speaker 2: except it's coming at like sixty miles an hour like
Speaker 2: the force behind because it was coming downhill. When that
Speaker 2: damn broke, it was coming downhill, it just I mean
Speaker 2: just crushed everything nothing hold that dude. Water is a
Speaker 2: dangerous thing. Man, well, are they get making on their feet?
Speaker 2: Everything is?
Speaker 4: I think so, Man, it's you know, people people there.
Speaker 4: It's like, you know, they take care of their own.
Speaker 2: There was a lot of.
Speaker 4: A lot of uh, I don't want to say, like
Speaker 4: false information. It just wasn't getting talked about, you know,
Speaker 4: and enough. I don't think I know that. You know,
Speaker 4: Church and Luke and those guys did a huge fundraisers
Speaker 4: did a lot, but you know, like immediately it wasn't like,
Speaker 4: you know, there wasn't a ton of like awareness about it.
Speaker 4: I don't think like how how bad it actually was.
Speaker 4: And so it took a minute. But I had had
Speaker 4: guys on the road tell me that one of my
Speaker 4: buddies has a trucking company and he was like, man,
Speaker 4: we're trying to get in there. We had like eight
Speaker 4: semis full of supplies that we're trying to get in there,
Speaker 4: and uh FEMA was turning them away because they didn't
Speaker 4: have the right permit to be crossing over.
Speaker 2: So you hear stuff like that and you're like, what, like,
Speaker 2: you know what I mean, don't make sense.
Speaker 4: And he was on the ground like he was there.
Speaker 4: He made several trips and and that was just like
Speaker 4: one of the first ones. He's like, dude, we literally
Speaker 4: just rerouted. We just because the roads were all messed
Speaker 4: up anyway. It was like we just found another way,
Speaker 4: you know. Yeah, it was like they were turning people away.
Speaker 4: And yeah, they had like they were bringing, they were
Speaker 4: dropping supplies, right, and then they had nowhere to store
Speaker 4: these supplies, so all the supplies were just out in
Speaker 4: the weather and like, yeah, so it was just weird stuff.
Speaker 4: But I won't get into all that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, something you can't prepare for figured out and try
Speaker 2: to get through it. Well, you never expect something like
Speaker 2: that to go through that area too. Like that.
Speaker 4: That was the crazy thing to me. It was like
Speaker 4: no one there has flood insurance or anything like that.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 4: Yeah, so it was it was wild, man. But I
Speaker 4: think they're I think they're back on their feet. And
Speaker 4: I came through Hot Springs not too long ago, about
Speaker 4: a month ago, and you know, forty still shut down,
Speaker 4: but I think half of it's opened back up now.
Speaker 4: But I went through Hot Springs and yeah, it was
Speaker 4: like flooring outside of everybody's houses, you know, they just ripped,
Speaker 4: had to rip the whole floor. Yeah, it was just crazy.
Speaker 4: It was like you were saying, but what was.
Speaker 1: What was your outdoor experience growing up? Like, did you
Speaker 1: hunt your fish? Yeah, I'd say, are you in the mountains? Yeah, okay,
Speaker 1: that's a little different. That's yeah, mountain hunting is pretty different. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: it's It's funny. We we didn't have there's a there's
Speaker 1: a few deer around me. But I didn't.
Speaker 4: I didn't get into like white tail until really, like
Speaker 4: I was late in high school. Man, I didn't. I was,
Speaker 4: like I said, I was always playing music every weekend
Speaker 4: we were gone, you know, and I'm playing all these festivals.
Speaker 4: And then I played ball, you know when I was
Speaker 4: in during the week, went to school and played ball
Speaker 4: and did all that.
Speaker 2: So I stayed busy. But how did you have time
Speaker 2: to play hundred dates a year if you're playing ball?
Speaker 4: It was back and forth, man, Yeah, it really was.
Speaker 4: Looking back on it, I'm like, I don't know how
Speaker 4: we did that.
Speaker 2: But are you playing that many dates now? Yeah? Maybe not.
Speaker 2: I don't know.
Speaker 4: Uh yeah, I probably will this year. Uh but yeah,
Speaker 4: it was just I don't know. It was wild man.
Speaker 4: You know, we're always on the road. So again I
Speaker 4: got into bow hunting, you know, pretty heavily about three
Speaker 4: four years ago, and because oh dude, I love it.
Speaker 4: One of one of my friends I met on the road,
Speaker 4: he sent me a brand new Phase four and I
Speaker 4: haven't got it set up yet, but I've been shooting
Speaker 4: my my buddies. I bought my buddies Dad's old Botech
Speaker 4: and I just have that thing dialed in. Yeah, And
Speaker 4: I'm like, I don't want to sit in the stand
Speaker 4: if I don't know what I'm shooting. Yea, I know
Speaker 4: I can put this one in in a small group.
Speaker 4: So it's a lot of fun. Man, how far do
Speaker 4: you feel like, how okay?
Speaker 2: What's what's max distance for you that you feel confident shooting? Confident?
Speaker 4: Oh? Man, I mean I've slung on it probably about
Speaker 4: sixty sixty, but that I've hit sixty, you know, just
Speaker 4: just target shooting.
Speaker 2: But dude, a different thing when there's there's whatever.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I was probably six feet off, like it was bad.
Speaker 4: I had I had a glow tip on it too,
Speaker 4: because it was late, it was getting late. I was
Speaker 4: hunting up in Minnesota last year and this massive dough
Speaker 4: comes out right like right before it's getting dark. And
Speaker 4: it was about sixty yards and she was coming across
Speaker 4: the ridge. I mean, I was like, I'm gonna try, man,
Speaker 4: I gotta I'm tired of sitting out here. So I
Speaker 4: flung one and sure enough it got buried in the
Speaker 4: corner field. Never found it. I had a glow tip
Speaker 4: on it, Like, howd on I am not seeing this
Speaker 4: in the snow?
Speaker 3: You know?
Speaker 4: Yeah?
Speaker 2: It was wild, Yeah, I was. I was sitting around
Speaker 2: the fire the other day.
Speaker 1: Enjoy was out walking in the backyard, kids riding their
Speaker 1: little boys around and hanging out, and and Jordan came up.
Speaker 1: She goes, look what I found? And it was a
Speaker 1: maximum red Like I mean, like like about probably three
Speaker 1: years ago that I shot and missed.
Speaker 2: The target hard to find. Once you let them go,
Speaker 2: they're hard to find. Yeah, what do you? Uh so
Speaker 2: you said you're on the road a lot? What do
Speaker 2: you do out on the road to like you look?
Speaker 1: I mean, you sound like a like a like an outdoorsman.
Speaker 1: How do you like, how do you do that out
Speaker 1: on the road? How do you how do you scratch
Speaker 1: that ditch out there?
Speaker 4: I don't get to a lot really, Yeah, that's that's
Speaker 4: one of the hard things about the road, you know,
Speaker 4: I grew up like even though it wasn't like I
Speaker 4: did a lot of small small game hunting. Most of
Speaker 4: the guys, most of my buddies back home ran dogs.
Speaker 4: They either rancoon dogs or they were bear hunters, you know, and.
Speaker 2: Really bear the mountain.
Speaker 4: Yeah, man, yeah, they just they run dogs. And I
Speaker 4: I never I never got into it. But you know,
Speaker 4: I was always hanging around those guys and watching how
Speaker 4: they worked them.
Speaker 2: And it was a lot of fun.
Speaker 4: But I don't know, man, I just I got a
Speaker 4: small squirrel hunted and turkey hunted and did all that.
Speaker 4: But you know, honestly, I fished a lot more than
Speaker 4: I hunted. I love stream fishing, and you know, we
Speaker 4: up in the mountains. There's the Tuck River runs tuck
Speaker 4: Sig River runs through my hometown, and it's like a
Speaker 4: really popular place for fly fishing. A lot of fly
Speaker 4: fishermen come through there. So I never got into that.
Speaker 4: I just I've always just opened reeled and I just
Speaker 4: loved doing that, man, just walking up and putting your
Speaker 4: waiters on, walking up the creek and fishing. But I
Speaker 4: don't know, man, I I do love whitetail now, man,
Speaker 4: I've got the buck i haven't killed a buck yet
Speaker 4: with a boat, so I'm like, I'm trying to I'm
Speaker 4: trying to check that one off.
