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Speaker 1: Broadcasting live from the Abraham Lincoln Radio Studio the George

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Speaker 1: Washington Broadcast Center, Jack Armstrong and Joe Getty arm Strong

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Speaker 1: and Getty and he Armstrong and Getty.

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Speaker 2: Warning from Pope Leo about the dangers of artificial intelligence

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Speaker 2: and the document released over the weekend. The leader of

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Speaker 2: the Catholic Church said it can be hard to tell

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Speaker 2: whether we are interacting with a person or a bot

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Speaker 2: these days online, and he warned against quote affectionate chatbots

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Speaker 2: that may become quote hidden architects of our emotions.

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Speaker 3: Well maybe if you could get some of those peto

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Speaker 3: priests in a relationship with a chatbox, then you wouldn't

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Speaker 3: have to be WHOA, wouldn't have to be involved with

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Speaker 3: ten year old aultar boys. These the Chicago Pope. This

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Speaker 3: is made a fresh start, I hope.

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Speaker 1: Wow. Okay, wow, that was vicious.

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Speaker 3: So speaking of the internet thing, that's a warning that

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Speaker 3: needs to be made. It's something to worry about. You

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Speaker 1: It might be like the warning that needs to be made. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: So speaking of AI, it was funny. I'm gonna work

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Speaker 1: my way to the main topic. But have you ever

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Speaker 1: heard the term panopticon? No, it's it's It was originally

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Speaker 1: a work of architecture developed by the philosopher Jeremy Bentham

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Speaker 1: and his brother, actually of a structure with a central

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Speaker 1: tower surrounded by like cells, so the watchman could see

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Speaker 1: what everybody's doing without them knowing he was observing them,

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Speaker 1: whether prisoner workers or children or whatever. And that the

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Speaker 1: term panopticon became a word that was used to describe

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Speaker 1: the surveillance state. Gotcha in general in the twentieth century,

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Speaker 1: and talk about that, that phenomenon, the evils of it,

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Speaker 1: blah blah blah. Jeremy Bentham, in his will, demanded that

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Speaker 1: his body be dissected and put on public display.

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Speaker 3: And it is is he like an exhibitionist of the

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Speaker 3: most severe kind?

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Speaker 4: Is that?

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Speaker 3: What's going on here? I don't know what's to look

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Speaker 3: at my liver? It turns me on who who was.

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Speaker 1: I just reading about? What are your great writers or thinkers? Said? No,

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Speaker 1: no funeral, no nothing, no statue, no headstone. Oh Dickens

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Speaker 1: was hardcore like that? Why yeah, don't publish any of

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Speaker 1: my just just forget forget about me. Let people read

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Speaker 1: but Bentham was the opposite. So there he sits at

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Speaker 1: the University College of London, adorned with a it's his skeleton,

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Speaker 1: sitting on a wooden stool. He's got a wax head.

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Speaker 1: It's not just his skull. They've got a wax head

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Speaker 1: of his likeness us sitting there staring out at students

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Speaker 1: from its class case. Wow, it's charming. Wow, some whacky

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Speaker 1: doodle stuff. Did you ever go to.

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Speaker 3: The one of those human body displays, remember when that

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Speaker 3: was popular fifteen years ago?

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Speaker 1: Ober Katie's nodding her head. Yeah, yeah, I just saw

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Speaker 1: the pictures. I didn't go.

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Speaker 3: We always assumed that they were Chinese dissidents because where

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Speaker 3: did they get these human bodies? But they were like skinned,

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Speaker 5: Yeah, there was one that was actually cut vertically into

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I saw that in San Francisco.

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Speaker 3: Maybe you and I saw the same one, but yeah,

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Speaker 3: probably so this would be similar to that what you

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Speaker 1: Putting aside the initial nausea and the nausea at the

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Speaker 1: thought that its political dissonance and you know, executees it

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Speaker 1: really was interesting anatomically, it has to be, obviously, so

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Speaker 1: speaking of AI as we were sort of kind of

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Speaker 1: mal Cantalon wrote a piece for the Free Press. AI

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Speaker 1: took control of my life and I love it. I

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Speaker 1: give it my passwords, my calendar and my money. It

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Speaker 1: gave me my life back. Brief note, she is the

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Speaker 1: founder of Knox, an AI assisted inbox organizing tool, and

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Speaker 1: has a very busy schedule. She's very tech savvy compared

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Speaker 1: to a lot of us lightweight, but she she realized

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Speaker 1: that she was making commitments she couldn't keep track of.

