1 00:00:00,200 --> 00:00:02,759 Speaker 1: Welcome to the newest edition of the Giants Huddle Podcast. 2 00:00:02,840 --> 00:00:04,400 Speaker 1: My name is John Schmulk. The guy next to me 3 00:00:04,400 --> 00:00:06,360 Speaker 1: you recognized him. He's Greg Cosel, one of the great 4 00:00:06,360 --> 00:00:09,520 Speaker 1: executive producers analysts for NFL films. Of course, you can 5 00:00:09,520 --> 00:00:11,560 Speaker 1: find the John Suttle Podcast one of your favorite podcast 6 00:00:11,640 --> 00:00:14,640 Speaker 1: platforms at Giants Mobile app and the Giants dot Com 7 00:00:14,760 --> 00:00:18,320 Speaker 1: slash podcasts. Greg, it's good to see in person, man. 8 00:00:18,360 --> 00:00:19,960 Speaker 1: It's it's been a couple of years. I know we 9 00:00:20,040 --> 00:00:22,880 Speaker 1: missed out last year. John, It's good to see people again. 10 00:00:23,160 --> 00:00:25,480 Speaker 1: You know, yourself included. It's it's that's one of the 11 00:00:25,520 --> 00:00:27,880 Speaker 1: nice things about the combine to reconnect with people. You know, 12 00:00:28,080 --> 00:00:30,240 Speaker 1: it really is. And when we're hearing Indie as we 13 00:00:30,320 --> 00:00:31,960 Speaker 1: kind of continue here, we've been talking a lot about 14 00:00:32,000 --> 00:00:35,919 Speaker 1: draft prospects. But for the folks that know Greg's work, uh, 15 00:00:35,920 --> 00:00:38,280 Speaker 1: he's one of the best of not the best xs 16 00:00:38,320 --> 00:00:40,159 Speaker 1: and those guys in the business. I'm gonna focus your 17 00:00:40,320 --> 00:00:41,839 Speaker 1: on the draft at the end of the interview, but 18 00:00:42,080 --> 00:00:44,159 Speaker 1: we'll start just talking about what we might see from 19 00:00:44,159 --> 00:00:46,400 Speaker 1: the Giants this year, Greg, because obviously a lot of changes, 20 00:00:46,400 --> 00:00:48,920 Speaker 1: and it starts with with head coach Brian Dable. I 21 00:00:48,920 --> 00:00:52,239 Speaker 1: know you did, uh for your ESPN show breaking down 22 00:00:52,280 --> 00:00:55,040 Speaker 1: a lot of the tape, right Uh, bills going deep 23 00:00:55,040 --> 00:00:56,840 Speaker 1: into the playoffs and they bring in Mike calf Gives 24 00:00:56,880 --> 00:00:59,560 Speaker 1: or offensive coordinator from the Chiefs. How do you see 25 00:00:59,600 --> 00:01:01,600 Speaker 1: all of coming together with those two guys, and how 26 00:01:01,640 --> 00:01:04,440 Speaker 1: what does Giants offens might look like with Daniel Jones. Yeah, 27 00:01:04,440 --> 00:01:06,480 Speaker 1: that's that's a really interesting question. I mean one of 28 00:01:06,520 --> 00:01:10,480 Speaker 1: the things with Brian Dable is I think that he 29 00:01:10,520 --> 00:01:14,280 Speaker 1: has some really good route concepts and route design um 30 00:01:14,520 --> 00:01:18,880 Speaker 1: which and a lot of them are are intermediate and vertical. Um. 31 00:01:18,920 --> 00:01:21,600 Speaker 1: You know. He obviously also had a very good quick 32 00:01:21,640 --> 00:01:24,839 Speaker 1: game with Josh Allen. The ball would come out quick. Um. 33 00:01:24,880 --> 00:01:27,240 Speaker 1: So he was brought in clearly, as you know, John, 34 00:01:27,920 --> 00:01:33,000 Speaker 1: this is what Daniel Jones fourth or he's heading into. Yeah, yeah, 35 00:01:33,440 --> 00:01:37,600 Speaker 1: so he clearly Brian Dable was was brought in two 36 00:01:38,680 --> 00:01:42,640 Speaker 1: see what Daniel Jones ultimately is. And and granted, this 37 00:01:42,720 --> 00:01:45,080 Speaker 1: is a team that has they don't have bad weapons 38 00:01:45,080 --> 00:01:48,200 Speaker 1: if you just look at them on a sheet of paper, healthy, right, 39 00:01:48,240 --> 00:01:52,760 Speaker 1: that was my point, um. And and they have multidimensional weapons, 40 00:01:52,800 --> 00:01:55,160 Speaker 1: and that's that's always something that you do want, but 41 00:01:55,240 --> 00:01:59,080 Speaker 1: guys have to stay healthy. Um. But I think the 42 00:01:59,160 --> 00:02:01,480 Speaker 1: number one goal here is to find out what Daniel 43 00:02:01,560 --> 00:02:04,600 Speaker 1: Jones is. It's not so much the scheme per se, 44 00:02:04,920 --> 00:02:07,480 Speaker 1: because yeah, do they have some good concepts. Every offensive 45 00:02:07,480 --> 00:02:10,760 Speaker 1: coach in the league has good concepts. Look, Mike comes 46 00:02:10,800 --> 00:02:12,919 Speaker 1: from Andy Reid and he played in Philly as well 47 00:02:12,919 --> 00:02:16,160 Speaker 1: when Andy Reid was there, So he has those concepts 48 00:02:16,200 --> 00:02:18,440 Speaker 1: which many in the league would consider really good pass 49 00:02:18,520 --> 00:02:22,160 Speaker 1: game concepts. So it's not the concepts per se, it's 50 00:02:22,440 --> 00:02:26,680 Speaker 1: can you make Daniel Jones a consistent player in terms 51 00:02:26,680 --> 00:02:29,280 Speaker 1: of his technique, in terms of what he sees, in 52 00:02:29,360 --> 00:02:31,400 Speaker 1: terms of how you coach him. One of the things 53 00:02:31,400 --> 00:02:34,120 Speaker 1: Brian Dable was known for with Josh Allen, and Josh 54 00:02:34,160 --> 00:02:37,160 Speaker 1: Allen was extremely receptive, was Brian Dable was known to 55 00:02:37,240 --> 00:02:40,880 Speaker 1: coach him hard and and I think that I've always 56 00:02:40,919 --> 00:02:43,320 Speaker 1: been a believer in that. I think the quarterback position 57 00:02:43,360 --> 00:02:46,359 Speaker 1: at the NFL level has to be coached. And when 58 00:02:46,360 --> 00:02:51,239 Speaker 1: I say coached, I mean details, nuance, subtleties. Quarterback in 59 00:02:51,280 --> 00:02:54,880 Speaker 1: the NFL is a disciplined craft position. We're so used 60 00:02:54,919 --> 00:02:59,760 Speaker 1: now with highlights seeing guys make second reaction improvisational runaround 61 00:03:00,040 --> 00:03:03,440 Speaker 1: lays that people get lost in the fact that the 62 00:03:03,480 --> 00:03:08,000 Speaker 1: position at its core is a detailed, subtle, nuanced discipline. 