WEBVTT - Getting Below The Surface Of Biscayne National Park with Sandra Ramos

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<v Speaker 1>Ever since I was a kid, when I would rent

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<v Speaker 1>Jaws from the local video store on a weekly basis,

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<v Speaker 1>the ocean has simultaneously been the most captivating place for

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<v Speaker 1>me and also my worst fear. That's true. I used

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<v Speaker 1>to rent Jaws in and practically every week, and I

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<v Speaker 1>don't know why your parents didn't just buy it. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>me neither. We probably wasted like hundreds and hundreds of

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<v Speaker 1>dollars in that rental video and I probably single handily

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<v Speaker 1>kept that video store on life support for for years.

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<v Speaker 1>Well that's really nice of you. Yeah, Well, I was

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<v Speaker 1>just doing my part, I guess. But really it's a

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<v Speaker 1>testament to the ocean and the mystery of that watery

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<v Speaker 1>wilderness that kept me coming back for more. And it's

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<v Speaker 1>part of the fact that it's always been my greatest fear.

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<v Speaker 1>It was something I always wanted to face an experience

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<v Speaker 1>for myself as well, and that's exactly what we did

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<v Speaker 1>in Biscayne National Park in South Florida, the largest aquatic

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<v Speaker 1>park in the National Park Service. Yeah, this is a

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<v Speaker 1>park where getting into the water is paramount. You can't

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<v Speaker 1>come here and not do something at least on top

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<v Speaker 1>of the water, if not under it. After all d

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<v Speaker 1>seventy two thousand acre park is water, and as excited

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<v Speaker 1>as I was to dive in, literally, I was also

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<v Speaker 1>facing a lifetime's worth of built up fear and anxiety.

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<v Speaker 1>But part of your love for national parks is about

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<v Speaker 1>facing fears, even if they're unrealistic as jaws. Yeah, I'm

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<v Speaker 1>gonna put on my snorkel flippers, sidestep that little bit

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<v Speaker 1>of shade you just tossed my way, and make the

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<v Speaker 1>plunge into this episode on Biscayne National Park, which also

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<v Speaker 1>features a very special guest, Santa Ramos. So stay tuned. Hi,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm Matt and I'm Brad. This is park Landia, a

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<v Speaker 1>production of I Heart Radio. We sold our loft in Chicago,

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<v Speaker 1>moved into an RV full time, and now we're chopping

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<v Speaker 1>the country with our dog Finn, exploring America's national parks.

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<v Speaker 1>And today we're talking about Biscayne National Park in South Florida.

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<v Speaker 1>As we mentioned, Biscayne National Park covers a little more

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<v Speaker 1>than a hundred and seventy thousand acres in South Florida

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<v Speaker 1>in the Biscayne Bay, just south of Miami. Literally you

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<v Speaker 1>can see the Miami sky line from this park and

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<v Speaker 1>it only takes about an hour to get here from

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<v Speaker 1>South Beach to which is crazy and really awesome. Obviously,

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<v Speaker 1>it's even less if you're in downtown Miami or South Miami,

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<v Speaker 1>so it's super accessible for city dwellers or visitors to

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<v Speaker 1>Miami who might be looking for a change of pace

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<v Speaker 1>from all the South Beach clubs or volleyball competitions he

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<v Speaker 1>might be participating in. Yeah, even though it's only about

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<v Speaker 1>forty miles from Miami, Biscayne National Park feels world's apart

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<v Speaker 1>and that's a great thing to have, such a like

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<v Speaker 1>great getaway so close to that. Yeah, And now I've

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<v Speaker 1>been to Biskey in a couple of times now, once

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<v Speaker 1>with you in RV as part of a Greater South

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<v Speaker 1>Florida Evergates trip which was epic and amazing, and recently

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<v Speaker 1>as well on a solo road trip which I was

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<v Speaker 1>driving through like Miami and the Keys. And on that

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<v Speaker 1>trip I was able to start my morning with coffee

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<v Speaker 1>and pastries in Windwood, this really awesome neighborhood in Miami,

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<v Speaker 1>and then literally like an hour later, I was at

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<v Speaker 1>Biskaying National Park with plenty of time to make my

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<v Speaker 1>voting reservation out to Bocachi to Key, so it's about

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<v Speaker 1>to both worlds. You can have it all. Yeah. Not

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<v Speaker 1>many national parks can claim this kind of convenient proximity

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<v Speaker 1>to major cities, which just goes to show that there's

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<v Speaker 1>always gems in your backyard. Yeah, and Biscayne is an

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<v Speaker 1>absolute gem. Not a lot of people are really aware

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<v Speaker 1>of this one, I think, especially in the context of

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<v Speaker 1>South Florida, where nearby Everglades gets all the attention. I

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<v Speaker 1>think not only is Biskain much smaller size wise convert

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<v Speaker 1>to Everglades, but it only gets about half a million visitors,

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<v Speaker 1>which is nothing to scoff out, of course, but still

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<v Speaker 1>you know. Yeah, it's actually a great thing though, since

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<v Speaker 1>this keeps the park less crowded and easier to explore,

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<v Speaker 1>which is important because a lot of the activities here

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<v Speaker 1>require advance reservations and tours for their tours. Plus, since

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<v Speaker 1>we're driving in our v it makes it easier for

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<v Speaker 1>us to get that little parking space. Yes, and that's

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<v Speaker 1>very important too, because the Dante Fascale Visitor Center parking

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<v Speaker 1>lot is really tiny. It is another thing that is

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<v Speaker 1>that Biscayne is a much younger than Everglades as well.

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<v Speaker 1>It was designated in National Park in six years after

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<v Speaker 1>Everglades is made a National Park. Yes, I feel like

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<v Speaker 1>Biscayan and Everglades really have a sibling type relationship going on,

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<v Speaker 1>and Biscayne obviously would be the younger sibling who too

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<v Speaker 1>often gets overshadowed about the popularity and accomplishments of the

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<v Speaker 1>older sibling. I feel that, Yeah, And I'm not just

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<v Speaker 1>saying that as someone who has two younger siblings and

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<v Speaker 1>happens to be very accomplished myself. So that's just a

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<v Speaker 1>coincidence that has nothing to do with this metaphor. I'm sure, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>what a coincidence, Um, But it is true enough Biscayne

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<v Speaker 1>does get overshadowed a little bit. It really deserves to

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<v Speaker 1>stand out more though, because it's an entirely different park

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<v Speaker 1>than the Everglades, which is right next doorm. It looks

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<v Speaker 1>and feels nothing like that park. Yes, and most importantly,

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<v Speaker 1>Everglades is absolutely not a park for swimming or snarkling

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<v Speaker 1>or going into the water in any capacity for a

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<v Speaker 1>very good reason. But a Biscayne it's the opposite. It's

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<v Speaker 1>all about literally immersing yourself in the ocean. Sure, there

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<v Speaker 1>are a lot of wild animals here, but you can't

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<v Speaker 1>go swimming or snarkling in areas where there are a

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<v Speaker 1>crocodile else. Um, and definitely aren't any like great white

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<v Speaker 1>sharks here, you know either. Jaws was not filmed here,

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<v Speaker 1>that's for sure. Yes, But do you remember when we're

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<v Speaker 1>out here on our story going trip and after we're

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<v Speaker 1>all back in the boat. I remember there was some

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<v Speaker 1>kids on the tour who asked he like, asked the

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<v Speaker 1>guys if there are any sharks in the area, and

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<v Speaker 1>they said yes, which was pretty or if I'm not

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<v Speaker 1>the answer I expected nor wanted. I was like, wow,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm glad you didn't bring that up beforehand. I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>that's not really surprising though. Um. I think in any

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<v Speaker 1>open ocean water there's at least a possibility of sharks,

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<v Speaker 1>but still nothing too dangerous. Is scary? Sure, I just

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<v Speaker 1>I would rather not think about it. You know. The

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<v Speaker 1>most common sharks here, fortunately, are more docile sharks like

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<v Speaker 1>lemon sharks and the sharks, both of which actually sound

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<v Speaker 1>kind of sweet and even like maternally even. But then

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<v Speaker 1>there have also been sighting some other sharks like hammer

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<v Speaker 1>heads and black tip sharks in bull sharks in Biscayne Bay,

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<v Speaker 1>which are all sharks from my nightmares, but really you're

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<v Speaker 1>more likely to see manatees here than sharks, and worst

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<v Speaker 1>case is crocodiles which live among the shores. But like

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<v Speaker 1>we learned at Everglades, American crocodiles only eat things that

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<v Speaker 1>can swallow things in one bite. Um, so they have

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<v Speaker 1>no interest in people. Great. I'm actually happy to see

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<v Speaker 1>crocodiles from a safe distance, and I would love to

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<v Speaker 1>see more of them, but I definitely do not want

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<v Speaker 1>to be in the water when I do, so, of course,

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<v Speaker 1>I'd like to see them from a boat or from

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<v Speaker 1>the land when I'm on the land. But anyway, let's

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<v Speaker 1>talk more about my nightmares and our storcle trip here

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<v Speaker 1>at Biscayne Trails. So our trip to Biscaine was after

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<v Speaker 1>we spent a few days at Everglades in January. Uh

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<v Speaker 1>this was a great time of year to visit Florida's

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<v Speaker 1>national parks since the weather is most comfortable and you're

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<v Speaker 1>more likely to see wildlife. Yeah, for better or worse.

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<v Speaker 1>But we had planned to drive our r V to

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<v Speaker 1>Biscayne for the day, and we had prebuked a snorkel

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<v Speaker 1>excursion hosted by the Biscayne National Park Institute. They do

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<v Speaker 1>a fantastic job, by the way they do, They absolutely do,

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<v Speaker 1>And this was during the government shutdown, and so there

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<v Speaker 1>was they were just doing such a great job of

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<v Speaker 1>keeping things afloat. Yeah, literally they were, I mean, we're

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<v Speaker 1>floating the boat. And they were also keeping the park

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<v Speaker 1>accessible and safe for visitors like us. So the main

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<v Speaker 1>visitor center when we were here was closed because of

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<v Speaker 1>the shutdown, but the Biscayan National Park Institute made sure

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<v Speaker 1>that people who did make trip reservations like us were

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<v Speaker 1>able to keep them and enjoy their time at the park.

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<v Speaker 1>And we had a we had a great time. I'm

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<v Speaker 1>I was so relieved because I didn't know what to expect.

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<v Speaker 1>Everything was kind of up in the air and all

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<v Speaker 1>the parks were handling it differently. So yeah, so it

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<v Speaker 1>was nice. So when we got first got to that park,

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<v Speaker 1>we walked along the boardwalk trail as we waited for

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<v Speaker 1>our tour to start, which was a really great way.

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<v Speaker 1>That was really nice to start it. Yeah, since this

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<v Speaker 1>park is almost entirely ocean, there really is not a

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<v Speaker 1>ton of hiking. I mean there's no hiking. There wasn't

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<v Speaker 1>even a ton of like walking or land activities here,

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<v Speaker 1>but this one trail is awesome and totally worthwhile. It's

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<v Speaker 1>called the Jetty Trail, and altogether it's a little less

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<v Speaker 1>than a mile out and back along this main grove

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<v Speaker 1>line coast and on a boardwalk to this long, narrow

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<v Speaker 1>jetty out to a birding area where you're likely to

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<v Speaker 1>see lots of pelicans and herons and frigate birds and

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<v Speaker 1>morganzas and a whole bunch of others. But that's only

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<v Speaker 1>if the tide isn't too high that it washes out

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<v Speaker 1>the trail, of course, because first time we were here

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<v Speaker 1>it was open and accessible in great last time I

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<v Speaker 1>was there, most of the trails underwater, so it's still beautiful.

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<v Speaker 1>But yeah, I remember the water being royal blue and

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<v Speaker 1>the mangrove forests were just bright green. The colors were

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<v Speaker 1>so vivid, and the trail had several benches lined up

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<v Speaker 1>along the shore, perfect place to sit and just dream. Um.

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<v Speaker 1>It was literally picture perfect, um. And it was just

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<v Speaker 1>beautiful lookout over Biscayne Blay, especially in the morning. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>also a picture perfect place to for me to sit

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<v Speaker 1>and contemplate my worst fears looking out for all of it.

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<v Speaker 1>It's right there. Like the mere notion of jumping into

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<v Speaker 1>deep water in the open ocean. It was filling me

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<v Speaker 1>with anxiety and excitement though too, I was kind of

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<v Speaker 1>going back and forth there. Yeah, I'm really glad we

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<v Speaker 1>got to do that snorkel trip though, Um, this is

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<v Speaker 1>our first time doing something like this together. Especially cool

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<v Speaker 1>to do here because not only did we learn a lot,

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<v Speaker 1>but we got to snorkel by the third largest coral

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<v Speaker 1>reef in the world. That's right, amazing, like a fact

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<v Speaker 1>I had no idea about. I didn't know there was

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<v Speaker 1>a coral reef of this size anywhere off the shore

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<v Speaker 1>of the U. S that's for sure. So the Florida

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<v Speaker 1>reef here is the largest of its kind in North America.

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<v Speaker 1>So if I'm going to plunge into my aquatic nightmares,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm glad it was here in a very pretty setting ocean.

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<v Speaker 1>So for that snorkeling trip, we made advance reservations online

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<v Speaker 1>with the Skiing National Park Institute, which works with the

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<v Speaker 1>park to provide great guided trips um to its like

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<v Speaker 1>park islands and into the open waters for things like kayaking, swimming, shipwrecks,

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<v Speaker 1>and of course snorkeling, yes, of course. So our snorkel

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<v Speaker 1>chip took about three hours in total, and it left

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<v Speaker 1>in the morning with a pretty moderate group size, probably

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<v Speaker 1>about twenty of us, all situated on this speedy boat,

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<v Speaker 1>which got us out several miles into the ocean and

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<v Speaker 1>the national park, the Biscayan National Park Institute. They provide

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<v Speaker 1>all the gear, so it's pretty pretty easy and open

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<v Speaker 1>for everyone. So you just make sure to bring water

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<v Speaker 1>and sunscreen, like the basic necessities like that, and plenty

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<v Speaker 1>of adrenaline. Of course you're gonna you're probably gonna need that.