Speaker 1: That was my first deer I shot with my That
Speaker 1: was the first buck I shot with my bow in Illinois,
Speaker 1: and I've been I've been bow hunting for close to
Speaker 1: probably five six seven years before ever even getting a dude.
Speaker 1: It's hard, man, It's hard getting them big deer, yeah,
Speaker 1: close to your stand, It's really hard.
Speaker 2: And then it's hard executing the shot with a bow. Yeah,
Speaker 2: it's it's hard. I mean, you're you know what I
Speaker 2: feel like when a white tail goes from three to four,
Speaker 2: this like mega jump happens in their maturity to where
Speaker 2: it's like they're just they just change into a different animal.
Speaker 2: It's almost like you're hunting a different animal. And if
Speaker 2: you're trying to kill that or hunt that quality of
Speaker 2: a of an animal, like you're gonna have to work out.
Speaker 2: You had to put some time in, you know. And uh,
Speaker 2: I mean you go shoot a little six point or
Speaker 2: something and get your feet wet if you want, and
Speaker 2: then there's nothing absolutely nothing wrong with that. But I'm
Speaker 2: saying that jump from three to four is a that's
Speaker 2: a different animal. Man.
Speaker 1: Yeah, we're the same way, man, we do. We've we're
Speaker 1: two weeks in the Turkey season now and we've had
Speaker 1: a heck. I hope everybody's Turkey season is going to
Speaker 1: again as Arthadel. We've had a heck of season.
Speaker 4: That's awesome.
Speaker 1: But my turkey tank is this compared to my deer tank.
Speaker 1: My I wish I wish it was November fifteenth every
Speaker 1: day of the year, you know. And I'm sitting in
Speaker 1: Kansas and a and a you know, just a bohunt.
Speaker 1: But uh but but I will say, man, you talk
Speaker 1: about stream fishing like there is, it's hard to beat
Speaker 1: ripping smallies and brown trout out of a little creek
Speaker 1: with a with a spinning reel man and.
Speaker 2: Cg in a song. I didn't know. Hey, I didn't
Speaker 2: know that river. Uh, but somebody from it might be. Yeah.
Speaker 4: I was gonna say, see up there close Asheville, close
Speaker 4: to the Tug.
Speaker 2: Is that close? Yeah? That's a cool name for a river.
Speaker 4: Cool.
Speaker 2: Yeah, great there. Yeah, you called the Tuck.
Speaker 4: That's what my touring company was, Tuck River Touring. That
Speaker 4: was the only one that was available. I tried to
Speaker 4: eight hundred more. I'm like, how does everyone There's no
Speaker 4: way all these are taken, just like doing being my name?
Speaker 2: What's my name?
Speaker 3: Uh?
Speaker 2: Man? I got a few. I think my I think
Speaker 2: it's racks and plaques right now. Oh nice, Wow, that's good.
Speaker 4: That's good.
Speaker 2: I was sitting with Lindsay Rhymes, who was an Australian
Speaker 2: songwriter here in town, and he was trying to come
Speaker 2: up with a name and I said, dude, you know
Speaker 2: what you need to do and he was like what
Speaker 2: And I was like, koala, t's kuality quality too from Australia.
Speaker 2: He was like, oh my god, and so he uh
Speaker 2: he changed it to And so we were at the
Speaker 2: Bemis he got he got an award for a number
Speaker 2: one and they're like, Lindsay Rymes with quality, dude. I
Speaker 2: was like, yeah. So he never hunted or anything like that.
Speaker 2: He would get He would be funny on the show
Speaker 2: just because he has no idea about any of it,
Speaker 2: like no stuff. And it was the first time we
Speaker 2: were at Sony and we were so broke at the time.
Speaker 2: We had to like I would literally bring in whatever
Speaker 2: my dad cooked from the weekend, you know, and eat
Speaker 2: on it all all week So I had these little
Speaker 2: medallions where we had taken a white tail tender lorning,
Speaker 2: you know, cut into medallions and grilled them. And so
Speaker 2: I was like a little fillet, like a little white
Speaker 2: So when I pulled that little baggy out, I had
Speaker 2: a rite and I ran in there to get some
Speaker 2: lunch real quick, and I grabbed that baggy out and uh,
Speaker 2: he had come in behind me. I didn't know it.
Speaker 2: And so when I pulled it out, you know they're
Speaker 2: like little rounds. Yeah, he was, oh cookies. And I
Speaker 2: was like, no, man, yeah, go get you. This is
Speaker 2: he is? What is it? And I said, this is
Speaker 2: deer Tony and this is like me? This is I said, actually, man,
Speaker 2: it's really great. Would you like to try what? He was? Oh? No,
Speaker 2: I like my I like my meat from the store.
Speaker 2: I was like, all right, man, this is not from
Speaker 2: the store. But no, not a chance. Good dude, though,
Speaker 2: good dude, chout hey. What's what's something? What's something from
Speaker 2: from your childhoodhood like growing up and out door or
Speaker 2: is that you that you wish to pass on to
Speaker 2: your little ones.
Speaker 4: That's a good question, man, I mean I think it
Speaker 4: it's honestly, I think just a great time to spend
Speaker 4: uh with somebody, you know, if you're you got somebody.
Speaker 4: I like I personally when I'm bow hunting, I like
Speaker 4: being by myself.
Speaker 2: I don't I don't want.
Speaker 4: Yeah, Like I like that time, especially now because that's
Speaker 4: you know, especially now, Yeah, especially now for all the reasons.
Speaker 4: But it's just fun, uh, you know, being out in
Speaker 4: the woods, especially if you're out in the middle of
Speaker 4: nowhere too. Like that's my favorite. That's that's what I
Speaker 4: loved about back home. There were those spots where like
Speaker 4: you can go out and not hear nothing, you know,
Speaker 4: like you're just hearing you know, wildlife and whatever's going
Speaker 4: on in the woods. And I just loved that environment.
Speaker 4: So I was always in the woods doing something. But
Speaker 4: I don't know, man, that's a good question. I feel
Speaker 4: like one one kind of niche thing that we did
Speaker 4: growing up is a different kind of hunting. But it's
Speaker 4: called gen sing hunting.
Speaker 2: I have ever. Yeah, I heard about it.
Speaker 4: Yeah, that that was something that me and my dad
Speaker 4: did a lot because we were uh, he was always working,
Speaker 4: right and so when I started working for him, Uh,
Speaker 4: we would always be up in these.
Speaker 2: Really like wooded areas. What did he do. Sorry, I
Speaker 2: don't sorry.
Speaker 4: He was a property manager, had his own own property
Speaker 4: management business for a long time, and we, you know,
Speaker 4: would be out on a job somewhere and we would
Speaker 4: just walk out and in the woods and look for
Speaker 4: Jen saying, you know, back in the day, you could
Speaker 4: take in make a thousand bucks a year probably if
Speaker 4: you just you know, if you kept the roots. Sometimes
Speaker 4: they wanted them dry, sometimes they liked them right. Well,
Speaker 4: there's there's a season for it. It's basically an herb
Speaker 4: that that gets used in like a lot of energy drinks.
Speaker 4: Jen Sing's in there. It's really good for your energy.
Speaker 4: And they're saying there's a lot of other health benefits
Speaker 4: of it now. But yeah, you could take it down
Speaker 4: and that there were buyers, at least in my hometown.
Speaker 4: I don't know if they're legit, and I don't know
Speaker 4: who they're selling it to, but that paper, Yeah, but
Speaker 4: I made a little cash every year. I don't know. Man,
Speaker 4: That's that's one thing, like one type of hunting I
Speaker 4: guess that I would like.
Speaker 2: To pass down.
Speaker 4: That's cool because it's it's kind of you know, it's
Speaker 4: native to to western North Carolina and it's fun to
Speaker 4: do it here.
Speaker 2: I mean I don't know, I don't know how you
Speaker 2: do it or where you do it. But I mean
Speaker 2: we've I ran into people, uh like jen Zen hunting
Speaker 2: on some of our properties have just been like, hey man,
Speaker 2: we doing it, oh man, just looking for In that case,
Speaker 2: you're like, okay, well dig it because we're not doing
Speaker 2: anything with it. Yeah, is there like a.
