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Speaker 1: Radio Radio Radio's a Myth and Bullshit, a radiophonic novella

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Speaker 1: Local Radio hosted by Malamla Loca Morris. Welcome back to

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Speaker 1: local radio. Welcome back, Welcome back. This is Mala and

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Speaker 1: this is the Sam look I thought. A Radio is

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Speaker 1: a radiophonic novella archiving the brilliance and legacies of women

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Speaker 1: and fems of color. We are last Mommies of myth

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Speaker 1: and Bullshit Las Radio radiophonic novela, which is just a

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Speaker 1: really extra way of saying a podcast. Thank you so

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Speaker 1: much for tuning in to We're so excited to be

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Speaker 1: recording again. We're always excited to record. Wait, Saturday is

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Speaker 1: just always a beautiful day. You know we're gonna record

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Speaker 1: where the outfits are cute, cut guests. We have a

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Speaker 1: cute guest today. Very cute guests are really cute guests.

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Speaker 1: Is very cute. We record out of Oil Heights. Is

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Speaker 1: super cute. Don't come gentrify it, but shout out b H, yes,

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Speaker 1: shout up b H. Admire it from a distance, do

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Speaker 1: not move in exactly. And you know, as folks who

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Speaker 1: we ourselves are not from Oil Heights, we like to

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Speaker 1: be respectful Yeah, we come, we record, we love the community.

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Speaker 1: We do what we can, try to put our money

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Speaker 1: here when we're here, by like, you know, patron ng

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Speaker 1: the local businesses. Yes, patriots stronizing whatever. We like to

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Speaker 1: throw our money in the streets of Oil High, Yes,

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Speaker 1: and then go home exactly, exactly to our own community.

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Speaker 1: What is What are languages today? I'm so confused. Language

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Speaker 1: is a social construct. It really is. Just like sometimes

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Speaker 1: my brain wants to speak in Spanish, but I'm speaking English,

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Speaker 1: and then vice versa, and I get very confused and

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Speaker 1: stressed out. Sometimes that's for all. Sometimes my brain wants

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Speaker 1: to speak Spanish, but I can. You can? You actually can?

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Speaker 1: Is a thing? The thing is my Spanish is really

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Speaker 1: pretty good. Like it's not, it's pretty good, Mama, Like

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Speaker 1: this bacha thing is a front. Okay, this is a

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Speaker 1: fake persona she call hes a. But then I see

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Speaker 1: her have a full on conversation with my dad and

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Speaker 1: I'm like, okay, I can communicate, but everybody can tell

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Speaker 1: you know what I mean. It's fine, it's all good.

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Speaker 1: Let me you're actually a poach and it's okay. I'm

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Speaker 1: not going to take that identity from you, but I

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Speaker 1: do want to say that your Spanish is really good. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: and I know that like folks that like, you know, um,

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Speaker 1: maybe Spanish wasn't their first language, or maybe they feel

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Speaker 1: that's like it's almost like the self fulfilling part because

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Speaker 1: then you don't speak it, so then it doesn't get

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Speaker 1: better because it really is a muscle memory like practice.

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Speaker 1: But then you're nervous, so then you don't practice, and

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Speaker 1: then it's just a cycle endings I call yeah, so

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Speaker 1: yeah who anyway and tee who. So we're back. We're

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Speaker 1: It's a different kind of crowdfunding. I think that we

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Speaker 1: and we're like, what the fund is shadow banning? So

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Speaker 1: the aside doesn't search for like a definition what a

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Speaker 1: shadow banning? Let me pull that up. Um. Well, also,

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Speaker 1: you know, it became kind of apparent what was going

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Speaker 1: on because yesterday as well, I saw Joanna from the

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Speaker 1: Unapologetically Brown Girl or unapologically Street series. She um shared

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Speaker 1: something about that, and it says creatives don't let algorithms

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Speaker 1: discourage you from creating and sharing your purpose, your work.

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Speaker 1: Your reach is bigger than Instagram. It's in the folks

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Speaker 1: you've touched and the incredible gift within you that continues

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Speaker 1: to grow and deserves to be made. Absolutely and and

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Speaker 1: then the caption is Instagram is playing everybody's shadow, banning accounts,

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Speaker 1: deleting accounts, specifically POC centered accounts. Right. So this is

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Speaker 1: a thing, right because multiple people are noticing um listener

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Speaker 1: like d m s s to tell us about it.

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Speaker 1: I've had other friends tell me I didn't even know

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Speaker 1: this event was going on. I haven't seen your stuff

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Speaker 1: in my timeline at all. So it says Instagram shadow

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Speaker 1: band is a band that renders your hashtags undiscoverable by

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Speaker 1: the vibrant users. Only your followers will be able to

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Speaker 1: see your feed, and not the entire Instagram community. It's

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Speaker 1: easy to know if you've been shadow band. Search your

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Speaker 1: post under the tags and see if they appear. So

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Speaker 1: I did that. I went and I searched hashtag. Look

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Speaker 1: at our radio our hashtag? So I go to search

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Speaker 1: it and I see that the top posts, but the

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Speaker 1: top post under the hashtag we're not from the look

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Speaker 1: at the account, like the first three interesting our post

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Speaker 1: that like Julisa's when she posted our flyer, hers was

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Speaker 1: the first one that came wow, and she has a

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Speaker 1: big account and that yeah, and even though like that

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Speaker 1: flyer was posted a while ago. Now this week when

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Speaker 1: I checked, hers was the first and I had a

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Speaker 1: recent post. My most recent post is from Cat Dahlia's

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Speaker 1: interview and I had hashtag look at the radio. So

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Speaker 1: I checked the hashtag look at our radio. My post

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Speaker 1: is not up there. Interesting, So I'm like, yeah, a

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Speaker 1: bitch has been shadow bands and like, I don't know

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Speaker 1: how it happens or what how do you get swept

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Speaker 1: up in it? Into it? All this to say, if

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Speaker 1: you're creating, if you're using Instagram, don't keep all your

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Speaker 1: ship on there by yourself a website started Google slides like,

468
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Speaker 1: start to archive your stuff elsewhere and let people know

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Speaker 1: where else they can find you. We're really lucky because

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Speaker 1: we do have like we have Apple podcasts. We have

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Speaker 1: to you a boom like our content. The actual podcast

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Speaker 1: is not located on Instagram. It's just where we share

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Speaker 1: about the podcast and we've cultivated community there. So you know,

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Speaker 1: just thinking about your own work like, how can you

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Speaker 1: decentralize it from I definitely necessary? Alrighty, So we're going

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Speaker 1: to move into a quick shout out from our sponsors.

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Speaker 1: we are going to move into a song break. We

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Speaker 1: want to introduce our guest, our interview guys before we

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Speaker 1: get into our song break, because we do have a

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Speaker 1: really exciting author with us today. Yes, so we have

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Speaker 1: the author Callie Fajardo and Steen, and she is from Denver, Colorado.

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Speaker 1: Her fiction has appeared in the American Scholar, Boston Review,

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Speaker 1: Bellevue Literary Review, the Idaho Review, Southwestern American Literature, and elsewhere.