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<v Speaker 1>The guides base their snorkeling location for the day based

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<v Speaker 1>on weather conditions, and for ours, they took us out

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<v Speaker 1>past the keys to the open ocean where the coral

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<v Speaker 1>reef was, and I was so nervous to actually suit

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<v Speaker 1>up and jump off the side of the boat. It

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<v Speaker 1>this is like something that really goes against everything my

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<v Speaker 1>mind is telling me to do. All my instincts and

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<v Speaker 1>like a lifetime's worth of, you know, obsessive watching Jaws,

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<v Speaker 1>because I've been so conditioned from movies like that and

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<v Speaker 1>others like open water and deep blue Sea and White Placid,

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<v Speaker 1>Giant crocodile. So you know, this is not something that

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<v Speaker 1>I'm inclined to do necessarily, but honestly, as soon as

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<v Speaker 1>you jump in and open your eyes underwater, all of

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<v Speaker 1>these ideas, all my fears of Jaws were immediately replaced

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<v Speaker 1>by movies like Finding Nemo. It was suddenly super colorful

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<v Speaker 1>and tranquil and relaxing, and Finding Nemo was obviously much

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<v Speaker 1>less terrifying than Jaws. Really, um, the only fish we

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<v Speaker 1>saw here were small and harmless and beautiful too. It

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<v Speaker 1>was just a rainbow of color. It was a rainbow

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<v Speaker 1>of color. And the fish that you're going to see

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<v Speaker 1>potentially out by the reef for our fish like queen

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<v Speaker 1>angelfish and blue neon gobies and purple sea fans, all

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<v Speaker 1>zipping around between floral shaped coral polyps and sponges, which

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<v Speaker 1>all of this is like swaying and billowing beautifully back

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<v Speaker 1>and forth and the gentle tide, and it's captivating to

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<v Speaker 1>watch and super relaxing. Actually, yeah, And they give you

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<v Speaker 1>like an hour out there to sim around and look

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<v Speaker 1>at it all. But I could have just floated out

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<v Speaker 1>here for much longer. There's just so much to look

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<v Speaker 1>at from the sea grass and algae gardens to all

0:12:10.840 --> 0:12:14.760
<v Speaker 1>these beautiful schools of fish. Literally hundreds of different like

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<v Speaker 1>fish species at Biscayne, more than two hundreds of which

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<v Speaker 1>live in those reefs. Yeah, and a lot of them

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<v Speaker 1>have adorable sounding names, which really helps, like parrot fish

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<v Speaker 1>and squirrel fish and even things like Christmas tree worms,

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<v Speaker 1>so precious is beautiful. But even though they all sound cuddly,

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<v Speaker 1>make sure and keep your distance and not touch any animals,

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<v Speaker 1>including coral. Coral reefs are incredibly fragile. It's very vulnerable

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<v Speaker 1>to human touch as well as just the oils that

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<v Speaker 1>come off human skin too, So keep your distance and

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<v Speaker 1>be mindful of that now. And these ecosystems are super important.

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<v Speaker 1>Um there's some of the most biologically diverse and important

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<v Speaker 1>ecosystems on the planet, and the reefs here account for

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<v Speaker 1>more than half of Biscayne National Parks protected waters. Yes,

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<v Speaker 1>that's absolutely true. So the snorkeling trip just all together

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<v Speaker 1>and our experience in the water, I thought was really amazing.

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<v Speaker 1>Not only was it reassuring and relaxing for me, kind

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<v Speaker 1>of immediately erasing all my anxiety and replacing it with

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<v Speaker 1>the serenity, but we saw a lot and we're able

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<v Speaker 1>to capture a lot on camera because you brought a

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<v Speaker 1>go crow. Yeah, and it was just one of those

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<v Speaker 1>moments where you just realize that you are in the

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<v Speaker 1>ocean and you're being able to watch this this beautiful

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<v Speaker 1>school of fish and all these fish come by and

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<v Speaker 1>the algae and everything is just waving back and forth,

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<v Speaker 1>and you just forget about the world and you realize

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<v Speaker 1>where you're at, what you're doing, and just how immersive

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<v Speaker 1>that experience was. I remember I just literally chased fish,

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<v Speaker 1>like I found one, and I like tried to follow

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<v Speaker 1>up for like ten minutes, and that's all I did.

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<v Speaker 1>And I went from that one. When I got distracted

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<v Speaker 1>like Dory and finding Nemo, I just went another fish

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<v Speaker 1>and I just so I was literally Dory and this

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<v Speaker 1>experience because I just loved just watching it. And you know, now,

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<v Speaker 1>I think I understand why Dory it was such a

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<v Speaker 1>great character as because that's all of us when we

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<v Speaker 1>visit national parks and we get into wildlife, because you

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<v Speaker 1>just you're inspired by the world. So it's not that

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<v Speaker 1>she forgot everything, it's that she saw everything. Yeah, and

0:14:19.920 --> 0:14:22.160
<v Speaker 1>she just has so much pure excitement and there's an

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<v Speaker 1>Innocence Store too. Unfortunately, you have more better memory than Dorry,

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<v Speaker 1>So we're here talking about it. I don't know, sometimes forgetful,

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<v Speaker 1>but I agree with the sentiment, like when you're underwater

0:14:34.040 --> 0:14:35.960
<v Speaker 1>at a place like Biscayan National Park by the coral,

0:14:36.040 --> 0:14:39.240
<v Speaker 1>we kind of washes away, like all your kind of

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<v Speaker 1>day to day mundane stresses and stuff. Like when I

0:14:42.960 --> 0:14:44.760
<v Speaker 1>was out there storm, when I certainly wasn't thinking about

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<v Speaker 1>like oh I have a deadline later, or like oh

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<v Speaker 1>taxis is in three months, you know whatever, like all

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<v Speaker 1>that stuff didn't matter. It didn't I was out there.

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<v Speaker 1>I was just thinking like, oh, I'm here in this

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<v Speaker 1>moment in an environment that is very unusual and foreign

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<v Speaker 1>to me and to most humans. It really is. And Ellen,

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<v Speaker 1>if you ever want to just talk to us about

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<v Speaker 1>fish and wildlife, just let us know. We'll be here.

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<v Speaker 1>We'll be here. And we also were ready to drive

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<v Speaker 1>back into because this trip is so inspiring for us

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<v Speaker 1>that we actually got our own circle gear and went

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<v Speaker 1>so absolutely and I realized I have to shave my

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<v Speaker 1>beard whenever I want to go Snorkeling's for it's a nightmare.

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<v Speaker 1>Talking about nightmares, like that's worse than getting eaten by

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<v Speaker 1>jaws for me, But I'll do it because snorkeling is amazing. Yes,

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<v Speaker 1>it is history, but it's not all reefs here at Biscayne.

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<v Speaker 1>The park is actually divided into four different categories of

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<v Speaker 1>protected ecosystems, including the reef. There's also the shoreline, mangrove forests,

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<v Speaker 1>the shallow waters of the bay, and the keys like

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<v Speaker 1>Elliott Key and Boca Cheeta Key. And keys, by the way,

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<v Speaker 1>different from islands because they are formed in the surface

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<v Speaker 1>of coral reefs, while islands are landmasses that get surrounded

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<v Speaker 1>by water or they're formed by volcanic events. Keys look

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<v Speaker 1>a lot like islands, so easily confused, kind of like

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<v Speaker 1>how alligators and crocodiles can look like at first, But

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<v Speaker 1>when you examine the details and just the geography of

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<v Speaker 1>keys and islands, they difference has become more clear. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>and those different like ecosystems are where you're more likely

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<v Speaker 1>to see more of the park's famous wildlife, like manatees

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<v Speaker 1>and crocodiles and sea turtles. Yeah, there's a lot here.

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<v Speaker 1>And there are even a few alligators too that have

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<v Speaker 1>been known to to dabble in Biscayne, but they prefer freshwater,

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<v Speaker 1>which is why you'll primarily see them at Everglades next

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<v Speaker 1>door or most any other waterway in Florida, which is

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<v Speaker 1>kind of chilling. Yeah, So let's back it up and

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<v Speaker 1>talk more about the history here a Biscayne as well,

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<v Speaker 1>because even though there's keys look small, they're actually have

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<v Speaker 1>a surprising amount of human history as well. They do,

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<v Speaker 1>and very surprising. So it all started with Native peoples

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<v Speaker 1>of the Glades culture who first inhabited President Day Biscayne

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<v Speaker 1>a like ten thousand years ago before it was entirely

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<v Speaker 1>filled with water, and then some four thousand years ago

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<v Speaker 1>the quest of people lived on the keys and along

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<v Speaker 1>the shore. They did this until Spanish explorers moved into

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<v Speaker 1>Florida and took over the area. Jokes on them, though,

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<v Speaker 1>because the coral reef here is responsible for lots of

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<v Speaker 1>Spanish shipwrecks, uh, some of which you can explore on

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<v Speaker 1>those snorkeling tours. All in all, they are about more

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<v Speaker 1>than forty shipwrecks within the parks waters. It's a lot,

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<v Speaker 1>and that would be so cool to go back here

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<v Speaker 1>and do like a shipwreck snorkel touring. I've never done

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<v Speaker 1>anything like that, but the keys were eventually used for

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<v Speaker 1>farming things like pineapples and tomatoes weirdly enough into the

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<v Speaker 1>nineteen hundreds, but the areas, hurricanes and Rocky Train just

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<v Speaker 1>made it too difficult to keep doing that, right. My

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<v Speaker 1>favorite thing is what happened next though. Once the keys

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<v Speaker 1>were largely abandoned for farming purposes, they were transformed into

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<v Speaker 1>the next big thing, party mansions. It's kind of crazy.

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<v Speaker 1>We learned about this on the boat ride past uh

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<v Speaker 1>Bocacia Key actually about how in the early rich Miami

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<v Speaker 1>residents started building mansions on the keys as their vacation

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<v Speaker 1>home and party pads. Yes, as one does. And it's

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<v Speaker 1>just so laughably absurd and decadent, which I think is

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<v Speaker 1>why it's so like intriguing and hilarious, which it's just

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<v Speaker 1>like par for the course for humanity. Right. So you

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<v Speaker 1>have people like Mark C. Honey Well who had a

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<v Speaker 1>mansion on Bocacia Key, and he gave this mansion its

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<v Speaker 1>own lighthouse, which you can see today if you go

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<v Speaker 1>to Bocacia Key and it's one of the most photographed

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<v Speaker 1>sites in the park. It's gotten pretty iconic. And then

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<v Speaker 1>there was also the Coco Lobo k Club, which was

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<v Speaker 1>owned by rich party animals like Garfield Wood and b. B. Roboso,

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<v Speaker 1>who was actually close friends with President Nixon. And then

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<v Speaker 1>there's this whole another part of the park called Stiltsville,

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<v Speaker 1>the series of buildings that were built on stilts jutting

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<v Speaker 1>out of northern Biscayne Bay, and this served as a

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<v Speaker 1>gambling mecca and drinking den during Prohibition for a while. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>At its height, there were twenty seven different structures only

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<v Speaker 1>accessible by boat, but like most most things in this

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<v Speaker 1>part of the country, hurricanes made it very difficult destroyed

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<v Speaker 1>several of them. Once the remnants of Stiltsville was added

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<v Speaker 1>to the National Park in Night five, there were only

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<v Speaker 1>seven structures standing, and today you can visit them by permit. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>And as crazy and ridiculous as all of this lavishness

0:19:28.960 --> 0:19:31.760
<v Speaker 1>and for volity sounds, it didn't stop there. Some people

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<v Speaker 1>in South Florida weren't content with simply having island party mansions.

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<v Speaker 1>They also wanted to string all these keys together to

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<v Speaker 1>form a continuous driveable route from Miami out to q

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<v Speaker 1>West to capitalize more and more on tourism to the area. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>Since Key Largo was the first reachable by car, a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of people saw these similar keys and Biscayne Bay

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<v Speaker 1>as neglected or wasted, like they had no value of

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<v Speaker 1>their own, so they wanted to connect them all and

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<v Speaker 1>build homes on them too. And not only that, they

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<v Speaker 1>wanted to dredge up acreage from the bay to create

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<v Speaker 1>a jet port and a seaport, and then even established

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<v Speaker 1>this larger island city called Islandia, which is nuts. And

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<v Speaker 1>even though park Landian Islandia share of suffix, I do

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<v Speaker 1>not approve that, you know. No. Unfortunately, neither did a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of other advocates who wanted to protect the area

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<v Speaker 1>as a national park, including Juanita Green, a newspaper writer

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<v Speaker 1>for the Miami Herald, and even vacuum titan Herbert W.

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<v Speaker 1>Hoover Jr. Who visited the area as a young boy

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<v Speaker 1>and became obsessed with it and really appreciated and valued

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<v Speaker 1>it's you know, natural features, And so because of this

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<v Speaker 1>he tried to persuade government legislators to protect it by

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<v Speaker 1>taking them on blimp tours over the bay and showing

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<v Speaker 1>off how beautiful it was, like, I can't make the

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<v Speaker 1>stuff up blimp tours. No, you really can't. Uh. And

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<v Speaker 1>with the support for National Parks protection rising, these greeted

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<v Speaker 1>developers were getting angry and spiteful, so they decided to

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<v Speaker 1>bulldoze a six Lillon Highway and Eliott Key and hopes

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<v Speaker 1>that if they messed it up enough, no one would

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<v Speaker 1>want to protect it, after all, selfish monsters. It's just

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<v Speaker 1>it's so immature, right, It's like, oh, well, if we

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<v Speaker 1>can have it, then we're just going to mess it

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<v Speaker 1>all up and no one can have it. Horrible, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>the intent which is like such a sore loser mentality.

