Speaker 1: First of all, you don't know me.
Speaker 2: We all about that high school drama, Girl drama, girl,
Speaker 2: all about them.
Speaker 3: High school queens. We'll take you for a ride. And
Speaker 3: our comic girl cheered for the right drama Queens of
Speaker 3: girl fashion.
Speaker 1: But your tough girl, you could sit with us.
Speaker 4: Girl drama, Queens drama, Queens Drama, Queens Drama, drahn the
Speaker 4: Queens Drama Queens.
Speaker 1: You guys, we did it. We got through all of
Speaker 1: season four.
Speaker 3: Wow, we got through high school.
Speaker 1: We did guy high schools over I think.
Speaker 5: That was a line you said.
Speaker 6: We did it.
Speaker 3: We made it.
Speaker 1: You guys have the Neil Acles with us this episode.
Speaker 1: She maged. She watched the episode with us, which we
Speaker 1: don't normally do with our guests. Neil, it's nice to
Speaker 1: have you gasp along with us.
Speaker 6: Yes, it took some turns that I didn't remember. Yeah,
Speaker 6: some dark turns.
Speaker 2: It felt so fitting having you back on this last episode.
Speaker 2: It would it wouldn't have been the same without you.
Speaker 2: I'm glad that they brought you back.
Speaker 5: Thank you.
Speaker 3: And it's it's kind of cool that you got to
Speaker 3: join us today because you know, in the episode, Rachel
Speaker 3: pops back up and it's her party and today you
Speaker 3: pop back in and we're just here to listen.
Speaker 6: Yeah, that was good. It was really it was really
Speaker 6: fun some of that stuff. Like I think at one point, Joy,
Speaker 6: you were like, I don't remember doing that.
Speaker 5: Like when I watch it and I don't know.
Speaker 6: This is like a common thing that every that y'all
Speaker 6: found as you're watching this stuff.
Speaker 5: But I'm like, I don't remember doing that. I do
Speaker 5: remember not knowing that dance at all, because.
Speaker 1: Girls dance.
Speaker 6: Yeah, because I come in like halfway and so y'all
Speaker 6: were doing this whole other part that Liz and I
Speaker 6: didn't have to learn.
Speaker 5: So we were just at the practices talking, and.
Speaker 6: So when it came to like when it came to
Speaker 6: the actual day, I was like, oh my god, I
Speaker 6: don't think I know this.
Speaker 5: I remember like have panic attacks about it.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, they were so mad at us for not
Speaker 2: knowing it. But now that I'm watching it back, actually
Speaker 2: I think it's great. I love that we didn't know
Speaker 2: the dance. It would have been really really weird if
Speaker 2: we had all just happened to know this dance, right,
Speaker 2: So it looks more authentic.
Speaker 3: It looks more authentic. But I gotta say guys, we've
Speaker 3: talked so much about how we didn't know it. We
Speaker 3: look pretty good.
Speaker 1: I was.
Speaker 3: I was like, if we were any more synchronized, we'd
Speaker 3: look like a dance troupe and not like a bunch
Speaker 3: of kids.
Speaker 2: Exactly. We looked like a bunch of kids who knew
Speaker 2: a dance.
Speaker 5: No.
Speaker 1: We made a creative decision for this episode, and it
Speaker 1: was to go half ass and have it looked right.
Speaker 2: Guys, it was so half assed that we were. When
Speaker 2: we were filming, we were so to I was so tired.
Speaker 2: We were all like those nights were late and long,
Speaker 2: and so many people to film and so many you know,
Speaker 2: moments to capture. And when we started doing the dance,
Speaker 2: I was like, can you guys see my shoes in
Speaker 2: this shot? Is this a wide shot? And somebody said no,
Speaker 2: So I put my sneakers on in the dance on
Speaker 2: one of the wide shots that I thought was supposed
Speaker 2: to be all on our heads, and apparently it wasn't so.
Speaker 2: As many fans have pointed out the Easter Egg over
Speaker 2: the years, you can go back and forth between my
Speaker 2: heels and my sneakers.
Speaker 1: It's magic that way. It's just magic, you guys. Obviously
Speaker 1: we're talking about season four, episode twenty one, All of
Speaker 1: a sudden, I miss everyone. So this aired June thirteenth,
Speaker 1: two thousand and seven. Who wants to read the synopsis? Danil,
Speaker 1: do you want to do the honors?
Speaker 6: In this season four finale, Dan turns himself in and
Speaker 6: confesses to murdering Keith.
Speaker 5: That was the dark part.
Speaker 6: Haley gives birth to her and Nathan's baby boy, dead
Speaker 6: baby sits so Nathan and Haley can attend an end
Speaker 6: of the year party. Rachel returns to Tree Hill to
Speaker 6: celebrate their last night as seniors with the crew, and
Speaker 6: Lucas wrestles with his post high school options, and Peyton
Speaker 6: and Brooke prepare to spend the summer in Los Angeles together.
Speaker 6: A lot going on, so much wow, talking.
Speaker 1: About our babies being born. And we need to give
Speaker 1: a round of applause to the mothers who were able
Speaker 1: to wear zip and button up pants two weeks after
Speaker 1: giving birth those pants. Let a let.
Speaker 2: Alone dancing, let alone, playing basketball, let alone having sex
Speaker 2: two weeks a baby.
Speaker 5: Yeah, nobody does that.
Speaker 6: And birthing a like six month old baby A clean.
Speaker 3: That baby came out squeaky clean and very fat.
Speaker 2: Very huge.
Speaker 3: That was insane.
Speaker 1: Do you guys think that we contributed to any like
Speaker 1: teenage birth rates? They were just like see Haley did
Speaker 1: go to the party. In real life, it would have
Speaker 1: looked like you would have been covered in blood in
Speaker 1: that labor and delivery room with a baby that big.
Speaker 5: Yes, yes, you'll still be wearing fine.
Speaker 1: What's that underwear that you have to wear for like
Speaker 1: like two months? Depend It's like this mesh they give
Speaker 1: you at the hospital.
Speaker 6: It's amazing. I took some from the hospital because I
Speaker 6: loved it.
Speaker 2: Say I forgot about them.
Speaker 1: I loved it the mesh.
Speaker 2: Yeah, those are good underwear.
Speaker 3: All I can think about because y'all have done this.
Speaker 3: And I have a friend who actually had an eleven
Speaker 3: pound baby and I asked how it went, and she said,
Speaker 3: I have three words for you, third degree episiotomy. And
Speaker 3: I went, no, I'm good, No, absolutely not, I'm fine,
Speaker 3: There's no way no. And I just cannot to your point,
Speaker 3: I can't fathom some of the stuff we do in
Speaker 3: the hospitals on this on these episodes are just insane,
Speaker 3: Like where was our medical supervisor going, guys, you need
Speaker 3: a baby half that small? Somebody give me a jar
Speaker 3: of raspberry jelly, Like, do something that makes this look
Speaker 3: for you.
Speaker 2: But this is the stuff that happens. I'm sure they
Speaker 2: had a baby planned and either the baby showed up
Speaker 2: and it was way bigger than they said it was
Speaker 2: going to be, or the baby they had planned suddenly
Speaker 2: was sick or couldn't come in, or like at the
Speaker 2: last second they were like, sorry, we can't come over,
Speaker 2: and somebody called. They were like, send out an APB.
Speaker 2: Does anyone know anyone who has a baby to come
Speaker 2: over here right now?
Speaker 1: Yeah, take it over again. I loved all the I mean,
Speaker 1: we've made fun of all the jailhouse and hospital theatrics
Speaker 1: on our show, and all the leaps of faith. It's like,
Speaker 1: is the audience gonna buy this? Are they going to
Speaker 1: buy that? Lucas is in that that auditorium in the hospital.
Speaker 1: I've never seen one of those.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, you would.
Speaker 3: Never be allowed. And what's also crazy to me is
Speaker 3: that the opening scene is so beautiful. I love that
Speaker 3: the whole teaser, nobody's talking and it's just the lyrics
Speaker 3: of lightning crashes and all this big stuff is happening,
Speaker 3: and it's elation and it's sadness and it's happy moment
Speaker 3: and it's danger. And then there's that epic shot where
Speaker 3: they're racing the two women down the hall and they
Speaker 3: turn the gurney's and they go into the room. But
Speaker 3: that signifies an emergency, like they are Karen is coding,
Speaker 3: she's being rushed into the r and then you cut
Speaker 3: in the OAR and the doctors are just standing there
Speaker 3: looking at her, going come on, Karen, Well they.
Speaker 1: Did the little the squirt squirt with the shred squirt.
Speaker 3: They're not giving her any meds, they're not operating like
Speaker 3: they're doing nothing. They've rushed her into an operating room
Speaker 3: to stand over her. And I was like, man, how
Speaker 3: did we get away with this stuff?
Speaker 2: And where was Haley? Rushed to?
Speaker 1: Labor and delivery is a totally different waiting yeah, a
Speaker 1: different floor, but let alone, like you're you're in your
Speaker 1: room for.
Speaker 2: A long time. When you're ready to deliver the baby,
Speaker 2: like you've already been in there for like five, seven, seven,
Speaker 2: twelve hours. They don't like take you to another unless
Speaker 2: it's like an emergency, you know.
Speaker 1: No. On her first child, she went from zero to
Speaker 1: ten dilation over the course of forty five minutes, I
Speaker 1: get yeah, gradual.
Speaker 3: And then went to a party in a leather waist boat.
Speaker 2: I saw the baby. Wait in two weeks, I'm.
Speaker 1: Still wearing maternity clothes and my kid is five. I'm
Speaker 1: just like loose. It feels so nice.
Speaker 3: I'm so comfortable.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Well, I loved that opening too, Sophia. I thought that
Speaker 2: was so beautiful. I was felt really nice to have
Speaker 2: an emotional start off to this last episode. That was
Speaker 2: it really took its time, and you know, all joking aside.
Speaker 2: I thought it was really beautifully down and very It
Speaker 2: got my heart. It made my heart happy.
Speaker 3: Yeah. Well, and and them being able to pull off
Speaker 3: that shot choreography like that for our friends at home,
Speaker 3: you knowing doctors pushing the gurney's and you know, cameras
Speaker 3: coming around the corner like that. Stuff is not easy,
Speaker 3: and it's funny to see all of us, you know
Speaker 3: now that we're directing and producing, all go oh, they
Speaker 3: nailed it. Yeah, we had total techno. Yeah, appreciation for
Speaker 3: the crew on that one for sure.
Speaker 1: So Dan turns himself in and.