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Speaker 1: It becomes so overwhelmed by thousands of notifications that I

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Speaker 1: had put my phone in a perpetual state of do

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Speaker 1: not disturb. She writes, I was desperate, and Claude promised salvation.

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Speaker 1: All I had to do was give it every bit

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Speaker 1: of data about my life, and it began coding agents,

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Speaker 1: little AI helpers living in your computer to accomplish all

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Speaker 1: heck get flitted out of my mind claud code, which

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Speaker 1: is anthropics coding tool. You just tell it here's what

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Speaker 1: I want to do, and it writes all the code

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Speaker 3: I was looking for something in Claude the other day

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Speaker 3: and I saw that code thing, and I thought, what

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Speaker 1: I've read a handful of accounts of people using it

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Speaker 1: it's pretty doable. I think it's twenty dollars a month.

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Speaker 1: Keep in mind now that this is Anthropic, who's CEO

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Speaker 1: in Clip eleven said this, So you.

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Speaker 2: Know, I think, to be fair, none of us fully

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Speaker 2: know how to control AI systems.

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Speaker 1: Like you know, I can't tell you there's a.

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Speaker 2: One hundred percent chance that even the systems we build

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Speaker 1: We do everything we can to make them more reliable

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Speaker 1: every day. That's fine, you get the gist of it.

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Speaker 1: We try, we try to improve them, blah blah blah.

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Speaker 1: But so you're going to feed all of your sensitive

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Speaker 3: I assume bank accounts, passwords, all those things.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, indeed, yeah, as she writes, let me skip across

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Speaker 1: to the first thing I asked Claude to do is

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Speaker 1: tackle the subscriptions I pay for and never use. Gym memberships,

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Speaker 1: streaming subscriptions sell service providers are banking on the fact

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Speaker 1: that you're too tired, too overworked, and too forgetful to cancel.

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Speaker 1: So I copied a bit of code from GitHub called

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Speaker 1: just effing Cancel and fed it to Claude. It pulled

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Speaker 1: all of my transactions across all my credit cards, and

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Speaker 1: when it found repetitive subscriptions, it would ask me, hey,

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Speaker 1: is this something that you use? And I would say yes, sir, no, no,

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Speaker 1: I need to do that bad. When it said no,

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Speaker 1: it found a contact for the company and drafted an

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Speaker 1: email asking them to cancel my subscription. Oh my god,

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Speaker 1: I want that, she said. One day, I got seven

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Speaker 1: hundred dollars back. This is absurd. I thought. It costs

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Speaker 1: twenty bucks a month to use claud code, and in

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Speaker 1: a matter of hours it's paid for itself. I didn't

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Speaker 1: what the reason was. At total cost, I had ten

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Speaker 1: outstanding citations. Claude paid for all of them using my

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Speaker 1: with a reasonable chance of prevailing. It told me. Then

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Speaker 1: I wrote an appeal for one of them and emailed

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Speaker 3: Remember our old news guy Marsha Phillips had so many

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Speaker 3: parking tickets he got thrown in the La County jail

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Speaker 1: Yeah, because he had no money. He was the equivalent

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Speaker 1: of the vetter's prison jack on fire. He needed this

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Speaker 1: Claude bot. Yeah. With parking tickets taking care of, I

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Speaker 1: was ready to focus on my health. I find that

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Speaker 1: I sometimes wake up grog even after a solid seven

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Speaker 1: this by connecting Claude to Smart watch Whoop that stores

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Speaker 1: my watch. Now, when my heart rate drops below a

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Speaker 1: certain thresholds as I drift off, the watch alerts Claud

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Speaker 1: and counts four ram cycles about six hours from that

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Speaker 1: point before it wakes me up. My health is better

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Speaker 1: since I enlisted Claude, It planned my workouts and found

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Speaker 1: time for them. Blah blah blah. Now this all is

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Speaker 1: starting to sound a little intimidating to me. Well, right,

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Speaker 1: that's what I'm wondering.