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Speaker 1: She is going to be talking about her new book,

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Speaker 1: Sabrina and Corina. So Callie's magnetic story collection breathes life

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Speaker 1: into her indigenous Latina characters and the land they inhabit,

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Speaker 1: set against the remarkable backdrop of Denver, Colorado, a place

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Speaker 1: that is as fierce as it is exquisite. These women

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Speaker 1: navigate the land the way they navigate their lives, with caution, grace,

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Speaker 1: and quiet force. So we're gonna bring Kali on or

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Speaker 1: Casa bell Ros and and and and and and and

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Speaker 1: and and and and and um um um um um

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Speaker 1: um um um of it and all right, and we

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Speaker 1: are back. We are so excited to be welcoming Gali

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Speaker 1: into the studio today. Hi hi, hi, thank you for

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Speaker 1: joining us. Can you please just give our listeners a

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Speaker 1: quick intro For those of our listeners who maybe are

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Speaker 1: new to your work. Awesome, Yeah, I'd love to. Um. So,

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Speaker 1: my name is Collie Fajardo Anstein and I'm from Denver, Colorado.

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Speaker 1: I am the author of the debut short story collection

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Speaker 1: Sabrina and Corina, that was just published in April from

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Speaker 1: One World Penguin Random House. UM. I have been writing

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Speaker 1: stories since I was a child. I've always wanted to

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Speaker 1: be a writer, and um yeah, I'm just so excited

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Speaker 1: to have my first book in the world. And I

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Speaker 1: also have a novel that will be published student from

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Speaker 1: One World, Um probably the next year or two. That

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Speaker 1: is amazing. I am a big fan of your work.

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Speaker 1: Recently finished Sabrina and Corina and just immediately fell in love.

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Speaker 1: And you're actually here today for a book side naing

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Speaker 1: correct and a reading. Yeah, I'm so excited. So it's

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Speaker 1: kind of funny. Um. Back in like I don't know,

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Speaker 1: I was like fifteen or sixteen years old, I had

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Speaker 1: a friend on my Space that now is my friend

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Speaker 1: on Instagram that's like followed me throughout my my social

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Speaker 1: media life. But he was like, you have to get

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Speaker 1: into this place called Espasio. So I started like looking

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Speaker 1: into Espasio a long time ago. So it's just sort

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Speaker 1: of like coincidental and blissful that I get to be

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Speaker 1: here and give a reading today. I'm really excited. I

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Speaker 1: love that, and I love how full circle that is

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Speaker 1: because we talk about our social media usage all the

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Speaker 1: time and like meeting each other on Instagram and meeting

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Speaker 1: other creatives online and how like it just brings great

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Speaker 1: minds together. I love that. Yeah. Yeah, And Yosima is

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Speaker 1: actually the one that organized all of this, correct, is

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Speaker 1: that your friend or is that just no? I used

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Speaker 1: my friend now the internet of course, So so two

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Speaker 1: people really like kind of orchestrated, yes in a way, right. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: And a lot of what I've seen Sabrina and Karna

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Speaker 1: being posted online and things, it's just a lot of

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Speaker 1: the push behind this book has come from the bottom

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Speaker 1: up instead of like coming from huge media outlets telling

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Speaker 1: people what to like. I'm seeing it on social media

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Speaker 1: and I think that's where that's where it lives, and

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Speaker 1: that's where I'm happy to live to. I mean, we

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Speaker 1: can definitely relate to that to like the community really

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Speaker 1: pushing you and pushing your work forward, and um, a

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Speaker 1: lot of stuff for a lot of our art, a

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Speaker 1: lot of our work is shared via word of mouth,

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Speaker 1: So even the post is somewhat like a digital word

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Speaker 1: of mouth, right, people sharing it, posting it, and then

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Speaker 1: other people looking into it, following it, loving it, sharing

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Speaker 1: it again. That Yeah, Yeah, I'm really interested in hearing

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Speaker 1: more from you about like the role that that sort

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Speaker 1: of model you described, pushing from the bottom, how that

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Speaker 1: role in mash with social media and the internet has

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Speaker 1: gotten you to where you are today in the process. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: so it's kind of interesting. So in the literary world,

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Speaker 1: I haven't had like the big publications like The New

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Speaker 1: York or The Atlantic. I've had really good publications, but

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Speaker 1: I haven't had like the giant magazines. And a lot

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Speaker 1: of the time the hype will come from New York

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Speaker 1: City as the center and then trickled down from there um.

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Speaker 1: And there were times when I was like super depressed

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Speaker 1: over this, like I have to quit writing. I can't

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Speaker 1: get into these magazines, I can't get into this space.

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Speaker 1: But what's ended up happening is I was able to

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Speaker 1: get into on Random House, which is, you know, obviously

576
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Speaker 1: like one of the biggest publishers in the world. I

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Speaker 1: think it is the biggest publisher in the world. Thank you,

578
00:32:31,320 --> 00:32:33,480
Speaker 1: and that was like this huge moment in my life,

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Speaker 1: and I think that distribution and having all those eyes

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Speaker 1: on my book really helped. But then I needed to

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Speaker 1: still have that grassroots push because I still wasn't getting

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Speaker 1: in these big, big magazines and these big outlets. So

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Speaker 1: there were times when I was like, the book had

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Speaker 1: just come out, I wasn't seeing a lot of I

585
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Speaker 1: wasn't seeing any national coverage. But what ended up happening

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Speaker 1: are you know, big social media influencers like the Locals

587
00:32:59,400 --> 00:33:03,920
Speaker 1: podcast us, and they started pushing my book and posting

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Speaker 1: out on stories. And then from that, you know, Latina

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00:33:06,960 --> 00:33:09,040
Speaker 1: actresses were starting to push my book and post it

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Speaker 1: and from there I was just seeing sort of spontaneous

591
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Speaker 1: wildfire of like, we love this book, We're going to

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Speaker 1: take this book under our wings, and no one told

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00:33:17,880 --> 00:33:21,760
Speaker 1: us to like it. We like it ourselves. Before we

594
00:33:21,800 --> 00:33:24,960
Speaker 1: started recording, UM, we kind of started having a conversation

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Speaker 1: about journalists and newsrooms and if there are no people

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Speaker 1: of color in the newsroom, no women of color in particular,

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Speaker 1: are projects by women of color going to be covered.

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Speaker 1: So it just seems like what you just shared, how

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Speaker 1: many Latinas are at the New Yorker writing stories about

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Speaker 1: Latina authors. Yeah, we we don't know. I don't I

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Speaker 1: don't know. I don't think it's very many. But I

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Speaker 1: will tell you something that's interesting that happened. So I

603
00:33:50,320 --> 00:33:53,760
Speaker 1: was profiled on Bustle and that was my biggest at

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Speaker 1: the time that happened. That was like my biggest coverage.

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Speaker 1: It was a Latina editor who found it and pushed it.

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Speaker 1: And what about for the New York Times because I

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Speaker 1: know you were featured? Was that also a Latina writer?

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Speaker 1: She was a woman of color. Yeah, she was a

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Speaker 1: woman of color. And one thing I did know about

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Speaker 1: the review, which I'm very happy with it. Um, it's

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Speaker 1: one percent of books ever published again in New York Times,

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Speaker 1: So I am very stoked in that one. But she

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Speaker 1: did not mention that my characters are Latina's and I

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Speaker 1: thought that was very interesting. Um. So I'm in these pages,

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Speaker 1: but I'm still like, we don't know what this is,

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Speaker 1: you know, interesting. So basically our hypothesis is just proven correct,

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Speaker 1: yeah continuously. Um. So you know, you have your debut novel,

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Speaker 1: your I mean your debut short stories, um, and I

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Speaker 1: like am so enamored with the book, with all of

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Speaker 1: the short stories because you really just you're writing about women,

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Speaker 1: and you're writing about their stories and what, of course

622
00:34:51,920 --> 00:34:55,600
Speaker 1: what they go through, and there's almost this underlying tone

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Speaker 1: of violence against women, but how it's just so normalized

624
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Speaker 1: and you know, be because we're a survivor podcast, we

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00:35:01,640 --> 00:35:04,160
Speaker 1: are a fem centered podcast. I wanted to discuss that

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Speaker 1: and what that process was like for you writing about

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Speaker 1: these women, writing about these stories, but also, um, still

628
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Speaker 1: having some sense of power and being empowered through it. Yeah, definitely.

