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Speaker 1: First of all, you don't know me.

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Speaker 2: We all about that high school drama, Girl drama, girl,

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Speaker 2: all about them.

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Speaker 3: High school queens. We'll take you for a ride. And

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Speaker 3: our comic girl cheered for the right drama Queens of

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Speaker 3: girl fashion.

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Speaker 1: But your tough girl, you could sit with us.

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Speaker 4: Girl drama, Queens drama, Queens Drama, Queens Drama, drahn the

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Speaker 4: Queens Drama Queens.

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Speaker 1: You guys, we did it. We got through all of

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Speaker 1: season four.

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Speaker 3: Wow, we got through high school.

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Speaker 1: We did guy high schools over I think.

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Speaker 5: That was a line you said.

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Speaker 6: We did it.

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Speaker 3: We made it.

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Speaker 1: You guys have the Neil Acles with us this episode.

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Speaker 1: She maged. She watched the episode with us, which we

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Speaker 1: don't normally do with our guests. Neil, it's nice to

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Speaker 1: have you gasp along with us.

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Speaker 6: Yes, it took some turns that I didn't remember. Yeah,

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Speaker 6: some dark turns.

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Speaker 2: It felt so fitting having you back on this last episode.

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Speaker 2: It would it wouldn't have been the same without you.

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Speaker 2: I'm glad that they brought you back.

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Speaker 5: Thank you.

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Speaker 3: And it's it's kind of cool that you got to

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Speaker 3: join us today because you know, in the episode, Rachel

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Speaker 6: Yeah, that was good. It was really it was really

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Speaker 5: Like when I watch it and I don't know.

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Speaker 6: This is like a common thing that every that y'all

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Speaker 5: But I'm like, I don't remember doing that. I do

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Speaker 5: remember not knowing that dance at all, because.

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Speaker 1: Girls dance.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, because I come in like halfway and so y'all

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Speaker 5: So we were just at the practices talking, and.

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Speaker 6: So when it came to like when it came to

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Speaker 5: I remember like have panic attacks about it.

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, they were so mad at us for not

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Speaker 2: I think it's great. I love that we didn't know

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Speaker 2: we had all just happened to know this dance, right,

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Speaker 2: So it looks more authentic.

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Speaker 3: It looks more authentic. But I gotta say guys, we've

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Speaker 3: I was like, if we were any more synchronized, we'd

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Speaker 2: Exactly. We looked like a bunch of kids who knew

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Speaker 1: We made a creative decision for this episode, and it

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Speaker 2: Guys, it was so half assed that we were. When

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Speaker 2: We were all like those nights were late and long,

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Speaker 2: As many fans have pointed out the Easter Egg over

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Speaker 1: It's magic that way. It's just magic, you guys. Obviously

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Speaker 1: we're talking about season four, episode twenty one, All of

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Speaker 1: a sudden, I miss everyone. So this aired June thirteenth,

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Speaker 1: two thousand and seven. Who wants to read the synopsis? Danil,

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Speaker 6: In this season four finale, Dan turns himself in and

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Speaker 5: That was the dark part.

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Speaker 6: Haley gives birth to her and Nathan's baby boy, dead

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Speaker 6: of the year party. Rachel returns to Tree Hill to

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Speaker 6: Lucas wrestles with his post high school options, and Peyton

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Speaker 6: A lot going on, so much wow, talking.

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Speaker 1: About our babies being born. And we need to give

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Speaker 2: Alone dancing, let alone, playing basketball, let alone having sex

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Speaker 6: And birthing a like six month old baby A clean.

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Speaker 3: That baby came out squeaky clean and very fat.

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Speaker 1: teenage birth rates? They were just like see Haley did

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Speaker 5: Yes, yes, you'll still be wearing fine.

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Speaker 1: What's that underwear that you have to wear for like

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Speaker 1: like two months? Depend It's like this mesh they give

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Speaker 6: It's amazing. I took some from the hospital because I

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Speaker 3: All I can think about because y'all have done this.

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Speaker 3: I went, no, I'm good, No, absolutely not, I'm fine,

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Speaker 3: There's no way no. And I just cannot to your point,

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Speaker 3: Like where was our medical supervisor going, guys, you need

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Speaker 2: But this is the stuff that happens. I'm sure they

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Speaker 1: Yeah, take it over again. I loved all the I mean,

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Speaker 1: we've made fun of all the jailhouse and hospital theatrics

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Speaker 1: I've never seen one of those.

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Speaker 3: Never be allowed. And what's also crazy to me is

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Speaker 1: Did the little the squirt squirt with the shred squirt.

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Speaker 3: They're not giving her any meds, they're not operating like

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Speaker 2: And where was Haley? Rushed to?

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Speaker 1: Labor and delivery is a totally different waiting yeah, a

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Speaker 2: A long time. When you're ready to deliver the baby,

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Speaker 1: No. On her first child, she went from zero to

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Speaker 3: And then went to a party in a leather waist boat.

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Speaker 2: I saw the baby. Wait in two weeks, I'm.

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Speaker 2: Well, I loved that opening too, Sophia. I thought that

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Speaker 3: Yeah. Well, and and them being able to pull off

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Speaker 1: So Dan turns himself in and.

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Speaker 2: Just I wasn't surprised it had been building up.

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Speaker 1: It's weird that no one like circles him that no

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Speaker 2: Like he's already been to trial.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it would have been so nice, to your point,

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Speaker 3: if creatively we'd had people come around him still with

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Speaker 3: Imagine him going to get fingerprinted and to get his

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Speaker 3: mug shot taken. Yeah, those would have been nice scenes

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I want a dance Scott mug shot. How come

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Speaker 1: I'll have one of those me too.

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Speaker 3: I want one on a coffee mug.

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Speaker 2: I have a Dance Scot coffee mug of his mug shop. No,

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Speaker 2: but that would be funny.

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Speaker 3: I want that.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's what we're into.

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Speaker 5: Somebody's doing it right now as we speak.

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Speaker 3: Let's make one for Paul for his next birthday.

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Speaker 5: You would love that, honestly that.

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Speaker 5: He was nervous through any of that.

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Speaker 5: I don't know how I could have done that. I

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Speaker 2: Yeah, guys, we were so lucky to have them to

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Speaker 1: Well, Joy, you said it like they committed to it

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Speaker 2: In the fetal position.

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Speaker 2: of different emotions, but that was my favorite anyway.

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00:21:23,440 --> 00:21:25,480
Speaker 5: Yeah, so good. Yeah.

447
00:21:25,520 --> 00:21:28,760
Speaker 6: I kept wondering if do you think that spit that

448
00:21:28,880 --> 00:21:31,080
Speaker 6: Karen does was scripted or was that her?

449
00:21:32,600 --> 00:21:34,879
Speaker 2: I think that was her. I think that was Moira.

450
00:21:35,320 --> 00:21:37,439
Speaker 6: I'm wondering, Like when I saw it, I was like, oh,

451
00:21:37,480 --> 00:21:38,520
Speaker 6: I bet you that was her.

452
00:21:39,000 --> 00:21:40,080
Speaker 5: I bet you she did that.

453
00:21:40,080 --> 00:21:42,560
Speaker 6: That was my first because it was so good and

454
00:21:42,600 --> 00:21:46,879
Speaker 6: it just felt so unexpected. Yeah, and it was like

455
00:21:46,920 --> 00:21:51,040
Speaker 6: a really juicy, like wad of spit.

456
00:21:52,160 --> 00:21:53,280
Speaker 1: Yeah it was.

457
00:21:55,000 --> 00:21:57,040
Speaker 3: Yeah, it wasn't like she'd done it ten times in

458
00:21:57,080 --> 00:21:57,440
Speaker 3: a row.

459
00:21:58,080 --> 00:22:00,480
Speaker 1: I feel bad for her though, because everyone else is

460
00:22:00,520 --> 00:22:03,000
Speaker 1: having the time of their life in this episode and

461
00:22:03,040 --> 00:22:09,719
Speaker 1: she's like trudging through. Karen never gets a break, Like

462
00:22:09,840 --> 00:22:14,159
Speaker 1: it's exhausting. Yeah, her and deb good at this point.

463
00:22:14,720 --> 00:22:17,000
Speaker 2: I feel like they are, aren't they? Oh no? The

464
00:22:17,040 --> 00:22:19,320
Speaker 2: last thing that happened was Deb dropped a gun in

465
00:22:19,359 --> 00:22:21,359
Speaker 2: the cafe that went off. I think that's the last

466
00:22:21,880 --> 00:22:24,159
Speaker 2: interaction they have had, isn't it.

467
00:22:25,880 --> 00:22:26,680
Speaker 1: I can't remember.

468
00:22:27,200 --> 00:22:30,879
Speaker 3: I can't either. I love when they're good, though, so

469
00:22:31,000 --> 00:22:34,040
Speaker 3: I hope I don't remember what happens with them after

470
00:22:34,080 --> 00:22:34,760
Speaker 3: the time jump.

471
00:22:35,040 --> 00:22:37,359
Speaker 1: Oh no, Deb told her in the bathroom. She's like,

472
00:22:37,359 --> 00:22:39,760
Speaker 1: stay away from Dan. He's bad news. Don't do that.

473
00:22:40,160 --> 00:22:45,199
Speaker 1: Karen did it anyway? Oh yeah, I don't know. I

474
00:22:45,280 --> 00:22:46,959
Speaker 1: need that girl gang to get back together.

475
00:22:47,400 --> 00:22:50,879
Speaker 3: Same. I like them together a lot.

476
00:22:51,160 --> 00:22:53,320
Speaker 1: I like that Deb doesn't want to be grandma. Good

477
00:22:53,320 --> 00:22:53,600
Speaker 1: for her.

478
00:22:54,680 --> 00:22:57,000
Speaker 3: Well, it's really interesting, right. There's a lot of these

479
00:22:57,040 --> 00:23:01,480
Speaker 3: moments that we get in the episode where people are

480
00:23:01,520 --> 00:23:06,040
Speaker 3: experiencing enough vulnerability to voice I'm not ready for this

481
00:23:06,119 --> 00:23:08,879
Speaker 3: next part. Deb is like, I don't want you to

482
00:23:08,920 --> 00:23:09,919
Speaker 3: call me a grandma.

483
00:23:10,040 --> 00:23:12,320
Speaker 1: Guys, she's our age and she's playing a grandma.

484
00:23:12,640 --> 00:23:16,880
Speaker 3: No, that's insane. And and you know we're all sitting

485
00:23:16,960 --> 00:23:19,520
Speaker 3: there going, wait, we're not ready. Like I say to Chase,

486
00:23:20,320 --> 00:23:22,600
Speaker 3: I don't want to be gone, And we talk about

487
00:23:22,640 --> 00:23:25,640
Speaker 3: how weird it feels that, you know, these seniors, these

488
00:23:25,800 --> 00:23:27,920
Speaker 3: these juniors now they're going to be seniors, and we're

489
00:23:28,000 --> 00:23:31,560
Speaker 3: just what we're done, We're gone.

490
00:23:32,000 --> 00:23:35,160
Speaker 6: Your whole life as you know, it just changes in yeah,

491
00:23:35,240 --> 00:23:35,760
Speaker 6: an hour.

492
00:23:36,600 --> 00:23:39,399
Speaker 3: And I really like that we got to do that,

493
00:23:38,840 --> 00:23:42,320
Speaker 3: that we all got to express the excitement for what's coming,

494
00:23:42,320 --> 00:23:44,800
Speaker 3: but also wishing we didn't have to go. I mean,

495
00:23:45,080 --> 00:23:49,199
Speaker 3: Peyton does it with Lucas. You know, it's it is

496
00:23:49,320 --> 00:23:53,359
Speaker 3: really wild, even our stuff Danil. When Brooke gets to

497
00:23:53,359 --> 00:23:56,480
Speaker 3: give Rachel her diploma, it's like, we did it.

498
00:23:57,200 --> 00:23:58,200
Speaker 5: Yeah, but what's that mean?

499
00:23:58,480 --> 00:24:01,840
Speaker 3: Like now it's over? Oh no, and it's so it's

500
00:24:01,840 --> 00:24:03,160
Speaker 3: so real and so sweet.

501
00:24:04,040 --> 00:24:04,480
Speaker 5: Yeah.

502
00:24:04,640 --> 00:24:07,960
Speaker 6: I loved that part because I loved I just loved

503
00:24:08,040 --> 00:24:11,080
Speaker 6: Rachel and Brooke. I love Rachel Brooke ye too, you know,

504
00:24:12,359 --> 00:24:15,760
Speaker 6: because they really loved each other. They just you know,

505
00:24:15,960 --> 00:24:17,720
Speaker 6: it was just there's so much there was so much

506
00:24:17,760 --> 00:24:20,520
Speaker 6: competition and all of that, but at the end of

507
00:24:20,560 --> 00:24:22,720
Speaker 6: the day, they really I think, respected each other.

508
00:24:22,800 --> 00:24:24,720
Speaker 5: And yeah, it was sweet.

509
00:24:25,280 --> 00:24:28,480
Speaker 3: I loved all of that. And and it is interesting

510
00:24:28,960 --> 00:24:34,720
Speaker 3: that I don't know, I I felt a lot of

511
00:24:34,760 --> 00:24:39,640
Speaker 3: that emotion very viscerally. Some of the conversations we were

512
00:24:39,640 --> 00:24:42,760
Speaker 3: all having in those scenes like I feel them in

513
00:24:42,800 --> 00:24:46,560
Speaker 3: my body again. I remember what it felt like to

514
00:24:46,640 --> 00:24:51,959
Speaker 3: be scared of what was coming and to read, you know,

515
00:24:52,200 --> 00:24:58,760
Speaker 3: the lines in Lucas's book about Brook and to realize

516
00:24:58,760 --> 00:25:01,280
Speaker 3: that all these characters our own way. We're afraid of

517
00:25:01,280 --> 00:25:03,919
Speaker 3: what am I going to become? And will I be

518
00:25:04,119 --> 00:25:07,679
Speaker 3: what the people who love me think I'll be? Is

519
00:25:07,720 --> 00:25:12,800
Speaker 3: it all going to be okay? And I don't know.

520
00:25:13,440 --> 00:25:15,880
Speaker 3: It feels really alive still. That's one of those things

521
00:25:15,920 --> 00:25:17,920
Speaker 3: like when we talk about you watch a scene and

522
00:25:17,960 --> 00:25:21,119
Speaker 3: you can like smell the air there. I remember being

523
00:25:21,200 --> 00:25:23,800
Speaker 3: in those rooms at night and it was you know,

524
00:25:23,880 --> 00:25:26,760
Speaker 3: some nights were really cold, and then randomly that last

525
00:25:26,840 --> 00:25:28,440
Speaker 3: night at the river Court was warm and we were

526
00:25:28,480 --> 00:25:31,000
Speaker 3: throwing our jackets off and people were kicking off their shoes,

527
00:25:31,080 --> 00:25:34,320
Speaker 3: and I just remember the way that all of that felt.

528
00:25:34,520 --> 00:25:40,200
Speaker 2: Yes, I remember, was it crispy Chris christy Vespie running

529
00:25:40,200 --> 00:25:45,240
Speaker 2: around with a little buttine curling iron on our hair because.

530
00:25:44,960 --> 00:25:45,840
Speaker 3: It was so humid.

531
00:25:46,080 --> 00:25:50,919
Speaker 2: Yes, it's the humidity that was great. That River Court night.

532
00:25:51,840 --> 00:25:55,520
Speaker 1: The scene where you're like, I'm scared, just like voicing it.