Speaker 2: Just I wasn't surprised it had been building up.
Speaker 1: It's weird that no one like circles him that no
Speaker 1: one moves. He walks in and it's just this very
Speaker 1: like somber I did it. And the next thing we know,
Speaker 1: he's in a jumpsuit.
Speaker 2: Like he's already been to trial.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it would have been so nice, to your point,
Speaker 3: if creatively we'd had people come around him still with
Speaker 3: no dialogue, you know, the music playing, you know, you
Speaker 3: see people asking what are you talking about? All this stuff.
Speaker 3: Imagine him going to get fingerprinted and to get his
Speaker 3: mug shot taken. Yeah, those would have been nice scenes
Speaker 3: for us to have watched.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I want a dance Scott mug shot. How come
Speaker 1: I'll have one of those me too.
Speaker 3: I want one on a coffee mug.
Speaker 2: I have a Dance Scot coffee mug of his mug shop. No,
Speaker 2: but that would be funny.
Speaker 3: I want that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's what we're into.
Speaker 5: Somebody's doing it right now as we speak.
Speaker 3: Let's make one for Paul for his next birthday.
Speaker 5: You would love that, honestly that.
Speaker 3: I think it'd be sweet.
Speaker 1: The moments with Nathan and lucas they start, they kind
Speaker 1: of bookend the episode because we have this moment between
Speaker 1: the two of them at the beginning where Nathan's going
Speaker 1: into one hospital direction with Haley and Lucas is going
Speaker 1: in the other with his mother, and they check in
Speaker 1: with each other and they hug each other, and that's
Speaker 1: how the episode ends as well. And I like that
Speaker 1: they kept checking in with each other in these moments
Speaker 1: because that's, you know, that's how the show started. And
Speaker 1: I to see that they're in this super healthy place
Speaker 1: in spite of Dan It's great.
Speaker 3: Loved it, Yeah, yeah, And I like where we get
Speaker 3: to in the end when they have that moment talking
Speaker 3: about their futures that starts with Nathan apologizing to Lucas,
Speaker 3: you know, saying I'm sorry, I didn't believe you. I
Speaker 3: loved that the response wasn't it's okay, or I get why,
Speaker 3: or whatever else it could have been. That it was
Speaker 3: I'm sorry, I was right. That was It was the
Speaker 3: perfect way to be clear about how tragic it is
Speaker 3: for the both of them, and I thought it was
Speaker 3: a really smart choice. And I like the way the
Speaker 3: boys played that scene off of each other a lot.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I love seeing the two of them.
Speaker 1: They're both good guys.
Speaker 2: Now.
Speaker 1: I kept thinking one of them was going to turn
Speaker 1: into little down. It didn't happen. They're both sweet boys. Sophia,
Speaker 1: you had a fun episode. You just got to roll
Speaker 1: around with cute little Steven Kite the whole time.
Speaker 3: Cutie COLETTI, you know what's so fun is to watch
Speaker 3: him because and I know we talked about this, is
Speaker 3: it last season when Chase started? I don't even remember.
Speaker 3: It must have been, right, I think it was just
Speaker 3: this season. Was it this season? Okay? Yeah, well whenever
Speaker 3: whenever sweet Chase shows up. You know, Stephen was so nervous.
Speaker 3: He'd not done scripted work. You know, he wanted to
Speaker 3: be an actor. And it's weird to feel this almost
Speaker 3: like maternal sense.
Speaker 1: Of pride that is weird watching just.
Speaker 3: How good and present like like he you know, I
Speaker 3: don't know, he feels like he feels like my little
Speaker 3: baby brother. Like I took him under my wing, you know,
Speaker 3: and showed him around Wilmington and made sure he was okay,
Speaker 3: and he's.
Speaker 1: Like, I don't want to be your brother. I don't
Speaker 1: want to be.
Speaker 3: We all teased him for being such a goober. And
Speaker 3: it's really sweet to see the way that he's so
Speaker 3: comfortable and present. And I like Brooke and Chase. I
Speaker 3: like that he's sweet to her, and he he gives
Speaker 3: her space to be sweet, and there's no expectation and
Speaker 3: there's no salacious energy, and even the way they are
Speaker 3: with each other physically feels tender. And I just really
Speaker 3: enjoyed watching that. I think it's a nice representation for
Speaker 3: high schoo kids for sure.
Speaker 2: Did it feel fast to anybody else? Chase and Brooke?
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, but our show feels fast all the time.
Speaker 6: Yeah.
Speaker 1: No, I think fallen in love super fast is really fun.
Speaker 1: I like, let's be in love. But I love that
Speaker 1: there was zero expectation that she was gonna still be
Speaker 1: his girlfriend when she left, Like yeah, like we're going
Speaker 1: to write each other, we're going to call each other.
Speaker 1: It was like, hey, it's been real thanks for that.
Speaker 7: This is but in a nice way, in a like
Speaker 7: very respectful way, you know, like he did say thank
Speaker 7: you for this amazing night, thank you for the best
Speaker 7: night of.
Speaker 5: My life, but not in that like because that.
Speaker 6: Line could have been delivered in a like pervy, yeah,
Speaker 6: more pervy kind of way. But the way he says
Speaker 6: it is so wonderful. I can't even believe that he
Speaker 6: was like I didn't know.
Speaker 5: He was nervous through any of that.
Speaker 6: Yeah, and like thinking but thinking back, so like now
Speaker 6: everybody does every medium. I mean, actors go on to
Speaker 6: reality shows and vice versa. But then they really did,
Speaker 6: Like then, if you were on a reality show, you
Speaker 6: did not go over to a scripted series without criticism,
Speaker 6: without people going oh you can't do it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, stunt casting, Yeah yeah, yeah.
Speaker 6: I remember when, like Paris Hilton, she did an episode
Speaker 6: of Jensen Show around the same time because everyone was
Speaker 6: bringing in these like and everyone was like, oh, we're
Speaker 6: so mad, and then she did a great job and
Speaker 6: people were not people were surprised. But the thing is
Speaker 6: they're all acting anyway, They're all acting on these scripted series.
Speaker 1: You know, she's been pretend forever.
Speaker 3: Yeah, right, right, Well, I think what's interesting too to
Speaker 3: your point, Danil is now we know that none of
Speaker 3: those quote reality shows were just being filmed. We know
Speaker 3: all the kids were told who to go out with
Speaker 3: and what to say and what Jo'm gonna stir up
Speaker 3: at the party. But back then, nobody I knew that,
Speaker 3: so everyone assumed they didn't know how to do it.
Speaker 3: And I know Steven felt really nervous about that coming
Speaker 3: on our show. I know he was really nervous when
Speaker 3: we when we did the scene in the car on
Speaker 3: this night, and actually, yeah, he was really like flustered
Speaker 3: about it. And it was really really sweet.
Speaker 1: What a nice change of pace to have someone be like,
Speaker 1: I don't want to touch you too much. I'm so sorry, sorry.
Speaker 3: I know, right to go from like a guy biting
Speaker 3: my face in season whatever to see Stephen being like,
Speaker 3: I don't want to be what's okay, I'm not sure
Speaker 3: where to I don't want to look at up, like
Speaker 3: just so scared. And he did something really really funny.
Speaker 3: I don't remember who told him to do it. Maybe
Speaker 3: it was James or maybe it was Antoine to like
Speaker 3: break the ice. When we had to do the scene
Speaker 3: for the first time where you know, I've got to
Speaker 3: pull my top off and be in a bra, Stephen
Speaker 3: like leaned in like he was gonna kiss me and
Speaker 3: then pulled off his sweatshirt and he was in a bra.
Speaker 3: I fell apart.
Speaker 6: I remember seeing that, Yes, I must.
Speaker 3: I honestly thought it made it into the show, but
Speaker 3: then I realized, oh, of course it didn't. I guess
Speaker 3: it's in one of our blooper reels or something.
Speaker 5: Okay, Yeah, I've seen that.
Speaker 3: It was so funny, and I mean we just cackled
Speaker 3: like kids, and then for the rest of the night
Speaker 3: we had a really really sweet time.
Speaker 2: That's a great way to come in on a series
Speaker 2: and just like make everybody feel comfortable and you know,
Speaker 2: jump jump in and be a part of the gang.
Speaker 1: That was great.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 5: I don't know how I could have done that. I
Speaker 5: couldn't hide anything under that Pamela Anderson dress. That was
Speaker 5: pretty much I.
Speaker 3: Would have if there had been some way for you
Speaker 3: to like shimmy out of the latex and ring the
Speaker 3: byork like swan dress.
Speaker 1: You were not set up for success. No set up
Speaker 1: for success. No, But when did you find out you
Speaker 1: were coming back for the finale? Do you remember? Because
Speaker 1: you didn't come with us to Honey Grove.
Speaker 5: No, I think it was maybe like a week or
Speaker 5: so before we shot it.
Speaker 1: Really you can calm.
Speaker 6: Yeah, you should be there. And I was really grateful
Speaker 6: for that because it just it felt I think had
Speaker 6: I not been able to do that, I would have
Speaker 6: I would have been really sad. Yeah, because it you know,
Speaker 6: in a way we were not We were in high
Speaker 6: school together. We did a second high school and I
Speaker 6: would have been sad if I wouldn't have been able
Speaker 6: to say goodbye to that.
Speaker 5: So yeah, it was sweet, it was you know, it
Speaker 5: was good.
Speaker 1: Well, I just remember the night you and Liz spent
Speaker 1: the night at my house. But it might so my
Speaker 1: parents were living with me during the tail end of
Speaker 1: this season, yes, because they moved down to Wilmington, and
Speaker 1: so Liz and Daniel spent the night like normal. But
Speaker 1: then my dad, I guess, heard us really drunk giggling
Speaker 1: in the back room and didn't know what was going
Speaker 1: on and got up in the middle of the night
Speaker 1: and like was horrified that he walked in in his
Speaker 1: boxers and like, it's just all these like girls.
Speaker 6: We aren't we sleeping in that room with all the
Speaker 6: clothes in it, like we're yeah, so things and they
Speaker 6: were dresses hanging all over the walls.
Speaker 1: And yeah, because my boyfriend was in my room and
Speaker 1: my parents were in the middle bedroom, and so you,
Speaker 1: Liz and I slept in the back and it just
Speaker 1: my parents. My dad was so mortified. So there's just
Speaker 1: all these very lovely young ladies in the house and
Speaker 1: told me sorry hilarious.
Speaker 6: Giggling and trying to pretend we were sober going up
Speaker 6: those like one hundred and fifty year old stairs that
Speaker 6: are like this.