63 00:03:08,000 --> 00:03:10,440 Speaker 1: Craft positions see it and make quick decisions, and it 64 00:03:10,480 --> 00:03:13,160 Speaker 1: has to start there. And I mean, I can go 65 00:03:13,200 --> 00:03:15,600 Speaker 1: back and tell you a story about Ryan Jaworski when 66 00:03:15,600 --> 00:03:17,400 Speaker 1: he was with the Eagles in eight he'd been in 67 00:03:17,440 --> 00:03:21,200 Speaker 1: the league seven years, and Dick Vermille brought in Sid Gilman, 68 00:03:21,440 --> 00:03:23,800 Speaker 1: and Sid Gilman was known is known by many to 69 00:03:23,840 --> 00:03:26,320 Speaker 1: be the father of the modern day passing game. And 70 00:03:27,560 --> 00:03:29,640 Speaker 1: Jaws said, you know, I've been in the league seven years, 71 00:03:29,639 --> 00:03:32,920 Speaker 1: and Sid Gilman actually started the first day of offseason 72 00:03:32,960 --> 00:03:36,600 Speaker 1: workouts with the quarterback center exchange and doing it the 73 00:03:36,720 --> 00:03:38,640 Speaker 1: right way. It sounds like the wall, so the way 74 00:03:38,640 --> 00:03:42,640 Speaker 1: he and that's what That's the way things have to 75 00:03:42,680 --> 00:03:45,720 Speaker 1: be coached, you know. To me, again, I'm not a coach, Okay, 76 00:03:45,720 --> 00:03:47,040 Speaker 1: so I don't want to come across like I know 77 00:03:47,080 --> 00:03:50,119 Speaker 1: more than coaches because I don't. But to me, it's 78 00:03:50,120 --> 00:03:52,840 Speaker 1: not about drawing up cool route designs on the board. 79 00:03:52,880 --> 00:03:54,800 Speaker 1: That to me should not be the starting point. With 80 00:03:54,920 --> 00:03:59,080 Speaker 1: Daniel Jones, the starting point should be just what we 81 00:03:59,320 --> 00:04:01,480 Speaker 1: just what I spoke about, you know, taking the snap, 82 00:04:01,560 --> 00:04:04,080 Speaker 1: you're the right steps on your drop, the right steps 83 00:04:04,080 --> 00:04:05,960 Speaker 1: on your drop from under center of the right steps 84 00:04:05,960 --> 00:04:08,000 Speaker 1: on your drop. When you're in the shotgun, you know 85 00:04:08,120 --> 00:04:10,400 Speaker 1: where do your eyes go? Move your eyes with your 86 00:04:10,400 --> 00:04:13,040 Speaker 1: feet so you're not throwing off balance. You know, the 87 00:04:13,200 --> 00:04:16,840 Speaker 1: basic things. Almost starting over. It's a new coaching staff. 88 00:04:17,080 --> 00:04:19,960 Speaker 1: Dable was brought in because he's an offensive coach. That's 89 00:04:20,000 --> 00:04:22,640 Speaker 1: why he's the head coach. Because he's an offensive coach 90 00:04:22,800 --> 00:04:25,720 Speaker 1: who obviously did a great job with Josh Allen. So 91 00:04:25,760 --> 00:04:27,359 Speaker 1: now the goal is to do a great job with 92 00:04:27,440 --> 00:04:30,440 Speaker 1: Daniel Jones. And you have to start at the very beginning. 93 00:04:31,320 --> 00:04:33,680 Speaker 1: This podcast and all of our Combine coverage is presented 94 00:04:33,680 --> 00:04:36,680 Speaker 1: by AWS, proud partner of the New York Giants. What 95 00:04:36,800 --> 00:04:41,800 Speaker 1: did you see from Dable's development from Josh Allen that 96 00:04:41,880 --> 00:04:44,640 Speaker 1: Giant fans might be able to gleam something for how 97 00:04:44,640 --> 00:04:47,159 Speaker 1: he's gonna handle Daniel in terms of you know what 98 00:04:47,240 --> 00:04:50,919 Speaker 1: the steps in Ellen's progression was. Because let's be honest, 99 00:04:51,160 --> 00:04:54,000 Speaker 1: Josh Allen's first year it wasn't very good and again, 100 00:04:54,040 --> 00:04:55,800 Speaker 1: but it got progressively better and he took that big 101 00:04:55,839 --> 00:04:57,880 Speaker 1: jump in year three and the thing about and it 102 00:04:58,000 --> 00:05:01,440 Speaker 1: started the second half of year two, to be honest, Um, 103 00:05:01,480 --> 00:05:04,279 Speaker 1: But the thing about Josh, and again I can't speak 104 00:05:04,320 --> 00:05:07,000 Speaker 1: to Dabel's role in this. I know Josh is very 105 00:05:07,000 --> 00:05:09,640 Speaker 1: close with Jordan Palmer, who has been his quarterback coach 106 00:05:09,720 --> 00:05:12,440 Speaker 1: for years and and a lot of people give Jordan credit. 107 00:05:12,480 --> 00:05:15,240 Speaker 1: I know Jordan and and he's done a great job 108 00:05:15,279 --> 00:05:17,840 Speaker 1: with him. But Josh Allen has done something that I 109 00:05:17,880 --> 00:05:20,080 Speaker 1: can't recall. John, You've been doing this for a while too. 110 00:05:20,320 --> 00:05:26,280 Speaker 1: I can't recall a quarterback's ball placement getting so dramatically 111 00:05:26,440 --> 00:05:29,520 Speaker 1: better in such a short time than Josh Allen's looked. Gret, 112 00:05:29,560 --> 00:05:33,000 Speaker 1: I'm gonna be honest, people do the hindsight thing. How 113 00:05:33,000 --> 00:05:35,960 Speaker 1: did these teams pass on Josh Allen? Oh? I mean 114 00:05:36,040 --> 00:05:38,440 Speaker 1: you look at his Wyoming table and the balls all 115 00:05:38,480 --> 00:05:41,480 Speaker 1: over the correct I mean, Josh, look, everybody in anew 116 00:05:41,560 --> 00:05:43,960 Speaker 1: at six five to forty that he was a big 117 00:05:44,000 --> 00:05:46,800 Speaker 1: physical specimen and that he could throw the ball and 118 00:05:46,839 --> 00:05:50,479 Speaker 1: then he could move. Um. But no one would have 119 00:05:50,480 --> 00:05:52,400 Speaker 1: said when he came out of Wyoming, or even after 120 00:05:52,440 --> 00:05:54,520 Speaker 1: his first year in the league, that he was going 121 00:05:54,560 --> 00:05:58,360 Speaker 1: to become a relatively precise ball location throw. I mean 122 00:05:58,400 --> 00:06:00,800 Speaker 1: he was under six. I think I'm theF and he 123 00:06:00,839 --> 00:06:05,160 Speaker 1: missed badly. He was scattered, shot all over the correct 124 00:06:05,720 --> 00:06:07,240 Speaker 1: and the bottom line. In the NFL, as you can't 125 00:06:07,279 --> 00:06:08,719 Speaker 1: miss lay ups, you don't get a lot of layups. 