533
00:25:56,160 --> 00:25:58,840
Speaker 1: That was an early Gardens. I remember that night like

534
00:25:58,920 --> 00:26:02,600
Speaker 1: it was yesterday, like you and James coming up to

535
00:26:02,680 --> 00:26:05,679
Speaker 1: Chad and I sitting on the benches. Do you remember that?

536
00:26:06,119 --> 00:26:10,320
Speaker 1: Because we split up, we shot like a week at

537
00:26:10,359 --> 00:26:13,680
Speaker 1: that house, but then we shot a bunch of exteriors

538
00:26:13,720 --> 00:26:17,720
Speaker 1: at Early Gardens because it matched the lake that was

539
00:26:17,720 --> 00:26:22,159
Speaker 1: in that house. And that was that. Yeah, that was

540
00:26:22,240 --> 00:26:25,800
Speaker 1: that night where you and Lucas had your scene. But

541
00:26:25,880 --> 00:26:30,200
Speaker 1: I like that, Haley said, I'm scared. I'm scared because

542
00:26:30,520 --> 00:26:32,480
Speaker 1: this whole time you've been like, yeah, i'll have a baby,

543
00:26:32,760 --> 00:26:35,520
Speaker 1: I'll do that, it'll be fine. I'll graduate toime of

544
00:26:35,520 --> 00:26:37,920
Speaker 1: the class. I'll just do that. It's totally fine. I'll

545
00:26:37,920 --> 00:26:38,960
Speaker 1: get married in high school.

546
00:26:38,960 --> 00:26:40,640
Speaker 2: It's yeah, yeah, no, prop I got this, I got

547
00:26:40,640 --> 00:26:42,080
Speaker 2: this graduation.

548
00:26:41,720 --> 00:26:44,080
Speaker 1: This party. Now I'm freaked out. Now it's real.

549
00:26:44,200 --> 00:26:48,520
Speaker 2: I know she's had to be. I guess it's funny

550
00:26:48,520 --> 00:26:51,040
Speaker 2: because she has older siblings, but for whatever reason, she

551
00:26:51,040 --> 00:26:53,560
Speaker 2: took on the role in her life of like, it's fine,

552
00:26:53,600 --> 00:26:56,080
Speaker 2: don't worry about me, parents take care, probably because she

553
00:26:56,119 --> 00:26:58,679
Speaker 2: had siblings that were a little unruly, so if she

554
00:26:58,720 --> 00:27:01,800
Speaker 2: could be the one that wasn't any drama, it was like, oh, easy,

555
00:27:01,920 --> 00:27:06,760
Speaker 2: easy role to step into. But yeah, it's nice to

556
00:27:06,800 --> 00:27:09,960
Speaker 2: see for her. After all this time, I've just been like,

557
00:27:10,000 --> 00:27:11,520
Speaker 2: I got this, I can do it. I can do it.

558
00:27:11,560 --> 00:27:13,920
Speaker 2: To finally have a moment of actually have no idea

559
00:27:13,960 --> 00:27:17,280
Speaker 2: what I'm doing. And it's terrifying having a baby. The

560
00:27:17,320 --> 00:27:21,240
Speaker 2: first time you have a baby. It's so scary.

561
00:27:21,680 --> 00:27:24,000
Speaker 6: Every day is scary every moment.

562
00:27:24,040 --> 00:27:25,200
Speaker 2: Yes, every day I've been.

563
00:27:25,200 --> 00:27:26,760
Speaker 5: A joy and stuff like that.

564
00:27:26,920 --> 00:27:29,879
Speaker 2: But of course, well that's what makes it worthwhile. I mean,

565
00:27:30,119 --> 00:27:33,879
Speaker 2: that's what keeps you going. But the terror of like

566
00:27:34,080 --> 00:27:37,280
Speaker 2: am I doing this right? And I'm every possible thing

567
00:27:37,320 --> 00:27:40,760
Speaker 2: that you do, you're afraid could actually kill this human

568
00:27:40,800 --> 00:27:46,880
Speaker 2: being that is yours, And it's it's absolutely absolutely terrifying.

569
00:27:47,200 --> 00:27:49,359
Speaker 1: Well, and we haven't really seen Haley do anything to

570
00:27:49,440 --> 00:27:52,520
Speaker 1: prep Like you didn't take the MOS classes, I didn't

571
00:27:52,520 --> 00:27:54,040
Speaker 1: write no books, no books.

572
00:27:54,480 --> 00:27:56,320
Speaker 6: There was no baby proofing of the house.

573
00:27:56,359 --> 00:27:59,120
Speaker 1: No, no, no, not at all.

574
00:27:59,200 --> 00:28:01,560
Speaker 2: All the drawers and in clothes, it's no problem.

575
00:28:01,760 --> 00:28:05,000
Speaker 1: And like, also, are you breastfeeding? Like what's going on?

576
00:28:06,240 --> 00:28:10,480
Speaker 1: Like a man? A man told this story?

577
00:28:11,320 --> 00:28:11,439
Speaker 5: Right?

578
00:28:11,680 --> 00:28:14,359
Speaker 1: Yes, I just remember like two weeks after my baby

579
00:28:14,359 --> 00:28:17,480
Speaker 1: being born, my boobs leaking everywhere. Just be like, what

580
00:28:17,520 --> 00:28:18,040
Speaker 1: do I do?

581
00:28:18,560 --> 00:28:20,320
Speaker 2: I was like in a wheelchair on set.

582
00:28:20,760 --> 00:28:22,360
Speaker 6: Are like wearing cabbage?

583
00:28:22,640 --> 00:28:27,680
Speaker 8: Oh cabbage, yes, remember the cabbage, So like, yeah, cabbage

584
00:28:27,680 --> 00:28:30,199
Speaker 8: for those of you who don't know, will kind of

585
00:28:30,840 --> 00:28:33,000
Speaker 8: stop your breasts from leaking.

586
00:28:33,400 --> 00:28:35,199
Speaker 5: Yeah, and it can actually if you leave it on

587
00:28:35,560 --> 00:28:37,040
Speaker 5: for multiple.

588
00:28:36,760 --> 00:28:40,360
Speaker 6: Days, like I tried you breastfeeding. I left it on

589
00:28:40,400 --> 00:28:42,320
Speaker 6: for three or four days, and it drives you right up.

590
00:28:42,440 --> 00:28:45,400
Speaker 5: The oddest thing. I don't know the science behind it.

591
00:28:45,520 --> 00:28:49,120
Speaker 6: Someone go google it, but wild and I always smelled

592
00:28:49,160 --> 00:28:52,680
Speaker 6: like old wet cabbage.

593
00:28:54,360 --> 00:28:54,760
Speaker 2: Mommy.

594
00:28:55,800 --> 00:28:58,080
Speaker 3: But we were out there dancing to the Spice Girls,

595
00:28:58,080 --> 00:28:59,880
Speaker 3: and Haley was probably in the front.

596
00:29:01,880 --> 00:29:12,320
Speaker 1: Oh my god, I do like the convenient bun that

597
00:29:12,400 --> 00:29:14,880
Speaker 1: Haley threw in, because after like two days of being

598
00:29:14,840 --> 00:29:16,520
Speaker 1: into that house, it was like, I gotta get my

599
00:29:16,560 --> 00:29:16,959
Speaker 1: hair up.

600
00:29:17,280 --> 00:29:20,680
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, that's funny. That's probably exactly what happened. I

601
00:29:20,680 --> 00:29:22,200
Speaker 2: was like, guys, it's too hot. I can't. I got

602
00:29:22,240 --> 00:29:25,760
Speaker 2: this cardigan on. I'm in jeans. Can't handle it anymore,

603
00:29:25,840 --> 00:29:29,400
Speaker 2: long sleeves and jeans. Oh the things we did to

604
00:29:29,520 --> 00:29:32,360
Speaker 2: make it work. I didn't. I had no idea, and

605
00:29:32,520 --> 00:29:35,240
Speaker 2: I was I had a baby like four three or

606
00:29:35,240 --> 00:29:39,440
Speaker 2: four years later and it's so funny, so funny watching

607
00:29:39,480 --> 00:29:43,800
Speaker 2: it back now, just it's weird to pretend to be

608
00:29:43,920 --> 00:29:47,720
Speaker 2: pregnant and have a baby when you've never had that experienced.

609
00:29:48,160 --> 00:29:51,600
Speaker 5: You did a great job. I bought it.

610
00:29:51,600 --> 00:29:53,920
Speaker 2: It was a slow motion, that's als and Neil, it's

611
00:29:54,000 --> 00:29:54,840
Speaker 2: just a slow mode.

612
00:29:55,120 --> 00:29:57,120
Speaker 6: I thought it looked pretty real, you know. But I

613
00:29:57,120 --> 00:29:59,240
Speaker 6: didn't do a natural labor, so I have no idea.

614
00:29:59,600 --> 00:30:03,320
Speaker 6: My eye idea of like natural labor is the movies.

615
00:30:03,440 --> 00:30:06,400
Speaker 6: And Hillary, who I feel like, was like, yeah, I'm

616
00:30:06,440 --> 00:30:09,600
Speaker 6: in labor right now. You were telling me like, yeah,

617
00:30:09,640 --> 00:30:12,120
Speaker 6: I'm just standing in the shower. It's fine, I'm.

618
00:30:11,960 --> 00:30:16,120
Speaker 1: Good, just texting, It's fine, It's okay.

619
00:30:16,520 --> 00:30:17,240
Speaker 5: I guess he how.

620
00:30:17,200 --> 00:30:20,719
Speaker 1: That bad Danielle gave me that book What to Expect

621
00:30:20,720 --> 00:30:23,440
Speaker 1: when You're expecting, because I wouldn't. I mean, I had

622
00:30:23,440 --> 00:30:26,280
Speaker 1: a baby. I was twenty six when I got pregnant.

623
00:30:26,000 --> 00:30:27,280
Speaker 5: With I don't know why I gave you that.

624
00:30:27,320 --> 00:30:29,280
Speaker 6: I mean I probably just looked up, like what do

625
00:30:29,360 --> 00:30:30,720
Speaker 6: you give someone that's pregnant.

626
00:30:30,720 --> 00:30:31,520
Speaker 5: That's got to be it.

627
00:30:31,880 --> 00:30:34,000
Speaker 1: I would have never even known to go get a book,

628
00:30:34,840 --> 00:30:36,520
Speaker 1: but didn't give it to me. And it's like it's

629
00:30:36,520 --> 00:30:38,840
Speaker 1: slightly horrifying because it takes you through month by month

630
00:30:39,120 --> 00:30:45,080
Speaker 1: and there's so much to do. It's just list this list, list, list, no, listen.

631
00:30:45,160 --> 00:30:49,160
Speaker 1: I learned a lot. Gus is still alive, so it worked.

632
00:30:50,760 --> 00:30:53,040
Speaker 2: That's the thing, Like, it's really hard to screw it up.

633
00:30:53,080 --> 00:30:55,480
Speaker 2: The truth is like almost nothing that you're gonna do

634
00:30:55,560 --> 00:30:57,040
Speaker 2: is gonna kill your baby. You're fine.

635
00:30:57,080 --> 00:30:59,320
Speaker 1: Oh and I love the dead turn the phone off.

636
00:30:59,440 --> 00:31:02,600
Speaker 1: It's just like yes. She's like, guys, that was it.

637
00:31:02,880 --> 00:31:05,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, that was a very sweet scene. And you

638
00:31:06,000 --> 00:31:08,600
Speaker 3: said it earlier, JOI. It's nice to see deb in

639
00:31:08,640 --> 00:31:11,160
Speaker 3: a parental role, and I like that she gets to

640
00:31:11,160 --> 00:31:13,200
Speaker 3: be the one who reveals the joke that you're both

641
00:31:13,240 --> 00:31:16,720
Speaker 3: sneaking away the callow. You know, it's a very a

642
00:31:16,840 --> 00:31:19,400
Speaker 3: very cute it's the very cute reveal. It's a great

643
00:31:19,400 --> 00:31:20,920
Speaker 3: way to do a little bit of exposition.

644
00:31:21,280 --> 00:31:23,880
Speaker 6: And she's very self deprecating. She's like, yes, I'm not

645
00:31:23,960 --> 00:31:25,200
Speaker 6: on drugs, but bring me.

646
00:31:25,120 --> 00:31:29,240
Speaker 5: Some, like.

647
00:31:30,400 --> 00:31:33,200
Speaker 1: Speaking of drugs. Deal. I don't know if you remember this.

648
00:31:33,240 --> 00:31:35,400
Speaker 1: I don't know if you guys all remember this, but

649
00:31:36,440 --> 00:31:40,080
Speaker 1: we were filming all night. So this house that we

650
00:31:40,080 --> 00:31:44,760
Speaker 1: were filming at was due to be destroyed the children

651
00:31:44,960 --> 00:31:47,600
Speaker 1: of this estate. Their parents no longer lived in this home.

652
00:31:47,680 --> 00:31:49,720
Speaker 1: They had sold it to a developer. This house was

653
00:31:49,720 --> 00:31:51,320
Speaker 1: going to get torn down. So they were like, yeah,

654
00:31:51,320 --> 00:31:53,640
Speaker 1: you guys can do whatever you want to it. So,

655
00:31:53,720 --> 00:31:56,000
Speaker 1: of course our productions like, We're going to go balls

656
00:31:56,040 --> 00:32:00,520
Speaker 1: out all night long for a whole week, graffiti the wall. Yeah,

657
00:32:01,720 --> 00:32:04,120
Speaker 1: it's gonna be nuts. But what that meant was, it's

658
00:32:04,160 --> 00:32:06,840
Speaker 1: the very last episode of the season. We are all

659
00:32:07,000 --> 00:32:12,560
Speaker 1: already so exhausted, yea. The previous episode had been all daytime,

660
00:32:12,960 --> 00:32:16,160
Speaker 1: and so our body clocks were scheduled for all daytime.

661
00:32:16,920 --> 00:32:20,760
Speaker 1: This episode was all night time, right, Yeah, And so

662
00:32:21,400 --> 00:32:24,960
Speaker 1: all the boys were loading up on like Red Bulls

663
00:32:25,040 --> 00:32:27,960
Speaker 1: and Monster Energy drinks and five Hour Energy and like

664
00:32:28,000 --> 00:32:30,640
Speaker 1: all that kind of stuff, and that shit makes my

665
00:32:30,720 --> 00:32:32,720
Speaker 1: heart hurt. I can't drink it. It makes a heart hurt.

666
00:32:32,800 --> 00:32:33,760
Speaker 2: Ye So I go.

667
00:32:33,800 --> 00:32:37,680
Speaker 1: To the freaking like Harris Teeter, right, and I pick

668
00:32:37,800 --> 00:32:41,400
Speaker 1: up caffeine pills and coming to the hair and makeup

669
00:32:41,440 --> 00:32:44,680
Speaker 1: trailer and make the Jesse Spano from Save by the

670
00:32:44,680 --> 00:32:47,880
Speaker 1: Bell joke. I'm like, you, guys, I'm so excited, and

671
00:32:47,920 --> 00:32:51,160
Speaker 1: we're like, you know, I want to say like each

672
00:32:51,200 --> 00:32:53,640
Speaker 1: one of them was the equivalent of like three cups

673
00:32:53,640 --> 00:32:57,360
Speaker 1: of coffee, and so were we all were taking them

674
00:32:57,360 --> 00:33:00,880
Speaker 1: and like joking about it, and like, you know, Liz

675
00:33:01,280 --> 00:33:04,200
Speaker 1: is there. Everyone is just kind of in like a

676
00:33:04,400 --> 00:33:08,000
Speaker 1: slap happy mood because we have to go into work

677
00:33:08,040 --> 00:33:11,360
Speaker 1: at like three and then stay up till seven o'clock in.

