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What 20 00:01:00,560 --> 00:01:02,600 Speaker 2: do you have in the car, And maybe we'll talk 21 00:01:02,640 --> 00:01:04,000 Speaker 2: a little bit about what went on in the shop 22 00:01:04,040 --> 00:01:06,760 Speaker 2: this week. But it's it's it's a funny time in 23 00:01:06,800 --> 00:01:09,400 Speaker 2: the repair shop business right now. It's it's on the 24 00:01:09,480 --> 00:01:12,440 Speaker 2: quieter side. And I you know, we go through this 25 00:01:12,480 --> 00:01:15,560 Speaker 2: every year and it's interesting to see how it unfolds 26 00:01:15,560 --> 00:01:18,600 Speaker 2: and what exactly happens. I want to talk about P 27 00:01:18,720 --> 00:01:23,399 Speaker 2: zero two o three. P zero two oh three is 28 00:01:23,440 --> 00:01:25,320 Speaker 2: a fault card. Well, I'll tell you the whole story. 29 00:01:25,360 --> 00:01:28,760 Speaker 2: We had a twenty fifteen Jeep Wrangler V six to 30 00:01:28,800 --> 00:01:31,960 Speaker 2: three point six came into the shop this week and 31 00:01:32,000 --> 00:01:35,200 Speaker 2: it had a little bit of a misfire going on. 32 00:01:36,600 --> 00:01:41,080 Speaker 2: Reported P zero three to oh three cylinder misfire P 33 00:01:41,360 --> 00:01:48,440 Speaker 2: zero two oh three injector circuit fault. Now, if you notice, right, 34 00:01:48,440 --> 00:01:50,840 Speaker 2: we've always talked about misfires, you and I. We've always 35 00:01:50,840 --> 00:01:53,560 Speaker 2: said when an engine runs rough, when it doesn't seem 36 00:01:53,600 --> 00:01:56,280 Speaker 2: to be smooth at idle and the check engine light 37 00:01:56,320 --> 00:01:59,120 Speaker 2: comes on and the light starts to flash, that we 38 00:01:59,200 --> 00:02:02,520 Speaker 2: always our brain always kicks in. Okay, it's got a misfire. 39 00:02:02,520 --> 00:02:04,320 Speaker 2: It needs a spark plug. Right, I don't know, we're 40 00:02:04,400 --> 00:02:06,960 Speaker 2: just you know, they did a real great job of 41 00:02:07,040 --> 00:02:09,240 Speaker 2: beating that into our heads for the past sixty or 42 00:02:09,240 --> 00:02:13,000 Speaker 2: seventy years and then modern day vehicles came along, and 43 00:02:13,800 --> 00:02:16,160 Speaker 2: now it's different, and it's been that way for a while. 44 00:02:16,200 --> 00:02:21,440 Speaker 2: It's been different for a while. So we're gonna look 45 00:02:21,480 --> 00:02:23,560 Speaker 2: at P zero two OHO three. We're going to talk 46 00:02:23,560 --> 00:02:27,320 Speaker 2: about that. They talk about it as an injector driver's 47 00:02:27,320 --> 00:02:30,760 Speaker 2: circuit fault or an injector's circuit fault. They don't say driver, 48 00:02:30,880 --> 00:02:33,200 Speaker 2: they don't say injector, They say the circuit. That means 49 00:02:33,280 --> 00:02:37,360 Speaker 2: anything in the circuit. Right, If this were your house 50 00:02:37,400 --> 00:02:40,200 Speaker 2: and we're looking for a problem with the lamp, what's 51 00:02:40,200 --> 00:02:43,440 Speaker 2: in the lamp circuit? The bulb, the switch that turns 52 00:02:43,480 --> 00:02:47,840 Speaker 2: the lamp on and off, the physical wiring that goes 53 00:02:47,880 --> 00:02:51,160 Speaker 2: from the wall socket to the lamp that goes to 54 00:02:51,240 --> 00:02:54,160 Speaker 2: the bulb, and the wiring behind the wall that goes 55 00:02:54,200 --> 00:02:56,760 Speaker 2: downstairs into the basement of the fuse box and goes, 56 00:02:57,720 --> 00:02:59,840 Speaker 2: you know, to feed the circuit to come up off 57 00:02:59,880 --> 00:03:02,080 Speaker 2: the breaker or the fuse if it's an older home. 58 00:03:03,080 --> 00:03:06,440 Speaker 2: So it's a circuit fault. It's not saying it's any 59 00:03:06,440 --> 00:03:08,960 Speaker 2: one particular component, but it's also saying that you have 60 00:03:09,040 --> 00:03:13,720 Speaker 2: to test everything and look at everything. An injector's circuit 61 00:03:13,800 --> 00:03:16,880 Speaker 2: fault is a pretty easy code to diagnose. It really is. 62 00:03:17,800 --> 00:03:20,799 Speaker 2: All right, we're going to go through and of course 63 00:03:20,800 --> 00:03:22,600 Speaker 2: we're going to look at the injector. Now, getting to 64 00:03:22,600 --> 00:03:24,239 Speaker 2: the injector might be a little bit of a chore. 65 00:03:24,639 --> 00:03:27,320 Speaker 2: In the case of this wrangler, Number three sits on 66 00:03:27,360 --> 00:03:30,840 Speaker 2: the passenger side in between one and five, and it 67 00:03:30,880 --> 00:03:34,320 Speaker 2: was a simple process to get to the injector, connector 68 00:03:35,320 --> 00:03:40,760 Speaker 2: unplug it. And we read about fourteen omns of resistance 69 00:03:42,040 --> 00:03:44,600 Speaker 2: well the circuit and I know this just from having 70 00:03:44,640 --> 00:03:48,600 Speaker 2: done these before. Those injectors typically read between ten, ten 71 00:03:48,640 --> 00:03:50,880 Speaker 2: and sixteen homs of resistance. So I'm kind of in 72 00:03:50,880 --> 00:03:54,200 Speaker 2: the sweet spot. I'm okay, I've got a good number. 73 00:03:56,120 --> 00:03:57,480 Speaker 2: What do you do if you don't know the number? 74 00:03:57,840 --> 00:04:00,120 Speaker 2: I heard that question. I've heard that a couple of times. 75 00:04:00,360 --> 00:04:03,040 Speaker 2: We've been talking about circuit performance faults with all of 76 00:04:03,040 --> 00:04:05,640 Speaker 2: you out on Facebook and some of the questions coming 77 00:04:05,720 --> 00:04:08,960 Speaker 2: up off the YouTube channel and stuff. And you know, 78 00:04:09,000 --> 00:04:10,280 Speaker 2: what are you going to do when you're looking for 79 00:04:10,320 --> 00:04:12,480 Speaker 2: a number and you don't have any service information. Well, 80 00:04:12,520 --> 00:04:14,320 Speaker 2: you've got six injectors, Go look at one of the 81 00:04:14,320 --> 00:04:17,159 Speaker 2: other five, Go look at one that's running correctly. And 82 00:04:17,240 --> 00:04:20,800 Speaker 2: if cylinder one is fourteen homes and cylinder five is 83 00:04:20,839 --> 00:04:23,240 Speaker 2: fourteen homes, and then cylinder three at fourteen homes is 84 00:04:23,240 --> 00:04:27,599 Speaker 2: probably a safe bet. Now, the one thing that a 85 00:04:27,760 --> 00:04:32,080 Speaker 2: resistance check doesn't do is it won't show you how 86 00:04:32,080 --> 00:04:35,360 Speaker 2: well that's going to work underload, And it won't show 87 00:04:35,400 --> 00:04:38,360 Speaker 2: you how well that component, light bulb, injector or anything 88 00:04:38,400 --> 00:04:42,719 Speaker 2: in between is going to work as it's as it 89 00:04:43,080 --> 00:04:47,200 Speaker 2: as its temperature varies. So you know, our resistance check 90 00:04:47,240 --> 00:04:49,000 Speaker 2: is a good place to start. And it's surely something 91 00:04:49,000 --> 00:04:50,520 Speaker 2: great you can do at home if you're do it 92 00:04:50,520 --> 00:04:52,960 Speaker 2: yourself or but the best way to look at it injector, 93 00:04:53,080 --> 00:04:55,520 Speaker 2: just for the record, put it up on a labscope 94 00:04:55,520 --> 00:04:58,479 Speaker 2: and look at the trace, follow the heart rate, see 95 00:04:58,520 --> 00:05:00,479 Speaker 2: where it goes. Does it match the the other five? 96 00:05:00,560 --> 00:05:02,600 Speaker 2: Does it match the other two? Does it match one 97 00:05:02,640 --> 00:05:04,599 Speaker 2: of them? If you stack them up and look at 98 00:05:04,680 --> 00:05:11,000 Speaker 2: them top the bottom. This injector measured good. I pulled 99 00:05:11,000 --> 00:05:12,480 Speaker 2: that