Speaker 1: High school. Like, I felt like I was in trouble.
Speaker 5: I can't even fit on the stair well.
Speaker 3: You gotta go sideways.
Speaker 5: Oh.
Speaker 1: I was sneaking around trying to make sure, like didn't
Speaker 1: get caught. My parents can't know that I drink. I'm
Speaker 1: an adult.
Speaker 2: Yeah, speaking of parents. Yeah, I mean it was nice
Speaker 2: to have a little roundabout with deb coming back to
Speaker 2: being responsible and caring and loving and you know, trustworthy
Speaker 2: and funny and funny and so great with little Jamie
Speaker 2: and then Karen. I mean, Moira absolutely wins all the
Speaker 2: gold Stars for this episode. In my opinion, She's incredible.
Speaker 1: It's such a heavy lift.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I felt like I was watching I mean, she's
Speaker 2: one of those actors that actually both of them. The
Speaker 2: scene in the jail with her and Paul, I felt
Speaker 2: like I was watching a real movie. Yeah, not not
Speaker 2: a TV show, like a teen drama TV show. That
Speaker 2: was like right, that was serious. Work was great.
Speaker 3: I had chills the whole time. Yeah, when she was
Speaker 3: speaking to him through that glass, I could like rolling
Speaker 3: chills from my arms to my toes. I just couldn't
Speaker 3: make it stop. It was so visceral, and it's it's
Speaker 3: so amazing when you watch someone perform that way, and
Speaker 3: it's so cool when it's someone who you get to
Speaker 3: see so often and then they do something that you
Speaker 3: just you couldn't be prepared for.
Speaker 2: Yeah, guys, we were so lucky to have them to
Speaker 2: show us. I mean we were just young actors trying
Speaker 2: to figure it out. We didn't have like an acting
Speaker 2: coach or you know, we were just kind of figuring
Speaker 2: it out along the way. And there's a lot of
Speaker 2: times and a lot of directors that would come in
Speaker 2: and it was like, oh, good enough, you know, whatever, whatever.
Speaker 2: But to be able to be surrounded by that kind
Speaker 2: of professional level of acting and storytelling, we're so lucky.
Speaker 1: Well, Joy, you said it like they committed to it
Speaker 1: in a way that anybody else would have been, like
Speaker 1: poking holes in it, like okay, well Karen's going to
Speaker 1: the jail. Who's watching her baby? And how are they
Speaker 1: gonna let her in? You know, like poking all these
Speaker 1: holes in it because that's easy. And they didn't get
Speaker 1: to make script adjustments, so they just took what they
Speaker 1: had to do and Paul committed like Paul Dan Scott
Speaker 1: trying to hang himself and failing again. He's just a
Speaker 1: failure everything he tries to do, even killing himself.
Speaker 2: In the fetal position.
Speaker 5: Oh oh yeah, a fetal position cry.
Speaker 2: That was the best work I think I've seen him
Speaker 2: do in this inn in like a sad emotional state.
Speaker 2: He's done a lot of great work in a lot
Speaker 2: of different emotions, but that was my favorite anyway.
Speaker 5: Yeah, so good. Yeah.
Speaker 6: I kept wondering if do you think that spit that
Speaker 6: Karen does was scripted or was that her?
Speaker 2: I think that was her. I think that was Moira.
Speaker 6: I'm wondering, Like when I saw it, I was like, oh,
Speaker 6: I bet you that was her.
Speaker 5: I bet you she did that.
Speaker 6: That was my first because it was so good and
Speaker 6: it just felt so unexpected. Yeah, and it was like
Speaker 6: a really juicy, like wad of spit.
Speaker 1: Yeah it was.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it wasn't like she'd done it ten times in
Speaker 3: a row.
Speaker 1: I feel bad for her though, because everyone else is
Speaker 1: having the time of their life in this episode and
Speaker 1: she's like trudging through. Karen never gets a break, Like
Speaker 1: it's exhausting. Yeah, her and deb good at this point.
Speaker 2: I feel like they are, aren't they? Oh no? The
Speaker 2: last thing that happened was Deb dropped a gun in
Speaker 2: the cafe that went off. I think that's the last
Speaker 2: interaction they have had, isn't it.
Speaker 1: I can't remember.
Speaker 3: I can't either. I love when they're good, though, so
Speaker 3: I hope I don't remember what happens with them after
Speaker 3: the time jump.
Speaker 1: Oh no, Deb told her in the bathroom. She's like,
Speaker 1: stay away from Dan. He's bad news. Don't do that.
Speaker 1: Karen did it anyway? Oh yeah, I don't know. I
Speaker 1: need that girl gang to get back together.
Speaker 3: Same. I like them together a lot.
Speaker 1: I like that Deb doesn't want to be grandma. Good
Speaker 1: for her.
Speaker 3: Well, it's really interesting, right. There's a lot of these
Speaker 3: moments that we get in the episode where people are
Speaker 3: experiencing enough vulnerability to voice I'm not ready for this
Speaker 3: next part. Deb is like, I don't want you to
Speaker 3: call me a grandma.
Speaker 1: Guys, she's our age and she's playing a grandma.
Speaker 3: No, that's insane. And and you know we're all sitting
Speaker 3: there going, wait, we're not ready. Like I say to Chase,
Speaker 3: I don't want to be gone, And we talk about
Speaker 3: how weird it feels that, you know, these seniors, these
Speaker 3: these juniors now they're going to be seniors, and we're
Speaker 3: just what we're done, We're gone.
Speaker 6: Your whole life as you know, it just changes in yeah,
Speaker 6: an hour.
Speaker 3: And I really like that we got to do that,
Speaker 3: that we all got to express the excitement for what's coming,
Speaker 3: but also wishing we didn't have to go. I mean,
Speaker 3: Peyton does it with Lucas. You know, it's it is
Speaker 3: really wild, even our stuff Danil. When Brooke gets to
Speaker 3: give Rachel her diploma, it's like, we did it.
Speaker 5: Yeah, but what's that mean?
Speaker 3: Like now it's over? Oh no, and it's so it's
Speaker 3: so real and so sweet.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 6: I loved that part because I loved I just loved
Speaker 6: Rachel and Brooke. I love Rachel Brooke ye too, you know,
Speaker 6: because they really loved each other. They just you know,
Speaker 6: it was just there's so much there was so much
Speaker 6: competition and all of that, but at the end of
Speaker 6: the day, they really I think, respected each other.
Speaker 5: And yeah, it was sweet.
Speaker 3: I loved all of that. And and it is interesting
Speaker 3: that I don't know, I I felt a lot of
Speaker 3: that emotion very viscerally. Some of the conversations we were
Speaker 3: all having in those scenes like I feel them in
Speaker 3: my body again. I remember what it felt like to
Speaker 3: be scared of what was coming and to read, you know,
Speaker 3: the lines in Lucas's book about Brook and to realize
Speaker 3: that all these characters our own way. We're afraid of
Speaker 3: what am I going to become? And will I be
Speaker 3: what the people who love me think I'll be? Is
Speaker 3: it all going to be okay? And I don't know.
Speaker 3: It feels really alive still. That's one of those things
Speaker 3: like when we talk about you watch a scene and
Speaker 3: you can like smell the air there. I remember being
Speaker 3: in those rooms at night and it was you know,
Speaker 3: some nights were really cold, and then randomly that last
Speaker 3: night at the river Court was warm and we were
Speaker 3: throwing our jackets off and people were kicking off their shoes,
Speaker 3: and I just remember the way that all of that felt.
Speaker 2: Yes, I remember, was it crispy Chris christy Vespie running
Speaker 2: around with a little buttine curling iron on our hair because.
Speaker 3: It was so humid.
Speaker 2: Yes, it's the humidity that was great. That River Court night.
Speaker 1: The scene where you're like, I'm scared, just like voicing it.
Speaker 1: That was an early Gardens. I remember that night like
Speaker 1: it was yesterday, like you and James coming up to
Speaker 1: Chad and I sitting on the benches. Do you remember that?
Speaker 1: Because we split up, we shot like a week at
Speaker 1: that house, but then we shot a bunch of exteriors
Speaker 1: at Early Gardens because it matched the lake that was
Speaker 1: in that house. And that was that. Yeah, that was
Speaker 1: that night where you and Lucas had your scene. But
Speaker 1: I like that, Haley said, I'm scared. I'm scared because
Speaker 1: this whole time you've been like, yeah, i'll have a baby,
Speaker 1: I'll do that, it'll be fine. I'll graduate toime of
Speaker 1: the class. I'll just do that. It's totally fine. I'll
Speaker 1: get married in high school.
Speaker 2: It's yeah, yeah, no, prop I got this, I got
Speaker 2: this graduation.
Speaker 1: This party. Now I'm freaked out. Now it's real.
Speaker 2: I know she's had to be. I guess it's funny
Speaker 2: because she has older siblings, but for whatever reason, she
Speaker 2: took on the role in her life of like, it's fine,
Speaker 2: don't worry about me, parents take care, probably because she
Speaker 2: had siblings that were a little unruly, so if she
Speaker 2: could be the one that wasn't any drama, it was like, oh, easy,
Speaker 2: easy role to step into. But yeah, it's nice to
Speaker 2: see for her. After all this time, I've just been like,
Speaker 2: I got this, I can do it. I can do it.
Speaker 2: To finally have a moment of actually have no idea
Speaker 2: what I'm doing. And it's terrifying having a baby. The
Speaker 2: first time you have a baby. It's so scary.
Speaker 6: Every day is scary every moment.
Speaker 2: Yes, every day I've been.
Speaker 5: A joy and stuff like that.
Speaker 2: But of course, well that's what makes it worthwhile. I mean,
Speaker 2: that's what keeps you going. But the terror of like
Speaker 2: am I doing this right? And I'm every possible thing
Speaker 2: that you do, you're afraid could actually kill this human
Speaker 2: being that is yours, And it's it's absolutely absolutely terrifying.
Speaker 1: Well, and we haven't really seen Haley do anything to
Speaker 1: prep Like you didn't take the MOS classes, I didn't
Speaker 1: write no books, no books.
Speaker 6: There was no baby proofing of the house.
Speaker 1: No, no, no, not at all.
Speaker 2: All the drawers and in clothes, it's no problem.
Speaker 1: And like, also, are you breastfeeding? Like what's going on?
Speaker 1: Like a man? A man told this story?
Speaker 5: Right?
Speaker 1: Yes, I just remember like two weeks after my baby
Speaker 1: being born, my boobs leaking everywhere. Just be like, what
Speaker 1: do I do?