678
00:33:11,360 --> 00:33:13,400
Speaker 3: The morning next day. Yeah, it's insane.

679
00:33:13,760 --> 00:33:17,480
Speaker 1: So we're taking these pills and you know, you guys know,

680
00:33:17,520 --> 00:33:20,120
Speaker 1: this was not a good episode for me with our boss.

681
00:33:20,680 --> 00:33:26,200
Speaker 1: It was like the worst. And we shot most of

682
00:33:26,240 --> 00:33:30,600
Speaker 1: our episode during the week and then we had our

683
00:33:30,600 --> 00:33:33,040
Speaker 1: weekend where a rap party was going to be and

684
00:33:33,080 --> 00:33:35,480
Speaker 1: they had to pick up a couple more days after

685
00:33:35,520 --> 00:33:38,120
Speaker 1: the weekend. So we're at the rap party and we're

686
00:33:38,160 --> 00:33:41,200
Speaker 1: all like, you know, singing karaoke and just having a

687
00:33:41,200 --> 00:33:44,240
Speaker 1: good time. And I find out our boss had spread

688
00:33:44,240 --> 00:33:46,440
Speaker 1: the rumor that we were all that I was the

689
00:33:46,520 --> 00:33:50,080
Speaker 1: ring leader and we were all doing cocaine to stay

690
00:33:50,160 --> 00:33:53,720
Speaker 1: up while we were filming. Yes, I recall that he

691
00:33:53,800 --> 00:33:56,520
Speaker 1: was telling everyone I was doing cocaine because we'd had

692
00:33:56,520 --> 00:33:59,520
Speaker 1: an altercation with one another and he wanted to discredit me.

693
00:33:59,600 --> 00:34:02,120
Speaker 1: So we tells everyone that we're doing coke, and so

694
00:34:02,240 --> 00:34:05,560
Speaker 1: we Danille and I maybe Elizabeth too. I don't know

695
00:34:05,600 --> 00:34:07,800
Speaker 1: who else was in on this, maybe lasted ter. We

696
00:34:07,840 --> 00:34:10,080
Speaker 1: went to Edge of Urge, which is a shop that

697
00:34:10,120 --> 00:34:11,839
Speaker 1: we've told you guys about a lot on the show,

698
00:34:12,320 --> 00:34:14,720
Speaker 1: and she just so happened to have these T shirts

699
00:34:14,760 --> 00:34:17,279
Speaker 1: in that had a picture of this dude from like

700
00:34:17,360 --> 00:34:20,160
Speaker 1: the eighties on it with blood coming out of his

701
00:34:20,239 --> 00:34:24,480
Speaker 1: nose and the shirt said coke blows. So we hear

702
00:34:24,520 --> 00:34:26,440
Speaker 1: this rumor at the rap party and we're like, that

703
00:34:26,600 --> 00:34:29,879
Speaker 1: guy tell lies about us. You guys, I didn't even

704
00:34:29,880 --> 00:34:32,399
Speaker 1: smoke weed until just this past year.

705
00:34:32,760 --> 00:34:34,560
Speaker 6: You were the actual clean teen.

706
00:34:34,920 --> 00:34:36,439
Speaker 5: You were the actual clean teen.

707
00:34:36,680 --> 00:34:39,640
Speaker 1: I hate drugs, hate them, just not for me. So

708
00:34:39,719 --> 00:34:41,879
Speaker 1: we all show up at work on Monday wearing these

709
00:34:42,000 --> 00:34:43,680
Speaker 1: Coke Blows T shirts.

710
00:34:45,040 --> 00:34:46,600
Speaker 5: I wonder where mine is.

711
00:34:47,520 --> 00:34:49,040
Speaker 1: I still have mine. It's in an attam.

712
00:34:49,200 --> 00:34:51,800
Speaker 5: I probably do. I probably have it in a box.

713
00:34:52,680 --> 00:34:55,600
Speaker 1: It was. It was the most perfect piece of merchandise

714
00:34:55,719 --> 00:34:58,879
Speaker 1: for the moment, because you let him know, like, we're

715
00:34:58,920 --> 00:35:01,719
Speaker 1: on to you, you mother, spreading rumors about us they're

716
00:35:01,800 --> 00:35:03,960
Speaker 1: not true. Instead of being but hurt, we're gonna make

717
00:35:03,960 --> 00:35:06,239
Speaker 1: fun of you. And wear these shirts all day of work.

718
00:35:06,680 --> 00:35:07,439
Speaker 2: Yeah, so good.

719
00:35:07,560 --> 00:35:11,040
Speaker 3: But by the way, just so you know, after you left,

720
00:35:11,600 --> 00:35:13,920
Speaker 3: he did a whole nother round of that, either like

721
00:35:14,040 --> 00:35:17,799
Speaker 3: season seven or season eight. Fantastic because how inappropriate he

722
00:35:17,920 --> 00:35:20,040
Speaker 3: was being with the next batch of girls he brought

723
00:35:20,040 --> 00:35:22,920
Speaker 3: into the show was coming to light. So he started

724
00:35:22,960 --> 00:35:26,080
Speaker 3: another whole thing that all the girls were doing coke

725
00:35:26,200 --> 00:35:28,760
Speaker 3: and all that, and it was like, what is wrong

726
00:35:28,800 --> 00:35:32,160
Speaker 3: with you? Also, do you have one story a decade? Yeah,

727
00:35:32,880 --> 00:35:34,160
Speaker 3: it's just so embarrassing.

728
00:35:34,200 --> 00:35:38,879
Speaker 1: And no one was doing coke then? No, what nineties thing?

729
00:35:39,600 --> 00:35:43,839
Speaker 6: Right? I was like, oh, what maybe if he would

730
00:35:43,880 --> 00:35:49,600
Speaker 6: have said like not maybe, but not even I mean

731
00:35:49,640 --> 00:35:51,160
Speaker 6: it was like that was not the thing.

732
00:35:51,840 --> 00:35:52,200
Speaker 5: I mean.

733
00:35:53,760 --> 00:35:56,480
Speaker 6: Drinking, Yeah, maybe I might have been like guilty of

734
00:35:56,520 --> 00:35:57,520
Speaker 6: that once or twice.

735
00:35:57,719 --> 00:35:59,960
Speaker 1: Drinking, Yeah, we drink all the time.

736
00:36:00,680 --> 00:36:02,080
Speaker 3: Well there was nothing else to do there.

737
00:36:02,600 --> 00:36:06,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's not illegal. But it makes me wonder how

738
00:36:06,120 --> 00:36:09,799
Speaker 1: many like casting directors and producers and executives back in

739
00:36:09,880 --> 00:36:13,160
Speaker 1: Los Angeles heard the rumor that Hillary Burton's doing cocaine,

740
00:36:13,400 --> 00:36:15,440
Speaker 1: which well I still never teached.

741
00:36:15,640 --> 00:36:18,719
Speaker 6: I can tell you one or two did, because on

742
00:36:18,760 --> 00:36:22,520
Speaker 6: my next job after that, I was asked like, what, so,

743
00:36:22,880 --> 00:36:26,120
Speaker 6: how much of a problem, Like are you how much

744
00:36:26,160 --> 00:36:26,359
Speaker 6: of it?

745
00:36:26,360 --> 00:36:30,239
Speaker 5: And I'm like I'm kind of no problems. Yeah I don't.

746
00:36:30,280 --> 00:36:30,759
Speaker 1: We're good.

747
00:36:30,840 --> 00:36:32,919
Speaker 5: But yeah that was death.

748
00:36:33,040 --> 00:36:35,000
Speaker 6: He's like, okay, because I spoke to like one of

749
00:36:35,040 --> 00:36:36,200
Speaker 6: your previous employers.

750
00:36:36,239 --> 00:36:39,200
Speaker 5: I was like, nay, I think I know who it is.

751
00:36:40,000 --> 00:36:44,400
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah. He loved being in that seat, just getting

752
00:36:44,440 --> 00:36:46,759
Speaker 2: those phone calls because he was super happy to just

753
00:36:46,840 --> 00:36:50,320
Speaker 2: say anything that he could to keep people from hiring

754
00:36:50,400 --> 00:36:52,080
Speaker 2: us at any moment.

755
00:36:52,560 --> 00:36:55,359
Speaker 1: He called my bosses on white collar when I got

756
00:36:55,360 --> 00:36:56,719
Speaker 1: my job in white collar. They're like, we got a

757
00:36:56,719 --> 00:36:57,480
Speaker 1: weird phone call.

758
00:36:58,040 --> 00:37:02,080
Speaker 6: I'm like, of course, that's exactly how it starts. Interesting

759
00:37:02,120 --> 00:37:04,400
Speaker 6: phone call from your previous employer.

760
00:37:04,560 --> 00:37:07,800
Speaker 5: I'm like, Warner Brothers, what who? Yeah, They're like, well, no,

761
00:37:07,880 --> 00:37:11,120
Speaker 5: it was an individual. I'm like, okay, I know You're like, oh.

762
00:37:10,800 --> 00:37:13,239
Speaker 3: I know who it is. It's also just such an

763
00:37:13,280 --> 00:37:16,440
Speaker 3: odd thing when you really think about it, for someone

764
00:37:16,480 --> 00:37:19,640
Speaker 3: old enough to be our father to be mad that

765
00:37:19,800 --> 00:37:22,719
Speaker 3: girls young enough to be his daughter didn't want to

766
00:37:22,760 --> 00:37:28,719
Speaker 3: have sex with their married married yeah married for as

767
00:37:28,719 --> 00:37:32,719
Speaker 3: long as we've been alive, essentially married. That he would

768
00:37:32,760 --> 00:37:38,560
Speaker 3: then try to ruin people's careers. It's so shocking and

769
00:37:38,600 --> 00:37:44,279
Speaker 3: it's so petty, and you know, I don't know if

770
00:37:44,280 --> 00:37:48,280
Speaker 3: you remember it. Hill, I'm gonna I'm going to lightly

771
00:37:48,320 --> 00:37:50,319
Speaker 3: refer to something that if you want to talk about,

772
00:37:50,360 --> 00:37:53,640
Speaker 3: because it's it's your story. But you know, we have

773
00:37:53,719 --> 00:37:56,719
Speaker 3: that lovely moment Brooke and Peyton have that scene and

774
00:37:57,800 --> 00:38:00,560
Speaker 3: I'm emotional with you and you're really emotional with me,

775
00:38:01,239 --> 00:38:06,880
Speaker 3: and it's such a Oh. It's a moment that I

776
00:38:06,960 --> 00:38:10,560
Speaker 3: really love to watch because it's beautiful and it makes

777
00:38:10,600 --> 00:38:16,160
Speaker 3: me really sad because we were alone in that scene.

778
00:38:16,960 --> 00:38:18,640
Speaker 3: You know, there's a wide cut where there's a bunch

779
00:38:18,640 --> 00:38:20,520
Speaker 3: of people behind us. But what you do with all

780
00:38:20,560 --> 00:38:23,400
Speaker 3: the extras when you know there's people behind them, but

781
00:38:23,440 --> 00:38:25,480
Speaker 3: then the actors face each other in a different direction,

782
00:38:25,600 --> 00:38:27,600
Speaker 3: is the extras go away so that things are quiet

783
00:38:27,640 --> 00:38:32,280
Speaker 3: and it's easy to mix. And we hadn't been alone

784
00:38:32,320 --> 00:38:35,319
Speaker 3: in a while. I don't think you and I in

785
00:38:35,360 --> 00:38:37,480
Speaker 3: a scene like that, if I'm remembering.

786
00:38:37,080 --> 00:38:40,320
Speaker 1: Correctly, not since we were brutally attacked at the prom,

787
00:38:40,600 --> 00:38:41,719
Speaker 1: that's right, And.

788
00:38:43,440 --> 00:38:46,560
Speaker 3: You know, things were really getting as intense as they've

789
00:38:46,600 --> 00:38:48,680
Speaker 3: been that people know about. They were getting worse by

790
00:38:48,719 --> 00:38:54,320
Speaker 3: the end of this season, and there was a moment where,

791
00:38:54,360 --> 00:38:57,719
Speaker 3: in you know, rehearsal, our boss walked up and started

792
00:38:58,200 --> 00:39:01,600
Speaker 3: grabbed us both by the shoulders and started like very

793
00:39:01,600 --> 00:39:06,359
Speaker 3: aggressively rubbing our backs. And I remember freezing up and

794
00:39:06,400 --> 00:39:09,520
Speaker 3: looking at you, and you looked at me, and you

795
00:39:09,680 --> 00:39:15,200
Speaker 3: like you really let him have it. And it was

796
00:39:15,239 --> 00:39:18,560
Speaker 3: a moment where like I saw the shock on his

797
00:39:18,680 --> 00:39:23,080
Speaker 3: face that you snapped at him, and I remember finally

798
00:39:23,120 --> 00:39:25,200
Speaker 3: feeling like I could take a deep breath because like

799
00:39:25,280 --> 00:39:27,480
Speaker 3: somebody else had seen it and it was happening to somebody,

800
00:39:27,640 --> 00:39:30,560
Speaker 3: Like it wasn't an isolated incident, And it was a

801
00:39:30,600 --> 00:39:34,279
Speaker 3: moment where when you think about all the stories he

802
00:39:34,400 --> 00:39:37,600
Speaker 3: liked to tell about all the girls where being in

803
00:39:37,640 --> 00:39:41,040
Speaker 3: the room and seeing your reaction, I went, oh, a

804
00:39:41,080 --> 00:39:43,160
Speaker 3: bunch of the shit that we're all being told about

805
00:39:43,160 --> 00:39:47,839
Speaker 3: each other just isn't true. Yeah, got it, got it,

806
00:39:48,520 --> 00:39:52,400
Speaker 3: And it was. It was. It was a big, big moment,

807
00:39:52,440 --> 00:39:53,600
Speaker 3: and I've never forgotten it.

808
00:39:54,400 --> 00:39:59,320
Speaker 1: Well it He had crafted this episode as his fantasy,

809
00:40:00,000 --> 00:40:04,640
Speaker 1: which is why Elizabeth is in a little leather skirt,

810
00:40:04,920 --> 00:40:08,239
Speaker 1: and it's why Rachel's back, and it's why we're all

811
00:40:08,280 --> 00:40:12,040
Speaker 1: doing a dance routine. And it's why Peyton is saying, oh,

812
00:40:12,080 --> 00:40:14,080
Speaker 1: I just love sex so much, you know. It's why

813
00:40:14,160 --> 00:40:16,440
Speaker 1: I had to make that line sound really stupid and goofy,

814
00:40:16,480 --> 00:40:19,200
Speaker 1: because it wasn't scripted to be stupid and goofy. What

815
00:40:19,360 --> 00:40:22,880
Speaker 1: was the line? Peyton, you know, is talking to clean

816
00:40:22,920 --> 00:40:26,040
Speaker 1: teen Shelley and she's like, oh, no, I think it's cool.