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Speaker 1: So that's one of the questions I get a lot,

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Speaker 1: And you know, the truthful answer is I had to

631
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Speaker 1: write about what I knew, and I grew up watching

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Speaker 1: a lot of violence. I grew up steeped in generations

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Speaker 1: of violence, hearing stories that I didn't really understand why

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Speaker 1: I was being told those stories, And later I thought, Okay,

635
00:35:34,160 --> 00:35:36,440
Speaker 1: maybe this is some instructions for my own life or

636
00:35:36,480 --> 00:35:40,160
Speaker 1: a warning or that kind of thing. Um. But being

637
00:35:40,280 --> 00:35:43,959
Speaker 1: around violence makes you feel very isolated and lonely because

638
00:35:43,960 --> 00:35:46,200
Speaker 1: you're not able to always go and share with somebody,

639
00:35:46,600 --> 00:35:49,480
Speaker 1: especially when you're taught don't tell anybody what's happening, don't

640
00:35:49,520 --> 00:35:52,760
Speaker 1: talk about this. UM. So I think in some ways,

641
00:35:53,120 --> 00:35:57,040
Speaker 1: writing Sabrina and Karina in a story like Sabrina and Krena,

642
00:35:57,160 --> 00:35:59,800
Speaker 1: for example. You know, there was a woman in my

643
00:36:00,120 --> 00:36:02,560
Speaker 1: my community who had been killed when she was fifteen

644
00:36:02,640 --> 00:36:04,440
Speaker 1: years old, and I remember being a little girl going

645
00:36:04,520 --> 00:36:08,200
Speaker 1: to her funeral and just not having anywhere to put

646
00:36:08,360 --> 00:36:11,680
Speaker 1: that pain like what. I couldn't talk to my family

647
00:36:11,719 --> 00:36:13,520
Speaker 1: about it. It was just something I had to accept.

648
00:36:13,840 --> 00:36:16,279
Speaker 1: So I think in some ways, writing this book and

649
00:36:16,440 --> 00:36:18,520
Speaker 1: talking about a lot of the violence that I have

650
00:36:18,600 --> 00:36:20,719
Speaker 1: witnessed in my own life and that people have told

651
00:36:20,800 --> 00:36:23,640
Speaker 1: me that they have they have come from it, healed

652
00:36:23,760 --> 00:36:26,040
Speaker 1: me in some ways, and I'm hoping by being able

653
00:36:26,080 --> 00:36:29,040
Speaker 1: to share these stories, it's creating healing out in the world,

654
00:36:29,560 --> 00:36:32,719
Speaker 1: um larger than just me. And some of the you know,

655
00:36:32,800 --> 00:36:34,560
Speaker 1: some of the comments I've gotten is this book is

656
00:36:34,600 --> 00:36:37,400
Speaker 1: too sad, or why are you focusing on all this violence?

657
00:36:38,040 --> 00:36:41,839
Speaker 1: And you know, the basic answer that I can give

658
00:36:42,000 --> 00:36:44,680
Speaker 1: is that I have to make what I have the

659
00:36:44,760 --> 00:36:48,080
Speaker 1: compulsion and the obsession to make, and it comes out

660
00:36:48,160 --> 00:36:50,960
Speaker 1: of a deep place, and it comes from generations of pain,

661
00:36:51,160 --> 00:36:53,279
Speaker 1: and this is all I you know, Hopefully my work

662
00:36:53,320 --> 00:36:55,799
Speaker 1: will start to take on different tones as I grow

663
00:36:55,840 --> 00:36:57,920
Speaker 1: as an artist. But this is the first one, and

664
00:36:58,000 --> 00:36:59,399
Speaker 1: this is what I have to share with the world.

665
00:37:00,200 --> 00:37:03,719
Speaker 1: Love it. I mean, I wonder too, um because it

666
00:37:03,800 --> 00:37:06,120
Speaker 1: sounds like the writing is so personal and it's come

667
00:37:06,280 --> 00:37:09,200
Speaker 1: from like sourced over the years. If there were any

668
00:37:09,280 --> 00:37:12,839
Speaker 1: family or community members who like had difficulties with these

669
00:37:12,880 --> 00:37:16,279
Speaker 1: stories being shared on such a large scale. Yeah, So

670
00:37:16,440 --> 00:37:19,000
Speaker 1: I think it's kind of interesting. Because I write fiction,

671
00:37:19,719 --> 00:37:22,680
Speaker 1: I'm able to have this mask over what's happening. And

672
00:37:23,360 --> 00:37:25,560
Speaker 1: I actually like one of my cute little stories of

673
00:37:25,640 --> 00:37:28,040
Speaker 1: growing up is I I kept a diary for years

674
00:37:28,080 --> 00:37:30,480
Speaker 1: and years and my mom found it and I was

675
00:37:30,560 --> 00:37:32,839
Speaker 1: talking about like wanting to kill myself because the boy

676
00:37:32,920 --> 00:37:36,239
Speaker 1: didn't like me, and just like emotions to me that

677
00:37:36,320 --> 00:37:40,040
Speaker 1: were normal, and she was so upset, like she was like,

678
00:37:40,080 --> 00:37:42,040
Speaker 1: we're gonna have to put you in therapy all these things.

679
00:37:42,120 --> 00:37:43,640
Speaker 1: And I thought, Oh, if I'm going to get in

680
00:37:43,719 --> 00:37:46,200
Speaker 1: trouble for talking about these real emotions, I'm going to

681
00:37:46,280 --> 00:37:49,880
Speaker 1: start lying. And that's when I started writing fiction. Um. So,

682
00:37:50,040 --> 00:37:52,640
Speaker 1: I think in some ways people aren't able to see

683
00:37:52,920 --> 00:37:55,839
Speaker 1: where I'm pulling from. So a lot of my work

684
00:37:56,000 --> 00:37:59,879
Speaker 1: their composites of my own life organized in a way

685
00:38:00,280 --> 00:38:03,400
Speaker 1: that serves the plot of the story. UM. So the

686
00:38:03,560 --> 00:38:06,480
Speaker 1: story Sisters that set in the nineteen fifties, um where

687
00:38:06,840 --> 00:38:09,719
Speaker 1: a character is brutally attacked, that is based on one

688
00:38:09,760 --> 00:38:12,239
Speaker 1: of my ancestors. That was based on my antidote. She

689
00:38:12,360 --> 00:38:14,320
Speaker 1: died before I was born. I never met her, but

690
00:38:14,440 --> 00:38:16,759
Speaker 1: I felt hurt. I could feel her spirit, I could

691
00:38:16,760 --> 00:38:20,040
Speaker 1: feel her talking through me. But I moved the story around.