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<v Speaker 1>But despite all of this, in this ridiculous behavior, Biscayne

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<v Speaker 1>National Monument was first established in thanks to advocates like

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<v Speaker 1>Representative Dante Fascal, who the visitor center is now named after.

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<v Speaker 1>And then even better, that Spite Highway as it's called now,

0:21:33.400 --> 0:21:36.520
<v Speaker 1>which was they tore up to with the intent tarnished.

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<v Speaker 1>The land that's grown over naturally become the park's only

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<v Speaker 1>main hiking trail, and it's this miles long track through

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<v Speaker 1>tropical hardwood forest on Elliott Key, you know. So between

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<v Speaker 1>the party mansions and the gambling shacks and the coral

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<v Speaker 1>reef and spite, I think it's safe to say that

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<v Speaker 1>Biscayne National Park has some of the most colorful history

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<v Speaker 1>of any national park. Yeah, that history is definitely as

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<v Speaker 1>colorful as the reef itself, i'd say. And after this

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<v Speaker 1>quick break, we're gonna talk with our guests for this episode,

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<v Speaker 1>Sandra Ramos. Hi, I'm Matt and I'm Brad. This is

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<v Speaker 1>Park Glandia and today we're talking about Biscayne National Park

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<v Speaker 1>in Florida. Yes, and we are bringing on our special guest,

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<v Speaker 1>Sandra Ramos, also known as at National Park patch Lady

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<v Speaker 1>on an Instagram. And Um, we're so excited to talk

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<v Speaker 1>to Sandra because of her deep love and history of

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<v Speaker 1>Biscayne National Park. I mean, she's loves it so much

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<v Speaker 1>that she even has an art exhibit that was featured there,

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<v Speaker 1>her photography exhibit, and she's just such a wonderful resource

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<v Speaker 1>to our community of National Parks travelers. Yeah, she has

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<v Speaker 1>a real kinship with with bis gay now on park

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<v Speaker 1>its teams, and she's friends with the park rangers there.

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<v Speaker 1>She's been several times, so this is like one of

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<v Speaker 1>her spirit parks. It seems like, you know, we all

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<v Speaker 1>have these connections to different to different places, and this

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<v Speaker 1>is a place that she's not only super familiar with,

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<v Speaker 1>but and very experienced with, but a place that she

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<v Speaker 1>is just super passionate about. So we know that she'll

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<v Speaker 1>have a lot of great things to talk about with Biscayne,

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<v Speaker 1>and we're excited to learn more from her and also

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<v Speaker 1>just get more inspired because she's the most inspiring person

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<v Speaker 1>that I think we follow on Instagram, so and we

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<v Speaker 1>can't wait to dive into this. Yeah, we're huge Instagram

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<v Speaker 1>fans and now Instagram friends, and we're so excited to

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<v Speaker 1>have her on this week. So, Sandra, where were you

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<v Speaker 1>before National Parks became part of your life? Oh? Wow?

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<v Speaker 1>So I am. I grew up in New Orleans and

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<v Speaker 1>um moved to Los Angeles and uh my junior of

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<v Speaker 1>high school and I got really involved in politics. And

0:24:05.440 --> 0:24:07.720
<v Speaker 1>so I had spent the last twenty years running political

0:24:07.760 --> 0:24:11.879
<v Speaker 1>campaigns from Oregon State to Virginia. UM, and it was

0:24:11.920 --> 0:24:13.560
<v Speaker 1>a lot of fun. And so I sort of bounced

0:24:13.600 --> 0:24:19.000
<v Speaker 1>back between working for government officials and running political campaigns

0:24:19.160 --> 0:24:23.800
<v Speaker 1>and just sort of reached a point where, um, I

0:24:23.840 --> 0:24:25.520
<v Speaker 1>had I had just had enough, and I was just

0:24:25.560 --> 0:24:27.680
<v Speaker 1>exhausted because a lot of people don't realize that it's

0:24:27.680 --> 0:24:30.560
<v Speaker 1>a seven job and you don't really have a life.

0:24:30.600 --> 0:24:34.280
<v Speaker 1>And I really became burned out by it. So um yeah,

0:24:34.280 --> 0:24:38.840
<v Speaker 1>so before national parks sort of took over everything in anything,

0:24:38.880 --> 0:24:42.800
<v Speaker 1>including my house. Um, I was. I was, you know,

0:24:42.880 --> 0:24:46.880
<v Speaker 1>in the trenches, fighting the good fight. That's wonderful. When

0:24:47.000 --> 0:24:50.320
<v Speaker 1>I was in Illinois, I fought for marriage equality. Um.

0:24:50.760 --> 0:24:52.840
<v Speaker 1>And it was one of those things I was telling

0:24:52.840 --> 0:24:55.280
<v Speaker 1>my story of like serving during Don't Ask, Don't Tell

0:24:55.600 --> 0:24:59.600
<v Speaker 1>and it's a battle, and just being an extra person,

0:24:59.720 --> 0:25:01.720
<v Speaker 1>Like I mean, I knocked on seven thousand doors, talk

0:25:01.760 --> 0:25:05.000
<v Speaker 1>to twenty six different state representatives, the government villain at

0:25:05.040 --> 0:25:08.440
<v Speaker 1>two different times, like different things like that, and that

0:25:08.520 --> 0:25:12.800
<v Speaker 1>was enough. Like that was exhausting. I couldn't imagine actually

0:25:12.880 --> 0:25:16.800
<v Speaker 1>running these campaigns and working within the like interweb of them,

0:25:16.840 --> 0:25:21.280
<v Speaker 1>because like you're saying, it's seven, it's exhausting. Yeah, and

0:25:22.320 --> 0:25:24.359
<v Speaker 1>seven goes on for like a year and a half.

0:25:24.480 --> 0:25:27.080
<v Speaker 1>It's not like it's seven for a month or two.

0:25:27.560 --> 0:25:30.640
<v Speaker 1>It's a year and a half. And even when you're

0:25:30.640 --> 0:25:33.800
<v Speaker 1>on the government side doing policy, it's still your phone

0:25:33.880 --> 0:25:35.960
<v Speaker 1>is never turned off, your life is never your own,

0:25:36.040 --> 0:25:38.159
<v Speaker 1>and um, and it can take a toll on you,

0:25:38.200 --> 0:25:41.200
<v Speaker 1>for sure. Yeah. But you know, I never didn't believe

0:25:41.200 --> 0:25:42.640
<v Speaker 1>in what I was doing, and I think that that's

0:25:42.680 --> 0:25:44.480
<v Speaker 1>really what drove me for as long as I did.

0:25:44.880 --> 0:25:48.560
<v Speaker 1>Absolutely right. So nowadays you actually we see on your

0:25:48.600 --> 0:25:51.160
<v Speaker 1>Instagram that you hang out National park rangers all the time.

0:25:51.200 --> 0:25:54.800
<v Speaker 1>It's like you're a rock star. It's like they're the

0:25:54.880 --> 0:25:57.560
<v Speaker 1>rock stars. Really, I'm just sort of the groupie. I

0:25:57.600 --> 0:26:00.639
<v Speaker 1>love it because I just love seeing you traveling. You're

0:26:00.640 --> 0:26:03.840
<v Speaker 1>actually talking, You're having conversations with park rangers, and it's

0:26:04.240 --> 0:26:05.760
<v Speaker 1>a lot of people just don't do that, Like we

0:26:05.800 --> 0:26:09.080
<v Speaker 1>haven't really we've done that on tours, um and different things,

0:26:09.119 --> 0:26:12.320
<v Speaker 1>but just it's really beautiful to see you just really

0:26:12.359 --> 0:26:14.639
<v Speaker 1>digging in there and finding out the important parts of

0:26:14.720 --> 0:26:19.679
<v Speaker 1>National parks. Thanks you know for me. Um, you know,

0:26:19.760 --> 0:26:23.200
<v Speaker 1>I've spent time, money, money, and energy to get there.

0:26:23.440 --> 0:26:26.840
<v Speaker 1>And um. One of the things I learned really early

0:26:26.920 --> 0:26:31.040
<v Speaker 1>on in my National Parks travels is the park rangers

0:26:31.080 --> 0:26:36.000
<v Speaker 1>are immense resources. And one of the things that I

0:26:36.080 --> 0:26:39.320
<v Speaker 1>sort of developed and in the process was the first

0:26:39.320 --> 0:26:41.679
<v Speaker 1>thing I do is go to a visitor center, find

0:26:42.040 --> 0:26:46.119
<v Speaker 1>a friendly park ranger, and ask one question, which is

0:26:46.920 --> 0:26:50.679
<v Speaker 1>what is your favorite part of the park. Yes, And

0:26:51.240 --> 0:26:54.440
<v Speaker 1>because I'm now getting firsthand from a person whose job

0:26:54.480 --> 0:26:57.960
<v Speaker 1>it is as a steward of that land and knows

0:26:58.000 --> 0:27:01.440
<v Speaker 1>it better than anyone. It. Not only am I engaging

0:27:01.480 --> 0:27:04.040
<v Speaker 1>them personally and wanting to learn about them, which I'm

0:27:04.040 --> 0:27:06.840
<v Speaker 1>sure they don't get very often, but I get to

0:27:06.920 --> 0:27:09.440
<v Speaker 1>learn about the best parts of the park that most

0:27:09.440 --> 0:27:12.840
<v Speaker 1>people don't ask about. Absolutely so, so it's become a

0:27:12.920 --> 0:27:16.440
<v Speaker 1>ritual of mine. And it's really how I've formed bonds

0:27:16.480 --> 0:27:21.879
<v Speaker 1>with um, really amazing people with a wealth of knowledge

0:27:22.040 --> 0:27:24.679
<v Speaker 1>that I couldn't even scratch the surface on. And and

0:27:24.720 --> 0:27:28.399
<v Speaker 1>these folks are just so enthusiastic and wonderful um and

0:27:28.400 --> 0:27:30.919
<v Speaker 1>so it's really been a pleasure to meet them and

0:27:30.960 --> 0:27:34.160
<v Speaker 1>become friends. And I'm just honored that did I get

0:27:34.200 --> 0:27:36.480
<v Speaker 1>to hang out with them? Yeah, you just actually change

0:27:36.560 --> 0:27:39.520
<v Speaker 1>the way I think we visit national parks because when

0:27:39.520 --> 0:27:42.199
<v Speaker 1>you go up, we asked like the normal questions, and

0:27:42.600 --> 0:27:45.280
<v Speaker 1>you know, we don't. I think there's a there's an

0:27:45.400 --> 0:27:49.399
<v Speaker 1>art art of conversation really is like it's kind of

0:27:49.440 --> 0:27:53.159
<v Speaker 1>like when you're sitting down at a restaurant and you

0:27:53.160 --> 0:27:56.159
<v Speaker 1>can either just order your food and not look at

0:27:56.160 --> 0:27:57.840
<v Speaker 1>the waitress, or you can turn your whole body to

0:27:57.920 --> 0:28:01.840
<v Speaker 1>that waitress and ask her different questions about our life

0:28:01.840 --> 0:28:04.520
<v Speaker 1>and just simple things like how's your like, how's your

0:28:04.560 --> 0:28:07.000
<v Speaker 1>day going, but like that true eye contact to where

0:28:07.040 --> 0:28:10.000
<v Speaker 1>they actually feel like you're talking to them versus it's like,

0:28:10.080 --> 0:28:12.159
<v Speaker 1>you know, we've made that mistake where we're just like

0:28:12.400 --> 0:28:15.480
<v Speaker 1>we go into a National park and we're like, where's

0:28:15.520 --> 0:28:19.359
<v Speaker 1>the map? Like where can I collect this? You know,

0:28:19.600 --> 0:28:23.440
<v Speaker 1>where can I collect my patches? Right? Right? But you

0:28:23.560 --> 0:28:25.960
<v Speaker 1>can really just change that conversation by like, you know,

0:28:26.000 --> 0:28:28.600
<v Speaker 1>the way that you approach a park ranger. And I

0:28:28.640 --> 0:28:30.560
<v Speaker 1>think that that's probably what you're really great at. I

0:28:30.560 --> 0:28:33.040
<v Speaker 1>can see that within you. It shows through in your

0:28:33.080 --> 0:28:36.639
<v Speaker 1>Instagram at National Park patch lady, and so I just

0:28:36.720 --> 0:28:40.360
<v Speaker 1>really really love that. And where did actually that come from?

