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Speaker 2: He is the Matt Williamson. I'm Dale Lollie. You're listening

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Speaker 2: to the Drive here on Steelers Nation Radio. And Matt,

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Speaker 2: it is time for the Fantasy football focus.

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Speaker 3: Here.

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Speaker 2: You put together your I did rankings of the fantasy quarterbacks.

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Speaker 3: I didn't tell you, but I did every position from

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Speaker 3: the beach.

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Speaker 2: Ah, yeah, you did say, You've mentioned, you mentioned you

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Speaker 2: threw those lists together.

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Speaker 3: I mean, it was a wonderful fantasy or family time,

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Speaker 3: but seven days is a lot for all four of us.

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Speaker 2: I gotta tell you, Matt, I had different fantasies on

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Speaker 2: the beach, plenty of those.

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Speaker 3: But there was times where I kind of want to

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Speaker 3: just go in the corner with my laptop and not

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Speaker 3: chat with the family anymore. And so I put that

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Speaker 3: on my Again, I am a different fan. My very

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Speaker 3: rough highly subject to change. I have the all five positions,

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Speaker 3: including defenses, which I am not putting any stock in,

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Speaker 3: but I sent you quarterbacks. Okay, next week we can

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Speaker 3: dig into other stuff you want. And yeah, feeling good

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Speaker 3: about it.

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Speaker 2: Okay, we'll we'll talk about this and see where.

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Speaker 3: There's a lot of ones I'd be happy with, but

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Speaker 3: like the top seven or eight, I think you're real

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Speaker 2: Okay, So you have Josh Allen at number one, I

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Speaker 2: think far and away I can't argue with that.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean he's a touchdown machine, you like Cam Newton.

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Speaker 4: You have Jalen Hurts number two.

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Speaker 3: And you know, and people listening probably know that I

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Speaker 3: was Anthey, Richardson is going to be my two. I've

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Speaker 3: flipped them back and forth four hundred times. And it's

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Speaker 3: not a knock on Richardson that I didn't put him

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Speaker 3: at two. But I'm really warming up to the Eagles

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Speaker 3: being a lot better team this year. And even if

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Speaker 3: he doesn't get push pushes and things, I think that's

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Speaker 3: isn't going to hurt them as much. And he's definitely safe.

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Speaker 2: Even if he doesn't at the touch pushes, he's still

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Speaker 2: going to run five or six touchdowns.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. I mean, he even may dump at the saque

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Speaker 3: and he takes it to the house and you get

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Speaker 3: a touchdown pass for that. He's in a great situation.

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Speaker 3: And he's been a really consistent fantasy producer.

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Speaker 4: Now you have richardson number three. Yeah, and I can't

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Speaker 3: I get it.

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Speaker 4: I just can't put him that high because I need

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Speaker 4: to see it.

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Speaker 2: I know, you know, even the games he averaged one

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Speaker 2: hundred and fifty passing yards per game, right, the games

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Speaker 2: that he played last year, But.

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Speaker 3: He averaged obscene fantasy points per game two.

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Speaker 2: That's fine. He also didn't finish all four of which

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Speaker 2: is a problem.

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Speaker 3: Now. To be honest, if this was tight end or

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Speaker 3: even receiver running back, I wouldn't have him as high.

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Speaker 3: But if he busts, if he gets hurt, I'll live

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Speaker 3: with Aaron Rodgers that I drafted in the twelve round.

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Speaker 3: There's just so many quarterbacks that I'm going to be

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Speaker 3: more aggressive for the guys that could win me the league.

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Speaker 4: Patrick Mahomes is four.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. I mean they were a little short on big

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Speaker 4: I don't think that's going to be the problem.

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Speaker 3: That's what I mean is you go get Worthy, you

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Speaker 3: go get Brown. I bet these specks a little.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and he's not going to hurt you, right, you know, yeah,

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Speaker 2: you're always there's a there's a nice floor there's.

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Speaker 3: A great floor there. Yeah, you're very happy have him Mahomes.

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Speaker 4: At five, you have Lamar Jackson, And I don't know.

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Speaker 3: That if we were doing a mock draft, I would

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Speaker 3: what you have to pay. Lamar was better at football

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Speaker 3: than he was fantasy last year. Yeah, and I think

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Speaker 3: Henry hurts him a lot for fantasy. I mean, good,

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Speaker 3: if I just gave this guy all this money and

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Speaker 4: I will say this.

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Speaker 2: There were reports at their OTA in mini camp sessions

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Speaker 3: I think so too. I think deep down he did

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Speaker 2: And maybe he doesn't get and maybe he never gets

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Speaker 3: Maybe he doesn't, but but I don't think. I think

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Speaker 3: his days of eight or nine hundred rushing yards are gone.

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Speaker 3: like no one's disappointed to have Lamar or Mahomes.

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Speaker 2: As your favorite.

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Speaker 4: No, I don't think number six Kyler Murray.

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Speaker 3: That's a guy. There's like three guys on here that

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Speaker 3: I'm way higher than consensus on. So Kyler Murray one

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Speaker 3: year ago, three and sixty five days ago, we're all

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Speaker 3: give him Marvin Harrison. Andy runs like crazy, Like what

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Speaker 4: Just Harrison and they gave him.

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Speaker 3: McBride stepped up, and you know, I like the line's

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Speaker 3: a lot better. I thought that coaching staff was pretty

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Speaker 3: good with bad players. I think he's Fantasy gold.

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Speaker 4: Uh seven is Joe Burrow.

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Speaker 3: It's stud I'm not looking at the list. It's Stroud

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Speaker 3: than Kyler. Those two don't run at all. I mean

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Speaker 3: they have to throw like forty touchdowns to be quarterback.

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Speaker 3: One and they might both could they might, you know,

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Speaker 3: I mean, and you're they're safe too, but the rushing

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Speaker 2: Two of these guys you have between nine, ten and eleven,

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Speaker 2: So at nine you have Jayden Daniels. He's another one

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Speaker 3: Yeah. Ten, and I kind of like that they have

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Speaker 2: Ten is Trevor Lawrence, Who's not who I'm talking about there.

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Speaker 2: Eleven is Jordan Love and I.

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Speaker 3: Bumped Love up. I had him at like thirteen, and

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Speaker 3: He will run, He will run, and he might be

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Speaker 3: not that dissimilar to Stroud and Burrow. Yeah, I mean

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Speaker 4: He'll run for four hundred yards this year's easy.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and four touchdowns, you know, I mean that's a

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Speaker 3: any of them can get hurt and it won't hurt him.

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Speaker 3: I mean, Craft has already heard, but who cares. You know,

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Speaker 3: they got most great They have a lot of ball

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Speaker 3: back plans. Drafted no lineman in the first round. Lawrence

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Speaker 3: I am higher on than consensus. I think he gets

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Speaker 3: a bum rap as a player.

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Speaker 2: But I don't know.

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Speaker 4: If their receivers are as good this year as they

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Speaker 3: I don't think they were, but I mean they are

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Speaker 3: Love being over Lawrence if I when I keep looking

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Speaker 3: at this even more, I keep moving Love up a spot,

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Speaker 2: As a lot. I mean, he's he might be the

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Speaker 3: Yeah, how about him versus Daniels for you, I mean

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Speaker 3: Daniels while Russia. Love is a safer pick though, no doubt,

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Speaker 3: no doubt, like he'll throw more. Ideally, I'd end up

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Speaker 3: you know, and stream them. I think Love is a

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Speaker 2: At twelve, you have Dak Prescott safe boring.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, they're running game stinks. I think they'll throw the

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Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, I'm with you.

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Speaker 3: That's why I mean Ceedee Lamb's like receiver two and you.

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Speaker 4: Know, yeah, thirteen is brock Purty another one.

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Speaker 3: I mean, I don't Carevey's good or not. He's gonna

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Speaker 3: throw a lot of touchdowns.

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: The problem is not a lot of volume. They don't

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, you're not going to get the you know,

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Speaker 3: I mean, but he probably has thirty touchdowns.

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Speaker 4: Mark Prescott this year probably has three or four four

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Speaker 3: but I mean exactly party who throws more touchdowns?

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Speaker 4: But it's pretty close.

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Speaker 3: But that's pretty close. Yeah, And I much rather throw

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Speaker 2: Yeah, McCaffrey h fourteen.

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Speaker 4: Justin Herbert, I can't put him that high.

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Speaker 3: I'm a little higher on him than most. And when

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Speaker 3: that's really low on Herbert.

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Speaker 2: I'm like, we're not talking about how good of a player.

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Speaker 2: Doesn't matter what I'm talking about for fantasy purposes. Here

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Speaker 2: does he throw twenty five touchdown passes this year?