126 00:06:08,720 --> 00:06:12,119 Speaker 1: As a quarterback, you can't miss lay ups. And so again, 127 00:06:12,160 --> 00:06:14,080 Speaker 1: I don't want to sit here and speak out of school. 128 00:06:14,120 --> 00:06:17,240 Speaker 1: I don't know what Dable's role in that versus Jordan's 129 00:06:17,320 --> 00:06:19,520 Speaker 1: role in that. You know what I can tell you 130 00:06:19,640 --> 00:06:22,400 Speaker 1: is I think that Dable brings which most coaches do, 131 00:06:22,760 --> 00:06:26,600 Speaker 1: but he brings a fully dimensional, three level offensive approach. 132 00:06:26,800 --> 00:06:30,320 Speaker 1: Explain what you mean by that. He attacks all three 133 00:06:30,440 --> 00:06:33,600 Speaker 1: levels of the defense. There's a short, intermediate, and vertical level, 134 00:06:34,160 --> 00:06:38,320 Speaker 1: and he attacks all those levels. Now, the game, particular 135 00:06:38,360 --> 00:06:40,800 Speaker 1: game plans will dictate how much you do of each one, 136 00:06:40,839 --> 00:06:43,719 Speaker 1: depending on who your opponent is. Uh, A lot of 137 00:06:43,720 --> 00:06:48,160 Speaker 1: factors go into that, but it's it's fully dimensional in 138 00:06:48,200 --> 00:06:50,359 Speaker 1: the way it's taught and the way it can be 139 00:06:50,440 --> 00:06:54,000 Speaker 1: executed on any given Sunday. Um But as I said 140 00:06:54,040 --> 00:06:58,560 Speaker 1: to me, that needs to be secondary to really starting 141 00:06:58,560 --> 00:07:03,560 Speaker 1: with the basics and getting Daniel Jones feeling incredibly comfortable 142 00:07:03,920 --> 00:07:07,400 Speaker 1: with the details of the position. You gotta start there, 143 00:07:07,640 --> 00:07:09,680 Speaker 1: you know, I know he's going into his fourth year. 144 00:07:10,520 --> 00:07:13,240 Speaker 1: I don't know Daniel Jones personally. My guess is he's 145 00:07:13,240 --> 00:07:15,040 Speaker 1: a good guy and he's literally been in the building 146 00:07:15,120 --> 00:07:17,120 Speaker 1: every day. This off sne is correct, I don't think. 147 00:07:17,160 --> 00:07:18,760 Speaker 1: My guess is he would not have an issue with 148 00:07:18,760 --> 00:07:24,240 Speaker 1: any of this stuff we're talking about. So so, you know, 149 00:07:24,280 --> 00:07:26,760 Speaker 1: I think he'll take to this. My guess is if 150 00:07:26,800 --> 00:07:28,680 Speaker 1: he has to be coached hard, he'll be totally fine 151 00:07:28,680 --> 00:07:30,920 Speaker 1: with that. He's not gonna rebel against that and act 152 00:07:30,960 --> 00:07:32,440 Speaker 1: like I know at all. I don't think he's that 153 00:07:32,480 --> 00:07:36,480 Speaker 1: guy at all. Um, So you know, we'll see where 154 00:07:36,480 --> 00:07:38,880 Speaker 1: it goes. But clearly Brian Dable was brought in to 155 00:07:39,000 --> 00:07:41,559 Speaker 1: make Daniel Jones worthy of a six pick in the draft. 156 00:07:42,720 --> 00:07:45,040 Speaker 1: All right, let's let's talk about the schematic part of this, right, 157 00:07:45,080 --> 00:07:47,520 Speaker 1: Because I went back and I watched Calfghan, I watched Table, 158 00:07:47,800 --> 00:07:50,960 Speaker 1: and I felt that the offense is kind of attacked 159 00:07:51,240 --> 00:07:54,560 Speaker 1: defenses and put him in difficult situations in the same way. 160 00:07:54,600 --> 00:07:57,080 Speaker 1: But the way they went ABATTT was different, Right, Dable, 161 00:07:57,200 --> 00:07:58,960 Speaker 1: he didn't really run a lot of bunch sets, right, 162 00:07:59,000 --> 00:08:02,440 Speaker 1: it was right, sort out correct tries to set up 163 00:08:02,440 --> 00:08:05,240 Speaker 1: those one one matchups. He has good separators they win, 164 00:08:05,680 --> 00:08:08,200 Speaker 1: Alan hits him and a quarterback who's very aggressive throwing 165 00:08:08,200 --> 00:08:10,160 Speaker 1: the ball, and so he'll throw to one on once. 166 00:08:10,280 --> 00:08:12,120 Speaker 1: I was shocked when I went back and I'm mic 167 00:08:12,160 --> 00:08:14,160 Speaker 1: and this is kind of gave me a lot of confidence, 168 00:08:14,160 --> 00:08:17,400 Speaker 1: and I'm like, well, Brian day Will clearly sculpted this 169 00:08:17,480 --> 00:08:21,000 Speaker 1: offense specifically for Josh Allen. How many times Allen would 170 00:08:21,000 --> 00:08:23,680 Speaker 1: either boot to one side or play action to one 171 00:08:23,720 --> 00:08:25,720 Speaker 1: side and the play was designed to come back the 172 00:08:25,720 --> 00:08:28,040 Speaker 1: other way. You see had the arm to make those. 173 00:08:28,400 --> 00:08:31,080 Speaker 1: Josh Allen is the most physically gifted quarterback in the NFL. 174 00:08:31,400 --> 00:08:34,200 Speaker 1: And that's without question. That's not to me, that's not 175 00:08:34,280 --> 00:08:36,719 Speaker 1: a debatable point. You know, we can debate who's the 176 00:08:36,760 --> 00:08:40,240 Speaker 1: best quarterback. That's a great conversation, but you're just talking 177 00:08:40,240 --> 00:08:43,200 Speaker 1: about physical traits. He's the most physically gifted quarterback in 178 00:08:43,200 --> 00:08:45,360 Speaker 1: the league. Throw further than anybody, he can run like 179 00:08:45,360 --> 00:08:47,360 Speaker 1: a running back, and he's just it's it's amazing. He's 180 00:08:47,360 --> 00:08:49,680 Speaker 1: gonna do everything. Then you have Kafka, right, and we 181 00:08:49,679 --> 00:08:51,720 Speaker 1: know about the Chiefs and