0:28:40.360 --> 0:28:44.040
<v Speaker 1>Where did National Parks patches? Good question? Oh, it's so

0:28:44.280 --> 0:28:49.480
<v Speaker 1>it's it's sort of embarrassing. Um. So when I started

0:28:49.520 --> 0:28:53.520
<v Speaker 1>this journey, part of so, I have a really weird

0:28:53.560 --> 0:28:55.800
<v Speaker 1>o c D where I just you know, collect things,

0:28:56.000 --> 0:28:58.960
<v Speaker 1>and and so my house is sort of a hodgepodge

0:28:59.000 --> 0:29:01.720
<v Speaker 1>of collections. And one of the things in National Parks

0:29:01.760 --> 0:29:03.280
<v Speaker 1>that I really dug where the patches, you know, you

0:29:03.280 --> 0:29:05.680
<v Speaker 1>see them on people's backpacks and whatnot. So I just

0:29:05.720 --> 0:29:08.360
<v Speaker 1>started this collection and throwing me in a box. And

0:29:08.440 --> 0:29:11.520
<v Speaker 1>a friend of mine had come over and we were

0:29:11.520 --> 0:29:13.760
<v Speaker 1>talking about it one day and and he decided to

0:29:13.800 --> 0:29:17.360
<v Speaker 1>create a meme of a photograph that a friend took

0:29:17.360 --> 0:29:19.000
<v Speaker 1>of me and sort of a dark bar and a

0:29:19.080 --> 0:29:21.480
<v Speaker 1>dark leather chair with just sort of like a spotlight

0:29:21.560 --> 0:29:24.240
<v Speaker 1>sliver of light coming through the window, and and he

0:29:24.440 --> 0:29:28.040
<v Speaker 1>the meme said National Park Patch Lady on the History Channel,

0:29:29.920 --> 0:29:32.200
<v Speaker 1>and he posted it and my friends were like, oh

0:29:32.240 --> 0:29:35.520
<v Speaker 1>my god, we would totally watch that. And because I,

0:29:35.760 --> 0:29:38.320
<v Speaker 1>you know, I sort of became this nerd of history

0:29:38.440 --> 0:29:41.080
<v Speaker 1>because of my love of politics and sociology, and it's

0:29:41.080 --> 0:29:42.840
<v Speaker 1>one of the things that I that really drew me

0:29:42.880 --> 0:29:45.560
<v Speaker 1>to the parks, right, was was all of the things

0:29:45.560 --> 0:29:49.960
<v Speaker 1>that I missed about being in politics once I retired. Um,

0:29:50.000 --> 0:29:53.320
<v Speaker 1>but I didn't know how to sort of have that outlet,

0:29:53.360 --> 0:29:54.920
<v Speaker 1>and so so they just sort of laughed at me

0:29:54.920 --> 0:29:57.360
<v Speaker 1>because I always get these weird you know, oh my god,

0:29:57.400 --> 0:29:59.959
<v Speaker 1>this is my new obsession. Only the only this one

0:30:00.040 --> 0:30:02.160
<v Speaker 1>has carried on for seven years now, so there's sort

0:30:02.160 --> 0:30:05.240
<v Speaker 1>of like, oh, I guess she's in for the long haul. Um.

0:30:05.760 --> 0:30:08.880
<v Speaker 1>So yeah, So it started as a meme um of

0:30:09.080 --> 0:30:13.120
<v Speaker 1>a friend of mine trying to mock me. Well, thank you,

0:30:14.760 --> 0:30:18.120
<v Speaker 1>thank your friend for us, because well, yeah, so it's

0:30:18.160 --> 0:30:19.960
<v Speaker 1>sort of funny. So yeah, so I sort of adopted it,

0:30:20.040 --> 0:30:22.760
<v Speaker 1>and then a really beautiful friend of mine in Denver

0:30:22.920 --> 0:30:25.200
<v Speaker 1>created a logo and then it just sort of took off.

0:30:25.240 --> 0:30:30.360
<v Speaker 1>So it's um yeah, wow, I love that. Thank you. Well.

0:30:30.400 --> 0:30:33.240
<v Speaker 1>I have a question for you, and this one before

0:30:33.280 --> 0:30:36.760
<v Speaker 1>we kind of talked about Biscayne in that park, was

0:30:36.920 --> 0:30:39.600
<v Speaker 1>I know that you have a special connection with Getty's

0:30:39.680 --> 0:30:42.960
<v Speaker 1>very in particular. I remember when we were talking about

0:30:43.000 --> 0:30:46.600
<v Speaker 1>on an Instagram when Gettysburg episode came out, and then

0:30:46.640 --> 0:30:48.800
<v Speaker 1>I saw a mention of it when I was at Biscayne,

0:30:48.840 --> 0:30:51.720
<v Speaker 1>and I saw your photography exhibit, which we'll talk about

0:30:51.800 --> 0:30:54.200
<v Speaker 1>later too. So I know you how it seems like

0:30:54.240 --> 0:30:57.120
<v Speaker 1>you had a pretty formative experience there, is that, right?

0:30:57.880 --> 0:31:02.520
<v Speaker 1>I did? Um? So about nine years ago I retired

0:31:02.560 --> 0:31:07.200
<v Speaker 1>from my political career for a variety of reasons including, um,

0:31:07.240 --> 0:31:13.120
<v Speaker 1>it just battered me physically and emotionally. UM. I ended

0:31:13.200 --> 0:31:19.680
<v Speaker 1>up on the verge of of manic depression and bipolar disorder. UM,

0:31:19.720 --> 0:31:22.800
<v Speaker 1>and so I had to leave a situation I also

0:31:23.120 --> 0:31:26.360
<v Speaker 1>developed an alcoholic problem and um, and so I knew

0:31:26.360 --> 0:31:28.000
<v Speaker 1>that I needed to get out and get healthy, and

0:31:28.000 --> 0:31:31.080
<v Speaker 1>I didn't know how to do that. UM. And at

0:31:31.080 --> 0:31:34.640
<v Speaker 1>the time, I had just moved back to Washington, d C.

0:31:35.600 --> 0:31:37.560
<v Speaker 1>Which is sort of the epicenter of politics, and trying

0:31:37.560 --> 0:31:39.720
<v Speaker 1>to retire from politics and being in the epicenter of

0:31:39.720 --> 0:31:45.120
<v Speaker 1>it is you know, not exactly a healthy environment. But

0:31:45.160 --> 0:31:49.200
<v Speaker 1>I really had no choice at that point. Um. And so, UM,

0:31:49.240 --> 0:31:52.120
<v Speaker 1>trying to navigate Washington, d C. While not being in

0:31:52.160 --> 0:31:56.080
<v Speaker 1>politics is really really difficult and sort of didn't help

0:31:56.600 --> 0:31:59.200
<v Speaker 1>my my mental state. And a friend of mine who

0:31:59.200 --> 0:32:01.120
<v Speaker 1>I had worked with on the Hill was going to

0:32:01.240 --> 0:32:04.320
<v Speaker 1>go out to Gettysburg and Antietam and invited me to

0:32:04.320 --> 0:32:07.080
<v Speaker 1>sort of tag along, and you know, and and I

0:32:07.120 --> 0:32:09.000
<v Speaker 1>didn't really think anything of it, And honestly, I didn't

0:32:09.040 --> 0:32:11.520
<v Speaker 1>really even want to go. But I will tell you

0:32:11.560 --> 0:32:16.280
<v Speaker 1>that I arrived, and um, it was everything that I

0:32:16.360 --> 0:32:19.360
<v Speaker 1>didn't know I needed in my life. Is really the

0:32:19.400 --> 0:32:23.320
<v Speaker 1>only way to explain it. Um. It was nature, it

0:32:23.400 --> 0:32:26.080
<v Speaker 1>was open space, it was history. It was the love

0:32:26.120 --> 0:32:28.960
<v Speaker 1>of our country. It was being a patriot. It was

0:32:29.400 --> 0:32:36.360
<v Speaker 1>the everything that I wanted. UM. And I started crying,

0:32:36.800 --> 0:32:39.040
<v Speaker 1>and we spent twenty four hours in Gettysburg and we

0:32:39.040 --> 0:32:41.560
<v Speaker 1>went on to Antietam, and again it was this powerful

0:32:41.640 --> 0:32:45.400
<v Speaker 1>emotional connection for me. And I was really embarrassed because

0:32:45.440 --> 0:32:47.880
<v Speaker 1>having been a congressional staffer, I had never really paid

0:32:47.880 --> 0:32:51.200
<v Speaker 1>attention to the National Park Service. And I sort of

0:32:51.200 --> 0:32:53.120
<v Speaker 1>beat myself up over it now, thinking there was so

0:32:53.200 --> 0:32:55.800
<v Speaker 1>much I could have done in that position to help

0:32:55.840 --> 0:32:57.880
<v Speaker 1>the parks, but I just didn't. I just didn't have

0:32:57.920 --> 0:33:01.160
<v Speaker 1>the awareness. Um. And so when I got back home

0:33:01.920 --> 0:33:04.200
<v Speaker 1>to d C, I researched the National Park Service and

0:33:04.280 --> 0:33:06.040
<v Speaker 1>realized at the time, I think there were four d

0:33:06.320 --> 0:33:10.480
<v Speaker 1>eight National Park sites, and realized that that was an

0:33:10.520 --> 0:33:17.040
<v Speaker 1>amazing mission to sort of give myself. And it's sort

0:33:17.040 --> 0:33:22.680
<v Speaker 1>of filled a void of of a lot of things

0:33:22.680 --> 0:33:24.840
<v Speaker 1>that I needed in my life. And I will tell

0:33:24.880 --> 0:33:31.000
<v Speaker 1>you that the parks have really saved me it. Um.

0:33:31.280 --> 0:33:33.120
<v Speaker 1>Nature is a place for us to relax. Nature is

0:33:33.160 --> 0:33:36.120
<v Speaker 1>a place for us to connect with our humanity and ourselves,

0:33:36.280 --> 0:33:41.720
<v Speaker 1>and um had I don't think if I had connected

0:33:41.840 --> 0:33:46.600
<v Speaker 1>and found the National Parks when I did, UM, I

0:33:46.600 --> 0:33:49.000
<v Speaker 1>would not be where I am today. I would not

0:33:49.080 --> 0:33:52.480
<v Speaker 1>be in a healthy emotional space where I feel like

0:33:53.240 --> 0:33:55.000
<v Speaker 1>not only am I learning and growing as a person,

0:33:55.040 --> 0:34:00.120
<v Speaker 1>but I am able to to be in nature. I'm

0:34:00.160 --> 0:34:06.960
<v Speaker 1>literally cry because because that's it, Like what what these

0:34:07.080 --> 0:34:11.680
<v Speaker 1>national parks bring us? I mean, I swear that you know,

0:34:11.760 --> 0:34:15.520
<v Speaker 1>for for us, it didn't just bring us close together.

0:34:15.600 --> 0:34:19.480
<v Speaker 1>I believe it truly just saved relationship, uh and our

0:34:19.560 --> 0:34:22.480
<v Speaker 1>marriage and everything, you know, And it's just beautiful to

0:34:22.480 --> 0:34:29.000
<v Speaker 1>see how these national parks save us from ourselves from depression, anxiety,

0:34:29.080 --> 0:34:33.920
<v Speaker 1>from relationship issues too, being just like swamped in everyday

0:34:33.920 --> 0:34:39.799
<v Speaker 1>life and everything you just said was just so spot on.

0:34:40.000 --> 0:34:42.480
<v Speaker 1>It was, yeah, I mean yeah, and there's so much

0:34:42.520 --> 0:34:45.000
<v Speaker 1>stigma around mental health issues, right, but when you're when

0:34:45.000 --> 0:34:48.000
<v Speaker 1>you're in nature and when you're in the parks, you

0:34:48.080 --> 0:34:50.120
<v Speaker 1>don't have that, and all of a sudden, all of

0:34:50.160 --> 0:34:53.279
<v Speaker 1>those panic attacks you have and all the anxiety just disappears,

0:34:53.280 --> 0:34:55.480
<v Speaker 1>and for for a brief moment, you can just be

0:34:56.400 --> 0:35:00.400
<v Speaker 1>who you are and you know, every I don't know

0:35:00.440 --> 0:35:03.719
<v Speaker 1>anyone who's never felt magical in a park? Have you?

0:35:04.040 --> 0:35:06.799
<v Speaker 1>Have you all ever met anybody amazing in a park?

0:35:07.880 --> 0:35:10.359
<v Speaker 1>And so it just I think it just brings out

0:35:10.400 --> 0:35:14.240
<v Speaker 1>the best in us. And I really want to believe that. Um,

0:35:14.280 --> 0:35:16.320
<v Speaker 1>And so you know, for me, the parks are everything,

0:35:16.480 --> 0:35:18.919
<v Speaker 1>and and all of this is not about anything other

0:35:18.960 --> 0:35:22.520
<v Speaker 1>than I want more people to enjoy the parks, particularly

0:35:23.120 --> 0:35:25.960
<v Speaker 1>the smaller parks that that don't get as much attention.