Speaker 1: Certain like moriles. It's like, what is it like around
Speaker 1: like wedded areas? I mean there's so much old trees,
Speaker 1: the tree stuff. There is there a certain like I
Speaker 1: mean you see the top of it, right, are you
Speaker 1: looking for in a certain area?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 4: So it's an herb and it it likes really damp
Speaker 4: like wet areas. Uh So like if you're if you
Speaker 4: get back in a holler somewhere, like you know, it's
Speaker 4: where there's a lot of moss and it's just really shaded,
Speaker 4: you're probably gonna you're probably walking on it, you know
Speaker 4: what I mean. And the the other thing that looks
Speaker 4: just like poison ivy. It's got the same leaves, but
Speaker 4: the way you tell it apart is that it has
Speaker 4: uh these little berries that get they turn red when
Speaker 4: it's when it's seasoned. And the leaves will wilt into
Speaker 4: like a yellow color, so they kind of stick out
Speaker 4: when it when it's the right time of year. But
Speaker 4: you can spot them, you know, in the woods if
Speaker 4: you know what you're looking for.
Speaker 2: You dry the root, dig it out, drive the root.
Speaker 4: You know, it depends like some there were some years
Speaker 4: where yeah, they wanted it dry, so you you know,
Speaker 4: just leave it out and let it, let it air
Speaker 4: drive for however long it needs. And like I said,
Speaker 4: we would just dig a little bit, you know, every
Speaker 4: every day, and by the end of it we'd have
Speaker 4: a pound each, you know or whatever and go turn
Speaker 4: it down. But yeah, you sometimes they wanted it wet,
Speaker 4: sometimes they wanted it all dried out.
Speaker 2: It just depended on what they were doing that year.
Speaker 2: Sounds fun yeah, yeah, I mean it's a reason to
Speaker 2: get poison all over you. Yeah, that would be my fault.
Speaker 4: Like this is a song never Yeah, it's just funny
Speaker 4: because you know, you get you get shot digging somebody's
Speaker 4: gen sing up back home.
Speaker 2: That's only when you said that, I'm like, a yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: how do you get ground to gens? Hunt? You ask?
Speaker 2: Or do you just kind of just hunt your own ground?
Speaker 2: That's it, Uh you can.
Speaker 4: I mean some people don't care, right, like the kind
Speaker 4: of like that too, like I'm not gonna dig it,
Speaker 4: so you might as well. Yeah, but yeah, my palpal
Speaker 4: planted a bunch around and uh my my childhood home,
Speaker 4: and so we were always like trying to protect it.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 4: It's kind of a little little heightie spot up there.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Man, any any drama ever go down with somebody
Speaker 2: trying to dig some he may ever get shot or anything,
Speaker 2: not that I know about.
Speaker 4: Yeah. Now, I don't think anybody has, at least none
Speaker 4: of my relatives, So yeah, who knows. Man, There's there's
Speaker 4: always something going on back home. I love I honestly,
Speaker 4: I loved growing up in North Carolina. Man, it was
Speaker 4: a lot of fun. It was just very laid back.
Speaker 4: I've you know, I'm I grew up in the same
Speaker 4: house my mom grew up in, So it's it's very
Speaker 4: deeply rooted there and get a lot of family still there.
Speaker 2: So do you ever think about going back? Yeah, I
Speaker 2: do like moving back.
Speaker 4: Yeah, you know, I don't know if I could do
Speaker 4: it full time now with what I do, but yeah,
Speaker 4: it'd be nice to be nice to have a spot
Speaker 4: back there. That, you know, you could go. I would.
Speaker 4: I love fall time there, man, it's like the best
Speaker 4: time of year. So it be nice to if we
Speaker 4: had a weekend off to go back for yeah, a
Speaker 4: few days.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you're not at the point, right, you don't. You
Speaker 2: don't get that for a while, buddy. No, I'm dreaming,
Speaker 2: but dreaming on the mountaintop though. Man. Yeah, I mean
Speaker 2: here we are. How what'd you say, six seven years in? Yeah?
Speaker 2: Six years due. That's awesome, man, Yeah, that's awesome. So
Speaker 2: you started playing piano. I saw you had some piano
Speaker 2: lessons as a kid or something. How'd that go? Uh?
Speaker 4: Not as well as they I hope they would they.
Speaker 4: I actually I love playing piano now, just cord like
Speaker 4: I didn't learn anything, but I hated it at the time.
Speaker 4: It was like just a bear, and so I was like,
Speaker 4: I'm gonna try a fiddle, and then that was god awful, dude.
Speaker 4: The fiddle was like even worse. Yeah, it was rough.
Speaker 4: And then I finally found guitar and stuff with that, so.
Speaker 2: It's fun.
Speaker 4: Bluegrass was cool too, because you got to learn how
Speaker 4: to play multiple instruments. Most people do just from jamming
Speaker 4: and hanging out and so it's fun. I get to
Speaker 4: I like playing bass and mandolin and stuff too. It's
Speaker 4: fun to do that every once in a while on
Speaker 4: a demo or something.
Speaker 2: Who was your band, like as far as your first
Speaker 2: little bluegrass band? Who played in it?
Speaker 4: Uh?
Speaker 2: Family or buddies or what?
Speaker 4: Yeah? The first one I was in was you gotta
Speaker 4: tell the name of the band you got to Yeah,
Speaker 4: Mountain Faith Bluegrassto.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 4: If I would have give you three guesses, you would
Speaker 4: you would have put Mountain in there somewhere. Uh No,
Speaker 4: it was fun. Now we yah cousins band. And then
Speaker 4: my uncle was like our band leader. He drove us
Speaker 4: around nice. Yeah, it was fun.
Speaker 2: That's crazy.
Speaker 4: Church festivals anywhere anywhere. Yeah, anywhere anybody would take us.
Speaker 2: That's the weirdest place you have played, guy, Always think
Speaker 2: my band we played this, We played this thing. If
Speaker 2: I told this one? We played this thing for who's
Speaker 2: the guy from uh Sweet Oabama? Leonard Skinner. It was
Speaker 2: like one of his like yeah, it was one of his,
Speaker 2: like cousin or something. It was like a name you
Speaker 2: haven't ever heard, like Ricky van Zander or something. It
Speaker 2: wasn't like Ron. It was kind of an off thing
Speaker 2: and we played this gig and they were like the
Speaker 2: we opened the form of course, you know, and they
Speaker 2: were the headliner. Well, the guy had had had already
Speaker 2: like assured his payment, and then nobody got real cold.
Speaker 2: It was weird. It was like summer and he got
Speaker 2: super cold, and nobody came to the show obviously because
Speaker 2: nobody knew us, and they definitely didn't know Ricky, you
Speaker 2: know what I mean. Yeah, So the guy was like, uh, well,
Speaker 2: you're gonna pay me. I'm a van Zank, You're finna
Speaker 2: pay me. He brought us all in the end, He's like, guys,
Speaker 2: I don't have any money. Basically, he was just saying,
Speaker 2: like no show festival, I know. And he's like, I
Speaker 2: don't have any money. And we were like, okay, well
Speaker 2: how much beer you got left? You know, and they're
Speaker 2: like we got a couple of cases. We're figured, okay,
Speaker 2: we're cool, just send us with that. Well, Ricky wasn't
Speaker 2: having it, bro He was like what do you what
Speaker 2: have you got? He was like, I mean all I
Speaker 2: got to my name is this Harley And he was
Speaker 2: like where are the keys? Right here? And he's like
Speaker 2: drove back to Nashville. Baby took the dudes. I watched
Speaker 2: it took it Ricky or whatever the guy's name was. Yeah,
Speaker 2: it was pretty tough, pretty tough. He got his we
Speaker 2: never got it. Was cold blooded dude. But anyway, that
Speaker 2: was a terrible place to play. If you got any
Speaker 2: anything stick out in your head, is like the worst
Speaker 2: place you ever played or the best random place you
Speaker 2: ever played? Yeah, I don't.
Speaker 4: I don't places kind of sometimes like vinyards roll together sometimes.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I just didn't know.
Speaker 4: I just have like stories, like I remember places from
Speaker 4: stories like we well, one of the funny early ones
Speaker 4: was ya, you'll like this, and we we played this.