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Speaker 3: Can I get I don't know, Can I get Gemini

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Speaker 3: or Grock to get in contact with Claude and tell

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Speaker 3: it to do this, or have claudetail Claud or something.

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Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, I feel like we're probably a couple

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Speaker 1: of weeks away from somebody realizing, hey, this is an

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Speaker 1: enormous profit center. But people like Joe and Jack and

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Speaker 1: a lot of you good folks, I'd imagine here. All

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Speaker 1: it not gonna happen.

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Speaker 5: Yes, Katie, wonder if I wonder if, since this article

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Speaker 5: has come out and it's public, if you could go

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Speaker 5: into Claude and say, hey, I want you to duplicate

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Speaker 5: what you did for this.

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Speaker 1: I want you what you did for that chick.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and maybe I do it all once.

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Speaker 1: Let's see it analyze. I hit inbox zero for the

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Speaker 1: first time ever thanks to Claude filtering and deleting spam

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Speaker 1: while auto drafting replies for all relevant inbound emails. It

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Speaker 1: analyzed my bottomless pile of Apple notes and meeting transcripts,

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Speaker 1: found the things I'd procrastinated on, took care of them instantaneously,

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Speaker 1: from confirming travel details to following up on action items

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Speaker 1: from meetings. I don't have a lot of meetings. Thank god.

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Speaker 1: My personal fight. Here we go. My personal finances are

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Speaker 1: now managed by claud Code overnight. It picks the locks

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Speaker 1: of brokerages that refuse to talk to each other and

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Speaker 1: pulls congressional and hedge fund disclosures, polymarket odds, X sentiment headlines,

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Speaker 1: and ten k's from my watch list. I don't know

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Speaker 1: what half of that is. Every morning, it scans the

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Speaker 1: news and writes me personalized briefs on my portfolio and

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Speaker 1: opportunities to buy or sell. Last month, it flagged Democratic

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Speaker 1: Congressman Cleo Field's buying at least half a million dollars

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Speaker 1: in Netflix stock. Three weeks later, it flagged the potential

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Speaker 1: Warner Brothers merger. I don't always take its advice, but

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Speaker 1: I'm never tracking fifteen tabs at sixteen am and six

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Speaker 1: This chick is a hard charger.

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Speaker 3: I need to try some of this today because I'd

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Speaker 3: never thought of it before. If I tell Claude or

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Speaker 3: I have all four four of them Gemini, Claude, Grock

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Speaker 3: and Chat GPT, but tell one of them like my

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Speaker 3: schedule for the week, Here's what time I pick up

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Speaker 3: this kid from where boy scouts, this day, guitar lists

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Speaker 3: and that blah blah blah. Put it in there and

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Speaker 3: just remind me of these every morning and then get

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Speaker 3: in the habit of hey, Claude, what do I got today?

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Speaker 1: Yeah? And then it tells me does it well to

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Speaker 1: Just for mistake of the discussion, Spain has roughly won

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Speaker 3: Here's Barack Obama in twenty ten about why that's not

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Speaker 4: There are those in the immigrants rights community who have

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Speaker 4: What and set laws for residency? We do citizenship, we

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Speaker 1: If they're nice folks, it's fundamentally unfair to those people

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Speaker 3: Unbelievable that we are where we are right now, we're

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Speaker 1: In nineteen of the twenty, Democrats and Joe Biden was

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Speaker 3: Can you imagine the booze that would have rained down

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Speaker 1: Well, and it's also amazing that the folks who scribble

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Speaker 4: I know.

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Speaker 1: I tell her Barack Obama, I have friends.

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Speaker 3: I'd like to play that in the Hillary clip we

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Speaker 1: they don't have like fixed actual principles. It's just what's

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Speaker 1: and they have no, like, no neurological memory of what

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Speaker 3: I think the overwhelming feeling would be that being nice

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Speaker 1: Right, being accepted, saying what I'm supposed to say, and

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Speaker 1: being rewarded for it.

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Speaker 3: The nice thing to do would be allow people to

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Speaker 3: free healthcare. So you don't run that through the But

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Speaker 3: how would that work? How could we afford that filter?

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Speaker 3: It's just nice?

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Speaker 1: And then if they you know, cause it'd be one

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Speaker 1: of those swaps where like I stay in their apartment

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Speaker 1: while in the summertime.