817
00:40:26,080 --> 00:40:28,440
Speaker 1: I would have joined your group except I love sex

818
00:40:28,480 --> 00:40:32,120
Speaker 1: so much, you know, And it wasn't scripted to be

819
00:40:32,640 --> 00:40:35,960
Speaker 1: like goofy, and I was directed to do it, not goofy,

820
00:40:36,000 --> 00:40:39,040
Speaker 1: And I was like, no, no, I mean, you can

821
00:40:39,160 --> 00:40:42,640
Speaker 1: tell the episode is a fantasy. And he made us

822
00:40:42,640 --> 00:40:46,319
Speaker 1: all take group photos with him in that house. He

823
00:40:46,480 --> 00:40:49,600
Speaker 1: came up to our dance rehearsals. We were doing dance

824
00:40:49,640 --> 00:40:51,759
Speaker 1: rehearsals in the second story of the house while they

825
00:40:51,760 --> 00:40:54,799
Speaker 1: would set up cameras and stuff. Yeah, and he would

826
00:40:54,880 --> 00:41:01,040
Speaker 1: not stop touching people, and it was relentless. I knew

827
00:41:01,080 --> 00:41:02,920
Speaker 1: it was happening to me. I'm watching it happen to

828
00:41:03,160 --> 00:41:04,480
Speaker 1: Danil and Elizabeth. You.

829
00:41:04,560 --> 00:41:05,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, like he's.

830
00:41:05,160 --> 00:41:11,400
Speaker 1: Touching everybody, touching Lassetter, touching everybody, and so so you know,

831
00:41:11,480 --> 00:41:13,480
Speaker 1: to your point, he came up and was like rubbing

832
00:41:13,480 --> 00:41:18,280
Speaker 1: our shoulders and I said, stop touching the girls, dude, stop,

833
00:41:18,880 --> 00:41:22,920
Speaker 1: I'm telling you, as your friend, stop touching the girls.

834
00:41:23,880 --> 00:41:29,040
Speaker 1: And like I looked at you and it felt like

835
00:41:29,560 --> 00:41:32,000
Speaker 1: it felt like telling the truth for the first time.

836
00:41:32,920 --> 00:41:35,160
Speaker 1: You know. It's like when you speak back to your

837
00:41:35,920 --> 00:41:39,080
Speaker 1: father figure or your boyfriend for the first time in

838
00:41:39,120 --> 00:41:41,799
Speaker 1: front of people. You know, it's like, how dare you

839
00:41:41,920 --> 00:41:43,320
Speaker 1: air our dirty laundry?

840
00:41:43,800 --> 00:41:44,000
Speaker 5: You know?

841
00:41:44,920 --> 00:41:48,879
Speaker 1: And so that was the Friday night of that week

842
00:41:48,920 --> 00:41:50,279
Speaker 1: that we shot at the house. It was the last

843
00:41:50,360 --> 00:41:52,560
Speaker 1: day we were there, and so I went to the

844
00:41:52,560 --> 00:41:55,239
Speaker 1: production office at dawn the same way I always did

845
00:41:55,239 --> 00:41:59,319
Speaker 1: because my boyfriend was an assistant director, and you know,

846
00:41:59,719 --> 00:42:03,040
Speaker 1: our secutive producers are all there, Greg Prange, David Hartley,

847
00:42:03,120 --> 00:42:06,320
Speaker 1: the entire AD staff, My brother's there. Like everyone is

848
00:42:06,360 --> 00:42:09,680
Speaker 1: in the production office drinking PBRs and it's like awesome,

849
00:42:09,760 --> 00:42:14,120
Speaker 1: all right, rap party is you know in twelve hours whatever?

850
00:42:15,800 --> 00:42:19,440
Speaker 1: And I get you know, somebody came to the AD's

851
00:42:19,480 --> 00:42:22,920
Speaker 1: door and said, our boss want to it in his

852
00:42:23,000 --> 00:42:26,640
Speaker 1: office right now, and this is why he spread the

853
00:42:26,719 --> 00:42:32,919
Speaker 1: Koch roomer. I had to go in there, and he

854
00:42:33,080 --> 00:42:37,920
Speaker 1: just launched into me. How dare you. Don't you ever

855
00:42:38,040 --> 00:42:39,960
Speaker 1: speak to me that way in front of people? What

856
00:42:40,000 --> 00:42:42,160
Speaker 1: the hell are you talking about? I don't touch anybody.

857
00:42:42,400 --> 00:42:45,040
Speaker 1: I don't touch anybody here. You're spreading rumors about me

858
00:42:45,480 --> 00:42:50,360
Speaker 1: and just completely like was gaslighting me. I'm like, I'm like, dude,

859
00:42:50,760 --> 00:42:53,360
Speaker 1: I'm friends with your wife. Like I'm telling you you

860
00:42:53,520 --> 00:42:56,480
Speaker 1: have to stop. And he said, I'll never forget it.

861
00:42:57,080 --> 00:43:01,600
Speaker 1: He said, you think we're friends your friend, I'm your

862
00:43:01,719 --> 00:43:05,160
Speaker 1: boss and don't you ever speak to me that way again.

863
00:43:05,760 --> 00:43:08,319
Speaker 1: And he's screaming at me. And those walls in the

864
00:43:08,320 --> 00:43:12,759
Speaker 1: production office are paper wow. Yeah yeah, And I remember like,

865
00:43:13,640 --> 00:43:17,480
Speaker 1: my brother, my boyfriend, my boyfriend's dad are all on

866
00:43:17,560 --> 00:43:21,160
Speaker 1: the other side of these paper thin walls. And no

867
00:43:21,200 --> 00:43:25,840
Speaker 1: one came, yeah, like, no one came. And so finally,

868
00:43:26,200 --> 00:43:29,720
Speaker 1: finally Greg Prange came in and was like, here's everything

869
00:43:29,760 --> 00:43:34,320
Speaker 1: okay in here, And so you know, cut to years later,

870
00:43:34,440 --> 00:43:37,520
Speaker 1: the night that Daniel introduces me to my now husband.

871
00:43:38,480 --> 00:43:42,160
Speaker 1: We're in Timmy Nolan's Irish Bob and I didn't know

872
00:43:42,280 --> 00:43:46,200
Speaker 1: Jeff from Adam, like I never met this person, and

873
00:43:46,320 --> 00:43:49,440
Speaker 1: Jeff he leans over at one point he's like, hey,

874
00:43:49,880 --> 00:43:52,080
Speaker 1: are you getting screwed with with your boss, you know,

875
00:43:52,120 --> 00:43:54,680
Speaker 1: the same way Daniel is. And I was like, yeah,

876
00:43:54,719 --> 00:43:57,120
Speaker 1: I'm not going back, I'm done, and he was like,

877
00:43:57,600 --> 00:44:00,120
Speaker 1: I'm gonna kick that guy's ass. And it was the

878
00:44:00,120 --> 00:44:02,839
Speaker 1: first person in my whole life who had ever said it,

879
00:44:03,239 --> 00:44:09,239
Speaker 1: and I believed it, and I still believe it, I know, yeah, yeah,

880
00:44:09,280 --> 00:44:12,200
Speaker 1: it was just for so many years, when you're the

881
00:44:12,280 --> 00:44:15,360
Speaker 1: loud girl, you're just kind of expected to fend for yourself,

882
00:44:15,680 --> 00:44:17,359
Speaker 1: and that was the first person that was ever like,

883
00:44:17,520 --> 00:44:20,440
Speaker 1: oh no, I'll destroy that guy. Hold on, let me

884
00:44:20,480 --> 00:44:23,960
Speaker 1: go to it right now. But that moment of clarity

885
00:44:24,000 --> 00:44:26,480
Speaker 1: with you that night. I cried when we watched it

886
00:44:27,360 --> 00:44:29,799
Speaker 1: because I felt like it was the first time you

887
00:44:29,840 --> 00:44:33,360
Speaker 1: really knew who I was. You knew that I wasn't

888
00:44:33,480 --> 00:44:34,000
Speaker 1: his girl.

889
00:44:34,560 --> 00:44:38,319
Speaker 3: Yeah, well, you know what was really interesting. And I

890
00:44:38,360 --> 00:44:40,719
Speaker 3: have chills listening to you talk about what he said

891
00:44:40,760 --> 00:44:43,799
Speaker 3: to you that night because and we talked about this

892
00:44:43,840 --> 00:44:45,960
Speaker 3: in the beginning of the show, but early on Red

893
00:44:46,000 --> 00:44:49,440
Speaker 3: Dress episode for me, when groped me on set and

894
00:44:49,480 --> 00:44:52,480
Speaker 3: I hit him just like reflexively, like it was a

895
00:44:52,520 --> 00:44:54,960
Speaker 3: reflex I got groped by a man and I hit him.

896
00:44:56,680 --> 00:44:59,680
Speaker 3: That's when I got it, but what scared him because

897
00:44:59,719 --> 00:45:01,799
Speaker 3: it was so early that he wasn't like in his

898
00:45:01,960 --> 00:45:04,920
Speaker 3: power as a successful TV creator. Yet he went back

899
00:45:04,960 --> 00:45:07,319
Speaker 3: to the production office and he was screaming at Mike

900
00:45:07,360 --> 00:45:09,360
Speaker 3: and a bunch of the writers, telling them what a

901
00:45:09,400 --> 00:45:12,560
Speaker 3: bitch I was. And I will never forget it. Took

902
00:45:12,600 --> 00:45:15,160
Speaker 3: till the end of season eight for our sweet writer

903
00:45:15,280 --> 00:45:17,040
Speaker 3: Mike Caro to tell me what had said to him,

904
00:45:17,040 --> 00:45:20,200
Speaker 3: because he had been so scared getting screamed at in

905
00:45:20,239 --> 00:45:23,560
Speaker 3: the production office in LA and because he was an

906
00:45:23,600 --> 00:45:26,000
Speaker 3: intern or like a writer's assistant back then, and we

907
00:45:26,120 --> 00:45:28,960
Speaker 3: got home, he was yelling about what an entitled little

908
00:45:29,080 --> 00:45:33,359
Speaker 3: bitch I was, and all the writers were pretty freaked out,

909
00:45:33,360 --> 00:45:35,160
Speaker 3: and Mike Caro said, I tried to crack a joke,

910
00:45:35,200 --> 00:45:36,799
Speaker 3: and I said, well, maybe she's just a twenty one

911
00:45:36,840 --> 00:45:38,600
Speaker 3: year old girl who thinks she's entitled not to get

912
00:45:38,600 --> 00:45:42,520
Speaker 3: her ass grabbed by her boss. And he screamed at

913
00:45:42,560 --> 00:45:44,759
Speaker 3: Harrow and said, who the fuck do you think you

914
00:45:44,840 --> 00:45:47,400
Speaker 3: are You're going to say that I did that. I

915
00:45:47,440 --> 00:45:50,520
Speaker 3: didn't do anything, and yelled at him and threatened his

916
00:45:50,600 --> 00:45:52,120
Speaker 3: job and told him if he liked working there, he

917
00:45:52,160 --> 00:45:54,520
Speaker 3: better never talked to him that way again. So it's

918
00:45:54,520 --> 00:45:56,239
Speaker 3: all the same. It's the same mo.

919
00:45:57,160 --> 00:45:57,359
Speaker 5: Yeah.

920
00:45:57,400 --> 00:46:00,279
Speaker 1: I mean, what's the clinical diagnosis of that when you

921
00:46:00,600 --> 00:46:04,360
Speaker 1: clearly see someone do something and then they're like, never happened. Yeah.

922
00:46:04,400 --> 00:46:07,880
Speaker 3: But the thing is, our boss knew he fed up

923
00:46:07,920 --> 00:46:10,520
Speaker 3: with me, and so he did a lot of work

924
00:46:10,520 --> 00:46:12,839
Speaker 3: with you guys to make me the bad guy.

925
00:46:13,080 --> 00:46:13,640
Speaker 1: Yeah.

926
00:46:13,640 --> 00:46:17,680
Speaker 3: And he punished me on camera with things I had

927
00:46:17,680 --> 00:46:20,400
Speaker 3: to do with story arcs that he gave to me.

928
00:46:20,840 --> 00:46:23,960
Speaker 3: He punished me in the public, like he put me

929
00:46:24,000 --> 00:46:27,880
Speaker 3: through the wringer with the press, and he punished you

930
00:46:28,719 --> 00:46:32,800
Speaker 3: on our set. He spread rumors about you. He wanted

931
00:46:32,800 --> 00:46:35,319
Speaker 3: all of us to think, oh, she's a problem, Oh

932
00:46:36,239 --> 00:46:38,800
Speaker 3: she's got a weird relationship with fill in the blank.

933
00:46:39,200 --> 00:46:39,520
Speaker 2: Yeah.

934
00:46:39,560 --> 00:46:43,800
Speaker 3: And the thing that happened that night, like I literally

935
00:46:44,200 --> 00:46:48,320
Speaker 3: it feels like it again, Like it was like a jolt,

936
00:46:48,400 --> 00:46:51,520
Speaker 3: Like I felt like I got struck by lightning because

937
00:46:51,560 --> 00:46:55,960
Speaker 3: I watched him say something to you and do something

938
00:46:56,000 --> 00:46:58,680
Speaker 3: to you, and it was exactly something he'd done to me.

939
00:47:00,040 --> 00:47:03,120
Speaker 3: And I saw the look on his face and how

940
00:47:03,160 --> 00:47:05,520
Speaker 3: mad he was, and I'd seen that look before, and

941
00:47:05,560 --> 00:47:11,040
Speaker 3: I just went, oh, oh, he does this with all

942
00:47:11,080 --> 00:47:17,360
Speaker 3: of us, Oh wow, and it did. It really changed.

943
00:47:17,480 --> 00:47:21,440
Speaker 3: It changed everything and the ways that we had been

944
00:47:21,480 --> 00:47:25,440
Speaker 3: manipulated and the ways we had been separated, like it

945
00:47:25,480 --> 00:47:27,279
Speaker 3: all started to change after that night.

946
00:47:28,160 --> 00:47:31,600
Speaker 1: It was never good again for me. Like I have

947
00:47:31,719 --> 00:47:34,719
Speaker 1: struggled in this week leading up to this recording because

948
00:47:34,719 --> 00:47:37,360
Speaker 1: I'm like, do I is this healthy for me to

949
00:47:37,480 --> 00:47:42,200
Speaker 1: like keep digging into this stuff. And what I struggled

950
00:47:42,239 --> 00:47:44,640
Speaker 1: with was there's an actress who was on our show

951
00:47:45,880 --> 00:47:51,240
Speaker 1: who I recently touched base with, and she was quieter

952
00:47:51,360 --> 00:47:55,239
Speaker 1: during all the me too stuff, and she said, I'm

953
00:47:55,239 --> 00:47:59,719
Speaker 1: always scared that he's ghostwriting. I'm scared because he was

954
00:47:59,760 --> 00:48:03,400
Speaker 1: never held accountable because the executive producers of our show

955
00:48:03,560 --> 00:48:07,560
Speaker 1: never like publicly said we won't do business with him anymore.

956
00:48:07,600 --> 00:48:09,840
Speaker 1: We're so sorry to you girls, like, because there was

957
00:48:10,080 --> 00:48:14,839
Speaker 1: never any kind of closure. Someone is giving him ghostwriting

958
00:48:14,880 --> 00:48:17,360
Speaker 1: work somewhere, and there's this fear that we're going to

959
00:48:17,400 --> 00:48:19,799
Speaker 1: walk onto a set one day and be confronted with that,

960
00:48:21,320 --> 00:48:23,680
Speaker 1: and it's you know, it's the boogeyman in the closet,

961
00:48:23,800 --> 00:48:26,200
Speaker 1: and so you know, to talk about it over and

962
00:48:26,239 --> 00:48:30,480
Speaker 1: over again. It's just like I am making the commitment

963
00:48:30,719 --> 00:48:33,919
Speaker 1: to continue talking about it so that other showrunners don't

964
00:48:33,960 --> 00:48:38,279
Speaker 1: operate that way, and so that he's got no he's

965
00:48:38,280 --> 00:48:41,640
Speaker 1: got no safe passage. Yeah, you know.