0:35:26.040 --> 0:35:28.600
<v Speaker 1>Absolutely yes, And that's one of our biggest goals is

0:35:28.760 --> 0:35:32.080
<v Speaker 1>to introduce all these different parts outside of the big

0:35:32.160 --> 0:35:36.399
<v Speaker 1>national parks. The sea shores, the monuments. Oh yeah, all

0:35:36.440 --> 0:35:39.680
<v Speaker 1>of those are just so gorgeous. And that's why we

0:35:40.080 --> 0:35:42.640
<v Speaker 1>brought Season two to be a national park, a national

0:35:42.680 --> 0:35:45.719
<v Speaker 1>sea shore National park, to mix it up and just

0:35:45.760 --> 0:35:49.080
<v Speaker 1>really show people that there's nature in their backyard. They

0:35:49.080 --> 0:35:50.960
<v Speaker 1>just have to look right. Yeah, and I think this

0:35:51.080 --> 0:35:54.960
<v Speaker 1>is actually perfect seas. The thing I was proferencing earlier

0:35:55.000 --> 0:35:59.040
<v Speaker 1>was you had a photography exhibit at Biscayne National Park

0:35:59.160 --> 0:36:01.080
<v Speaker 1>and I saw it. I was. I went down there

0:36:01.080 --> 0:36:02.919
<v Speaker 1>and I saw it. Luckily, I think I was there

0:36:02.920 --> 0:36:05.360
<v Speaker 1>like the last week. I think you mentioned that I

0:36:05.440 --> 0:36:09.080
<v Speaker 1>was running and that was the topic of this exhibit

0:36:09.120 --> 0:36:11.880
<v Speaker 1>where these last renowned national parks, and I thought that

0:36:11.960 --> 0:36:14.479
<v Speaker 1>was so wonderful to see them highlighted, and not only

0:36:14.480 --> 0:36:18.520
<v Speaker 1>were the photos gorgeous, but like so much fascinating information

0:36:18.719 --> 0:36:23.200
<v Speaker 1>helpful information, incredible insight. So I would love to hear

0:36:23.239 --> 0:36:26.239
<v Speaker 1>more about that exhibit and how you compiled it and

0:36:26.280 --> 0:36:28.759
<v Speaker 1>what kind of you know, led to that happening in

0:36:28.840 --> 0:36:32.160
<v Speaker 1>at Biscay National Park in particular to please sure well,

0:36:32.400 --> 0:36:34.320
<v Speaker 1>thank well, I appreciate you visiting and thank you so

0:36:34.400 --> 0:36:36.400
<v Speaker 1>much for the kind runes about it. Um, it was

0:36:36.480 --> 0:36:38.800
<v Speaker 1>really a labor of love. You know. I've been traveling

0:36:38.800 --> 0:36:43.560
<v Speaker 1>to national parks for seven years now, and UM, it's

0:36:43.920 --> 0:36:46.279
<v Speaker 1>you know, I've always sort of had a camera in

0:36:46.320 --> 0:36:48.839
<v Speaker 1>my hand, but I never took it seriously until I

0:36:48.840 --> 0:36:50.680
<v Speaker 1>retired from politics and didn't know what I wanted to

0:36:50.680 --> 0:36:53.239
<v Speaker 1>do with my life and so UM, so I just

0:36:53.280 --> 0:36:57.799
<v Speaker 1>had this collection of photos and three issue years ago

0:36:59.000 --> 0:37:03.200
<v Speaker 1>got up enough nerve to start an Instagram account, um

0:37:03.239 --> 0:37:06.919
<v Speaker 1>and start putting them online and have made tremendous friends.

0:37:06.920 --> 0:37:10.960
<v Speaker 1>I mean, that's how we met, which I'm extraordinarily grateful for. Um.

0:37:11.000 --> 0:37:13.920
<v Speaker 1>You know, and in that process, you know, had conversations

0:37:13.920 --> 0:37:18.040
<v Speaker 1>with people about, um, the stories of these parks and

0:37:18.040 --> 0:37:19.759
<v Speaker 1>and what direction I wanted to do, and that was

0:37:19.840 --> 0:37:23.160
<v Speaker 1>really important for me. Is a history geek and a

0:37:23.239 --> 0:37:25.680
<v Speaker 1>sociology geek, and all of those things at the park

0:37:25.920 --> 0:37:27.759
<v Speaker 1>that I really love about the parks. I wanted to

0:37:27.800 --> 0:37:30.960
<v Speaker 1>share those stories, and so that's sort of my goal

0:37:31.160 --> 0:37:35.840
<v Speaker 1>is to to talk about those and so UM a

0:37:35.920 --> 0:37:38.239
<v Speaker 1>few years ago, when I was down in Biscay National Park,

0:37:38.400 --> 0:37:42.880
<v Speaker 1>I had met ranger Gary Bremen, who has since become

0:37:42.920 --> 0:37:47.000
<v Speaker 1>a very dear close friend of mine, and he um

0:37:47.200 --> 0:37:51.520
<v Speaker 1>graciously asked if I wanted to exhibit my work at Biscayne,

0:37:51.520 --> 0:37:56.040
<v Speaker 1>and I think I started crying and then I went

0:37:56.040 --> 0:37:58.200
<v Speaker 1>into denials, like no, you don't really want my work,

0:37:58.239 --> 0:38:01.799
<v Speaker 1>and it was like um, and then UM then sort

0:38:01.840 --> 0:38:04.080
<v Speaker 1>of really thought about it. And one of the passions

0:38:04.080 --> 0:38:07.120
<v Speaker 1>that he and I both share is the passions for

0:38:07.160 --> 0:38:11.040
<v Speaker 1>the smaller parks, right the historical parks, the national landmarks,

0:38:11.080 --> 0:38:14.360
<v Speaker 1>the national monuments, the national sea shores, because those to

0:38:14.520 --> 0:38:17.160
<v Speaker 1>me really represent America. I mean the big sixty one.

0:38:18.640 --> 0:38:20.640
<v Speaker 1>You can you can ask anyone in America and they

0:38:20.680 --> 0:38:23.560
<v Speaker 1>can probably name three or four big national parks. But

0:38:23.600 --> 0:38:26.520
<v Speaker 1>if you ask them about a monument, a military park,

0:38:26.560 --> 0:38:30.680
<v Speaker 1>a battlefield, you're that number is going to get significantly smaller.

0:38:30.719 --> 0:38:37.719
<v Speaker 1>But there's so much more to me, Um, what the

0:38:37.800 --> 0:38:41.919
<v Speaker 1>real national park is to me, That's what really. I mean,

0:38:42.239 --> 0:38:44.680
<v Speaker 1>they have the nature and the sweeping landscapes, but they

0:38:44.719 --> 0:38:49.520
<v Speaker 1>also have so much more UM and so I sort

0:38:49.520 --> 0:38:53.239
<v Speaker 1>of decided on beyond the icons and really focus on

0:38:54.000 --> 0:38:56.399
<v Speaker 1>parks that are maybe some some of them were big

0:38:56.400 --> 0:38:58.920
<v Speaker 1>sixty one parks for sure, but are lesser known like

0:39:00.000 --> 0:39:04.240
<v Speaker 1>Guadalipe Mountains, like Big bend Um, but also talked about

0:39:04.440 --> 0:39:07.279
<v Speaker 1>you know, places like New Orleans Jazz. Who knew that

0:39:07.320 --> 0:39:10.440
<v Speaker 1>the entire city of New Orleans was a National historical

0:39:10.440 --> 0:39:13.040
<v Speaker 1>site to in fact, if you cautage on Lafitte National

0:39:13.120 --> 0:39:16.239
<v Speaker 1>Historical Park right UM. You know places like Maggie L.

0:39:16.360 --> 0:39:20.560
<v Speaker 1>Walker National Historical Park in UM Richmond, Virginia, which is

0:39:20.600 --> 0:39:23.960
<v Speaker 1>my favorite national historical park. UM. It's about a woman

0:39:24.040 --> 0:39:27.080
<v Speaker 1>who was the first president of a bank in the

0:39:27.160 --> 0:39:30.719
<v Speaker 1>United States shortly after the Civil War, African American woman

0:39:30.719 --> 0:39:33.880
<v Speaker 1>in the seat of the Confederacy, who fought for for education,

0:39:33.920 --> 0:39:36.600
<v Speaker 1>who fought for financial freedoms for these folks who didn't

0:39:36.640 --> 0:39:39.440
<v Speaker 1>have that access. Who was you know, who was a

0:39:39.680 --> 0:39:43.640
<v Speaker 1>a a peer of people like W. E. B. Du

0:39:43.719 --> 0:39:47.120
<v Speaker 1>Boys who but you never hear her name, and the

0:39:47.360 --> 0:39:50.239
<v Speaker 1>keep and the park keeps her story alive and keeps

0:39:50.239 --> 0:39:53.480
<v Speaker 1>her family alive um and so those kind of places

0:39:53.520 --> 0:39:55.720
<v Speaker 1>just really fascinate me. And so that's what the exhibit

0:39:55.760 --> 0:39:59.799
<v Speaker 1>was about, was really highlighting smaller parks that have amazing

0:40:00.000 --> 0:40:03.080
<v Speaker 1>stories that we should all know. Yes, I think the

0:40:03.160 --> 0:40:06.400
<v Speaker 1>wildlife and ecology of the sixty one are huge, but

0:40:06.480 --> 0:40:08.640
<v Speaker 1>then there's so much more of the history of who

0:40:08.640 --> 0:40:12.560
<v Speaker 1>we are as human beings in America that really are

0:40:12.640 --> 0:40:16.440
<v Speaker 1>highlighted in outside of that sixty one. And that's exactly

0:40:16.480 --> 0:40:19.560
<v Speaker 1>what you know, we found. Um we recently we just

0:40:19.640 --> 0:40:24.479
<v Speaker 1>went to um I'm gonna slaughter this name Oak McGhee, yeah,

0:40:23.520 --> 0:40:28.879
<v Speaker 1>ok Malgi sorry, Okamogie, which is a National monument and

0:40:29.920 --> 0:40:34.040
<v Speaker 1>it was about the Native American history and heritage before

0:40:34.719 --> 0:40:38.120
<v Speaker 1>you know, these lands were taken and then afterwards the

0:40:38.800 --> 0:40:41.399
<v Speaker 1>digging of it, in the archaeology behind it, and it's

0:40:42.440 --> 0:40:46.920
<v Speaker 1>it's been inhabited by people for seventeen thousand years, and

0:40:46.960 --> 0:40:50.200
<v Speaker 1>it's like it's just this beautiful piece of history that's like,

0:40:51.760 --> 0:40:54.319
<v Speaker 1>we need to shine more lights on those. Um and

0:40:54.400 --> 0:40:57.560
<v Speaker 1>when we find our parks and realize that there's like

0:40:57.560 --> 0:41:01.560
<v Speaker 1>four nineteen now right, yeah, I mean and and and

0:41:01.600 --> 0:41:03.840
<v Speaker 1>the folks who you know, the caretakers the park rangers.

0:41:03.880 --> 0:41:06.399
<v Speaker 1>One of one of my favorite experiences was going down

0:41:06.400 --> 0:41:11.040
<v Speaker 1>to Cane River Creole in um Nacodish Louisiana and talking

0:41:11.080 --> 0:41:14.560
<v Speaker 1>with um and oh God, I'm gonna I'm gonna totally

0:41:14.640 --> 0:41:18.640
<v Speaker 1>mess this up. He isn't and throw e throw wait

0:41:18.760 --> 0:41:24.279
<v Speaker 1>and throw Ethno archaeologist UM ranger Dusty fou Quad down

0:41:24.280 --> 0:41:26.840
<v Speaker 1>in Cane River and he took me through the collection

0:41:26.920 --> 0:41:28.480
<v Speaker 1>and it was just amazing. And I grew up in

0:41:28.480 --> 0:41:32.000
<v Speaker 1>New Orleans and so I thought I knew Louisiana history. Man.

0:41:32.280 --> 0:41:36.880
<v Speaker 1>Learning about that kind of stuff was just just soul shaking.

0:41:36.920 --> 0:41:38.759
<v Speaker 1>I mean, it was just beautiful because you know, they

0:41:38.800 --> 0:41:42.480
<v Speaker 1>have they've excavated parts of the old plantation and they

0:41:42.560 --> 0:41:45.680
<v Speaker 1>really keep those stories of of the locals and and

0:41:45.800 --> 0:41:49.280
<v Speaker 1>the settlers alive, and it's just really beautiful and so

0:41:49.280 --> 0:41:51.239
<v Speaker 1>so yeah, I mean, the small parks just can have

0:41:51.400 --> 0:41:54.279
<v Speaker 1>so much if you just take the time and open

0:41:54.360 --> 0:41:57.200
<v Speaker 1>your eyes and slow down and really learn and and

0:41:57.280 --> 0:42:00.239
<v Speaker 1>be open to it. Absolutely and for sure it there

0:42:00.280 --> 0:42:02.560
<v Speaker 1>in a couple of weeks, so now we know definitely

0:42:02.680 --> 0:42:08.479
<v Speaker 1>where we're going. Give range your Dusty ring, Hey Dusty, Hey, Dusty, Yeah,

0:42:08.560 --> 0:42:12.400
<v Speaker 1>you got a friend around me? Sounds great. Make make

0:42:12.480 --> 0:42:15.560
<v Speaker 1>him buy you nakadish meat pies. That's where it's nakadish

0:42:15.600 --> 0:42:19.879
<v Speaker 1>meat pies. You just won Matt's heart over because oh,

0:42:20.480 --> 0:42:25.600
<v Speaker 1>I know, I know what I'm doing. I just want

0:42:25.640 --> 0:42:27.520
<v Speaker 1>to learn a little bit more about you. So tell

0:42:27.600 --> 0:42:31.120
<v Speaker 1>us a little bit about yourself. Yeah. So I'm currently

0:42:31.120 --> 0:42:34.080
<v Speaker 1>based in Fort Worth, Texas. I just moved here this

0:42:34.120 --> 0:42:37.680
<v Speaker 1>past year from spending fifteen years in Austin, and I

0:42:37.719 --> 0:42:40.960
<v Speaker 1>am the education director at Fort Worth Camera, where I

0:42:41.080 --> 0:42:44.440
<v Speaker 1>create and put together and teach classes on photography of

0:42:44.480 --> 0:42:49.000
<v Speaker 1>all sorts um and also including workshops in the National parks.

0:42:49.000 --> 0:42:51.120
<v Speaker 1>We're going to Big Bend in Washington, d C. And

0:42:51.160 --> 0:42:53.799
<v Speaker 1>a couple of other great spots next year. So, um,

0:42:53.840 --> 0:42:56.439
<v Speaker 1>if you happen to want to join us, fort Worth

0:42:56.440 --> 0:42:59.640
<v Speaker 1>Camera dot Com is the place to find us. Um,

0:42:59.640 --> 0:43:02.160
<v Speaker 1>you know. And and I've got lots of friends. I

0:43:02.200 --> 0:43:03.880
<v Speaker 1>was just gonna say briefly, I've got lots of friends

0:43:03.880 --> 0:43:05.880
<v Speaker 1>in other parts of national park stuff. And so if

0:43:05.920 --> 0:43:09.520
<v Speaker 1>y'all are really interested in photography, I would also suggest

0:43:09.560 --> 0:43:11.880
<v Speaker 1>y'all look at um National parks at night. They do

0:43:11.960 --> 0:43:14.400
<v Speaker 1>some really great astro photography stuff, and so that's kind

0:43:14.400 --> 0:43:18.279
<v Speaker 1>of how I learned my astro photography. So, um, yeah, well,

0:43:18.320 --> 0:43:20.840
<v Speaker 1>I just think that National parks are just so beautiful

0:43:20.960 --> 0:43:25.120
<v Speaker 1>and Biscayne there's so much to unpack their. Um, what

0:43:25.120 --> 0:43:30.920
<v Speaker 1>what are some of your favorite parks National Park? Oh, Biscayne. Um.