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Speaker 3: And I think that's about the number. Yeah, you know,

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Speaker 3: and I don't think they want him running a ton. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: really know the consensus, but I think most have them

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Speaker 3: they're not gonna run the ball every snap. Trade to

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Speaker 3: popular belief, you know. I mean, and he is really good,

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Speaker 3: and I'm sure heart Luck put up numbers with Harbaugh,

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Speaker 2: Be losing a lot of I think that's one of

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Speaker 2: the most overrated thing teams this offseason, right, And the

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Speaker 2: other one is your next quarterbacks team, Caleb.

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Speaker 3: Williams most overrated.

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Speaker 4: I think people are putting the cart before the horse

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Speaker 3: I don't disagree. So Williams was my hardest rank. I

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Speaker 3: can't imagine excellently.

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Speaker 2: Like if if Justin Herbert had Caleb Williams wide receivers, it'd.

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Speaker 3: Be yeah, right, exactly, or in the swap situation, yeah,

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Speaker 3: Williams would be twenty and Herbert be four. Right, yeah right.

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Speaker 3: The thing that keeps sticking with me with the rookies

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Speaker 3: and Daniels it doesn't matter as much because he's gonna

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Speaker 3: run more than Williams, who will run. But the average

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Speaker 3: There's three of them together that are old, that'll throw touchdowns,

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Speaker 3: That golf keeps going up, Watson keeps going down.

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Speaker 4: Mean that takes you down to twenty two.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and you can you can play it by you know,

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Speaker 3: Ah No, I'm playing the Chiefs. Yeah.

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Speaker 4: I want a team.

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Speaker 2: I want to shoot out, right, give me the shootout.

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Speaker 3: You're playing Miami, right, yeah, right, Like there's I bet

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Speaker 2: Right, that's what you're looking for at The quarterback position

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Speaker 4: Yeah, that's the.

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Speaker 3: And he went at the bottom. Do anything for you

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Speaker 3: I don't think Levis is good. But of the group

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Speaker 3: He's got better weapons.

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Speaker 4: He would run.

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Speaker 3: He runs, and he really puts himselves in harms way

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Speaker 4: I think I would have him before Gino Smith.

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Speaker 3: Not going to run either. Yeah, and I don't think

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Speaker 4: A great story come back and all that stuff.

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Speaker 3: But they also know what this coaching staff thinks of them.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, talking through them too. One or two. I'll probably

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Speaker 4: That'll work really well in our league that we're in together.

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Speaker 2: He is the Matt Williamson and this is the Drive

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Speaker 2: on Steelers Nation Radio. And Matt seldom like do we

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Speaker 2: cross into other sports. But something happened last night that

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Speaker 4: Lakers, Oh, I think I know whe you're going with it,

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Speaker 3: And from what I understand, coach ever coached assistant coach,

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Speaker 2: Yeah last night, Yeah Reddick or something JJ Reddick. Last night.

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Speaker 4: The kid they draft Lebron's kid, who averaged four points

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Speaker 3: The second round and the second the seventh round.

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Speaker 2: Oh, by the way, I also had a hard issue

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Speaker 2: Nobody else was going to draft, I say, which probably so.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. I did hear a betting podcast that a lot

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Speaker 2: But that was never gonna happen. If his name was

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Speaker 3: Him, right, So you firmly believe these two moves were

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Speaker 2: James is running the Los Angeles Lakers, which brings me

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Speaker 3: Do you agree that I would rather take if I'm

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Speaker 4: Yeah, because you've only got five guys against stars.

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Speaker 3: And you know Lebron's Yeah, it's his locker room for eternity.

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00:18:11,720 --> 00:18:13,800
Speaker 3: And Okay, if we're gonna make him a little happier,

446
00:18:14,480 --> 00:18:16,200
Speaker 3: what's the second round pick cost us? I mean, it

447
00:18:16,320 --> 00:18:18,679
Speaker 3: wasn't like they used future first or gave him too

448
00:18:18,760 --> 00:18:20,200
Speaker 3: much money or you know, traded.

449
00:18:19,920 --> 00:18:21,399
Speaker 4: A good guy for he's a fifty fifth pick in

450
00:18:21,440 --> 00:18:21,840
Speaker 4: the draft.

451
00:18:22,000 --> 00:18:24,080
Speaker 3: Okay, I mean so that's but you all. I mean

452
00:18:24,200 --> 00:18:27,240
Speaker 3: I would worry me though, Yeah, I mean, like that's

453
00:18:27,280 --> 00:18:30,600
Speaker 3: what that's like hiring Jeff Saturday, right, you know what

454
00:18:30,680 --> 00:18:32,760
Speaker 3: I mean? It really is, like that's weird.

455
00:18:33,040 --> 00:18:35,240
Speaker 4: I mean, you will just make Lebron the coach.

456
00:18:35,600 --> 00:18:39,119
Speaker 3: Yeah, and Lebron's been around the block and he's aous,

457
00:18:39,119 --> 00:18:42,800
Speaker 3: tremendous leader, good person, whatever, But coaching is putting out

458
00:18:42,840 --> 00:18:46,280
Speaker 3: fires and dealing with media and travel and practice schedules

459
00:18:46,400 --> 00:18:49,440
Speaker 3: and yeah, the non fun stuff. When the call time

460
00:18:49,480 --> 00:18:50,320
Speaker 3: out and put six.

461
00:18:50,400 --> 00:18:53,440
Speaker 2: Guy, you know you can't be asking Lebron while Lebron's

462
00:18:53,480 --> 00:18:56,040
Speaker 2: on the floor, right, Hey, what do we we need

463
00:18:56,280 --> 00:18:57,120
Speaker 2: on out of bounds play?

464
00:18:57,160 --> 00:18:57,280
Speaker 3: Here?

465
00:18:57,320 --> 00:18:58,679
Speaker 4: You get to draw something up like.

466
00:18:58,920 --> 00:19:00,680
Speaker 3: Or hey, we need a six in? How do I

467
00:19:01,040 --> 00:19:03,760
Speaker 3: talk to the Mavericks about getting one or whatever? He

468
00:19:03,840 --> 00:19:05,639
Speaker 3: doesn't tell me of that stuff. He's going home and

469
00:19:05,760 --> 00:19:08,240
Speaker 3: doing commercials or hanging with his buds or whatever he does.

470
00:19:09,840 --> 00:19:12,960
Speaker 3: The Jets things back to a topic I understand better.

471
00:19:14,200 --> 00:19:17,520
Speaker 3: I think there's a reason that the Jets have really

472
00:19:17,600 --> 00:19:21,159
Speaker 3: been underachievers my whole lifetime. And I think being an

473
00:19:21,280 --> 00:19:23,920
Speaker 3: NFL owner is a lot harder than people think. There's

474
00:19:24,040 --> 00:19:26,440
Speaker 3: no manual too. I've said this for a couple of years.

475
00:19:26,640 --> 00:19:30,640
Speaker 2: Here's the thing about being an NFL owner, Matt. Most

476
00:19:30,680 --> 00:19:33,880
Speaker 2: of these guys who are NFL owners, most of them

477
00:19:35,200 --> 00:19:38,560
Speaker 2: had success in another field. They bought the team because.

478
00:19:38,320 --> 00:19:42,119
Speaker 3: Of what they did and Tech created home depots, person example.

479
00:19:42,200 --> 00:19:45,159
Speaker 2: Yeah, Tepper had all this business acumen. He did all this,

480
00:19:45,600 --> 00:19:47,239
Speaker 2: So I'm going to buy a team and then they

481
00:19:47,320 --> 00:19:50,720
Speaker 2: can't understand why it doesn't work in the same fashion

482
00:19:51,200 --> 00:19:54,080
Speaker 2: on the end for a professional franchise.

483
00:19:54,280 --> 00:19:56,760
Speaker 3: Right. And there's no owner's manual too, I mean there's

484
00:19:56,800 --> 00:19:59,920
Speaker 3: no guide to tell you this is how you own

485
00:19:59,920 --> 00:20:02,320
Speaker 3: it team, and no one's going to tell you no. Right,

486
00:20:02,600 --> 00:20:04,720
Speaker 3: that's the feeling like if you really had a strong

487
00:20:04,880 --> 00:20:07,639
Speaker 3: right hand man, strong console YETI that could be like,

488
00:20:08,960 --> 00:20:10,520
Speaker 3: you don't know what you're doing. You need the wartime

489
00:20:11,520 --> 00:20:16,160
Speaker 3: rights around absolutely and needs to tell you, hey, don

490
00:20:16,240 --> 00:20:17,359
Speaker 3: you know you're not We're.