966
00:48:42,160 --> 00:48:44,719
Speaker 3: I also think, look, I get the mission of it,

967
00:48:45,120 --> 00:48:47,399
Speaker 3: and I think that's really important for all of us.

968
00:48:47,880 --> 00:48:49,759
Speaker 3: I know that the things we've gone through on sets

969
00:48:49,800 --> 00:48:52,440
Speaker 3: have activated us all and made us the advocates we

970
00:48:52,480 --> 00:48:54,879
Speaker 3: are in a lot of ways. And I think it's

971
00:48:54,920 --> 00:48:58,000
Speaker 3: also really important. Like I've been talking about this with

972
00:48:58,040 --> 00:49:00,200
Speaker 3: my therapist a lot, because these last few weeks brought

973
00:49:00,280 --> 00:49:02,680
Speaker 3: up a lot of I know, for us as a group.

974
00:49:03,640 --> 00:49:06,560
Speaker 3: And he just keeps saying to me, this is your story.

975
00:49:06,640 --> 00:49:08,520
Speaker 3: You get to talk about your story. You get to

976
00:49:08,520 --> 00:49:11,440
Speaker 3: tell your story, you get to process your story, you

977
00:49:11,480 --> 00:49:13,920
Speaker 3: get to need help with your story for as long

978
00:49:13,960 --> 00:49:16,759
Speaker 3: as you need it. And if other people didn't want

979
00:49:16,800 --> 00:49:20,840
Speaker 3: you to tell your story, maybe they shouldn't have forced

980
00:49:20,840 --> 00:49:25,320
Speaker 3: it to be written this way. And you know, it's

981
00:49:25,480 --> 00:49:29,440
Speaker 3: hard to look at it because you know what you

982
00:49:29,560 --> 00:49:32,160
Speaker 3: experienced that night, the way you got yelled at. It's

983
00:49:32,200 --> 00:49:35,759
Speaker 3: exactly this I was dealing with in Chicago and also

984
00:49:35,840 --> 00:49:37,239
Speaker 3: had a group of men who were like, I love

985
00:49:37,280 --> 00:49:39,240
Speaker 3: you so much, You're our best friend.

986
00:49:39,480 --> 00:49:42,560
Speaker 1: You're on your own kid, never got.

987
00:49:42,320 --> 00:49:45,600
Speaker 3: Involved and never stood up. And and I know some

988
00:49:45,680 --> 00:49:47,680
Speaker 3: of them are mad that I acknowledge that when we

989
00:49:47,719 --> 00:49:49,920
Speaker 3: talk about this show as well, And you know what,

990
00:49:50,160 --> 00:49:53,840
Speaker 3: I don't care because that fear that I'm going to

991
00:49:53,920 --> 00:49:56,000
Speaker 3: keep talking about it better be what makes you behave

992
00:49:56,080 --> 00:49:59,120
Speaker 3: better on every set you're on, like from the time

993
00:49:59,160 --> 00:50:01,719
Speaker 3: that you left North Carolina, and from the time that

994
00:50:01,760 --> 00:50:04,960
Speaker 3: I left Illinois, like, they better behave better. They better

995
00:50:05,000 --> 00:50:07,960
Speaker 3: be a little afraid, be a little I do be

996
00:50:08,080 --> 00:50:08,840
Speaker 3: a little afraid.

997
00:50:09,080 --> 00:50:12,520
Speaker 1: The piece of poetic justice here is that he crafted

998
00:50:12,520 --> 00:50:15,920
Speaker 1: his ultimate fantasy. He's like, I'm gonna have all the

999
00:50:15,960 --> 00:50:18,719
Speaker 1: girls all at the same time, and they're all going

1000
00:50:18,800 --> 00:50:21,840
Speaker 1: to be slightly slutty and dance for me. And it

1001
00:50:21,920 --> 00:50:27,200
Speaker 1: imploded so spectacularly. You put all of us in the

1002
00:50:27,239 --> 00:50:28,640
Speaker 1: same room to compare notes.

1003
00:50:28,840 --> 00:50:32,440
Speaker 2: Man, I went through a lot of man version of

1004
00:50:32,440 --> 00:50:34,640
Speaker 2: that in the you know, the group that I was

1005
00:50:34,640 --> 00:50:37,080
Speaker 2: in while we were on the show, and a lot

1006
00:50:37,120 --> 00:50:43,320
Speaker 2: of this, you know, the same sort of patriarchal sociopathy,

1007
00:50:43,600 --> 00:50:48,359
Speaker 2: I guess. And as I'm listening to you guys talk

1008
00:50:48,400 --> 00:50:50,239
Speaker 2: and I'm thinking about my own journey, you know, one

1009
00:50:50,239 --> 00:50:52,719
Speaker 2: of the things that makes that kind of abuse so

1010
00:50:55,120 --> 00:50:59,520
Speaker 2: hard to heal from is that it and for me,

1011
00:50:59,680 --> 00:51:02,200
Speaker 2: I mean I can only speak for myself. It has

1012
00:51:02,239 --> 00:51:09,600
Speaker 2: made it so hard for me to grow, because growth

1013
00:51:09,640 --> 00:51:13,200
Speaker 2: requires trusting in the people around you. Like if I'm

1014
00:51:13,360 --> 00:51:16,839
Speaker 2: constantly being told I'm a problem, I'm the problem, I'm

1015
00:51:16,840 --> 00:51:18,520
Speaker 2: the problem. And I was being told that on the set,

1016
00:51:18,560 --> 00:51:20,640
Speaker 2: I was being told that, in the group that I

1017
00:51:20,680 --> 00:51:22,200
Speaker 2: was in, I was being told that in my marriage.

1018
00:51:22,239 --> 00:51:24,680
Speaker 2: It was like everywhere, I'm the problem, I'm the problem.

1019
00:51:25,040 --> 00:51:28,319
Speaker 2: Then I get out and it's I'm in therapy and

1020
00:51:28,360 --> 00:51:31,520
Speaker 2: I've got good friends, and suddenly, like my life starts

1021
00:51:31,520 --> 00:51:34,040
Speaker 2: turning around and I'm going and everybody's telling me, you

1022
00:51:34,080 --> 00:51:36,000
Speaker 2: do it. You're not the problem. I mean, you're not perfect,

1023
00:51:36,000 --> 00:51:38,919
Speaker 2: but like, you're not this is fake. This was all

1024
00:51:38,960 --> 00:51:43,839
Speaker 2: like an attempt to control you. And so then I

1025
00:51:43,880 --> 00:51:45,759
Speaker 2: start going, oh, okay, I'm not the problem, I'm not

1026
00:51:45,840 --> 00:51:48,960
Speaker 2: the problem. But then that becomes my narrative, so that

1027
00:51:49,080 --> 00:51:52,600
Speaker 2: whenever there is a moment in life when I actually

1028
00:51:52,680 --> 00:51:56,759
Speaker 2: do need to grow, it's really hard to recognize it

1029
00:51:57,239 --> 00:52:00,000
Speaker 2: and not go back into the default of like, no, no,

1030
00:52:00,040 --> 00:52:03,399
Speaker 2: I'm not the problem. You weren't there. The proof is here,

1031
00:52:03,440 --> 00:52:06,600
Speaker 2: I'm not it's not me. It's not me, Like that's

1032
00:52:06,600 --> 00:52:09,880
Speaker 2: my knee jerk reaction. And it's just it's like painstakingly

1033
00:52:09,960 --> 00:52:14,440
Speaker 2: slow now with growth because it's so hard to trust,

1034
00:52:15,120 --> 00:52:18,200
Speaker 2: to know who you can trust when they're when someone

1035
00:52:18,280 --> 00:52:22,040
Speaker 2: does lovingly tell you, hey, you know this is the best.

1036
00:52:22,200 --> 00:52:24,719
Speaker 3: It's part of the journey of healing too, to recognize

1037
00:52:24,719 --> 00:52:27,839
Speaker 3: what your triggers are. Like I've had to learn where

1038
00:52:27,880 --> 00:52:30,399
Speaker 3: I throw my fists up, I'm ready for a fucking fight,

1039
00:52:30,640 --> 00:52:33,880
Speaker 3: like I'm ready all the time, and I've had to

1040
00:52:34,040 --> 00:52:40,680
Speaker 3: learn how to deal with that trauma and go, okay,

1041
00:52:40,719 --> 00:52:44,200
Speaker 3: if we're dealing with this sort of complex after effect,

1042
00:52:44,920 --> 00:52:48,640
Speaker 3: and my knee jerk reaction when I feel poked is

1043
00:52:48,680 --> 00:52:51,279
Speaker 3: to get ready to throw a punch, how do I

1044
00:52:51,440 --> 00:52:54,279
Speaker 3: take a deep breath and give myself a second? Yeah,

1045
00:52:54,320 --> 00:52:58,480
Speaker 3: And it really struck me, Like, you know, we're all

1046
00:52:58,520 --> 00:53:01,319
Speaker 3: able to talk about this as adult, but one of

1047
00:53:01,360 --> 00:53:05,040
Speaker 3: the things that struck me watching the episode, and that

1048
00:53:05,040 --> 00:53:07,879
Speaker 3: that strikes me even now is like you had been

1049
00:53:07,880 --> 00:53:10,720
Speaker 3: through such shit with him, Danil, and you got asked

1050
00:53:10,760 --> 00:53:16,279
Speaker 3: back and I'm only really realizing now, Like God, you

1051
00:53:16,520 --> 00:53:18,560
Speaker 3: like you came back and we got to have that moment,

1052
00:53:18,600 --> 00:53:21,759
Speaker 3: all of us girls have that closure together, and you

1053
00:53:21,840 --> 00:53:24,520
Speaker 3: came right back into an environment where you had been

1054
00:53:25,040 --> 00:53:27,520
Speaker 3: just like Joy's talking about it's you, it's you, it's you,

1055
00:53:27,600 --> 00:53:33,319
Speaker 3: it's you. You'd gotten so on on our set, and

1056
00:53:33,440 --> 00:53:36,440
Speaker 3: like it just makes me cry, and I'm like, you

1057
00:53:36,520 --> 00:53:37,799
Speaker 3: came back froms like.

1058
00:53:38,040 --> 00:53:40,680
Speaker 6: I came back to see you guys. And I think

1059
00:53:40,760 --> 00:53:44,520
Speaker 6: the irony of all of that was when I got there,

1060
00:53:45,600 --> 00:53:48,000
Speaker 6: and I've been thinking about, like do I bring this up?

1061
00:53:48,160 --> 00:53:49,239
Speaker 5: How do I bring it up?

1062
00:53:49,320 --> 00:53:52,479
Speaker 6: Because it's it's it's a delicate situation. And I think

1063
00:53:53,640 --> 00:53:55,960
Speaker 6: the gist of what happened on that episode to me

1064
00:53:57,920 --> 00:54:03,200
Speaker 6: was the night we did the dance, Bevin came to

1065
00:54:03,280 --> 00:54:09,040
Speaker 6: my trailer and she was furious with me, furious with

1066
00:54:09,080 --> 00:54:12,440
Speaker 6: me and would not speak to me and was just like,

1067
00:54:12,840 --> 00:54:16,359
Speaker 6: I know what you did, and you're it's so fun

1068
00:54:16,400 --> 00:54:19,880
Speaker 6: and Bevin if you and she like she's my sister,

1069
00:54:21,200 --> 00:54:22,439
Speaker 6: Bevin does not get mad.

1070
00:54:22,760 --> 00:54:26,400
Speaker 1: Noah, Bevin will condone anything anything.

1071
00:54:26,680 --> 00:54:30,359
Speaker 6: She is like not judge, she never gets and so

1072
00:54:30,640 --> 00:54:33,440
Speaker 6: I was just like and I literally had no idea

1073
00:54:33,480 --> 00:54:35,680
Speaker 6: what I did. So I was like in the middle

1074
00:54:35,719 --> 00:54:38,520
Speaker 6: of like seeing all my friends and being back in

1075
00:54:38,600 --> 00:54:43,319
Speaker 6: this mPire and so happy, and and then she comes

1076
00:54:43,320 --> 00:54:45,960
Speaker 6: in and I was like, is this like a joke.

1077
00:54:46,040 --> 00:54:47,880
Speaker 6: This is a joke. This is like some sort of

1078
00:54:47,920 --> 00:54:49,920
Speaker 6: like practical joke here.

1079
00:54:50,760 --> 00:54:54,600
Speaker 5: And she was like, no, Danielle, like it's really fucked up.

1080
00:54:56,160 --> 00:54:57,440
Speaker 5: And she walked out, whoa.

1081
00:54:58,200 --> 00:55:02,319
Speaker 6: And it was something and with what it was is

1082
00:55:02,360 --> 00:55:06,200
Speaker 6: not important, but it was something he told her I

1083
00:55:06,280 --> 00:55:09,560
Speaker 6: did that I didn't do. He brought me back there

1084
00:55:10,400 --> 00:55:15,240
Speaker 6: to alienate me from Bevin, who I was very close

1085
00:55:15,280 --> 00:55:16,520
Speaker 6: to and.

1086
00:55:18,360 --> 00:55:19,080
Speaker 1: You know she was.

1087
00:55:20,000 --> 00:55:22,279
Speaker 6: And we came to find out, of course, as we

1088
00:55:22,400 --> 00:55:27,760
Speaker 6: all did, you know months later, like once we're back home,

1089
00:55:28,120 --> 00:55:32,640
Speaker 6: Oh you didn't do that, because he had such an

1090
00:55:32,760 --> 00:55:35,520
Speaker 6: excellent way of pitting us all against each other, and

1091
00:55:35,600 --> 00:55:39,200
Speaker 6: at that particular point she was close to him.

1092
00:55:39,840 --> 00:55:42,319
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, she cycled in and we cycled out.

1093
00:55:42,440 --> 00:55:44,399
Speaker 5: Yes, we had all had it.

1094
00:55:44,520 --> 00:55:47,960
Speaker 6: I mean, I was like, I'll come and play, but

1095
00:55:48,040 --> 00:55:49,520
Speaker 6: it's to see my friends.

1096
00:55:50,040 --> 00:55:52,520
Speaker 1: Well, and we did huddle up like we like. It

1097
00:55:52,560 --> 00:55:55,160
Speaker 1: was the don't go to the bathroom by yourself kind

1098
00:55:55,160 --> 00:55:56,640
Speaker 1: of situation.

1099
00:55:56,440 --> 00:55:59,200
Speaker 6: And I was And so when that happened, that was

1100
00:55:59,239 --> 00:56:01,799
Speaker 6: the night of the dance, and I just like, I'll

1101
00:56:01,840 --> 00:56:05,279
Speaker 6: never forget it, because like there was nothing I could

1102
00:56:05,320 --> 00:56:06,400
Speaker 6: do to convince.

1103
00:56:06,000 --> 00:56:06,560
Speaker 5: Her that day.

1104
00:56:07,120 --> 00:56:12,480
Speaker 6: And eventually I did because we got together and figured out.

1105
00:56:12,320 --> 00:56:14,320
Speaker 5: Where it came from.