Speaker 2: I was like in a wheelchair on set.
Speaker 6: Are like wearing cabbage?
Speaker 8: Oh cabbage, yes, remember the cabbage, So like, yeah, cabbage
Speaker 8: for those of you who don't know, will kind of
Speaker 8: stop your breasts from leaking.
Speaker 5: Yeah, and it can actually if you leave it on
Speaker 5: for multiple.
Speaker 6: Days, like I tried you breastfeeding. I left it on
Speaker 6: for three or four days, and it drives you right up.
Speaker 5: The oddest thing. I don't know the science behind it.
Speaker 6: Someone go google it, but wild and I always smelled
Speaker 6: like old wet cabbage.
Speaker 2: Mommy.
Speaker 3: But we were out there dancing to the Spice Girls,
Speaker 3: and Haley was probably in the front.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, I do like the convenient bun that
Speaker 1: Haley threw in, because after like two days of being
Speaker 1: into that house, it was like, I gotta get my
Speaker 1: hair up.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, that's funny. That's probably exactly what happened. I
Speaker 2: was like, guys, it's too hot. I can't. I got
Speaker 2: this cardigan on. I'm in jeans. Can't handle it anymore,
Speaker 2: long sleeves and jeans. Oh the things we did to
Speaker 2: make it work. I didn't. I had no idea, and
Speaker 2: I was I had a baby like four three or
Speaker 2: four years later and it's so funny, so funny watching
Speaker 2: it back now, just it's weird to pretend to be
Speaker 2: pregnant and have a baby when you've never had that experienced.
Speaker 5: You did a great job. I bought it.
Speaker 2: It was a slow motion, that's als and Neil, it's
Speaker 2: just a slow mode.
Speaker 6: I thought it looked pretty real, you know. But I
Speaker 6: didn't do a natural labor, so I have no idea.
Speaker 6: My eye idea of like natural labor is the movies.
Speaker 6: And Hillary, who I feel like, was like, yeah, I'm
Speaker 6: in labor right now. You were telling me like, yeah,
Speaker 6: I'm just standing in the shower. It's fine, I'm.
Speaker 1: Good, just texting, It's fine, It's okay.
Speaker 5: I guess he how.
Speaker 1: That bad Danielle gave me that book What to Expect
Speaker 1: when You're expecting, because I wouldn't. I mean, I had
Speaker 1: a baby. I was twenty six when I got pregnant.
Speaker 5: With I don't know why I gave you that.
Speaker 6: I mean I probably just looked up, like what do
Speaker 6: you give someone that's pregnant.
Speaker 5: That's got to be it.
Speaker 1: I would have never even known to go get a book,
Speaker 1: but didn't give it to me. And it's like it's
Speaker 1: slightly horrifying because it takes you through month by month
Speaker 1: and there's so much to do. It's just list this list, list, list, no, listen.
Speaker 1: I learned a lot. Gus is still alive, so it worked.
Speaker 2: That's the thing, Like, it's really hard to screw it up.
Speaker 2: The truth is like almost nothing that you're gonna do
Speaker 2: is gonna kill your baby. You're fine.
Speaker 1: Oh and I love the dead turn the phone off.
Speaker 1: It's just like yes. She's like, guys, that was it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, that was a very sweet scene. And you
Speaker 3: said it earlier, JOI. It's nice to see deb in
Speaker 3: a parental role, and I like that she gets to
Speaker 3: be the one who reveals the joke that you're both
Speaker 3: sneaking away the callow. You know, it's a very a
Speaker 3: very cute it's the very cute reveal. It's a great
Speaker 3: way to do a little bit of exposition.
Speaker 6: And she's very self deprecating. She's like, yes, I'm not
Speaker 6: on drugs, but bring me.
Speaker 5: Some, like.
Speaker 1: Speaking of drugs. Deal. I don't know if you remember this.
Speaker 1: I don't know if you guys all remember this, but
Speaker 1: we were filming all night. So this house that we
Speaker 1: were filming at was due to be destroyed the children
Speaker 1: of this estate. Their parents no longer lived in this home.
Speaker 1: They had sold it to a developer. This house was
Speaker 1: going to get torn down. So they were like, yeah,
Speaker 1: you guys can do whatever you want to it. So,
Speaker 1: of course our productions like, We're going to go balls
Speaker 1: out all night long for a whole week, graffiti the wall. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's gonna be nuts. But what that meant was, it's
Speaker 1: the very last episode of the season. We are all
Speaker 1: already so exhausted, yea. The previous episode had been all daytime,
Speaker 1: and so our body clocks were scheduled for all daytime.
Speaker 1: This episode was all night time, right, Yeah, And so
Speaker 1: all the boys were loading up on like Red Bulls
Speaker 1: and Monster Energy drinks and five Hour Energy and like
Speaker 1: all that kind of stuff, and that shit makes my
Speaker 1: heart hurt. I can't drink it. It makes a heart hurt.
Speaker 2: Ye So I go.
Speaker 1: To the freaking like Harris Teeter, right, and I pick
Speaker 1: up caffeine pills and coming to the hair and makeup
Speaker 1: trailer and make the Jesse Spano from Save by the
Speaker 1: Bell joke. I'm like, you, guys, I'm so excited, and
Speaker 1: we're like, you know, I want to say like each
Speaker 1: one of them was the equivalent of like three cups
Speaker 1: of coffee, and so were we all were taking them
Speaker 1: and like joking about it, and like, you know, Liz
Speaker 1: is there. Everyone is just kind of in like a
Speaker 1: slap happy mood because we have to go into work
Speaker 1: at like three and then stay up till seven o'clock in.
Speaker 3: The morning next day. Yeah, it's insane.
Speaker 1: So we're taking these pills and you know, you guys know,
Speaker 1: this was not a good episode for me with our boss.
Speaker 1: It was like the worst. And we shot most of
Speaker 1: our episode during the week and then we had our
Speaker 1: weekend where a rap party was going to be and
Speaker 1: they had to pick up a couple more days after
Speaker 1: the weekend. So we're at the rap party and we're
Speaker 1: all like, you know, singing karaoke and just having a
Speaker 1: good time. And I find out our boss had spread
Speaker 1: the rumor that we were all that I was the
Speaker 1: ring leader and we were all doing cocaine to stay
Speaker 1: up while we were filming. Yes, I recall that he
Speaker 1: was telling everyone I was doing cocaine because we'd had
Speaker 1: an altercation with one another and he wanted to discredit me.
Speaker 1: So we tells everyone that we're doing coke, and so
Speaker 1: we Danille and I maybe Elizabeth too. I don't know
Speaker 1: who else was in on this, maybe lasted ter. We
Speaker 1: went to Edge of Urge, which is a shop that
Speaker 1: we've told you guys about a lot on the show,
Speaker 1: and she just so happened to have these T shirts
Speaker 1: in that had a picture of this dude from like
Speaker 1: the eighties on it with blood coming out of his
Speaker 1: nose and the shirt said coke blows. So we hear
Speaker 1: this rumor at the rap party and we're like, that
Speaker 1: guy tell lies about us. You guys, I didn't even
Speaker 1: smoke weed until just this past year.
Speaker 6: You were the actual clean teen.
Speaker 5: You were the actual clean teen.
Speaker 1: I hate drugs, hate them, just not for me. So
Speaker 1: we all show up at work on Monday wearing these
Speaker 1: Coke Blows T shirts.
Speaker 5: I wonder where mine is.
Speaker 1: I still have mine. It's in an attam.
Speaker 5: I probably do. I probably have it in a box.
Speaker 1: It was. It was the most perfect piece of merchandise
Speaker 1: for the moment, because you let him know, like, we're
Speaker 1: on to you, you mother, spreading rumors about us they're
Speaker 1: not true. Instead of being but hurt, we're gonna make
Speaker 1: fun of you. And wear these shirts all day of work.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so good.
Speaker 3: But by the way, just so you know, after you left,
Speaker 3: he did a whole nother round of that, either like
Speaker 3: season seven or season eight. Fantastic because how inappropriate he
Speaker 3: was being with the next batch of girls he brought
Speaker 3: into the show was coming to light. So he started
Speaker 3: another whole thing that all the girls were doing coke
Speaker 3: and all that, and it was like, what is wrong
Speaker 3: with you? Also, do you have one story a decade? Yeah,
Speaker 3: it's just so embarrassing.
Speaker 1: And no one was doing coke then? No, what nineties thing?
Speaker 6: Right? I was like, oh, what maybe if he would
Speaker 6: have said like not maybe, but not even I mean
Speaker 6: it was like that was not the thing.
Speaker 5: I mean.
Speaker 6: Drinking, Yeah, maybe I might have been like guilty of
Speaker 6: that once or twice.
Speaker 1: Drinking, Yeah, we drink all the time.
Speaker 3: Well there was nothing else to do there.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's not illegal. But it makes me wonder how
Speaker 1: many like casting directors and producers and executives back in
Speaker 1: Los Angeles heard the rumor that Hillary Burton's doing cocaine,
Speaker 1: which well I still never teached.
Speaker 6: I can tell you one or two did, because on
Speaker 6: my next job after that, I was asked like, what, so,
Speaker 6: how much of a problem, Like are you how much
Speaker 6: of it?
Speaker 5: And I'm like I'm kind of no problems. Yeah I don't.
Speaker 1: We're good.
Speaker 5: But yeah that was death.
Speaker 6: He's like, okay, because I spoke to like one of
Speaker 6: your previous employers.
Speaker 5: I was like, nay, I think I know who it is.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah. He loved being in that seat, just getting
Speaker 2: those phone calls because he was super happy to just
Speaker 2: say anything that he could to keep people from hiring
Speaker 2: us at any moment.
Speaker 1: He called my bosses on white collar when I got
Speaker 1: my job in white collar. They're like, we got a
Speaker 1: weird phone call.
Speaker 6: I'm like, of course, that's exactly how it starts. Interesting
Speaker 6: phone call from your previous employer.
Speaker 5: I'm like, Warner Brothers, what who? Yeah, They're like, well, no,
Speaker 5: it was an individual. I'm like, okay, I know You're like, oh.