on a Chrysler. You have to pull out the 100 00:05:12,560 --> 00:05:15,080 Speaker 2: ASD relay, the automatic shutdown relay, and I checked the 101 00:05:15,120 --> 00:05:18,880 Speaker 2: circuit live. I'm sorry. I checked the circuit from termination 102 00:05:18,960 --> 00:05:21,960 Speaker 2: at the PCM out to the injector to make sure 103 00:05:21,960 --> 00:05:23,680 Speaker 2: that it read the same. And it did. It read 104 00:05:23,760 --> 00:05:26,760 Speaker 2: fourteen point three homes. It went up three tenths of 105 00:05:26,800 --> 00:05:32,760 Speaker 2: an home. Nothing nothing, terminal, no pun intended. So do 106 00:05:32,800 --> 00:05:37,360 Speaker 2: I have a bad computer? I could. It's possible, right, 107 00:05:37,720 --> 00:05:42,320 Speaker 2: the driver, the piece inside the computer, the electronic component 108 00:05:42,680 --> 00:05:45,520 Speaker 2: that actually switches that injector on and off. Sure that 109 00:05:45,560 --> 00:05:47,680 Speaker 2: could be battered and beaten. Ten years old, one hundred 110 00:05:47,680 --> 00:05:51,719 Speaker 2: and sixty thousand miles. Anything's possible. But how do I know? 111 00:05:52,720 --> 00:05:55,839 Speaker 2: Pretty simple? All right, you're ready, Why don't we just 112 00:05:55,880 --> 00:05:59,240 Speaker 2: swap the injectors? You know, when it's an emission misfire? 113 00:06:00,120 --> 00:06:02,279 Speaker 2: What do I tell you to do? Move the plug, 114 00:06:02,320 --> 00:06:04,720 Speaker 2: move the coil, keep track of where it goes. Does 115 00:06:04,760 --> 00:06:07,400 Speaker 2: it follow that particular fault? Does it follow and go 116 00:06:07,440 --> 00:06:12,160 Speaker 2: where it's where it's gonna go. Well, let's move the injector. 117 00:06:12,279 --> 00:06:15,600 Speaker 2: We move the injector to cylinder one. My problem now, 118 00:06:15,640 --> 00:06:19,400 Speaker 2: I set a P zero two oh one. Diagnosis confirmed. 119 00:06:19,880 --> 00:06:24,640 Speaker 2: I've got a bad injector that measured correctly as far 120 00:06:24,680 --> 00:06:27,479 Speaker 2: as resistance. But once the vehicle warmed up, once that 121 00:06:27,560 --> 00:06:30,960 Speaker 2: injector got warm and started to work, it started to 122 00:06:30,960 --> 00:06:35,360 Speaker 2: break down. P zero two oh three P zero two 123 00:06:35,400 --> 00:06:39,839 Speaker 2: oh circuit performance faults. They're becoming more common. We're seeing 124 00:06:39,880 --> 00:06:43,440 Speaker 2: more of them. It doesn't necessarily meet a bad injector. 125 00:06:43,760 --> 00:06:45,840 Speaker 2: Most of the time it does. I will give you that, 126 00:06:46,160 --> 00:06:47,920 Speaker 2: But you do have to look around for other things. 127 00:06:47,920 --> 00:06:50,479 Speaker 2: Because one of the items that we always look for 128 00:06:50,800 --> 00:06:54,239 Speaker 2: on an older vehicle with higher mileage, especially on the jeeps, 129 00:06:54,279 --> 00:06:56,719 Speaker 2: where the wiring harness runs up and around the intake plant, 130 00:06:56,880 --> 00:06:59,480 Speaker 2: is we're looking for critters, right, We're looking for damage 131 00:06:59,480 --> 00:07:02,880 Speaker 2: to the wiring harness. Did somebody nibble on something and 132 00:07:03,320 --> 00:07:05,760 Speaker 2: they do? Right, So we want to make sure all 133 00:07:05,800 --> 00:07:07,599 Speaker 2: these things are there. But don't be afraid of it. 134 00:07:07,640 --> 00:07:09,200 Speaker 2: And that's my point, and that's why I wanted to 135 00:07:09,240 --> 00:07:11,440 Speaker 2: talk to you about it today. You know, it's just 136 00:07:11,520 --> 00:07:14,960 Speaker 2: a component, it's just an electrical device. It's just it's 137 00:07:15,600 --> 00:07:17,640 Speaker 2: you would test it the way you test anything else. 138 00:07:17,680 --> 00:07:19,360 Speaker 2: How does it work? Put it on the bench and 139 00:07:19,400 --> 00:07:22,040 Speaker 2: test it. How are you going to test that particular component? 140 00:07:22,840 --> 00:07:26,440 Speaker 2: Put a set of injectors in it? All right? At 141 00:07:26,480 --> 00:07:30,080 Speaker 2: my suggestion, the customer agreed, higher mileage, older vehicle, I 142 00:07:30,160 --> 00:07:33,440 Speaker 2: prefer a set of injectors because if one's going bad 143 00:07:33,440 --> 00:07:35,960 Speaker 2: at ten years old, one hundred and sixty. When's the 144 00:07:36,000 --> 00:07:38,240 Speaker 2: next one? And what I have to take apart? And 145 00:07:38,400 --> 00:07:41,320 Speaker 2: you know, it's a little more cost effective and it's 146 00:07:41,360 --> 00:07:45,080 Speaker 2: best done in sets in my opinion. But bottom line p. 147 00:07:45,240 --> 00:07:49,200 Speaker 2: Zero two of three is not so intermountable. It's not 148 00:07:49,400 --> 00:07:56,160 Speaker 2: so insurmountable. Proper proper addiction really helps. I'm probably thinking 149 00:07:56,200 --> 00:07:59,240 Speaker 2: about I'm probably a little stuttering and a little floundering 150 00:07:59,240 --> 00:08:01,880 Speaker 2: because I'm thinking about poor Tom Ray last night, which 151 00:08:01,920 --> 00:08:04,120 Speaker 2: I want to get in after we pull over. Tom 152 00:08:04,280 --> 00:08:07,200 Speaker 2: called me last night. He was traveling north in New 153 00:08:07,280 --> 00:08:09,920 Speaker 2: Jersey on route to eighty seven, and he said, I 154 00:08:09,920 --> 00:08:12,000 Speaker 2: don't know, I may not make it home in time 155 00:08:12,040 --> 00:08:14,840 Speaker 2: for the show tomorrow because there's big black smoke billowing 156 00:08:14,880 --> 00:08:19,559 Speaker 2: off the highway. And I talked to him again this morning. 157 00:08:19,560 --> 00:08:22,240 Speaker 2: And when do you hear what was on fire in Mahwah, 158 00:08:22,320 --> 00:08:25,400 Speaker 2: New Jersey? When we come back right after this eight 159 00:08:25,440 --> 00:08:28,360 Speaker 2: five five five six zero nine nine zero zero, the 160 00:08:28,400 --> 00:08:33,480 Speaker 2: car doctor is going to return. Don't go anywhere, you 161 00:08:33,520 --> 00:08:35,719 Speaker 2: know what? Before we go to Tom, keep you in 162 00:08:35,800 --> 00:08:37,920 Speaker 2: suspense a little longer. Let's go to Chris in Florida. 163 00:08:38,040 --> 00:08:41,040 Speaker 2: I want to keep Chris waiting. It's long distance. So Chris, 164 00:08:41,160 --> 00:08:43,160 Speaker 2: how are you today, my friend? What's going on? 165 00:08:43,960 --> 00:08:45,240 Speaker 3: Pretty good? How are you all right? 166 00:08:45,600 --> 00:08:46,200 Speaker 2: How can I help? 167 00:08:46,920 --> 00:08:50,640 Speaker 3: Nineteen sixty seven Chevy two Nova Ben Decode and the 168 00:08:50,640 --> 00:08:54,840 Speaker 3: Protecto plate and the uh have the windowsticker. I was 169 00:08:54,880 --> 00:08:59,160 Speaker 3: just curious which one was the most relevant because from 170 00:08:59,240 --> 00:09:01,480 Speaker 3: the protective place, it looks as though I have a 171 00:09:01,480 --> 00:09:06,240 Speaker 3: famous six car, and but there's a difference on the 172 00:09:06,280 --> 00:09:08,839 Speaker 3: window sticker. When it comes to the engine, I. 173 00:09:08,800 --> 00:09:10,920 Speaker 2: Would go by. I would go by the cowl tag 174 00:09:12,080 --> 00:09:14,839 Speaker 2: Vin Vin and cowl tag overright windows sticker. And the 175 00:09:14,920 --> 00:09:17,520 Speaker 2: only reason I say that is because it's easier for 176 00:09:17,559 --> 00:09:20,600 Speaker 2: somebody to manufacture and print a window sticker than it 177 00:09:20,679 --> 00:09:22,640 Speaker 2: is a cow tag and e vent Although it can 178 00:09:22,679 --> 00:09:25,479 Speaker 2: be done, it's not It's not impossible. 