1106
00:56:15,200 --> 00:56:18,279
Speaker 6: And then we both got really mad at the right

1107
00:56:18,320 --> 00:56:21,720
Speaker 6: place and pointed our anger at the right place.

1108
00:56:22,239 --> 00:56:26,320
Speaker 5: But that's just another example of like what happens.

1109
00:56:26,400 --> 00:56:28,719
Speaker 6: And so when I watched the whole episode for me

1110
00:56:29,040 --> 00:56:32,800
Speaker 6: is that because it was just like, oh my gosh,

1111
00:56:32,840 --> 00:56:33,759
Speaker 6: are you kidding me?

1112
00:56:35,480 --> 00:56:37,120
Speaker 5: You brought me back to do this to me?

1113
00:56:37,320 --> 00:56:40,520
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, no, I'm gonna humiliate you. Yeah, you thought

1114
00:56:40,560 --> 00:56:41,320
Speaker 1: you could get away.

1115
00:56:41,960 --> 00:56:44,440
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's a methodology of control. It's exactly what you

1116
00:56:44,480 --> 00:56:48,640
Speaker 3: were just saying, joy about your other experience. It's let

1117
00:56:48,680 --> 00:56:51,600
Speaker 3: me figure out a way to isolate you as much

1118
00:56:51,640 --> 00:56:54,160
Speaker 3: as possible. And if that's your safe person, I'm going

1119
00:56:54,239 --> 00:56:54,839
Speaker 3: to ruin it.

1120
00:56:55,040 --> 00:56:55,279
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1121
00:56:55,360 --> 00:56:57,440
Speaker 3: Right, So you have to come to me, so you

1122
00:56:57,440 --> 00:56:59,360
Speaker 3: have to keep coming back to me so I can

1123
00:56:59,480 --> 00:57:01,840
Speaker 3: keep telling you who you are and who you aren't.

1124
00:57:02,280 --> 00:57:03,000
Speaker 3: And it is.

1125
00:57:03,480 --> 00:57:07,360
Speaker 6: Dark before we figured out that's where it came from.

1126
00:57:07,480 --> 00:57:09,520
Speaker 6: That was he was the first person that came to

1127
00:57:09,600 --> 00:57:12,399
Speaker 6: be like, is everything Okay, I'm like, did.

1128
00:57:12,360 --> 00:57:13,280
Speaker 1: You rub your shoulders?

1129
00:57:14,000 --> 00:57:14,359
Speaker 5: I don't.

1130
00:57:14,600 --> 00:57:17,040
Speaker 6: I don't know, but I do remember, and I was like, no,

1131
00:57:17,160 --> 00:57:20,200
Speaker 6: it's not okay, and like I can't believe this is

1132
00:57:20,200 --> 00:57:25,440
Speaker 6: happening to me, you know, Like it's just that that

1133
00:57:25,520 --> 00:57:29,080
Speaker 6: episode was aside from all the wonderful things, it was

1134
00:57:29,160 --> 00:57:32,280
Speaker 6: dark because of that, you know, it was like there

1135
00:57:32,360 --> 00:57:34,400
Speaker 6: was an elephant in the room for me.

1136
00:57:35,320 --> 00:57:45,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, guys, when I tell you, I haven't slept the

1137
00:57:45,920 --> 00:57:47,840
Speaker 1: two days leading up to doing this episode because it

1138
00:57:48,320 --> 00:57:51,280
Speaker 1: was like it was so shy, and I'm like, I

1139
00:57:51,280 --> 00:57:53,560
Speaker 1: can't keep telling the story. I can't keep reading the

1140
00:57:53,640 --> 00:57:57,160
Speaker 1: fucking clickbait, you know, like because it starts off as

1141
00:57:57,160 --> 00:57:59,520
Speaker 1: one article that's actually like really nice and fair, and

1142
00:57:59,520 --> 00:58:03,640
Speaker 1: then it gets boiled down to just gross headlines that

1143
00:58:03,920 --> 00:58:08,600
Speaker 1: live forever on the internet. And I am like, I

1144
00:58:08,600 --> 00:58:12,880
Speaker 1: can't keep talking about this stuff. But until there's some

1145
00:58:13,080 --> 00:58:17,400
Speaker 1: kind of change in our industry, I don't know how

1146
00:58:17,440 --> 00:58:20,840
Speaker 1: we stop. The only reason that we made it out

1147
00:58:21,080 --> 00:58:23,760
Speaker 1: is because we had each other, you know, and we

1148
00:58:23,840 --> 00:58:27,560
Speaker 1: made we had good families, and we made the choices,

1149
00:58:27,880 --> 00:58:28,240
Speaker 1: you know.

1150
00:58:28,680 --> 00:58:30,560
Speaker 2: But we still made it out with scars all over

1151
00:58:30,600 --> 00:58:31,480
Speaker 2: our careers too.

1152
00:58:32,040 --> 00:58:33,800
Speaker 5: Oh my god, yep.

1153
00:58:33,960 --> 00:58:37,680
Speaker 3: Yeah. Well, I mean it's also really interesting how the

1154
00:58:37,680 --> 00:58:39,960
Speaker 3: onus is always put on the girls. Well what happened

1155
00:58:39,960 --> 00:58:42,840
Speaker 3: to her? Well, why'd that happen to you? You know,

1156
00:58:42,960 --> 00:58:47,040
Speaker 3: I've had multiple people say to me when we got together,

1157
00:58:47,560 --> 00:58:49,160
Speaker 3: and I know you know this, Hillary. I don't know

1158
00:58:49,200 --> 00:58:51,680
Speaker 3: that the other two of you guys know this because

1159
00:58:52,200 --> 00:58:53,960
Speaker 3: you were one of the people I called freaking out

1160
00:58:53,960 --> 00:58:57,640
Speaker 3: when it was told to me. But when the whole

1161
00:58:57,680 --> 00:58:59,640
Speaker 3: gang of us got together to write our letter about

1162
00:58:59,640 --> 00:59:02,320
Speaker 3: our boss because we believed that there was power in

1163
00:59:02,440 --> 00:59:05,720
Speaker 3: numbers that it didn't need to be, this is what

1164
00:59:05,760 --> 00:59:07,640
Speaker 3: happened to her, And this is what happened to that girl,

1165
00:59:07,640 --> 00:59:09,280
Speaker 3: and this girl over here had this. It was like,

1166
00:59:09,640 --> 00:59:12,120
Speaker 3: these are the collective experiences that we, as cast and

1167
00:59:12,160 --> 00:59:17,080
Speaker 3: crew females on this show went through. I had reps

1168
00:59:17,120 --> 00:59:20,320
Speaker 3: at the time when me too was breaking that October

1169
00:59:21,280 --> 00:59:24,480
Speaker 3: a story was coming out about my coworker in Chicago,

1170
00:59:24,880 --> 00:59:26,840
Speaker 3: and my reps said to me, you're going to have

1171
00:59:26,880 --> 00:59:29,200
Speaker 3: to pick. You can either tell the story about your

1172
00:59:29,200 --> 00:59:31,960
Speaker 3: first boss or you can tell the story about your coworker.

1173
00:59:32,000 --> 00:59:33,800
Speaker 3: But you can't tell both because then it looks like

1174
00:59:33,800 --> 00:59:37,960
Speaker 3: it's your fault. Yeah, and that was professional advice.

1175
00:59:38,440 --> 00:59:40,880
Speaker 1: Wow picked us? You picked us?

1176
00:59:41,040 --> 00:59:44,720
Speaker 3: Of course I did, and I always would I would

1177
00:59:44,760 --> 00:59:49,720
Speaker 3: forever No thank you. But like you know, when when

1178
00:59:49,760 --> 00:59:52,360
Speaker 3: people on that other job say, why won't you stop

1179
00:59:52,400 --> 00:59:54,960
Speaker 3: talking about it or why did you need to bring

1180
00:59:55,000 --> 00:59:57,320
Speaker 3: it up, I'm like, you have no idea what I

1181
00:59:57,440 --> 00:59:59,280
Speaker 3: withheld that's benefitted you.

1182
01:00:00,080 --> 01:00:01,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, and that's the truth.

1183
01:00:01,960 --> 01:00:04,080
Speaker 3: In the same way that we all feel about our

1184
01:00:04,160 --> 01:00:07,120
Speaker 3: boss on this show, the way I feel about the

1185
01:00:07,160 --> 01:00:11,000
Speaker 3: predator on my other on that other show, is I'm

1186
01:00:11,040 --> 01:00:13,560
Speaker 3: not gonna be able to take this chip off my

1187
01:00:13,640 --> 01:00:17,640
Speaker 3: shoulder until you face some accountability. Yep, because you got

1188
01:00:17,640 --> 01:00:21,320
Speaker 3: to do this thing. You got to scar all these women,

1189
01:00:22,000 --> 01:00:25,040
Speaker 3: you got to hurt all these people. You've left a

1190
01:00:25,080 --> 01:00:27,480
Speaker 3: body count in your wake of people who have to

1191
01:00:27,520 --> 01:00:31,160
Speaker 3: go to therapy and do all of this gnarly work.

1192
01:00:32,000 --> 01:00:36,240
Speaker 3: And we didn't ask for that, And I agree with you.

1193
01:00:36,320 --> 01:00:38,440
Speaker 3: I don't know what we're supposed to do until there

1194
01:00:38,520 --> 01:00:42,240
Speaker 3: is some more accountability. I don't know what we're supposed

1195
01:00:42,240 --> 01:00:44,000
Speaker 3: to do that our boss was allowed to never make

1196
01:00:44,040 --> 01:00:46,360
Speaker 3: a comment. I don't know what I'm supposed to do that.

1197
01:00:46,400 --> 01:00:50,920
Speaker 3: My next employers rebranded sexual assault with witnesses as quote

1198
01:00:50,960 --> 01:00:54,160
Speaker 3: anger management issues in the press. I don't know what

1199
01:00:54,280 --> 01:00:56,360
Speaker 3: to do with that, and I don't know what to

1200
01:00:56,400 --> 01:00:58,240
Speaker 3: do with the fact that they get away with it.

1201
01:00:58,800 --> 01:01:01,360
Speaker 3: But every time I go on a set that's lovely,

1202
01:01:02,360 --> 01:01:04,280
Speaker 3: I start to go, Okay, this set was bad, and

1203
01:01:04,360 --> 01:01:07,000
Speaker 3: this set was bad. This movie was really great, and

1204
01:01:07,080 --> 01:01:09,200
Speaker 3: this movie was really great, and this show was really hard.

1205
01:01:09,320 --> 01:01:12,320
Speaker 3: Everything else show was really great. Like every other environment

1206
01:01:12,360 --> 01:01:15,200
Speaker 3: has actually been amazing. It just sucks that the ones

1207
01:01:15,240 --> 01:01:17,040
Speaker 3: we've been in the longest have been the worst.

1208
01:01:17,920 --> 01:01:22,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know now that you're producing, like how much

1209
01:01:22,320 --> 01:01:27,240
Speaker 1: of this affected how you and Jensen run your own shows?

1210
01:01:27,920 --> 01:01:30,120
Speaker 5: M oh all of it.

1211
01:01:30,680 --> 01:01:37,280
Speaker 6: But also, I mean, we we only hired people that

1212
01:01:38,880 --> 01:01:41,280
Speaker 6: know how to behave themselves in our upstanding.

1213
01:01:41,600 --> 01:01:41,840
Speaker 7: You know.

1214
01:01:41,960 --> 01:01:45,400
Speaker 6: Our showrunner for Winchester's, which we just did, is so

1215
01:01:45,640 --> 01:01:52,560
Speaker 6: wonderful and so kind and caring with the actors and

1216
01:01:53,000 --> 01:01:57,120
Speaker 6: wanted their inputs, creatively checked to make sure they were

1217
01:01:57,160 --> 01:02:01,520
Speaker 6: okay with scenes when I mean just across the board

1218
01:02:02,000 --> 01:02:06,640
Speaker 6: hiring people to begin with that we trusted, you know,

1219
01:02:07,680 --> 01:02:10,000
Speaker 6: and then checking in. We did a lot of checking

1220
01:02:10,040 --> 01:02:14,080
Speaker 6: in with with the actors, which is something nobody really

1221
01:02:14,080 --> 01:02:19,360
Speaker 6: did for us and treat and and treating everybody equally,

1222
01:02:20,080 --> 01:02:23,040
Speaker 6: like we're all part of this production. It's we're all

1223
01:02:23,080 --> 01:02:26,600
Speaker 6: going to you know, yes, the showrunner is the top,

1224
01:02:27,000 --> 01:02:30,240
Speaker 6: but the showrunner still getting together with the actors and

1225
01:02:30,320 --> 01:02:34,840
Speaker 6: asking how they feel about things. Genuinely, I think it's

1226
01:02:34,920 --> 01:02:38,160
Speaker 6: beautiful and and you know, you feel that when you're

1227
01:02:38,200 --> 01:02:40,120
Speaker 6: working on a production. So we wanted to make sure

1228
01:02:40,160 --> 01:02:44,000
Speaker 6: that that that was done on our first project. And

1229
01:02:45,440 --> 01:02:48,080
Speaker 6: but yeah, you hire you you don't work with people

1230
01:02:51,520 --> 01:02:53,920
Speaker 6: just because oh, this person is a great writer, but

1231
01:02:54,120 --> 01:02:57,040
Speaker 6: we know there's a little bit of stuff in the

1232
01:02:57,040 --> 01:02:59,560
Speaker 6: background that wasn't even a consideration, and that person was

1233
01:02:59,600 --> 01:03:02,720
Speaker 6: off the life. You know, as as we're working on projects,

1234
01:03:02,760 --> 01:03:06,760
Speaker 6: we're always thinking about that, especially a project where you're

1235
01:03:06,760 --> 01:03:09,640
Speaker 6: putting young people. I mean we've we've all talked about that,

1236
01:03:09,800 --> 01:03:14,439
Speaker 6: I mean young actors. You know, there's comments I don't

1237
01:03:14,440 --> 01:03:18,760
Speaker 6: think I'll ever get over, you know, being called old

1238
01:03:18,840 --> 01:03:23,520
Speaker 6: neck and and like having to laugh that off because

1239
01:03:23,520 --> 01:03:27,240
Speaker 6: I have like lines on my neck that I've always had.

1240
01:03:27,800 --> 01:03:33,680
Speaker 9: You have a swan neck, Daniel, You're beautiful, but but

1241
01:03:33,800 --> 01:03:38,480
Speaker 9: you know, like old neck, the squeaky voice thing, them

1242
01:03:38,520 --> 01:03:43,640
Speaker 9: working it into the script then you know, yeah, I

1243
01:03:43,720 --> 01:03:44,640
Speaker 9: just got the phone.

1244
01:03:44,440 --> 01:03:46,280
Speaker 5: With the network, and you're gonna have.

1245
01:03:46,160 --> 01:03:48,080
Speaker 6: To try a little harder because you're not as pretty

1246
01:03:48,080 --> 01:03:48,800
Speaker 6: as the other girl.

1247
01:03:49,040 --> 01:03:50,000
Speaker 2: It's unbelievable.

1248
01:03:50,080 --> 01:03:54,520
Speaker 6: It's just unbelievable, and I mean I like, I totally

1249
01:03:54,560 --> 01:03:55,160
Speaker 6: believed it.