Speaker 4: We were playing at church I can't remember where. We
Speaker 4: were somewhere somewhere in North Carolina and we were playing
Speaker 4: this church man. And I'm not making this up, man,
Speaker 4: I swear I'm not. We're in the middle of it.
Speaker 4: We're in the middle of our set and we're playing, right,
Speaker 4: and they the pastor came up like kind of I
Speaker 4: don't know if it was planned before. I didn't know
Speaker 4: it was planned, right, and he comes up. He was like,
Speaker 4: all right, we're going to take a brief intermission here,
Speaker 4: you know, and we'll be back in ten fifteen minutes
Speaker 4: and we'll finish up the concerts. So we're like, okay, cool.
Speaker 4: So we're like, you know, taking a break and hanging
Speaker 4: out and talking to people, and all of a sudden, well,
Speaker 4: I think, honestly, I think it was for them to
Speaker 4: take a smoke break, because literally everybody went out on
Speaker 4: the on.
Speaker 2: The front porch up, yeah, and like, yeah, we take
Speaker 2: a break.
Speaker 4: Well, all of a sudden, this dude starts with like
Speaker 4: running down the aisle, right, and he's a bigger dude.
Speaker 4: And I was probably dude, I don't even know, I
Speaker 4: was maybe thirteen or fourteen, maybe it might have been
Speaker 4: that ot and and they it was the pastor son
Speaker 4: and he was running down and dude, they were like
Speaker 4: pinning him down. They were cutting his rat tail off.
Speaker 4: He had a rat tail about yay long, like actual
Speaker 4: just just old school rat tail.
Speaker 2: Not braided.
Speaker 4: They were talking about it was braid. It was it
Speaker 4: was braided, yeah, yeah, but that's all he had. It
Speaker 4: was it was buzzed and then a rat tail.
Speaker 2: Like buzzed full on. And they were we're getting you today.
Speaker 2: They're like, we're done with it.
Speaker 4: And that happened in our intermission I just I don't
Speaker 4: know why held him down. They held him down and
Speaker 4: cut it off? What did they cut it off with
Speaker 4: a pocket knife?
Speaker 2: Right? Story? Right? That is the best gig story I
Speaker 2: think I've heard. Dude, it's pretty nuts. Yeah, and you
Speaker 2: feel like you're dreaming it. But maybe I did. I
Speaker 2: don't know. But what was the guy saying? I mean,
Speaker 2: I want to visualize my head as much as I can.
Speaker 2: Don't cut my right tail? Was he screaming, don't cut
Speaker 2: my rat tel?
Speaker 4: Yeah?
Speaker 2: He was pissed, but for sure, yeah, I would be.
Speaker 2: It was one of those things. It's a long time ago,
Speaker 2: right right, Yeah, that only had a commitment that only
Speaker 2: happens at a at a mountain bluegrass show for sure.
Speaker 2: For sure.
Speaker 4: Yeah, you could tell that it'd been bruined for a
Speaker 4: while though. Oh yeah, like somebody didn't like the rat
Speaker 4: tail for a while, probably or maybe.
Speaker 2: I mean, honestly, I don't know anybody loves especially if
Speaker 2: it's if it's all shaped and that's the only thing
Speaker 2: rebelling going there's he'll billy rebelling going on right there?
Speaker 4: For sure?
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, so what happened after? I gotta know
Speaker 2: what happened? He stayed for the show. I don't remember.
Speaker 2: I have woke up at that point. I don't know.
Speaker 4: I don't remember. Let's play the gig man. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 4: I was there to put it. No, I just remember, like,
Speaker 4: and I swear my I need to call my dad
Speaker 4: and have him back me up on this. I think
Speaker 4: he was there. But yeah, I just remember like that scene,
Speaker 4: you know what I mean. That's that's all for you all.
Speaker 4: I remember thirteen years old. Yeah, there's people ripping STIGs
Speaker 4: on the front porch of the church and somebody's getting
Speaker 4: their rat toel cut off.
Speaker 2: All right, we're back from intermission. Rat Tael religion. What
Speaker 2: I want to know is if he stayed for the show,
Speaker 2: he was like, all right, I have my seat back.
Speaker 2: What they do do? They whip it around? The lots
Speaker 2: of I'm definitely what was spun it around? Yeah? What
Speaker 2: else would you do with it? I don't know. I
Speaker 2: wish you had. I wish you still had. I wish
Speaker 2: somehow you had acquired that rat tail and built it
Speaker 2: into your guitar strap to where it was like hanging
Speaker 2: off the neck. That's a not a terrible idea. Actually,
Speaker 2: next time, is that a turkey beard?
Speaker 1: You kid, He said, no, kid, I played the show
Speaker 1: and scalp, scalp, He'll billy scalp And oh man, where
Speaker 1: did the thing that was funny? Where did the songwriting
Speaker 1: start for you? Were you writing songs back then, like
Speaker 1: back when you were young, or did it come later
Speaker 1: in life?
Speaker 4: Honestly, I didn't know a lot about the songwriting world
Speaker 4: until I got, you know, into high school, maybe the
Speaker 4: little out of high school, honestly, because uh, you know,
Speaker 4: with traditional bluegrass, you're just playing the same song as
Speaker 4: everybody else, plays a different way. Yeah, you make your
Speaker 4: own version of it, and so it's fun in a
Speaker 4: lot of ways. But that that was kind of the
Speaker 4: turning point for me. It was when I I'd been
Speaker 4: playing bluegrass for a couple of years and and you know,
Speaker 4: it was in that that circuit heavily. I was just like, man,
Speaker 4: it's a lot of fun. But I didn't see it,
Speaker 4: you know, really like being something I could do as
Speaker 4: a job.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 4: It was it was like a hobby for me. It
Speaker 4: was fun, but it was also like I knew if
Speaker 4: that's where I stayed, I was going to be doing that,
Speaker 4: that would be my thing.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 4: Yeah, And so I also knew that, you know, I
Speaker 4: just want I had. I felt like I had something
Speaker 4: to say as an artist too. I didn't really know
Speaker 4: what it was, but I was like, man, I just
Speaker 4: think it'd be cool to write my own stuff. And
Speaker 4: so I got into, you know, looking more into credits
Speaker 4: and like who who's on this? And you know who
Speaker 4: produced this? And you know, I started learning a little
Speaker 4: bit that way. But that's really was a turning point
Speaker 4: for me. I like just got burnt out a little
Speaker 4: bit on on the road and doing grass, and I
Speaker 4: was like, man, I'm gonna try writing. And I had
Speaker 4: a few buddies, actually my my uh my drummer now,
Speaker 4: uh he's a buddy of mine from back home, and
Speaker 4: uh we would we would write all the time, and
Speaker 4: before I moved here, we would.
Speaker 2: Uh. I started slowly.
Speaker 4: My dad had a little woodworking shop in his In
Speaker 4: his shop, it was like an add on that he
Speaker 4: put out there. You know, it was always turning, turning
Speaker 4: bowls and like doing woodwork and stuff. And uh, when
Speaker 4: he was still working heavily, heavily, I slowly started moving
Speaker 4: one piece out at the time of his equipment because
Speaker 4: he wasn't getting to use it.
Speaker 2: And I eventually made it a music room, and uh, surprised,
Speaker 2: but yeah, it was. It was nice to just had a.
Speaker 4: Little spot where we could, you know, meet up and
Speaker 4: and just and write and so it really I'm thankful
Speaker 4: for those because I felt like it got a lot
Speaker 4: of bad ideas out, you know, before I moved to town.
Speaker 4: So it wasn't like, you know, hey, I'm this and oh,
Speaker 4: let's write about my boots today, you know, like it's like, actually,
Speaker 4: you know, I feel like you when you when you
Speaker 4: grow up. At least for me, I grew up listening
Speaker 4: to country radio right like I never I listened to
Speaker 4: a lot of bluegrass, but not like I did country music.
Speaker 4: I was always listening to the country of rock something.
Speaker 2: And who was the guy who was? What year was
Speaker 2: this did you?
Speaker 3: Uh?
Speaker 4: For as far as like you know where I like
Speaker 4: what age I was? Yeah, I was probably maybe my
Speaker 4: early twenties at this point I've been working.