179 00:09:26,320 --> 00:09:30,559 Speaker 3: That's what I thought. And it was one on a car. 180 00:09:31,320 --> 00:09:35,480 Speaker 3: The family had all the paperwork, so the Protecto plate 181 00:09:35,520 --> 00:09:36,760 Speaker 3: and everything is pristine. 182 00:09:36,920 --> 00:09:38,720 Speaker 2: So did they have a build sheet? 183 00:09:39,760 --> 00:09:42,559 Speaker 3: Well, I found a couple of build sheets, but they're 184 00:09:42,600 --> 00:09:46,000 Speaker 3: only the paint codes interior and exterior. 185 00:09:47,360 --> 00:09:50,960 Speaker 2: So I if the build if the build sheets in 186 00:09:51,000 --> 00:09:53,680 Speaker 2: the car, it's under the back seat, under the back 187 00:09:53,679 --> 00:09:55,680 Speaker 2: seat by the wheelhouse and it's not there. Right. 188 00:09:56,400 --> 00:09:58,679 Speaker 3: I found both of those. I found two of them, 189 00:09:58,679 --> 00:10:00,720 Speaker 3: one under the front seat, one behind in the back seat. 190 00:10:00,800 --> 00:10:04,959 Speaker 3: But they only cover the interior paint codes and the 191 00:10:05,320 --> 00:10:07,439 Speaker 3: cloth colors and all that interior exterior. 192 00:10:07,520 --> 00:10:11,040 Speaker 2: Right. Well you get now, now, now to that point, 193 00:10:11,440 --> 00:10:14,000 Speaker 2: you could take that build sheet that's telling you interior 194 00:10:14,040 --> 00:10:17,400 Speaker 2: colors and seats and so forth, and you could you 195 00:10:17,440 --> 00:10:21,520 Speaker 2: could decode the cowl tag and see if the information matches, 196 00:10:21,559 --> 00:10:24,679 Speaker 2: and it should it does. Okay then, but. 197 00:10:26,280 --> 00:10:28,400 Speaker 3: Okay, so I did all the cow tag also and 198 00:10:28,480 --> 00:10:31,360 Speaker 3: have that right, but it doesn't really show all the 199 00:10:31,480 --> 00:10:34,959 Speaker 3: dates match for being a famous six car. The Protecto plate. 200 00:10:36,600 --> 00:10:40,040 Speaker 3: The engine code on the Protecto plate is z I, 201 00:10:40,640 --> 00:10:46,240 Speaker 3: and I traced that back to being a ALL seventy nine. 202 00:10:46,760 --> 00:10:50,280 Speaker 3: So but then on like I said, the window sticker, 203 00:10:50,400 --> 00:10:54,080 Speaker 3: there's the serial numbers are the same on the on 204 00:10:54,480 --> 00:10:58,920 Speaker 3: both documents, on all the documents, it's just that the 205 00:10:58,960 --> 00:11:01,559 Speaker 3: engines or vary. But I was going to go buy 206 00:11:01,559 --> 00:11:03,720 Speaker 3: the Protecto plate because I thought that that had it 207 00:11:03,760 --> 00:11:04,440 Speaker 3: more relevant. 208 00:11:05,200 --> 00:11:07,240 Speaker 2: So, and I know what you're looking for, because if 209 00:11:07,240 --> 00:11:09,360 Speaker 2: it's an L seventy nine, it's obviously worth a lot 210 00:11:09,400 --> 00:11:13,200 Speaker 2: of money. Yeah, how many protective plates do you have? 211 00:11:14,559 --> 00:11:17,079 Speaker 3: Just one? It came with the original one that they 212 00:11:17,160 --> 00:11:19,880 Speaker 3: made from the factory, right, and is. 213 00:11:19,880 --> 00:11:23,080 Speaker 2: It it matches the owner's manual looks like older writing. 214 00:11:23,120 --> 00:11:24,920 Speaker 2: I mean something this old is going to be kind 215 00:11:24,960 --> 00:11:29,640 Speaker 2: of weathered. It's fifty right, it's made a metal. 216 00:11:30,880 --> 00:11:34,839 Speaker 3: They impress those and I have that plate plus the 217 00:11:35,840 --> 00:11:39,200 Speaker 3: copy version where they overlaid it and show you it 218 00:11:39,200 --> 00:11:42,560 Speaker 3: because it's in reverse when it's on the the you 219 00:11:42,600 --> 00:11:43,600 Speaker 3: know the use of metal type of. 220 00:11:43,600 --> 00:11:47,600 Speaker 2: Right on the on the imprinter. Sure, yes, so you know. 221 00:11:47,679 --> 00:11:49,840 Speaker 2: I think the answer to the question is there are 222 00:11:50,000 --> 00:11:52,640 Speaker 2: there are Obviously there are guys out there that are 223 00:11:52,760 --> 00:11:56,160 Speaker 2: you know, proclaimed experts and sources. You know what, you 224 00:11:56,400 --> 00:11:58,720 Speaker 2: know what you're looking for, and it won't matter what 225 00:11:58,800 --> 00:12:00,280 Speaker 2: you and I say. It's going to matter or what 226 00:12:00,320 --> 00:12:03,959 Speaker 2: they say and authenticate the car as right. So what 227 00:12:03,960 --> 00:12:05,240 Speaker 2: what engines in the car? Now? 228 00:12:06,040 --> 00:12:09,560 Speaker 3: Three twenty seven? This is where the twist is. It's 229 00:12:09,600 --> 00:12:13,200 Speaker 3: got to see epoch in it, and it's got l 230 00:12:13,240 --> 00:12:15,560 Speaker 3: seventy nine pistons in it. Because I put a camera 231 00:12:15,559 --> 00:12:18,000 Speaker 3: in there and looked at the uh the number on 232 00:12:18,040 --> 00:12:20,839 Speaker 3: top of the piston and it's three eight six six 233 00:12:21,000 --> 00:12:24,800 Speaker 3: nine five four, right, which is I don't have the 234 00:12:24,800 --> 00:12:29,000 Speaker 3: document on me, right right, yeah, right, that's the old 235 00:12:29,040 --> 00:12:37,280 Speaker 3: TRW pop up pistons. So it there's no way to 236 00:12:37,280 --> 00:12:39,839 Speaker 3: tell from what I read with a CE motor because 237 00:12:39,840 --> 00:12:45,360 Speaker 3: that's either a warny replacement or parts department engine. 238 00:12:45,400 --> 00:12:47,200 Speaker 2: And I would I would, I would bet it's a 239 00:12:47,559 --> 00:12:50,640 Speaker 2: you know, it's a warranty replacement because when those cars 240 00:12:50,640 --> 00:12:53,360 Speaker 2: first came out, nobody knew how to drive them, and 241 00:12:53,880 --> 00:12:57,240 Speaker 2: they were blowing engines. It wouldn't be the most impossible 242 00:12:57,320 --> 00:12:59,960 Speaker 2: thing to ruin an engine in one of those because 243 00:13:00,160 --> 00:13:04,360 Speaker 2: of the horsepower they put out. So I think it 244 00:13:04,400 --> 00:13:06,440 Speaker 2: really comes back to number one. Is it an L 245 00:13:06,480 --> 00:13:07,360 Speaker 2: seventy nine car? 246 00:13:07,920 --> 00:13:08,360 Speaker 4: All right? 247 00:13:08,720 --> 00:13:10,640 Speaker 2: If it's a real else, If it's a real L 248 00:13:10,720 --> 00:13:14,440 Speaker 2: seventy nine car and it's got a replacement engine in 249 00:13:14,480 --> 00:13:17,600 Speaker 2: it for whatever reason, warranty, parts department, you know, we 250 00:13:17,760 --> 00:13:20,839 Speaker 2: just wanted to change the engine, et cetera. Great, it's 251 00:13:20,880 --> 00:13:23,440 Speaker 2: still an original L seventy nine chassis. It's still worth 252 00:13:23,440 --> 00:13:25,439 Speaker 2: it's still worth some money. It's not worth what an 253 00:13:25,559 --> 00:13:29,000 Speaker 2: L seventy nine complete would be, obviously, but it's worth something. 