1250
01:03:55,320 --> 01:03:59,480
Speaker 3: I was like, you're light, it's so insane. We were

1251
01:03:59,520 --> 01:04:03,760
Speaker 3: all you go on to set and we all went home. Yeah, yeah, god,

1252
01:04:04,080 --> 01:04:06,000
Speaker 3: what do we like. I could barely look at you

1253
01:04:06,080 --> 01:04:08,080
Speaker 3: when you first got there because I was like, she's

1254
01:04:08,200 --> 01:04:09,000
Speaker 3: so pretty.

1255
01:04:09,600 --> 01:04:12,120
Speaker 6: But y'all were all you know, we were so young,

1256
01:04:12,280 --> 01:04:15,280
Speaker 6: and it was like One Tree Hill was my first

1257
01:04:15,320 --> 01:04:17,800
Speaker 6: big thing, so I was nervous and didn't really know

1258
01:04:17,840 --> 01:04:20,400
Speaker 6: what I was doing. And I was like, oh, yeah, okay,

1259
01:04:20,480 --> 01:04:23,560
Speaker 6: I'm not it's got it, got it, try harder because

1260
01:04:23,600 --> 01:04:26,400
Speaker 6: you're you're going to happen. This is a network of

1261
01:04:26,440 --> 01:04:30,240
Speaker 6: beautiful people. And she's like okay, and just the delivery

1262
01:04:30,280 --> 01:04:35,680
Speaker 6: on it was so matter of fact, like listen, this

1263
01:04:35,760 --> 01:04:38,760
Speaker 6: came from this came from the high ups.

1264
01:04:39,120 --> 01:04:41,960
Speaker 5: And I was like, Okay, you might not want to.

1265
01:04:41,920 --> 01:04:44,240
Speaker 6: Watch this scene because when you're crying in it, it's

1266
01:04:44,280 --> 01:04:45,440
Speaker 6: like really puffy, you.

1267
01:04:45,400 --> 01:04:48,760
Speaker 5: Know, like it's like Okay, Jesus, Okay.

1268
01:04:48,440 --> 01:04:51,800
Speaker 6: I gotta learn because I know some people look great crying.

1269
01:04:51,840 --> 01:04:53,000
Speaker 5: I legitimately do not.

1270
01:04:53,080 --> 01:04:55,560
Speaker 1: You guys, Oh my god, you crying with Uncle Cooper.

1271
01:04:55,720 --> 01:04:58,840
Speaker 1: We raved about that because she looked like a girl,

1272
01:04:59,360 --> 01:05:02,280
Speaker 1: like you w a girl? No, you look beautiful.

1273
01:05:02,440 --> 01:05:04,800
Speaker 6: But you know how like when you like, when I cry,

1274
01:05:04,960 --> 01:05:08,560
Speaker 6: I legitimately my face gets like two times more puffy.

1275
01:05:08,920 --> 01:05:11,960
Speaker 2: But it's human. You're a human being. Like everyone right

1276
01:05:12,240 --> 01:05:14,960
Speaker 2: looks bad when they cry. There's maybe like six people

1277
01:05:14,960 --> 01:05:17,320
Speaker 2: on the planet who look just absolutely stunning when they cry.

1278
01:05:17,400 --> 01:05:19,040
Speaker 2: But is it a real cry? I don't know, because

1279
01:05:19,040 --> 01:05:21,600
Speaker 2: you know what, if you're really sad, you can wrenching

1280
01:05:21,640 --> 01:05:23,160
Speaker 2: your guts out and you don't care what your face

1281
01:05:23,200 --> 01:05:24,640
Speaker 2: looks like. And that's the truth.

1282
01:05:26,080 --> 01:05:28,560
Speaker 6: So yeah, I mean we are like those kinds of

1283
01:05:28,680 --> 01:05:31,240
Speaker 6: scar like you just think about it, and I'm like, oh,

1284
01:05:31,960 --> 01:05:35,680
Speaker 6: you know, well, yeah, the next job, you bring that

1285
01:05:35,720 --> 01:05:36,720
Speaker 6: into your next job.

1286
01:05:36,760 --> 01:05:39,000
Speaker 5: I one hundred percent brought that into my next job.

1287
01:05:39,040 --> 01:05:41,800
Speaker 6: I'm like, Okay, I'm gonna have to try harder on

1288
01:05:41,840 --> 01:05:43,240
Speaker 6: this one because I'm not.

1289
01:05:43,160 --> 01:05:44,479
Speaker 5: As great as everybody else.

1290
01:05:44,600 --> 01:05:46,800
Speaker 2: And like it's just it's not true.

1291
01:05:47,360 --> 01:05:51,280
Speaker 6: We're all confident people because in a way, because we

1292
01:05:51,320 --> 01:05:56,440
Speaker 6: got into this business, but you know, the insecurities are

1293
01:05:56,480 --> 01:06:01,760
Speaker 6: definitely there, and you know, putting your your arm out there, and.

1294
01:06:01,720 --> 01:06:06,800
Speaker 3: When people purposefully pit you against your friends to make

1295
01:06:06,880 --> 01:06:09,920
Speaker 3: you feel like, you know, you're the least of this group.

1296
01:06:10,840 --> 01:06:13,000
Speaker 3: Isn't it so weird as adult women to go, oh,

1297
01:06:13,040 --> 01:06:15,680
Speaker 3: he did that to each one of us. Wow, he

1298
01:06:15,760 --> 01:06:17,640
Speaker 3: did that to every single one of us. He made

1299
01:06:17,720 --> 01:06:20,120
Speaker 3: us each feel that way. I'll never forget. I don't

1300
01:06:20,120 --> 01:06:22,080
Speaker 3: know if I ever told you this, but just for

1301
01:06:22,200 --> 01:06:25,080
Speaker 3: an example to return to you of how crazy this was,

1302
01:06:25,960 --> 01:06:28,520
Speaker 3: y'all were with me. I was going through one of

1303
01:06:28,840 --> 01:06:33,080
Speaker 3: the most horrific times of my life in season three.

1304
01:06:33,600 --> 01:06:38,640
Speaker 3: I was not okay and truly from the stress just

1305
01:06:38,680 --> 01:06:42,400
Speaker 3: like experience that I was going through. I wasn't sleeping,

1306
01:06:42,440 --> 01:06:44,520
Speaker 3: my hair started falling out, I'd lost a bunch of weight,

1307
01:06:44,640 --> 01:06:48,160
Speaker 3: like there was nothing I could physically do to stop

1308
01:06:48,240 --> 01:06:51,000
Speaker 3: it from showing on my body. And I remember our

1309
01:06:51,040 --> 01:06:53,080
Speaker 3: boss coming up to me one day really early in

1310
01:06:53,120 --> 01:06:55,840
Speaker 3: the third season and putting his arm around me walking

1311
01:06:55,880 --> 01:06:58,920
Speaker 3: from base camp to the set and going, look at you,

1312
01:06:58,920 --> 01:07:01,160
Speaker 3: You've gotten so skinny. You look like you've been doing

1313
01:07:01,200 --> 01:07:05,240
Speaker 3: a herointer or hanging out with Hillary. Oh god, because

1314
01:07:05,280 --> 01:07:07,360
Speaker 3: he always told me that I was fat because I

1315
01:07:07,400 --> 01:07:10,680
Speaker 3: wasn't as skinny as you. Yeah, and he like said

1316
01:07:10,680 --> 01:07:13,680
Speaker 3: it to me like it was a compliment, and I

1317
01:07:13,760 --> 01:07:18,040
Speaker 3: was like, Hi, I'm dying. I don't know how to

1318
01:07:18,120 --> 01:07:19,800
Speaker 3: go to sleep anymore.

1319
01:07:19,520 --> 01:07:20,160
Speaker 1: Like how do you?

1320
01:07:21,040 --> 01:07:23,760
Speaker 2: I just I really can't wrap my brain around somebody

1321
01:07:23,760 --> 01:07:25,760
Speaker 2: functioning like that on a day to day basis, Like

1322
01:07:25,840 --> 01:07:28,040
Speaker 2: what the hell kids? World do you live in?

1323
01:07:28,120 --> 01:07:31,000
Speaker 1: With kids? Thank you, guys, we were kids. We were kids.

1324
01:07:31,040 --> 01:07:35,600
Speaker 3: We were kids. We were in our early twenties. None

1325
01:07:35,640 --> 01:07:38,439
Speaker 3: of us was old enough to rent a car. Yet

1326
01:07:39,280 --> 01:07:40,400
Speaker 3: we couldn't rent a car.

1327
01:07:40,720 --> 01:07:44,560
Speaker 1: I don't know how you watch the magical like basketball

1328
01:07:44,600 --> 01:07:47,720
Speaker 1: scene in this episode and see all of that youthful

1329
01:07:47,920 --> 01:07:52,760
Speaker 1: exuberance and thinking I want to fuck those kids up, Like, yeah.

1330
01:07:52,600 --> 01:07:57,840
Speaker 10: We're so alive and right on the cusp of like

1331
01:07:58,480 --> 01:08:00,880
Speaker 10: doing the next big thing, and we all had so

1332
01:08:00,960 --> 01:08:06,680
Speaker 10: much ambition and potential and silliness in us, And why

1333
01:08:06,720 --> 01:08:07,280
Speaker 10: wouldn't you.

1334
01:08:07,240 --> 01:08:10,760
Speaker 6: Want that for your like as a producer? Now? Like

1335
01:08:11,840 --> 01:08:15,280
Speaker 6: you know you and I love you, love Meg Donnelly

1336
01:08:15,320 --> 01:08:19,320
Speaker 6: about as much as I do and I I am

1337
01:08:19,439 --> 01:08:22,880
Speaker 6: just like, you know what, what don't I want for

1338
01:08:22,960 --> 01:08:25,599
Speaker 6: her everything? I want her to get everything. We were

1339
01:08:25,640 --> 01:08:27,880
Speaker 6: talking about it something earlier and I was like.

1340
01:08:27,880 --> 01:08:30,320
Speaker 1: No, I'm producing a movie and I'm like, Meg Donald,

1341
01:08:30,400 --> 01:08:31,920
Speaker 1: can I have her? What can we do to build

1342
01:08:31,960 --> 01:08:32,360
Speaker 1: it up?

1343
01:08:33,000 --> 01:08:35,320
Speaker 6: You're like I need somebody like young. I'm like, you

1344
01:08:35,320 --> 01:08:38,040
Speaker 6: should use Meg, Meg, you know. And it's like, I

1345
01:08:38,040 --> 01:08:41,040
Speaker 6: think that's the difference. And I want to see everybody

1346
01:08:41,040 --> 01:08:43,719
Speaker 6: I'm working with do amazing things and like, oh.

1347
01:08:43,680 --> 01:08:44,920
Speaker 5: My gosh, the world.

1348
01:08:45,680 --> 01:08:49,360
Speaker 6: I don't want to take everything from them, and and

1349
01:08:50,240 --> 01:08:53,639
Speaker 6: but I think that's the difference with with someone like him, is.

1350
01:08:53,720 --> 01:08:56,360
Speaker 5: Just I want to own you.

1351
01:08:56,360 --> 01:08:59,559
Speaker 6: You're here because I said yes to you and no

1352
01:08:59,560 --> 01:09:03,519
Speaker 6: one else would have done that. And thank goodness I

1353
01:09:03,720 --> 01:09:06,439
Speaker 6: gave you this break. Thank goodness I put you where

1354
01:09:06,439 --> 01:09:12,360
Speaker 6: you are, you know, and One Tree Hill was my

1355
01:09:12,400 --> 01:09:16,000
Speaker 6: big break. And yes, you did say yes to me,

1356
01:09:16,240 --> 01:09:19,760
Speaker 6: and thank you. But the rest of the work I'm

1357
01:09:19,760 --> 01:09:25,040
Speaker 6: doing myself, you know. And the audition I did myself.

1358
01:09:25,120 --> 01:09:25,320
Speaker 1: You know.

1359
01:09:25,960 --> 01:09:29,280
Speaker 6: It's but back then I really couldn't think that way,

1360
01:09:29,560 --> 01:09:32,880
Speaker 6: you know. I was I was too young and too green, and.

1361
01:09:33,400 --> 01:09:35,240
Speaker 3: Well we also just didn't know that there was a

1362
01:09:35,280 --> 01:09:37,880
Speaker 3: world where we could be mentored instead of stepped on.

1363
01:09:38,320 --> 01:09:42,000
Speaker 1: You guys, God did he was mentoring me. He was

1364
01:09:42,160 --> 01:09:45,320
Speaker 1: absolutely like, we're going to start a record label together.

1365
01:09:45,880 --> 01:09:48,120
Speaker 1: We're going to do with this production company together. So

1366
01:09:48,240 --> 01:09:51,519
Speaker 1: I had started a production company this season, season four

1367
01:09:51,680 --> 01:09:55,200
Speaker 1: of One Tree Hill, I started Southern Gothic Productions. And

1368
01:09:55,760 --> 01:09:59,479
Speaker 1: the scene that Chad and I shot in my comment

1369
01:09:59,600 --> 01:10:02,920
Speaker 1: Convert by the Water, I will remember that day as

1370
01:10:02,920 --> 01:10:07,559
Speaker 1: long as I live, because he was directing and we

1371
01:10:07,560 --> 01:10:10,080
Speaker 1: were he was seated up with me on the back

1372
01:10:10,120 --> 01:10:12,000
Speaker 1: seat while we were waiting for the camera to move,

1373
01:10:12,080 --> 01:10:14,800
Speaker 1: and I'm like, and we found this script and this guy,

1374
01:10:14,920 --> 01:10:17,280
Speaker 1: Nick Gray, my best friend, like wrote it and I

1375
01:10:17,360 --> 01:10:19,240
Speaker 1: was like so excited. I'm like, and we're gonna take

1376
01:10:19,240 --> 01:10:21,080
Speaker 1: it to this person and we have uta looking at

1377
01:10:21,160 --> 01:10:23,760
Speaker 1: it and like there was all this momentum and he

1378
01:10:23,840 --> 01:10:27,559
Speaker 1: just stopped me and he's like, honey, you're not smart

1379
01:10:27,680 --> 01:10:30,400
Speaker 1: enough to be a producer. Just enjoy being an actress.

1380
01:10:30,479 --> 01:10:34,640
Speaker 1: It's so much less work. And I so I just

1381
01:10:34,640 --> 01:10:37,240
Speaker 1: want to say, God, damn it, we're all producers now.

1382
01:10:37,360 --> 01:10:40,959
Speaker 1: So yeah, my second one of us is a producer.

1383
01:10:41,000 --> 01:10:45,920
Speaker 6: Now, Yes, that's just a terrible way to look at things.

1384
01:10:46,040 --> 01:10:50,080
Speaker 6: And I think, I from what I've seen on my end,

1385
01:10:51,000 --> 01:10:53,040
Speaker 6: that dynamic is changing.

1386
01:10:54,040 --> 01:10:57,040
Speaker 5: It's changing in the writer's room definitely.

1387
01:10:57,120 --> 01:11:01,920
Speaker 6: That we had for when Winchester's there wasn't a us

1388
01:11:01,960 --> 01:11:05,679
Speaker 6: against the actors, you know, the producers against the actors.

1389
01:11:05,760 --> 01:11:07,360
Speaker 5: Why does it have to be like that?

1390
01:11:07,479 --> 01:11:10,160
Speaker 6: It doesn't you know, in order to have a good

1391
01:11:10,200 --> 01:11:12,880
Speaker 6: production and turn out a good show, everybody has to

1392
01:11:12,920 --> 01:11:14,599
Speaker 6: be on the same page, working together.