Speaker 2: Okay, what year is that? Uh it would have had to.
Speaker 4: Have been like twenty seventeen eighteen maybe.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 4: I'm not good at math either, especially today. No, I was,
Speaker 4: you know, it was in my early twenties, I know that.
Speaker 4: And we because I was working you know, had a
Speaker 4: good job, no bills, right, I was like in that
Speaker 4: in that spot where you like, I'm chilling, man, I
Speaker 4: can go by again if I want to. But yeah, yeah,
Speaker 4: I just uh, you know, I knew, I forgot what
Speaker 4: I was talking about. We were talking about why or
Speaker 4: who is your earlier yeah influences? Yeah, sorry. I I
Speaker 4: really loved country music and listen to rock, and my
Speaker 4: dad was like big on seventies music, so he always
Speaker 4: had some wild band playing that he was you.
Speaker 2: Know, yeah, yeah, so it was fun. Yeah that's cool.
Speaker 4: He uh, I don't know, man, It was just I
Speaker 4: had all these different kind of genres that I liked,
Speaker 4: and when we started writing it, it really helped me
Speaker 4: kind of flush some of those ideas out and be.
Speaker 2: Like, Okay, this is cool, but is there like a
Speaker 2: hook here?
Speaker 4: Like I didn't know what a hook was, honestly, Like,
Speaker 4: how would you you just you know, naturally you're like, okay,
Speaker 4: this is the title, so let's try to get back
Speaker 4: to that. You don't know. I didn't know like what
Speaker 4: set ups and all that, you know what I mean,
Speaker 4: like in depths on it, and so I was just
Speaker 4: trying to get it close and It's funny looking back
Speaker 4: on some of those ideas. You're like, I went through
Speaker 4: a couple of on this one of these flights, just
Speaker 4: like digging through old stuff, and I was like, honestly,
Speaker 4: it's not a bad idea.
Speaker 2: You just missed. We were way off.
Speaker 4: But it's cool, uh, you know, seeing how far I've
Speaker 4: been able to, you know, come in the last five
Speaker 4: six years on the writing side, because I really that
Speaker 4: was my thing. I wanted to be a songwriter when
Speaker 4: I moved here, Like I knew that that would I
Speaker 4: knew that if the artist thing happened, it would happen,
Speaker 4: and it might take a minute. And I was fine
Speaker 4: with that, you know. Like I said, I was kind
Speaker 4: of burnt on the road anyway at that time, and
Speaker 4: so it was really really healthy, I think for me
Speaker 4: to just be a writer for three years, four years,
Speaker 4: you know, and just like write for other people and
Speaker 4: didn't necessarily like help me, hone in on what my
Speaker 4: sound is, per se, but it helped me figure out
Speaker 4: what it wasn't, you know, writing for other people. It
Speaker 4: was just like, which is just as important? Yeah, trufu. Yeah,
Speaker 4: And it's and I enjoyed writing. I love chasing somebody's
Speaker 4: thing with them, right. I love doing that, but yeah,
Speaker 4: it is you just I just I was just mindful
Speaker 4: of it, like you just know, like I'm yeah, I
Speaker 4: would cut this song, but I would do it this
Speaker 4: way or whatever. You know, it's like you kind of
Speaker 4: figure those things out. So it's really good for me. Man,
Speaker 4: I'm thankful for those years of just like really grinding
Speaker 4: writing five six days a week. You know, I'm doing demos.
Speaker 4: I still I was doing a demo last night. Man,
Speaker 4: Just I love I love it. I love music, man,
Speaker 4: I really do. It's it's it's still fun for me
Speaker 4: even even though it's a grind right now and you know,
Speaker 4: I'm seeing that side of it it stuff. Still love
Speaker 4: doing it.
Speaker 1: So yeah, tell you probably tell this a mean times,
Speaker 1: but I want our listeners to hear about your your
Speaker 1: moving to national experience and getting hooked up with totally
Speaker 1: and Kurt and Jason and those cats.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't know this, go into this a little
Speaker 2: bit if you don't care.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's it's kind of it's kind of wild.
Speaker 1: We sorry for Did you have the support of like
Speaker 1: was the family band like yeah, go to Nashville, or
Speaker 1: were they like don't go to Nashville and sell your
Speaker 1: soul to the country music devil.
Speaker 4: You know, yeah, I think I wouldn't say they were.
Speaker 4: You know, it's just it's funny, like you're there are
Speaker 4: some people in those hometown people that are like, oh
Speaker 4: yeah you get you go on, honey, Yeah, well you
Speaker 4: chase your dreams and home will be here when you
Speaker 4: come back.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 1: The devil's playing paying pretty good. I'm preachers kids like
Speaker 1: Baptist Southern Baptist fire from the you know what.
Speaker 3: It was.
Speaker 2: It was the same thing we had.
Speaker 1: We had one or two guys that were like, hey, man,
Speaker 1: go go be light in the in the in the
Speaker 1: Nashville man like, go go do you know that thing?
Speaker 1: And then someone were like, I can't believe you ain't
Speaker 1: doing Christian music, you know, saying that ain't God's calling
Speaker 1: for your life.
Speaker 2: I know, if anybody knows God's calling on your life,
Speaker 2: it's funny.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean there is probably a little bit of that.
Speaker 4: But you know what, man, I just I try to
Speaker 4: I try to just keep the uh the morals that
Speaker 4: that that place instilled in me. You know, there's obviously
Speaker 4: things when you get older you realize like maybe I
Speaker 4: don't agree one hundred percent with that, but I see
Speaker 4: what they were going.
Speaker 2: For to, you know, get that. So yeah, yeah we
Speaker 2: love politics on this sure, sure thing. Yeah whatever you say. Yeah, sorry, no,
Speaker 2: but she's like, yeah, she just had a little heart
Speaker 2: malfunction there. We'll over that word. Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 4: Oh man, it's I don't know, man, I just I
Speaker 4: it's it's so much fun for me to get to
Speaker 4: do this now and like actually make money doing it. Oh,
Speaker 4: I know, like this is the first year we are,
Speaker 4: but but it's you know, it's just fun.
Speaker 3: Man.
Speaker 4: It's like it allows you to really focus on it.
Speaker 4: It's that was always the thing for me about the road.
Speaker 2: It's like.
Speaker 4: I would love to do that if I could solely
Speaker 4: focus on that and like solely focus on being a
Speaker 4: front man and like playing guitar and like doing that,
Speaker 4: because that would I'd be able to do my best
Speaker 4: at it, right, So that was kind of always my thing.
Speaker 4: I was like, it'll happen when it happens, but it
Speaker 4: definitely happened a lot faster. Okay, I was telling the story. Yeah,
Speaker 4: so yeah, we I didn't start making trips like really
Speaker 4: to write until about twenty nineteen is when I started
Speaker 4: making trips down here from back home, and I would
Speaker 4: I would come down here and crash on my buddy
Speaker 4: Rob's couch and write for a couple of weeks, and then,
Speaker 4: you know, when i'd run out of money, I'd go
Speaker 4: home and work and you know, make enough money to
Speaker 4: come back and do it, you know, for another week
Speaker 4: or so. And I did that for almost a year,
Speaker 4: and then finally in twenty twenty officially moved to town.
Speaker 2: And yeah, it was.
Speaker 4: It was funny because while while I was like making
Speaker 4: trips I think it was in twenty nine town, I
Speaker 4: was making trips down, my buddy Rob was like, man,
Speaker 4: let's let's go out to eat. Like I had never
Speaker 4: seen Nashville. I'd never been downtown, like nothing, right, Like,
Speaker 4: uh just kind of showed up. I was like, So
Speaker 4: he's like, yeah, let's let me let me show you
Speaker 4: around town. So we go out to eat or something
Speaker 4: and we get it uber. Right, We're like uber and
Speaker 4: downtown and this guy picks us up, super nice guy.