491
00:20:17,240 --> 00:20:18,960
Speaker 2: Not saying we're not sending a guy out here to

492
00:20:19,200 --> 00:20:21,280
Speaker 2: talk to a Hollywood producer and put a horse head

493
00:20:21,280 --> 00:20:21,919
Speaker 2: in this, right.

494
00:20:22,080 --> 00:20:25,800
Speaker 3: We mean, somebody here, don't bring a knife to a gunfight.

495
00:20:25,920 --> 00:20:26,080
Speaker 2: You know.

496
00:20:26,240 --> 00:20:28,480
Speaker 3: This is We're gonna do battle with the Patriots and

497
00:20:28,520 --> 00:20:31,200
Speaker 3: Bills and Dolphins and the rest of the AFC. But

498
00:20:31,320 --> 00:20:33,719
Speaker 3: I definitely believe there are some teams and it has

499
00:20:33,800 --> 00:20:36,639
Speaker 3: to start with ownership that don't quite get it, you know.

500
00:20:36,880 --> 00:20:39,879
Speaker 3: And I also will concede, I think it's harder to

501
00:20:39,960 --> 00:20:42,679
Speaker 3: be successful in the New York market than it is others.

502
00:20:42,720 --> 00:20:43,520
Speaker 4: There's a lot more eyes.

503
00:20:43,680 --> 00:20:45,720
Speaker 3: There's a lot more eyes, and you know you've brought

504
00:20:45,760 --> 00:20:48,320
Speaker 3: this up. I mean, how many Beat reporters will be

505
00:20:48,359 --> 00:20:50,920
Speaker 3: there at Steeler training camp. We'll multiply that times five

506
00:20:51,200 --> 00:20:53,359
Speaker 3: in New York, and they of have to write something

507
00:20:53,520 --> 00:20:56,040
Speaker 3: and you know, whether they know anything or not, you know.

508
00:20:57,000 --> 00:20:58,879
Speaker 3: But I don't think it's a good recipe for the Jets.

509
00:20:59,119 --> 00:21:00,840
Speaker 4: I don't think it is here. I could see this

510
00:21:00,880 --> 00:21:01,639
Speaker 4: whole thing blowing up.

511
00:21:01,720 --> 00:21:02,919
Speaker 3: Rodgers is a weird dude too.

512
00:21:03,440 --> 00:21:03,640
Speaker 4: Yeah.

513
00:21:03,920 --> 00:21:06,359
Speaker 3: I think that's the thing more than Rogers.

514
00:21:06,200 --> 00:21:07,240
Speaker 2: No doubt. You know.

515
00:21:08,720 --> 00:21:08,880
Speaker 3: Them.

516
00:21:08,920 --> 00:21:10,960
Speaker 2: You put all your eggs in that in that Aaron

517
00:21:11,040 --> 00:21:14,680
Speaker 2: Rodgers basket. It lasted four plays last year. However many

518
00:21:14,720 --> 00:21:15,240
Speaker 2: plays it was.

519
00:21:15,359 --> 00:21:19,439
Speaker 3: I mean hypothetical. Let's say they're two and six. Rogers

520
00:21:19,520 --> 00:21:21,320
Speaker 3: might just not come to work and go to Jeopardy,

521
00:21:22,560 --> 00:21:24,240
Speaker 3: you know, or go to the woods or you know,

522
00:21:24,760 --> 00:21:27,800
Speaker 3: you know what I mean, just disappear. Who knows. I mean,

523
00:21:27,840 --> 00:21:29,360
Speaker 3: he's an odd dude. Yeah.

524
00:21:31,280 --> 00:21:33,399
Speaker 2: I bring this up because of the you know, the

525
00:21:33,480 --> 00:21:37,879
Speaker 2: situation with Russell Wilson here in Pittsburgh as well. The

526
00:21:37,920 --> 00:21:41,760
Speaker 2: Steelers haven't gone out of their way to do like

527
00:21:41,800 --> 00:21:43,920
Speaker 2: you're not bringing in a bunch of Oh this this

528
00:21:44,000 --> 00:21:46,200
Speaker 2: will make life, you know, this is Russ's buddy, this

529
00:21:46,400 --> 00:21:48,720
Speaker 2: is this, this is that, and it's certainly not the

530
00:21:48,760 --> 00:21:50,480
Speaker 2: same asking him to come in and.

531
00:21:51,960 --> 00:21:53,960
Speaker 4: Change his personality to fit your team.

532
00:21:54,119 --> 00:21:56,160
Speaker 3: Sure, even if you were to trade for Tyler Lockett,

533
00:21:57,080 --> 00:21:58,720
Speaker 3: you definitely run it by them. But it's not like

534
00:21:58,880 --> 00:22:01,840
Speaker 3: you guys have to trade for t Yeah, he doesn't.

535
00:22:01,600 --> 00:22:04,439
Speaker 2: Have that kind of like that's that's but that's immediately

536
00:22:04,560 --> 00:22:07,960
Speaker 2: what the what the Jets did with Rogers Immediately, like Cobb,

537
00:22:08,680 --> 00:22:09,720
Speaker 2: you shouldn't be in the league.

538
00:22:09,960 --> 00:22:12,080
Speaker 3: You know, Lazard got two million more than he should

539
00:22:12,119 --> 00:22:14,560
Speaker 3: and he's not the answer, Like there's blatant.

540
00:22:14,840 --> 00:22:17,880
Speaker 4: Yeah, and he didn't sign Bucktiari in the offseason.

541
00:22:17,960 --> 00:22:19,760
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, and they might Now I guess you're still

542
00:22:20,200 --> 00:22:22,359
Speaker 3: throw the mix, you know. And I don't think it's

543
00:22:22,400 --> 00:22:26,520
Speaker 3: similar at all to you hire Arthur Smith and then

544
00:22:26,560 --> 00:22:32,040
Speaker 3: you go get Van Jefferson, Cordell Patterson, Mike Hill. It's

545
00:22:32,080 --> 00:22:34,560
Speaker 3: different because those guys are cheap for one thing. Right,

546
00:22:34,800 --> 00:22:36,399
Speaker 3: It wasn't like you traded a first round pick for

547
00:22:36,560 --> 00:22:39,080
Speaker 3: Chris Linsterrom because the offense coordinator told you to. I mean,

548
00:22:39,080 --> 00:22:40,960
Speaker 3: that's not what's going on at all. It's like these

549
00:22:41,000 --> 00:22:42,959
Speaker 3: guys know the system and they're good prices.

550
00:22:43,400 --> 00:22:43,640
Speaker 4: Yeah.

551
00:22:43,760 --> 00:22:48,440
Speaker 2: So I just think it's an interesting dynamic there, you know,

552
00:22:48,560 --> 00:22:51,159
Speaker 2: in terms of you know, even if you look at

553
00:22:51,200 --> 00:22:54,600
Speaker 2: what Atlanta did with Kirk Cousins, like they didn't bend

554
00:22:54,640 --> 00:22:56,640
Speaker 2: over backwards, you go get a bunch of former Vikings.

555
00:22:57,040 --> 00:23:00,200
Speaker 3: No, no, no, if anything, they alienated them by after

556
00:23:00,280 --> 00:23:03,320
Speaker 3: a quarterback. Yeah, I mean it kind of cut his

557
00:23:04,000 --> 00:23:05,359
Speaker 3: legs out from under him a little bit. In the

558
00:23:05,400 --> 00:23:10,000
Speaker 3: locker room, I wonder. I mean, I'm sure especially basketball,

559
00:23:11,040 --> 00:23:13,160
Speaker 3: I'm sure Jordan had some say what happened in Chicle?

560
00:23:13,400 --> 00:23:15,040
Speaker 2: Sure, you know what I mean, there's twelve guys in

561
00:23:15,080 --> 00:23:15,680
Speaker 2: your locker room.

562
00:23:15,720 --> 00:23:15,920
Speaker 3: Yeah.

563
00:23:15,920 --> 00:23:18,800
Speaker 4: In basketball, yeah, much dynamic.

564
00:23:19,119 --> 00:23:21,399
Speaker 3: And I'm sure in football history, I don't know. I

565
00:23:21,440 --> 00:23:24,000
Speaker 3: was about to say, I only Brady, I much say.

566
00:23:24,400 --> 00:23:26,360
Speaker 2: I mean he brought he got them to sign Antonio

567
00:23:26,440 --> 00:23:27,080
Speaker 2: Brown twice.

568
00:23:27,400 --> 00:23:31,240
Speaker 3: Yeah, but that was Belichick's I mean Belichick's.

569
00:23:30,760 --> 00:23:33,960
Speaker 2: Belichick the first time, and in in you know, in

570
00:23:34,080 --> 00:23:36,240
Speaker 2: Tampa the second time. But arians was there and he

571
00:23:36,720 --> 00:23:38,800
Speaker 2: knew Antonio Brown. Yeah, they figured he could.