692
00:38:20,080 --> 00:38:22,640
Speaker 1: I moved the plot around, and in that way, I

693
00:38:22,719 --> 00:38:25,520
Speaker 1: think I'm honoring her by sharing this violent act that

694
00:38:25,600 --> 00:38:28,680
Speaker 1: happened to her. But I'm also, you know, not revealing

695
00:38:28,719 --> 00:38:30,520
Speaker 1: things that I don't even know about. You know, I

696
00:38:30,640 --> 00:38:34,120
Speaker 1: have to be able to create art um from all

697
00:38:34,200 --> 00:38:39,719
Speaker 1: these different, these different facets in a way. Yeah, you know.

698
00:38:39,840 --> 00:38:42,880
Speaker 1: And I think hearing you talk, what I'm hearing is

699
00:38:44,120 --> 00:38:47,400
Speaker 1: healing the ancestral trauma through the artwork, which I think

700
00:38:47,520 --> 00:38:49,799
Speaker 1: is kind of the mood of all artists right now,

701
00:38:49,800 --> 00:38:52,000
Speaker 1: at least artists of color. Right That's definitely I feel

702
00:38:52,040 --> 00:38:55,120
Speaker 1: a conversation that's being had is how can we collectively

703
00:38:55,280 --> 00:38:58,480
Speaker 1: heal all of this ancestral trauma through our art, through

704
00:38:58,480 --> 00:39:03,520
Speaker 1: our poetry, through whatever means. You know. Yeah, It's something

705
00:39:03,560 --> 00:39:05,600
Speaker 1: I didn't even know I had, you know, like it

706
00:39:05,719 --> 00:39:07,239
Speaker 1: wasn't like I was like eight years old and I

707
00:39:07,320 --> 00:39:09,440
Speaker 1: was like, oh, here's the story about anti Toti being

708
00:39:09,440 --> 00:39:12,480
Speaker 1: blinded again, that concestral trauma. I did not know what

709
00:39:12,600 --> 00:39:15,000
Speaker 1: that was. It was just some sort of story my

710
00:39:15,080 --> 00:39:17,239
Speaker 1: auntie would launch into every once in a while. And

711
00:39:17,360 --> 00:39:19,600
Speaker 1: my mom has these, you know, these stories of violence

712
00:39:19,640 --> 00:39:21,080
Speaker 1: as she went through that she would just launch into.

713
00:39:21,120 --> 00:39:23,000
Speaker 1: And I didn't know what PTSD was, you know, I

714
00:39:23,040 --> 00:39:26,000
Speaker 1: didn't have the vocabulary for it. Yeah, And I think

715
00:39:26,080 --> 00:39:29,439
Speaker 1: that that's like similar, Um, like in our families, where

716
00:39:29,680 --> 00:39:32,040
Speaker 1: are the women? And our families will tell these really

717
00:39:32,200 --> 00:39:34,400
Speaker 1: share these really intense stories and then move on to

718
00:39:34,520 --> 00:39:36,600
Speaker 1: something else, as if it's not intense, you said, if

719
00:39:36,760 --> 00:39:40,319
Speaker 1: you weren't just like going through something hearing that story. Um,

720
00:39:40,600 --> 00:39:43,080
Speaker 1: And yeah, I mean there's definitely something there. There's something

721
00:39:43,160 --> 00:39:47,680
Speaker 1: too at to that. Yeah. I think. Um. I consider

722
00:39:48,000 --> 00:39:51,560
Speaker 1: like the violence against women that especially women of color

723
00:39:51,600 --> 00:39:56,680
Speaker 1: experience generationally, that we almost um come to look at

724
00:39:56,719 --> 00:39:58,640
Speaker 1: it as very normal and like, well, these are just

725
00:39:58,760 --> 00:40:01,440
Speaker 1: the social dynamics that we live with. And I think

726
00:40:01,480 --> 00:40:03,840
Speaker 1: it takes a lot to actually stand in it and

727
00:40:04,000 --> 00:40:06,879
Speaker 1: say not actually this is sucked up, Like, let's talk

728
00:40:06,920 --> 00:40:10,919
Speaker 1: about it in specific terms. Let's call it violence, let's

729
00:40:10,960 --> 00:40:13,080
Speaker 1: call it aggression, and let's call it abuse, like, let's

730
00:40:13,200 --> 00:40:15,720
Speaker 1: name it for what it is, right, Like, my grandmother

731
00:40:15,800 --> 00:40:18,279
Speaker 1: will just be passing under her breath, Like there's a

732
00:40:18,360 --> 00:40:21,440
Speaker 1: story that she'll share randomly, and it's not when she

733
00:40:21,640 --> 00:40:24,880
Speaker 1: tells it, it doesn't seem traumatizing to her, but it's

734
00:40:24,920 --> 00:40:27,279
Speaker 1: about how she ended up having to pistol whips some guy.

735
00:40:27,760 --> 00:40:29,320
Speaker 1: You know, well, what was he doing? I don't know

736
00:40:29,760 --> 00:40:32,279
Speaker 1: what happened. I don't know, but it must have been bad, right,

737
00:40:32,480 --> 00:40:34,560
Speaker 1: But it's very just in passing just under her breath.

738
00:40:35,080 --> 00:40:37,799
Speaker 1: And so to take things like that and then build

739
00:40:37,840 --> 00:40:40,399
Speaker 1: the picture around it, right, And it sounds like that's

740
00:40:40,440 --> 00:40:43,120
Speaker 1: sort of what you've done with your book. Yeah, And

741
00:40:43,200 --> 00:40:45,200
Speaker 1: I love that you both were like, you know what,

742
00:40:45,280 --> 00:40:48,640
Speaker 1: I'm talking about these stories like this, and I am

743
00:40:48,680 --> 00:40:51,520
Speaker 1: also I'm fascinated with storytelling. So storytelling comes up in

744
00:40:51,600 --> 00:40:55,320
Speaker 1: every single story, the way that story moves between families,

745
00:40:55,440 --> 00:40:59,120
Speaker 1: the way that tales are distorted. Um In Sabrina and Karna,

746
00:40:59,440 --> 00:41:02,080
Speaker 1: the grandmother a character. You know, she's a pillar of strength,

747
00:41:02,160 --> 00:41:05,800
Speaker 1: but she's also pushing this um this violence in a

748
00:41:05,880 --> 00:41:07,719
Speaker 1: way by just you know, we're going to tell a

749
00:41:07,760 --> 00:41:10,600
Speaker 1: story about it. Now. You know, she they say in

750
00:41:10,680 --> 00:41:13,359
Speaker 1: that family, Sabrina didn't love herself enough and she loved

751
00:41:13,400 --> 00:41:16,080
Speaker 1: men too much. I mean, these are actual phrases I

752
00:41:16,239 --> 00:41:18,719
Speaker 1: heard people in my family say. And then they just

753
00:41:18,800 --> 00:41:21,000
Speaker 1: move on. They're like, oh, yeah, well, this is what's

754
00:41:21,040 --> 00:41:23,800
Speaker 1: on TV right now. That that's definitely like the victim

755
00:41:23,880 --> 00:41:26,000
Speaker 1: blaming narrative, right It's like, oh, she, you know, she

756
00:41:26,239 --> 00:41:29,759
Speaker 1: was a you know what else? What else did really

757
00:41:29,840 --> 00:41:34,080
Speaker 1: really see coming? You know? So, Um, I'm wondering if

758
00:41:34,160 --> 00:41:36,560
Speaker 1: you have any anything you want to share about the

759
00:41:36,680 --> 00:41:39,879
Speaker 1: journey from beginning to writing to getting it published. Because

760
00:41:39,880 --> 00:41:43,080
Speaker 1: there's a lot of Latina creatives who listened to our podcast. Um,

761
00:41:43,120 --> 00:41:44,880
Speaker 1: you know, we're an indie project. A lot of the

762
00:41:44,920 --> 00:41:48,480
Speaker 1: women in our community have like their small businesses, their poets,

763
00:41:48,520 --> 00:41:52,320
Speaker 1: they're writing, their actresses, they're performing. What would you like

764
00:41:52,440 --> 00:41:54,719
Speaker 1: to share with with folks like that who are trying

765
00:41:54,719 --> 00:41:58,000
Speaker 1: to get their work off the ground. My biggest advice

766
00:41:58,120 --> 00:42:01,200
Speaker 1: is not to give up. And the reason I say

767
00:42:01,280 --> 00:42:03,480
Speaker 1: this is because there were so many times I was

768
00:42:03,520 --> 00:42:05,400
Speaker 1: on the brink of just like, I can't do this.

