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Speaker 1: Now here's a highlight from Coast to Coast AM on iHeartRadio.

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Speaker 1: Welcome back to Coast to Coast George nor with you

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Speaker 1: along with Ben Hanson. Ben with this special technology that

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Speaker 1: it can be used I assume on people who have died,

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Speaker 1: but they're on videotape. Yeah, so um there could be video.

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Speaker 1: We could also do it with just an audio file,

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Speaker 1: and then also just with written statements. Of course, if

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Speaker 1: you have all three or at least you know, have

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Speaker 1: them on video speaking, we can apply all the different

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Speaker 1: modalities to it. And gosh, what was so cool though?

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Speaker 1: When they told me this, I was like, Okay, we'll

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Speaker 1: sign me up. Let's do the show. And so they

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Speaker 1: would sit me in a chair and basically I had

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Speaker 1: no forewarning how the the you know, results went with

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Speaker 1: these different interviews, and they would just lay it on

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Speaker 1: me right there. So my racks into most of it,

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Speaker 1: I would say, was just as I expected. Did so

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Speaker 1: a couple examples. Those familiar with the Roswell story know

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Speaker 1: that the story of Glenn Dennis, the mortician and this

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Speaker 1: nurse x So. Glenn claims that the base, the air

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Speaker 1: base at Roswell, called him. He was the town mortician

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Speaker 1: and ambulance driver and started asking him questions about how

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Speaker 1: many child sized caskets could he get that were hermetically

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Speaker 1: sealed and how do you preserve bodies have been out

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Speaker 1: laying in the elements for a long time, and he

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Speaker 1: thought this is really weird. So then he finds himself,

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Speaker 1: you know, driving to the base and his story is

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Speaker 1: that he was taking an airman in the ambulance to

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Speaker 1: the base. And then while he's there, he goes to

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Speaker 1: the hangar you know, where the debris was story and

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Speaker 1: sees the debris and a nurse that he meets who

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Speaker 1: tells him to get out of there and later draws

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Speaker 1: him pictures of the autopsy of of these beings. So

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Speaker 1: you take the whole story into account, and what's really,

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Speaker 1: you know, extraordinary, is that, with a high probability, this

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Speaker 1: AI predicts that he was telling the truth on most

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Speaker 1: of it, um except for the part about why he

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Speaker 1: was on the base. And so the conspiracy there is

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Speaker 1: that he probably knew this nurse maybe was having some

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Speaker 1: sort of an affair um And and so it you know,

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Speaker 1: not every story is going to be straight up, you know,

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Speaker 1: every everyone's telling the truth. This is this is how

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Speaker 1: witnesses disclosed things. Another really quick one was um the

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Speaker 1: Well first of all, Mac Brazil, the rancher, and Jesse Marcel.

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Speaker 1: Every one of those came out as telling the truth

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Speaker 1: as to what they handled and what they saw it

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Speaker 1: is and when you put it all together, I the

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Speaker 1: whole idea of this show in a six part series

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Speaker 1: is could you take this case. Could you take roswell

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Speaker 1: the court and say there's a preponderance of the evidence,

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Speaker 1: and I think you could take it to criminal court

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Speaker 1: and you could say beyond a reasonable doubt that something

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Speaker 1: happened there that was not from this world. And it's

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Speaker 1: just a great series and I was really happy that

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Speaker 1: they had this new angle on it. Tell me a

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Speaker 1: little bit about your work with Travis Walton, friend of

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Speaker 1: our program, and of course during his episode which was

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Speaker 1: turned into a movie called Fire in the Sky, he

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Speaker 1: and his logger friends all pasted polygraph tests. Yeah, and

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Speaker 1: so you know, I having done work when I used

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Speaker 1: to work for the federal government, I've taken multiple paragraphs

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Speaker 1: is a pre employment thing. And I'll tell you those

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Speaker 1: are your listeners who have had to do it for

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Speaker 1: work or otherwise. You probably know it's one of the