572
00:23:38,800 --> 00:23:40,080
Speaker 3: I think Brady had power in Tampa.

573
00:23:40,280 --> 00:23:42,560
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, but that's a similar dynamic.

574
00:23:42,600 --> 00:23:43,440
Speaker 3: That's a similar dynamic.

575
00:23:43,440 --> 00:23:46,040
Speaker 4: You're giving the guy power for what he's done elsewhere.

576
00:23:46,640 --> 00:23:51,119
Speaker 3: Yeah, with your new year and right, right right, it's interesting.

577
00:23:51,800 --> 00:23:53,760
Speaker 3: What was I gonna say about that? Like, I don't

578
00:23:53,760 --> 00:23:56,200
Speaker 3: think Walsh ran things by Montana.

579
00:23:56,680 --> 00:23:58,159
Speaker 4: He definitely didn't come he got rid of him.

580
00:23:58,200 --> 00:24:00,440
Speaker 3: This is our team. Yeah, you're gonna do what we do.

581
00:24:00,520 --> 00:24:02,800
Speaker 3: And I think that's basically how Brady Belichick went for

582
00:24:02,880 --> 00:24:05,760
Speaker 3: at least most of that time twenty year stretch or whatever.

583
00:24:06,160 --> 00:24:08,560
Speaker 3: I do think in Tampa, and I think Tom deserved it,

584
00:24:08,920 --> 00:24:11,840
Speaker 3: and maybe that's part of the reason he picked Tampa was, well,

585
00:24:12,000 --> 00:24:13,479
Speaker 3: we run some things by me in terms of how

586
00:24:13,480 --> 00:24:15,120
Speaker 3: we can build this thing, and they won the Super Bowl.

587
00:24:15,119 --> 00:24:15,280
Speaker 2: You know.

588
00:24:15,800 --> 00:24:18,720
Speaker 3: Ye the Laker thing grubs me wrong though. It kind

589
00:24:18,760 --> 00:24:20,679
Speaker 3: of does a coach than the Sun, Like.

590
00:24:20,720 --> 00:24:22,159
Speaker 2: I'm going to coach and knows how to coach and

591
00:24:22,520 --> 00:24:26,000
Speaker 2: you and you see, and I've heard this. I think

592
00:24:26,040 --> 00:24:27,880
Speaker 2: it came up, cropped up, you know, maybe the last

593
00:24:27,920 --> 00:24:33,359
Speaker 2: couple of years here where young NFL stars, well, you know,

594
00:24:33,400 --> 00:24:35,720
Speaker 2: we want to be treated like NBA players, like with

595
00:24:35,800 --> 00:24:36,720
Speaker 2: Caleb Williams.

596
00:24:36,680 --> 00:24:37,359
Speaker 4: That kind of control.

597
00:24:37,480 --> 00:24:40,560
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm not going there. My brand. It is a

598
00:24:40,680 --> 00:24:43,879
Speaker 3: much different sport and the world's going that direction. I mean,

599
00:24:44,720 --> 00:24:47,880
Speaker 3: Caleb Williams made some stink, but in the end he's

600
00:24:48,080 --> 00:24:48,600
Speaker 3: going to be a bear.

601
00:24:48,640 --> 00:24:51,040
Speaker 2: And I mean Marvin Harrison would didn't sign the the

602
00:24:51,840 --> 00:24:52,720
Speaker 2: licensing agreement.

603
00:24:52,760 --> 00:24:55,200
Speaker 3: He had his own licensing, like it didn't work out

604
00:24:55,240 --> 00:24:57,280
Speaker 3: like everybody or you know, so, yeah, they had more

605
00:24:57,320 --> 00:25:00,680
Speaker 3: power than they did ten years ago. I remember even

606
00:25:00,760 --> 00:25:03,919
Speaker 3: like when McCaffrey didn't play in Stanford's bowl game. Oh

607
00:25:04,040 --> 00:25:07,280
Speaker 3: my god, no, nobody, no, everybody's right, like why would

608
00:25:07,359 --> 00:25:09,160
Speaker 3: you now the outliers are the guys who do play

609
00:25:09,160 --> 00:25:11,040
Speaker 3: in the ball I mean that it's a playoff type game.

610
00:25:11,080 --> 00:25:14,040
Speaker 3: I mean McCaffrey would have Stafford or Stafford got eliminator

611
00:25:14,080 --> 00:25:16,560
Speaker 3: or whatever, so he didn't play in it. Looking back,

612
00:25:16,640 --> 00:25:18,320
Speaker 3: it's like that's not even close to red flag.

613
00:25:18,640 --> 00:25:21,119
Speaker 2: Yeah, I just I just found that very interesting, Like

614
00:25:22,119 --> 00:25:24,399
Speaker 2: you would I don't want to say waste a draft pick,

615
00:25:24,440 --> 00:25:27,239
Speaker 2: but they kind of did. Yeah, wasted a draft pick

616
00:25:27,280 --> 00:25:29,480
Speaker 2: on a player quite frankly, again, if his name was

617
00:25:29,720 --> 00:25:33,879
Speaker 2: was was you know Lebron Lawley doesn't get drafted.

618
00:25:34,359 --> 00:25:38,200
Speaker 3: I wonder if I'm a scout, low level entry level

619
00:25:38,240 --> 00:25:39,800
Speaker 3: scout for the Lakers and I have to write a

620
00:25:39,840 --> 00:25:42,760
Speaker 3: report on Brownie. That's what they call him, right, Yeah,

621
00:25:43,440 --> 00:25:44,600
Speaker 3: am I really gonna be honest?

622
00:25:45,440 --> 00:25:46,680
Speaker 4: That's a that's a good question.

623
00:25:47,840 --> 00:25:50,879
Speaker 3: Like he's undrafted, it has no handle, can't shift it right,

624
00:25:50,880 --> 00:25:53,639
Speaker 3: all right. I can't imagine him being a contributor to

625
00:25:53,760 --> 00:25:55,840
Speaker 3: NFL level or NHL or NBA level.

626
00:25:55,960 --> 00:25:58,240
Speaker 2: It might take four years. I mean, is there any

627
00:25:58,320 --> 00:26:00,680
Speaker 2: doubt that he's going to be on the court for

628
00:26:00,760 --> 00:26:02,120
Speaker 2: the Lakers at some point this year.

629
00:26:02,200 --> 00:26:03,359
Speaker 3: That I was going to ask you? I mean, I

630
00:26:03,440 --> 00:26:05,119
Speaker 3: know he'll be on the team over top.

631
00:26:05,200 --> 00:26:07,160
Speaker 4: Over top of somebody else that they could have had

632
00:26:07,280 --> 00:26:07,800
Speaker 4: that spot.

633
00:26:08,359 --> 00:26:10,040
Speaker 3: So to say, do you think they play him a lot?

634
00:26:10,560 --> 00:26:12,639
Speaker 2: Not a lot, but I think he plays some because

635
00:26:12,880 --> 00:26:14,720
Speaker 2: because his dad wants him to play with wants to.

636
00:26:14,680 --> 00:26:16,440
Speaker 3: Play with him. Yeah, I thought that just might be

637
00:26:16,480 --> 00:26:18,320
Speaker 3: happy and be in the locker room practice every day.

638
00:26:18,440 --> 00:26:20,080
Speaker 4: Got the like he actually wants to take the floor

639
00:26:20,119 --> 00:26:20,399
Speaker 4: with him.

640
00:26:20,760 --> 00:26:23,600
Speaker 2: Okay, this isn't a Ken Griffy Senior, Ken Griffy Junior

641
00:26:23,720 --> 00:26:26,000
Speaker 2: kind of thing. Yeah, Junior is actually better than dad.

642
00:26:26,080 --> 00:26:28,159
Speaker 2: Yeah right right, you know this is a you know, no,

643
00:26:28,400 --> 00:26:32,680
Speaker 2: this guy's a borderline maybe not even an NBA player.

644
00:26:32,800 --> 00:26:35,000
Speaker 3: In terms of people that see minutes. He's going to

645
00:26:35,040 --> 00:26:36,280
Speaker 3: be one of the worst in the league this year,

646
00:26:36,320 --> 00:26:38,640
Speaker 3: no doubt in the whole league. I mean he of course.

647
00:26:38,800 --> 00:26:41,320
Speaker 2: Yeah again four points a game last year at USC,

648
00:26:42,560 --> 00:26:44,440
Speaker 2: Like was he I assume he was a starter.

649
00:26:45,680 --> 00:26:48,520
Speaker 3: I don't think he was, but he wasn't their best player.