254 00:13:29,600 --> 00:13:31,679 Speaker 2: The other the other side of the coin here, Chris, 255 00:13:31,800 --> 00:13:33,400 Speaker 2: unless you are you planning to sell it or do 256 00:13:33,480 --> 00:13:35,920 Speaker 2: you want to just drive it? No, I'm gonna keep it, 257 00:13:36,040 --> 00:13:39,040 Speaker 2: dri drive it, you know what, because there's there's too 258 00:13:39,120 --> 00:13:42,720 Speaker 2: many cars today that nobody really knows what they are 259 00:13:42,800 --> 00:13:44,800 Speaker 2: and nobody appreciates them for what they are, and they 260 00:13:44,880 --> 00:13:47,000 Speaker 2: just they put them in the garage. Oh, I'm saving it, 261 00:13:47,040 --> 00:13:50,800 Speaker 2: saving it for what, you know, because when you and 262 00:13:50,840 --> 00:13:53,520 Speaker 2: I are gone, nobody's gonna want these things. Nobody understands 263 00:13:53,520 --> 00:13:57,080 Speaker 2: the history behind them. And it's it's a shame, it 264 00:13:57,160 --> 00:13:59,960 Speaker 2: really is, you know, and it's it's just it's it's 265 00:14:00,040 --> 00:14:01,520 Speaker 2: good dinner table conversation too. 266 00:14:01,559 --> 00:14:01,679 Speaker 5: Well. 267 00:14:01,720 --> 00:14:03,280 Speaker 2: I think it's an L seventy nine, but it could 268 00:14:03,280 --> 00:14:05,560 Speaker 2: be this, and it could be that, you know, it's 269 00:14:05,679 --> 00:14:07,599 Speaker 2: I would be more stoked that it's an original L 270 00:14:07,679 --> 00:14:10,920 Speaker 2: seventy nine car. The engine's gone, you can't do anything 271 00:14:10,960 --> 00:14:12,560 Speaker 2: about it, but you actually do own a piece of 272 00:14:12,600 --> 00:14:13,360 Speaker 2: history there. 273 00:14:14,400 --> 00:14:16,280 Speaker 3: Right, Yeah, And we're going to enjoy it. We're just 274 00:14:16,280 --> 00:14:19,680 Speaker 3: trying to, you know, it's fun to decipher everything, right, 275 00:14:19,840 --> 00:14:20,600 Speaker 3: figure it all out. 276 00:14:20,680 --> 00:14:23,200 Speaker 2: I remember in high school my brother had We didn't 277 00:14:23,200 --> 00:14:25,320 Speaker 2: even realize what it was but he had a sixty 278 00:14:25,440 --> 00:14:29,800 Speaker 2: five Chevelle SS three ninety six car by the time 279 00:14:29,840 --> 00:14:32,400 Speaker 2: he got it in the early seventies. It had a 280 00:14:32,400 --> 00:14:35,000 Speaker 2: two eighty three in it because the original big block 281 00:14:35,080 --> 00:14:37,840 Speaker 2: was gone, but it also had the tack on the 282 00:14:37,920 --> 00:14:42,960 Speaker 2: console and it was a four speed car. And yeah, 283 00:14:43,040 --> 00:14:44,600 Speaker 2: you know what it was, right, it was a three 284 00:14:44,720 --> 00:14:46,680 Speaker 2: ninety six, three seventy five car. It was one of 285 00:14:46,720 --> 00:14:50,240 Speaker 2: the original you know, was that an L seventy eight? 286 00:14:50,840 --> 00:14:54,480 Speaker 2: That was an L seventy eight car? I thought, I 287 00:14:54,560 --> 00:14:57,320 Speaker 2: can't sure, I can't, Yeah, I can't. I can't remember 288 00:14:57,360 --> 00:15:00,120 Speaker 2: the number, but I know I know any soul that 289 00:15:00,280 --> 00:15:02,320 Speaker 2: years later, and we just sold it as a small 290 00:15:02,360 --> 00:15:05,120 Speaker 2: block chevel didn't, you know. It just didn't mean anything. 291 00:15:05,720 --> 00:15:08,400 Speaker 2: But that was a piece of automotive history. I think 292 00:15:08,520 --> 00:15:10,560 Speaker 2: those are the cars. The first year sixty five, they 293 00:15:10,680 --> 00:15:14,040 Speaker 2: produced less than two hundred of them or something, so 294 00:15:14,120 --> 00:15:16,160 Speaker 2: it was just a it was just a rear, just 295 00:15:16,240 --> 00:15:19,560 Speaker 2: a weird rear option car, so low numbers. 296 00:15:19,640 --> 00:15:22,680 Speaker 3: I have a seventy two also that I built. I drove. 297 00:15:22,840 --> 00:15:24,920 Speaker 3: That was the first car I drove cross country when 298 00:15:24,960 --> 00:15:27,280 Speaker 3: I came in the Air Force, right, I drove from 299 00:15:27,280 --> 00:15:28,960 Speaker 3: Pennsylvania to Florida. 300 00:15:29,600 --> 00:15:31,720 Speaker 2: Yeah, you can't do that. You can't do that today, right, 301 00:15:33,240 --> 00:15:36,280 Speaker 2: you know. Well, and the problem is, you know the 302 00:15:36,400 --> 00:15:38,960 Speaker 2: problem with all the older cars. It's not that they 303 00:15:39,000 --> 00:15:43,000 Speaker 2: won't go the distance, but if they break, you can't 304 00:15:43,040 --> 00:15:45,320 Speaker 2: buy parts in the middle of Pennsylvania anymore. 305 00:15:46,120 --> 00:15:46,640 Speaker 5: You can't. 306 00:15:46,880 --> 00:15:49,240 Speaker 2: You can't get a water pump in Ohio, you can't 307 00:15:49,360 --> 00:15:52,680 Speaker 2: get you know, it's it's very different. I went to 308 00:15:52,760 --> 00:15:55,360 Speaker 2: college in a seventy two Monte Carlo all day long 309 00:15:55,440 --> 00:15:58,680 Speaker 2: for four years, and you know, I broke down on 310 00:15:58,720 --> 00:16:01,000 Speaker 2: the side of the Garden State Park walk into Newark 311 00:16:01,040 --> 00:16:03,080 Speaker 2: and get radiator hoses and belts and things that had 312 00:16:03,160 --> 00:16:03,720 Speaker 2: fallen off. 313 00:16:03,680 --> 00:16:04,320 Speaker 3: And so on and so on. 314 00:16:04,760 --> 00:16:07,680 Speaker 2: And you could do that today. Yeah, we'll have that 315 00:16:07,760 --> 00:16:09,320 Speaker 2: for you in three days. Great. 316 00:16:09,720 --> 00:16:10,640 Speaker 3: Got to order it online. 317 00:16:10,760 --> 00:16:13,000 Speaker 2: Got to order it online. It's it's everything that everything's 318 00:16:13,000 --> 00:16:16,200 Speaker 2: a bigger you know, depots and warehouses and you know, 319 00:16:16,440 --> 00:16:18,320 Speaker 2: just a very just a very different time. But then 320 00:16:18,320 --> 00:16:20,360 Speaker 2: again we're spoiled because look at how the car is today. 321 00:16:20,800 --> 00:16:22,960 Speaker 2: They just kind of rock it along and it's it's 322 00:16:23,080 --> 00:16:26,360 Speaker 2: rare when one of them does break and leave you stranded. Souh, 323 00:16:26,720 --> 00:16:29,040 Speaker 2: But I get it. I get it. Hey, listen, enjoy 324 00:16:29,120 --> 00:16:30,080 Speaker 2: the car. What color is it? 325 00:16:31,080 --> 00:16:31,320 Speaker 5: It is? 326 00:16:31,440 --> 00:16:32,320 Speaker 3: Deep water blue? 327 00:16:32,640 --> 00:16:36,000 Speaker 2: Oof, very pretty, very pretty. A friend of mine in 328 00:16:36,080 --> 00:16:40,840 Speaker 2: high school had a sixty six Novid two and Alan 329 00:16:40,920 --> 00:16:43,480 Speaker 2: storms with a storm and we called it the storm 330 00:16:43,560 --> 00:16:47,000 Speaker 2: and six. He had a six in it, and I 331 00:16:47,080 --> 00:16:50,200 Speaker 2: bet he wishes he still had that today too, anyway, 332 00:16:51,040 --> 00:16:54,080 Speaker 2: So a pleasure, Chris. Enjoy the car, all right, and 333 00:16:54,160 --> 00:16:56,520 Speaker 2: if you, if you, if you, if you find out 334 00:16:56,560 --> 00:16:58,360 Speaker 2: more about it, give us a call. We're always curious 335 00:16:58,880 --> 00:17:01,080 Speaker 2: about where these cars aren't what they really become. So 336 00:17:01,360 --> 00:17:04,000 Speaker 2: all right, be well, you're very welcome, sir. Yes, sir. 337 00:17:04,760 --> 00:17:07,720 Speaker 2: Having a documented car like that, just for the record, 338 00:17:09,040 --> 00:17:12,480 Speaker 2: it's exciting. It's different. It's a piece of history. It's 339 00:17:12,640 --> 00:17:15,480 Speaker 2: enough just to get to own a sixty seven Chevy Nova, 340 00:17:15,960 --> 00:17:18,560 Speaker 2: but to own a sixty seven Chevy Nova L seventy nine. 341 00:17:18,560 --> 00:17:20,320 Speaker 2: I should have asked Chris, he could have verified this. 342 00:17:21,080 --> 00:17:22,880 Speaker 2: I think it was a three twenty seven three point 343 00:17:22,880 --> 00:17:25,880 Speaker 2: fifty horse car, and it was very rare and very 344 00:17:26,840 --> 00:17:29,280 Speaker 2: very much sought after then as it is today. Hey, 345 00:17:29,320 --> 00:17:31,479 Speaker 2: five point five five six zero nine nine zero zero, 346 00:17:31,600 --> 00:17:33,320 Speaker 2: run a ding in the car, doctor. I am back 347 00:17:33,520 --> 00:17:40,560 Speaker 2: right after this. Hey, let's uh real quick, Tom, can 348 00:17:40,600 --> 00:17:43,119 Speaker 2: we tell the story in two minutes? Tom Ray? On 349 00:17:43,200 --> 00:17:45,760 Speaker 2: the on the on the I think so two eighty seven. 