0:43:30.960 --> 0:43:35.440
<v Speaker 1>I had the beautiful experience of camping out on Elliott

0:43:35.520 --> 0:43:38.040
<v Speaker 1>Key one night. Um, but you don't get to do

0:43:38.160 --> 0:43:41.080
<v Speaker 1>very often, and so that was really great. Um. I

0:43:41.239 --> 0:43:47.160
<v Speaker 1>love going out to Jones Lagoon. So my friend ranger

0:43:47.239 --> 0:43:50.640
<v Speaker 1>Gary got married there with his beautiful husband Roger um

0:43:51.320 --> 0:43:55.400
<v Speaker 1>and um, and so Jones Lagoon, paddling out there is

0:43:55.719 --> 0:43:58.319
<v Speaker 1>always one of the one of the highlights. But you know,

0:43:58.400 --> 0:44:00.960
<v Speaker 1>even just the boat trip out to Boccaci h. I was.

0:44:01.800 --> 0:44:03.360
<v Speaker 1>I was going through my photos the other day, and

0:44:03.440 --> 0:44:08.200
<v Speaker 1>I think that I have nineteen different ways that I

0:44:08.239 --> 0:44:13.560
<v Speaker 1>have photographed the Hallowell Ornamental Lighthouse on Boca Cheetah and so,

0:44:14.640 --> 0:44:16.160
<v Speaker 1>you know, So for folks who go to a park

0:44:16.160 --> 0:44:18.440
<v Speaker 1>and say, Okay, I've checked the box, I would like

0:44:18.520 --> 0:44:21.279
<v Speaker 1>to argue that there is something to be said for

0:44:21.320 --> 0:44:23.480
<v Speaker 1>going back to a park again and again and really

0:44:23.520 --> 0:44:25.920
<v Speaker 1>experiencing it in different ways, in different times of the year,

0:44:25.960 --> 0:44:27.919
<v Speaker 1>in different days of part of part of the day,

0:44:28.040 --> 0:44:30.279
<v Speaker 1>whatever it is, um, and just really enjoy the park

0:44:30.320 --> 0:44:33.440
<v Speaker 1>as opposed to sort of checking the box absolutely as

0:44:33.480 --> 0:44:39.600
<v Speaker 1>a flag. It's not about the box. It's about the experience.

0:44:39.719 --> 0:44:43.319
<v Speaker 1>And you know, Um, I'm fortunate to have made friends

0:44:43.320 --> 0:44:45.560
<v Speaker 1>with a park ranger down there who was just amazing

0:44:46.000 --> 0:44:49.720
<v Speaker 1>and um, but I think I would go back again

0:44:49.760 --> 0:44:53.839
<v Speaker 1>and again regardless. Yes, as soon as you go. Once

0:44:54.080 --> 0:44:57.680
<v Speaker 1>you learn a surface level, right, you go back, you

0:44:57.760 --> 0:44:59.640
<v Speaker 1>get another layer, and then you realize, oh my gosh,

0:44:59.680 --> 0:45:02.960
<v Speaker 1>there's more there, and then it just keeps on going

0:45:03.000 --> 0:45:06.799
<v Speaker 1>and going and going because there's just there's so much

0:45:06.840 --> 0:45:11.080
<v Speaker 1>history and culture there that you can dedicate your whole

0:45:11.120 --> 0:45:13.920
<v Speaker 1>life to a single National park and still not know everything.

0:45:14.000 --> 0:45:17.640
<v Speaker 1>Oh absolutely, I've been. I've been to Biscayne. I think

0:45:17.640 --> 0:45:21.640
<v Speaker 1>I counted seven times, and I still haven't snorkeled the

0:45:21.680 --> 0:45:25.000
<v Speaker 1>Maritime Historical Trail. I still haven't been on Adam's Key.

0:45:25.120 --> 0:45:28.160
<v Speaker 1>I still haven't you know, done a lot of things

0:45:28.239 --> 0:45:31.520
<v Speaker 1>that I would love to do. And so I know

0:45:31.800 --> 0:45:34.000
<v Speaker 1>that Biscayne is going to be one of those places

0:45:34.000 --> 0:45:36.160
<v Speaker 1>that I'm going to continue to go to, particularly in

0:45:36.239 --> 0:45:40.560
<v Speaker 1>January when there's a lot less bugs and um, I

0:45:40.640 --> 0:45:46.000
<v Speaker 1>highly recommend South Florida Parks in January February. Um less people,

0:45:46.280 --> 0:45:52.080
<v Speaker 1>you your bugs hands down, um bis water and you're

0:45:52.120 --> 0:45:54.960
<v Speaker 1>telling me that there's still more to learn. There's still

0:45:55.040 --> 0:45:59.719
<v Speaker 1>more to learn. Yeah, uh and that's just one one

0:45:59.760 --> 0:46:07.000
<v Speaker 1>of are beautiful national parks. Yes, I'm ago. How many

0:46:07.040 --> 0:46:10.399
<v Speaker 1>have y'all been to? Oh? We actually we're talking about

0:46:10.440 --> 0:46:12.400
<v Speaker 1>this that we needed to sit down. We have an

0:46:12.400 --> 0:46:15.680
<v Speaker 1>Excel sheet that we go through. We haven't updated it

0:46:15.760 --> 0:46:20.359
<v Speaker 1>in a year. So embarrassed. It's going to be real bad.

0:46:20.400 --> 0:46:25.600
<v Speaker 1>I'm disappointed. Right, you know what, we don't collect parks.

0:46:26.040 --> 0:46:37.880
<v Speaker 1>We experienced them totally burned. Fair enough, fair enough. I'll

0:46:37.920 --> 0:46:43.680
<v Speaker 1>just say that, Oh that's amazing. Yes, I mean yeah,

0:46:44.320 --> 0:46:47.480
<v Speaker 1>because I am that nerd. That's good. No, that is

0:46:47.520 --> 0:46:49.960
<v Speaker 1>really good because we've been talking about it, but we're

0:46:50.000 --> 0:46:52.759
<v Speaker 1>just like, you know, there's just so much like I

0:46:52.800 --> 0:46:54.160
<v Speaker 1>just love it because when we get home, we just

0:46:54.200 --> 0:46:58.279
<v Speaker 1>research more, um and more, and then we go back.

0:46:58.280 --> 0:47:00.880
<v Speaker 1>I mean, you've been to Carl's bad four well cars,

0:47:00.920 --> 0:47:03.760
<v Speaker 1>but I think for yeah, it's like my most visited

0:47:04.280 --> 0:47:06.600
<v Speaker 1>and yeah, it's one of those things where I totally

0:47:06.600 --> 0:47:08.640
<v Speaker 1>agree with you, Like I could go back time and again.

0:47:08.800 --> 0:47:10.640
<v Speaker 1>And even if I am doing some things that I've

0:47:10.640 --> 0:47:12.839
<v Speaker 1>done before, it's not like I'm tired of it by

0:47:12.840 --> 0:47:15.239
<v Speaker 1>any means I could. You're still learning happily. Yeah, I'm

0:47:15.280 --> 0:47:17.959
<v Speaker 1>just as excited as my first visit. I love it there.

0:47:18.000 --> 0:47:20.960
<v Speaker 1>It's endlessly inspiring and just like kind of floods me

0:47:21.000 --> 0:47:25.120
<v Speaker 1>with happiness and delight. It's it's great. Yeah, even even

0:47:25.160 --> 0:47:27.040
<v Speaker 1>just the thought of going to a park will do that, right,

0:47:27.040 --> 0:47:29.800
<v Speaker 1>even endorphin rush. Next week, I'm gonna be able to

0:47:29.800 --> 0:47:33.040
<v Speaker 1>spend a day in Glacier National Park, which I've never

0:47:33.120 --> 0:47:35.880
<v Speaker 1>done in winter, and so I'm really excited and looking

0:47:35.920 --> 0:47:40.799
<v Speaker 1>forward to experiencing that. So, yeah, we haven't really done

0:47:40.840 --> 0:47:45.919
<v Speaker 1>any like winter national parks. We've been to some in winter,

0:47:46.000 --> 0:47:48.040
<v Speaker 1>but they're done in the South, Like you're saying Biscayne

0:47:48.040 --> 0:47:51.240
<v Speaker 1>and ever Glacier or something like that. But like going

0:47:51.360 --> 0:47:55.840
<v Speaker 1>to Glacier nothing snow. That is a goal, Like Yellowstone

0:47:55.920 --> 0:47:59.920
<v Speaker 1>visiting that in the winter is that. But right now

0:48:00.000 --> 0:48:02.440
<v Speaker 1>because the r V and like its freezing, and you know,

0:48:02.480 --> 0:48:04.239
<v Speaker 1>there's just so many things. So we're just like, you know,

0:48:04.239 --> 0:48:06.520
<v Speaker 1>when we're done with the r V lifestyle, Well, you

0:48:06.560 --> 0:48:10.640
<v Speaker 1>will then jump into like going during the winters and

0:48:10.680 --> 0:48:15.600
<v Speaker 1>actually experiencing these these beautiful parts of nature, um sometimes

0:48:15.600 --> 0:48:18.239
<v Speaker 1>like how they're intended to be, like it just revisiting,

0:48:18.280 --> 0:48:21.880
<v Speaker 1>relearning and learning new survival techniques, what the wildlife and

0:48:21.920 --> 0:48:25.399
<v Speaker 1>ecology is in the winter versus the summer, and how

0:48:25.480 --> 0:48:29.439
<v Speaker 1>the everything changes and it all works together. So right,

0:48:30.040 --> 0:48:32.439
<v Speaker 1>I mean, if if I had like a big outside goal,

0:48:32.480 --> 0:48:35.479
<v Speaker 1>it would be to go to every park in all

0:48:35.520 --> 0:48:37.840
<v Speaker 1>four seasons, right, But you know that's just that's a

0:48:37.840 --> 0:48:40.160
<v Speaker 1>little much. So I'm just gonna say I'm gonna do

0:48:40.200 --> 0:48:44.759
<v Speaker 1>what I can on that. Yeah, all right, right, we

0:48:44.880 --> 0:48:51.600
<v Speaker 1>just endless resources. Well exactly exactly right, Hello lottery. Um.

0:48:51.640 --> 0:48:54.759
<v Speaker 1>So yeah, So I mean for me, traveling to a

0:48:54.840 --> 0:48:58.920
<v Speaker 1>national park is good any time of the year. Um,

0:48:58.960 --> 0:49:01.200
<v Speaker 1>I really prefer this smaller parks in the summer when

0:49:01.200 --> 0:49:04.160
<v Speaker 1>the larger parks get super crowded. Yes, you know, it's

0:49:04.160 --> 0:49:08.160
<v Speaker 1>sort of a tip for people traveling. Um And but

0:49:08.360 --> 0:49:13.799
<v Speaker 1>you know, big parks in winter are just heavenly, you know,

0:49:13.840 --> 0:49:17.480
<v Speaker 1>because it's the silence, and it's the you know, it's everything.

0:49:17.719 --> 0:49:22.280
<v Speaker 1>It's it's everything. It's the pristineness, it's the the wind,

0:49:22.400 --> 0:49:29.640
<v Speaker 1>it's you know the light. Oh yeah, it's stunning. I

0:49:29.680 --> 0:49:34.200
<v Speaker 1>cannot wait. So sound your where, um, where can people

0:49:34.239 --> 0:49:39.760
<v Speaker 1>find you? Like your social media websites things like that. Yeah,

0:49:39.840 --> 0:49:43.239
<v Speaker 1>so you can find me at National Park patch Lady

0:49:43.320 --> 0:49:47.239
<v Speaker 1>dot com. Or you can find me on Instagram at

0:49:47.760 --> 0:49:50.879
<v Speaker 1>National Park patch Lady, or you can find me on

0:49:50.920 --> 0:49:56.000
<v Speaker 1>Twitter at NP patch Lady. I'm also on Facebook, and

0:49:57.280 --> 0:49:58.799
<v Speaker 1>I don't think. I don't think I do anything else

0:49:58.800 --> 0:50:01.160
<v Speaker 1>that the kids do these days. That's probably about all

0:50:01.200 --> 0:50:03.120
<v Speaker 1>the places you can find me. You're not on TikTok,

0:50:04.520 --> 0:50:08.239
<v Speaker 1>and I think you're gonna have a great trip when

0:50:08.280 --> 0:50:10.320
<v Speaker 1>you go to Glacier. And I can't wait to follow

0:50:10.360 --> 0:50:14.560
<v Speaker 1>you at National Park Patch Lady because it's just there's

0:50:14.600 --> 0:50:17.839
<v Speaker 1>just so many beautiful things that you bring, and there's

0:50:17.880 --> 0:50:20.000
<v Speaker 1>so much value bring to the National Parks and the

0:50:20.000 --> 0:50:23.800
<v Speaker 1>community of National park goers. And that's what this really

0:50:23.880 --> 0:50:26.239
<v Speaker 1>is to me, is like like getting the chance to

0:50:26.239 --> 0:50:28.520
<v Speaker 1>actually talk to you in person versus just like I

0:50:28.680 --> 0:50:32.200
<v Speaker 1>g direct Instagram messages or you know, things like that.