650
00:26:48,720 --> 00:26:51,840
Speaker 4: No, he's a six six foot two shooting guard like

651
00:26:52,720 --> 00:26:53,440
Speaker 4: a diamond, doesn't.

652
00:26:53,480 --> 00:26:55,640
Speaker 3: Yeah, like that's as common as it gets. Yeah, that's

653
00:26:55,640 --> 00:26:58,040
Speaker 3: a seventh round running back. I mean that's right. Yeah, yeah, okay,

654
00:26:58,280 --> 00:27:01,880
Speaker 3: so it's crazy. Yeah, absolutely, But let's get to a coach,

655
00:27:01,920 --> 00:27:02,840
Speaker 3: Samoris be more though.

656
00:27:02,880 --> 00:27:03,480
Speaker 4: It really does.

657
00:27:03,720 --> 00:27:06,200
Speaker 3: I need in game adjustments, I need how to handle travel.

658
00:27:06,320 --> 00:27:07,760
Speaker 3: I need, you know, some kind of presence.

659
00:27:07,960 --> 00:27:10,959
Speaker 2: Can't because you and you and he'd do a podcast together, right,

660
00:27:11,080 --> 00:27:12,199
Speaker 2: That doesn't get me anywhere?

661
00:27:12,359 --> 00:27:14,600
Speaker 3: Right, And it's this is the Lakers people that hired

662
00:27:14,640 --> 00:27:16,600
Speaker 3: Ted Williams to be a coach, and he's never coached before.

663
00:27:16,600 --> 00:27:18,399
Speaker 3: It always like, well, can't you read the seams on

664
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Speaker 3: the ball, Like, no, I can't, Tad, Well, that's different.

665
00:27:20,680 --> 00:27:23,200
Speaker 2: Like, so you see that with great players a lot,

666
00:27:23,640 --> 00:27:27,880
Speaker 2: you know, every time every time a Steeler retires, Yeah,

667
00:27:27,960 --> 00:27:29,800
Speaker 2: a former great SI, Well, he'd be a great coach.

668
00:27:30,280 --> 00:27:31,119
Speaker 2: Well maybe he wouldn't.

669
00:27:31,160 --> 00:27:32,399
Speaker 4: Does he want to put the hours in it?

670
00:27:32,640 --> 00:27:34,359
Speaker 3: Be there one hundred hours a week, you know.

671
00:27:34,720 --> 00:27:37,840
Speaker 4: And sometimes great players are just are great because they

672
00:27:37,960 --> 00:27:38,400
Speaker 4: just are.

673
00:27:38,920 --> 00:27:41,199
Speaker 3: Yeah. They great players are the same thing.

674
00:27:41,280 --> 00:27:44,000
Speaker 2: They can't teach it necessarily, but they're they're great players.

675
00:27:44,000 --> 00:27:46,040
Speaker 3: They're great players, but they're expecting.

676
00:27:46,160 --> 00:27:47,800
Speaker 2: One of the problems with Ted Williams since you brought

677
00:27:47,880 --> 00:27:49,840
Speaker 2: them up, was that he expected everybody to see things

678
00:27:49,880 --> 00:27:50,560
Speaker 2: the same way he did.

679
00:27:50,640 --> 00:27:52,520
Speaker 3: That's why I heard it, right. And can't you read

680
00:27:52,560 --> 00:27:54,760
Speaker 3: the seams on the ball? Those? No, because you're special?

681
00:27:54,920 --> 00:27:56,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, right right, yeah, everything.

682
00:27:57,280 --> 00:27:59,800
Speaker 4: Wilson is coming in and tell me what what you know?

683
00:28:00,480 --> 00:28:01,159
Speaker 2: No, I can't do that.

684
00:28:01,240 --> 00:28:03,000
Speaker 3: I can't do that. I'm sorry, coach. You're right. Yeah,

685
00:28:03,040 --> 00:28:04,600
Speaker 3: well then I don't know how to fix You're a

686
00:28:06,119 --> 00:28:06,920
Speaker 3: there's two in the world.

687
00:28:07,040 --> 00:28:12,679
Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely, let's get their break. He is Matt Williams

688
00:28:12,720 --> 00:28:14,719
Speaker 2: and I'm Dale Lollie. You're listening to the Drive here

689
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Speaker 2: Tanger outlets the other day, Ah nice, and just stopped

702
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Speaker 2: in the Steelers recognize you sign autograph.

703
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Speaker 3: So they did not know. Okay, I've been in there too.

704
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Speaker 3: No one's ever know.

705
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Speaker 2: Yeah, they don't know. They have no idea who I

706
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Speaker 2: am the time you recognizes camp Yeah, my whole life.

707
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Speaker 2: Ye yeah, nobody's looking for me there. But yeah, so

708
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Speaker 2: by go check out those stores. Lots of good stuff there.

709
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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, man, I don't know if you saw this.

710
00:29:16,520 --> 00:29:23,080
Speaker 2: This one was interesting to me. So Broncos linebacker Jonas Griffith,

711
00:29:23,320 --> 00:29:25,480
Speaker 2: who could walk right in here, he could walk into

712
00:29:25,520 --> 00:29:28,400
Speaker 2: this studio right now, punch us both in the face.

713
00:29:28,240 --> 00:29:29,840
Speaker 3: And we go who just hit me in the face

714
00:29:29,840 --> 00:29:31,720
Speaker 3: and would be unhappy about it, I'm sure, but yeah,

715
00:29:31,760 --> 00:29:32,640
Speaker 3: I don't know who he is, right.

716
00:29:33,560 --> 00:29:35,320
Speaker 2: He came out this week and said he wants to

717
00:29:35,400 --> 00:29:38,480
Speaker 2: pick up I'm really excited for any game I play in,

718
00:29:40,040 --> 00:29:42,120
Speaker 2: but he said he wants to He can't wait. He

719
00:29:42,280 --> 00:29:44,840
Speaker 2: circled the one against Russell Wilson and the Steelers on

720
00:29:44,920 --> 00:29:48,240
Speaker 2: September fifteenth, because he wants to beat the Steelers first

721
00:29:48,280 --> 00:29:50,800
Speaker 2: of all, because it's a good organization and I want

722
00:29:50,800 --> 00:29:52,480
Speaker 2: to pick off us for sure. I think that would

723
00:29:52,480 --> 00:29:53,840
Speaker 2: be really cool. We just to pick him off and

724
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Speaker 2: get the victory first and foremost. And my first thought was,

725
00:29:57,200 --> 00:29:59,960
Speaker 2: who in the hell is Jonas Griffith Patrick?

726
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Speaker 3: Certain? Yeah, you know what I mean? Like, or should

727
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Speaker 3: you even if Sean Page was playing that out there

728
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Speaker 3: right now?

729
00:30:06,440 --> 00:30:09,080
Speaker 2: You're not even Probably maybe you're guaranteed to make the

730
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Speaker 2: Broncos roster because it's awful.

731
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Speaker 3: Because Yeah, I was about to ask you was he

732
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Speaker 3: a Bronco? Does he was he on Wilson's Was he

733
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Speaker 3: a teammate last year the team? Yeah?

734
00:30:17,400 --> 00:30:19,960
Speaker 4: Apparently is towards ACL last year?

735
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Speaker 3: Is he a lifetime special teamer? Like I knew nothing

736
00:30:22,200 --> 00:30:24,120
Speaker 3: about the player? Apparently all we need to know in

737
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Speaker 3: this conversation they had, so he was a uh, I mean,

738
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Speaker 3: who cares? He's done nothing, is the bottom line?

739
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Speaker 2: Yeah, undefend he's a twenty He's a twenty seven year

740
00:30:37,240 --> 00:30:40,160
Speaker 2: old linebacker missed the entire twenty twenty three season after

741
00:30:40,480 --> 00:30:44,400
Speaker 2: tearing his ACL in August. An undrafted rookie free agent

742
00:30:44,480 --> 00:30:46,960
Speaker 2: out of Indiana State, he's also played with the forty

743
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Speaker 2: nine Ers and Colts before joining the Broncos. He played

744
00:30:49,920 --> 00:30:52,400
Speaker 2: in twenty two games for the Broncos, making twelve starts.

745
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Speaker 3: So he doesn't even sound like he's guaranteed to make

746
00:30:54,800 --> 00:30:57,400
Speaker 3: the team. No, of course he'd love all this stuff

747
00:30:58,280 --> 00:31:00,800
Speaker 3: like he's on a roster and the field if he's

748
00:31:00,800 --> 00:31:02,880
Speaker 3: gonna pick him off, like, I bet you're not even

749
00:31:02,920 --> 00:31:04,840
Speaker 3: one of their starting linebackers. I'm sure he isn't at

750
00:31:04,880 --> 00:31:07,200
Speaker 3: this point. I know he isn't. I mean, I get it.