350 00:17:46,640 --> 00:17:49,040 Speaker 2: So here's my roving reporter, Tom Ray. The third off 351 00:17:49,080 --> 00:17:51,320 Speaker 2: and imitated, never duplicated the woman only not a phony, 352 00:17:51,359 --> 00:17:53,440 Speaker 2: no baloni. What happened on the road yesterday? Tom? 353 00:17:54,000 --> 00:17:55,879 Speaker 6: Well, I was on a I was at one of 354 00:17:55,960 --> 00:17:58,879 Speaker 6: my client stations, got on I eighty seven north and 355 00:17:59,280 --> 00:18:01,520 Speaker 6: this is an area it's about six miles from New 356 00:18:01,600 --> 00:18:04,480 Speaker 6: York New Jersey border, and traffic just came to a 357 00:18:04,560 --> 00:18:07,840 Speaker 6: screeching halt and there's this big black smoke cloud up ahead, 358 00:18:08,640 --> 00:18:10,840 Speaker 6: and we're just sitting there and sitting there and cop 359 00:18:10,920 --> 00:18:14,520 Speaker 6: cars and ambulances and everything else flying up the side 360 00:18:14,520 --> 00:18:19,320 Speaker 6: of the road. And eventually, about a half an hour later, 361 00:18:19,480 --> 00:18:22,640 Speaker 6: we finally got up there and it was an RV. 362 00:18:23,440 --> 00:18:25,520 Speaker 2: Wow, there was only about a quarter of it left. 363 00:18:25,600 --> 00:18:27,400 Speaker 2: It was burned all the way down to the frame. 364 00:18:27,480 --> 00:18:29,760 Speaker 2: There's a lot, there's a lot in an RV that'll burn. 365 00:18:30,000 --> 00:18:32,240 Speaker 2: An RV goes out, it's no wonder. It was so 366 00:18:32,359 --> 00:18:35,000 Speaker 2: much smoke, it was like it's worse. 367 00:18:34,840 --> 00:18:35,240 Speaker 1: Than the house. 368 00:18:35,320 --> 00:18:36,880 Speaker 6: They had to close the highway they had to close 369 00:18:36,920 --> 00:18:39,080 Speaker 6: the highway later to get it out of there. It 370 00:18:39,160 --> 00:18:40,399 Speaker 6: was off to the side of the road, but they 371 00:18:40,440 --> 00:18:42,320 Speaker 6: had to close it to get it out of there. So, uh, 372 00:18:43,000 --> 00:18:45,480 Speaker 6: it was a it was an interesting, interesting trip. 373 00:18:46,040 --> 00:18:46,200 Speaker 5: You know. 374 00:18:46,240 --> 00:18:48,159 Speaker 2: When you told me this story, Tom, it made me 375 00:18:48,280 --> 00:18:51,000 Speaker 2: think and say to myself, we're into fall, we're going 376 00:18:51,080 --> 00:18:53,560 Speaker 2: to get into winter weather. Just as a reminder for everyone, 377 00:18:54,600 --> 00:18:58,200 Speaker 2: if you were low on fumes, low on guess you 378 00:18:58,200 --> 00:18:59,760 Speaker 2: would have been running on fumes. You might not have 379 00:18:59,840 --> 00:19:01,640 Speaker 2: made it. That's true. 380 00:19:01,920 --> 00:19:04,119 Speaker 6: And it's it's actually funny because I did stop at 381 00:19:04,119 --> 00:19:05,760 Speaker 6: a gas station on my way out there and I 382 00:19:05,840 --> 00:19:08,160 Speaker 6: said something just said to me, you know, you don't 383 00:19:08,200 --> 00:19:10,440 Speaker 6: need it, but go ahead and top off the tank. 384 00:19:10,560 --> 00:19:12,440 Speaker 6: And you know, instead of just a bag of chips, 385 00:19:12,480 --> 00:19:14,800 Speaker 6: why don't you get something a little more substantial and 386 00:19:14,920 --> 00:19:16,440 Speaker 6: grab a soda while you're at it. And it's a 387 00:19:16,440 --> 00:19:18,000 Speaker 6: good thing I did because I got to eat supper 388 00:19:18,040 --> 00:19:18,560 Speaker 6: in the car. 389 00:19:18,520 --> 00:19:19,960 Speaker 5: And it was great. 390 00:19:20,440 --> 00:19:23,000 Speaker 2: So and the road, as I always say, is a 391 00:19:23,080 --> 00:19:26,000 Speaker 2: very unforgiving place. But we just want to remind everybody 392 00:19:26,119 --> 00:19:28,480 Speaker 2: with the fall in the winter, you know, if it's summer, 393 00:19:28,680 --> 00:19:29,920 Speaker 2: maybe you're going to get out of the car and 394 00:19:30,000 --> 00:19:32,600 Speaker 2: sit and wait for the traffic to dissipate. But yeah, 395 00:19:32,680 --> 00:19:34,920 Speaker 2: when it's cold, when it's rainy, when it's bad weather, 396 00:19:35,119 --> 00:19:37,160 Speaker 2: you're stuck in the car, make sure it's got gas. 397 00:19:37,560 --> 00:19:39,399 Speaker 2: Make sure you've made a pit stop as well as 398 00:19:39,480 --> 00:19:41,720 Speaker 2: for the car if you can when you have to, 399 00:19:41,960 --> 00:19:45,560 Speaker 2: and don't count on things working quite right, especially as 400 00:19:46,200 --> 00:19:48,600 Speaker 2: winter weather approaches. So just and I should. 401 00:19:48,320 --> 00:19:52,560 Speaker 6: Add that in this strutch of the road, you have 402 00:19:52,680 --> 00:19:54,640 Speaker 6: to go about five miles before you find an exit 403 00:19:54,720 --> 00:19:57,040 Speaker 6: because the next next exit is Malwah. Then you hit 404 00:19:57,119 --> 00:20:00,639 Speaker 6: the New York New Jersey state line, and nowhere in 405 00:20:00,760 --> 00:20:03,480 Speaker 6: that median is there a turnaround. 406 00:20:03,080 --> 00:20:03,560 Speaker 2: For the cops. 407 00:20:03,600 --> 00:20:05,080 Speaker 6: So it's not like you could just slip into the 408 00:20:05,119 --> 00:20:07,200 Speaker 6: other lane and go the opposite direction. There's nowhere to go. 409 00:20:07,359 --> 00:20:08,480 Speaker 6: It's on guardrail on that. 410 00:20:08,560 --> 00:20:11,320 Speaker 2: Side, right, So you sit there. What are you gonna do? 411 00:20:12,200 --> 00:20:15,879 Speaker 2: You sit there? And I have to point out RVs 412 00:20:15,920 --> 00:20:18,600 Speaker 2: are probably the only thing worse than an RV fire 413 00:20:18,720 --> 00:20:21,800 Speaker 2: is an EV fire, because when the evs go And 414 00:20:21,880 --> 00:20:23,760 Speaker 2: when I called you yesterday and you told me about 415 00:20:23,760 --> 00:20:25,080 Speaker 2: the smoke, I said, I wonder if that is an 416 00:20:25,119 --> 00:20:28,240 Speaker 2: EV to myself. But the issue with an RV is 417 00:20:28,280 --> 00:20:30,640 Speaker 2: it's got everything that a house has in it, plus 418 00:20:30,760 --> 00:20:33,399 Speaker 2: gasoline plus chemical plus, so. 419 00:20:33,880 --> 00:20:36,480 Speaker 6: It's got insulation, it's got two by fours, it's got 420 00:20:36,720 --> 00:20:40,560 Speaker 6: the kitchen table, it's got stoves, it's probably got propane 421 00:20:40,600 --> 00:20:41,399 Speaker 6: tanks attached to it. 422 00:20:41,640 --> 00:20:44,600 Speaker 2: Right, So it's a big kaboom. But well, we're glad 423 00:20:44,640 --> 00:20:47,280 Speaker 2: you're safe, and we appreciate you being out there and 424 00:20:48,280 --> 00:20:50,240 Speaker 2: letting us know what's going on. So just a little 425 00:20:50,280 --> 00:20:52,560 Speaker 2: reminder for everybody. Let's open the phones up. Let's go 426 00:20:52,560 --> 00:20:55,520 Speaker 2: to Elmer in Wisconsin, ninety six old. See what's going 427 00:20:55,560 --> 00:20:57,479 Speaker 2: on here? Elmer, Welcome to the car doctor, sir, how 428 00:20:57,520 --> 00:20:57,920 Speaker 2: can I help? 429 00:20:58,720 --> 00:21:01,520 Speaker 5: Thank you? I have a ninety six Ozobila Aurora and 430 00:21:01,600 --> 00:21:03,399 Speaker 5: he's got an electrical problem. I've had it in a 431 00:21:03,480 --> 00:21:05,560 Speaker 5: shop for a couple of years and they got stumped 432 00:21:05,600 --> 00:21:07,960 Speaker 5: with They thought they had it fixed, and it was 433 00:21:08,000 --> 00:21:10,159 Speaker 5: getting courage. You could see it on the information that 434 00:21:10,200 --> 00:21:12,920 Speaker 5: there had vote fourteen fifteen votes. Then all of a 435 00:21:12,960 --> 00:21:15,199 Speaker 5: sudden it would go down to eleven ten, and then 436 00:21:15,240 --> 00:21:17,639 Speaker 5: the colors run crafty and they couldn't get it to charge, 437 00:21:18,320 --> 00:21:20,879 Speaker 5: and they changed the austin three times, and they say 438 00:21:20,920 --> 00:21:24,280 Speaker 5: it's charging adultator, but it's not coming through getting to 439 00:21:24,320 --> 00:21:26,679 Speaker 5: the battery, so I don't know where where the voters 440 00:21:26,720 --> 00:21:27,600 Speaker 5: regulator is at. 441 00:21:27,760 --> 00:21:30,959 Speaker 2: Well, the vote the voltage regulator is built into the alternator. 