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Speaker 3: Do you drive the Subaru and then they drive your

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Speaker 3: truck or whatever? Hey, you know, if we can work

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Speaker 3: it out, sure, why not. But then they would get

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Speaker 3: into my head and think Oh my god. This guy

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Speaker 3: like if somebody says I disagree, he doesn't care.

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Speaker 3: He's intrigued by it. Why do you wear birkenstocks? They

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Speaker 3: wear normal shoes. You start taking back.

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Speaker 1: I would bring my own shoes. I don't know how

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Speaker 1: far do we have to go in this? Are you

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Speaker 1: gonna wear their underpants too? It's the matter with you, you

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Speaker 1: bring your own stuff. You just stay in there. Pad

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Speaker 1: Ah boy, I would be freaked out by that. I

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Speaker 1: love that idea. But anyway, so I don't know what

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Speaker 1: do y'all think. I mean, there are obviously, you know,

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Speaker 1: like your hardcore political activists are just liars. They're cynical liars.

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Speaker 1: They know perfectly well the difference between what Brock and

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Speaker 1: Hillary were saying in twenty ten, twenty fifteen, whatever, and

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Speaker 1: what they're saying now. They just don't care. Their cynics.

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Speaker 1: But your average you know, left voter, not like center

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Speaker 1: left Iowa farmer always votes Democratic, you're left voter. Do

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Speaker 1: they have any awareness of how much their own position

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Speaker 1: has changed? Or are they just so governed by feelings.

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Speaker 1: They don't know. I honestly don't know the answer to

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Speaker 1: that question.

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Speaker 3: Do you think I think so. But do you think

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Speaker 3: Barack Obama believed that at the time.

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Speaker 1: I think he did. I think he did too. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: one hundred percent.

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Speaker 3: Well, because it's right for one thing, it's just one

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Speaker 1: Right right. I think he was holding out hope that

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Speaker 1: Congress could come together and come up with an immigration

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Speaker 1: plan that would get a few of his his wish

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Speaker 1: list passed.

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Speaker 3: So I did hear two more things on immigration. I

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Speaker 3: heard somebody say, and this might be true, that Trump

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Speaker 3: wanted such a big, splashy, chaotic, ugly we ain't putting

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Speaker 3: up with this anymore, that it completely maybe for a generation,

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Speaker 3: sends a message to the world don't come. Not just

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Speaker 3: Kamala and Biden saying don't while rolling out the red

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Speaker 3: carpet and promising free healthcare, but like don't, as in,

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Speaker 3: we're going to drag you out of your house. And

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Speaker 3: it probably will work. And that's probably what's actually going

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Speaker 3: to happen. It'll be a long time before you have

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Speaker 3: what do they call those caravans headed toward the border,

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Speaker 3: thinking they can come in and just enjoy, you know,

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Speaker 3: being in the United States setting up shop. I think

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Speaker 3: it'll be a long time before that happens, probably what

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Speaker 3: further than Trump wanted and it's turned in to blowback

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Speaker 3: and all that.

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Speaker 1: But but what if, like I don't know, something crazy happens,

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Speaker 1: then the Democrats just win the White House with big

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Speaker 1: numbers and it's a lefty lefty not a Rama manual,

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Speaker 1: but a Gavin Newsom. You don't think those borders will

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Speaker 1: be opened immediately and we're going to filter out quickly.

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Speaker 3: I don't know, certainly might happen. And then one other

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Speaker 3: thing on this and then we can move on because

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Speaker 3: there's some other thing I want to bring.

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Speaker 1: Up, which, by the way, is why you don't do

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Speaker 1: stupid stuff so you don't lose.

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Speaker 3: Was that election, and well it's also a reason why

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Speaker 3: you pass legislation. Of course, there is legislation around illegal immigration,

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Speaker 3: just lots of people don't want to follow it. But

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Speaker 3: it's a lot harder to change laws than it is

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Speaker 3: you know, executive orders and enforcement of laws by presidencies,

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Speaker 3: so it doesn't swing back and forth so fast. The

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Speaker 3: other thing is I heard Brian kill Mead say this

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Speaker 3: on Fox and Friends this morning. I haven't heard this

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Speaker 3: anywhere else. So the Democrats are saying they're not going

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Speaker 3: to vote for the next bill that funds the government

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Speaker 3: unless you pull the DHS money out of it. You

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Speaker 1: We'll vote on that separately, I guess.