751
00:31:07,320 --> 00:31:09,160
Speaker 3: I mean, like again, it's not just a stealer thing.

752
00:31:09,240 --> 00:31:13,960
Speaker 3: If someone the one year ago a Packers linebacker says

753
00:31:14,000 --> 00:31:16,800
Speaker 3: I can't wait to play against Rogers. Cool, Okay, I

754
00:31:16,840 --> 00:31:19,240
Speaker 3: mean yeah, I'm sure that's true. You know, if you

755
00:31:19,320 --> 00:31:23,320
Speaker 3: know the guy and he's a potential, I had a

756
00:31:23,400 --> 00:31:26,280
Speaker 3: great career I'm sure Patriots were excited to play against

757
00:31:26,320 --> 00:31:29,160
Speaker 3: Brady when he was in or not it didn't go

758
00:31:29,280 --> 00:31:32,280
Speaker 3: so well. But I mean, be smart, read the room.

759
00:31:32,480 --> 00:31:35,040
Speaker 3: I mean, would this even be a story if it

760
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Speaker 3: was draft time or I mean if it wasn't the

761
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Speaker 3: down time of news, would anybody even care? But I

762
00:31:41,920 --> 00:31:43,760
Speaker 3: don't know, why does anyone even have a microphone in

763
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Speaker 3: this dude's face?

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Speaker 2: That's my big question, Like, what is why are you

765
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Speaker 2: saying anything? Like? I don't even know. Again, I just

766
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Speaker 2: all they had the headline on NFL dot Com was,

767
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Speaker 2: you know, Bronco's linebacker.

768
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Speaker 4: Wants to pick off Russell Wilson. I'm like, who is it?

769
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Speaker 4: I opened it up, I'm like, who's I never heard

770
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Speaker 4: of this?

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Speaker 2: Dude.

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Speaker 3: Like, I'm sure we'll hear a lot of stuff leading

773
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Speaker 3: up the week one Arthur Smith versus the Falcon. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: I get that he was the head coach, he's not

775
00:32:07,520 --> 00:32:10,280
Speaker 3: the backup linebacker did make the team. I mean, if

776
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Speaker 3: Tomlin was a Falcon right now, it'd be like, oh, wow,

777
00:32:13,280 --> 00:32:15,880
Speaker 3: he's playing against Steelers. This is really noteworthy. You know

778
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Speaker 3: that's different.

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Speaker 4: It's a weird one. I was just I just it

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Speaker 4: just stood out to me as like, really, yeah right,

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Speaker 4: it doesn't make any sense.

782
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Speaker 2: Why would you why would you even mention it? Why

783
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Speaker 2: would you open that up? So this is when you

784
00:32:27,200 --> 00:32:29,040
Speaker 2: sent me Matt and this, I thought, this is interesting.

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Speaker 3: This from Warrensharp. This is from warn stuff.

786
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Speaker 2: Yeah, since the twenty twenty season.

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Speaker 3: This is like a quarter of a century.

788
00:32:35,880 --> 00:32:37,880
Speaker 4: Yeah, longer than that.

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Speaker 2: We're not four seasons into this, twenty twenty, twenty one,

790
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Speaker 2: twenty two centuries, twenty five years, We're not quite there.

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Speaker 4: No, this is since twenty twenty.

792
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Speaker 3: I know, but this is like a quarter of a

793
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Speaker 3: century of data too late.

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Speaker 2: No, it's since the twenty twenty season. That means it's

795
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Speaker 2: four seas I was thinking since the two thousands.

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Speaker 3: Come on, man, okay, okay, okay, okay, gotcha? Twenty twenty

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Speaker 3: Okay I missed? Okay, gotcha? Yes, yes, because the numbers

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Speaker 3: would all be bigger across it.

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Speaker 4: They would be much bigger.

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00:33:04,320 --> 00:33:04,440
Speaker 3: Yes.

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00:33:04,520 --> 00:33:09,320
Speaker 2: Yes, the Steelers have been that the NFL's best come

802
00:33:09,400 --> 00:33:14,120
Speaker 2: from behind team. They have won fifteen games since the

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Speaker 2: twenty twenty started the twenty twenty season.

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Speaker 4: That's four seasons.

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Speaker 3: Matter. I actually did a podcast today and did the

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Speaker 3: whole thing through the lens of twenty twenty okay or

807
00:33:22,920 --> 00:33:25,200
Speaker 3: twenty two thousand. Yeah, so I'll correct it, but it's

808
00:33:25,240 --> 00:33:26,040
Speaker 3: still the same theory.

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Speaker 2: Okay, they've won, They've come from behind him won fifteen times.

810
00:33:31,320 --> 00:33:33,160
Speaker 3: And when you say come from behind.

811
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Speaker 4: They trailed entering the third quarter.

812
00:33:35,160 --> 00:33:36,880
Speaker 3: The fourth whistleblows at the end of the fourth or

813
00:33:36,960 --> 00:33:39,640
Speaker 3: the third quarter, and you're losing on the scoreboard, whether

814
00:33:39,720 --> 00:33:42,840
Speaker 3: by one or one hundred, you're losing on the scoreboard.

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Speaker 3: And they've come back fifteen times to win those games.

816
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Speaker 2: The next closest team, see this is what's not Kansas

817
00:33:50,040 --> 00:33:51,960
Speaker 2: is Kansas City with ten right.

818
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Speaker 3: And they probably have had fewer opportunities right than any

819
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Speaker 3: team the league, but it's still ten. But it's ten.

820
00:33:56,120 --> 00:33:58,400
Speaker 3: It's five games difference, which is nuts.

821
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Speaker 2: You look at some of the other teams the rest

822
00:34:00,320 --> 00:34:03,600
Speaker 2: of the AFC, North Cincinnati and Baltimore are tied with

823
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Speaker 2: for fifth on this list with six. I would say

824
00:34:06,920 --> 00:34:10,040
Speaker 2: like league average is like five, yeah, which is where

825
00:34:10,120 --> 00:34:12,200
Speaker 2: Cleveland's at Cleveland has done it five times.

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Speaker 3: There's a handful of teams that have two. Right, you know,

827
00:34:14,560 --> 00:34:16,319
Speaker 3: like you're down one point going to the fourth quarter

828
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Speaker 3: and you only win two games.

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Speaker 2: The thing to remember about that, now, two of those

830
00:34:20,640 --> 00:34:23,520
Speaker 2: seasons they had Ben Roethlisberger, who's one of the best

831
00:34:23,560 --> 00:34:25,680
Speaker 2: comeback quarterbacks in league history.

832
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Speaker 3: Yes, it's like.

833
00:34:26,480 --> 00:34:29,920
Speaker 4: Forty three career and a fourth quarter wins.

834
00:34:30,040 --> 00:34:33,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, drives. They also had two seasons where they did

835
00:34:34,000 --> 00:34:36,200
Speaker 2: it with Kenny Pickett, Misterrubisky and Mason Rudolph.

836
00:34:37,239 --> 00:34:40,560
Speaker 3: Yeah. So I threw this out on Twitter, just retweeted Warren,

837
00:34:41,239 --> 00:34:44,920
Speaker 3: and of course you get some responses of that's just Tomlin.

838
00:34:45,040 --> 00:34:46,560
Speaker 3: That's the way he wants to play the game. He

839
00:34:46,640 --> 00:34:48,200
Speaker 3: wants it to be close and hopes he gets a

840
00:34:48,200 --> 00:34:52,240
Speaker 3: good bounce. I'm like, well, why is that negative?

841
00:34:52,360 --> 00:34:52,600
Speaker 2: Yeah?

842
00:34:52,719 --> 00:34:54,359
Speaker 3: I mean, if that's the cards you if you don't

843
00:34:54,360 --> 00:34:56,279
Speaker 3: have better cards than the poker player next to you,

844
00:34:56,920 --> 00:34:59,520
Speaker 3: you got to finesse what you can to be around.

845
00:34:59,640 --> 00:35:01,760
Speaker 3: And thing I took away with it, I really, you've.

846
00:35:01,600 --> 00:35:05,279
Speaker 2: Done this one hundred and fifty times percent better than

847
00:35:05,920 --> 00:35:08,560
Speaker 2: Cincinnati and Baltimore and you're in division they have six.