769
00:42:05,560 --> 00:42:08,680
Speaker 1: I'm running out of money, nobody will publish me, I'm

770
00:42:08,760 --> 00:42:11,040
Speaker 1: being told that my my work is not good enough

771
00:42:11,080 --> 00:42:14,239
Speaker 1: for these certain kinds of magazines. And there were just

772
00:42:14,360 --> 00:42:16,719
Speaker 1: so many times that I felt like I have to

773
00:42:16,800 --> 00:42:20,200
Speaker 1: stop UM and just you know, try to find strengthen

774
00:42:20,239 --> 00:42:23,239
Speaker 1: yourself and during those times, and take solace in the

775
00:42:23,360 --> 00:42:26,640
Speaker 1: stories of those whom you admire, those artists and creatives

776
00:42:26,680 --> 00:42:30,440
Speaker 1: who have succeeded, because very few of us get there

777
00:42:30,480 --> 00:42:33,000
Speaker 1: from zero to one hundred, like we have so many

778
00:42:33,120 --> 00:42:35,960
Speaker 1: stops along the way, and then it seems like you've

779
00:42:36,000 --> 00:42:38,839
Speaker 1: gone really far um in a short amount of time,

780
00:42:39,040 --> 00:42:41,239
Speaker 1: but you can't see the trail leading up to that

781
00:42:41,360 --> 00:42:44,960
Speaker 1: and how jagged it was. UM. So one of the

782
00:42:45,080 --> 00:42:48,359
Speaker 1: stories that I've shared is that there was a time

783
00:42:48,400 --> 00:42:51,200
Speaker 1: in my life where I had dropped out of my

784
00:42:51,520 --> 00:42:53,960
Speaker 1: first m f A program, my first creative writing program.

785
00:42:54,480 --> 00:42:56,160
Speaker 1: And I'm a high school dropout, so I already had

786
00:42:56,160 --> 00:42:58,280
Speaker 1: the stigma in my family and you know, this dropout

787
00:42:58,320 --> 00:43:00,560
Speaker 1: that quits things over and over again. But the reason

788
00:43:00,600 --> 00:43:03,000
Speaker 1: why I had I had dropped out. And this is

789
00:43:03,040 --> 00:43:05,760
Speaker 1: something that I just started sharing recently because a former

790
00:43:05,800 --> 00:43:07,640
Speaker 1: student of mine said, why don't you tell the truth.

791
00:43:08,640 --> 00:43:11,160
Speaker 1: I had been attacked by a male student in my program.

792
00:43:11,320 --> 00:43:13,200
Speaker 1: I went to the administration. They said they would not

793
00:43:13,239 --> 00:43:15,799
Speaker 1: remove him from my classes. And I was like, I'm

794
00:43:15,800 --> 00:43:18,560
Speaker 1: gonna I'm gonna end my writing career here like this

795
00:43:18,760 --> 00:43:21,160
Speaker 1: is there's no space for me. I can't get any

796
00:43:21,400 --> 00:43:25,080
Speaker 1: in anywhere else. Um, So I dropped out. I went

797
00:43:25,120 --> 00:43:29,000
Speaker 1: back home to Colorado and Sandra Cisneros was reading at

798
00:43:29,040 --> 00:43:32,239
Speaker 1: my college campus. And I had been so depressed over

799
00:43:32,320 --> 00:43:34,560
Speaker 1: that decision to leave, and she was. She was up

800
00:43:34,600 --> 00:43:36,560
Speaker 1: there giving a reading, and then she stopped and she

801
00:43:36,640 --> 00:43:38,719
Speaker 1: talked about how she had been so depressed at times

802
00:43:38,760 --> 00:43:41,640
Speaker 1: in her career that she had even considered suicide. And

803
00:43:41,719 --> 00:43:44,760
Speaker 1: I thought, if she would have done that, I wouldn't

804
00:43:44,760 --> 00:43:47,759
Speaker 1: have had one of my major guiding lights. So think

805
00:43:47,800 --> 00:43:50,440
Speaker 1: about yourself is like you are a guiding light. You

806
00:43:50,560 --> 00:43:53,000
Speaker 1: just don't know it yet, and you are like revealing

807
00:43:53,080 --> 00:43:56,600
Speaker 1: the path for so many people coming behind you. Thank

808
00:43:56,640 --> 00:43:59,040
Speaker 1: you for sharing that. That's beautiful. Yeah, thank you so

809
00:43:59,160 --> 00:44:02,600
Speaker 1: much for sharing that. That's that's important because I you know,

810
00:44:02,719 --> 00:44:05,399
Speaker 1: often we see so much of the successes, we see

811
00:44:05,600 --> 00:44:09,000
Speaker 1: the amazing press coverage, the amazing reviews, like I know

812
00:44:09,080 --> 00:44:11,560
Speaker 1: sans she's on the back of your book, she like

813
00:44:11,960 --> 00:44:14,920
Speaker 1: left a review, I gave you a review. So, but

814
00:44:15,080 --> 00:44:18,719
Speaker 1: also to hold space for the really difficult times in

815
00:44:18,760 --> 00:44:23,000
Speaker 1: the creative process and throughout the careers. Right, Yeah, it's not.

816
00:44:23,760 --> 00:44:25,839
Speaker 1: I mean it's so up and down from day to day,

817
00:44:25,960 --> 00:44:29,400
Speaker 1: and then once your work is in the world, you

818
00:44:29,640 --> 00:44:31,839
Speaker 1: have to be prepared for how the public is going

819
00:44:31,920 --> 00:44:35,560
Speaker 1: to respond, which causes a whole new set of insecurities

820
00:44:35,719 --> 00:44:37,840
Speaker 1: and emotions that you didn't even know you could deal with.