Speaker 4: You know, we're chatting and he's you know, telling us
Speaker 4: about how he's been in town. I've been a writer
Speaker 4: for a while and you know, who'd worked with and stuff,
Speaker 4: and so it was like cool, man, can I take
Speaker 4: it with a grain of salt? And just like yes,
Speaker 4: it's cool. And so he dropped us off and we
Speaker 4: parted ways. Didn't get his info, nothing right, like just
Speaker 4: thanks for the ride. Uh Well, about a year later,
Speaker 4: I had moved to town. I had a part time
Speaker 4: job over at Aubrey Mills, working at a Lucky brand
Speaker 4: if you can imagine that. And I was was working
Speaker 4: one day, usually was stocking shells, but they had me
Speaker 4: out on the floor they're shorthanded, and uh so I
Speaker 4: was like walking around and I saw this guy come
Speaker 4: in and I was like, I recognize that guy from somewhere.
Speaker 4: So I approached him and it turns out it was
Speaker 4: it was my Uber driver from a year earlier.
Speaker 2: And you remembered your Uber driver from a year.
Speaker 4: Earlier, Yeah, well I can't remember.
Speaker 2: I don't even feel like you see your Uber driver's
Speaker 2: face very much. How he's just.
Speaker 4: A memorable guy. He was one of those guys like it.
Speaker 4: So I don't know, and he's I'll get to the
Speaker 4: good part, but yeah, he's just one of those guys.
Speaker 4: He's a very nice guy, like easy to talk to,
Speaker 4: friendly guy.
Speaker 1: I think you were supposed to And yeah, in God's plan,
Speaker 1: it sounds like this guy is supposed to be remembered
Speaker 1: in your store.
Speaker 4: That's that's a great point. That's probably exactly what it was.
Speaker 4: But yeah, we we just kind of we hit it
Speaker 4: off again and he was like, he's like, what are
Speaker 4: you doing? Yeah, He's like, what are you doing? And
Speaker 4: I'm like, well, you know, I get a mixing demos
Speaker 4: in my bedroom and doing this and you know, trying
Speaker 4: to grind it out and get better rooms. And he
Speaker 4: was like like, man, I'd love to write.
Speaker 2: And so.
Speaker 4: We set up a it was a zoom right, it
Speaker 4: was our No, I take it back. Our first one
Speaker 4: was in person and uh we actually read over at
Speaker 4: river House and uh, I was I was in uh
Speaker 4: having conversations with zeb over there, you know, looking to
Speaker 4: sign just the standard pub deal, and we were kind
Speaker 4: of I was doing demos for for his guys and
Speaker 4: and he was plugging me in on riots and stuff.
Speaker 4: So it was kind of one of those things. And
Speaker 4: that's that's about when this happened. And so yeah, anyway, John,
Speaker 4: his name is John, Me and John started writing songs.
Speaker 4: John Edwards, Yeah, do you know John? Yeah, Yeah, I
Speaker 4: gotta write.
Speaker 2: I'm writing with him maybe this week, maybe next week. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: he's great, Yeah it is. But yeah, he started chatting.
Speaker 4: We started writing a few songs, and then he was like,
Speaker 4: hey man, i'd love to I'd love to pull some
Speaker 4: guys in on on this idea. We had something started.
Speaker 4: I was like, yeah, sure, and it ended up being
Speaker 4: Kurt and Tully and uh, you know, he'd been writing
Speaker 4: with them.
Speaker 2: For grinding twenty years until any success at all came in. Yeah.
Speaker 4: Yeah, he's Uh, he's one of those cases man, where
Speaker 4: you're just like, I don't get it.
Speaker 2: I don't know.
Speaker 4: It's like, yeah, I don't know. Memorable due now he's
Speaker 4: a very memorable guy, just genuine you know, like he's
Speaker 4: just a good dude. And but yeah, they they we started.
Speaker 4: I think they helped us finish the song, and then
Speaker 4: we actually wrote in person after that a couple of times.
Speaker 4: And then I was mowing my grass one day and uh,
Speaker 4: Tully text me and was like, hey man, can you
Speaker 4: I think I had to work that evening and so
Speaker 4: I was just kind of clean up around the house.
Speaker 4: He's like, can you can you like sit down and
Speaker 4: do an acoustic video of the song, this song we wrote.
Speaker 4: It was like the day before we finished it.
Speaker 2: I was like sure, So I sat down, had like
Speaker 2: grass all over. I didn't you know, I didn't know
Speaker 2: what I was doing.
Speaker 4: I was just doing a video. I didn't know what
Speaker 4: he wanted it for. Sat down, played it, played through
Speaker 4: it or whatever, sent it to him. Well, maybe an
Speaker 4: hour later, I get a phone call and random random number,
Speaker 4: random number, six one five. So I'm like, and I
Speaker 4: usually don't answer fun no, I'm like, nah, but it
Speaker 4: was six month five, So I answered it.
Speaker 2: Well, now you turned down six one five numbers, then yeah,
Speaker 2: somebody hits you with six five or someone who does
Speaker 2: anybody but anything? Yeah, this turned out You're right, very true,
Speaker 2: very true. I was.
Speaker 4: I was answering any six one five numbers, but no,
Speaker 4: he he I get I get a phone call, answer
Speaker 4: it and he's like, hey man, it's jasonal Dean gets
Speaker 4: your phone number from Tully and he's like, they've been
Speaker 4: sending me some stuff you're writing and just really dig
Speaker 4: you know your vibe and what you're doing. And he's like,
Speaker 4: we we started a publishing company in a in a
Speaker 4: record label like two years earlier. And he's like we've
Speaker 4: just kind of been sitting on it waiting for somebody
Speaker 4: to sign that we really believe in and and we
Speaker 4: dig and he's like, i'd love to, you know, love
Speaker 4: to chat about that with you. And I'm like I'm
Speaker 4: literally sprinting inside to find my roommates and I'm like, dude,
Speaker 4: this is a prank call man Like yeah, so, but
Speaker 4: I'll say this, man, I always always try to say
Speaker 4: this because you know, there's there's always somebody that really
Speaker 4: like steps out and takes a leap of faith on
Speaker 4: you and it's like, dude, oh yeah, this is my guy.
Speaker 4: That was al deem Man, Like there's there's been a few.
Speaker 4: I'm not saying he's the only one, but he's the
Speaker 4: guy that, like, you know, he wasn't just like, oh yeah, well,
Speaker 4: we'll sign you to you know, publishing. He's like, dude,
Speaker 4: you're a writer. I wanted you as a writer, an
Speaker 4: I'm gonna sign you as an artist. And that was
Speaker 4: the coolest thing to me because I was like, at
Speaker 4: the time, I was literally just singing demos, like and
Speaker 4: people would ask me to sing demos, but I wasn't
Speaker 4: like I wasn't the singer in the room, right, and
Speaker 4: I didn't care to be honestly, I enjoyed being the
Speaker 4: producer in the room and still do. But I don't know.
Speaker 2: It was just a it was kind of a.
Speaker 4: A moment that clicked for me where it's like, I mean,
Speaker 4: if he believes I can do it, surely I can
Speaker 4: do it, you know.
Speaker 2: So it was a cool, very cool him. I always,
Speaker 2: you know, be.
Speaker 4: Appreciative of that for him, just a confidence boost at
Speaker 4: that at a time where I probably needed it, you know,
Speaker 4: to power through like where I was, you know, in
Speaker 4: the grind phase of like having no holds and no
Speaker 4: you know, really nothing to like show for everybody back home.
Speaker 4: Are you still down doing the music? But thank you
Speaker 4: for asking. I'm still depressed having attacked all the yeah.
Speaker 2: You can play my sons, yeah covers? You know, Luke Bryan,
Speaker 2: I got my kids. My uncle wrote something would be
Speaker 2: good for Sorry, dude, I got that this weekend. I
Speaker 2: still get that. It never that never goes away. No,
Speaker 2: I never can go away.
Speaker 3: Man.
Speaker 2: It's like and I used to really used to really
Speaker 2: annoy me, but now it's kind of it's it's almost
Speaker 2: fun just to see what people think might work.
Speaker 4: Yeah, dude, I love it honestly, Like somebody gave me
Speaker 4: a mixtape. It's a CD of I assume all songs
Speaker 4: that they had so little written, and dude, what I
Speaker 4: took away from I would never think of that. That's
Speaker 4: what I took away from. Like you could put me
Speaker 4: in a black room with four walls and give me whatever,
Speaker 4: and I would never.
Speaker 2: Say that title, you know what I mean. And it's
Speaker 2: not even it's like it's kind of cool.
Speaker 3: Yea.