Speaker 3: I know who it is. It's also just such an
Speaker 3: odd thing when you really think about it, for someone
Speaker 3: old enough to be our father to be mad that
Speaker 3: girls young enough to be his daughter didn't want to
Speaker 3: have sex with their married married yeah married for as
Speaker 3: long as we've been alive, essentially married. That he would
Speaker 3: then try to ruin people's careers. It's so shocking and
Speaker 3: it's so petty, and you know, I don't know if
Speaker 3: you remember it. Hill, I'm gonna I'm going to lightly
Speaker 3: refer to something that if you want to talk about,
Speaker 3: because it's it's your story. But you know, we have
Speaker 3: that lovely moment Brooke and Peyton have that scene and
Speaker 3: I'm emotional with you and you're really emotional with me,
Speaker 3: and it's such a Oh. It's a moment that I
Speaker 3: really love to watch because it's beautiful and it makes
Speaker 3: me really sad because we were alone in that scene.
Speaker 3: You know, there's a wide cut where there's a bunch
Speaker 3: of people behind us. But what you do with all
Speaker 3: the extras when you know there's people behind them, but
Speaker 3: then the actors face each other in a different direction,
Speaker 3: is the extras go away so that things are quiet
Speaker 3: and it's easy to mix. And we hadn't been alone
Speaker 3: in a while. I don't think you and I in
Speaker 3: a scene like that, if I'm remembering.
Speaker 1: Correctly, not since we were brutally attacked at the prom,
Speaker 1: that's right, And.
Speaker 3: You know, things were really getting as intense as they've
Speaker 3: been that people know about. They were getting worse by
Speaker 3: the end of this season, and there was a moment where,
Speaker 3: in you know, rehearsal, our boss walked up and started
Speaker 3: grabbed us both by the shoulders and started like very
Speaker 3: aggressively rubbing our backs. And I remember freezing up and
Speaker 3: looking at you, and you looked at me, and you
Speaker 3: like you really let him have it. And it was
Speaker 3: a moment where like I saw the shock on his
Speaker 3: face that you snapped at him, and I remember finally
Speaker 3: feeling like I could take a deep breath because like
Speaker 3: somebody else had seen it and it was happening to somebody,
Speaker 3: Like it wasn't an isolated incident, And it was a
Speaker 3: moment where when you think about all the stories he
Speaker 3: liked to tell about all the girls where being in
Speaker 3: the room and seeing your reaction, I went, oh, a
Speaker 3: bunch of the shit that we're all being told about
Speaker 3: each other just isn't true. Yeah, got it, got it,
Speaker 3: And it was. It was. It was a big, big moment,
Speaker 3: and I've never forgotten it.
Speaker 1: Well it He had crafted this episode as his fantasy,
Speaker 1: which is why Elizabeth is in a little leather skirt,
Speaker 1: and it's why Rachel's back, and it's why we're all
Speaker 1: doing a dance routine. And it's why Peyton is saying, oh,
Speaker 1: I just love sex so much, you know. It's why
Speaker 1: I had to make that line sound really stupid and goofy,
Speaker 1: because it wasn't scripted to be stupid and goofy. What
Speaker 1: was the line? Peyton, you know, is talking to clean
Speaker 1: teen Shelley and she's like, oh, no, I think it's cool.
Speaker 1: I would have joined your group except I love sex
Speaker 1: so much, you know, And it wasn't scripted to be
Speaker 1: like goofy, and I was directed to do it, not goofy,
Speaker 1: And I was like, no, no, I mean, you can
Speaker 1: tell the episode is a fantasy. And he made us
Speaker 1: all take group photos with him in that house. He
Speaker 1: came up to our dance rehearsals. We were doing dance
Speaker 1: rehearsals in the second story of the house while they
Speaker 1: would set up cameras and stuff. Yeah, and he would
Speaker 1: not stop touching people, and it was relentless. I knew
Speaker 1: it was happening to me. I'm watching it happen to
Speaker 1: Danil and Elizabeth. You.
Speaker 2: Yeah, like he's.
Speaker 1: Touching everybody, touching Lassetter, touching everybody, and so so you know,
Speaker 1: to your point, he came up and was like rubbing
Speaker 1: our shoulders and I said, stop touching the girls, dude, stop,
Speaker 1: I'm telling you, as your friend, stop touching the girls.
Speaker 1: And like I looked at you and it felt like
Speaker 1: it felt like telling the truth for the first time.
Speaker 1: You know. It's like when you speak back to your
Speaker 1: father figure or your boyfriend for the first time in
Speaker 1: front of people. You know, it's like, how dare you
Speaker 1: air our dirty laundry?
Speaker 5: You know?
Speaker 1: And so that was the Friday night of that week
Speaker 1: that we shot at the house. It was the last
Speaker 1: day we were there, and so I went to the
Speaker 1: production office at dawn the same way I always did
Speaker 1: because my boyfriend was an assistant director, and you know,
Speaker 1: our secutive producers are all there, Greg Prange, David Hartley,
Speaker 1: the entire AD staff, My brother's there. Like everyone is
Speaker 1: in the production office drinking PBRs and it's like awesome,
Speaker 1: all right, rap party is you know in twelve hours whatever?
Speaker 1: And I get you know, somebody came to the AD's
Speaker 1: door and said, our boss want to it in his
Speaker 1: office right now, and this is why he spread the
Speaker 1: Koch roomer. I had to go in there, and he
Speaker 1: just launched into me. How dare you. Don't you ever
Speaker 1: speak to me that way in front of people? What
Speaker 1: the hell are you talking about? I don't touch anybody.
Speaker 1: I don't touch anybody here. You're spreading rumors about me
Speaker 1: and just completely like was gaslighting me. I'm like, I'm like, dude,
Speaker 1: I'm friends with your wife. Like I'm telling you you
Speaker 1: have to stop. And he said, I'll never forget it.
Speaker 1: He said, you think we're friends your friend, I'm your
Speaker 1: boss and don't you ever speak to me that way again.
Speaker 1: And he's screaming at me. And those walls in the
Speaker 1: production office are paper wow. Yeah yeah, And I remember like,
Speaker 1: my brother, my boyfriend, my boyfriend's dad are all on
Speaker 1: the other side of these paper thin walls. And no
Speaker 1: one came, yeah, like, no one came. And so finally,
Speaker 1: finally Greg Prange came in and was like, here's everything
Speaker 1: okay in here, And so you know, cut to years later,
Speaker 1: the night that Daniel introduces me to my now husband.
Speaker 1: We're in Timmy Nolan's Irish Bob and I didn't know
Speaker 1: Jeff from Adam, like I never met this person, and
Speaker 1: Jeff he leans over at one point he's like, hey,
Speaker 1: are you getting screwed with with your boss, you know,
Speaker 1: the same way Daniel is. And I was like, yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm not going back, I'm done, and he was like,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna kick that guy's ass. And it was the
Speaker 1: first person in my whole life who had ever said it,
Speaker 1: and I believed it, and I still believe it, I know, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: it was just for so many years, when you're the
Speaker 1: loud girl, you're just kind of expected to fend for yourself,
Speaker 1: and that was the first person that was ever like,
Speaker 1: oh no, I'll destroy that guy. Hold on, let me
Speaker 1: go to it right now. But that moment of clarity
Speaker 1: with you that night. I cried when we watched it
Speaker 1: because I felt like it was the first time you
Speaker 1: really knew who I was. You knew that I wasn't
Speaker 1: his girl.
Speaker 3: Yeah, well, you know what was really interesting. And I
Speaker 3: have chills listening to you talk about what he said
Speaker 3: to you that night because and we talked about this
Speaker 3: in the beginning of the show, but early on Red
Speaker 3: Dress episode for me, when groped me on set and
Speaker 3: I hit him just like reflexively, like it was a
Speaker 3: reflex I got groped by a man and I hit him.
Speaker 3: That's when I got it, but what scared him because
Speaker 3: it was so early that he wasn't like in his
Speaker 3: power as a successful TV creator. Yet he went back
Speaker 3: to the production office and he was screaming at Mike
Speaker 3: and a bunch of the writers, telling them what a
Speaker 3: bitch I was. And I will never forget it. Took
Speaker 3: till the end of season eight for our sweet writer
Speaker 3: Mike Caro to tell me what had said to him,
Speaker 3: because he had been so scared getting screamed at in
Speaker 3: the production office in LA and because he was an
Speaker 3: intern or like a writer's assistant back then, and we
Speaker 3: got home, he was yelling about what an entitled little
Speaker 3: bitch I was, and all the writers were pretty freaked out,
Speaker 3: and Mike Caro said, I tried to crack a joke,
Speaker 3: and I said, well, maybe she's just a twenty one
Speaker 3: year old girl who thinks she's entitled not to get
Speaker 3: her ass grabbed by her boss. And he screamed at
Speaker 3: Harrow and said, who the fuck do you think you
Speaker 3: are You're going to say that I did that. I
Speaker 3: didn't do anything, and yelled at him and threatened his
Speaker 3: job and told him if he liked working there, he
Speaker 3: better never talked to him that way again. So it's
Speaker 3: all the same. It's the same mo.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 1: I mean, what's the clinical diagnosis of that when you
Speaker 1: clearly see someone do something and then they're like, never happened. Yeah.
Speaker 3: But the thing is, our boss knew he fed up
Speaker 3: with me, and so he did a lot of work
Speaker 3: with you guys to make me the bad guy.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: And he punished me on camera with things I had
Speaker 3: to do with story arcs that he gave to me.
Speaker 3: He punished me in the public, like he put me
Speaker 3: through the wringer with the press, and he punished you
Speaker 3: on our set. He spread rumors about you. He wanted
Speaker 3: all of us to think, oh, she's a problem, Oh
Speaker 3: she's got a weird relationship with fill in the blank.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: And the thing that happened that night, like I literally
Speaker 3: it feels like it again, Like it was like a jolt,
Speaker 3: Like I felt like I got struck by lightning because
Speaker 3: I watched him say something to you and do something
Speaker 3: to you, and it was exactly something he'd done to me.
Speaker 3: And I saw the look on his face and how
Speaker 3: mad he was, and I'd seen that look before, and
Speaker 3: I just went, oh, oh, he does this with all
Speaker 3: of us, Oh wow, and it did. It really changed.
Speaker 3: It changed everything and the ways that we had been
Speaker 3: manipulated and the ways we had been separated, like it
Speaker 3: all started to change after that night.
Speaker 1: It was never good again for me. Like I have
Speaker 1: struggled in this week leading up to this recording because
Speaker 1: I'm like, do I is this healthy for me to
Speaker 1: like keep digging into this stuff. And what I struggled
Speaker 1: with was there's an actress who was on our show
Speaker 1: who I recently touched base with, and she was quieter
Speaker 1: during all the me too stuff, and she said, I'm
Speaker 1: always scared that he's ghostwriting. I'm scared because he was
Speaker 1: never held accountable because the executive producers of our show
Speaker 1: never like publicly said we won't do business with him anymore.