848
00:35:08,600 --> 00:35:10,960
Speaker 3: You got better quarterbacks than you two. Yeah, but definitely

849
00:35:11,000 --> 00:35:13,319
Speaker 3: better quarterbacks. You know, all respect to Ben, but Ben

850
00:35:13,400 --> 00:35:15,480
Speaker 3: at the end was not Burrow or Lamar or you know,

851
00:35:15,520 --> 00:35:17,960
Speaker 3: all those things. And Mahomes is different, but they're a

852
00:35:18,080 --> 00:35:21,680
Speaker 3: distant second, distant distant. I mean like Josh Allen's not close,

853
00:35:22,000 --> 00:35:25,759
Speaker 3: or you know, or Belichick's not close, or Harbar or

854
00:35:25,800 --> 00:35:28,160
Speaker 3: whatever coach you want to do, or quarterback, you know,

855
00:35:28,200 --> 00:35:31,520
Speaker 3: they're not close. One thing I've stressed in the podcast

856
00:35:31,560 --> 00:35:36,280
Speaker 3: today talking about it though, was physical toughness, being in shape,

857
00:35:37,480 --> 00:35:39,080
Speaker 3: not ever hanging it up.

858
00:35:39,200 --> 00:35:39,920
Speaker 4: Don't blank you know.

859
00:35:39,920 --> 00:35:43,720
Speaker 3: What I mean, Like fourth quarters, about being in shape,

860
00:35:43,800 --> 00:35:46,560
Speaker 3: being mentally and physically all of those games where they

861
00:35:46,760 --> 00:35:51,279
Speaker 3: they're only down a field goal, some we're ten. Yeah, yeah,

862
00:35:51,280 --> 00:35:53,879
Speaker 3: I mean, I'm sure it's similar for all. I mean,

863
00:35:53,920 --> 00:35:56,759
Speaker 3: I this is too nerdy, but what it was every

864
00:35:56,840 --> 00:36:00,680
Speaker 3: team's margin going into the fourth quarter. Maybe theirs is

865
00:36:00,760 --> 00:36:02,279
Speaker 3: lower than most because they play a lot of low

866
00:36:02,320 --> 00:36:04,800
Speaker 3: scoring games and they're defensive minded team over that stretch,

867
00:36:04,840 --> 00:36:07,640
Speaker 3: and they played close games. But there's so many stats

868
00:36:07,640 --> 00:36:08,840
Speaker 3: out there and I went through. I sent you some

869
00:36:08,920 --> 00:36:12,480
Speaker 3: really nerdy stuff today about like where the Steelers are

870
00:36:12,520 --> 00:36:15,239
Speaker 3: just different than other teams in terms of winning one

871
00:36:15,320 --> 00:36:19,680
Speaker 3: score games, fucking league wide trends about doing this year

872
00:36:19,719 --> 00:36:23,239
Speaker 3: after year after year, stuff that the statisticians will tell

873
00:36:23,239 --> 00:36:27,000
Speaker 3: you isn't sticky year to year, but there's one team

874
00:36:27,080 --> 00:36:29,720
Speaker 3: that it is, like, there can't be an accident.

875
00:36:30,040 --> 00:36:33,839
Speaker 2: So right now, Russell Wilson, the whole show has kind

876
00:36:33,840 --> 00:36:34,719
Speaker 2: of been about Russell.

877
00:36:34,520 --> 00:36:35,640
Speaker 3: Willis at yeah, a lot of it.

878
00:36:36,400 --> 00:36:37,840
Speaker 4: So Russell Wilson.

879
00:36:39,040 --> 00:36:42,439
Speaker 2: Is ninth time for ninth on the league's all time

880
00:36:42,920 --> 00:36:46,120
Speaker 2: fourth quarter comeback list with thirty one with John.

881
00:36:45,960 --> 00:36:48,640
Speaker 3: Elway, who when I was a kid.

882
00:36:48,719 --> 00:36:53,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, right, that's second active quarterbacks behind Matthew Stafford who

883
00:36:53,000 --> 00:36:53,719
Speaker 2: was thirty five.

884
00:36:54,120 --> 00:36:55,719
Speaker 3: I think Pickett was pretty good at in his career too.

885
00:36:55,760 --> 00:36:58,520
Speaker 3: Picking had seven.

886
00:36:58,400 --> 00:36:59,879
Speaker 2: Or eight of those in his two years as a star.

887
00:37:00,640 --> 00:37:03,919
Speaker 2: So you got a quarterback now who's shown he shown

888
00:37:04,000 --> 00:37:04,520
Speaker 2: he can do this.

889
00:37:05,120 --> 00:37:05,839
Speaker 3: He can't have a coach.

890
00:37:05,960 --> 00:37:07,600
Speaker 2: You have the coach and a team that knows how

891
00:37:07,600 --> 00:37:10,600
Speaker 2: to win these kind of games. Is there any reason

892
00:37:10,719 --> 00:37:13,440
Speaker 2: not to expect the Steelers to continue this trend?

893
00:37:13,800 --> 00:37:16,279
Speaker 3: I don't think so. And again, if it was in

894
00:37:16,360 --> 00:37:17,960
Speaker 3: a vacuum, if it was this team X and I

895
00:37:18,040 --> 00:37:19,520
Speaker 3: didn't know them, and I don't never heard of the

896
00:37:19,560 --> 00:37:22,279
Speaker 3: coach Blubb, I'd be like, that's probably not sustainable. History

897
00:37:22,320 --> 00:37:23,239
Speaker 3: shows it's not. But that was.

898
00:37:23,600 --> 00:37:25,960
Speaker 2: So it's the will that was one of the things

899
00:37:26,000 --> 00:37:29,000
Speaker 2: they liked about the Wilson Carroll combination. We always talked

900
00:37:29,040 --> 00:37:32,000
Speaker 2: about it like there there are certain teams that know

901
00:37:32,080 --> 00:37:34,399
Speaker 2: how to win those those kind of close games, that's

902
00:37:34,440 --> 00:37:37,680
Speaker 2: come from behind games, And I think there's an Brady Belichick.

903
00:37:37,719 --> 00:37:40,600
Speaker 2: It was Tomlin and Roethlisberger. It was Wilson in Carroll

904
00:37:41,000 --> 00:37:42,040
Speaker 2: as one score games.

905
00:37:42,120 --> 00:37:44,799
Speaker 3: Yeah, and again I don't think that's an accident at all.

906
00:37:45,560 --> 00:37:47,919
Speaker 3: McCarthy and Rodgers, I think we're No, they weren't. Rodgers

907
00:37:47,960 --> 00:37:49,840
Speaker 3: actually isn't great in that yeah regard. But there's a

908
00:37:49,880 --> 00:37:51,480
Speaker 3: couple of I think the three you mentioned were.

909
00:37:51,560 --> 00:37:54,000
Speaker 4: The best were easily like the every year they were

910
00:37:54,000 --> 00:37:54,960
Speaker 4: at the time that list.

911
00:37:55,080 --> 00:37:58,360
Speaker 3: It's kind of like statisticians will tell you, oh, special

912
00:37:58,440 --> 00:38:01,440
Speaker 3: teams rankings, you know, fluky year to year. Not for

913
00:38:01,480 --> 00:38:05,319
Speaker 3: the Ravens. No, like there's trends here that these teams

914
00:38:05,360 --> 00:38:07,040
Speaker 3: have done long enough. It's not a two get year

915
00:38:07,080 --> 00:38:11,520
Speaker 3: sample size for Tomlin or one score games. And all

916
00:38:11,560 --> 00:38:13,440
Speaker 3: these things are coming on now that I dig into

917
00:38:13,520 --> 00:38:16,000
Speaker 3: and love that are super analytical or will be like, wow,

918
00:38:16,080 --> 00:38:17,719
Speaker 3: they were seven and one. It doesn't matter what team

919
00:38:17,760 --> 00:38:19,520
Speaker 3: you were seven and one and one score games. That's

920
00:38:19,600 --> 00:38:23,520
Speaker 3: probably right, except for these couple. For the couple guys, Yeah,

921
00:38:23,520 --> 00:38:25,200
Speaker 3: they're good at it. They're just good to everything.

922
00:38:25,239 --> 00:38:29,640
Speaker 2: And I think it's interesting now context matters. Belichick gone,

923
00:38:29,840 --> 00:38:30,520
Speaker 2: Carol gone.

924
00:38:30,680 --> 00:38:30,879
Speaker 3: Yeah.

925
00:38:31,560 --> 00:38:34,319
Speaker 2: Is Tomlin the only outlier in that regard now?

926
00:38:34,600 --> 00:38:38,120
Speaker 3: Yeah? And I'm sure Reid is good. Yeah, but he

927
00:38:38,200 --> 00:38:41,200
Speaker 3: also has a little bit of a cheat code there too.

928
00:38:41,360 --> 00:38:44,920
Speaker 3: Not that Ben Wilson and Brady weren't great in their day,

929
00:38:45,600 --> 00:38:48,120
Speaker 3: but end of career Ben wasn't you know, even Wilson

930
00:38:48,160 --> 00:38:51,080
Speaker 3: last year in Seattle wasn't homes you know what I mean?