they're big place he didn't 182 00:08:51,760 --> 00:08:53,959 Speaker 1: interview with Bob Pop. And the first thing when Bob 183 00:08:54,000 --> 00:08:56,160 Speaker 1: asked them about, um, what it takes to be a 184 00:08:56,160 --> 00:08:58,199 Speaker 1: good offense in the league. What do you think? His 185 00:08:58,280 --> 00:09:01,240 Speaker 1: answer was his first thing to say, what a team 186 00:09:01,280 --> 00:09:02,439 Speaker 1: has to be good at in order to be a 187 00:09:02,440 --> 00:09:05,160 Speaker 1: good offense? You mean said, I don't know what he says. 188 00:09:05,160 --> 00:09:08,440 Speaker 1: He said explosive place, which is and if you look 189 00:09:08,440 --> 00:09:10,360 Speaker 1: at and by the way, I'm not surprised by that 190 00:09:10,400 --> 00:09:13,440 Speaker 1: because most coaches would tell you that offense needs to 191 00:09:13,440 --> 00:09:16,120 Speaker 1: be built to create explosive place, and that's what he said. 192 00:09:16,520 --> 00:09:18,080 Speaker 1: But I feel like, you know, the Chiefs, they want 193 00:09:18,080 --> 00:09:20,120 Speaker 1: a lot more bunch sets right there are more rpo 194 00:09:20,520 --> 00:09:23,360 Speaker 1: builds in more stracts, I feel like. So I'm really 195 00:09:23,360 --> 00:09:27,120 Speaker 1: curious to see how you combine those two elements together. 196 00:09:27,160 --> 00:09:29,160 Speaker 1: And everything people have told me about Dable is that 197 00:09:29,440 --> 00:09:32,200 Speaker 1: he's extremely open to ideas and different things. And he's 198 00:09:32,920 --> 00:09:35,480 Speaker 1: Dable ran if you if you you know, even went 199 00:09:35,559 --> 00:09:37,040 Speaker 1: back two years. I don't know how much you watch, 200 00:09:37,120 --> 00:09:39,960 Speaker 1: but he likes to run a lot of deep crossers, 201 00:09:40,000 --> 00:09:42,880 Speaker 1: a lot of those kinds of routes, whereas Andy Reid 202 00:09:42,880 --> 00:09:45,640 Speaker 1: and Kafka comes a lot more from the flood concept 203 00:09:45,760 --> 00:09:48,559 Speaker 1: where it's you know, the three level stretch to one 204 00:09:48,640 --> 00:09:50,360 Speaker 1: side of the field and then you have the deep 205 00:09:50,400 --> 00:09:52,480 Speaker 1: drags and then yeah, so I mean there's a lot 206 00:09:52,480 --> 00:09:54,640 Speaker 1: of concepts here. Like I said, these are all really 207 00:09:54,720 --> 00:09:59,920 Speaker 1: good concepts, and there's intermediate vertical elements um that are involved. 208 00:10:00,080 --> 00:10:02,679 Speaker 1: They have, you know, well the one thing too about Kafka. 209 00:10:02,760 --> 00:10:05,080 Speaker 1: He comes and and Dabele did some of this too, 210 00:10:05,160 --> 00:10:08,079 Speaker 1: not as much as as the Chiefs did. But the 211 00:10:08,160 --> 00:10:10,760 Speaker 1: Chiefs did a lot of motion. The Chiefs did a 212 00:10:10,800 --> 00:10:13,560 Speaker 1: lot of jet motion. You know, they had players like that. 213 00:10:13,640 --> 00:10:15,800 Speaker 1: Those actually used a lot of that with Josh Allen's 214 00:10:15,800 --> 00:10:18,360 Speaker 1: design runs this year right right right, But in their 215 00:10:18,400 --> 00:10:20,480 Speaker 1: past game they didn't use as much motion as the 216 00:10:20,559 --> 00:10:23,720 Speaker 1: Chiefs do. You know, they started to use Isaiah McKenzie 217 00:10:23,760 --> 00:10:26,440 Speaker 1: a little more towards later in the season. Um. But 218 00:10:26,640 --> 00:10:30,000 Speaker 1: the Giants, you know, assuming Tony's healthy, he's that kind 219 00:10:30,040 --> 00:10:33,400 Speaker 1: of player you can line him up anywhere outside inside, 220 00:10:33,400 --> 00:10:36,319 Speaker 1: he's a motion guy. You can put him in the backfield. Um. 221 00:10:36,360 --> 00:10:38,800 Speaker 1: You know, we saw the Chiefs obviously put their wide 222 00:10:38,800 --> 00:10:41,560 Speaker 1: receivers in the backfield at times. The Bills did at times, 223 00:10:41,600 --> 00:10:43,959 Speaker 1: so there's a lot here to work with, and you 224 00:10:44,000 --> 00:10:45,760 Speaker 1: can use Si Kuan and those type of roles too, 225 00:10:45,800 --> 00:10:49,000 Speaker 1: right with his still around. Well, yeah, correct, we'll see 226 00:10:49,360 --> 00:10:51,640 Speaker 1: the rumor Mills has study. It's the combine the rumor mills, 227 00:10:51,720 --> 00:10:54,120 Speaker 1: you know, going pretty jokingly. Great. They asked the general 228 00:10:54,120 --> 00:10:56,520 Speaker 1: manager question and he answered the kind of generically. But 229 00:10:56,559 --> 00:10:58,920 Speaker 1: then people kind of took that, which is you know, 230 00:10:59,120 --> 00:11:01,800 Speaker 1: New York media never us that sort of stuff. It's crazy. No, no, no, 231 00:11:02,920 --> 00:11:04,920 Speaker 1: but no. So, I mean, look, I know he didn't 232 00:11:04,920 --> 00:11:06,480 Speaker 1: have a good year numbers wise, and he was hurt 233 00:11:06,480 --> 00:11:11,400 Speaker 1: a lot. But holadays certainly is a big, big boundary 234 00:11:11,559 --> 00:11:14,079 Speaker 1: X receiver. He fills that role now, a different type 235 00:11:14,080 --> 00:11:17,320 Speaker 1: of receiver than what Table had in Buffalo and had 236 00:11:17,559 --> 00:11:20,119 Speaker 1: with Chiefs. Though he don't correct, he's not a separator 237 00:11:20,200 --> 00:11:23,520 Speaker 1: like the guys. No, no, no, no, he's not. He's not. 238 00:11:23,559 --> 00:11:26,440 Speaker 1: He's more of your traditional boundary X that can win, 239 00:11:27,679 --> 00:11:31,000 Speaker 1: can match up right right and make make contested catches 240 00:11:31,040 --> 00:11:34,679 Speaker 1: both along the sideline and in the middle of the field. Um. 241 00:11:34,720 --> 00:11:37,880 Speaker 1: So yeah, he's more typical in that regard. But I mean, 242 00:11:37,920 --> 00:11:40,920 Speaker 1: Tony is certainly a movable chess piece. Um. Then they 243 00:11:40,960 --> 00:11:44,000 Speaker 1: got to figure out, you know, I mean, right now, 244 00:11:45,040 --> 00:11:48,520 Speaker 1: what's what's Ingram status? Free agent? Yeah, that's what I thought. So, 245 00:11:49,080 --> 00:11:50,599 Speaker 1: I mean, you don't know whether he'll be back, and 246 00:11:50,600 --> 00:11:54,960 Speaker 1: he's shepherds coming off the torn Achilles tomb and he's yeah, 247 00:11:54,960 --> 00:11:57,640 Speaker 1: that's a tough in. He may not be back for 248 00:11:57,679 --> 00:12:01,440 Speaker 1: a quickness guy's hard. Yeah, So I mean, you know, 249 00:12:01,480 --> 00:12:04,040 Speaker 1: and then they've got to make sure that the offensive line, 250 00:12:04,040 --> 00:12:07,360 Speaker 1: however they see it, you know, gets fixed because you 251 00:12:07,440 --> 00:12:11,439 Speaker 1: hit it like this, run those deep crossing overs. If 252 00:12:11,480 --> 00:12:14,880 Speaker 1: you can't protect, you can't. And Daniel Jones isn't He's 253 00:12:14,920 --> 00:12:17,440 Speaker 1: an athlete, but he's not as elusive in the pocket 254 00:12:17,480 --> 00:12:20,400 Speaker 1: as a Mahome. He's more straight line correct, so he's 255 00:12:20,440 --> 00:12:24,560 Speaker 1: not gonna necessarily artificially created. He's more straight line and linear. 256 00:12:24,640 --> 00:12:27,280 Speaker 1: He's not he's not like. The thing that separates Josh 257 00:12:27,280 --> 00:12:30,560 Speaker 1: Allen from even let's say Justin Herbert, is that Justin 258 00:12:30,600 --> 00:12:34,000 Speaker 1: Herbert is straight line linear. Josh Allen moves, he's got 259 00:12:34,040 --> 00:12:37,480 Speaker 1: some some fluidity and then loosens to his hips. And 260 00:12:37,480 --> 00:12:38,760 Speaker 1: that's what you know. Johnny fans will call up our 261 00:12:38,760 --> 00:12:40,560 Speaker 1: shows last last couple of years, we don't understand why 262 00:12:40,559 --> 00:12:42,200 Speaker 1: they throwing the ball down the field more? And I go, 263 00:12:42,400 --> 00:12:44,920 Speaker 1: you know, guys, besides, like you're either straight fades or 264 00:12:45,000 --> 00:12:47,840 Speaker 1: straight fly patterns in your nine routes, Like you actually 265 00:12:47,880 --> 00:12:50,240 Speaker 1: need a couple of seconds to develop these deep overs, 266 00:12:50,280 --> 00:12:53,800 Speaker 1: Like it takes time throws you do. And also Josh 267 00:12:53,880 --> 00:12:56,640 Speaker 1: is different than Daniel Jones. And and again now you 268 00:12:56,679 --> 00:12:59,760 Speaker 1: get into the nuances. Josh can just sit on his 269 00:13:00,000 --> 00:13:03,040 Speaker 1: act foot and as people get closer to him, he 270 00:13:03,080 --> 00:13:06,000 Speaker 1: can still throw drive the ball, you know, thirty yards 271 00:13:06,040 --> 00:13:08,480 Speaker 1: down the field, doesn't have to step into it. Jones 272 00:13:08,520 --> 00:13:10,440 Speaker 1: can't quite do that. Jones doesn't have a bad arm, 273 00:13:10,559 --> 00:13:12,560 Speaker 1: but he doesn't have that kind of art. Well if 274 00:13:12,600 --> 00:13:15,800 Speaker 1: you do so, I mean, you know you have to 275 00:13:16,320 --> 00:13:18,679 Speaker 1: you have to factor in a lot of different things here. 276 00:13:18,720 --> 00:13:21,040 Speaker 1: You know, the offensive line really comes into play here, 277 00:13:21,040 --> 00:13:22,520 Speaker 1: and I think that's an area that they have to 278 00:13:22,520 --> 00:13:25,800 Speaker 1: look to improve when you look at developing an offensive line. 279 00:13:25,800 --> 00:13:27,400 Speaker 1: And we had Daniels and I'm not an expert on 280 00:13:27,400 --> 00:13:29,079 Speaker 1: this Cholf, I'll give him. I'll do my best here. 281 00:13:29,160 --> 00:13:31,360 Speaker 1: No I'm not. I'm not talking about technique and stuff 282 00:13:31,400 --> 00:13:33,480 Speaker 1: like that. But when you talk about, you know, putting 283 00:13:33,480 --> 00:13:35,920 Speaker 1: a line together, and building one right, and and we 284 00:13:35,960 --> 00:13:38,240 Speaker 1: had Joe Shane talked about this when we had him 285 00:13:38,240 --> 00:13:40,800 Speaker 1: on on Tuesday. I guess it was all these days 286 00:13:40,800 --> 00:13:44,000 Speaker 1: bling together right here. Um. He didn't build his builds 287 00:13:44,000 --> 00:13:46,200 Speaker 1: offensive line with first round picks. No, he had one 288 00:13:46,240 --> 00:13:47,840 Speaker 1: first round pick of Miami. And by the way, it's 289 00:13:47,880 --> 00:13:49,240 Speaker 1: not a great online I can tell you that, no, 290 00:13:49,320 --> 00:13:51,160 Speaker 1: it's not. It's right. Josh Allen makes a lot better 291 00:13:51,200 --> 00:13:53,200 Speaker 1: because he moves around like a maniac. You know. They 292 00:13:53,280 --> 00:13:56,240 Speaker 1: learned me tunsil in Miami. Um. And then we had 293 00:13:56,280 --> 00:13:58,400 Speaker 1: Day of Jeremiah and he has is what I call 294 00:13:58,520 --> 00:14:01,199 Speaker 1: his tomato can theory, and that you don't need five 295 00:14:01,240 --> 00:14:03,640 Speaker 1: all pros. You don't. You just can't have one or 296 00:14:03,679 --> 00:14:06,480 Speaker 1: two tomato cans that teams can target and attack me 297 00:14:06,640 --> 00:14:08,320 Speaker 1: you like you have to be. You don't have to 298 00:14:08,360 --> 00:14:10,480 Speaker 1: be a top five line. You just can't be a 299 00:14:10,520 --> 00:14:13,000 Speaker 1: bottom quarter. But now you get into and this is 300 00:14:13,040 --> 00:14:16,040 Speaker 1: where you know, and there's so many variables. As you know, John, 301 00:14:16,080 --> 00:14:17,960 Speaker 1: I mean, and we could probably have this conversation for 302 00:14:18,000 --> 00:14:20,680 Speaker 1: three hours, yes, of