442 00:21:31,680 --> 00:21:36,960 Speaker 2: All right, it's all part and parcel. So having said that, okay, 443 00:21:37,520 --> 00:21:40,120 Speaker 2: I remember the olds Auroras. As a matter of fact, Lou, 444 00:21:40,280 --> 00:21:45,960 Speaker 2: my former office manager, had a ninety six Aurora, and 445 00:21:46,320 --> 00:21:48,040 Speaker 2: I went through a lot with this car, more than 446 00:21:48,080 --> 00:21:50,800 Speaker 2: I want to remember. And I remember we had an 447 00:21:50,800 --> 00:21:53,800 Speaker 2: alternator charging system issue way back when. I mean we're 448 00:21:53,840 --> 00:21:56,760 Speaker 2: talking thirty years ago, twenty five years ago, when Lou 449 00:21:56,840 --> 00:22:00,879 Speaker 2: had it and it turned out that diagnosed it as 450 00:22:00,920 --> 00:22:04,879 Speaker 2: a bad alternator, put a replacement on, had a similar situation. 451 00:22:05,600 --> 00:22:08,440 Speaker 2: Put another replacement on, had a similar situation, and I said, 452 00:22:08,440 --> 00:22:13,320 Speaker 2: wait a minute, something's not making sense here. Now. One 453 00:22:13,359 --> 00:22:15,680 Speaker 2: of the things that you have to know is the 454 00:22:15,760 --> 00:22:20,040 Speaker 2: way this system works. The alternator is fed roughly five 455 00:22:20,160 --> 00:22:22,600 Speaker 2: volts sometimes a little more from the main engine, from 456 00:22:22,640 --> 00:22:26,760 Speaker 2: the powertrain control module, from the PCM. So one of 457 00:22:26,840 --> 00:22:30,200 Speaker 2: the first things you want to check is does it 458 00:22:30,359 --> 00:22:34,720 Speaker 2: have five vaults coming out of the PCM. If it 459 00:22:34,800 --> 00:22:36,639 Speaker 2: has if it has five volts coming out of the 460 00:22:36,720 --> 00:22:40,040 Speaker 2: PCM if it's got battery hot at the battery the 461 00:22:40,119 --> 00:22:43,159 Speaker 2: heavy red wire, all right, that shows I've got connection 462 00:22:43,240 --> 00:22:46,280 Speaker 2: to the battery if it's got and obviously it has 463 00:22:46,359 --> 00:22:51,200 Speaker 2: to be grounded. Okay. Next My next step is I'm 464 00:22:51,200 --> 00:22:52,920 Speaker 2: going to take a battery. I'm going to take a 465 00:22:53,000 --> 00:22:58,600 Speaker 2: test light battery hot, and I am going to apply 466 00:22:58,800 --> 00:23:01,560 Speaker 2: that voltage because that's that's going to drop across the bulb, 467 00:23:02,160 --> 00:23:04,560 Speaker 2: all right, and I am gonna I am going to 468 00:23:04,720 --> 00:23:09,560 Speaker 2: put that too to the red wire. Where the red 469 00:23:09,640 --> 00:23:12,480 Speaker 2: wire comes at the alternator. Does the alternator start to charge? 470 00:23:13,160 --> 00:23:17,679 Speaker 2: If the alternator charges, then my problem is elsewhere if 471 00:23:17,680 --> 00:23:19,960 Speaker 2: the alternator doesn't. What I ended up having to do 472 00:23:20,160 --> 00:23:23,720 Speaker 2: is I had to find a different supplier. They there's 473 00:23:23,800 --> 00:23:30,600 Speaker 2: something particular about that generation alternator. Those vehicles that I 474 00:23:30,680 --> 00:23:32,160 Speaker 2: don't know that and I don't want to say they're 475 00:23:32,160 --> 00:23:35,119 Speaker 2: all bad. I just I questioned the rebuilding carrier. I 476 00:23:35,240 --> 00:23:38,080 Speaker 2: just remember, you know you're striking a nerve here, Elmurra. 477 00:23:38,119 --> 00:23:41,760 Speaker 2: I remember that car from twenty five years ago, and 478 00:23:42,280 --> 00:23:44,480 Speaker 2: it we ended up with a different brand of alternator 479 00:23:44,520 --> 00:23:47,159 Speaker 2: and the problem went away. But you just have to 480 00:23:47,280 --> 00:23:49,639 Speaker 2: you know, there's four wires that come out to that alternator, 481 00:23:49,640 --> 00:23:53,639 Speaker 2: the heavy red, the light red, the blue, and I 482 00:23:53,680 --> 00:23:57,399 Speaker 2: think it was yellow or gray gray at the connector plug. 483 00:23:58,680 --> 00:24:00,520 Speaker 2: You know, I want to know, I want to know. 484 00:24:00,760 --> 00:24:02,280 Speaker 2: I want to do my pin test there. 485 00:24:02,400 --> 00:24:03,040 Speaker 5: What do I have? 486 00:24:03,280 --> 00:24:06,359 Speaker 2: What can I check? All right? The voltage? 487 00:24:06,680 --> 00:24:07,520 Speaker 3: Thing that did happen? 488 00:24:08,000 --> 00:24:11,760 Speaker 5: One thing that did happen at the connector plug. Those 489 00:24:11,840 --> 00:24:15,159 Speaker 5: wires are one of them broke. They broke and I 490 00:24:15,280 --> 00:24:17,800 Speaker 5: tried to put them back together and it was very 491 00:24:17,920 --> 00:24:21,320 Speaker 5: thin wire. So I'm wondering whether those were three wires 492 00:24:21,359 --> 00:24:23,760 Speaker 5: maybe a connect connected well. 493 00:24:23,960 --> 00:24:26,280 Speaker 2: Well, are they connected? Well? Are they connected to the 494 00:24:26,400 --> 00:24:27,120 Speaker 2: right terminal? 495 00:24:28,080 --> 00:24:28,800 Speaker 3: That's the other thing. 496 00:24:29,280 --> 00:24:32,600 Speaker 5: I thought I had my color you know, connected up, 497 00:24:32,640 --> 00:24:34,160 Speaker 5: but it was it was not clear. 498 00:24:34,520 --> 00:24:40,239 Speaker 2: So first yeah, first, first first things first is let's well, 499 00:24:40,320 --> 00:24:41,040 Speaker 2: went and bought. 500 00:24:40,880 --> 00:24:44,000 Speaker 5: A new connector from GM and it wasn't the same. 501 00:24:44,080 --> 00:24:46,520 Speaker 5: It's a bigger wire than it was the wireless on there. 502 00:24:46,640 --> 00:24:48,679 Speaker 2: Welcome to order repair common, So it. 503 00:24:48,720 --> 00:24:52,080 Speaker 5: Made it real difficult to try and mess those wires up. Right. 504 00:24:52,200 --> 00:24:54,359 Speaker 2: Well, it's it's it's just the way they do it. 505 00:24:54,440 --> 00:24:57,320 Speaker 2: They make it a generic, bigger plug, bigger wire. We 506 00:24:57,800 --> 00:25:01,440 Speaker 2: that generally happens. I would say eighty percent of the time. 507 00:25:01,800 --> 00:25:03,479 Speaker 2: But what you want to do is get a wiring 508 00:25:03,560 --> 00:25:06,680 Speaker 2: diagram and break out. You know, does the red wire 509 00:25:06,760 --> 00:25:09,240 Speaker 2: go to the L terminal and so on? Do we 510 00:25:09,359 --> 00:25:13,040 Speaker 2: have proper control? There's ways to verify that we've got 511 00:25:13,119 --> 00:25:16,080 Speaker 2: the wires, choices, wires in the right places. And if 512 00:25:16,119 --> 00:25:18,240 Speaker 2: we do, then you've got a circuit. Test it the 513 00:25:18,280 --> 00:25:20,920 Speaker 2: way I'm describing it, don't be surprised if you have 514 00:25:21,040 --> 00:25:24,119 Speaker 2: to try a different brand of alternator. But now that 515 00:25:24,160 --> 00:25:25,880 Speaker 2: you tell me that, I'm going to say, make sure 516 00:25:25,920 --> 00:25:28,120 Speaker 2: your wire's in the right spot before you go any further. 