Speaker 2: It's like what I was saying earlier, like the idea
Speaker 2: is not bad. It's just you just missed. You have
Speaker 2: no idea how to right.
Speaker 4: But it's crazy to me how sometimes you're like, dang,
Speaker 4: that's it's actually.
Speaker 2: Not bad, bro, what a natural story like that is? Yeah?
Speaker 2: It is, man, And that that goes Like people ask
Speaker 2: me all the time, they're like, what do I need
Speaker 2: to do? Man?
Speaker 1: Like, like I love writing songs, but you know I
Speaker 1: can't I can't get down there enough and what do
Speaker 1: I need to do? And the first thing I tell him,
Speaker 1: I'm like, bro, you got to move here. And maybe
Speaker 1: maybe not because because of social media now and TikTok
Speaker 1: and all that, but like you got to be it's
Speaker 1: almost like you have to be present to win, especially
Speaker 1: if you're trying to start off doing it well. It
Speaker 1: depends on what get a foothold in the town, you know,
Speaker 1: it depends on what avenue of the business you want
Speaker 1: to work in. I feel like as a songwriter, you
Speaker 1: have to be here as an artist. Yeah, you can
Speaker 1: kind of and maybe not as a song or maybe
Speaker 1: people search for that. I don't really know, but I
Speaker 1: feel like you gotta be uh around to take the
Speaker 1: call right to jump in the room the one time
Speaker 1: the guy doesn't make it and your buddy's in there
Speaker 1: and he just so happens to say, I got this
Speaker 1: guy that just moving up here from Florida, you should
Speaker 1: check him out. Like it's almost been in a position
Speaker 1: waiting for an opportunity and when the when the opportunity comes,
Speaker 1: you capitalize on it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but that could take six months or that could
Speaker 2: ta sixteen years. Yeah, I was, Oh, it's so wild.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean you're exactly right. And and you know
Speaker 4: again like in the moment you're like, god, dude, when
Speaker 4: is this When is something gonna happen? When it's something that.
Speaker 2: Is something every going to happen. I mean, we also
Speaker 2: know those guys that have been here for thirty years
Speaker 2: and have had plenty of album cuts, not sorry, not plenty,
Speaker 2: but enough to just kind of keep them in the
Speaker 2: in the town. Bro John Edwards, I mean what, right,
Speaker 2: like twenty years of that's that was the I forgot
Speaker 2: to say the payoff.
Speaker 4: The coolest thing to me is that, you know, after
Speaker 4: we had these conversations with without Danny, who was like,
Speaker 4: I love to chat about it whatever, well they signed
Speaker 4: John and I both cool man, Yeah, somebody nobody more
Speaker 4: deserving than that. And dude, what what is crazy about?
Speaker 4: I've heard a lot of his catalog and I'm like,
Speaker 4: how have the world did this not land somewhere?
Speaker 2: Sure, you know, he's just like it's wild to me.
Speaker 3: But you know that.
Speaker 4: Guy persevered through twenty years of like you know, whatever
Speaker 4: he went through, and you know he's still one.
Speaker 2: Of the nicest guys in the world. You know, he's
Speaker 2: a great guy and always have good ideas.
Speaker 4: Man, always he's never out of I'm like, dude, how
Speaker 4: do you keep that turning? Man Like he's always got
Speaker 4: an idea? Yeah, I love writing one, John Man, He's
Speaker 4: we still write quite a bit.
Speaker 2: It's a great story. So cool man.
Speaker 1: Now here you are, dude, dropping your debut album. It's
Speaker 1: out everywhere now Carolina Blue Songs, number one songs, number
Speaker 1: one on the radio. Got a couple under your belt
Speaker 1: as a songwriter.
Speaker 2: Three three? What how it's more than a couple?
Speaker 4: What is that?
Speaker 2: Few? Bad? They all right? Think?
Speaker 4: What?
Speaker 2: Uh? Bro? Put that into words? Man, like, like can
Speaker 2: you can you can you explain that?
Speaker 3: Like?
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's hard to man. Uh.
Speaker 4: You know it's from all the stuff I've been talking about.
Speaker 2: I just feel like I, you know, before I moved.
Speaker 4: To Nashville, I thought, for sure, I'm gonna settle down
Speaker 4: right here on this mountain. I'm gonna, you know, own
Speaker 4: this ten acres of land. I want to redo this
Speaker 4: old house and I want to be here. And fine, yeah,
Speaker 4: and I might have been just as happy as I
Speaker 4: am today.
Speaker 2: Sure, But.
Speaker 4: You know, I just remember when I was working on
Speaker 4: that old house one day and it just had I'd
Speaker 4: been out of music for about a year, hadn't touched
Speaker 4: the guitar. And that was like the I knew it.
Speaker 4: I knew something was up when I wasn't because I
Speaker 4: always played guitar. You know, That's what got me into it. Anyway.
Speaker 2: But I wasn't even playing guitar.
Speaker 4: I was kind of out of it, was burnt, like
Speaker 4: had some things kind of fall through where I was like,
Speaker 4: all right, yeah, that's that's a old news for me.
Speaker 4: You know, I gotta move on. And I just remember,
Speaker 4: like sitting on this old house is just like nailing
Speaker 4: something into the roof or something. It just hit me, man,
Speaker 4: it was just like what do you like? What are
Speaker 4: you doing? Bro? Like you I knew I wasn't happy.
Speaker 4: I just didn't want to admit it, you know. I
Speaker 4: was just like I was fighting that for a minute
Speaker 4: where I was just like something's up, man, Like I
Speaker 4: just there's something messing in my life. And I wasn't
Speaker 4: really thinking about music until that moment. It just hit
Speaker 4: me and I was like, man, it's just it's just
Speaker 4: em me.
Speaker 2: I don't know.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I feel like it's all. It's all always. If
Speaker 4: somebody asked me, hey, what do you get at music?
Speaker 4: I mean that that was what I was best at, right,
Speaker 4: And so I think just having it out of my
Speaker 4: life it was good because it made me realize how
Speaker 4: important it was and how much I loved it. But yeah,
Speaker 4: getting it getting it back into you know, into that
Speaker 4: feeling and in that moment and then now being able
Speaker 4: to you know, see fruit come from you know, digging
Speaker 4: in and selling that property and like dissipating that dream
Speaker 4: and letting that beautiful piece of property go. Like just
Speaker 4: to do this, like it tells me, you know, not
Speaker 4: only one that I made the right decision, you know,
Speaker 4: but it's also it's like you says God, you know,
Speaker 4: showing me like Okay, here's the next route for you
Speaker 4: or whatever.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 4: So it's it's very cool and rewarding in that way.
Speaker 4: It's such a grind out here.
Speaker 2: Man.
Speaker 4: I wish you know, people I don't really care, but
Speaker 4: I doubt I don't think a lot of people understand,
Speaker 4: you know, radio tour and like and uh, you know.
Speaker 2: That there's no way to now that's what I mean.
Speaker 2: There is no way to understand how hard that stuff is. Yeah,
Speaker 2: it's just it's the job, right and just do it
Speaker 2: if you want to do it. That's what everybody's done it.
Speaker 2: Everybody has to do it. It doesn't stop, it doesn't
Speaker 2: get less. You just accept it, you know what I mean,
Speaker 2: And you can get a little more picky and choosy.
Speaker 2: I feel like goes, but it's always a grind, man,
Speaker 2: So I just I try to be thankful for it
Speaker 2: because you know, who knows, maybe that will's fall off tomorrow.
Speaker 4: I still go write songs and be happy. But that
Speaker 4: that's the rewarding thing for me, man, to answer your questions,
Speaker 4: just like, you know, knowing how how low that feeling
Speaker 4: was before I made the decision to move here and
Speaker 4: then getting to see this happen, and like have friends
Speaker 4: here in Nashville that like are lifers, man, Like I
Speaker 4: have great a great friend group, like people I met
Speaker 4: early on when I moved to town that I'm still
Speaker 4: really close with, not just writing buddies with, but like
Speaker 4: friends with, you know, and you know, getting to engulf
Speaker 4: myself into Nashville and like be a city city boy
Speaker 4: for a minute, Like, uh, it was.
Speaker 2: It was great.
Speaker 4: It was a great growing point in my life, I
Speaker 4: think in a lot of ways. But I love it, man.