course, but but you don't have 303 00:14:20,720 --> 00:14:23,760 Speaker 1: the time right right, But where your offensive line comes 304 00:14:23,760 --> 00:14:26,640 Speaker 1: into play is when you get into those longer yarded 305 00:14:26,720 --> 00:14:30,000 Speaker 1: situations because if you feel you have to protect your 306 00:14:30,000 --> 00:14:34,200 Speaker 1: offensive line with extra bodies, that limits what you can 307 00:14:34,200 --> 00:14:36,160 Speaker 1: do with your out concepts. And by the way, it's 308 00:14:36,160 --> 00:14:38,080 Speaker 1: probably why the Giants were so poor in two minutes 309 00:14:38,120 --> 00:14:40,520 Speaker 1: situations last year because other teams know you're gonna pass, 310 00:14:40,520 --> 00:14:42,080 Speaker 1: and you have to pass, and that's when your offensive 311 00:14:42,080 --> 00:14:45,080 Speaker 1: line gets exposed. Correct, so you know you're right and 312 00:14:45,120 --> 00:14:47,800 Speaker 1: that do you need five all pros? No? But you 313 00:14:48,320 --> 00:14:52,600 Speaker 1: every offensive coach wants to send out five. Okay, because 314 00:14:55,040 --> 00:14:57,640 Speaker 1: football on the past game is a numbers game. John. 315 00:14:57,960 --> 00:15:00,560 Speaker 1: You know, just like the defense would to be able 316 00:15:00,600 --> 00:15:03,560 Speaker 1: to rush with four effectively in play seven in coverage, 317 00:15:03,760 --> 00:15:05,800 Speaker 1: the offense would love to be able to send out 318 00:15:05,880 --> 00:15:10,080 Speaker 1: five and only block with five. Okay, it's a numbers game. 319 00:15:10,320 --> 00:15:13,040 Speaker 1: But if you can't block with five, and when does 320 00:15:13,040 --> 00:15:14,880 Speaker 1: that show up? It doesn't show up on first and 321 00:15:14,920 --> 00:15:17,479 Speaker 1: ten or second and three. When you can be proactive 322 00:15:17,480 --> 00:15:20,040 Speaker 1: with your play calls, you can do a lot of 323 00:15:20,040 --> 00:15:23,840 Speaker 1: different things. It shows up on third and eight. Okay. 324 00:15:24,360 --> 00:15:26,400 Speaker 1: You don't want to have to keep a tight end 325 00:15:26,520 --> 00:15:29,120 Speaker 1: or a back into protect or even chip because when 326 00:15:29,120 --> 00:15:33,600 Speaker 1: they chip, they're automatically not primary receivers, because same with 327 00:15:33,640 --> 00:15:34,760 Speaker 1: the tight end. By the way, that's one of the 328 00:15:34,760 --> 00:15:38,480 Speaker 1: reasons Evans numbers the way down this year. He was chipping, right, 329 00:15:38,680 --> 00:15:40,680 Speaker 1: you can't you can't run a steam route if you're 330 00:15:41,000 --> 00:15:44,000 Speaker 1: so now exactly that limits the routes your tight end 331 00:15:44,000 --> 00:15:46,280 Speaker 1: can run. I mean, say what you want. And obviously 332 00:15:46,360 --> 00:15:49,080 Speaker 1: Mahomes is a different kind of player, you know, than 333 00:15:49,160 --> 00:15:53,080 Speaker 1: than many in the league. But Travis Kelsey was often 334 00:15:53,080 --> 00:15:56,440 Speaker 1: a split detached receiver when they were in third down situations. 335 00:15:56,800 --> 00:15:59,320 Speaker 1: You know, only once in a while might he chip, 336 00:15:59,640 --> 00:16:01,920 Speaker 1: but that was not really what they had to do 337 00:16:02,440 --> 00:16:05,040 Speaker 1: because they didn't have a great, great old line. It 338 00:16:05,080 --> 00:16:07,600 Speaker 1: was a good online But Mahomes can also make it better, 339 00:16:07,680 --> 00:16:10,440 Speaker 1: just like Alan can make it better. So you know, 340 00:16:10,680 --> 00:16:12,640 Speaker 1: you have to factor that into the equation as you 341 00:16:12,680 --> 00:16:15,720 Speaker 1: look at Daniel Jones. While Daniel Jones can certainly run 342 00:16:15,720 --> 00:16:17,320 Speaker 1: in a straight line, and we've seen him on his 343 00:16:17,360 --> 00:16:21,040 Speaker 1: own reads show some some speed, but he's not elusive, 344 00:16:21,680 --> 00:16:24,880 Speaker 1: you know, he's not that guy. Right, I get to 345 00:16:24,880 --> 00:16:26,800 Speaker 1: all the offensive, right, I want to jump to the 346 00:16:26,840 --> 00:16:29,000 Speaker 1: wink side, and we will. I will definitely have Greg 347 00:16:29,040 --> 00:16:30,720 Speaker 1: On on a zoom at some point before the draft 348 00:16:30,760 --> 00:16:33,280 Speaker 1: to do more in depth than we have more time. Um, 349 00:16:33,320 --> 00:16:35,120 Speaker 1: what do you think about the Wink Martindale scheme and 350 00:16:35,200 --> 00:16:37,080 Speaker 1: kind of what love means for the Giants defense? Talk 351 00:16:37,120 --> 00:16:38,520 Speaker 1: to me about it. I love it. I mean, first 352 00:16:38,560 --> 00:16:41,080 Speaker 1: of all, I love the fact that Wink Martindale is 353 00:16:41,560 --> 00:16:44,920 Speaker 1: is an aggressive decoordinator. I think is some of his 354 00:16:44,960 --> 00:16:47,200 Speaker 1: pressure schemes are as good as there are in the league, 355 00:16:47,240 --> 00:16:50,480 Speaker 1: with his ability to understand protections and break them down. 356 00:16:50,840 --> 00:16:52,880 Speaker 1: And what that means, just so because you hear that 357 00:16:53,000 --> 00:16:56,400 Speaker 1: term a lot, what that means really making it very 358 00:16:56,440 --> 00:17:01,000 Speaker 1: simple is by aligning your front a certain way, your 359 00:17:01,000 --> 00:17:04,879 Speaker 1: defensive front, you can pretty much dictate what the offensive 360 00:17:04,920 --> 00:17:07,040 Speaker 1: line is going to do from a protection standpoint, and 361 00:17:07,080 --> 00:17:09,719 Speaker 1: you know that from film as well. But when you 362 00:17:10,119 --> 00:17:13,880 Speaker 1: show a certain front, look, you know, hey, we're overloading 363 00:17:14,119 --> 00:17:16,320 Speaker 1: one side. We know the old line is now going 364 00:17:16,359 --> 00:17:19,359 Speaker 1: to slide that way. But he's really good at is 365 00:17:19,440 --> 00:17:24,760 Speaker 1: showing certain things, dictating the protection and then coming from 366 00:17:24,800 --> 00:17:28,080 Speaker 1: the other side where the where the protection is now weak. 367 00:17:28,960 --> 00:17:31,480 Speaker 1: He's really good at that. So I love the fact 368 00:17:31,560 --> 00:17:34,560 Speaker 1: that he's aggressive. I think they've got, like, to me, 369 00:17:34,600 --> 00:17:37,960 Speaker 1: a player like Xavier McKinney is such a good fit 370 00:17:38,400 --> 00:17:42,120 Speaker 1: for for the Martindale defense because McKinney is so versatile. 