517 00:25:28,960 --> 00:25:31,879 Speaker 5: What about the power wire that goes from the alternator 518 00:25:31,920 --> 00:25:33,920 Speaker 5: back to the battery. Is there be a problem in that? 519 00:25:34,200 --> 00:25:35,480 Speaker 2: There could? But do you have you know, if the 520 00:25:35,520 --> 00:25:37,840 Speaker 2: battery's got fourteen or twelve and a half volts in 521 00:25:37,880 --> 00:25:40,119 Speaker 2: it and you measure twelve and a half volts at 522 00:25:40,160 --> 00:25:42,920 Speaker 2: the alternator, then you're good right. 523 00:25:44,119 --> 00:25:47,280 Speaker 5: Well, after you drive it a while, the votes, like 524 00:25:47,400 --> 00:25:52,240 Speaker 5: I said, go down on the indicator on the information panel. 525 00:25:52,280 --> 00:25:53,840 Speaker 3: It's shows you how many votes is run. 526 00:25:53,760 --> 00:25:55,880 Speaker 5: It okay, but all of a sudden that goes down. 527 00:25:56,240 --> 00:25:59,639 Speaker 2: Well, and I'm not doubting that. I'm not doubting that 528 00:25:59,800 --> 00:26:04,680 Speaker 2: the is losing voltage. All right, but at the moment 529 00:26:04,840 --> 00:26:08,360 Speaker 2: of that failure, what does it show at the alternator itself? 530 00:26:09,560 --> 00:26:15,600 Speaker 2: But but right, since the alternator is low on charge, okay, 531 00:26:16,359 --> 00:26:18,320 Speaker 2: or since the battery is low on charge, you're gonna 532 00:26:18,359 --> 00:26:20,760 Speaker 2: probably read the same thing once you do this. You 533 00:26:20,840 --> 00:26:24,280 Speaker 2: got a cigarette lighter in the car, Yeah, why don't 534 00:26:24,320 --> 00:26:28,000 Speaker 2: you rig up a vault meter to a cigarette lighter adapter. 535 00:26:28,760 --> 00:26:31,639 Speaker 2: Forget the dashboard, forget forget the car, take the car 536 00:26:31,720 --> 00:26:35,200 Speaker 2: out of the equation. Right, cigarette lighters a straight shot 537 00:26:35,320 --> 00:26:38,240 Speaker 2: back to a fuse. If your volt if your voltage 538 00:26:38,280 --> 00:26:41,040 Speaker 2: there matches the vehicle. Now you've got something I would 539 00:26:41,080 --> 00:26:45,520 Speaker 2: consider accurate, not computer buffered, to tell you what's going on, 540 00:26:45,640 --> 00:26:48,120 Speaker 2: and start to look at that. All right, all right, 541 00:26:48,240 --> 00:26:50,439 Speaker 2: but first things first, you've got to fix and verify 542 00:26:50,480 --> 00:26:52,800 Speaker 2: you're wiring at the plug, and then you call me back. 543 00:26:53,000 --> 00:26:56,040 Speaker 2: All right, kiddo, all right, good enough, alrighty you let 544 00:26:56,080 --> 00:26:58,320 Speaker 2: me know, Yes, sir, you're very welcome. Eight five five 545 00:26:58,400 --> 00:27:01,200 Speaker 2: five six zero nine nine zero zero running in the card. Doctor, 546 00:27:01,200 --> 00:27:06,480 Speaker 2: I'll be back right after the stunk away. Hey, let's 547 00:27:06,520 --> 00:27:07,960 Speaker 2: go to Glenn and Tennessee. Glenn. 548 00:27:08,240 --> 00:27:11,280 Speaker 4: You're there, sir, Yes, I am. How you doing good? 549 00:27:11,280 --> 00:27:12,200 Speaker 2: Shir tell me your story. 550 00:27:13,200 --> 00:27:16,439 Speaker 4: Okay. So I got a two thousand and nine FOURD escape. 551 00:27:17,240 --> 00:27:19,920 Speaker 4: About six months ago. I started having issues with the 552 00:27:20,000 --> 00:27:23,760 Speaker 4: ignition switch. So when I put the ignition the key 553 00:27:23,840 --> 00:27:27,399 Speaker 4: into the ignition switch, I had problems to the engine 554 00:27:27,440 --> 00:27:30,440 Speaker 4: turning over. So I've done some research on it and 555 00:27:30,760 --> 00:27:33,800 Speaker 4: found out that it could possibly be the ignition switch 556 00:27:33,840 --> 00:27:37,600 Speaker 4: itself inside the steering column. So I ordered a switch. 557 00:27:37,720 --> 00:27:41,080 Speaker 4: It was an OEM replacement. I put the switch in. 558 00:27:42,000 --> 00:27:45,320 Speaker 4: It never fixed the problem, and from that point on 559 00:27:45,520 --> 00:27:49,280 Speaker 4: it just seemed like it's gotten worse. I can do 560 00:27:49,440 --> 00:27:53,120 Speaker 4: my remote start on it. It's fine. From the remote key, 561 00:27:53,720 --> 00:27:56,080 Speaker 4: I can do the remote switch. It works fine. But 562 00:27:56,240 --> 00:27:57,760 Speaker 4: when I put the key in and try to turn 563 00:27:57,840 --> 00:28:01,400 Speaker 4: it over a lot of times just and turnover, it binds. 564 00:28:02,960 --> 00:28:06,000 Speaker 4: It doesn't bind up. It turns freely. But but when 565 00:28:06,040 --> 00:28:08,120 Speaker 4: I get when I get to the stopping point where 566 00:28:08,119 --> 00:28:11,200 Speaker 4: it should be cranking over, the engine does nothing. The 567 00:28:11,320 --> 00:28:14,480 Speaker 4: lights are on the dash, but the engine doesn't crank over. 568 00:28:15,119 --> 00:28:20,080 Speaker 2: Okay, and this is different than what it was prior 569 00:28:20,160 --> 00:28:21,879 Speaker 2: to you changing the ignition switch. 570 00:28:22,760 --> 00:28:25,720 Speaker 4: No, it's actually exactly the same. It just seems that 571 00:28:25,840 --> 00:28:29,240 Speaker 4: it doesn't start more times than it than it did before. 572 00:28:29,440 --> 00:28:30,359 Speaker 4: It's gotten worse. 573 00:28:32,240 --> 00:28:35,679 Speaker 2: Okay, but the cluster, the cluster is lit up. 574 00:28:36,760 --> 00:28:38,240 Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, all right it is. 575 00:28:38,400 --> 00:28:39,280 Speaker 2: Do you have a scan tool? 576 00:28:40,960 --> 00:28:41,120 Speaker 5: I do? 577 00:28:41,400 --> 00:28:45,400 Speaker 2: All right? When the key is in that on position 578 00:28:45,480 --> 00:28:49,600 Speaker 2: and then you go to crank right, look on you Now, 579 00:28:49,600 --> 00:28:51,640 Speaker 2: I'm not talking about something OBD two. Do you have 580 00:28:51,720 --> 00:28:53,960 Speaker 2: a Do you have something that'll go year make model? 581 00:28:55,560 --> 00:28:55,960 Speaker 2: I do not. 582 00:28:56,080 --> 00:28:57,719 Speaker 4: I just got to standard OBD. 583 00:28:58,040 --> 00:29:00,440 Speaker 2: Okay. You know what I was going to do is 584 00:29:00,480 --> 00:29:03,520 Speaker 2: take it down the path of can we see you know, 585 00:29:04,000 --> 00:29:06,200 Speaker 2: vehicle manufacturer. I don't believe it's going to be there 586 00:29:06,240 --> 00:29:09,680 Speaker 2: in OBD two. A vehicle manufacturer would give us the 587 00:29:09,720 --> 00:29:14,400 Speaker 2: ability to see key position. And I'd be curious to 588 00:29:14,480 --> 00:29:18,560 Speaker 2: know does does the vehicle? Does the PCM recognize key position? 589 00:29:19,360 --> 00:29:19,719 Speaker 2: All right? 590 00:29:19,920 --> 00:29:20,240 Speaker 4: Okay? 591 00:29:20,560 --> 00:29:23,960 Speaker 2: And what I'm thinking about is if the lock cylinder 592 00:29:24,160 --> 00:29:27,680 Speaker 2: is turning? Okay, I want to know do you have 593 00:29:27,720 --> 00:29:31,280 Speaker 2: an anti theft event? Is the first thought that comes 594 00:29:31,320 --> 00:29:34,960 Speaker 2: to my mind. All right. You know, if you look 595 00:29:35,040 --> 00:29:37,920 Speaker 2: on your dashboard, you've got that little plastic bubble with 596 00:29:38,000 --> 00:29:39,080 Speaker 2: the red light that blinks. 