931
00:38:51,280 --> 00:38:54,680
Speaker 3: And to Brady was good, not or early Brady was good,

932
00:38:54,760 --> 00:38:58,759
Speaker 3: you know. I mean, of course maybe or maybe there's

933
00:38:58,800 --> 00:39:00,480
Speaker 3: one being created. We don't know yet, you know, I'm

934
00:39:00,480 --> 00:39:02,840
Speaker 3: sure there is. Yeah, you know that this is the

935
00:39:04,239 --> 00:39:07,760
Speaker 3: This is a much longer conversation, and maybe we should

936
00:39:07,960 --> 00:39:10,160
Speaker 3: do a whole segment on it this week. But I've

937
00:39:10,200 --> 00:39:12,680
Speaker 3: come to the conclusion with Tomlin because I've done a

938
00:39:12,719 --> 00:39:17,320
Speaker 3: lot of these things and listeners and viewers are so divided.

939
00:39:18,239 --> 00:39:20,600
Speaker 3: I'll never win a playoff game or man, great way

940
00:39:20,640 --> 00:39:22,960
Speaker 3: to rehire them. I think it comes down to this

941
00:39:23,120 --> 00:39:24,840
Speaker 3: with this guy, and I mean, this is the greatest

942
00:39:24,840 --> 00:39:27,560
Speaker 3: compliment is if you give him a top ten quarterback,

943
00:39:27,880 --> 00:39:31,600
Speaker 3: top ten quarterback, he is a super Bowl contender.

944
00:39:31,920 --> 00:39:32,080
Speaker 4: Yeah.

945
00:39:32,160 --> 00:39:33,960
Speaker 3: Might no win it every year, nobody does unless you

946
00:39:34,000 --> 00:39:35,600
Speaker 3: Brady here my homes. You know, he is a super

947
00:39:35,640 --> 00:39:38,759
Speaker 3: Bowl contender with a top ten quarterback. If you give

948
00:39:38,840 --> 00:39:43,839
Speaker 3: him a bottom ten quarterback, he still goes five hundred.

949
00:39:44,760 --> 00:39:46,080
Speaker 2: Right, that's pretty good.

950
00:39:46,400 --> 00:39:50,000
Speaker 3: Right. You got a team this year, might be in

951
00:39:50,000 --> 00:39:51,319
Speaker 3: the middle for the first time in a long time,

952
00:39:51,400 --> 00:39:51,520
Speaker 3: you know.

953
00:39:51,640 --> 00:39:54,120
Speaker 2: And if you if you got that, you know, are

954
00:39:54,160 --> 00:39:55,920
Speaker 2: you a contender to get to the AFC Championship.

955
00:39:55,920 --> 00:39:58,640
Speaker 3: Got an eleven win team, and you know we're most coaches.

956
00:39:58,719 --> 00:40:01,279
Speaker 3: If you're in the middle, you win eight. Right. I

957
00:40:01,360 --> 00:40:02,600
Speaker 3: think there's a lot to be said for that. If

958
00:40:02,600 --> 00:40:05,120
Speaker 3: you give me a great quarterback or well above average,

959
00:40:05,440 --> 00:40:06,279
Speaker 3: I'm gonna be in the hunt.

960
00:40:06,520 --> 00:40:06,719
Speaker 4: Yeah.

961
00:40:06,760 --> 00:40:09,920
Speaker 3: If you give me bottom of the league stuff, I'm

962
00:40:09,920 --> 00:40:10,560
Speaker 3: silly to win more.

963
00:40:10,520 --> 00:40:13,239
Speaker 4: And I lose. Right, I'm still gonna be It's not

964
00:40:13,440 --> 00:40:14,560
Speaker 4: so shabby, you know what I mean.

965
00:40:14,600 --> 00:40:16,080
Speaker 3: And I don't think anybody can deny that.

966
00:40:16,719 --> 00:40:18,800
Speaker 2: No, I think even as detractors would look at that.

967
00:40:18,960 --> 00:40:21,359
Speaker 2: I mean, because you hear, well, it's you know, non

968
00:40:21,440 --> 00:40:24,239
Speaker 2: losing seasons. I don't know if you understand how hard

969
00:40:24,320 --> 00:40:27,640
Speaker 2: that is to do exactly with Duck, with Duck Hodges

970
00:40:27,640 --> 00:40:30,560
Speaker 2: and Mason Rudolph basically both of them making their first

971
00:40:30,640 --> 00:40:31,040
Speaker 2: start that.

972
00:40:31,160 --> 00:40:34,000
Speaker 3: Year in the Yeah, yeah, right, I mean it's not

973
00:40:34,120 --> 00:40:36,239
Speaker 3: like there's a bunch of gimmes, you know, right, if

974
00:40:36,239 --> 00:40:39,160
Speaker 3: you give me bottom ten quarterback play, I'm still to

975
00:40:39,200 --> 00:40:39,440
Speaker 3: win more.

976
00:40:39,520 --> 00:40:41,040
Speaker 2: I'm gonna figure out ways to win.

977
00:40:41,160 --> 00:40:44,360
Speaker 3: Yeah, right, right right. I think that statement to me

978
00:40:44,400 --> 00:40:46,600
Speaker 3: sums that coach up better than any have come up with,

979
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Speaker 3: Like give me a really good one, you give me

980
00:40:48,360 --> 00:40:50,399
Speaker 3: a Pro Bowl guy, we might win at all. Yeah,

981
00:40:50,600 --> 00:40:51,640
Speaker 3: you know, so we'll see.

982
00:40:51,719 --> 00:40:54,960
Speaker 2: And that's I mean, not every team can say that, No.

983
00:40:55,360 --> 00:40:57,359
Speaker 3: I don't think hard than any coaches in history can.

984
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Speaker 4: Say that, Yeah, because they're I mean and Herbert.

985
00:41:00,760 --> 00:41:04,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, perfect example is there would anybody argue talent wise,

986
00:41:04,160 --> 00:41:06,319
Speaker 2: he's not a top ten quarterback of course? No, right, right,

987
00:41:06,520 --> 00:41:07,880
Speaker 2: he's got a losing career record.

988
00:41:08,120 --> 00:41:10,080
Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah. I was thinking more of the coaching angle,

989
00:41:10,160 --> 00:41:12,279
Speaker 3: you know, like I'm sure through.

990
00:41:12,239 --> 00:41:16,200
Speaker 2: This because that's because if you gave tollin that same situation, right,

991
00:41:16,440 --> 00:41:18,440
Speaker 2: justin Herbert's got a winning record for his career right now.

992
00:41:18,600 --> 00:41:24,000
Speaker 3: I mean even like end of career nol Shula, Landry Staubach,

993
00:41:24,080 --> 00:41:29,120
Speaker 3: Bradshaw and Gone, they weren't five hundred, right, I mean

994
00:41:29,160 --> 00:41:30,719
Speaker 3: they were Belichick last year.

995
00:41:30,800 --> 00:41:31,000
Speaker 2: Yeah.

996
00:41:31,040 --> 00:41:32,840
Speaker 3: Yeah. I mean all of a sudden, you're in aduldrums.

997
00:41:32,880 --> 00:41:35,600
Speaker 3: You're not eight and nine even or seven and winning

998
00:41:35,680 --> 00:41:38,960
Speaker 3: five games. You're not You're below well below five hundred.

999
00:41:39,000 --> 00:41:41,239
Speaker 4: Absolutely. Yeah. I don't I don't know that he gets

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00:41:42,840 --> 00:41:43,600
Speaker 4: the credit for that.

1001
00:41:43,840 --> 00:41:46,120
Speaker 2: I think people look at that in negative fashion, and

1002
00:41:46,200 --> 00:41:47,759
Speaker 2: I just don't see it that way, right.

1003
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Speaker 3: I say, give him, I don't even need my homes.

1004
00:41:49,840 --> 00:41:53,480
Speaker 3: Give him Kirk Cousins. I bet he wins ten, yeah,

1005
00:41:53,880 --> 00:41:57,000
Speaker 3: maybe twelve. Yeah, give him Herbert. I bet he wins thirteen.

1006
00:41:57,360 --> 00:41:59,239
Speaker 4: Right, that's pretty good, not six.

1007
00:41:59,400 --> 00:41:59,560
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1008
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Speaker 4: Say so anyways, let's that's gonna do it for the

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Speaker 4: show today.

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Speaker 2: So for my partner Matt Williamson here on a site

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Speaker 2: we have Brian Lamartine, we'd like to thank him as

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Speaker 2: well for keeping us on the air, and we'd like

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Speaker 2: to thank you, I'm Dale Lallie for listening to this

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Speaker 2: edition of the Drive on Steelers Nation Radio.