371 00:17:43,080 --> 00:17:45,800 Speaker 1: He can play multiple positions. He can play on your 372 00:17:45,840 --> 00:17:48,439 Speaker 1: back end, he can play in the box. He essentially 373 00:17:48,520 --> 00:17:50,600 Speaker 1: can play linebacker, and if you want to play with 374 00:17:50,720 --> 00:17:54,199 Speaker 1: six dbs or even seven d b s, can be 375 00:17:54,200 --> 00:17:56,320 Speaker 1: slock corner. No, he's just gonna add that, you know. 376 00:17:56,960 --> 00:17:58,800 Speaker 1: I mean, there was a player on Baltimore that maybe 377 00:17:58,800 --> 00:18:01,560 Speaker 1: Giants fans don't know, named Sean Elliott, who was not 378 00:18:01,600 --> 00:18:04,200 Speaker 1: a high draft choice, came out of Texas. Most people 379 00:18:04,240 --> 00:18:05,880 Speaker 1: didn't think he played in the league because he didn't 380 00:18:05,880 --> 00:18:09,359 Speaker 1: have quote unquote traits. He became an integral part of 381 00:18:09,400 --> 00:18:12,360 Speaker 1: Wink Martindale's defense in Baltimore because he could do all 382 00:18:12,480 --> 00:18:15,399 Speaker 1: these kinds of things and McKinney can do them far better. 383 00:18:16,240 --> 00:18:19,000 Speaker 1: That's interesting when it comes to Wings defense. You talked 384 00:18:19,000 --> 00:18:21,760 Speaker 1: about how he manipulates the offensive line, creates matchups, gets 385 00:18:21,840 --> 00:18:23,840 Speaker 1: free rushers, which is kind of the point of all that. 386 00:18:24,320 --> 00:18:27,560 Speaker 1: Do you think it's necessary when you run that type 387 00:18:27,560 --> 00:18:33,200 Speaker 1: of scheme to invest heavily in top and super talented 388 00:18:33,280 --> 00:18:36,440 Speaker 1: edge of guys, or is the scheme enough to generate 389 00:18:36,480 --> 00:18:39,800 Speaker 1: pressure on its own without having those elite guys that 390 00:18:39,840 --> 00:18:43,080 Speaker 1: can consistently win one on one matchups. When you're trying 391 00:18:43,119 --> 00:18:46,560 Speaker 1: to measure where you wanted, that's im asking me relatively speaking, 392 00:18:46,880 --> 00:18:49,439 Speaker 1: I would say that it's more important in that scheme 393 00:18:49,520 --> 00:18:52,480 Speaker 1: to have quality man to man corners. That was That 394 00:18:52,560 --> 00:18:54,600 Speaker 1: was basically where I was going with the question, because 395 00:18:54,640 --> 00:18:57,920 Speaker 1: you can scheme up pressure. Now, does every team want 396 00:18:57,920 --> 00:18:59,600 Speaker 1: the one guy or two guys who can win one? 397 00:18:59,680 --> 00:19:03,000 Speaker 1: Of course, I mean everybody wants that, Yeah, But if 398 00:19:03,000 --> 00:19:08,000 Speaker 1: you're just asking me relatively speaking, he can create pressure. 399 00:19:08,040 --> 00:19:10,159 Speaker 1: I'm talking like when like, let's say you're running one 400 00:19:10,160 --> 00:19:12,840 Speaker 1: of these you know, two deep schemes that Allodi's running. Now, 401 00:19:13,040 --> 00:19:15,200 Speaker 1: it's more important to me to have the good past me. 402 00:19:15,320 --> 00:19:17,320 Speaker 1: And if you really want to be a four man 403 00:19:17,400 --> 00:19:20,120 Speaker 1: rush team, and I don't think Martin Dale's that guy, 404 00:19:20,600 --> 00:19:22,399 Speaker 1: He's not, you know, but if you want to be 405 00:19:22,520 --> 00:19:24,640 Speaker 1: that team and you need those guys that you mentioned, 406 00:19:25,000 --> 00:19:29,159 Speaker 1: But if you're gonna if you want a pressure, whether 407 00:19:29,200 --> 00:19:33,119 Speaker 1: you're rushing five or six, or even what we call 408 00:19:33,160 --> 00:19:36,439 Speaker 1: simulated pressure where you rush four, but two of the 409 00:19:36,520 --> 00:19:39,679 Speaker 1: four could be a linebacker and a safety, you know 410 00:19:40,160 --> 00:19:44,040 Speaker 1: then you want you need to play man outside the numbers. 411 00:19:44,040 --> 00:19:45,840 Speaker 1: Like one thing I saw constantly from then Greg like 412 00:19:45,840 --> 00:19:48,199 Speaker 1: he talked about he would bring the two linebackers up 413 00:19:48,240 --> 00:19:52,240 Speaker 1: into the two A gaps, right, everybody does that, So 414 00:19:52,600 --> 00:19:55,159 Speaker 1: fax the blitz and then all of a sudden the 415 00:19:55,240 --> 00:19:57,399 Speaker 1: cornerback comes on the other side, and all of a 416 00:19:57,400 --> 00:19:59,919 Speaker 1: sudden you get there. Putting two guys up in the 417 00:20:00,080 --> 00:20:03,120 Speaker 1: in the A gaps dictates protection because you can't change 418 00:20:03,119 --> 00:20:07,119 Speaker 1: your protection in the middle of the play. So um 419 00:20:07,160 --> 00:20:11,159 Speaker 1: so yeah. So I think that the the having manned 420 00:20:11,280 --> 00:20:15,800 Speaker 1: corners in Martindale scheme to me would be more important 421 00:20:16,040 --> 00:20:19,000 Speaker 1: than having you know, just the one rusher, you know, 422 00:20:19,200 --> 00:20:21,040 Speaker 1: the one age right which and and by the way, 423 00:20:21,280 --> 00:20:23,960 Speaker 1: I don't think um, the Georgia kid had a bad year, 424 00:20:24,600 --> 00:20:26,879 Speaker 1: the rookie. Oh yeah, I don't think he had a 425 00:20:26,880 --> 00:20:29,919 Speaker 1: bad year at all. Pretty yeah. I thought that he 426 00:20:30,040 --> 00:20:33,199 Speaker 1: showed that he could become a quality one on one 427 00:20:33,240 --> 00:20:35,439 Speaker 1: pass rusher. If you hear the grunting behind us. By 428 00:20:35,480 --> 00:20:37,160 Speaker 1: the way, the bench press, I would say, is about 429 00:20:37,160 --> 00:20:40,440 Speaker 1: what a hundred two feet away from us, and guys 430 00:20:40,440 --> 00:20:42,080 Speaker 1: are working right now, so we're gonna wrap in a second. 