597 00:29:40,320 --> 00:29:43,040 Speaker 4: There's a there's a lock on it, there's a lock 598 00:29:43,120 --> 00:29:44,800 Speaker 4: that comes up on it, right. 599 00:29:44,840 --> 00:29:47,640 Speaker 2: Does it Does it change when there's a problem, Remember 600 00:29:47,640 --> 00:29:50,320 Speaker 2: what O nine was like. But I thought that it 601 00:29:50,480 --> 00:29:53,000 Speaker 2: blinks steady, and then if it saw an anti theft moment, 602 00:29:53,240 --> 00:29:56,200 Speaker 2: it will blink fast or change how fast it blinks 603 00:29:56,320 --> 00:29:58,920 Speaker 2: or something. I just want to verify that I don't 604 00:29:58,960 --> 00:30:01,680 Speaker 2: have an anti theft event going on here, all right, 605 00:30:02,000 --> 00:30:04,880 Speaker 2: because what you're describing to me is that. The other 606 00:30:04,960 --> 00:30:07,920 Speaker 2: thing I want to mention is you're aware, but I 607 00:30:08,000 --> 00:30:09,880 Speaker 2: think you're past this. But I just want to mention 608 00:30:10,440 --> 00:30:12,920 Speaker 2: there is a bulletin out there that talks about changing 609 00:30:13,000 --> 00:30:18,400 Speaker 2: the steering lock module, the entire module assembly bulletin number 610 00:30:18,720 --> 00:30:25,120 Speaker 2: nine Dash nineteen Dash fifteen, very the the the late eights, 611 00:30:25,240 --> 00:30:28,280 Speaker 2: because watch where you are, Glenn, the late O eights 612 00:30:28,640 --> 00:30:32,160 Speaker 2: and the early tens and all of the nines. So 613 00:30:32,360 --> 00:30:34,920 Speaker 2: like baby, you're right in the middle of it. I'm 614 00:30:35,200 --> 00:30:39,160 Speaker 2: all ver susceptible to this bulletin. And you know, there 615 00:30:39,200 --> 00:30:40,800 Speaker 2: was a there was a procedure of does it do this? 616 00:30:40,920 --> 00:30:42,720 Speaker 2: Does it do that? Yes? Yes, yes, no, no, no, 617 00:30:43,440 --> 00:30:45,520 Speaker 2: change the lock module. At one point it was under 618 00:30:45,560 --> 00:30:48,560 Speaker 2: warranty but not every car got repaired like that, So 619 00:30:48,960 --> 00:30:53,760 Speaker 2: that's on my mind, all right, if if you you know, 620 00:30:53,880 --> 00:30:56,760 Speaker 2: my next step would be, because you're proficient enough to 621 00:30:56,800 --> 00:30:59,120 Speaker 2: take it apart, I would get out a wiring diagram 622 00:30:59,560 --> 00:31:03,719 Speaker 2: and I would find the wire that's telling the PCM. Hey, 623 00:31:03,760 --> 00:31:08,880 Speaker 2: I'm in crank mode. I'd put a voltmeter on it, okay, 624 00:31:09,680 --> 00:31:12,560 Speaker 2: because I just want to know do I have signal? 625 00:31:12,960 --> 00:31:15,080 Speaker 2: If I have signal out of the switch and I'm 626 00:31:15,280 --> 00:31:18,320 Speaker 2: not being activated out of the PCM. Now, I'm starting 627 00:31:18,360 --> 00:31:21,680 Speaker 2: to think I've got a theft issue. And where am 628 00:31:21,720 --> 00:31:26,440 Speaker 2: I going there? Everybody forgets about anti theft and and 629 00:31:26,560 --> 00:31:28,560 Speaker 2: you know what, I think it's bred into us. It's 630 00:31:28,600 --> 00:31:30,840 Speaker 2: our father's fault. They bred it into us that it's 631 00:31:30,840 --> 00:31:35,520 Speaker 2: always something mechanical. So all right, do those things? Yeah, 632 00:31:35,560 --> 00:31:37,760 Speaker 2: tell you what? Sit tight? Sit tight, Glenn, Sit tight, 633 00:31:37,840 --> 00:31:38,960 Speaker 2: Let me pull out. I don't want to rush you. 634 00:31:39,120 --> 00:31:40,680 Speaker 2: Sit tight. Let me pull over and take this. I'll 635 00:31:40,680 --> 00:31:42,400 Speaker 2: come back and we'll talk about it some more. I'm 636 00:31:42,440 --> 00:31:44,120 Speaker 2: running ady in the car. Doctor. I'll be back right 637 00:31:44,200 --> 00:31:50,080 Speaker 2: after this. And we are back. Glenn, you're still there, sir, 638 00:31:51,000 --> 00:31:52,720 Speaker 2: I am, yeah. I didn't want to cut you short. 639 00:31:52,840 --> 00:31:54,600 Speaker 2: So what we're going to say, you had a question. 640 00:31:55,760 --> 00:31:58,800 Speaker 4: What was the recall? The bulletin number you were talking about. 641 00:31:59,000 --> 00:32:03,520 Speaker 2: The bullet bulletin number was nine dash nineteen dash fifteen. 642 00:32:03,680 --> 00:32:06,640 Speaker 2: It's a bulletin, not a recall, and it talks about, 643 00:32:06,960 --> 00:32:09,040 Speaker 2: you know, and it questions and puts you in a 644 00:32:09,080 --> 00:32:12,680 Speaker 2: position of do you need a steering lock module? Predominantly 645 00:32:12,840 --> 00:32:16,080 Speaker 2: for vehicles that had problems with the key binding not turning. 646 00:32:16,480 --> 00:32:18,000 Speaker 2: You have to push it in to get it to go. 647 00:32:18,840 --> 00:32:20,760 Speaker 2: You know, does it was it? Was it rough? Was 648 00:32:20,800 --> 00:32:22,320 Speaker 2: it smooth? Et cetera. 649 00:32:23,680 --> 00:32:25,840 Speaker 4: The only the only thing that I say is when 650 00:32:25,840 --> 00:32:29,760 Speaker 4: I try to insert it into the into the switch itself, 651 00:32:29,880 --> 00:32:32,480 Speaker 4: it's a little stubborn. Well, once it's in there and 652 00:32:32,600 --> 00:32:34,080 Speaker 4: I rotated, it seems free. 653 00:32:34,400 --> 00:32:38,200 Speaker 2: Well when you say switch, let's let's let's let's clarify 654 00:32:38,280 --> 00:32:41,640 Speaker 2: our terms. All right. So, so when you're putting the 655 00:32:41,760 --> 00:32:44,320 Speaker 2: key in, you're putting the key in the lock cylinder, 656 00:32:45,680 --> 00:32:47,560 Speaker 2: just like you're putting the key in the lock cylinder 657 00:32:47,600 --> 00:32:50,640 Speaker 2: of the door, right, No different. At the end of 658 00:32:50,720 --> 00:32:55,280 Speaker 2: the lock cylinder, you're then turning the switch. Yes, okay, 659 00:32:55,560 --> 00:32:57,560 Speaker 2: just so we're both on the side. I like to 660 00:32:57,640 --> 00:33:02,640 Speaker 2: be clear in my relationships. So yeah, and listen, that's 661 00:33:02,640 --> 00:33:05,280 Speaker 2: not to say you don't have two problems, right, Who's 662 00:33:05,400 --> 00:33:07,200 Speaker 2: who's to say you don't have, you know, an issue 663 00:33:07,240 --> 00:33:09,280 Speaker 2: with the steering lock module and an issue with the 664 00:33:09,720 --> 00:33:12,440 Speaker 2: with the no start with the no crank. But look 665 00:33:12,480 --> 00:33:15,000 Speaker 2: at anti theft. Remember what I said. At the back 666 00:33:15,040 --> 00:33:17,280 Speaker 2: of the ignition switch, there'll be one wire that feeds 667 00:33:17,320 --> 00:33:19,920 Speaker 2: the PCM and says, hey, I'm in crank you know, 668 00:33:20,080 --> 00:33:22,360 Speaker 2: engage the starter. And there's a couple other things that'll 669 00:33:22,400 --> 00:33:24,880 Speaker 2: look at there. But that is a part of the 670 00:33:24,920 --> 00:33:27,600 Speaker 2: controlled area network. And one last thing the instrument cluster 671 00:33:27,960 --> 00:33:30,840 Speaker 2: is the anti theft system. So maybe looking at that anyway, 672 00:33:31,000 --> 00:33:32,600 Speaker 2: let me know what happens, Glenn, I'm running NY in 673 00:33:32,600 --> 00:33:35,240 Speaker 2: the car doctor till the next time. Good mechanics aren't expensive, 674 00:33:35,360 --> 00:33:36,720 Speaker 2: they're priceless. See you.