Speaker 1: We're so sorry to you girls, like, because there was
Speaker 1: never any kind of closure. Someone is giving him ghostwriting
Speaker 1: work somewhere, and there's this fear that we're going to
Speaker 1: walk onto a set one day and be confronted with that,
Speaker 1: and it's you know, it's the boogeyman in the closet,
Speaker 1: and so you know, to talk about it over and
Speaker 1: over again. It's just like I am making the commitment
Speaker 1: to continue talking about it so that other showrunners don't
Speaker 1: operate that way, and so that he's got no he's
Speaker 1: got no safe passage. Yeah, you know.
Speaker 3: I also think, look, I get the mission of it,
Speaker 3: and I think that's really important for all of us.
Speaker 3: I know that the things we've gone through on sets
Speaker 3: have activated us all and made us the advocates we
Speaker 3: are in a lot of ways. And I think it's
Speaker 3: also really important. Like I've been talking about this with
Speaker 3: my therapist a lot, because these last few weeks brought
Speaker 3: up a lot of I know, for us as a group.
Speaker 3: And he just keeps saying to me, this is your story.
Speaker 3: You get to talk about your story. You get to
Speaker 3: tell your story, you get to process your story, you
Speaker 3: get to need help with your story for as long
Speaker 3: as you need it. And if other people didn't want
Speaker 3: you to tell your story, maybe they shouldn't have forced
Speaker 3: it to be written this way. And you know, it's
Speaker 3: hard to look at it because you know what you
Speaker 3: experienced that night, the way you got yelled at. It's
Speaker 3: exactly this I was dealing with in Chicago and also
Speaker 3: had a group of men who were like, I love
Speaker 3: you so much, You're our best friend.
Speaker 1: You're on your own kid, never got.
Speaker 3: Involved and never stood up. And and I know some
Speaker 3: of them are mad that I acknowledge that when we
Speaker 3: talk about this show as well, And you know what,
Speaker 3: I don't care because that fear that I'm going to
Speaker 3: keep talking about it better be what makes you behave
Speaker 3: better on every set you're on, like from the time
Speaker 3: that you left North Carolina, and from the time that
Speaker 3: I left Illinois, like, they better behave better. They better
Speaker 3: be a little afraid, be a little I do be
Speaker 3: a little afraid.
Speaker 1: The piece of poetic justice here is that he crafted
Speaker 1: his ultimate fantasy. He's like, I'm gonna have all the
Speaker 1: girls all at the same time, and they're all going
Speaker 1: to be slightly slutty and dance for me. And it
Speaker 1: imploded so spectacularly. You put all of us in the
Speaker 1: same room to compare notes.
Speaker 2: Man, I went through a lot of man version of
Speaker 2: that in the you know, the group that I was
Speaker 2: in while we were on the show, and a lot
Speaker 2: of this, you know, the same sort of patriarchal sociopathy,
Speaker 2: I guess. And as I'm listening to you guys talk
Speaker 2: and I'm thinking about my own journey, you know, one
Speaker 2: of the things that makes that kind of abuse so
Speaker 2: hard to heal from is that it and for me,
Speaker 2: I mean I can only speak for myself. It has
Speaker 2: made it so hard for me to grow, because growth
Speaker 2: requires trusting in the people around you. Like if I'm
Speaker 2: constantly being told I'm a problem, I'm the problem, I'm
Speaker 2: the problem. And I was being told that on the set,
Speaker 2: I was being told that, in the group that I
Speaker 2: was in, I was being told that in my marriage.
Speaker 2: It was like everywhere, I'm the problem, I'm the problem.
Speaker 2: Then I get out and it's I'm in therapy and
Speaker 2: I've got good friends, and suddenly, like my life starts
Speaker 2: turning around and I'm going and everybody's telling me, you
Speaker 2: do it. You're not the problem. I mean, you're not perfect,
Speaker 2: but like, you're not this is fake. This was all
Speaker 2: like an attempt to control you. And so then I
Speaker 2: start going, oh, okay, I'm not the problem, I'm not
Speaker 2: the problem. But then that becomes my narrative, so that
Speaker 2: whenever there is a moment in life when I actually
Speaker 2: do need to grow, it's really hard to recognize it
Speaker 2: and not go back into the default of like, no, no,
Speaker 2: I'm not the problem. You weren't there. The proof is here,
Speaker 2: I'm not it's not me. It's not me, Like that's
Speaker 2: my knee jerk reaction. And it's just it's like painstakingly
Speaker 2: slow now with growth because it's so hard to trust,
Speaker 2: to know who you can trust when they're when someone
Speaker 2: does lovingly tell you, hey, you know this is the best.
Speaker 3: It's part of the journey of healing too, to recognize
Speaker 3: what your triggers are. Like I've had to learn where
Speaker 3: I throw my fists up, I'm ready for a fucking fight,
Speaker 3: like I'm ready all the time, and I've had to
Speaker 3: learn how to deal with that trauma and go, okay,
Speaker 3: if we're dealing with this sort of complex after effect,
Speaker 3: and my knee jerk reaction when I feel poked is
Speaker 3: to get ready to throw a punch, how do I
Speaker 3: take a deep breath and give myself a second? Yeah,
Speaker 3: And it really struck me, Like, you know, we're all
Speaker 3: able to talk about this as adult, but one of
Speaker 3: the things that struck me watching the episode, and that
Speaker 3: that strikes me even now is like you had been
Speaker 3: through such shit with him, Danil, and you got asked
Speaker 3: back and I'm only really realizing now, Like God, you
Speaker 3: like you came back and we got to have that moment,
Speaker 3: all of us girls have that closure together, and you
Speaker 3: came right back into an environment where you had been
Speaker 3: just like Joy's talking about it's you, it's you, it's you,
Speaker 3: it's you. You'd gotten so on on our set, and
Speaker 3: like it just makes me cry, and I'm like, you
Speaker 3: came back froms like.
Speaker 6: I came back to see you guys. And I think
Speaker 6: the irony of all of that was when I got there,
Speaker 6: and I've been thinking about, like do I bring this up?
Speaker 5: How do I bring it up?
Speaker 6: Because it's it's it's a delicate situation. And I think
Speaker 6: the gist of what happened on that episode to me
Speaker 6: was the night we did the dance, Bevin came to
Speaker 6: my trailer and she was furious with me, furious with
Speaker 6: me and would not speak to me and was just like,
Speaker 6: I know what you did, and you're it's so fun
Speaker 6: and Bevin if you and she like she's my sister,
Speaker 6: Bevin does not get mad.
Speaker 1: Noah, Bevin will condone anything anything.
Speaker 6: She is like not judge, she never gets and so
Speaker 6: I was just like and I literally had no idea
Speaker 6: what I did. So I was like in the middle
Speaker 6: of like seeing all my friends and being back in
Speaker 6: this mPire and so happy, and and then she comes
Speaker 6: in and I was like, is this like a joke.
Speaker 6: This is a joke. This is like some sort of
Speaker 6: like practical joke here.
Speaker 5: And she was like, no, Danielle, like it's really fucked up.
Speaker 5: And she walked out, whoa.
Speaker 6: And it was something and with what it was is
Speaker 6: not important, but it was something he told her I
Speaker 6: did that I didn't do. He brought me back there
Speaker 6: to alienate me from Bevin, who I was very close
Speaker 6: to and.
Speaker 1: You know she was.
Speaker 6: And we came to find out, of course, as we
Speaker 6: all did, you know months later, like once we're back home,
Speaker 6: Oh you didn't do that, because he had such an
Speaker 6: excellent way of pitting us all against each other, and
Speaker 6: at that particular point she was close to him.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, she cycled in and we cycled out.
Speaker 5: Yes, we had all had it.
Speaker 6: I mean, I was like, I'll come and play, but
Speaker 6: it's to see my friends.
Speaker 1: Well, and we did huddle up like we like. It
Speaker 1: was the don't go to the bathroom by yourself kind
Speaker 1: of situation.
Speaker 6: And I was And so when that happened, that was
Speaker 6: the night of the dance, and I just like, I'll
Speaker 6: never forget it, because like there was nothing I could
Speaker 6: do to convince.
Speaker 5: Her that day.
Speaker 6: And eventually I did because we got together and figured out.
Speaker 5: Where it came from.
Speaker 6: And then we both got really mad at the right
Speaker 6: place and pointed our anger at the right place.
Speaker 5: But that's just another example of like what happens.
Speaker 6: And so when I watched the whole episode for me
Speaker 6: is that because it was just like, oh my gosh,
Speaker 6: are you kidding me?
Speaker 5: You brought me back to do this to me?
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, no, I'm gonna humiliate you. Yeah, you thought
Speaker 1: you could get away.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's a methodology of control. It's exactly what you
Speaker 3: were just saying, joy about your other experience. It's let
Speaker 3: me figure out a way to isolate you as much
Speaker 3: as possible. And if that's your safe person, I'm going
Speaker 3: to ruin it.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Right, So you have to come to me, so you
Speaker 3: have to keep coming back to me so I can
Speaker 3: keep telling you who you are and who you aren't.
Speaker 3: And it is.
Speaker 6: Dark before we figured out that's where it came from.
Speaker 6: That was he was the first person that came to
Speaker 6: be like, is everything Okay, I'm like, did.
Speaker 1: You rub your shoulders?
Speaker 5: I don't.
Speaker 6: I don't know, but I do remember, and I was like, no,
Speaker 6: it's not okay, and like I can't believe this is
Speaker 6: happening to me, you know, Like it's just that that
Speaker 6: episode was aside from all the wonderful things, it was
Speaker 6: dark because of that, you know, it was like there
Speaker 6: was an elephant in the room for me.
Speaker 1: Yeah, guys, when I tell you, I haven't slept the
Speaker 1: two days leading up to doing this episode because it
Speaker 1: was like it was so shy, and I'm like, I
Speaker 1: can't keep telling the story. I can't keep reading the
Speaker 1: fucking clickbait, you know, like because it starts off as
Speaker 1: one article that's actually like really nice and fair, and
Speaker 1: then it gets boiled down to just gross headlines that
Speaker 1: live forever on the internet. And I am like, I
Speaker 1: can't keep talking about this stuff. But until there's some
Speaker 1: kind of change in our industry, I don't know how
Speaker 1: we stop. The only reason that we made it out
Speaker 1: is because we had each other, you know, and we
Speaker 1: made we had good families, and we made the choices,
Speaker 1: you know.
Speaker 2: But we still made it out with scars all over
Speaker 2: our careers too.