Speaker 4: I love getting to do this and I'm very thankful
Speaker 4: for this job.
Speaker 2: Man. That's well said. Yeah, man, it's been fun having
Speaker 2: you home. I can't believe it's been an hour. I know.
Speaker 1: A way out Wood is it is my jam. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I love kid myself we were talking about that. But
Speaker 1: the record's great, dude, thank you. The record's great.
Speaker 2: And and I think you said an interview like you're
Speaker 2: trying to get parts of you out there too, and
Speaker 2: I can I can see that now sitting here talking
Speaker 2: to you for a little bit over an hour, I
Speaker 2: can see where those tracks kind of intertwined throughout your
Speaker 2: life and the five of some Man. It's cool.
Speaker 4: Yeah, thank you stuff. I appreciate it. I'm you know,
Speaker 4: it's always nice getting new music out. It's just like,
Speaker 4: I don't know, it's especially like this project specifically. I
Speaker 4: feel like all of all the artists we're talking about
Speaker 4: have had an influence on me. They've all had a
Speaker 4: debut album, and it's probably one of them. It's probably
Speaker 4: my top three, you know what I mean, not not
Speaker 4: to say that it's like the best, but it's just
Speaker 4: my favorite because it's it's that first project, you know,
Speaker 4: like give me a few, uh, I mean, Church Is
Speaker 4: Carolina is one of my favorite like albums.
Speaker 1: Ever, possibly I think one of that for our generation,
Speaker 1: one of the most influential records there is in country.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I wouldn't disagree with us. One of my favorites.
Speaker 4: I love obviously huge Keith Whitley fan, so his his
Speaker 4: was a big one for me. I think of the
Speaker 4: other one. I don't know, man, I love I'm a
Speaker 4: big skinnered fan too, so all that stuff is really
Speaker 4: really fun to me. I just I don't know. I
Speaker 4: guess my point was, like, you know, I was beating
Speaker 4: that to death trying to put this project together because
Speaker 4: I'm like, I can I can nitpick something to wear
Speaker 4: it out, you know, even writing like I'm I'm a
Speaker 4: slow rider most of the time, and I just like
Speaker 4: I want every line to matter, you know, like I
Speaker 4: want it to be right. So that's kind of how
Speaker 4: I was putting this project together. I had a lot
Speaker 4: of time to do that, and so I was just
Speaker 4: in the weeds on it, and you know, I had
Speaker 4: this whole thing I was trying to I was trying
Speaker 4: to go too far, like make it art toy far
Speaker 4: to right.
Speaker 2: I was just like I was so.
Speaker 4: Zoomed in right. And I called al Dean one day
Speaker 4: we were talking about something. He was like, He's like,
Speaker 4: how's the album going? And I was like, it's going good.
Speaker 4: I was like, I feel like I got, you know,
Speaker 4: pretty much what I feel like I need on there,
Speaker 4: and he was like, don't forget you need hits right now.
Speaker 2: And I was like, zoom out moment. Yeah, I was
Speaker 2: like thanks, man, I needed.
Speaker 4: That because I was just so far into it, and
Speaker 4: I was like, you know, putting all these things and
Speaker 4: and honestly, it's true, at the end of the day,
Speaker 4: put your best songs out there, you know what I mean? Yeah,
Speaker 4: And so I tried not to worry about, you know,
Speaker 4: sonically always everything because the cohesiveness to all my favorite
Speaker 4: records and artists is the vocal and a lot of
Speaker 4: times the mixing engineer. Can you know that that has
Speaker 4: a lot to do with it. There's all everybody's important.
Speaker 4: I'm not saying that. I'm just saying, like, you know,
Speaker 4: that's that can be cohesive enough to like tie a
Speaker 4: record together a lot of different sounds, you know. So,
Speaker 4: I don't know. It was just really fun to make. Man,
Speaker 4: this this you know, I co produced it with Brent Anderson.
Speaker 2: He's so good. Yeah, yeah, he's uh, he's one of
Speaker 2: my favorites. And guitar player too, man, they got oh yeah, dude,
Speaker 2: he's sandbags on. Jamison told me something real fun about
Speaker 2: Brent the other day. He was we were talking about
Speaker 2: just like artists and musicians and in town, and he
Speaker 2: was like, yeah, He's like it's like Brent says man
Speaker 2: and uh He's like. Jamison's like, man, how is how
Speaker 2: do you so good? Like? How do you get so
Speaker 2: good at guitar? And Brent was like, oh, it's probably
Speaker 2: fun for you to have friends when you were young.
Speaker 2: I just played the guitar all like having friends. It
Speaker 2: was like being cool. I don't know, I just play
Speaker 2: guitar a whole life. He's crazy, man, he's awesome. Great.
Speaker 2: He is in The Killer Songwriter too.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Man, all right, we gotta do it. We gotta do it.
Speaker 2: I know. I wish we could stay for another two hours.
Speaker 2: We all got yea who you are right about? Today? Man?
Speaker 2: I've got uh Frank Ray oh yeah yeah yeah with
Speaker 2: him last week. Yeah, Paul Sykes, you know, oh yeah,
Speaker 2: all today and uh Sony, yes there's another. I'll be
Speaker 2: over there to Oh wait, no I'm not. I'm at
Speaker 2: his house. I'll be at his house. Parker Welling, you writing,
Speaker 2: you're working today?
Speaker 4: I get another one of these today.
Speaker 2: Yeah. The competition, who is it? Is it?
Speaker 4: Outside the line?
Speaker 2: Take it? I'll take it. I would take it podcast
Speaker 2: take it out, bro, plenty of room, don't we don't
Speaker 2: listen to podcasts.
Speaker 1: Hey man, your music? You do a thing at the
Speaker 1: end of the favorite tune. We talked about it earlier.
Speaker 1: If you wouldn't mind giving he's still stuck on.
Speaker 2: Ronnie, you want to do something else? What do you
Speaker 2: want to? What do you want? Do you tell me? Well,
Speaker 2: you guess?
Speaker 4: Do you normally hop in?
Speaker 2: I mean we can hop in if we know the.
Speaker 4: Do you know stranger in my house?
Speaker 2: Ronnie, Stranger in my house? Yeah? Out here? You play
Speaker 2: it though, Okay, we'll see you do that. I don't
Speaker 2: know what you're a real life you're a real guitar player.
Speaker 2: Play whatever you want to, bro, or don't play anything
Speaker 2: at all?
Speaker 4: Oh you know this one? Oh, let's see.
Speaker 2: Where there's a clown?
Speaker 3: Do'ms rain tears and my don't mean pain on fighting
Speaker 3: your shu, I'm a.
Speaker 2: Smooth baby. Things on on with what they say? You
Speaker 2: can't believe everything every on my face. I'm a you
Speaker 2: you heard, I'm drinking more than I should and I'm
Speaker 2: been looking on that. But someone told Jo sticking aro.
Speaker 2: But why they make them old stories.
Speaker 3: And I'm a.
Speaker 2: John Morgan up Guy's Country. Everybody smell oh dad, sound
Speaker 2: like a bit on the road. That's good.
Speaker 1: That was a good Hey, maen, y'all go check out
Speaker 1: Carolina Blue. Uh grass man, thank you.
Speaker 3: You too.
Speaker 2: Got your little present for coming on the show man,
Speaker 2: oh Man to COVID likes to likes to make us
Speaker 2: look good and and hook hook our dudes up with
Speaker 2: some thank you, fresh pair of fresh pair of kicks
Speaker 2: for you. Wow, dude, pretty loyal to the red Wings.
Speaker 1: Get them red wings, you know. Yeah, they look like
Speaker 1: they've been they've seen some they've seen my balls.
Speaker 2: Yeah, pretty good.
Speaker 4: But you can't wear these too, c M as you know.
Speaker 1: Hey, we appreciate your thanks. Thanks for coming out looking
Speaker 1: all this up congress everything. Man, I'm a fan y
Speaker 1: Monday morning.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, pulling for you, bro, Thank you man, Thank
Speaker 2: you all for having me.
Speaker 4: It's been fun. I was definitely getting a room sometimes.
Speaker 1: Check out Carolina Blue out everywhere now. Thanks for hanging
Speaker 1: out in God's Country. You next time.