0:50:32.320 --> 0:50:36.040
<v Speaker 1>It's it's really beautiful to just learn more about our

0:50:36.080 --> 0:50:38.759
<v Speaker 1>community of National park lovers and all these people are

0:50:38.760 --> 0:50:42.200
<v Speaker 1>passionate about our parks. Um, the stories that the stories

0:50:42.239 --> 0:50:46.040
<v Speaker 1>that you've shared today are going to go beyond helping

0:50:46.320 --> 0:50:50.000
<v Speaker 1>and inspiring others. Um. It inspired me, and I know

0:50:50.560 --> 0:50:54.160
<v Speaker 1>by looking in Matt's eyes that inspired him. But I

0:50:54.239 --> 0:50:58.600
<v Speaker 1>really really appreciate you coming in sharing your story, your

0:50:58.640 --> 0:51:02.640
<v Speaker 1>love for national parks, your tips. Uh, they've all been

0:51:02.840 --> 0:51:06.400
<v Speaker 1>so beautiful. Thank you. I mean, I'm now I'm crying.

0:51:07.080 --> 0:51:09.520
<v Speaker 1>Um wow. I mean you guys, you guys are at

0:51:09.520 --> 0:51:12.480
<v Speaker 1>such an inspiration and I really appreciate the opportunity. I mean,

0:51:12.520 --> 0:51:16.000
<v Speaker 1>I'm extraordinarily grateful to to sort of share what I

0:51:16.040 --> 0:51:19.040
<v Speaker 1>can and hopefully, you know, inspire others to just get

0:51:19.080 --> 0:51:24.319
<v Speaker 1>out there and you know, experience America. Thank yeah, that

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<v Speaker 1>Oh my gosh, yeah, thank you so much. We were

0:51:26.560 --> 0:51:29.080
<v Speaker 1>both like geeking out with excitement to talk to you today.

0:51:29.200 --> 0:51:34.400
<v Speaker 1>So you've been listening to park Landing podcast. We'll be

0:51:34.520 --> 0:51:58.640
<v Speaker 1>right back after a quick break. Hi. I'm Matt and

0:51:58.640 --> 0:52:01.680
<v Speaker 1>I'm Brad. This is park land in. Today's episode is

0:52:01.719 --> 0:52:11.120
<v Speaker 1>on Biscayne National Park in Florida, Key. Speaking of Biscayne,

0:52:11.440 --> 0:52:13.880
<v Speaker 1>you got to do a solo trip down there, which

0:52:13.960 --> 0:52:17.200
<v Speaker 1>I was jealous. Why don't you tell us a little

0:52:17.200 --> 0:52:19.960
<v Speaker 1>bit more about that. Yes, I did. That was more

0:52:20.040 --> 0:52:23.439
<v Speaker 1>recently than our trip to Biscayne together when we first went,

0:52:23.719 --> 0:52:25.719
<v Speaker 1>and this was part of a trip that I did,

0:52:26.239 --> 0:52:29.360
<v Speaker 1>just the road trip to like Everglades, Miami and the Keys,

0:52:30.080 --> 0:52:32.440
<v Speaker 1>and I definitely wanted to go back to Bisken and

0:52:32.480 --> 0:52:35.200
<v Speaker 1>explore more of it because obviously there's a lot more

0:52:35.239 --> 0:52:38.040
<v Speaker 1>to do and see here. So what I did was

0:52:38.120 --> 0:52:42.000
<v Speaker 1>I booked another tour this time instead of doing a

0:52:42.040 --> 0:52:46.920
<v Speaker 1>snorkel trip, I booked a island trip to Bocacheta Key

0:52:47.120 --> 0:52:50.560
<v Speaker 1>again with the Yeah again with Biscayn National Park Institute,

0:52:50.560 --> 0:52:55.799
<v Speaker 1>because they do so many amazing tours and they're phenomenal,

0:52:55.960 --> 0:52:59.239
<v Speaker 1>phenomenal from our snorkel trip there, so I knew I

0:52:59.239 --> 0:53:02.680
<v Speaker 1>wanted to go out with them again and Bocachi Ta

0:53:02.760 --> 0:53:06.359
<v Speaker 1>Key was something that I really want to do. And

0:53:06.800 --> 0:53:08.919
<v Speaker 1>initially when you and I were bucking the snorkel trip,

0:53:08.960 --> 0:53:12.800
<v Speaker 1>I was considering like between snorkeling and Bocacia Key because

0:53:12.880 --> 0:53:16.000
<v Speaker 1>it's so iconic. This is the one with that lighthouse

0:53:16.200 --> 0:53:19.480
<v Speaker 1>that Mark I knew well built in the thirties, iconic

0:53:20.360 --> 0:53:23.239
<v Speaker 1>and it just looks spectacular and really unique and it's

0:53:23.280 --> 0:53:27.799
<v Speaker 1>the most visited key in the National Park, so it

0:53:27.920 --> 0:53:29.799
<v Speaker 1>was way up there for me on my list of

0:53:29.960 --> 0:53:32.239
<v Speaker 1>two dudes. Yeah, I remember seeing that a lot of

0:53:32.280 --> 0:53:35.400
<v Speaker 1>like private boaters in that area as well, So you

0:53:35.440 --> 0:53:37.120
<v Speaker 1>don't even have to have a tour if you have

0:53:37.160 --> 0:53:39.319
<v Speaker 1>your own boat, you can go out there by yourself. Yeah,

0:53:39.360 --> 0:53:42.440
<v Speaker 1>it's anyone. Anyone who you know has a boat can

0:53:42.520 --> 0:53:45.040
<v Speaker 1>go out there. And the day I was there, it

0:53:45.160 --> 0:53:48.839
<v Speaker 1>was a weekend. It was a Sunday, so there's lots

0:53:48.840 --> 0:53:51.200
<v Speaker 1>of private boaters out there at the marina seemed like

0:53:51.239 --> 0:53:53.319
<v Speaker 1>it was pretty full and it was a beautiful day.

0:53:53.360 --> 0:53:56.759
<v Speaker 1>It was sunny and quite warm, so lots of people

0:53:56.760 --> 0:53:58.560
<v Speaker 1>out there just kind of lounge you on their boats,

0:53:58.600 --> 0:54:02.520
<v Speaker 1>cooking out relock saying. It wasn't too like loud or

0:54:02.760 --> 0:54:04.520
<v Speaker 1>like a party scene or anything like that. It wasn't

0:54:04.560 --> 0:54:09.520
<v Speaker 1>like South Beach, but it was definitely like filled and bustling.

0:54:09.840 --> 0:54:14.200
<v Speaker 1>So that was definitely different to see and experience that

0:54:14.400 --> 0:54:17.120
<v Speaker 1>aspect of the park and that scene. You know, there's

0:54:17.120 --> 0:54:19.760
<v Speaker 1>many different ways to visit our park, yeah, right, and

0:54:20.160 --> 0:54:22.080
<v Speaker 1>I think some people out there were also camping. You

0:54:22.160 --> 0:54:24.960
<v Speaker 1>are welcome to camp out here in Bocutio Key if

0:54:24.960 --> 0:54:28.080
<v Speaker 1>you can, you know, get yourself there again. And that's

0:54:28.120 --> 0:54:31.359
<v Speaker 1>an intriguing option. That would be cool too, because I'm

0:54:31.360 --> 0:54:34.520
<v Speaker 1>sure at night, obviously most of the voters go back

0:54:34.520 --> 0:54:36.719
<v Speaker 1>to the mainland to go back home. Really awesome if

0:54:36.760 --> 0:54:39.160
<v Speaker 1>you could, like you know, have your own boat, go

0:54:39.320 --> 0:54:41.799
<v Speaker 1>camp there, then go to your own snorkeling with our

0:54:42.080 --> 0:54:45.759
<v Speaker 1>own equipment, and you know, that sounds like a little

0:54:45.840 --> 0:54:48.440
<v Speaker 1>dream trip to But right, I mean, we just got

0:54:48.440 --> 0:54:52.200
<v Speaker 1>to get our own boat. That's the main Yeah, that's

0:54:52.239 --> 0:54:54.120
<v Speaker 1>not a big deal, right, No, not at all. That's

0:54:54.239 --> 0:54:57.279
<v Speaker 1>you know, that's the drive. I would be open and

0:54:57.360 --> 0:54:59.600
<v Speaker 1>driving a boat. It's it's like open ocean out here,

0:54:59.680 --> 0:55:03.239
<v Speaker 1>so I'm less word, there's no I'm not afraid I'm

0:55:03.280 --> 0:55:07.080
<v Speaker 1>gonna like run into something necessarily like that'd be pretty

0:55:07.120 --> 0:55:09.320
<v Speaker 1>hard to do if you did, that'd be embarrassing. Yeah,

0:55:09.800 --> 0:55:12.520
<v Speaker 1>So the key was really fun. We're only out there,

0:55:12.600 --> 0:55:15.480
<v Speaker 1>like wandering around for like an hour. It's a really

0:55:15.480 --> 0:55:18.600
<v Speaker 1>small key, so an hour it seems like it's plenty.

0:55:18.640 --> 0:55:20.719
<v Speaker 1>But the first thing we did was go to the

0:55:20.800 --> 0:55:24.720
<v Speaker 1>lighthouse and the our guide let us up. So normally

0:55:24.719 --> 0:55:27.480
<v Speaker 1>whenever when there's no tour happening on the key, the

0:55:27.600 --> 0:55:31.080
<v Speaker 1>lighthouse is shut and locked to preserve it from you know,

0:55:31.200 --> 0:55:33.879
<v Speaker 1>random people who might want a party in it, which

0:55:34.000 --> 0:55:37.360
<v Speaker 1>which makes sense, I guess. But we got to go

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<v Speaker 1>up the lighthouse, up this series of like winding narrow stairs,

0:55:41.239 --> 0:55:43.800
<v Speaker 1>and then from the very top, it's such an amazing

0:55:43.880 --> 0:55:47.120
<v Speaker 1>view looking out over the Key and the ocean, and

0:55:47.160 --> 0:55:50.200
<v Speaker 1>you get a really nice panorama of the Miami skyline

0:55:50.239 --> 0:55:53.200
<v Speaker 1>in the distance too, a little a little hazy, but

0:55:53.280 --> 0:55:57.840
<v Speaker 1>it's clearly there and kind of kind of wild because like,

0:55:57.840 --> 0:55:59.680
<v Speaker 1>it only took me an hour to get from South

0:55:59.719 --> 0:56:02.640
<v Speaker 1>Beak to Biscayne, and it looked like it's way off

0:56:02.640 --> 0:56:04.879
<v Speaker 1>in the distance, looks like it would be a longer drive.

0:56:04.920 --> 0:56:09.279
<v Speaker 1>But oh yeah, that was great. So after the lighthouse,

0:56:10.040 --> 0:56:12.960
<v Speaker 1>there's no rare like hiking trails or anything like that.

0:56:13.000 --> 0:56:15.719
<v Speaker 1>But like I kind of wandered around the perimeter of

0:56:15.800 --> 0:56:19.000
<v Speaker 1>the of the Key along some of the there's like

0:56:19.080 --> 0:56:21.640
<v Speaker 1>beaches on the north side of it, or the east

0:56:21.680 --> 0:56:24.880
<v Speaker 1>side of it rather, and those were some of the

0:56:24.880 --> 0:56:28.200
<v Speaker 1>prettiest beaches I've ever seen. The waters like turquoise and

0:56:28.680 --> 0:56:33.280
<v Speaker 1>like white sand, and there's like patches of mangrove mangrove

0:56:33.400 --> 0:56:37.280
<v Speaker 1>trees kind of spurting out of the water along the shore,

0:56:37.840 --> 0:56:40.040
<v Speaker 1>so nice. I had my bathing suit on, so like

0:56:40.080 --> 0:56:43.160
<v Speaker 1>I was ready to go swimming, but the water was

0:56:43.160 --> 0:56:46.759
<v Speaker 1>surprisingly on the chili side, so I didn't really want

0:56:46.760 --> 0:56:48.480
<v Speaker 1>to do. I also didn't have a towel, so was

0:56:48.520 --> 0:56:52.440
<v Speaker 1>it clear water? It was really clear, So if I

0:56:52.480 --> 0:56:56.480
<v Speaker 1>had snorkel equipment, I probably would have been more inclined

0:56:56.760 --> 0:57:00.560
<v Speaker 1>in a wet suit too. Definitely the wet suit. So

0:57:01.160 --> 0:57:06.760
<v Speaker 1>just a gorgeous, gorgeous little key out here and some forests,

0:57:06.960 --> 0:57:11.239
<v Speaker 1>some really bright green forest to wander through, and yeah,

0:57:11.320 --> 0:57:14.480
<v Speaker 1>that was wonderful. And I also learned about there's not

0:57:14.640 --> 0:57:18.720
<v Speaker 1>obviously a limited amount of wildlife out here, but the

0:57:18.800 --> 0:57:22.400
<v Speaker 1>guide told us shockingly though there are raccoons, which I

0:57:22.440 --> 0:57:24.840
<v Speaker 1>don't understand how they got there, but he's like, oh,

0:57:24.880 --> 0:57:29.040
<v Speaker 1>they're everywhere, and I'm like it's kind of true though, Yeah.

0:57:29.080 --> 0:57:33.920
<v Speaker 1>And then also animals called wood rats, which get water

0:57:33.960 --> 0:57:36.320
<v Speaker 1>from coconuts. They get fresh they need like obviously they

0:57:36.320 --> 0:57:39.760
<v Speaker 1>can't drink salt water, so their water source in the island.