821
00:44:38,280 --> 00:44:42,799
Speaker 1: So I think the path prepares you for what you're

822
00:44:42,840 --> 00:44:45,319
Speaker 1: facing when you actually make it to where you think

823
00:44:45,360 --> 00:44:47,319
Speaker 1: you need to be, and the I mean the path

824
00:44:47,440 --> 00:44:50,040
Speaker 1: is ongoing. You never truly make it. You always have

825
00:44:50,160 --> 00:44:53,880
Speaker 1: made it, but you never truly make it. Yeah. Absolutely,

826
00:44:54,239 --> 00:44:57,239
Speaker 1: that's I felt that. I'm like the whole last like

827
00:44:57,320 --> 00:44:59,600
Speaker 1: two or three minutes, I'm like, okay, I need I

828
00:44:59,680 --> 00:45:03,800
Speaker 1: need a drink. It's good though, No, yes, it's exciting,

829
00:45:03,880 --> 00:45:05,719
Speaker 1: Like there's always more work to be done, there's new

830
00:45:05,800 --> 00:45:11,040
Speaker 1: obstacles to overcome. Um, I'm curious about like things like

831
00:45:11,200 --> 00:45:15,359
Speaker 1: respectability politics, when you go from being independent and then

832
00:45:15,440 --> 00:45:17,440
Speaker 1: now like you're saying the work is out there, it

833
00:45:17,640 --> 00:45:20,000
Speaker 1: is being covered, it is being picked up people responding

834
00:45:20,040 --> 00:45:22,720
Speaker 1: to it. How have you have you failed to shift

835
00:45:22,800 --> 00:45:24,920
Speaker 1: in how you carry yourself or how you talk or

836
00:45:25,120 --> 00:45:28,080
Speaker 1: I'm really interested in that that process. This is funny.

837
00:45:28,120 --> 00:45:30,080
Speaker 1: Like an old friend of mine, he he runs a

838
00:45:30,120 --> 00:45:33,360
Speaker 1: boxing gym in Denver. He like DM me and he's like,

839
00:45:33,400 --> 00:45:35,920
Speaker 1: you always look so fine now, And I was like, okay,

840
00:45:36,360 --> 00:45:39,320
Speaker 1: I was like yeah, I was like but he I

841
00:45:39,480 --> 00:45:41,360
Speaker 1: was like, I have to go and be a public

842
00:45:41,480 --> 00:45:44,440
Speaker 1: person now, Like it's like I have to go and

843
00:45:44,560 --> 00:45:47,600
Speaker 1: dress myself up and you know, present myself. So just

844
00:45:47,800 --> 00:45:50,720
Speaker 1: like you know, that shift and knowing that I am public,

845
00:45:50,880 --> 00:45:52,480
Speaker 1: that when I give a reading there's going to be

846
00:45:52,680 --> 00:45:55,400
Speaker 1: I hope, like ten cell phones at least, like recording me,

847
00:45:55,520 --> 00:45:58,879
Speaker 1: taking photos and just having that awareness, but also being

848
00:45:58,960 --> 00:46:01,839
Speaker 1: more mindful of what I say, um and making sure

849
00:46:01,880 --> 00:46:03,919
Speaker 1: that I don't say harmful things, that I don't say

850
00:46:04,080 --> 00:46:06,319
Speaker 1: things that show some of the ignorance that I grew

851
00:46:06,440 --> 00:46:07,920
Speaker 1: up with that I have had to work hard to

852
00:46:07,960 --> 00:46:11,480
Speaker 1: get rid of, and owning a lot of my shortcomings

853
00:46:11,600 --> 00:46:14,520
Speaker 1: and just being honest about who I am and that

854
00:46:14,640 --> 00:46:17,680
Speaker 1: way I don't come across as somebody who thinks are

855
00:46:17,719 --> 00:46:20,600
Speaker 1: better than they are or arrogant anything like that. I

856
00:46:20,800 --> 00:46:23,600
Speaker 1: just I am here to help other people with my

857
00:46:23,719 --> 00:46:27,320
Speaker 1: work and knowing that and using that as my guide,

858
00:46:27,400 --> 00:46:29,400
Speaker 1: that is what That's what I'm trying to do and

859
00:46:29,560 --> 00:46:31,880
Speaker 1: put that work into the world and put that energy

860
00:46:31,960 --> 00:46:36,160
Speaker 1: into the world. That's beautiful. You have such a beautiful spirit,

861
00:46:36,320 --> 00:46:38,800
Speaker 1: just like sitting across from you, like you're just so

862
00:46:38,880 --> 00:46:42,640
Speaker 1: beautiful inside and out. Since we're talking about the d

863
00:46:42,800 --> 00:46:47,520
Speaker 1: M S, I wonder, I wonder, um, do you feel

864
00:46:47,600 --> 00:46:50,200
Speaker 1: that people from you already eve one example, like the

865
00:46:50,320 --> 00:46:52,640
Speaker 1: men from either your hometown or you grew up are

866
00:46:52,719 --> 00:46:56,160
Speaker 1: now in the d M slash our fans in the

867
00:46:56,239 --> 00:46:58,239
Speaker 1: d M S, and like, how do you navigate that?

868
00:46:59,640 --> 00:47:02,600
Speaker 1: So I this is like a new thing for me.

869
00:47:02,719 --> 00:47:04,960
Speaker 1: So for a long time on Instagram, rested like at

870
00:47:04,960 --> 00:47:08,960
Speaker 1: a thousand followers, and now it's like increasing exponentially, and

871
00:47:09,000 --> 00:47:11,600
Speaker 1: I'm like, well, what's going on? There's so many eyes, um,

872
00:47:12,000 --> 00:47:14,480
Speaker 1: But I try to respond. I literally try to respond

873
00:47:14,520 --> 00:47:16,560
Speaker 1: to every nice note, to every picture at least with

874
00:47:16,680 --> 00:47:19,200
Speaker 1: like a heart or tap or something, just to let

875
00:47:19,239 --> 00:47:21,279
Speaker 1: them know I see you, I see you engaging with

876
00:47:21,400 --> 00:47:24,000
Speaker 1: my work. Because like I said, this is coming from

877
00:47:24,080 --> 00:47:26,680
Speaker 1: the bottom up. It's not coming from everybody was like, oh,

878
00:47:26,760 --> 00:47:28,160
Speaker 1: this is a New York time supposed tollar. I have

879
00:47:28,239 --> 00:47:30,680
Speaker 1: to get that book. So just making sure that my

880
00:47:30,840 --> 00:47:33,640
Speaker 1: readers and my my fans know that I support them

881
00:47:33,719 --> 00:47:37,040
Speaker 1: and I care about them. Um. But again, I think

882
00:47:37,080 --> 00:47:39,680
Speaker 1: that social media it has become a job for me

883
00:47:39,760 --> 00:47:41,600
Speaker 1: in a lot of ways. So I need to be

884
00:47:41,719 --> 00:47:44,279
Speaker 1: writing a novel. You guys like I have another book

885
00:47:44,320 --> 00:47:46,920
Speaker 1: coming out, and so there have been times where I'm like,

886
00:47:47,000 --> 00:47:48,640
Speaker 1: I can't go in line today. It's going to be

887
00:47:48,719 --> 00:47:50,359
Speaker 1: too much of a time sec. It's going to take

888
00:47:50,400 --> 00:47:53,560
Speaker 1: away from my creative energy. And so holding sort of

889
00:47:53,680 --> 00:47:56,200
Speaker 1: like office hours like when I was a professor or

890
00:47:56,239 --> 00:47:59,320
Speaker 1: a lecturer. I wasn't not a professor. When I was

891
00:47:59,400 --> 00:48:01,600
Speaker 1: a lecturer, I would have my office hours, and I

892
00:48:01,680 --> 00:48:03,719
Speaker 1: kind of think of the same way, like d ms

893
00:48:03,719 --> 00:48:05,800
Speaker 1: are open right now, this is when I'll respond to

894
00:48:05,880 --> 00:48:08,800
Speaker 1: this window. And I did my first ask me anything