1393
01:11:14,880 --> 01:11:16,040
Speaker 5: The best idea wins.

1394
01:11:16,520 --> 01:11:20,120
Speaker 2: I was just gonna say that, yes, my favorite.

1395
01:11:21,200 --> 01:11:23,519
Speaker 5: Like watching a production work like that.

1396
01:11:23,560 --> 01:11:28,600
Speaker 6: Is so so much more beautiful and then everybody's I

1397
01:11:28,600 --> 01:11:33,360
Speaker 6: don't think producing. I would argue that that acting is harder,

1398
01:11:33,479 --> 01:11:34,920
Speaker 6: but I don't know.

1399
01:11:35,439 --> 01:11:37,559
Speaker 5: Maybe depends. It depends on.

1400
01:11:38,040 --> 01:11:44,280
Speaker 6: The film or movie I guess, But yeah, that's that's upsetting.

1401
01:11:44,920 --> 01:11:46,360
Speaker 5: I remember when that happened to you.

1402
01:11:46,960 --> 01:11:49,719
Speaker 1: We had good stuff in this episode. We had really

1403
01:11:49,720 --> 01:11:52,120
Speaker 1: good stuff in this episode. And so for the fans

1404
01:11:52,120 --> 01:11:54,559
Speaker 1: at home that love it, I don't want to shit

1405
01:11:54,680 --> 01:11:56,960
Speaker 1: on it because I love it too. And I think

1406
01:11:57,000 --> 01:11:59,760
Speaker 1: that's what's so confusing, is that it can be an

1407
01:12:00,080 --> 01:12:02,880
Speaker 1: awful experience but a thing that we still love.

1408
01:12:03,000 --> 01:12:07,559
Speaker 6: I loved it's reflective in this actual episode. I mean

1409
01:12:07,680 --> 01:12:10,400
Speaker 6: like that struck me right off the bat, and I

1410
01:12:10,439 --> 01:12:11,280
Speaker 6: mean it was just like.

1411
01:12:11,880 --> 01:12:14,120
Speaker 5: It's so great and it's so bad.

1412
01:12:14,880 --> 01:12:18,080
Speaker 6: And that was my experience in this episode was I

1413
01:12:18,160 --> 01:12:19,160
Speaker 6: had so much fun.

1414
01:12:19,200 --> 01:12:21,360
Speaker 5: I hadn't seen my friends in a while. I was

1415
01:12:21,400 --> 01:12:22,000
Speaker 5: coming back.

1416
01:12:22,040 --> 01:12:24,799
Speaker 6: I had done a film in between, and I felt

1417
01:12:24,840 --> 01:12:28,880
Speaker 6: like more confident in what I was doing, and I

1418
01:12:28,960 --> 01:12:32,320
Speaker 6: came back with like, yes, I'm kind of doing I'm

1419
01:12:32,400 --> 01:12:34,360
Speaker 6: kind of doing good. And then I got like back

1420
01:12:34,400 --> 01:12:34,920
Speaker 6: to the face.

1421
01:12:37,040 --> 01:12:37,760
Speaker 5: But so it was.

1422
01:12:37,960 --> 01:12:41,120
Speaker 6: It was the episode of highs and lows, both on

1423
01:12:41,200 --> 01:12:42,240
Speaker 6: and off camera for me.

1424
01:12:43,120 --> 01:12:43,880
Speaker 5: Yeah, for sure.

1425
01:12:44,240 --> 01:12:47,120
Speaker 3: I think what's really important to reiterate about stuff like this,

1426
01:12:47,240 --> 01:12:50,840
Speaker 3: and you're right, is that it's both. You know, you

1427
01:12:50,840 --> 01:12:53,400
Speaker 3: can grow up with a complex family and have had

1428
01:12:54,200 --> 01:12:57,759
Speaker 3: nightmare times with them and beautiful times with them. And

1429
01:12:58,520 --> 01:13:02,360
Speaker 3: I think it's really important to remind our friends at

1430
01:13:02,360 --> 01:13:05,120
Speaker 3: home that you know, they watch an episode that's an

1431
01:13:05,160 --> 01:13:09,479
Speaker 3: hour long. But this took us eight days for seventeen

1432
01:13:09,520 --> 01:13:13,400
Speaker 3: hours a day. Some of those hours were terrible and

1433
01:13:13,479 --> 01:13:18,280
Speaker 3: really hard, and we were prepared for battle almost every

1434
01:13:18,320 --> 01:13:20,559
Speaker 3: day by now. By the end of season four, when

1435
01:13:20,560 --> 01:13:22,439
Speaker 3: we'd come to work and our boss would be there.

1436
01:13:22,960 --> 01:13:25,200
Speaker 3: But we also had times where we were having so

1437
01:13:25,280 --> 01:13:28,200
Speaker 3: much fun together. And I see that in us when

1438
01:13:28,240 --> 01:13:30,879
Speaker 3: we're dancing and we know we don't know the words,

1439
01:13:31,160 --> 01:13:34,679
Speaker 3: and I remember the words and moves. I remember when

1440
01:13:35,280 --> 01:13:37,920
Speaker 3: I got to a point I was wearing pumps and

1441
01:13:37,960 --> 01:13:40,160
Speaker 3: they kept trying to fly off my feet, so the

1442
01:13:40,360 --> 01:13:44,400
Speaker 3: wardrobe rubber banded my shoes to my feet. After a while,

1443
01:13:44,439 --> 01:13:45,960
Speaker 3: I was like, I can't feel my feet. You guys,

1444
01:13:46,000 --> 01:13:48,400
Speaker 3: if I fall on you, I'm so sorry, And like

1445
01:13:49,040 --> 01:13:52,080
Speaker 3: how funny that was. And I remember, to your point,

1446
01:13:52,120 --> 01:13:55,080
Speaker 3: the exuberance, like when we got to the river court

1447
01:13:55,120 --> 01:13:56,880
Speaker 3: and people started kicking their shoes off and we were

1448
01:13:56,960 --> 01:13:59,760
Speaker 3: throwing our jackets. He wasn't directing us to do any

1449
01:13:59,760 --> 01:14:02,439
Speaker 3: of that. We were doing it because we were together

1450
01:14:02,840 --> 01:14:08,240
Speaker 3: and there was beauty in it. But I think it's

1451
01:14:08,360 --> 01:14:12,320
Speaker 3: very hard when the world has only seen and celebrated

1452
01:14:12,360 --> 01:14:14,800
Speaker 3: the beauty of an experience, to be the one who

1453
01:14:14,840 --> 01:14:17,599
Speaker 3: knows there's pain, like you got to cut it out

1454
01:14:17,640 --> 01:14:19,519
Speaker 3: and you got to clean out the wound. And I'm

1455
01:14:19,920 --> 01:14:23,519
Speaker 3: I'm proud of us for doing this together, and I'm

1456
01:14:23,600 --> 01:14:25,639
Speaker 3: proud of the people who listen to us, who talk

1457
01:14:25,680 --> 01:14:28,679
Speaker 3: about how it matters, and who are motivated to share

1458
01:14:28,760 --> 01:14:30,800
Speaker 3: about their own lives because of things we share on

1459
01:14:30,840 --> 01:14:35,080
Speaker 3: the show, Like I really think healing is contagious and

1460
01:14:35,160 --> 01:14:38,120
Speaker 3: so you know, you said it, Hill, he can eat

1461
01:14:38,160 --> 01:14:39,839
Speaker 3: a bag of Dick's look at us now.

1462
01:14:39,840 --> 01:14:43,439
Speaker 1: All the day?

1463
01:14:46,800 --> 01:14:48,879
Speaker 3: Is that the title of this episode?

1464
01:14:49,240 --> 01:14:49,439
Speaker 7: Yes?

1465
01:14:50,120 --> 01:14:54,639
Speaker 1: I just love that that there's a whole new crop

1466
01:14:54,720 --> 01:14:58,599
Speaker 1: of young actors coming up through you, Daniel, because you

1467
01:14:58,720 --> 01:15:01,880
Speaker 1: know how to prepare, hear them and protect them. And

1468
01:15:02,320 --> 01:15:02,880
Speaker 1: that's awesome.

1469
01:15:03,280 --> 01:15:07,720
Speaker 6: Yeahful, I think just you know, we we need to

1470
01:15:07,800 --> 01:15:11,760
Speaker 6: just share that message the most you know on how

1471
01:15:11,760 --> 01:15:15,760
Speaker 6: to behave Yeah.

1472
01:15:14,800 --> 01:15:16,719
Speaker 5: I think that that's that's the key.

1473
01:15:17,960 --> 01:15:21,800
Speaker 6: And also the young people coming up now, Man, I

1474
01:15:21,840 --> 01:15:25,960
Speaker 6: can't imagine somebody on set grabbing someone's ass and that

1475
01:15:26,040 --> 01:15:31,040
Speaker 6: person not just turning around immediately, you know, or somebody

1476
01:15:31,120 --> 01:15:34,960
Speaker 6: siget like it feels like it feels like we are

1477
01:15:35,240 --> 01:15:37,320
Speaker 6: close to real change.

1478
01:15:37,640 --> 01:15:38,400
Speaker 5: It really does.

1479
01:15:38,600 --> 01:15:41,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, these kids have social media, God bless them. They

1480
01:15:41,080 --> 01:15:44,080
Speaker 1: can just taight some out real quick. I wish we'd

1481
01:15:44,120 --> 01:15:55,559
Speaker 1: add that exactly. Good for that. I love it. Do

1482
01:15:55,640 --> 01:15:57,360
Speaker 1: we have fan questions or do we want to just

1483
01:15:57,400 --> 01:16:01,240
Speaker 1: pick an honorable mention for this very conflicted episode.

1484
01:16:01,320 --> 01:16:03,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think let's go for honorable mention.

1485
01:16:03,920 --> 01:16:08,160
Speaker 1: You know, I loved lean Norris jumping off of the

1486
01:16:08,280 --> 01:16:11,840
Speaker 1: roof and making his way down to Brook David.

1487
01:16:12,080 --> 01:16:12,800
Speaker 2: And punching that.

1488
01:16:17,080 --> 01:16:20,639
Speaker 3: He's sorry, you look great. I love that moment.

1489
01:16:20,840 --> 01:16:24,479
Speaker 5: Yeah. Yeah, I wish. I wish Mouth and Rachel would

1490
01:16:24,479 --> 01:16:25,760
Speaker 5: have kissed. I want.

1491
01:16:27,040 --> 01:16:33,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, you were being punished, Sophia got your present. I

1492
01:16:33,960 --> 01:16:34,240
Speaker 1: love it.

1493
01:16:34,360 --> 01:16:34,559
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1494
01:16:34,880 --> 01:16:39,559
Speaker 1: No, Mouth had a nice reclamation and he never went creepy.

1495
01:16:39,880 --> 01:16:42,200
Speaker 1: He didn't try to sleep with Shelley, he didn't push

1496
01:16:42,200 --> 01:16:44,240
Speaker 1: it with Brooke. It was just I love you, You're

1497
01:16:44,280 --> 01:16:47,439
Speaker 1: my friend. Good luck. Yeah, see you later.

1498
01:16:47,640 --> 01:16:49,439
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, yeah.

1499
01:16:49,520 --> 01:16:53,760
Speaker 1: Sweet ladies, Oh god, we graduated. I feel like you

1500
01:16:53,800 --> 01:16:55,799
Speaker 1: could take a breath now. I'm going to sleep tonight.

1501
01:16:56,439 --> 01:16:58,639
Speaker 3: Yeah, this episode's done to Neil.

1502
01:16:58,720 --> 01:17:00,639
Speaker 2: Thank you so much for joining us.

1503
01:17:01,040 --> 01:17:03,680
Speaker 5: No, thank you. Was this was good? A little bit

1504
01:17:03,720 --> 01:17:04,280
Speaker 5: of therapy.

1505
01:17:04,600 --> 01:17:05,280
Speaker 2: Absolutely?

1506
01:17:05,680 --> 01:17:07,439
Speaker 1: All right, let's spin that wheel. What do we have

1507
01:17:07,520 --> 01:17:10,599
Speaker 1: this week? This is the last wheel of high school ladies.

1508
01:17:11,960 --> 01:17:13,479
Speaker 3: I hope it's about high school.

1509
01:17:14,680 --> 01:17:17,759
Speaker 1: Well, let's just apply whatever it is to high school.

1510
01:17:18,000 --> 01:17:21,760
Speaker 3: Okay, okay, like in bed on a fortune cookie, most.

1511
01:17:21,600 --> 01:17:23,480
Speaker 5: Likely to become a Mamager.

1512
01:17:23,960 --> 01:17:27,759
Speaker 1: Oh, I mean.

1513
01:17:30,680 --> 01:17:33,559
Speaker 2: It's Brook, right, yeah?

1514
01:17:33,680 --> 01:17:34,000
Speaker 6: Brook?

1515
01:17:34,920 --> 01:17:38,400
Speaker 3: Oh my god. I feel like because Brook's mom was

1516
01:17:38,479 --> 01:17:40,880
Speaker 3: her CEO, she would never but maybe.

1517
01:17:40,479 --> 01:17:42,240
Speaker 1: We all become our parents.

1518
01:17:42,840 --> 01:17:44,360
Speaker 3: Yeah all right, Ben Brook.

1519
01:17:44,680 --> 01:17:47,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think deb could go Ma meger.

1520
01:17:48,479 --> 01:17:50,679
Speaker 3: By the way. I was just gonna say, if Brooke

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Speaker 3: did it the way Barbara's done it in real life,

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Speaker 3: where she's raised her girls to be these amazing actresses

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Speaker 3: and then goes and works on their shows to make

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Speaker 3: sure they're safe, but like they're a obsessed with her,

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Speaker 3: like they're having the best time. I'm like, that could

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Speaker 3: be fun.

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Speaker 1: No, absolutely, Barbara is the perfect example of the best

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Speaker 1: way to do it.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, she wins.

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Speaker 5: Agreed.

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Speaker 3: I love you, Barb. Okay, friends, next episode, I can't

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Speaker 3: believe it. We're time jumping to season five, episode one,

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Speaker 3: four years, six months, and two days.

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Speaker 1: My gosh. The only thing I remember is Rachel being

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Speaker 1: a junkie Daniel before we lose you. Do you want

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Speaker 1: to give any like drug advice?

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Speaker 6: Don't do drug, don't do them kids. Yeah, yeah, I'll

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Speaker 6: come back for that episode.

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Speaker 5: That's crazy.

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Speaker 1: Okay, great, okay, shower, Well.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, there is so much to talk about in that episode.

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Speaker 2: So much good stuff, good Rachel stuff coming up.

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Speaker 1: I love it all right.

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Speaker 2: We love everybody, see you, I love you, love. Thanks

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Speaker 2: for joining us, friends, Hey, thanks for listening.

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Speaker 3: Don't forget to leave us a review. You can also

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Speaker 3: follow us on Instagram at Drama Queen's.

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Speaker 1: Or email us at Drama Queens at iHeartRadio dot com.

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Speaker 1: See you next time.

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Speaker 3: We all about that high school drama.

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Speaker 4: Girl Drama Girl, all about them high school queens.

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Speaker 3: We'll take you for a ride. And our comic girl

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Speaker 3: cheering for the right teams Drama Queens, Draise my girl,

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Speaker 3: up girl fashion with your tough girl.

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Speaker 1: You could sit with us.

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Speaker 4: Girl Drama Queens, Drama Queens Drama Queens, Drama Drama Queens

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