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Speaker 4: And.

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Speaker 3: Republicans are saying no, so, and you need sixty votes

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Speaker 3: to pass the legislation, so Democrats could actually hold it

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Speaker 3: up on that kill. Mead's theory was that big long

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Speaker 3: government shut down that had no effect on me, but

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Speaker 3: I guess it did on some of you. The longest

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Speaker 3: shutdown we've ever had recently had an actual measurable effect

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Speaker 3: on the economy. The government is so freaking big, and

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Speaker 3: it lasts long enough. It's the only like real blip

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Speaker 3: we've had in economic growth in a while. And he

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Speaker 3: thinks they want another shut down. With another blip in

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Speaker 3: shut the government down, and this is a great excuse

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Speaker 1: They could blame the tariffs, which honestly I'm still against.

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Speaker 1: I don't think they're good for the economy, but uh wow, wow, wow,

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Speaker 1: that would be really really cynical, which means it's probably likely.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, Chuck Schumer says, hey man, we got the win

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Speaker 3: Something I wanted to get on before we go off

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Speaker 3: there in Los Angeles today because a trial began in

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Speaker 3: LA today what could be probably will be a landmark

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Speaker 3: trial against social media companies. They're getting into jury selection process.

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Speaker 3: What's it all about? We can explain that coming up. Landmark,

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Speaker 3: bell Weather some of the words being used to describe

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Speaker 3: the social media trial that is beginning today in Los Angeles.

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Speaker 3: Jury selection has begun already, the key being here there

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Speaker 3: is a jury. Jury's off an award crazy amounts of money,

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Speaker 3: even if it doesn't make sense. See the whole roundup

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Speaker 3: weed killer roundup causes lymphoma, but the guy in San

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Speaker 3: Francisco won like ninety million dollars from them, even because

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Speaker 3: a jury thought, well, it sure sounds like it could

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Speaker 3: have for some thing you.

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Speaker 1: Never got cancer. Yeah, they can afford it.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly, they can afford it is always the thing

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Speaker 3: with jury's But and I don't know what side of

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Speaker 3: this I'm on depends on which little part of it

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Speaker 3: you're talking about. So what's going on here a Los

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Speaker 3: Angeles County Superior Court Today? Major tech platforms are being

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Speaker 3: sued over youth addiction and mental health arms with the

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Speaker 3: idea that they purposefully created uh, Instagram, TikTok, YouTube, and

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Speaker 3: Snapchat to be addictive. They obviously did, But to me,

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Speaker 3: whether or not that's illegal is a different question, which

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Speaker 3: we can get into a little bit. So your defendants

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Speaker 3: are meta, Instagram, Bite, Dance, TikTok, Google, YouTube, Like Zuckerberg's

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Speaker 3: going to be on the stand, I mean, like the

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Speaker 3: really heavyweights are going to be on the stand in

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Speaker 3: this trial. Snapchat was involved, which has been a bad

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Speaker 3: thing in my family just in recent weeks. But they

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Speaker 3: settled out of court like this morning some sort of,

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Speaker 3: so they are off the hook for now. They settled

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Speaker 3: separately before the start of the trial today. Who knows

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Speaker 3: how many gazillions of dollars they forked over to stay

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Speaker 3: out of.

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Speaker 1: This, too bad, because I'd like to see some good, solid,

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Speaker 1: you know, precedents set. It includes.

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Speaker 3: The plaintiffs include a nineteen year old identified as KGM,

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Speaker 3: representing families claiming the platforms are intentionally designed to be

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Speaker 3: addictive and harmful to children's mental health. Well, addictive, obviously harmful.

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Speaker 3: That then that's got to be proven, I guess. But man,

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Speaker 3: I'll bet a jury buys it.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, but how do you prove what's addictive and what's

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Speaker 1: just so much darn fun? This is addictive? Well? Right?

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Speaker 3: Or is it a crime to make something addictives a

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Speaker 3: loaded term, but just something you really really like that

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Speaker 3: you're gonna do a whole bunch of times?