895
00:48:09,040 --> 00:48:12,240
Speaker 1: on Instagram the other day and I just set aside

896
00:48:12,280 --> 00:48:13,960
Speaker 1: time that day and this is what we're going to

897
00:48:14,000 --> 00:48:16,000
Speaker 1: engage with and this is how you know it's going

898
00:48:16,080 --> 00:48:19,200
Speaker 1: to be very cool. I love that I think we

899
00:48:19,200 --> 00:48:21,920
Speaker 1: should borrow that idea of the office hours, that's when

900
00:48:21,960 --> 00:48:24,480
Speaker 1: we respond to the messages and the d M. That's

901
00:48:24,520 --> 00:48:30,319
Speaker 1: a great idea. Yeah, we'll give credit. UM. I had

902
00:48:30,320 --> 00:48:33,239
Speaker 1: another question and just left my mind. Well, okay, I'm

903
00:48:33,520 --> 00:48:36,319
Speaker 1: kind of jumping back again. But you know, you share

904
00:48:36,360 --> 00:48:40,239
Speaker 1: the story about experiencing basically gender based violence in your

905
00:48:40,239 --> 00:48:43,960
Speaker 1: program and how that affected your education the trajectory, and

906
00:48:44,080 --> 00:48:46,760
Speaker 1: you know, I think this is a survivor centered podcast.

907
00:48:46,880 --> 00:48:49,960
Speaker 1: We do talk about sexual assault violence against women quite

908
00:48:50,000 --> 00:48:52,880
Speaker 1: often when it's relevant, right, And I think it's um

909
00:48:53,280 --> 00:48:55,680
Speaker 1: really interesting to discuss like the me too movement in

910
00:48:55,840 --> 00:48:58,640
Speaker 1: all these different industries and fields. So we had a

911
00:48:58,760 --> 00:49:00,640
Speaker 1: musician here the other day. We talked about the me

912
00:49:00,760 --> 00:49:04,000
Speaker 1: too movement in the music industry. So I'm wondering if

913
00:49:04,560 --> 00:49:08,000
Speaker 1: on your end, if this is something that are people

914
00:49:08,040 --> 00:49:11,040
Speaker 1: talking about this, is there a shift in behavior or

915
00:49:11,080 --> 00:49:14,800
Speaker 1: men behaving better? Are people afraid? Like what is going on?

916
00:49:15,000 --> 00:49:17,640
Speaker 1: Tell us? Yeah? So there definitely has been a me

917
00:49:17,800 --> 00:49:22,280
Speaker 1: too movement in UM literature. There's been some major figures

918
00:49:22,320 --> 00:49:25,600
Speaker 1: who were taken down UM like Juno Dias, Sherman Alexei.

919
00:49:26,520 --> 00:49:28,640
Speaker 1: And it's kind of interesting because the Sherman Alexei thing.

920
00:49:28,680 --> 00:49:32,480
Speaker 1: It's like you still see his books everywhere, and I

921
00:49:32,560 --> 00:49:35,839
Speaker 1: think it's kind of similar with the dias situation. Um.

922
00:49:36,719 --> 00:49:38,920
Speaker 1: What it's done, I think on a personal level is

923
00:49:39,040 --> 00:49:43,080
Speaker 1: my network now is mostly women of color, and we're

924
00:49:43,120 --> 00:49:46,399
Speaker 1: able to support each other without having to outsource two men.

925
00:49:46,880 --> 00:49:51,480
Speaker 1: And my editor is a woman of color. Yeah, my

926
00:49:51,600 --> 00:49:54,200
Speaker 1: editor is a woman of color, my agents a Jewish woman,

927
00:49:55,560 --> 00:49:58,799
Speaker 1: and I just I feel like it's very rare. If

928
00:49:58,840 --> 00:50:00,600
Speaker 1: you look at the blurbs on my book, I have

929
00:50:00,760 --> 00:50:03,640
Speaker 1: one man. There's one man who blurbed me, and so

930
00:50:03,760 --> 00:50:06,560
Speaker 1: it kind of feels like, I don't I don't need

931
00:50:06,600 --> 00:50:08,120
Speaker 1: to interact with you as much as I thought I

932
00:50:08,200 --> 00:50:09,719
Speaker 1: had to in order to get to where I need

933
00:50:09,800 --> 00:50:12,360
Speaker 1: to be. Nobody's asking me who I slept with to

934
00:50:12,400 --> 00:50:15,560
Speaker 1: get this book published, because because they can look and

935
00:50:15,640 --> 00:50:17,920
Speaker 1: see like, oh, she just loved with a bunch of women,

936
00:50:17,960 --> 00:50:21,319
Speaker 1: I guess to get this book published. Um. So yeah,

937
00:50:21,320 --> 00:50:23,560
Speaker 1: I think it's just it's created a space where there

938
00:50:23,600 --> 00:50:26,840
Speaker 1: can be a lot more women supporting women, and we

939
00:50:26,920 --> 00:50:29,560
Speaker 1: don't have to defer to positions of power that were

940
00:50:29,640 --> 00:50:32,319
Speaker 1: traditionally held by men. Um. There was a very there's

941
00:50:32,320 --> 00:50:36,120
Speaker 1: a very famous literary journal, to Paris Review. For years

942
00:50:36,160 --> 00:50:38,120
Speaker 1: and years a lot of people had heard stories of

943
00:50:38,160 --> 00:50:40,520
Speaker 1: the former editor. He was taken out by the Me

944
00:50:40,640 --> 00:50:43,200
Speaker 1: Too movement. He was somebody who rejected my stories in

945
00:50:43,239 --> 00:50:46,840
Speaker 1: the past. So maybe maybe I have I can try again.

946
00:50:47,160 --> 00:50:51,560
Speaker 1: You should definitely try again. So just seeing women take

947
00:50:51,640 --> 00:50:54,200
Speaker 1: on positions of power in the literary world, that's been

948
00:50:54,239 --> 00:50:57,560
Speaker 1: super exciting. I don't think a book like mine would

949
00:50:57,600 --> 00:51:00,560
Speaker 1: have the traction it has um prior to Me Too,

950
00:51:01,400 --> 00:51:04,560
Speaker 1: and that I'm just I'm really excited about that. I'm

951
00:51:04,600 --> 00:51:06,560
Speaker 1: sorry that women are being able to have, you know,

952
00:51:06,640 --> 00:51:10,080
Speaker 1: bigger say in literature. Yeah, it's really exciting because it's

953
00:51:10,120 --> 00:51:12,560
Speaker 1: kind of like plot twist. We don't actually need men

954
00:51:13,280 --> 00:51:17,080
Speaker 1: to make our projects or business is successful. There are millions,

955
00:51:17,360 --> 00:51:19,960
Speaker 1: billions of women in the world who have jobs, who

956
00:51:19,960 --> 00:51:23,760
Speaker 1: are consumers, who read. I can imagine that's a podcast

957
00:51:24,040 --> 00:51:27,440
Speaker 1: to invest on their own. We don't need really men

958
00:51:27,800 --> 00:51:30,239
Speaker 1: investing in that way. No, And I was, you know,

959
00:51:30,280 --> 00:51:33,240
Speaker 1: I was reading this statistic recently about just let the power,

960
00:51:33,360 --> 00:51:36,320
Speaker 1: the buying power that Latinas have just in general, and

961
00:51:36,480 --> 00:51:39,440
Speaker 1: how when a Latina finds a product or something that