431 00:20:42,080 --> 00:20:43,480 Speaker 1: Oh great guy. The other stuff he's got to do. 432 00:20:44,440 --> 00:20:47,520 Speaker 1: What kind of linebackers off ball linebacker talking, not edge 433 00:20:47,520 --> 00:20:51,280 Speaker 1: guys would Martindale be looking for in that system? You know, 434 00:20:51,280 --> 00:20:53,560 Speaker 1: because there's so many of these range Do you think 435 00:20:53,640 --> 00:20:56,000 Speaker 1: he cares about size? Because I only answered because there's 436 00:20:56,000 --> 00:20:57,879 Speaker 1: a guy like the Kobe Dean was coming out right 437 00:20:57,880 --> 00:21:01,719 Speaker 1: and some of these smaller college linebackers six ft does 438 00:21:01,760 --> 00:21:04,320 Speaker 1: he care about that? Look at Patrick Queen. That's where 439 00:21:04,359 --> 00:21:06,320 Speaker 1: I was kind of gone. I mean, I think he 440 00:21:06,359 --> 00:21:10,800 Speaker 1: would rather have range and sideline to sideline and the 441 00:21:10,840 --> 00:21:15,439 Speaker 1: ability to blitz as opposed to the punds. Now, as 442 00:21:15,520 --> 00:21:18,560 Speaker 1: we know, there's there's not gonna be a Micah Parsons 443 00:21:18,600 --> 00:21:21,760 Speaker 1: who comes out every year once every ten years exactly. 444 00:21:21,800 --> 00:21:25,200 Speaker 1: So I mean there's so I would I would think 445 00:21:25,240 --> 00:21:29,399 Speaker 1: he would rather have range, play, speed, blitz ability, you 446 00:21:29,400 --> 00:21:33,160 Speaker 1: know that kind of thing to me. To me, that's 447 00:21:33,200 --> 00:21:34,399 Speaker 1: the way I would see it. All Right, before we 448 00:21:34,400 --> 00:21:36,000 Speaker 1: wrap it again, we're gonna have Greg on before the 449 00:21:36,040 --> 00:21:39,160 Speaker 1: draft to talk more about it. Give me your final thing. 450 00:21:39,440 --> 00:21:43,159 Speaker 1: Just overall, ten thousand foot lens on this draft class 451 00:21:43,160 --> 00:21:45,440 Speaker 1: and looking at it, and I'm just being honest, You're 452 00:21:45,480 --> 00:21:47,639 Speaker 1: not copping out. I haven't seen enough, you know, because 453 00:21:47,640 --> 00:21:49,920 Speaker 1: I'm a one man scouting service and I can't really 454 00:21:50,000 --> 00:21:53,160 Speaker 1: jump into this in detail until after the super Bowl, 455 00:21:53,320 --> 00:21:57,200 Speaker 1: which was not that long ago. And as you know, John, 456 00:21:57,240 --> 00:21:59,359 Speaker 1: I'm not one of those guys that watches twenty plays 457 00:21:59,400 --> 00:22:01,440 Speaker 1: of guys. So when you get to certain positions, I 458 00:22:01,480 --> 00:22:04,040 Speaker 1: gotta watch four or five games and it takes time. 459 00:22:04,560 --> 00:22:06,840 Speaker 1: So I'm not I'm not there yet. I'm just being honest. 460 00:22:06,840 --> 00:22:09,119 Speaker 1: I don't want to say anything about guys I haven't seen. 461 00:22:09,600 --> 00:22:10,960 Speaker 1: I think that's fair. By the way, that's why we 462 00:22:11,040 --> 00:22:13,359 Speaker 1: like having Yet I know we're getting the straight dope. 463 00:22:13,359 --> 00:22:14,919 Speaker 1: We're not no, no, I'm not gonna make it up 464 00:22:15,000 --> 00:22:18,000 Speaker 1: a dope. I'm not gonna make it up. I don't 465 00:22:18,040 --> 00:22:20,439 Speaker 1: watch twenty players just to put a tweet out right, 466 00:22:20,760 --> 00:22:24,120 Speaker 1: which is what people do. Greg always great talk to him. John, 467 00:22:24,160 --> 00:22:26,480 Speaker 1: appreciate it. Man, Thanks your great cell, and tell the 468 00:22:26,480 --> 00:22:28,239 Speaker 1: folks where they can find all your stuff. But Um, 469 00:22:28,480 --> 00:22:30,080 Speaker 1: I know you're doing the new podcast, doing a new 470 00:22:30,080 --> 00:22:34,440 Speaker 1: podcast called um Um Tapeed's NFL Draft season with Bob 471 00:22:34,520 --> 00:22:37,159 Speaker 1: with Shusen, who I'm sure you know by play. You know, 472 00:22:37,200 --> 00:22:40,000 Speaker 1: one of the he's phenomenal. Um, there's gonna be two 473 00:22:40,040 --> 00:22:42,120 Speaker 1: of those every week for a half hour. We hope 474 00:22:42,160 --> 00:22:44,320 Speaker 1: to have some great guests as well, but we'll be 475 00:22:44,359 --> 00:22:47,760 Speaker 1: talking not only players in the draft, but concepts, you know, 476 00:22:47,960 --> 00:22:50,480 Speaker 1: things that make the NFL and college different. Things we 477 00:22:50,520 --> 00:22:52,560 Speaker 1: have to look for. I mean, we did our first 478 00:22:52,560 --> 00:22:55,639 Speaker 1: one last week, our first two. Um, I guess earlier 479 00:22:55,680 --> 00:22:58,760 Speaker 1: this week. I'm so lost on the day, but you know, 480 00:22:58,800 --> 00:23:00,200 Speaker 1: I think it's gonna be really a lot of fun. 481 00:23:00,200 --> 00:23:02,399 Speaker 1: Bob's phenomenal. All right, we look forward to seeing it. 482 00:23:02,440 --> 00:23:04,080 Speaker 1: Make sure you check great out on Twitter as well. 483 00:23:04,280 --> 00:23:06,359 Speaker 1: There's a great job over the NFL Films. 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