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Speaker 1: most horrible experiences. They're off I hate them, and they're

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Speaker 1: not completely accurate, but the white paper studies on those

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Speaker 1: placed them anywhere from about eighty two. They claim up

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Speaker 1: is this guy? And we got to know each other,

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Speaker 1: and I'll tell you to me it's it's one of

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Speaker 1: the most well documented ufocases in history, not just because

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Speaker 1: you have seven witnesses, but because they were lucky enough

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Speaker 1: documentary that we we created out of this, if you

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Speaker 1: mathematically and I did this, I um you know, and

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Speaker 1: gave the results. But you're anywhere conservatively from a one

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Speaker 1: chance of these people lying if you put any faith

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Speaker 1: in the polygraph. Now, of course, the polygraph, though requires

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Speaker 1: the dilemmas with Roswell's. We no longer have access to these, um,

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Speaker 1: where else can we use the technology? Where what other

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Speaker 1: cases Bob laz are or all of these others. You

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Speaker 1: know that people who don't even have to cooperate with you,

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Speaker 1: we can apply this and and help shed some light

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Speaker 1: on on these, uh, these very iconic cases. You revisited

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Speaker 1: a case that got me interested in UFOs when I

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Speaker 1: was a kid, the Betty and Barney Hill case. And

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Speaker 1: I wonder if you could put because the Betty is

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Speaker 1: on camera talking to us, you know, some anchor people

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Speaker 1: wonder if you could use that on her too. You're

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Speaker 1: you're thinking along the very same lines that I am. Um,

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Speaker 1: you know, I'm I'm supposed to be John Tom Schneider.

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Speaker 1: I think she was interviewing. Yeah. Yeah, we have a

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Speaker 1: lot of those, uh, the witnesses on tape, and we

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Speaker 1: of course have Betty and Barney's hypnosis tapes and we

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Speaker 1: have everything there. Um, I on my show UFO witness. UM,

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Speaker 1: we we went into that case and we met with

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Speaker 1: you know, the niece, Kathleen Mardin, and UM actually went

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Speaker 1: of the biggest breakthroughs for me. UM. Sometimes when we

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Speaker 1: do these shows, we don't we hope for the best,

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Speaker 1: but you know, for what they say TV Gold and

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Speaker 1: just the sheer joy of the discovery and my own

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Speaker 1: passion for it, we hope we come up with something new.

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Speaker 1: And for those who know the story, UM, you know

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Speaker 1: Betty and Barney Hill coming down from from a trip

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Speaker 1: the interrupted journey, you know, the missing time, the the

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Speaker 1: craft that follows them, and then you know they wake

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Speaker 1: up thirty miles away. And so through hypnosis we learn

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Speaker 1: very very similar accounts from both of them, yet they

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Speaker 1: Betty's allegedly, according to to her dreams and her hypnosis,

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Speaker 1: Kathleen had had a few stains tested before which indicated

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Speaker 1: some sort of DNA that was Betty's. But what we

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Speaker 1: The curious thing was this stain did not go through

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Speaker 1: I had a chance to interview doctor Benjamin Simon. They're psychiatrist,

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Speaker 1: and that's what you want to hear from your professionals

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Speaker 1: they concocted it. They hoped that everything from those sessions,

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Speaker 1: The Dexter, Michigan case was something of a turning point

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Speaker 1: like they forced him to say something like that. Precisely,

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Speaker 1: So we spoke with Sheriff Harvey. Okay, Now, Sheriff Harvey

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Speaker 1: He spends all day with Heineck. Heineck's interviewing Frank Manner

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Speaker 1: he looked at him and he said, it was swamp gas.

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Speaker 1: And he said, what, just a minute ago, you told

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Speaker 1: that totally convinced Heineck there's something else going on here,

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Speaker 1: so this delivery person was very mysterious. Well, she asked

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Speaker 1: she thought this courier was coming from right field, from

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