962
00:51:39,560 --> 00:51:42,240
Speaker 1: she likes, she will literally share it with every single

963
00:51:43,360 --> 00:51:45,160
Speaker 1: you know. So going back to the word of mouth,

964
00:51:45,239 --> 00:51:50,920
Speaker 1: it's like Latina's really truly like our culture shifters, influencers

965
00:51:51,080 --> 00:51:53,480
Speaker 1: and their own right without having like the big Instagram,

966
00:51:53,560 --> 00:51:55,399
Speaker 1: blue check or you know what I mean, Like really

967
00:51:55,440 --> 00:51:59,040
Speaker 1: are moving the markets. Whether white people want to see

968
00:51:59,040 --> 00:52:00,239
Speaker 1: it or not, but I think that they are paying

969
00:52:00,280 --> 00:52:02,760
Speaker 1: attention now to the to the power and the influence

970
00:52:02,800 --> 00:52:05,040
Speaker 1: that we have. Yeah, one of the coolest things I

971
00:52:05,120 --> 00:52:07,040
Speaker 1: have seen. So a lot of my readings have been

972
00:52:07,400 --> 00:52:10,680
Speaker 1: in non traditional spaces because I don't have a budget

973
00:52:10,880 --> 00:52:13,600
Speaker 1: for a tour from the publisher, like I fund my

974
00:52:13,640 --> 00:52:16,520
Speaker 1: own tour. So it's out of the question for me

975
00:52:16,640 --> 00:52:18,319
Speaker 1: to fly to Houston and just do a reading at

976
00:52:18,320 --> 00:52:21,440
Speaker 1: a bookstore. It has to be a purposeful choice. Um,

977
00:52:21,960 --> 00:52:24,480
Speaker 1: but something that's been really interesting. So I've done um

978
00:52:24,640 --> 00:52:28,400
Speaker 1: community theater for Latina's where I've had a book club meeting,

979
00:52:28,640 --> 00:52:31,520
Speaker 1: and I did a recent book club meeting and this

980
00:52:31,840 --> 00:52:34,759
Speaker 1: this young Latina she brought she bought five books. It's

981
00:52:34,800 --> 00:52:37,239
Speaker 1: a lot of money, Okay, it's a lot, and she

982
00:52:37,440 --> 00:52:40,160
Speaker 1: was like signed signed into all my friends, like all

983
00:52:40,200 --> 00:52:42,200
Speaker 1: my home girls get a book. And I'm like what,

984
00:52:43,320 --> 00:52:45,920
Speaker 1: And I've had like little old men come and buy

985
00:52:45,960 --> 00:52:47,879
Speaker 1: one for all their daughters. I'm like, you can read

986
00:52:47,920 --> 00:52:54,200
Speaker 1: it too. But that's adorable. Yeah, that's amazing. Damn, we're

987
00:52:54,239 --> 00:52:57,760
Speaker 1: really out here. It's so exciting. It's so freaking exciting.

988
00:52:57,840 --> 00:53:00,080
Speaker 1: And I'm wondering, Um, so you did mention you have

989
00:53:00,160 --> 00:53:03,279
Speaker 1: a novel that you're working on. Is there any teasers

990
00:53:03,400 --> 00:53:06,279
Speaker 1: that you would like to share about your upcoming work? Yeah?

991
00:53:06,520 --> 00:53:11,239
Speaker 1: So my So, my upcoming novel is basically, I took

992
00:53:11,320 --> 00:53:14,400
Speaker 1: the family migration story from northern New Mexico southern Colorado

993
00:53:14,480 --> 00:53:17,719
Speaker 1: to Denver and I fictionalized it. And I knew I

994
00:53:17,800 --> 00:53:19,839
Speaker 1: wanted to tell the story since I was a little girl,

995
00:53:19,960 --> 00:53:22,160
Speaker 1: because again, this was one of the stories that the

996
00:53:22,239 --> 00:53:24,920
Speaker 1: elders just told over and over again, the big walk,

997
00:53:25,040 --> 00:53:28,160
Speaker 1: like when we left the country where we were the

998
00:53:28,200 --> 00:53:30,600
Speaker 1: majority and we came up to the city and it

999
00:53:30,719 --> 00:53:34,000
Speaker 1: was a completely different landscape. Um. So it is a

1000
00:53:34,080 --> 00:53:36,359
Speaker 1: story that starts in eighteen ninety and it looks at

1001
00:53:36,400 --> 00:53:40,040
Speaker 1: this sort of genesis generation, their wild West performers, their

1002
00:53:40,160 --> 00:53:44,719
Speaker 1: native Mexican and then they start mixing with Europeans and

1003
00:53:44,920 --> 00:53:47,640
Speaker 1: then because of racial violence. They're sort of a fall

1004
00:53:47,719 --> 00:53:50,000
Speaker 1: with that generation, and then it takes a look at

1005
00:53:50,000 --> 00:53:52,560
Speaker 1: the next generation living in Denver in the nineteen thirties

1006
00:53:52,680 --> 00:53:55,799
Speaker 1: during the depression. UM, and I'm really excited because there's

1007
00:53:55,800 --> 00:53:59,200
Speaker 1: so many people. It doesn't happen very often. But a

1008
00:53:59,320 --> 00:54:02,120
Speaker 1: big reason I'm creating the work I'm creating is because

1009
00:54:02,360 --> 00:54:05,120
Speaker 1: I felt invisible my whole life. I felt like people

1010
00:54:05,160 --> 00:54:08,360
Speaker 1: didn't know we existed. People from northern New Mexico, southern

1011
00:54:08,360 --> 00:54:12,359
Speaker 1: Colorado that you know, have this complicated ancestry. And I'm

1012
00:54:12,400 --> 00:54:14,520
Speaker 1: just really excited that I get to have this national,

1013
00:54:14,840 --> 00:54:18,800
Speaker 1: international platform to talk about my ancestors and my heritage

1014
00:54:18,800 --> 00:54:23,000
Speaker 1: and when I come from beautiful that's amazing. So thank

1015
00:54:23,040 --> 00:54:25,160
Speaker 1: you so much for chatting with us today. For folks

1016
00:54:25,239 --> 00:54:28,320
Speaker 1: that want to support your book, UM, that want to

1017
00:54:28,360 --> 00:54:30,200
Speaker 1: purchase one, that want to follow you, where can they

1018
00:54:30,239 --> 00:54:33,479
Speaker 1: do that? So the best way to purchase my book

1019
00:54:33,719 --> 00:54:36,600
Speaker 1: is to ask your independent bookstore to carry it. If

1020
00:54:36,600 --> 00:54:39,480
Speaker 1: they don't already carry it. Most independent bookstores will do

1021
00:54:39,560 --> 00:54:42,279
Speaker 1: special orders. UM. You can also get it online through

1022
00:54:42,320 --> 00:54:45,719
Speaker 1: the traditional places, but I'd like to suggest bookstores. UM.

1023
00:54:46,000 --> 00:54:49,759
Speaker 1: I'm really active on Instagram and it's CALLI maha um

1024
00:54:49,920 --> 00:54:52,759
Speaker 1: k A l I m A j A and you

1025
00:54:52,840 --> 00:54:54,480
Speaker 1: can kind of follow me on Twitter, but like I

1026
00:54:54,520 --> 00:54:58,080
Speaker 1: don't really like the GRAMA is where it's at. Definitely

1027
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Speaker 1: all right, Well this has in another cup. You look

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1030
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1033
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1034
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