0:57:40.120 --> 0:57:43.840
<v Speaker 1>They kind of like not their way into coconuts and

0:57:43.880 --> 0:57:47.040
<v Speaker 1>drink coconut water. So when we were initially there, like

0:57:47.080 --> 0:57:49.560
<v Speaker 1>we mentioned. It was during government shutdowns, so the visitor

0:57:49.600 --> 0:57:52.720
<v Speaker 1>center was closed. There was no exhibits we could see,

0:57:52.720 --> 0:57:55.200
<v Speaker 1>there was no park movie, so I was eager to

0:57:55.480 --> 0:57:57.960
<v Speaker 1>check that out for the first time. And it was great,

0:57:58.360 --> 0:58:01.960
<v Speaker 1>Like did not disappoint a huge visitor center. It never

0:58:02.000 --> 0:58:06.240
<v Speaker 1>does so much to see and learn about, especially pertaining

0:58:06.280 --> 0:58:11.320
<v Speaker 1>to the copious amounts of wildlife here and the different ecosystems,

0:58:11.360 --> 0:58:14.400
<v Speaker 1>and the animals that live where, how long they've lived

0:58:14.440 --> 0:58:17.640
<v Speaker 1>here just and then the changing geography of the of

0:58:17.720 --> 0:58:20.720
<v Speaker 1>the park over the past several thousand years. Lots to

0:58:20.800 --> 0:58:23.960
<v Speaker 1>discovery and read about. And then I saw the park movie,

0:58:24.080 --> 0:58:28.160
<v Speaker 1>which was in the same room where Sandra's photography exhibit was,

0:58:28.240 --> 0:58:30.520
<v Speaker 1>So around the like perimeter of the room and then

0:58:30.600 --> 0:58:34.280
<v Speaker 1>like the hallway outside of it were her beautiful photographs

0:58:34.520 --> 0:58:37.440
<v Speaker 1>and you could read all about those and look at them,

0:58:37.520 --> 0:58:40.560
<v Speaker 1>and then sit down and watch this excellent park movie

0:58:41.000 --> 0:58:43.360
<v Speaker 1>hosted by a ranger who's kind of guiding you through

0:58:43.480 --> 0:58:47.520
<v Speaker 1>the different keys and showing you and pointing out the

0:58:47.560 --> 0:58:51.320
<v Speaker 1>different wildlife and plant species and talking more about the history,

0:58:51.440 --> 0:58:54.760
<v Speaker 1>especially like Spite Highway and how it's a hiking chill now.

0:58:54.800 --> 0:58:57.040
<v Speaker 1>So that was cool. To see and learn more about

0:58:57.120 --> 0:59:01.880
<v Speaker 1>from that direct perspective. Yeah, I really feel that Biscayne

0:59:02.000 --> 0:59:06.240
<v Speaker 1>is mostly about the wildlife and the ecology because there's

0:59:06.240 --> 0:59:09.040
<v Speaker 1>just so many layers, from the ocean to the keys,

0:59:09.720 --> 0:59:13.960
<v Speaker 1>um even to the mainlands. There's so much too really

0:59:14.000 --> 0:59:18.600
<v Speaker 1>dive into their yeah, you're yeah, I mean literally dive

0:59:18.640 --> 0:59:20.560
<v Speaker 1>into it. And even if you're just walking around, if

0:59:20.600 --> 0:59:22.680
<v Speaker 1>you're in one of the keys like I was, it's

0:59:23.040 --> 0:59:26.920
<v Speaker 1>you're you're still immersed in it, and it's incredible in

0:59:27.200 --> 0:59:29.920
<v Speaker 1>a very inspiring place and the type of place where

0:59:30.600 --> 0:59:32.640
<v Speaker 1>I could totally see and I agree with Sandra like

0:59:32.680 --> 0:59:35.560
<v Speaker 1>I could come back time and again and never ever

0:59:35.600 --> 0:59:37.840
<v Speaker 1>get tired of it, certainly, and always have something new

0:59:37.880 --> 0:59:40.520
<v Speaker 1>to new to see, new to do. It's just one

0:59:40.520 --> 0:59:50.560
<v Speaker 1>of those very special places, my favorite. All right, now,

0:59:50.600 --> 0:59:53.080
<v Speaker 1>it's that time of the episode where we share with

0:59:53.120 --> 0:59:56.600
<v Speaker 1>each other our favorite parts of Biscayne National Park. We

0:59:56.640 --> 0:59:59.800
<v Speaker 1>haven't told each other our answers, so it's all a surprise. Matt,

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<v Speaker 1>what was your favorite thing to do here? Well? I

1:00:04.760 --> 1:00:07.960
<v Speaker 1>think it is pretty hard to be snarkling, especially for

1:00:08.040 --> 1:00:11.160
<v Speaker 1>someone like me who's terrified of that type of thing,

1:00:11.280 --> 1:00:13.480
<v Speaker 1>or who was terrified my entire left of that type

1:00:13.520 --> 1:00:17.240
<v Speaker 1>of thing in this setting. So it was not only

1:00:17.280 --> 1:00:23.280
<v Speaker 1>really fun, but it had that another level of meaning

1:00:23.440 --> 1:00:26.320
<v Speaker 1>to me being able to do that and jump off

1:00:26.320 --> 1:00:31.480
<v Speaker 1>a boat and how I was just so pleasantly surprised

1:00:31.520 --> 1:00:34.480
<v Speaker 1>by how quickly everything kind of clicked into place, and

1:00:34.520 --> 1:00:38.880
<v Speaker 1>I instantly felt calm and excited and just like, yes,

1:00:38.960 --> 1:00:43.040
<v Speaker 1>this is wonderful, and I could just do this all day.

1:00:43.080 --> 1:00:46.600
<v Speaker 1>I could do this time and again, and it was mesmerizing.

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<v Speaker 1>So I would say that was my favorite thing absolutely

1:00:52.200 --> 1:00:56.240
<v Speaker 1>times a million agree, because when you just jump in

1:00:56.280 --> 1:00:58.440
<v Speaker 1>that water and you get into it for your first time,

1:00:59.240 --> 1:01:04.000
<v Speaker 1>you're just in it. You're it's like you're in a movie.

1:01:04.080 --> 1:01:09.720
<v Speaker 1>It's like you're in in this beautiful, beautiful experience of

1:01:09.800 --> 1:01:13.200
<v Speaker 1>like experiencing wildlife for the first time, and you can

1:01:13.240 --> 1:01:15.680
<v Speaker 1>see it all happening in front of you. It's like

1:01:15.720 --> 1:01:19.440
<v Speaker 1>it basically goes into a fish eye lens where you're

1:01:19.480 --> 1:01:22.720
<v Speaker 1>like you're just seeing everything happening, and like I was

1:01:22.760 --> 1:01:27.280
<v Speaker 1>saying earlier about chasing different fish and then all of

1:01:27.280 --> 1:01:30.720
<v Speaker 1>a sudden, distracted and there's another one. Um. It was

1:01:30.760 --> 1:01:33.640
<v Speaker 1>just such a fun experience because there was no other

1:01:33.760 --> 1:01:37.760
<v Speaker 1>worries in the world. Now you're so focused on one fish,

1:01:38.080 --> 1:01:39.920
<v Speaker 1>Like that's what I was focused on and what was

1:01:39.920 --> 1:01:45.960
<v Speaker 1>happening around it and just seeing how this uh wildlife

1:01:46.040 --> 1:01:50.040
<v Speaker 1>is wild. Yeah, I remember that that's an important part

1:01:50.080 --> 1:01:52.680
<v Speaker 1>to the the intense focus. And I felt that with

1:01:52.920 --> 1:01:54.600
<v Speaker 1>very specific things like all of a sudden, the only

1:01:54.640 --> 1:01:58.440
<v Speaker 1>things I'm concentrating on our breathing correctly, you know, like

1:01:58.640 --> 1:02:02.520
<v Speaker 1>you need to remind myself okay, and then making sure

1:02:02.600 --> 1:02:06.160
<v Speaker 1>water is not going into my snorkel, my mask and stuff.

1:02:06.400 --> 1:02:09.840
<v Speaker 1>And then just aside from that, looking at everything and

1:02:09.880 --> 1:02:15.160
<v Speaker 1>experiencing it and being you know, completely captivated. So it's

1:02:15.200 --> 1:02:20.080
<v Speaker 1>just from like my normal life as as a creature

1:02:20.080 --> 1:02:23.600
<v Speaker 1>who lives on land like this is completely different and

1:02:24.440 --> 1:02:28.760
<v Speaker 1>forces you to just recalibrate and focus entirely on different things.

1:02:28.880 --> 1:02:33.040
<v Speaker 1>And for days like literally there was just like therapy.

1:02:33.160 --> 1:02:37.000
<v Speaker 1>Yeah it is. It is therapy. Um kind of like

1:02:37.040 --> 1:02:39.760
<v Speaker 1>Sando saying, you know, National Parks, when you're in it

1:02:39.840 --> 1:02:44.320
<v Speaker 1>and you're you're really in it, it just relieves all anxiety,

1:02:45.040 --> 1:02:49.400
<v Speaker 1>all fears, all depression, all everything, and all you get

1:02:49.440 --> 1:02:55.240
<v Speaker 1>to do is focus. Yeah. Yes, so let's talk about

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<v Speaker 1>things that you should bring into biscayde National Park if

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<v Speaker 1>you're planning on visiting reservations. Yeah, that's the number one

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<v Speaker 1>because unless you're lucky enough to have a yacht or

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<v Speaker 1>a boat or something, you you absolutely need that. Even then,

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<v Speaker 1>even then, take get a reservation and go on one

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<v Speaker 1>of these tours because you're gonna learn so much. The

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<v Speaker 1>guides are really well educated, they know what they're talking about,

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<v Speaker 1>and they're going to know the best places to go. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>this is one of those parks where there isn't a

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<v Speaker 1>lot you can do unless you have a reservation to

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<v Speaker 1>do something an activity, a tour, because there's very limited

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<v Speaker 1>things on on the mainland. There's that jetty trail and

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<v Speaker 1>excellent visitors center, but you're really missing out if you

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<v Speaker 1>don't go out, and you need to go out, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>cute away. It's like miles out to get to the

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<v Speaker 1>keys and then beyond that to go Snorkeley. So reservations

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<v Speaker 1>are important and as far in advance as possible. They

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<v Speaker 1>weren't difficult that we made ours like a week in

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<v Speaker 1>advance or whatever, and it was it seems totally fine,

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<v Speaker 1>but still obviously I can't hurt And then bringing us

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<v Speaker 1>sunscreen but like waterproof sunscreen is huge. Um. And then

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<v Speaker 1>learning how to apply water um, waterproof like sunscreen, because um,

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<v Speaker 1>I've made a mistake where I like, you know, I'll

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<v Speaker 1>put it on and then I'll jump right in the

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<v Speaker 1>ocean and you have to let it like basically cure

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<v Speaker 1>for a couple of minutes to really actually just sink

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<v Speaker 1>into you so that we're not getting burnt. Yeah, for sure.

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<v Speaker 1>And then if you have any wet suit stuff, by

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<v Speaker 1>all means bring that. It would save you some money

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<v Speaker 1>so you don't have to rent those in addition or

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<v Speaker 1>be like us, And we bought our own Now after that,

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<v Speaker 1>I never ready. Yes, we have our own fins which

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<v Speaker 1>are really cute choofin I know, I want to wear them,

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<v Speaker 1>walk around with them. They're so cool wet suits. And

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<v Speaker 1>we even have the snorkeling life fests with a whistle

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<v Speaker 1>just in case, because it's always better to be prepared, um,

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<v Speaker 1>And that whistle is more you know, anything goes wrong

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<v Speaker 1>and you might need it, and most of the times

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<v Speaker 1>we're in a very safe environment, but it's always better

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<v Speaker 1>to be prepared. So yeah, and then this isn't so

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<v Speaker 1>much a thing to bring but something to bear in mind,

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<v Speaker 1>and you touched on this a little bit. But if

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<v Speaker 1>you're going snarkling and you're like you and you have

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<v Speaker 1>facial hair, then yes, you might not be expecting this.

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<v Speaker 1>But like, what what did you wind up having to do? Oh?

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<v Speaker 1>I had to put vaseline like all over my face,

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<v Speaker 1>all around the eyes and everything, and it still didn't

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<v Speaker 1>even work that great. So when you want to go snorkeling,

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<v Speaker 1>you definitely want to um shape. You want to have

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<v Speaker 1>as bare face as you can so that way you

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<v Speaker 1>can the mask can properly seal to your face. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>and the vassilin helps with that. So basically, if you're

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<v Speaker 1>if you look at Dumbledore, you probably should not go

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<v Speaker 1>snarkeling because you need a lot of vassaline. If you're

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<v Speaker 1>like a wizard, yes, yeah, wizards beware. Yeah right, probably

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<v Speaker 1>not the activity for you, but good, good to know.

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<v Speaker 1>So I think it's safe to say that, in addition

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<v Speaker 1>to having some of my favorite slash most ridiculous history

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<v Speaker 1>of all the National parks, this gain holds a very

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<v Speaker 1>special place in my heart for helping me overcome my

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<v Speaker 1>irrational fears. All my fears are irrational. You've come a

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<v Speaker 1>long way from your Jaws fearing days. I mean to

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<v Speaker 1>be clear, I'm still terrified of Jos, but this game

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<v Speaker 1>is basically the emotional training wheels I needed to help

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<v Speaker 1>me take this new leap, both literally and figuratively. And

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<v Speaker 1>we've barely even scratched the surface here, because truly it's

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<v Speaker 1>of this enormous and beautiful place is below the surface.

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