Speaker 5: Oh my god, yep.
Speaker 3: Yeah. Well, I mean it's also really interesting how the
Speaker 3: onus is always put on the girls. Well what happened
Speaker 3: to her? Well, why'd that happen to you? You know,
Speaker 3: I've had multiple people say to me when we got together,
Speaker 3: and I know you know this, Hillary. I don't know
Speaker 3: that the other two of you guys know this because
Speaker 3: you were one of the people I called freaking out
Speaker 3: when it was told to me. But when the whole
Speaker 3: gang of us got together to write our letter about
Speaker 3: our boss because we believed that there was power in
Speaker 3: numbers that it didn't need to be, this is what
Speaker 3: happened to her, And this is what happened to that girl,
Speaker 3: and this girl over here had this. It was like,
Speaker 3: these are the collective experiences that we, as cast and
Speaker 3: crew females on this show went through. I had reps
Speaker 3: at the time when me too was breaking that October
Speaker 3: a story was coming out about my coworker in Chicago,
Speaker 3: and my reps said to me, you're going to have
Speaker 3: to pick. You can either tell the story about your
Speaker 3: first boss or you can tell the story about your coworker.
Speaker 3: But you can't tell both because then it looks like
Speaker 3: it's your fault. Yeah, and that was professional advice.
Speaker 1: Wow picked us? You picked us?
Speaker 3: Of course I did, and I always would I would
Speaker 3: forever No thank you. But like you know, when when
Speaker 3: people on that other job say, why won't you stop
Speaker 3: talking about it or why did you need to bring
Speaker 3: it up, I'm like, you have no idea what I
Speaker 3: withheld that's benefitted you.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and that's the truth.
Speaker 3: In the same way that we all feel about our
Speaker 3: boss on this show, the way I feel about the
Speaker 3: predator on my other on that other show, is I'm
Speaker 3: not gonna be able to take this chip off my
Speaker 3: shoulder until you face some accountability. Yep, because you got
Speaker 3: to do this thing. You got to scar all these women,
Speaker 3: you got to hurt all these people. You've left a
Speaker 3: body count in your wake of people who have to
Speaker 3: go to therapy and do all of this gnarly work.
Speaker 3: And we didn't ask for that, And I agree with you.
Speaker 3: I don't know what we're supposed to do until there
Speaker 3: is some more accountability. I don't know what we're supposed
Speaker 3: to do that our boss was allowed to never make
Speaker 3: a comment. I don't know what I'm supposed to do that.
Speaker 3: My next employers rebranded sexual assault with witnesses as quote
Speaker 3: anger management issues in the press. I don't know what
Speaker 3: to do with that, and I don't know what to
Speaker 3: do with the fact that they get away with it.
Speaker 3: But every time I go on a set that's lovely,
Speaker 3: I start to go, Okay, this set was bad, and
Speaker 3: this set was bad. This movie was really great, and
Speaker 3: this movie was really great, and this show was really hard.
Speaker 3: Everything else show was really great. Like every other environment
Speaker 3: has actually been amazing. It just sucks that the ones
Speaker 3: we've been in the longest have been the worst.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know now that you're producing, like how much
Speaker 1: of this affected how you and Jensen run your own shows?
Speaker 5: M oh all of it.
Speaker 6: But also, I mean, we we only hired people that
Speaker 6: know how to behave themselves in our upstanding.
Speaker 7: You know.
Speaker 6: Our showrunner for Winchester's, which we just did, is so
Speaker 6: wonderful and so kind and caring with the actors and
Speaker 6: wanted their inputs, creatively checked to make sure they were
Speaker 6: okay with scenes when I mean just across the board
Speaker 6: hiring people to begin with that we trusted, you know,
Speaker 6: and then checking in. We did a lot of checking
Speaker 6: in with with the actors, which is something nobody really
Speaker 6: did for us and treat and and treating everybody equally,
Speaker 6: like we're all part of this production. It's we're all
Speaker 6: going to you know, yes, the showrunner is the top,
Speaker 6: but the showrunner still getting together with the actors and
Speaker 6: asking how they feel about things. Genuinely, I think it's
Speaker 6: beautiful and and you know, you feel that when you're
Speaker 6: working on a production. So we wanted to make sure
Speaker 6: that that that was done on our first project. And
Speaker 6: but yeah, you hire you you don't work with people
Speaker 6: just because oh, this person is a great writer, but
Speaker 6: we know there's a little bit of stuff in the
Speaker 6: background that wasn't even a consideration, and that person was
Speaker 6: off the life. You know, as as we're working on projects,
Speaker 6: we're always thinking about that, especially a project where you're
Speaker 6: putting young people. I mean we've we've all talked about that,
Speaker 6: I mean young actors. You know, there's comments I don't
Speaker 6: think I'll ever get over, you know, being called old
Speaker 6: neck and and like having to laugh that off because
Speaker 6: I have like lines on my neck that I've always had.
Speaker 9: You have a swan neck, Daniel, You're beautiful, but but
Speaker 9: you know, like old neck, the squeaky voice thing, them
Speaker 9: working it into the script then you know, yeah, I
Speaker 9: just got the phone.
Speaker 5: With the network, and you're gonna have.
Speaker 6: To try a little harder because you're not as pretty
Speaker 6: as the other girl.
Speaker 2: It's unbelievable.
Speaker 6: It's just unbelievable, and I mean I like, I totally
Speaker 6: believed it.
Speaker 3: I was like, you're light, it's so insane. We were
Speaker 3: all you go on to set and we all went home. Yeah, yeah, god,
Speaker 3: what do we like. I could barely look at you
Speaker 3: when you first got there because I was like, she's
Speaker 3: so pretty.
Speaker 6: But y'all were all you know, we were so young,
Speaker 6: and it was like One Tree Hill was my first
Speaker 6: big thing, so I was nervous and didn't really know
Speaker 6: what I was doing. And I was like, oh, yeah, okay,
Speaker 6: I'm not it's got it, got it, try harder because
Speaker 6: you're you're going to happen. This is a network of
Speaker 6: beautiful people. And she's like okay, and just the delivery
Speaker 6: on it was so matter of fact, like listen, this
Speaker 6: came from this came from the high ups.
Speaker 5: And I was like, Okay, you might not want to.
Speaker 6: Watch this scene because when you're crying in it, it's
Speaker 6: like really puffy, you.
Speaker 5: Know, like it's like Okay, Jesus, Okay.
Speaker 6: I gotta learn because I know some people look great crying.
Speaker 5: I legitimately do not.
Speaker 1: You guys, Oh my god, you crying with Uncle Cooper.
Speaker 1: We raved about that because she looked like a girl,
Speaker 1: like you w a girl? No, you look beautiful.
Speaker 6: But you know how like when you like, when I cry,
Speaker 6: I legitimately my face gets like two times more puffy.
Speaker 2: But it's human. You're a human being. Like everyone right
Speaker 2: looks bad when they cry. There's maybe like six people
Speaker 2: on the planet who look just absolutely stunning when they cry.
Speaker 2: But is it a real cry? I don't know, because
Speaker 2: you know what, if you're really sad, you can wrenching
Speaker 2: your guts out and you don't care what your face
Speaker 2: looks like. And that's the truth.
Speaker 6: So yeah, I mean we are like those kinds of
Speaker 6: scar like you just think about it, and I'm like, oh,
Speaker 6: you know, well, yeah, the next job, you bring that
Speaker 6: into your next job.
Speaker 5: I one hundred percent brought that into my next job.
Speaker 6: I'm like, Okay, I'm gonna have to try harder on
Speaker 6: this one because I'm not.
Speaker 5: As great as everybody else.
Speaker 2: And like it's just it's not true.
Speaker 6: We're all confident people because in a way, because we
Speaker 6: got into this business, but you know, the insecurities are
Speaker 6: definitely there, and you know, putting your your arm out there, and.
Speaker 3: When people purposefully pit you against your friends to make
Speaker 3: you feel like, you know, you're the least of this group.
Speaker 3: Isn't it so weird as adult women to go, oh,
Speaker 3: he did that to each one of us. Wow, he
Speaker 3: did that to every single one of us. He made
Speaker 3: us each feel that way. I'll never forget. I don't
Speaker 3: know if I ever told you this, but just for
Speaker 3: an example to return to you of how crazy this was,
Speaker 3: y'all were with me. I was going through one of
Speaker 3: the most horrific times of my life in season three.
Speaker 3: I was not okay and truly from the stress just
Speaker 3: like experience that I was going through. I wasn't sleeping,
Speaker 3: my hair started falling out, I'd lost a bunch of weight,
Speaker 3: like there was nothing I could physically do to stop
Speaker 3: it from showing on my body. And I remember our
Speaker 3: boss coming up to me one day really early in
Speaker 3: the third season and putting his arm around me walking
Speaker 3: from base camp to the set and going, look at you,
Speaker 3: You've gotten so skinny. You look like you've been doing
Speaker 3: a herointer or hanging out with Hillary. Oh god, because
Speaker 3: he always told me that I was fat because I
Speaker 3: wasn't as skinny as you. Yeah, and he like said
Speaker 3: it to me like it was a compliment, and I
Speaker 3: was like, Hi, I'm dying. I don't know how to
Speaker 3: go to sleep anymore.
Speaker 1: Like how do you?
Speaker 2: I just I really can't wrap my brain around somebody
Speaker 2: functioning like that on a day to day basis, Like
Speaker 2: what the hell kids? World do you live in?
Speaker 1: With kids? Thank you, guys, we were kids. We were kids.
Speaker 3: We were kids. We were in our early twenties. None
Speaker 3: of us was old enough to rent a car. Yet
Speaker 3: we couldn't rent a car.
Speaker 1: I don't know how you watch the magical like basketball
Speaker 1: scene in this episode and see all of that youthful
Speaker 1: exuberance and thinking I want to fuck those kids up, Like, yeah.
Speaker 10: We're so alive and right on the cusp of like
Speaker 10: doing the next big thing, and we all had so
Speaker 10: much ambition and potential and silliness in us, And why
Speaker 10: wouldn't you.
Speaker 6: Want that for your like as a producer? Now? Like
Speaker 6: you know you and I love you, love Meg Donnelly
Speaker 6: about as much as I do and I I am
Speaker 6: just like, you know what, what don't I want for
Speaker 6: her everything? I want her to get everything. We were
Speaker 6: talking about it something earlier and I was like.
Speaker 1: No, I'm producing a movie and I'm like, Meg Donald,
Speaker 1: can I have her? What can we do to build
Speaker 1: it up?