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Speaker 1: Is that a crime? I mean, I'm thinking about the

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Speaker 1: game of baseball? Was that for me? Well right? Right?

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Speaker 3: Or playing the piano, or as food or all kinds

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Speaker 3: of different things that I really like and do too

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Speaker 3: much sometimes? And chocolate cake? Is that a design to

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Speaker 3: be addictive? And now social media is evil? Evil for kids,

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Speaker 3: especially evil, full on evil? But how do you nail them? Yeah?

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Speaker 3: This could influence how social media platforms are regulated and

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Speaker 3: change challenge legal protections going forward. For all companies all

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Speaker 3: around the world, no doubt about that. The lawsuit claims

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Speaker 3: companies built features like like look at these individually infinite scroll.

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Speaker 3: How could that be a crime? You made it easier

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Speaker 3: for me to scroll through this stuff? Does it make

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Speaker 3: it more likely I spend too much time on here? Yes,

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Speaker 3: but you just made a product I like easier to use.

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Speaker 3: How could that be a crime.

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Speaker 1: Yeah? I hate these people, but you got to steal

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Speaker 1: a man in the arguments, you know what I mean.

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Speaker 1: I mean, it's like if the golf store were to say,

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Speaker 1: excuse me, excuse me, uh, mister gatty, I'm going to

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Speaker 1: have to ask you to stop buying golf. You've spent

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Speaker 1: enough now. It's just unlikely they would do that.

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Speaker 3: Are the fact that they put the new drivers right

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Speaker 3: by the front door because that's what they know most

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Speaker 3: people are interested in. Is that illegal?

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Speaker 1: I don't, I don't.

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Speaker 3: I don't. I don't know where they're gonna go with

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Speaker 3: this infinite scroll auto play Again, I don't see why

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Speaker 3: that's a crime.

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Speaker 1: You just okay.

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Speaker 3: Notifications recommendation algorithms specifically designed to keep young users engaged.

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Speaker 1: That's your job as a business. That's that's Our job.

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Speaker 3: Our job, every single day for four hours, is to

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Speaker 3: try to keep you engaged the entire time. I hate

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Speaker 3: these social media companies too, but I mean, these are

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Speaker 3: some really squishy things.

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Speaker 1: We need an algorithm, Michael, come up with one.

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Speaker 3: Now, whether or not they knew they were contributed to anxiety, depression,

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Speaker 3: eating disorders and other harms, and like, you know, let's

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Speaker 3: develop AutoPlay. This will make them super depressed, but it'll

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Speaker 3: make us more money.

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Speaker 1: I don't know.

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Speaker 3: And it's again, it's a jury trial. All they got

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Speaker 3: to do is make the jury think. I'll bet they did. Besides,

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Speaker 3: who's richer than Google? Nine billion dollars?

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Speaker 1: I need to ask an actual attorney about this. But

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Speaker 1: if you are selling something and you are aware of

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Speaker 1: the harms that is causing, and you do so anyway, okay,

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Speaker 1: where's the liability?

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Speaker 3: I'll use an example of Tucker Carlson or maybe even

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Speaker 3: just MSNBC or Fox News. You know, you're whipping people

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Speaker 3: up and probably making them more afraid, and you're and

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Speaker 3: the whole design is to keep them tuned in. Have

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Speaker 3: you crossed some sort of line? And you know, billions

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Speaker 3: of dollars to people who are more anxious now than

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Speaker 3: they were before they watched the news.

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Speaker 1: This stuff is all pretty squishy. I see your point,

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Speaker 1: and I would love to come up with a way

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Speaker 1: to rain these these people in there. They're satan, They're

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Speaker 1: the devil. But it's tough. Well, I can't wait to

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Speaker 1: follow this story.

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Speaker 3: As a guy who the reason I followed the roundup

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Speaker 3: lymphoma thing closely was I got and like waited and

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Speaker 3: round up for many, many years working on farms and

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Speaker 3: that sort of stuff. But there still has been no

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Speaker 3: solid link yet. A jury has ordered a gazillions of

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Speaker 3: dollars be paid out people. I think it's not gonna

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Speaker 3: be hard to convince a jury, especially with the kind

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Speaker 3: of money Google's got, Zuckerberg's got. I think there's gonna

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Speaker 3: be big payouts. It's gonna be interesting to watch. If

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