Speaker 6: You're like I need somebody like young. I'm like, you
Speaker 6: should use Meg, Meg, you know. And it's like, I
Speaker 6: think that's the difference. And I want to see everybody
Speaker 6: I'm working with do amazing things and like, oh.
Speaker 5: My gosh, the world.
Speaker 6: I don't want to take everything from them, and and
Speaker 6: but I think that's the difference with with someone like him, is.
Speaker 5: Just I want to own you.
Speaker 6: You're here because I said yes to you and no
Speaker 6: one else would have done that. And thank goodness I
Speaker 6: gave you this break. Thank goodness I put you where
Speaker 6: you are, you know, and One Tree Hill was my
Speaker 6: big break. And yes, you did say yes to me,
Speaker 6: and thank you. But the rest of the work I'm
Speaker 6: doing myself, you know. And the audition I did myself.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 6: It's but back then I really couldn't think that way,
Speaker 6: you know. I was I was too young and too green, and.
Speaker 3: Well we also just didn't know that there was a
Speaker 3: world where we could be mentored instead of stepped on.
Speaker 1: You guys, God did he was mentoring me. He was
Speaker 1: absolutely like, we're going to start a record label together.
Speaker 1: We're going to do with this production company together. So
Speaker 1: I had started a production company this season, season four
Speaker 1: of One Tree Hill, I started Southern Gothic Productions. And
Speaker 1: the scene that Chad and I shot in my comment
Speaker 1: Convert by the Water, I will remember that day as
Speaker 1: long as I live, because he was directing and we
Speaker 1: were he was seated up with me on the back
Speaker 1: seat while we were waiting for the camera to move,
Speaker 1: and I'm like, and we found this script and this guy,
Speaker 1: Nick Gray, my best friend, like wrote it and I
Speaker 1: was like so excited. I'm like, and we're gonna take
Speaker 1: it to this person and we have uta looking at
Speaker 1: it and like there was all this momentum and he
Speaker 1: just stopped me and he's like, honey, you're not smart
Speaker 1: enough to be a producer. Just enjoy being an actress.
Speaker 1: It's so much less work. And I so I just
Speaker 1: want to say, God, damn it, we're all producers now.
Speaker 1: So yeah, my second one of us is a producer.
Speaker 6: Now, Yes, that's just a terrible way to look at things.
Speaker 6: And I think, I from what I've seen on my end,
Speaker 6: that dynamic is changing.
Speaker 5: It's changing in the writer's room definitely.
Speaker 6: That we had for when Winchester's there wasn't a us
Speaker 6: against the actors, you know, the producers against the actors.
Speaker 5: Why does it have to be like that?
Speaker 6: It doesn't you know, in order to have a good
Speaker 6: production and turn out a good show, everybody has to
Speaker 6: be on the same page, working together.
Speaker 5: The best idea wins.
Speaker 2: I was just gonna say that, yes, my favorite.
Speaker 5: Like watching a production work like that.
Speaker 6: Is so so much more beautiful and then everybody's I
Speaker 6: don't think producing. I would argue that that acting is harder,
Speaker 6: but I don't know.
Speaker 5: Maybe depends. It depends on.
Speaker 6: The film or movie I guess, But yeah, that's that's upsetting.
Speaker 5: I remember when that happened to you.
Speaker 1: We had good stuff in this episode. We had really
Speaker 1: good stuff in this episode. And so for the fans
Speaker 1: at home that love it, I don't want to shit
Speaker 1: on it because I love it too. And I think
Speaker 1: that's what's so confusing, is that it can be an
Speaker 1: awful experience but a thing that we still love.
Speaker 6: I loved it's reflective in this actual episode. I mean
Speaker 6: like that struck me right off the bat, and I
Speaker 6: mean it was just like.
Speaker 5: It's so great and it's so bad.
Speaker 6: And that was my experience in this episode was I
Speaker 6: had so much fun.
Speaker 5: I hadn't seen my friends in a while. I was
Speaker 5: coming back.
Speaker 6: I had done a film in between, and I felt
Speaker 6: like more confident in what I was doing, and I
Speaker 6: came back with like, yes, I'm kind of doing I'm
Speaker 6: kind of doing good. And then I got like back
Speaker 6: to the face.
Speaker 5: But so it was.
Speaker 6: It was the episode of highs and lows, both on
Speaker 6: and off camera for me.
Speaker 5: Yeah, for sure.
Speaker 3: I think what's really important to reiterate about stuff like this,
Speaker 3: and you're right, is that it's both. You know, you
Speaker 3: can grow up with a complex family and have had
Speaker 3: nightmare times with them and beautiful times with them. And
Speaker 3: I think it's really important to remind our friends at
Speaker 3: home that you know, they watch an episode that's an
Speaker 3: hour long. But this took us eight days for seventeen
Speaker 3: hours a day. Some of those hours were terrible and
Speaker 3: really hard, and we were prepared for battle almost every
Speaker 3: day by now. By the end of season four, when
Speaker 3: we'd come to work and our boss would be there.
Speaker 3: But we also had times where we were having so
Speaker 3: much fun together. And I see that in us when
Speaker 3: we're dancing and we know we don't know the words,
Speaker 3: and I remember the words and moves. I remember when
Speaker 3: I got to a point I was wearing pumps and
Speaker 3: they kept trying to fly off my feet, so the
Speaker 3: wardrobe rubber banded my shoes to my feet. After a while,
Speaker 3: I was like, I can't feel my feet. You guys,
Speaker 3: if I fall on you, I'm so sorry, And like
Speaker 3: how funny that was. And I remember, to your point,
Speaker 3: the exuberance, like when we got to the river court
Speaker 3: and people started kicking their shoes off and we were
Speaker 3: throwing our jackets. He wasn't directing us to do any
Speaker 3: of that. We were doing it because we were together
Speaker 3: and there was beauty in it. But I think it's
Speaker 3: very hard when the world has only seen and celebrated
Speaker 3: the beauty of an experience, to be the one who
Speaker 3: knows there's pain, like you got to cut it out
Speaker 3: and you got to clean out the wound. And I'm
Speaker 3: I'm proud of us for doing this together, and I'm
Speaker 3: proud of the people who listen to us, who talk
Speaker 3: about how it matters, and who are motivated to share
Speaker 3: about their own lives because of things we share on
Speaker 3: the show, Like I really think healing is contagious and
Speaker 3: so you know, you said it, Hill, he can eat
Speaker 3: a bag of Dick's look at us now.
Speaker 1: All the day?
Speaker 3: Is that the title of this episode?
Speaker 7: Yes?
Speaker 1: I just love that that there's a whole new crop
Speaker 1: of young actors coming up through you, Daniel, because you
Speaker 1: know how to prepare, hear them and protect them. And
Speaker 1: that's awesome.
Speaker 6: Yeahful, I think just you know, we we need to
Speaker 6: just share that message the most you know on how
Speaker 6: to behave Yeah.
Speaker 5: I think that that's that's the key.
Speaker 6: And also the young people coming up now, Man, I
Speaker 6: can't imagine somebody on set grabbing someone's ass and that
Speaker 6: person not just turning around immediately, you know, or somebody
Speaker 6: siget like it feels like it feels like we are
Speaker 6: close to real change.
Speaker 5: It really does.
Speaker 1: Yeah, these kids have social media, God bless them. They
Speaker 1: can just taight some out real quick. I wish we'd
Speaker 1: add that exactly. Good for that. I love it. Do
Speaker 1: we have fan questions or do we want to just
Speaker 1: pick an honorable mention for this very conflicted episode.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think let's go for honorable mention.
Speaker 1: You know, I loved lean Norris jumping off of the
Speaker 1: roof and making his way down to Brook David.
Speaker 2: And punching that.
Speaker 3: He's sorry, you look great. I love that moment.
Speaker 5: Yeah. Yeah, I wish. I wish Mouth and Rachel would
Speaker 5: have kissed. I want.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you were being punished, Sophia got your present. I
Speaker 1: love it.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: No, Mouth had a nice reclamation and he never went creepy.
Speaker 1: He didn't try to sleep with Shelley, he didn't push
Speaker 1: it with Brooke. It was just I love you, You're
Speaker 1: my friend. Good luck. Yeah, see you later.
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1: Sweet ladies, Oh god, we graduated. I feel like you
Speaker 1: could take a breath now. I'm going to sleep tonight.
Speaker 3: Yeah, this episode's done to Neil.
Speaker 2: Thank you so much for joining us.
Speaker 5: No, thank you. Was this was good? A little bit
Speaker 5: of therapy.
Speaker 2: Absolutely?
Speaker 1: All right, let's spin that wheel. What do we have
Speaker 1: this week? This is the last wheel of high school ladies.
Speaker 3: I hope it's about high school.
Speaker 1: Well, let's just apply whatever it is to high school.
Speaker 3: Okay, okay, like in bed on a fortune cookie, most.
Speaker 5: Likely to become a Mamager.
Speaker 1: Oh, I mean.
Speaker 2: It's Brook, right, yeah?
Speaker 6: Brook?
Speaker 3: Oh my god. I feel like because Brook's mom was
Speaker 3: her CEO, she would never but maybe.
Speaker 1: We all become our parents.
Speaker 3: Yeah all right, Ben Brook.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think deb could go Ma meger.
Speaker 3: By the way. I was just gonna say, if Brooke
Speaker 3: did it the way Barbara's done it in real life,
Speaker 3: where she's raised her girls to be these amazing actresses
Speaker 3: and then goes and works on their shows to make
Speaker 3: sure they're safe, but like they're a obsessed with her,
Speaker 3: like they're having the best time. I'm like, that could
Speaker 3: be fun.
Speaker 1: No, absolutely, Barbara is the perfect example of the best
Speaker 1: way to do it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, she wins.
Speaker 5: Agreed.
Speaker 3: I love you, Barb. Okay, friends, next episode, I can't
Speaker 3: believe it. We're time jumping to season five, episode one,
Speaker 3: four years, six months, and two days.
Speaker 1: My gosh. The only thing I remember is Rachel being
Speaker 1: a junkie Daniel before we lose you. Do you want
Speaker 1: to give any like drug advice?
Speaker 6: Don't do drug, don't do them kids. Yeah, yeah, I'll
Speaker 6: come back for that episode.
Speaker 5: That's crazy.
Speaker 1: Okay, great, okay, shower, Well.
Speaker 6: Yeah, there is so much to talk about in that episode.
Speaker 2: So much good stuff, good Rachel stuff coming up.
Speaker 1: I love it all right.
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